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Recorded guy with the trunk in 
the John. 

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Ha ha, ha, chocolaty clothes 
chocolate eclairs. 

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Ask you what could be more 
beautiful? 

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More desirable than my job? 
The declares I love you. 

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Do understand nod your head if 
you understand. 

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I love you. 
I love love, love you. 

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Hello and welcome to do pod this
week. 

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I'm talking to the scaffold. 
The acclaimed comedy review 

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group and hit makers who formed 
in the early 60s and were part 

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of that generation, which 
followed in the wake of the 

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goons and were much influenced 
by them, such as the, On The 

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Fringe, the bonzo's and later 
Python and the goodies. 

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I hope you enjoy the interview 
which is not focusing so much on

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the goons but we do discuss them
and Spike Milligan in 

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particular. 
It was a real treat speaking to 

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the three of them. 
When I was at Primary School, 

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way back in the 1980s, every 
Friday afternoon. 

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We would be herded into the 
Assembly Hall and made to sing. 

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A whole bunch of songs 
accompanied by mrs. 

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Muir on an upright piano, which 
was very, very badly in need of 

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tuning. 
None of us kids enjoyed this 

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ordeal and the more rebellious 
of our number would either mouth

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the words or simply not even 
attempt to join in. 

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While always being wary of Is 
the Massey's roving eye and 

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Readiness with a steel ruler, 
the songs were usually terrible 

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and included, things like 
Granddad and toe knee chest. 

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Nut nose eye, love him, which 
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well as singing and, and also 
things like the Banana Boat 

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Song, the only time any of us 
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And actually engaged, with the 
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occasions, when the gods Shawn 
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Muir would play the first few 
notes of Lily the pink and they 

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would, Be a wolf of recognition,
which would ring around the hall

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and we'd all sing along lustily,
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jumping up along with the chorus
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all. 
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song by the scaffold and another
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my childhood in a quite 
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I'll come back to the other song
later so it gives me enormous 

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pleasure to welcome them to the 
podcast. 

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Roger mcgough, Gorman and Mike 
McCartney. 

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Hello, hello, Tyler. 
Thank you very much. 

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Thank you for joining me today. 
And this is ahead of you. 

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You're coming back together for 
a special show or two shows, I 

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believe on the 29th of October 
at the every man in Liverpool 

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and this is, I didn't know that.
Yeah, one of the scaffold. 

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Sorry, I'm just getting 
together. 

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Where is it? 
Where is it? 

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Liverpool. 
Yeah, just in case there's 

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anyone, listen to this because I
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there's anyone listening to this
who's not aware. 

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I mean, this is, this is to Mark
the I guess it's the 60th 

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anniversary of the three of you 
first performing together coming

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together and Performing now. 
I think I'm right in saying On 

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John, you were one of the if not
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first merseyside Arts Festival. 
Is that right? 

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I that was in June with that was
June the 6th 1962. 

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Okay. 
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over. 
I wanted to keep the name alive.

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Go to avoid having to wait 12 
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people have lost interest. 
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on a regular basis and I rang NG
Leslie blond who only hope Hall 

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which is now the Everman theater
to see whether he could help. 

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And he gave me a Tuesday evening
because it was nothing happening

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because the cinema that was 
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week on and we're only doing 
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So he, I went to mr. 
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the building? 
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available. 
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And on an October 1962. 
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people turned up and rather 
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I was at the every moment last 
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But a poetry reading and is in 
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people, there are you joking? 
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lady all-electric show, well, we
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We were I'd just a gang of 
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more people turned up to perform
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probably twit between 20 and 30.
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they were doing poetry. 
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They were doing music, and I had
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Blue Angel Club because that was
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the groups who have been playing
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and is reputed to be over 900 
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they finish digging. 
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So in to see Alan, and he agreed
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Wednesday, and Thursday, because
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Saturday, and Sunday. 
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And from the 20 yard that were 
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chose eight. 
Which included Mike Collins 

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Jenny BT. 
Mike McCartney, Roger mcgough, 

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helium Mortimer. 
Of us and we need of the title 

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know most of us lived in 
Liverpool 8. 

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So they thought well, that big 
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ourselves, the Liverpool, won 
fat lady which is bingo 

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terminology 48. 
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will not doing any music. 
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night, we all turned up and 
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very small stage and Alan said, 
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So we start at one side of the 
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title though. 
He livable one fat lady 

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non-electric show Allen enjoyed 
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to the small stage and said, 
ladies and gentlemen, first time

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down here, the gray people who 
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it's the ladies Fat loss Factor,
ladies, the ladies of the number

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and any way they are. 
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on you tonight, exactly the same
Wednesday night, exactly the 

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same. 
So we said it's never going to 

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catch on this name. 
So we need a better name, so I 

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was living in 88 Rodney Street. 
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what we should do. 
I had a book called roget's 

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thesaurus, which means red hot 
glue coming together when they 

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open the first opened. 
It just a page at random and the

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top left. 
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The first word was football. 
So we kicked that around for a 

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while. 
Oh, I get it. 

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Very nice so we couldn't make 
that catching open the page 

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another page and the top left 
hand corner was scaffold. 

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There's an LP out at the time 
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I was a film called lift of the 
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It's good for ya. 
So we said, well, we'll try it 

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for 10 years. 
Is that the music genres? 

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What was I wrong? 
Yeah, I mean there's an LP mind.

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I'll tell you, is on the cover 
of the Miles Davis. 

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I know this to recently. 
It was young, Morrow was on the 

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cover of the right move is 
lifted. 

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This couple do then got in the 
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She'd be great game if you bring
the perfect. 

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On yes, yes. 
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would you doing your poetry? 
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university, that was no seizure 
and local. 

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Yeah. 
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Later to be televisions Lewis 
Collins that right. 

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Bones are ladies Barber 
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If he sent her handing up to a 
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who kept saying, I go to the 
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events and happenings and you 
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artistic. 
I wanted to go to art college 

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and couldn't get in and so I 
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watch these people John Roger 
Adrian Henry was part of the and

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by the way John you know that 
big Thing. 

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We keep saying the Liverpool won
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I've all you all my life, I 
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original piece of paper what we 
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Liverpool, One fat lady all 
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that lady didn't. 
It's on a piece of paper and 

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I've got the proof and that's 
that Okay, Mike. 

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What did you do? 
What did you build yourself as 

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me? 
Yeah, I was night in the car. 

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Me, you're my blank. 
I crying. 

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Oh no, no, thank you. 
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that, Tyler. 
And so you could remembrance 

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thank you. 
I helped John Gorman. 

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Watching my God agent Henry. 
Jennifer BT and Syria Mortimer. 

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A greatly coming from my lady's.
Apprentice, Barber ship. 

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And going to the Hope or All the
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help them and particularly John 
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greatly for many, many months. 
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merseyside Arts Festival 
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greatly worked so hard for the 
eventual scuffle. 

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I thought it's going to be great
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for all the hard work I've done 
so is only 86 bus. 

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Going down to false, then rode 
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smoke and they're on the piece 
of babe, I opened up the main 

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contributors and I read them. 
All right, Graham bathroom, but 

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all of government work off all 
these wonderful people. 

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My name isn't there, so I 
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So I went to the back and 
there's like extra people and 

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they're all like, nobody's that 
did nothing. 

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And I thought, I hoped so much 
that and then I went back to the

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front of what I had forgotten to
tell you all is right in the 

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beginning of this one. 
Calm was doing the right being. 

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What's your name again to me? 
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group of very popular group, 
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And our surname, my name is 
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getting a bit sort of famous at 
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And so I II. 
He said, what's your name? 

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I said oh God, leave that blank 
as a joke but Ian and so there I

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go back to the fronting there, 
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the people that contributed was 
Michael blank. 

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T belong and you got you seem to
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You seem to get on telly quite 
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Yes. 
We would Talent spotted that 

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when we were doing the Blue 
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What are the friends of Celia's?

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Her boyfriend was a journalist 
Rod Jones, who worked with the 

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people and Tom Brennan, Android 
bottomley who Tom was from 

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Crosby. 
They ran a news agency in 

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Manchester, but television, for 
ABC, television and Peaceable 

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only had been doing an insert 
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he left Liverpool to become a 
monk in Africa, and so they rang

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up. 
Do you know anybody in Liverpool

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who could take his place and he 
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girlfriend. 
Who goes on to the blue engine. 

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See her friend. 
She told me about this group and

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one of the people who's leading 
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And so, one morning, there was a
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in darkness trees and Liverpool,
I own didn't Rod Jones says can 

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you ring this number in 
Manchester come Brennan, reverse

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charges went to a phone box. 
I rang them up and he said, what

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we're interested in all these 
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appearing a loophole. 
But we wanted to do somebody, 

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somebody come along and do a 
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So I said yeah okay no problems.
They sent a limousine from 

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Manchester. 
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Pick me up from the flat drove 
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I did the insert just doing 
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paid me £12.50 at the time. 
I was on the Dole getting four 

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pounds and the The limousine 
brought me back to Liverpool 

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three weeks later. 
I got a telegram to say, would 

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you ring tomblin? 
And again, I'll be, there is 

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charged, I rang him. 
He said, have you seen the 

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article in the Echo from the 
Liverpool cancel because the so 

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fed up with all this pop 
nonsense in Liverpool, they want

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to commission somebody to write 
a play about the nicer part of 

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love but like chilled wall, and 
they're going to pay them two 

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thousand pounds. 
Because Tom Brandon was from, 

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Crosby. 
He said well you and I know that

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nobody incur in chilled well, 
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It all comes from a mixture of 
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So I said, okay, well we do have
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This is a Shakespearean liberal 
Shakespearean actor. 

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I said it takes two people, so 
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It's okay. 
And I ran round to Rogers. 

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Living. 
In 44, canning, Street told him 

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about it. 
Was they sent a limousine? 

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Pickers both up on the Saturday?
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Sketch. 
They livable active to be or not

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to be. 
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Whether tis nobler in the mind 
to it, him distinction to suffer

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the slings and arrows. 
So for the slings and arrows and

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arrows arrows, over them 
Outrageous. 

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Fortune Outrageous Fortune. 
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They paid us both £12.50 each 
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But what we did when we had said
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go into the green room and we'll
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So, impress them had just been 
how funny we are at work because

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they were looking for a 
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night. 
She'd been ABC at large Lloyd, 

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surely was the zoo was, he was 
from Ridgely, from Canada and he

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heard about this. 
So here we got contacted Clyde. 

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Got numerous the director Actors
about would be interested in 

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doing a pilot. 
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do the pilot so it was Roger 
Mike, Adrian, Henry, Jenny BG, 

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and myself, we went down to 
Teddington lock all expenses, 

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increase Eagle. 
We went on the British Eagle 

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plane. 
All right, and then we did the 

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pilot came back up to back home 
and Lloyd then. 

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You said well we're interested 
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So we'd like to answer before 
you make a decision but doing a 

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show at the opal and Sunday 
evening, why didn't you come and

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see, you got a better idea. 
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the front rows. 
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dressed in suits and alike. 
So you knew they weren't normal 

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people. 
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went to the Blue Angel to chat 
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Lloyd, surely. 
He says, yeah, definitely want 

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to use you guys but I've got a 
small favor to ask ask away. 

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He said, well you Roger and 
Mike. 

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Okay, but I'm just a little bit 
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Jenny, he said, because they are
a little on the plump side. 

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And at that time television, if 
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it was flattened. 
Yeah, major look bigger. 

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So, he said that we've got these
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been working with John White and
shield firm like to like it to 

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do a pilot with them. 
See how he gets on, we said 

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yeah. 
Okay, so I had to tell Jenny and

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Adrian went on Aidan never spoke
to me again because he's nice. 

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Is that John again Zach is that 
we were all has yet became 

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possessed. 
Yeah. 

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Then we'll book to do seven 
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other weeks. 
If it worked, we did I moved for

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those seven weeks. 
We, each got 44 pounds each. 

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That's right. 
All our expenses when we went 

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down to London, we got the 
£12.50 substance symptoms 

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substance. 
And then maybe, when we went up 

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to match, we got all our 
expenses. 

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So we then went and the pocket. 
We got paid extra money. 

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When we did finish the seven 
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another six weeks. 
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eventually did 26 weeks. 
Wow! 

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And then so when it was over, I 
had in the bank, I had over 

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1,600 pounds and I opened a 
boutique in Liverpool with the 

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money. 
Yeah, because we've been on 

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television, we were then we 
could play anywhere in the 

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Northwest. 
We, we were not non-stop playing

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clubs and places like that. 
So, That was a long as if you 

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like into the world of Show 
Business. 

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Joining, one of the shows in the
audience of the, the television 

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show, Pat Burke, who was our 
agent and brought along Tom 

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Mitchell from Edinburgh who 
owned the Travis theater. 

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And he saw isn't talk, we were 
really brilliant and he booked 

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us to appear at the Travis 
theater. 

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Unfortunate. 
The festival was over by then, 

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but we Pierce immediately at the
Edinburgh, festival, and 

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finished in the Travis are 
seated 60, people within three 

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weeks and immediate were 
immediately booked to do the 

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following year and then we did 
the next selling seven years 

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going to invest, what mom. 
So it is all a matter of like a 

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degree of luck. 
But being in the right place at 

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the right time doing the right 
thing, Tyler, do you want to 

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hear little story about the 60 
Sita Travis? 

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Oh God. 
Yeah, please who's great, that. 

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Tiny little place and the big 
trick that the end of the things

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first half was to get up to the 
bars. 

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Two staircases on either side of
the stage through very thick 

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tenement building, on the way 
the wrote to the Royal Mile and 

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the big trick was to get up to 
the bar before the audience to 

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get your drinking. 
And so I'm watching John and 

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rods doing this. 
I'll tell you what it was. 

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This Must Be. 
This Must Be Love. 

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And You Remember John, Raj, that
one time, when the drunken 

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Scotsman, you probably remember 
his hair was in a sketch of ever

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seen in my life. 
That's yeah, that's why he said 

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this must be, this must be a 
sketch of my life. 

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So anyway, we had a good that 
one was Quick, I had to get up 

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to the bar so I linked up the 
boys are just and love Must Be 

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Love. 
What up the stairs? 

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Got to the bar, just get me 
ordering, and there's a couple 

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out of the corner of my eye 
obviously professionals, and 

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linked up the back of the 
circuit to get to the bar first.

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But I just watched about the 
corner of my eye and got my 

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drinking scotch and Coke, 
whatever it was for the boys. 

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And then eventually we just 
about to go Look down at the 

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could field daggers coming from 
the to as I victims will post 

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and that their the end of the 
bar. 

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These to the record Richard 
Burton and Elizabeth Taylor, 

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never heard of them. 
Well, there's a card codicil to 

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that because when I went up to 
the bar later on, there was 

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nobody else in there except this
couple in the corner. 

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Thanks, and Tom, the barman 
behind the bars. 

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Big mirror, where all the 
glasses were kept and I go Go to

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the bar and as Mike said, there 
was this couple of. 

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But they say the man had his 
back to me and Tom came. 

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I said, could you serve a glass 
of beer because the adrenaline 

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for doing the show, he broke the
glass. 

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Oh, and as I lifted up the glass
and I looked in the the mirror I

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could see that the man with his 
back to me was Richard Burton. 

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So I tapped him on the shoulder 
and he turned to me and said, 

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Dickie, big admirer of yours is 
it all It'll buy you a drink? 

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Yes, I'll have a scotch, please.
I tell, how did he tell you 

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what? 
He take to Dickie. 

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Just took it normally. 
I mean, I think you should too 

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shocked anyway. 
I tend to Thomas said, large 

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whiskey for my friend. 
Please look around Richard and I

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said, what about you? 
Judy? 

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And she looked across the do Jin
please. 

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I said, no large in the Dickies 
Judy, and they picked up the 

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glasses. 
I picked up my, I drank mine. 

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They took a sip and I'd finish 
and I tend to go and he said, 

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oh, I'll buy you drink now. 
And I said, no, it's alright 

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because I know you act as don't 
get paid very much the way but 

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it was no, it wasn't in his 
Memoirs a checked. 

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Are you joking? 
Roger. 

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The names the places, but put 
them together in a sequence, 

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going to quite in sync, you even
becoming, I guess you were 

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becoming better known well known
being on TV and everything. 

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How are you reacting to that? 
Well, that took a while ready 

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because I was again, I was 
already a teacher when I started

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and then I gave that up when 
Johnson we got one on telly and 

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that was I was good. 
I am never taking early 

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retirement as I truth. 
For four years. 

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And then I took a return or if I
just stayed on another like 

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three or four years teaching, 
I've got the pension teachers, 

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pension all my life never did. 
So the pensions are the basic 

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one. 
That's my only regret and but it

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was. 
Yeah, it was all, I don't say 

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this or exciting and really, and
just being there meeting Brennan

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and bottomley, who are very 
important people in our lives. 

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And Lord, surely ABC, television
and Clyde could ruin, became our

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director, a friend of ours. 
And it seemed to be the way to 

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go. 
We didn't question it and we 

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just went along, and, of course,
then we got onto BBC, and 

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working, then, it became a sort 
of more more difficult because 

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people were less and you agree, 
that's when when Billy cotton 

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and people were head of BBC, 
they're not exactly joonyoung 

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review people, you know, Who 
became your couldn't Cambridge 

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Footlights will be different and
working-class little pool. 

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That was a lot of people have 
and look people I think, you 

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know, we're a bit as the way 
about the Poetry, you know, 

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poetry is belongs somewhere has 
its place in society and it's 

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not really in in Liverpool and 
cell phones. 

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So you know that go into this, 
that's different. 

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There was just one, we I think 
we broke lots of fun. 

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We made it easier for lots of 
people to dance with the 

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scaffold. 
Doing what we do. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
Good job to be able to sing like

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good records, except my car. 
Well, that's going to say some. 

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So you transitioned you would 
you have mainly doing more sort 

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of performance in comedy. 
And then you see to transition 

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to 
It on some guy in Nigeria, found

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this extraordinary type of 
scaffold live at The Talk of the

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Town and there's a bit in. 
It were its we hadn't seen this.

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We have to go, John Raj, Mike 
had to go with the given the 

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family to the BFI and London to 
see this thing broadcast in 

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front of them, a little 
audience. 

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And so we're watching this thing
and so it's as though we're in 

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the audience were watching these
people and their Prime, the 

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white suits etcetera, singing 
sketches Etc and suddenly came 

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to the Poetry bit and there is 
Roger and Andy Roberts doing a 

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very serious boy poem. 
And I thought to myself, oh boy 

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this is going to be a big test 
of really What what what you 

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just said then what we were 
doing was that I was very heavy,

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comment in a nice little Lively 
whack of wit way is Roger doing 

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his part. 
I'm really thinking shit is too 

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heavy for the audience so he did
it and he's a very, very 

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straight. 
I just thought the audience will

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God. 
It got to the end and he does it

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last His guitar and the audience
went apeshit. 

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They loved it. 
Nothing. 

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Like the King was 
released in 1974, which was Him 

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Live performing at Cambridge 
University and it was him and 

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the musician. 
We tailor, the Jeremy was 

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Jeremy. 
Yep. 

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Was there with this guitar and 
during was, he's great. 

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I love his stuff and Jeremy. 
So much Spike would just be 

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doing. 
It was just like a mixed bag of 

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poetry of jokes of readings from
the war, Memoirs pakkun and 

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things like that to order to an 
audience of largely of students,

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okay? 
And the majority of it was Yeah 

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it was funny was it was gags it 
was jokes and things like that 

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but then occasionally Spike 
would recite a serious poem like

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he did a poem about our F K's 
assassination and you could hear

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a pin drop. 
And there was a there was a It 

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just a kind of an awkwardness to
it. 

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I see barbaric. 
Sodium City lamps pretending. 

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They can see they make a new Mad
Darkness beyond their orange 

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pools, the black endlessness of 
time beckons and what in that? 

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Unseen dark tomorrow is waiting,
that iron sharp tomorrow coming 

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on unknown Wheels, who was the 
driver? 

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Will he see us all in time? 
But quite was they worship the 

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serious but is about his poetry,
that's when I met him. 

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Jimmy's book, Tales go to his 
books. 

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His poetry books and is always 
one of his books and Hunters to 

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Roger a fellow sufferer, right? 
And that's what I thought it 

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was. 
Worried about the world from the

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web from early early Agent Lee. 
He's a oh yeah nervous and 

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panicky. 
Absolutely but remember when 

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those men Lisa August 1996 my 
daughter was born and is about 

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just being born and excited. 
Nestle. 

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And then, the foam goes one 
morning and pick it up. 

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Spike, do I? 
I know, sometimes my memories 

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are there. 
Baby's. 

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All right. 
Yeah, yeah yeah. 

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Growing body of your many people
involved. 

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You know, it's Eric Bakker 
tessellations by but that's 

447
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,000
that's the thing. 
It means we squared off, it 

448
00:32:36,008 --> 00:32:39,600
could be P here. 
Do you need for five kids of his

449
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,500
own? 
Yeah, 

450
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:55,700
I mentioned at the beginning 
that there was another song of 

451
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:59,700
yours that I I grew up with when
I was because I grew up in, you 

452
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,400
may have picked up from my 
accent that I grew up on the 

453
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,000
other side of the world and in 
it's not far enough away. 

454
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:13,700
Hey, it is it is but but every 
every other year I want to say 

455
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:17,800
in the 80s when I was growing 
up, we had Telly. 

456
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,800
Thought Ellie's on weekends, 
where it was just like comic 

457
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,900
relief before comic relief if 
you know what I mean, you know, 

458
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:27,100
the sort of thing and it was you
would have international Stars. 

459
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,600
The ones that you know the ones 
that were prepared to travel to 

460
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,100
New Zealand for a minimal fee. 
Like, Christopher Quentin from 

461
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:37,100
Corey Street people that, you 
know, but the point I want to 

462
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:40,600
make is that every now and then 
because it was, it was like a 24

463
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,800
hour or 48-hour live 
Extravaganza on the TV and every

464
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,000
couple of hours, they would stop
everything and say, right? 

465
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,100
Look at, let's look at the total
money that we've raised so far 

466
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,500
and whatever it would be, you 
know, three and a half million 

467
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,400
dollars or whatever and everyone
would share Here. 

468
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,300
And then they would play. 
Thank you very much for about 5 

469
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:03,800
minutes, then everyone would 
sort of clapping cheering, jump 

470
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,400
up and down. 
I'm at the RS4 that. 

471
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:15,100
Yeah, and that was your first 
rips. 

472
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:17,699
I think you had it. 
You'd had a hit before then, but

473
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:20,100
thank you very much with your 
first real hits it, right? 

474
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,699
The first record release was 
called today's Monday and it 

475
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:29,000
sold 5,000 records. 
Next record we released was good

476
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,699
bat night, man, that sold 350 
records. 

477
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,800
It's okay. 
And so am I in the right said? 

478
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:39,600
Well, that's basically it, but 
we would come. 

479
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,500
They would committed because of 
contracts through Brian Epstein 

480
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:45,400
that we had to have a new single
every year. 

481
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,199
And Mike had gone down to London
with this idea. 

482
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,699
Thank you very much song and we 
recorded it but they wouldn't 

483
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,000
release it because they didn't 
think it'd go anywhere and as 

484
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,300
rich Richard Armitage from Mil 
Gaya agency, who would medicine 

485
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:05,200
in Edinburgh. 
One show and persuade us to sign

486
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,900
with him. 
So, we left Brian scientist 

487
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:10,300
Richard and he said, he got 
anything on going. 

488
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,700
We said, well, Mike Stone this 
song. 

489
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:13,500
Thank you very much with here, 
my God. 

490
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:18,500
So he ran up rang up Rod, white 
who was one of the principal 

491
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:21,800
people there and said, could he 
send over a copy of the record? 

492
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,400
Richard played it. 
And thought this is going to be 

493
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,100
a winner and persuaded him to 
release. 

494
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:30,400
Says, and that was early October
in 1907. 

495
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:34,300
Hold on, John. 
Don't forget the bit where they 

496
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:37,400
had because we didn't sell any 
records. 

497
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,300
They cancel the center's. 
A letter saying you crap. 

498
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:42,900
You don't sell records. 
Yeah. 

499
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,100
We'll let you go. 
Yeah, Armitage had a letter 

500
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,000
saying you finished yet but I 
say he persuaded. 

501
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,900
Send the record over. 
Yeah. 

502
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:56,000
And when he listened to it he 
persuaded them to release it 

503
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,800
which they did earlier. 
October 67 and because I had 

504
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:07,600
this Boutique and in Liverpool 
and the girls were machinist and

505
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,500
it came in one lunchtime and the
record was played on radio 

506
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:18,600
merseyside and all the girls 
went into the top hundred, 

507
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,100
something like 97 and then it 
jumped to the top 50. 

508
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:27,900
Jump to the top 30 went into the
top 20 then, when Into the top 

509
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:30,700
10 and ended up at number four 
in the chart. 

510
00:36:40,600 --> 00:37:01,600
Thank you very much for the bed 
and that opened. 

511
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,900
So many doors for us because we 
got so far with the television 

512
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,700
series, but the record is admit 
different. 

513
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:12,400
Audience. 
The record in itself was 

514
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,600
inspiring in that respect, and 
lots of people, loved it, like 

515
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,700
the royal family. 
Print remember, Princess 

516
00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:23,400
Margaret when we did that Royal 
concert as she was walking along

517
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,900
the line with Tony 
armstrong-jones. 

518
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,200
And she came to us and said, oh 
yes, let's go girls. 

519
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:36,100
We've been practicing, you know,
very much and I said, gosh, you 

520
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:39,700
sound just like something from 
Liverpool and you remember, 

521
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,400
Toney Armstrong. 
Joan has a had a velvet jacket 

522
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,700
on the green Bond and used him 
where he got it from and he 

523
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:50,300
wouldn't answer because he can't
ask them questions. 

524
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,200
Yeah, really. 
I'm Vince is Alexander to member

525
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,300
me John with the big black 
velvet tie. 

526
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:03,500
Yeah, and I was wearing that 
somewhere, another Royal 

527
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:08,800
occasion, but no, that was at 
the Savoy Hotel but we doing Tom

528
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,200
the Tommy shop with With 80th 
birthday, that's right. 

529
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,700
And we although they want to do 
is to sing the song, and it's 

530
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:22,000
the that group that back does. 
We rehearse the number in this 

531
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:26,600
small room and they princess 
Alexandra and Tommy swaths up 

532
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,500
with and Lady suppers and other 
people were in the banqueting 

533
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:32,800
room next door. 
Having a meal when they finish 

534
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,600
the old came in, those 20 of 
them, Tommy, and Lady shop. 

535
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:43,400
It's a tenacity with all these 
People behind including the 

536
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,400
princess Alexander and her 
husband Ogilvy. 

537
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:50,400
Yeah, and he was drunk, he could
hardly stand. 

538
00:38:50,700 --> 00:39:40,900
That's right. 
You took my number think she 

539
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:44,900
took yours. 
Is finally no no, it's a 

540
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:47,500
finished that thing. 
You're absolutely right. 

541
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:49,400
John? 
Think I thinkwell John. 

542
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,400
Let's be honest. 
I think ask him for us. 

543
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,800
I think you are after your 
cousin Logan was out of it as 

544
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,900
Princess Anna was after was it 
well anyway lady we know 

545
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:08,600
whatever name is came up to me 
and like you know the big velvet

546
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:10,000
Black Velvet. 
I Hi. 

547
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:15,000
And she leant over to me and 
stroke the time sort of feeling 

548
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:21,400
the quality of of the velvet and
I and she said, oh what a 

549
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Charming? 
Ty, did you have it made? 

550
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,200
Is that? 
Yeah, did actually and they said

551
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,500
it's just like yours. 
And I've forgotten the Royals 

552
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,800
and it suddenly went over to 
test her velvet and I was making

553
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,600
a right Royal breast of myself. 
Oh Lord, good. 

554
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:46,000
The scaffold. 
She's very neat. 

555
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,900
Mike. 
I'm not going to ask you the 

556
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:51,100
question everyone. 
Asks I'm not going to bother 

557
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,000
asking about the entry I and 
what that means. 

558
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:54,400
Okay. 
I know. 

559
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,800
How do you know how that song 
was conceived? 

560
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:03,500
I do, I don't good. 
Well, this is the thing because 

561
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:07,000
I know that it was to thank your
brother for for a camera, wasn't

562
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,600
it? 
And they can't gamma it. 

563
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:13,200
But is this correct? 
And this might be complete 

564
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,000
Hokum, but is it right that your
brother advised you to drop the 

565
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,400
angel iron line because he said 
it was two oblique? 

566
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,300
The thing. 
Exactly. 

567
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,800
Right. 
There you go. 

568
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,500
You've got all eyes or is. 
What does he know? 

569
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:30,500
Yeah. 
But hang on, but this is a man 

570
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:33,100
who was quite happy to retain 
the line. 

571
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:35,800
The movement you need is on your
shoulder at a year later. 

572
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,500
And that's that's the kind of a 
much more oblique than that, he 

573
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:41,900
actually. 
They helped with the recording 

574
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:45,600
arkad because we were recording.
Thank you very much in Abbey 

575
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Road and it was okay, but didn't
Sparkle and he was going through

576
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,200
to his Beetle to him. 
I don't know Pepper or something

577
00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:01,500
and dropped into the studio, I 
can't remove the producer was 

578
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:06,100
think it was a young lad and we 
played the track to him. 

579
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:12,600
And so our kid said okay I've 
Got a few ideas to the producer,

580
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:15,300
can I go in and have a chat to 
them? 

581
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:18,000
Use those and so the video 
producer. 

582
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,800
Yeah, you joking a beetle 
helping out on the record 

583
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,600
that'll do. 
And so the arcade pops it and 

584
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,600
you could see these are all 
session men, right? 

585
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:33,600
Because scaffold don't never 
have never will because you play

586
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,200
instruments. 
Is that right Lads? 

587
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,100
You still don't clap for 
practicing practicing, 

588
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,700
practicing the piano. 
No piano. 

589
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:44,400
Okay, John, I've got a ukulele. 
Okay. 

590
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,000
Well, you keep practicing both 
in the boys in those days we 

591
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,400
didn't. 
And so we had to have a session 

592
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,900
then when these the top London 
session then so suddenly there 

593
00:42:55,900 --> 00:43:01,800
is the liverpudlians cows get 
going into these top so you 

594
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:11,200
could see on the faces out And 
so they were very sort of 

595
00:43:11,207 --> 00:43:15,200
dismissive and I'll keep quietly
went over to each one and said, 

596
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,000
hey you know that drums if you 
did that that that that oh, 

597
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,100
that's a good idea before I 
actually go into all of them, 

598
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:28,800
little bit on the base of the 
did that than the to quietly and

599
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,100
they were all happy with less 
for me to do great. 

600
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:34,100
Yeah. 
And suddenly, when he came back 

601
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:38,400
and we all played but the, the 
track that is the track to. 

602
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:43,000
Thank you very much. 
Was the move for and the what's 

603
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,900
the name of the Queen Mother? 
And the prime minister's 

604
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:49,800
favorite it. 
And that's how he helped on 

605
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,400
them. 
Excellent. 

606
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,000
And then, and then you had its 
speed through every deadly, the 

607
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,800
paint, which was number one 
which around the world. 

608
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,500
Yeah. 
We certainly heard it in New 

609
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:03,100
Zealand. 
I grew up with it. 

610
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,300
Well, we weren't that loud, 
Jack. 

611
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,000
Great, Jack Bruce on base, I 
believe. 

612
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,800
Is that right? 
That was in, as I say, we've had

613
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,200
station, man. 
That was in the control room, 

614
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,100
nollie paramour. 
Also use it on Lily and we were 

615
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:23,300
in tell you, we were the big 
number three. 

616
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:27,500
The, All You Need Is Love Studio
because we couldn't get into to 

617
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:32,600
where we usually worked and no 
nose. 13 was Pink Floyd. 

618
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,900
They were in the all the time to
was the beetle, want handles. 

619
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,600
And so we had to go to number 
one, the only needed. 

620
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,800
Syria. 
And so I'm looking at the screen

621
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:48,300
at them users and I said, Mike 
Vickers from Manfred. 

622
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:52,800
Mann was a musical arranger and 
I said to Mike, what's he doing 

623
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,000
that? 
You know, it's just a job in 

624
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,600
needs the money. 
So went out and said to Jack 

625
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,500
Bruce of cream, anything you 
want to do quietly Jack, 

626
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:06,700
anything you want to do this 
song, you know, you do it. 

627
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,300
So he should have to tell you 
the truth. 

628
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,700
My I've been looking at that and
I think the best thing for Lily.

629
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:16,700
The pink is boom. 
Boom, boom, boom, boom. 

630
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:22,400
Wasn't that a right? 
Dwight playing the piano. 

631
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:25,500
No. 
And you know why? 

632
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:29,200
I know that John because of 
Justin a film about Nicky 

633
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,100
Hopkins called the session map, 
right? 

634
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:37,200
He was the Nicky Hopkins, I just
thought he would Rolling Stones,

635
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:41,400
I found out from this phone. 
But he was beaten, the big 

636
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,100
beagle stuff. 
He did when our kid wasn't on 

637
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:49,800
the piano as Stones Etc. 
Hose as you know when we did, 

638
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:52,700
what was it called Goose wasn't 
it Etc. 

639
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,500
And I hadn't realized that it's 
totally forgotten. 

640
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,600
So it was a Nicky Hopkins, not 
L, Elton was our backing singer,

641
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,300
all right? 
Really, I'm one of them. 

642
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:41,300
Listen to that. 
It's almost a surreal so it's 

643
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:44,600
like was a goon like and it's 
yeah, the realism guys get going

644
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:45,600
up. 
No, no, it's not me. 

645
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,800
But it's a natural thing about 
Jennifer Nettles. 

646
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,700
I wanted to talk about about 
your experiences of growing up 

647
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:35,600
listening to do Chillin and 
whatnot and meets Michael or 

648
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,600
whatever I guess. 
I know that. 

649
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,100
Roger you and Jonna Slightly 
older than Mike. 

650
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,400
Did you Did you sort of listen 
religiously to the Goon show at 

651
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,600
the time? 
It was an absolute must. 

652
00:47:51,800 --> 00:48:08,400
Yeah yeah I remember 
you include to the radio and 

653
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,900
just listening to it. 
I was like, yeah to do it 

654
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:14,800
listening to your goons and you 
know, the sort of mean for I'd 

655
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,800
like to we're brought them 
expose on radio comedy but you 

656
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,600
know, admire and hmm. 
Well, this is our program says 

657
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,500
Ted, Ted Ted rain stuff but 
suddenly getting the Goon sounds

658
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,100
like wild fits. 
Was there the play on words, 

659
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:34,000
Madness, the voices, Peter 
cells, one of my voice singing. 

660
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:37,800
He's had so much going for it, 
you know, just surreal and just 

661
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,100
appealing Suppose it is a bit 
like wait wait yeah look at it 

662
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:47,000
and and you were at how 
University you weren't there at 

663
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,000
the same time as Larkin. 
William I was that were locking.

664
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,400
Yeah he was just I was he was so
bored in this hole has a small 

665
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,500
about 70 students and even 
sleep. 

666
00:48:55,900 --> 00:49:00,000
So wouldn't but I was just, 
yeah, I just writing then young,

667
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,700
you know, and I wouldn't have 
known what to Center, but he was

668
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,700
is implants mean. 
He was quite kind to me, let's 

669
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:09,300
rock. 
All right, yeah, what I can. 

670
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,000
Tell you is in our house in 
fourth in Road. 

671
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,300
We used to have an album called 
songs for Swingin. 

672
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:23,600
Sellers. 
We have sure was Peter Sellers 

673
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,700
with haughty Jake's, and people 
like that. 

674
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,200
And it would my brother. 
And I used to listen to this 

675
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:36,000
religiously one of our favorite 
albums were very silly, but hey,

676
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:44,200
George Burns. 
Only year later, there is our 

677
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,800
favorite album with the cover. 
Songs is going sellers on the 

678
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,800
cover. 
You'd never be allowed to do it 

679
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,900
now. 
Guy swinging from a tree is, 

680
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:59,100
yeah, that's about the cover of 
the album but that thing our 

681
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:02,500
favor then I hadn't reached, of 
course, I wouldn't realize 

682
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:06,300
because the producer of the 
album it meant absolutely 

683
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:08,900
nothing. 
Tony years later in retrospect 

684
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,800
that you look at the army of the
old on this is quite 

685
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,000
extraordinary because they're 
from forth in Road. 

686
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,200
And our kid does his group, very
successful group, they go down 

687
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,600
to London before they great 
success. 

688
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:28,100
They just and their producer 
nem. 

689
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:32,000
I was a bloke called George 
Martin, and then you suddenly 

690
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,000
realize, they're on the back of 
songs of swinging. 

691
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,100
Sellers the producer of that is 
George Martin's, are there. 

692
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:42,700
There's a bit of a, you know, a 
coincidence. 

693
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,700
It's almost like it was meant to
be. 

694
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,200
Exactly. 
There's another story we got 

695
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:53,500
time to think about Spike. 
So in Ronnie's got, it's a 

696
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:58,900
croissant Scott, had a rule that
any drunks in the were 

697
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:04,200
immediately thrown out that this
it was part of jazz your list 

698
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:08,100
here to listen. 
And so this was Jazz, long story

699
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:09,900
short. 
We are on this thing. 

700
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,000
It was going to be, whoo! 
Whoo! 

701
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,300
Whoo! 
We're going to be with Lads that

702
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,000
flu. 
Play with stuck flutes of his 

703
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,200
nose. 
Great so great. 

704
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,200
So just looking just guy was me,
who that was Ruby? 

705
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,000
No, it wasn't even true Bank, he
went to see him in the old 

706
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,600
Scott's and he handed out all 
these Penny, whistles, and the 

707
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,500
audience joined in. 
And as soon as right he's got 

708
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:38,100
said he was playing. 
I can't think of his bloody 

709
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,400
name. 
Anyway, we ended up with, Girl, 

710
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,200
from Ipanema. 
What's his name? 

711
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:46,000
Boys? 
Whose I'm just trying to think 

712
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:57,000
of the American blood. 
Yeah, we're all not Jose. 

713
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:24,800
What's his name? 
And so anyway, it doesn't 

714
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,800
matter. 
Stan Getz went on, its cover 

715
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,200
went on Stan, gets burned, on 
scaffold, went on Stan Getz. 

716
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,100
Finished it. 
That was the evening of all he's

717
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:35,900
got and the big thing is no 
drunks. 

718
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,000
And so I'm watching throughout 
the performance has been well, 

719
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,700
and I thought I'd guys are bit 
sort of getting away with it and

720
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:49,900
it suddenly came to chocolate 
eclair and this drunk was wrong.

721
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:52,400
Yeah. 
So I'm are clapping and well, 

722
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,400
Wow. 
And I thought bloody hell. 

723
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,000
He's ruining his kids because 
it's a great. 

724
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,100
Chocolate eclairs is 
extraordinary bit of theater and

725
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:05,600
so scaffold, the John and 
vultures finished came off. 

726
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,600
And all of us a new that drunk 
in there. 

727
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,900
What the hell's going on? 
Ronnie's got games through, we 

728
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:14,900
said, hey Ronnie. 
The ruling Ronnie Scott is 

729
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:18,400
drunks, are thrown out. 
How was all about that word guy 

730
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,300
was really drunk, he said, that 
trunk was Spike. 

731
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:30,300
Milligan clean, Zia. 
So demonstrative, did you meet 

732
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:34,000
him? 
Yeah, 07 not so tough to 

733
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,500
remember that time, but maybe 
this is on my own, I think it 

734
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:39,200
was. 
One of us. 

735
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,400
Can think we were walking along,
something like Berkeley. 

736
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:48,000
And this old battered mini draw?
Any of you with me? 

737
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:50,700
Yeah. 
Oh we do you John. 

738
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:52,900
I'm just listening. 
Go on. 

739
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:55,400
So remember this Worm baby on 
me. 

740
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,400
And we thought this old battered
mini, bulldozer Goes 

741
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,700
beep-beep-beep To Nature and 
their Spike Milligan, say, do 

742
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:08,100
you want to lift mine and I 
thought he is a guy that's one 

743
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:11,700
of the leading stars of this 
country. 

744
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:14,400
Could have a Rolls-Royce could 
do anything. 

745
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:20,500
And vitamin very Spike chose to 
have this old dilapidated 

746
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:23,100
rundown. 
Many He dead. 

747
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:26,800
He was dirty only be washed. 
Yeah, that wasn't answered. 

748
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,400
That wasn't down to because he 
was tight. 

749
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:33,000
It was more good environmental 
concerns really way ahead. 

750
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:38,000
Hmm. 
And John you you played mate in 

751
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,800
the in a special room bed 
sitting room is that was at the 

752
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,400
Sheffield play house with Karis 
Australian was the director. 

753
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:53,300
When was that exactly That was 
in the 70s. 

754
00:54:53,800 --> 00:55:00,200
Okay, yeah, that is 70s. 
And I, when I got that off of 

755
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,400
the path by Frank Harris, I 
thought I'd be good to speak to 

756
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,500
spike about it, so I rang up 
normal bonds. 

757
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:14,200
It was the, his agent home court
in London, so, do you? 

758
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:18,100
Yes, I'll mention to spike. 
She rang me back and said he'd 

759
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:20,800
like to meet you. 
I said, yeah, that'd be 

760
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,400
brilliant. 
So go down to London, go to home

761
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,300
court and go into the office to 
see Norma. 

762
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,800
And I'm sitting there and she 
said, it shouldn't be too long. 

763
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:35,100
He's on his way and the phone 
rings. 

764
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,400
And she answers the phone and 
she's must have said, yes, he's 

765
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,600
here and then put the phone down
and send you said, he's 

766
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,300
definitely coming. 
And I waited and it went past 

767
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:50,700
the time that we were supposed 
to meet. 20 minutes, half an 

768
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:53,400
hour, an hour and he never 
turned up. 

769
00:55:53,400 --> 00:56:00,000
I had to go, huh? 
So I left and she rang me a week

770
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:06,000
later the so apologize, but he 
got caught up in something, but 

771
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,700
he'd still like to meet you. 
So, I went back down to London 

772
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:14,000
back to back into Norma's office
and waited. 

773
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:17,400
And she said, you know, he's 
still definitely be here. 

774
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,300
The door opened, And B, but as I
drowned, and you said, nice, 

775
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:24,200
one, close the door and 
disappeared. 

776
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:32,700
She's, and I thought he's just 
said, can I can I, can I tell 

777
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:35,400
you student? 
And Mike, I wasn't deliberately 

778
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,500
didn't want to talk about Paul 
McCartney, okay? 

779
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:40,800
But I just really formal, can't 
me. 

780
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,200
Well, I just fight brother based
on what John's just said. 

781
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,500
I want to quickly share with you
a story which I'd like to think 

782
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:51,900
is true. 
Apparently is true when the 

783
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,300
Beatles Anthology they were they
were recording or they were, 

784
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:57,500
they were planning the Beatles, 
Anthology and George. 

785
00:56:57,500 --> 00:57:01,200
And Ringo went to Paul's house 
in Surrey. 

786
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,400
In would have been 94, I guess, 
and they would just sort of 

787
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,600
thrashing things out and they 
got that they reached us of a 

788
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,000
point in the day where Paul 
suggested that they jump in the 

789
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,600
car, jump in the land driving 
and popped out the spikes house,

790
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,800
because Spike was a neighbor 
just live down the road, okay? 

791
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,200
And the three of them thought, 
it would be just your nice go 

792
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,100
and see Spike who they had been 
friends with were friends with 

793
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:28,800
in the past. 
You know, and arrived at spikes 

794
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,500
house, three, three remaining 
Beatles, knocked on the door. 

795
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:36,600
Spike eventually answers and 
says, it's not convenient slams.

796
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,600
The door. 
Great. 

797
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:46,200
I like the story of Spike would 
be upstairs in his study 

798
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:48,600
writing. 
Oh yeah, I need it. 

799
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:51,800
Pick the phone up and bring it 
to the post office to send a 

800
00:57:51,808 --> 00:57:56,300
telegram which was then be 
delivered to the house. 

801
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,600
Dancers is why they get the 
telegram and it would say, can 

802
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:43,500
you bring me up a cup of tea? 
I would like to be no immediate 

803
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:47,800
wants to be spikes and all these
wonderful correspondence between

804
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,600
the two of them. 
And it's all about that's about 

805
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,600
the best tasting room is, John 
referred to, you know, talk 

806
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,300
about what he's doing in that 
and you know, it's just very, 

807
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:57,900
it's wonderful work, a 
sensitive, you know things and 

808
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:01,200
it's very serious in a way. 
Like Robert tells me funny. 

809
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:06,600
Anyway and yeah, and Spike is 
all serious and giving his 

810
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,100
concerns and so with teachers on
the edge of a breakdown, but a 

811
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:15,300
So wonderful wonderful book and 
because he, you know, he was 

812
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:17,900
very serious about his poetry 
all his life. 

813
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:21,300
He wrote poems. 
That's how I met him through 

814
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:23,100
polish government through his 
poetry. 

815
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:27,300
Yeah and toward the end of his 
life he was on with, this is 

816
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:31,100
your life for me that's that 
program even Angie's to do. 

817
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:35,100
Well, what I was about to go on,
it was Michael aspel and then we

818
00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:38,900
going on to this your life and I
was asked to go on to drop by 

819
00:59:38,908 --> 00:59:40,800
the project just a minute of 
time by the protein and we 

820
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,800
depart so on what is books Spike
Milligan all the mirror running 

821
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:47,800
because you know, we're loads of
books do go with over thirty. 

822
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,600
Four books besides is 
Wahlburgers these poor kids 

823
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,100
books, kids. 
Yeah bro, poetry in this year's 

824
00:59:54,100 --> 01:00:00,100
budget and remember the program 
assists, wait to go on, despite 

825
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:03,000
was great when one of his old 
friends, come on quickly, any 

826
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,800
army friends came on, you really
made firstly guy and he's with 

827
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,400
his wife. 
Sheila sit down the corner, 

828
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:10,200
quite old. 
Then when like Barry Humphries 

829
01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:13,000
has shown up on the screen from 
Australia. 

830
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,600
So consent in space with you or 
all these different American 

831
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,100
Comics Spike go, they don't know
me. 

832
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:31,400
They don't 
usually read once I said okay. 

833
01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:36,400
So I just opened up the page and
here we are there's one poem 

834
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,800
called my soldering daughter. 
Er no, my darling jangling child

835
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,800
where they was. 
You, please give me your pants 

836
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,600
Spike with me. 
I didn't know that. 

837
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:50,200
I didn't know anything. 
Let me defend it to the death. 

838
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,100
I will not fail. 
You. 

839
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,100
I spent a shining like that. 
I do and all the way throughout.

840
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:56,900
Yes. 
Spike actually, this is like 

841
01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:59,900
them and show them, you know? 
Oh yeah. 

842
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:14,700
Yeah. 
I want to just talk quickly 

843
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:18,400
about emerged, if that's the 
word, you merge with the 

844
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,800
bonzo's, then you to form the 
Grimm's or Grimm's? 

845
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:23,300
Tell me about that. 
What how did that come about? 

846
01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:25,000
Well it we've been booked a 
Jewish. 

847
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,500
Oh, we'd never played south of 
Birmingham because we'd only 

848
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:29,900
been in the north until we got 
the record for. 

849
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:32,500
Thank you very much record. 
So we're book to do show at the 

850
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:37,800
Brighton in the Pavilion with a 
group called The Bonzo dog 

851
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,800
doo-dah. 
Bank which we had never heard 

852
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,700
of, and they'd ever heard of us 
until the records. 

853
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:45,500
They had a record out goal Urban
Spaceman. 

854
01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:51,100
We went down and on, hold on, 
hold on, John Jonica to rectify 

855
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:57,300
that it's, they did that after I
suggested them for, they were to

856
01:01:57,300 --> 01:02:01,400
go Magical Mystery Tour because 
that introduce them to our kid 

857
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:05,600
and then our kid wrote and 
produced that record. 

858
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,700
Sorry. 
Crying So we add in the 

859
01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:13,100
contractor, said who's ever 
record was highest in the chart 

860
01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:15,300
of the night of the gig would 
top the bill. 

861
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:19,300
But we, we were number four and 
they were number five when we 

862
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:21,000
got to brighten. 
So we top the bill. 

863
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,900
So they went and did the first 
half. 

864
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:26,900
And if you ever saw the show, 
it's everything happens. 

865
01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:31,400
I'm gonna musically and comedy 
and everything is just so alive.

866
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,700
And we sat on the front row, 
really Mi our gate because we 

867
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:40,400
were very tight in without The 
so we did the second half and it

868
01:02:40,408 --> 01:02:45,900
was on the train going back to 
London later, we sat in the same

869
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,600
compartment and I said to them 
was a Pity. 

870
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,300
We didn't know what you looked 
like before because we could 

871
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:55,000
have joined together and mix it 
up and they said, yeah I then 

872
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,700
got in touch David Wilkinson. 
Who was the agent with no gay 

873
01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:06,100
and said would it be possible to
book a gig with the bonzo's like

874
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:08,900
Liverpool for instance and We 
can play together. 

875
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,000
Well, they book the Philharmonic
Hall in Liverpool, Manchester 

876
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:19,500
free, trade Hall, and we did the
show together, and it was really

877
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:23,700
couldn't fault in that respect 
because we were able to fill in 

878
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:27,900
what we did. 
And we'd also we sang together 

879
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:33,700
things together, and then, but 
just during the show, one of the

880
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:40,000
sketches or routines that they 
had, was that Kabam to play and 

881
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:44,400
there was an explosion look like
the amps and fail and They 

882
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,200
carried on playing silent. 
But in the Liverpool filled when

883
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,500
the show was over later on, I 
got contacted by the manager 

884
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:57,200
saying that a lot of people who 
because of the explosion, all 

885
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,000
the dust which was in the 
ceiling of the Philharmonic had 

886
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:06,400
come down and they were claiming
for the dry cleaning, hang on a 

887
01:04:06,408 --> 01:04:09,800
minute, The last time you 
cleaned the ceiling of the 

888
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,600
filaments about never cleaned. 
It says that I could that be our

889
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:13,900
fault. 
Hmm. 

890
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:16,800
Keep it clean. 
So we wouldn't play we wouldn't 

891
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,800
pay when we got to Manchester. 
Do the free trade Hall. 

892
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,800
They put a clause in the 
contract, saying, no 

893
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:28,800
pyrotechnics. 
I said to fixed anshel by the 

894
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,700
way. 
Klaus no power Texas and he said

895
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,100
that's no problem. 
That we would be a father, get 

896
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:40,700
on stage. 
The first thing they do, We've 

897
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:44,100
been standing at the back of the
hole, ran down the center, 

898
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:49,900
aisle, a bunch of the state ran 
to the light box and pull the 

899
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:52,600
switch. 
So the whole of the thing went 

900
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,700
blank at least at the side of 
the stage with his arms folded. 

901
01:04:56,700 --> 01:05:00,600
Like, this is that will show you
what the audience went wild 

902
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,200
because they pay to see this 
show and it was almost like 

903
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,000
nearer, right? 
So I begged, my back in my 

904
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,200
finger at them. 
Manager and he popped his head 

905
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,000
out and I just pointed the 
audience and see that they were 

906
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,800
ready to tear the place apart. 
So you have to run back in and 

907
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:20,600
switch the lights back on again.
But that we did at all but with 

908
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:25,800
the Grimm's and Grimm's is gone 
Roberts in his mcdeere Magog 

909
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:31,500
stench and we played 
universities all over the 

910
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:34,600
country. 
Absolutely right. 

911
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:40,700
Could I just say Are you from 
New Zealand? 

912
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:45,300
Because it just a Gentiles were 
to come out that sounds like you

913
01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:46,900
could be from New Zealand. 
My right? 

914
01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:49,100
Oh yeah. 
Yeah. 

915
01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:55,100
Is there a prize? 
Yes. 

916
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:58,300
Wouldn't know him but he was he 
was like, what is on TV when I 

917
01:05:58,300 --> 01:06:14,400
was a kid. 
Yes, he was Yeah absolutely. 

918
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,500
One last thing I'd like to ask 
or just just one last thing I 

919
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:20,900
want to talk about, if that's 
okay. 

920
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:24,100
And John unfortunately I'm sorry
this I guess this kind of 

921
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:26,600
precludes you but I want to talk
about it and the mcgough the 

922
01:06:26,607 --> 01:06:33,700
gear album because because I 
want to I want to talk about one

923
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:36,300
of the session musicians that 
worked on that with you and how 

924
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:42,900
that came about. 
Oh Jimmy, what's owed? 

925
01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:45,900
You want to know about him? 
Well yes, I mean, just in case 

926
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:47,100
people, listen to this moment 
aware. 

927
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:50,300
But Jimi Jimi, Hendrix was one 
of your music. 

928
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:53,200
When you're backing musicians. 
I was a very quick one. 

929
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,200
It's called right now. 
There's no government. 

930
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,400
Here are more kid was burning, 
produced it in the garage. 

931
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:04,400
Yeah, yeah. 
And so we get our and so our 

932
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,700
kids that sorry for all those 
listening Hang on the podcast 

933
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,200
and saying our kid is not my 
little baby orca deliverable 

934
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:18,100
vernacular for my brother. 
So our kid said, so we need a 

935
01:07:18,107 --> 01:07:21,500
guitar and he said, sure. 
I asked, Jimmy, I said to me, 

936
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:26,200
you, he said, Jimi, Hendrix. 
And I said, I was, oh, yeah. 

937
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:30,100
You asked Jimi Hendrix, because 
he was pretty big at that time. 

938
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:33,600
So, yeah, he's in town. 
I know he is. 

939
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,200
So he did. 
He asked him and he said to me, 

940
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,400
Scott. 
Into the lane late tomorrow to 

941
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:44,900
do this track called. 
So would you look so I said, 

942
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:48,000
yeah, okay, believe it. 
When I see it, the next day, 

943
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:53,800
we've got the door goes and I'll
kids working on another track. 

944
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:57,600
He says, you get that might go 
to the door and Jimi. 

945
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:02,200
Hendrix, I'm expecting him with 
his Entourage. 

946
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:08,400
With his own crew is good, 
groupies is drug L whether 

947
01:08:09,100 --> 01:08:11,200
there's a little lad with a 
guitar. 

948
01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:13,800
Lovely. 
Yeah, 

949
01:08:26,899 --> 01:08:31,800
I said, would you like we had? 
Because Roger and I couldn't pay

950
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:36,200
these people with it was 
Superstars Graham, Nash, John 

951
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:41,300
Mayall Etc. 
He's our kid always people and 

952
01:08:41,300 --> 01:08:45,100
we couldn't pay him money and 
contractually was all difficult 

953
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:47,600
anyway. 
So at least Roger, I could 

954
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:53,000
provide drinks. 
They are beer, wine, and 

955
01:08:53,000 --> 01:09:01,700
Brilliant conversations Lively 
wacko with said to Jimmy, would 

956
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:05,300
you like anything? 
There is no, no, I'm cool. 

957
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:08,800
So I'll just go and read. 
Yes, so it took me to the 

958
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:15,399
studio, we're sitting on 
delaying only copies and so it's

959
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:21,100
time for Jimmy to do is is 
overdub his guitar solo. 

960
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:28,000
And so he's Jimmy said look, 
Mike, I don't know this song. 

961
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:30,899
Can you tell me when to come in 
for the solo? 

962
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:34,200
So I said, owner, you'll hear 
it. 

963
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,200
Don't worry about you. 
You'll hear it. 

964
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,800
It's all. 
It's just in the middle bit 

965
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,100
where I stopped singing, you 
play the guitar and he said, 

966
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,100
sure. 
Okay, no problem. 

967
01:09:44,300 --> 01:09:49,600
So I went into the studio a 
Target so where the song comes 

968
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,700
over to num diddly doo, dee doo 
doo. 

969
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,900
I stopped singing and suddenly, 
why won't I want? 

970
01:09:54,900 --> 01:10:03,700
And I don't want solutely Jimi, 
Hendrix is very best. 

971
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,900
And so our kid have been working
on pepper. 

972
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:12,200
For months and years and 
suddenly this Wild, Man of 

973
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:15,600
Borneo is guitar into the 
infinite. 

974
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,400
He said, what do you think? 
I said yeah yeah he said. 

975
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:21,600
What do you mean? 
Yeah yeah. 

976
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,600
Yo that's to me and is Fanta. 
Yeah. 

977
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,300
Okay great. 
What do you mean? 

978
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:30,500
Okay, what's your problem? 
He didn't come in right bit. 

979
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:36,600
So he said so do you want to 
tell us Jimmy any woman for the 

980
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,900
right thing? 
So I said certainly will so went

981
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:45,100
out into the studio, sat on the 
carpet, he played the in sitting

982
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:48,800
down on the carpet and I said 
look Jim. 

983
01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:54,100
I will tell you I will tell you 
I will indicate when to come in 

984
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:57,800
for the solo. 
I'll by tapping your knee and 

985
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:02,200
that's exactly what I did for 
the solo on so much in love. 

986
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,200
So tapped his knee, he did the 
solo Etc. 

987
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,400
I went back into Into the thing 
and they played it back to me 

988
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:11,800
and so our kids hope. 
So what do you think? 

989
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,900
I said perfect. 
You came in the right time? 

990
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,400
He said no, no compared to the 
other one when it was the Wild 

991
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:19,300
One. 
Let's enter. 

992
01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:23,000
That's all control etcetera. 
Which one do you want? 

993
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:24,900
I see. 
Oh I see. 

994
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,600
Oh I see sorry. 
I don't know that much about 

995
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,100
music. 
Sorry that you're right. 

996
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:36,000
The first one so our kids that 
oh good the engineer. 

997
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,400
Can you put me under the bus? 
On the engine. 

998
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,200
It's a what do you mean? 
The first one we've been wiping 

999
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,800
everyone. 
That's why I can listen 

1000
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,800
carefully to that track in here.
They'll tap before, Jimmy comes 

1001
01:11:48,800 --> 01:12:41,100
in that you gave to his death 
I believe. 

1002
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:45,100
Mint leaf is something signed 
out a of them that our Peter and

1003
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:49,500
have been an Oxfam shop years 
ago, and it is. 

1004
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,000
And it was Jimmy's copy that. 
You two had signed for him and 

1005
01:12:52,000 --> 01:13:00,400
someone to take it at Deluxe 
about shop, gentlemen. 

1006
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,100
Listen, it has been an absolute 
pleasure and thank you so much 

1007
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:05,800
for speaking with me today. 
Now, we're Roger. 

1008
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,900
You've got, you've got a couple 
of books out at the moment. 

1009
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:10,900
Tell me about those safety, in 
numbers. 

1010
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:11,800
Is that right? 
Oh do I? 

1011
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:17,000
So right now it's going well go 
on 

1012
01:13:32,900 --> 01:13:40,400
and money go round which is a 
kids book about money going 

1013
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,900
around. 
Which I've just been made into a

1014
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,700
family of musical which which 
has been performed down here and

1015
01:13:47,700 --> 01:13:50,500
we're going on tour team to 
help. 

1016
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:53,000
Do you ever have any time off 
for you always working? 

1017
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:58,100
I'd like to, but yeah, but yeah 
well, it's what you do, isn't it

1018
01:13:58,400 --> 01:13:59,600
doing things? 
Keep doing things. 

1019
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,200
Yeah, and before I get to my 
plug, John if you got anything 

1020
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:09,800
to plug before I get to my 
loads, So you got nothing to 

1021
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:15,300
sell. 
Well, in terms of writing + 3 

1022
01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:19,700
equals the way through Rising, 
climbing Mount Everest by public

1023
01:14:19,700 --> 01:14:22,600
transport, which I'm hoping will
be out by the end of the year 

1024
01:14:23,500 --> 01:14:29,000
and the follow-on book will be 
called the SCS, which you have 

1025
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,400
got the SAS the SBS, which is 
special Squad. 

1026
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,800
And the special boat Squad. 
This is the special car Squad 

1027
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:41,400
and that's us. 
A spoof on Special Forces and 

1028
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,300
that would be written for next 
year and following that will be 

1029
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:48,100
st. 
Enochs in the fold, which is a 

1030
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:54,500
village in rural England where 
there's murder, excessive sex 

1031
01:14:54,900 --> 01:14:57,600
and anything that can go wrong 
in society. 

1032
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,500
That will be in that Village. 
Good morning and it's time for 

1033
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:04,200
my blog. 
Yes, I haven't been this plugin.

1034
01:15:04,900 --> 01:15:10,200
Go on. 
That they post for peace on the 

1035
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,700
will, and that spread around the
doing the Palm House in 

1036
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:17,300
Liverpool. 
But doing the Crawford house in 

1037
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:22,300
Liverpool and but doing one in 
Smithtown, Road, the post-war 

1038
01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:26,100
peace. 
I'm booked into the Liverpool 

1039
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:48,100
Fringe Festival in October. 
I've been asked to help to start

1040
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:53,300
a storytelling Club, sorry, 
selling shows called the world 

1041
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:58,000
Wanderers, and I'm going to the 
for post-rock tomorrow. 

1042
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:02,200
The save got a new setup for 
gigs. 

1043
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,300
I'm going to look at the place 
tomorrow to see if we can book 

1044
01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:10,400
into there's my plug over. 
See you, Mike. 

1045
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,600
We're back. 
All right, all right. 

1046
01:16:20,300 --> 01:16:25,300
It was something else that I've 
been asked to do but just it 

1047
01:16:25,300 --> 01:16:29,000
never stops as Roger. 
Probably say and I booked been 

1048
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:35,400
booked to play and give posted 
chance in September, and we're 

1049
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,300
dedicating. 
A poet wrote a piece Tree on 

1050
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:42,700
September the 21st which is 
international poetry day and 

1051
01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:46,900
that's in the Quakers. 
Peace Garden. 

1052
01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:53,200
That's going ahead. 
Luckily John, I'm just back from

1053
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,500
the front door that he my wife 
in. 

1054
01:16:55,900 --> 01:17:00,000
And is it time for my plug-in? 
Do you plug the God's sake? 

1055
01:17:00,500 --> 01:17:04,300
I thought you'd never bloody ask
you should say that. 

1056
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:09,500
But what I have now I've got a 
wonderful book. 

1057
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:16,100
In fact, they brilliant book 
accumulation of Historical. 

1058
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:21,300
Photographs, and drawings by 
First drawings on a wonderful 

1059
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,900
firm called Genesis publishing, 
its cost a fortune, but it's 

1060
01:17:25,900 --> 01:17:31,200
worth it, boys. 
I think you might have a copy of

1061
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:48,600
what you think of it. 
Thank you Raj, my rest cases. 

1062
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,300
Listen thank you. 
Listen, we didn't even get to 

1063
01:17:52,308 --> 01:17:56,500
talk about Rogers. 56, second 
version of Longfellows the wreck

1064
01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:58,100
of the Hesperus. 
We'll talk about that. 

1065
01:17:58,100 --> 01:18:07,000
Roger oh no, we did we never 
talk about you, you appearing 

1066
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,500
with Zager and Evans on a 
television program because I'm 

1067
01:18:09,500 --> 01:18:12,400
fascinated by Zager in Evans. 
But listen, I'd like to talk 

1068
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,600
about my days with the scaffold 
of our way. 

1069
01:18:21,700 --> 01:18:44,000
Thank you guys so much. 
The hasn't saying the scaffold 

1070
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:57,100
started 1960s, listen, who's 
still here, those are the still 

1071
01:18:57,100 --> 01:19:00,100
here. 
I'm not, I left 20 minutes ago, 

1072
01:19:01,900 --> 01:19:07,500
I'm still coming. 
Alright, thank you so much, you 

1073
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:12,600
too and and Roger, he's just 
left and I really appreciate 

1074
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,000
your time and all the best with 
the show on the 29th which I'm 

1075
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:22,800
sure will be a strength. 
Yeah, if it's anything like this

1076
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:28,900
is going to be unbelievable. 
It will be make the papers I 

1077
01:19:28,900 --> 01:19:32,400
couldn't. 
If I were you tired, I couldn't 

1078
01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:34,600
edit out. 
Cut out. 

1079
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:38,200
One second of that. 
I've got to tell you the truth. 

1080
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:40,800
Okay? 
Thanks tile. 

1081
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,400
Thank you listen. 
It's been fantastic. 

1082
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:53,800
Really appreciate it. 
And so he say in 1962 as a 

1083
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,400
Liverpool, want that Leg Show.