1 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:31,560 None. Midnight o'clock and a half 2 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,240 quarter 6 7/8 Are there are birds sleeping peacefully in the 3 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,520 hostel, Fred? I'll say that again. 4 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:02,340 Sleeping peacefully in the Hotel Fred, Are the delightful young 5 00:01:02,340 --> 00:01:07,360 newlyweds Nugent and Mrs. Dirt. Suddenly from the room we hear, 6 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Oh, look at these bumps. Hello and welcome to Goon Pod. 7 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,360 My name is Tyler Adams and the Goon show is 75 years old. 8 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:08,280 Let's party like it's 1951. It's also exactly 5 years since 9 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,760 the first episode of Goon Pod dropped, which conveniently 10 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,720 coincided with the goon's 70th anniversary, and I haven't 11 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,880 looked back. I am denied. 12 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,840 For ages. I was trying to work out how to 13 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,440 mark both milestones, and I'm going to call it a milestone 14 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,800 Goon Pod being five years old. But but more importantly, the 15 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,680 Goon Show is 75 years old. And then it hit me what to do 16 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,560 because they say that the key to a a successful show is making 17 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,760 something you'd actually want to listen to yourself. 18 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,720 And if it's any good, then an audience will follow and thank 19 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,560 God for that, because without listeners, what's the point? 20 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,480 They're the the lifeblood of the show. 21 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:54,360 And over nearly 250 episodes, many of, many of them have gone 22 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,000 from being listeners to actual guests to, to friends in some 23 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,800 cases. And I've met some, some 24 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,760 genuinely fascinating people doing this podcast. 25 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,320 And so I thought, what, what better way to celebrate the Goon 26 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,160 Show and, and Goonpod than to invite a group of listeners 27 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,040 who've, who've never been on before to, to talk about and 28 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,800 share their Goon show stories and memories. 29 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,760 So simple as that. So that's, that's what we're 30 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,880 doing. There's no rules, there's no 31 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,160 structure, just a, a, a very loose freewheeling chat about 32 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,840 all things Goon and hopefully something entertaining will 33 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:37,000 arise from it. So I have, I have 6 new friends, 34 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,280 listeners who have joined me. They're all virgins when it 35 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,600 comes to Goon pod. They have not been guests 36 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,920 before. So we've only just met as well. 37 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,200 So it's a little bit awkward at first. 38 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,200 These things always are. So I thought we'd just sort of 39 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,680 ice break and, and go round the table. 40 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,880 And so I'd like to invite each of you. 41 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,600 I'll, I'll, I'll introduce you and invite each of you to, to 42 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,560 tell us who you are, where you're from and, and briefly 43 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,960 sort of how, where and when you first discovered the goons or 44 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,280 the goons show. So I thought, let's, should we 45 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,120 start with Martin? Martin Eggleston, I'm here. 46 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,640 Hello, Martin. So, yeah. 47 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,560 So where are you from? What's your What's your 48 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,959 background with the goons? Well, I'm at the moment I'm, I'm 49 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:22,280 in Abingdon, just just South of Oxford, so not in some very 50 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:26,760 exciting time zone. But I did grow up in many 51 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,840 different countries and that's relevant because I really didn't 52 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:35,880 have much of an education of British humour, British radio 53 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,840 comedy at all. But my parents were both born in 54 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:44,320 the 1940s and I can pinpoint almost exactly the moment that I 55 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,320 first heard The Goons. And it was a cassette. 56 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,800 It was the Treasure of Loch Lomond. 57 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,080 And we were in a car. And this was the first time that 58 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,680 I'd been in a car that had a tape player, that we were able 59 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,640 to listen to something other than the radio. 60 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,920 And my parents were fairly, fairly straight. 61 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,200 I'd never really seen them giggle. 62 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:09,280 I'd never seen them laugh. And this tape went in and those 63 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,600 opening 1012 seconds of the Treasure of Loch Lomond. 64 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,200 I was absolutely smitten. I'd never seen my father laugh 65 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,160 so much. It was it was just remarkable. 66 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Is that that that I don't you? You probably talked about this 67 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,520 episode before, but it's when suddenly one false move and a 68 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,320 horse whip you with this put me down. 69 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,240 That moment that, that, that 2 seconds just was, it was, it was 70 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:34,040 unbelievable. I, I thought, how on earth are 71 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,680 they doing this? It's a cartoon. 72 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,800 It's a, it's a special effect. It's, it's word play, but it's 73 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,240 character. I, I was just absolutely blown 74 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,800 away. I was probably about 14 or 15 at 75 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,640 this point and I was there. Then I suddenly became 76 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,040 voracious. I grabbed all the cassettes. 77 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,240 I mean, it was just, it became an obsession I think for a 78 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:55,800 couple of years. I joined the Green Show 79 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,120 Preservation Society as a teenager and then I grew up and, 80 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,240 you know, life went on and then I just fell back in love with it 81 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,320 about probably about 4-5 years ago. 82 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,000 But it was for a long time and it was, it was really quite 83 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,160 important to me. I became a big fan of The 84 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Beatles. I started to watch a lot of 85 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,800 Peter Sellers films, a lot of read the Spike Milligan war 86 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,920 memoirs and I and it was it. But it really was that that that 87 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,880 moment on a motorway on the M6, age 14, that was just 88 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,640 absolutely, it was a baptism of of mirth. 89 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,560 This is the BBC Home Service. Let that be listen to you. 90 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,560 I'll strike you down South. Don't you dare raise your Radio 91 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,360 Times to me. One first move and I will horse 92 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:40,280 whip you with this echoes. You must stop wearing those 93 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:41,600 leather suits. Shut up, both of you. 94 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,360 Kindly allow me. Please. 95 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,000 Kindly allow me to announce the highly esteem. 96 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,200 You come in too quick then, Mr. Conductor. close your eyes. 97 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,160 Get up, man. Get up. 98 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,040 Stop talking about that silly little hole in your head. 99 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:09,640 I was in a car once with two older cousins who who were 100 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,760 unaware of the Goon show and I just got the tape of I think 101 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,200 it's the the tape with with 1985 on one side and shifting sands 102 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,440 on the other I think and I insisted on playing it in the 103 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,240 car. I was about 1516 thinking they 104 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:30,040 would be poleaxed by it and it was Stony faced all the way 105 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,920 every, you know, shifting sands, even the the scene with blood 106 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,080 Knock and and Colonel Chinstrap Naria Titter. 107 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,080 So that was the most It's one of those awful situations where 108 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,560 you're in a trap space and no one's laughing and it's a thing 109 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,840 you love. You know what I mean? 110 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,640 Anyways, enough about me. OK, Thank you, Martin. 111 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,120 So Colin that we've got Colin and Colleen. 112 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,680 So very similar names. It could. 113 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,040 Be well my husband's name is Colin so we I go through this. 114 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,560 Oh wow, could you not have married someone called Trevor or 115 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,080 something? Colin. 116 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,800 Colin from Australia. Colin Fee. 117 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,920 Hello, Colin. Hello, Tyler. 118 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,880 Yes, I'm in Melbourne, Australia. 119 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,640 It's 5:00 in the morning this morning. 120 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,320 Yeah, it's OK, That's OK. My goon journey started when I 121 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,280 was a teenager as well. I'd grown up in rural Australia 122 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,120 in Albury, NSW, where at the time there were only two TV 123 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,480 stations, a commercial one and good old Auntie ABC. 124 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,320 And so I grew up on a diet of, of British comedy, essentially. 125 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,960 And my parents had a subscription to Reader's Digest 126 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,799 and occasionally we'd buy these box sets of records and my dad 127 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:44,280 bought the seven volume disc set of the Goons with. 128 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:46,440 The orange with the orange cover. 129 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:48,880 The orange cover and the fantastic drawings on all of 130 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,480 the. Yeah, I got that. 131 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,280 Album covers, yes. Yes. 132 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,760 So you know, the first one I listened to was the dreaded 133 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,480 Batter Pudding Hurler and like Martin I was hooked. 134 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:04,040 And, and then I discovered that the ABC radio would play a goon 135 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,760 show at midday on a Saturday. And so I, I would stay every 136 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,840 Saturday with the tape recorder recording him on to tape. 137 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:15,880 And so my collection grew. And I guess like yourself too, I 138 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,440 was hooked into my 20s. Then I went off to university 139 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,360 and, and it faded a little bit until I discovered that the 140 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,440 student union had a listening room where you could go in and 141 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,800 select a tape and get some headphones and plug yourself 142 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,440 into your station and lose yourself for an hour or two. 143 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,800 And they had a vast screenshot collection as well. 144 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,440 And so I managed to, let's say, obtain a few copies from there. 145 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,600 Yeah, we've all done it. Are we exactly right? 146 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,400 We've all done it. And then I started like everyone 147 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,760 else, reading Spikes books and the Green Show scripts and 148 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,040 maintaining my interest in British comedy ever since. 149 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Very good. Very good. 150 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,280 OK, so from from Colin, let's let's go to Colleen. 151 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,560 Hello, Colleen. Colleen Dawson. 152 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,440 And you are. You're one of those American 153 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,280 people, aren't you? I'm AUS citizen, may I be 154 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,760 forgiven? Yeah, sorry. 155 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,320 Yes. Where are you based? 156 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,920 I am based in the roaring metropolis of Loyal Wisconsin, 157 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,040 population 1258. Oh wow. 158 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,600 OK. That's about 150 miles east of 159 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:36,720 Minneapolis, MN. OK, and how, how the Dickens did 160 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,320 you ever come to hear about the Goon Show? 161 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,480 Well, I was a little older. I was 15 years old and I was 162 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,680 starting to expand my horizons a little bit and got tired of 163 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,880 listening to the AM Top 40 radio. 164 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:58,360 So I started tuning into Wisconsin Public Radio, which is 165 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,160 taxpayer or was taxpayer funded. It's lost that due to our 166 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:08,600 current unpleasantness. But and I was listening to one 167 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:14,240 of the news programs and as it ended they said TuneIn tonight 168 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:19,200 for British comedy from the BBC when we air the Goon Show and 169 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,800 I'm going. I thought up until then the only 170 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:29,280 Bbci had heard was on this enormous transoceanic shortwave 171 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,960 radio that my father had that had valves. 172 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,560 You know it was the real. Oh yeah. 173 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,560 And it didn't come in very well. So I thought, well, I'll, I'll 174 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:40,560 stick around and I'll turn it on at 7:00 and listen and see what 175 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:45,640 this is all about. Well, it was turned out to be 176 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:51,000 The Sleeping Prince was the first show, and so by the 4th 177 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,760 time I'd heard the Yekabatul national anthem, I was obsessed. 178 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,440 I I have that as the ringtone on my phone. 179 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:00,720 Yeah. Yes. 180 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:06,600 Oh, brilliant. Yes, now, now I was, I was very 181 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,480 the the more off the wall and surreal the comedy was the 182 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,680 better I liked it because not only was I the class clown at 183 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:19,240 school, but I had to be the court just at home. 184 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:25,480 My parents relationship was contentious bit mildly and it 185 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,560 was up to me to sort of de escalate any drama that happened 186 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:31,800 to be going on. So anything funny I would just 187 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,720 latched on to. So that was how I got Yeah and I 188 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,040 was 15, it was 1974. So you do the math. 189 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:44,360 Wow, I assume you'd have. Yeah, that was a year before 190 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,520 Return of the Pink Panther, but I assume you'd heard of Peter 191 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,680 Sellers. We'll get put a pin in that. 192 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:51,600 We'll get to that later. OK, All right. 193 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,880 All right. Well, let's let's come back to 194 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,160 you then. Colleen, let's move on. 195 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,120 Ted, Ted Webb, are you there? Yes indeed, Yes I am. 196 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:00,640 Hello Ted. Hello. 197 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,840 Who are you and how are you and where are you and what are you? 198 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,400 Well, I was. I grew up in Portsmouth in 199 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,960 Hampshire on the South Coast of England and I now live in 200 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,800 Hastings further along, which is a a great place for the several 201 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,960 sort of show titles that mentioned places around here. 202 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:27,399 Bexhill on Is it the fireball of Milton? 203 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,160 Street. Yeah, that's, that's just, 204 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,920 that's just along the 259 here and and oh. 205 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,640 Sorry, sorry, Ted, sorry, sorry. Is Milton St. 206 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,480 Because we did that show relatively recently. 207 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,440 Is Milton St. an actual place? Yeah, very small. 208 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,800 Very small, yeah. Why is it called Bilton St. 209 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,600 If it's a village or whatever, what? 210 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,960 I don't know. This country, this country. 211 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,680 Sorry, Ted, you carry on. That's right now, yeah. 212 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:56,320 There's obviously Pevensey Bay, a disaster which I think was 213 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,680 redone as the Hastings flyer. Rob. 214 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:01,480 Yes, those ones were those people look back on. 215 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,400 And yeah, so there's quite a few links to to. 216 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,280 And obviously the he's he's buried in the the graveyard in 217 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,440 Wind Chelsea, which is sort of like a place to go to, to see. 218 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,280 But yeah. But as a lot of people have said 219 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,600 on your podcasts, it was my dad that got me into it and my 220 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:25,240 sister with a random C60, which for modern people, if it was a 221 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,760 cassette with 30 minutes of stuff on each side, I can't even 222 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,160 remember what was on the other side. 223 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,120 But on the first one I ever heard, and it's my favorite, not 224 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,120 necessarily the best, but my favorite was the the great 225 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,320 regions Park swim show 8. I don't think you've done this 226 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,000 one yet. I'm, I'm just a hope. 227 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:49,000 No, no, it's series 8 episode or I think I've done a little bit 228 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,280 of research because I thought you're the king of research and 229 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,160 stuff like that. So I've got to up my game a 230 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,720 little bit. Keep up the growling, Mario. 231 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,720 Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow. 232 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,240 Look here, my good man. It is imperative that I house my 233 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,480 tiger here tonight. You'll see. 234 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,280 It's his evening off, and I want him to spend it among friends. 235 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,960 Well, where you squeeze him into this Tiger's cage. 236 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:19,640 Here. And you go now to destroy Sigur 237 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,200 and that tiger skin. I know you growling like that at 238 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,520 me. I know you're a pony. 239 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,000 I can tell my power. I tell you, you can do very good 240 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,400 imitation about Tiger Underground. 241 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,920 I know the truth. There's only me on your tiger 242 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,960 cage in imitation. Tiger. 243 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,120 I tell you I'm I. Yes. 244 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,000 Ladies and gentlemen, listers are warned that the sound of 245 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,000 this scene is unsuitable for children. 246 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:49,480 Why? Why? 247 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:49,840 Why? Why? 248 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,360 Why? Because that animal you are 249 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,320 attacking is not Neddy, but a genuine Ben Gold tiger. 250 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,240 Steri Moriarty. Steri Mariarty. 251 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,520 You know that I charge 1000 lbs for using my invention, namely 252 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:13,160 the word help. Not quite sure where that would 253 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,160 have got this the cassette from because from looking on the on 254 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,520 the web it was only broadcast in 1982 and wasn't released before 255 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,520 that. But I don't know if he wouldn't 256 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,000 have recorded it off the air beforehand, but. 257 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,480 That's intriguing, yeah. I seem to remember I was about 258 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,680 10 or 8, but looking at when that show was broadcast it was 259 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,880 on radio 4/19/82, so maybe it was a long maybe I was a lot 260 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,640 older. It probably is likely that it 261 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,840 was that he was slightly older and it was from that 1982 262 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,920 repeat. I guess, I guess so. 263 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,880 Which would make sense. Yeah. 264 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,040 And yeah, I just just love the the I don't think I've ever seen 265 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,120 the 4th wall being smashed before in books or films where, 266 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,880 you know, they stopped talking and they talk out of count and, 267 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,320 you know, as themselves. And they make themselves giggle 268 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,520 and they talk about the show, you know, and Nettie Segan 269 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,200 refers to, you know, all these fans of the show, and I've never 270 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,000 seen that before. And Titan did it as well, which 271 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:17,240 again, I wouldn't have, I guess I would have seen at that point. 272 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,480 And I just loved it. Yeah, I've got, I've got a 273 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,000 feeling that's that's a show that a number of people, not a 274 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,480 number, but maybe two or three people have said, oh, you should 275 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,080 do that. I think it's one of those, even 276 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,920 though it's never really talked about, it's one of the strongest 277 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,960 shows from Series 8. Yeah. 278 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,080 So I definitely would like, in fact, maybe one day, Ted, you 279 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,320 could come on and talk about that show. 280 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,920 About that, that'll be fun. I'll I'll hold you to that. 281 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,840 I'll be very nervous, but I'll give it a go. 282 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,560 Well, let's let's let's go to Ian. 283 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,120 Ian Richards, Are you there, Ian? 284 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,280 I am. Hello. 285 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,320 Hello, Ian. I'm from near Portsmouth funnily 286 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,960 enough there's Ted Milton teams from Randy. 287 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,160 I am from Waterlooville, originally from London. 288 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,040 I'm from Waterlooville as well. Oh. 289 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,720 Really. God, I was trying to make this a 290 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:10,080 diverse show. I originally came across the 291 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,080 Goons when I was, I think I've been thinking about this. 292 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:18,440 I was probably around 5 or 6 and my dad sat me in front of a 293 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,800 massive tape to tape machine that he's had since he was a 294 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,160 teenager and he recorded episodes of the Goons from the 295 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,640 radio on to said machine. In in the 50s. 296 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,320 Yes, yes, indeed. Yeah. 297 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,520 So I have recently discovered that machine in my mum's house. 298 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,640 And the tapes. So I'm hoping that you never 299 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:43,920 know, there may be. Some. 300 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,280 There might be some gold in there. 301 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,480 It could well be. I honestly, I've been trying to 302 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,280 think what those episodes were that I can remember listening to 303 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,080 over and over again. And I know the dreaded batter 304 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:00,440 Pudding Hello was on there. I can't honestly think. 305 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,120 I think everything I can remember I've listened to 306 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:06,320 recently I think was probably on those tapes. 307 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,600 I don't think there's anything rare, but you never know. 308 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,240 I've yet to My mum moved recently, that's why I found the 309 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,080 machine. So I've I've yet to plug it in 310 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,680 and give it a go. So fingers because. 311 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,960 Even if back to putting her there was the episode of series 312 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:28,040 5 and we've got everything from series 5 onwards, more or less. 313 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,520 But we got a lot from series 4, but not everything. 314 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,240 So even if there was, you know, the odd show from Series 4 315 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,560 that's missing that you could turn up, that would be that 316 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,200 would be brilliant. It could be. 317 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,640 I don't, no pressure. I will make a point. 318 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,400 I actually got the machine out the other day when I visited my 319 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,920 mum to so yes I shall. I shall do that shortly and I 320 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,360 will keep you informed and obviously you'll you'll be aware 321 00:19:56,360 --> 00:20:03,760 of it when the auction comes up at highest bidders win. 322 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:12,320 So that that was my initial Goons entry and I would say it's 323 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,600 probably about 5 or 6 years later and I was listening to 324 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,120 those tapes over and over again. But like many people, I went to 325 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:23,720 the library and I found more Goons tapes and I vaguely 326 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,000 remember listening to them in the car on my way to my 327 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,920 granddad's travelling to London Radio 4 on a Saturday. 328 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:38,160 I think there was some repeats after new episodes of I'm sorry 329 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,760 I Haven't a Clue. Oh, wonderful. 330 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,600 Well, well, what a what a treat. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely 331 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,800 comedy gold for at least an hour on a Saturday afternoon. 332 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,440 And that sparked off my I was particularly interested even at 333 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,240 that young ages. I was, it was Spike that was 334 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:03,960 always my my centre of attention, more so than Harry 335 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,960 Seekum and Peter Sellers, and that's lasted me a lifetime. 336 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,480 I've been a a lifelong Spike fan. 337 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,760 I was been lucky to meet him and see him. 338 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,040 Oh. Wow and. 339 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:22,320 We'll, we'll come back to you on meeting Spike because I'm, I'm 340 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,720 conscious of the fact there's, there's one more person to to 341 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,480 bring in and he's been waiting very patiently and it is someone 342 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,400 else's stateside. It's Fred Velez. 343 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,000 I presume it's pronounced Fred. Is it? 344 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,640 Yes, it is Tyler. Fred Velez from the colonies, 345 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,160 like Colleen. Absolutely, absolutely. 346 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:47,000 We got, we got 111 Australian and two Yanks, if you'll excuse 347 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,520 it. But Fred, so yes, explain 348 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,600 yourself please. OK, well, I'm Fred Velez. 349 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,160 I'm an author. Actually. 350 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,720 I've written a couple of books on the Monkeys TV series and 351 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:07,640 their music, but I became aware of the Goons back in the 1970s. 352 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,600 I was like about 20 and because of my interest in The Beatles, I 353 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,960 had attended a Beatles convention back in 1974 in New 354 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,600 York City. I'm currently living in 355 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,560 Pennsylvania here in the States. And there was a fanzine by the 356 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,360 of The Beatles called Strawberry Fields Forever. 357 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,400 And I picked up a couple of issues. 358 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,680 And one of the issues was a mention of a review that John 359 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,000 Lennon gave of the Goon Show scripts that that just been 360 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,880 published. And I said, oh, this looks 361 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,240 interesting. And I decided to investigate it 362 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,040 and I was able to find copies of the books. 363 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,320 I thought, wow, this is interesting stuff. 364 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,080 A public radio station in New York City was playing The Goon 365 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,720 Show as well as episodes of I'm sorry, I'll read that again. 366 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,280 So I started listening to it and I was like, wow, this is amazing 367 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,040 stuff. No, this was definitely where 368 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,680 The Beatles got their humor. And as you understand it, Davy 369 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,280 Jones of the Monkeys, he was, he is from England, so he was 370 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,880 obviously aware and was of the of the Goon show there. 371 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,080 Well, he, he worked with Harry. He was on, he was in Pickwick, 372 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,360 wasn't he? Yes, he was. 373 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:28,600 I have a yes in my collection of Goon stuff. 374 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,520 I got a program of Pickwick signed by Harry Secombe, which, 375 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,440 yeah, and Davy Jones's pictures in there, which is, which is 376 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,520 very cool. See the the the danger is Fred, 377 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,360 of course, because the monkeys, if we start talking about the 378 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:45,520 monkeys, we'll be here all evening. 379 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,680 Of course, there's a there's a clear line from the goons to the 380 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,400 monkeys in the sense of of Dick Lester. 381 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,480 You've got Dick Lester works with Sellers and and Milligan 382 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,480 then goes on to make well, hard day's night. 383 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,640 But more importantly, help in the sense that, correct me if 384 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,840 I'm wrong, isn't isn't help a huge influence on what became 385 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,400 the Monkeys TV series? Yes, both the first two Beatle 386 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,920 movies were huge influences, but you could see a lot of it more 387 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,000 from Help where you know where it was. 388 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:22,360 Help had The Beatles pretty much playing caricature versions of 389 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:28,920 themselves and that's basically what was done in the Monkeys TV 390 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,360 series. And they had them going through 391 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:37,680 crazy escapades like in like in Help and I yes, go ahead. 392 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,600 Sorry, I was just, I was just going to jump, jump in with a 393 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:41,840 thought that's just occurred to me. 394 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,640 But I don't want to interrupt you, Fred. 395 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,480 That's right. This is This is Martin by the. 396 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,280 Way. This is Martin I have been 397 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,320 pondering the the the the similarities of it's it's 398 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,240 nothing new to compare the goons with The Beatles and the fact 399 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,160 that there was this trajectory between where they started and 400 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,280 where they finished in the 50s with comedy and in the 60s with 401 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,120 with with popular music. But one of the things that I 402 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,520 just wanted to point out because I haven't seen this may be my 403 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:15,240 failing, but the both sets, both teams were absolutely at the top 404 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,120 of their game in terms of comedy and music. 405 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,160 No question about that. But what really strikes me is 406 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,200 how the technology, how the in the case of the goons, it was 407 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,160 the the sound effects and the, the special effects and the, the 408 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,320 way that they use the radiophonic resources at their 409 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,600 at their disposal and then pushed them to the absolute 410 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,040 extreme in the service of the comedy. 411 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,800 And The Beatles did a very similar thing with Abbey Road 412 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,120 with the the technology at their at their hands. 413 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,840 They were like, OK, what, what can we do? 414 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,400 How can we make everything sound different? 415 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,520 And it seems a very similar, you know, in the service of the end 416 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,120 product. They didn't care what what 417 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,560 traditions they were breaking, how they were, how they were 418 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,000 trying to get to something that was a little bit further than 419 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,440 anybody else had achieved. And that that's just something 420 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,360 that I haven't, I haven't really seen commented on. 421 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,240 That's very interesting, especially when you consider the 422 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,520 fact that their producer, George Martin had also worked with the 423 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,480 goons. He he recorded since their their 424 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,720 singles and he did work with Peter Sellers. 425 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,080 So yeah. And. 426 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,920 And Milligan. And Benteen actually. 427 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,560 There's a lot of interconnections there. 428 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,640 One mahogany bedside cabinet with flowered porcelain nature 429 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:29,120 receptacle, 1 folklum twill and leash, and Timakasha. 430 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,920 One hippo white telescope tripod with a tarnished brass securing 431 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,200 screw. One in the table. 432 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:45,600 Martian Maharam one imitation marble washed and with 433 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,640 purification dish and fish attachment. 434 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,680 One anti burglar self preservative head bludgeon sand 435 00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:00,440 filled in hand sewn brown leather 2 cleverly and Quandric 436 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,280 hand operated brown oak candle holders with additional string. 437 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,400 One stuffed Galapagos giant turtle on wheels with clockwork 438 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,960 revolving iron who bottles of imitation wax fruit. 439 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,600 One banana ruefully chipped. Once the property of the late 440 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,600 Lord Frederick Crapton Lee of Monmouth. 441 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,560 OK, well one of the questions that I always ask or tended to 442 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,000 always ask on the show when discussing goon shows was did 443 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:42,120 you or do you now even skip the ray and Max numbers when you 444 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,840 have to do the shows? No, neither do. 445 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,720 I. No, never. 446 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,280 Never. Never. 447 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,880 No. Never. 448 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,040 I I had just, I had just finished reading Max's, Max 449 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,000 Gilray's autobiography, Go Goon with the Wind. 450 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,400 I just finished reading that. What a fascinating life that man 451 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,880 LED and just before the goons. But he was in the resistance, 452 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,880 Dutch resistance, wasn't he? I think and. 453 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,240 He was, yeah. Performing at the Glasgow Empire 454 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:19,360 probably had the edge on on defeating the Nazis, but but no, 455 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,200 I used to I for my sins, I think you probably have heard me say 456 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,800 there's a number of occasions when I was a callow youth. 457 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,760 I did used to sometimes. Well, always Fast forward Ray 458 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,080 and Max. I don't anymore because I think 459 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:34,040 I've, I've really grown to appreciate them and I did a show 460 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:41,760 with Neil Brand very, very recently and preparing for that. 461 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,120 I, some of you may have contributed. 462 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,560 I, I asked on Facebook on the group, what you know, what Ray 463 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,200 and Max songs do people enjoy the most. 464 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,400 And I got enough responses that I was able to put together a 465 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,000 good hour long playlist of, of Max and Ray numbers. 466 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,120 And I'm listening to that in the car, you know, now I'm, I'm 467 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,880 listening to, you know, I used to Fast forward through them. 468 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,920 Now I'm actually choosing to listen to them in the car. 469 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,520 You know, without goons. I was thinking about this 470 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:19,880 question and I can't honestly because there's so many songs. 471 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,680 I'm terrible at remembering titles and what have you. 472 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:29,120 But in thinking about the question, I would say I became a 473 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,480 writer and a musician playing Blues and jazz, and it's 474 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,240 possible that their music was an influence on my choices in in 475 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:45,480 musical genres when I got older. This is Ian listeners, by the 476 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,920 way. Ian Richards So what sort of 477 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,240 music do you play in? And do you do jazz and. 478 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,880 Blues generally is, would be the Blues particularly, but jazz as 479 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,400 and when I can, it's not the easiest type of music to play, 480 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,600 especially to the Ray Ellington standards. 481 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,240 But I, I was, I was listening to those, as I say, from sort of 482 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,360 the age of 5. And unconsciously I think they 483 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,800 probably did make make that decision for me. 484 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,760 Yeah, fair enough. Is there a particular piece of 485 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,560 music in the Goon Show that you enjoy? 486 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,280 Anyone. For me it's the joint Navy 487 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,800 orchestra bit that's. Snap free. 488 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,480 That's just going to say the same thing, yeah. 489 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,960 Yes, me too. That is dishonored. 490 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,520 I love it, especially the first version of it that was recorded 491 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,680 because when they do the whole Navy tunes and everything and 492 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,200 then Harry just comes right in to give the punchline and the 493 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,960 later required 1, the audience applauds after it and then he 494 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,600 gets the punchline and I like I like the earlier version better. 495 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,320 Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, Echoes has got a he. 496 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,760 He asks. He says, you know, I'm going to, 497 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,440 I've joined the Army. And then Echoes says why? 498 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,520 Or Spike. And then he says it's too damn 499 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,440 noisy in the Navy. And it doesn't, it doesn't need 500 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,120 that. It breaks the flow of it. 501 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,480 Yeah. But yeah, I've got the naval 502 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,480 medley. It's on it again. 503 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,680 Yeah, it's yeah, it's fantastic. The the the Wally stop. 504 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,640 I think you did a face on this, Tyler, that you know the amount 505 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,480 of songs that are in there and you can hear the musicians who 506 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,200 just having a whale of a time because they're not just doing 507 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,120 just not just doing blood knots thing or little intros. 508 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,200 It's a fool. Just just a 1 1/2 minutes. 509 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200 I think just for a just a gag like that, it's it's brilliant. 510 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,920 They're not just playing, going through the motions on Take It 511 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,400 From Here or whatever. They they they can let RIP. 512 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,400 Anyone else got a particular favorite piece of music? 513 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:58,640 Well for me my favorite Max Gildray number is a big band 514 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,920 tune called 1-2 Buckle Your Shoe. 515 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,720 That's he does in the Greenslade story. 516 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,760 Oh yeah. And my favorite Ray Ellington 517 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,560 piece is, I reckon it's love. And that deal is an insurance, 518 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,040 The white man's burden. Yeah, I cannot believe that that 519 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,240 was never issued as a as a record. 520 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,920 You know, I, I would love to get a copy of it, but it's it's 521 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,040 nowhere. The only place you can find it 522 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,640 is in that episode. Oh. 523 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,360 OK anyone else got a particular piece of music they want to? 524 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,760 Unchained Melody, I don't know if it counts, but I love. 525 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,120 I'll just love the idea of them just banging away here. 526 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,040 Unchained Melody, totally tunelessly. 527 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:26,510 Going home. Colin Yeah. 528 00:33:27,030 --> 00:33:29,950 So Tyler, when you asked on Facebook for pieces and I 529 00:33:29,950 --> 00:33:32,270 nominated long black nylons and I still do now. 530 00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:34,510 I don't know why whenever I think of the Goon Show, it 531 00:33:34,510 --> 00:33:40,310 starts playing in my head and OK, it's lives for rent free in 532 00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:43,510 my head, as they say. Yes, but, but I never used to 533 00:33:43,510 --> 00:33:49,560 appreciate all of the link music that Angela Morley did until you 534 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,120 started listening to shows like yours or reading about it and 535 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,760 thinking of just how good it was. 536 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,120 And I think you've discussed with other guests that the band 537 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,680 itself wasn't very big, but it sounds enormous. 538 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,520 It does, isn't it? One of the earliest goon shows I 539 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,920 heard was The Lost Emperor. That was probably the, I want to 540 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,360 say maybe the third. I think the first I know the 541 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,840 first one I ever heard was the last smoking sea good, which was 542 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,280 the last one. And then the second one was 543 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,400 Phantom head head shaver. I always get mixed up with 544 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,360 Phantom Raspberry blower. And almost definitely the third 545 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,520 one was the lost Emperor, which no one talks about. 546 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,719 I think it's a brilliant goon show and the music in that, the 547 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,159 Wally star arrangements and the the cinematic, the heft of it, 548 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,760 if you like, it's amazing. I was just thinking you've got 549 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,960 to take the context that that, that the light program and the 550 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,080 home service were really playing very dull music and, and Max the 551 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,120 Eldray and Ray Ellington, really very exciting. 552 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,440 They were really laying the foundations for rock'n'roll to 553 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,400 come. I feel if you listen to some of 554 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,400 the jazz guitar and on both of them, but, but particularly Ray 555 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,720 Ellington's work, there's there's, there's so much 556 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:03,720 excitement going on in in the music that, that you can't help 557 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,200 but feel this was all part and parcel of the education of the 558 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,120 young minds of Britain during the 50s that suddenly everyone 559 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,680 was waking up. There's new, new music out 560 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,040 there. There's stuff that we that and 561 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,640 they were hearing it every week, week after week. 562 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,000 It's very interesting that you mentioned that because you 563 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,360 remember that the young Beatles were listening to the Goon Show 564 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,720 and not only picking up on the humor, but I'm sure the music as 565 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,880 well. And this was during the early 566 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,600 days of rock'n'roll in the 1950s, so I'm sure they must 567 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,640 have picked up on that as well. And then you're right. 568 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,240 Ray Ellington, while he's playing jazz, it's on the very. 569 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,720 He's just on the cusp of rock'n'roll right there. 570 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,440 And he throws in something like that. 571 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,240 One of my favorite moments in the Goon Show was, I think, the 572 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,800 beginning of the canal where they introduced Wallace 573 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Greenslate as Wallace the pelvis. 574 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,840 Hell yeah. And he's doing. 575 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,120 See you later, Alligator, he says. 576 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:06,960 Put that pelvis back. What a screenslate. 577 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,000 Perfect foil for the goons. Perfect announcer for the goons 578 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,480 from the very. I mean, have have we all heard 579 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,480 the very limited available shows that have Andrew Timothy as the 580 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,880 announcer? It's colony. 581 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,600 I've only heard one and for the moment I can't recall what it 582 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,440 is, but you're right, it just with with wall in there, there's 583 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,600 a different spark to it all and he just fits. 584 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,520 Yeah, I've only heard the last goon show of all, which has 585 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,280 Andrew Timothy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 586 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,560 But I love the I love the the fact that Wallace Greenslade was 587 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,720 the was the foil, the straight lace, supposedly the straight 588 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:54,000 lace BBC announcer and the goons are like doing things to him, 589 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,480 which adds to the fun. Andrew Timothy, I've said this 590 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,280 before, sounds like he's there at gunpoint. 591 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,240 He doesn't sound like he's enjoying it at all. 592 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,760 Whereas Wallace Green say he's having a whale of a time And and 593 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,520 you know, I love the fact that he got his own show as well. 594 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,280 Oh yeah, that's one of my favourite Goon shows, the Green 595 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,720 Slate story, especially the interaction between Wallace and 596 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,880 and John Snag or. Snag Yes. 597 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,000 Yeah, I look here. What is? 598 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,840 There's a rumour going around the corporation that you're 599 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,920 thinking of leaving. Well, John, I have been getting 600 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,480 offers. But what is? 601 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,920 You're not going to leave us, remember? 602 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,640 You're British, dear John. What can I say? 603 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,920 What's the matter, Wallace? Aren't you happy with us? 604 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:53,680 Isn't isn't £3.10 a week enough? Not quite John, but man alive 605 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,320 you were. Free copy of the Radio Times 606 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:01,680 every week. I, I, I don't know, I hope that 607 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,280 for the rest of his life people used to come up to Alice 608 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,320 Greenslade and say winds like to variable. 609 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,960 That was his Canterbury. Yeah, but yeah, he didn't have 610 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,240 much of A life after the game show. 611 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,840 He died in 1960, sadly. Oh, gosh, I didn't know that. 612 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,120 Yeah, sorry, I'm always the one to put put a downer on things, 613 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:21,440 aren't I? Oh. 614 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,720 So you're the one. OK, Let me ask you Colleen, do 615 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,160 you have a particular stand out favorite show I do? 616 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,840 I've been Oh. Sorry, Colleen. 617 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,880 Colleen. Yeah, that's yeah, this is going 618 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,200 to be a problem. I think it's the Sahara Desert 619 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,080 statue. I love that. 620 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,320 I don't know why it's it. I don't think it was even one of 621 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,400 the first ones that I heard, but I just, I love the Music Hall 622 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,640 banter at the beginning of the show. 623 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,680 The first section is is taking up with, you know, crosstalk and 624 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,680 and I don't know why I but it's just it's just always really 625 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,000 made me laugh about poor Nettie standing in the Sahara. 626 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,880 With holding a rice pudding in. The yes, yes, yes. 627 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,240 And there must be something about the American Water. 628 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,720 I don't know, because the only other person I know who who 629 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,440 loves that show is that's his favorite show is one of your 630 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,200 compatriots, Sean Gaffney, who will be listening, who's been a 631 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,280 guest on the show. And and then when the number 8 632 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,160 touring company of the desert song comes along, it's it's I 633 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,640 just roll on the floor. It's I just love that show. 634 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,360 It's all over the place, but it's great. 635 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,160 Yes. Yeah, Colin, you came in. 636 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,280 Before. What were you? 637 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:47,840 What? Were you gonna? 638 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,520 Sorry, what? Were you gonna Say was your 639 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,520 favorite? I don't actually have a favorite 640 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,360 that I'm pinpoint. I've been mulling this over. 641 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,120 There's two that kind of stand out, and one is called the West. 642 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,800 Oh yeah. Because this the way Spike pokes 643 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,880 fun at the whole Western genre and I have a soft spot for the 644 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,760 lamppost. Evils A bushy spot. 645 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,360 Yeah, Oh, sorry. Yes, yes. 646 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,600 Evils A bushy spot. Yeah, that's it. 647 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,320 Yes, the bitch at the end with AE Matthews where it just 648 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,560 descends about chaos. A lot of people don't like that. 649 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,680 A lot of people find that annoying. 650 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,320 I think it's wonderful. Yeah, I love it. 651 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,040 Ted, you've been very quiet. That's right. 652 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,400 Yeah, I was. I was going to chip in with some 653 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,520 stuff about Wallace Greenslade. Oh, go ahead, go ahead. 654 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,560 Like you say, he doesn't take himself seriously at all. 655 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,920 He sends himself up in the way that Andrew Timothy didn't. 656 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,560 And he best of all, he can't act when he does. 657 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,360 He's he's he's, he's playing a dying Frenchman. 658 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,480 And I won't try and do the impression of it, but it's it's 659 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,640 and he's getting raspberries from the, the, the people behind 660 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,680 him and hoots of laughter and. That's in Napoleon's piano, 661 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,280 isn't it? Yes, must be, I suppose. 662 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,720 Yeah, I die. I die and. 663 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,200 What? I fought as he groaned. 664 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:00,880 Yes. Yeah. 665 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,400 You've, you've just reminded me of something, a story I heard. 666 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,440 It was on the Radio 4 show about 30 years ago. 667 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,520 It was probably someone like Frank Mueller or Dennis Norton 668 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,240 or someone like that. You know, he knew, he knew 669 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:20,680 Wallace Greenslade. And they were talking about 670 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,920 Wallace Greenslade for some reason. 671 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,000 And, and let's say it was Frank Muir. 672 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,120 And he said, well, he said Wallace was a huge Francophile. 673 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,480 He loved France. He loved and he thought he was, 674 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,760 he was able to speak French faultlessly, but he couldn't. 675 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,400 And of course he was also, as well as goon show announcer. 676 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,960 He was, he would read the the news on the radio as well. 677 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,480 And he said there was one time when he he was reading the news 678 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,560 and there was a story that was, had a particularly French slant 679 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,920 to it. So it gave Wallace the 680 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,360 opportunity to do lots of sort of very, very French 681 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,040 pronunciations. And then the following story was 682 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,320 about some old lag who'd been banged up in prison. 683 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,680 But he said, he said that this, this prisoner had been sent down 684 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,880 for five years at Pontonville. Pentonville. 685 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,680 Yes. Pentonville, yes. 686 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,880 You can imagine Wallace Wallace saying, and he's in Pontonville. 687 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:32,760 Pontonville Anyway, so Fred, I'm going to ask you this. 688 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,800 Your favorite character in the Goon Show? 689 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,120 Echols, definitely. I love him because of his what 690 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,160 they used to call illogical logic. 691 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,800 Even just the the 8:00 on a piece of paper that is, is 692 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,480 brilliant. It's a classic bit. 693 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:59,480 And I look at Echols as sort of like a version of Gracie Allen. 694 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,880 I'm sure you know who. Gracie Allen. 695 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,960 Yes, yes, Burns and Allen and Gracie Allen did the same thing, 696 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,560 illogical logic. So I see echoes in the same 697 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:20,840 light. You ever built bridges before? 698 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:33,240 I don't know, I just finished the 4th bridge. 699 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,480 When did you build that? After the first tree fell down? 700 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,160 Well, if it's as old as that gag, I'm not surprised. 701 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,640 Ian, what about you particular favorite? 702 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:02,400 I would say Blue Bottle myself. I think he was probably the most 703 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,520 developed character overall just just by his dialogue and his 704 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,480 jokes would kind of tell his story. 705 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,840 He, he knew where he was from, what he enjoyed and things he 706 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,400 didn't like, things like that. And I, I think that added a, a, 707 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,520 a dimension to him that other characters didn't have. 708 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,120 And obviously, Seller's portrayal was genius. 709 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:39,780 Oh, take us there. Silly boy, Silly boy. 710 00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:44,020 I'm only the announcer. What are you doing in a field in 711 00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:47,900 Kent? I'm not really in a field in 712 00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:50,940 Kent. It's just so happens that I was 713 00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:56,480 merely announcing in. Shut up announcing in the studio 714 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:03,080 the next Will You Shut Up, which happens to be a. 715 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,400 Will you be? Oh I'm fed up with this worry, 716 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,240 idiot. Do not be angry at Bunto. 717 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,640 I was only doing my best type acting because Gladys Bowles is 718 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,600 listening tonight. May I ask who is Gladys Bowles? 719 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,720 She's my mistress at school. Hello Miss Mouse. 720 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,000 This is me talking on the electric wireless. 721 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,120 It's. It's a hard, hard, hard question 722 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,840 because they're all great. I mean Colonel Bludnock. 723 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:51,280 Major. Major. 724 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,040 Major. Sorry, Major. 725 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,240 Common error. Major Bloodbath. 726 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,200 They didn't get promoted in all the films, did he? 727 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,920 No, no, Said Said. Betty was Colonel. 728 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,400 It's it's every time he enters the room and his explosions go 729 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,160 off. I mean bits, oh, absolute bits. 730 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,200 So, but I think it's Blue Bottle for me. 731 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,240 You know Blue Bottle and everyone will know. 732 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,600 Be aware of the origin of the Blue Bottle voice, yes? 733 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,640 Yeah, Roxton Haywood. Yes. 734 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:28,640 Yes, and sellers famously talked about this with on Parkinson in 735 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,240 72 I think, isn't it I? Believe so. 736 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,880 I've heard an interview from 1960 with Peter Sellers where he 737 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,000 more or less tells the same story. 738 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,240 Not verbatim, 100% verbatim, but it's the same beats to the 739 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:49,040 story. And I've seen it in a newspaper 740 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,960 interview from the late 50s where he more or less tells the 741 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,080 same story. So what I'm glad of that it, it, 742 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,760 it holds up. It's not, you know, it it, it's 743 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,680 obviously accurate, but he's using the same lines, the same 744 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,440 build up and all the rest of it. It's a story that he's obviously 745 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,600 honed over the years and and chopped it out on a regular 746 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,680 basis. But Colleen, what about your 747 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,040 favorite? Do you have a particular 748 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,160 favorite character? Or, well, I love Mini Banister. 749 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,440 Of course, by association I also have to love Henry Crund too, 750 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:28,160 which I do. But Men is just so so she just 751 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,880 has a way with her. And my probably my favorite 752 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,920 episode with the Min and Henry routine is the great Tuscan 753 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,320 Salami Scandal, which of course was the one without the 754 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,560 musicians due to the musician strike. 755 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:51,520 So Spike had to write quite an extended Min and Henry skit to 756 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,640 fill in time and and at one point they're having an argument 757 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,080 about going downstairs to let someone in who's knocking. 758 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:08,240 It gets so intense that Min goes and then she says once around 759 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:14,760 the room does me good, You know, that's just hysterical. 760 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,200 I. Was asking. 761 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,880 Don't you start shouting at me again. 762 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:26,240 I'm once round the room. Does me good, you know. 763 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,400 Can I ask actually, can I ask you and Fred? 764 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,680 Yes. The the sort of stock depiction 765 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,840 of an American in the show is embodied. 766 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,840 How? Do you feel about that? 767 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,560 Oh, I'm fine with it. I love it. 768 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,640 It's it's so it's so on the nose. 769 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,200 It's absolutely spot on. Well, you can tell that Peter 770 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,080 Sellers is having a blast doing that. 771 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,200 And and where's your Buffalo hide? 772 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,680 You know that's. How you open air mate? 773 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,880 Yeah, no, that I, I, yeah, no, that's that doesn't bother me in 774 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,560 the least. I always thought it was quite, 775 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,240 quite remarkably funny. Yeah, and in the same episode 776 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,000 trying to do an American accent. That's that's hysterical. 777 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,200 Oh. Yes, yes, I think. 778 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,400 Is that the gold mine? The gold mine of Charlotte is 779 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,240 that. No, that's, that's the call of 780 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:25,240 the wild, right? All the West. 781 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:25,960 All the West. Right. 782 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,000 Yeah, the call, right. That's right. 783 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,160 Yes, yes. Would it be would it be unkind 784 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,520 of me to say how he seek? I'm trying to do any kind of 785 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,240 accent other than other than that he seek. 786 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,960 We were all thinking that. We. 787 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,240 Love him, bless him, but yeah. Yeah, Colin. 788 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,280 Colin in Melbourne. Are you there, Colin? 789 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,640 Yes, I am, yes. Obviously there's a there's a 790 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,600 big connection with Spike in Australia, of course, as we 791 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,800 know, but Australia as depicted in the Goon show, it gets 792 00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,840 mentioned, but there is there isn't the voice that Sellers and 793 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,640 or Milligan does occasionally sort of late in the late period 794 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,000 Goon show where they got this, this Australian character 795 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,160 saying, I don't know what he's saying Pat or something like 796 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,840 that. I was just thinking it was 797 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,480 exactly the same quote, yes. Yes, when we've talked about 798 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,720 that on the on the show, that was based on some Australian 799 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:24,040 senator who was calling for the Goon show to be banned on 800 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:29,120 Australian radio at the time because it was because he felt 801 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,440 it was inappropriate to be played on the Sabbath or. 802 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,520 Whatever, I'm not sure. Something like that. 803 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,640 Oh dear. But what I mean in terms of Goon 804 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,760 Show references, Australian references in the Goon Show, do 805 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,440 any, can you think of any or apart from that or do any jump 806 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,080 out at you? No, they don't. 807 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,520 And, and I was going to say that's the only thing that I can 808 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,920 think of is that that accent that I assume sellers puts on 809 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,000 and. Yeah. 810 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,000 I can't think of any other references in there. 811 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,840 I think if the Goon Show had gone on a lot longer because 812 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,640 because I think Spike only went to Australia for the first time 813 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,400 in what, 58 was it? And was that for him to perform 814 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,120 or because his parents had moved there? 815 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,200 I think a bit of both. Probably a bit of both. 816 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,360 Yes, because there's some famous clips here from the ABC radio 817 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,040 where he was in the Sydney studio being interviewed and 818 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,240 that led up to the news, which at the time they read live in 819 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,320 the studio and he kept interjecting. 820 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,280 Australia's national international airline Qantas has 821 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,760 been awarded a trophy by the British Guild of Air Pilots and 822 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,160 Navigators for its safety record and 33 crashes. 823 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:37,360 Qantas is the second Australian airline to win the Cumberbatch 824 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,240 Trophy. TAA won it in 1958. 825 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,280 The Australian Post Office is doing good business. 826 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,440 In the United in the United States. 827 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,320 While we're on Spike, Ian, you you tantalisingly hinted that 828 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,000 you had met Spike once. Yes, indeed. 829 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:04,920 It was at the University of Surrey in Guildford in the early 830 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,520 to mid 90s, I can't remember. It's when Black Beauty, 831 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,480 according to Spike Milligan came out in, he was doing a signing 832 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,080 there. And I had tried to meet him many 833 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,200 times in the previous years and he was due to do signings for 834 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,240 various books in the area many, many times. 835 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:29,160 But he he, I always got contacted by the bookstore say 836 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,920 he wasn't coming because he was poorly. 837 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,240 So this was the first one that he actually did show up. 838 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:41,760 And he he was very frail. He had half his dinner down his 839 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,080 front, lots of crumbs. He was led in led in by his 840 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,720 assistant. And at the time I was doing 841 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:55,280 stand up and a couple of my friends had come with me and 842 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,520 they were saying, well, you got to be you got to say something 843 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,200 funny to Spike because it is. So how do you say something 844 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,520 funny to Spike Milligan? Who who he pretty much invented 845 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,200 funny for me. It's not an impossible. 846 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,600 I'm not doing that. But I finally got in front of 847 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,240 him with with my book and he asked me. 848 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,960 He said, well, what do you do? What do you want to do? 849 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,400 And he said, I said, well, I'd like to be a writer. 850 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,920 He said well don't write for the bloody BBC, They got no writers 851 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,880 there. Get over it, Spike. 852 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,680 Oh, come. On Yeah and. 853 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,720 I tried very badly to make a few little jokes and he told looked 854 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:39,160 at me and he signed my book and I just looked at the book now 855 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,040 actually and and the signature is very shaky. 856 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,880 And he looked to me, gave me my book and he and he said to me 857 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,080 what I consider my personal Spike Milligan joke old. 858 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,200 I'm sure he said it to every person that ever said to him he 859 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,840 wanted to be a writer. I wish you every luck in your 860 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,120 chosen profession as a vagrant and a bum. 861 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,040 Very good. And my friend said oh that was a 862 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,800 bit rude. I said that was brilliant. 863 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,920 That made my life I could end up. 864 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,120 Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. 865 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,600 Here we go. I've got a question for the 866 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,000 group. Who was the most underrated 867 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,480 member of the Goons and why was it Harry Secombe? 868 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,760 You've got to have a straight man. 869 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,680 You have to have that, that, that foil off which all the 870 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,920 brilliance can bounce. Yeah, you've got to. 871 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,720 You've got to have the guy without whom you know the the 872 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,760 the so many little interchanges require the run up of Harry 873 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,440 Secom of Neddy Seagoon before you get the gag. 874 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,320 That's very true that that's the same of many comedy 875 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,080 partnerships. As geek of Abbott and Costello 876 00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:02,560 and Morecambe and Wise, it's it's always the straight man, 877 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,080 Abbott or Wise, who considers us the lesser of the two. 878 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,520 And yeah I agree but but but Harry's. 879 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,240 Harry's funny in an in and of himself as well though, isn't 880 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:14,480 he? He's not just a straight man. 881 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,640 A goon show with just Sellers and Milligan would be great, but 882 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,800 it needs Harry to give that. He's the heart of the show, I 883 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:25,800 think. Yeah. 884 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,800 He's all of us. There's a few occasions where 885 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,480 he's not there and someone's deputising for him and it's 886 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,440 just. Not. 887 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,960 Quite the same is it? No, we at at time of recording, 888 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,960 we've just put out an episode of Goonpod about case of the 889 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:49,720 Mukhneys battle horn, which famously had sellers Milligan 890 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:55,000 and Dick Emery and and he Dick Emery works really well in I 891 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,760 think anyway, in in muckin his battle horn and and I actually 892 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,560 think Harry might have struggled a little bit because he's 893 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,560 playing different characters. Dick Emery in this visually as 894 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,320 well. But anyway, but the point is 895 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,600 Dick Emery in that series 8 episode of the Goon Show where 896 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,040 he stands in for Harry, it's not very good. 897 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:20,880 It's not very good, Harry, just when Harry's so full of life and 898 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,440 vitality and you know, you need that, I think, to to keep 899 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,720 Milligan and Sellers from killing each other. 900 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,720 It's always a gem of a moment when you hear Harry giggle that 901 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:36,160 he just can't control it, that he's laughing along with us. 902 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,800 You know that he is one of us. It's a highlight for me just to 903 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,320 hear it. Harry giggle. 904 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,560 The way he does. I mean it. 905 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,840 Just like you said. He, he is one of us. 906 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,120 He's all of us. He's got enough flesh for it, 907 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,680 that's for sure. Yeah, I think he's not so much. 908 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,440 I think somebody says he's a straight man, but he's he's like 909 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,240 an every man, isn't he? He's he's you know, he plays the 910 00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:01,640 character that you think that you would be. 911 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,080 You got all this madness going on around you and he's trying to 912 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,800 be saying here, but when he when he giggles, there's like he in 913 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:16,200 one's and he says in each beat instead of in each boot that all 914 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,880 the soldiers are lined up. I can't remember that you have 915 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,880 to remind me but and then just starts giggling and that that's 916 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,200 what I like about. You know that a man who never 917 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,440 was from series 8. That's it. 918 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,960 Yeah, Well done. Yeah, of course. 919 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,680 Yeah, yeah, in each beat. I love the fact that for no 920 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,760 reason, around series 8 he decides to take up what he calls 921 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,520 a speaking trumpet where he just. 922 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,680 He just is talking into the microphone through this loud 923 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,480 here. Calling folks I. 924 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,680 Suspect it was, and occasionally it becomes a cupped hand, 925 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:52,760 doesn't it? Yes, that's. 926 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:53,960 My cue. Thank you Wol. 927 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:55,840 Now where's my chin speaking trumpet? 928 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:03,680 Do you think his later work might have affected his legacy 929 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,400 from the Goons? Because I always remember 930 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,920 watching him on a Sunday afternoon on ITV doing Highway 931 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:16,120 Highway and I, I as much as I knew it was the same Goons 932 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,400 person, I didn't even relate that. 933 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,000 I think maybe it's somebody different when I was younger 934 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:27,360 because he wasn't funny. So maybe that just gave the edge 935 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,320 to a sort of more serious side for a for a generation of 936 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,920 people. Yeah, I always think of that 937 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:40,040 cringy interview that Spike did with Jonathan Ross in 1991. 938 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:45,360 I think it was. We've established where Spike's 939 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,680 both grumpy and arrogant. It doesn't come across very 940 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,600 well. And I think Jonathan Ross says 941 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,080 something like it doesn't belittle Harry, but he he kind 942 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,440 of says, well, he's you know, I think he kind of implies, well, 943 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,080 he's the highway man, isn't he? Now you know, he's not, you 944 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,280 know, it's not like you and and Peter Sellers you, you were the 945 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,400 cool guys, you know, that's the implication, I think. 946 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,760 And then and Spike kind of plays along with it and starts going I 947 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,120 walk with God and all this sort of thing, you know, to. 948 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,520 So I think, yeah, Harry got a bad rap. 949 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:23,520 Didn't Spike once make a comment that he hoped that Harry died 950 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,000 before Spike did because he didn't want Harry singing at his 951 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:32,240 funeral? But you're that. 952 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:37,040 Oh, that's a bit harsh. There's there's a series that 953 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,440 was on on BBC Radio that made me laugh. 954 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,400 They had the episode with his daughter and she was talking 955 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,680 about how, you know what it was like living in that household 956 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,480 and all that, and the thing that made her miss him the most. 957 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,040 And you could hear the tears in her, the emotion. 958 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,520 Her voice was just his laughter, his giggles. 959 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,120 She missed that the most. Was that Jennifer? 960 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,400 I think it was. Because I've I've interviewed 961 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,960 Katie, who's his youngest daughter. 962 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,520 It might have been Katie. I think it might have been 963 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:14,200 Jennifer actually, from memory. The thing about seek him, nobody 964 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,320 had a bad word to say about him in the, you know, in the 965 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,880 business. He was just, I suppose a bit 966 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,720 like Roy Castle for those who remember Roy Castle, but but 967 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,400 particularly Harry, he was just, he was what you saw was what you 968 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,480 got. And he was so generous and 969 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,120 loving to his family. And then and, and, and The thing 970 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:40,120 is, I mean, Spike loved his fam, loved his kids and, and, but he 971 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,600 could be so brittle and. Yeah, on a bad. 972 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,960 Day we'll gloss over sellers, but Harry was Harry was just 973 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:55,520 such a wonderful human being. Yeah, of all the of all the 974 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,320 goons, he's the one I would have wanted to have met the most. 975 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,880 He was the one you go for a pint with as they say he can pay for 976 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,760 the round. OK. 977 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,680 I've got another question. Is there a favorite guest on the 978 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,880 Goon show that you have? Oh yes, yes, Charlotte Mitchell. 979 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,680 Charlotte Mitchell entails of month. 980 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,080 Yes. Oh, right she is. 981 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,840 She just hits all the right marks. 982 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,240 She's great. She's doing a a Wallace 983 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,920 Greenslade. She's doing that awful French 984 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,200 accent, isn't. She yes. 985 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,400 Yes. For I know that I know that she 986 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,960 was in the Tales of Robin Hood too, but for some reason she's 987 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:42,640 much more likeable in Tales of Mount March. 988 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,560 I don't know why. Yeah, no, but she got more to 989 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,480 do, I think. In yes, yes, yeah. 990 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,160 I also love I also love her in The Bandit of Four. 991 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,000 Show it for us. I thought she's so nice and 992 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,600 hammy in that. Oh yeah, yes. 993 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,360 Anyone else got a favorite guest? 994 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:08,840 Mine is is the the a Matthew's appearance in, you know, he 995 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:13,040 makes no attempt whatsoever to be part of the show and just, 996 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,600 you know, as I said, pulls it down into chaotic, into chaos. 997 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:22,160 What's going on here? He didn't want to have the grip, 998 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,160 did he? He didn't want the line. 999 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,520 I just left it blank. Yep. 1000 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,040 For me it's still Jack Train coming in as curdle chinstrap, 1001 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,960 shifting sands, the magnificent of coming in and out, gooning 1002 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,960 the goons. It blows me away every time I. 1003 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,640 Have a touch. Yes, close to the old country, 1004 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,840 Sir. What old country? 1005 01:02:50,300 --> 01:03:02,800 In the old country. Well, now, Kettle, I suppose 1006 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,520 you're wondering why you sent for me. 1007 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:11,520 Yes, Sir. Just a minute. 1008 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,400 Just a minute. Maybe Quiet. 1009 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:23,000 Lost goldfish. They should wear slippers, you 1010 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,360 know. Well, if you insist, trust me. 1011 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,720 Yep. What's going on here? 1012 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:29,800 Nothing more clear. Often. 1013 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,520 Here you have the episode that the Dame is escaping Me now 1014 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,280 where you have multiple guests so that you're filled in for 1015 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,560 sellers. Pinkobo. 1016 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,600 Yes, Pinkobo. Who is Pinko? 1017 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:51,840 Who is Pinkobo? Graham Stark and Valentine doll 1018 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,720 I think was in there and John Snag maybe? 1019 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,040 Yeah, I think so. Plethora. 1020 01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,880 I don't listen to that show very much. 1021 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,560 It's been a long time for me too. 1022 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,200 I like to be. That's a filthy title for a goon 1023 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,000 show as well, isn't? It isn't it just. 1024 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:18,040 I think I think personally speaking I agree about a 1025 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:24,400 Matthews but I also I love George Chisholm when he. 1026 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:25,440 Pops up. Oh yeah. 1027 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:31,720 Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, OK. You said it's to be a mangle. 1028 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:41,400 Is there a line? Is there a reference in the Goon 1029 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,720 show that you've always wanted to find an answer for? 1030 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,840 You've not understood what it means, or it's puzzled, you 1031 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,440 know. I've I've got something that 1032 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,080 that has niggled me. I think it's Scarlet Capsule, 1033 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,840 where the big reveal at the end is Minidor and it's Minidor and 1034 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,600 it all goes wrong because the gag doesn't work. 1035 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:03,480 You know the bit I'm talking about. 1036 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,120 I know that the bit you're talking about. 1037 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,760 It's a play on Mind the Doors. Mind the doors, but all the way 1038 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,360 through up to this point they've been saying Minidor and you 1039 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,720 think OK, we're going to have to go back and re record the whole 1040 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,000 damn thing because you you know we've all been saying it wrong. 1041 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,840 I'm. Going to have to think about 1042 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,800 that. Isn't that because of the the 1043 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:27,000 the sign that says mind the doors is is obscured so they're 1044 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,600 reading it incorrectly? Oh. 1045 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:33,600 It's a bit bits of bits of accretions of dirt over certain 1046 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,840 letters. Yeah, there we go. 1047 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,640 That's it answered. Thanks. 1048 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,360 Anyone else got a got? AI think you've talked about it 1049 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,440 on the show Tyler and it's it's one of the episodes where oh, 1050 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:52,120 it's in histories of plenty of the elder and and that flower. 1051 01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:53,880 Do you like voice or is it Blue Bottle? 1052 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,480 Voice says it wasn't me, Sir, it was Harold Prott. 1053 01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,520 Yes. Yeah, I've never known him how 1054 01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:04,080 Prott was. One, it gets a huge laugh, yes, 1055 01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:08,800 which makes you think that's it. There's some hidden meaning 1056 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,040 there or whatever, but I think it's just it's just Blue Bottle 1057 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:18,040 who's who's both on this galley ship and also he's he's a boy at 1058 01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,000 school, the schoolboy, yes, blaming some school, some 1059 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,160 schoolyard rotter who's being mean to him. 1060 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:30,480 There's a, a reference to Lady Docker in one of the, I think 1061 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,040 it's dirty batter pudding holder. 1062 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:38,680 And I, I think from listening to your shows, countless ones that 1063 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,240 you've done, because your research is amazing. 1064 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,960 There's so many jokes that I've listened to that you've 1065 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,680 explained that it's something stupid that happened. 1066 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,280 And it's. Just well, no, you you've put it 1067 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,920 to life in that you've it was it's like a reference to 1068 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,080 something that happened in the news and you'd managed to find 1069 01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:53,400 it. But. 1070 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,800 But yeah, the lady docker who would want to it's not the Mr. 1071 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,000 Attlee. I've just been hit by a batter 1072 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,160 pudding and that. But yeah, Lady Docko is is a 1073 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,400 reference that you may have explained before in the past. 1074 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:07,280 That's what I'm saying. I forgot. 1075 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,000 Well, she. Yeah, she she was a socialite. 1076 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,880 Like a like a dead like this one up and coming sort. 1077 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:18,160 Of yeah, she was married to head of Daimler or one of the motor 1078 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:22,040 car companies. And I think she had she had like 1079 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,160 boundless reserves of cash or access to. 1080 01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,960 And I think she was just like, you know, she was one of those 1081 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,080 that was always on the front pages for about, you know, a 12 1082 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,720 month period in the mid 50s and then completely forgotten about. 1083 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:41,480 Right. Now for me, I was always 1084 01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:48,920 wondering who's Sabrina? And then I and then I saw on the 1085 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,720 Internet who she was as, oh, that's Sabrina. 1086 01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,760 I finally got it after all these years. 1087 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,520 Spike. Spike had a fondness for a 1088 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,840 particular shape, yeah. Didn't he just? 1089 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,760 Yeah. Yeah, you just have to watch the 1090 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,640 Q shows with, what's the name, Julia Breck. 1091 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:12,800 Julia Breck, Yes. I'm I'm very. 1092 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:18,319 Fond of a gag in 1985 where the, the, the, the, the cricket bat 1093 01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:22,160 that's quite unmarked it, it really is Still, you know, it 1094 01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,479 doesn't matter that we, that we, you know, we don't know who Len 1095 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,920 Hutton is anymore, or or at least we don't know where he was 1096 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,240 in his batting career at that particular point in the 1097 01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,279 recording. It's like we get the gag. 1098 01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,560 It's such a lovely, lovely sort of moment. 1099 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,760 A spot on, Martin. I I think I probably said that 1100 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:43,319 when we COVID-19 85 years ago. You don't get the reference, but 1101 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:46,399 you understand the gag. Yeah, 100% yeah. 1102 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,960 And that's brilliant. That's timeless, isn't it? 1103 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,000 I. Say, what's this old object? 1104 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,680 That beautiful, isn't it? It's called a cricket bat. 1105 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,240 Oh, yes, yes. Did they have Test matches way 1106 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,200 back? Yes, that. 1107 01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,040 That's right. This bat was used in the very 1108 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,200 last Test by Len Hutton. You can see it's quite unmarked. 1109 01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:18,840 OK, Is there a lost goon show that you'd love to hear? 1110 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:24,080 As in pre series 5? Is there a Is there a particular 1111 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,520 special show that you've heard about that? 1112 01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,080 You'd I've always been, I've always been intrigued by the one 1113 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,359 in series 3 called I was a male fan dancer. 1114 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,680 That would be very, very interesting to see to listen to. 1115 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,560 I'm sorry. Yes, totally. 1116 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,319 That's that's exactly what it means is stuff like that any 1117 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,040 anyone else? I would love if they could find 1118 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,880 Archie and Goonland. Yes. 1119 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,480 Yeah. It would be awful, I'm sure, 1120 01:09:57,480 --> 01:09:59,520 because educating Archie was awful. 1121 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:02,880 Siegeman worked on that, hadn't he? 1122 01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,600 Yes, he had. And Hancock, of course. 1123 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,400 Hancock. Yes. 1124 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,160 I just think it's a great shame that we don't have more Benteen 1125 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:15,200 that we that the that one of the great founders of this show just 1126 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,560 seems to have been because of the vagaries of of what got kept 1127 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,760 and what didn't. We we've lost him, you know, 1128 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,240 he's kind of not there in the way that he should be in our 1129 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,160 imaginations. Yeah, I'm glad that. 1130 01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:31,000 Yeah, I'm glad that at least we have access to May, which 1131 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,920 depends on your point of view down among the Zed men and 1132 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,840 basically the four members of Goons and Benteen is very funny 1133 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,760 in that. Yeah, he's probably the most 1134 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,080 effective performer in that film, actually, of the of the 1135 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,400 four of them. I think it's quite awkward. 1136 01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,640 What visually Michael Benteen is, you can't miss him that, 1137 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,560 definitely. No Michael Benteen as a as AI 1138 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,880 mean have we all seen things like It's a square world and 1139 01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:06,080 other Michael Benteen? So here in Australia we didn't 1140 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,160 get a lot of it's a square world. 1141 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:11,040 What we did get on one of the stations growing up in rural 1142 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,840 Australia was potty time. Oh yes. 1143 01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,200 Yeah, potty time. I don't know about you. 1144 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:20,680 I, I, I admire Michael Benteen. I don't find a lot of his stuff 1145 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,960 particularly funny, personally speaking. 1146 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,440 It's it's like a lot of the square world stuff I give a wry 1147 01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:29,640 smile to, but I certainly don't laugh out loud. 1148 01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:35,120 But I can, I can understand why he departed the goons in 52. 1149 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,960 I can see that they had plenty in common. 1150 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,560 I think that the four of them, but he was kind of, he needed to 1151 01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,040 go for them to really step up to the plate. 1152 01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,640 Yeah, they were, they were clearly going in different 1153 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,360 directions, weren't they? And I think you said, Tyler, 1154 01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,520 that in Down Among the Z Men, Michael Benteen said he's like, 1155 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,920 he's in another film. You know, he's, he's on another 1156 01:11:56,440 --> 01:11:58,680 sort of level. Yes. 1157 01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,040 But yeah, it's criminal that they know a lot more of the 1158 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:05,480 early stuff doesn't exist from the, you know, crazy people, 1159 01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:08,520 etcetera. Unless Ian cannot unveil it. 1160 01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:15,280 Absolutely, Ian. I'm holding the tapes to the the 1161 01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,000 bulb now to see what it says on there. 1162 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,120 OK, get you, get your jewellers eyepiece and look and see what's 1163 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,960 on those. When I spoke to Ted Kendall, the 1164 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:28,960 great Ted Kendall, he he said, you know, he made a very good 1165 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,440 point. Be careful what you wish for. 1166 01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,640 So what we have heard what we what I mean, there's a there's a 1167 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:41,560 scant early goon shows that exist, but what there is and and 1168 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,120 the recording quality quality doesn't help. 1169 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,200 But what there is, it's not great. 1170 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:52,400 It's, it's OK, but it's, it certainly came into its own, the 1171 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,280 show from about around Series 4 onwards really, I would say from 1172 01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:01,200 what from what we've heard. I was just reading a copy of the 1173 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,640 Lost Goon shows and there's introduction by Spike at the at 1174 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:12,960 the front and he it's a typically morose Milligan 1175 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:17,880 introduction. But he says in that how he can't 1176 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,960 understand why people found them funny when the early episodes 1177 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:26,920 really weren't funny. So by his own admittance there. 1178 01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,160 Look, there may be, there may be some gold that we that Ian can 1179 01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:37,040 come up with no pressure. Now there's there's a video I 1180 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:41,760 saw on YouTube, I don't know if it was a highway episode or not, 1181 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:47,920 but it had Secombe Milligan and Benteen at a train station and 1182 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,080 they and they were just reminiscing and things that I 1183 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,440 found it very charming and it was sad at the same time because 1184 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,080 Peter Sellers wasn't there. So. 1185 01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:01,080 But I like it. Just on Sellers, we put a pin in 1186 01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,560 him earlier, didn't we Colleen? Yes, he did. 1187 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,680 So go on. But what? 1188 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,680 Let's unpin Sellers. What do you want to say about 1189 01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,880 him? The first movie that I ever went 1190 01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:17,880 to see in the theatre, or the cinema, shall I say, was The 1191 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,920 World of Henry Orient. Oh. 1192 01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:26,200 Peter Sellers, Angela Lansbury and Paul Apprentice. 1193 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:32,560 And at the time we were living on a dairy farm in the back of 1194 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:38,680 beyond in rural Wisconsin and I had just turned 5 years old and 1195 01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:43,640 my mother decided it was time to expand my cultural horizons and 1196 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,640 started harassing my father to she wanted to take me to the 1197 01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:52,680 movies. Now being, you know, out in the 1198 01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:59,720 sticks, the nearest city with a a cinema was 15 miles away and 1199 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,160 so it took her a few months to get my father on board with 1200 01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,800 this. But finally we all piled into 1201 01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:11,560 the VW Bug and drove off to Medford, Wisconsin and there was 1202 01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,600 11 cinema in town playing one movie. 1203 01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:19,600 This was before the days of multiplexes and it was the world 1204 01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:24,800 of Henry Orient. And I was, you know, it's a very 1205 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,680 odd thing to take a 5 year old too, but I, I was able to get 1206 01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,640 most of it and I really enjoyed it. 1207 01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:37,360 And so 10 years later when I ran into the Goon show and they 1208 01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,440 were, were reading off the, you know, the people at the end and 1209 01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:44,560 Peter starring Peter Sellers. I'm like, oh, the guy from Henry 1210 01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:45,640 Marion. Sure. 1211 01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:54,280 That's that's I've I've seen that film once a couple of years 1212 01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,920 ago and. It's it's uneven. 1213 01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,960 It was directed by George Roy Hill, who went on to direct the 1214 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,160 Sting. So he, you know, quite a good 1215 01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,000 director. You know, it, it, it, it has 1216 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,960 moments that could have been probably left on the cutting 1217 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,840 room floor. But on the whole, you know, 1218 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,600 it's, it's not bad. You should. 1219 01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,160 Yeah, you should. Watch it again. 1220 01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,600 I will do on that. Yeah, OK. 1221 01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,560 Rest of you, do you have a particular the favourites? 1222 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:28,240 This is a good opportunity. Solo goon project like film or. 1223 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:33,680 For me, it's Doctor Strangelove called just the you know, the 1224 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,320 the range that Sellers produces in the three characters he 1225 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,000 plays, isn't it? Yes. 1226 01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,160 Well, I. Think I'm a horrible person that 1227 01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,200 I've never seen that just. Hang up now. 1228 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:51,360 OK, no, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll watch it first chance 1229 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,040 again. Right now it's too much like a 1230 01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:55,560 documentary. I was just going. 1231 01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,480 To say yeah, it's, it's a bit, yeah. 1232 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,480 What about you, Fred? Do you have a sort of film or 1233 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:07,120 something that you? My favorite goon solo project is 1234 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,840 Harry Secom and Oliver. Yes, I think he's brilliant in 1235 01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,880 that for a man that, you know, the jolly person that he is, 1236 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:22,320 playing such a mean, nasty character going tolikien's type. 1237 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:28,720 And I like it for personal reasons too, because as an 1238 01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:32,040 actor, I performed in a couple productions of Oliver. 1239 01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:36,720 I played Mr. Sowerberry, the Undertaker in those productions, 1240 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:41,480 so I got to interact with the Beat Mr. Bumble character so. 1241 01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,000 Harry, played by Leonard Rossiter in the film I. 1242 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,120 Think right, right. And but like I said, Harry 1243 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:54,800 Seclam is brilliant in that and a very close SEC second is Peter 1244 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,200 Sellers on the Muppet Show. Oh yes, you know when he. 1245 01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,600 Egypt, the Violin. Right and scene with. 1246 01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,240 Him. Yes, right. 1247 01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,760 But it's just the scene between him and Kermit where he tells 1248 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,680 the truth about himself, says there is no me. 1249 01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,920 I had him surgically removed. Yeah. 1250 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,880 Ted, are you there, Ted? Yes, yeah. 1251 01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,920 Do you do you have a particular solo goon project that you? 1252 01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,320 I do. I managed to get it on network 1253 01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,040 video or DVD before they went under. 1254 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,440 I've mentioned it. It's the it's the very 1255 01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:37,000 problematic Q series again as a small child. 1256 01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,280 It hasn't just it's not just because it's got Julie Breck in 1257 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,680 it, but it's got us, you know, walking towards the the camera. 1258 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,920 Stupid sketches that just just finished. 1259 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,000 And this came out before Python. I think there's a famous line 1260 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,280 from between Terry Jones that he called out Michael Palin after 1261 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,320 seeing the first of the Q series and said sparked beaten us to 1262 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,920 it. You know, he's, you know, just 1263 01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,360 sketches that don't have punch lines, don't need to have. 1264 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,960 And yeah, it's looking back at it you you wins. 1265 01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,520 But when it when it hits the spot, it's yeah, it's. 1266 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,360 I agree there's there's a there was a video release in the 80's 1267 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,560 the best of Q. Yeah, I've got it somewhere. 1268 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,080 Yeah, I had it. Spike on the cover as Batman, I 1269 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,760 think. And, and there's, there's some 1270 01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,000 still stuff in that that you think, oh God, but there's some 1271 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,720 really good stuff in that. Camera 3. 1272 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,280 I've come here to tell him that I've lost an item of clothing on 1273 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:35,680 the train. Oh, what was it? 1274 01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,320 The 820 from Portsmouth. That's when my uncle died. 1275 01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,560 Your uncle died on the 8/4? Was it the fish? 1276 01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:47,280 Pardon. Was it the fish? 1277 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:51,280 No, it was the other. You told me your uncle died in 1278 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,960 the Navy? No, no, he died in the gravy. 1279 01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:57,200 He died in the gravy. You see, he was on the buffet 1280 01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,800 carriage on the 9:27. You said it was the 820. 1281 01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,840 Ah, but with inflation, 927. So he's on the buffet and he 1282 01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,960 ordered a plate of British Railway gravy. 1283 01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:16,600 The train pulled up with a jerk. The jerk got off and Uncle fell, 1284 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,520 faced down on the gravy and snapped it, snuffed it. 1285 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:20,800 Of course. You're not supposed to snap it. 1286 01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,840 You're supposed to sip it. Ian, have we asked you? 1287 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:32,520 I'd give an honourable mention to Spike in the BBC reboot of or 1288 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:37,000 remake rather of Flywheel Shyster and Flywheel, the Marx 1289 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:43,400 Brothers classic as he turns up as WC Fields in an episode. 1290 01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:49,840 You know, God awful impression. I've seen it, it's not bad. 1291 01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,240 Every sentence finishes like there. 1292 01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:57,280 I'm sure you heard my show or our show on Flywheel, Shyster 1293 01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,360 and Flywheel a couple of years ago. 1294 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,400 Yeah, that was so much fun. That was. 1295 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:06,080 So that's probably one of my favorite episodes because just 1296 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,040 getting to speak to those guys was incredible. 1297 01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:11,280 Now one of them just passed away, didn't he? 1298 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,320 Yeah. Frank Lazarus. 1299 01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,800 Yeah, Yeah, He used to write to me. 1300 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,320 Up until the end he was writing well, emailing me. 1301 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,800 Such a lovely, lovely man. But Martin, what about you? 1302 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,080 I think we haven't asked you yet. 1303 01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,400 I've I've I have to mention that the, the, the massive works that 1304 01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:32,800 are that are the Pink Panther movies, particularly shot in the 1305 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,240 dark is a is a real favorite. But I've got a I've got a 1306 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:39,360 question. The Parsee as a kid, it was the 1307 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,200 funniest thing I've ever seen in my 20s. 1308 01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,160 I was cringing and biting my fist. 1309 01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,960 I watched it again recently and actually, if you get over it, it 1310 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,280 still stands up. Yes, it's it's bonkers 60s, but 1311 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,360 it still stands up actually as a as a, as a work of comedy and I 1312 01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,000 and it's it's, it's sellers physicality. 1313 01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,360 I think that really makes it that that, that that I can just 1314 01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,760 relax and enjoy it. If I get away from the racism 1315 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,960 question, I just actually, it's such a ball. 1316 01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,720 It's such a it's such a fun time and you can I don't know. 1317 01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,400 I just love the party. He gets towards the end it's it 1318 01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,440 loses itself when they all dancing around to checking 1319 01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:17,320 bubbles to each other. It seems like the elephant ran 1320 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,520 out. Yeah, ran out where? 1321 01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:22,040 He is now Martin, just while you while you're on you. 1322 01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:27,120 You did indicate earlier that you would like to throw the last 1323 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,320 Goon show of all. Into the conversation just 1324 01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:35,440 because I find I find the last of gun trouble, the incredibly 1325 01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:38,600 emotional but also a let down in a strange way. 1326 01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,880 I feel like this was an opportunity to really put you've 1327 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,800 got cameras, you've got everyone you know reunited with such a 1328 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:51,480 spirit of kind of look what we achieve whenever it is 10/10/12 1329 01:22:51,480 --> 01:22:53,200 years ago. Here we go. 1330 01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,600 We can make something magnificent here and it is 1331 01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,960 magnificent in parts, but it also just smacks of a missed 1332 01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:00,080 opportunity. And I just want to know if 1333 01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,760 everybody else feels the same or if that's just me. 1334 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:03,240 No, I would. Agree. 1335 01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,840 Yeah, yeah. Very disappointing. 1336 01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:07,640 Yes. Yeah, just a lack of. 1337 01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,720 Coherent story. I think that probably lets it. 1338 01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:13,720 Down, and I say this every time as I'll say it again, Blue 1339 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,400 Bottle should should never say the word groin. 1340 01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:25,440 Just it coarsens it, you know? He's wearing a long pants now, 1341 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:29,840 folks. Yes, as as we begin to wrap up, 1342 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:36,320 I want to ask you guys about the lasting influence or, or the 1343 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:40,560 influence of the Goon Show in general, not just in terms of UK 1344 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:45,760 comedy, British comedy, but even American, Australian comedy. 1345 01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,120 Any any comments? Any thoughts? 1346 01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,360 You could definitely see it in the Monty Pythons, you know, and 1347 01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,480 they've admitted that that they got a lot of it from the Goon 1348 01:23:56,480 --> 01:24:01,040 Show and The Beatles humour. And, and as I mentioned earlier, 1349 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:05,280 the monkeys, especially Davy Jones, they incorporate a lot of 1350 01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,160 Goon humor in that. I mean, you could hear in a 1351 01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:11,720 couple of monkey episodes where there the monkeys join into a 1352 01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,800 football thing and you can hear Davy going rhubarb, rhubarb, 1353 01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,280 rhubarb, rhubarb. Oh, yes. 1354 01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:23,680 So yeah, I think it did carry over into the States where you 1355 01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:29,360 have like things like Ronan and Martin's laughing and shows like 1356 01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:33,640 that that incorporate what would be called goon humor. 1357 01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,280 Just just on the monkeys and and influences British comedy 1358 01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:42,080 influences. Fred, I'm sure you're way ahead 1359 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,320 of me here. But of course, till death has 1360 01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,800 depart. Right, that was that became our 1361 01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:54,240 all in the family over here. Yeah, but but the the the 1362 01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:58,320 monkeys tune Randy Scouse get. Yes, which was called. 1363 01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,000 Influenced. Right, and was called alternate 1364 01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,240 title in in Britain because it was considered naughty at the 1365 01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:05,560 time. Yes. 1366 01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,160 Yeah, and Mick Dolins did not didn't realize what it meant, 1367 01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,920 you know, until until they explained it to him. 1368 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,160 Yeah, because. Because Rand Randy's a common 1369 01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,520 male Christian name in America, isn't it? 1370 01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,120 It's. It's Yes it is. 1371 01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,520 It could. Be like Randolph, yeah. 1372 01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:30,080 Randy Van Warmer. Anyone else got a a sort of a 1373 01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:33,160 thought about the the enduring influence of the goons Well? 1374 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,040 I'm just, I'm, I'm astonished. It's, it's a Pebble, right? 1375 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,760 It's a Pebble at the beginning of the 50s that's turned into a 1376 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:44,160 snowball by the end of the 50s. Throughout the 60s, that one 1377 01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,760 snowball sets off beyond the fringe. 1378 01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,960 It does The Beatles and the Monkeys, it does Monty Python. 1379 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:55,000 And then those snowballs then become avalanches across culture 1380 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:59,520 and across kind of, I don't know, everything that came in 1381 01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,200 the end of the 20th century. So for me, there's a, there's a, 1382 01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:05,400 you know, it all goes back to that one, that one moment in the 1383 01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,720 50s in 1951 when the, when the little pebbles started rolling. 1384 01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,640 I mean, OK, you could look back to, I don't know, the, the Will 1385 01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,880 Hay movies as, as some, some of the other great kind of Music 1386 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,760 Hall comedy of Britain that, that it, that obviously Spike 1387 01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,840 sprang out of. But I still think the unique 1388 01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,280 kind of anarchic nature of the Goon Show is very much the 1389 01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:29,000 beginning of a whole new era in in in the 20th century. 1390 01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:34,680 It's the the very thing that Tom Solinsky and Abigail discuss in 1391 01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,880 their podcast is that that progenitor of everything and the 1392 01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,520 connections it has. And even here in Australia, 1393 01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:45,200 there are current comedic stars who have talked openly about 1394 01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:46,880 listening to the goons and discovering it. 1395 01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:51,240 And then many of them go off to Britain to do work over there at 1396 01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,840 the Edinburgh Fringe, get involved in other skit shows and 1397 01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,720 then come back here bringing that sense of humour with them. 1398 01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,600 Yeah, yeah. You mentioned Tom Solinsky, his 1399 01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,200 podcast All British Comedy explained. 1400 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,560 It's worth listening to if you haven't heard it. 1401 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,560 I was an advisor on one of the episodes, by the way, and Tom's 1402 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:14,920 been a guest on Game Pod. So how did Spike Milligan Light? 1403 01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,200 Is he still alive? No. 1404 01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,320 He died in 2002 at the age of 83. 1405 01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:23,320 Okay, he sounds. I mean kind of like the Peter 1406 01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,920 Cook of the crew where it's like the driving force, the great 1407 01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:31,920 writer, the comic genius, and then after they left the show 1408 01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:33,960 and and his it's just like it becomes a film *. 1409 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,280 Yeah. Yeah, it's very similar. 1410 01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,560 It's very similar. So you said you had some 1411 01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,800 predictions about what you thought future episodes of the 1412 01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,280 Goon show might hold. And I should stress again, I've 1413 01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,440 listened to a lot of Goon shows recently, but I haven't 1414 01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:47,120 scratched the surface because there are hundreds of them. 1415 01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,760 So when you say did they do this in the future episode, Very 1416 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,560 likely months will be, I don't know, but we'll see. 1417 01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:53,520 We could. We could, maybe? 1418 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,200 Check in with this Tyler we. Could we could ask Tyler? 1419 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,880 So this is the one that might not have happened, but since 1420 01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,880 they ended in the 60s, that was the beginning of the space race. 1421 01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:10,600 So the Goon Show goes to space in search for life on Mars. 1422 01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:14,800 Oh interesting, I I haven't heard of a kind of science 1423 01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,160 fiction goon show, but you're right, there's lots of pulp 1424 01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,960 sci-fi knocking around in the in the 50s and then that would be 1425 01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:26,840 an obvious thing for them to do. I find it the goon's influence 1426 01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:31,840 and spikes influence and particularly is lost as as we 1427 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:37,440 mentioned it, I, I ran a podcast myself devoted to a Canadian TV 1428 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:43,480 show and a comedy show. And yes, indeed, yes, their 1429 01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,160 biggest TV show, full stop. Actually the the biggest TV show 1430 01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,320 nobody's ever heard of. Even their own taxi drivers 1431 01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:57,080 don't know what it is. But I've spoken to the cast and 1432 01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:01,040 crew and the writers and when I say, or you know where the 1433 01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,120 influences come from, they all immediately jump to Monty 1434 01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,640 Python. And when I meet, when I 1435 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,920 mentioned Spike and the goons, they're they're aware of them, 1436 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,680 but they don't understand the connections. 1437 01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:19,560 And I think that's sad. I actually gave the creator of 1438 01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:24,120 Corner Gas Guy called Brent, but one of Spike's books is 1439 01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:29,640 collected war memoirs to say that's where it came from. 1440 01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,160 And I'm hoping he read it and I'm hoping that it it had 1441 01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,080 further influence on his career. And I don't suppose it did, but, 1442 01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,360 and I think that's sad. I think, I think that the goons 1443 01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:46,680 sort of of lost because of John Cleese and his gang. 1444 01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,480 These pioneers often get overshadowed by what comes 1445 01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,800 after. I know, even though it's. 1446 01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,480 I wouldn't say The Goons is overshadowed, but in the grand 1447 01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:00,160 scheme of things, maybe. Right. 1448 01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:03,240 I mean, it's a similar thing that happened with rock'n'roll. 1449 01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:08,160 You got the the great rock'n'roll artists like Elvis, 1450 01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,000 Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard and all that. 1451 01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:15,560 And then as you get into the 70s that's you get the Led 1452 01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,760 Zeppelin's who which are fine, but then you get later rock 1453 01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,720 bands who only go back as far as Led Zeppelin and think that's 1454 01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,920 rock'n'roll only and don't go back further than that. 1455 01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,400 And I think that's kind of sad as well. 1456 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:32,600 I. Mean doing visual humour isn't 1457 01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,320 such a thing I suppose, but if you look at what does exist of 1458 01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:39,080 the Fred shows and and Mckinney's battlehorn, there's. 1459 01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:40,680 Running, jumping and stamping still. 1460 01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:46,480 Yeah, it's the sight gags that that I, I said very recently, 1461 01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:49,040 there's a, there's a, a gag in the muck in his battle horn, 1462 01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:53,040 which is straight out of or what would you, you would, you would 1463 01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,360 see in one of the Naked Gun films, you know. 1464 01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:02,120 So the, the influence is still there, but as, as every year 1465 01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:06,680 goes by, sadly, it, it becomes a little fainter, I guess. 1466 01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,720 Listen, everyone, thank you awfully for, for, for joining me 1467 01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,160 today. I wasn't sure how this would go 1468 01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:17,960 because this is the first time the seven of us have spoken. 1469 01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,640 And when you've got, you know, more than two people on a 1470 01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,040 recording, there's always that, that fear that there might be 1471 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,600 some technical glitch or someone's microphone isn't 1472 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,680 working or, or whatever. There's so much we didn't cover. 1473 01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:35,400 There's only so much you can talk about in in sort of 90 1474 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,880 minutes or so we can do. This again on your 50th 1475 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:48,960 anniversary. 50th Go for. It. 10th baby. 1476 01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:51,400 We'll all be in our graves, I tell you. 1477 01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:55,680 But listen, I want to say, I want to say Martin, Collin, 1478 01:31:55,680 --> 01:32:00,440 Colleen, Ted, Ian and Fred, thank you all so much for 1479 01:32:00,440 --> 01:32:03,880 joining me. And yes, definitely I will have 1480 01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:09,280 you back in five years time when I'm celebrating 10 years of Goon 1481 01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,720 Pod and all I'm talking about by that point is episodes of 1482 01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,600 Highway. I'll be here. 1483 01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,800 I'm. Walking backwards for Christmas. 1484 01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,640 I'm walking backwards for Christmas. 1485 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:35,920 It's the finest. I'm fine, you know, walking the 1486 01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:39,160 highways and the walk of King that took over the front. 1487 01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:43,840 But they just look at me and say need to publicity start. 1488 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:50,200 Oh, I'm walking backwards to Harare so much back across the 1489 01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:54,320 Ivy Sea. Ladies and gentlemen, if you 1490 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,440 turn on your television sets, you will see me walking 1491 01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:58,200 backwards now across the other sea. 1492 01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,280 The Goon Chair, which was recorded, was produced by John 1493 01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:08,720 Brown. Peter Sellers is now appearing 1494 01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,880 in Brouhaha at the Aldridge Theatre, London. 1495 01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,200 Harry Secombe is appearing in Larges Life at the London 1496 01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,920 Palladium and Spike Milligan is appearing in a porcelain bath on 1497 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:18,520 Fridays.