1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,880 You. Have deceived me. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,840 Deceived me, thinking that you were a traitor. 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,360 Rise, my friend. Mr. Bonacieu. 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,280 What am I to say? I find that our suspicions about 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,960 you were entirely unjust. Cardinalist. 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,960 Taken my hand and call me friend. 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,320 Oh, we must make you better amends than that. 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,800 Take these hundreds, pistolis, and forgive me. 9 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:38,600 I forgive your Eminence. You cannot mean that. 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,920 I mean, what am I? I am nothing. 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,680 A better I'm. I'm. 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:48,240 I'm less than nothing. Friend, you are generous. 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,720 Well then, you. Oh, that is still. 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,920 Our. Wife, I hope that you will come 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,240 to visit me again so that we can talk together and tell our next 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,160 meeting. Did you hear that? 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,400 We're going to talk together? Isn't that lovely? 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,600 How did you hear? That I think I have done all 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:07,960 that can be done with him. I've. 20 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:11,080 Set him to spy upon his wife. He didn't think I was fighting 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:47,600 with him, buddy. The all for one and one for all. 22 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,960 Absolutely. I'll see what you did there. 23 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,360 Very good. Thank you. 24 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,360 So listen, you're listening to to Goonpod and last time my 25 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:05,360 guests were on we were talking about a film which included a 26 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,479 bit with Spike Milligan with a with a big long white beard. 27 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,800 In the Bastille in 17th century France. 28 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,640 And we figured, why not continue that theme. 29 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,440 So my guests have come back to talk about another film with 30 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,240 Spike Mulligan in 17th century France. 31 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,840 I'd like to introduce Christopher Webb and Robert 32 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,560 Johnson. Hello, chaps. 33 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,880 Hello. What Hope? 34 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,680 Hello. Hey. 35 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,440 Thank you for having us back. Not a little bit. 36 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,400 My pleasure. You are the the the gentleman 37 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,240 behind the ever popular, still Winning Good podcast. 38 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,240 Well, you're half right. Silent. 39 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:52,520 And at the beginning of that, Hey Tyler, it's always lovely to 40 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,400 hear your sweetly mirthless voice again. 41 00:02:54,760 --> 00:03:00,640 Oh, you bastard. You went there, God almighty. 42 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:01,560 Yeah, I've got to. I've got to. 43 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,880 People don't understand. People won't understand that 44 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,800 reference, but. I got a very nice the show. 45 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,960 The podcast got a very nice review on Apple Podcasts. 46 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,840 It's not iTunes anymore, is it? And and I was. 47 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,400 I was referred to as sweetly Mirthless or something like 48 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,920 that, and I just thought, damning with faint praise, that 49 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:21,880 isn't it. Emphasis on sweet, I think. 50 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,320 Yeah. But they also said that you 51 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,080 clearly have contacts, which if if they knew the contacts that 52 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,160 you're speaking to tonight. 2 middle-aged men sitting in a 53 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,440 garage in the middle of the night. 54 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,320 In. They'd probably take. 55 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,480 That back in New Zealand, In New Zealand, I do have contacts. 56 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,440 I'm wearing them now. Hey, but you know what? 57 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,800 I I just listened to your Ladykillers episode a few days 58 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,200 ago, and you had quite a few chortles on that. 59 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:51,760 Oh, yeah. There's quite a bit of mirth in 60 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,240 that. Yeah, there. 61 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:53,280 You go. It's not. 62 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,160 It's not completely humorless this podcast, you know. 63 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:03,480 There's one for the poster. It's not completely human. 64 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,480 OK, so yeah, so last time you were on, we were talking about 65 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,200 Mel Brooks, History of the World, Part one, which which 66 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,920 went down a storm, very enjoyable. 67 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,959 And during the course of that conversation, I don't know how 68 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,120 it came out, but we, we, The Three Musketeers came up in 69 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,080 conversation. The 1973 film. 70 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,960 And we we said, hey, you know, that's something to squirrel 71 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,400 away for the future. I think we may even even have 72 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,120 said that we'd do both the Three and the four Musketeers. 73 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,400 But God, I don't think either of us. 74 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,120 I think we agreed to do a crossover. 75 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,680 You were going to do The Four Musketeers for our podcast? 76 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,560 OK, cool. OK. 77 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,440 Well that's something for maybe next year or something we we 78 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:51,160 need to as well because I'm really keen to Kings has watched 79 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,280 the follow up I'll watch all this about. 80 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:53,800 It. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 81 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,400 Well, this is only half a film, of course, famously. 82 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,000 Well that's the thing because I haven't, I I've seen both. 83 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,680 I mean obviously I've seen, I've watched rewatched The Three 84 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,920 Musketeers for this, but I haven't seen the Four Musketeers 85 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,840 since I was a kid. So I'm, I'm intrigued just 86 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:11,640 because obviously as as we'll go into the the The Three 87 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,000 Musketeers and the Four Musketeers, well, it was, it was 88 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,080 all filmed together wasn't it? And then split into two. 89 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,760 Yeah, essentially. It was supposed to be 1/3 hour 90 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,480 epic. Yeah, with an intermission. 91 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,800 Yeah. But look, today we're focusing 92 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,640 on The Three Musketeers by virtue of the fact, as I alluded 93 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:34,000 to before, that it does feature Spike Milligan in a role, in a 94 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,200 bigger role than I actually thought in the sense that he's 95 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,280 in the film quite a bit. Really. 96 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:41,240 Isn't he? Actually, yeah. 97 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,560 And he actually does have some agency in it as well. 98 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,920 He he does something rather than turn off and be Spike Milligan, 99 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,440 he he does play a sort of vital role in it. 100 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,000 He's actually a character. Yeah, yeah. 101 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,200 That's what I was surprised to see. 102 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,920 He he they brought him in clearly to be himself. 103 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,800 He's he's not sort of acting as a character. 104 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,520 He's coming to be Spike, yeah, But it does actually have some 105 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,240 sort of significance on the rest. 106 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,400 Had to learn lines and everything. 107 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:03,600 Absolutely, yeah. Had to act. 108 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,520 Yeah, absolutely. We'll come to him in a bit. 109 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,800 So yes, we're talking about the the 1973 Three Musketeers 110 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:17,200 directed by Richard Lester and chaps, I want to kick off by 111 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,800 asking you a little bit of a a poser here. 112 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,520 OK, what do these, what do these have in common? 113 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,120 All right, Lord of the Rings, the yellow. 114 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,720 Do you know the answer to this? Oh, do you? 115 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:35,640 Well, pretend you don't. I'd have a guess as well, yeah. 116 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,640 OK, The Lord of the Rings, The yellow teddy bears up against 117 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,040 it. A talent for loving. 118 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,880 And The Three Musketeers? What do they have in common? 119 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:51,440 Well, I'm, I'm not sure about those middle 2, but I'm assuming 120 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,440 it's going to be something to do with The Beatles. 121 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,000 We're going to star and intended to star and I. 122 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,040 Was going to go for something to do with Christopher Lee and 123 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,280 teaching people how to fence? Chris Lee teaching people as 124 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:04,880 they went along because he taught a lot of people out 125 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,040 talking during Lord of the Rings and he taught Oliver Reed how to 126 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,320 fence. Well. 127 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:15,960 In a previous film you did. Well, Chris, sorry Robert, you 128 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,520 you win the bun because yes, they, they were all muted as 129 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,680 film projects for The Beatles at one time or another. 130 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,560 OK, the yellow teddy bears. I mean Jesus. 131 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,520 You know it. Never heard of that. 132 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,920 One up against it was a proposed Joe Orton porno. 133 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:41,400 It was a homoerotic. It was homoerotic script, which 134 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,960 Brian Epstein vetoed. A talent for Loving was 135 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,400 actually, despite the name, was going to be like a cowboy film 136 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:54,880 with The Beatles. OK, so The Beatles. 137 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,520 You know, The Beatles had made one. 138 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,360 Truly great film and one pretty good film. 139 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,400 So Hard Days Night and Help OK, which were both directed by 140 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,280 Richard Lester and Lester, had worked with Spike Milligan and 141 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:13,440 Peter Sellers on the early Fred shows on TV and the running, 142 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,280 Jumping and Standing still film, and that was why he was deemed 143 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,920 the ideal director to direct The Beatles. 144 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,560 OK, so there's that connection now, actually, if The Beatles 145 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,920 had made. 3 Musketeers, yeah. Who would have played? 146 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,159 What role do you reckon are? You reading my notes because 147 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:35,760 linen this down as well. Linen would be ethos. 148 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:38,400 I think George would be d'artagnan, right? 149 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,159 Oh, I was going to go Paul for d'artagnan. 150 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:42,159 Really. No, I was going to go Ringo 151 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:43,799 Ringo for d'artagnan. Oh wow. 152 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:45,560 Oh, Ringo's. Porthos. 153 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:47,480 Ringo's clearly Porthos. I had Ringo's Athos. 154 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,880 Well, didn't I? Didn't I put Ringo for because 155 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,080 because it is. Because it is George's Aramis. 156 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,080 Because he's sort of the monest that priestly. 157 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,560 Sort of. One, but he's the young, very 158 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:00,200 pretty. He's the young one. 159 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,880 He's not. He's not like a protagonist, 160 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,480 does he? He's not like a main character. 161 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,800 Is he George I? Suppose. 162 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,640 No, the reason the reason I put Ringo for D'artagnan is is 163 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:13,080 generally considered that of the four, Ringo was the best actor. 164 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,280 And in this film, D'artagnan's got the most to do, isn't he? 165 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,440 Well, D'artagnan's sort of the hero, isn't it? 166 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,080 Yeah. It couldn't be. 167 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,600 It couldn't be. Ringo is Itanian because he's 168 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,120 not even the best fencer in the Musketeers. 169 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,600 Yeah, I tell you, I'll be Pete Best. 170 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,560 Jimmy Nickel, Victor Spinetti Because Victor Spinetti. 171 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:44,400 It was written in In In Blood that Victor Spinetti must always 172 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,880 appear in a Beatles film. So he'd have been, he'd have 173 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,520 been. Cardinal Richelow, I reckon, 174 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:51,840 Yeah, yeah, George Martin would have been in. 175 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,680 His Texas pizza voice, wouldn't he? 176 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:01,920 Yeah, no, I I I definitely see Lennon as sort of the brooding 177 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,880 ethos type character. Yeah. 178 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we're all agreed. 179 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Well, I'm agreed and you're agreed. 180 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,200 Rob Lennon is Athos. Yeah, yeah. 181 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,400 We just get to argue for an hour now, aren't we? 182 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,040 About this is going to be the whole, whole episode. 183 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,960 Yeah, Tyler, I don't mean to interrupt, but just I'm not sure 184 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,560 if you can hear a whole lot of fireworks in the background. 185 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:29,680 This is going to make, I don't know, the recording really, 186 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,960 really great, but that is of course, Guy Fox Night. 187 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,120 Yes, it's November the 5th, it's the evening of November the 5th 188 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,240 and a lot of my neighbours seem to be setting off fireworks in 189 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,120 their gardens. Yeah, so apologies for that in 190 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,360 advance. No, I can't hear a thing. 191 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,800 Oh, that's good. But you will. 192 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,640 Hopefully, Hopefully, I will. Yeah. 193 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,840 So, OK, so Richard Lester, he did those Beatles films and he 194 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:59,040 directed John Lennon in How I Won the War at the end of the 195 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,440 60s. He directed a big screen version 196 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,720 of Spike's Bed, Sitting Room, Bed. 197 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,960 Sitting. Room. 198 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,360 Yeah, Which was, Which is a pretty good film, but it wasn't 199 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,040 particularly successful. And then soon after that. 200 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,320 He was. He was going to begin work on a 201 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:25,920 motion picture adaptation of Flashman, which is the George 202 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,280 MacDonald Fraser novel, which is brilliant. 203 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,880 I mean, if you read any of the freshman books. 204 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,800 I have, yes, and they are delightful. 205 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:33,640 They are. They're great. 206 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,560 Tremendous, aren't they? Yeah, absolutely. 207 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,720 And he, of course, wrote the screenplay for this. 208 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,680 That's right, because they couldn't get financing for 209 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:45,080 Flashman at the time. It wasn't as a guaranteed. 210 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,000 Winner as as Three Musketeers. But I think a couple of years 211 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,920 later I made a terrible Flashman film with Malcolm McDowell. 212 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:51,720 It's. Not strong, no. 213 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,040 No, no it's not. But apparently list The Wanted 214 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,120 Malcolm McDowell for D'artagnan and. 215 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:00,480 Which I could see that absolutely. 216 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,560 I could see that if you said to me, OK, I mean I I think Michael 217 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:08,840 Yorke is fine, but I could equally see Malcolm McDowell in 218 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,800 that role. I I just, I see Malcolm McDowell 219 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,680 as a an evil person for something. 220 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:17,360 I mean, I just it. Would have been a different. 221 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,240 It would have been a much darker dark tenion, if you will. 222 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,640 Yeah, but you're thinking of him maybe from his, you know, from 223 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,280 Clockwork Orange. I'm thinking of him from oh 224 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,640 Lucky, oh Lucky Man. He plays a very sort of every 225 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,720 man character in oh Lucky Man, kind of fresh faced and slightly 226 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,600 naive. So I'm. 227 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,560 I'm thinking of him like that. But yeah, so the Flashman film. 228 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:42,400 The, the. The. 229 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,080 Lester was working on or hoping to get off the ground. 230 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:52,920 It was, it was going to feature or star John Alderton, who at 231 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,000 that time was famous on TV as please, Sir. 232 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,480 Yeah, Mr. Hedges, was it from. Please Sir, something like that. 233 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:03,840 Yeah. I don't think. 234 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,240 I can't remember. Please. 235 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,320 Right. Please, Sir. 236 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,760 And I know, Rob, you're younger than me, but I don't think it. 237 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,840 Was ever on TV in New Zealand? It certainly wasn't when I, you 238 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,080 know it wasn't repeated. I've never heard of it. 239 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,520 No, really. No sitcom set in a classroom 240 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,560 where the pupils were clearly not school age 30. 241 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:22,440 Yeah. Oh, easily. 242 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:24,200 Easily sounds like head of the class. 243 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,040 Oh God. Some of them were older than 244 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,200 John Alderson. It was like Greece. 245 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,280 Right. Duffy, do you know how to work 246 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,000 one of these things? Oh boy. 247 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,960 Fancy. Trust an expensive piece of 248 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,120 equipment or a little child. It's a load of old rubbish that 249 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,360 should have been scrapped years ago. 250 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,400 That's why I'm trusting it to a little child, Duffy. 251 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,640 Hurtful. Cheek hurtful here. 252 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:01,920 Cheek. Is that true? 253 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,520 We got a student teacher coming to dating. 254 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,000 Yes, Big Ears it is. Chart Is it a young lady Abbott? 255 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,160 I believe so. They're all charts to me. 256 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,920 Pardon. Yes, Sir. 257 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,760 Yes, Sir. There's no chance, this being a 258 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,600 love film, is there? Not unless Greek architecture 259 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:18,680 will get you going. Now shall. 260 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,000 I've only seen it since I've been in the UK. 261 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:23,680 Yeah, it was. It was one of those students 262 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:24,880 going through menopause and things like. 263 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,680 That it is yet another one of those British sitcoms that had 264 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:35,040 the not so great film adaptation containing the same cast where 265 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,080 they all go on holiday and it all goes wrong with like a scene 266 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,920 with boobs in it. It was. 267 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,160 They were still in school, so OK, probably, yeah, but they're 268 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,560 played by 42 year olds. Yeah, well, to give you an idea 269 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,600 of how old the pupils are, one of them was played by. 270 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Rita Danya, who plays Ralph Dring in Dear John. 271 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,800 Yes, the one with the mobile discotheque, that's how old they 272 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,200 were. And that was only like 10 years 273 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,800 later. And and and and there was a spin 274 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,400 off series as well called The Fence St. 275 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,600 Gang. Yes, that's right. 276 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,320 But yes, so John Alderson was, obviously he was. 277 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,440 That would mean the Flashman film if if if it had been made, 278 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,520 it could have, it really could have, You know, Alderton's 279 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,440 career could have skyrocketed off the back of that, but sadly, 280 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,320 certainly not. But I think, yeah, it came down 281 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,800 to money pretty much because. They were going to need like, 282 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,640 like thousands of extras to represent the British Army in 283 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,760 Kabul, for example, you know what I mean? 284 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,240 And it's not something that you could have filmed in real. 285 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,560 You know that. Carry on up the car. 286 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:46,920 Yeah, yeah. And and Lester, you know, around 287 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,960 this point, Lester was. Wasn't able to, you know, he 288 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,000 couldn't make anything because he was attempting to make a film 289 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:59,480 called Send Him Victorious, which was based on a novel by 290 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,400 later Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd. 291 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,520 Oh wow. Yeah, Which I'd never heard of, 292 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,320 but it was, it was a thriller and it was, it was going to, it 293 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:11,680 would have starred Ralph Richardson. 294 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,840 It was. And it was about get this right, 295 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:21,920 a right wing takeover of the UK. Oh, that would never. 296 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,880 Happen. No, I can't imagine. 297 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,200 But yeah, United Artists didn't stump up the cash for that. 298 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,440 So anyway, so he wasn't having a great time. 299 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,400 He was offered A Clockwork Orange but didn't want didn't 300 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,560 want to do it because of the sex and violence he had eaten that 301 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,880 day. Yeah. 302 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,040 Not a chocolate orange. Oh, sorry. 303 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,720 Yeah. So, so he was making, he was 304 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,760 making TV commercials basically around this time early 70s and 305 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,640 then he was approached by the I'm not sure how he pronounced 306 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,360 it. Is it Selkind or Selkind 307 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,040 Brothers? I say selkind, Yeah, I say 308 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,280 selkind, but you say selkind. Let's call the whole thing off. 309 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,040 They wanted to produce this big film adaptation of The Three 310 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,960 Musketeers and. They they pitched it right as a 311 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,720 big sexy film with big sexy stars. 312 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:23,599 That's fair enough. But he interpreted it as he 313 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:26,160 wanted it to be like an irreverent take on a classic 314 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:32,520 adventure yarn. And I think kind of the thinking 315 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,560 the reason that Lester was approached was because he'd 316 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,360 previously proven himself adept at directing, you know, a 317 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,600 quartet of amusing, unpredictable characters. 318 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,680 With The Beatles. So they thought, you know, 319 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,840 perhaps he could be the the ideal man for this. 320 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,600 And yeah, he went and he obviously he made that 321 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,000 connection with George MacDonald Fraser previously. 322 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,360 So he asked him to write the screenplay and do a Flashman on 323 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:57,640 it. And yeah, I think the film, it, 324 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,480 it sticks quite closely to the novel. 325 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,560 I mean the Flashman books. How would you, how would you 326 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,080 describe the Flashman books, the sort of historic, historical, 327 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,640 humorous body? Yeah. 328 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,880 Baldy. Most definitely. 329 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,760 But they are. They are as far as I can tell. 330 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,200 They are historically factual, but with a a fictional character 331 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,840 at the helm and plenty of sauce. Heaving bosoms. 332 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,160 Pretty much what they are, yeah. He was the the school bully from 333 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,040 Tom Brown. That is right. 334 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,960 Yes, yeah, he was a rogue. And I think if I remember 335 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,080 correctly, and he, his whole career is based on people 336 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,640 thinking that he's more heroic and honourable than he actually 337 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:37,800 is. You know what I mean? 338 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,920 Yeah, he's cared. Absolutely. 339 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:41,880 He's a cat. Yeah. 340 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,040 A lot of the books feature him wanting to have sex with his 341 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:52,280 wife, Alspis, but she's always away having sex with other men 342 00:18:56,360 --> 00:19:00,880 anyway. And yeah, the film was going to 343 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,880 be about four hours long and then they decided to split it in 344 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,680 half. And they didn't tell the didn't 345 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,600 tell the actors. Wow. 346 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,960 Until the premiere, they found out that the film they were 347 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,080 going to see was just going to be the first half of it. 348 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,320 Yeah, apparently some of them didn't even know up to that. 349 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,800 Point No, they didn't. None of. 350 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,400 I think some of the crew didn't know, but the cast certainly 351 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,720 didn't know. And the count hit them ruefully 352 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,880 and said two for the price of 1. Charlton millionaire Heston is 353 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,120 fine with it, but everyone else not so happy. 354 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,720 Well, yeah, because they didn't get, they didn't get paid. 355 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,640 God, they got paid for one film basically, didn't they? 356 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,560 Yeah. Yeah, it's awful. 357 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,440 And and then thereafter the Screen Actors Guild of inserted 358 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,600 the the cell kind Cell kind clause. 359 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,960 Not to be confused with the other cell kind clause. 360 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,600 The Santa Claus. Yeah, yeah, the Southland 361 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:58,880 clause. Starrington Allen, Yeah. 362 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,160 Oh no. Well, they made the Santa. 363 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,400 They made Santa Claus, the movie The Sarkones. 364 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,360 So that was their Sarkone. Clause Yeah, we're making Santa 365 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:08,640 Claus. Here's the Sarkone clause. 366 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,320 But they they sort of learned their lesson by the time they 367 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,320 came to producing Superman, because they did film, quite 368 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,120 famously, Superman One and Superman 2 back-to-back and. 369 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,960 Clearly told the actors this time and then brought in Richard 370 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,120 Lester to finish it off. Yeah, that's right. 371 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,840 Yeah. There's some similarities, 372 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,040 definitely. And the universe of this is when 373 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,520 you have movies that are planned to be one thing. 374 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,160 I'm thinking of that final two Harry Potter films that was only 375 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,440 going to be one film and only warranted one film, and then 376 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,680 they split that into that must have been a great payday for 377 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,760 Daniel Radcliffe and Co. They were just like, oh, all 378 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,040 right, yeah. Played again. 379 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,880 Fantastic. Yeah. 380 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,960 Yeah. Which again is fair enough. 381 00:20:59,040 --> 00:20:59,840 Yeah. Yeah. 382 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,800 Because the producers are getting 2 paydays, why should 383 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,520 they exactly? And and of course, at the end of 384 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,120 this film, 3 Musketeers, you get a trailer, don't you? 385 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,040 For for the Four Musketeers, which and I was chomping at the 386 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,360 butt to watch the Four Musketeers. 387 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,840 So we've got to, we've got to plan this. 388 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,640 Yes, yeah. Well, it made me think of it. 389 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,000 Brought to mind. And I couldn't think of any 390 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,800 other films that have done this, but it brought to mind Back to 391 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,360 the Future 2, yeah? You know, because they feel. 392 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,480 Yeah, I was. I was thrilled to bits when I 393 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,360 went to see Back to the Future two at the cinema and and 394 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,560 straight afterwards. Here's what's coming next. 395 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,360 It was great. It was really good. 396 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,920 I I really enjoyed. I enjoyed Back to Future Two 397 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,760 more than Back to the Future, and it's only recently that I've 398 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,840 seen Back to the Future 3. Which is not bad, my least 399 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,080 favorite. Yeah, it's oh. 400 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,240 I like it. I like it very much. 401 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:50,880 Do you? Yeah. 402 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,160 Yeah, I do actually. Yeah, I think it's. 403 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,400 I think it goes back to the formula of the first one, which 404 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,800 is just a linear story, and I found the second one. 405 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,080 It's a bit of a mess. I love the. 406 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,920 Second one. The second one sort of ties 407 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,560 itself up in its own mythology, and it breaks its own rules 408 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,200 occasionally, which I'm not a fan of. 409 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,760 I don't know. They tell you this thing about 410 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,200 timelines and then they actually break the rule by them being 411 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,920 there in the future anyway, where they shouldn't be because 412 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,120 they travelled there and stuff like that, yeah, Which I would 413 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:19,920 say I'm reading too much into it, but they created these. 414 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,880 Rules. I think the future, The future 415 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,320 is 2015, isn't it? If I'm right, yeah. 416 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,480 And where they've got like, where's my flying skateboard? 417 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,880 Yeah, hoverboard things. Wearing two ties to work. 418 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,240 They're fax machines. That's the future fax machines. 419 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,360 Where are my 3D holographic trailers? 420 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:57,680 Your prompter, even though you're not running, but you did 421 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,680 hurt my shoulder. I trusted with nothing 422 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,720 Convenience you, Sir, if you wish to postpone our meeting, by 423 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,000 no means. I fight just as well with my 424 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,520 left hand. If you find this places you at 425 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,240 the disadvantage, I do apologize. 426 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,440 You're very courteous, Sir. I was going to add about your 427 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,840 wound. I have an ointment of my 428 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:20,680 mother's. You might be soothing you 429 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,720 overwhelming. Young man, I'm going to give up 430 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,680 the early. Oh heck up my seconds. 431 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,240 Are you fighting this fellow? But I'm meeting him myself. 432 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,480 But not till 1:00, Sir. Oh no, no, no. 433 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,600 I'm to fight him myself. At 2:00, Sir. 434 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,080 How long you been in Paris? Since 8:00 this morning. 435 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:41,160 You waste little time, Sir. My father recommended that I 436 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:48,680 find jewels. Well, let us hope you can do him 437 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:55,320 some credit. So this film I've not asked you 438 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,800 guys, I should have asked us at the outset. 439 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:02,680 What's your history with it? Well, I first saw this and sort 440 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,880 of heard of it. I think I was about 11, sort of 441 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:13,840 been 1992, maybe 1993, and they played The Three Musketeers sort 442 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,520 of on one weekend and then the Four Musketeers the following 443 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,040 weekend. And I kind of enjoyed it. 444 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,080 I didn't. I think a lot of the humor sort 445 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,400 of passed me by. I don't think I picked up a lot 446 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:30,000 of the dialogue and I was a little bit underwhelmed with 447 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,640 Michael York. Actually, it would have been 448 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,680 1993, because I think I'd already seen the the Brad Pitt. 449 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,600 Oh yeah, yeah. And and I was quite sort of 450 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,520 hyped up on that one. You know, I was, I love this, 451 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,160 this thing. Bryan Adams, who was the third 452 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,040 guy. Who was the third guy? 453 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,800 And? Rod Stewart Rod Stewart. 454 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,320 Yeah, you know, you loved. That did you the obligatory you 455 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,600 loved that the obligatory well it was sort of coming off the 456 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:01,760 the the Robin Hood Prince of thieves kind of high and that 457 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,240 was a much simpler story. Do they follow the same story? 458 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,800 No, it's. Not the Queen's diamonds, no. 459 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,440 They they sort of. That plot is basically the the 460 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,440 Musketeers have been disbanded by the Cardinal, who's played by 461 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,240 Tim Curry, jumping all the scenery that you'd imagine and 462 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,360 Kiefer Sutherland's Athos. Charlie Sheen's Aramis and 463 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,720 Oliver Platt is Porthos and Chris O'Donnell. 464 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:37,360 That sort of charisma free zone. You know it's d'artagnan and 465 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,720 then they go straight into that into the kind of ethos milady 466 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,520 history and it's very simple, very basic sort of plot. 467 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,120 But yeah, so I quite enjoyed this. 468 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:55,000 I I, I I enjoyed the sword play. I remember enjoying the the 469 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,160 sword play and then I remember really liking the Four 470 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,160 Musketeers, although being quite disturbed by the Four Musketeers 471 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,360 because it takes quite a dark turn and then hadn't really seen 472 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:05,160 it since then. OK. 473 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,960 What about you, Chris? I think I saw this probably in 474 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,680 the late 70s when it was on TV, so I would have been quite young 475 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,760 when I saw it, probably like about eight or nine years old 476 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,800 and it must have been on TV. It's one of probably one of 477 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,480 those films that was on ITV. On a regular basis because I do 478 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,880 remember seeing it a few times on TV, but since then not at 479 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,600 all. So the last time I saw it was 480 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,360 probably the early 80s and so very much like you Rob, I I'd 481 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,680 completely forgotten that there was any kind of humour or 482 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,680 slapstick in it, I think because I'd seen different versions of 483 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,960 the Musketeers after that, particularly the one with the 484 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,040 dogs. It's probably the main one that 485 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,800 I've seen in that they're not AS. 486 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,880 Drunken and craft as they are. So it was a bit of a surprise 487 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,160 watching this because I was really, really unprepared for 488 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,800 the the, the jokes, the humor, the slapstick. 489 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,680 I was expecting a straight Musketeer film, so it was a 490 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,480 little bit jarring the first time I watched it. 491 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,800 This time round it was really interesting. 492 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,960 Yeah, because I'm pretty much the same. 493 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,520 I hadn't seen this since the 80s, probably and. 494 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,800 I've seen versions. I mean, the version that I've 495 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,520 seen the most is. I think it's what's it called? 496 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,120 Mickey's 3 Musketeers? The Mickey Mouse. 497 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:21,880 Oh my. God. 498 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,440 Because I've got children, I read. 499 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,160 I actually, I've never read the book, but I've read Man in the 500 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,480 No Count of Monte Cristo a couple of years ago, OK? 501 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,440 So, but I was, you know, I was aware of The Three Musketeers 502 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,680 story, I suppose, but they pop up in the terrible version of 503 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,840 Man in the Iron Mask with Leonardo Dicaprio's. 504 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,240 Are they in the novel of the money? 505 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,800 I think they are, aren't they? So. 506 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,320 So the novels are The Three Musketeers, Then there's 20 507 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,440 years later. Yes. 508 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280 And then there's, it's not called The Man in the Iron Mask. 509 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,640 It's called like the Vicomte, the Something. 510 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,320 And then there's basically a man in the Iron Mask section and 511 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,240 that, and they're all old by them. 512 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,200 Yeah, they will die basically in that one. 513 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,240 Sort of. Aramus and Porthos, sort of, 514 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,320 they go. Back Yeah. 515 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,160 There's sort of a bit of a heel turn. 516 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,880 Yeah. But they were just yeah. 517 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,600 Sounds a bit depressing. But the the the man in the eye 518 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,080 mask with Leonardo DiCaprio, he's got some pretty inspired 519 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,880 castings like John Malkovich is an aging ethos. 520 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:42,720 Yeah, Jeremy Irons is Aramis. Gabriel Byrne is d'artagnan and. 521 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,800 God is Gerard Depardieu. Yeah, Gerard Depardieu is both 522 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,240 US A. Frenchman No, no. 523 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,120 But yeah, it's not a very good film. 524 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,520 I haven't seen it. I haven't had the, I have seen 525 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,440 the the recent well, when I say recently the Kevin Reynolds 526 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,160 version of the Count of Monte Cristo, that's good. 527 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,160 With Guy Pearce and yeah, Jesus and Jesus. 528 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's very good actually. 529 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,360 Really enjoy that. Yeah, Jim, Jim Caviezel. 530 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,600 Jim Caviezel. Isn't isn't he like one of those 531 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,040 Q Anon? People. 532 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,520 Very much so, yeah. He'll probably be president of 533 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,000 the United States in the next sometime, next thing. 534 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,440 Is so you know, when we watch History of the World, the the 535 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,240 the the French, the the It's Good to Be King sequence, 536 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,760 Clearly Mel Brooks was inspired by this film, wasn't he? 537 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,400 Surely. The chess scene? 538 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,640 Definitely, yeah. And Spike. 539 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:45,000 Yeah, because this was quite successful, wasn't it? 540 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,240 Yes, it was, Yeah, multi befter nominated, wasn't it? 541 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,200 Yes, yes it was. Yeah, I think was there. 542 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,960 I think Raquel Welsh won a Golden Globe. 543 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,120 Raquel Welsh won a Golden Globe. This one, quite controversially, 544 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,200 I think it wasn't even nominated for an Oscar for costume design, 545 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,960 whereas The Four Musketches, which is the same film, yeah, 546 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,720 won an Oscar for best costume design. 547 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,160 OK, which is quite strange because this one, the, the 548 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,280 costumes and the the set designs I think are phenomenal. 549 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,560 Brilliant. Absolutely. 550 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,320 Amazing. I told you that as we're as 551 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,160 we're recording I am. I have the film on in the 552 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,680 background just, you know, just to get me in the spirit if you 553 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,240 like. And and we are literally. 554 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,320 We are literally at the bit where Raquel Welch has stuck her 555 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,200 bosoms. Through the window of the sedan 556 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,760 chair in which. Captain Peacock Yes, Kevin 557 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,360 Peacock is just about to have a little fondle. 558 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,960 And then she it's. That sort of humor that I was a 559 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,840 little bit like, yeah, what's going on here then would have 560 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,680 been bit if it was John Inman. He sort of warms his hands. 561 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,600 Yeah, and then and then, oh, Roy, Kinnear has just got a kick 562 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,120 up the ass. There we go. 563 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,320 Yeah, he's a trooper in this, isn't he? 564 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,360 Can we talk about Roy? Can we talk about? 565 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,120 It yeah, we have to, yeah. Because the because because his 566 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,800 history with The Three Musketeers is doesn't end well, 567 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,560 does it? No, tragically, even now. 568 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,040 Maybe he survived this one. Yeah, there is a scene, yeah. 569 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,720 And it is him, Yeah, because they couldn't afford a stunt. 570 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,960 They. Couldn't get a stunt on his 571 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,000 size, so he had to do his own stunts and that scene. 572 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,000 In this way, he rides into a tree. 573 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,520 And falls flat on his sort of. Flat on his chest, the 574 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,800 collision. Yeah, so I'm amazed he made it 575 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,400 to four in the sequel. Surely they could have found a 576 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,880 jockey and put him in a fat suit? 577 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,160 Like Willie Carson or something? Like that. 578 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,080 I mean, I don't know John Savadent or someone like that, 579 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,600 but he's I I really enjoyed his performance on this. 580 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,720 Oh yeah, definitely. I think he's probably like 3 581 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,440 lines of dialogue but in the whole film. 582 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,480 But is this such a good little bumbling sidekick? 583 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,160 Well. OK, Roy Kinnear is always great 584 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,360 but he's he's he's very much. Is it fair to say he's one note 585 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,640 he his performance has never his performance has never varied. 586 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,920 They're all is. He always plays the same sort of 587 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,400 character, doesn't he? He always plays Veruca Salts 588 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,840 Bed. Yeah, he always plays Roy 589 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,080 Kinnear, basically, which is. Fine, which is fine. 590 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,760 But yeah, I mean as as we say, you know, he he was in this, he 591 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,240 was in obviously he was in the Four Musketeers and is it the 592 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,120 return of the Musketeers? Yes. 593 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,320 And and and that was in the late 80s and he fell off a horse, had 594 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,600 a heart attack and died. Fractured his pelvis and then 595 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,600 and then died shortly afterwards. 596 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,320 Yeah. And then less than ever made it. 597 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,000 Never made another film there, yeah. 598 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:44,680 But he plays in this film. He plays Planchon and. 599 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,800 The best scene with him really is, is uprooting that tree. 600 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,760 He saves D'artagnan's life with that tree. 601 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,160 You recognize. This place, yeah. 602 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,680 The last place on earth we were all alive together till we meet 603 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,160 again, my friend. That won't be long. 604 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,120 When it came to casting, the producers insisted that. 605 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,640 Raquel B cast and Simon Ward apparently. 606 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,440 And what do you think about the casting of Spike as Raquel 607 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,760 Welch's husband? Well, it's comedy casting. 608 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,640 Yeah, it's. It's a one note, yeah, but 609 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,720 there's a there's a jarring shot of them actually having a cuddle 610 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,440 and beard which presumably post quittal. 611 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,040 Which I didn't like. I'd rather that it got edited 612 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:46,520 out, but some, you know, I mean they play it for laughs. 613 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,760 Don't know that she is this absolute drop dead gorgeous 614 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,200 bombshell And she is very she's stunning in this. 615 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,320 I wouldn't have dawdled the way Captain Peacock did in this 616 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:08,360 event or wasted no time. Social warriors were different 617 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,440 back then. Well, Spike was forever grateful 618 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:20,520 to Leicester, but I enjoyed. I actually enjoyed him in this 619 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:27,000 because he the the the spikeness is pitched at a nice tone where 620 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,679 it doesn't detract from the the material or the film too much. 621 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,000 It doesn't. It didn't Take Me Out of the 622 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,080 film. It's it's it's not seen stealing 623 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,679 in a way that you would expect it to be. 624 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,600 Spike just running around being Spike. 625 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,800 Like I said, he's actually got things to do and things to say 626 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,639 in this. The scenes with Cardinal 627 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,480 Richelieu where he's sort of saying, oh, he calls me friend 628 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,360 and things like that. Yeah. 629 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,440 If it wasn't Spike, it wouldn't be so comedic. 630 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,840 You'd just think it was tragic. Yeah. 631 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,840 So I think it's, it's, it's good. 632 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,240 I enjoyed him in this. Yeah, I did love the book where 633 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,480 he said that his wife lives in the palace, but she comes and 634 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,640 visit some once a week. And yeah, tonight's the night. 635 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,280 And then he does this full body, Sort of. 636 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:15,040 Tremble tremble. I really is so broad but I 637 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:22,040 really enjoyed that. Madam, my wife, is she not 638 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,880 beautiful and chanting thank you. 639 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:30,520 She is as as delicate as petals falling. 640 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,000 Of course you know that my wife is a dressmaker to the Queen. 641 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,440 Very nice person, the Queen. My wife has her every 642 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,320 confidence. Yes, I'm. 643 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,520 I'm very proud of being her husband. 644 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,120 Amber. She lives here. 645 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,240 No, I live here. My beautiful constant stays at 646 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:57,640 the palace. I mean, where else? 647 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,480 But she visits me once a week. Tonight, in fact. 648 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,640 Madam must look forward to that eagerly. 649 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,960 I'd love the bit with the flintlock pistol. 650 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:20,360 Oh yeah, and that's Christopher Lee actually playing off him 651 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,040 really well too in that scene. It's good to say I like the fact 652 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,000 that because Richard Lester got his first big break courtesy of 653 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,840 Peter Sellers in the 50s, because Peter Sellers offered 654 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,360 him. A job directing a television 655 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,040 show. OK, which soon after Spike got 656 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,560 involved with. So I like the fact it's almost 657 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,520 like, you know Richard Lester was doing a doing an old bait, a 658 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:52,320 favor by bringing in Spike. But yeah, good casting and and 659 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,040 Spike at the time was having some problems at home, not 660 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,120 problems, but he had a lot on his plate in terms of his 661 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,040 personal life and so he was quite glad. 662 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,520 To get away to, I think it was Madrid that they filmed And 663 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,800 Spain. Yeah, all over Spain. 664 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,640 Yeah, but he spiked. Apparently. 665 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,320 He read up on the period, read the book, read all the books, 666 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,680 all the Duma books, studied the costumes, sets the props. 667 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,200 And you know the bit at the end that that climactic ball scene, 668 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,720 the the, the, the grand ball. He was watching the filming of 669 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:29,800 that standing next to Dick Lester. 670 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,480 And he had tears in his eyes, apparently. 671 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,080 And he said, he said to Dick, he said, Can you imagine Dick? 672 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,160 It really was like this, wasn't it? 673 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,880 This is how it actually looked in the past. 674 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,320 We've bought back the past. So he was really bound up in 675 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,400 this whole project and really enjoyed his time on this film. 676 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,520 And Charlton Heston, apparently. So he says it is in his, in his 677 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,720 autobiography, was a big fan of Milligan. 678 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,640 I'm not quite sure from what or from how that was. 679 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,400 But he he said that spike reminded him of a Shakespearean 680 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,360 full. And he really enjoyed working 681 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,280 with Spike which apparently made Spike feel greatly at ease 682 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,400 because he was quite nervous about acting against such a 683 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,480 great thespian as Charlton Heston as he would be. 684 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,080 You can see why Milligan was taken with the whole production 685 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,920 though because like I even just me watching it, I was stunned 686 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,160 actually with the sets and the as he sacres the the costumes 687 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,880 and the the set design and but it feels really authentic. 688 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,360 Yeah. And just the the little nooks 689 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:44,240 and crannies that list the fines to kind of highlight. 690 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,480 Well, it's it's even the basics. They're almost like cutaway 691 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,760 jokes. But you imagine that the 692 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,920 authenticity of things like they're just walking down the 693 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,440 street and you know, somebody's throwing their their slot bucket 694 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,880 out. Yeah, they don't make a huge 695 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,840 thing of it, but it's just really to say that's what it was 696 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,960 like. It looked all really, really 697 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,320 grand but it feels like you can sort of smell you can sort of 698 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,960 smell the Oh yeah, what's going on. 699 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,480 And you can feel it and it's all sweaty and and yeah they don't 700 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,520 all look clean and. Someone think that another thing 701 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,880 that's someone's getting. A tooth extraction on the street 702 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,920 as well. Yes. 703 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,960 Yeah. Yeah. 704 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,000 You know, like that early game of tennis that they play. 705 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,160 Oh, they're. Playing real tennis. 706 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,560 That's brilliant. And even the Duke of Buckingham, 707 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,920 when he's walking around with it, oh God, what do you call it? 708 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,640 We've got the orange with the cloves in it and he's like 709 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,240 sniffing one of those and just there's just little details 710 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,120 everywhere that. Yeah, yeah. 711 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,640 I I think the other thing that this film has been sort of 712 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,360 congratulated for its its authenticity is the sword play. 713 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,920 Yes. Where? 714 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,240 It's not just right. I'll have a go. 715 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:46,600 Then you have a go and you chase me back. 716 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,880 It is proper, just people trying to hack the shits out of each 717 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,200 other. I I've listened to to another in 718 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,080 in preparation for this. I listened to another podcast 719 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,480 and it was from somebody who was. 720 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,520 They were a trained fencer. And they said out of all the 721 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,320 films they've seen, this is probably the one that does it 722 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,040 right? Does it really proper where? 723 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,040 Especially with Oliver Reid. Where? 724 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,760 He was just trying to hack people to pieces. 725 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,840 Christopher Lee had words with him, didn't he? 726 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,760 Yes. So he said, don't forget, he 727 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,560 said, Who taught you how to wield a sword on? 728 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,640 You did, Yes. And don't you forget it. 729 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:20,000 Yeah. Yeah, I read in What's the Book 730 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,960 called? I read in a biography called 731 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,440 Hellraisers, which is a biography of Oliver Reid, 732 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,360 Richard Burton, Richard Harris and Peter O'Toole, that. 733 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,480 A lot of the the stunt fighters refused to fight with Oliver 734 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,120 Reed because he didn't listen to any of the training or any of 735 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,720 the directors. He just wanted to his his idea 736 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:37,720 was just to kill people. He literally wanted to hit 737 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,760 people with his sword and he injured a lot of people by doing 738 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,560 that. Well, you can tell he. 739 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,400 Threw himself any, any time he was obliged to do a fight in any 740 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,320 film. He threw himself into it, didn't 741 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,320 he? And I'm thinking Women in love 742 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,840 as well, you know, he was quite. Epic. 743 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,720 He certainly threw himself into that, Yeah, himself and Dalen 744 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:04,280 Bates. The other thing I like about the 745 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,520 fighting in this, and I know we've talked about this on on 746 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,240 our show, is I like to see especially things like sword 747 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:15,200 fighting where they get really knackered and you know they have 748 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,200 to keep going or they're going to die. 749 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,840 It's not like if you see things like Lord of the Rings where 750 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,000 people are super fit and they just fight for hours and hours. 751 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,360 They look, they look perfect. With this one they are knackered 752 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,320 and that doesn't. I think the only one of the one 753 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,360 I've seen like that is something like Rob Roy, where they're just 754 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,600 barely able to stand up. But they know that if they give 755 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,360 up they're dead and and that shows in this a lot just because 756 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,760 they look obviously really unfit. 757 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:42,120 But there's the same sword fight choreographer whose name escapes 758 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,760 me right now, but he was like, did Rob Roy? 759 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,640 Did Willow did a whole lot of. I'll Google it. 760 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,160 Yeah, but yeah, yeah, there's a real sense of danger and sort of 761 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,120 urgency and stakes to every Joule. 762 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,600 Yes. And sort of almost like the 763 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,800 panic has just barely suppressed them and both the combatants. 764 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,920 And it looks so authentic, like, you know, Michael York. 765 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,240 I actually came away from the rewatch of this with a better 766 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,400 view of of his performance as dartending, because I actually 767 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,160 quite admired the the comedic performance that he does on us. 768 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,760 But he throws himself into the physicality of it as. 769 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,440 Well, well, he does that spin around the washing line. 770 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,400 Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. 771 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,760 And they they just all go healthfully. 772 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,000 Well, there's never the sense that it's a given that they're 773 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,720 going to win any, any confrontation. 774 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,440 And I'm thinking of, you know the bit, you know the bit when 775 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,200 so. D'artagnan bumps into Athos at 776 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,280 the beginning and Athos says you need a lesson in manners and 777 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,040 issues him a challenge to a jewel And then he and then he he 778 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,600 knocks Porthos off his horse I think and is issued with another 779 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,480 challenge and then I think he does the same to Aramis. 780 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,240 So he's basically has to he he he turns up for this this jewel 781 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,200 with The Three Musketeers and then the Cardinals guards turn 782 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,680 up and there's and we have that sword fight. 783 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,840 There's the point there's a bit where Athos so Oliver Reed is 784 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,920 fighting with two swords and he's he's like fighting one of 785 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:23,240 the like chuckle brother, he's he's got two swords but there's 786 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,560 like a 70 year old and one of the one of the Cardinals guards 787 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,640 yeah. But you, you get the feeling 788 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,600 that at any moment Athos could lose that, you know, lose that 789 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,720 confrontation. And right at the beginning of 790 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:39,320 the film, you've got Bloody Joss Hackland briefly don't, haven't 791 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,040 you? Yes. 792 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,800 Oh yeah, that's that's Daddy D'artagnan. 793 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,280 He's great. I actually, yeah, I bet credit 794 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,840 sequence really got me quite excited. 795 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,080 Like I loved the the sort of unshoothing of the blade. 796 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,800 It's. Not that sort of morphing. 797 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,440 Slow. No. 798 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,040 No, no. No. 799 00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,640 No, no, no, no. That kind of, yeah. 800 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,320 That that got me going. Did it. 801 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,000 That was cool. Yeah, not like that. 802 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:13,040 Well, Michael, you wouldn't look particularly buff, but it was it 803 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,960 was a room delight from Jos Aplin. 804 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:21,720 Yeah, gives me the horn. Give me a bit of diplomatic 805 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:25,240 immunity. He's showing off his lethal 806 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:30,320 weapon, but did you see who played d'artagnan's mum? 807 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,400 Oh, Ethel from EastEnders. It was Ethel from EastEnders, 808 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:40,520 Gretchen, Franklin. No sign of her little Willy. 809 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,280 No, no. But you know, it just whoops 810 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,960 along. Like, I just love how Joss Akman 811 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,840 has that chat with d'artagnan, which is don't ever submit any 812 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,240 insults, you know? Make sure you get a lot of 813 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:55,760 fighting in. And he takes them very 814 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,360 literally. Yeah, D'artagnan is basically 815 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,320 scrappy dude. At the start of this year. 816 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,520 Basically, I'll have a fight with. 817 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,600 Enemies. That's you looked at me funny. 818 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,840 Yeah, Yeah. He's stupidly earnest, isn't he? 819 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,120 And he's he's he's idealistic, he's naive. 820 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:16,000 He's stubborn and courageous, of course, But to to me, the least 821 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,000 impressive, impressive actor in this film, sort of the least. 822 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,840 Naturally charismatic, Yeah. Yeah. 823 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,040 I mean, Oliver Stone, Oliver Stone, Oliver Reed. 824 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,960 Now that would be interesting cast. 825 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,200 Oliver Stone's 3 Oh my God. You go for the magic sword. 826 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,200 Yeah, that would have been five hours. 827 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,640 Oliver Reed is just magnetic. I was actually watching this 828 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,280 going God, he would have been a good James Bond 0. 829 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,440 Richard. I've always had a soft spot for 830 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,960 Richard Chamberlain. I love Richard Chamberlain. 831 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,640 He kind of did a a nice line in this sort of thing too, because 832 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,800 he he did a Count of Monte Cristo. 833 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,560 He did. He did. 834 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,200 A man in the Iron Mask. He was also Jason Bourne, yeah. 835 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,560 And he was. He was the original Jason 836 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,480 Bourne, was he? Was he? 837 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the Bourne film was he 838 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:07,800 nominated, I think? There was. 839 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,320 Bourne Identity was like a the main series. 840 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,400 But I think it was based more on the The Loveland book, yeah, 841 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,840 rather than the absolute nonsense that became of the 842 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,320 trilogy, right. So yeah, he was on it. 843 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,760 He was the miniseries king for a while you know of. 844 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,440 Thorn Birds, Ralph. Dubricassell The Thorn Birds. 845 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,880 Yeah, yeah. But Frank Finlay even, you know, 846 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,800 like, right. Why did they give him that dual 847 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,280 role? I don't understand. 848 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,000 That's bizarre. It's not. 849 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,160 He's the Eddie Murphy of his day, but because he's he 850 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,880 basically looks exactly the same. 851 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,080 It's not like they've given him a really good latex sort of 852 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,840 appliance. Yeah, but he turns up in a very 853 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,240 brief scene, as is it. O'Reilly? 854 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:58,960 The O'Reilly. What is it? 855 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,080 The jeweler. Jeweler. 856 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,640 No, no need for it. I don't get it. 857 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,440 Was did the original actor sort of not turn up or something and 858 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,080 Frank Finney just went, you know I'll do it and he was in there. 859 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:15,080 I don't know. He sort of does a bit of a no 860 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,120 speak of the English he. Goes yeah, he's a bit, what a 861 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,040 mistake to make it. Yeah, but why is he called 862 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:28,240 O'Reilly then Irish Italian? Well, we heard his Irish accent 863 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:29,640 in the wild geese. We don't want that they. 864 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,360 Should have gone. They should have got the guy who 865 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,760 played O'Reilly in Fawlty Towers. 866 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,120 What's his name? David. 867 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,720 David Kelly Well, he couldn't do it. 868 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,800 He's only got one arm. He couldn't be a jeweler. 869 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,600 I. Think I've even washed dishes. 870 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,400 For years, for years and years and years, I was convinced that 871 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,880 the actor David Kelly only had one because I'd seen him on 872 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,120 Robin's Nest. I think that is one of the 873 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,400 finest jokes of all time though. Is David Kelly playing the one 874 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,160 arm dishwasher? I just think it's fantastic. 875 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:11,400 Now, did you both note who voiced the king Jean Pierre 876 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,120 Casal was was dubbed? Was Richard Breyers. 877 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,120 That was Richard Breyers. There are two people who were 878 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,360 dubbed in this, and they're dubbed by the some of the most 879 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,360 recognisable voice overs of the 70s. 880 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,080 You've got Richard Breyers and Michael Horden. 881 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,200 You know who? Michael Horden plays Monsieur. 882 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:29,400 Is it Trevillier? Who's there or something? 883 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,400 Yeah, Trevile. Yeah, The Musketeers. 884 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,240 Musketeers. It's clearly Paddington Bear. 885 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,520 Yeah, of course. And and of course at the time 886 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,280 around this time Breyers and Horden. 887 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,760 Were making Jeeves in Worcester for the radio. 888 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,960 They were. It is my intention to retire to 889 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,720 the depths of the country. In some old world sequestered 890 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,720 nook. I shall find a cottage and there 891 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,640 resume my studies. A cottage. 892 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,080 A cottage. Jeeves, if possible, Honeysuckle 893 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:07,360 covered. In that case, I fear I must give 894 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,760 my notice. Jeeves. 895 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,400 Hear you correctly. Yes, Sir. 896 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:16,280 You actually contemplate leaving my answer? 897 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,280 Only with the greatest reluctance, Sir. 898 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:23,880 But if it is your intention to play that instrument within the 899 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,800 narrow confines of a country cottage. 900 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:30,920 You say that instrument, Jeeves, and you say it in an unpleasant, 901 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,400 stupid voice. I'm hard put to explain it to 902 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,280 him. Who guards France while I sleep? 903 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,920 Who labours unceasingly while I amuse myself? 904 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,960 Your Majesty refers to God. I refer to Cardinal Richarder, 905 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,520 which is not quite the same thing. 906 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,760 There's the reason they did the voice overs because the actors 907 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,520 were were too French and they didn't want other people who 908 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,880 were pretending to be French to not look so good. 909 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,960 I don't know, but it was jarring for me knowing that Jean Pierre 910 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,800 Casals was presumably quite virile Frenchman. 911 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,840 He's met Saint Kessel's father and. 912 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,800 And you've got Tom Goode City, yeah, Martin Price and then 913 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,720 there's very, yeah. Well, yeah, but I've seen Jean. 914 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,240 I've seen Jean Pierre Cassell in Murder on the Orange Express and 915 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:21,120 as far as I can remember his he he spoke English perfectly well. 916 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,680 But is he in the Albert funny one? 917 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,120 Yes, Sydney Lamet 1. The Sydney Lamet one, Yeah, he 918 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,200 plays the I think it's like the train conductor on the train. 919 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,520 OK, Frank. Frank Finley. 920 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,400 I always think of him immediately as the witch smell 921 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,560 of persweeven yes. Old Big Nose is back. 922 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:49,400 Yeah, he's so scary in that one, isn't he? 923 00:50:50,840 --> 00:51:01,000 Carrots Yeah, that's probably the best episode in that first. 924 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,680 I I like that one. I I do like the Queen of Spain's 925 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,640 beard. I love that with. 926 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,440 With Jim, Broadbent plays the interpreter called Don. 927 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,200 Speak English Again. Again please. 928 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,720 Edgemont my love do. You know the the only thing 929 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:22,240 about that that still confuses me and it's it's a bit creepy 930 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,960 you know when sorry listeners we're completely going off the 931 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,640 track here but in that episode so you've got Mary Margulies as 932 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,560 the as the Spanish inventor. Who's desperate to get into 933 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,840 Edmund's trousers, basically, isn't she? 934 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:43,200 And she's talking to Edmund's mother and she's obviously got 935 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,120 Jim Broadband, the translator, translated for her. 936 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,560 And she's asking Edmund's mother what he's like in bed. 937 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:56,400 Yeah, yeah, I think that's the joke, isn't it? 938 00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:01,680 Actually, quite rightly says he's like a little rabbit. 939 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,240 Is that when Edmund's all bruised and? 940 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,240 Baldrick's bruised. A Baldrick's Bruised, Yeah. 941 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,640 She can't be a virgin, so Baldrick has to go and seduce 942 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,080 him and he's all black and blue afterwards. 943 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,800 I should just talk about that very underrated series. 944 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,440 It doesn't get off talking. About I always It's my second 945 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,080 favorite Blackadder series. Now back to Oliver Reed. 946 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,720 So Athos, the character of Athos, Is he meant to? 947 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:41,960 Because I've not read the book. But is he meant to be alcoholic? 948 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,480 That's I haven't read the book either, but that's certainly the 949 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,160 the characterization that they go with a whole lot of 950 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,720 adaptations. Is that because of Oliver Reed? 951 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,880 I don't know. But he's one exert I read was 952 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:02,200 that he was. He's stern and while his while 953 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,880 his colleagues have seen him smile a lot, they've never seen 954 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,240 him laugh. That's sort of a line that OK 955 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,800 that they say. So I think he's sort of the 956 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:17,200 brooding, angsty one, which, you know, you find out later that he 957 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,560 has this romantic history with Milady De Winter, and then he 958 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,360 was an actual bastard. He found out that she was a 959 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:30,080 criminal and just spurned her, and then of course ends up 960 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:35,040 presiding over her execution. OK. 961 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,800 It's not good, is it? It's very, it's very easy to, 962 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,520 very easy to sympathize with her in that situation, yeah. 963 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,600 I mean, I know because he's a, he's a nobleman, he's the, he's 964 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,920 a he's a count, he's the compte de la frere or something. 965 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,640 Yeah, I know. In in, as we mentioned, 966 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,440 Dogtownian and the three Muska hands. 967 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,600 The the Athos there does drink beer, so maybe it does follow 968 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,120 on. He drinks a beer and swears he's 969 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,840 faithful to the king. Yeah, as they say in the lyrics, 970 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,600 yeah. So maybe it is a Dumar thing, or 971 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,680 maybe they've just copied a whole of The room. 972 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,080 Yeah. Does this film, did you know, 973 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,120 set some precedence? Because Christopher Lee's 974 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:19,920 interpretation of Rochefort with the eye patch, which I think was 975 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,240 a Christopher Lee thing where his back story was a Musketeer, 976 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:27,400 took Rochefort's eye and that's why he has this animosity 977 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,560 towards the Musketeers. Oh OK, but every it's ration of 978 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,440 Rochefort after that has had an eye patch even though that's not 979 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,840 mentioned in DeMar. Oh, OK. 980 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,440 Right, a bit like the dare stalker for Sherlock Holmes. 981 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,640 That was never. Mentioned in the actual stories 982 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,200 and I think it was adopted by an early actor, I don't know 983 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,080 William Gillette or someone like that on, you know, on stage. 984 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,680 And it it became the man can get. 985 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,720 Accepted as as part of the Sherlock Holmes costume, I 986 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,280 suppose. A bit like how the makers of 987 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,320 Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, thought Nazir was a canonical. 988 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,200 Yeah, characters. Not from Robin Nazir, would, 989 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,480 Yeah, Yeah. Prince of Thieves. 990 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,200 I haven't seen it for years and years and years. 991 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,320 Am I right in thinking that they they land in Dover? 992 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,840 They land at Seven Sisters, which is meant to look like 993 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,040 that's quite topical, of course. Indeed, yeah. 994 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,240 And they they walk to Nottingham to that tree that's no longer 995 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,000 there, which is on Hadrian's Wall Gap. 996 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,040 By by nightfall, and as as as we've already covered Prince of 997 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,880 Thieves and I don't really have an issue with that, I'm fine 998 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,960 either. And what about, I mean, we 999 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,560 mentioned the script George McDonald Fraser. 1000 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:50,320 It was brilliant script for this and the dialogue was especially 1001 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,160 picked out for praise because it was both. 1002 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,880 And again, this is kind of bringing in weaving in the the 1003 00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,400 Fleischmann influence. It was authentic. 1004 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,000 The dialogue was authentic for the period while also being 1005 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,200 sufficiently contemporary enough for modern years and a bit of 1006 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,840 baldiness. And also, there's a lot of a bit 1007 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,280 of a shaggy, shaggadelic sort of spirit to this, yeah. 1008 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,440 Unless they wanted to highlight the underclass, you know, the 1009 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,800 servants, the peasantry, not just make it a sumptuous film 1010 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,280 with the focus on the wealthy and then the entitled. 1011 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,040 So it's it's like we said before, you know, you see people 1012 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:38,520 throwing shit out the window and amateur dentistry and people 1013 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:44,600 sleeping rough and D'artagnan himself is very much, you know, 1014 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,920 you sympathize with him because he's coming from kind of nothing 1015 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,040 really. And I thought there's there's 1016 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,960 one moment towards the end where he confesses to the Duke of 1017 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,520 Buckingham, and I'm sure it's very common at the time, but he 1018 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,360 says, I'm afraid I can't read what you sort of think. 1019 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,360 They wouldn't have done that in a in an American version, you 1020 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,240 know, they just, they wouldn't have that. 1021 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:05,240 Little. He'd have been poor, but 1022 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,120 educated, Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1023 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,040 That taught himself to read with, you know, his father's 1024 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,840 Bible or something, you know? But hey, but I just thought that 1025 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,520 was like even a little insight into just, yeah, this guy's 1026 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,960 perfectly a bit of a peasant. He knows how to wield a sword. 1027 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,680 And and also the Musketeers are not held up as being because 1028 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,960 they are the they are technic. They are the King's men, aren't 1029 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,160 they? But but they're also mercenaries 1030 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,360 to a degree. They're they're guns for hire, I 1031 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:39,400 suppose. I've never really understood the 1032 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,280 because every version of the Musketeers that you watch, they 1033 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,600 just seem to do what the fuck they want. 1034 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,600 So yeah, it's. I don't really know. 1035 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,760 Yeah, I'd imagine that their oath is allegiance to the king, 1036 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,120 but but everything they do in this isn't in allegiance to the 1037 00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,200 king. It's the polar opposite. 1038 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,720 They're they're assisting with the Queen's infidelity, yeah. 1039 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,320 And I for me, I was a little confused with that as well. 1040 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,040 Nothing of this the king is protecting. 1041 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,560 This is just a an idiot. Yeah, and they help him in no 1042 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,960 way at all. Well, Joe Zechman does say the 1043 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,960 d'artagnan. You're a King's man and a 1044 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,640 Queen's man. Too. 1045 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,240 And also it's it's obviously, I know it was, it was filmed in 1046 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,840 one and it's split into two films. 1047 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,240 It's called The Three Musketeers. 1048 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:30,000 But it's very much about D'artagnan, this first film, and 1049 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,520 you don't see. You don't. 1050 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,160 Faye Dunway. Is Milady de Winter? 1051 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,880 Is that her name? She doesn't have a huge amount 1052 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,160 to do in this film, so I'm assuming she does have a lot 1053 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,080 more in The Four Musketeers. Yeah, as I guess there's a lot 1054 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,480 more the Cardinal, she has a lot more to do in the in the next 1055 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,200 one. Well, the subtitle is, Is it 1056 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,160 Milady's Revenge? Milady's Revenge, Yeah, because 1057 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,320 the the subtitle, this one is The Queen's Diamonds. 1058 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,080 And yeah, Milady's Revenge, the next one. 1059 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:05,320 But they had to ensure that they kit ethos and milady separated 1060 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:10,440 in this first film, because if they saw laid eyes on each other 1061 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,600 then they've got this shared history, yeah. 1062 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,800 Yeah. They do sort of cross paths 1063 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,400 right at the end of this, but she's sort of exchanging glances 1064 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,800 with D'artagnan and everything else. 1065 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:24,680 Yeah, not, not with Ethos, yeah. And Chris, were you taken out of 1066 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,800 this film by the unexpected appearance of Rodney Bewes? 1067 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:38,760 I was very much so playing a spy in another cracking scene, 1068 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,280 another brilliant bit of writing, which I thought was 1069 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,440 really good because he's talking in flashback and relaying what 1070 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,160 they were saying. But doing it in such a dry 1071 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,640 Rodney Bewes kind of way. It was great. 1072 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,000 It was just another one in it that was really nice to see from 1073 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,320 that sort of 70s era. Very much like Frank Thornton. 1074 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,040 Yeah. Is that the guy who's reading 1075 00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,320 the transcript And then they? Yeah, Robbie views and then they 1076 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,800 have 3 lines, yeah, Geraldine Chaplin and Raquel Welsh 1077 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,920 actually mouthing his style. Yeah, it's really well done. 1078 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:06,960 I thought it was really well done. 1079 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,880 The following conversation took place in the bed Chamber of 1080 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,000 Madame Bonacieux at the palace. The Queen said I am lost, I am 1081 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,520 lost, Madame Bonacieu, said Her Majesty Constance. 1082 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,240 I am lost, Majesty. What can I do, Constance? 1083 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:27,000 We can get the studs back. Lord Buckingham in 14 days from 1084 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,480 London. I am lost. 1085 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,240 Majesty, in 14 days a messenger can reach London and return to 1086 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,320 Paris with the studs and a messenger who I can trust no 1087 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,280 one. That devil has informers 1088 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,200 everywhere, That evil, filthy, revolting, wretched man. 1089 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,480 Evil, filthy, revolting, evil man calls himself a man of the 1090 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:56,160 Church according to this. Again, the likely lads. 1091 01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,200 Or whatever happened to the likely ads, I don't think. 1092 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,040 Certainly when I was a kid growing up in the 80s that was. 1093 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,400 I don't think that was repeated or shown on TV in New Zealand. 1094 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,720 I I really came to it when I came to the UK. 1095 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,640 So I don't think Rodney Bewes. I might be wrong, but I don't 1096 01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,040 think Rodney Bewes is a household household name it. 1097 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,400 Was it was James Bolden though as well, wasn't it? 1098 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,840 Yeah, because I was very familiar with James Bolden as a 1099 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,160 kid from something. Yeah, only when I laughed. 1100 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,280 Only when I laughed. OK. 1101 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:32,080 Yeah, and when the boat comes in, can you sing the ring only 1102 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,880 for its theme music? Sing the theme music, Chris. 1103 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:42,040 I'm not, I'm not singing. Dance for your Daddy, My Little. 1104 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:51,120 Do the fishy on addition. God, it's a cracker. 1105 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,040 But yeah, it, I mean, yeah, I I if you didn't see, especially 1106 01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,720 whatever happened to the likelihoods, which I think is 1107 01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,120 one of those very rare examples of when they revive a series, 1108 01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,960 it's much better than the original. 1109 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,680 Yeah, it's it's terminally. It's yeah, Yeah, Absolutely 1110 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,280 Fabulous. It's so good and if you can dig 1111 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,000 it out, it's well worth it. So brilliant. 1112 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,400 Again, that's another one that had a spin off film where they 1113 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,240 went on a caravanning holiday, which was OK. 1114 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,400 I quite like that one. Yeah. 1115 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,200 Yeah, the sad thing is that, I gather. 1116 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:28,520 Bolam and Buse didn't get on in real life particularly well, and 1117 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:34,440 I think Bolam pretty much cut cut ties with pews completely 1118 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,960 because Rodney Bews was interviewed at one point and 1119 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,280 said something. Nothing bad, but something in 1120 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:46,120 what Bolam considered indiscreet about Bolam's wife in an 1121 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,840 interview and nothing bad. I can't remember what it was, 1122 01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,280 but anyway. My wife's name. 1123 01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,000 He probably just said, yeah, yeah, I've slept with James 1124 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:03,120 Bolan's wife, you know, and for some reason Bolan just cut him 1125 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,040 dead after that. And. 1126 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,400 Bolan was proceeding next to him in the interview. 1127 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,560 We should have seen his face. Blimey. 1128 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,560 I have to say my 3 1/2 year old son is a bit of a James Bolan 1129 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,560 fan. Because James Bolan. 1130 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,560 I plays Grandpa in my pocket, Yeah. 1131 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,440 Oh, I think I've seen that. My daughter, I think, may have 1132 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,400 watched that when she was little. 1133 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,320 You know, the ball at the end of this film, the, the climax of 1134 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,520 the film is this grand ball because the Cardinal was trying 1135 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:42,600 to set in train the downfall of the Queen, isn't he? 1136 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:47,520 By exposing her, exposing her relationship with the Duke of 1137 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,360 Buckingham. And some diamonds. 1138 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,040 And anyway, there's this grand ball. 1139 01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,200 Did you see the guy who looked like Mick Fleetwood dressed as a 1140 01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:03,400 mountain goat? Now there's a sentence I wasn't 1141 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:11,040 expecting to hear. And you got plancha, you got Roy 1142 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,360 Kinnear dressed as a polar there. 1143 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,240 Yeah. Quite slimming, actually, That 1144 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,360 polar bears head, I think he looks very good, isn't it? 1145 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,520 Yeah, you've got dwarves who are, again, they're having 1146 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,680 little conversations of their own, these serving little 1147 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,680 people, and it's really funny They're talking about, oh, can't 1148 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,520 be here, she's got different shoes, the feet are too small or 1149 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,080 something, like they're on these little chats together and that 1150 01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,200 must be scripted, but I just think it's so nice. 1151 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:44,480 That that same WHERE d'artagnan. Finds, you know, on his their 1152 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,160 daring mission to get to Buckingham so they can get the 1153 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:52,040 necklace off him. When he finds Buckingham in that 1154 01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:57,920 field, it just looks amazing the way that Lester shot it. 1155 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,440 I mean, it's just look like a row of tents or something, but 1156 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:07,440 it just totally evokes this kind of, yeah, he makes it look like 1157 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,440 a huge budgeted epic. Isn't that, Yeah, absolutely. 1158 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,280 Aren't they? Slaughtering deer at this. 1159 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,880 Well, yeah, they are, yeah. So apparently there were some 1160 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,080 criticisms of the scenes of animal cruelty. 1161 01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,960 And that's because there's also that scene where the dogs have a 1162 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,040 rowed. The chest chest dogs. 1163 01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:34,040 The chest dogs, Yeah, Quentin Tarantino's first draft. 1164 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:35,960 You want to give the blokes from ABBA. 1165 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:45,320 Yeah, just on that. Yeah, yeah. 1166 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,440 But there's also like a like a Hawking scene. 1167 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,960 And I don't mean, you know, a scientist with a funny voice. 1168 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,400 There's a scene with some hawkers and some some birds are 1169 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,280 clearly slaughtered by the Hawks as well. 1170 01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:58,680 So you're right. There are a couple of things 1171 01:05:58,680 --> 01:05:59,920 like that that made me feel a little bit. 1172 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:01,720 That would have been inspired casting. 1173 01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,240 Oh, for one. Do you want to hear my Stephen 1174 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,200 Hawking story? Yeah. 1175 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:08,800 Oh, yes. Yes. 1176 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,360 So my wife. Years ago used to work in 1177 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:17,720 customer services for a large, well known department store. 1178 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:23,320 And yes, I know the one. And you know the the kind of 1179 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,880 people that would typically phone up and complain were 1180 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,480 people living in the shires you know middle class Hobberts types 1181 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:35,760 and. And one day my wife took this 1182 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,440 call from this woman and she said I'm as the personal 1183 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,800 assistant to. Professor Stephen Hawking and 1184 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,440 the lounge suite that we had, that he had delivered is, you 1185 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,320 know, there's a tear or something, you know, and we, we 1186 01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,560 want something, you know, we want some sort of compensation, 1187 01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:54,760 blah, blah, blah, that sort of thing, right. 1188 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,480 So my wife's taken down to the details and and at one point she 1189 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:04,120 can hear in the background the unmistakable sound of Stephen 1190 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:08,200 Hawking saying. Do not take any crown from them. 1191 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,200 The unmistakable sound, ladies and gentlemen. 1192 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,120 The unmistakable sound, you know. 1193 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,160 Lucky he didn't turn up. She would have been like to 1194 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:25,360 leave it. Stephen, they're not worth it. 1195 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:26,200 They're not worth it. Yeah. 1196 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,880 Did he get any compensation? He's dead now we can say. 1197 01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,520 I don't know. OK. 1198 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,760 And. What does he need a couch for? 1199 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,200 Scraped it? That's terrible. 1200 01:07:54,840 --> 01:08:00,000 Sorry but. Anyway, back to the film. 1201 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,920 Oh yeah, the Musketeers, Yeah. The Musketeers, you know the 1202 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,280 bit. So right at the end when you've 1203 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,760 got, I don't particularly, I don't know how you feel the 1204 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,680 whole. Climax of the film with the with 1205 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,240 d'artagnan and the the fight between Raquel and Faye Dunaway 1206 01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:20,040 and all that. I found that a bit. 1207 01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,279 It went on a bit too long and I don't understand how that did. 1208 01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,000 How did the Musketeers know to get there to help D'artagnan? 1209 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,560 I I didn't get that. I didn't understand. 1210 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,240 There's a well, they there's a little bit of that throughout 1211 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,120 the whole film. Well, they sort of like 1212 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,399 spontaneously. Kind of coalesce around each 1213 01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:43,680 other for really vague reasons, but they they heard his voice 1214 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,720 right when he when he nicked their horse. 1215 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,680 Yeah, yeah, because he thought they were dead. 1216 01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,680 So when he was on his way back to the the palace, yeah, because 1217 01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,040 they were they, they were with him for a mission and they'd 1218 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,560 obviously heard him and knew he'd returned. 1219 01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,920 So they thought, oh, well, the mission's still on, yeah, let's 1220 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,920 go and join him. But rather than ride horses, 1221 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,960 they're just carried in those little Chariots, they. 1222 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,319 Were just the sedan chair things. 1223 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:13,279 And that horse that d'artagnan stole, there's a bit where he 1224 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,120 has to kick a hole through a wall. 1225 01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,080 Yeah, was that wall made out of cake? 1226 01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:23,760 Because it just seemed to. It's like that, that viral 1227 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:24,680 trend. Is it cake? 1228 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,640 Is it cake or is it a wall? Is it? 1229 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,279 Yeah, it's a new one. Is it wall? 1230 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,880 Yeah, it would have been easier if he just stood on the horse's 1231 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,520 back and climbed over. Yeah, it wasn't exactly a high 1232 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,760 wall. Yeah, it looked quite convinced. 1233 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,600 I was convinced. Because you actually see the 1234 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:47,800 horse doing this little kicky thing, don't you? 1235 01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,600 Yeah, yeah. I was quite impressed with that. 1236 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,920 And because it's a Richard Lester film as well, there's the 1237 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,480 bit where I think it's D'artagnan, he he, he tries to 1238 01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:01,160 pull the carpet from under the feet of some people. 1239 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,560 And you think that they're going to? 1240 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,840 Fall over, but all he does is rip the carpet. 1241 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,040 Yeah, which there's little deflating moments like that 1242 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,680 throughout the film. Like there's that book where he 1243 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:17,120 tries to extinguish the candle or the sword and he just sort of 1244 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,240 misses it and then he has to clumsily take his glove off and. 1245 01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,640 And also is. I quite like all. 1246 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,480 That is, Constance. Is Raquel Welch that character 1247 01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:30,640 of Constance that she plays? I don't think in the book she's 1248 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,080 meant to be clumsy. But she's portrayed as very 1249 01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,960 clumsy in this, isn't she? Yeah, she's supposed to be an 1250 01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:44,080 intelligent, loyal, you know, aid to the Queen, which they'll 1251 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,480 obviously keep the loyalty. But I mean, I quite like that. 1252 01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:49,680 Because in a lot of films, particularly if you're talking 1253 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,800 about people like Richard Curtis or whatever, beautiful women are 1254 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:57,600 always these perfect. Yeah, infallible, unattainable. 1255 01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,360 So to make it ridiculously clumsy, Yeah, I think it's a 1256 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,200 really, really nice touch. Yeah, and she's attainable. 1257 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,000 Yeah, very. Yeah, I know she's. 1258 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,560 I mean, there's a lot of unseemly collision from 1259 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,000 D'artagnan. Yeah, he's very persuasive, 1260 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,280 isn't he? Oh, he's come and have a cuddle. 1261 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,360 He's. Desperate as buggery to give her 1262 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,320 a bath, isn't he? Or wash her or something. 1263 01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:29,320 Well, he has. Washed a horse before and and 1264 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,960 you start at the top. He knows all the lines. 1265 01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:36,640 Work done. Yeah. 1266 01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:42,160 You cannot go to the queen with dirty legs, no. 1267 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,400 Are you strong enough to wash them? 1268 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:52,120 No, My poor husband. Without him, I feel so helpless. 1269 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,800 I've now washed the legs of a woman. 1270 01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,080 I have done a horse with a horse. 1271 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:03,120 You start at the top. I cannot go dirty to the queen. 1272 01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:08,000 Do you think I will be safe here? 1273 01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,360 Oh, yes. Constant, yes. 1274 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:22,720 Oh, sorry. That's the thing. 1275 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,800 D'artagnan is a pain in the ass, really. 1276 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,160 And she asks. I mean, she goes off, She goes 1277 01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,200 off for an assign, a secret assignation, or he doesn't know 1278 01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,840 where she's off to. And she makes she she makes 1279 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,360 D'artagnan promise promise not to follow her, so he does 1280 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,080 immediately. And she meets Simon Ward, the 1281 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,640 Duke of Buckingham, which leads to that fight scene in The 1282 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,040 Laundry. Roy Kinnear is joining in. 1283 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,320 Giving PeopleSoft taps on the head with planks of wood. 1284 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,640 Yeah, which is knocking them out. 1285 01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:03,200 But you've got Oliver Reed, red face, sweating like hell and 1286 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,440 just look looking like he wants to kill people. 1287 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,720 It's. Sweating in every scene in this 1288 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,440 Yeah, he just looks like he's permanently in that, permanently 1289 01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:14,840 hungover or. Well, it's no, it's yeah, it's 1290 01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,480 interesting. He's not playing tennis as he 1291 01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:19,280 it's Porthos and Aramis. He's just what he's he looks too 1292 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:19,760 sweaty. He's. 1293 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,360 Sitting there, sweating. He's watching them sitting and 1294 01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,080 looking angry. But it's the fact also that he 1295 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,360 doesn't just fight with swords. He'll fight with like a coach, 1296 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,880 yeah, and things like that. He just uses whatever's around 1297 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,320 him, Yeah, but just with the intent of not knocking somebody 1298 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,760 out, as you said, like rocking here and just killing them. 1299 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,400 It's like 17th century Bourne Supremacy. 1300 01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,680 That's Richard Chamber. But yeah, it's another one of 1301 01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,840 those sort of desperate Who the fuck knows what's going to 1302 01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:47,880 happen? Fight scenes. 1303 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I will say we talked about 1304 01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,760 Simon Ward, just a little bit of trivia. 1305 01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,840 Do you know who Simon Ward's son-in-law is? 1306 01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,960 No, it's the comedian Michael McIntyre. 1307 01:13:59,960 --> 01:14:01,360 Oh. God. 1308 01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,760 Oh God, there you go. I found that out in my doing my 1309 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,280 homework. Well, you know who's Michael 1310 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,120 Mcintyre's father was? Mr. McIntyre. 1311 01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:12,480 Mr. McIntyre. No. 1312 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:13,760 Trying to think of someone else called. 1313 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,800 McIntyre Ray Ray Cameron I don't know why he's got a different 1314 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,000 signer. Ray Cameron. 1315 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:23,200 Ray Cameron, famous for Co writer for Kenny Everett on the 1316 01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,320 Kenny Everett Television Show OH. 1317 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,920 With Barry Cry. Oh wow, I didn't know that. 1318 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,160 One, you know Kenny Everett video show, you know, there was 1319 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,040 the two wasn't there. There was the 10s one and oh 1320 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,160 absolutely. I remember the video show. 1321 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:35,480 Yeah. Yeah, I bit. 1322 01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:38,920 Michael McIntyre really gets on Simon Woods tits. 1323 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,280 Well, not anymore. Aussie Yeah, OK, But yeah, he 1324 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,680 probably did, yeah. Can you imagine their dinners? 1325 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,480 I'm just glad Simon Ward didn't live live long enough to see the 1326 01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:56,920 wheel on TV because he I don't mean it, but he would be turning 1327 01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,240 in his grave. I watched the wheel for the 1328 01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,960 first nightly time recently because my wife was watching it. 1329 01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,480 And you do have to. It's like the celebrities that 1330 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:10,200 they get on Part of the agreement must be you have to 1331 01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,720 behave like a tit. You have to know how to dance 1332 01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,720 like an idiot in a chair. Yeah, that's it. 1333 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:19,360 But I am. I'm not normally. 1334 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,320 I mean, sometimes I'm quite scathing, but just because I 1335 01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,480 don't find certain things funny, it doesn't mean they're not 1336 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:27,560 funny. And everyone always goes on 1337 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:28,840 about things like Mrs. Brown's voice. 1338 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,600 I personally don't find it funny, but clearly a lot of 1339 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,120 people do. Yeah, and they're idiots. 1340 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:37,800 Well, but with with Michael Mcintyre's the wheel. 1341 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,960 He's absolutely shy. I don't understand it at all. 1342 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,320 Let's let's stop talking about Michael McIntyre. 1343 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:47,000 It's distressing. Me. 1344 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:48,040 Yeah. Sorry. 1345 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,600 This is a podcast about comedy. Yeah, someone. 1346 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,280 Has to get that out. You can only do you hate mail. 1347 01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:04,400 It's his next guest. But what I'll say is I really 1348 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,760 enjoyed this. I liked it a lot more than I 1349 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:12,120 expected to. I was really impressed with it. 1350 01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,920 Just yeah, I thought it was so entertaining. 1351 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,240 I'm really looking forward to watching the next. 1352 01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,920 One, Yeah. So was it still, was it still 1353 01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,520 any good, Rob? Yes, it certainly was still 1354 01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:25,400 good. Good. 1355 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:26,760 Nice one. Yeah. 1356 01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,360 Now for me, I gave the film the same treatment that I I did. 1357 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,800 I do for for our own podcast, which is I'll watch it through 1358 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,320 first time just to get a feel of it. 1359 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,400 And then the second time I'll sit and I'll make notes and I'll 1360 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,280 write down and I'll sort of take a little bit more in. 1361 01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,840 And the first time I didn't enjoy it at all. 1362 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,360 And I think that's more my fault than the film's, because like I 1363 01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:50,600 said before, I'd completely forgotten that there was all of 1364 01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,360 this slapstick and comedy and lightheartedness, and I was 1365 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,960 expecting a bit more of a a serious, albeit bawdy kind of 1366 01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,680 swashbuckler. Chris had just watched an 1367 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,080 episode of The Wheel. Yeah, it was in a bed curse you 1368 01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,680 and all your family. So the first time I thought, oh 1369 01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,240 God, I really didn't get this. And I think it's I, I sort of 1370 01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:12,760 hung a lot of that on Richard Lester. 1371 01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,320 I mean the the, the sections. And if we compare it to another 1372 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,960 thing he did with with the Sarkins, which was of course the 1373 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,960 the scenes of Superman 2. And you can tell the Richard 1374 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,720 Lester scenes of that to, to use a phrase of yours, Rob, they 1375 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:29,840 stick out like dog's balls where there's there's some serious 1376 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,200 stuff. And then someone, someone's wig 1377 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,560 will blow off in Superman 2 or they'll get an ice cream in the 1378 01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,240 face. And this felt very like much 1379 01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,040 like that. But the second time I watched 1380 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,720 it, I enjoyed it considerably more. 1381 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,280 I accepted the film for what it was and like, like we said, I 1382 01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,560 was really, really blown away by the production design, by the 1383 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:51,320 swordplay, and just by the the sheer stupidity of quite a lot 1384 01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:52,640 of that I thought was great fun too. 1385 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,000 So, yeah, yes, I would say still good as well. 1386 01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,360 Excellent. Very good, very good. 1387 01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:59,600 What about you? You have to, you have to say 1388 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,760 what's your verdict? Yeah, I mean, I I've not seen it 1389 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:08,560 for 3540 years maybe. And yeah, I was expecting it to 1390 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:12,720 be baggy. I don't know why long and baggy. 1391 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,920 And it wasn't. It was very, very tight. 1392 01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:21,120 And Spike was better than I expected Spike to be. 1393 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,200 I mean, Spike's good in most things, but like you say, he's 1394 01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,320 usually just playing Spike, isn't he? 1395 01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,200 At least in this he's got stuff to do. 1396 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:34,880 And I I enjoyed all the performances with the possible 1397 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,120 exception of Michael York, who I I struggle with in anything 1398 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,360 really. I don't think I've seen any 1399 01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,160 anything with Michael York in that I've particularly rated him 1400 01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,800 in. He was fantastic as Beswick's 1401 01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,640 position. Let's see. 1402 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:55,680 I don't even like that. Very soon we'll be able to tell 1403 01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,200 you how he's doing in Logan's Run, because that's our next 1404 01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,280 step. That's our next one. 1405 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,920 Yeah. Oh my God, it's a York. 1406 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:02,320 It's a Yorkathon. A Yorkathon? 1407 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,080 Yeah, absolutely. Oh. 1408 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:05,400 Yorkfish. Double York. 1409 01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,400 Double York? No, I need to ask Tyler, talking 1410 01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,000 about Spike's performance in this, was there a period where 1411 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:17,800 he was more interested in in sort of taking on less kind of 1412 01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,760 madcap spike Milligan roles and just trying to do something a 1413 01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,920 bit more sort of serious? Is there any part of his career 1414 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,800 where he was doing that? Yeah, the reason I thought is I 1415 01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,720 know probably about a year prior to this. 1416 01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,640 He was originally cast in the The Amicus film Asylum. 1417 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,640 Oh, was he? Which, yeah, the role that 1418 01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,440 eventually was taken on by Geoffrey Bald on. 1419 01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:41,520 Oh my God, you can totally see. Milligan in that role, but it I 1420 01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,560 mean without giving away too much it would have given things 1421 01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,600 away I. Think, but was there any sort of 1422 01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,520 period where he was looking to sort of branch out a bit? 1423 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,960 Yeah, well, he he actually got a end of the 50s. 1424 01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,480 So as The Green Show was coming to an end, he signed a contract 1425 01:19:56,480 --> 01:20:00,200 with MGM to make to make a number of films. 1426 01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:05,960 Rally Massey, he made two films. I can think of where they were. 1427 01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,720 They were like comedies, but. He was, he was trying to act 1428 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:11,640 fairly straight. You know what I mean? 1429 01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,280 He wasn't doing the the Milligan. 1430 01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,680 You know that Milligan will in in any film appearance you see 1431 01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,120 him in. Generally he will be doing that 1432 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:24,040 thing where he's his eyebrows are up and down and he's he's 1433 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,960 clenching and unclenching. Just looking vacantly off 1434 01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,280 camera, yeah. And and and and, yeah, 1435 01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,480 absolutely. There's a film called Postman's 1436 01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:35,600 Knock in which he plays a character, a postman who, yeah, 1437 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:36,920 it's a fairly straight performance. 1438 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,720 It's a comedy, but it's a straight performance. 1439 01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,640 And I think he did want, I think, to his career to go in 1440 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,240 the same direction that Peter Sellers did around that time. 1441 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,440 But he's not the actor that Peter Sellers was so. 1442 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,560 No, no, I think that's 1st and he liked, he liked, I think he 1443 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,280 liked the discipline that well. He certainly liked the 1444 01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,400 discipline that Sellers had in terms of the acting side of 1445 01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:00,400 things. And Sellers also, he had the 1446 01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,200 looks to really be a leading man. 1447 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,680 And the charm. And the charm, yeah. 1448 01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:09,840 Whereas Spike yeah, well that you say that but I mean the 1449 01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:18,360 sellers in the 50s was quite hefty a poker if you look at 1450 01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,480 photos of Spike and Peter in the early 50s. 1451 01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:25,240 Spike is very handsome man, very handsome man, you know, before 1452 01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,440 he started to go grain, you know, the Spike that we know, if 1453 01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:32,560 you like, and Sellers around the early 50s was quite chubby and 1454 01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:37,280 he had this weird sort of sort of Sid James type hair, you 1455 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,440 know, that sort of weird. Oh, yes, he did, didn't he? 1456 01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:43,000 Yeah, which I think, I think is curly hair. 1457 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,680 It's is it curly hair that is sort of Brill creamed or 1458 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,680 something and it's got that weird sort of WAVY effect. 1459 01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,720 It's, I mean I know you mentioned Douglas Hood before. 1460 01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,880 It is like a young Douglas Hood that's sort of Mr. Whippy. 1461 01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,800 Kind of that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1462 01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,480 Yeah. It's quite Mulligan, sort of had 1463 01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:00,760 a bit of a James Cromwell look, sort of domain, yeah. 1464 01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,920 Come to bed, Constance, my small chicken and I. 1465 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,400 Oh, I'll. Do anything you ask if you 1466 01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,360 promise to take the letter. Oh, what do I know about 1467 01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,000 letters? Oh, my beautiful Constance. 1468 01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,480 I've been away from you 70 days and so many nights. 1469 01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:17,120 No, I'm serious. You think I'm not? 1470 01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,240 Has gone to London now. Oh, it must, because you say so. 1471 01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:24,480 Well, I don't wish to be trusted me, and I'll tell you for why. 1472 01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:26,520 Because that's so very suspicious. 1473 01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:36,360 Letter smacks up intrigue. Yes, intrigue and very much the 1474 01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:37,720 intrigues of your queen have done for. 1475 01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,680 You assaulted, terrified and me dragged to the Bastille, the 1476 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,400 Bastille. But I tell you, I don't wish to 1477 01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,080 be sent to the Bastille. Me, because it's got very deep 1478 01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,280 dungeons and terrible instruments of torture operated 1479 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,280 by very unsympathetic men, and they slip very important parts 1480 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:57,040 of people. But no, I mean, look, great 1481 01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,440 film, very enjoyable and I'm really looking forward to 1482 01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:03,880 watching The Four Musketeers with you guys hopefully next 1483 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,200 year, yeah. Yes. 1484 01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:07,080 Yeah, we'll get you on next year most definitely. 1485 01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:12,440 So we've we haven't really talked about it, but the premise 1486 01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:16,680 of still any good is that you sometimes with guests you go 1487 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,400 back and revisit films that you enjoyed when you were younger 1488 01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:23,120 and and to see whether they hold up. 1489 01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:24,560 That's the the premise, isn't it? 1490 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:26,920 Absolutely. That is it, yeah. 1491 01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,440 It doesn't necessarily have to be. 1492 01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:30,040 Some people think, oh, it's just going to be kids films. 1493 01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,760 But you know, when when we were young, we didn't just watch kids 1494 01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:34,160 films. We watched all manner of things, 1495 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,360 whatever was on TV and it's it's whatever stuck with us. 1496 01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,520 Whatever we we vaguely remember enjoying and we haven't seen for 1497 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,120 what's our Rule 15. Years. 15 years we've. 1498 01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:44,840 Been there, look every now and again, but yeah. 1499 01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:46,960 Yeah. And and, and as you can imagine, 1500 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,720 some, some of them turn out to be an absolute joy and some turn 1501 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,920 out to be an absolute disaster. Yeah, yeah. 1502 01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,920 And we talk. This episode has sort of been a 1503 01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,440 bit of a meandering chat. That's basically what we offer, 1504 01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,360 sometimes with a guest, sometimes without. 1505 01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:04,280 Yeah, I mean what have you got coming up on still any good? 1506 01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,200 You've said Logan's run, you've got any other, you've got 1507 01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:07,800 Christmas special planned or anything like that. 1508 01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:13,440 Yes, we are going to be looking at Eyes Wide Shut. 1509 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,520 Oh, which I've never seen but Robbie shows me, is a Christmas 1510 01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,080 film. It does sit during Christmas and 1511 01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:25,240 Christmas is referenced. Throughout the film, right, 1512 01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,080 Because I've got the Kubrick box set and I've watched them all. 1513 01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:33,280 Apart from that, because I just got the impression it's not very 1514 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:34,080 good at all. But is it? 1515 01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,920 Is it? Well, you don't want to show 1516 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,920 your hand here, Rob, but I suppose it must There must. 1517 01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:44,320 Be Well, I haven't done the rewatch right yet, but I I 1518 01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:45,640 enjoyed it. Yeah, I've seen it. 1519 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:50,560 I've seen it a few times. Not, not for at least 15 years, 1520 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,120 I'd say. But yeah, I'd say. 1521 01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,320 Challenging film. I think I can. 1522 01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,160 I can see why some people would have an allergic reaction to it, 1523 01:24:58,440 --> 01:25:02,160 because it's an unusual film. OK, because I've seen very, very 1524 01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:03,960 few Kubrick films. I know we've talked about this 1525 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,440 as well. Is I I I haven't seen Clockwork 1526 01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:08,120 Orange or 2001. Oh. 1527 01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:09,480 God a full. Metal jacket. 1528 01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,040 Have you seen Barry London? Pardon. 1529 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,400 Have you seen Barry London? No. 1530 01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:13,800 Oh fuck. I know. 1531 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,920 I'm I'm a I'm a film person and I I've absolutely no idea why. 1532 01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,520 It's my I've seen The Shining. I've seen Spartacus. 1533 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,280 I've seen Gardens of Stone that's probably about, oh, piles 1534 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:24,880 of glory. Sorry, not part of Goldenstone. 1535 01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,800 That's all of the stuff and that's probably about it. 1536 01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,000 So I'm going to find this very interesting. 1537 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,920 I've just realized we've got a Tom Cruise double bill because 1538 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,480 we've got a guest going on who's doing Legend. 1539 01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:34,800 Of course. Yeah. 1540 01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,120 So we've got a we've got a cruise, a thong, as well as a 1541 01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:37,720 Yorker thong. That's. 1542 01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,600 A Yorker Thong double York, double cruise. 1543 01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,520 As far as the only good goes, we, we do have other things 1544 01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,800 happening in very, very soon, I think within the next week or so 1545 01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,160 or next two weeks. Rob's partner's having a baby, 1546 01:25:51,480 --> 01:25:54,440 so we'll have a podcast maybe? Absolutely. 1547 01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:56,880 Well, that's why I wanted to squeeze you guys in before the 1548 01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,240 big day because obviously you will have your hands full. 1549 01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,760 Well, last time my partner had a baby, I I recorded an episode 1550 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,120 that evening. You did, Yeah. 1551 01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:09,560 We recorded Tango and Cash the day you became a father. 1552 01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:15,640 Not because I'm a terrible partner, Father. 1553 01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,840 It's because. It was Level 4 lockdown in New 1554 01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,000 Zealand, and I actually wasn't allowed in the hospital. 1555 01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,520 Oh, yeah. So yeah, nothing better to do. 1556 01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:25,040 Talked. About it. 1557 01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:32,720 An appalling bodyguard, it you mentioned Barry Linden, I think 1558 01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,200 Barry Linden would be a nice companion piece for this film. 1559 01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,840 Actually in some ways it's it's I agree the the the Barry Linden 1560 01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:47,400 is is very long but it's similar sort of period I guess. 1561 01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:50,240 And there is there is some humor running. 1562 01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,080 I mean you've got Leonard Rossiter in it for God's sake, 1563 01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,240 you know. Yeah yeah. 1564 01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,400 So I think you at some point Chris you must watch Barry 1565 01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:01,280 Lyndon. It's like a painting on film is. 1566 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:03,560 Is what I'd say. I I know I'd enjoy them, I know 1567 01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,080 I'd appreciate them. But I I think, especially with 1568 01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,000 Kubrick, I always find that there there'd be a lot of effort 1569 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,200 involved. And sometimes I just think I 1570 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:12,480 don't have the energy for that anymore. 1571 01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:13,360 Well. How would you know? 1572 01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,000 You haven't fucking watched it? Exactly, yeah. 1573 01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:18,360 Well, I will soon do. I'm going to watch Eyes Wide. 1574 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:19,960 Yeah, no. But you're right. 1575 01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,640 If you want to watch something unchallenging, watch, carry on 1576 01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,760 behind. But sometimes, Sometimes you do. 1577 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,280 Sometimes. I think carry behind is a real 1578 01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:38,800 challenge, but sometimes you want to be challenged. 1579 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,280 I don't know about you. I want to be challenged 1580 01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:42,560 sometimes. When it comes to Oh yeah, 1581 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,280 definitely. But sometimes I'm just tired. 1582 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:45,720 I know it. Happens a lot, and that's my 1583 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:46,840 age, That's the fact I've got you. 1584 01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,360 And sometimes you do just want to sit down and watch carry on 1585 01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,280 behind, don't you? I'm a bit like that with horror 1586 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:54,880 these days. I used to quite like a really 1587 01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:59,480 good, bleak, nasty horror film and every now and then I try and 1588 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,160 get myself set up to watch one I go. 1589 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,040 I think I'll just go for something a bit. 1590 01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,520 Do you know what I watched for the first time the other night? 1591 01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,280 I'd always been put off watching it because Mark Kermade goes on 1592 01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,800 about it all the bloody time. The Exorcist. 1593 01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,960 Yeah, and it it wasn't bad. Oh, I love that. 1594 01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,800 Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, I think what I think what 1595 01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,800 sours The Exorcist for a lot of people is they've seen the 1596 01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,400 French and Saunders sketch before seeing the actual film. 1597 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,880 And that's all you can think of, right? 1598 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:37,440 Well, I I haven't seen that sketch, but but I've seen, I've 1599 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:40,400 seen many parodies of The Exorcist. 1600 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:46,800 And what I couldn't get over was the fact that Max von Sydow, 1601 01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,280 who's who is The Exorcist. He's 44 years old, the actor, 1602 01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:53,640 but he's made-up to look about twice that age. 1603 01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:57,360 You know, the age of young Mr. Grace from IE being served, you 1604 01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:04,560 know. But anyway, anyway, listen, 1605 01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,040 chaps, I have. I have kept you long enough and 1606 01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:12,360 thank you so much for thanks. For having us on Tyler and I 1607 01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,440 will look forward to joining you at some point and and Robert you 1608 01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:22,840 know all the best with the, the, the incoming and for. 1609 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:28,120 The arrival of Baby d'artagnan and Chris. 1610 01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,680 Have you got anything coming up in your private life? 1611 01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:32,200 Not. At all. 1612 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,480 But nothing as special as Rob's Got's coming up. 1613 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:38,640 No, no, just just getting older and enjoying these chats. 1614 01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:39,680 I've absolutely loved it tonight. 1615 01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:40,840 It's been brilliant. Thank you. 1616 01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,280 Brilliant. All right, chaps. 1617 01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,920 Well, thank you again and we'll talk again soon.