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How do you always been 
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where you into the goons, when 
they absolutely, no television? 

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No, while we were there, but we 
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course, you know, the gun show. 
And I've always said about the 

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goons, it's like the pen is 
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You know, you can go anywhere 
with that imagination and spikes

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imagination was one and the 
stupidity of, you know, oh, the 

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Sun is hot. 
Well, don't touch it. 

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You know, I mean, that's, you 
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are. 
We sort of, we feel the misery 

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and we have To laugh. 
Hello and welcome to goon pod 

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this week. 
I am so lucky to be joined by 

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Lori Grimshaw. 
Who is a radio producer? 

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Notably on BBC Radio 4 extra? 
She's been involved with special

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programs about the likes of 
Barry. 

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Humphries Les, Dawson the 
bonzo's and Neil Innes. 

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She's also written for radio and
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on podcasts radio our so Laura. 
And I talked about love of 

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comedy, and classic comedy in 
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modern broadcasting. 
Now, one thing, this was 

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recorded a week before the 
recent news that Radio 4 extra 

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is to be moved to BBC sounds. 
And after that it's future is 

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unclear, which I'm sure anyone 
listening to this. 

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Not be pleased about have a 
listen. 

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I hope you enjoy the show. 
So silhouette. 

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Thank you so much for joining me
today. 

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It's delightful to be here. 
Thank you for asking me now, 

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right? 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I 

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you have gone on record as 
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things in the world, chips and 
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Where's that from? 
I've been stalking you on 

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Twitter. 
I mean, that's, that's probably 

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fair. 
I mean, I think any probably 

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food and comedy but yes, yeah. 
I mean, I'm a fan of chips. 

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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't 
a fan of chips. 

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But yes, yeah, I I comedy is 
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being. 
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lifelong fan and into a kind of 
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And then I've kind of made a 
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So, yeah, it's definitely the 
the constant in my life. 

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Life is finding new things that 
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and sharing them. 
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Well, okay, so we won't spend an
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Will have lots to say about 
chips. 

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So you say that you've comedies 
being your life, you grew up 

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with comedy. 
Did you sort of decide from an 

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early age that you wanted to be 
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Or get involved with the 
production of Comedy? 

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Yes. 
I used to like a lot. 

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Lot of people, I think a lot of 
radio people certainly, I had my

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own tape recorder and I used to 
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comedy shows when one of my 
friends as like a, like an 

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eight-year-old. 
So yes. 

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And we used to kind of play. 
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used to play goon show records, 
and python records and things 

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like that into our sketches and 
then we would write our own poor

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ripoff. 
Version, see things and perform 

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them and I have still have some 
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never see the light of day. 
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there's a cutting from my local 
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paper for some reason. 
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do, and I said, I wanted to be a
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really done the writing bit, 
although that is a part of my 

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job. 
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it so much sort of watching it 
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radio then going and seeing it 
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It was I just wanted to do that.
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people. 
I knew quite early on that. 

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Those were my people. 
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Yeah. 
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Probably still. 
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I was probably about 10 years 
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TV celebrating 50 years of 
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Hosted by Dick Van, Dyke. 
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documentary. 
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Okay. 
Doctor, the documentary included

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interviews are quotes interviews
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stuff. 
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recorder up close to the TV and 
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show. 
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Then and then I would make these
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Elf of me interviewing Donald 
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that the you can sort of see the
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quite like that when you when 
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like I like that. 
I am an audio producer, radio 

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lots of people. 
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Brookes. 
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you mentioned there obviously. 
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And producer on radio for ready 
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Yeah. 
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production of a lot of 
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about comedy or comedians or 
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better word, such as the 
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Neil, Innes Les Dawson, Ken 
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You also hosts the podcast Radio
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Yes. 
So, tell me about that. 

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So that's that's the program I 
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So that's the only time I'm 
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is just production, really, but 
the sepulchers radio hour is a 

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weekly show on BBC, Radio, 4 
extra, and we basically round up

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a selection of podcasts on a 
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them and you kind of talk about 
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interview the people that make 
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So, It's really interesting 
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listen to a lot of new stuff. 
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stuff that maybe otherwise 
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You get to hear lots of 
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you people. 
It's so it's really interesting 

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thing to work on, and there are 
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It is quite a lot of work, but 
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have that mix of stuff, and it's
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you know, there are so many 
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Most comedians have a podcast, 
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featured as well. 
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like that. 
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there's just so many different 
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Go garden shed, produced 
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professionally, but yeah, it's 
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So you know, we might pick a 
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from, you know, just basic like 
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through to, like I've done ones 
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podcast and things like that. 
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quite interesting because I 
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Holmes, who is adopted and he we
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Main, and Mark steel. 
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performers. 
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obviously an excellent poet but 
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quite an interesting things, 
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all either appeared on podcasts 
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series about their childhoods. 
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So it had a comedy element to 
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and it was just this really 
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episode. 
It was, it was great. 

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It was really lovely to kind of 
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together I mean Almost everyone 
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particular interview is really 
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So yeah, it's nice to kind of 
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have a kind of sense of humor 
about it, really? 

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Yeah. 
And tell me about the shows that

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you've been involved in 
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So you've I know that you're a, 
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Neil Innes. 
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quite well, didn't you? 
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So, one of the lovely things 
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a Saturday. 
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deep dives into the archive. 
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together on a theme and you kind
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throw up of you know interesting
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sort of 40 50 years ago or 
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an era I have made. 
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I've met through our 
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I made one about this. 
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of the bonzo's and I made that 
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That's where we met. 
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worked together. 
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about Ken Campbell about Barry. 
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I also made one about the life 
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stanshall, and we got on So 
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amazing and really, very dear to
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early in my career and sort of 
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How to be creative in a way I 
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enough to do without that step, 
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having confidence in. 
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And he, you know, I think he was
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to his ability to try out new 
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try different angles and 
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media and all of that kind of 
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So, yeah, he was, he was amazing
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get over. 
The fact that I can say that I 

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knew him. 
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honor to spend any time in his 
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of time and his company. 
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grief from just about everybody,
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lovely because it is we felt we 
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huge. 
It was in Credibly lucky that 54

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years of Neil. 
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When I think of it life, he was 
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thought about the world and then
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the way he thought was 
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know. 
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spent a lot of time thinking 
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did he made that time? 
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What it was? 
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about things, they would sit and
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It didn't work at all. 
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so much to people and they gave 
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He took everything from his life
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The mented relevant to this as 
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steeped in comedy tradition as 
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Neal just seems so approachable,
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And everything. 
I've read about him as being as 

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being, you know, what a great 
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I always think of him whenever 
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first image that pops into my 
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the brave sir Robin. 
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He was not afraid to die for. 
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So he was not at all afraid to 
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scared to be mashed into a pulp,
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and his elbows broken to have 
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burned away and his limbs all 
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robbing his head smashed in, and
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liver removed, and 1,000-plus, 
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And he's fuckin burnt off in his
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That's a that's enough music for
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you know, in in the films and in
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delightfully odd, man. 
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thinking about things that that 
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He was he was incredible. 
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before and talked about the 
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didn't set out and they had no 
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you know, that the the way their
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they were doing kind of mad 
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kind of like art installations 
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things and you know, all sorts 
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So they had this like very Very 
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they were given a slot on, do 
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kids TV show in the 60s, which 
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Terry Jones, and also Denise 
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And so, they did lots of like 
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strange songs, and very strange 
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they were just this kind of 
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sketch, show for kids, and 
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half the pythons. 
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where that kind of crossover 
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I'm sure we'll come back to to 
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Barry Humphries like? 
Did you actually speak in deal 

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with? 
Did you meet? 

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Barry. 
Yeah, that was yeah. 

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So the program was presented by 
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know how to do wonderful. 
Novelist. 

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And force of Nature. 
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kitchen. 
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there. 
So she we did a sort of feature 

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length interview with him 
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Barry Humphries which was 
amazing. 

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Absolutely amazing. 
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another What's also interesting 
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think it's true of, you know, 
Spike Milligan as well. 

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It's like the just the way their
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else, you know, the way they see
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about things and the way they 
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to, you know, the norm, the 
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It's this constant searching for
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or how, To stop this being 
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kind of actually witness that 
firsthand where it's just, how 

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do you bring conversation to 
life? 

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How do you, how do you entertain
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I suppose. 
And he you know, Barry Humphries

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was very much like that. 
So, you know, there were lots of

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jokes and lots of I was going to
say lies. 

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But, you know, man, deliberately
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messing with the truth in order 
to get Aloft anything. 

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But it's just yeah, it was just 
fantastic to see. 

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So in that, in that program, so 
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So it was him kind of reflecting
on these programs that we pulled

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out the archive and like, you 
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man and he has lots of interests
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of history of like my my Germany
and that kind of thing. 

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So he had presented ready for 
documentaries about kind of 

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Cabaret. 
In Germany in the 20s and that 

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kind of thing. 
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that. 
So it was him kind of reflecting

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on that. 
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known for Dame Edna which is 
obviously this incredible thing,

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but there's so many other 
interesting angles to him and, 

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you know, he's very into art and
very into yes different types of

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four months. 
And yeah, just another 

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fascinating man, to listen to, I
wish I could remember, I must 

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have been 30 years ago. 
I saw a documentary about Barry 

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Humphries Something that do 
anything that sticks in my mind.

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I mean, I'm a, I was a fan and 
I'm a fan of a lot of his stuff.

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But, yeah, he told the story and
he may have told this to you, or

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you may be aware of this, and 
I've got it, I'm sure I've got 

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it completely wrong. 
But in my memory, when he was 

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growing up, when he was a 
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Hmm. 
And he told the story he used to

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go to this local store once a 
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He and his friends. 
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keeper and they would ask to see
a piece of soap. 

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Let him at that was you know, on
display behind the counter. 

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Yeah. 
And the storekeeper would reach 

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and get the soap and put it on 
the counter and then burying his

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friends would do and are at the 
soap and then say, thank you, 

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very politely and leave. 
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And a my memory is that he said,
every week they would go in to 

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see the soap, right? 
And they sustain this for maybe 

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eight, maybe 12 months. 
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the key to it was that then one 
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ask to see the soap and the 
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that you want to see the soap 
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that. 
It's just playing such a long 

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game but that's the thing. 
It's just like, you know, how 

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would, how do you arrive at 
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How do you set that up like, you
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saying that up is yeah but but 
yeah obviously you with touched 

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very very slightly on on the res
of this podcast which is well 

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it's the goons with the Goon 
show and and sellers seek Him 

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Milligan and benteen and 
everything to do with them and I

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invited you unlock Laura, 
because I wanted to talk to you.

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But, you know, I know that you 
have. 

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You did, girl. 
To send degree listening to the 

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goons. 
How did you? 

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Because I gather you are the 
right side of 40 still don't 

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want to go in there. 
I'm terribly. 

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Young terribly, aren't terribly 
young. 

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So, how did, how the hell did 
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So growing up, I lived with my 
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granddaughter said her parents, 
so the and I was the only child,

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right? 
Which basically meant, I was 

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spoiled rotten with attention 
and I guess, you know, I don't 

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think it wasn't like a 
deliberate thing. 

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I don't think anybody set out to
kind of go, oh, you shall make a

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career of this, but I was just 
brought up watching and 

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listening to Comedy. 
So I vividly. 

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Remember my name. 
Sharing with me like the radio 

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show she listened to as a kid. 
So that would be the Goon show 

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round the horn much binding in 
the marsh, things like that, 

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hmm. 
And she would just she loved 

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these things and loved 
silliness. 

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That was the thing. 
And, and, you know, she and my 

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granddaughter were a good match.
He was, he had a lovely silly 

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sense of humor and liked all of 
these same things and then, 

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similarly, my mum. 
Also kind of shared with me the 

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stuff she watched when she was 
younger. 

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So she brought me up watching 
Python and you know that then 

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led to the kind of the bonzo's 
and that kind of thing. 

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So yeah, it was just There was 
no II. 

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There was never a point in my 
life where like, I can't 

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remember having not been aware 
of who Spike Milligan was, who 

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Peter Sellers was who's Harry 
seeking was, who the pythons? 

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Where are they? 
They were just there, they were 

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always part of my, like, this is
this is what the good people 

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like this is, this is funny, 
this is what comedy is. 

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And it's there's a lot to be 
said, I think for that grounding

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because it just gave me the 
feeling that, comedy is You 

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know, it doesn't have to be 
serious. 

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It doesn't have to be satirical,
IE. 

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It can just be stupid. 
It can, it can kind of have a 

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point and make it in a very 
silly way or it can have no 

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point and just be silly. 
And that's funny too. 

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And I think this Joy of enjoying
yourself and sharing that with 

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other people as a means of 
making laugh. 

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Is kind of what I got from 
listening to that. 

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And actually, I mean what I have
it sitting next to me and I have

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talked about this on Radio 4 
extra before, but I actually 

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have the the vinyl decal records
1957 copy of the young tone song

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would be side of. 
I'm walking back from where it 

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was Christmas, which was my 
mom's and I played this, you 

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know, on those radio shows I 
used to make but I played this 

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so much as a kid. 
Right can still you know I still

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know all of the words and all of
the madbeatz and everything. 

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It takes you like the journey it
takes you on and it's one of my 

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most treasured possessions 
really I still have this tiny 

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tiny in tongues on record I show
you okay. 

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Oh wow yeah that's yeah its 
original its original wrapping 

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and everything. 
Yeah. 

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So This is yeah, this is my 
childhood, this this record. 

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It's yeah, I listen to it so 
often. 

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Yes ma'am. 
I'm walking Mike wants for 

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Christmas across the Irish sea 
walking to my quads of on 

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Christmas. 
It's the only thing for me. 

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Walking sideways and walking 
toward the front. 

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People just look at me and say 
the publicity stunt, I'm walking

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backwards for Christmas. 
Would you say cuz obviously the 

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Goon show, can can claim to be 
influenced by things, like, the 

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Marx Brothers. 
And people have read, you seen 

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Edward layer and Lewis Carroll 
influences, and even even things

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like Hollywood cartoons have 
influence. 

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Yeah, the Goon show, but would 
you say it is? 

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What's the word? 
What the culture was year? 

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Zero for British comedy, in a 
way it does kind of feel like 

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that. 
And I think the reason it feels 

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like that always put a pause 
because it's partly true. 

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But, you know obviously nothing 
is like There's no new ideas are

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there. 
It's all kind of everything 

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comes from somewhere but I think
the reason it feels like it's 

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true is because Because of 
python and they, you know, all 

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of them and and then also the 
bonzo's as well. 

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And Neil they all talk about 
hearing the Goon show for the 

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first time and it blowing their 
minds. 

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It just being this chaotic 
anarchic fun, like actual fun, 

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and everything was so prim and 
proper, and this is how you are,

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and this is how we need to be. 
And, you know, Daniel always 

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describe it as like women in 
head-to-head scar stress. 

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Like, Waiting and it's like, you
know, everybody was very Prim 

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and, you know, all very proper 
and this is, this is this is 

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what we have to be. 
And the goons weren't that, and 

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then that made the pythons not 
that and it made the bonzo's, 

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not that because it just showed 
this other way. 

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And as I was saying that the joy
in that, You know, if you if 

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that if that tickles you, if 
that does make you laugh but 

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it's just complete unabashed 
joy. 

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And so then you if you can kind 
of run with that feeling of 

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well, we're going to make 
entertainment that is joyful 

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silly, you know, let's just 
escape the horrors of the world 

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which obviously was a huge thing
for for Spike, you know. 

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That's A lot of his comedy was 
about, you know, not either 

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dealing head-on with the 
awfulness or avoiding the 

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awfulness. 
That's what that's what drove 

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him to write his comedy. 
And yeah, you can kind of, you 

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can hear that in the way they 
talk about war and army 

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generals, and those proper 
people. 

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You know, those proper people 
are the bad people. 

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Those proper people are the ones
who get us into trouble. 

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And that's a message that still 
Rings true today. 

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It's you know, these are all 
things that kind of fed into 

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Python and then obviously, you 
know, I there are very few You 

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know, famous modern Comics who 
don't like python has an 

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influence. 
It's it's just that showing that

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there is another way and if 
python show people that it's 

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because of the goons. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

446
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:41,400
And of course, the goons were, 
I'm not going to say 

447
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,100
revolutionary, but in terms of 
radio, comedy in Britain in the 

448
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:50,900
50s, having not really having, 
you know, having a beginning, 

449
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:55,900
having a middle sometimes, not 
really an end and and things. 

450
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,800
Just explode. 
I can really run with that not 

451
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,800
into things. 
Well, the gains were punctuated 

452
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:07,200
sequence with an explosion or 
yeah, but that's also why the 

453
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,900
goons shot sounded like nothing 
else that had been before 

454
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:13,300
because of the sound effects, 
the, the actual, you know, the 

455
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:16,900
radio nerdery available in 
listening to the particularly 

456
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:19,400
series of the goons, it was like
nothing else. 

457
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,700
Nobody used radio and sound as 
well as they did it. 

458
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,400
You know, they took you. 
On a journey and it's, you know,

459
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,100
the beauty of radio is, you 
know, unlike Telly. 

460
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:31,900
You don't actually have to be in
the place you are. 

461
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,500
You can create these worlds with
sounds and they've really did 

462
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:38,700
that in in a quite a magical way
really, you know, it was like it

463
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:43,600
was genuinely like nothing else 
before it and it just opened up 

464
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,200
this world of possibility of 
like, well, we can, we can do 

465
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,700
anything with sound really, we 
can make anything happen. 

466
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:51,600
We can say we're anywhere, we 
can create any kind of world in 

467
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,000
time, back at the camp, there, 
the German POW Camp, it's an 

468
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,200
abbreviation of prisoner Say 
para said, saves a necessity is 

469
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,400
in prison Awards. 
Much shorter takes less time at 

470
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,200
this game. 
We were having a party. 

471
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,100
We'd completed the bridge and 
all the layers and having a 

472
00:30:05,108 --> 00:30:19,100
sing-song definitive, 
she home major spoon. 

473
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,400
Thank you, man. 
Well, as you can see, we've 

474
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,500
taught our captors how we 
English can build a wooden 

475
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:31,700
bridge over a water river. 
So let us stand raise our right 

476
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:41,700
legs and sing our national 
anthem a few years ago on the 

477
00:30:41,708 --> 00:30:44,300
radio for extra comedy club, 
which is every night from 10:00 

478
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,700
till midnight. 
And we have some kind of more 

479
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:49,600
recent, so not your classic 
comedies, but more recent radio 

480
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,800
comedies from like the last sort
of 30 years or so. 

481
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,700
And it's presented by comedian. 
So we have a great range of 

482
00:30:56,700 --> 00:31:00,500
comics Who present on their 
legacy City and John Holmes, and

483
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,600
Jessica Foster q and Jake. 
Yap, and lots of other lovely 

484
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,800
people. 
I'm not going to list all of 

485
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:11,100
them, but they, a few years ago,
Jake and I did a gun show, 

486
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,600
special in the comedy club, 
where we rebroadcast. 

487
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:19,800
Just a couple of our favorite 
episodes and we were really 

488
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,700
lucky enough to interview normal
Farms, who was spikes agent. 

489
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:27,400
Yes. 
And Eric Sykes is Agent. 

490
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,000
And another one of those force 
of nature, kind of people. 

491
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,200
She, yeah. 
She was brilliant. 

492
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,200
She was full of stories and it's
actually available. 

493
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,800
You can listen to the interview 
on BBC. 

494
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,900
Sounds, if you, if you want to 
go and seek it out and there's 

495
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:42,500
still has it. 
It is on there, still? 

496
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,600
Yeah. 
But So, Jake and I were kind of 

497
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,900
lucky enough to, to chat to her 
for that, which was amazing 

498
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:51,000
because she was, she was 
brilliant. 

499
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,900
And she invited us to the London
performance of the Goon show 

500
00:31:55,900 --> 00:32:00,000
tour, which was a real 
re-creation of a goon show 

501
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,200
recording. 
So that it was a, it was a live 

502
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,900
performance of one of the 
scripts or a couple of scripts. 

503
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,100
And then afterwards there was a 
Q&A which Jake hosted and the 

504
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:14,100
guests were Norma and Jane 
Milligan. 

505
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,600
And She is odd. 
So it was just a wonderful 

506
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:23,100
evening of kind of goon show 
fandom and insight stories and 

507
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:25,400
all of this kind of stuff. 
So it was an amazing opportunity

508
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,400
and that all came about because 
we had such a lovely time. 

509
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,500
Chatting didn't bomber on the 
comedy club and I just went 

510
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,400
along watched it. 
I just went along for the ride 

511
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,300
but yeah, it was great. 
You know what's so amazing about

512
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:41,500
this job is just getting to 
actually meet these people that 

513
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:45,400
have been involved in. 
Some of the most important and 

514
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,700
informative things in my life. 
It's incredible to just actually

515
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:54,000
get to hear stories and hear 
them tell those stories. 

516
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,400
It's amazing. 
Yes. 

517
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800
And you know it's nice to kind 
of record them and put them on 

518
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,800
the radio so other people can 
enjoy them, too. 

519
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,700
The idea with the four of them 
and thought that would quite 

520
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:19,900
talented and he arranged for 
them to do a pilot pilot was 

521
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:24,700
called cells castle and they 
were hoped that Roy was going to

522
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:28,500
be the producer and they brought
somebody in college sharks Brown

523
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:34,200
who wasn't on the wavelengths at
all and was Auntie Studio. 

524
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,000
Audiences for comedy. 
Oh, they okay. 

525
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,000
They would do it without the 
audience but it wouldn't be 

526
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:46,900
heard by the planners until the 
four boys got together and 

527
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,200
decided whether it was good or 
bad. 

528
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,300
He made this pact but he went 
back on his word. 

529
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,300
Oh and the kind of said it was 
Bloody awful. 

530
00:33:55,300 --> 00:34:00,100
And so do you are there any 
particular goon show episode 

531
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:03,400
your characters that stick in 
your mind or even sequences from

532
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,000
shows that? 
You're particularly fond of. 

533
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:08,800
There's, so there's so much, I'd
you know what? 

534
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,000
I don't even think I can be 
specific, which is possibly not 

535
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,900
helpful. 
I just because I will listen to 

536
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:20,100
so much of it as a kid. 
It almost like it sort of washed

537
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:23,900
over me, you know, in a way that
I just sort of immersed myself 

538
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:30,199
in it and and enjoyed it. 
And, you know, it kind of, it's 

539
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,400
just always been there for me. 
And then when I started working 

540
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,300
at well, Was BBC seven and it's 
now ready for extra. 

541
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:41,699
And the goons were on it, it 
just felt so, right? 

542
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,100
And it was such a, you know, it 
was it was it felt like coming 

543
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,300
home almost. 
It was like, so lovely to kind 

544
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:52,199
of have this place where classic
comedy is still available to 

545
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:58,900
listen to and, you know, we we 
broadcast, you know, the the 

546
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:05,400
series regularly because it's 
one of those Like comedies, that

547
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,000
deserves to be said, to be 
heard. 

548
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,800
And it's like, you know, like 
around the horn, like Hancock. 

549
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,000
It's, it's important. 
It's actually an important part 

550
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,800
of our cultural history. 
I think so I'll of the Radio 4 

551
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,200
extra is the home of it. 
Yeah, do you know you just on 

552
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,000
there? 
I mean, I'd like to talk about, 

553
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:26,200
let's say it ready for is for 
being the home of classic comedy

554
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,900
and hmm and how, what sort of 
Best Thing figures to you. 

555
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,800
Get for things like the Goon 
show for things like Hancock 

556
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,100
things like that. 
So, The classic comedy. 

557
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,700
The classic comedies are one of 
the most listened to things on 

558
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,300
the network. 
So there is still an audience 

559
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,400
there. 
I mean, you know, we have to be 

560
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,500
kind of careful with some of the
things because a lot of it is of

561
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:49,100
its time. 
Shall we say? 

562
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,400
As I say it's part of British 
culture, it is a sort of 

563
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,500
foundation block really. 
And so it's important to 

564
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:59,800
actually be a still have access 
to it and these things can be 

565
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:06,100
kind of set up as You can kind 
of contextualize them and give 

566
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:09,100
their place in history and talk 
about, you know, their influence

567
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:12,300
on Modern comedy because modern 
comedy wouldn't be as it is 

568
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:16,300
without these programs. 
So yeah, there is definitely an 

569
00:36:16,308 --> 00:36:19,000
audience out there for it 
because it's one of the most 

570
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,500
listened to things on for extra.
So and I know that the gun show 

571
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,800
over the years has has been I 
mean, even when it, you know, 

572
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,600
when it went out it was edited 
for overseas sales and mmm. 

573
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,300
It's were taken out and 
sometimes It's were put back in 

574
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,400
in later years. 
Yeah, and and it, you know, even

575
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,200
the commercial releases in the 
60s, they would take the music 

576
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,700
out. 
So it's always being word 

577
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,000
facilitated, I suppose even. 
Yeah. 

578
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:52,400
And there are, you know, when I 
was growing up listening to it 

579
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:58,400
as a teenager at that time there
were there were sometimes 

580
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,700
sequences or lines or characters
in the show which we've 

581
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:05,400
completely To me at the time. 
Innocuous. 

582
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,700
But you listen back now and you 
kind of think we all know it's 

583
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:12,000
time has moved on now and yeah, 
I'm not saying that this is what

584
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,000
you guys would do it for extra. 
But, you know, I know that that 

585
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,700
a lot of people who are sort of 
DieHard fans of classic comedy 

586
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,200
sometimes. 
Get annoyed when radio stations 

587
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,900
or broadcasters Tamp, what they 
say, what? 

588
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:30,100
They perceive as tamper with the
classics. 

589
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:30,600
Yeah. 
Okay. 

590
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:34,100
And what I would say to that is 
if you know, fine. 

591
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:37,300
Everything is out there 
available in some shape or form.

592
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:42,800
And if you if you want to in the
case of, you know, I don't know,

593
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,200
an old classic television 
series, you might buy the DVD, 

594
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,700
you've invited that into your 
home in a sense, you know, if 

595
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:53,900
it's uncut, that's all well and 
good because you've taken the 

596
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:56,300
choice to bring that into your 
home and screen it. 

597
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,400
The same goes for a CD of radio 
comedy. 

598
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,800
Yeah, but the something that's 
going on the radio, You've Got 

599
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,200
No Control roll over that and 
then you don't get screwed in 

600
00:38:06,207 --> 00:38:09,400
casting, the very word itself is
broadcasting. 

601
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,600
That's the that's the thing. 
And it, you know, my my feeling 

602
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,800
on it is and this is me talking 
as me, not as a representative 

603
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,300
of the BBC. 
Just but I kind of feel like 

604
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:22,900
with something like the Goon 
show there is, there are some 

605
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:26,600
things that are and I will 
politely say of their time. 

606
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,800
There are some things that now 
are just not, okay? 

607
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,600
And not funny and I think it 
would be a real shame given that

608
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,100
for As have this platform to 
share these classic comedies and

609
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,700
you know possibly show them to 
share them with new audiences. 

610
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,900
I can't see the harm in removing
things that would make them 

611
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,000
completely unpalatable to a new 
audience when you're actually a 

612
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,700
when you're able to share the 
kind of joy and the 

613
00:38:55,700 --> 00:39:00,100
groundbreaking nature of, you 
know, the use of audio and the 

614
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:03,100
writing. 
I you know, some some some of 

615
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:07,200
the gun show is just Utterly 
brilliant, and the best examples

616
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,600
of Comedy. 
If you can share that with a new

617
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,200
audience by slightly, tweaking 
it so that it's not completely 

618
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,600
unpalatable to to a modern 
audience or to new audiences. 

619
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,500
I don't see why you wouldn't do 
that. 

620
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:26,400
Sure, yeah, good. 
So yeah, moving on, in terms of 

621
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,400
python and and you got into pie 
from through your mum. 

622
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:32,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I suppose there was sort of a 

623
00:39:32,008 --> 00:39:35,800
thing of like, Python felt, and 
this makes me sound really old. 

624
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,600
But pythian felt kind of knew 
when it was still happening. 

625
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,500
The people were still around 
still working. 

626
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,300
Yeah. 
Whereas I think the Goon show 

627
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:46,300
felt like a historical thing, so
while I listened to it, and I 

628
00:39:46,308 --> 00:39:49,000
loved it. 
And, you know, I was, I was very

629
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,100
aware of how influential and 
important it was I think in 

630
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:56,000
terms of active fandom, I got 
carried along with the pythons. 

631
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,200
So I think that's what happened,
but obviously, you know, the 

632
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,500
nature of my job, but also 
dipping into To listening to the

633
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:08,100
gun show and I mean spikes, 
poetry as well is a thing. 

634
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:11,700
I, you know, I have I have some 
of these collected poems and 

635
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,800
things like that, you know, I've
always, I know, I keep saying 

636
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,800
this, but they've just always 
been there, they've always been 

637
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,800
there. 
And I, I love that, I'm very 

638
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,500
grateful, that that is true. 
And what I like is, as I've met 

639
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:31,200
people and worked with people 
and, you know, cultivating 

640
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,200
relationships with various 
Brilliantly, talented people, we

641
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,000
have this shared thing that 
covers the goons and Python, and

642
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,200
this sort of shared fandom 
thing. 

643
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:47,800
And when I worked with Neil 
Innes, we had this shed thing 

644
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,700
with the goons and, and the joy 
of the goons and, and how great 

645
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:55,700
it was. 
And also, there's no way of 

646
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:59,000
saying this without sounding, 
like, I'm just name-dropping, 

647
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,100
but I know one we worked on. 
Of the programs we made. 

648
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:07,500
We had Terry Gilliam as a guest 
and the three of us went out for

649
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:09,700
lunch. 
After we record it, which is one

650
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:13,500
of the most ridiculous and 
joyous things, whatever happened

651
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:18,800
to be and that lunch we were 
talking about the goons and how 

652
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,500
incredible it was and how 
mind-blowing it was. 

653
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:23,300
And how that kind of, you know, 
without the goons, there 

654
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:25,900
wouldn't have been Python and 
without python there wouldn't be

655
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:29,600
comedy here and in and in 
America really like, you know, 

656
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,900
influenced everything so yeah. 
It's so important. 

657
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:44,200
And when I went, I stayed with 
Neil in France a few years ago 

658
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:47,500
and he found out that I hadn't 
seen doc. 

659
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:51,300
So we were trying to find a film
to watch and I said, I had he 

660
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:53,900
was suggesting films and I said,
oh, I hadn't seen dr. 

661
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:56,900
Strangelove and so, he made us 
watch it. 

662
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,100
It's so, so my experience of 
watching, dr. 

663
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:02,600
Strangelove was in Neil. 
Innes is living room. 

664
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:08,200
Which is which is great. 
It's, you know, I have a I would

665
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,000
have a great affection for that 
film anyway because it's funny 

666
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,500
and it's silly and it's 
ridiculous. 

667
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:16,700
But also just to add that layer 
to it in my life is. 

668
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:20,500
Yeah, it's ridiculous. 
I stopped name-dropping. 

669
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:23,500
Now, that's all right. 
What was Terry like in general? 

670
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,200
How did he was? 
He was he just just full of 

671
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,600
stories or was he? 
Yeah, just so, you know, he was 

672
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:37,400
so alive, you know? 
So just exciting and interested 

673
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,400
and the conversation was so 
wide-ranging and it darted all 

674
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,300
over the place. 
And, you know, he was kind of 

675
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:49,600
angry, like angry about the 
state of the world politics, and

676
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,300
all of that, which is something 
Neil. 

677
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,600
Also wasn't something I also am.
So it's yeah. 

678
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:59,700
Yeah, it was, it was very yeah, 
I'd live. 

679
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:00,900
I think. 
Is that is the word. 

680
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:06,100
It's just, it was so kind of 
Fast-paced conversation, it was 

681
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:09,400
amazing. 
It was really amazing to be able

682
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,600
to keep up. 
I think I did just watch for a 

683
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,000
little bit, to be honest. 
But yeah. 

684
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:18,400
You know, it's just one of those
things where you go. 

685
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,900
I can't I can't pass up this 
opportunity. 

686
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:25,800
Yeah. 
And what about Ken Campbell you 

687
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,600
did a three hour show on 
Campbell I did. 

688
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:34,300
So I never met Ken Campbell And 
this came about. 

689
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:37,800
So I worked with Diane Morgan a 
lot? 

690
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,700
Yes. 
So she she presented the program

691
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:45,800
I made about Neal's life and 
work and we've done a couple of 

692
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,700
other programs together. 
We've known each other quite a 

693
00:43:48,707 --> 00:43:50,400
while. 
We've actually used to go and 

694
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:53,100
see the bonzo's together and 
things like that. 

695
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:59,500
So you know we've known each 
other for ages and she worked 

696
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:04,300
with Ken Campbell her first 
acting job was In the warp, can 

697
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:13,600
Campbell's, 24-hour play. 
And so she met him, loved him 

698
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,600
and wanted to, you know, wanted 
to celebrate him in the way that

699
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,300
I had done with the things that 
I loved. 

700
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:24,000
And so we made it together. 
So this, you know, the Ken 

701
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,700
Campbell one wasn't my, it 
wasn't my personal project. 

702
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:30,500
If you see what I mean, like the
other things. 

703
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,400
Yes. 
Like Les Dawson and the eyes and

704
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,300
stuff would like my personal 
loves but Yeah, this was 

705
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:42,300
Diane's. 
You know, requests if you like 

706
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,900
and it was a, it was such an 
incredible journey that we went 

707
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:49,700
on. 
And we interviewed Nina Conti 

708
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:51,400
and just had this, you know, 
incredible. 

709
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,800
So because she adored him and 
she has all of his ventriloquist

710
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,500
dummies now and he changed her 
life. 

711
00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:02,100
Like, you know, completely 
changed the course of her life 

712
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:05,200
and career. 
So it's it was just an 

713
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,300
incredible thing to hear her 
talk about. 

714
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:11,300
Him with such love and affection
and emotion. 

715
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:17,100
But again, he's just he is 
another one of those people that

716
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,600
thinks about things in a 
completely different way that 

717
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,000
had this approach to life that 
was you know, not like anybody 

718
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,400
else. 
It was always trying to be 

719
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,100
different trying to, where's the
fun? 

720
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:32,400
Do you know and Diane said that 
when he was directing her and 

721
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,700
things. 
And this has been backed up by 

722
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:36,200
other people. 
It's like, do whatever you want,

723
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,000
but don't be boring. 
During its that it's just like 

724
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,500
don't bore me, like, whatever 
you're going to do entertain me,

725
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:45,700
this is entertainment. 
If we're not having fun, we're 

726
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:47,600
doing it wrong to quote, Neil. 
Innes. 

727
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,900
It's like, that's, you know, 
that's the point of all of this.

728
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:53,600
If we're working in comedy, were
working in entertainment. 

729
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:56,100
We should be having fun. 
Yeah, if you're not, if you're 

730
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:59,900
not, you're doing it wrong. 
And yeah, Ken Campbell 

731
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:02,000
definitely had that sort of an 
attitude. 

732
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:06,300
And yeah, that again, just 
fascinating stories about a 

733
00:46:06,308 --> 00:46:09,900
fascinating man. 
Yeah, we discuss Kim Campbell on

734
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:14,900
this show before. 
Hmm, one of those pioneering 

735
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:18,600
entertainers who on the sort of 
Fringe Of Fame. 

736
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,900
What are those recognizable 
faces? 

737
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:23,100
But people can't really put a 
name to that, they'd have 

738
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:25,500
settled, that they'll have seen 
in that episode of Fawlty 

739
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:28,300
Towers. 
And yes, and it was elf, garnets

740
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:32,900
neighbor and but that's it. 
But there's just so much more to

741
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:37,100
him than that. 
Yeah, the the pursuit of like, 

742
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:41,000
All the way he kind of taught 
people how to improvise and like

743
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,000
accessing the lizard brain where
you don't think about what 

744
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,700
you're doing, you feel it, and 
you are it and you immerse 

745
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:49,600
yourself in it and it's just a 
completely different way of 

746
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,700
Performing and yeah. 
It's fact it's fascinating and 

747
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:58,500
it's fascinating to hear the 
people that he taught or 

748
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:03,700
mentored kind of talked about, 
how it just changes, how they do

749
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:05,300
things. 
And therefore it changes the 

750
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:08,000
opportunities they've had and 
the things that I've done. 

751
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:12,000
Yeah. 
It's the power of of these sorts

752
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,400
of people is, is incredible. 
Yeah. 

753
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,800
And one of the this is one of 
the great things about doing 

754
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,900
this podcast. 
Is that? 

755
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,000
Yes as you know talk about the 
goons goons, some talk about 

756
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,500
Sellers and Milligan and whatnot
but as with our conversation 

757
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:30,300
today, it will spin off. 
We'll talk about other people 

758
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:35,900
who have been hugely influential
figures in terms of the world of

759
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,400
British comedy or comedy in 
general. 

760
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,700
Wrong. 
And and someone might Ken 

761
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:42,900
Campbell is right up there. 
Yeah, I'm thinking with, you 

762
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:46,200
know, I've had Michael lives 
Leon previously. 

763
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,400
Who? 
Yeah. 

764
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,600
You don't you know Michael? 
Yes, yeah, yeah. 

765
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,400
Who'd worked with the bonzo's 
and he was talking about Bruce 

766
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,000
Lacey. 
Yeah. 

767
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,300
And people like that. 
And it's a shame that these 

768
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:06,300
people aren't celebrated 
anymore. 

769
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:09,900
Unsellable, where difference? 
Celebrated to a huge extent in 

770
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:13,300
their lifetimes. 
Yeah and I, you know, I quite 

771
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:18,600
like that for extras, use of the
BBC archive, and Country 

772
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,900
broadcasting these things, just 
it's just kind of Sharing those 

773
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:28,300
people that had the huge effect 
on the people around them and 

774
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:30,700
kind of sharing their stories 
and their life and work. 

775
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:33,800
It's I think it's, it's a good 
thing to do, really. 

776
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,400
Do you have an opinion on on 
radio comedy now or over the 

777
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,400
last 10 to 20 years? 
Do you have an opinion either 

778
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,500
way? 
I mean that that sounds like 

779
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:50,700
that there can only be one 
opinion because you know I think

780
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:53,500
there's a there's a Thing on for
extra like, you know, we have a 

781
00:48:53,508 --> 00:48:57,000
classic comedy, our everyday and
some of the classic comedies are

782
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,600
genuine, bona fide, classic 
comedies and they absolutely 

783
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,200
should be rebroadcast. 
They should be rebroadcast 

784
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,200
regularly. 
We should have, or have regular 

785
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,600
opportunities to hear the blood 
donor or, you know, whatever 

786
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,300
like Hancock round, the horn 
these and the goons these 

787
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:14,500
incredible groundbreaking 
series. 

788
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,900
But then there are some comedies
that are just old and that's 

789
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:23,000
maybe not enough. 
And That's true. 

790
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:25,600
That's true then and it's true 
now. 

791
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,100
So some radio comedy Now is 
brilliant. 

792
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,300
There are some brilliant things 
on. 

793
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:33,300
There are also some not great 
things, but that's sort of the 

794
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:37,600
point of Comedy troupe is yeah, 
comedy is subjective. 

795
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,000
I'm sure some people don't like 
the things I like and some 

796
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,300
people will like the things I 
don't like, and people's sense 

797
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:52,300
of humor does vary wildly and I 
think people, There should be 

798
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:56,200
sort of available comedy for for
everybody on the radio. 

799
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,300
So, you know, there's some stuff
I really like, there's some 

800
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,400
stuff I don't really like and 
that should be true of 

801
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,000
everybody. 
And that would be true of the 

802
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,500
comedy commissioner, and comedy 
producers everywhere. 

803
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:11,100
Yeah, there's that, there's that
tedious argument that people 

804
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:17,400
people on forums always, well, 
about the Golden Age of Comedy 

805
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,200
or the Golden Age of TV or 
whatever it may be forgetting 

806
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:26,800
that 80-85 percent of it. 
That's forgot was forgettable. 

807
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,700
Is yes, it was. 
Oh wait. 

808
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:31,700
Yeah, disposable. 
Yeah, I mean, what is great 

809
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:35,000
about comedy? 
Now, is its Diversified 

810
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,800
massively. 
So there are, there are so many 

811
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,700
different possible platforms for
people to find their voice to 

812
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:44,100
find what they want to say, and 
how they want to say it and work

813
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:47,000
all that stuff out. 
There's so many different 

814
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,300
opportunities available. 
It's not just Radio anymore, and

815
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:57,800
it's not just Telly anymore and 
it's not just white men anymore.

816
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,600
So it's and that's that's a good
thing. 

817
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,100
That's a great thing. 
There are so many brilliant 

818
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:10,500
Comics that you you know 
probably wouldn't have had an 

819
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:14,900
opportunity during this 
so-called major of Comedy, do 

820
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:16,700
you think there's too much stuff
now? 

821
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:21,400
Do you think too much choice in 
terms of That at the beginning 

822
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,200
like when you know to move 
talking about me doing podcasts,

823
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,700
radio hour and Randall, that 
stuff up there is so much stuff.

824
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,100
Yes. 
And I think it would be I think 

825
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:34,400
is probably impossible to even, 
listen, to all the stuff you 

826
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,500
like, I think there is too much 
stuff, but the thing is, I think

827
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:45,200
things do find Their audience. 
So, yeah, I you know, I don't 

828
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,800
think it's a bad thing. 
I think, what the problem is is 

829
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,600
that, you know, Asians haven't 
really caught up with funding 

830
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,800
the different elements that are 
available to people. 

831
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,700
So, there are places where the 
money is to fund things and 

832
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:01,400
budget for things. 
And there is, there are, you 

833
00:52:01,408 --> 00:52:04,400
know, places where you can 
create stuff, but you perhaps 

834
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:10,400
won't get paid for it. 
Yeah, so yeah, it's just I'm 

835
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,900
just asking because I obviously,
I love comedy. 

836
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,700
Hmm. 
And it's been I don't really, 

837
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:19,900
I'm not really kept my finger on
the pulse of modern company I 

838
00:52:19,908 --> 00:52:23,700
suppose for what Better phrase. 
All the comedy is sold. 

839
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:26,400
Watch things like inside number 
9, or yeah. 

840
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:31,700
All the recent Partridge series 
because it's comforting. 

841
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:34,500
It's something that I'm, it's 
people that I'm aware of if you 

842
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:39,200
like, but it's really difficult 
for me to discover new comic, 

843
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,400
not difficult. 
It's just, I don't listen to the

844
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,900
radio as much as I used to, or 
be honest because podcasts have 

845
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:48,100
taken over. 
Yeah. 

846
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:52,600
And whereas I used to listen to 
so for all the time in the, you 

847
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,900
know, 20 years ago, sorry I've 
been clearer but listening to 

848
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,200
Marcus big stop show. 
What is it? 

849
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:00,500
Charles won't be hog and things 
like that, I discovered things 

850
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:01,700
like that through, listen to the
radio. 

851
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:06,700
But but it's the last 10 years, 
even 15 years, I think the last 

852
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:11,000
comedy series that I actually 
discovered purely by accident 

853
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:16,300
and just how with laughter 
within minutes of discovering it

854
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:20,500
was I was flicking through 
channels about five years ago. 

855
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:25,100
And toast of London was our yeah
these are super fun was a 

856
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:27,000
pseudonym. 
Sometimes used by a rival of 

857
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,100
mine, a total Pratt, by the name
of Ray purchase. 

858
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,100
But yeah, it's difficult. 
Now to kind of get a foothold in

859
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:39,100
terms of comedy and terms of I 
listen to John finnemore 

860
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:41,400
souvenir program. 
I thought that was excellent. 

861
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:45,600
Yeah, but that's about it. 
Really But the thing is that, 

862
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,100
you know, there is a, there's a 
lot of good stuff available and 

863
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:51,400
there's a lot of good stuff 
available just online. 

864
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,800
And you kind of say that you 
listen to podcasts rather than 

865
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,300
the radio, but it's like, well, 
you're still listening, it's 

866
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:02,000
still, it is still that Medium 
that intimate direct medium. 

867
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,800
Its he's still the playing with 
sound thing. 

868
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:10,300
And so, you know, I think I 
think it's a huge time of quite 

869
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:13,300
rapid change in terms of 
broadcasting. 

870
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:17,900
Because of the internet. 
And so people have a platform 

871
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:20,200
that they can use to kind of 
share their stuff and share 

872
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:25,300
their creativity. 
The isn't necessarily making it 

873
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:30,200
to Telly, or to broadcast radio 
button podcasting means that 

874
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,000
people can just go out there and
do it and it's not. 

875
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,500
Well, why wouldn't you go out 
there and do it? 

876
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:38,400
If you have faith in your idea, 
you have an idea, you should go 

877
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,500
out there and do it. 
So yeah. 

878
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:45,700
It's it's hard because there is 
so much stuff and there's a lot 

879
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:48,700
of noise and I think there's 
probably just as many creators 

880
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:54,200
as there are listeners now but 
yes that's you know, I I think I

881
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,300
think you know, the rapid change
will mean that broadcasters have

882
00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:04,500
to kind of work out how there. 
What their model is really. 

883
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,900
Because I think it's absolutely 
valid that all of these things 

884
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:15,600
are available and that people 
who have something to say get to

885
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,800
say it and say in a way that 
they want and hopefully they'll 

886
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,300
find their voice and they will 
find Their audience and they 

887
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:27,700
will maybe find other people 
that they can work with, and 

888
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:30,200
make it better. 
And that kind of thing, I think 

889
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,700
listening, you know, podcasts 
and radio. 

890
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:38,200
It's very intimate and it is 
very You know, it's very 

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personal and actually inviting 
somebody to speak directly into 

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your ears is sort of quite, it's
quite an honor to have that 

893
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opportunity. 
So it's You know, I think it's 

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nice that people have the 
opportunity to kind of put their

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ideas and make them happen. 
So lately because I've met so 

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many people through in the last 
12 months, just read through 

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doing this through, hmm. 
Then either being guests on the 

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show who, you know, people that 
I've met on social media who 

899
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said I really dig the show and 
I'd like, you know, don't well 

900
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either invited themselves on or 
I've invited them on or 

901
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whatever. 
And also people that, you know, 

902
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have just said, look, I'm quite 
happy just to listen but if 

903
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contributed in terms of feedback
and comments and information and

904
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all sorts of stuff, so it's it's
amazing and it really It's 

905
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really, really great creative 
outlet and probably within 12 

906
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months every second person in 
the world will have a podcast. 

907
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,700
Yeah. 
But so what? 

908
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Yeah yeah I you know I think 
things will find Their audience 

909
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or they won't and people stop it
or change it or whatever but 

910
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it's like you know I think 
That's the beauty of podcasting 

911
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:56,200
is that it's open to everybody. 
And, you know, there are some 

912
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,300
incredible like independent 
sketch, comedy podcast that 

913
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happening, but aren't funded by 
anybody that people are just 

914
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,400
doing because they have these 
funny ideas and they want to 

915
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,900
share them and there's some 
really good stuff out there. 

916
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So it's like I don't know, I 
think it's good that people can 

917
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:14,900
kind of make stuff and kind of 
show what they can do, because 

918
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then it also means that, you 
know, broadcasters can have 

919
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,500
something concrete to base a 
commission on, or something like

920
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that. 
It's yeah, yeah. 

921
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:26,400
I think it's good and he's like,
it's like people have that 

922
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opportunity. 
It's a testing ground in some 

923
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,200
ways as. 
Yeah. 

924
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And if people want to hear this 
sort of thing that they can 

925
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,300
listen to things like podcasts 
radio, our, we're actually doing

926
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:39,700
a live episode, not broadcasts 
life, but we're Doing it in 

927
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:42,400
front of an audience at the 
profile show next week, but that

928
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,200
may not. 
I don't know when this is going 

929
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,700
out, but that may have already 
happened. 

930
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,100
Okay. 
Well, thank you again. 

931
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:51,300
I'm so I hope it hasn't been too
much of a hair-raising 

932
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:53,000
experience for you. 
No, not at all. 

933
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,800
It's been absolutely. 
Thank you so much, Tyler. 

934
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:59,800
Thanks again to Laura. 
Thanks for listening, please 

935
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,600
follow on Twitter, it's Adkins 
should pot please rate and 

936
00:58:02,607 --> 00:58:05,900
review on iTunes and on Spotify,
think you can do that now as 

937
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:08,800
well. 
And just spread the word I have.

938
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:14,000
What 50 nearly 60 shows in the 
archive, they're all available. 

939
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,900
So if you haven't read some of 
those, please go back and seek 

940
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:19,100
them out. 
And I will be back next week 

941
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:22,800
with another show which I think 
is going to be about a film. 

942
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:25,900
So, look out for that. 
Anyway, in the meantime, take 

943
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:27,700
care of yourselves. 
See you soon. 

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Bye.