1 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Hello and welcome to Green Pod. Know if you heard last week 2 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,000 show, you will have heard me speaking to Joe Morris about the 3 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,700 Phantom raspberry, blower of old London Town and we focused 4 00:00:55,700 --> 00:01:01,500 pretty much on discussing. The the to TV iterations of the 5 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:04,800 Phantom barge blower the the 1971, Ronnie Barker one-off, 6 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,200 30-minute play. And of course, the 1976 to 7 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,100 Ronnies serialization, and during the course of my research 8 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:16,000 prior to my conversation with Joe, I contacted Dirk maggs 9 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,200 because Dirk had been the director of a Stage production 10 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,600 of the Phantom rosberg, lower about six or seven years ago. 11 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000 And I said to her look you know, it is there anything you can 12 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,000 share with me, any sort of background information about the 13 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,400 staging of the play? Is that any sort of information, 14 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,800 anything you can give me and said, look he said, look at the 15 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,800 bucket. Do better than that. 16 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,200 Why don't I put you in contact with the guy who was behind it, 17 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:47,200 all Lee Moon lie, He is an actor, writer director and don't 18 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,200 put us in contact and very quickly. 19 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:52,400 Lee, and I had a conversation and it was only going to be 20 00:01:52,900 --> 00:01:59,100 maybe initially, 15 20 minute chat, and it actually, well, it 21 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:01,300 extended shall we say? And we had a really, really 22 00:02:01,900 --> 00:02:06,400 interesting conversation about how we put the show together, 23 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:10,199 all the research that he undertook in terms of how he got 24 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:13,300 the script together, how he sort of tweaked and changed and 25 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:16,200 adapted. It anyway, all that and more is 26 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,000 in the show, I hope you enjoy it. 27 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:22,700 I'm never know where I sit in the size of fandom with Spike, 28 00:02:23,300 --> 00:02:25,400 because then, you know thing, oh, yeah, I know this and I know 29 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,800 that. And then somebody else comes 30 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,700 along and blow anything. I don't know. 31 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:38,600 I just feel like I've invaded the, the cult done by the back 32 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,900 door and that's why I said to you on my email, you know, my 33 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:50,200 first in with Spike was the Q Series when I was at school and 34 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,300 of course, then that's when I found out about the goons and 35 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:59,300 I'd never really listened to the goons until much much later on. 36 00:03:00,500 --> 00:03:06,500 In fact, if I'm honest, I think it was when I audition for one 37 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:13,700 of the other stage plays and they wanted myself potentially 38 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,000 Really as an understudy to put into place by yeah. 39 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:26,900 And so I did, I did research there and a lot, long story 40 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:31,200 short, it was a, it was a big ask, massive because the 41 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,300 character that they had, you know, the spike character was in 42 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:37,800 bed but he's never off stage plus, they wanted me to 43 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:45,800 understudy Sellers as well. And A guy I knew at the time he 44 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,100 used to do Peter Sellers sort of Impressions and why View. 45 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:54,900 And and he was also asked about the auditions today, who was 46 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:57,600 that? That was guy called Clive 47 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,100 Greenwood. Okay? 48 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,600 But if you want somebody who's really done loads of seller 49 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,600 stuff David he was in Phantom raspberry blower. 50 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:07,800 I mean, he's played salad on stage. 51 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:13,600 I mean, he knows tons and has met some of sellers found. 52 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,800 So he won't be says sorry what was his name, because you broke 53 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,700 up David Boyle so he was awesome. 54 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,700 So how did the whole idea of staging the Phantom head is 55 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:27,100 going to say the Phantom hitch? I always say the Phantom head. 56 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:30,600 Shaver yes. Yes of course yes I had it 57 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,500 again. How did the idea of the Stage 58 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:36,000 production of phantom raspberry blow come about? 59 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:43,900 Okay, now this is an idea that I have had in my head for a A long 60 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:46,200 time. So we put it on in 2015 and I 61 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:53,200 have to take it was pretty quick from talking to David and then 62 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:59,300 me sitting and watching and writing down because there's no 63 00:04:59,300 --> 00:05:04,000 script to be had unless you you buying one on auction. 64 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:07,500 Yeah, I can get into that later because there's several versions 65 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,600 and so I always wanted to do it. I always wanted to do it and I 66 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:21,800 Approach Norma, probably. So 2015, we did the actual show. 67 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:28,500 I'd approach normal, I think, Oh 2008 until you 2008. 68 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:33,500 That's what else and nothing really came of. 69 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:44,000 It quite rightly she was very protective of spikes work and it 70 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,900 just I thought that's a shame. It's just I think I got she had 71 00:05:47,900 --> 00:05:51,800 a gatekeeper so it showed a brilliant system of time. 72 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,600 It was just spending things often. 73 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,900 Yeah, Yeah, I mean, nobody. So, quite quite right. 74 00:05:56,900 --> 00:06:02,800 I can understand that. And then I met David and we were 75 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:10,200 chatting and that's, we were just talking about the goons and 76 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,100 I said to him about the audition that I had had, and it how it 77 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:18,800 was quite close to me getting the understudy and in the, you 78 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,000 know, we were trying to do something with it and then 79 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,400 because I knew he was in. In Cellars. 80 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,400 I said, oh yeah, you know, all we need to seek them and we 81 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,700 could, we could probably put something on and he knew 82 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:34,900 somebody the guy can't remember the guys name, but it he wasn't 83 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:37,300 in the final production things you could make it. 84 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:44,600 So I said, you know, I've always wanted to do the Phantom 85 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,400 Roseberry blow. And I said, but I don't how much 86 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,000 of it is Spike and I don't know how much of it is Ronnie Barker 87 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,200 and it was always a bit of an unknown quantity about that and 88 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,900 people knew that it was written by Spike, but they also knew 89 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:04,000 about Barbara. I found out loads of info which 90 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,800 I can I can talk to you later because there's a lot and so 91 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,700 David said, well, I know producer and ice and he's a he's 92 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:18,600 a goon span and I went. Wow, okay, right, whoa. 93 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,000 Yeah. Ask one thing led to another and 94 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:30,200 October 2015, we did three nights at the Victoria Theater 95 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:37,400 and it went down a storm and that my dad, who's not a theater 96 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,300 goer. So that's the best thing I've 97 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:41,800 ever. I see it was very gentle song 98 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,600 but he absolutely loved it. And he goes meet one of our 99 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:50,600 Phantoms John chalice who he's a huge fan of so that made my dad 100 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,200 today. So that was lovely to get that. 101 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,000 So that's how that it was it was a long time coming as these 102 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,900 things are, and then just meeting Like-minded people that 103 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:03,000 we have a good night's do that. I know this. 104 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:06,300 So that's how that that's how that happened. 105 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:23,300 Why bells ring in the duchess? That's the no no, no I'm 106 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:26,000 inspector you've only got these to choose from. 107 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,500 It's all very difficult difficult. 108 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:38,900 They all look so much. But if I could hear the noise 109 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:41,900 again, so that the noise test number one. 110 00:08:46,800 --> 00:09:11,700 Number two, number three. As a teenager, you must have 111 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:17,600 seen The Two Ronnies on it. Did you see the 1971, six days 112 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,600 with Bart? Yes, you did. 113 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:22,200 I did. And that was strange. 114 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:28,300 Because while watching The Two Ronnies, I thought oh he's been 115 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:36,300 on the form right and I couldn't work out why how come I'd seen 116 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:40,500 it? But yes I had I had seen the and 117 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:45,700 in fact in 2008 roundabout there that I bought the six dates of 118 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:50,000 Barker to have a look at it. So I got that first because 119 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,000 obviously then the The Two Ronnies DVD came out later. 120 00:09:55,100 --> 00:10:05,400 And so what I, what I I did, is I merged bits of the script and 121 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,000 I mean Spike change some names. I think Ronnie change some names 122 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,200 as well. And then I started to do a wee 123 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:18,600 bit of research and I was lucky enough to go down at all house. 124 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:25,500 Norma allowed me to see a very early draft of the Phantom Ranch 125 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:30,900 biegler. Set for television, a one-off 126 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:38,100 special for goons reunions. Yeah yeah yeah and because 127 00:10:38,100 --> 00:10:43,100 sellers went off to Hollywood then that's how it all collapsed 128 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,400 and it was that's how Barca Founders you know sitting on the 129 00:10:47,408 --> 00:10:51,200 shelf and why not can I ask you about that? 130 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,700 But yeah I mean you may not know but that's what intrigues me 131 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:58,400 because I There's very little other than what you've said 132 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,300 there. In terms of it was written for 133 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:04,400 the goons as a sort of a reunions one-off show and 134 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,500 sellers had kept filming commitments so it never 135 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:08,700 happened. That's, that's all I can find 136 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:09,500 about that. Is there? 137 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:12,900 Did you, is there anything more? Was it, was it, for example. 138 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,700 Do you know if it was planned as the first of a number, you know, 139 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:21,000 if it was successful, did Spike any intention of writing others, 140 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,500 or is there anything that you found out from what I from what 141 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:27,700 I gather? Heard from that little Snippets. 142 00:11:27,700 --> 00:11:32,100 That Norma said, I think it was just a one-off sellers, was 143 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:44,600 missing the camaraderie, and it was from that, that Spike You 144 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,600 may have already had the idea to do this, but it was from that 145 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:51,200 spy Bird, right? Okay. 146 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:55,200 And let's get the band back together for a one-off because 147 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,300 it was, I don't think sellers if I remember correctly. 148 00:11:58,300 --> 00:12:01,400 Now, I don't think sellers was having a particularly brilliant 149 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,400 time. Well, yeah, reasons. 150 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,000 If Spike wrote this around about late 60s, I'm guessing 60 151 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,700 thinking I think it was. Yeah, I think it was 68. 69. 152 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:19,000 Yeah, so it was around that time that sellers started appearing 153 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,500 in a chain of flops. You know, the film's just 154 00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:23,800 weren't doing anything most of them. 155 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,200 Anyway. Yes. 156 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,400 And also he was in a pretty Loveless marriage with Miranda 157 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,600 Quarry. That was a bit of a disaster. 158 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,300 Yeah and I know that at that time he was he was being very 159 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:43,200 introspective and and nostalgic I guess and also in 68 they Got 160 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,400 back together to do that Thames TV, Tales of men's shirts show 161 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:49,900 and if you ever saw that which your John Cleese as the 162 00:12:49,908 --> 00:12:52,500 announcer. Yeah, I mean you can get snippet 163 00:12:52,500 --> 00:12:55,700 of it and it's on YouTube black and white. 164 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:58,300 Yes. Yeah, yeah. 165 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,400 So possibly around this time, you know, Salazar has done that 166 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,500 with Harry inspired. That he's, he's feeling a little 167 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:08,200 bit vulnerable or that low or whatever. 168 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,900 And he's thinking, actually, you know what, I'd love to like you 169 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:12,700 say, get the band back together and spikes. 170 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,300 Got the script, we writes the script and do you know any of 171 00:13:16,308 --> 00:13:19,000 the did normal say was it with we're going to be playing new 172 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,200 characters or we're going to be repressing goon show characters 173 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,500 at all. It was all new I've seen. 174 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:27,300 I've seen the one of the original scripts. 175 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:32,200 Yeah and there's no goon no goon characters at all. 176 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:34,900 Okay. And I've seen a couple of pages 177 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:42,700 of the television but I mean there are so many versions of 178 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:44,800 Phantom raspberry blowing, you wouldn't believe. 179 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:51,200 I mean, just why is that? I think in all honesty, there's 180 00:13:52,300 --> 00:13:59,100 a draft that Spike wrote just as something, you know, it's just 181 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:02,300 coming out of his fingers and he's just writing it. 182 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,000 Yeah. So, excuse me, I've seen bits of 183 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:11,700 a handwritten and there have been several that have been up 184 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:14,400 for auction. I even contacted the auction 185 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,600 house to ask because it went for something like a hundred and 186 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,300 something pounds. Unbelievable. 187 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,600 Oh my God, missed it by about a year and a half. 188 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:27,000 Yeah. Because I want you to look in 189 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,300 order to use as much info as possible in it, so it was all 190 00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:37,200 new characters. And then I think once there was 191 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:44,200 the chat with sellers, that's when it became more of a 192 00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:50,500 solidified Special by, they were going to get one of them the 193 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:54,200 names escaping at the moment. Although Peter eaten was, it's 194 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,400 easy to say. Yeah, that's it. 195 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:04,100 So it was all, it was all going ahead and then Sellers comes, 196 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:06,500 mr. Hollywood, so it was new 197 00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:07,700 characters. Wow. 198 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,700 See you say that. But I mean, he obviously made 199 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:16,700 Hollywood films before this period but maybe I think again 200 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:20,100 if only we knew that the exact dates here but he was making 201 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:23,900 films around this period. Like there's a girl in My Soup. 202 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,800 Yes which which did okay which did pretty well at the box 203 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,800 office so maybe he's maybe he was had commitments for to do 204 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,400 that and what? Was the Pink Panther. 205 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,600 Not the not, the not, the first one. 206 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,100 I'll when they attack the return of. 207 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,800 That was 75. That was that was well after. 208 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,100 Yeah. So so I know the story is like 209 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:49,100 you're saying, I'm sure it's true that he had filming 210 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:52,400 commitments but he wasn't making very good films around this 211 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,700 time. Yeah. 212 00:15:54,900 --> 00:16:01,200 And I think it's funny but that's there's a quote, where 213 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,300 have I seen that? Quote, there's a quote, where 214 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:07,600 Milligan Sedum sellers buggered off to Hollywood. 215 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:13,200 So that put a cap on that. Yeah, now I don't know whether 216 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,300 that's one of the spikes quotes or whether it's from The Barker 217 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:21,500 book, I'm not sure it's, you know, it's funny I read so much 218 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:25,400 and if it all goes in and then and then you think, what is it, 219 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,200 honey? You know, I'm struggling to to 220 00:16:27,208 --> 00:16:29,800 remember, what? Don't worry seat in it. 221 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,100 I've just found actually because I've got a I've got a number of 222 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:40,200 documents that I Unearthed shall we say, which pertain to the 223 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,400 Phantom raspberry blower. And there's a there's a 224 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,900 reproduction of the handwritten script or page of the 225 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:54,000 handwritten script That Spike did and it's subtitled. 226 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,000 The extraordinary foul and noisome iconoclast of old, 227 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,500 London Town. That's right. 228 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:03,700 Yeah, and it says here, a one-hour colored TV. 229 00:17:03,700 --> 00:17:06,000 Special starring. Peter Sellers as Inspector 230 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,200 Alexander of Scotland Yard here in the Victorian mystery. 231 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,500 Melodrama the Phantom raspberry blower or Fleet Street or the 232 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:16,200 extraordinary found noisome and naughty iconoclast of old. 233 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,900 London Town. That's yeah. 234 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:20,099 Yeah. And it goes on to say Milligan 235 00:17:20,099 --> 00:17:22,500 also I wrote that he would appear as the Phantom and that 236 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:26,900 seek Him would appear as Bowles. Yeah, which obviously those 237 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:32,200 characters appear in six dates of Barker and The Two Ronnies. 238 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:39,400 Yeah, and, and inspector Alexander that that, yeah, that 239 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:45,900 name carried over until The Two Ronnies And then excuse me. 240 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:48,000 The name is changed. I throw yes cool. 241 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,600 Just for a gag just for 11 gang on that. 242 00:17:54,900 --> 00:18:00,000 But yeah it's and it's either that or another document that 243 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,800 I've seen. That says ending to yet be 244 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,000 written or defined because they hadn't got an ending for it. 245 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,500 So don't know if it's on that. Document know is that that's all 246 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:15,100 that there is? The goons involvement or 247 00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:17,900 potential involvement? Yeah. 248 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,600 So it's a bit of a been you filled in a lot there, though. 249 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,800 I mean it's, that's, that's really interesting and there 250 00:18:22,808 --> 00:18:25,100 would have been fascinating if it had gone ahead. 251 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,900 Oh, yeah. And you think, because 252 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:32,200 obviously, so they work together in 68 for the Thames TV show and 253 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,500 then we don't see them again together until 72 the last inch 254 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:42,000 of all yeah, which, which ignites mild goon Mania, and it 255 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,500 means that the goons are bankable. 256 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:46,300 Again and is a Resurgence of interest and things like the 257 00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:50,000 Goon show scripts, books can come out and help ease that 258 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,200 coming out from the BBC and they start repeating them more and 259 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:57,200 and and that led to Parkinson beats the goons and a lot more 260 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,700 photo opportunities with some basic Milligan. 261 00:18:59,900 --> 00:19:04,900 But I wonder if for argument's sake 1969 1970, the three of 262 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:08,600 them had got together and and filmed a half-hour TV special 263 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,600 for Christmas or something of the Phantom raspberry blower 264 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:16,600 whether you Yes, that might have been successful and triggered a 265 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,200 series almost like The Ripping Yarns series. 266 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:23,400 Tell ya he's you know, not not a not a continuing narrative about 267 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,400 the Phantom burglar. That we do individual half our 268 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,100 stories about some character from history or whatever. 269 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:30,700 It may be starring three of them. 270 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:35,600 Yeah, I mean it's interesting to suppose, isn't it? 271 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:38,000 You know it's almost like testing the water. 272 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:43,500 Hmm, I'm a potential series and you know, I think I think it 273 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,500 Would have worked. I think it would work well 274 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:49,000 because they would have done something different. 275 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,700 Interesting me. They I love the fact that says 276 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:57,000 Made For Color. That's the other odd thing is 277 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,200 you've got the our version yeah you've got the 30 minutes 278 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:08,300 version which would Barker did. Yeah then you've got the and I 279 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:12,600 did I think it's probably about 70 minutes. 280 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,700 I can't remember. It's it's do Runs The Two 281 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:21,000 Ronnies in, its entirety the serial, it runs to about an hour 282 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,800 and Five minutes something like, all right. 283 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:23,900 Sit, right? Yeah. 284 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:31,400 It's a good drinking with memory there but interestingly there's 285 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,900 swades of that, that is written by Barker. 286 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:45,000 And there are also bits in it that don't make the half hour, 287 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,500 but is Spike because of, you know, looking at one of the 288 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:52,200 scripts I got. All right, that's that's it. um, 289 00:20:52,700 --> 00:21:00,400 so it's It's very interesting that not only did Spike, right 290 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:06,600 several versions of it but there are several versions that were 291 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,900 shown on the television that could have been on the 292 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:15,500 television and then of course, when I did my stage adaptation, 293 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:18,300 I then had to think about, right? 294 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:23,600 That's that's what I want that's going to work and I wrote new 295 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:29,400 material. For it, when we did it on stage 296 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:32,200 and we can talk about this in more detail, you know another 297 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,200 time. But when we didn't stage it was 298 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:42,700 set like a radio show. Yeah, and what I've done now is 299 00:21:42,700 --> 00:21:47,900 now I've removed that radio show and and it's it's become 300 00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:52,400 something else. Should it go on again to make it 301 00:21:52,400 --> 00:22:00,900 more like, A, if Spike was doing it by ra Q television theater. 302 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,000 Oh, okay. Yeah. 303 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,000 I know. I've I what I've done in that 304 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,900 version is I have a lot of the market stuffers. 305 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,900 In fact, if I'm honest all of the market stuff is gone and 306 00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:20,000 I've I decided to invent something that Dirk said 307 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,000 actually we were chatting at the time and he was talking about 308 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,600 source. Look at Spike and and we were 309 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,800 chatting about spiking his works and actually I thought, you know 310 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,700 what, I'm going to go back to what I knew the spike visually 311 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,000 and look at the cute stuff. How did he use props? 312 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,900 What odd props did you use? So that becomes because with the 313 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:51,400 obviously with goons so a lot of sound effects that are the sound 314 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,000 is another character. I always saw that as issue Got 315 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,500 the sound effects. And, you know, there's a that 316 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:01,300 classic story that Spike Tails about it. 317 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,500 He is one of his station direction to sounds like, you 318 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:09,200 know, such as characters being hit over the head with a sock 319 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,700 full of custard. Yeah, it doesn't, you know, 320 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:15,000 doesn't sound like it, so you get a soft look. 321 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,600 I said, so he was very much writing the stage movements, a 322 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,700 stage sound effects, rather as another character in its own 323 00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:27,400 right. And That's the beauty of the 324 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,600 goons is that my goodness meeting push that and so what I 325 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,800 did I thought right Q? Okay if he's not as a radio 326 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,800 let's make it visual. What did Spike do with this 327 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,100 visuals? And so I went back to the Q 328 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:46,700 Series as I say, took out the Barker stuff. 329 00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:54,400 And what I also did I nicked spikes gags from other material? 330 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,100 To put into the Phantom rotten world. 331 00:23:57,700 --> 00:24:02,400 So there are things in there that, you know, it's because 332 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,400 Spike also used to repeat sir gags because they were popular, 333 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,300 you know, oh, that's all the time. 334 00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:10,000 Yeah, the totally if they were bombing. 335 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,700 So that's what I did. So, I really soak myself into it 336 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:19,000 to think, okay? If if it could go on stage You 337 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,300 know, and I'm not obviously I'm not, I'm not trying to pick 338 00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:25,300 myself up at all on this but I did think what would spike do 339 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,600 can I do that? You know how how can we get his 340 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,100 his uniqueness visually on stage because he did move on he did 341 00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:40,300 move on to be more Visual and you know pythons usually 342 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:44,100 influence not only by its by the goons but also by the q-series 343 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:47,800 you know so I suppose that's where it came from. 344 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,700 Me. Because I seen that the Q Series 345 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:56,600 and that's the sort of Mayhem that I wanted. 346 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,300 Hello. My name is Alan, clear. 347 00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:37,300 I had a lovely joke today. Forgotten it only when I think 348 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:40,000 of the keys series and I'm sure you'll like me. 349 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,300 You've got the complete Q on TV. I love you. 350 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,600 Yeah. Yeah. 351 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:47,800 It's great. Doesn't do to binge watch it 352 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,300 though. I find because you have to watch 353 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:51,300 it sparingly. Yeah. 354 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,000 Yeah, but when I think of the q-series, I think of individual 355 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,100 sketches or I think outsized fake noses, yes and tags on 356 00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:03,200 everything hanging off. Well, actually it's quite a 357 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,200 really interesting you say that. And then, of course there's 358 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,600 sticky where you cut yourself shaving and he would stick. 359 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,800 Yeah. Blob of. 360 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:18,800 Now, the, I don't know if, you know, but the tanks are Costume 361 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,800 tag tags. So what happened was that? 362 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,100 The BBC would put a tag on the costume and it will say spike 363 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,400 for seen three and they would put them on. 364 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,600 Those are the tanks that the costume people were put on. 365 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,000 So when they went to grab their costumes, they knew whose coat 366 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,400 it was and and that just became an in-joke for that. and it's 367 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:55,200 that sort of Creativity. And and Madness. 368 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,600 That is brilliant. You notice it. 369 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,500 Have you seen them? If you watch the great 370 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:02,500 McGonagall, the film he did and somebody for. 371 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,500 Yes, I have. Oh, okay. 372 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:14,200 I'll move on. Yes. 373 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,600 Yeah, yeah. I could only have to say, I 374 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,800 could yes. I laugh at certain B but I could 375 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:28,900 only watch watch it from. Sidestepping almost going. 376 00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:30,900 Okay, yeah, I can see what's going on here. 377 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,600 Can I don't know. Probably when I watched it the 378 00:27:34,608 --> 00:27:36,700 time perhaps it wasn't the right. 379 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:41,400 I wasn't in the right mood. Yeah, I know I just wondered one 380 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,800 of my favorites. I'm a more fan of bed sitting 381 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,000 room. Oh oh yes yes. 382 00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:48,300 Brilliant. The reason, the reason I mention 383 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:53,200 it because it's filmed at all of its film that inside, Wilton's 384 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,800 musical. Yes. 385 00:27:55,500 --> 00:28:00,200 And it's obviously about Out a fictional life of the poet 386 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:02,000 McGonagall. Yeah. 387 00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:04,700 With as you say with Peter Sellers as Queen Victoria Queen 388 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,000 Victoria becoming a recurring Motif with Milligan. 389 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:09,600 Yeah. Yeah. 390 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,600 Especially in the Phantom broswer blow. 391 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,700 Yeah, I don't wondering. I'm just, I'm just, it was it 392 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,800 just occurred to me while I was doing research for this maybe 393 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,800 instead of McGonigal. If you tried to do a film 394 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,800 full-length film of the Phantom Ranch blower again from 395 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,600 Wilton's. Whether it, whether it could 396 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:30,400 Could be done and whether it would have held together better. 397 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:34,300 Yeah. And you see, interestingly, I 398 00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:38,500 was talking to Norma via email and we went to go see a show at 399 00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:45,600 Wilton's and I didn't realize that Spike was one of the people 400 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,700 in the 60s who campaign to keep it. 401 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,100 Yeah, from being knocked down. So, That was that was strange 402 00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:56,500 because as soon as I walked in and went, oh my God, this would 403 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,600 be brilliant for the phantom world, revolve around the town 404 00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:03,200 without knowing all that, so it's odd all them. 405 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,700 It was a spike kept kept haunting me almost with, with 406 00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:11,100 certain things. One of the first times I wrote 407 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:15,000 to Norma funny enough. I looked at from a television 408 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,700 from the television, could the television was on in the 409 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:23,100 background and I got CB, These on because my daughter was very 410 00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:27,500 young at the time and and she was blue to it and it was spiked 411 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:32,000 Millie guns voice. Narrating a children's story and 412 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,700 I thought this is odd. It keeps popping on pink. 413 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:41,800 Keep, you know, it was it was, it was constant, but I found out 414 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,600 and now it this may have been Norm of the told me this but 415 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:51,900 Spike. Had a Fascination about the 416 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:55,700 assassination attempts on Queen Victoria's life. 417 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,900 Okay. Yeah, that's where this whole 418 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,900 Queen Victoria thing keeps cropping up on because obviously 419 00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:11,200 in Phantom raspberry blower, a lot of the pot pivots around 420 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,700 them stopping him from getting access to the queen and the are 421 00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:17,800 doing doing harm to her. And Mcgonagall's great 422 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,300 McGonagall. Forget the name of the Assassin. 423 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:25,700 The real life assassin is played by John Bluto, who attempts to 424 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,900 assassinate the queen and McGonagall in the film foils his 425 00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:30,300 attempt. Yeah. 426 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:33,600 So that's interesting. That's nice little sort of cross 427 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,500 over there. So like you say Milligan's got 428 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:39,100 this interest in attempts on the life of the queen. 429 00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,600 Yeah and she said there were several attempts on her life so 430 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,200 it was quite interesting. You get that little section in 431 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,800 in Phantom last week. Were Queen Victoria's reporting 432 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,600 for Duty Home. Secretary. 433 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,300 Therefore we have found it necessary to take certain steps 434 00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:28,600 here. I beat his Prophecies of now. 435 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:34,100 Your duty is clear. You have all been chosen as your 436 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:36,600 general. Facial resemblance to her 437 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:46,100 majesty. Given the specific duties to 438 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:50,700 perform one of you will take up residence in Buckingham area. 439 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,700 Another will drive in an open land. 440 00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:58,400 I'll through Hyde Park, will give us Soiree. 441 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,200 It's James is very often. So in this way, we hope to decoy 442 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,300 the miscreant in the being overconfident. 443 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,000 Where will I buy? Just you? 444 00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:13,100 Lee Pace, you will be playing the lead in Charizard 445 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:17,900 hippodrome. A common misconception, shall we 446 00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:21,800 say? Is and it's quite clear watching 447 00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:28,300 the six dates with Barca episode and then watching in full The 448 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:34,500 Two Ronnies serial version, it's quite clear that on the six days 449 00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:37,500 of barker episode. David Jason is blowing 450 00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:39,500 raspberries because he gets a credit at the end. 451 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,800 Yeah and likewise in the The Two Ronnies it's Spike because you 452 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,000 can also either he gets a credit and also you can clearly hear 453 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,400 him grunting and groaning, a lot of the time Prior to actually 454 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,500 blowing a raspberry. But but for a while and there 455 00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,500 was no, remember there would like newspaper reports when 456 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:00,800 Judge David. Jason's water biography came out 457 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,700 about 10 years ago where he was claiming that he'd blow in the 458 00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:08,400 raspberries in The Two Ronnies. When clearly he hadn't I think 459 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,700 it must just must have just been he got mixed up really? 460 00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:14,500 I think that's probably the case. 461 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:20,100 Yeah because I was always under the impression it it was Spike 462 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:25,100 for The Two Ronnies and then it got skewed because of that, and 463 00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:30,800 of course, and then maybe people listening to you, you know, your 464 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,700 podcast who had forgotten or didn't know that there was a 465 00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,800 previous version of an tomorrow as well. 466 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,600 And I think that's the same with the general public true and 467 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,600 we're through the Press. So I think that's where you 468 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,600 start building the myths upon that. 469 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,500 Yes, yes. And and it was always it was 470 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:58,200 always my intention. Should this pan out to be bigger 471 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,200 than that. This day's play that indeed we 472 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:07,500 do get Spike doing raspberries, not all of them because some of 473 00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:11,100 them would have to be live but especially towards the end 474 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,199 because I think I just realized I was going to say we're going 475 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,600 to summon him from the dead, you? 476 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,100 Well, the possibly possibly get my get my Go Ben team on the 477 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:24,400 job, that's it. But yet we have been nice to 478 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,500 lift a raspberry for the for the one at the end or something. 479 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:30,699 You know. Just to give to give them a 480 00:34:30,707 --> 00:34:31,800 credit. Yeah. 481 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,100 Absolutely. Absolutely. 482 00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:36,199 So when you said when you came to writing the script putting 483 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:42,400 the script together for the 2015 version and you said you based 484 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,300 at a guess on the six dates with Barca script and not The Two 485 00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:50,300 Ronnies know what What I, what I did. 486 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:58,200 So first of all, I by that time that I had that the DVD and the 487 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,600 two wrongs came out. I'd also got the six days. 488 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:14,100 So I sat and paused and wrote and then paused the The Two 489 00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,300 Ronnies version, right? I see. 490 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,100 Okay. Then I went to the six dates and 491 00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:24,800 I sat down and had it on and went over. 492 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,500 So I was looking at the script that I've written to see what 493 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,400 was different. What was better? 494 00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:37,200 What worked And what's, what was my favorite names? 495 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,800 Were different as well. And sort of I thought, right? 496 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,300 Okay. And that worked better because a 497 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,100 the Beats for that that's that's quicker. 498 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:54,400 So that's and then also what was added later was? 499 00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:02,200 Because I looked up one of the scripts at Norma hand, I then 500 00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:07,500 took some photos. Of the things that I thought 501 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,600 worked really well and thought, right? 502 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:16,300 Well, I can then type those out and in certain and in fact, I'd 503 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,900 through time wise, I, there was something I didn't, but then 504 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:25,900 revisiting it for the different version than I have. 505 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:31,500 And that meant that I pushed out the Barker stuff. 506 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,200 And I got to a point, a mixture on the email, I knew Choose, 507 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:41,100 which just because I'd seen some of the documents of spikes. 508 00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:47,200 I'd also just see myself in it so much that I could hear it. 509 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:51,600 And I could they were gumrah goon gangster that we used 510 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,200 again. And I thought right. 511 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,900 Okay, yeah. Got that. 512 00:36:55,900 --> 00:37:00,700 That's so. And then I stitched together 513 00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:10,600 some scenes and also flip Some scenes over for an interval just 514 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,400 just to make it so that we got a through a dramatic point. 515 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:20,900 And then so it's the the iteration I've got now is Spike 516 00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:25,900 plus spikes, you know, Source material from elsewhere, plus my 517 00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:33,400 stitching together and and having more of a narrative and 518 00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:39,500 An end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 519 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,500 I know you say you can tell the spike lines because for example 520 00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:46,100 we must act fast. I'm acting as fast as I can. 521 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:47,900 Sir. That is a is that? 522 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,600 That is an obvious sparkline. Yeah. 523 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,200 Whereas when it comes to try and identify lines that bark and 524 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,300 they have written that's not quite as straightforward. 525 00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:58,600 Really? Yeah. 526 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:06,000 And and the whole the whole scene with The Man In Chains 527 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,600 when they go into the shop, it's all right, dick, they've gone. 528 00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:14,200 If you don't. Okay. 529 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,800 Barker and that's to, I get it it he needs to fill out the 530 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,100 serious, you know, the six episodes of whatever many 531 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:46,700 episodes it was a during that run. 532 00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:48,600 The eighth episode blimey. Yeah. 533 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,400 Yeah. So I get it. 534 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,300 I understand that you know, and there are gangs in there that I 535 00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:56,700 guess. Yeah. 536 00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:02,700 I recognize that. That's that's Ronnie Barker, bad 537 00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:05,300 breath. What makes you think you got bad 538 00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:11,100 breath? People tell me why don't you 539 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:14,500 believe them? I tell you what. 540 00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:16,600 You've got to do. You've got to take a teaspoon 541 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,000 full of horse. Manure every morning quirino, 542 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:29,900 wouldn't turn it down a bit. I guess there were a few in the 543 00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:33,200 world that many thinking about it, but there's certainly a few 544 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:40,400 scenes or images or stereotypes employed in both versions, 50 545 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,000 versions that you probably needed to ditch, like the black 546 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,000 face that we get with the lady Berkeley hunt. 547 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,500 Yes, that's right. Yeah, when their hair turns 548 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:53,500 White and her face turns black? Yeah, yeah. 549 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,400 Did youdid, you discreetly. Remove those. 550 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,600 Or what did you do with those? Aye, aye, as they say adapted 551 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,300 them for a modern audience. Mmm. 552 00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:06,300 So, there is still a change. There is still a change in 553 00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:08,000 there. But no, there's, there's no 554 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,200 black face and interestingly, you say, there's a gag right at 555 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,400 the beginning. And it's a, what, what did he 556 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,600 look like? It was dark. 557 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:28,000 So we had a dark face and I thought, okay, right. 558 00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:31,900 But then revisiting it. I thought, hang on, hang on a 559 00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:36,900 minute. If it said correctly, I I can't 560 00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:43,100 see that as as effect. I as offensive as as the black 561 00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:44,600 face. Oh no, no, no. 562 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,900 And, and then, so, yes. There there were some things 563 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:54,400 that went now be having a bit of Jewish Heritage myself. 564 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,000 I don't mind Benjamin Disraeli, but I don't. 565 00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:01,000 Speak for everybody. I know it's different now, I've 566 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,300 got it, I've got the gag said by the judge because strangely 567 00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:11,900 enough in one of the the non transmitted versions there is a 568 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:15,100 judge in it. So there's more of a court thing 569 00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:19,900 rather than the House of Lords. So all the House of Commons. 570 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,300 So there were things that I could see that he'd already 571 00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:26,700 done. That are then being changed and 572 00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:28,100 I thought, you know what? That was a good idea. 573 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:32,800 So I've put that back if you see what I mean, it's a real. 574 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,300 It's a real. You've lifted bits from here and 575 00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:39,700 bits from there and added B. And other bits from q and 576 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,900 written stuff from of your own. And it's like a patchwork quilt. 577 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:49,200 It is. But it's a, it's a like quilt 578 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,100 because I was the trouble it. And I mean, oh that's the reason 579 00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:58,300 why a lot spikes material is enormous because people do find 580 00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:04,400 it offensive. Now, you know, with either using 581 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:11,200 Blackface or certain sexual images that people don't want on 582 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:16,100 their televisions anymore. And and I I think it's a shame 583 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:24,000 that because those are peppered with in certain programs of 584 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,000 spikes that the whole of his Cannon or the whole of a series, 585 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,800 doesn't, you know? It, they're just go, right. 586 00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:34,800 No Spike. So, what I wanted to do was Much 587 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,600 have will let grab all the best of Spike and bring it into a 588 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,600 show? That is funny, but we get more 589 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,400 laughs and they're more spikes laughs and I'll stitch them 590 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,100 together and make that more cohesive because some people 591 00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:53,500 just, you know, oh no, he's too too outrageous for me, you know 592 00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:56,200 just just by the sheer jumping from one thing to another 593 00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:58,200 personally, I love it. How'd you get out of that and 594 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,200 you just get out of it? Yes, you know just walk through 595 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,100 another door. That's that that is is great for 596 00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:09,800 me and in fact that was good to to get out of certain 597 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,600 situations. You know the scenes finished, I 598 00:43:11,607 --> 00:43:14,700 just go over just a bomb goes off from there in the graveyard. 599 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,500 That's it. That's how we get to that soon. 600 00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:20,500 You know it. It's it was it was a joy to do 601 00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:23,700 that. So I just wanted it to be a 602 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:33,800 brilliant celebration of all the Milligan ISM that there is and 603 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,700 just to get people going the best of million of his time. 604 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,800 Yeah. The best of the best of Milligan 605 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,600 is is Sublime and Untouchable. And yes. 606 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,800 Yeah, let's really but yeah, there's a lot that you have to 607 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,600 Wade through to get to that. The game should not so much, the 608 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,200 Goon show ugly is, and I guess that's because they had the 609 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,200 constraints of the times we had that they had that they had to 610 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,900 abide by that, the Goon. And also, you know, you've got 611 00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:03,200 such fantastic performers, working with Spike on that. 612 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,800 But a lot of spikes, solo stuff and later material. 613 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,800 Yeah, did have some content that was dubious at best shall we 614 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,100 say? Yeah but yeah that's a bit but a 615 00:44:15,107 --> 00:44:17,300 lot of a lot of committee. Look at look a lot of money. 616 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,300 Pythons Flying Circus. A lot of that every other week 617 00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,600 they were talking about proves I'm not years. 618 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,500 Why? Semantics just want to ask you. 619 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,700 Yeah we must we must mention Dirk. 620 00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:31,100 Maggs. Oh yeah, yeah. 621 00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:32,800 Yeah. What did he bring to the party 622 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,100 in terms of no guidance and whatnot. 623 00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:40,300 A lot and stability now. Interesting. 624 00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:43,600 And this will probably make a different pocket. 625 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,300 There was a lot going on as as there always is with 626 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:53,100 Productions. So it wasn't sailing smoothly 627 00:44:53,600 --> 00:45:01,600 before the the actual opening night and we originally our 628 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,300 original director died. I don't know Norma. 629 00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:07,500 Said, right? Okay. 630 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,700 And she was always dubious about it and protective and she was 631 00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:17,500 great that she let us go ahead with it, but still kept smiling. 632 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,400 And and there was a conversation going on with the producer that 633 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,800 I wasn't. I wasn't privy to, and she said, 634 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,600 right? Okay. 635 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,000 If this goes ahead, there's only one person I want to direct it. 636 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,100 And that's done. That's right. 637 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:35,900 Yeah. So we met Dirk and we met him at 638 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:43,000 Waterloo, train station, and the producer myself and we were 639 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,300 chatting. And I I knew straight away that 640 00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:53,500 this is the guy, this is the guy for us, I wasn't sure what the 641 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:58,800 producers thought, and you know, who was I, I wasn't the one who 642 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,200 was, you know, there with the money. 643 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,500 But the producer then said, before the end of the evening 644 00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:09,700 yet, I think, you know, we want, you know, I'd like to do it, and 645 00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:13,400 I thought, thank goodness, because I couldn't in all 646 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,100 honesty, knowing dirts pedigree, I couldn't really see how this 647 00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:23,400 was going to work. At one point, the producer said, 648 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,700 well, I'll director, as I don't want you to cause you haven't 649 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:33,400 got the, he hadn't got the rhythm of it. 650 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:39,500 He had Got the sensibilities of of the material and sitting 651 00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:43,200 across the table. There was the man who had it and 652 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,700 I thought, that that's who we've got to have that. 653 00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:50,500 You've got to get, and I got on really well with Dirk. 654 00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:56,100 And he gave, he was always giving great advice, and he 655 00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,000 would come up to me. And he said, Lee, okay, I think 656 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,100 this is a bit too long. And we, I said, right? 657 00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:06,200 But cut it and I'm the sort of person A person who I don't 658 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,700 want, I'm not precious about certain that all that b. 659 00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:13,600 Mine. I think that works because I've 660 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,800 got somebody who's got the experience the Dirk has a thing 661 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,700 as too long. Yeah. 662 00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:20,800 Right is going, I'll cut it. So that was great. 663 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,700 There was an honesty that I had from Dirk. 664 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,100 There was the the joy of somebody also having, right? 665 00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:33,200 But that's the sound effects. That's yes, we've got to that 666 00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:35,500 that play. As a part that's life, that's, 667 00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:40,600 that's happening. To have him there. 668 00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:46,000 Um, for me was like a breath of fresh air. 669 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,200 I have to say I'm probably haven't told him as much as this 670 00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:54,000 but if he's listening Ducks thank you, I could I cannot 671 00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:56,200 thank you enough for doing what he did. 672 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,200 So yes I was, I was pleased to have dirt on board. 673 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:06,100 I'm not sure whether the producer in the airport because 674 00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:12,800 it became very much a cast, and duck, and the producer But 675 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,600 that's how it goes. Yeah, you know he's never not 676 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,700 worked. He's been in constant demand 677 00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:23,500 since God knows since the 80s and they said that, there's a 678 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:30,400 sure indication of someone who's both a reliable inventive and 679 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:37,000 supportive director and producer and I don't think If I'm honest, 680 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,200 I think he's out there on his own, I don't really think 681 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,800 there's there's many people that if anybody that comes up the 682 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,200 same and is as respected as that, you know, we're very lucky 683 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,000 to have him very lucky and what was what was beautiful as well? 684 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,400 Was that John chalice? Who was one of our Phantoms? 685 00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:05,900 He he moved up so that was that was nice so well. 686 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,600 Well, so ask about those going to ask about that. 687 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,800 So John chalice obviously Boise from rooms and I believe John 688 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,300 Cole short at Danny Baker? Yeah, with the three. 689 00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:21,600 So each each had a different night that they were there, the 690 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,000 Phantom? Yes. 691 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,900 Is that right? So with a offstage actually 692 00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:29,000 blowing The Raspberries, well, they blend The Raspberries. 693 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,000 Let me think about that whether a half and half. 694 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,300 All right, a car from half. Yeah. 695 00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:42,300 Just of the way it was but they were off stage until towards the 696 00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:45,000 end. So there was the reveal now my 697 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:52,000 idea for celebrity guest Phantom came from the play, what I wrote 698 00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:56,100 now that was an issue. Remember that was in the West 699 00:49:56,100 --> 00:50:01,800 End and yeah, but yeah, and they had, you know, celebrity guests 700 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,100 each week or every two weeks. And I remember when I was Was 701 00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:10,400 talking to Norma. She was asking about names and 702 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,200 stuff. I said, well, my idea is to have 703 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,300 a name as the Phantom, which she loved. 704 00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:19,800 She, she thought right? Okay, I get that. 705 00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:27,000 And so we got John calls. Your was the first one that we 706 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:32,700 managed to get. In fact, We wanted one of them 707 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,500 Ronnie Corbett. What we didn't know was Ronnie 708 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:41,400 was really ill. So it was the start of the, you 709 00:50:41,408 --> 00:50:44,600 know, especially world three years before he died. 710 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,600 But that, that was so we reached out to him first and John 711 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,300 culture brilliantly. When he when he came on stage as 712 00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:56,300 the Phantom, he did in a slightly Corbett, which was 713 00:50:56,300 --> 00:51:01,200 hilarious. Sitting in the big chair, do not 714 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,900 quite know about the producers cocktail party but he did have a 715 00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:08,500 velvet jacket on so that was quite nice red velvet. 716 00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:13,800 So so that that that was a nice little tribute. 717 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,700 So John was the first one we got, and I approached him in the 718 00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:21,900 pub and said, look this is what we're doing is were just seeing 719 00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:24,700 dead ringers? And healing all. 720 00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:26,900 Yeah. So that was that was the first 721 00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:29,400 John chalice. I was following. 722 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,700 Owing him on Twitter. I made a comment and he said 723 00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:38,300 something about goons and I said if you like the goons I said 724 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:48,100 follow me and I'll DM So then I asked him I said this is what we 725 00:51:48,107 --> 00:51:49,200 do. Would you be one of the 726 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,700 Phantoms? Yes. 727 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,400 Was the answer. Is that? 728 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,400 I'm a huge. Boom. 729 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,800 And this mean the world to me was was that effect. 730 00:51:56,900 --> 00:52:04,500 This was when we had Regional director or he just died or and 731 00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:07,800 I told him a day or so later and he said oh how unfortunate? 732 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,000 Let me know if anything changes and then I said we've Got Dirt 733 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,400 makes I know dirt right I'll contact them so that was great. 734 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,700 So we got we got John Chavis and then Danny Baker was a friend of 735 00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:26,400 Dave Boyle who who played the the inspector and David is done 736 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:40,500 Peter Sellers stuff. So the play in 2015. 737 00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:44,700 So you had three nights. Yeah, so why so short, why such 738 00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:55,000 a short run, a couple of things contributed to that we were 739 00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:02,800 bought to do a mini tall I believe if memory serves we were 740 00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:11,500 optioned by Norma and Spike Milligan Productions to do 12 741 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,100 the dates. I wasn't privy to the fact that 742 00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:20,900 it was 12. I thought that as the bookings 743 00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:25,200 were were coming in and we would or 12 out of 12 dates or 12 744 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:31,400 weeks, right? But it was a trial and that was 745 00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:40,300 something that That was because I was just the right in the 746 00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:45,100 actor, that was something spoken between Norma and the producer. 747 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:51,400 We had got dates, booked John chalice certainly was up for 748 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,100 doing part of the talks. We were near where he lives so 749 00:53:54,107 --> 00:53:55,800 that would have been great. That that would have been 750 00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:02,400 superb. Then our co-producer decided to 751 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,800 pull it. And the theaters were told and 752 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:15,200 the reason co-produced a pulled it is because he didn't get it. 753 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,400 Is what we were told, right? He could have gone on, but I 754 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,200 think first of all, it was a trial. 755 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:28,000 And as I said earlier, you know, Norman was very protective I got 756 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,300 on. Well, with Norma, I really 757 00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:33,300 liked. In fact, I, you know, after some 758 00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,700 distance, I'm contacted her again. 759 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,200 And just before her death, it was, she read the script. 760 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,100 And one of the last emails I've got was she was really pleased 761 00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:48,000 with the treatment. Of the, the new version, which 762 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,400 meant a lot because it, yes, yeah, yeah. 763 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,600 There's a stamp of approval she worked. 764 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,900 So closely with Spike, you know, they're there for their 765 00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:01,900 friendship was a friendship. Not just agent and client? 766 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,600 Yes, she was. She was more than an aging 767 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,800 despite really, wasn't she? Oh, yeah, yeah, sense, the word. 768 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,500 She was that she was a formidable. 769 00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:15,300 Woman was, I used to quite when I used to see the emails. 770 00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:17,600 Okay. Yeah. 771 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,800 But you know, as I said, you know, she was she several times, 772 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,400 you know, she said, oh, we're singing from the same page and, 773 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,100 you know, so it's great. So the last email I've got from 774 00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:33,800 her is a superb email, which you know, because you just endorse 775 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,200 the whole thing. So, unfortunately, that's why it 776 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:43,700 didn't go on and it's a shame because I actually think it 777 00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:52,300 would have It fills a need for a certain, a certain age of people 778 00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:55,100 who just think you just want good old-fashioned comedy. 779 00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:03,100 I, I think, That we just need a little bit of. 780 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:10,800 Silly humor with a bit of play on words. 781 00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:18,200 Farcical situations and that spike. 782 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:26,300 It just tickles a funny bone that people didn't know they 783 00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:32,900 have and just to be A bit you know to go with the silliness 784 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:39,100 and let that wash over you. I mean is we loved it as 785 00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:43,600 children you know we loved all sort of see him and I think we 786 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,400 sort of stopped ourselves sometimes as adults but spite 787 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,200 never did. And we need more of that. 788 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,000 And that's what, you know that other, that's why I want. 789 00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:01,400 I also think it's a very clever concept theme and remarkable, 790 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,700 organ. Detects a silly concept, it's 791 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:12,900 it's tapping into the comedy horror that, you know, we used 792 00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:17,100 to see and Hora takes itself far too. 793 00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:20,600 Seriously. Now and it also tells Taps into 794 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,800 that Victorian melodrama so it's got everything it really has, 795 00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:32,700 you know, the right theater with. 796 00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:36,200 You know, it's quite atmospheric, especially old 797 00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:42,400 Victorian theaters that we have in this country it's got a place 798 00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:46,500 it really has. So yeah, I would That's my 799 00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:50,600 mission. All the very best with that and 800 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,300 keep us posted in terms of how that is going. 801 00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:57,100 And I'd like to pick up again with you some point next year 802 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,000 and see how that's going. And maybe by that point you'll 803 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,000 be you'll be due to announcer a slew of dates. 804 00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:09,500 Yes, that would be great and we can, we can we can we can talk 805 00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:14,100 about that and promote that. So Leo, it's been fantastic 806 00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:16,400 speaking with you. Let's just listeners won't know 807 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,500 this, but this was literally arranged this morning. 808 00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:23,800 It was this conversation. You, you were not aware of me 809 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,700 this time last night, where, you know? 810 00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:29,600 So yeah. But this this is, you know, I'm 811 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:35,000 really grateful for you taking time out to speak to me and and 812 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,100 we will definitely speak again. Thank you very much. 813 00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:39,500 You've been an absolute pleasure. 814 00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:42,700 I've enjoyed it. So I hope I'm not bored too many 815 00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:47,700 people to death, but Ivan Thanks again to lie. 816 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,000 I will be back next week with. In fact, I will be back before 817 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,800 next week. I will be back on New Year's Eve 818 00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:01,100 with a special show. It is a special countdown of 819 00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:07,300 goon pod listeners top. 20 goon shows as chosen by you and I 820 00:59:07,308 --> 00:59:10,000 will be joined in this undertaking by friends of the 821 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,700 show and previous guests, Mike Askins and Sean Gaffney. 822 00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:17,000 And we'll be running down the list from from number 22. 823 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,200 Number one, with all sorts of interesting fun stuff to talk 824 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,500 about. So please look out for that. 825 00:59:22,500 --> 00:59:25,300 As I say, that will be dropping on New Year's Eve, which is 826 00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:28,500 Saturday. So, in the meantime, take care 827 00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:32,300 of yourselves enjoy, what is left of the festive season and I 828 00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:34,700 look forward to being back in your ears very, very soon. 829 00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:17,000 And we'll be running down the list from from number 22. 830 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,200 Number one, with all sorts of interesting fun stuff to talk 831 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,500 about. So please look out for that. 832 00:59:22,500 --> 00:59:25,300 As I say, that will be dropping on New Year's Eve, which is 833 00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:28,500 Saturday. So, in the meantime, take care 834 00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:32,300 of yourselves enjoy, what is left of the festive season and I 835 00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:34,700 look forward to being back in your ears very, very soon.