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The. 
Hello and welcome to Goon Pod 

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this week. 
Something a little different. 

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I'm always trying to keep fresh 
and try out different wrinkles 

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and sometimes it's quite nice 
not to have to do any work and 

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actually let a guest do most of 
the heavy lifting. 

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With most shows on Goon Pod, I'm
all across the subject. 

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I'm researched up the wazoo and 
that can take time and effort 

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and there are downsides to that.
I sometimes pass my wife in the 

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kitchen and she's wearing a 
sandwich board with Podcast 

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Widow written on. 
I'm always delighted when this 

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week's guest is on the show. 
He's a bottomless pit of British

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popular culture and classic 
showbiz and light end knowledge 

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and makes me laugh like an idiot
as well. 

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So this week I asked Chris 
Diamond, erstwhile TV cream 

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panjandrum, to come on the show 
and talk about comedy. 

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I had a list of talking points, 
which he chose at random, and we

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shot the breeze for 90 minutes 
about everything from Blackadder

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to Benting. 
As the last name there 

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indicates, the conversation was 
not a goon free zone. 

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In fact, a chunk was devoted to 
discussing Spike Milligan's 

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lesser chat show appearances. 
So listeners about to angrily 

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switch off crumbling about this 
episode not meeting the brief 

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should stay their hand. 
Anyway, it's largely unedited, 

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which is nice and gives it a 
loose feel, and I think it works

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very well. 
Judge for yourself. 

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So what I wanted to do was just 
just have a general chat about 

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comedy. 
Always available. 

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So I've got a job, I've got a 
load of talking point type 

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things, OK, mainly about films, 
British films, TV and the like. 

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And as I've sprinkled a few goon
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just so it stays within the 
remit of the podcast, you know 

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what I mean? 
Absolutely. 

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But nothing specific, nothing, 
nothing too taxing. 

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This, this is 30/30/12. 
We ain't getting through them 

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all. 
Random. 

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Well, this one, I was going to 
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between 1 and 30 and we'll see 
how we get on. 

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Well, I was watching on top of 
the post the other day, so let's

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go for 19. 19 No No. 
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OK, that's interesting because 
of as well as well. 

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All I've got down here is Bob 
Monkhouse. 

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Oh, there you go. 
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that was a good a good place to 
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Discuss. 
Not really Bob Book is. 

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I'm trying to think of the odd 
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Obviously isn't. 
Carry on, Sergeant. 

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Dentist on the job? 
Dentist on the job. 

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Yeah, you could you know, you 
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producers would think, you know,
he's going to be we can become 

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into a film star, you know, 
because he's quite slightly 

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quite shiny and and he obviously
worked hard and obviously, you 

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know wanted to do it, but I 
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ever came across on screen as 
very engaging. 

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You know yes, it's difficult to 
difficult to warm Tim. 

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I think on the screen I'd I'd 
it's probably really unfair. 

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But do you know that Victoria 
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did then the one where it was 
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BBCDI think was our idea of 
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Oh yes. 
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like you see for BBC Netting and
below. 

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Yes, yeah. 
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we let Anna Weng was the tea 
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chart and it just a little 
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know, the great thing was that a
sincerity, but people always 

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thought I wasn't sincere, but I 
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I was sincere, but they might be
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Anyway, I've got you, but it's 
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greatest stand ups, I think in 
the and also a fantastic writer.

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But obviously Bob, but you know,
as a superlative game show host,

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but you know, I don't really 
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deserves nowadays. 
Does it say that Renaissance was

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he? 
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He did, yeah. 
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that was because of a sort of a 
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know, all the comedians that 
you'd helped over the years that

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came, come of age. 
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Yeah. 
Excuse me. 

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They come to, they come to 
Crawlman. 

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And so they were in a position 
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And I remember that thing you 
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where it was like like I was 
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was like, you know, I remember 
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eventually shown on BBC Four I 
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Kevin Day Kevin Day was in the 
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comedians in the audience. 
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That's right. 
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Dominic Holland was in the 
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Man style. 
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might have been there and you 
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guest and all that. 
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showed me that long before it 
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of being passed like a sort of 
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person to person. 
It's like, oh, you mean to see 

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this? 
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Which is why I think I've no N 
say track on it whatsoever. 

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So I can't speak to any great 
knowledge, surprisingly. 

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But I think that's why the 
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amazing because it looks like 
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handheld kind of thing for a lot
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And I'm not sure whether it was 
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was. 
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it was one of those things as 
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wave of recognition. 
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of it though that tell me a 
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It rankled me so much, but it 
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everything again and pisses me 
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Did one of these 100 greatest 
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everybody was at was at it in 
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Yeah. 
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up comedians. 
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and all that. 
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two nights and all the everybody
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It was a British thing. 
It was American comics in it as 

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well. 
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Was it that 100 greatest lists 
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one of his shows like 44th Oh? 
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Stand up ever or something? 
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Because he, he was. 
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And of course, it's completely 
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obviously, but a lot of a lot of
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and it's very difficult to 
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with, you know, some slick, you 
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very chop cheese. 
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bubbling along and they get 
people on and people will come 

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and see how good they are and 
all that there was and all of it

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all. 
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recognized 1. 
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One negative comment and the 
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Bob Monkos. 
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So Bob Monkos and he's quite 
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high up. 
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40s or something, which it 
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as far as I'm because a bit OK, 
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day perhaps at the time, but and
the guy who said it was negative

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about him. 
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It plays Shirley Ghostman. 
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That place who? 
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fake, you know the comedy, you 
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I don't know. 
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things like he's a character 
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OK. 
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I mean, you know, meddling 
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stories high, he was the he was 
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you know, Sean Locke's. 
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Yeah, yeah, he was the guy in 
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He was trying to record 
relaxation tape and kept on 

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screaming that his family 
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Right. 
Hang on, hang on, hang on. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
You carry on talking. 

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Just yeah. 
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Some Bob Marcus comes around and
the people are saying, oh, Bob 

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Marcus, you know, he was gay and
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know, he's so clever and he 
produced all his own material 

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and all that sort of thing. 
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says, I think he's disgusted, 
like a cheap gag man. 

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Like he was included in a list 
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Oh, piss off. 
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Why was that left then? 
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It's Mark Wooten, by the way. 
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Who I Yeah, I remember him now 
from 15 Stories, but also 

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probably best known for being in
the That Nativity film series 

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that my kids used to watch. 
Oh, she's a suffering fog. 

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Yeah, so, I mean, I just thought

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it was so. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm 
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negative comments about other 
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it. 
Bernard was Benavann was in the 

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list and the comments about him 
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They were sort of more like sort
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Wasn't Bernard's last TV 
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his house and he's just sat 
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That was that was in that 
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and they went to Brittany. 
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Because Frank Carson was there 
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you've done that just to just to
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lovely man. 
He really was. 

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He was a lovely man and they but
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thought of him. 
So he used to act up and he 

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didn't care anymore, you know. 
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out to be a man's defender, 
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good stop. 
Stand up. 

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Give us. 
Another number. 28. 

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OK. 
This is very interesting because

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it actually ties in with kind of
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talking about. 
Racism discussed, right Do. 

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You remember about 20 odd years 
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British sitcom. 
Ah, Christ. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And and I've got the top ten as 

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voted for by the public. 
And I want to just ask you what 

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your thoughts are. 
But it's like pressed me off 

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even at the time. 
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Go and then. 
OK, so in reverse order, so #10 

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one foot in the grave. 
Should definitely should be. 

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Yeah, should be higher, should 
be higher #9 the good life. 

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No. #8 Open All Hours. 
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Porridge. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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That's that's about right, yeah.
We're up to number six. 

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Yes, Minister. 
Yes, Prime Minister. 

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Yep, that is, Yep. #5 Fawlty 
Towers #4 Dad's Army. 

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No, that is way too high. #3 
brace yourself. 

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Go on. 
The Vicar of Dibley. 

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I was going to say it's the 
Vicar of Dibley in it. 

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No. 
Get to no, no. 

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So any get? 
So we got the last, we got the 

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final two. 
Yeah, well, there's certainly #1

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is going to be on the frozen 
horses. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Spare me. #2. 

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Number 20, it's going to be 
Absolutely Fabulous in it. 

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I didn't know you cared. 
What? 

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Only joking, Black Anna. 
Oh, right. 

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I heard that about it. 
It's like, that's me over there.

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Black Hat is very sweeping, 
isn't it? 

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It's very sweeping to say 4 
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considering how different they 
were because because all four of

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them are, they're not equal that
are not equivalent. 

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Well, that's interesting you say
that because I happened to watch

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the other night, literally 2 
nights ago. 

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I was, you know, when you just, 
I can't settle on what to watch.

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Yeah. 
And I had the Blu-ray. 

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I bought the Blu-ray of Black 
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all right, and I hadn't watched.
I mean, I've watched them all. 

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I mean, my favorite series is 
the second series, but I'm very 

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fond of the first series. 
But anyway, but I thought I'll 

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give them the fourth series ago.
And I put on the episode where 

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it's the Charlie Chaplin Black 
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Chapman and Malchard falls in 
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as a woman. 
Do you remember the? 

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Moment. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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but every other line was a he's 
as such and such as a such and 

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such. 
Yeah. 

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And there's always he's, as you 

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know, he's as thin as a thin 
thing. 

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You know what, he's just thin as
the greatest thin thing that 

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everybody thin never saw. 
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No, I the the 4th series I 
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because I think it's it's in my 
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series of the office. 
It's bought in it, but that, but

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the time it's on, it's bought 
into its own mythology. 

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Yeah. 
So you make the first series or 

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you make the earliest series and
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people react to and that's 
great. 

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time progresses and then it 
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then certain things are picked 
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Then they spend back at the the 
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it, and that's what they make it
about. 

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So by the time you get to the 
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cut, so cunning plans and man, 
you know, and all that, that, 

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and that's all it is. 
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And then bizarrely, it's it's 
it's also see the sort of 

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unpatriotic because it's or just
somehow it's it's wicked because

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it's about the First World War. 
What and how could you be so 

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awful not to? 
It's so odd, but I just don't 

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think it's terribly good. 
Whereas my personal favorite and

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I I like the fact that people 
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different, you know, whichever 
one they like. 

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My my personal favorite is the 
third series is black under the 

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thumb, which interesting is just
the mains. 

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And I have a tradition that any 
election night I always watch 

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the the election night. 
Oh, with Ivor Biggin. 

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With Vincent Hannah. 
Yeah, Vincent Hannah. 

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Brilliant. 
He's so great. 

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He was such a such a loss, so 
young. 

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But you know, good evening, Your
Highness and good evening, 

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Colin. 
He's so great. 

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My favorite from that series was
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Paddock as the actors. 
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why also like as in having 
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Hubert again, it. 
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You know, which is which is what
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reasons that I love French and 
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people like to, you know, they 
have this reputation of they 

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used to have the reputation 
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alternative comedy and it's all 
very different as well. 

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But actually almost the first 
opportunity they started getting

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people like Russ Conway, you 
know, when they always admit the

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almost the minute they could, 
they started getting you like 

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old school comedy people because
they're good at comedy. 

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Yeah, which is what I love. 
But anyway, back to the list. 

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The good life. 
I mean, I don't hate the good 

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life. 
Pushing is pushing that as a 

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cobbler comedy. 
It's sort of placed. 

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One of those things was like, I 
bomb, you know? 

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It's like, oh, it's the good 
life. 

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It's fine. 
I can sit in that. 

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Well, I do it, you know, I could
do the touches and so on. 

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Nobody's going to laugh out 
loud. 

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Obviously the best people in are
collating to the Penelope Keith,

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you know, And it's fine. 
It's fine. 

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It's not doing anybody any harm.
Juba, is it? 

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It's sitcoms, a very strange 
thing. 

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But you know, British sitcoms 
are very strange thing. 

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There are no, I mean, what I 
thought, should we mention this 

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was before that. 
I can't think of a single sitcom

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that's being made just now. 
I mean, not going out makes 

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still beyond. 
Ghosts was the most recent I can

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think. 
Of Ghosts, right? 

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Well, Ghosts is an exception, 
I'll give you that because it's 

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phenomenally good. 
But you know, but in terms of 

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like, you know, like a studio 
bound on tape sitcom where 

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people walk in and walk out and 
you know, they're not, they're 

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just not made anymore. 
It's too expensive, I suppose, 

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although I don't really know, 
everything's too expensive. 

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They must make have to make 
something. 

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But I suppose it's easier to 
make, you know, Veera and then 

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sell it to Singapore or 
something. 

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I don't know, or sell it abroad.
So there are no circle. 

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But however, you forget that 
there used to be hundreds of 

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cycle. 
So what what's most interesting 

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about these kind of lists? 
Who may, who decides what to 

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present to the public to vote 
on? 

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And of course, it's an office 
full of Ollies and Francesca's 

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who who just who just looked up,
you know, lists online or 20 

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years ago, look up lists in 
China or something. 

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Whereas funnily enough, I've 
just been going through it 

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because YouTube's a great 
repository for forgotten sitcoms

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and I was watching some from the
70s that, you know, that 

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probably never, like probably 
didn't make a same series or set

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or they might have done. 
For all I know there might be 10

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series, but there was like one, 
for example, called no, I'll get

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picked up by this, but people 
who actually know these things, 

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I think it was called Inside 
George Webley or Inside George 

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Weber Webley is funny. 
And so I watched one episode, 

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the episode that's there, and 
it's Roy. 

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That's. 
Not that bad, no the way. 

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Oh God that's terrible, is the 
fellow source. 

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And died. 
Broy can hear. 

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Roy can hear. 
Sorry, it's Roy can Hear and 

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Patsy Rollins. 
Of course, of course. 

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There's of course, there's 
almost nobody else in it and 

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he's just like, he's just a man 
who goes in the pub and you 

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know, some of the bargain. 
But the Sunday morning of Sunday

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afternoon and the old cordure 
behind the bar says somebody's 

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just dropped dead. 
You know, he's dead for sure. 

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He decides to get you know 
what's the only this. 

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The startling thing about it was
he goes to the local gym to. 

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Roy, HUD. 
And it's Roy HUD Sweat the thing

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really camp. 
I've seen it. 

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Have you seen that he has 
stumbled across it? 

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No, nobody's, I mean that just 
disappears under the ether 

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because they were quite 
disposable, because they used to

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make a few every every company, 
every ITV company probably made 

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two or three different sitcoms a
year. 

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So they're not made to last, you
know, they're just made in 

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chocolate shelf. 
So that the the idea of making 

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the great sitcom never, I'm sure
it never cut to anybody. 

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But we we watched them, 
certainly seen that. 

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I couldn't remember what it was 
called inside George Webley or 

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whatever it is, but I remember 
saying that he had a Kinnear had

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a one series sitcom, I think in 
the late 70s called The 

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Clairvoyant, I think. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
But it's completely forgotten. 

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We've been watching as well. 
I say we friends, and I've been 

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watching. 
I don't know if I mentioned this

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to you before. 
Have you heard of the last of 

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the baskets? 
Oh good, yes, with the with the 

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Arthur Law. 
Arthur Law as a Butler. 

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Oh no, don't tell me. 
It's Arthur Law and oh God, who 

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pleased the mum. 
I'm going to kick myself because

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it's really obvious. 
I'm just, I can't thank you to 

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tell me I've got. 
Oh no, it's. 

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Pat Hayes. 
Obviously, it's Patricia. 

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I was going to actually going to
say I really handle or. 

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If if wet. 
Patricia Hayes. 

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If I really handle can't be 
asked. 

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Yeah. 
Patra Hayes. 

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Right and and as the the newly 
installed Lord of the Manor. 

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Yeah. 
Can you remember? 

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Because and and this won't be 
giving anything anything away to

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listeners, but think of your 
e-mail address. 

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Always Ken Jones that's right 
that's right so I'm funnily 

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enough that's another one in 
this set called watching mode 

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that I've been in I've watched 
an episode of last of the 

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baskets and it was a random 1. 
So there was no set up. 

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So as I watched them like what 
is going to what is going on 

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here? 
Eventually I realized after lose

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the the old retainer Butler 
who's showing, you know, and 

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it's Beverly Hillbillies kind 
of. 

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Yes. 
You know, so yeah, you know, and

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again, it's it's like, you know,
just another sitcom, you know, 

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one of maybe 10 or 15 or 20 that
year. 

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And if those have to do this 
fight is self subsaled and 

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everybody's happy. 
But these are the point of 

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making as these are never going 
to be even you're on a list for 

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anybody to think nobody's going 
to think. 

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Don't forget to put the wackers 
on, you know, don't mess because

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that would, you know, people are
going spear. 

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Yeah. 
And so that's a very, the lists 

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are a very, you know, obvious, 
obvious ones. 

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And you know, for example, in 
that top ten, it's outrageous 

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that rising damp isn't in the 
top 10 because that is way 

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better than The Good Life. 
I mean, that's it's ridiculous. 

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Would you, you know, if you if 
you asked any sane person, she 

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want to watch an episode of the 
good life where they have to 

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mind that about a goal? 
Or do you want to watch? 

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Do you want to watch the rising 
damp episode with forces Python?

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What do you go? 
Do you see? 

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I put in the garden? 
Put in the garden, you stupid 

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cow. 
But the point is this, the 

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select the thing that bothers me
because they, as I said, they're

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completely arbitrary. 
It's the it's the selection for 

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people to vote on that kind of 
annoys me the most because as 

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you know, I am the world's last 
and most prominent champion of 

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nearest and dearest. 
Oh yes. 

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Which I think, which I think at 
the top Care who argues about 

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me, I think is one of the best 
sitcoms ever made. 

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But it's never it's never going 
to be even included. 

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And it's just pure snobbery 
because they don't make any 

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concessions to language. 
You know, the and it's and it's,

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you know, overtly provincial as 
they love to see in as London. 

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But how do episodes of it 
written by like, you know, 

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George Layton and Jonathan 
Lennon and and, you know, people

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like that. 
It wasn't, you know, without 

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talented input, all the folks in
the horses just sort of having 

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their ankles. 
And I know people are going. 

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It's obviously the best. 
The thing that bothered me, but 

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only if it was the horses. 
It just became a soap opera. 

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Yeah, it did. 
And it. 

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Became so, yeah, it just became 
a sort of A and when it went 

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along, it was like John 
Sullivan's, you know, weekly 

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tragic, tragicomic play, just a 
second, you know, you know, in 

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the end. 
Yeah, that's right. 

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So it was like, well, right, 
whatever. 

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Nearest and dearest? 
I've got the list. 

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The full top 100 or the full 100
as voted for in 2003. 

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I think it was nearest and 
dearest #82. #82 must have on 

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our postcards anyway, as you 
say, they're just sort of all, 

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kind of all subjective. 
But it gets the leak of these. 

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It's like the Satan sound film 
list, you know, like, oh, you 

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can argue about whether Citizen 
Kane's number one this year or 

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not, but you know, it becomes it
becomes a board because all the 

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folks are always going to get 
voted number one. 

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But actually, if there is a 
number one, it really should be 

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1 foot in the grave. 
Yeah. 

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Because Faulty Towers is like a 
great comedy. 

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I mean, it's a genuinely great 
comedy, but you know, there's 

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only 12 episodes. 
You know, only one foot. 

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The grief was immense from the 
first episode to the last 

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episode. 
What, like 10 years? 

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Exactly 10 years. 
Yeah, it. 

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Was absolutely and when you 
watch it back, I think I'm 

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trying to say it's all on the 
iPlayer, but it. 

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Was it was I think it's 
literally just been taken off 

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this week. 
It's. 

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A shame, because when you go 
back and just pick any random 

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episodes, it's just fantastic. 
Yeah, you know that. 

448
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,880
And if you're lucky, Mrs. War 
Boys, you'll be in it, you know?

449
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,560
My favorite is the man who blew 
away with Ryan Murphy. 

450
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,080
Oh. 
Yeah, that's Mr. Foskett. 

451
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,560
It's just so funny. 
It's like when you open the door

452
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,240
in the living room. 
I just did enormous photograph, 

453
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,440
like 10 foot by 10 foot 
photograph. 

454
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,240
What? 
About when? 

455
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,240
Which they don't reference till 
about halfway through the 

456
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,760
program. 
What about when Mrs. Moore Boy's

457
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,640
ghost agrees to go and pick up 
his dry cleaning? 

458
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:12,720
Brings back a monkey suit. 
Oh, it's just so great. 

459
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,080
The only thing I didn't like 
about, not like it's it's too 

460
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,880
strong. 
The thing that rankled a little 

461
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:27,600
bit with that show, no, let me 
say, the character that rangled,

462
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,240
shall we say, was Patrick Angus 
Data. 

463
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,600
Because he was just 
irrationally, he had this 

464
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,680
irrational hatred. 
Yeah. 

465
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,000
I mean, I suppose the idea was 
supposed to be that he was just 

466
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,240
sort of I'd reasonably driven up
the ball by vector, but I'm not 

467
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,280
sure that came across as it came
across as a preg. 

468
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,400
The other thing was that they 
would do that, you know, every 

469
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,680
now and again, which bothers me 
because that's back-to-back out 

470
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,280
as it was forth as well. 
When they do this, but you know 

471
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,360
you're laughing along ever this 
happened. 

472
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Then suddenly they'll Chuck in, 
you know, some terrible and you 

473
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,200
know, like when Gene de vets kid
has a crash and loses a baby. 

474
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,200
Oh yeah. 
And you're like, oh, OK, yeah. 

475
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,360
Meanwhile, next door, the the 
street lights been pushed 

476
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,480
through the wet. 
This is sodium light over the 

477
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:27,000
double break. 
The first time I ever saw one 

478
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,840
from the grave was this. 
Was it the third series? 

479
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,920
I was living in Belfast and it 
was the episode where Margaret 

480
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,520
goes missing. 
So there is, there is some, yes,

481
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:46,160
sort of dramatic tension, but it
climaxes, shall we say, with 

482
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,920
Victor being on the ground, 
being dry humped by a 

483
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:59,960
chimpanzee. 
I suppose maybe the reason 

484
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,040
Patrick doesn't work all the 
time is because it's it's a, 

485
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,720
it's Annette Crosby's job to be 
furious with Victor. 

486
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Yeah. 
There's that great episode where

487
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,400
he's suddenly all the way 
through, he's so happy and nice,

488
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,520
nothing bothers him. 
And she's looking at my scam. 

489
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,640
And he says, you know, what is 
it? 

490
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,320
How you do again? 
And he says he goes to this 

491
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,240
massage therapy and a woman, a 
woman just manipulates his feet 

492
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,080
and he comes away all feeling 
all relaxed and tickety. 

493
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,640
And then the women and the 
people and women's get raised 

494
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,440
because she'd been rubbing a 
nipple. 

495
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:49,480
Sort of. 
Politicians, yeah. 

496
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,160
So yeah, we could spend all 
night just. 

497
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,480
You could spend all night. 
OK, OK. 

498
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,120
You are another number. 
Give us another number. 

499
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,960
I spend the wheel double 11 okey
dokey. 

500
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,240
Oh OK, who? 
Who was the 5th goon? 

501
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:18,520
Who was the 5th goon? 
If we take, if we, well, if we, 

502
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,400
if we, if we take, take it for 
granted. 

503
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,520
You've got sellers seeking 
Milligan and and Benteen. 

504
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,760
Who was the 5th. 
Oh God. 

505
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,280
But in my estimate, but this is 
just sort of thing we are 

506
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,560
setting up because people are 
going to go spear if I don't see

507
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,600
the hate part of the gallery 
that it could be, you know, Pat 

508
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:44,280
Dixon or Larry Stevens or, you 
know, a Wallace Greenslade. 

509
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,800
See, I'm thinking. 
I'd say Wallace personally. 

510
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,360
But then you can argue what? 
Yeah, but Ray Ray often plays a 

511
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,240
number of roles in the. 
But not but not very often. 

512
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,240
Whereas no, when I say Wallace 
Greensley's done it almost 

513
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,160
entirely. 
Well, he, well, he's got his own

514
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,240
episode, isn't he? 
He did, yeah. 

515
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,080
Yeah, absolutely. 
I I So I'd, I'd say probably 

516
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,640
Wallace Greensley. 
OK. 

517
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,080
That's that one. 
I wish that funnily enough I was

518
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:21,120
just watching. 
I'd be working a project about 

519
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:27,360
the the 40th anniversary is 
coming up right through the 

520
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360
witnesses going out. 
I hate to build back the cotton,

521
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:36,200
but this isn't live. 
But anyway, it's a worker 

522
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,680
project because on the 40th 
anniversary of the passing of 

523
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,160
the great Tony MacLeod, who was,
you know, people might remember 

524
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,400
as the hefty presenter of Pebble
Mill at One and Saturday Night 

525
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,040
of the Mill. 
Yeah, OK. 

526
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,920
So he he passed away 40 years 
ago. 

527
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,160
I don't know. 
Right. 

528
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:02,560
And the, the, the I was 
something rooting around old 

529
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,200
episodes and I found, I think it
was actually the first episode 

530
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,920
of Saturday Night at the Mill 
and Michael Benton was on. 

531
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,440
It. 
I need and it's all these sort 

532
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,720
of silly say gags and things and
it comes on and it comes on 

533
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,600
feeling because for the 
uninitiated amongst you, Pebble 

534
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:30,120
Mill was was the BBC building 
and Birmingham and Pebble Bill 

535
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,440
at one was a lunch time program.
Saturday night to the Mill was 

536
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,800
the Saturday Night Live. 
They both live and they were 

537
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,240
both presented from effectively 
the porch of the building 

538
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,680
because they're big glass. 
The the surrounders big glass 

539
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,400
round. 
So it was a it was programs made

540
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,720
even though there were millions 
of pounds worth of studios. 

541
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,840
They made them in the foyer of 
the building to great effect and

542
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,880
Saturday night to the bell 
payable incomes on B comes 

543
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,440
through. 
He comes trundling across the 

544
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:05,880
year the foyer pushing a gas 
cooker and and he says that he'd

545
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,360
be Donny back. 
Donny B says, say, what have you

546
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,280
been up to? 
This is, well, I'll be staying 

547
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,920
at this hotel nearby. 
You know, we don't leave the 

548
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,920
continental breakfast, all that.
So I've produced the an instant,

549
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,239
but the instant British 
breakfast. 

550
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,239
And he's got a sort of cardboard
box that's all straight that 

551
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,639
says British breakfast. 
And it takes out a tiny little 

552
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,199
tree. 
It's very, very big team. 

553
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,719
It's like so a tiny little tea 
tree with a tiny little tea set 

554
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,199
on it and a little plate with 
egg and sausage peak and a 

555
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,760
little people the times. 
Absolutely. 

556
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,159
And he says, well this is what 
you do. 

557
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,040
You just add some water. 
So they pour some water onto it 

558
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,960
and he says you just put it in 
the oven and he puts it in the 

559
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,600
oven and as it closes the door, 
the back of it blows off. 

560
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,600
There's a huge explosion which 
is clearly way bigger than 

561
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:04,000
anybody's blood and there's more
so much smoke that they can 

562
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,800
barely see each other. 
And he opens the oven again. 

563
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,840
Of course, I'd say that as a 
full size replica of what the 

564
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,560
small ones are replica, but a 
full size breakfast. 

565
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,080
They said then you go, but you 
can't be able to see it and they

566
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,360
have to hurry up to the other 
side is fantastic. 

567
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:32,760
So hey, anyway, let's say. 
And so it's just just because 

568
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,720
deadly. 
It's just textbook painting. 

569
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,800
ADA has a whole, it has another 
routine to do with plants, which

570
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,120
I I mean, it was that is very 
funny, but would absolutely defy

571
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,480
description. 
You genuinely, you generally 

572
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,480
have to watch it and I don't 
think it would be funny if 

573
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,360
anybody else did it. 
Which is, again, entirely 

574
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,400
Michael Benteen. 
Absolutely. 

575
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,000
But Donnie B is with this sort 
of best. 

576
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,360
He was a great, a great 
presenter and a great guy, Very 

577
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,200
funny, but not one of the goods.
And one of the other guests on 

578
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,920
Saturday night to the village 
leadership, which you just 

579
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,080
watched, was was Milligan. 
He was he was there because they

580
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,480
were, you know, like they didn't
really have very many guests, 

581
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,280
two or three a program. 
So there's like a 20 minute 

582
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,760
chat. 
And he's then one of his 

583
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,120
slightly reticent moods, you 
know, So, you know. 

584
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,680
Yeah. 
And I can tell it's because when

585
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,080
he's introduced, they bring up 
the goods, you know, and thanks.

586
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,200
And he's probably annoyed about 
that, although we never seemed 

587
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,720
to remember. 
That's why anybody knew who he 

588
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,560
was. 
I've been I've been watching a 

589
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,760
load of Parkinson's from the 70s
and early 80s. 

590
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,720
Oh yeah. 
And I got access to a load of 

591
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,080
and you could sort of cherry 
pick the ones I wanted to watch.

592
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,360
Yep. 
And obviously there was that 

593
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,280
must have been about 7:00 or 
8:00. 

594
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,560
Well, maybe not so many. 
Maybe 6 Milligan interviews 

595
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,240
ranging from, I don't know, 74 
to 1980 or something. 

596
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,240
I don't know. 
We're on on his own as well as 

597
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:10,720
his company. 
Right. 

598
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,400
Oh no, no, no, sorry. 
They all with you know, he was 

599
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:21,120
like the 3rd guest or whatever 
sure and yeah most of them he 

600
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,400
was on good form yeah top form. 
You know he's in top form when 

601
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,240
he's crying, laughing when he's,
when he's, you know what I mean,

602
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:27,880
When he's. 
Yeah, yeah. 

603
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,040
When he completely loses it, 
yeah. 

604
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,880
But the one thing they all had, 
I think all of them had in 

605
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,320
common was so Park, he's 
interviewed the first two guests

606
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,040
or whatever. 
So he's got Twiggy and he's got,

607
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,080
I don't know, the Archbishop of 
Canterbury or whatever. 

608
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,520
And then and then he's, and then
he, he turns to the cabaret and 

609
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,840
he's about to announce Spike. 
So he's, you know, he goes 

610
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:53,760
begins a little and always you 
could hear Spike in the wings 

611
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800
shouting. 
He can't hear what he's 

612
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,720
shouting, but he's he's. 
Shouting something? 

613
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,280
I don't know trying to drown out
Paki or I'm not quite sure but 

614
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:10,000
he's. 
Yeah, he's, and that's what 

615
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,400
he's, he's sort of a hots up 
because Donnie asks him about 

616
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:15,800
his writing and things like 
that. 

617
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,760
So he's a bit more engaged. 
But it always makes it. 

618
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,640
Yeah, but always a slightly on 
tenterhooks when he's when you 

619
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,880
watch an interview with them 
because when he's not into it's,

620
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:33,960
it can be really bad, you know, 
especially back then when I 

621
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,600
would be like, you know, I'd 
make such an effort to watch 

622
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,960
anything that he was on and it 
would be a real let down if he 

623
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,760
was in the huff. 
Oh. 

624
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,520
Yeah. 
You know you didn't fail. 

625
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,880
You were cheated, you know. 
I watched an episode of Do You 

626
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,480
Remember Plunder? 
Yes, did. 

627
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Yes. 
Emma Freud. 

628
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,200
Yeah, take your favorite 
programs. 

629
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

630
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,320
And then she interviewed 
Milligan, I think it was from 

631
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,640
1990. 
Right. 

632
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:09,280
And the first clip he picked 
was, what's the name that? 

633
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,840
Is it Erica Rowe that streaked 
topless? 

634
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Yeah. 
Was it the cricket or something?

635
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,640
Yeah, you know what I mean. 
So his first clip that he 

636
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:27,480
requested was that clip of her. 
His final clip. 

637
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:39,400
Oh no. 
Was Erica Rogue again I remember

638
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,920
watching when I was when I was 
when I was about 50. 

639
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,320
What age would I be? 
1516, my first trip to London 

640
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,960
before I came over in the early 
90s, you know, permanently. 

641
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,360
First trip to London is 89 so I 
would have been 15 and I think 

642
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,800
it was that trip. 
Maybe I'm confusing it, but I 

643
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,360
remember watching I Was 
Desperate to Watch a Jonathan 

644
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,600
Ross interview. 
That's right. 

645
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,320
With Spike Milligan. 
Yeah, he did one with him. 

646
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,160
He did one with Frankie Howard. 
Yeah, it was. 

647
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,000
It was a pretty sure it was 
Easter 91. 

648
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,800
Well, what that OK Well that was
when I was living in Belfast and

649
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,400
right, because I remember my 
elder cousins were were there 

650
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,840
and watching as well my two my 2
elder cousins who and and I 

651
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,800
really was keen to watch this, 
this interview with Milligan. 

652
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,240
Yeah. 
Jonathan Ross. 

653
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,440
Yeah, but it's one of those 
where he was just. 

654
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,360
Yeah, he was not into Sal and it
was and it was like an hour 

655
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,680
long. 
Yeah, and I could just, you 

656
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,640
know, when you just feel. 
I just wish there was no one 

657
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,120
else in the room watching this 
with me. 

658
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,320
Yeah, I know because you're 
like, you're like, oh, this is 

659
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,200
so you're in. 
Yeah, he's my hero and he's 

660
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,320
just. 
Yeah, yeah, I tell you, I tell 

661
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,800
you why. 
I'm pretty sure. 

662
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,000
I mean that maybe I make the one
that was made many mash up 

663
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,320
things here, but that that 
particularly Easter. 

664
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:15,240
So I was 15, we had just bought 
a cafe. 

665
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,640
The circumstances are 
complicated, but not as 

666
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,920
complicated as they go believe. 
And we bought this thing and 

667
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,760
then and Millport was a little 
island just off the West Coast 

668
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,080
and we were taking over in May. 
And I was sent as an advance 

669
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:37,120
party to walk in it for the 
weekend because when you're the 

670
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,080
people that order nice all the 
time, we couple who were fleeced

671
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,600
us. 
And I was sent as a sort of 

672
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,720
advance party to see, you know, 
what it was like. 

673
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,960
Yeah, you know, good. 
Mom and dad were busy and all 

674
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,720
that. 
So and I was thrilled to be a 

675
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,640
load away weekend myself. 
We should never happen before, 

676
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,120
even though I was working and I 
stayed in that. 

677
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,680
So I had to stay in a guest 
house. 

678
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,800
It was Easter weekend and back 
then early 90s, even places like

679
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,040
Milford were still really busy 
in the, in the, in the season, 

680
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:14,360
you know, not, you know, just, 
well, not after, not after we 

681
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,520
bought the place, but at the 
time they were still really 

682
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,280
busy. 
So Easter weekend was even. 

683
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,040
So I had to stay and effectively
somebody's house, they had that 

684
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,800
like a granny flat that they 
said was a Big Breakfast they 

685
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,520
had. 
They were also bred golden 

686
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,920
retrievers. 
So I shared the room with four 

687
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,840
golden retrievers. 
OK. 

688
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,800
And anyway there were another 
couple staying in another little

689
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,880
bit so it was a very odd sale up
just sort of semi detached 

690
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,520
council house. 
And I'm finished walking in the 

691
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,120
Cafe, got home his knackered and
then sat in this little sitting 

692
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,920
room that they had for the 
guests with these this young 

693
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,560
couple from Newcastle I think. 
And they said they didn't care 

694
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,320
what was on the tail because 
they were going to go out. 

695
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,280
And I did exactly the same 
thing. 

696
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,720
I made a big plot for us, I mean
one to watch this now it was 

697
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,840
either on Easter Sunday or the 
next day, the Bank Holiday 

698
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,680
Monday because they think they 
were back-to-back right. 

699
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,680
Yeah, you know, it's I'm sitting
there with like 2 dogs on top of

700
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,960
me and, you know, at least this 
couple was sitting next to me 

701
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,720
see, you know, and they were 
given me the hearts like I mean,

702
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,480
this is the world's strongest 
man on Yeah, and I'm sitting 

703
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,760
thinking, oh, he's going to it. 
Surely he'll get there. 

704
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,280
And I did that. 
They were. 

705
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,080
I didn't want to give up and I 
didn't want to even get met, you

706
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,480
know, after the first part and 
go actually just wipe it 

707
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,400
something else going because 
that isn't funny. 

708
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,960
But anyway I slow. 
Holding out. 

709
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,880
You're holding out for him to 
suddenly shake off his mood and 

710
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,680
suddenly become and. 
The one better for some reason, 

711
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,360
as he said is Jonathan Ross 
system about Harry Secombe and 

712
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,880
he's and he says that because 
obviously Harry Secombe was in 

713
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,120
this highway period by then. 
Yeah. 

714
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,040
And Jonathan Ross says, you 
know, was he really, you know, 

715
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,640
what was he like? 
That was really funny and seems 

716
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:09,280
odd, but, and he said that and 
and Melligan said, Oh yes, it 

717
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,800
was quite funny back then, but 
as now he's just all I walk with

718
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,280
God and he did nothing. 
And I thought, well, that's not 

719
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,800
very gracious. 
I have to be honest. 

720
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,600
No, And it was a, it was a bit 
of a, it was a, it was a bit of 

721
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:26,920
a stretch, unlike the Frankie 
Howard one, which was fantastic 

722
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:31,600
because he was absolutely on top
form, even though he I think he,

723
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,480
I think he died not actually 
that long after. 

724
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,720
It Yeah, it would have been 
because it was. 

725
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:37,560
Yeah. 
What was that? 

726
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,320
June 91, maybe? 
Yeah. 

727
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,680
Same weekend as Benny. 
Same weekend has been hell yeah 

728
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:46,840
yeah, yeah, he's covered Benny 
Hell so yeah, the Frankie Howard

729
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,400
one was actually a lot better 
because he was just because he 

730
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,960
was just doing this all because 
by that time and Frankie Howard 

731
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,080
just had to do is you know, as 
the Schleck and everybody laptop

732
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,760
because he he was somebody who 
was on a perennial comeback. 

733
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,360
He came back every two or three 
years. 

734
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,000
Frankie Howard. 
Yeah, that's right. 

735
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,200
Just because he was so just 
because he was so good. 

736
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,680
Yep. 
Are you enjoying this random? 

737
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:12,880
I know I I am. 
Yeah. 

738
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,360
Yeah. 
Because you know, you know me. 

739
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,160
Like Goodwin. 
I'll talk to anybody back. 

740
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,080
OK, there's another number. 
There's another. 

741
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:28,240
Number settle down now 3. 
Oh OK OK this is a good one. 

742
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,360
Potentially off screen 
characters in comedy. 

743
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,240
Oh, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

744
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:39,320
Referred to but never seen. 
Mrs. Mannering and people. 

745
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:47,400
Yeah, so I'm thinking Clarence 
in LOLO, who drives with 

746
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:54,160
Lieutenant Gruber's tank. 
My little tank guy signer, that 

747
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,280
was great. 
Yeah, yeah. 

748
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,600
What I get well done? 
Oh yeah, that was great. 

749
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,040
Yeah, it was great. 
It was great. 

750
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,280
So, Mrs. Mannering, it's always 
disappointing when they, if they

751
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,760
ever actually try and bring them
in, you know, if they appear, 

752
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,280
you know, they never did that 
with her. 

753
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,840
But I. 
Suppose it's stretching it a 

754
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,320
bit, but alpha dailies misses. 
Alpha dailies misses. 

755
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,840
Fletcher's misses, although you 
see her once. 

756
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,800
Oh, do you? 
Yeah, there's a, there's a, 

757
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:32,000
there's a an episode of porridge
when it gets a load out on 

758
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,320
compassionate grounds. 
OK. 

759
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,240
And he goes home and he's, you 
know, he's meant to be a good at

760
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:41,120
a funeral or something and she's
there, which kind of blows it, 

761
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:46,680
you know, trying. 
To think what was some Sybil's 

762
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,000
best friend called in Fawlty 
Towers that she's always on the 

763
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,480
phone to but you never see it. 
Oh God, that's right. 

764
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:56,680
But does she know appear at the 
Audrey, Audrey, Audrey. 

765
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,080
But does Audrey not come to the 
maybe the anniversary episode? 

766
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,000
Yeah, I don't know if with Ken 
Campbell, with Ken Campbell, she

767
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:11,760
may well be one of those of. 
Ken Campbell, do you know you 

768
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,040
love people who you just like? 
If you, even when you just 

769
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,480
remember them, they make you 
happy. 

770
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,800
Ken Campbell's like that. 
You're like, oh, I remember when

771
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,400
Ken Campbell used to bury. 
It was great. 

772
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,560
Thank you. 
You talked at length about King 

773
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Campbell. 
I did, yeah. 

774
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,240
So I I Shan, I Shan. 
We'll go over all that again. 

775
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,080
If I could do this memory just 
as. 

776
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:33,840
Oh, gods. 
Right. 

777
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,320
Let's think of some other ones 
then. 

778
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,960
Oh, of course, they're getting 
back to 1 foot in the grave, Mr.

779
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:46,720
Sweeney's mother. 
Mr. Sweeney's mother and they'll

780
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,080
be terrible. 
Oh, tell me another one is well,

781
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,000
where this is a bit more 
obscure, the again forgotten 

782
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,480
sitcom, which is a favorite 
language is Dear Ladies. 

783
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,520
Oh, who's the name? 
Is that engine bracket? 

784
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,360
Or the engine bracket sitcom. 
Yeah. 

785
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,480
Yeah, OK. 
No, again, no, although there 

786
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,080
are bets that do make me laugh 
out loud. 

787
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,080
I just like being in 100 
brackets company. 

788
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,560
I just like it. 
Just I find it fun and I like 

789
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,000
the silly nonsense and I like 
the the Little Joe. 

790
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,680
Yeah, just like the whole sale. 
But it pleases me, you know, in 

791
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,040
that wave where you're like, no,
in that terrible last the summer

792
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,680
wind wave. 
But it's just like, it's the 

793
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,600
equivalent of the of Malcolm 
MacDowell at the end of a Colt 

794
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,840
Maconage. 
You like you're well, fucking 

795
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,560
like this. 
It's just that anyway, I just 

796
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,720
like it. 
And there's a running joke in it

797
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:51,680
where whatever they need an 
answer to a question, they'll 

798
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,520
phone Teddy. 
Who's the town clerk, Right. 

799
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,400
Hello, Teddy. 
You know, So it's like the 

800
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,600
phone. 
Hello, Teddy. 

801
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,960
Yes. 
So you never see Teddy, But is 

802
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,320
his wife Peggy, who's always had
some awful accident, like a 

803
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,000
skydiving accident or has fallen
off the church roof or 

804
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,760
something, which is a sort of 
running joke and is a is a very 

805
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,960
is a very nicely kept all 
scripted by James Bradworth. 

806
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,360
Really. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

807
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,120
OK, another number. 
A weapon. 3 days. 

808
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:42,800
Let's have another number 16. 
OK dear, in your opinion, in 

809
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:48,280
your opinion, in your opinion 
the single greatest bit in a 

810
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,960
Carry On film? 
The single greatest bit in a 

811
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,080
carry on. 
Scene or line or. 

812
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,120
Oh wow, just. 
When someone says carry on, it's

813
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,960
the thing that it's your go to, 
kind of. 

814
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,200
Right, memory. 
Well, there's a. 

815
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:03,880
Obviously, there's more than 
one. 

816
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:13,680
Yeah. 
The stupid what is one of them 

817
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,560
from Carry on Abroad. 
This is Mr. Fucky House. 

818
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,720
He says this. 
My name is Stuart Farquhar. 

819
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,600
It's a stupid What says a great 
line, Henry, this Mr. Fucky 

820
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:34,200
House and then Carry On Your 
Convenience has a few of them 

821
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:42,200
especially Hello, Bobby. 
But the one that we used to do 

822
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,880
is I used to watch that with 
friends of Rose the caravan in 

823
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,160
Millport in the summer all the 
time. 

824
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,240
And the thing that made us laugh
the most was said James. 

825
00:50:50,240 --> 00:51:04,160
But TA daddy, TA daddy mostly 
there once was a farmer called 

826
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,920
Red who went with a girl in the 
hedge. 

827
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,760
They along came his wife with a 
big cover knife and cut off has 

828
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,680
been too veggie. 
There's a good few in there. 

829
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Also, of course, there's the 
fuck here off and things like 

830
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,720
that. 
But actually my favorite scene 

831
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:28,680
and carry on up the kyber. 
The, the, the, the, the, I said 

832
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,360
something the best you could 
carry out the kyber. 

833
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,960
It's Peter Butterworth when you,
when they're in the prison cell 

834
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,480
and he's, I'm not putting up 
with this anymore. 

835
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,560
And he says I'm, I'm, I'm a 
missionary. 

836
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,840
I should be involved in this 
sort of thing. 

837
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,960
And he goes to the, he goes to 
the, the little sail window with

838
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,640
the bath and he says, let me 
help you. 

839
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,120
I'm a missionary, I shouldn't be
here. 

840
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,480
And the, and the guy comes to 
the, you know, the guy with the 

841
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,680
tournament, what comes to the 
thing? 

842
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,880
And he says, what do you want, 
pig? 

843
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,680
That's Mexican and he's he's got
all black teeth and he says I 

844
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,480
was going to ask for the name of
a good dentist. 

845
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:11,760
I don't think I'll bother. 
But one of the other ones I like

846
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:17,440
is Carry On Loving because it 
has the best, one of the best 

847
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,840
things that you can get in the 
Carry On film, which is when Sid

848
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,760
and Hattie are a couple. 
So that's the that's your dream 

849
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,560
team. 
As inconvenience as well. 

850
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,280
Yeah, that's why it's because 
it's so funny because Sid and 

851
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,960
Barb's is just kind of tired, 
but Sid and hearty is just it's 

852
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,680
just that's still great 
together. 

853
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,640
And there are there are lots of 
excuse me, there are lots of 

854
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,520
moments in there and and carry 
on. 

855
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,360
They carry on loving. 
But more again, what you know, 

856
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,800
there's the Kenneth Bell 
Williams stuffed with Patsy 

857
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,400
Rollins and other enemy. 
Which which? 

858
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,560
What was the last great Carry On
film in your opinion? 

859
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:03,400
Oh God. 
Not even great, just just just 

860
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:09,120
how decent, Yeah. 
I mean, the, the, the bad ones 

861
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,800
are terrible, you know, and I 
knew I was barely a film. 

862
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,080
England is. 
Dreadful England is 

863
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,160
embarrassing. 
It's so bad, I suppose. 

864
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,160
Carry on behind's OK, isn't it? 
Cattle behind OK, because it's 

865
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:28,840
got some good laughs in it, you 
know, because the whole Kenneth 

866
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,560
Williams and what is I was going
to say OK summers, but it 

867
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,600
obviously is not. 
Is it OK summer thing cool. 

868
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,120
My brain was telling me don't be
ridiculous. 

869
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,840
It's not. 
I could possibly because that 

870
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:47,680
whole setup is is very funny. 
I'd be a buffer. 

871
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:53,280
Really funny in it as well. 
Saint James also has the best 

872
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,280
character name of any character 
I think in the the carry on 

873
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,840
films and carry on Matron. 
Oh go on because of course you 

874
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,120
people are forgetting. 
Is it captures Carry on Matron 

875
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:13,800
where it starts in the jungle? 
Is it carry on Matron or is that

876
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,280
the one where they steal the 
pills? 

877
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,520
That's the one where they steal 
the steal the pill. 

878
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,280
So it's different, but it's the 
it's the one where Jim Dale 

879
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,240
goes. 
He's got a secret formula and he

880
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:24,440
goes to whether anyway. 
So it's. 

881
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,120
Again. 
Is that again, Doctor? 

882
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,320
Carry on again, Doctor. 
But of course, The thing is, as 

883
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:34,040
I say, it starts out in the 
chunk or in the tropics anyway 

884
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,240
with said James are the sort of 
he's the weather blowing person 

885
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:38,160
who's been there for. 
Years. 

886
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,400
Yeah, Yeah. 
Yeah, and he's called Gladstone.

887
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:46,640
Screw. 
I remember Phil Norman. 

888
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:52,240
The place TV cream film when we 
used when I used to do the the 

889
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:55,120
films at Christmas with them and
I can't remember what the 

890
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,480
conceit was. 
He came up, but it was for the 

891
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,800
film and the, the, the, the 
whatever any action figures 

892
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,720
films. 
So we never had so we never had 

893
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:15,560
composable Gladstone. 
Oh dear, There we go. 

894
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:18,160
Anyway, should we have another 
number? 

895
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,200
Go on. 
What's the meeting over? 

896
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,400
No, no, Yeah, that's fine. 
That's. 

897
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:31,560
See that like a normal #2024? 
24 Oh, OK. 

898
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,720
Oh. 
Do you have a favorite comedy 

899
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:39,240
LP? 
Do you have a favorite comedy 

900
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:40,040
LP? 
Wow. 

901
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,920
You know, it's not something 
that I've. 

902
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,840
I've had very many of comedy 
LP's because I never had really 

903
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,160
the record player. 
Well, I'll accept tapes. 

904
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:56,240
You know, but yeah, but you know
how like when you talk about 

905
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:00,440
comedy, LP's, the famous ones 
that all the sort of a, you 

906
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,960
know, Rector Pryor and Lady 
Bruce know these things, you 

907
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,120
know, and people like just sort 
of wank over all these 70. 

908
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:11,000
It's not. 
But leaving the same Mcgunshaw 

909
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,040
tapes. 
I remember I used to buy those a

910
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,080
compilations of like Milligan 
and Sailors and things like 

911
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,080
that. 
Yeah. 

912
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,400
There was a big there was a bent
in one as well, but I was mostly

913
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,720
baffling. 
But there was a sailor. 

914
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:30,520
There was a sailors one that I 
had. 

915
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,520
I made the obviously made the 
mistake of lending. 

916
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,880
The subject was a double tape. 
Was it yellow? 

917
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,760
Yellow cover. 
That's the one. 

918
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,240
And it was picked in the photo 
on the front. 

919
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:43,720
Was him dressed as a like a 
teacher or headmaster? 

920
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:51,080
Yeah, yeah, that was taken from 
the TV show The Idiot Weekly 

921
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,080
Price. 
Oh, yeah. 

922
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,640
Oh, that makes sense. 
Yeah. 

923
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,880
Yeah, I know exactly the the 
senior, I mean. 

924
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:04,200
So there was a mixture of songs 
and and and bets and I love, I 

925
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,160
love that album. 
I really loved it. 

926
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,800
Yeah. 
And I memorized everything on 

927
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,120
it, you know, so I could do all 
the, I could sing you all the 

928
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,920
any old iron and bangers and 
mash and all that sort of stuff.

929
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,160
And good. 
This teachers meet everything 

930
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,560
with troubling, troubling 
cadence. 

931
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:30,360
And then the, and the excerpts 
of, you know, Balaam, gateway to

932
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,640
the South and all that sort of 
thing. 

933
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,120
Yes. 
And the, you know, the, the, the

934
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,640
touch of the hard stuff and all 
that which, and I just 

935
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,360
absolutely loved that I listened
to over and over again. 

936
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,520
In fact, I, when I, when I lived
in Millport, when I said we 

937
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,520
moved there for about a year, I 
was, even though I would lived 

938
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,240
in on an actual island off the 
coast, I used to get, I still 

939
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,840
would stay to the same school in
Glasgow. 

940
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,840
So I used to get up at 6:00 in 
the morning and get a bus to the

941
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,320
ferry and get the ferry. 
They got trained at Glasgow. 

942
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,720
They get a bus outside of 
Glasgow to go to school every 

943
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:14,040
day back, so I had a lot of time
on the train on the bus. 

944
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:21,200
So I had a you know, a Walkman 
can affect a cheaper Walkman. 

945
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,200
Yeah. 
A low grade Walkman and I used 

946
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,360
to, I just listened to backwards
and forwards all the time, all 

947
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,880
the time until I got to like 50 
and they'd start to listen. 

948
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:41,640
They feed no more all the time 
things developed beyond not just

949
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,200
about musical taste, but that 
was I'd say that that even in 

950
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,800
terms of duration never listen 
did as much as that. 

951
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,680
I have AI got for Christmas a 
few years ago like when you 

952
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,560
still got CDs. 
I got a CD of Frankie Howard. 

953
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,000
I think it was I think it's 
actually his establishment. 

954
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,520
Oh yeah, they are great. 
They're very atmospheric as 

955
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,440
well. 
But I think that maybe not 

956
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,760
enough. 
There may be some TW 3 on it as 

957
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,600
well. 
But Frankie Howard was such an 

958
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,720
amazing comedian. 
It really was. 

959
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,480
How do you, I don't know, you 
know, that way when you see 

960
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,920
certain comedians, you think, 
how did you start? 

961
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,080
You know, how did you get people
to listen to you to begin with? 

962
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,040
Because it's so unusual. 
Yeah, yeah. 

963
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,600
How did you get past that first 
stage? 

964
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:43,920
Because he. 
Did he? 

965
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,480
Did he, did he do the windmill 
early on? 

966
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,200
Do you know? 
I don't. 

967
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,560
I don't think he did the 
windmill. 

968
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,800
Frankie Howard No. 
Probably because when he went 

969
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,080
out for his audition and Vivian 
Van Damme sat in the stalls. 

970
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,160
Where. 
Yeah. 

971
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,960
He'd be like, oh, oh, oh. 
You know, stuttering and 

972
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,320
hesitating and he's probably. 
Get off. 

973
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,400
Get off. 
Yeah, it's. 

974
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,440
Like you say, I don't know how 
he how he'd pass any sort of 

975
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,600
audition. 
But I suppose because from what 

976
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,440
I call, from what I seem to 
recall, he basically just went 

977
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:16,680
from trip shows and next minute 
you saw a variety of bad books 

978
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,800
because he was back really 
early. 

979
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,800
Yeah, he was. 
Probably 46. 

980
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,560
He was doing bad books. 
So, you know, I, I, I, I don't 

981
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,760
know what the bridge was. 
You know, maybe he just was 

982
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,040
doing the Alexander Club or 
something. 

983
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:37,080
I don't know, but it'd be very 
difficult to see to, to imagine 

984
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:43,720
schlepping around, you know, 
drinking clubs or certainly not 

985
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,400
working men's clubs, going to 
our misses, you know, and you 

986
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,760
find out a lot of that stuff he 
didn't even do then, you know, 

987
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,720
because he hadn't developed that
sort, you know. 

988
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,920
But he wasn't, he wasn't a great
improviser, was he? 

989
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,480
I believe he. 
Oh yeah, it was all scripted. 

990
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,200
Yeah, it was awesome. 
Although I've seen him on doing 

991
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,480
interviews, but he's been very 
sharp, you know, come away with 

992
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:10,400
some some good lines, but but I 
can't imagine he would improvise

993
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,160
his way along the stage. 
You know he's when you when you 

994
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,880
see that panorama of or omnipus 
rather panorama. 

995
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,200
Although although of course when
they do these biopics of them, 

996
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,840
it would be, if you believe 
them, it would be a panorama. 

997
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,200
It would be, yeah. 
Oh. 

998
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:35,560
God, I hated all of those 
things, You know, The, the, the.

999
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,160
Step 2. 
Oh, I hated them. 

1000
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,120
I hated them all and the Frankie
I heard one as well have really,

1001
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,320
really bothered me because I was
going to see with the album The 

1002
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,080
best thing you you see him at 
the start, you know he's walking

1003
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,800
about, rehearsed his lines and 
you recognize it's actually the 

1004
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,400
lines for the Oxford Union gig. 
OK, Yeah. 

1005
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,680
But he's remembering, Yeah, I 
went to the airport. 

1006
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,360
That's where the areas, haha. 
That's where the areas. 

1007
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,800
But the, the, what's his name 
that breaks? 

1008
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:09,080
David Williams. 
Williams and so you're presented

1009
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:13,760
with this portrayal of Frankie 
Howard so that, you know, 

1010
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,520
obviously, oh look, he's gay. 
Imagine. 

1011
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,920
And so he's being the main that 
he's not old. 

1012
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,160
You're totally in the 60s. 
So he's, you know, I don't know,

1013
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,480
40 maybe. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1014
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,120
Yeah, and then so there's like 
young guys going about and he's 

1015
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,920
given them all, eating at them, 
obviously fucking we love them, 

1016
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,200
is what you do. 
Do you know what I mean? 

1017
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,560
That's not you don't want to, 
but that person goes good. 

1018
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,120
I mean, I don't know, but it's 
like nerdies. 

1019
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:47,480
But people actually do express 
the the desire for people in 

1020
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,920
certain ways. 
It doesn't make them perverse, 

1021
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:56,880
you know, in the same way that 
you have, you know, like 

1022
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,920
obviously that's a different 
harvest. 

1023
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,920
It's a different thing, but you 
have to be able to chat people 

1024
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,480
up on me, comments about them 
because you know, especially for

1025
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,880
state, because the species has 
to survive. 

1026
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:13,000
That's true. 
But but if you know, it's the 

1027
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,280
idea that he was looking at 
these guys and will imagine, 

1028
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,920
look at what he's Fancy said. 
What's wrong with that? 

1029
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,840
There is nothing wrong with 
that, but it's presented as the 

1030
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,320
sort of a or look at the mucky 
side of them. 

1031
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,200
Just piss off. 
Yeah, I didn't say I didn't 

1032
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,000
watch the Frankie. 
On the the the 20 Hancock one we

1033
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,800
can't stop was just I stole the 
time and miserable, which is 

1034
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:41,240
like, but you know, it's like, 
well, OK, Tony Hancock was drunk

1035
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:45,400
and miserable a lot. 
Is that do we need to see that 

1036
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,840
portrayed on the telly? 
What does that tell us about not

1037
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,720
very much trying to hire the 
most miserable actor in Scotland

1038
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,880
to play him? 
I mean. 

1039
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,400
And then there was the well. 
Matt McManus was dead, so. 

1040
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,320
Imagine Mark McManus is uncle. 
That's fantastic. 

1041
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:17,200
At least my mother's gravy moved
around, you know so. 

1042
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,760
And then there was the other 
one, the other rubbish one with 

1043
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,080
AI think it was Phil Davis was 
playing a so Phil Davis had 

1044
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,280
played. 
Yes, that. 

1045
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,400
Well, for a Bramble, yeah, yeah,
Oh yeah, just secret homosexual,

1046
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,600
but so fucking war, you know, so
war. 

1047
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,080
And again, you know, I'd hate to
be I do hate to be that that 

1048
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,480
guy, but they are, you know, 
where you pack up on everything 

1049
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:48,200
and complain about everyone. 
I'd be woke but walk nonsense. 

1050
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:53,240
But there's something very, you 
know, sort of a subtly whole 

1051
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:58,480
before because of these things. 
We are the the defining 

1052
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,440
characteristic of both Wilfred 
Bramble and Frankie Howard does 

1053
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,920
that they're gay and that they 
may actually like to get a bet 

1054
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,280
on the site of, you know what? 
So. 

1055
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,840
So what? 
They did the Huey Green one. 

1056
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,200
Maybe they did one with a bit 
Huey Green with Trevor Eve. 

1057
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,720
Yeah. 
I didn't say that. 

1058
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:21,280
No, but you've got that a wee 
bit both because Trevor just 

1059
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,680
believe there was a right 
bastard, which which you agreed 

1060
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,960
undoubtedly on. 
My, I know it wasn't part of the

1061
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:31,760
those BBC Four. 
I don't know. 

1062
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,000
What kind? 
Of things, but you know the 

1063
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,640
Kenneth Williams one with 
Michael Shane. 

1064
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,680
That was the worst one. 
I can't. 

1065
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,080
Remember that? 
But was that full of was that 

1066
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,840
just focusing on his sexuality 
as well? 

1067
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,760
Yeah, it's fun to have you 
always. 

1068
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,320
So no, the problem with that is 
Mike wishing was excellent as as

1069
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,720
Kenneth Williams. 
But it's all part of the 

1070
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,200
narrative of this. 
Look how measurable he was when 

1071
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,360
he was at home. 
All the loneliness and the 

1072
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:04,160
despair and how he hated 
everybody, which I just don't 

1073
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,640
believe is true. 
If there's a weird, there's a 

1074
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:13,080
weird thing we are people will 
accept that somebody like 

1075
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,720
Kenneth Williams can have 
different sides to them because 

1076
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,080
everybody has different sides of
them. 

1077
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:22,600
So like he's very jolly and, 
and, or at least engaging when 

1078
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,360
he's out in public. 
So they'll accept that. 

1079
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,120
But the, but then they will say,
but you know, he was, he was 

1080
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,920
very, and everybody knew. 
Everybody who knew him will say,

1081
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,760
but he was very private and very
quiet and he liked to live very 

1082
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:41,000
simply at home. 
So they're prepared to accept 

1083
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,280
that there's more than one say 
to him. 

1084
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,920
But The thing is then they say 
that what he's writing in the 

1085
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:51,160
diary must necessarily be the 
absolute truth of them instead 

1086
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,040
of what I believe what it is, 
which is just another side of 

1087
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:58,360
them rather than the definitive 
truth of them. 

1088
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,440
So when the diary was published,
when the Diaries were published,

1089
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:09,240
you had people like Golden 
Simpson to bring it back to them

1090
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,120
saying, Oh, we'd no idea that 
you thought that's about us and 

1091
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,840
you know that he was so 
miserable and all that sort of 

1092
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,720
thing. 
But to be honest, and I don't 

1093
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,880
want to get too more Maukisha 
and about this, but if you spend

1094
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,200
a lot of time on your Rd. 
I have been able very recently 

1095
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,480
and you do spend a lot of time 
when you do get very 

1096
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,960
introverted. 
And if you don't have contact 

1097
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,960
with people a, you know, a law 
and if you just genuinely do 

1098
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,520
have contact with people, you 
can't resentful and you say 

1099
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,440
stupid things to yourself. 
You know, when you're on it, 

1100
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,920
nobody cares and all that sort 
of thing, But you just see them.

1101
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,640
Then you meet people and you're 
fine. 

1102
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,240
That's why people need to be 
kept in contact. 

1103
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,240
If you know anybody who lives 
alone, the list does. 

1104
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,880
So he just so he just writes it 
down. 

1105
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,920
But everybody believes this is 
the essence of them. 

1106
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,640
Well, yeah, because I was 
recently looking through them. 

1107
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:04,080
Yeah. 
Because I did the episode on of 

1108
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,080
getting put on hand of the 
Baskerville's the film that he 

1109
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:06,640
was in. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1110
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,840
And he, he actually enjoyed 
making that film. 

1111
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,680
And it comes across in the in 
the Diaries. 

1112
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:19,120
But although the thing you just,
you just get, you know, 2-3 

1113
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,800
pages, you can flick through it 
random. 

1114
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,120
He'll he'll contradict himself. 
He'll say something on page 12 

1115
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,520
and then the complete opposite 
on page 18, you know? 

1116
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,000
Yeah, because. 
He because he's a person, he's 

1117
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,279
not a narrative. 
If people, people will have a 

1118
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:38,160
good day at work one day and a 
bad day at work the next day and

1119
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:39,960
their opinion of people will 
change. 

1120
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,319
You know that that's what that's
what happens to people. 

1121
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:50,200
Yeah, so it'd be like, I don't 
know, you know, on page 321, you

1122
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,760
know, Kew Lloyd, he's absolutely
wonderful. 

1123
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,600
Next page. 
That hack you Lloyd and never 

1124
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,960
when you work with him again, 
he's a disgrace and everybody 

1125
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,200
that he was rubbish. 
But you know, but transpose 

1126
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,680
somebody who just works in an 
office and somebody you know or 

1127
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,240
yourself or your partner or 
whatever. 

1128
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,800
And you know, in most days it's 
like you know enough enough. 

1129
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,120
On a one day of the week, I'm 
going to meet Janice and the 

1130
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,040
girls for a drink and then at 
the end of the week, because 

1131
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,640
things have gone badly. 
That bet Janice, I've never been

1132
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,800
here again. 
And then the next week is like, 

1133
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,359
oh, what just a waging to go for
a week away weekend away with 

1134
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,120
Janice. 
And that's life because a person

1135
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:32,120
is a person and not a narrative 
that somebody has written. 

1136
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:34,439
So what? 
So what? 

1137
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,760
The reason I see all this is 
because when for Tabula was it 

1138
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:41,040
was presented, it took the 
Diaries as the absolute truth of

1139
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:46,720
them so that everything and it 
had to be portrayed without any 

1140
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,399
other context. 
So if it's said that he was, you

1141
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:54,200
know, really miserable and, you 
know, feeling like suicide or 

1142
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,240
whatever, or whatever he was 
saying at the time because he 

1143
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,680
did a bad day, that was what 
they focused on. 

1144
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:07,880
And it just it just wake me up. 
I think he knew damn well he, he

1145
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:13,600
expected that the Diaries would 
be read and yeah, quite possibly

1146
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,800
published because. 
He never asked for, he never 

1147
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,080
asked them for them to be 
destroyed. 

1148
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,000
No, but what I mean is that I 
there's there's sometimes you 

1149
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,680
read his Diaries and you think 
you've written that with a date 

1150
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,440
to the future. 
That's that's too cute that if 

1151
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:29,200
you know what I mean. 
It's that's too knowing because 

1152
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,840
there's a bit where he's watch, 
he's at home, late 60s. 

1153
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,280
He's watching the television and
it's and it's basically it's an 

1154
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,720
interview with John Lennon and 
Yoko Ono when they're doing the 

1155
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:41,760
Yeah, hidden or the bagging or 
one of. 

1156
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,440
Oh, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 

1157
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:44,120
remember. 
Yeah. 

1158
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:50,880
But he's being wilfully ignorant
and no one can be this ignorant.

1159
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,920
Certainly not somebody in 1969 
in Britain who's in show 

1160
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,560
business. 
Yeah, no, absolutely. 

1161
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:01,000
He said something wrong was I 
watched this terrible interview 

1162
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,040
with with a beetle and such and 
such. 

1163
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,080
I think it might be. 
Is he called Ringo Starr? 

1164
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
You know, and then it just 

1165
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,680
continued to sort of like drip 
bile onto the page about how 

1166
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,680
disgraceful it always it just 
think, you know, for, you know, 

1167
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,280
dare well. 
But you know, that's what I 

1168
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,760
mean, because because my my 
strong feeling is that when he 

1169
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,640
was writing stuff like that, he 
was just being a Waspy bitch, 

1170
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,520
like going a man. 
And I don't even know that lie 

1171
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,160
goes out with the name as I 
don't even know. 

1172
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:40,120
But you know, I think that as 
you see in sometimes you'll meet

1173
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,440
people and he loves them and 
sometimes you meet people that I

1174
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:45,280
don't because he's you don't 
know what the code takes of the 

1175
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:46,320
rest of the day. 
Is. 

1176
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,040
It just baffles me that people 
will accept that somebody could 

1177
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:57,720
have different faces to the 
world, but somehow believe that 

1178
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,880
if you write it down, that must 
be the way they actually feel 

1179
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,440
instead of it just being another
face to the world. 

1180
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,080
It just happens. 
That is one that's written down.

1181
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,920
So, so when you come to make 
things like Fantabulosa, she's 

1182
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:17,080
very well made and like, which 
is very good as you know, as As 

1183
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,520
for a facsimile of them, but it 
doesn't get near them. 

1184
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:28,120
You know, you, there's never any
sense of, of, of, of, of getting

1185
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,200
built. 
You have to get, you always have

1186
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,000
to get beyond the diary. 
Yeah. 

1187
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:36,000
See the person who's writing the
diary and not just what it says 

1188
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,880
anyway you. 
Could you could learn a lot 

1189
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:43,200
about Kenneth Williams by 
listening to the entire Just a 

1190
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,120
Minute back catalogue? 
Oh yeah, yeah, you can do it 

1191
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:48,800
because. 
He lets things, he lets things 

1192
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,760
slip about his personal life 
that often, not often, but 

1193
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,360
occasionally, you know, in 
little bits here and there. 

1194
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,800
Sometimes you especially when 
he's does, when he's when he 

1195
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:04,200
became a talk show animal and 
sometimes depending on how, 

1196
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,280
because the theme is that I 
think the most telling one is 

1197
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,680
the Aspen company one with Laria
sweat and Dennis Taylor, because

1198
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,440
he's clearly not well. 
He's clearly visibly he's not 

1199
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:18,200
well. 
And he just launches into the 

1200
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,800
story about, you know, doesn't 
even wait to be honest. 

1201
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,320
And he just starts talking about
going to, you know, getting his 

1202
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,520
barium meal and set up. 
Put your bum on. 

1203
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,200
Yeah. 
And he and he does that great 

1204
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,800
lane where they say you have a 
spastic colon, you know, as if I

1205
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,520
come in your money. 
And Loretta is just like dying 

1206
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,240
with laughter. 
And you think this is because he

1207
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,240
doesn't have anybody else to 
talk to. 

1208
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,640
You know, Louise, No, is losing 
it. 

1209
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:48,800
And, you know, he just friends 
are busy. 

1210
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,640
His always friends are younger. 
They're sort of busy people and 

1211
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,600
the the old, the people he has 
talked to are a chance you 

1212
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,680
audience and he gets a laugh. 
Everybody gets paid for him. 

1213
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:03,640
Whereas in other ones you just 
do anecdote, you know, the 

1214
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,920
theatrical anecdotes and all 
that sort of thing. 

1215
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:10,760
So you can you can tell a lot as
you see just by just by watching

1216
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,880
what he says on the tail, which 
is very lived. 

1217
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,400
But then at the same time, 
you'll go off and you'll record,

1218
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,200
you know what, Jack and Audie, 
you know, and it's fantastic 

1219
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,600
because he's invested in that, 
you know, I just think he was a 

1220
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,880
more fascinating character than 
most people are prepared to 

1221
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,400
accept. 
And it's just, again, it's just 

1222
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,680
easy. 
It's not lazy slight cliche of 

1223
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:39,040
the lordly homosexual who's no 
partner, never found love and 

1224
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:43,360
are just just turn it in. 
I'm intrigued about what this 

1225
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,600
forthcoming, although I know 
it's a troubled it's been it's 

1226
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,520
had a troubled production, but 
this forthcoming biopic about 

1227
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,480
Brian Epstein, is it Midas man? 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

1228
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,640
It's it's due out imminently, I 
believe, right, But it's been 

1229
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,560
it's been kept kind of under 
wrap squad. 

1230
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,360
There's there's been a trailer 
released. 

1231
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,360
I think that I just kind of 
think it's inevitably going to 

1232
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,480
be focusing on, of course, the 
rough trade and all the rest of.

1233
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:20,480
It of course, as yeah, and you 
know, every, every drama, even 

1234
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:24,280
though no matter what, you know,
the, the, the people love to see

1235
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:25,920
everything. 
So walking on big set, there's 

1236
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,720
not really very little changed a
lot of ways because every drama 

1237
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,760
but anybody who's gay has to be 
tragic. 

1238
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:39,080
They're poor, lonely, live 
trapped in those or they would 

1239
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,080
just spear me. 
It's like that, you know, the, 

1240
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,560
the the the narrative that's 
existed for someone about Judy 

1241
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,720
Garland. 
You never know I was giving you 

1242
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:56,280
and there's Judy Garland that 
sold this sort of a oh, she was 

1243
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,400
ravaged by drinking drugs and 
she had a terrible wiping up. 

1244
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:04,360
You know, I remember somebody 
put that to somebody asked a 

1245
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:08,320
question of that to Vincent 
Price, who was quite a close 

1246
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,360
friend of Judy Garland's. 
And Vincent Price said, you 

1247
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,520
know, that she had a problem. 
She had been she she had a great

1248
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,840
life. 
She loved the life, she loved it

1249
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:22,120
and she loved drama and she 
loved, you know, be fading from,

1250
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,480
you know, she loved being in the
papers and, you know, she didn't

1251
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:28,680
have a tragic life. 
She had a dramatic life. 

1252
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:33,560
That's a very different thing, 
you know, and people are they 

1253
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:37,760
just love to project themselves 
on to them and think, well, I 

1254
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:42,040
was, you know, it's imagine 
living like that. 

1255
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,200
It's all that sort of deal with 
as Katie Bowman to see that that

1256
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,240
the middle class here. 
Some pitch starts here, Muriel. 

1257
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,720
So pitch starts. 
You can hardly speak here, 

1258
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,600
Muriel. 
Yeah, everybody's everybody 

1259
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,640
who's gay is tragic. 
Everybody who's a woman on their

1260
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,960
own who's older must be must be 
lordly and desperate. 

1261
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,000
You know, ton to change the 
record. 

1262
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,400
You know, it's just, it's just 
so old. 

1263
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,560
When, when did the tide turn in 
terms of. 

1264
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,720
I mean, I I always say you'll 
maintain that among the first 

1265
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:25,160
positive representations of 
homosexuality on certainly the 

1266
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:26,720
the small screen. 
Yeah. 

1267
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,520
Well, I'm, I'm thinking in terms
of comedy. 

1268
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,720
Yeah. 
Was agony. 

1269
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:33,320
More. 
Yeah. 

1270
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,280
Well, yeah, possibly, yeah. 
Yeah, because, I mean because. 

1271
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:40,200
I think Clarence and the Dick 
every shows a very positive. 

1272
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,080
Oh yeah. 
Personally. 

1273
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:45,360
True, I know your argument for 
that, yeah. 

1274
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,640
Yeah, there's a character who's 
never, who's never as tragic and

1275
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,320
never as never as tragedy 
transported it looks like he's. 

1276
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:57,000
Saying that, Mister Humphries is
constantly upbeat, more or less,

1277
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:57,800
isn't he? 
He's never. 

1278
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,400
Well, he is, yeah. 
But they do that thing, they 

1279
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,160
give up with it, you know, where
he's sort of at the end where 

1280
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,320
they try and make out that he's 
actually straight and all that. 

1281
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,640
Yeah, yeah. 
Which was a bit of a late down, 

1282
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,440
but yeah, it's Mr. Humphries 
most of the time is. 

1283
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:16,080
And you know what I really like 
about that, that the thing as 

1284
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,600
well is that it's the 
relationship he has with Mr. 

1285
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,880
Lucas. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1286
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,640
We are with the pals and they 
work together, but just every 

1287
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,760
day, which is exactly what 
happens in the workplace. 

1288
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,880
I mean, you want the song looks 
like something straight. 

1289
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,240
You know what? 
He says there's a better kind of

1290
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,240
man with the set up as he says 
I'll be behind Captain P got his

1291
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,200
and and Miss Obviously I'll be 
behind Mr. Lucas. 

1292
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:43,640
He says no, I'd rather I was 
behind Mr. Yeah, and it's just 

1293
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,680
it's just like one of those 
little I mean, like tossed to be

1294
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,360
lane. 
That's the best way to. 

1295
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:53,200
That's actually really the good 
way to represent a working 

1296
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:54,760
relationship between. 
They are. 

1297
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,200
Mates, yeah. 
They are mates and and Lucas has

1298
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:02,920
got no issues whatsoever. 
No hang ups, you know, but 

1299
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,480
they're having their little 
chats, you know, but what they 

1300
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:09,560
were doing at the weekend that 
was late, you know, that was I 

1301
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,240
was left with her. 
Does not like you. 

1302
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:19,440
Is it not a proper workplace 
relationship, you know? 

1303
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:26,000
OK, then I think this is an 
ideal little segue, a little 

1304
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,360
segue into the last, last 
talking point here. 

1305
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,240
Right. 
Which I'll choose from the 

1306
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:39,280
staying with AE being served, 
Mr. Mesh or Mr. Harmon. 

1307
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,520
Mr. Harmon. 
Mr. Harmon. 

1308
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:42,880
Don't you have to think about 
that? 

1309
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,160
Really. 
Yeah, OK. 

1310
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,320
I mean, I don't, but what about 
is fine, you know? 

1311
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,600
But for a start, he's playing 
older, which annoys me. 

1312
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,640
But there's only little bits of 
business that are for English as

1313
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:02,120
clearly put in himself. 
Do you know, like second rolling

1314
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,600
round the water, wait for the 
sunshine whenever he comes on, 

1315
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:11,440
which is clearly he's still up. 
The also the figure of calling 

1316
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:15,000
all his assistants things like 
Warrick and Stanford. 

1317
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:20,120
It's clearly he's made-up. 
They finally always wears a 

1318
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,480
suit, you know, actually wears a
nice short tie. 

1319
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,520
I think it's a really 
interesting way. 

1320
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:32,200
Well, he's always thumbing 
through pistols of of banknotes,

1321
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:33,560
isn't he? 
He's always seems to be. 

1322
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,200
Yeah, because the because that's
the conceit that they're all 

1323
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,680
trying to emit middle class, 
because he accepts that he's 

1324
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,760
working class that does loads of
overtime and he gets double time

1325
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,800
and time and 1/2 that he gets 
huge. 

1326
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:50,800
What's well, they are all 
struggling away because you know

1327
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,280
if you and he's actually I think
he actually says to them, but 

1328
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,120
one point if you was or that may
have been Mr. Marsh. 

1329
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,720
Actually, if you if you were 
except that you were working 

1330
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:03,160
quite but most I can't do the 
Mr. Marsh is fine, but the Mr. 

1331
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:10,200
Harmon is like that, that 
series, 4-5 and six, a peak 

1332
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:14,480
because you get, you've still 
got, you get the dream team of 

1333
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:19,880
Harmon, Lucas and Granger. 
Granger, Yeah. 

1334
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:24,640
And then Series 6, that's 45. 
And then the Series 6, you've 

1335
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,560
got Harmon, Lucas and Goldberg. 
Alfie Bass, Yeah. 

1336
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:34,080
Yeah, who's great. 
But then it starts to go about 

1337
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:39,120
right, because then you've got 
like Mr. Spooner, and then then,

1338
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,920
you know, I'd struggle. 
And old Mr. Grace, who's? 

1339
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,240
Oh yeah, who's terrible. 
And I really don't understand 

1340
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:49,040
that because, you know, I've, 
I've this thing that Harold 

1341
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,080
Bennett is actually the best 
actor in all things because he's

1342
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,480
phenomenally good. 
People don't sort of give him 

1343
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:59,480
enough credence. 
You know, the, the, the, the, 

1344
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,400
there's the seat at his office 
when he's getting fitted for 

1345
01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:07,920
these pets. 
And he and he said, put these on

1346
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,760
and he holds up a mirror and 
he's because his handshake so 

1347
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,720
much and he says, are we having 
an earthquake? 

1348
01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:19,560
But his delivery is so great. 
And then they say that's a new 

1349
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:24,400
glasses that goes under there 
would be a little and they say 

1350
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,760
no, no, they make you they make 
you look like Elton John. 

1351
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:31,720
They said, watch no comfort just
delivered so brilliantly. 

1352
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,120
But let's say poof, imagine 
that. 

1353
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:39,000
Run it down. 
So yeah, that's that's that's 

1354
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,440
our stone Ginger. 
Mr. Harmon all the way. 

1355
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:42,520
Fair. 
Enough. 

1356
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,000
He was also and the, the, the IT
was about the shame as well, 

1357
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,720
because you know, and in 
sickness and health, which I've 

1358
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,800
also gone on at Wingfield. 
He was meant to be in the 60s, 

1359
01:22:54,920 --> 01:23:00,080
but he was old. 
So weirdly they get James 

1360
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,680
Ellison. 
He's not very good. 

1361
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:07,320
And then he had that he had that
sort of a do you remember he was

1362
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,680
on walking off on English and 
that his wife had left him. 

1363
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,160
No. 
Oh yeah, it was really awkward. 

1364
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,720
Really. 
His wife left him quietly odd 

1365
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:22,920
and he was getting interviewed 
on walking and he sort of 

1366
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,520
appealed his wife to come back 
to. 

1367
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:29,360
My God, Yeah, it was really bad.
I think it was one of those sort

1368
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:34,120
of a, you know, stars of Music 
Hall or so my kind of member, 

1369
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,760
but I need written an 
autobiography, which was one of 

1370
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:41,840
those sort of looked like it had
been self published, but just 

1371
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:46,320
was like a kick in the ass above
been self published, which was a

1372
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,120
perfect. 
Like Donna Sterling, Jack 

1373
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,120
Douglas. 
Well, honestly, I've got so many

1374
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,360
of these autobiographies that 
like Vince Piles 1 and all that.

1375
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,040
Oh, really? 
I've got it. 

1376
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,600
I kind of met some, like from 
rags to riches or something. 

1377
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:07,160
So riches is pushing it. 
Tell me a strange thing in Vince

1378
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:15,200
piles all biography which I 
thought was so Vince Powell was 

1379
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,280
a very close friends with Jimmy 
Jewell, as you'd imagine. 

1380
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,520
Oh, sorry, sorry. 
Just just one moment, Chris, 

1381
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,000
before you carry on. 
Just in case people don't know, 

1382
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,200
Vince Powell, writer of On the 
Buses. 

1383
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,840
On the buses Manger language, 
Manger language I created 

1384
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:36,880
nearest dearest and yeah, I I 
also a lot of these setcoms that

1385
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,800
we mentioned earlier, they were 
always coming up with set comps 

1386
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:41,320
that didn't work because that's 
what you did. 

1387
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:47,240
You know, the, the, the, the BBC
might do this sort of very 

1388
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:51,000
swanky comedy plea host things 
or the but most of the time 

1389
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,440
companies would just come up 
with so it would make Granada or

1390
01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:57,680
Yorkshire be commissioner. 
Yeah, I mean very formulaic. 

1391
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,840
Yeah, Vince Pyle and Harry 
Driver come up with a set 

1392
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,320
conference this year, please. 
We'll do 6 episodes. 

1393
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,880
If they work, we do another one 
next year. 

1394
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,520
Yeah, and I bet some of the 
sets, as you see, were the 

1395
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,120
biggest. 
That's good. 

1396
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,160
All the buses were the biggest 
show in the country ever all the

1397
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,560
time it was on. 
So he did. 

1398
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,040
Well, anyway, he's a big pal 
with Jimmy Jewel. 

1399
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,280
And as he says in the book, and 
they're always going, you know, 

1400
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,880
going to be together and 
whatever we should regret. 

1401
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,040
I mean, I, I imagine be powers 
with Jimmy Jewel. 

1402
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:30,360
That would be amazing. 
I can imagine dude ball in the 

1403
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,560
Jack everything crash fantastic.
He's in one foot in the grave, 

1404
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,280
of course, isn't he? 
Yeah, it's so much. 

1405
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,840
He was a great actor. 
You know he used to turn up 

1406
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:45,680
Grace the office. 
I will drowned and decrease so. 

1407
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:46,680
All right, OK. 
Yeah. 

1408
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,960
Yeah, I can remember the police,
the granddad, He's just bowling 

1409
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,600
the Jack and all that. 
OK. 

1410
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,640
So anyway, he's an episode 
episodes of who'd done it as 

1411
01:25:55,640 --> 01:26:00,720
well. 
So and the book the great pals 

1412
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,360
and having this way the 
families. 

1413
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,920
They all go to Spain. 
It mentions us a lot every year 

1414
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,120
they go. 
It's been to this particular 

1415
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,280
police. 
It's been a particular beach to 

1416
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,680
the lake, whatever it was just 
you know, whatever doesn't 

1417
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,680
matter and they went there year 
after year and then Jamie Jewell

1418
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:21,120
died place him because we're a 
little older theaters. 

1419
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:26,800
I need intimated that he wanted 
this gaseous to be scattered on 

1420
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:33,720
this beach in Spain. 
Fine, but if the weird thing was

1421
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,560
he, then he then there's a 
little throwaway like where he 

1422
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:42,960
says that basically what he says
is it that I had to wait for a 

1423
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,040
few years till his family came 
up with the money to pay for me.

1424
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:59,400
Go and do it. 
That was your best, No, to be to

1425
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:03,160
be generous to him. 
Perhaps it was because he was 

1426
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:04,680
officially, you know, taking the
ashes. 

1427
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,160
And they do charge a lot of 
money, you know. 

1428
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,560
So maybe maybe he was, you know,
because there's a lot of money, 

1429
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,760
but he doesn't say that, you 
know, you think you'd say 

1430
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,360
unfortunately there's a big 
cause to do with that. 

1431
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,440
So we had to work something out 
between US and we were able to 

1432
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:22,400
go into it. 
You know what I mean? 

1433
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,840
Yeah, but he just, he just says 
it as if, well, you know, it's 

1434
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,200
actually just stayed on the 
shelf until they copped up the 

1435
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:32,160
money for me to go to Spain. 
And then the beach, just by the 

1436
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,400
beach bar with the parasols up. 
Well, he wasn't Vince Power 

1437
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,320
wasn't one for elaborate 
descriptive writing. 

1438
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:42,400
That's basically. 
This is not well at all. 

1439
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:46,920
Alan played Sir. 
He was not. 

1440
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:54,040
No anyway. 
I think we'll have to draw this 

1441
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:58,600
to a close, Chris. 
It's been, it's been thoroughly 

1442
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:02,200
enjoyable and it's been a 
change, a slight change of tack.

1443
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,040
Yeah, I. 
Like that. 

1444
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,920
I like that format. 
I think you could pretend that 

1445
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:10,000
effect, whatever it is that it's
attached to. 

1446
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:16,320
I just just like to shake things
up a little bit and and and I'd 

1447
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,640
like to maybe do this again and.
Absolutely. 

1448
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,760
I'm always here. 
We never we never close. 

1449
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,640
It could be like your your 
version of the Colbert question 

1450
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,600
here where you just people just 
pick the numbers. 

1451
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:29,880
Yeah. 
You have a set list, you just 

1452
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,080
pick the numbers. 
Should I quickly should I 

1453
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,400
quickly read out a couple of 
questions that are on the list 

1454
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,120
that we didn't get a chance to? 
Yeah, go for it. 

1455
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:38,640
Or see what this is, what I 
could have won. 

1456
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,400
OK. 
I mean, you have we have kind of

1457
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,120
covered some of these already, 
like for example, memorable TV 

1458
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,240
interviews with comedians. 
So there. 

1459
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:54,120
You go right kind. 
Of covered that which 76 comedy 

1460
01:28:54,120 --> 01:29:00,840
holds up today? 
Well, what's What should Eric 

1461
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,880
Sykes be cheeky remembered for? 
What do? 

1462
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,880
You mean right, All right, we 
should do. 

1463
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,240
We should come back to that. 
Shall I, shall I save the rest 

1464
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:08,800
of these? 
And we can. 

1465
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,320
Come. 
Yeah, Yeah, because I'll tell 

1466
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,160
you what's not the 19th hole, 
I'll tell you that. 

1467
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,120
Straight down the middle over at
the tail and turn it off. 

1468
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,160
Thanks again to Chris. 
OK, there we are. 

1469
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,520
I I really enjoy doing that and 
so did Chris, I think. 

1470
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,040
And while normal service resumes
next week, I would like to 

1471
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,040
return to this format 
occasionally, so I'd welcome 

1472
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,360
your feedback. 
There's just time for me to 

1473
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,160
mention that the latest episode 
of Goon Pod Film Club was up. 

1474
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:42,080
It's on A Hard Day's Night and 
you can try a 7 day free trial 

1475
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,040
on patreon.com. 
If you aren't already a member 

1476
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,960
and want to give it a listen, 
that's patreon.com/goon Pod. 

1477
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:53,000
Next week, another film. 
And please start thinking of 

1478
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,480
questions you'd like me to put 
to Ted Kendall, who will be 

1479
01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:58,280
returning to Goon Pod before 
Christmas. 

1480
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,560
It'll be a special listeners 
questions episode and should be 

1481
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:06,480
a lot of fun. 
You can message me on Twixter on

1482
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:10,680
Facebook or 
tyler.adams1974@gmail.com. 

1483
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,880
And and please make the 
questions as specific or 

1484
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,320
esoteric as you want. 
No questions. 

1485
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:18,680
Like, what's your favorite 
crisps? 

1486
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:21,080
No, make it as nerdish as you 
like. 

1487
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:24,680
So yeah, that, that, that. 
That'd be great if you can get 

1488
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,360
those questions to me in the 
next few weeks and months. 

1489
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,520
Anyway, Enough for me. 
I've got to go and reacquaint 

1490
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,880
myself with my children who see 
me so rarely they think I'm a 

1491
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,400
rumour. 
I'll see you next week. 

1492
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,400
Take care. 
Bye.