1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:05,900 This is BBC One. The last program in the prison 2 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:10,500 series of it's a square world is tomorrow night at 7:25. 3 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:50,800 Hello and welcome to game pod. This is a very difficult time 4 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:57,000 for me, really know how to say it, but I'm actually on a diet. 5 00:00:57,900 --> 00:01:03,200 So, you know, no sweets, no chocolate, no crisps, no pies, 6 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:04,500 no booze. Choose. 7 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,900 And I'm not touchy at all. Fine. 8 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:16,300 This week's guest, I'm very fortunate to welcome back tilt 9 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:20,900 eraser until tonight talked about Michael Benton and more 10 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:26,100 specifically his groundbreaking television show from the 1960s. 11 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,700 It's a square World. Hope you enjoy it. 12 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,000 Thank you for inviting me back obviously. 13 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,200 I didn't dirty me. Ticket last time. 14 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:38,600 You and a friend. Gary introduced me to The world 15 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,700 of podcasts basically. Yes, yes. 16 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:46,800 And burned and already around somebody who has a tenuous 17 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,300 connection, I think you made a suggestion that was a jerk but 18 00:01:51,300 --> 00:01:53,300 it's to me. It just sounded like a really 19 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:55,100 good idea. Hmm. 20 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:02,800 And so we talked about the the police career of Dev Lodge we 21 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,800 did in the film. Yeah and the podcast you talking 22 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,800 about this Jaffa cakes for proust which was a sister 23 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,600 podcast? Is the sitcom Club? 24 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:19,400 Yes, it was it was it's that sort of my Podcast as opposed to 25 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,600 the sitcom called being more, Gary's podcast and in that I 26 00:02:24,608 --> 00:02:27,300 just kept coming up the times. When I just I just wanted to 27 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:32,200 talk about something that wasn't a sitcom and give it that give 28 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,800 you that titles that sort. So that you know, it's like 29 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,400 we're not we're not being ambitious here. 30 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,200 We're not What trying to ingratiate ourselves here. 31 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,100 Let's have a title that's difficult to associate. 32 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:48,600 Well, I'd listen to the sitcom club and you'd regularly be 33 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,400 dragging Gary towards uh no topics such as budgie. 34 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,200 Yes. What's the, what's the idea of 35 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,400 got completely gone down it with knockout? 36 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,700 I know Kalin. No, the the one with in 37 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:06,500 Cuthbertson slipped my mind. Oh Charles endless choir, 38 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:08,700 Charles endless choir. Yeah. 39 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,600 And Gary would just be wanting to talk about the whackers and 40 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,900 you'd be. You'd be trying to steer him in 41 00:03:13,908 --> 00:03:17,700 this direction. Yeah, be cut because there's a 42 00:03:17,708 --> 00:03:22,800 lot of connections between all forms of all forms of media, but 43 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,300 certainly within British television, There weren't really 44 00:03:28,300 --> 00:03:33,400 comedy actors and dorm actors, even, you know, even today hmm 45 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,900 But British sitcom actors, you know, tend to be like prodigies 46 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:40,700 of John little wooden things like that. 47 00:03:41,700 --> 00:03:45,400 No famously, because youth of Joyce and Brian Murphy indeed. 48 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,000 Yes. Yeah, and the second Club is 49 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,500 kind of been on and off in the last couple of years but you've 50 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:58,600 got a new strand launching early next year. 51 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,600 We've done a pilot already, it's called Baal ride up with where 52 00:04:04,900 --> 00:04:11,400 and that was not the title I wanted but Gary felt the title I 53 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:16,800 I wanted might cause us to get like not not help not hosted on 54 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:22,300 certain sites or at least have some sort of like explicit tag 55 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:26,800 put on us and it's all about. Are You Being Served? 56 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,300 What was the title that you wanted Pussy Riot? 57 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:35,600 It might have got the wrong sort of listeners, who knows. 58 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:41,100 Well in my view, probably Russian Punk fans talking about 59 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:45,700 our band and I can I mention the Christmas carol? 60 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,200 Oh yes. Yes. 61 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,600 I was told I was going to try and do one quick, one podcast a 62 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,600 month about different versions of A Christmas. 63 00:04:54,600 --> 00:05:04,200 Carol and one thing and another I've got two recorded that I had 64 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,700 still haven't edited. It's the editing that's really 65 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,800 become the problem for me. I kind of got The Yips. 66 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,600 When editing for like 25 years and then now it's just like 67 00:05:16,100 --> 00:05:18,900 except across the wrist. There is one thing I do, wet it 68 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,400 with ease but that's partially because it's not my voice on it 69 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,800 and I don't have to relive my mistakes. 70 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,600 That's the history of rock, music and 500 songs edit and 71 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,900 co-produced. I don't know why I got a couple 72 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:36,800 duction credit. I do make very, very small 73 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:44,000 contributions sometimes to content, but only like 74 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:47,000 occasionally, I will, I will submit Corrections and 75 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,100 occasionally, my corrections will be incorrect. 76 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:55,100 So like I said, yeah, 500 songs is hosted by bye. 77 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:57,900 Andrew hickey hosted written research. 78 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Yeah, but you through tossing, the odd Van Dyke Parks fact now 79 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,800 and then I get I did, I did I think I think I made more 80 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:11,800 contribution to the heroes and villains episode because there 81 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:17,100 were a couple of things. I'm actually find a review of a 82 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:21,400 live performance by Van Dyke Parks, short-lived band, The Van 83 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:27,100 Dyke Parks, right? And we should Stephen Stills and 84 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:30,600 things like that. Yeah, this is the thing is that 85 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,200 listeners won't know. Because you and I and an Andrew 86 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,600 and Gary, we regular weekly we speak, don't we? 87 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:42,400 Yes, it's almost without exception, they'll always be at 88 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,200 least one mention of Van Dyke Parks because he gets around and 89 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,000 he always did get around. He's I think he said himself, he 90 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,300 what, right, not to work if we because people wouldn't believe 91 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:55,500 it. In fact, act that actually makes 92 00:06:55,500 --> 00:07:01,400 a nice segue to our main topic because Michael benteen had one 93 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:07,500 of those lives where he kept in countering famous people. 94 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,200 As I said, sometimes claimed, mmm. 95 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,400 My famous people. I'm not saying he was a liar, 96 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,200 but he just, he did enjoy spending a good yet. 97 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,700 There was something about, like, a nuclear scientist, who 98 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:29,600 defected started, pretending that he'd known him and got his 99 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,800 name wrong and said I'll, yes, but he, let me call him just 100 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,700 said we're talking today about as tall. 101 00:07:36,700 --> 00:07:38,500 Super talking about Michael been two or more. 102 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:43,300 For they were talking about its Square World, which was the the 103 00:07:43,308 --> 00:07:49,900 BBC comedy series, which ran from 1960 to 1964 and through, 104 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,600 with both watched a handful of episodes of that. 105 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,200 We've got stuff to say about that. 106 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,000 But I wanted to kick off by just talk because it is like you say 107 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,200 me Michael benteen lived, a very colorful life. 108 00:08:02,300 --> 00:08:04,000 Should we say? And, and you and I have both 109 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,000 been Dare I say boning up on Banting. 110 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:11,400 So I think I am. I bought the copy of his 111 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,500 autobiography and it arrived. I opened it and it was signed. 112 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:17,800 Absolutely. Yeah. 113 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:22,200 Do you think he's from? I mean, he died. 25 years ago. 114 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,900 26 years ago? Do you think? 115 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:27,400 He's, well, he passed through now. 116 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:29,000 True. What is Darryl? 117 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,600 But do you think he's remembered much? 118 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,500 If at all these days, Yeah, I think he is unfairly forgotten. 119 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:42,200 Mmm, but one thing that we found when we were watching these 120 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:48,900 shows together was I mean, it's that terrible word deities that 121 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:52,900 people use to freely. Hmm. 122 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:58,800 But I think what it is is that I can't. 123 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,300 I haven't mentioned TV Tropes, I know a lot of people don't like 124 00:09:01,300 --> 00:09:05,000 TV Tropes but I find occasionally there are Concepts 125 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,700 on there that Focus my mind wonderfully they have one called 126 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:14,400 Seinfeld is unfunny and they talk about that as in a tendency 127 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,700 for younger people to hear all this. 128 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,200 Glowing, praise around Seinfeld watching it and finding, it 129 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,800 doesn't really seem all that big. 130 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:27,600 It's like, yes. But at the time it seems I'm 131 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:33,100 funny because there are things that have come in its wake So 132 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:36,800 it's so some of its Innovations. Now seem commonplace and I think 133 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,000 we found that with it's a square world. 134 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,600 It seemed a little bit tame. This is it. 135 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,400 London entertains. Is that the yes thing with the 136 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,200 girls who are being shown around London? 137 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:55,300 And they meet the, which producer is it the meat? 138 00:09:56,300 --> 00:09:58,500 Well, Dennis Main Wilson, I think, right? 139 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:00,400 Yeah. And it's like what they say? 140 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,300 What is it going said? Well, the goons are absolutely 141 00:10:02,300 --> 00:10:07,200 crazy, but they're the stars of the show as if like crazy 142 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,400 people. Yeah, being starts of the Is 143 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:16,200 somehow wild a new tray because we've got a much higher 144 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,200 tolerance for televisual and media chaos. 145 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,900 Mmm-hmm, and then, and I think there's some of that, is it 146 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:29,800 working? It's a square world and yet. 147 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:33,600 It's a square world. You look at it and it's like 148 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,000 there's a lot of python. There's a lot of prefiguring, a 149 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,600 python. Yeah, python, it's a square 150 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,200 World. Plus Q equals python because 151 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,300 there is a certain sense of structure, a certain sense of 152 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:54,900 making fun of the media with the media's own language in, it's a 153 00:10:54,900 --> 00:10:59,800 square world. well yeah and it never gets talked about Q's 154 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,500 Cuba's the program, that's always cited, isn't it as being 155 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:07,800 the one that Palin and Jones found each other or whatever and 156 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,400 say, yes, he's got there before us, but they never mention 157 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,700 Square World. Never really gets mentioned, and 158 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,700 it was quite striking watching these shows how how they say, he 159 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:20,200 sort of prefigured. Yeah, I tell you the ones, the 160 00:11:20,208 --> 00:11:24,300 one that strikes me as being very Square world is python 161 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:26,500 sketch. The funniest joke in the world 162 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,100 because it's, it's a silly idea but that sketch really 163 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:38,400 thoroughly explores the internal logic Fit, you know, couple of 164 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,800 men translated to words and had to be taken to hospital. 165 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,000 Did that kind of thing? Yes. 166 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,100 Well, the thing is getting better, Dennis made Wilson. 167 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,700 He was quote, he said about Michael Banting. 168 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:56,200 He said, that while Spike Milligan was the abstract 169 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,000 thinking, Michael benteen was a superb technician. 170 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:01,800 Yeah. And and like you say benteen 171 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,700 wanted to explore the internal logic of silly. 172 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,400 Here in spite just through gags out machine gun fire. 173 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Well, here we are at Doonesbury manner, traditional home of Lord 174 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,300 noshing and I think you will agree with me when I say that 175 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:21,200 this beautiful home, a positively reeks of history. 176 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:24,300 And I think that is a magnificent gesture to the 177 00:12:24,300 --> 00:12:26,500 nation at the Olympic Training teams. 178 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:30,200 Have been given the opportunity at a train in these Bonza. 179 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:34,900 A surroundings allured noshing, what inspired? 180 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,100 To offer your grounds for Olympic training purposes. 181 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:57,000 Well, I are The Duchess then we'll have to do. 182 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:14,400 Yes. Well all I can say is that she's 183 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,100 apples Bonza and extra Grouse and the Down Under we would say 184 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:20,700 of you are you're a real beaut to Camp. 185 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,600 I'm talking about, let me start talking a square Road in a bed. 186 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,300 I'd like to talk about Benton's Life Touch on some of the 187 00:13:32,308 --> 00:13:35,900 highlights because he is a Fascinating man. 188 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,900 But he was he was born in 1922 and his father was a Peruvian 189 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:43,600 aeronautical engineer. His mother was the daughter of a 190 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,200 Southend waterboard middle manager and I couldn't I 191 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,400 couldn't get any more information about this but I 192 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:55,100 read something that said that his paternal grandfather had 193 00:13:55,100 --> 00:14:00,200 nearly been made president of Peru but president-elect when he 194 00:14:00,208 --> 00:14:01,700 died. Yes right. 195 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:03,100 What do we know what happened there? 196 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:06,800 Then? Well, he died. 197 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,700 Yeah, I don't think there was a suggestion of Foul Play Because 198 00:14:13,700 --> 00:14:19,700 the word the were attempts on his family's life or couple of 199 00:14:19,708 --> 00:14:22,300 occasions where I've been teen's. 200 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:29,300 Father was nearly killed as a child and his uncle managed to 201 00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:33,900 see off the would-be Assassins with a revolver fire. 202 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,500 Which might explain why. Because the, on the film The 203 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:43,900 Sandwich, Man. Have you done that one yet? 204 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,100 Well, don't think I need to do that. 205 00:14:46,100 --> 00:14:50,800 When you guys have covered that one that's true on the 206 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,500 commentary track. The director says, Michael 207 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:57,800 painting is very right-wing. You liked guns. 208 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:08,100 And you think well, do you know if if your uncle seen off that's 209 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:11,800 s alleged attempted robber, fly, maybe do grow up with a van, but 210 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,000 he was a bit was pretty handy with a gun himself, wasn't it? 211 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,900 Because he, he could split a playing card from Twenty Paces 212 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:21,800 with a pistol, right? So the story goes, he was a he 213 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,100 was an accomplished swordsman as well and he was into archery. 214 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:29,500 Was a he was a yachtsman, he flew aircraft. 215 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:32,700 He was very very He's one of those I suppose you want your 216 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:36,600 call was like an adventurer because he went, he took part in 217 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,300 a hovercraft Expedition up the amazon. 218 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,200 Hmm. So he he had this. 219 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,800 This real Affliction didn't happen till up until the age of 220 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,200 16 where he effectively couldn't speak. 221 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:55,200 Yes, he'd had his tonsils out and the surgeon was drunk. 222 00:15:55,900 --> 00:16:01,300 The operation was conducted in the bent eat the Benton's 223 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:04,600 because that's the that's just both know, the bensons kitchen. 224 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:09,100 Hmm. And he was just put under with 225 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:13,400 ether and apparently the surgeon managed to take out the tonsils 226 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:18,500 and a big chunk of benteen's nasal pharynx. 227 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:20,400 Yeah. Ouch. 228 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:24,300 Yeah, this is one of the things he because I've been to your 229 00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:28,500 cost very much a believer in the Paranormal and say, Psychics and 230 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:36,300 things like that and said that. Psychic medium had told his 231 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:41,100 parents that he would be. A very successful actor. 232 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:44,400 This was a time when he could barely speak. 233 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,500 It's the ridiculous prediction. Mmm. 234 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:52,700 And was it eating, but I can't remember the name of the teeth 235 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:54,000 with those. There was somebody there who 236 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,700 basically said that this this, you know, this was curable. 237 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,000 Yeah. There was a, there was a guy 238 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,500 with a speech therapist called Harry Burgess. 239 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:05,700 Who helps the phrase with a bouncing at Rotten Rhythm and a 240 00:17:05,700 --> 00:17:09,200 run? Well, he had to, he taught him 241 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,599 to see it. Start at the beginning of every 242 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:13,800 sin. Chance to start to go. 243 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:20,200 Mmm. Yeah before speaking and and so 244 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,599 he managed to more or less make himself, you know, communicate 245 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:26,300 with people, by doing it at the beginning of each sentence in 246 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:29,200 the film. The King's Speech years ago. 247 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:33,400 Years ago is that he didn't actually saw that at the cinema 248 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,200 on Christmas day over here because Cinemas are open on 249 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,600 Christmas Day. There's a bit where Oh, by the 250 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,000 way, the folks in case you don't know, tilts in the USA. 251 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,500 Yes, Orange County, California. Mmm. 252 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,800 If, you know Cinderella's castle in Disneyland, I live in there, 253 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,400 like to get, put my head out, the window, spit on the 254 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,700 tourists. That's a good day. 255 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,300 Don't want to know I do on a bad day. 256 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:08,900 Anyway there's a trick that Lionel Logue teachers George the 257 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:12,700 six right before certain sounds to go. 258 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,800 Ah and once you know that that's something he does you can you 259 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,900 can then hear it in George the six speech. 260 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:28,600 I think it's some I don't know if it's particular to English. 261 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,100 It's quite a lot of languages. Don't like starting with a 262 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:38,700 cluster of consonants. So for instance, because I speak 263 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:43,000 a little bit, a little tiny, don't buckle muy muy Poquito 264 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,700 again, you'll sorry. I used the wrong word, their 265 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,000 little bit of Spanish. I did, I did study. 266 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,100 I did actually take Spanish lessons for a bit with a teacher 267 00:18:55,100 --> 00:19:00,500 from Valencia and he was frowning one time I thought I 268 00:19:00,508 --> 00:19:04,700 was doing right and he said, you know, no you getting it, right? 269 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:06,500 But you have a Mexican accent. Aunt. 270 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:13,100 Which as I was taking, as I was taking Spanish because they 271 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:16,800 found that I was beginning to pick up some of the jokes in 272 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:18,900 trouble. They launcher, which I was just 273 00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:23,300 watching for the slapstick. So Mexican comedy about an eight 274 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:25,200 year. Old boy played by a 40 year old 275 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:31,400 man. I had a point to make, right? 276 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,600 So yes, just the clusters of consonants Spanish, doesn't like 277 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,900 approaching a cluster of consonants without having a 278 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:43,500 vowel to guide you in so, you know, their analysis stereo, 279 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:46,100 it's stereo. Yeah, okay, stupid? 280 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:48,900 Oh yeah. And so there's this. 281 00:19:48,900 --> 00:19:52,000 Yes, there's an element of finding a sound to get you into 282 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,700 a sound. Yeah, and so this is how he 283 00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:58,300 managed to get out to overcome as stem are. 284 00:19:58,300 --> 00:20:02,200 And then he managed to phase out that mmmm at the beginning of 285 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,900 each sentence, and then you dirty rat. 286 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:12,300 He just spoke English. He spoke Spanish fluent, Spanish 287 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:17,000 and French. I do like the bit where, you 288 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,700 know, when he was arrested for desertion. 289 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,700 Hmm, he tried to sign up. The second pot warm was told he 290 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:27,400 was To Farhan. His father was proof. 291 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,600 He and that's this. This was not stand and then some 292 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:39,500 other parts of the organization and its it's that goon thing, 293 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:43,200 isn't it? Of the preposterousness of 294 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,000 society that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand 295 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,900 is doing. So, yes, he was then also he was 296 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:52,500 signed up without his knowledge and was arrested. 297 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:58,800 Coming off the church during a stage performance, was the first 298 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,600 Soldier rest of the way doublet and hose 400 years. 299 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:02,700 Mmm. Yeah. 300 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:04,800 Because we're working with Robert Atkins. 301 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,900 That is open air theater in Regent's Park at the time. 302 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,500 And he had the Peruvian ambassador. 303 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,600 Brought into the issue. It's got to her his Godfather 304 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,900 indeed, but I do like the bit where he mentions were the 305 00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:23,700 proving an ambassador comes to a seven doors miguelito que paso. 306 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:33,300 Which is Mickey what happened? It took me 14 volunteering to 307 00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:36,400 get into the rare and I only finally got in because I was 308 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,100 arrested as a dessert. I don't know. 309 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:40,600 Tell us about that because you actually taken off a steed. 310 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,900 But it was very strange because I hadn't been in and I've been 311 00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:47,100 trying to get in ever since 39th. 312 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:51,200 Only, my brother was in the AJC, honourable artillery company and 313 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,700 his just about to go on stage and me, doublet knows where is 314 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:57,200 she Spear Shakespeare. Yes, I was playing Lorenzo in 315 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,600 The Merchant of Venice and it's just the flat-out came in and he 316 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,000 said to make will be in Teen Titans. 317 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,700 Yes. Thinking Court last year, the 318 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:11,300 great wonderful you should do your 65 days adrift awl your 319 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,800 deserter and Robert said, how can we be of the surgery, trying 320 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:15,700 to get him? The Aria. 321 00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:18,600 I'm trying to get out and then they said he said, take your 322 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,300 sword Freddy make yourself a Mischief Tin Soldier. 323 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,000 Yeah he met he eventually managed to join the breath. 324 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:26,400 Did he join? Bomber command? 325 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:33,800 Well, I mean, he's he He never got to be a pilot. 326 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,500 He wanted to be a pilot and of course they were giving the 327 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,600 typhoid. Oh, yes, yes. 328 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,500 Yes, the typhoid vaccine and they ran out, and they got some 329 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:47,800 more except they didn't get some odd. 330 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:54,700 They got some typhoid, the guy in front of him died, and he 331 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:56,900 ended up being hospitalized for quite some time. 332 00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:00,300 Had a near-death experience, came around, and his eyes were 333 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:04,400 shot, so he Ended up in intelligence. 334 00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:08,200 That's right. Am I am I 9, how are you? 335 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,700 Yes. And now you said that I can sit 336 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,500 just double check. Which one am I 9 was? 337 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:21,200 Because you had during the war during the war. 338 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,500 There was an MI everything to quote, a, my is an 339 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:27,600 ever-increasing circles Military Intelligence. 340 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,000 Isn't it Mi? So, yes. 341 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,400 But I think the thing is, is that I think the five and six 342 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:38,900 had existed, when there was no one, two, three, and four, Oh, 343 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:42,800 is that right? So many was greatly expanded for 344 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,800 the war. So you man Cummings or coming. 345 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,300 Remember the guy who set up and feel Smith Cummings? 346 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,000 Yeah, see he said he would be. He was MI6. 347 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,200 Yes. Am I not a oh yes oh my name was 348 00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:02,700 assisting prisoners of war and downed Man Behind Enemy Lines. 349 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,600 Oh and resistance are supporting resistance movements weren't 350 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,900 they? and of course, there's another 351 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:16,600 thing with it's a thing that it's a very dark topic to 352 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,700 mention but it's the thing that interests me benteen was 353 00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:29,000 involved in some level in The Liberation of belsen and to 354 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,900 others who ended up seeing the inside of belsen that but purely 355 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:37,300 by accident we're Denis Norden and Eric Sykes. 356 00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:41,400 Yes, indeed. They were putting on a show, 357 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,100 didn't have enough lights and somebody said there's a camp up 358 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,100 the road of some sort. Mmm. 359 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:52,100 And that's when he went in. And, you know, and it Now, let's 360 00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:57,600 quarter of the 20th century. there was that you know sort of 361 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:05,600 post-punk sneering at certain kinds of gentle corny comedy but 362 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,100 I think it it makes sense. When you seen something like 363 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:16,100 that, the he would start to cleave towards. 364 00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:23,000 A certain reassuring tone, mmm-hmm Eric Sykes. 365 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000 And then it's not, there's nothing angry really in there. 366 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,100 Comedy, there's nothing really angry and then teens comedy. 367 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:36,000 There is no, which is possibly one of the things also that I 368 00:25:36,008 --> 00:25:39,300 think kind of distinguishes him from spike is, I think there is 369 00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:47,900 There is some anger in Spike. Oh yeah. but benteen is, More of 370 00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:53,700 an establishment figure. I think, I think it's when it's 371 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:55,600 a billing for the first crazy people. 372 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,000 The radio time set, sees fit to mention that Banting went to eat 373 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,100 and as if that makes it all right? 374 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,000 Don't worry, Somebody went to the right School. 375 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:10,400 Do you think that that's some of the tension between 19 and Spike 376 00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:14,600 was down to Milligan having a bit of an inferiority complex 377 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,300 and feeling? You know, I wouldn't like to 378 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:25,700 psychoanalyze spike like that. I don't think I have any 379 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:28,600 particular insights. Okay. 380 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,600 I can't I get the feeling that probably any given day. 381 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,600 He might suddenly develop an inferiority complex compared to 382 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,500 anybody. I said that that that anger can 383 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,500 that kind of anger can suddenly attach itself to the wrong. 384 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,100 Target. But I can see someone go 385 00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:53,800 brilliant. A brilliant mind Mike Milligan 386 00:26:54,900 --> 00:27:00,100 could see this slightly dandified character in benteen 387 00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,100 whose what we would call a suppose a renaissance man. 388 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,100 Yes. And and the thing that interests 389 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:12,300 me and he I've mentioned last time is that You see those 390 00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:15,300 pictures of them wear their hair is all messed up and they're all 391 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:21,200 pulling their funny expressions and then you see pictures of 392 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,400 them where they've you know, they've come their hair back and 393 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:29,000 benteen hasn't been T. Couldn't he says in his 394 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,100 autobiography that it was kind of like permanent makeup. 395 00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:35,000 He thought that he you know, because he had here. 396 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:39,700 Being a solo stage performer after the war and before the 397 00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:40,900 goons. Yeah. 398 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,500 And he'd cultivated this kind of mad scientist persona, but, 399 00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:51,600 yeah, his hair is His hair is all over the place and he had 400 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,500 Van Dyke beard at a time. When that would sort of where he 401 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,100 mentions having problems with US Customs. 402 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,500 Yes, you can say, love to be a fly on the wall in 1951 or 403 00:28:01,508 --> 00:28:03,600 whatever it was he when he first went over there. 404 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,700 Looking like this Anarchist. Yes. 405 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,900 Well, that's what did he was asked like what are your 406 00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:12,800 political views? And he said, I don't really have 407 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:20,400 any so you're an anarchist nice, conservative, liberalism I guess 408 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:23,400 we've gone over that once, but it's worth mentioning, then this 409 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:30,300 situation again, this ridiculous institutional Madness, that 410 00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:34,200 won't let him join the forces and then finds him guilty of 411 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,800 desertion. Mmm. 412 00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:40,800 So he sees his Madness but he can call the Peruvian ambassador 413 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,100 to speak for him. So there is also a certain 414 00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:52,600 Institutional advantage that the frizzed is these days. 415 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,800 Check your privilege. Because we all of us, we all of 416 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,800 us have personal disadvantages and advantages and 417 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,300 institutional, disadvantages and advantages. 418 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:05,800 And it's very difficult to really see, which is which 419 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:12,400 sometimes He never you never get the impression that he I mean, 420 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,200 he had it headed, very tragic life in many, many ways in terms 421 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,900 of his family and that, well, the first 16 years of his life, 422 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:23,100 he couldn't speak and you know he had a lot of things went on 423 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:26,800 in his life that to anyone else would be, you know, harrowing. 424 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,300 But he seemed he was here. He did have a slight, he comes 425 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:34,700 across as a sort of a Pollyanna character and this the whole or 426 00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:38,300 think it is, Femme be conducting psychic research. 427 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,700 And then being satisfied. That it is correct. 428 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:49,800 That there is something behind the veil. 429 00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:54,400 And so, yeah, I was, I wasn't asleep on, you know, but there's 430 00:29:54,400 --> 00:30:01,100 an optimism to his view because he knows deep down, That it's 431 00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:03,200 all for the best it will all work out. 432 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,400 He had what three near-death experiences. 433 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:12,400 Hmm, two of which saw him suspended in unbelievable, 434 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,500 light. And one in velvet Darkness from 435 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:23,700 complete, peace. And so yes, that will take away 436 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:30,900 still some of the edge if you If you're of the mind that nearly 437 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:34,300 everybody goes to heaven. Yeah I don't want to dwell on 438 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:37,900 this but it's worth touching on the fact that three of his 439 00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:42,600 children died in his lifetime. It's so his son. 440 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:49,500 Son Stewart was killed in a light aircraft accident in 1971 441 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,200 and and benteen later claimed that he had had a premonition of 442 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,800 this accident. Like 12 weeks earlier. 443 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,600 I need wounded. Some that is some didn't listen 444 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,800 to him and then he claims that he was visited in his garden. 445 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:09,600 I Stewart the year after he died and was quite at peace with 446 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,100 that. So, yeah. 447 00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,800 And then is to make two of his daughters, then died of cancer 448 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,500 in the 80s and but he seemed too. 449 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,700 He just seemed to make the best of it if they exist, if that's 450 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:29,000 the best phrase. Mmm, it was like conversation 451 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:36,800 that I had with Dirk maggs several months ago where where 452 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,600 he's making at last to go on show, the Goon show documentary 453 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,700 for the 40th anniversary, Eddie interviews Milligan cecum and 454 00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:49,700 Banting. And at one point He suggests to 455 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,200 To them all individually that possibly they could do what he 456 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,400 was doing with flywheel shyster. Inflow World bringing back the 457 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,100 Marx Brothers on the radio and and He suggests two or three of 458 00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:06,200 them that perhaps they could do the you know perhaps I could 459 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,200 resurrect some old old goon show scripts that had been. 460 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,000 You know the show is no no longer exists and restage them 461 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:20,200 for the radio and And I think seek Him was more or less open 462 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,100 to it, Milligan more or less against it and benteen wanted 463 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:29,000 time to think about it and then he he phoned Dirk couple of days 464 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,800 later and said actually I don't think it's a good idea. 465 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:35,600 I was talking to Peter and he said we shouldn't do it. 466 00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:40,000 Yes. And of course when we were 467 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,300 preparing for this, I told you, I said I've had a word with my 468 00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:51,000 corn. What's your earliest memory of 469 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,900 venting? Can you can you remember 470 00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,600 probably I would have probably grown up watching potty time, 471 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,900 right? I do remember when they started 472 00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:05,600 sort of repeating some old, maybe they hadn't started 473 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,500 repeating images. Started listening to doing shows 474 00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:12,600 in the 80s and my parents showed up sort of talking about benteen 475 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,900 and them trying to work out if he was one of the ones we were 476 00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:19,000 hearing, I truly think about where I was trying to work out 477 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000 who was doing the voice of Wallace greenslade demon talk a 478 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,800 because obviously, what is greenslade is a comedy near? 479 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:34,300 Yeah, I used to think I used to think I've been, I've got this 480 00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:37,800 feeling that I've got this feeling that I have that I did 481 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,100 see potty time when I was very young because it just seemed so 482 00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:43,600 familiar, but I don't know if that's kind of a false memory. 483 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:46,500 You know what I mean? I don't know. 484 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,500 Yeah, I don't know. I certainly remember the first 485 00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:55,800 time I remember seeing Michael benteen for sure. 486 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,100 For definite was again. I've said this before, on this, 487 00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:05,200 on this podcast, tvnz, kids show kids series called. 488 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,900 Well, I thought it was called Terry in the Gun Runner's 489 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,000 because that was the original graphic novel title. 490 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,900 But it was I think the TV series was called Terry t0 and Michael. 491 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,500 Panting pops up. And it says, I think this from 492 00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:19,900 85, Michael benteen is one of the central characters in that 493 00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:25,199 playing a villain called Ray Vegas cigar-chomping. 494 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,000 You know, Panama white kind of my hat will rest of it and, and 495 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,300 that was the first time I'd ever heard of Michael benteen, or was 496 00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:40,300 aware of Michael been to Vegas. Doesn't look too pleased, but 497 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:50,000 try and look as if you've got a few clothes, will you You two 498 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,600 Geniuses, never considered that the stuff that you're carrying. 499 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,000 Their, he's very dedicated, very delicate, indeed. 500 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,100 One, good job like that. And the horror of could go 501 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:05,900 kapow, even now find that quite surprised cut and glad of it. 502 00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:09,700 But there's some find it quite surprised casting because he 503 00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:11,600 didn't do a lot, really. If you think about it, he didn't 504 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,800 do a lot. He was very busy in the 60s 505 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:19,400 sense. of television and radio and what not, he doesn't do a 506 00:35:19,408 --> 00:35:27,200 lot really after the 70s, does he know, Have you discussed, 507 00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:31,600 Here Comes Channel, 8, on the show yet all of forgotten about 508 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,900 that, if that's an, that's an interesting comparison, because 509 00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:39,200 that's, I mean, it's less purely benteen, but it's interesting to 510 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:45,800 look at it's a little less. Pulling its punches in terms of 511 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,100 pace than it's a square world. Mmm. 512 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,000 So like I said that, That quality that it's a square world 513 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,800 can sometimes have of being just a little bit too tame. 514 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,400 If it's just never stop making it a square world that tone I 515 00:36:06,408 --> 00:36:08,500 think would have evolved in evolved, and evolved and kept 516 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:10,800 pace. What part did you play in the 517 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,200 third world war? Lord, second trumpet. 518 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:16,100 I couldn't get the case open. It was over. 519 00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:18,500 And that time, well went. Yeah. 520 00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:27,900 Yes, live to 100 water. Water water. 521 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:29,400 Yes. Dare one ask. 522 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,400 Why water? I'll never touch it. 523 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,700 Never touch more. No, no. 524 00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:37,900 And that you feel is actually contributing factor. 525 00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:42,500 Yes, yes, yes. That and rocks rocks. 526 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,300 Yes. I've avoided if people are rocks 527 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:49,100 and boredom you know I'll find you live longer without been 528 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,200 built with rocks. True. 529 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,600 Just as it is absolutely true. What are your plans for the 530 00:36:54,607 --> 00:36:58,300 future? I hope to live long enough to 531 00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:02,000 see this interview through. Yeah. 532 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,000 Cousin you know another another influence that It's a square 533 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,300 world. I think must have had is in some 534 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:11,900 of the early series. One of the cast members was 535 00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:12,800 Ronnie. Barker. 536 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:17,500 Yes. And those standing at the desk 537 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:23,300 saying good evening and again it's exploring the internal 538 00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:27,500 logic of a silly idea, it is absolutely when we were watching 539 00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:30,600 the, we watched what 45? Yeah, shows. 540 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,300 And yeah there was there was a couple of occasions where I said 541 00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:36,700 to you, Or we both said to each other. 542 00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,700 That's, that is one of those Ronnie Barker sketches from The 543 00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:41,600 Two Ronnies. Yeah, because, yeah, there's 544 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,900 quite a lot. Benteen is apart from the film 545 00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:51,100 sketches that end shows Ben 10 is kind of the straight man. 546 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:59,100 Yeah so he will he's behind a desk and he's definitely 547 00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:01,800 somebody who's interested in the latest developments in 548 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,500 technology and and it's developments in news. 549 00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:09,400 He's interested in like different National boundaries 550 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,800 and things like that. There's a certain ripped from 551 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:18,000 the headlines quality. and yeah, so there's quite a thing where 552 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:27,100 he'll say he will be there with the pointer and a diagram It 553 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,600 would be like some of those weren't Ibaka sketches, and also 554 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,800 the hill do occasionally run through silly new stories, which 555 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,000 is like the desk routines that begin and end The Two Ronnies. 556 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,700 Yeah, and I said, again, as I said to you, so obviously none 557 00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:45,200 of this was repeated at the time and City. 558 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:51,700 I wonder how much pilfering of ideas went on in the 50s late 559 00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:54,400 50s into the 60s in terms of sketch ideas. 560 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,100 And because obviously, you know, Once seen never seen again, 561 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,300 there's a sketch in one of the square ones that we watched 562 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:09,100 where there's a paint-by-numbers Mona Lisa and Spike Milligan 563 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,100 more or less copies, that idea for a queue. 564 00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:21,100 Yeah uh and I wondered whether because he's very his humor is a 565 00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:24,100 world away from Milligan's in many ways and I wondered whether 566 00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,600 because of the fact that he couldn't Speak until he was 16. 567 00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:32,800 That's why his humor is tends to be more visual than verbal was 568 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,500 like too much of a really good point. 569 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:38,400 Yes, no, that's an excellent point, it's not gag, it's not 570 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,000 punchline, comedy as it is, it's not just in terms of and I don't 571 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,300 know how much of a it's not necessarily. 572 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000 Maybe it was a conscious influence, I thought no, but the 573 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:52,400 film sketches at the end also have a certain resemblance to 574 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,100 some of the goodies. Hmm, things get you apply. 575 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:02,200 By an idea and then you sort of Chase it around a location. 576 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,800 I've just I want to talk about these things. 577 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,000 I tend to put them on the TV. And right now, the one I'm 578 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,900 looking at is basically like World War Two but being fought 579 00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:15,000 with music. Oh yes! 580 00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:20,600 Another a career that he could sell for sort of rescuing is the 581 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,600 Camry. Oh, go on to me about that nice. 582 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,800 It's just that you know dick Henry, what happened leaves? 583 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,200 And what hasn't been doing too? Well in a according to benteen 584 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,700 contemplated suicide. Really? 585 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,000 Yes, and he every credited benteen picking him to be in 586 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,900 square world as being a thing that sort of turned his career 587 00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:44,800 around. You must hurry to get, except 588 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,100 see him, a better memory. Is it key goons? 589 00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:51,000 Yeah. I mean, in some ways, then this 590 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,900 kind of makes the Spectra at this Feast that is Benny Hill, 591 00:40:53,900 --> 00:41:01,500 who's kind of like a lost non goon element to this, because 592 00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:05,500 it's, because Benny Hill in the sixth in the 50s and 60s when he 593 00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:09,600 was at the BBC. Hmm, he was famous for making 594 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,700 fun of Television, making fun for making fun of commercials. 595 00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,500 Which was seen as a bit. Yep. 596 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,000 And doing sketches, where he played every character, and 597 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,900 there's quite a lot of his sort of exploring, I mean one 598 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:29,100 sketches like taking a nursery rhyme and restaging it as 599 00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:31,400 different television formats. Mmm. 600 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,700 So it's like Bo Peep as an episode of z-cars. 601 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,200 Yeah, it's it's all interconnected. 602 00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:43,900 But the stuff that's this, you know, the stuff that people 603 00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:48,600 remember is this is the people who were sort of caught copying 604 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,600 those formats copying those I'd not copy but had been marinated. 605 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:57,300 Hmm in this comedy. Yeah, and so it just came out in 606 00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:01,200 their own Styles. I meant to ask you, sorry, just 607 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,300 just to go back a little bit when we were talking about his, 608 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,800 his big nose big hair and his beard and all the rest of it 609 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,000 back in the early 50s, don't know if you. 610 00:42:10,008 --> 00:42:12,900 And I have really ever set. The talked about down among the 611 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:15,200 z-man in terms of what you think the film. 612 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,400 What's your, what's your takeaway from that? 613 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,400 It's been a long time since I watched it but I did used to 614 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,500 watch it a lot. Hmm a lot and really yes I 615 00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:34,900 tipped it right off the TV at to the extent that even now I have 616 00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:37,900 to stop and remember that on the bun shop. 617 00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:40,000 Blood knock is a major, not a colonel. 618 00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:45,100 Mmm. Yeah, I just used to watch it 619 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:47,400 and watch it. Like, you know, what does is a 620 00:42:47,408 --> 00:42:50,100 child? It's not great, it's not 621 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:53,100 terrible. And there's some interesting 622 00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:57,200 stuff in it and Benton you could argues is the best thing in it. 623 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,300 I mean I don't think he is but I can see why some people might 624 00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,300 make that argument. He's the one who's acting the 625 00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:06,900 most like a goon. He's the one who is, you know, 626 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,200 is it's the one he couldn't really take and put in a 627 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,900 different situation and have him even Even Echols is relatively 628 00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:19,200 normal. Yeah, and that you could put 629 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,700 enemy blood, not studying blood, not really is, it's just like, 630 00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:26,100 plus, I'm sorry. Lee uniform is sellers, doing a 631 00:43:26,107 --> 00:43:30,600 slightly different voice that has yes, with a bit of pepper 632 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,100 and salt in his hair and, and the do it yourself. 633 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,400 Another thing that we watched together, but yourself cartoon 634 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,900 kids want to talk about that? No, okay. 635 00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:48,400 Like to Spring that on me. Well, and testing your metal 636 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,300 now. So yeah, I mean it's Bob 637 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:52,800 Godfrey. Mmm. 638 00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:56,600 Benton's just really doing the voice over internet. 639 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,400 I'm just going to have a look at Bob coffees Wikipedia page or my 640 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,200 tablet. See if he was anything to do 641 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,500 with biographic films, Who provided the animation for? 642 00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:08,500 It's just quite what cost ya again, when I'm talking about 643 00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:12,300 python influence, cause a lot of Animation is where world. 644 00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:16,000 Yes, there's a sketch because it, because one of the episode 645 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,700 was it was a compilation that was put together and submitted 646 00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:20,800 for the Montreux. Yes. 647 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,700 Now here's the thing, though. Apparently been team. 648 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,800 It's says that it's a square world was not well-liked. 649 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:35,000 Right? He says you Colton green had it 650 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:40,600 out for him. And when, when they Wonder want 651 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,500 roll Festival, he was invited up to a meeting handed glass of 652 00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:47,900 warm Champion. Told You've Won some sort of 653 00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:53,200 award, but he says that green and asked him to use it to 654 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,100 square world, to make fun of the conservative government. 655 00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:59,900 Oh, really? Okay, and that when benteen 656 00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:08,400 refused the knives were out. But there's the sketch where in 657 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,800 the Montreux show compilation, where we've got a singer, not 658 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,300 quite sure who the singer is, but a guy singing a song and you 659 00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:17,500 can see inside his head it's pretty much. 660 00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:20,500 It's animated because it's like the numbskulls. 661 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,900 Mmm. And which we establish the 662 00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:26,500 numbskulls had started before it's a square world but it is 663 00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:31,600 one of those ideas that isn't so devastating the original that we 664 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,500 can't. We can only assume that But 665 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:36,100 teams copying it. It's well, as it's been used for 666 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,100 a Pixar film inside out and yeah, it is. 667 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,700 This animation is like a steel industry chart with his 668 00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:09,400 animation like Wacky. Racers kind of Animation. 669 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,100 If you found anything about Bob Godfrey. 670 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,500 Bob Godfrey is credited to be part of the animation Department 671 00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:18,800 of, it's a square World on the IMDb, so it might even be true. 672 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,600 There we go. And of course, he also worked on 673 00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:25,300 son of Fred few years before. Hmm. 674 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,500 So there's that going connection just to talk about some of the 675 00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:33,100 people in some of the supporting cast. 676 00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:36,700 Just in its Square, was quite a quite, a long list, but some 677 00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:41,000 names that would go on to become more famous obviously. 678 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,200 Really Barker think Ronnie. Barker only turns up in two 679 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,100 episodes and he was in one of those that we want. 680 00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,700 Yeah, we only had I think about 6 to draw upon, it's got a 681 00:46:50,707 --> 00:46:55,800 pretty decent survival rate. It's right fifty Seven episodes 682 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,100 in total and I think 11 are lost, so it's not that's not a 683 00:47:00,107 --> 00:47:01,700 bad. Yeah, that's not bad. 684 00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:06,100 Dick Emery's you saved? But Bruce Lacey, Frank Thornton, 685 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,700 Derek guiler, certainly Garrett, guyler plays, a lot of mad 686 00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,200 scientist. Speaking of mad, scientists 687 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,100 course, we get. What? 688 00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:21,900 Might, well be a televisual first ad from December 31st, 689 00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:26,800 1963. I think the characters called 690 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,600 dr. Fathering Gail, some 691 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,300 farthingale, something like that. 692 00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:36,200 Mmm, but Clive done is wearing an approximation of the outfit 693 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,000 of the first doctor from Doctor Who. 694 00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:45,400 So 1963 is just leaving the calendar and we have, what is 695 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:52,000 probably the first Doctor Who parody news lately is the fact 696 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,100 that the British at last you're going to send a rocket Outer 697 00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:58,600 space. It is the txr to for which we 698 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,500 have a half-scale working working model in the studio 699 00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:05,000 tonight as you can see and the idea is to orbit around the 700 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,500 Earth and to gain momentum and then to shoot it off into orbit 701 00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:11,200 around the moon. And here to tell us something 702 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,300 about it. Tonight is a very distinguished 703 00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:16,300 member of the Irish interplanetary society and the 704 00:48:16,308 --> 00:48:19,400 British rocketry commission scaring have a word with him 705 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,900 before. Are my reading, dr. 706 00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:23,700 I wonder if I can wear with anything. 707 00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:30,300 Excuse me. But have I the honor of 708 00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:41,100 addressing down Doctor Who? No, not Doctor Who so it was 709 00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:42,500 around the Kennedy assassination. 710 00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:46,200 Time was Doctor Who started on the 23rd of November 1963, 711 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,700 right, there you go. And So within weeks, banty does 712 00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:53,000 noticed the show and it's obviously kind of thing that 713 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,300 appeals to him. Yes. 714 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,800 And of course, he was offered the part but turned it down 715 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,700 because he was told he wouldn't have time to be involved in the 716 00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:03,800 scripts. Yes, if that would have been 717 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,700 for, I think for the role that eventually went to hurt week on, 718 00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:10,900 but I've been with Tom back. A thank you because I think they 719 00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:15,500 asked everybody before they asked Tom Baker, but and my wife 720 00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:17,500 is not forgiving Tom Baker for say yes. 721 00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:22,100 Because if he had said, no, the next name on the list was full 722 00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:25,300 to Makai. I could see that. 723 00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:27,800 How would bent in if played the character? 724 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:33,100 Do you think if he had taken the role, I think I can see more or 725 00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:40,500 less playing himself really. With guns Doctor Who with guns. 726 00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:48,400 So does I think you sort of 80% himself? 727 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,600 Maybe 20% Professor Pure Heart. Mmm. 728 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,200 But there's this not really there's not really much you need 729 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,900 to do to develop a kink or a quark. 730 00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:03,800 This, he's got it. I can't I couldn't find the 731 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,500 quote again there was some there was some right up somewhere 732 00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:13,000 which describes him as having a laugh like a faulty boiler. 733 00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:21,100 So it's a the pilot of its Square world was added in in 734 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,600 Autumn 1960. And then the first series began 735 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:30,500 in only 61 and there's a writer but the radio times to accompany 736 00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:34,500 the first episode of the first series, which goes when Michael 737 00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:38,000 oblong, benteen first took the square World on his shoulders. 738 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,200 Last September, there is General trepidation with viewers, dare 739 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,200 to face up to such sights. How many could trust them? 740 00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:47,500 Themselves to look around the bend with benteen or up. 741 00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,800 The pole was Clive done these. Another well-known human beings. 742 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,700 Some of the biggest squares in the business were ready. 743 00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:56,700 Nay eager to transport us to another dimension, mad. 744 00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:01,100 Mad mad and bent his words and wait for missiles of Praise or 745 00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:04,300 blame and every shape from Square to Elliptical. 746 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,000 So you go, yes, nothing. It's Clive. 747 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,700 Does about that, those those what I've got to mention the 748 00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:15,200 Doctor Who figures played by Clive gone, You didn't mention 749 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,500 you did mention. He died. 750 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,800 Yep. And he's another one, like, 751 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,500 Derek gilo. I think you note. 752 00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:24,700 It takes a lot of the wacky characters. 753 00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:29,900 So the event like presented as interviews and painting is the 754 00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:33,100 interview in those interview sketches, the laugh lines, all 755 00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:35,900 go to the non benteen performer. Yeah. 756 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,000 Comes up with a lot of high concept ideas for sketches, but 757 00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:45,100 tends to struggle to pay them off, sometimes sometimes there 758 00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:51,200 be an entire sketch where the punchline is obvious from at 759 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,400 least halfway through, and then that's it. 760 00:51:53,400 --> 00:52:00,500 It's sort of its own all this effort for, A weak punch line. 761 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,600 Yeah, there's a sketch where he's an orthology ornithologist 762 00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:10,700 scaling. What looks like scaling down at, 763 00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:13,700 I'm sure it wasn't that scary done a proper Mountain face to 764 00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:20,100 locate this rare bird nest. There's a large egg in the nest 765 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,100 and then he gets a frying pan and he lights a fire and Fries. 766 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:31,000 There's egg and adjust the amount of effort to the costume 767 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,100 for the Aging of it. He's that he's looks like he's 768 00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:36,300 abseiling down a. Is this A rock face? 769 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,800 Just for that? Wait, you these days you could 770 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,700 have the best punch line in history and he wouldn't be able 771 00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:43,900 to have that much money spent on true. 772 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,500 A sketch show. True Peak television can go to 773 00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:52,300 hell with. We are very limited in a number 774 00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:58,600 of ways, in television these days, and It is even watching 775 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,700 old Morecambe and wise, it's like, wow. 776 00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:05,200 This bear had a whole like High Street sets that they put up. 777 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:11,000 Yeah, that joke for a quickie. What are the Doctor Who sketch 778 00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:13,800 today? I got a big ol years at me that 779 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,900 yes, there was a rocket. Yeah, maybe see, television 780 00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:22,200 Centre going into space. Which I don't know if that was 781 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,600 the one that resulted in the memo that Michael benteen 782 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,700 treasure. That said, BBC television Centre 783 00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:29,400 is not to be used for the purposes of entertainment. 784 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,000 Yes, he goes into space and Patrick Moore gets and what does 785 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,200 it? You did Sir, my Cameo appearance 786 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,600 by Wilfred Bramble. There is yes, that tall. 787 00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:45,700 It's not easily. Observable is the BBC, 788 00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:48,900 television Centre. And if you use a moderate power 789 00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:52,100 on a tree and refactor, you'll be able to see its form together 790 00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:54,100 with the mini lights associated with it. 791 00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:57,800 Very little is known. As yet about this interesting 792 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,900 body, it's believed to contain life of a kind, but whether this 793 00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:04,800 life is intelligent or not, is naturally quite another matter 794 00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:07,000 and there's a great deal of argument going on about at the 795 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,900 moment observations, because it's a square. 796 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,100 World when it gets, if it gets talked about these days there's 797 00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:18,500 a handful of sketches that people mention. 798 00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:21,900 There's that there's the famous Chinese junk sent up the Thames 799 00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:24,800 to attack the houses of Parliament. 800 00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:27,900 Yes, he seems. Particularly proud of that one. 801 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,300 He tells the story of meeting. Somebody who owned it, an 802 00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:34,800 authentic Chinese junk and he managed to hire it. 803 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,600 He got an agreement to hire it before he had an idea of what to 804 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,800 do with it. Alright. 805 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,000 Okay, so it hadn't been fully formed. 806 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:48,200 Then the idea was no, he was, he was just, he was on his butt and 807 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,400 saw this junk, inside of that mission to come aboard. 808 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,300 I'm find it was, it was, it was owned by an out-of-work actor 809 00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:02,400 who said that meant, he could hire it as long as you execute 810 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,300 to appear at the sketch, right? Okay. 811 00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:10,200 This is perfectly forever. And then the idea came later, 812 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,300 does he say that people kind of just let them get on with that? 813 00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:18,700 There's nobody really interfered know the police disease. 814 00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:22,500 He's, he said, he got the sense. That put that certain people 815 00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:25,000 were not going to point and say, look at the Chinese junk just in 816 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,500 case there were the only people, the only one who can see it. 817 00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:32,600 You don't want to point it out. Yeah, get that. 818 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:40,100 That's one thing. Because yes, we listened to A 819 00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:43,400 recording of an audience with Michael benteen. 820 00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:45,600 It was called the original goon. Yeah. 821 00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:48,700 And there are a couple of things where he's sort of, says only 822 00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:53,600 Britain so he had that again. There's that Does that warmth 823 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,900 towards? The country is not quite as 824 00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:02,800 despairing of it. No, he think, you know, he 825 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,000 thought it was wonderful that he was brought into the RAF because 826 00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:12,100 he had told the officer interviewing him, who had been, 827 00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:13,500 I think it's quite a famous cricketer. 828 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,800 He told the officer that he could bother China and five 829 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,100 times out of six, hmm. In his autobiography, is quite 830 00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:28,700 critical of the class system. so I think certainly through his 831 00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:33,500 childhood there was that slight feeling of other nurse that 832 00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:38,900 follows him around, so he There might be an affection towards 833 00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:42,100 Britain, but not, if it's heart starts to take itself, too, 834 00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:45,500 seriously, we've got of with we've talked a lot about 835 00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:50,300 denting, the man, not so much, I guess about it's a square world. 836 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,700 It's because a lot of the sketches are went to repetitive 837 00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:55,700 but a lot of them were just the one. 838 00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:58,800 I liked police and it wasn't because of its Outlook. 839 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,000 It was just again, a lot of effort for not much is there is 840 00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:06,300 a sketch taking plate and it seems to have what there's a 841 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,300 Sketch taking place in the gunsmiths. 842 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,400 Yes. Yes I need what it is is you 843 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,900 have all these rich people who are firing guns in all 844 00:57:13,900 --> 00:57:16,900 directions. Hmm. 845 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:22,100 And this, this man who just wants to buy some .22 caliber 846 00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:25,600 ammunition and has to fill out a bunch of forms because he's just 847 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,500 an ordinary jaw. And that's pretty much the point 848 00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:31,300 of the sketch. I'll look at these rich people. 849 00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:33,700 Mmm! I look at this poor blighter. 850 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,500 Switch to the 38 Smith & Wesson, police special with a 3 inch 851 00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:42,200 barrel. In order to inspire you, 852 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,100 But have we left some meat on the bone that we haven't? 853 00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:21,500 Yeah, I mean, I think know that yet, I think I think from the 854 00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:23,800 shows that we watched, there's not a lot more that we can say 855 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,600 at this stage, but I think that what we need to do is to 856 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,300 reconvene at a later date because there's a lot like a 857 00:58:30,308 --> 00:58:31,300 good idea. Yeah. 858 00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:35,100 I think there's a lot more about benteen and his is output that 859 00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:39,500 we can talk about maybe I can. His entire autobiography by that 860 00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:41,800 point. I'm a terribly slow reader but I 861 00:58:41,808 --> 00:58:43,600 wouldn't mind reading one of his because he wrote a couple of 862 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,700 novels, didn't he? Right? 863 00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:48,800 Yes, so I wouldn't mind. Perhaps reading one of his 864 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,100 novels, I'd like to watch some of the Bumble, he's like I have 865 00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:57,400 a couple of those. There's some audio that I'd like 866 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,300 to listen to as well. So I think we could, we could 867 00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:05,000 perhaps meet again next year and talk about more more been team, 868 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,800 excellent. Look forward to it, but just 869 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,700 before we wrap up, is there anything? 870 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,100 I mean, you've mentioned pussy, right? 871 00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:16,100 Not Pussy. Riot rides. 872 00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:20,300 They'll ride up with wear that with is, there is a see, there's 873 00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:24,800 already an eye being third podcast will wear of called that 874 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,200 does suit Madam. That's right there. 875 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,600 Do it. But that's was more. 876 00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,100 They were doing every single episode and it was more 877 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:39,500 reactions. Hmm, being to Americans. whereas 878 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,100 so we're more but we're going to do it series by theories rather 879 00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:49,800 than every individual episode and bring more of our Research 880 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,000 chops to Bear. Yeah, anything else coming up 881 00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:56,200 not that I can think. Okay. 882 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,800 I've got a bit of a flat brain, you know it's it's been a while 883 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,200 since I've taught this much where you're going to be rushing 884 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,100 out. Like, what? 885 01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:08,100 At least half a dozen Christmas? Carol, I'm either going to rush 886 01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:10,400 them out, or just going to resume again. 887 01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:15,700 Next July. It's oh, by the way, haven't 888 01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:17,700 decided yet. We forgot to tell the boys. 889 01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:21,000 And girls, I'm I was your first guest on that was not talking 890 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,700 about. Oh, yes, talking about a Muppet 891 01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:25,900 Christmas Carol, that is it, that is available for all to 892 01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:27,400 hear. All right? 893 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,000 So, tilt, this until it has been. 894 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,100 It has been a blast. We will get back together and 895 01:00:31,107 --> 01:00:34,700 talk about more benteen stuff at some point early next year. 896 01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:37,200 And until then farewell, take care. 897 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,100 Goodbye, thank you again to tilt. 898 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,900 Thanks for listening, if you haven't already, could you 899 01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:47,800 please rate and review on Apple, bod casts and next week? 900 01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:51,000 Are going to be talking about the fear of wages. 901 01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:54,300 So, tune in for that, in the meantime, take care of 902 01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:55,800 yourselves. I will see you soon. 903 01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:49,500 Bye. Are going to be talking about 904 01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:53,200 the fear of wages. So, tune in for that, in the 905 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,900 meantime, take care of yourselves. 906 01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:56,500 I will see you soon. Bye.