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Gus, Gus. 
I know, I know, I know. 

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What's the fear of my constipial
heart? 

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You in the act, annoying my 
beard? 

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Women in the canal there by 
Cranthora Binen, by Lord 37 But 

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they had to swim on topless 1 
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drowned or no Lord in this 
village again drowning, Only 

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swimming. 
Women that are criminals are 

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went. 
It can't. 

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You don't have to appear before 
the magistrate, my dear. 

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Ain't nobody slammed in the 
canal since Old Jim Prong fell 

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in. 
Since old Jim Prong fell in dead

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drunk in his long underwear. 
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of the magistrate? 
He was the magistrate. 

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Say it again, my little darling.
Hello and welcome to Goompod. 

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My name is Tyler Adams, and in a
packed program tonight, get me, 

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I sound like I'm in the two 
Ronnies. 

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In a packed program tonight, we 
will witness the birth of a 

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catch phrase, a last minute 
magistrate and money's in 

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arrears. 
Yes, this week we're talking 

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about the rent collectors and I 
have a very special guest, the 

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other side of the world, 
Adelaide, I believe it's Karen 

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Moffat. 
Hello, thank you so much for 

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having me. 
And yes, yes it is. 

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It is Adelaide, the the city 
that Australia forgot. 

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Well, I lived in Canberra 
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years ago. 
That's I would say that would be

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the city that Australia should 
forget. 

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Well, the thing about Canberra 
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I've actually spoken to somebody
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thought only civil servants 
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It's basically it's only point 
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servants, right? 
Yeah, no, I was. 

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My sister lived there for a few 
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I don't know, six months or 
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I was, I was anyway, let's move 
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So Karen, we were brought 
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podcast, actually, that you were
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a couple of friends of mine. 
The podcast being Lord of that 

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is Black, which is a the podcast
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I mean, you, you're, you're a 
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also a, a performer, but you you
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comedy of a certain vintage. 
We'll come to your sort of if 

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you like history with the goons,
or at least you know what, what 

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you think of the goons shortly. 
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podcast that you do and, and 
what what you do as a sort of a 

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is it an unofficial job because 
you do a lot of readings and 

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things like that. 
Don't. 

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You, I do, it is technically a 
job. 

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I mean, I'm, I, I mean, I 
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Australian Taxation Office is 
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I'm a subcontractor. 
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do. 
So, yeah, I work for Reading 

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Companions Australia where we go
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readings of books really at 
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great. 
Sometimes you, you really get to

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challenge the people and you 
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anything you like. 
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back as weirdly Edwardian 
children's literature, which I'm

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as big a fan of as I possibly 
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But if I have to read Little 
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bunch of pensioners one more 
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we're going to have a problem. 
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But when I get to really let 
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like recording an audio book, 
only you've got an audience in 

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front of you. 
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you, you do the voices you. 
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willows recently. 
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the roads. 
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sort of thing. 
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lean into it. 
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I love. 
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said, some podcasts. 
I do a Doctor Who podcast called

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Please Attend Carefully, which 
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ourselves anyway. 
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I've done a few, you know, sort 
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things like that. 
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that as best I can. 
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OK. 
All right. 

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So am I right in saying your 
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came over on the the migrant 
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So they are the 10 LB poms as 
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that through them? 
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mainly my dad more than anything
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loved when he was a kid, he just
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upbringing, I think because very
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content, despite being in an 
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you know, came in. 
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exposed to as a kid was the Goon
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blackout a red dwarf as you met.
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as a as an adult and I go, God, 
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should not have been exposed to 
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Yeah, but the the goons, yeah. 
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recording, you said obviously 
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we're going to talk about today,
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sort of dipped out of the goons 
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Was it? 
Was it difficult to dip back in?

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the goons absolutely started me 

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on my trajectory to audio. 
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the Goon Show, growing up in the
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understand, like having to 
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no radio drama tradition 
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absolutely set me on the 
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you know, the cassettes we'd get
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that. 
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very similar stories. 
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of the Internet in about 2007, 
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late for my family, you know, 
you'd then I'd then listen to 

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all the stuff that I'd missed 
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And you do, you go. 
I think you go through fallow 

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periods with stuff like this. 
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periods where I spend, I don't 
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nothing but John Finamore's 
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That's great that yeah. 
Oh really, isn't it? 

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That's so under appreciated. 
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fantastic. 
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show is the same. 
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led me to a no site, 
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Galaxy, which then led me to the
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eventually, you know, you know, 
I'm listening to jump in a more 

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souvenir program. 
What we do in the kitchen, like 

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all these great. 
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kitchen. 
That's what it's called. 

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Miles, Chap. 
Miles chap one. 

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It's really, really sweet, 
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pressure, things like that. 
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drama that like Audible's 
getting into and the Big finish,

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obviously, because I'm a Doctor 
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So, you know, Goon show started 
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But it it has been nice since we
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you want to come on, do this 
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I was like, yeah, great. 
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sit down and get back, like ease
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It's like I was thinking just 
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in some episodes they're really 
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In other episodes, they remind 
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it's like a footnote. 
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downstairs and onto the door 
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making love. 
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music feels like. 
In some episodes it's like, oh, 

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I'm so enjoying the story, why 
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That's great. 
I'll have to use that. 

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Yeah, Remember that one. 
So do you, so do you typically 

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or did you typically skip the 
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what song it was? 
I think, I think it's not even a

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matter of the fact that it's the
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Goon Show is formatted thanks to
the hangover of variety, right? 

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Like it's, yeah, yeah, it's 
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funny because it's kind of like 
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they only managed to get that 
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calling it variety because there
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than there was for straight 
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And so the music in and of 
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listen to Max Geldray or Ray 
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happily sit down and listen to 
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funny music, and it's a bit 
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merges in quite organically. 
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that. 
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the West when it it goes into 
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That works really well. 
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when it's just completely. 
Yeah, just takes you out of it. 

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OK, well, let's talk about this 

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behind the scenes and and and 
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And it's an interesting show. 
The rent collectors, it's from 

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the middle of the 7th series and
it was broadcast 17th of January

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1957. 
And I always try and bring it 

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back to The Beatles, try and 
crow by her in a Beatles 

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reference the day before this 
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OK, the Cavern Club opened in 
Liverpool. 

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Oh wow. 
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of January. 
It was actually recorded Sunday,

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the 30th of December 56. 
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recorded that night. 
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Dagenham, which we've covered 
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And the reason for that is that 
the cast wanted the next two 

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Sundays free. 
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specials on ATV with Eric Sykes 
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the first two Saturdays in 
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Seekin went to Jamaica with his 
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Did you get it? 
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back to, to the sellers TV shows
in a minute. 

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But yeah, it, it was, it was. 
I'm not sure if this was by 

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design, but in 1979 the BBC 
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Classics Volume 6, which had 
wings over Dagenham and the rent

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collectors on it, both of which,
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same night. 
So it had the same energy. 

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You could you could, you could 
suggest. 

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So I just wanted to talk about 
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Sellers did. 
Peter made these in 

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collaboration with Eric Sykes 
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on like the singer and Shelton 
and Lita Rosa. 

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OK, they would like variety 
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In which Sellers was the the 
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mixed. 11 reviewer said as soon 
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it ceases to provide its own 
unique amusement. 

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Peter Sellers tried hard as 
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succeed. 
What is pure fantasy when heard 

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is poor fooling when seen, which
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faced but savaged. 
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So it looks like Sellers. 
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So Sellers played or did a 
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Blood Knock character. 
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that the bombastic boomer of the
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tremendously on the air was much
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And yeah, and I was thinking 
about that. 

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So I was thinking if if Sellers 
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a goon show character to 
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knocks the obvious one. 
You say that though, but in my 

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head, in the visuals, in my 
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blood knock as basically Arthur 
Lowe in Dad's Army. 

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Like I've always seen blood 
knock looking like Mannering. 

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Really. 
Yeah, it's interesting. 

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I suppose I can't divorce the 
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Arthur Low to to visualise Blood
Knock looking like him. 

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Yeah, just that sort of that 
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little bit rotund, quite short 
and a bit blustery. 

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And that's just that's just kind
of how I saw him in my head. 

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So when you say when you say 
Sellers is doing blood knock on 

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screen, I just sort of go. 
But when I see Sellers in 

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uniform, it's immediately 
Mandrake in Doctor Strangelove. 

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Strangelove yeah, yeah. 
Well, because, OK, so there's 

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been, I'm sure Sellers probably 
did blood knock on TV quite a 

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bit in the 50s because, you 
know, he was always on TV. 

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Very little remains today. 
But there's there's 2 examples 

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of him as Blood Knock that on 
the screen that do exist. 

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Have you ever seen the film Down
Among the Z Men? 

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I I haven't, but it's one of 
those things that pops up from 

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time to time and it says the 
Goon Show movie and you go, 

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yeah, I sort of sort of mildly 
puzzled, but no, I've not seen 

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it. 
Yeah, it's not it's not great 

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made. 
I think it's made 52 and when 

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Michael Bent team was still with
them, Yeah, it's just a bit of a

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hot mess. 
But, but Sellers plays blood 

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knock. 
But it's, I think it's Colonel 

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Blood Knock. 
They call him and he's just, 

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it's just basically Sellers who 
was quite stocky back then 

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anyway, a bit of salt and pepper
in the hair and a moustache and 

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kind of the voice. 
But it's it's, it's not really 

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the blood Knock voice. 
It's it's a very, very mannered 

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blood knock voice. 
It doesn't. 

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It doesn't work. 
Any news out of him, right? 

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Not so. 
The new officer left on some 

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hours ago. 
What the devil are we supposed 

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to do? 
An intake of every service you 

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here at any moment. 
And I've got no agitant. 

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I know, Sir. 
And now to cap it, there's this 

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VIP fellow on his way too. 
And he's way too. 

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Where, Sir? 
Here, man, here. 

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I can't think what the War 
Office is up to. 

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They send me a a civilian 
scientist, a nurse, but they 

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don't send me an agitant. 
And then there was a in 58, 

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there was a This is your life, 
Harry Seekin OK. 

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And right at the end, Sellers 
and Milligan turn up dressed up 

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and they sort of sort of like a 
stage invasion. 

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And Milligan's got really out 
like a long night shirt. 

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And I think it World War 2 
helmet on, I think memory. 

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And Sellers is clearly dressed 
meant to be Blood Knock. 

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He's wearing a pith helmet and 
like, a military uniform, 

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military jacket and and long 
shorts and boots. 

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Although he doesn't, we don't 
hear him speak. 

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He's clearly meant to be Blood 
Knock. 

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Yeah, but, but anyway, yeah. 
So this, this, these, these two 

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TV specials, they, they weren't,
you know, universally panned. 

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Another, another TV reviewer 
said that Peter Sellers and Eric

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Sykes gave the ITV weekend the 
best possible send off. 

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Scriptwriter Sykes was at his 
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writing for Sellers. 
Their effort was a happy 

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compromise between a straight 
variety show and the complete 

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lunacy of the goons. 
And as well as Blood Knock, 

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Sellers played William Mate 
Cobblers from the Goon show. 

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He also did, it would appear, 
played a did a sketch, at least 

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one sketch as a Shakespearean 
actor called Pew's Nogbart. 

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And he donned a black wig and 
false nose to portray Richard 

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the Third, which he would go on 
to do 8 years later when doing A

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Hard Day's Night on that Beatles
TV special. 

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The music of Lennon and 
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maybe 66. 
And all these guest stars 

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performed Lennon and McCartney 
songs. 

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Oh, OK. 
And Sellers went on dressed as 

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Richard the Third or Laurence 
Olivia dressed as Richard the 

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Third, if that makes sense. 
Yes, he was. 

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He was playing playing Laurence 
Olivier, playing Richard the 

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Third and he performed A Hard 
Day's Night, but it's sort of 

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like a as a soliloquy rather 
than he didn't sing it and it 

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was actually released as a 
single. 

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Oh, wonderful. 
What's all this, John? 

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It's a piece of salad. 
It has been a hard day's night 

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and I have been working like a 
dog. 

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It's been a hard day's night. 
I should be sleeping like a log.

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But when I get home to you, I 
find the things that you do will

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make me feel all right. 
You know, I work all day to get 

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you money, to buy you things, 
and it's worth it just to hear 

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you say you'll give me 
everything. 

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That's why I love to come home 
'cause when I get you a loan, 

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you know I feel OK. 
And yeah, one of the one of the 

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sketches had Sellers playing a 
paranoid police inspector 

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investigating a poison pen 
letter case. 

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So yeah, so. 
So, you know, it was Sellers 

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really pushing to develop his 
career outside of the radio. 

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And as I said, Harry, Harry's 
come back from Jamaica and he 

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began that week he began filming
the film Davey Davey is a sweet 

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little film that Harry starred 
in. 

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And it's typically considered to
be or generally considered to be

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the last of the great Ealing 
comedies, or at least say great 

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the last proper Ealing comedy. 
All right, and Spike around this

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time, Spike had been in in 
January 57. 

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He he'd been a guest star on the
Petula Clark show and it was 

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reported in the, the, the 
newspapers that he was adapting.

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Now I I've never, I've never 
read this. 

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The Snow Goose by Paul Gallico. 
No, never heard of. 

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It he was adapting it in for for
television and he said that he 

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he told the newspapers the 
script calls for a gross man who

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sings. 
I immediately thought of Harry 

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Secombe and Harry said he'd be 
delighted. 

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But this TV adaptation didn't 
seem to get off the ground. 

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He he was writing it with his 
old wartime comrade Harry 

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Edgington, but it didn't get 
picked up by the BBC. 

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However, in 1975 he did adapt 
the story for an LP with the 

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London Symphony Orchestra. 
But, but there you go. 

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So that's where the goons were. 
Well, that's what they were 

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doing in January 57. 
It's not. 

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Sounds like a really sort of 
sort of jobbing week, doesn't 

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it? 
You know, they're all at this 

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point, the Goon Show is kind of 
this, the thing that they've got

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to do to earn the money, but 
they're trying to push all the 

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other things at the same time 
apart from Seccom. 

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It was on holiday. 
Well, yeah, but then he he comes

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back to make a film or he starts
making a film. 

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Sellers would be I, I didn't 
check actually, Sellers was, was

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either about to start filming 
the Naked Truth or it was around

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this time that he'd have been 
doing that. 

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So that all of them and and 
Milligan, you know, he's got 

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other interests as well, but I 
think Sellers in seeking 

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particularly were really well, 
obviously were very ambitious 

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and and really career driven and
but but but you know, at the 

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end, at the end of the day, the 
the Goon show was still 

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important to them. 
And so so we have this this this

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episode, the rent collectors. 
Now it's got a special guest, 

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which is the actor Bernard 
Miles. 

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And had you been aware of 
Bernard Miles before? 

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No, I hadn't. 
And you know what, I, I did at 

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least do some research for this 
podcast and I went and I went 

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and had a look and you know, I 
started with Wikipedia and 

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worked my way forward. 
And then I just sort of looked 

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and I was like, then I don't 
think there's absolutely 

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anything where I will have 
crossed over with him at all. 

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I looked through all the films 
and I mean, you know, I like an 

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old film, but quite a lot of 
these I was like, no, I've never

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heard of any of them or I've 
seen remakes that I didn't 

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realize were remakes or things 
like that. 

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I think possibly. 
I see it says he was uncredited 

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in Doctor at Large, which is 
probably the one thing I would 

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have seen. 
Oh wow. 

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OK. 
OK, because, you know, I, I'm a 

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big fan of the Carry On films 
and the Doctor films and the, 

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you know, they, they have no 
place in today's society, but I 

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do love them. 
Well, carry on, Emmanuel. 

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Doesn't some of the others do. 
Carry on abroad. 

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Come on. 
That's still that that that. 

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I think that should be shown 
prime time. 

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Every Christmas Day. 
Well, no Bedded Miles, I 

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suppose. 
He bet he was best known. 

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He started this theatre called 
the Mermaid Theatre and worked 

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with Spike. 
Spike worked with him quite a 

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bit in the 60s and 70s 
productions of Treasure Island, 

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things like that. 
But yeah, he was, I mean, he's 

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an interesting guy. 
I, I don't know a lot about him.

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I watched him. 
I'm a huge fan of Hitchcock and 

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he's quite prominent in the 
remake. 

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Hitch. 
Hitch, Hitchcock's remake of his

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own film, The Man Who Knew Too 
Much, which was he made in 55, I

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think, starring Jimmy Stewart 
and what's the name, Doris Day. 

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And Bernard Miles actually plays
the villain in that, although, 

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although he's to all intents and
purposes, he's a very mild 

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mannered Englishman, right until
he's not. 

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It's quite weird because the, 
the guy that you hear on this 

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Goon show episode, it's it's 
completely the guy that you see 

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on screen and the man who knew 
too much. 

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There's no way that it's the 
same man. 

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It's just, it's just weird. 
There's a complete, you know, 

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because Bernard Miles is from 
the West Country of England. 

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You know, he's, he's got that, 
that sort of that, that, that 

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West Country accent, that Burr. 
You're tiptoeing around going 

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who are. 
Yes, I am, I am. 

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And I didn't want to use the Y 
word, but in in the man who knew

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too much. 
He's like I say, he's just like 

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a mild mannered man from the 
Home Counties with spectacles 

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and looks very respectable. 
Allow me to show you, will you? 

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You use only the first two 
fingers in thumb of the right 

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hand. 
Don't use the other two fingers 

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and always the left hand in the 
lab. 

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I see. 
May I show you? 

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Can I hold it? 
I'll hold it for you. 

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But he also he worked with 
Sellers on smaller show on earth

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that that great film. 
He he worked with Sellers on 

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that he was he Sellers and 
Margaret Rutherford were a trio 

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of old people that maintained an
old flea pit cinema. 

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OK. 
He was also in Heavens Above the

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Sellers starred in and yeah, he 
was friendly with, I gather he 

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was friendly with the goons in 
general. 

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Now, he wasn't meant to be in 
this show at all, right? 

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So the part. 
So he plays the magistrate. 

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Allow me. 
All dears know that. 

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Does everybody know he's 
uncomfortable? 

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Nobody's worried about you, 
Aaron. 

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Keep away from them pigs. 
We don't want them to catch 

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anything before the cattle show.
Right now, I declare that I will

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try the prisoner fairly and that
I am entirely unbiased one way 

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or the other. 
Right. 

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Right here. 
Good, Tom. 

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Just run across the road and get
some good strong rope. 

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Now then, Mr. Spriggs, did the 
jury swear? 

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The host? 
Yes, Sir. 

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Yes, Sir. 
Did the prisoner swear? 

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I never heard such language. 
You kind of feel like that was 

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meant to be sellers. 
It was meant to be sellers. 

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Yeah, it was in the script. 
It's got it. 

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The, the direction is Peter and 
then the brackets birded Miles 

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type and then and then the, the,
the lines. 

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So what happened was I don't 
know whether this was just happy

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accident or or what, but birded 
Miles had just gone to watch the

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00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,600
recordings. 
As I say, there was 2 

444
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,000
recordings. 
He was in the audience and and 

445
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,680
they just decided, I guess they,
they recorded the, you know, 

446
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,080
wings over dagging him first and
then between the two recordings 

447
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,600
perhaps, or maybe, I don't know,
maybe before the recordings 

448
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,600
began, they asked Bernard 
whether he'd mind guest starring

449
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,880
as the magistrate and the rent 
collectors. 

450
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,720
And he agreed. 
And he said he'd, he'd said he'd

451
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,760
appear for free. 
He said he didn't want paying. 

452
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,920
He said absolutely, I'll do it. 
You know, don't worry about 

453
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,720
paying me. 
But Pat Dixon, the producer, 

454
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,200
actually insisted on paying him 
like a nominal fee because I 

455
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:03,280
think technically they had to. 
Not quite sure why, but yeah, it

456
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,640
was just a spur of the moment 
decision to include him. 

457
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,680
And it works very well. 
It works very well. 

458
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,440
It's quite, I don't know 
whether, see, this is the thing,

459
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,920
the the fact that in the script 
it requires A birded Miles type 

460
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,480
character. 
It's just an incredible 

461
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,800
coincidence that he happened to 
be in the audience. 

462
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,200
Wonderful serendipity, yeah. 
I, I, I suspect that there's, 

463
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,400
there's more to it than that. 
I don't know whether he was 

464
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,080
invited along, perhaps I don't 
know. 

465
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,040
But but, but officially the 
official story is that it was 

466
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,600
just spur of the moment 
decision. 

467
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,960
It's always nice when you get 
when you get a guest on the 

468
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,800
goons I I think especially when 
they're in a position of power, 

469
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,080
because then it adds gravitas to
that position of power because 

470
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,760
it's not one of the usual voices
that you're listen used to 

471
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,800
listening to. 
Well, yeah, I mean, the the most

472
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,240
the the the best one is 
Valentine Dial. 

473
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,920
I think he just, he just works 
extremely well. 

474
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,760
There are certain guests that 
don't quite work. 

475
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,040
Dennis Price in the the Robin 
Hood episode I don't think works

476
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,160
very well. 
If you're if you have the 

477
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,040
ability to get Valentine dial 
with the voice that that man 

478
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:19,040
has, then you pay the money. 
Yes, I think he was in about 8-9

479
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,520
green shows something like that 
over the years. 

480
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,520
So he was the most prolific 
guest for sure. 

481
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,720
And also altogether everyone 
listening at home. 

482
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,880
He was in Doctor Who. 
Oh. 

483
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,800
Yeah. 
What was that? 

484
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,440
What was the was he in a couple 
of Doctor Who's? 

485
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,960
He was in a couple of stories 
but playing the same character. 

486
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,880
He was played the what at the 
time was called the The Black 

487
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,080
Guardian, but has now been 
rebranded to The Dark Guardian. 

488
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,040
OK, yeah, yeah, so, OK, so let's
give the let's give the the 

489
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,960
synopsis for this show and then 
just talk about bits we like or,

490
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,960
or whatever. 
It's Moriarty and grit pipe. 

491
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,320
Answer and advertisement by 
Henry Crum who will pay £1000 to

492
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,160
anyone willing to collect the 
8000 lbs eleven and four pence 

493
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,160
in back rent from Death Grange, 
Slaughterhill. 

494
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,240
But it's more than their life's 
worth to go there. 

495
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,080
They call Neddy, who's never 
heard of the place, into 

496
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,720
collecting the rents for £5. 
The bus won't stop at 

497
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,000
Slaughterhill so Ned is forced 
to jump off. 

498
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,400
He lands in the canal and gives 
little Jim the first opportunity

499
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,880
to say he's swollen in the 
water. 

500
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,360
OK, we'll come back to that. 
Great part of Moriarty happened 

501
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,600
by in a motor boat, but he 
doesn't have the money to pay 

502
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,120
their rescue fee. 
He's forced to swim to the shore

503
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,160
and climb out there. 
He's arrested by a constable for

504
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,200
swimming in the canal, thereby 
contravening the bylaws. 

505
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,560
The Court of Little Filth Mark 
sentences him to be hanged. 

506
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,400
When Ned insists on appealing, 
he's sent to the Squire at 

507
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,520
death. 
Grange there, Blue Bottoms 

508
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,040
exercising with echoes. 
The Squire is a drink crazed at 

509
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,360
Blood Knock, who thinks he's in 
Afghanistan and that Neddy is a 

510
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,600
King's messenger. 
Blood Knock agrees to sign a 

511
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,320
reprieve for Neddy for a 
consideration. 

512
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,000
The sum of 8000 lbs. 
Eleven and four pence. 

513
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,680
So there we go. 
OK, so I just wanted to set the 

514
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,720
scene. 
Now. 

515
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,880
OK, it's the first official 
appearance of the little Jim 

516
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760
character. 
And oh boy, does little Jim get 

517
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,360
wheeled out in this story. 
It's it's about. 

518
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,600
I think I counted 5 five times. 
Yeah, I. 

519
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,120
Think so. 4-5 times. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

520
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,800
Oh dear children. 
Look what has happened to poor 

521
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:52,560
Uncle Harry. 
Wings Over Dagenham, which was 

522
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,720
recorded earlier in the evening.
He does actually unofficially 

523
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,160
appear in that because at one 
point in the show, Milligan just

524
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,080
sort of like Mumbles into the 
microphone. 

525
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,360
He's full in the water or 
something like that. 

526
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,880
And it makes Harry break up 
because he knew what was coming 

527
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,480
the next show. 
But yeah, it's, it's a real 

528
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,720
concerted effort by Spike. 
Oh, the, the script for this is 

529
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,680
Spike, Spike and Larry Stevens, 
by the way. 

530
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,320
But it's it's a really concerted
effort to engineer a catch 

531
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,600
phrase. 
And it kind of worked. 

532
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,080
It did. 
I mean, it's probably what I 

533
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,680
would say probably one of the 
most popular catchphrases to 

534
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,720
come out of the show. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

535
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,960
In the script for this, the 
character wasn't called Little 

536
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,440
Jim. 
It was just written as very dull

537
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,240
young child. 
OK, now what do you think of? 

538
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,200
OK, what do you think of catch 
phrases in general? 

539
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,280
Do you have do you have an 
opinion? 

540
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,040
Look, it's once you've got a 
catch phrase, then everyone 

541
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,240
expects it. 
It's it's like, you know, when 

542
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Blue Bottle comes on and 
suddenly everyone in the 

543
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,040
audience spends the next two 
minutes clapping and you just 

544
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,880
go, can we get on with the catch
phrases? 

545
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,480
Catch phrases are funny and 
they're funny for a reason. 

546
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,440
But I think, yeah, you, they can
become, they can become a 

547
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,560
millstone around your neck. 
And I, I get the feeling that 

548
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,720
Spike Milligan felt that towards
the end. 

549
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,040
I think he felt the millstone of
the catchphrases that he had 

550
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,840
built. 
I think so one, one thing that I

551
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,800
find interesting about Little 
Jim in this is that he's kind of

552
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,920
in a sort of meta thing. 
Little Jim is meant to be a 

553
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,280
member of the audience. 
Peter Sellers is talking to the 

554
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,920
children who are watching the 
show. 

555
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,920
But then of course, Little Jim 
becomes an actual character 

556
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,720
within the show have leading his
own little life. 

557
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,280
Again, this is this is a 
reference lost, lost to time 

558
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,800
now, but Sellers is meant to be 
playing a person called Uncle 

559
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,520
Mac when he's when he's doing 
that bit. 

560
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,080
And Uncle Mac was a children's 
presenter on the radio and I 

561
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080
think he was head of children's 
broadcasting on the BBC for a 

562
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,880
number of years. 
So yeah, he was just, he was 

563
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,440
someone who he presented record 
requests for children on the 

564
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,880
something called Children's Hour
in the 50s. 

565
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,600
And that's that's the character 
that Sellers is briefly playing 

566
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,800
there. 
That topical humour. 

567
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,880
A topical humour, yes. 
And, and do you know where the 

568
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,120
where the idea of, you know, 
saying he's fallen in the water 

569
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,960
comes from? 
No, I'm assuming it's it's 

570
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,000
spewed forth from Spike 
Milligan's head somewhere, and I

571
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,080
I often think that Spike 
Milligan's sense of humour makes

572
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,320
sense to no one but himself a 
lot of the time. 

573
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Well, it actually comes from 
real life, According to him. 

574
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,160
And, and, and Spike was so 
contradictory and, and you never

575
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,400
know whether these things are 
true or accurate or they're, 

576
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,240
they're a mishmash of different 
memories or whatever. 

577
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,560
But I'm just trying. 
I'm just dredging this from my 

578
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,240
memory. 
I think the, the story he tells 

579
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,880
us that he was, maybe it was 
when they were coming over from 

580
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,560
India to to England the first 
time, you know, when his family 

581
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,760
moved from India, something 
along the lines of there was a 

582
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,040
swimming pool on the boat that 
they're on. 

583
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,120
And a child had fallen in the 
swimming pool. 

584
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,639
And, and another child, like a 
little girl, ran up to Spike's 

585
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:31,800
brother and sort of tugged his 
sleeve and he turned around and 

586
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,679
this child said he's fallen in 
the water, right? 

587
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,639
And and that's where Spike said 
he got the idea from, but seems 

588
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:45,199
a bit. 
You you can sort of now I've 

589
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,960
been told that I do sort of you 
sort of get that that voice that

590
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,400
he's doing there is of that 
small child who is sort of 

591
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,280
talking under their breath, like
trying to get wants to say 

592
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,760
something but doesn't want to 
talk like that's. 

593
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,480
Just really, really. 
Yeah. 

594
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,120
So yeah, so little Jim. 
He would he would go on to to 

595
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,320
appear in most shows of the 
eighth series and and subsequent

596
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,880
series. 
I think they kind of, he kind of

597
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,400
dropped it around the middle of 
the ninth series, perhaps. 

598
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,600
But then he brings it back for 
the last green show of all and 

599
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,000
it it really is shoe horned in 
and gets a huge round of 

600
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,200
applause. 
I I doesn't remember that. 

601
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,880
Doesn't he actually, when it 
gets to that point, he like 

602
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,560
there's a pause and he leans in 
and just very deliberately says 

603
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,000
it. 
Yes, Yeah. 

604
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,280
It just makes me think of that 
episode of The Simpsons Bart 

605
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,240
gets famous where he 
inadvertently appears on 

606
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,880
television and says the line. 
I didn't. 

607
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,160
I didn't do it. 
Yeah, yes. 

608
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,840
Say the line, Bart. 
Yes, yes, like it's every. 

609
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,080
That's all they want from him. 
Just say the line. 

610
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,800
And that's how I felt feel about
Milligan leaning into the 

611
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,160
microphone for the last screen 
show of all when he says he's 

612
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,160
fallen in the water. 
He might as well have just said 

613
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,960
there's your 30 pieces of 
silver. 

614
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,240
So, OK, what overall, what's 
your feeling about this show? 

615
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,560
I, I'd love this episode. 
I, I it's one of the earliest 

616
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,200
shows I heard and I absolutely 
adore it. 

617
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,240
But it's it's not that I don't 
To me, it should be more popular

618
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,400
among fans than it actually is. 
I. 

619
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,880
Was this one that you you 
remembered well? 

620
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,400
I honestly, no, I didn't 
remember it that well. 

621
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,120
And I think it's because it's, 
as I say, like when I was a kid,

622
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,360
the stuff I was exposed to was 
the stuff that they marketed 

623
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,800
very heavily. 
You know, the stuff that was 

624
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,840
easy to get in cassette form, 
stuff like Luggy Strikes 

625
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,520
Britain, Napoleon's Piano, 
Dreaded Better Putting, Hurler 

626
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,040
of Bexhill on Sea, that sort of 
thing. 

627
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,720
So I didn't remember this one. 
Listening to it was definitely, 

628
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,720
it was nice. 
It felt fresh. 

629
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,760
I mean, I'm sure I've listened 
to it at some point, but not to 

630
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,040
the extent that I have some of 
my more favorite episodes. 

631
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,040
I enjoy it, and this might be a 
controversial viewpoint. 

632
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,000
It feels like too I it feels 
like Spike Milligan had two 

633
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,760
different ideas that he didn't 
quite work to a finish and so 

634
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,240
put both of them together. 
Also, it's a bit like a day in 

635
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,200
the life. 2 ideas bolted 
together. 

636
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,920
It kind of feels like that. 
So I mean you've got this this 

637
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,560
one idea of the rent collectors,
right, which I I you know, I 

638
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,480
like that idea that farming out 
rent collecting. 

639
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,200
That's a really natural thing 
for grip pipe and Moriarty to 

640
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,560
then foist on Nettie. 
That's fine. 

641
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,720
And I like the end of the story 
where you've got the you've got 

642
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:47,600
blood knock living in this, you 
know, manner and he still thinks

643
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,880
he's out in the desert. 
That's those two points 

644
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:56,040
logically go together, as do the
two points of Neddy landing in 

645
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,400
the river and being done for 
swimming and then going in front

646
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,360
of a magistrate. 
Those those two points go 

647
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,840
together. 
And I think those are two 

648
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,840
different stories that Spike has
sort of put together because he 

649
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,160
needed something to get from. 
He needed to get from the rent 

650
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,200
collecting to finding out that 
blood knock, because I mean 

651
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,760
Blood Knock thinking he's in the
desert and not having paid his 

652
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,160
rent. 
That's totally logical in that 

653
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,640
sort of goon show logic, but him
also being the Squire of the 

654
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:31,640
Manor feels a bit bolted on. 
Yeah, I never thought of that. 

655
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,120
See if you'd asked me, I just 
said, OK, the first, the first 

656
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:42,040
two acts, if you like a one show
and then the last act, certainly

657
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,400
the when blood knock appears, 
that's that to me sounds like 

658
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,320
it's it's a complete gear 
change. 

659
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,680
Yeah. 
But what you're saying is that 

660
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,040
the, the beginning premise going
to collect rent and then the 

661
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,760
blood knock sequence, they go 
together, but then the bit with 

662
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,040
Nettie in the water and the the,
the trial that that goes 

663
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,120
together and then yeah, yeah, 
sort of stapled them all 

664
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,320
together. 
Yeah, and the the interaction 

665
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,400
between the interaction between 
Eccles and Blue Blue Bottle is 

666
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,440
also something that you just 
like. 

667
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,880
Spike has written this joke and 
he doesn't know where else to 

668
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,800
put it and he needs 2 minutes in
this story so he puts that joke 

669
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,880
in there. 
Well, he needs, he needs to have

670
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,600
a sequence with Echoes and Blue 
Bottle. 

671
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,520
Yeah, because that's because 
that's the, that's the the law. 

672
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,080
They need to be in it. 
It's it's a very rare goon chair

673
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,720
that doesn't have Blue Bottle in
it. 

674
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,480
Certainly not Echoes. 
One, did you start this muscle 

675
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,200
type? 
I'm starting it as soon as I can

676
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,080
get this brown paper puzzle 
open. 

677
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:50,200
Oh, that's my trousers. 
Good look. 

678
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,240
There it is, a Monroe chest 
expander after Miller 

679
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,280
recommended me tradition. 
They must have had the view from

680
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:05,200
the bridge then. 
It says here, guaranteed to put 

681
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,160
two inches on your chair. 
Or let me see how big your chest

682
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,400
is before you start. 
Lift up your arms. 

683
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:18,280
Yeah, let me help you. 
Let me see. 

684
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,960
Now. 8 inches including 
shoulders. 

685
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,560
Yeah. 8 inches, Curry. 
If I knew my chest was as big as

686
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,120
that, I would not have sent for 
this. 

687
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,160
Really, Sir? 
8 inches doesn't bury bulge, you

688
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:33,960
know. 
But all. 

689
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,800
No. 
But I was breathing out. 

690
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,720
When I breathe in, it is 
different, you know. 

691
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:48,200
Look No 7 1/2. 
See the difference? 

692
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,160
Yeah, do you like those Blue 
Bottle Echo sequences when 

693
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,840
they're just sort of riffing? 
I, I mean, I, I like it better 

694
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,440
when they, when they work in 
with the story, which a lot of 

695
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,480
them, you know, I think there 
are a lot of stories where they 

696
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,080
do work well. 
But yeah, this one just felt, I 

697
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,120
mean, it was a fun get like it 
was a fun gag. 

698
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,480
Lift up your arms and each time 
it's shorter. 

699
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,360
That's a that's a very, very 
good gag. 

700
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,960
Yeah, this only it's only 
through listening to this for 

701
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,040
the for preparing for this 
episode, right that I actually 

702
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,560
realized that, say, blue bottles
using a chest expander. 

703
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,600
Yeah, isn't he? 
And it's and he calls it a 

704
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:34,160
Monroe chest expander. 
And I and I didn't, I didn't 

705
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,320
connect for the long, you know, 
for all these years, I've never 

706
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,840
connected. 
What he meant was Marilyn 

707
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,360
Monroe. 
Chest. 

708
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:48,080
Expander and because I'd heard 
the the version that how do I 

709
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,560
put this they talk about Arthur 
Miller. 

710
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,440
Yes, there's that. 
Wonderful. 

711
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,120
He probably got a view from the 
bridge and you just you expect 

712
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,080
someone in the background 
clapped and went way. 

713
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,800
Well, yeah, but the version that
I grew up listening to, which 

714
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,520
was on the LP. 
All right. 

715
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,800
The Arthur Miller bit had been 
cut out. 

716
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,840
So all I heard was Monroe chest 
expander. 

717
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,640
That was it. 
There was no other reference. 

718
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,080
So I just, I just took it to be 
a brand, an actual brand of 

719
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:21,560
chest expanders called Monroe. 
On the in the script, the line 

720
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,960
is, oh, look, it's the Monroe 
chest expander. 

721
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,160
Arthur Miller recommended me 
this, you know, and then Echols 

722
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,760
goes, Oh yeah, he must know all 
about chest development, you 

723
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:38,000
know, and they and they decided 
not to not to use that line too 

724
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,880
risque. 
This is totally awesome. 

725
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,200
Have you heard the one about 
when Marilyn Monroe met Arthur 

726
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,800
Miller's parents? 
She was terrified because she 

727
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,680
didn't think. 
She didn't think that she was 

728
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,400
intellectual enough because, you
know, Arthur Miller and 

729
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,280
everything, and she needed to go
to the bathroom. 

730
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,240
And she was so worried that 
she'd make a noise. 

731
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,360
She was paranoid, you know, when
you're in that situation. 

732
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,480
So she turned the tap on, went 
to the bathroom and then, you 

733
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,320
know, finish what she's doing, 
wash her hands, left. 

734
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,160
And Arthur Miller asked his dad 
the next day. 

735
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,240
So what did you think of 
Marilyn? 

736
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:26,040
Nice girl, pisses like a horse. 
But it's funny you mentioned the

737
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,480
vinyl because I, I just wanted 
to say at this point, one thing 

738
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,760
I, because I, as I say, I love 
audio. 

739
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,520
One thing I've always been 
fascinated by is how audio has 

740
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,920
been edited for home release, 
especially vinyl. 

741
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,480
So like I love it when ATV show 
gets released on vinyl because 

742
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,920
then I can like because say 
faulty towers, I have all the 

743
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,000
faulty towers on vinyl so I know
where all the beats are. 

744
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,520
But I, I, it's always so 
interesting to find out how 

745
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:56,280
they've cut it to make it fit in
that like 22 minute like vinyl 

746
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,200
gap. 
Within the Fawlty Towers LP's 

747
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,760
you've got Andrew Sachs playing 
Manuel, sort of linking the 

748
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,080
scenes, haven't you? 
Yeah, some of them anyway. 

749
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,880
I've been wanting to get Demon 
Records, have done a complete 

750
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,440
set of Blackadder on vinyl and 
I've been dying to get. 

751
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,440
It's about about 400 bucks, but 
I've been dying to get it. 

752
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,960
So I can, you know, just, I just
love the feel of when they put 

753
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,560
stuff on audio. 
It's like Big Finish puts like 

754
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,560
Doctor Who audio on vinyl, and 
I've got a few of those and it's

755
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,440
just, it's always so interesting
to me. 

756
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,120
What's the appeal? 
OK, I can understand why they 

757
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:39,440
would release TV shows on vinyl 
pre VHS because it was the only 

758
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,360
way that people could, you know,
access that stuff. 

759
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,840
Obviously, yeah. 
What would be the appeal of it? 

760
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,920
Post VHS if you know what I 
mean. 

761
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,560
One, it's the it's the 
collectability largely, I'll 

762
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,240
admit, you know, especially now 
that when you've got the you can

763
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,920
get vinyl with all sorts of 
amazing colours and things like 

764
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,240
that. 
Like I've got a friend that 

765
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:07,880
collects all of the like the 
blood filled vinyl that he can 

766
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,240
like it's got like red liquid 
blood inside it. 

767
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:17,040
Yeah, it's it, it looks dodgy as
hell, but it's it's very cool. 

768
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,800
But another thing I suppose is 
for me, what I love about 

769
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:28,760
collecting vinyl is that it's a 
very, it's a very physical 

770
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,200
experience. 
You know, you take the vinyl 

771
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,360
out, you put it on the record, 
you sit down, I'm going to 

772
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,520
listen to this. 
Whereas if you put something on 

773
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,360
your phone, you'll, you know, 
you forgetting what you're doing

774
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,080
like it's a, it's a very, in the
moment having vinyl, you know, 

775
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,320
that sort of, you know, for 
something that's recorded 

776
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,080
digitally, yeah, you're not 
going to get like that fidelity 

777
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,120
because it's being recorded 
digitally then put onto an 

778
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,840
analogue form. 
It's not like something that was

779
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,600
recorded in analogue then put on
analogue. 

780
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,360
And, you know, if you'd listen 
to it in digital, it's sort of 

781
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,280
clipped at either end, yeah. 
When am I going to park this 

782
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,840
plane? 
In Later. 

783
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,800
Later. 
Not in later. 

784
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,960
I'm sure you're not. 
Post chat. 

785
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,040
Yeah, y'all get your post chat 
later. 

786
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,280
Well, it's all right for some. 
You're going now. 

787
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,120
Get back in the wings. 
There will be no Brandy left for

788
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:29,160
you then. 
Now, Mariota, will you do? 

789
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,400
Will you do the talking while I 
take the part of Mr. Crown? 

790
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,120
All right. 
Goodbye. 

791
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:34,280
Now. 
Are you ready? 

792
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,080
I'm ready now. 
What do you want? 

793
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,080
We want the job as rent 
collectors. 

794
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,560
Yes. 
Where the job is. 

795
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,960
Yes. 
Collecting the rent from some 

796
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,960
tenants about. 
You see, they owe us 8000 lbs. 

797
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Eleven and four pence in a rear.
In a rear of which 1000 LB is 

798
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,360
yours. 
If you can collect it 1000 lbs. 

799
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,120
We owe you. 
We'll do it. 

800
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,400
Poor Nettie just keeps getting 
sort of catapulted from, you 

801
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,560
know, thing to thing again. 
The, the, that's what I was 

802
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,840
saying about the, it feels like 
2 separate things. 

803
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,440
It feels a bit weird to have 
grip pipe and Moriarty sending 

804
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,520
Neddy off on this thing and then
immediately finding him while 

805
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,960
they're in a boat. 
The you telling me that this 

806
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,640
week they, you know, they had to
sort of rush and do things 

807
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,440
together so they could have a 
couple of weekends off. 

808
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,960
It does kind of feel like he got
2 scripts knocked him together 

809
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,880
so that they could go have the 
weekend off. 

810
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,320
No, Neddy, what's all the noise 
about? 

811
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,520
I have it on good authority that
I'm drowning. 

812
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,120
For a fee of one and six, we can
salvage you. 

813
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,000
Right? 
Thank you. 

814
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,000
And here is a waterproof 
receipt. 

815
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:47,120
Just a thing for my submerged 
accountant. 

816
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:52,160
And now I'm going down for the 
third time. 

817
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,720
The second. 
The second time. 

818
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:54,880
That will be another seven 
points. 

819
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,320
What for? 
Keeping counter the number of 

820
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,520
times you go down. 
Thank you. 

821
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,800
Now please help me out. 
I've paid you 2 shillings 

822
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,200
already, 2 and a penny Neddy. 
And that will be another half 

823
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,040
pound for keeping your account. 
Now let us help you into the 

824
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:15,360
boat. 
You want to be taken ashore? 

825
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,000
Of course. 1 shilling piece. 
I I haven't any more money. 

826
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:32,920
No more money. 
The whole middle section with 

827
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,200
the, the court and with, with 
Bird and Miles. 

828
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,520
I think that works really well. 
It's interestingly the the so 

829
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:48,320
when Neddy is thrown into the 
water, thereby thereby giving 

830
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,760
little Jim an opportunity, of 
course. 

831
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,360
And he's he, he, he forced, he's
forced to swim to the bank and 

832
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,880
climb out and he gets arrested 
by a constable. 

833
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,760
Now in the script it was meant 
to be William as the as the 

834
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,960
constable but instead Sellers 
plays him as the the character 

835
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,040
Swede which is his Cornish 
character. 

836
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,440
It's what I like about it is 
it's Cornish, but he's also 

837
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:19,240
doing a sort of sort of turning 
up his mouth and like rolling 

838
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:22,560
the sound around in there. 
So we showed really, and he's 

839
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,520
having real trouble towards the 
end where he's like, he's not 

840
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,840
doing hard consonants anymore 
and you can hear him sort of 

841
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,240
struggling knowing that he's not
making any sense but. 

842
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,240
It's just occurred to me as 
well, just occurred to me as I'm

843
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,560
speaking now, why he decided not
to play it as William as in the 

844
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,160
script. 
And the reason for that is 

845
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,320
because he was meant to be 
playing the magistrate, and the 

846
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,160
magistrate's voice would have 
been the voice that we hear. 

847
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,760
Of. 
Course. 

848
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:54,200
So because he doesn't need to 
play the magistrate, he decides 

849
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,400
to play the constable as that. 
Damn you all, I'm going to do 

850
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:07,520
this voice after all. 
This character in this, which is

851
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,720
a nod to a radio show that 
Sellers used to appear in called

852
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,960
Raise a Laugh. 
Have you heard of Raise a Laugh?

853
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,520
No, I. 
Haven't actually. 

854
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,840
So there was a comedian called 
Ted Ray, extremely popular 

855
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,280
comedian, and he had his own 
radio series called Raise a 

856
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,400
Laugh. 
OK, OK, RAY, Apostrophe S. 

857
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,040
Oh yes, I get the joke now. 
You. 

858
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,960
Get it now? 
It's a play of words, you see. 

859
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,840
And, and Sellers was a voice man
on that. 

860
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,600
He played various characters, 
including a kind of a prototype 

861
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,160
Blue Bottle in the early in the 
early years. 

862
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,080
Yeah, but probably his his most 
celebrated character, seller's 

863
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,360
most celebrated character in in 
Raise a Laugh, which I think he 

864
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,560
was in, I think he quit Raise a 
Laugh around 56. 

865
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,240
I want to say it's that late, 
you know, But he, he played this

866
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:03,800
character called Crystal Jolly 
Bottom, which is such a 1950s 

867
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:04,960
radio comedy. 
Name isn't it? 

868
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:11,560
He was this kind of blousy sort 
of Margaret Rutherford stroke 

869
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,720
barrel Reed type voice that he 
would do and she was always 

870
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,960
turning up and raised a laugh. 
Now he bring, he he reprises 

871
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,080
that voice for the conductress 
on the bus. 

872
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,120
Oh yes. 
Fast, please. 

873
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:28,160
Oh, fast. 
Please. 

874
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,480
Not a hill. 
Please. 

875
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,960
It's not a real. 
You're asking for trouble. 

876
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,680
Yeah, well, no, I'm asking for a
ticket. 

877
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:42,920
You're too tall for me. 41, 
please. 4 pence. 

878
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,200
It's 6 pence to slaughter reel. 
Oh, right. 

879
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,760
Oh, it'll let you know that it's
actually 9th pence. 

880
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,480
Little dizzy, nervous. 
I'm not even the conductorist on

881
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:58,280
this. 
Yes, it's a good gag in that 

882
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,080
one, isn't it? 
It's a good gag. 

883
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,400
Now that's a gag that's been 
repeated that's been used in the

884
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,520
Goon Show before. 
I think it's in the silent 

885
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,040
Bugler from top of me head and 
the whole the whole bit at the 

886
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,760
end with Blood Knock. 
It's to me to me that's the the 

887
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,760
weakest part of the the show. 
I like it right up until the end

888
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,680
of the the Blue bottle and and 
Eccles scene. 

889
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,240
And I find the last sort of 5 
minutes or so quite quite 

890
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:27,520
tiresome. 
Yeah, yeah. 

891
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,080
I don't know why, I think it is 
because of this whole thing that

892
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,680
like you said, it feels like 
it's it is 2 shows together and 

893
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,120
this one, the last bit just 
doesn't quite work for me. 

894
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,400
Yeah, exactly it. 
It might have worked if there 

895
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,640
was something like more worked 
in to bring them, because what 

896
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:54,760
it feels like is that the that 
this end section is the middle 

897
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,520
section of the story he wanted 
to write. 

898
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,920
He wanted to write another 
ending that goes after that. 

899
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,200
He wanted blood knock to sort of
fling them off into another bit.

900
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,400
That's what it feels like to me.
I mean, I could be putting way 

901
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:14,600
too much on Spike Milligan and 
Larry Stevens head, but but I 

902
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,600
think that like I, I get the the
gag of him constantly saying 

903
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,240
fire. 
That's that's, that's good. 

904
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:25,840
And if it was in the middle of 
the show and it was resolved in 

905
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,400
some way, then that would be 
fine. 

906
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,680
But there's no resolution really
to it. 

907
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:36,000
And of course, you've got Spike 
doing his stereotypical Indian 

908
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,480
voice. 
Yeah. 

909
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,400
Yeah. 
Yeah, at least it wasn't Singe's

910
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:49,400
thing they mentioned. 
They mentioned General Gordon. 

911
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,280
Were you aware of General 
Gordon? 

912
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,320
No, I wasn't. 
Gordon, known as Gordon of 

913
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,840
Khartoum, he was like a, a 
British general who in the 

914
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,920
Victorian period and he led 
British forces in a lot of sort 

915
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,000
of regional or colonial 
hotspots. 

916
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,280
So he, he was, he, he was 
fighting in places like the 

917
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:21,080
Crimea, the Crimean War in 
China, Egypt and the Sudan as it

918
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,800
was known then. 
And that's where he died, that 

919
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,560
there was a seat, the seat siege
of Khartoum, which is where he 

920
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,760
met his end in 1885. 
And I just want to read this 

921
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,120
bit, read a little bit about 
him. 

922
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,960
And one of his biographers wrote
of him. 

923
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,600
He was a violent manic figure, 
an extreme egotist, A repressed 

924
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,680
homosexual disgusted by his own 
inclination, and one who 

925
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,520
translated his disgust into a 
violence manic in its 

926
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,560
manifestation and characterized 
him as a as a sadist. 

927
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,960
And he personally administered 
both corporal and capital 

928
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,960
punishment and kept the heads of
executed criminals on his desk. 

929
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:17,560
What's your comment on that? 
Sorry, if for a second it felt 

930
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,960
like for some reason I was the 
British colonial spokesperson, 

931
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,280
then it's would you like to 
comment on that? 

932
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,080
What? 
As if I am in some way 

933
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,320
responsible for the British 
colonial machine? 

934
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,240
Oh no. 
Yeah, it's just, it's just. 

935
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,600
I mean, he sounds like a laugh, 
don't he? 

936
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,120
Doesn't he? 
Yeah. 

937
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,760
I don't quite know what the, you
know, it says about the 

938
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,560
repressed homosexuality and all 
that sort of thing. 

939
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,960
It's kind of suggesting that 
that is what caused him to be 

940
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,160
the way he was. 
But I mean, the thing about it 

941
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,160
is that the fact that they like,
they lead with that as like in 

942
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,320
the list of slurs, they lead 
with that. 

943
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,840
Yes, yes. 
Oh dear. 

944
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,720
I mean, I suppose, yeah. 
One of the things, the thing 

945
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:09,480
about the Goon show, I suppose, 
is not that they actually talked

946
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,960
about what this man did, but the
thing about the green shows, I 

947
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,920
suppose you can't really divorce
it from it's time. 

948
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:16,760
And especially the military 
references. 

949
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,360
I, you know, I have to sort of 
stop myself and remember that 

950
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:25,200
they all served in the Army. 
And, you know, there's a lot of 

951
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,040
references there that are just 
going to be a little bit lost on

952
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:34,720
me from time to time. 
Yeah, also Aldous Huxley gets a 

953
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:37,360
mention. 
I did hear that and I thought 

954
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,240
that's a bit specific and you 
could hear a couple of people in

955
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:43,720
the audience had a bit of a 
whoop and you thought, oh, 

956
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,400
there's one in tonight. 
Fans are in. 

957
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,360
Tonight, he's in. 
Tonight. 

958
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,240
I went to school with a with a 
boy called Elders. 

959
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,720
OK. 
Whose parents were old hippies, 

960
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,760
So. 
So I guess they must have been 

961
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,400
fans of the Doors of Perception 
or something. 

962
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,920
Like that's where they're named,
named him Elders. 

963
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,360
But yeah, it's just, it's just 
the throwaway reference to 

964
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,120
Elders, actually, which doesn't 
really get developed at all. 

965
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,720
Yeah, yeah, I do love a good 
throwaway line. 

966
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,720
I like when Echoes comes through
the door and there's a 

967
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,480
smattering of applause and Spike
counts how many people are 

968
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,960
clapping. 
Yes, because it's not used to 

969
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,320
it. 
It's normally Blue Bottle gets 

970
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,120
the gets the applause echoes 
does sometimes, but but not very

971
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,200
often. 
Yeah, and and you do get a 

972
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:41,160
slight very unusual moment of, 
of, of slight Echols irritation 

973
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,640
when he says 8 inches, is it 
very big, you know, bottle? 

974
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,480
I, I, I think as far as gags 
that I like, but I think again, 

975
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,280
the, the start of the story, the
start of the episode is really 

976
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,840
strong. 
And I I do love the little back 

977
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:04,480
and forth between Henry and Min 
and the you never know who it 

978
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,360
might not be. 
I'd better see who isn't there. 

979
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:13,360
That that joke is really just 
very fun writing. 

980
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,840
I remember when I first heard 
the show and the bit about the 

981
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,680
cat wants to go out. 
What makes you think that is 

982
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,880
just put his hat? 
In Cat on. 

983
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,160
I remember thinking that's the 
most hilarious joke I've ever 

984
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,120
heard, but it's it's just, it's 
just a variation of one of those

985
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,360
whorey old musical jokes. 
Right. 

986
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,240
Absolutely. 
Put the cat, put the cat out. 

987
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,640
Why he's on fire, you know, it's
just. 

988
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,880
Well, a lot of, I mean, I mean, 
I don't want to just, I don't 

989
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,040
want to sort of bring the Goon 
Show down. 

990
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,120
But quite a lot of what they do 
is just bands. 

991
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:53,360
It is just bands. 
I just for as an audiophile, as 

992
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,920
I say, you know, I do a bit of 
sound engineering. 

993
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,120
I want to know from a production
standpoint what they were doing 

994
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:06,240
for Cron writing at the 
beginning of the episode. 

995
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,800
It sounds like someone ripping 
paper. 

996
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,640
And it sounds to me like someone
has got a quill and is literally

997
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,640
scraping it across a microphone 
and. 

998
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,760
And commissioners for oaths, 
such an antiquated job title, 

999
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,560
but people still, you still get 
commissioners for oaths, I think

1000
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,160
to this day. 
Well, I mean, people still sell 

1001
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,600
off. 
People still sell off debts to 

1002
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,440
be collected, you know, by 
someone else. 

1003
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,600
I mean, I'm not sure they do it 
with rents as much as, I mean, 

1004
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,920
these days they send a boys 
round, don't they? 

1005
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,440
You know they send around the 
bailiffs. 

1006
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,680
Do you know what I didn't check?
I meant to check. 

1007
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,920
I'm wondering if the around this
time, 57, there was a 

1008
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:52,360
controversial landlord called, 
can't remember his first name, 

1009
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,560
but his surname was Rachman. 
And he, he owned all these sort 

1010
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:02,920
of slum tenements in London and 
was really sort of squeezing 

1011
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,120
the, the tenants for rent and 
stuff like that. 

1012
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,760
And it became quite scandalous 
just in terms of the condition 

1013
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,720
of these these dwellings and 
that the money that he was 

1014
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,920
extorting from the, from the 
tenants and that sort of thing. 

1015
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,440
I'm wondering whether that was 
perhaps in the news around this 

1016
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,280
time as well, because that. 
Very possibly I. 

1017
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:26,200
Mean the the name Rachman has 
has gone gone down as as being 

1018
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,720
sort of shorthand for for a 
conniving landlord type person 

1019
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,440
you know well, I think I think 
Richie calls his landlord 

1020
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,800
Rachman in an episode of Boston 
and 40 years later. 

1021
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,040
I was watching, I was watching 
the first live show of that the 

1022
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,360
other night. 
It still stands up. 

1023
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,640
Funny enough I was talking to a 
friend about that. 

1024
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,920
The other just the other day we 
were watching something together

1025
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,440
and it had a what was it we were
watching? 

1026
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,960
Can't remember but it had a blow
up doll. 

1027
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,480
Sex doll. 
Yeah. 

1028
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,680
And it looked exactly like 
Monica. 

1029
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,200
The first bottom stage. 
It's it's. 

1030
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,200
Funny, isn't it? 
It's it's I mean, probably for 

1031
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,280
the best. 
It's it's it's stopped being a a

1032
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,600
sight gag. 
But in comedy shows it was it 

1033
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,840
used to pop up all the time. 
Did I mean, even in red dwarf 

1034
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,680
they did a an inflatable woman 
gag. 

1035
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,400
Oh. 
It's in Only Fools and Horses. 

1036
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,920
There's a, there's a whole bunch
of them. 

1037
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:25,680
Yeah, instead. 
Of only fools and horses. 

1038
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:33,000
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's funny. 
There's a great, there's a great

1039
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,160
podcast called Betwixt the 
Sheets with Doctor Kate Lister. 

1040
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,840
And she did a great episode on 
It's all about sex. 

1041
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,200
And she did a great episode on 
inflatable dolls. 

1042
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,840
And she said there's this myth 
that people think that they were

1043
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:51,240
invented by sailors at sea in 
the 18th century. 

1044
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,560
She's like, the truth is far 
more banal. 

1045
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,920
The sailors were much more happy
to have sex with one another 

1046
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:01,920
than they needed a doll to. 
Wasn't there, Wasn't there, you 

1047
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,920
know, the whole thing about 
mermaids, Wasn't there something

1048
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,520
about sailors? 
Oh, God, this, this. 

1049
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,160
Because this is really. 
It's gone, it's gone off the 

1050
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,640
goons. 
I know the only mermaids I know 

1051
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,680
were from freak shows where they
would, they would stick a 

1052
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,760
mummified cat to a preserved 
fish and call it a mermaid. 

1053
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,280
And yeah, yeah, yeah. 
It was fake taxidermy. 

1054
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,840
They'd tour it round with, you 
know, that sort of freak shows 

1055
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,520
of the, the, you know, the early
20th century, that's like, well,

1056
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,480
sorry, late 19th century. 
By the time the earlier 20th 

1057
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,800
century came round, it sort of 
died off a bit. 

1058
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,560
I would think the. 
Thing about say I said about the

1059
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,200
sailors and the mermaids, I'm 
sure, I'm sure there's some 

1060
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:53,600
story back in the day, back in 
the old days, sailors doing 

1061
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:58,400
stuff with manatees. 
I know that sailors used to say 

1062
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,800
that the manatees were really, 
really attractive because they 

1063
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,600
have sort of skin coloured and 
they've got big, apparently they

1064
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,040
have big breasts. 
I mean, I've watched many nature

1065
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,040
documentaries and that they've 
not really, they've not turned 

1066
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,960
me on or anything, you know. 
And Stephen Fry goes, oh, you 

1067
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,400
can see why. 
And you go, really, Stephen, can

1068
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,080
you? 
Sorry, listen this we've really,

1069
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,560
really stumbled off the path. 
We have, We have. 

1070
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,200
I think what I was going to say 
was, yeah, it it's very possible

1071
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:32,240
that they were making light of a
real issue of, you know, rents, 

1072
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,840
the taking of rents being sold 
on. 

1073
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:40,000
Because let's face it, this is, 
this is still, it's 1957. 

1074
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,880
It's it's not, it's still just 
post war Britain, right? 

1075
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,600
Rationing's not like not done 
yet. 

1076
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,120
Well, I mean, it's done. 
I think by that point it was, I 

1077
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,000
think it was 54, the end of 
rationing totally, I think. 

1078
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,440
Yeah, so I mean, they're still 
living with these things. 

1079
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,640
But one of my favourite facts of
all is that during the period 

1080
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,160
that the Second World War was 
on, there was more crime in 

1081
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,800
Britain than at any other point 
in its history, which in large 

1082
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,440
part has led to the career of 
Anthony Horowitz. 

1083
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,800
Oh, right, the the the the the 
writer. 

1084
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,160
Yes, the man who wrote Foyle's 
War, is it? 

1085
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,760
Someone told him that oh, 
there's more crime in Britain 

1086
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,840
during the second war than any 
other time and he just went 

1087
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,520
right. 
OK, I'll get 7 Series out of 

1088
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,200
this. 
OK, wasn't Frank Frankie Fraser 

1089
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,640
like a major criminal during the
war? 

1090
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,440
They were all over the place. 
I'm not sure about Frankie 

1091
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,640
Fraser specifically. 
Sure he was. 

1092
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,280
I'm just, I'm just, I'm just 
staring back to manatees, by the

1093
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,200
way. 
Not just a manatee floating 

1094
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,840
through your vision. 
Well, no, no, I'm just, it's 

1095
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,320
just there's a reference to 
Neddy inflating his Mae W Did 

1096
01:04:55,320 --> 01:05:01,160
you get that reference? 
I, I heard it when it came past 

1097
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,080
and it took me a little what it,
it's one of those things where 

1098
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,600
I'm not a native, not a native 
cockney, but eventually sort of 

1099
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,040
your brain switches on the 
rhyming slang filter and you go,

1100
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:16,160
ah. 
So what did you think of a Mae W

1101
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,840
was? 
I assumed it's his life 

1102
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,440
preserver, his vest. 
Mae W Vest, yeah. 

1103
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,920
Yeah, but I think, I don't think
it's Cockney Ramystang. 

1104
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,320
I think it's because it it, it's
like it's an inflatable. 

1105
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,920
Life, of course. 
The chest. 

1106
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,760
Expands. 
Of course. 

1107
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,120
Expansion. 
Gang see now, yeah, there's the 

1108
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,200
yeah, that leads into the the 
other gag there for a second. 

1109
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,200
Then when you said that, I 
thought, well, it's not Polari 

1110
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:45,120
or something, is it? 
Are you a big fan of Julian and 

1111
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,400
Sandy? 
Hello, I'm Julian. 

1112
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,040
This is my friend Sandy. 
I I love Julian's. 

1113
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,320
Yes, So it's a boner decor, 
darling. 

1114
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,440
We'll put we'll shove a couple 
of creepers up your trellis. 

1115
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,760
Who's? 
That lurking behind that potted 

1116
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:00,840
palm. 
Oh, hello. 

1117
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,640
I'm Julian and this is my friend
Sam. 

1118
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:14,160
Thank you. 
But why are you hiding? 

1119
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,000
It's not like you 2 to be shy. 
Don't be strange. 

1120
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,560
It's Jewel. 
Mr. Owen. 

1121
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,560
He's worried about his social 
bloomers. 

1122
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:30,920
The elastic. 
Gun I I love Julian Sandy and I 

1123
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,720
I love Polari. 
I know a little bit of it. 

1124
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:38,800
I I talked about it on Lord of 
Adams Black as well because I I 

1125
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,880
did the episode of Blackadder 
with Kenneth Connor and. 

1126
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,720
Hugh Paddock. 
Hugh Paddock, yes, the great. 

1127
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,840
It's a great Hugh Paddock. 
And how you, you, you almost 

1128
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,960
feel like you want it to be 
Kenneth Williams and Hugh 

1129
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,800
Paddock, but that would have 
been too much. 

1130
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,960
Kenneth Connor plays imperious 
in that absolutely beautifully. 

1131
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,840
Yeah, Kenneth Williams would 
have been perfect, though you 

1132
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,200
say too much. 
I mean, it was what, the year 

1133
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,680
before he died. 
So he, he, he could have, he 

1134
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,160
could have appeared in it, but I
wonder whether he was even 

1135
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,080
considered. 
I wonder whether he would even 

1136
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:23,360
have been well enough. 
I mean, from the what I've, you 

1137
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:28,080
know, from what I've read from 
his Diaries and you know that 

1138
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:35,320
not bad docudrama biopic with 
Michael Sheen. 

1139
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:38,640
Yeah. 
Yeah, that was all right. 

1140
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,560
I liked it better than the 
Steptoe and Son One, but it's 

1141
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,720
yeah, he he was not a happy man 
towards the end. 

1142
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,800
But as I said on the show, it 
was one of those things where I 

1143
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,960
didn't actually connect Hugh 
Paddock being in Blackadder with

1144
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,800
Hugh Paddock being in Round the 
Horn, which I had listened to 

1145
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:02,760
religiously and which is Julian 
Sandy largely stands up quite a 

1146
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:07,920
lot of the rest of Round the 
Horn does not like the the 

1147
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,480
fiendish, the fiendish villain 
Chuen Ginsburg. 

1148
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,200
You're offending so many people 
at once there. 

1149
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:26,399
And and his lovely, his lovely 
assistant Lotus Blossom that had

1150
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:31,800
June Whitfield in it, didn't it?
It's one of the well, Betty. 

1151
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,520
Marsden, Betty Marsden was, I 
don't know, June Whitford may 

1152
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,640
have been in. 
I'm not an expert on on that, 

1153
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,920
but. 
See, and Betty Marsden just 

1154
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,479
takes me straight to when, 
what's his name? 

1155
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,120
Graham Chapman was having a 
nervous breakdown in a hotel. 

1156
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,439
He was running up and down a 
corridor, yelling Betty Marsden 

1157
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,520
as quickly as he could. 
I think I've read that. 

1158
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,080
Is that in the Palin Diaries? 
I think it is in the Palin 

1159
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:01,439
Diaries. 
Yeah. 

1160
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,479
And he would slip little notes 
on the door saying love, Betty 

1161
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,920
and he was not another man who 
was not a happy Bunny. 

1162
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,319
Yeah, she now Betty Marsden has 
got to be one of the greatest 

1163
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:17,520
one off characters in Carry On 
History. 

1164
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:23,240
She she's that that woman of the
annoying laugh in Is it Carry On

1165
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:24,080
Camping. 
She's in. 

1166
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,240
As she said, it wasn't I've seen
carry on camping. 

1167
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:32,319
Terry Scott's wife. 
How have we got on to this? 

1168
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:33,080
Right. 
I don't know. 

1169
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:37,040
It's one of those things. 
I mean I yeah, if you want some 

1170
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,760
goon show rewind. 
Well, I think, I think, I think 

1171
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,240
to be fair, we've kind of we've 
kind of covered it with the main

1172
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:51,279
points and and I really want to 
thank you Karen for for bringing

1173
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,279
so much interesting conversation
to this. 

1174
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:58,480
Show thank you for having me. 
I podcast, so I, I'm, I'm also, 

1175
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:04,840
I'm also disabled and it can, I 
can struggle with getting doing 

1176
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,240
the work I want to do a lot of 
the time. 

1177
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,240
And I love being asked to do 
other people's podcasts because 

1178
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,280
it's great because you get to do
all the fun stuff of talking 

1179
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:16,080
without having to sit for 8 
hours and edit through and do 

1180
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,280
production and things like that.
So thank you do. 

1181
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,920
You mind me asking in what way 
you're disabled? 

1182
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,120
No. 
SO in a word, I'm not entirely 

1183
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:28,560
sure. 
So I have a neurological 

1184
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:33,720
disorder that I the the public 
health system in Australia is 

1185
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,560
shocking. 
So I've been waiting for about a

1186
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:42,440
year now to see a neurologist. 
But basically my basically I 

1187
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:47,520
suffer from her like chronic 
fatigue, lots of nerve pain. 

1188
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,480
I have difficulty, I have 
difficulty walking. 

1189
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,080
I can't walk without a walking 
stick and the rest of the time I

1190
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,440
have to use a wheelchair. 
So, and this has been the last 

1191
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:58,800
couple of years that this has 
happened so. 

1192
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,600
Yeah. 
So you were perfectly fit and 

1193
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,680
then suddenly it just kind of. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1194
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,200
Yeah, exactly. 
Anything to do with COVID, 

1195
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,520
nothing to do with. 
COVID, Well, possibly my my 

1196
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:14,000
doctor has said that apparently 
research is being done in the 

1197
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:19,960
UK, in the US about how long 
COVID can cause neurological 

1198
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:25,400
illnesses similar to Ms. And 
yeah, so they've thrown up, you 

1199
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,360
know, they've thrown out a lot 
of things. 

1200
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,120
Basically this. 
The thing is, we don't know, it 

1201
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,520
could be Ms. could be 
Parkinson's, could be this, 

1202
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:33,640
could be that. 
And. 

1203
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,840
But basically, yeah. 
So, yeah. 

1204
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,040
So I have to pick and choose 
what I do these days, which is a

1205
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,200
bit of a bugger, but I'm 
getting, I'm getting better at 

1206
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:48,000
working around the things that, 
you know, I want to do. 

1207
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,440
I'm doing more writing than I 
ever used to, which is nice 

1208
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:55,320
because that's something I can 
do in my wheelchair at my desk 

1209
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,880
or in my armchair or something. 
So that's so that's nice. 

1210
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,000
Good. 
Well, I hope that that there 

1211
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,640
could be some sort of treatment 
for you, obviously. 

1212
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,600
He's he's hoping. 
Yeah. 

1213
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:11,400
I used to walk about 5 KS a day 
before this happened and now 

1214
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,000
nowadays, Yeah, I know, but 
that's fine. 

1215
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,960
At least you know, I'm still 
able to do things I want to do 

1216
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,200
like this. 
And Lord about is Black and any 

1217
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,920
other podcasts. 
I mean, I was on another. 

1218
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,160
I was on a Doctor Who podcast a 
couple of weeks ago. 

1219
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,600
I get around a bit. 
Good. 

1220
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,840
It doesn't seem to see if it 
was. 

1221
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,400
If it had been me, I think I'd 
have been an, I'd have had the 

1222
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:38,280
black dog on a permanent basis. 
But you, you, you sound very 

1223
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,560
upbeat. 
You sound very you know you're 

1224
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,840
not letting it get you down 
which. 

1225
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,320
Is, I mean, look, that's you're 
catching me on a good day. 

1226
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,480
OK, All right. 
But yeah. 

1227
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,880
But yes, no, thank you so much 
for having me. 

1228
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,160
It has been an absolute 
pleasure. 

1229
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,080
And it's just been really nice 
rediscovering the Goon Show. 

1230
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,520
Just listening, really listening
to the Goon Show again on Blue 

1231
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,200
Sky again, because I'm a Doctor 
Who fan. 

1232
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,360
I follow the writer, Eddie 
Robson, who I know you've had on

1233
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:10,120
the show before, yes. 
And literally just yesterday he 

1234
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,360
posted that he was listening to 
this story. 

1235
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,080
So I feel like he's going to 
then listen to this episode. 

1236
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,120
So I hope he and anyone else who
listened enjoyed what I had to 

1237
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,560
say about it. 
Well, he came on game part to 

1238
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,320
talk about Wings over Dagenham, 
which was the other shows. 

1239
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,320
It was wonderful. 
So there's that. 

1240
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:31,960
What's the word? 
Synchronicity? 

1241
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:32,680
I don't know. 
Yeah. 

1242
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,680
Karen Lissabe. 
It's been a fun conversation. 

1243
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,160
So take care and we'll speak 
again all. 

1244
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:41,240
Right. 
Thanks so much. 

1245
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,920
Where be that there Blackbird 2 
hoi no where he be. 

1246
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:51,360
He knows hoi nose. 
He knows hoi that Blackbird 2 

1247
01:13:51,600 --> 01:14:04,080
up, that words are free. 
Well, thank you very much. 

1248
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,200
Very kind of you, but save it 
for the hanging if you don't 

1249
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:06,480
mind.