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Hello and welcome to game pot 
this week. 

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My guest is the voice actor, 
comedian and radio restore Keith

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Wickham, Keith. 
And I talked about his long and 

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affectionate relationship with 
the Goon show. 

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And with radio comedy in 
general, and about a newly 

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discovered Hancock episode 
featuring Peter Sellers who 

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stood in at the last minute, for
Kenneth Williams, Keith has been

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making a documentary to 
accompany the broadcast of this 

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Hancock show on Radio 4 and we 
talked about that and his many 

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years work. 
Breathing new life into hundreds

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of old classic Radio comedy 
shows through loving restoration

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work. 
So I hope you enjoy the 

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conversation. 
So Keith, thank you for joining 

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me. 
Pleasure of course among other 

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things. 
You you're very very 

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accomplished and very busy voice
artist and performer as just 

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looking at your IMDb page. 
Yes do you ever actually have a 

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holiday huh? 
Yes I do. 

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It's good it's got its workers. 
Got thinner recently for lots of

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reasons but Thomas and Friends 
future. 

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I'd had it for years and that 
finished for me. 

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They changed the format. 
But I did that for 12 years, I 

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was the fat controller and 
Gordon and Henry and Edward and 

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all kinds of things for that. 
That was a great gig. 

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I'm still in the Octonauts, 
which is going strong and other 

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than that, yes, I've just done 
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cartoons. 
Mmm. 

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But no. 
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okay. 
But nothing, like it was in The 

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Glory Days of the 90s and the 
early 2000s when I was Every 

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day, all day. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Ii-i've got two teenage kids. 
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Who I saw as you can imagine 
late, naughts. 

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I was sat often with them in 
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CBeebies and Thomas particularly
a, but also 64 Zoo Lane. 

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Oh yes. 
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I love that show. 
I was no, some, the elephant and

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various others and yeah, they'll
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I love that show. 
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Angelina. 
Lorena. 

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The secret. 
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that was one of my favs The 
Secret Show. 

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Yes. 
Just about the Angelina 

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Ballerina, my daughter. 
Yeah, she used to have that on 

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DVD copies of episodes of that. 
Yeah, right. 

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Well there's my credentials. 
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This so but I mean I'd we're 
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detail in terms of how you got 
into doing that sort of thing. 

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But one of the other sort of 
strings to your bow is the 

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restoration of old radio. 
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Which is pretty much the which 
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here, really, I suppose, because
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used to listen to the radio for 
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used to go and see radio shows, 
being recorded, a lot of Paris. 

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Hmm. 
And so, I went to burkas way and

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just a minute and I'm sorry, I 
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headlines and stuff a lot. 
And I used to dream of being on 

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the stage and doing, doing all 
that stuff, which is why I do 

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this. 
It's why I do my job and why I 

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do this audio restoration. 
And just recently, I managed to 

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meet a producer who was 
interested in it, and we've got 

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a program going out and Radio 4 
on the 13th about restoring 

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audio and stuff. 
Because I have spent an awful 

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lot of time and money on 
collecting restoring and 

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disseminating radio old radio 
and they started out with the 

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goons great, which is why You 
asked me on this, I think yes 

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because I got in touch with tech
Kendall in about the year 2000. 

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I think when he was starting out
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commissioned to do all that and 
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separately and and we sort of in
parallel in restoring the stuff.

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So I helped him, gave him stuff,
sent him stuff. 

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And obviously he did the work 
and he's got much. 

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Much more expensive kit than me 
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But it was, we were both doing 
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And, and on the site under my 
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I read that again. 
I restored all of those complete

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that took 10 years and that was 
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Was a real journey that one 
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Berkeley and getting it, is 
getting his scripts. 

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And his tapes for through a guy 
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him a credit because he was the 
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Touch and and I had that, that 
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that. 
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and I've done hundreds of other 
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seven as it was. 
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broadcast, I've restored and 
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So this is my other thing, my 
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Hmm. 
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of labors of Love really? 
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Absolutely. 
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And it's only recently it It's 
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actually sort of say anything 
about we'll talk about because 

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the documentary and a newly 
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triggered all this because 
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found this Hancock and it was 
and it's that that's made the 

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BBC to sit up and take notice 
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event, you know, once in a 
20-year event, yeah to find a 

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missing Hancock's half hour 
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he's in good quality, you know. 
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It's got Peter Sellers in it 
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See, I'm not, I'm not a huge 
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So that's that sort of pass me 
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the discovery of that man. 
Was Richard just it's in the 

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documentary this but he had a 
bachelor tapes and one day heard

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it and realized it was what it 
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Basically it because he's a 
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stuff. 
He just recognized it instantly 

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as a missing show. 
And it's going to go out on 

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radio for rather than for extra 
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interesting. 
Yeah, okay and it's the marriage

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bureau, by the way. 
It's cool. 

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So yeah, so the document. 
So if you're listening to this 

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podcast on the date goes out 
it's which is this going on the 

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12th of October, right? 
It's a 13th the day. 

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After this, your documentary 
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called. 
Raiders of the Lost Ark. 

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I've excellent. 
And I feel it's been used before

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that title bit, but yes. 
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through the the process of 
finding collecting restoring 

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audio radio shows and you speak 
to people like Ted. 

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Yeah, I've spoken to. 
Ted Spectrum are cares. 

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Who is a fantastic composer 
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Does all the Doctor Who 
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Workshop material, talk to his 
Roger, bcurtin who is The sort 

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of father of radio. 
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radio collector Circle, many 
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Steve Arnold who runs the radio 
circle now and Richard Harrison,

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who discovered the Hancock, 
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And in the meantime Liz clips of
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things. 
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Lauren Laverne involved towards 
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Tapes and in desert island discs
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She, she was fantastic. 
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adventure doing that show Mal 
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I think you told me Sellers 
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you but my my whole career is 
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Mr. Humphries he was you played 
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Yes, I'm with Bal hum, gateway 
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this as a example of parody and 
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And I think the whole assembly 
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for some reason, I mean my eyes,
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I couldn't take the thing, just 
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people with music, you know, we 
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asked him to borrow this album, 
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really. 
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did that. 
And he let me, he lent me his 

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album, which was a prized 
possession of his and original 

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pressing, you know, and and I 
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school, and I sat and listened 
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again after, like it the nerd, I
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voices and I remembered it all 
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Mmm. 
And it just got me hooked. 

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And, and then a another friend 
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And I heard the last goon show 
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pudding hurler because they came
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Yeah, in the 70s and we're going
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this must have been seventy 
seven ish 78. 

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Eighth round about there. 
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that was all. 
I did really. 

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I just collected this stuff and 
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And then radio for you stand, 
ready? 

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For because they'd repeat the 
goons and Hancock and round the 

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horn, and round the horn in 
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I really enjoyed when I was a 
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It's more accessible than the 
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got me into the goons with 
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Wasn't it wasn't the writing 
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initially. 
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couldn't quite believe he did 
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I couldn't quite believe it was 
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astonishing range he had and how
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single thing was right. 
He did that was not a no out 

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place with him. 
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there and what I found because I
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heat of yeah fan Obsession. 
When I discovered the goons, I'm

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a Maybe eight or nine years 
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discovered them in the late 80s 
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growing up in New Zealand, they 
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radio station so I could very 
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recordings and also was buying 
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commercial releases and just 
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was even before I joined the 
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archive. 
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television. 
As for getting the sellers films

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and taping them off the Telly, 
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teenager without a very, a 
particularly critical eye if you

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like without without having 
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If you like or whatever you want
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that I'm revisiting them 30 odd 
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sellers on film. 
I'm realizing now how much of a 

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fantastic actor. 
He was. 

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Yes he was. 
He was an extraordinary. 

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Actor. 
I he's one of the best we've 

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ever produced, I think, in terms
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he had a unique career, I think,
because it was only him and 

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Terry Thomas, I think it came 
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went into films and ended up as 
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that's, that's a really unusual 
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and sellers was the egg. 
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he didn't ever get to the A-list
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That's so Heights that sellers 
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I think I'm right was unique in 
that and he could, he was Adept 

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at physical comedy and verbal 
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Is a rare combination because 
some of his being Panther 

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routines, you know some of the 
physical routines in that are 

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again. 
They're stunning, they're just 

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breathtaking. 
He's he is absolutely brilliant.

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The problem I have with sellers 
is what the more you find out 

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about him as a person. 
The less you like him and you 

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wouldn't want to know the guy, 
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have been around him, but his, 
his performances were Universal.

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They were he made some very bad 
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bad in them. 
That's right. 

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He couldn't help be funny. 
There was this, he had a thing 

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and, and it's and the problem is
it was it was because he was a 

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bit troubled. 
That his performances were so 

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good and I think he raises an 
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celebrity. 
How much do we demand of people 

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who entertain us, you know, 
because really he needed help, 

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you know? 
Yes, he did, you needed, see, 

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need to psychiatric help, but he
never got it. 

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So he was a he was not very nice
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accepted that and he knew that. 
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deteriorated if it had been 
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The question and do we demand 
too much of these people that we

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want them to be entertaining for
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personalized or a car crash. 
It's a very I've always found 

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him fascinating on that level 
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them. 
I mean Hancock is another one. 

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Yes, deeply troubled and 
self-destructive but brilliant, 

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absolutely. 
And and sellers even if it's a 

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cameo role in a film like yeah, 
the wrong box. 

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He turns out he's a he's got 
about seven minutes at. 

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Oh yeah. 
Yeah, it's a master class. 

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It's a masterpiece of acting. 
And it's beautiful. 

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It's it, he's just, it's 
hilarious and no matter how many

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times you watch it. 
It's hilarious. 

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It's the best bit of the film. 
Actually, to be honest, it is. 

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It is Hancock Hancock's in that 
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Brahms and Liszt I think. 
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drink, sellers, never had that. 
He was lucky, he wasn't an 

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alcoholic. 
He didn't do drugs, you know, he

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was in every other. 
Respect stable, but he's just, 

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he was his Psychology was just 
peculiar and difficult but know 

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how I did that, the Hancock 
predictor is, is a horrible one 

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to watch sellers. 
At least his second from last 

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film was brilliant. 
You know, at least right at the 

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end, he pulled out being there. 
Yeah, which is great on any 

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level his performance in that, 
but then he's a few men to, 

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which is terrible. 
It's awful film. 

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And I have to say on a little 
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One of my colleagues that I work
with four years ago, Bob Seca 

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who's a singer and an 
impressionist. 

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He dubbed sellers last ever 
appearance on a film, through 

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Manchu was doing an Elvis. 
Yes, I remember. 

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Yes. 
And it's and it's Bob Seeker. 

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It's not sellers because sellers
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wouldn't do it. 
Not really sure. 

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But he was very ill at that 
point and it may well have been.

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He wasn't very good and When I 
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couple of months ago, he 
mentioned you by name. 

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Hmm. 
And and I heard it said that 

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your you are a fantastic 
impressionist in terms of Peter 

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Sellers, you can. 
Well, I see, this is what I 

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started out doing. 
It sitting on my bedroom, who, 

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what it means, what ington minj,
and all of that stuff. 

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Yes. 
And and that sketch I got to 

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say, if I had a desert island 
discs, that would be the top of 

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the list, would be that sketch 
that particular scale. 

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I'll let you know. 
We'll let you know. 

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It's it's brilliant. 
It's years ahead of its time. 

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It's fantastically made George 
Martin. 

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Did It produced it. 
And and it's when you think it 

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was done on a two track machine 
and sellers had to do three 

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parts. 
They you hear it and you could 

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play it on this podcast as an 
example, but there's the 

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microphone is set in the stores 
of an auditorium and you hear 

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the actor coming on in the 
distance Begin, as soon as you 

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like base 10. 
Did you start as soon as you can

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please we're in a hurry. 
We have a lot of people to see 

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right. 
I prepared didn't hear me. 

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Yes I prepared a short short 
extract from the Richard the 

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third Soliloquy which I do for 
you because if you don't mind I 

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would read the script. 
My eyes, I could not all good as

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it is and I like kind of all 
rubric but how about I do this? 

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But my memory is into also what 
it Who was of a I do. 

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Remember some of it, be as quick
as you can. 

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Would you, please? 
And you hear them, two of them, 

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did the producer I guess in the 
casting director, whoever 

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sitting talking in the 
auditorium as this guy's, is 

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this old actor clearly on his 
last legs and clearly desperate 

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for work in the background. 
Because you realize, I'll read 

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my memory isn't quite what it 
was. 

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All of that stuff and it's that,
it's when they're going, do they

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find them? 
It's that thing. 

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Hurry, off the clothes miles, 
you know, that he can't hear, 

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and as he's acting, They're 
talking about picking up some 

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girl. 
You forgotten it all now. 

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No, he's not here. 
They were just watching some 

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auditions and it's so realistic 
and it's so it's so beautifully 

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done. 
And then when it's over, I'm 

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sorry and they get some he's 
tried, you know, is that I love 

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all that, it was so Deft and so 
well-acted and beautifully 

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recorded, you know, it that one 
caught me even as a kid, I 

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remember hearing that. 
Yes, and thinking this is just, 

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it's so good. 
It was, it wasn't broad comedy. 

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There was no punch line, you 
know, he just walks off an 

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example, where that doesn't 
work, you know, the sellers 

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talking to Self. 
If I felt was the, the sketch 

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with the television interviewer,
who's interviewing, I think it's

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an MP or meant to be an MP and 
he didn't, he's not letting him 

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get a word in edgeways and it 
sound, it just doesn't sound 

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natural feel though. 
No, I know the one. 

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You mean the one where he's 
implying that he's gay 

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homosexual. 
Yes, yes. 

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Know that? 
I know, I know exactly. 

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Which one you mean? 
Yes, that didn't quite work. 

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Did it? 
No for some reason. 

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Yes. 
But that was even that wasn't 

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bad. 
You know, that none of them were

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Appalling know it's just it just
slightly didn't work. 

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Did it? 
Am I not right in thinking that 

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you are? 
In fact I hope I'm afraid I'm 

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not. 
And is it not also true that you

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are lifelong member of the 
Communist party? 

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I want to say right here, my man
here is you've not Ah-Ha moment.

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Now you are you, are you not a 
prank? 

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I'm sorry, my dear fellow. 
I must tell you right away. 

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I'm not seeing the harp coming 
up for sale, you know, and never

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get to heaven. 
That one. 

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Yes yes is that came up for 
sale? 

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The heart that was used in that 
sketch. 

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Okay. 
Was on eBay as thrown on the 

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floor by Jorge Martinez. 
Yeah I'll show you where they 

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were in playing a bomb load or 
not. 

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That's fantastic. 
Yes I used to do. 

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I used to sit and listen to him 
and sort of in all really and I 

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remember there's a there's a set
of acetates. 

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That he did when he was 
rehearsing at home in the 40s. 

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Have you heard that those 
haven't he? 

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He how he had a recorder that a 
discounted from? 

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Yes, a disc cutter. 
That's the one. 

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And there's a bob monkhouse 
sketch on there. 

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They do, they do a sketch about 
him in a used car salesman with 

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Bob monkhouse. 
And he does an impression of Bob

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monkhouse at the end, which is 
stunning. 

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It's like, you know, it just 
think. 

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How does he do this? 
And he had a whole sketch, you 

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did it. 
Ma, and The few other bits and 

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pieces and there was one where 
he was practicing and practicing

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a voice. 
And the first thing he ever did 

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in the film was a dubbing a 
Alfonso bedoya. 

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You know, it was who was a 
Mexican actor. 

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Yeah. 
Yes. 

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The guy was it, couldn't hear. 
You can tell what he was saying,

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so they got sellers in to dub 
him and he practice, you sit 

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there and practice this all day 
and it over and over and over 

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again. 
He does this Alfonso bedoya 

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voice and it turns up in foil by
President Fred. 

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I've always wondered where he 
got that voice from Alec 

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careless whines. 
I ran away that one, right? 

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Yeah. 
And I always wondered where he 

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got that from and that was what 
it was. 

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It was Alfonso bedoya. 
He was like that and he was all,

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you know, yes. 
And it's just nothing like 

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you've ever heard anything ever.
There's nothing of value. 

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Cut off their hair to make a 
pillow for my feet. 

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I will have something for my 
trouble. 

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I have already made such a 
search that was only this of 

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value. 
I kept it for just such a 

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moment. 
How do you saw the Cowardly 

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swans? 
I ran away. 

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They're frightened of eel heiner
elastin wheeler, he his voice, 

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his Noble speaking voice, Which 
is true. 

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He wasn't born with no. 
It wasn't grow up with that 

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particular voice. 
That he that yes, yes, yes. 

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Why will he put on this sort of?
Yes, he spoke like this. 

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Didn't he had a sort of what? 
And Clive James turned it. 

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A newly-minted upper-class 
accent. 

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Yeah. 
Because he didn't want to appear

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on educated. 
He, I think he had an eternal 

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fear of being found out. 
Yes. 

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And he used to put himself on 
the same level as Alec Guinness 

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and all those people because He 
wanted to think of himself and 

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other people to think of him as 
a classical actor, which he 

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wasn't. 
But, in many ways, he was just 

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as good, I think it in, you 
know, without he didn't have the

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discipline to do theater and he 
didn't have the, you know, the 

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wherewithal to keep his own 
career on track, but he was as 

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good as those actors I think in 
terms of talent. 

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Oh yeah. 
And I loved his his Guinness. 

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You know, it's impression was 
Which he did on Parkinson, that 

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great story told in Parkinson's.
It goodness doesn't we're all 

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professionals. 
Two plates of can condemned 

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field condemned veal. 
Yes you mentioned right at the 

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beginning that you went to watch
things being recorded such as 

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well. 
Obviously not the goons but or 

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Hancock but just a minute. 
Oh yes and that was great. 

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Oh I love it just a minute was 
fabulous. 

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I went to see it when Kenneth 
Williams was still in it and 

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it's Clement, Freud, and Derek 
Nimmo and that lat. 

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Mmm in the late 70s and Williams
didn't stop moving. 

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One of the things that struck me
was first our small he was, and 

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secondly, he never stopped 
moving. 

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He was it or even a radio. 
The reason the audience is 

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laughing all the time is because
he's sporting around a spider. 

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Yeah. 
And his legs are everywhere 

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under the desk and outside the 
desk and he was outraged 

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everything and he'd make faces 
at the audience. 

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You know, instead, be halfway 
through, you could be doing a 

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monologue or something. 
If it's not like this, you know,

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somebody would somebody would 
press a button dog, how dare you

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mouth at the audience and it 
would get a huge laugh. 

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I mean much more than it would 
have done if it just gone, you 

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know, whatever. 
But it was that thing is you 

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never stopped. 
You see, just a little went on 

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and on and on, you know, and he 
would you look at the audience, 

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how dare you, you know, all this
stuff. 

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And I used to love all that and 
his mum used to get up. 

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She went Him. 
Yeah, Lou and so loo used to get

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up on stage with him afterwards.
All right. 

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I've listened to most of the 
yeah, existing recordings from 

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66. 
Yes. 

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Yes. 
And I went through a period 10 

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years ago, listening to the 
classic period. 

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So you Jones Williams? 
Yes, Freud. 

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And it's only when you listen to
them all sort of Benja, listen 

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that you realize that he's got. 
He's got his little catchphrase.

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He says the same things. 
Yeah. 

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I'm the biggest cult everyone's 
called, oh yes. 

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Comical ABS. 
Yes, that's right. 

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Yeah, I came all the way from 
yeah. 

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Once or twice special occasions.
He had mentioned. 

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He drop into conversation. 
Mordy fitted with fun with a 

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Frankfurter. 
Oh yes, yes. 

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He hesitated didn't? 
Yes, he was so excited, he 

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couldn't remember what it was 
Kenneth, you have a correct 

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challenge. 
Another point and 24 seconds on,

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stowaways starting. 
Now, most famous stowaway of all

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time was more detail with fun, 
with a Frankfurter, for the ship

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dressed as a sailor and nobody 
dreamed. 

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But underneath that, apparently 
rough usage with them in the 

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feminine form of Of new Bibles 
people, Tim has challenged you 

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leaving aside the fact that I've
never heard of this character. 

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She surely she comes out regular
in just a minute or any other 

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voice used to love doing when I 
was a kid. 

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My Grandpa took you know guess 
JP smelled, Grant buttock and 

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all of those Dash Clash each 
other thing with the yes with 

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the lisp and all of that got 
public appease mouth. 

450
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,400
Be a, he's about yes, yes, yes. 
And I was in around the horn 

451
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,100
Revisited that was another thing
I did. 

452
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,900
That was that was the broadcast 
that on bbc4, didn't? 

453
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,400
Yeah. 
The original production of it. 

454
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,900
Yes. 
And and then Robin Sebastian he 

455
00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:20,700
was Williams in. 
It got me in, he got me an 

456
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:24,800
audition for the show, okay? 
And I ended up doing Williams 

457
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:30,500
and Paddock, various points and 
it was so much fun. 

458
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:34,000
Because I knew the sketches, it 
was like, a Grown up with these 

459
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,100
things. 
Yes. 

460
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:41,100
So I can adjust it was a joy to 
do and so I, you know, I ended 

461
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:44,100
up doing these, you know, we 
will trolls of Yona, you know, 

462
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:46,100
the yeah. 
Yes, you're beautiful. 

463
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:48,400
And I know you knew and all 
those. 

464
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,300
And I don't also Julian and sand
easy, which I just thought it 

465
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:58,700
was so much fun, and it just to 
have that thick get the 

466
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:01,300
opportunity to actually do those
sketches in front of an audience

467
00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:07,000
properly was just You know, and 
that was got, it was a long time

468
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,200
ago. 
Now, 2004 I think. 

469
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,700
Yeah, when you were watching 
just a minute being recorded. 

470
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:16,200
Yeah. 
Because you get them pretty, 

471
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,600
obviously. 
Kenneth Williams is is a 

472
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,400
one-off. 
Yeah, but you get the impression

473
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:25,900
listening to it that that 
there's some genuine animosity 

474
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,600
or at least you get the 
impression that Nimmo really 

475
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:34,000
doesn't like Nicholas's. 
I think if probably get a bit of

476
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,300
Truth in that? 
Yes, I think so. 

477
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:39,700
I think so, I met Nimmo once and
Edinburgh. 

478
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:44,400
I was with another comedian and 
we sat, we were sat at a table. 

479
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Belinda restaurant. 
The only one available at Derek 

480
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,300
Nimmo is sitting there on his 
own and, and that the staff were

481
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:54,600
being really obsequious and 
because they, because he was 

482
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,100
still quite famous and and, and 
I knew who he was. 

483
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,400
But the guy I was with, didn't 
have no idea who this guy was 

484
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:05,000
and about 10 minutes into the 
conversation. 

485
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,200
This bloke said, he said, excuse
me. 

486
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,700
He said to during the recent, 
why the staff treating, you like

487
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:13,500
a king, you know, why they 
bowing and scraping? 

488
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:18,500
And he said II I have no idea, 
no idea, and and he got on with 

489
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:24,800
him really well because he 
wasn't being scrapie and bum 

490
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,800
like yeah, like the others and I
didn't really know how to deal 

491
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,600
with Nemo either, because he'd 
been a sort of a hero. 

492
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,600
You know, it's all grown up with
his voice on the radio and in 

493
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,100
films and things. 
And there was a show up at the 

494
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,500
time about Kenneth Williams and 
I was talking to him about this 

495
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:42,200
because he was up doing just a 
minute and this other guy was 

496
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,300
Australian and and so Nimmo. 
And he Because he was talking 

497
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:49,100
about your tools are used to do.
But what was extraordinary was 

498
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:53,800
sitting opposite, this man who 
had heard so often and he didn't

499
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,900
put this voice on. 
That was the thing. 

500
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,100
That is how we spoke. 
Okay, no. 

501
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,600
So this feels just like you know
like this whole time and I was 

502
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:08,400
astounded at the actually did 
speak like this you know? 

503
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,400
And you got that you get through
the day. 

504
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:13,500
I must take you five times 
longer than everyone else. 

505
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,900
Yeah. 
Yeah, because he was from Lucy 

506
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:19,200
sure he from something like 
highlighted in Liverpool's I 

507
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,800
think so I think so yes a lot of
them have put on you because 

508
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,100
they went and came up through 
rep. 

509
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:27,800
Yes. 
And they had their accents taken

510
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,400
away from them and very briefly 
as well because I can't let this

511
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,000
go. 
Clue watching, clue. 

512
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:37,200
Yeah. 
Oh that was early on that was in

513
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,400
the 80s early 80s and I was 
there. 

514
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,300
I can remember being there and 
I've looked this up. 

515
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,000
Because I've got all the 
recordings. 

516
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,100
I've got ya, a whole lot. 
Yeah, it's the first time 

517
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:53,700
Mornington Crescent was always 
on and the camp. 

518
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,500
I think I was the first one or 
near enough. 

519
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,100
The first would right at the 
beginning. 

520
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:01,400
Anyway, where nobody knew what 
the hell it was and, you know, 

521
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,900
and how it worked for the next 
game, which is the old favorite.

522
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:07,400
And a lot of people, I know, 
like to join him. 

523
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,300
This one is home Mornington 
Crescent. 

524
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,900
No special rules. 
Come into play, and this 

525
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:16,500
particular, and so, We'll start 
now with you. 

526
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:20,600
Tim brooke-taylor need some High
Street. 

527
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:43,300
Goose trailer. 
Chroma Road and he'll stand that

528
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:46,900
right. 
Yeah, definitely wins that game.

529
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:56,900
The audience is brilliant play. 
When they see it. 

530
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,900
Just burst into spontaneous 
Applause and what? 

531
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:04,100
Woody Rushton was a joy because 
he was the complete opposite of 

532
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:08,500
Williams Russian didn't move. 
He just sat there with his hands

533
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:15,100
across his belly and just talked
and he really liked Peter Cook, 

534
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:19,200
just sat there and there was 
almost no motion at all from 

535
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,400
him. 
He just sat there and did what 

536
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,300
he did. 
And said, you said what he said 

537
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:27,300
and he had a, I loved him. 
And he was, he was really funny.

538
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:31,500
The thing about clue that well 
Well, actually, the thing about 

539
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:37,200
the goodies as well, is how, our
people underestimate G, Gardens 

540
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,100
ability as a Graeme Garden is an
unsung genius. 

541
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:45,300
He, he's very quiet about it. 
He did, he did what he did. 

542
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:51,300
It's he's never stopped, working
and his scripts and his script 

543
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:54,900
editing skills a huge. 
Hmm, he's brilliant and he's 

544
00:32:54,908 --> 00:32:56,600
just quietly. 
Very, very good. 

545
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,800
He just his everything comes out
of his mouth is good. 

546
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,800
He's funny. 
He's just a funny man. 

547
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,600
And you know, you can't get away
from that. 

548
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,200
And what years and years ago 
when I discovered that bill, 

549
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,000
oddie, wrote, most of the 
goodies, you know, along with 

550
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,600
Graeme Garden. 
Because the weird thing is 

551
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,100
everyone. 
I spoke to says this bill, 

552
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:16,600
oddie, always was the third 
goody to us when we watched it 

553
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,400
on telly. 
He was always the one that you 

554
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,800
sort of because he didn't, I did
there was something about him. 

555
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,400
He did, I didn't want to be 
there or whatever, but he wrote 

556
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,400
it, you know, he wrote most of 
it and he wrote the songs. 

557
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,600
Hmm, you know, extraordinary, 
well, see I again I know that 

558
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,600
the goodies wasn't really 
repeated in this country. 

559
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:40,400
Hmm. 
Certainly the BBC goodies wasn't

560
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,100
done about the ITV series, But 
Me growing up again in New 

561
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:48,200
Zealand in the 80s. 
It was repeated all the time. 

562
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:53,800
Hmm. 
And so yeah, I loved it and when

563
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,600
I was, you know, when you're a 
kid at least with me and my 

564
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:07,800
peers at the time Bill was the 
Yeah, one that we grow up again 

565
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,500
and you think Graham and Tim. 
It's all about Graham and Tim. 

566
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:16,800
Yes, exactly the point. 
Yes, they did most of it but he 

567
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,699
wrote most of it. 
Hmm. 

568
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:21,199
When you find that out is it's 
breathtaking. 

569
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,000
I'm listening to, I'm sorry, I 
read that again as well. 

570
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,100
He did all these songs. 
Yes, two songs a week. 

571
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:31,199
You know, these are very good 
parodies and pastiches and every

572
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:32,900
every week, a different 
Arrangement and a different 

573
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:36,300
song. 
He was really very good at it 

574
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:38,600
and I do remember him being 
interviewed. 

575
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,300
He's a bit annoyed. 
He didn't end up as Randy 

576
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:44,100
Newman, you know that? 
Yeah, he really hear it? 

577
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:46,699
Yes, he really wanted to be a 
comedy song writer. 

578
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,500
That was, that was his kind of 
ambition, I think so. 

579
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,500
And I believe that you can, so 
obviously you decided that. 

580
00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:56,900
Well, you got it. 
When you're at school, you You 

581
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:58,500
were getting into radio comedy, 
the huge way. 

582
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:02,600
Yes, spurred on by listening to 
Sellers and you decided that you

583
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,700
wanted to become or you wanted 
to go to drama school and not 

584
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:07,700
yet become a surgeon. 
Yeah. 

585
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,900
Yeah. 
So it's surgeon was my first and

586
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:15,700
you'll notice I wanted to be a 
surgeon you know the guy who 

587
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:19,300
does the big stuff this are you 
know the man who stands there 

588
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:22,300
and tells everyone else what to 
do and does the operations? 

589
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,500
And so, yes, I did. 
That was my initial thing but I 

590
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,500
And I gave that up almost the 
instant. 

591
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:32,800
I found out I could go on stage 
and do what I did and because 

592
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,400
seven years medical training 
didn't appeal to me at all. 

593
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,800
And so I ended up going to drama
school. 

594
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,800
Yeah and I did lots of comedy 
and stand up and stuff and ended

595
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,100
up becoming a voice artist and 
it was around turn of the 

596
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:50,200
century that you began restoring
these good. 

597
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,200
Yes. 
Yeah. 

598
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,200
So tell me about that. 
How that came about in the 

599
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,300
process? 
Well, I just the thing was 

600
00:35:55,300 --> 00:36:00,500
because my job Is relatively 
well paid, but also gives me a 

601
00:36:00,508 --> 00:36:02,900
lot of spare time, I meant and 
eyes. 

602
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:05,600
I was always interested in audio
and always interested in the 

603
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,200
tech. 
I just bought the kit. 

604
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,300
I started to buy computers and I
started to buy the stuff and sit

605
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:14,700
there. 
Recording it editing it 

606
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:18,000
restoring it and I started to 
learn how to do this in about 

607
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,200
the year 2000 and gradually. 
As I've gone along obviously 

608
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,600
improved what I've got and 
improve the kit that I got and 

609
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,400
improve them. 
You know what I can do. 

610
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:33,900
And I bought a lot of tape decks
students and T acts and you know

611
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,800
all kinds of machines that I can
just run tapes off on and do 

612
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,400
professional stuff. 
You know, proper and the digital

613
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,900
audio converters that I bought 
were hugely expensive. 

614
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Otherwise, there's no point, you
know, you've got to do it 

615
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,300
properly and the software as 
well. 

616
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,800
You keep buying new software and
you keep improving it, blah, 

617
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,700
blah, blah, and and I Start. 
I did a lot of it. 

618
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:03,500
I mean a lot and tape off the 
tape after tape and records and 

619
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:07,700
stuff and it became a bit of a 
thing became an obsession, 

620
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:12,400
really a sideline thing. 
And I didn't ever take anything 

621
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,800
away from Ted because Ted was 
doing it properly as a job, but 

622
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,000
certainly did enough to be able 
to be on the same sort of level.

623
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:28,500
Yep. 
But not in terms of the Hit and 

624
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:30,900
I don't. 
All right, all I've done is 

625
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:34,500
Radio comedy programs. 
So I just done those. 

626
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:37,100
He has done tons of other stuff 
so he does records. 

627
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,800
He resorted a lot of Bing Crosby
material or Jazz material lot of

628
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,900
music and he does a lot more 
high-end stuff than I do it. 

629
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:48,700
So he does his old acetates and 
78 and whatever. 

630
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,400
Yeah, which are far far harder. 
And require much, much more 

631
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,400
complicated equipment when 
you're dealing with spoken word 

632
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,000
in your dictionary. 
Dealing with quarter-inch, tape 

633
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,900
and Records. 
It isn't quite as complicated 

634
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:03,500
and a lot of the tapes are in 
good Nick. 

635
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:05,800
Anyway. 
So all you're doing is putting 

636
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,900
the bit back, you know, you're 
just absolutely yeah. 

637
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,400
So where were you are messing? 
All this material from 

638
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:15,800
collectors. 
Okay, you know, I mean just, you

639
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,100
know, they'd come in the door. 
Once you said you're doing it. 

640
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,700
People just send stuff in. 
Yeah. 

641
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:23,700
And so I just get crates of this
stuff and and just run it off 

642
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,700
and running off and running off 
and I run off huge. 

643
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:29,000
Elections of stuff huge 
Collections. 

644
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,700
And for hundreds of tapes and 
in, there are going to be 

645
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:36,700
missing shows, you know, missing
bits of shows because a lot of 

646
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:41,100
the work that Ted did was 
putting the B back in the 

647
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:43,400
transcription service versions, 
that transcription service had 

648
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,800
taken out and you get them from 
off, are copies, mmm. 

649
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,900
And and if you're lucky, you get
good FM copies. 

650
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:53,800
But generally they're not and 
you can hear. 

651
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,200
You can hear it. 
Can't you? 

652
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,500
When you listen to it you can 
hear the After tape, dropping 

653
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:59,500
current the roof, you know. 
Yes. 

654
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,900
But that it at least we've done 
it. 

655
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:05,600
You know, at least it's done. 
You know? 

656
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,000
When I was a kid growing up, I 
would I dreamed of having the 

657
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,500
box sets of the goons that we've
got. 

658
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:15,800
Now, you know, where every 
single one has been restored and

659
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,100
you can any show that you want 
is there to listen to? 

660
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,700
And we've even got I think it's 
something like 18 of the fourth 

661
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:26,400
series. 
Now I must just while we're on 

662
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,700
this. 
Some of those shows were found 

663
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:35,700
by Steve Arnold and I remember 
he was on a doctor who site. 

664
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:39,200
He saw somebody saying that 
these discs as a pile of acetate

665
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,800
discs. 
That his father had left him 

666
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,300
well given him. 
And it is to father was a member

667
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:51,200
of a jazz club and in the 50s 
and he recorded not only Jazz 

668
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,100
but he recorded off are radio 
stuff and he had a gun shows. 

669
00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:02,100
And this was again this is going
back, but we went up myself and 

670
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:05,600
Steve went up to this guy's 
house in the Midlands and we 

671
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,800
took these discs away and when I
went through them, there were 

672
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:16,100
four goon shows for missing, 
fourth series gun shows and and 

673
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:18,800
that's that was a real fine. 
And they weren't that bad, the 

674
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,400
discs they were okay and they 
were obviously FM tape that I've

675
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,300
been transferred onto discs and 
and the other thing was for all 

676
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:31,000
goes in It was a fifth series 
show which we only had the TS 

677
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,500
version of transcription 
service. 

678
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,300
So that added to that, and I 
gave these disks to Ted. 

679
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:38,400
We went City, he came down to 
London. 

680
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:41,900
Let me met him, a record, fair 
and gave him these discs, and 

681
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:46,000
they ended up in the compendium,
but it's that it over the years,

682
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,900
this this happens infrequently, 
but when it does happen, it's 

683
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:52,100
fantastic, you know that you 
find this stuff. 

684
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:55,600
It's it is like opening that 
cupboard Treasure Trove and 

685
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,900
there's these Missing shows, 
that's amazing as well. 

686
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:01,300
Yes. 
Yeah. 

687
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,800
Because I stopped collecting, I 
sort of moved, I reached the age

688
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,500
of the full of state of man, at 
whatever. 

689
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:11,700
Major would have been 20, 21, 
and yes, and if moved away. 

690
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:16,900
So, for the best part of 25, 30 
years, I kind of think things 

691
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,600
were sort of pass me by in terms
of what was going on in the Goon

692
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,400
world. 
And then when I got all the 

693
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,700
compendiums. 
Hmm about two years ago. 

694
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:32,800
So, yeah, and just things like 
all these series for shows that 

695
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,000
up to that point, I thought, 
yeah, the completely missing. 

696
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,100
Yeah, yes. 
Well, there goes the committee 

697
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,900
have now inspected your passport
photograph. 

698
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:53,600
Oh yeah, that's a nice life. 
No, I did not still living in 

699
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,600
the same place. 
Have these men been medical 

700
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:08,400
examiner's. 
Findings of post-mortem trauma 

701
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,600
is dish whoosh where he might 
hear you. 

702
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,200
You mean he doesn't know what we
never had the nerve to tell him 

703
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:18,100
if he suddenly heard he was 
dead. 

704
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,900
Well you know what? 
The shock might kill him. 

705
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:24,800
Salinas listing to the restored 
shows. 

706
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:28,800
There's one show in particular, 
that I'd always felt. 

707
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,700
I knew it was edited. 
When I the the version I'd heard

708
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:35,500
was that the 27 minute version, 
but I'd always felt it was 

709
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:38,200
really clunky edited. 
And it's a show that we've 

710
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,200
covered on this podcast, 
previously, called the string of

711
00:42:40,207 --> 00:42:41,200
robberies. 
Yes. 

712
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,800
Okay. 
And to my ear, there's a good 

713
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:49,000
two or three really clunky, edit
points, that show. 

714
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:51,700
And when I listened to the 
compendium version, I was 

715
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:54,200
thinking Great idea of the bits 
there. 

716
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,700
I'd be dropped out, cut out. 
Yeah. 

717
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,800
But you find to your dismay 
that? 

718
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,000
No, that's how it went out 
broadcast, they've gone. 

719
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:04,100
Yeah. 
Say yeah. 

720
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Every now and then, Ted would 
come across a master tape, he 

721
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,700
which had everything on it 
because transcription service 

722
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:19,700
often have their own copy of the
master, which had everything And

723
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:22,500
if you were lucky, the edits 
would be kept at the end, which 

724
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:23,900
a lot of them were. 
That's how I did. 

725
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:25,600
A lot of the, I'm sorry that 
agains. 

726
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:28,000
So you put the bits the bits 
back. 

727
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:35,100
The other thing was that every 
now and then you would get 

728
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,600
somebody's take. 
They took home, you know. 

729
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:41,500
So a producer or an engineer or 
take them out. 

730
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,600
Bernie Andrews was a big one for
this. 

731
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,000
He supplied most of the Beatles 
at the BBC tapes. 

732
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:49,300
Okay. 
And he was an engineer on the 

733
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,000
From the eighth series and he 
used to take a lot of stuff home

734
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,000
with him, and he had a lot of 
goon stuff and it and I tracked 

735
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,000
him down and are over after 
about 10 years or so. 

736
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,600
Eventually the eighth series 
goon show set was coming out and

737
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:14,300
eventually we got the tapes and 
and they cut, they came out on 

738
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:15,900
that show. 
And there was a lot of extra 

739
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:19,200
material on those, because he'd 
kept the whole thing. 

740
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:26,100
NG and it also kept a press 
called and rehearsals and stuff 

741
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,700
which weren't available anywhere
else. 

742
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,800
I say, we're really behind time.
I took them afib and I must say 

743
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,700
I did enjoy it. 
What really behind time? 

744
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,100
We weren't even. 
We weren't really behind time 

745
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:53,000
going to write it in. 
I say we weren't really behind 

746
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,100
time. 
I tell them a fib and I must say

747
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:59,000
I did enjoy it and that kind of 
thing is gold dust to people. 

748
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,600
I mean it's like, you know, you 
just want to hear all of this 

749
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,500
stuff as much as you possibly 
can. 

750
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,500
And it gives you an idea of what
the show would have been like to

751
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:10,800
listen to when it was recorded 
rather than edited. 

752
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,600
Yeah. 
As you know, I was in contact 

753
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,900
with Ted and he. 
Yeah, he mentioned to me. 

754
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:17,500
I think it was the corner of the
West. 

755
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:19,300
Yes. 
That was one of those. 

756
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,100
Yeah. 
Yes. 

757
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:24,700
And the affair of the loan. 
Banana was another one. 

758
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,500
Okay. 
And I also Gary Critter, give 

759
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:32,100
him a credit who work for 
transcription service back in 

760
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:35,500
the day. 
He gave me all his tapes to run 

761
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:38,300
off. 
He had an attic full of 10 inch 

762
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:42,600
wheels and gradually. 
I got them because he was 

763
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,700
clearing his place out and he's 
moved now to Africa, but one of 

764
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:50,600
the last tapes he gave me, was 
his unassuming gray box with 

765
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,500
nothing. 
In on it, and it turned out to 

766
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,200
be an unedited copy of the 
butter pudding. 

767
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,000
Hurler it was a Down, the Line 
copy, right? 

768
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,700
Yeah. 
And it had three and a half 

769
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:04,100
minutes more in it than K. 
The one that goes out, the one 

770
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:06,700
that everyone knows. 
Yeah, there's a whole routine at

771
00:46:06,707 --> 00:46:09,400
the end. 
There's a mic fault so that you 

772
00:46:09,408 --> 00:46:12,500
can't hear Max geldray, which is
probably not a bad thing. 

773
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:16,600
He but he's, his mic isn't 
working and the same. 

774
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,900
Mike was used for a phone call 
with henrique run. 

775
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,500
You can't hear him and so 
there's it's on this fluffs and 

776
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,100
you know, all kinds of stuff and
that's a real find. 

777
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,700
That's a proper find. 
This is, you know. 

778
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,100
Yeah, just not just on that. 
Yeah, you mentioned Max. 

779
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:40,100
I did a show again couple of 
weeks months ago about Molly. 

780
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:41,600
Stop, Angela Morley. 
Oh yes. 

781
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,200
And just as part of research, I 
was listening to an interview 

782
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:51,100
that would be privately. 
Taped it was like a post 

783
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:55,300
convention or write some sort of
convention and Angela Morley was

784
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:57,300
speaking to taking it, Taking 
questions. 

785
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:00,600
Yeah. 
He like and one of the things 

786
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,000
and and the old memory was 
playing it was the late 

787
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,700
nineties. 
You know one of the things she 

788
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:09,100
said was that there was a goon 
show where Max was wasn't there 

789
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:13,300
he was in Manchester okay and he
had to perform down the line. 

790
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,600
Now if you have heard I'm asking
you because you know you With 

791
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,100
most in the, in these game 
shows, are many of my guests are

792
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:26,900
not as immersed if you like have
you, were you aware of that or 

793
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:29,600
is that something that's been, I
wasn't aware of that. 

794
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,700
No, no. 
It's I can't think why that 

795
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:37,700
would have been made up. 
No, I can't. 

796
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:43,800
But but I really doubt that he 
did it live down the line. 

797
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:48,500
I would really doubt that I 
would have thought it would have

798
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:52,600
been a Down, the Line, recording
possible, and then, and then a 

799
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,500
playback in The Undertaker's 
that they've had. 

800
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:57,800
The odd good show. 
Where one or other haven't been 

801
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,300
available? 
Yes, it's just not had them. 

802
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:01,600
So yes. 
Yeah, but geldray. 

803
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:06,800
I, it's quite plausible that he 
wasn't there but I can't imagine

804
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,900
them doing it live down. 
A line from another Studio. 

805
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,600
Nevertheless, maybe he did, I 
don't know, but I've never it 

806
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,300
wasn't in any of the scripts. 
Now that you wasn't there. 

807
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:19,900
What other things did you work 
on? 

808
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:25,200
Well for extra I went through a 
period when they were sending me

809
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,500
tape after tape after tape and 
they would have the 

810
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,800
transcription service people at 
Perry Vale run off the master 

811
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,900
tapes and they would have all 
the edits on the end that have 

812
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:39,300
been taken out and they would 
send these files to me and I put

813
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:42,100
them all back again and because 
I had off are copies of 

814
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:44,900
everything. 
I could use the off-air copies 

815
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:48,300
as templates. 
So you just run one after the 

816
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:51,300
other the other and you can put 
them back and if there's a bit 

817
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:53,900
missing because they weren't all
the edits weren't there, you 

818
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:56,600
could put the or Fair bit in, 
you know, to replace it. 

819
00:48:56,700 --> 00:49:02,800
So, I restored all of the 
brothers-in-law series, okay. 

820
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:06,500
Marriage lines, yes, all the 
doctors series Doctrine House. 

821
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:11,800
Doctor at large, right. 
Don't see little them and I'm 

822
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,900
sorry, I'll read that again. 
They broadcast my Restorations 

823
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:19,700
up to Series 5. 
And then stopped because they 

824
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:22,700
didn't have the time or the 
manpower to sit and listen to 

825
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:24,500
them. 
Because the problem with the 

826
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:28,400
restoring them is you're putting
stuff back which ofcom don't 

827
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,200
like. 
Okay so you're putting back 

828
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:37,400
quite in some cases quite 
horrible jokes and the BBC is 

829
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,300
Tied by ofcom in tune you know 
you can't broadcast certain 

830
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:44,200
things. 
And I know people get annoyed 

831
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,300
about this, but my feeling is, 
if you're broadcasting 

832
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:52,400
something, it's the face of the 
BBC now, and if something's 

833
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,900
recorded well enough, it sounds 
like it was recorded yesterday 

834
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,000
and you start broadcasting. 
Some of the jokes that are in. 

835
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,300
Those shows it Den backfires 
because people will listen to 

836
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,100
and go that how dare they there,
you know? 

837
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:09,000
And I know that for extra and I 
know that people that work there

838
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,400
would like to broadcast 
everything because they're all, 

839
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:13,900
you know, as mad. 
This stuff is we are but you 

840
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:17,600
can't, you know. 
But if the shows are there, if 

841
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,400
you want the full shows, they 
exist. 

842
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,700
Yep. 
And in particular, the goons has

843
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:24,000
been restored. 
They've all been restored, you 

844
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,900
know, and I've done all the 
others and it's like, well, 

845
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:29,100
fine, you can listen to them if 
you want. 

846
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:33,100
But I, I don't like getting two 
arguments about this stuff, but 

847
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:37,000
I do feel the BBC is a bit tied 
on this one. 

848
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,400
And it's not really their fault,
you know? 

849
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,600
Because I'm sure they would do 
it if they could. 

850
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:46,700
But ofcom, a very strict about 
this stuff and I don't, I don't 

851
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:51,000
object to this because you can't
keep broadcasting homophobic 

852
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,100
stuff. 
And, you know, some of the jokes

853
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:55,600
in the goodies are quite 
breathtaking. 

854
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:59,700
You know, a network have 
released the goodies entire you 

855
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:06,700
know, uncut so you can buy the 
DVDs but some of the jokes are 

856
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:11,700
just astonishing, you know. 
Yeah I noticed we've got brick 

857
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:14,500
box. 
Yeah, I noticed that so 

858
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:18,000
occasionally I'll be cooking in 
the kitchen over the goodies on 

859
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:20,400
you know I notice there's a few 
shows. 

860
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:24,500
Notably alternative routes. 
Isn't it isn't screaming? 

861
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:26,000
Yes. 
Yeah. 

862
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,200
The BBC the BBC. 
The problem is you go and I mean

863
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,700
I try to avoid them but you know
you can't help it. 

864
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:35,000
Sometimes you go on forums or 
social media in general and you 

865
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,900
have tends to be and I'm going 
to probably lose a couple of 

866
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:40,100
listings here. 
But you tend to be gentlemen of 

867
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:43,500
a certain age, rarely it It said
we're going to help it. 

868
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:47,000
Hand can basically the BBC's on 
a hiding to nothing it. 

869
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,300
Yes, when can it you just, 
you're damned if you do and 

870
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:51,900
you're damned if you don't. 
Because on the one hand, if you 

871
00:51:51,908 --> 00:51:55,200
allow this stuff to go out you 
see I'm it's a different thing 

872
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,200
from broadcasting stuff that's 
made yesterday from broadcasting

873
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,400
stuff that was made 60 years ago
because the stuff that was made 

874
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,800
60 years ago, is under a 
different umbrella, completely 

875
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,600
and anything was broadcast in 
the UK back, then stayed in the 

876
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,500
UK. 
But I got to I keep pointing out

877
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:12,000
to people that transcription 
service you sent this stuff. 

878
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,500
Lord, May Cuts. 
So they were doing it back then 

879
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:17,800
and it wasn't, it wasn't cool 
woke. 

880
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,900
Then it was simply, if you're 
selling shows to Africa, you 

881
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:25,500
don't put certain jokes in a 
show and then sell them on, you 

882
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:27,400
know, there are certain things 
you don't say. 

883
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,200
And they used to cut out damn 
and God and sort of things like 

884
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,300
that, which harmless expletives 
to us, but they would cut them 

885
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:39,000
out. 
Yeah, because they knew that the

886
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,800
religious community in whatever 
country they were sending it to 

887
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,600
would We really offended by it 
so they were doing it then back 

888
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,600
in the 60s and they did a lot of
it you know they'd cut out a lot

889
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,800
of jokes and some of the Goon 
show jokes as well about Ray 

890
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,100
Ellington, you know? 
Yeah. 

891
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:58,400
They made fun of him and 
although it was all in good 

892
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,200
humour and I know that I don't 
think there's any racism in, it 

893
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,900
was just it was racist 
inherently but I don't think it 

894
00:53:03,908 --> 00:53:07,800
was malicious. 
But you you can't keep 

895
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,200
maintaining this. 
I just feel that, you know, 

896
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:18,000
you've got to be careful. 
But I also I don't like getting 

897
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,900
to these arguments because it's 
intends to go around in circles.

898
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:26,200
Yeah, yeah. 
The, the kind of mindset of not 

899
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,100
our job, maybe our parents 
generation or their parents 

900
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:30,700
Generations. 
All the generations before I 

901
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:34,800
asked if you like, who were 
listening to the radio and going

902
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:40,200
to the cinema and 30s, 40s, 50s 
60s, even where everything was 

903
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,000
disposable in the sense that 
they gave no thought to seeing 

904
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,300
his hearing it again. 
No, he wouldn't even think about

905
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:51,300
it being preserved for, you 
know, to be listened to or 

906
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:54,800
watched again in the future so. 
Well chucked, we cover this. 

907
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,800
We cover this in the documentary
because we were very weird to be

908
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,100
very careful about. 
Again the BBC is going to be 

909
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:05,000
damned if it doesn't damage if 
it doesn't because the BBC has 

910
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,300
always been Basically, it's 
Charter is to provide 

911
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:13,100
entertainment and programs and 
news and whatever, constantly, 

912
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,800
right? 
This is stream of stuff. 

913
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,700
And it always has been what they
kept couldn't. 

914
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:21,300
They couldn't keep all of it, 
because it would take a building

915
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:24,600
size of England to do it. 
You know, you couldn't keep 

916
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:27,100
those tapes, you couldn't keep 
all those records, you just 

917
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:28,900
couldn't do it. 
So they had to select what they 

918
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:33,200
kept and then reuse the tape. 
So it was always the case that 

919
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,800
they were never keep it. 
They weren't keeping stuff and 

920
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,200
most of it 99. 
As you know, 90% of their output

921
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,600
disappeared. 
Yeah. 

922
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:45,200
Because you couldn't keep it and
it wasn't until digital that you

923
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,100
could. 
And I think there was a decision

924
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:51,400
in 88 around about there, to 
keep everything, because you 

925
00:54:51,408 --> 00:54:53,800
could put it on a dat, we could 
put it on a hard drive. 

926
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,900
And it was much easier to keep 
then but you know, but it's the 

927
00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:02,000
whole notion of people like 
Bernie you mentioned before that

928
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,200
having the foresight and the 
inclination even to keep. 

929
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,600
Yes. 
He he realized very quickly that

930
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,100
so much was being ditched and 
there he was able to take home 

931
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:17,300
7-inch reels in his Overcoat 
without anyone noticing, and he 

932
00:55:17,308 --> 00:55:19,100
had a house full of them. 
He had a house full of them and 

933
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:21,200
they were mostly music because 
he worked on Saturday Club. 

934
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,200
It was his show and a few 
others. 

935
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:30,400
Top Gear, not not the matinee, 
show the the in a music show and

936
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,200
to. 
So he recorded hundreds of 

937
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,600
bands, including the Beatles, 
but lots and lots of others. 

938
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,600
And he kept these seven inch 
wheels of effectively, Master 

939
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,900
take quality of these bands. 
And without people like that, 

940
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:45,100
they're these things would have 
gone. 

941
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,400
John Walters, and John Pearl is 
to tell stories about that, you 

942
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,500
know, you know, they're just go 
in the office and so you got any

943
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:55,500
spare tape? 
Keep going about, you know and 

944
00:55:55,508 --> 00:55:58,600
they'd give them the session 
that they had recorded of 

945
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,600
someone else to tape over for 
the next week. 

946
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:02,300
He's you know. 
Yeah. 

947
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,500
Because they just didn't it the 
BBC because it's license funded 

948
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,200
has to justify everything. 
It spends in, you know, and you 

949
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:15,700
can't therefore justify keeping 
all that tape because it was a 

950
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:18,000
lot of stuff went missing 
because it was no need for it 

951
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,400
anymore. 
Even the goons, which wasn't 

952
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,900
commercially viable until the 
early 70s because the The last 

953
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:27,100
goon show of all kicked up a 
whole new wave of people 

954
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:29,300
listening to it. 
And they really started 

955
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:34,300
releasing on record but in 1970,
the transcription service 

956
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:39,300
archive was given an overhaul 
and they got rid of a ton of 

957
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:42,400
stuff because they just didn't 
nobody was asking for it. 

958
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:46,400
So, nobody was buying it. 
So there wasn't any use for it 

959
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,300
and it was taken up a warehouse,
so a lot of gun shows got thrown

960
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:53,100
away as along with a lot of 
other stuff. 

961
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:57,900
Because it's simply couldn't 
justify the expense of keeping 

962
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:01,300
this air-conditioned Warehouse 
going to keep this stuff which 

963
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:04,600
nobody was buying anymore. 
Yeah, and and that's what 

964
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,700
happened. 
And then when people go, oh 

965
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:07,600
hang. 
On a minute. 

966
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,000
There is some use in this. 
Let's go and get it and it 

967
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,100
wasn't there. 
But you can bet that the time 

968
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,200
somebody somewhere was having to
justify keeping it, you know, 

969
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,400
that. 
So there's always this done. 

970
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:23,200
There's always this push-pull 
between the two and it's always 

971
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,400
the, you know, the money in the 
end has to speak because you 

972
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,400
can't provide constant 
entertainment and at the same 

973
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,500
time, keep it all in a 
warehouse, It's it just doesn't 

974
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:33,900
work. 
Well, there's that story and I 

975
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:37,200
think I think you told me that 
Ted touched touches on it, maybe

976
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:43,300
doesn't in your documentary. 
Where the, he opens up this wall

977
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:44,100
cavity? 
Oh, yeah. 

978
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:46,500
Well, that's a good story. 
I'll leave Ted to tell that, but

979
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:50,100
yes, there was a, you know, a 
wall in a studio that was padded

980
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,000
out with tape. 
And on those tapes was dick 

981
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,800
Barton and the goons and a few 
other bits and pieces. 

982
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,500
But it was a lot of stuff and 
that was just, you know, too 

983
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:03,600
because they finished with it, 
you know, and I just, I have no 

984
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,000
argument with them about this 
every now and then you think 

985
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,000
they should have kept some of 
it, something you go. 

986
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,400
Oh, why didn't they? 
Because there's a few bits and 

987
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:12,900
pieces. 
You go. 

988
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:18,800
Yeah, they like my big one is 
the Noel coward desert island 

989
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,100
discs. 
It was the 21st anniversary of 

990
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:24,000
desert island discs. 
They had Noel coward on 

991
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:28,100
Christmas and they didn't keep 
it. 

992
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,600
And you think well this is you 
know this is one of the biggest 

993
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,700
stars of the 20th century. 
Never did radio really becomes 

994
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:39,400
into a studio and does desert 
island discs big thing and they 

995
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,900
ditched it and the only bit that
Has left of it was on a 

996
00:58:41,908 --> 00:58:45,400
transcription service. 
Magazine unit disk says eight 

997
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,700
minutes of it which we, which 
we've got, you know, I've got 

998
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:56,500
that but Noel coward, you know. 
It's just why didn't they get? 

999
00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:58,700
That's one of those you think? 
Oh, come on. 

1000
00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:02,200
You know, that that, Ah, that's 
really thoroughly. 

1001
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,700
Yeah, I had a conversation with 
a Steven cockroft. 

1002
00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:09,200
Previously on this about just 
talk about the Beatles in the 

1003
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,700
goons in general and he was Talk
about this television show in 

1004
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:15,500
58. 
We're Spike was a guest. 

1005
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:20,100
It was like an audience invited 
to come in through your 

1006
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,500
question. 
Yeah, ask questions of a guest 

1007
00:59:22,500 --> 00:59:26,800
and one of the people getting up
asking a question, was Stuart 

1008
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:33,400
Sutcliffe right later to be yes 
Beatles and he asked Spike to 

1009
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,700
questions, and we have no copy 
of it, it's gone. 

1010
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:40,000
No, no I do. 
However, have the first 

1011
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,600
appearance of jars. 
And with ever that was a he was 

1012
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:49,700
he was on any questions on the 
radio in the late 60s and it was

1013
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:52,500
the Oxford Union. 
They were at and he was at he 

1014
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:55,300
was ahead of the Oxford Union at
the time and he and his first 

1015
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:58,500
appearance in the radio ever. 
Was him asking a question on any

1016
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:01,500
questions. 
Okay and I came across this on a

1017
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,600
set of tapes managed to get him 
a copy of it to use very pleased

1018
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,100
about but yes, very first. 
So we've that's made up for 

1019
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:15,500
Stuart Sutcliffe probably Yeah, 
maybe that's it. 

1020
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:34,100
Made up for the jump is no. 
Themselves back at University is

1021
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:37,800
the current president of this 
Union and he asked, oh, and 

1022
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:43,300
obviously, slightly popular. 
And wonders, whether any of you 

1023
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:47,100
wish ourselves back at 
University, Norman's engines to 

1024
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:49,500
use. 
What was that show again? 

1025
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:52,600
Which took about keeping and 
thrashing stuff. 

1026
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,100
Yeah, be more not keeping it. 
What's that music? 

1027
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:58,800
Show? 
There was a series in the 70s 

1028
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,500
and it was an ITV, it was either
Granada LWT, I'm not sure it was

1029
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:04,900
a music. 
Weekly music show wasn't Aisha. 

1030
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:07,500
Was it lifts off with? 
Are you sure you lift off? 

1031
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:12,000
That sounds of right? 
And they had copies of Every 

1032
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,700
episode? 
Yes, tapes of every episode and 

1033
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:19,000
I think they are marked coupled 
to be trash because what 

1034
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,300
duplicates or whatever reason 
there was maybe three or four 

1035
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:24,500
that they marked out said, 
right? 

1036
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:29,000
Get rid of these the rest and 
the better paper. 

1037
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,300
The Post-it note was put on the 
wrong pile. 

1038
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:34,600
Oh yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, II. 

1039
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,700
Don't know how apocryphal that 
is but it sounds like, it sounds

1040
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:40,600
like it could have happened, you
know, this stuff happens. 

1041
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,600
People don't realize how random 
a lot of this stuff is. 

1042
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,800
I know the, the better tape of 
the moon landings is disappeared

1043
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,000
because it is it was beam to 
Australia and then to the rest 

1044
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,800
of the world because of where, 
because there was transmitting. 

1045
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,200
Yeah, that the first transmitted
that could pick it up was in 

1046
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,700
Australia. 
They made a film about that, 

1047
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:03,500
didn't they? 
And the tape that Australians 

1048
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:07,500
made, which was a far better 
copy because it was the direct 

1049
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:11,000
transmission. 
When missing somebody lost it. 

1050
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:16,000
With the one that we see if Neil
Armstrong getting on the moon, 

1051
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:20,100
is the one that was beamed 
somewhere else and his drops in 

1052
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:22,200
quality because of it. 
Yeah. 

1053
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,100
So it's a terrible recording but
don't the Australians apparently

1054
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:32,800
had that and imperfect 
apparently and so there's it's a

1055
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,600
to take them here but they taped
over it. 

1056
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,200
Be the bush, can ya Somethin? 
I don't know what it would have 

1057
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,400
been. 
Yeah, but one small step for a 

1058
01:02:39,408 --> 01:02:43,600
kangaroo. 
That I've been told that several

1059
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,000
times from different places. 
I mean, it's one of those things

1060
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,200
that sounds like it could be 
true because he because so much 

1061
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:53,900
stuff happens that isn't plan 
nobody knows, you know, it just 

1062
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:55,600
doesn't happen. 
Nothing happens away, they want 

1063
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,800
plans it. 
So okay. 

1064
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,500
So Keith. 
Yeah. 

1065
01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:02,800
So thank you for taking the time
to speak to me today. 

1066
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,000
Now, Raiders of the Lost Ark. 
I've yeah archives. 

1067
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,600
I'm just literally, I think it's
plural. 

1068
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:11,400
Okay. 
So it's on the if you listen to 

1069
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:16,400
Radio for 11:30 13th. 
And it's repeated on the 17th 

1070
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:20,600
and the missing Hancock. 
The marriage bureau is on the 

1071
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,600
18th on. 
Wait for testing. 

1072
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,000
Yeah. 
I sometimes dream of somebody 

1073
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,000
going up into the granddad's 
Loft. 

1074
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:31,000
Yeah. 
Adding all these old discs of 

1075
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,400
gas shows from the early 50s 
early 50s. 

1076
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,000
Yeah. 
And then I think, do I really 

1077
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,400
want that? 
Because I don't think a lot of 

1078
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,700
them were very good. 
You know, the early ones were 

1079
01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:42,800
very good, the ones. 
When we did the documentary, we 

1080
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,200
asked everybody what would be 
your Holy Grail? 

1081
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,000
And they all said Hancock, they 
all said missing Hancock's 

1082
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,800
because Hancock was funny from 
the off from the very first 

1083
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,900
episode and also the missing 
ones with Terry seek Him seek 

1084
01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:57,500
him. 
Yeah. 

1085
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:00,100
Yeah. 
Those have been missing since 

1086
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:04,500
they were broadcast and somebody
somewhere probably recorded them

1087
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:10,100
off air but if, you know, those 
would be an absolute Goldmine if

1088
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:13,900
they were found those The one 
that Richard found is good 

1089
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:16,100
enough, you know the one with 
cell, isn't it? 

1090
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,600
Hmm. 
But those would be fantastic. 

1091
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,200
But everyone said that see, I 
wasn't aware of sellers 

1092
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,200
appearing at all ever in know, 
he did one show because Kenneth 

1093
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,500
Williams was called to a dress 
rehearsal for a play in the West

1094
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:30,900
End and couldn't do the 
recording. 

1095
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,300
It was last minute. 
So what the cell is doing his 

1096
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:37,000
sort of William 8, Voice, or 
what to do know, he's doing a 

1097
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,500
Yorkshire accent near the 
beginning and he's dug will 

1098
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:41,400
still drop the bottom. 
Okay, that boy. 

1099
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:44,900
This he's doing that voice 
during the show because it's a 

1100
01:04:44,900 --> 01:04:48,500
marriage bureau. 
So one of the clients total and 

1101
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:51,000
it would have been I guess 
Williams doing either Evans, you

1102
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,200
know? 
Yeah. 

1103
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:59,400
And that I t.i. use that voice 
in Thomas and friends. 

1104
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,900
As I was Lady Hatt to Topham 
hatt's mother, can you do? 

1105
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:06,100
Can you do me the fat controller
please? 

1106
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,400
Oh, yes. 
Well yes, we who we have had a 

1107
01:05:09,408 --> 01:05:15,200
very useful interview and A most
we must make sure it goes out on

1108
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,700
time and on schedule and don't 
give it a Percy because you'll 

1109
01:05:19,700 --> 01:05:26,800
muck it up. 
One of my favorites was Eddie. 

1110
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,000
I used to love doing Gordon as 
you because he was basically 

1111
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,800
wanting to minj. 
He was a yes, yes, yes, yes 

1112
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:37,200
Gordon, yes. 
Who the indignity and that's 

1113
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,500
one. 
Yes, I still love doing that 

1114
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:41,400
Silas. 
Does that voice again when he's 

1115
01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:42,900
Um Parkinson. 
Yeah. 

1116
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:45,700
That but that joke that lovely 
joke that love would you lose 

1117
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:47,200
your eye on the damn thing for 
me? 

1118
01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:51,300
I'm sorry sir. 
We don't serve theatricals. 

1119
01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:54,800
Yeah. 
That one, I'll keep to keep 

1120
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,100
listen, thank you again and 
let's maybe talk again sometime 

1121
01:05:58,100 --> 01:05:59,500
in the future. 
Hopefully. 

1122
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:03,400
Yes, if what we've said doesn't 
get as band that will be really 

1123
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,200
good will be edited to another 
within an inch of his life. 

1124
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,700
I'll get the razor blade out. 
Thanks again to Keith. 

1125
01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:13,600
Thanks for listening, all the 
shows. 

1126
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,200
All 75 plus of them are in the 
archive. 

1127
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:20,700
They are available from all the 
usual podcast Outlets. 

1128
01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:22,600
Please go back and check those 
out. 

1129
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,800
Next week, I will be talking to 
a very significant cast member 

1130
01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:29,900
from the in Islamic Newman plays
Spike. 

1131
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:35,600
As I always say, please rate and
review Apple podcasts or Spotify

1132
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,600
or wherever you get the 
opportunity to do so spread the 

1133
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,700
word, please join. 
On Facebook group. 

1134
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:43,700
Thanks for listening. 
See you soon. 

1135
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:44,300
Bye.