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Who's that? 
What do you want? 

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Funny. 
All right, you two. 

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All right. 
Break it up. 

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You can get your autographs 
after the show over a right. 

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Lot of Charlie's they are. 
See what I mean? 

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Well, now, ladies and gentlemen.
Tonight it 8:30, sees the return

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of the Goon show. 
There's not much I can tell you 

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about the story of the first 
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nude Welshman is holding a rice 
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Sahara Desert. 
And an atom bomb will be dropped

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on him. 
What would be the effect? 

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Well, your guess is as good as 
mine. 

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Hmm. 
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Anyhow, the story is called the 
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doesn't mean a thing for after 
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It's all in the mind, you know? 
Mining. 

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Good morning. 
Hello and welcome to game pot. 

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Just before I introduce this 
week's guest, just a word about 

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last week's show, which is the 
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scaffold. 
I had a really great response 

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from Lester's to that episode. 
Lots of you loved it. 

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I did have a handful of very 
small handful. 

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Let's say, one two, three at the
most, who contacted me. 

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It was a great show, but really 
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so thin in terms of goon 
content, if you like, but, you 

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know, the the there are times on
this podcast where I'm going to 

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be talking to Legends of Comedy 
or people that, you know, work 

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with in comedy or write about 
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know, it's not going to be so 
good, heavy and the content will

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be more varied and just on that,
just wanted to run something 

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past. 
And everybody because I've been 

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thinking for a little while 
about starting next year, 

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perhaps starting something which
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pod which would not affect goon 
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in part other than it would be 
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But I was thinking of doing 
maybe as bonus episodes some 

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classic British films. 
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something like that and, you 
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same sort of format, same, sort 
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As I do with goon pod and it 
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just off the top of my head. 
Like, let's see, kind hearts and

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coronets Carry on at your 
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the best care on film. 
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Frankie Howard. 
Maybe alpha papa. 

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The Alan Partridge movie and 
Wilt with Mel Smith and Griff, 

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Rhys Jones. 
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those out of the air, but it 
could be that. 

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This is something that I start 
next year, maybe as a standalone

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podcast or maybe as a bonus This
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going body. 
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will happen but I would really 
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Any thoughts, anything at all 
from anyone to sting? 

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Let me know if it's something 
that you would be interested in 

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hearing or whether it's 
something that you know, it 

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would be a waste of time because
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something if no one wants to 
listen to it. 

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Obviously anyway enough of that,
my guest this week is returning 

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and it is our friend from across
the pond it is. 

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On Gaffney and children were 
talking about, not one of the 

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better-known game shows but it's
still a great one. 

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I hope you enjoy that. 
And by the way, any EastEnders 

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fans out there was right. 
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before, Sean Gaffney and I just 
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letter away from being Dean 
Gaffney, you know, surely one of

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Britain's Finest thespians. 
I'm sure he went know what the 

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hell I'm talking about. 
But anyway, on with The show. 

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Sean, welcome back to the show. 
Thank you, it's great to be 

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back. 
Okay, so you join me previously 

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to talk about the Goon Show 
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a barnstorming episode of the 
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If I may say sir and the podcast
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And you and I agreed that you 
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is today. 
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going to talk about six 
Charlie's and search for an 

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author which I think is your 
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I have gun shows that are my 
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that I like to analyze. 
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as is six Charlie's in search of
an author because I did drama in

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college and so a goon show that 
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pirandello play which I had also
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Hmm obviously appealed show show
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today's episode which is the 
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Perhaps? 
That's your favorite one. 

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Is that, is that right? 
Is it's not. 

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It's not the typical. 
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anyone. 
Elses favorite and I'm not sure,

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it's the best. 
I'm not saying it's the best. 

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You're the funniest gun show, 
but it is my emotional support 

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goon show. 
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down or distracted, I am in need
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I inevitably end up queuing this
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know that it came out originally
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Along with the fear of wages and
the the Niger plague on that 

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collection. 
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version before. 
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you pick up things on the net 
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the Sahara Desert statue is 
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more of it. 
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pick of the goons version which 
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long and then we got the Persian
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wages CD which was your standard
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minutes and then we got the 
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was about like 32 minutes. 
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Which had even more material 
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Plus there's a trailer which was
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in general. 
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rehearsal tape. 
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been late 80s. 
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but I used to get up very early 
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14 15 and tape off the radio, 
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repeated if they were They would
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would play again show. 
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think it was five o'clock in the
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an episode and then 3:00 
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two different gun shows every 
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You know, but the problem was it
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quality was never very good. 
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national radio program was you 
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was a channel on the TV that 
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radio station. 
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the TV or the video which was 
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It was a definite step up from 
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And I remember being delighted 
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crystal or not crystal clear, 
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There was a lot more clarity to.
It was crisper if you like you 

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know? 
Yes no I get it, kids these 

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days, don't understand the old 
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Or cassette tape suddenly go. 
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and yes, reel it in. 
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So, this episode is the first 
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9 and it goes out third of 
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Now just wanted to talk about 
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series 9 because quite a bit has
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I think indeed, there is a date 
was Difficult shall we say? 

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Well, let me put it this way. 
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I'm not going to give anything 
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towards the end of the year. 
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going to do a special show, 
which I hope you will be able to

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assist me with, which would be 
counting down the listeners, top

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20 gun shows. 
And by the way, anyone listening

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to this who hasn't d-end me on 
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Facebook or email me and I'll 
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the end with your favorite goon 
show will gun shows. 

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Please do so. 
But I have I do have a working 

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list if you like at the moment 
which is pretty. 

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I think it's a pretty good 
spread of gun shows that people 

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would consider their favorites. 
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give too much away here. 
One morning to give anything 

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away, but let's put it this way 
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on the ground. 
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imagine and of course that yeah,
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was that they were going They 
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really, and they were also 
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serious at the same time. 
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causing a bit of a strain, 
really? 

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So series 8 ends and Spike goes 
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And he's yes, and he records, 
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weekly for radio? 
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Have you heard any of those? 
I've heard of one of the 

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surviving episodes, which oddly 
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then reworked into the Sahara 
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Doesn't surprise me. 
So around this time as well. 

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Peter's, obviously doing a lot 
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up. 
The creek comes out the film up 

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the creek. 
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And and Tom Thumb, which he was?
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Thomas Terry, Thomas, 
absolutely. 

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He's filming in September. 
He's filming Carlton. 

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Brown of the fo. 
Also, with Terry Thomas, yes. 

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And then around the time that 
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just begun shooting the mouse 
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is I think his first 
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role or is it? 
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done. 
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Carlton Brown? 
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Carlton Brown wasn't was a Terry
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Coast or I think, right? 
Sure. 

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So I think mouse that roared is 
his first name above the title. 

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And also his first multiple 
roles. 

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I think it was the first one 
where they really made a. 

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I don't know whether it was his 
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the first one where they made a 
point of that. 

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Being one of the reasons to see 
it. 

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Yeah, well he played different 
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of course. 
But they were all essentially 

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Sunny McGregor playing 
characters rather than him 

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rather than sellers playing 
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If you like, Anyway, so Sellers 
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a started appearing in brouhaha,
on stage in Legacy, legendary 

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stage play. 
That would its success would 

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lead to his long-running stage 
career? 

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Yes, or not? 
Yeah, he had, he had high hopes 

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for this here, I don't know. 
He obviously was keep mad Keen 

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to make films and to make it in 
Hollywood, I guess ultimately, 

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which he, which he did. 
Did he also have this Harbor 

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these sort of Ambitions to be, 
you know, a big stage actor as 

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well because he wanted to, he 
hope that brouhaha would 

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transfer to Broadway, 
ultimately, would you didn't you

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can be difficult the, the the 
actor, who is on the stage needs

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to know that they are performing
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sometimes multiple times a day. 
And I think that Rankled on 

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Peter, Peter got very bored, 
very fast. 

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Yeah, and it was it's kind of 
like a bit like I suppose when 

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Spike was doing oblomov onstage 
and eventually just departed 

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completely from the script and 
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Whereas brouhaha. 
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night after night. 
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Knighthood perhaps was that it? 
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party and sellers went to the 
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sheets to the wind for the 
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pretty much perform drunk. 
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audience of the beginning and 
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perform drunk. 
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think, he may have fallen off 
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pit or something, not something 
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So not a, not a happy 
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Absolutely, absolutely. 
Which busy man in 1958, very 

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busy man, and, and Harry was 
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well. 
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A variety of parents is all over
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starting large as life at the 
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Yes. 
Which that was a review which 

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also featured coming up a lot in
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Haddie Jake's. 
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Harry was sort of the MC. 
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also due to be Be appearing at 
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Desert statue, Ed was broadcast 
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who today has been rehearsing 
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Coliseum and the Coliseum for 
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Performance, how do you seek 
him? 

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spikes playing a little bit of 
Hardball. 

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I supposed to say, so the BBC 
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want a night series. 
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Australia and he has a list of 
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to be added and dial for as was 
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going through using what three 
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Yes Cheryl Shelton who did the 
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Roy spear was ill and Tom Ronald
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That's right. 
Yeah. 

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very happy if Pat Dixon could 

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have come back but well to be 
fair. 

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Dixon died in October 58 of 
cancer. 

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Sadly, only age 54 Spike was 
very upset about that and I know

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we suggested that the BBC 
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Dixon with the fees donated to 
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I'm not sure if that actually 
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eaten. 
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television they working for 
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So in the end, the BBC kind of 
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to take up the reins as he had 
been the what was called. 

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So I think the panel Studio 
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That's right. 
So obviously Spike knew him, 

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John Braille wrote to spike in 
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the FX problem would be sorted 
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So I think spikes. 
Maine. 

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Issue was that the the quality 
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series 8 in terms of just 
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timings I suppose--and. 
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all the FX for the show would be
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the Sunday recordings so that 
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spot-on. 
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I think Spike was pretty happy. 
A John Brown. 

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series 9 and what they do with 
the mm it's definitely a step up

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from the previous series. 
Yes. 

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And of course we've well because
it's around this time. 

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I'm not quite sure of the timing
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that the radio phonic Workshop 
is set up as an it. 

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Yes. 
And now I know that they're 

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famous for doing blood dots 
stomach as a sound effect but I 

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think they did a number of 
others toward more towards I 

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think the End of series 9. 
I don't think they were quite 

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involved at this point. 
No, no, no. 

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It's like I never involved in 
shows that the Scarlet capsule. 

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Okay, so we've got, we've got 
John Braille on board as 

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producer. 
Spikes also asking for more 

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money, his reasoning is that so 
golden and Simpson are obviously

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writing Hancock's half hour. 
Both men are being paid for one 

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script and their combined fee is
Clearly, more than spike is 

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being paid in spikes argument, 
you can kind of see his point is

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that, you know, their script for
Hancock's half hour is being 

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paid more for than a script for 
the Goon show. 

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So he's asking for more money. 
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the guys from Associated. 
London script, could write some 

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goon show scripts while he's on 
holiday in Australia. 

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So I'm guess by that, he's just 
he's insinuating, the may be 

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golden and Simpson could write 
some goon shows which would be a

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fascinating Prospect, wouldn't 
it? 

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Well, I'd mentioned that there 
is a, there's episode in series 

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one of Hancock's half hour where
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that's at the bottom of a cliff 
and then another house at the 

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top of the cliff because the 
bottom of the cliff is going to 

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get flooded and then another 
house further back because the 

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house is top of the cliff is 
going to fall off. 

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Off said, could easily have been
a goon show just as well. 

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I've often said that the typical
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say is grid pipe and Moriarty 
show up and getting ready to 

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trick Nettie into doing 
something illegal. 

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Yeah. 
And the problem with the typical

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goon show plot is that if you 
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and made them sit James and took
Nettie and made him Tony 

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Hancock, not much would have to 
change. 

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That's very true. 
It's very true. 

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And obviously well, C-can stood 
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didn't he? 
Famously did. 

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But I think if you try and put 
Tony Hancock into the Sahara 

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Desert statue, You're not going 
to get very far. 

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No, plus the Hancock's half hour
at least has one foot in reality

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true. 
So all these demands that spike 

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is making upon the BBC they kind
of called his bluff. 

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I supposed they they suggest 
that actually okay well we're 

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not going to we're not going to 
schedule a new series then. 

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And Spike, backpedals, quite 
rapidly and his, I think it's 

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Barrel virtue steps in and says,
oh no don't worry as long as 

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there's some compromises spikes.
Happy to write a new series. 

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Okay. 
Yes. 

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So his fee is increased and the 
BBC also, I guess they feel they

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have to do, they increase Harry 
and Peter's fees as well for the

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appearing on the Goon show. 
And presumably. 

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Presumably cut a few more 
musicians in order to be able to

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afford it. 
Well, it absolutely ends 

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notably, they decide actually, 
we don't need Max geldray 

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anymore, which is do now. 
Yeah, I think it's, I think 

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that's a terrible decision. 
So they decide that they're 

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going to drop geldray and just 
have one musical spot in. 

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Obviously, the real engine 
quartet railing term is becoming

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much more high profile in terms 
of on be appearing on 

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television. 
Division. 

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I saw an episode of. 
So he turns out, I watched an 

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episode of Alfred marks time 
recently, which is from the 

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episode, was from the third 
Series in 58 and Ray and the 

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quartet appear on that. 
In fact re semi appears in a 

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sketch actually example, of the 
Renaissance period, you see? 

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And your We have a constable was
you can't recognize him. 

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He's got his own at all. 
Haha, and ladies and gentlemen. 

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This one of course, you all know
is the world famous Mona Lisa. 

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Very, very beautiful. 
Yes. 

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Now, and if that will be all, 
thank you. 

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Ladies and gentlemen. 
The museum is closed. 

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Good afternoon, everybody. 
Well, see you some other time. 

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After you've gone and left me 
crying, after they're gone and 

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left. 
By the way, Alfred mounts time 

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is pretty Dreadful. 
I'll admit, I don't know who 

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Alfred marks is right. 
Okay, Alfred monks was kind of 

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in that friendship group with 
Sellers and large and buts. 

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The name Stark be pretty much, I
hurt people like marrow for 

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Britt see Alfred marks you know 
though he was good friends with 

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sellers, I think he was at the 
think he appeared at the 

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Windmill and I think it was 
pretty friendly with all three 

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of them, but particularly 
Sellers and sellers, and he 

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would do a lot, not 
professionally, but they're, you

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know, they're that socialize a 
lot in the 50s and Marx was a, I

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don't want to say mediocre, but 
he was a, he was a pretty 

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humdrum. 
Comic the eat, he had one stick,

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if you like, he plays several 
characters in the episode of 

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Health nugs time that I watched,
but they're all the same 

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character if you if that makes 
sense. 

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Oh yes, I've watched 50s, 
American television shows. 

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And there are several that also 
fall into that. 

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Yeah, and he is named does get 
dropped into a few goons shows 

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occasionally, take up their 
positions on your Alfred's, get 

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set. 
Anyway, I'm getting off. 

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The point here, but so yes. 
So the BBC decide to get rid of 

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get rid of gold RE/MAX. 
It seems had anticipated that 

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this might happen. 
So when he's informed of the 

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decision in late September, he 
kind of accepts it without much 

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argument. 
Really now, Peter then finds 

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out, Peter Sellers finds out 
about this and Peter and Max are

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pretty tight, you know, the the 
very good friends. 

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Peter threatens to pull out of 
the Goon A show and a and 

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Peter's agent rights to the BBC 
implying that Harry would also 

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follow suit. 
So the BBC reversed the decision

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and Max is kept on. 
Okay? 

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Yes, even you even gets more to 
do and series name. 

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They give him several lines. 
Anything boy? 

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I bring bad news. 
Boy, good. 

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The genuine Diana dors cast of a
wrestler. 

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No boy. 
I'm the town crier, stop crying.

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Now, listen boy, don't laugh at 
me. 

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I don't get any extra money for 
doing these parts. 

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So I'm like a federation, which 
the family is flooded boy, 

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heckled you water, there's life.
And I'm wondering when the 

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script for the Sahara Desert 
statue was actually written 

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because Was the first pot, five 
minutes of the show is 

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completely unrelated to the the 
plot. 

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It's just just the guys riffing 
really isn't it? 

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It is it it reminds me of a 
pull. 

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It reminds me of the musical 
stuff that they're always making

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fun, of which I've always. 
I've always quite liked because 

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I was not constantly exposed to 
it in the 1950s. 

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Like most of Britain was so I 
was not able to get tired. 

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Of it. 
Mmm, but it's yeah, it's 

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basically just I mentioned that 
I don't think this is the 

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funniest going to show, but I 
think it might be the fastest 

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goon show. 
At least at the start where I 

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think Spike might be trying to 
see how many gags he can work in

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25 minutes and I think that's 
why it we get Max's number. 

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So early, it's very early in the
Goon show. 

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My theory is. 
And it's public completely 

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wrong. 
But my theory is okay. 

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If you if you look at it real 
importance, number comes in 16 

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minutes into the show. 
Okay. 

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My theory is that the script was
originally written with geldray.

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Considered not part of it. 
So, I'm wondering where the 

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spike wrote at thinking geldray 
is not going to be in this. 

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So Ray linton's number comes 
smack, bang in the middle of the

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show, okay? 
And I'm wondering whether yelled

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Ray's kind of crowbarred in 
there in the first after that 

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sort of crosstalk in the first 
five minutes couldn't be. 

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That's my theory, anyway, and 
I'm sticking to it and the other

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thing about series 9 is that 
it's shorter than most of the 

448
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,800
previous wall, the previous 
Series 17 shows. 

449
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,000
So 17 shows were originally 
agreed with the option for nine 

450
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,500
more, but then how he Mm, it te 
9 world because he was going 

451
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:56,700
away on holiday. 
And, and also, as I said before,

452
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,800
Peter Sellers thought the 
brouhaha might actually transfer

453
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,400
to New York. 
So, in the end, there was there 

454
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,800
was just 17 shows, however, six 
episodes from the Vintage goons 

455
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:12,100
series were broadcast in the 
run-up to the start of series 9.

456
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,400
I've got them here, which ones 
were they? 

457
00:29:14,408 --> 00:29:17,800
So they yes, it was mummified 
priest, greatest mountain in the

458
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,700
world, the Giant Bomb, burden 
The Vanishing room, great Bank 

459
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:21,900
of England robbery, and the 
Albert Memorial. 

460
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,700
Boreal. 
They were, they were broadcast 

461
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:28,300
in the run-up to beginning of 
series 9 and there's also I'm 

462
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:31,000
sure you've heard it. 
There was a special trailer 

463
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,800
recorded by Wallace greenslade 
for yes. 

464
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:41,300
The Sahara Desert statue, which 
uses Henry and men from sort of 

465
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:44,500
flown in, from some other, from 
the greenslade story. 

466
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,400
Yes, it's yes. 
And then, and then you've just 

467
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,200
got Wallace. 
Kind of, he's obviously reading 

468
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,500
from a script but he's He's kind
of improvising. 

469
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:55,200
I suppose he's put, he's doing 
voices. 

470
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,500
Yes, he does his his crew run 
and Bannister type voice and we 

471
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:06,000
also get the series 8 
catchphrase. 

472
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,400
It's all in the mind. 
You know, which pretty much 

473
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,000
started to vanish around series 
9. 

474
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,800
I think they did it once or 
twice but that was I think that 

475
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,300
may have been a Larry thing and 
series 9. 

476
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,700
Well this this so the other 
thing we should mention is this 

477
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:26,500
is a solo Spike script. 
Hmm, he done most of Series 7 

478
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:29,800
and a chunk of series 8 with 
Larry Stevens. 

479
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,600
But they have another falling 
out. 

480
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,400
I don't have my copy of um, 
mostly in front of me as we know

481
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200
mean. 
Larry only had a few couple of 

482
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,700
months to live because this 
yeah, series 9 begins in 

483
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:47,700
November and Larry's dead by end
of January 59. 

484
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:54,300
So maybe Larry just wasn't up to
it, you know, although I think 

485
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,800
his death was, I think he knew 
he was dying because his doctor 

486
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,400
had given him. 
He had what he Have he had 

487
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,100
extremely high blood pressure 
and he was, he was, he was keen 

488
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:07,700
on keen on the old bottle. 
Well, he did, he did, right, I 

489
00:31:07,708 --> 00:31:11,100
think he wrote a couple of them 
in series 9, the sequined 

490
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:13,300
Memoirs was with him in Murray's
Wiltshire. 

491
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,600
Oh, that's true. 
That's true. 

492
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,900
Yes. 
Yeah. 

493
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:20,400
So I'm not quite sure about 
that. 

494
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,400
But anyway, so the Sahara Desert
statue that the first recruit. 

495
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,600
So the recording of this hat to 
be scheduled around Harry's 

496
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,800
rehearsals for the Royal Variety
performance. 

497
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,200
We mentioned which so the show 
was actually broadcast the same 

498
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,500
day as The Royal Variety 
performance. 

499
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:43,500
We have a recording of the 
warmer and we hear them referred

500
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:48,500
to Harry appearing. 
We also hear very interesting 

501
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:50,600
lie. 
Leo, mckern the actor. 

502
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,800
Liam, the cone is in the 
audience for this recording 

503
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:57,400
because you can hear Spike 
saying all the Americans in the 

504
00:31:57,408 --> 00:31:59,600
audience or something like that 
and then I think it's Peter, 

505
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,600
shouts out. 
Hello, Leo. 

506
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:10,200
Yeah. 
And Leo, of course, would appear

507
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,600
with them in the running jumping
and standing still film. 

508
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,600
Yes, we will see in the mouse 
that roared 20. 

509
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,900
He was, yes, he was. 
He was so Peter was filming the 

510
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:26,000
mouse that roared that may be 
another reason why we always 

511
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,400
there. 
Of course. 

512
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:29,600
Absolutely. 
I'm sure Peter said, maybe at 

513
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,200
the end of shooting on a Friday 
or Saturday, you know, the day 

514
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,700
before this recording may be, he
extended an invitation to Leo. 

515
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,600
That makes sense. 
Absolutely, it all fits into 

516
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,700
place. 
When you start analyzing these 

517
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:47,100
shows its interests. 
Another, there's another very 

518
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:50,200
interesting thing in that 
rehearsal where you have Wallace

519
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,500
greenslade, introducing everyone
as always, and I've often 

520
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:57,200
wondered is all of that Wallace,
just improvising. 

521
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,400
Or does he does he have like, 
little bits of introduction 

522
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,300
given to him? 
Because at one point, he 

523
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:07,000
introduces, Ray Ellington. 
As part of the Little Rock Nine.

524
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,900
Hmm. 
Now explain what that is. 

525
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,900
The Little Rock. 
Nine were African-American 

526
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:19,100
students who were enrolled in 
high school in Arkansas and 

527
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:22,400
they, it was a segregated school
and the governor had broof used 

528
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,300
to allow them entry. 
And Eisenhower had to intervene 

529
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:33,400
and they were the first nine 
students to be enrolled and D 

530
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:36,300
desegregation starting. 
Mmm. 

531
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,300
So it was a Reference. 
Although I'm not sure it quite 

532
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,000
worked. 
But mmm. 

533
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,400
Yes. 
So apparently, you can kind of 

534
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,900
hear it in his voice slightly 
but apparently, Peter had a cold

535
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,100
during the day, this was 
recorded. 

536
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,900
Yeah, the Guernica says he was 
under par II. 

537
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,700
Don't I don't hear it as a 
performance issue but yeah, you 

538
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:06,900
can sort of hear he might be 
congested and wonder whether 

539
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:13,600
that That was, he was medicating
with Brandi because the John 

540
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,400
prowl apparently had kind of 
unofficially given them approval

541
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,900
to drink. 
Yeah, you weren't you were 

542
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:24,400
mentioning Peter doing brouhaha,
well, while drunk and I suspect 

543
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,199
a couple of the later gun shows.
Probably also fell into that 

544
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:32,500
category. 
So if this was a Friends 

545
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:36,100
episode, this would be called 
the one with nude Welshman 

546
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:39,199
holding a rice pudding. 
It's wonderful. 

547
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:45,300
It's such a terrific goon show 
plot and the effect of an atom 

548
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,199
bomb dropped on a nude Welshman 
standing in the desert holding a

549
00:34:48,207 --> 00:34:51,600
rice pudding. 
You can imagine Spike being very

550
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,400
happy with himself after he came
up with that one. 

551
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,300
Interesting thing before we get 
away for a couple interesting 

552
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:01,000
things before we get away from 
the variety stuff at the start. 

553
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:05,600
Um, Peter and a hairy basically 
appear as themselves as they 

554
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,700
normally did at the for the 
plots. 

555
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,900
Art's bit and Spike does as 
well. 

556
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:13,300
But the script goes back and 
forth between between referring 

557
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:16,000
to him as Spike and referring to
him as Jim Spriggs. 

558
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:20,900
Hmm. 
I think by this point much as 

559
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,200
everyone said that Echols was 
spikes. 

560
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,700
Alter-ego Jim sprigs had also 
become spikes. 

561
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:29,100
Sort of writer Alter Ego. 
Yes. 

562
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:35,100
And he frequently when he had to
appear as himself so to speak. 

563
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:39,400
He would use the sprigs voice. 
Maybe without the hello Jim, you

564
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,400
know, type stuff, but that sort 
of adenoidal e nasal thing. 

565
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:45,900
Yeah, he'd never. 
Yes, you're right. 

566
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:51,400
He would never really be echoes.
What he doing those those bits 

567
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,800
at the beginning of these later 
period shows, when he's 

568
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:57,800
essentially being himself he'd 
never do the equals voice and 

569
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,000
sellers would tend to do his own
my not his own voice but he 

570
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,700
would do it. 
Slightly officious, sounding 

571
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:06,100
voice wouldn't need. 
When he was essentially being 

572
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:11,500
himself sound, you know, little 
overdone and speaking. 

573
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:14,100
The other thing I wanted to 
mention is that right before 

574
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:18,100
Max's number don't take your 
love for me, a classic from 19. 

575
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,900
40. 
Hurry does a celebrity 

576
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:24,300
impersonation. 
Which is not something you 

577
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:27,300
normally hear normally the 
celebrity impersonations would 

578
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:32,100
be Peters job. 
Yes but I hurry is doing an 

579
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:37,500
impersonation of Carol Levis. 
Who was a I guess talent scout 

580
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:41,000
would be. 
The phrase is actually Canadian 

581
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,900
but he was an expat who went to 
Britain and was very popular in 

582
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:49,500
the 50s. 
I actually listened to a clip of

583
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:55,900
him just actually right before 
this And hurry obviously 

584
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:59,800
overdoes it making him sound 
somewhat sloshed but he's not 

585
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,800
too far off in the 
impersonation. 

586
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,800
Carol love has had that sort of 
glad-handing. 

587
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,900
Hi. 
How are you type of thing? 

588
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:13,200
Yeah but like Huey green. 
Who did the opportunity knocks? 

589
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,900
Yes Sir Arthur Godfrey. 
We had in America who had his 

590
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:20,700
own big talent scout program in 
the 50s, okay? 

591
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,400
So it was we have this 
crosstalk. 

592
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:28,200
There's a little bit of they 
mentioned, brouhaha, don't they 

593
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,100
in in the show and they mention 
the mention, the fact that 

594
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:34,600
spikes been an Australian and 
then we have said, we have 

595
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,700
geldray and then we begin the 
plot, proper with the House of 

596
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:42,900
Commons is debating the fact 
that the British Atomic 

597
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:46,300
commission. 
Don't know what effect An atom 

598
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:48,600
bomb would have on a nude 
Welshman holding a rice pudding.

599
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:54,400
Okay, I have I have not seen too
many, you know, House of Commons

600
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,100
debates, but I'm going to guess 
they usually aren't bathing 

601
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:02,100
during them. 
Well, I guess the only sort of 

602
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:05,700
House of Commons debates from 
this period that you would have 

603
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:07,700
been exposed to would be goon 
show parodies. 

604
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,600
Yeah, I'll believe I'm familiar 
with the one that they quoted in

605
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,300
regards to the CD plates. 
Oh yes. 

606
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:18,900
See with the piano going out the
window. 

607
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,600
That's right. 
I don't stand wasn't there. 

608
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,800
The jet-propelled garden? 
Fe wasn't there a debate quieted

609
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:30,100
in that as well? 
That was directly quoted and 

610
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:32,400
then they use that for the plot.
Yeah. 

611
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,700
So basically the government 
thinks that Britain could take 

612
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:42,500
the lead I think that this this 
isn't grid pipe and Moriarty 

613
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:47,300
thinking up something to sucker 
Nettie, this is the British 

614
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:50,100
government coming up with 
something that just happens to 

615
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:54,000
be a convenient plot to sucker 
Nettie that they sort of glom 

616
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,400
onto. 
Yeah. 

617
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,800
They what they did lie I think 
because at this point in their 

618
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,700
careers, great pipe and Moriarty
can't come up with their own 

619
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:04,800
plans because they're too 
desperate and starving. 

620
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,000
Yeah well I've tried everything 
else haven't they By this point.

621
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:11,900
So that while the government 
offered to play, what is a two 

622
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:16,000
thousand pounds to any Welshman?
Who wants to stand naked holding

623
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,800
a rice pudding while hit by the 
power of net and an atom bomb 

624
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:23,700
and obviously grip, a bain-marie
out, you know, the perfect 

625
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:27,300
person for this one. 
Other thing I wanted to mention 

626
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,500
at one point in speaking, of the
House of Commons member getting 

627
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:34,200
out of the bath grid. 
Pipe says, you've woken, Lord, 

628
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,800
tavenner and Lord's taverners is
Charity. 

629
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:43,400
That was around and I think 
still is yeah, and was founded 

630
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,800
by among others, John snag this 
okay. 

631
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:50,100
Yeah, no Spike would definitely 
have been aware of it and when 

632
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,500
looking for a lord might have 
just happened to cross that so 

633
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,800
that he didn't have to mention 
an actual Lord and have the BBC 

634
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,500
get annoyed with him again. 
Yeah, I think the standard 

635
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:05,800
comedy Lord that would be 
quoted. 

636
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:10,900
Around this time was Lord 
hailsham, who wasn't actual 

637
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,100
Lord? 
I was going to say, Lord help us

638
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:18,700
Lord help us. 
Yeah Lord out Lord hailsham was 

639
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:22,800
one of those real life members 
of the House of Lords who would 

640
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:29,900
get quoted frequently in comedy 
shows in the 60s and into the 

641
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:33,100
70s, I'm sure. 
And I've got this meant this. 

642
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:34,900
Vague memory. 
That The Two Ronnies used to go 

643
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:36,400
on about Lord hailsham all the 
time. 

644
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:39,200
Anyway, that's that's getting 
off the point. 

645
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:42,200
So yeah. 
So how does this show? 

646
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:46,700
I mean Eddie agrees yes. 
Possibly, because he's in Dire 

647
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:53,000
Straits as he and William are 
essentially sharing a flat with 

648
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,800
blood dock, as their landlord. 
Would which amuses me? 

649
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,500
Because it makes no sense for 
the show. 

650
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:01,700
This point continuity just 
doesn't matter to spike. 

651
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:04,300
He knows he's got blood knock 
later on as the commanding 

652
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,600
officer of affording Kenya. 
But Blood dog shows up as their 

653
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,000
landlord simply for the sake of 
the gag blood knock, has to be 

654
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,400
the landlord. 
That's that's how it works. 

655
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,600
Also, the William cutting his 
toenails is one of my favorite 

656
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,800
bits. 
It's so horrible. 

657
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:42,800
Yes William in seeking didn't 
often team up I suppose but they

658
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,400
do appear together in a show. 
Recent show that we've covered 

659
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,100
treasure in the lake where 
they're asking if you're in 

660
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,900
Philly, when cecum is 
particularly destitute William 

661
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:57,700
tends to be hanging out next to 
him. 

662
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:07,100
So C goon goes to the desert, 
the Sahara Desert, and disrobes 

663
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:09,200
I guess and is holding a rice 
pudding. 

664
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,500
There is, by the way, a cut bit 
here, which was in the original 

665
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,500
script. 
And for once, with not part of 

666
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,100
the bits, in the script that 
were picked up by Ted Kendall 

667
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:23,100
and inserted into the compendium
later where Spike cuts to a 

668
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:27,400
group of scientists who are 
trying to identify Atomic 

669
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,400
explosions by their sound. 
And it's meant to be sort of a 

670
00:42:31,408 --> 00:42:33,900
parody of wine tasting, you 
know. 

671
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:38,000
Oh, that one definitely sounds 
like a, like a 54, you know, 

672
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,700
that sort of thing. 
So that was in the script but it

673
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:44,200
wasn't recorded or it was 
recorded, but just doesn't exist

674
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,700
anymore. 
I'm not sure the copy of the 

675
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:49,700
script that the encyclopedia 
going to kiss has is spikes but 

676
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:54,600
it did not. 
It did not have any of spikes 

677
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,600
usual, annotations. 
It was a clean. 

678
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,700
Mostly clean copy. 
Mmm. 

679
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:02,400
So we don't have the usual bits 
showing us what was cut, and 

680
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,300
what wasn't we do? 
See that in this particular 

681
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:08,400
script almost, everything was 
kept except for that scene, 

682
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:09,800
right? 
Okay. 

683
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:12,800
Now we have to talk about 
Eccles. 

684
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,000
Can you can you describe the 
equals appearance? 

685
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:21,600
Echols is marching through the 
desert, I guess. 

686
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:26,700
Playing sort of an oral piano 
which basically amounts to him 

687
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:33,500
going don't you know, it's a 
really extended gag and it's the

688
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:36,600
audience is loving it. 
It's probably one of my favorite

689
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,900
Echols. 
Entrances. 

690
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:41,000
Spike is also having trouble not
corpsing. 

691
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:44,900
While doing it was just insane 
of the scene is of course, the 

692
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:52,300
Harry Siegen is standing there. 
Buck naked with a bowl of Rice 

693
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,900
pudding. 
And so this is when Echols turns

694
00:43:54,900 --> 00:44:47,900
up, 
I'm hot. 

695
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:55,300
You shouldn't touch it. 
Just then I caught a glimpse of 

696
00:44:55,308 --> 00:44:58,600
the label on his head. 
It said, early English idiot. 

697
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,700
Circa 1899. 
I'm a mile. 

698
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:19,900
Oh, I'm not an idiot. 
We never see L XL actually 

699
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:28,600
pronounced, they really, they 
really enjoyed. 

700
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,900
Using sped up voices towards the
end of series 8, and in this 

701
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:38,900
series and it's a sign again of 
the BBC, catching up to spike 

702
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,000
and Being able to actually 
provide him what he's asking for

703
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,700
after so long. 
Yes this is the thing I think 

704
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:53,000
series 9 is generally held up as
being one of the best series of 

705
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,900
the Goon show and it certainly 
is and I it's funny that I think

706
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:03,300
on this podcast With covered how
I didn't check. 

707
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:08,900
Actually, I want to say maybe 
for ya for this might be five. 

708
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,400
Yeah. 
And there's still a couple that 

709
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,900
I'm in when I was looking at. 
It was like, oh Ned's Atomic 

710
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:16,400
dust bin. 
I'm surprised he hasn't done 

711
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,900
that one yet. 
And there's a couple of others 

712
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:22,400
where they're obvious ones, and 
it's because the series is such 

713
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,400
a high point. 
That you just want to talk about

714
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:31,200
all of them. 
Yeah, so now the number eight 

715
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,400
touring company of the desert 
song comes up in this show. 

716
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:39,000
Well, first of all, real ington 
perform When I Grow too old to 

717
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,000
dream, which is a song written 
by Sigmund Romberg and Oscar 

718
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,600
Hammerstein. 
Okay. 

719
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,700
And of course, they also wrote 
The Desert Song, which was an 

720
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:52,000
Operetta, okay? 
Very popular with Community 

721
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:58,300
light opera groups that You 
know, not necessarily touring 

722
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:00,700
companies, so to speak. 
But you're popular with, you 

723
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:05,000
know, Town people who always 
wanted to be actors but never 

724
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,200
quite were would get together 
and they would put on a show 

725
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,400
type of thing. 
Yeah, we would pull that sort of

726
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,300
amateur Dramatics Society. 
Yeah. 

727
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:18,000
Very popular with and of course 
it was Desert Song was very, 

728
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,900
very popular in the 30s and 40s 
and probably did have a lot of 

729
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:24,000
touring companies. 
I don't Spike had apparently 

730
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,400
Reference the long-lost number 
eight touring company of the 

731
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,200
deserts upon before this. 
I remember an anecdote, I think 

732
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,300
it was by normal farnes or 
somebody like that and talking 

733
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:40,400
about he was like in a car and 
was drunk or something and was 

734
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,700
talking about the long-lost 
number a touring company of the 

735
00:47:42,707 --> 00:47:45,300
Desert Song. 
So it's again like the nude 

736
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:46,600
Welshman holding your rice 
pudding. 

737
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,100
It's an idea. 
That appealed to him. 

738
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,500
Yes. 
Actually we get a clip. 

739
00:47:55,500 --> 00:48:01,500
Of course if the Rifts heard 
which is from that and Peter and

740
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:06,500
Spike doing sort of what Henry 
and many would be like if they 

741
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:17,000
were theatrical actors, look at 
the peaceful scene, let us rest 

742
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,500
in the shade of this 
grasshoppers League, the 

743
00:48:22,508 --> 00:48:26,800
inspiration. 
I feel a song coming on my dear 

744
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:40,100
so this obviously going to 
enhance service vegetable and 

745
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:44,900
then it was it was repeated Like
program and the word buttock was

746
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:47,600
removed from the light of 
program broadcast. 

747
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:51,700
It just felt there was a little 
bit too near the knuckle or now 

748
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:56,000
the buttock maybe. 
Well, Mike is trying to get away

749
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,200
with more and more. 
I mean, at this point, blood 

750
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,200
knocks entrances. 
Are almost always, shall we say,

751
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,700
digestion specific. 
Did you ever Tire of that? 

752
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:16,900
I mean, It's most I think most 
people coming to the gun show as

753
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:21,600
we do today not as much because 
we're not hearing it in a row. 

754
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,800
When I mean when you got, when 
you got green shows in the late 

755
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,900
90s early 2000s, you got for gun
shows and you got like one from 

756
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:33,500
series 61 from Series 7, a 
vintage goons in a series 9. 

757
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:37,100
So you had all sorts of 
different blood docks where as 

758
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:41,900
if when you listen to the 
compendium and you're hearing 

759
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:47,100
things Like you know rid pipes 
silly Twisted boy over the 

760
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:52,100
course of 26 episodes and the 
realize what they're doing to 

761
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:55,900
that point. 
Yeah I think that blood knocks 

762
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:58,800
digestion could get a bit. 
I suppose. 

763
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,900
It depends how much you like for
jokes. 

764
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,700
Yeah. 
Which I don't. 

765
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:09,900
Anyway, that's my issue. 
So I'm kind of have lost here in

766
00:50:09,908 --> 00:50:12,100
terms of where we are, blue 
bottle turns out. 

767
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:14,700
You have see them playing a 
different part. 

768
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:18,500
I like the blood doc says curse 
these small budget shows because

769
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:22,300
we've just been talking about 
all of the budgetary issues. 

770
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:25,500
Before this season started, 
we're in blood docs for it at 

771
00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:28,800
this point because I after a 
good pipe and Moriarty put him 

772
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,000
together and discover that he is
a turned into more than one 

773
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,700
person we cut immediately to 
Kenya. 

774
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:38,500
Hmm. 
Where we get blood knock and we 

775
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:43,600
get Harry hoo boy. 
As blood knock points out is 

776
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,100
paying a different part. 
Yes. 

777
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:48,000
Presumably that is for the 
audience so that they did 

778
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,600
because, you know, Harry Sounds 
like Harry. 

779
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,900
No matter what he plays is this 
week, this is where Bowser comes

780
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:58,700
in, isn't it? 
The browser is interesting 

781
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:02,000
because he's not called Bowser 
in the script, all right? 

782
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:08,600
In the script he's called 
venting Oh, and in fact, in one 

783
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,400
of the bits that was put back in
for the compendium, blood knock 

784
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:16,900
says poor man's son of a 
Peruvian Prince here, eat this 

785
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:20,500
leg of a chicken so it was 
definitely meant to be Benzene 

786
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:24,400
in this case. 
Oh so that character that we 

787
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:30,300
know is Bowser who pops up now 
and again Is he I'm not, I'm not

788
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:36,700
sure if he's meant to be a 
character that benteen once did 

789
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,600
because I know in the very early
going shows that no longer exist

790
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,400
when they had a blood knock 
segments. 

791
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:47,600
Usually benteen was his second 
in command. 

792
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:51,000
Mmm. 
Okay, so it could stem from 

793
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,900
that. 
It could also just be spiked 

794
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:57,300
deciding he wanted to parody. 
Mike benteen. 

795
00:51:57,300 --> 00:51:59,300
I don't know, maybe I ran into 
him the other day. 

796
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:02,400
The interesting. 
I mean I'm sure this was not, I 

797
00:52:02,408 --> 00:52:06,700
know this wasn't the case but it
would be nice to think that that

798
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,500
spike it intended for might come
back for a little guest spot 

799
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,600
just for the show would be 
interesting. 

800
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:18,000
I well I don't think it I don't 
think that's the case but it 

801
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,500
would have been quite something 
but it'd be nice. 

802
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:22,300
Wouldn't thinking about that? 
It would have been nice around 

803
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:25,900
this time for my Banting to have
appeared in one show just just 

804
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:30,600
turned up you know, unannounced.
As Audrey, Pure Heart, maybe 

805
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,600
just just for one even want for 
one scene that would have been. 

806
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:34,900
That would have been lovely, 
wouldn't it? 

807
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:38,400
Yeah. 
We have blue bottle doing what 

808
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,600
he often did, which is basically
just being random guard, / 

809
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:47,100
Soldier and we get one of my one
of my favorite blue bottle 

810
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:49,700
intros. 
After he gets his Applause of 

811
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,800
which is partly the audience and
partly scripted ovations with 

812
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,500
for he's a jolly good fellow. 
Like is really milking the, the 

813
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:02,600
blue bottle entrance at this 
point. 

814
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,900
Hmm. 
And he says, over the summer 

815
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:09,400
Halls, he started to grow hair 
is on his little legs. 

816
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:14,400
Just the way Peter says, nature 
is preparing me for marriage. 

817
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:21,400
Always makes me crack up. 
There's a lot of gags here that 

818
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:27,300
I think we're sort of in their 
repertoire for variety stick 

819
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:30,400
such as Hit me like that. 
And see what happens. 

820
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,100
And they hit him again. 
See what happened or red 

821
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:36,100
bladder. 
You can't frighten me pistol 

822
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:37,600
shot. 
So he frightened me. 

823
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,400
Yeah, this is also starting with
serious night and moving into 

824
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,600
series 10 is where we start to 
hear what 12 years from now, or 

825
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,200
14 years from now is Spike, 
will, eventually start mining 

826
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,300
gags from these series for the 
last goon show of all. 

827
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,100
Hmm. 
Which is very much filled with 

828
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:02,800
Things he had written before, 
and we get that a little bit 

829
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,900
here with enable mostly gloss 
over it for obvious reasons. 

830
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:11,900
But Harry, playing an African, 
Chief, basically spouting 

831
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:16,000
gibberish and we get the tell 
him, we can't understand what 

832
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,200
he's saying, we're gibberish. 
And then Spike says, he doesn't 

833
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,600
understand what he's saying 
either. 

834
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:21,600
Yes. 
Yeah. 

835
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,300
Which I think, honestly, works 
better with Little Gym, frankly.

836
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,400
Yeah, it does, it does. 
So, all we need to do really, is

837
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:36,000
that the atomic Commission of 
concluded that when a nude woman

838
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,600
holding a rice pudding is struck
by an atom bomb. 

839
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,500
He turns into the number eight 
touring company of the Desert 

840
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:47,000
Song and, and they set up 
production facilities, To 

841
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,700
produce which of course actually
do produce many number eight 

842
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:56,000
touring companies of the Desert 
Song which again goon Logic the 

843
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:02,900
show ends and this only lasted 
for this show and the show after

844
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:07,000
it I was Monty's treble 
essentially they don't do the 

845
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,600
play out until after green. 
Slade's announcement. 

846
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:14,100
And he basically tells everyone 
we're done, go home and you hear

847
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:17,800
the sound of the audience Filing
out which I assume was 

848
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,800
pre-recorded rather than the 
actual audience filing out. 

849
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,800
Hmm. 
And it really doesn't work at 

850
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:28,800
all, you can hear why? 
After two episodes, they went 

851
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,900
back to doing the play out with 
greenslade it. 

852
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:36,300
I can sort of see they wanted to
try and do something different, 

853
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:40,400
but it just you're waiting for 
something to happen and it 

854
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,200
doesn't until Ding Dong. 
The Witch Is Dead, comes in I 

855
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,300
expect you'll surprised, but 
that was the Goon show in real 

856
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:50,800
life. 
They are disguised as well as 

857
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,200
starts Orchestra the real engine
quartet Max geldray heresy 

858
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,300
computer Sellers and Spike 
Milligan who also writes the 

859
00:55:57,300 --> 00:56:00,100
thing. 
The only unreal persons in this 

860
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:03,700
recording where Wallace 
greenslade an answer and the 

861
00:56:03,707 --> 00:56:06,600
producer, John brow, who prefers
to be called 

862
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,500
It was very, very hard time that
sort of thing. 

863
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:25,300
Particularly if you live, and I 
mean Spike had been and would in

864
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:29,800
series 9 playing with the lack 
of ending. 

865
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:33,600
He did that in series 8. 
Usually with the it's all in the

866
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,500
mind catchphrase. 
But with series 9 frequently, 

867
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:39,500
the show's would just come to a 
stop. 

868
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:42,300
I think. 
The one, which ends with them 

869
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:47,300
filing by firing back an empty 
plate where it just has blood 

870
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:49,200
dog saying, well that's it. 
I don't know. 

871
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,300
Where are the payoffs of 
yesteryear and then the 

872
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:55,800
orchestra comes in it's 
basically Spike admitting I came

873
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,800
up with a fantastic idea. 
It doesn't have to have a 

874
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,800
finisher, there doesn't need to 
be a punchline which of course 

875
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:08,600
he would use for Q and Monty 
Python would also run with when 

876
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,600
they realize that, that's what 
he was trying to do. 

877
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,600
Do well, the pythons distance 
the green show in the 50s, they 

878
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,500
learned and place, you know, 
they must have, you know, they 

879
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:18,800
would have been if they would 
have been exposed. 

880
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,800
Yes, and they are famously 
watched Q when they were getting

881
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,700
ready to do Python and then when
he's, he's doing what we're 

882
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:29,400
supposed to be doing. 
Exactly. 

883
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:33,000
Yeah, yeah. 
But no it overall a very 

884
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,500
enjoyable show, very funny show.
Would you use it as an 

885
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:40,600
introduction to a, you know, to 
take before I have before? 

886
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:47,600
Um, usually two people I know 
that like sort of louder more 

887
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:52,300
slam-bang type of Comedy because
the intro very much appeals to 

888
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:55,200
that sort of thing, the 
introductory five minutes. 

889
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,500
Or I've also used it when I'm 
trying to describe and yet, yes,

890
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:03,000
I do introduce people to go and 
show us like this because I am a

891
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,800
giant nerd. 
What I'm trying to describe the 

892
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,300
decline and fall of Moriarty. 
Hmm. 

893
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,500
Usually I use something like 
better. 

894
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:13,100
Putting hurler for early 
Moriarty. 

895
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,900
Yep. 
And this for late-period 

896
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:20,800
Moriarty because Moriarty is 
really grotesquely awful. 

897
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,400
There's there's one point we 
skipped over it where grid pipe 

898
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,700
is doing a speech to Nettie and 
at some point just stops and 

899
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:32,000
says, Moriarty don't do that 
please. 

900
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:37,000
There's no there's no indication
of what Moriarty is doing. 

901
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:42,500
It's absolutely my Mariana. 
She is the is the cat in the 

902
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:46,700
Goon show, who I was going to 
say develops, but he doesn't 

903
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:51,600
really develop to see. 
He woves, Moriarty is a devotee 

904
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:58,500
song and action. 
So as I say it is it enjoyable, 

905
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:02,900
show it begins series 9 which 
more or less you know is 

906
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:06,800
considered classic, it's a 
Triumph, I don't know what else 

907
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,300
to say, really? 
Yeah as I said I love talking 

908
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:14,400
about this show. 
I thought I'd I thought I'd get 

909
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,300
it out there because I didn't 
want to see other people talk 

910
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:20,900
about it when I'm like I have so
many things to say about this 

911
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:23,700
show. 
Well you're going to come back 

912
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:24,700
at some point. 
I'm sure. 

913
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:28,500
To talk about six years six. 
Charlie's and well I had 

914
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:32,900
actually because I you have gas 
on doing all sorts of things, 

915
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:35,900
you know, Peter Sellers films 
and you know the career of Mike 

916
00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:38,800
Banting and that sort of thing. 
And I thought I don't want to 

917
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:43,100
get pigeonholed into just doing 
gun shows and so I thought of 

918
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:47,900
looking into a because I'm also 
a big fan as the wrong word. 

919
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:51,200
I study Watergate a lot, the 
Nixon Scandal. 

920
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,700
Yeah, and when I got my 
encyclopedia Guna, It came with 

921
00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:59,100
a low-level recording of low 
quality, recording of, he's 

922
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:03,100
innocent of Watergate, which was
an LPS that Peter and Spike had 

923
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:06,800
made in 1974. 
And I thought, oh, that sounds 

924
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,700
interesting. 
I bet I could talk about that 

925
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,000
and then I listened to it. 
Yeah, some very good, it's 

926
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:17,100
awful. 
I think it may be the worst 

927
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:21,500
thing they did in 1973 and 74 
and as you can imagine, that has

928
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:25,300
some tough competition does. 
Yeah. 

929
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:28,800
Goes to Noonday Sun but just on 
the Watergate. 

930
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,500
Yeah, I'm with you brother. 
Big, big fan of that, sort of 

931
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:34,300
period. 
I love All the President's Men. 

932
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,600
One of my favorite films ever, 
when I was 2 or 3 years old or 

933
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,000
three or four years old, the 
book had just come out and my 

934
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,800
mother had a copy of it in our 
upstairs, half bath, And so when

935
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,200
I was, when I was getting up in 
the middle of the night, I would

936
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:55,700
because I was teaching myself to
read. 

937
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:58,000
I would pee reading All the 
President's Men. 

938
01:00:58,300 --> 01:01:04,200
The way that some people read 
Dick, and Jane, Which probably 

939
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,400
explains a lot about my 
personality, very happy for you 

940
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,700
to come back and talk about as I
say six Charlie's or if you want

941
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:15,900
to talk about a film or anything
else really it's entirely up to 

942
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:17,400
you? 
Sure as ever think about it. 

943
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:21,900
Yeah. 
And I you can if you want to 

944
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,900
hear more of me, find me on 
Twitter. 

945
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:28,800
Yes. 
So coach in the OU K OC, Haan 

946
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:34,200
though be advised that if you 
follow me in general, you may 

947
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:39,200
find me talking less about 50s 
British radio comedy and more 

948
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:45,500
about Illegal golf Mafia anime 
shows. 

949
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:51,300
So a better idea might be 
following hashtag goon show one 

950
01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:54,700
word just going to say you've 
reminded me, I'm so sorry. 

951
01:01:54,700 --> 01:01:57,500
You've had to remind me of this.
You have been doing some 

952
01:01:57,500 --> 01:02:02,200
Sterling work on Twitter in 
terms of examining gun shows in 

953
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,100
chronological order. 
Yeah, they're sort of trivia 

954
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:08,100
threads. 
I started it with with series 

955
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:13,400
five, more because I wanted to 
focus on Are the geldray and 

956
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,800
Ellington numbers and examine 
where they came from and how 

957
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,800
recent they were, because if you
listen to gun shows in order, 

958
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,600
you'll notice how much 
contemporary pop gray Ellington 

959
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:31,000
is putting into it where you 
get, you know, a single adjust 

960
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,300
come out in two months later. 
Ray was performing it on the 

961
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:34,400
Goon show. 
Yeah. 

962
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:38,400
And it eventually sort of as I, 
you know, started looking at a 

963
01:02:38,408 --> 01:02:42,800
via the encyclopedia Gonna Kiss 
which An be found by becoming a 

964
01:02:42,808 --> 01:02:44,000
member of the Goon show 
preservation. 

965
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,500
Society get in get in the plug 
there. 

966
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,000
Absolutely. 
It's sort of became more of a 

967
01:02:49,008 --> 01:02:53,200
trivia thread showing off, you 
know, deviations are 

968
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,800
developments in character bits 
that were cut references that 

969
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:03,100
nobody gets and whether it got a
transcription Services addition,

970
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:06,000
or whether it got a pic of the 
goons Edition, mmm, it's a lot 

971
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,500
of fun and I've had some good 
responses to it. 

972
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:15,400
I usually when I get to one that
has had a gun pod done by you, I

973
01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:19,100
always try and tag you in it. 
Do which I'm very grateful. 

974
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:21,800
Thank you very much yeah. 
So she absolutely check out 

975
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,100
check out check out those. 
And as Sean said join the Goon 

976
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:30,100
show preservation society and 
then you get access you have to 

977
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:33,000
stump up a few quid but it's 
very reasonable for what? 

978
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,400
You get, the encyclopedia Guna 
kiss, which just got everything 

979
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,500
on, its got the scripts. 
It's got ya, anybody who you? 

980
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:44,100
You, look at it and you're like,
wow, this is a lot. 

981
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:47,200
I still haven't gone through all
of it now it has been An 

982
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,000
invaluable for for purposes of 
this podcast really has been 

983
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,000
cause for the first, I didn't 
get it for. 

984
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,000
I was waiting to get the new 
edition and then I'd various 

985
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,200
reasons, I didn't get it 
straight away. 

986
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:02,700
So the first would be the first 
year of this show is being kind 

987
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:05,900
of kind of Flying Blind almost, 
you know what I mean? 

988
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:07,700
The encyclopedia units Gonna 
Kiss. 

989
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:11,400
Has been invaluable for research
purposes when talking about gun 

990
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,000
shows more. 
Yes. 

991
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,200
What more usually. 
And by the way, I have mentioned

992
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,600
previously, the Doing show 
preservation Society. 

993
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:24,900
There's a Dunkin gray is working
on a new website, which I think 

994
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:29,100
is long overdue hope they don't 
mind me saying well I 100% 

995
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:30,300
agree. 
Yep. 

996
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:33,300
And that I think that may well 
have launched by the time the 

997
01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:38,400
show goes out so drastic. 
Check that out and yeah. 

998
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,400
Sure. 
And thank you once again and you

999
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,400
and I will be speaking. 
Again, towards the end of the 

1000
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,200
year, I think talking about 
listeners top 20 gun shows. 

1001
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:49,400
Yeah, we do hear what they are 
suspect. 

1002
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,100
I'll be hearing about Napoleon's
piano, just an idea. 

1003
01:04:52,100 --> 01:05:00,200
Yeah, if anyone wants to email 
me any comments, or any favorite

1004
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,200
shows goon show episodes for the
for the top 20 list. 

1005
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:10,800
My email address is Tyler dot 
Adams 1974 at gmail.com or as I 

1006
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:16,700
say, you can DM me on Twitter or
on the Facebook group so please 

1007
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:20,500
check that out. 
Another plea is pleased If 

1008
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:25,200
people could rate and review on.
Is it still called iTunes? 

1009
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:27,500
I don't know if it is as it. 
Now, Apple podcasts, I get 

1010
01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:31,100
Collide guests and yet Spotify. 
Yeah. 

1011
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:33,900
If it all those places, if you 
could, please rate and review 

1012
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:37,700
and all the rest, the show is 
building up a really strong head

1013
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:42,300
of steam and lots of new 
listeners, particularly recent 

1014
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:46,700
show we did on the Beatles and 
the goons that has gone down. 

1015
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:49,100
Extremely Only well and peppers.
An excellent show. 

1016
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,400
I'll thank you very much, picked
up a load of new listeners of 

1017
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,600
the back of that so welcome to 
all them. 

1018
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:56,800
I think that's pretty much all 
the housekeeping now. 

1019
01:05:57,100 --> 01:06:01,100
So Sean, thank you once again 
and we will speak again soon. 

1020
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:02,900
Yes. 
Thank you very much, Tyler. 

1021
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:04,300
It's wonderful to be on the 
show. 

1022
01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:49,100
Only well and peppers. 
An excellent show. 

1023
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,400
I'll thank you very much, picked
up a load of new listeners of 

1024
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,600
the back of that so welcome to 
all them. 

1025
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:56,800
I think that's pretty much all 
the housekeeping now. 

1026
01:05:57,100 --> 01:06:01,100
So Sean, thank you once again 
and we will speak again soon. 

1027
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:02,900
Yes. 
Thank you very much, Tyler. 

1028
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:04,300
It's wonderful to be on the 
show.