What about this? Gasping.
Hey, president friend who's a Southland, gas Port, 3 pounds,
twelve Shillings and ninepence room.
Look, I'll tell you what. Go down to the basement, read
the meter and just make sure right come back goes.
That'll give us breathing space money.
I think how empty the room is without him?
Jump St. The content of Lucy's with tanks
are attacking. We've got to evacuate by the
rents, much too high. Here pack the floor, will
leaving everything ceiling. The Cowardly swans.
I ran away. They're frightened of eel.
High neural. Aston Villa.
Hello and welcome to goon pod. This podcast in apple podcast is
actually categorized as part of the TV & film category.
Even though it is actually mainly focused on a an old radio
show. We do talk about films and TV of
course. But anyway that's that's What
it's categorized as and it's not to be confused with some
similarly named podcast such as bun pod which is devoted to the
1980s, Michael elphic, television show.
There's Moon pod which celebrates the character of
Alfie Moon from EastEnders played by Shane Richie.
Is he still in that? And is also the very confusing
Terry and June pod that I've really got no idea what they
wanted. About this week.
I have got all the way from Australia, wonderful podcaster,
who goes by the name of Jeffers, and Jeffers is the host of The
Incredible podcast. Oh, cat flap, oh podcast.
And he and I had a fantastic conversation talking about a
particular goon show, which is very dear to his heart and I
hope you enjoy the chat. You don't know this but I've
been aware of your voice or where have you forgot.
It must be coming on for it a decade.
Maybe, because how long ago did you start the goodies podcast?
Yeah, that was dumb early 2010. Yeah.
Right. Okay.
So I would have come across that probably yeah around about 2011
2012, something like that because because back in those
days as you probably know Yourself, no fans of TV.
Comedy like us, there was there was slim Pickins, and it came to
podcasts that catered for our tastes.
That's certainly not the case these days but back then, you
know. So I would sometimes, you know,
on iTunes, on search for keywords, like, I know,
Blackadder or Steptoe, or goodies.
And I know that must have thrown up your podcast back in the day,
and I listened, I member downloading All of the available
ones at the time and just binge listening because you know, I'm
a huge fan of. Well, I was a huge fan of the
goodies. I've kind of I still am but I
don't watch them so much these days.
I don't know why you're Australian.
Yes. Yeah.
Grew up in New Zealand. The goodies were huge down
under. Yeah, they still shown in
Australia. Oh yeah, I wouldn't know.
I mean, certainly not on free-to-air.
There's a few streaming services around the globe that have got
the goodies playing at the moment.
But I mean because I've got them on DVD of course now and that
took a squillion years. I think it was 2018 before they
finally all got released on DVD. So now I just you know watch
them on that it was youself and was it Jane was like, yeah yeah
my wife Jane. Yeah, your wife.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. And and there was clearly a lot.
Of love between you and J but also a lot of love for the
goodies. Yeah.
In a way. I mean, as you rightly pointed
out, we are all raised on it. So in Australia, you get home,
it's the afternoon and the ABC would be playing, you know, I
mean it constantly changed but they play this lineup of you
might get banana man and then you'll get the goodies and that
would lead up to Doctor Who. And so you know while poor old
Doctor Who fans in the UK are starving for Doctor Who we were
just getting repeats and lessly on the ABC and we It all these
goodies and then that would just go on and on for what seemed
like years and what was years as the goodies podcast?
Now, is that finished officially or is it still kind of suspended
animation? Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. I'll throw out an episode every
now and again I mean so we had an anniversary a couple of years
ago. So I did a whole bunch of
episodes in a row. In fact last year, 2022 are
actually got on. The biggest role I've been on in
years and we put out Four or five episodes in a row,
something like that. But then prior to that, we had a
couple of years where we put our look two or three episodes.
But when we started out and this is why I admire goon part is we
were going weekly and it's very difficult to keep up that sort
of weekly pace. And so then we ended up going to
monthly and then it just devolved to an episode or
whenever yeah, yeah I'm hoping I will not obviously.
I've had there's been a break on this podcast for through
necessity but hoping that I can continue the weekly On that for
the foreseeable at least as well as the goodies podcast, I have
dipped into sitcom Showdown, which is another podcast you do.
Yeah, that one is more regular. Yeah, that's that's monthly.
Mmm, I'll do that one with my brother Steve and that's like in
a way. I don't even consider it one of
my podcast because it's it was very much his idea.
And so, you know, we all just get together here in my little
office. And watch a sitcom together.
And you know it used to be the format was Steve or I would
bring in something and not tell the other one what it was and
then you go away and watch it. Get the reaction and talk about
it afterwards. But then we found for various
reasons that doesn't work. And so now recently, we've taken
to actually saying, here's what we're going to watch, you've got
a week to watch and then bring your comments in.
And so we just do a sit, a different sitcom each month it
Lots of fun at Great again while I was away.
I had a lot of time to watch stuff and you know, I'd stuff
downloaded on my laptop and all the rest of it.
And I would consider one of the most joyful, half hours of
Comedy ever is the null and sisters episode of filthy rich
in cat flap, okay? And I watched that and mention
that specifically, because obviously you're currently, He
going strong with podcast ocad flap 0, which is a podcast,
which is dedicated to the the underappreciated filthy rich.
In catflap television series, are that was superbly well
phrased. Yeah, yeah.
Now it is, it is underappreciated because it was
sort of Sandwich to there, wasn't it in between the young
ones and bottom and there's huge fan bases for both and people
that really love those shows and quite rightly and poor old cat
flap is in the middle and people sort of say, well, It's the
transition from one to the other and sort of, you know, I'd argue
against that for all sorts of reasons, but I won't get started
on that. But yeah, it's, um, I love cat
flaps so much and it is my favorite Rick and Aid show.
And it's my favorite, you know, sitcoms so to speak, or just
comedy of all time and trying to get any information on it is,
it's impossible, that might be a bit of an exaggeration, but
compared to, because I'd come from the goodies and then we had
like, beautiful works by Robert Roth.
Particularly Ooh, Pixley who I consider the god of goodies
research. Every scrap of goodies
information, I could ever want, was that my fingertips?
And I guess in a way, if you're a goons fan and you come in
fresh now, having never had it before.
You'd have a lot of information at your fingertips, but the
beauty of cat flap is it? Because no one's done any
research and I'm so hungry for information.
Every little scrap that I learned from people is like this
amazing breakthrough and I'll constantly having my mind blown
by things and It's like, you know, being the first man on the
moon in a way in that, I don't think anyone else had bothered
to ask the BBC for the scripts, for example.
And so when I get a script of cat flap and I can see how my
God in episode 2 that you were just mentioning this, so many
bits cut out, and I look at the script and it blows my mind and
I go, that is so exciting to know that they would have
recorded this and cut it out where they've changed this line
and that line and yeah. So it's a joy to have something
that's not been Searched in a way, even though it is a bit
harder which makes life difficult but it's fun, you
know, the guys that did the recent bottom podcast, I'm in
the process or they may have even completed it.
Now we're in the process of writing a book about bottom and
I think there's also what I know there's another book about
bottom that's come out recently. I do forgive me.
I forget who you very much. Simon Dunne.
Yeah. And it's like older property
apology a body. An examination.
That's right. I haven't picked that up.
That. But I don't know whether that or
the other bottom book that's coming out whether they have a
sort of chapter dedicated to cat flap.
Yes, certainly in proctology. There's a bunch of pages on cat
flap, which is cool. And I had the pleasure of
talking with Simon a little bit, you know, just typing away on
messenger. But yeah, the talking bottom
podcast. That's I'd recommend people
check that out and that was a massive influence and because
I'd listen to it and I'd love it.
And then I just thought I have to do this.
Us with cat flap. So, they were a big influence on
me and I are back to the book and so, yeah, they just did
their crowdfunding for it and now we're waiting and they
released an update recently. So, you know, say we are working
on this and we are getting it done, but Jesus is going to be
good when it comes out. Mmm, I like the young ones, of
course I do. But I would say that, you know,
when it comes to Order of preference when it comes to Rick
and Aid Vehicles. If you like bottom is, number
one Cat flap is number two, okay?
And I'm not going to say the young ones is.
Number three. I'm going to say mr.
Jolly lives. Next door is number three.
Aha. Yeah, wow.
And you wouldn't be alone in that.
There's a lot of love out there for mr.
Jolly lives next door. If people listening aren't aware
mr. Mr. Jolly lives.
Next door was one of the was part of the comic strip strand.
You know. Well I'll give you the chance to
do a proper. Plug for podcaster cat.
Flap out. The end Jeffers.
Her mother, who worries. Yeah.
So, first of all, can I ask you? Can you give me a rough
indication of your age? When were you born?
Yeah, I'm very close to you. I think Tyler.
So I'm a 73. I was going to say kid, but far
from it. Geez.
So I'm actually going to be 50 this year, right?
Okay. So your year older than me.
Cool. Okay.
And obvious question, how did you, how did you get in?
The goons, how did you discover the goons or it was late in
life? Because I mean the the brilliant
thing about hearing your guest is quite often, they've had
someone who exposed them to the goons by playing the records at
home, you know. Maybe it was your mum or dad or
whatever but that wasn't the case for me.
And it was the mid-2000s. I'd going through this stage
where I had ABC Radio National playing.
While I was sleeping, you know, just for background noise.
And it was Radio National because of course, they play a
lot of comedies and it's just people speaking in a very
soothing way and that sort of stuff and me and Jane have stuff
running in the background at night softly in the background
there. And anyway at that stage we were
getting through like tons of Dad's Army Radio versions which
I got and they had Larry Martin as private Walker and you had
John snag during the wartime announcements and this sort of
stuff. And we listen to heaps of men
from the ministry, choosing episodes of that was a bit of
Agreement with Jamie because she likes.
Wilfred hide why as number one and I like, Derek Kyla, but
anyway, I bought these this to me baby.
Wow. So that that's that's cause
domestic disturbances in your manager.
Well, yeah, I wouldn't go that far, but, you know, probably
close. Yeah.
So I'd get these discs on eBay. Like, with all of men from the
ministry on them and are then I'd get back on there and by
signed photos of Richard Murdoch and stuff.
But anyway, this this one, I woke up and I had heard this
Goons Episode. And I didn't know what it was
because I knew the goons existed.
And I knew that Peter Sellers and Spike Milligan were in.
I've never actually heard one anyway.
So foiled by President, Fred was on.
I didn't know what it was at the time, but it was about the point
where Nettie's being unwrapped from his mysterious parcel post
by Moriarty and grit pipe. And I was so intrigued by what
the hell is going on, you know, because this episode, as we'll
find out is pretty It's difficult to work out and I got
up and I started finding a tape to record on while Ellington was
on and my recording. It began with greenslade.
Yeah, for idiots is a resume the revolution so far.
Thank you. And it was so packed with great
gags and it was all this fast-paced action and double
crosses and plays on Words. Anyway.
And then I heard Echols refer to Blue Bottle in a famous bit.
We'll get Later on and I'll fly bluebottle.
This must be the goons that I've been hearing about.
Oh, so you didn't realize it was the goons when you first.
No. No maintain.
Oh yeah. I'll still a bit groggy, you
know. It was middle of the night sort
of deal. Yeah.
So then I just keep listening back to this half an episode of
the goons and then I try to record some next week or
whatever. I'll still working on tapes,
even though it was the mid-2000s anyway.
So I had to get the whole episode.
So, later on might have even been a A year or two later, I
found a disk on eBay with all the goons episodes as they were
at the time on there and that's eventually I heard the first
half of foiled by President Fred.
Okay. Okay.
So have you now listen to a lot of others?
Yes. Yes I have.
Yeah, so when I got this disk and I made this is before, I
don't know where they got these episodes from but the quality a
lot of them was absolutely terrible.
So yeah. Oh, I pretty much chose the ones
I listened to based on which ones will listenable in terms of
quality and stuff. So I'd have this handful of
goons episodes, probably about 30 of them that I would just
listen to and the others got left behind.
Then I'd edit them all and stuff like this, and I know now
there's way better versions that have since been played because
you've got hit, oh God, I thought Keith Wickham and Ted
candle and stuff. And they've done this amazing
word. Mmm.
The versions are so much better now.
But I missed out on the whole, you know, if you come to it
earlier in life, you have the pleasure or curse depending on
how you see it of you go and get the tapes.
And then you listen to that tape, and wait for the next
release patiently, and then you trade with people.
And I loved the seeing those cassette covers that you posted
up on Twitter recently, that was just brilliant.
Yeah. And it's sort of the same way.
I would trade videos of the goodies with people as well just
you've got this, I've got this. And then, you know, let's share
these and dadadada da. Yeah, it is a little bit sad.
I suppose you do miss that back in the day when there wasn't
stuff everywhere. When, you know, you can get
anything you want these days, pretty much, if it is, if it
exists somewhere, you can get it, you know?
And yeah, I do miss those days. When those days of linear
television, even you know what? I used to tape a weekly,
whatever sitcom it might be Blackadder Goes Forth.
For example, I was always counting down the days.
Days between each episode, you know, waiting for the next
episode and then you tape it and then watch it over and over that
week and then you've watched it 15 times before they step aside
rolls around. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Absolutely. And I'd, you know, and yeah,
we're not because I discovered the goons, when I was much, you
know, I was 13, 14 and and at first, I had to wait for the
because it was the end National Radio, New Zealand had to wait
for the weekly. Each episode had to wait another
week for And then gradually, you know, it start getting the
commercial release of the tapes and whatnot that the BBC put out
and then I joined the dsps and was able to access their Archive
of shows. So gradually, I am asked all the
shows, but, yeah, for you, you could just pretty much like to
say, excess, everything in one go.
Although, yeah, pretty ropey copies, I guess, but at least,
you know, you've heard a good couple of dozen episodes and I
mean, The show? Absolutely.
No, I've heard them all. And then so what I would do is I
mean president Fred's an example.
So I would do in 2015, I went through because as I'd been
doing the goodies podcast I learned more about audio
editing. So then in 2015, I went through
all the original episodes that I had on this disc, which is many,
many, many dozens and I'd edit them and run, noise reduction,
and all that. And some of them were still so
bad that I couldn't listen to them.
But others that opened up a whole new bunch of episodes for
me too. Into and then I did another
re-edit in 2020 after learning another five years worth of
things. And then the software would get
better and then, you know, you could fiddle with it a little
bit more. Yeah.
But I do have my play list of about 30 episodes that, you
know, they're in the high rotation and there would be
there would be some episodes that I'd probably heard ten
minutes of, you know, 15 years ago and haven't Revisited since
I suppose. In a way, I've got the joy ahead
of me of. If I gone to the effort of
saying, what's the latest most brilliantly restored version,
there's probably so much more goons joy out there for me that
I could, you know, latch onto Tonight, at midnight, I waited
in a specially dark and go away for the coming of the stranger.
Who was to guide me on my perilous Mission.
I was so heavily disguised but not even my own mother would
have recognized me. Let we Scott with an electric
guitar plugged into the train line.
Nobodyís Regal. I am cool.
Good. You been waiting long?
Yes. Who for you?
You idiot. Boo now, hold on, how do I get
to the firing line to president threads headquarters?
How do you get? There you go.
Straight up that road birth. But the shooting down here,
don't go that way. You take this road here, they're
not shooting up that one that road doesn't lead to war.
Don't take that one. Went on to BBC sounds as it
wasn't when I went on there and I'll got president Fred, you
know, the latest version and was so much clearer and so much
nicer. And the B had been edited back
in which I think I've heard you on the podcast speak previously
about you know, when they take it from the various sources and
then put certain bits back in that have been cut out of some
versions. Yeah, that's right.
That's right because we're the thing about well let's get into
it mean filed by President Fred. Is what we are focusing on today
but it was released, it was like before the BBC started putting
our LPS in sort of the early 70s.
There was a handful of LPS issued by Emi with all the music
material editor, doubt, so geldray and Allington edited out
and Followed by President Fred was issued on an LP in October
1971 and the lp was called first men on the Goon and it's got an
awful cover really bad go. Oh, and it was on the other
side, it was the episode Robin Hood.
But yeah the the episode that I've listened to now for the
purposes of research for this is the fullest episode possible,
you know fully restored by by Ted candle and it's a great
show. I mean, it's probably as we kind
of move talking before we started recording.
It's probably one of the most when it Tim in terms of plot is
one of the most complex copper plots for a goon show.
I would say I mean, I could, you know, admit to still not knowing
100% what on Earth was going on with the final few minutes
because there's so many double-cross.
I mean, we'll get to that obviously, but yeah, yes, it's a
good one for that reason, it is and it's all before we get to
let me, let me just go like to give a little bit of context in
terms of the time that these shows go out.
So this this is foiled by President.
Fred is Series 6 episode 7. And it was broadcast.
First of November 1955, Now, I always like to look at what's
going on in the world in the news.
You know, the day that these shows go out, just just, it
feels feels a bad time Jeffers, to be honest here.
All right, now I'm looking forward to this.
Well, okay, so there was a lot of boring stuff going on 1st
November 1955, but this story, this new story did intrigue me.
Okay, so on that day, John Gilbert Graham.
Mm killed 44 people. Now so, yeah, I mean, that's
anything. Well, how can that be?
We did he go on a killing spree or something?
Know what he did? He planted a dynamite time?
Bomb. On an aircraft.
He planted it in his mother's suitcase because his mother was
going was flying on a, on a flight.
He wanted to murder her and claimed her life insurance
money, okay? So he put this bomb.
I don't know how he thought he would get away with it.
Okay, he put this dynamite time bomb in his mother's luggage.
She gets on this United. Airlines flight in Colorado
bomb, goes off all these people died, the police do their job,
he gets arrested charged convicted and sentenced to
death, and he's executed in early 1957.
He purchased the life-insurance policy for his mother, in the
actual Airport, terminal, just before she departed on playing.
Well, you crazy, isn't it? It is.
I mean, that's not a very bright move.
Nah. Oh my goodness.
But yeah, I mean, that was, that was the only sort of event of
significance that I could find for the first of November. 55 so
Spike wrote the script on his own.
It was also as well as being issued on an LP.
As I say it was also published in the Goon show scripts book
the first book of scripts and the script the actual original
script. There are some additions or that
the certainly some bits in the script that were not either
performed and not included in the final edit or they just
weren't recorded at all. And now welcome to those But I
always like to read the radio times synopsis when there is one
regular listeners will know that shows from Series 5 into Series
6. Almost always had a radio time
synopsis sometimes quite a lengthy one, as in this case and
I've often sort of reflected or mused as to why the radio times
abandoned these synopses. And I do have the answer now as
a result of this show, okay. So here's the Synopsis to
poverty-stricken foreign Devils Senor grip, pipe thin and count
Moriarty skinned to the wide. A one day watching TV and their
chicken run in a king's cross back alley.
When Nettie Siegen arrives to empty, the gas meter, staggering
under the weight of a sack bursting with coppers, he
foolishly accepts an offer to join them.
In a quarter bottle of Maurice Punk's doped Applejack while
still reeling from the effects of this vicious Carousel.
He's introduced to Gladys knees. Diaphanous spy and part-time
Dust Woman Who induces him to sink further into the abyss
advice by partaking of a portion of heavily loaded smoked.
Haddock before he lapses into unconsciousness, he overhears
the mysterious count. Jim booking reservations for
South America and he realizes that.
Once again, he's become enmeshed in the plot to kidnap president
Fred and relieve him of his historic portion of the
international Christmas pudding. Ha ha.
So so terribly. Well a lot of them don't and I
think I would say most of them don't and it's like that.
There's this elements, it's barely on nodding acquaintance
with the actual show. Interesting at the dimension of
the international Christmas pudding which was a show which
turns up couple of shows after this and also more.
Cruiser, this is a regular name. Marie's pump turns up as a
character always referred to in Napoleon's piano and also a
think the episode, the secret escritoire from earlier, on in
the series and also Morris Park or Maurice.
Punk is features in the case of the mekinese battle on laid by I
think dick Emery By the way, just on that.
When this episode is recorded Peter and spite, we're actually
filming the case of the market is battle horn, drill, really
read. Yeah.
So obviously, you know, Spike has got the name, Maurice Punk,
very much in mind. Rain was time.
The reason, you know, this was the last ever radio Times shows
synopsis. They dropped it after this
episode and the Appeared to be that was earlier on in the
series they had printed a synopsis for.
I think the fourth episode of Series 6, which was to be the
sale of Manhattan episode. Ah, but Spike actually dropped
cellular Manhattan script in favor of Napoleon's piano.
So the classic, the synopsis didn't match up with the actual
show that went out that week and a couple of shows.
Is later the radio times did a synopsis for what was to be the
terrible revenge of Fred Foo Manchu, and it was dropped in
favor of Rommels. Treasure that way, okay?
Okay. Both the seller.
Manhattan and Fred free Manchu. No did go out as proper shows,
subsequently, but basically the radio times, were being
wrong-footed by Spike terms of what shows were printed and what
shows actually went out. So they decided look, it's Just
just to abandon it, I'd say so. And then, even if that hadn't
happened, I think, you know, if they were getting fed accurate
synopses of these things that this episode might have broken
them anyway. But yeah.
Well yeah that's the thing, the schnapps.
He's just don't just don't match up.
Do they Spike having a little bit of devilment I suppose?
So the show itself now. It's a very good show.
It's not it's not one that I it's not to me, it's not gay.
Big heavy. Particularly, I don't know if
you agree, there's not a lot, I don't feel.
There's not a huge amount for Harry seeking to do.
There's no there's no big sort of barnstorming scenes for see
goon. No, no, by the way, is
introduced throughout as Nettie Siegen, but at one point
introduces himself as Harry. Siegen that if you picked up on
that, I did not pick up on that know.
And he does have a seeking, does have a role sort of at the
beginning. At the meeting of the southbound
gas board, he, he plays a character who I believe is more
or less his his old Uncle Oscar character that he would
occasionally play in a way. I was sort of so distracted by
all the other, you know, great, B with all the other characters
that it didn't occur to me, that Natalie was sort of being
shortchanged in that way. I mean, you're quite right
because people spend 90% of the episode trying to get rid of
him. They just want to get him out of
the room as quickly as possible. Possible or send him somewhere
else on a wild goose chase. Yeah.
So yeah. No, you're right.
But yeah, I would argue it's not poorer for it but you know it's
typical of what I'd say. It's you need Nettie.
So you go in and you need Harry cecum.
Being that character. Maybe not all the time.
Yeah, I'm not saying he's this up standing here who morally
upright, sort of chappie because he'll do his cowardice and he'll
do the odd bit of manipulation and serving himself.
And stuff like that. But I mean, compared to the
other characters, he is by comparison, a paragon of virtue
especially in this one, because he's just, you know, trying to
do his job in a very straightforward and honest
Manner, and he doesn't give up his work.
Ethic is awesome. But no, I mean, is it wrong to
say that in spawn? Of course, you know, you had
dick Amory and I love spawn. I mean, is that unusual in goons
fandom? No, I mean that generally Earth
field. Is, I don't think anyone.
I think the general consensus is that any of the shows that
didn't feature one or, well, one of the goons, the actual goons,
you know, a poorer for it, you're like, oh well, that's
true. Yeah, I enjoyed all the same
though, from morning classes, one evening in her park and I
was brushing the grass of my knees when suddenly.
Yes yes yes. Yes.
Yeah, there's some smashing nurses are what?
What? What?
What happened? It removes, those evil, thoughts
from your mind to mine. Never, I can't get him free
under National hair and I must vote Labour.
Next time there are red hot labor Forward.
So this is the label was he actually paid and quite a number
of Series 3 shows when Spike was off ill which they don't exist
anymore. Yeah.
I mean, the episode isn't is not announced as it's a great title
for start foiled by President Fred.
What a great title. Yeah yet it is it is announced
as the title is officially. Just as in HonorBound, did you
look into this at all? Now, I didn't did you.
Yeah, I did. And, you know, there was no book
called in on about, I mean, there was one in the 1990s.
Yes. Oh no, no famous films or books,
or even songs or anything like that.
I called in honor bound. So yeah, no no easy research
references? No, I was too lazy to attempt my
own research. But yes, I'm just wondering
whether it was a A phrase in common usage at the time to do
with diplomats or something. Not I'm not I'm not sure, but it
obviously the, the premise was inspired by the queue that ended
the second presidential term of president, param in Argentina.
Yeah. Which which happened in
September 55. I don't know.
I mean, it's like everybody, I suppose the only thing, I really
know about you have not done my research again but anything most
people know about President parent is his wife.
Yeah, Eva Eva Peron or Evita who died three years earlier, some
reason. For some reason, I thought she
was, you know, she'd sort of lived on into old age but no,
she died quite young, I've never seen a Vita.
I know, I know the song or songs a few of them but that's about
the extent of it. I've never seen it either, but
of course, their goodies fans. I'll State the obvious for them,
is that, of course, there's the famous Tim brooke-taylor
dressing up as a Vita and he sang.
Don't Cry For Me Marge and Tina. That's right.
Which people love. They love it.
It's so funny. I remembered it must in.
It's probably it was probably off the back of that goodies
episode. What year would that have been
78? 79, I wish I knew but yes, I'm
going to say. Say you're probably bang on
because that was in the episode politics which might have been a
series 7 or series 8 episode so it's late goodies.
Yes certainly I definitely remember be around the age of
five or six so around that period.
Aha. There was a, you know, we myself
and friends. There was there was kind of we
would we would sing or we would say Don't Cry For Me Argentina.
Yeah. And it was probably off the back
of the goodies. I reckon.
There you go. So in the script, so followed by
President Fred in the script, he's sometimes in the script.
He's referred to sometimes as president Fred prayer on.
So, at the script does actually make it quite explicit who is
based on. But in the actual show is
recorded the name pair on does not occur.
Oh, at least I believe know. So the the show begins with the
annual meeting of the South Balam gas board.
Gentlemen Financial. Yeah.
By the look of them gas is here to stay.
I am glad. They say that the shop-bell mmm,
gasps Colossus. Has made a gross profit of no
less than three pounds. Twelve Shillings and ninepence.
Grooves. Now then you left them on your
saxophone and then they discover that there's an outstanding debt
of four pounds, nine Shillings and Sixpence and it's owed by
President Fred of Argentina. And and the reason that the
South balam gas board supplies gas to Argentina, is because in
1939, blood not ship two cylinder of gas there.
Yeah. But sure, which is kindly
explained to us by greenslade. So already, he's having to
explain things to people bit of exposition but I'm yeah, yeah
it's so Siegen visits the major blood knot and blood marker
agrees to guide him to president Fred's headquarters which is
under siege and I wanted to mention So when see good mates,
blood milk in the script or in the show, I should say, has
recorded blood, not keeps sort of pushing him out of the room
and then at one point, seeking knocks on the door persistently
and blood doc says, you can't come in.
I'm in the bath when seeking and seeking says, what are you doing
in the bath and blood? Not says, I'm I'm watching
television now in the script. Segan says.
What's showing? And blood, knock says, my dear
fellow. Nothing.
I've got a towel around me, but yeah, which is a very nice
little gag. Now, that wasn't in the actual
show. Was it that bit?
No, no. I in researching for this, I
came across a version of the script that in light gray has
all the stuff that I've never heard and there's a few of these
scenes so I'm looking forward to going through them.
Yeah now did I'm guessing, I mean Spike wrote that in the
script it is It was recorded and then cut out which possibly was
the case. Did they feel that it was a
little bit too near the knuckle? Yeah.
It paints a picture really does? I mean there's no other there's
no no other conclusion. You're going to come to know.
So yeah. So so blood look arranges for
Echols to be sequence guide to president Fred's headquarters.
I think think that's the case. Case does it.
There's a gag that is very well known that gets another airing
in this show. We're seeking says that.
He's he says that night at midnight.
I waited her in a specially darkened.
Doorway for the coming of the stranger.
Who was to guide me on my perilous Mission.
I was so heavily disguised that not even.
My own mother would have recognized me and then you have
spiked as throat saying evening Nettie.
Good evening mother. Yeah, yeah.
Now that gag is Very well known because it was version of that
was in the series 5 show Dishonored, okay?
Which in itself was remade for series nines Dishonored again.
And Dishonored again, was on the first-ever lp issued of our gun
shows, okay? With Tales of old Dartmoor, on
the other side and that was issued in 1959 and it's Just
it's one of those shows dishonest again, is just as with
Tales of old arm or two of the best known gun shows ever just
because so many people bought that LP.
So many my dad used to quote lines, my late dad used to quote
lines from Tales of old Dartmoor all the time because he'd, you
know, he either used to own the lp or, and listen to the LP on a
regular basis. So yeah, so that, that's a gag
that Spike had filched from Dishonored.
I'm sure he probably turns up another gun shows as well that,
you know, I can't bring to mind at the moment, but in this
episode, it doesn't become immediately parent.
But Echols is quite what's the word Wiley, you know.
Yeah. I mean he's quite he's which is
it's a typical he. Yeah I mean we're going to find
out that he does better a few of the people's schemes in a very
unusual. You'll way so it's what I mean
unusual in that it's equals doing it.
So yeah. He does get the best of people.
It's quite amazing and that's one of the reasons why it's sort
of stands out for me. Anyway.
So we should go back and explain that this is in the sewer.
So and it is hilarious because, of course, some blood knockers
sort of gotten rid of Nettie, by saying, look, you need to go and
see President Fred. You can't get to his room
because it's up there in the square and you'll get killed in
a hail of gunfire. You know, from the various
factions all shooting at each other.
So I'll send someone to guide you.
And unfortunately for Nettie it's Echols and Echols just says
you know go straight up there, you know, which is root one.
It straight up the worst Street, you can go up and now you have
to say Well they're shooting up. There he goes all don't go up
there then and ankles. It is zero, help at all.
And Echols goes will go down this road and Nettie says, but
that's in the opposite direction and so you can see where this is
going and Equals just says. All right well I'll catch you
later and Nettie has to say no, no, I've got an idea, it's the
sewers. Let's jump down into the sewers
and even though Echols is done his terrible job, he he jumps
down there with Nettie anyway and that's yeah, that's where
they run into blue bottle and and blue bottle starts.
Well, singing the Harry lime theme and the third, man.
Oh my goodness. Yeah.
In fact, it was in one of the green pods recently that that
came up because I'd always wondered who Harry lime was, but
obviously, didn't look it up on Google or anything.
Yeah, there's a great bit with blue bottle here with where
sellers clearly fluffs. Hey, wait a minute.
That said that, right? That's it.
It's spelled out. There is one of the old-time
classic we're in my view. It's one of the all-time
classics. It's just so good and you get to
massive laugh out of it. Brilliant, one of the bits I
like is, you know, he has to bribe Blue Bottle into coming
along near he does. And he offers him.
These Licorice allsorts and Believe I'm Gonna lick her.
Has. She got to be careful.
How many of those I eat? Now I've never been judged on
licorice allsorts but it should I assume that this is what's a
Rik Mayall would call. And you know, you'd end up with
a runny bottom. Oh yes sir, right?
Okay, thank you clarifying. They have laxative properties.
Ha ha as yes. Yes.
But have you ever experienced that firsthand Tyler?
Can I ask? I've never been a huge fan of
licorice, I like liquorice. But I tend to tend to eat the
bits around the licorice. If you don't have anything yet
the, the pink bits and the yellow beets.
Yeah, yes. Yeah.
Oh my goodness, anyway. Yeah.
Sorry what. So what happens here is the they
still are struggling to try and get Neddy into this building,
which is under heavy fire to, to reach president Fred.
And say, listen here, pal, you owe me for four pounds for this
gas bill. So, blue bottle comes up with a
genius idea of putting him in a parcel and there's Other cut bit
of script here when and sorry, the parcel goes off to Moriarty
and it goes to group pipe because it's in the what they
call the mysterious Parcels investigation chamber or
something like that. Because obviously all the mail
coming into the building could have bombs in it.
So they've got they've got to investigate every parcel.
And what I love is that Moriarty goes off.
I don't like the expression on this Parcels label, which is a
brilliant line. It's a great And then straight
away without even a pause grip. Pipe just says, alright,
Moriarty steam the stamp off this parcel and cash it.
And he's pinching every penny and that it comes back because
seven episodes after this was greenslade story.
And, of course, you know, they out pay the BBC by saying our
we're going to give greenslade five pounds a week, and John
snags is there isn't that much money and group pipe says, yes
it is. I've got five pounds here and
used stamps so I like to To think he was using the, the
South American stamp absolutely and isn't that there will be
another reference to the green Side, Story nature on look
forward to that listeners. But yeah, you're right.
And in the original original script, there was a section that
either was was recorded and never never included or they
didn't bother recording it involving a 40-ton steam hammer
and, and a hose and running water and all sorts of stuff.
Yeah, I mean, it's not any worse off for having cut that stuff
out. I don't think you know, it's,
there's no gold in there. That should have been Ken.
I don't think. But can I just ask you while
we're on grip pipe in Moriarty? What do you, how do you feel
about those characters? Do you like because you'll have
heard? I guess you've heard sort of
this period grip by the Moriarty in plentiful doses.
Yeah, as the series progresses towards the end, they've become
despicable retches both of them. Do you prefer early or late
period? Get pipe and Moriarty?
Yeah, well I'm more familiar with early and I do love them in
that. It's perhaps, you can help me
here. Tyler, because in my notes, I do
have a heading that says, I'm questions for Tyler.
Okay. I'm assuming that you'll know
them all. So, there's one that I've never
been able to find that I did here, as I was going through
many, many years ago. And it was, they were both.
We're coming back to the Sewer. They're both in the sewer and
they're wearing suits made out of newspapers.
And The think group pipe says, to Moriarty stand still.
I'm trying to read this article, but do you recall which which
episode that might be? What?
It's a good buy it from our landlord.
Yes. As into complaints from the
tenants of the other sources about you are singing and our
going. After 11:00, I do hereby give
you want to just quit or if you like, we've been given the
registered vote kicked out sulis without a street of what I had
nothing, but the water we stand up in great part, right?
Yeah. And not listening.
Not less, take the pirate. I just feel that I'm sorry as I
was just reading this advertisement on the back page
of my suit. Listen here, you know, when
you're living in the sewers wearing newspaper, you're on,
you're on in hard times that were occasions when they were
sharing a suit. That is here.
That is so on their up, as, you know, it's classic.
But I'm no, no. I like those.
I mean, normally, we can sort of flip that question.
Gin on its head and you might ask someone, hey, who's your
favorite character? And then you can sort of go from
there and, and in past episodes, I know, you know, people have
professed their even though he's an absolute slimeball, their
love for blood knock and I'm definitely in that camp.
I just cannot get enough blood knock.
In fact, that's one of the strengths of this episode is
that blood knocks in and out all the time that disrupted.
This is so many disreputable characters in The Goon show.
Isn't that and easily King? Then they more fun.
Okay. So anyway, Nettie sort of
there's the parcel in the puzzle testing off as needy, has burst
out of it and caught them by surprise and he just you know,
says to group Piper Moriarty. Okay.
You owe me four pounds and they say well you know.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's make sure of this steady
on our, what? On the mm, perhaps you should go
and read the meter. So they actually convince Nettie
to go down into the basement and read the meter.
And as soon as he leaves, Grit pipe.
Sort of just goes my say how empty the room is without him
which as far as fat jokes go. It's so charmingly worded.
It does sound almost like a compliment.
But again you know it paints a picture.
I think that's some brilliant work but also nonetheless.
What's that line? By because Barry Cryer the late
great Barry Cryer used to. There's a line used to use about
The MP, Nicholas soames grandson of Winston, Churchill.
All you have me at a disadvantage here, who's on,
who's on the large size where he was?
I think he's lost a bit of Timber recent years, but okay.
I think it could be wrong but I think it was Barry cry used to
say about Nicholas soames. He lit up a room every time he
left. Yeah, you know.
So now, so now there is no other way you can take that as an
insult, I think. But but this one, in fact, if
you were to try You don't even need to twist it that much, but
by saying someone, you know how empty the room is without him,
could be referring to. If you're talking about Harry
cecum, his presence in a room, would light up the room and when
he leaves the room would seem empty without him.
I think yes, if I was this hang out with Harry's actually so you
could grasp at straws and say it is a compliment you know, you
can be taken both ways, you know, it's one of those things
and that would be one of the first ever goon gags.
You'd heard because you woke up around this time, didn't you?
Lutely, yeah. When well, yeah, it is the
parcel. Absolutely.
I mean, I would have been a bit groggy, but yes, definitely.
But do you want me to continue? Tyler yesterday's, but as it
stands. So, the other faction attacks at
this stage because Nettie has just gone down to read the
meter. And this is where we meet a
general or handle Aston Villa. Yes, not little plan with the
are these. Do you follow anyone in?
In the British football. No, I don't know, I don't know.
Not neither do I. So my son is huge, man.
United fan, we live in the Northwest that mind you, that's
no indication of someone being a man united event, living living
locally. But General, General Aston Villa
zigzag rate, minor character, one-off character.
And when I had Keith Wiccan on the show, yes, he pointed out
that the The voice that sellers users for General, Aston Villa
is more or less. The same voice that he used that
cell has used many dubbed, a character in the 1950 film, The
Black Rose, And and if you listen and I did actually in the
key quick and episode, I did include a clip of both as a
comparison. I'm not going to do that again.
So if anyone wants to check that out, go and seek out the the
episode with Keith Wickham from I think, October last year but
it's a wonderful voice. It's a wonderful vocal
performance, isn't it? They really is its, I can't get
enough of it and, you know, again, it's like I could listen
to grip pipe all day, but yeah. Sure.
Aston Villa I could listen to him all day as well and as a
character as well even aside from The Voice.
He's so smooth because you know he's in the middle of this
bloody Revolution and there he is just very calmly.
Going through this smooth negotiation with Nettie about
the gas bill and it all ends up in the brilliant line of when he
gets back, pay the bill and then kill him which is beautiful
nonsense. Its you pay the bill Bill and
then kill him. Yeah, so their bills, not going
to be paid then, is it? It's going to be a net, he's
pocket, but it to State the obvious.
But that line is so good. There is, I think some mistakes
on your we have just taken possession here.
This very minute, we only just lead the gods.
Good Heavens dreadfully. Sorry, in that case, you
couldn't have used more than the thermal to could you ha ha.
Ha. Excuse me, when he comes up, pay
the bill and then kill him. Is that the last time we see
General Aston Villa again, quite possibly again, is probably fans
out there. Goon show fans, who were
screaming at the at the It was bound to happen bound to happen.
Yeah. So then and at this only lasts
what maybe a minute and we get this new character and then the
proof Red Faction counter-attack that frightens off the general
and you get this, you know, and Moriarty and group pipe burst
back into the room and all the the coup military people of the
general. Have fled.
And that's when Nettie foolishly decides to come back into the
room, he doesn't know any of this is our what I mean.
He's oh God actually. Sorry.
Tyler, I'm lost here. It's easy to do with this
particular episode getting his because Nettie has to leave
again for some reason So, hang on, just to get this straight in
my own mind, Moriarty, and grip. Pipe.
Tell Nettie, go down and read the meter.
He comes back. General Aston Villa has taken
over and generalized analysis. Hey, bro, I'm not paying your
four pounds because I've only just taken over here 30 seconds
ago. And we've only just lit the gas
and that's hilarious in itself. Like you just taken over this
this sort of the president's Villa and you go, oh, what's one
of the first things we'll do in the first 30 seconds?
Let's light the gas because they probably want to.
The kettle on and then they say yes.
Well do you want to check and edit?
Navy says yes. In that case, if you've only
been here for a split second you can only are used a therm or
two. So I'll pop back down and I'll
read the meter which Nettie does.
And then in the meantime, the counter attack happens, nidhi
comes back in. It's Moriarty and grip pipe.
This must be thrilling for the poor listener to.
I'm and this is just the beginning, it gets way more
complicated from here. Well, there's there's lots of
Nettie entering and exiting rooms shall we say?
Oh there's a lot of that. But, you know, we get, we get to
Center ourselves in the goons Universe because there's one of
The Good Old Reliable gags of. Here's a photograph of two
Shillings type stuff. Yes.
Yeah, there's also, by the way, running leitmotif.
I think that's the word or the phrase saxophone saxophones get
regularly reference throughout the episode.
Some reason we hadn't brought that up.
No, yeah, mmm. There's a lot.
Have you? Down?
How many times or anything? I haven't gone there.
No, it's got to be half a dozen. Was it the chairman of the
southbound gasps? Boards wife has been receiving
saxophone lessons as far as well as God knows yet this is a
significant portion of their profits.
So they're he's reading out the balance books at the very
beginning cron and they're they've made a sterling profit
for the year of three pounds, twelve, Shillings and ninepence.
And one of their, you know, Expenses they had was the
saxophone lessons of three pounds, eight, Shillings and
ninepence. So if they just hadn't given the
Chairman's wife, saxophone lessons, they could have doubled
their profits for the entire year, but as crumbs says, you
never know when it's going to come in handy.
No, cool. Quite right.
Shall we get to the kind of the
meat of the episode, which is the, the whole sort of sacks of
money. Yes, it where You have to kind
of take notes or write stuff down to try and follow all this
I think. But for some reason Spike
decided on a bit of a handbrake turn and decided to bring up
colored sacks of money red and blue sacks.
Hmm. Do you want to kind of navigate
through this? I've been here now I can and as
it does make of believe it or not, it does make logical sense
because there's there. Trying to pull a con of course
and you know, some Moriarty in Grid pipe want because the
president Fred wants to be smuggled out of the country so
he doesn't get shot. So his fortune is 50 million.
I don't know 50 million, what 50 million dollars, fifty million
pounds, who knows, but answers. Yeah, yeah.
So yes, Moriarty and grit pipe have arranged to smuggle
president Fred out of the country in exchange for his
fortune and Meanwhile they've also sorted out 50 million in
forged money because of course, what's going to happen is blood.
Knock for his part is going to want to share of this 50 million
which Moriarty and group pipe do not want to.
In fact, they don't even share it with each other.
So they have a red sack full of the forged banknotes and they
have a blue sack full of the real stuff.
Hmm. And and this is introduced.
So there's an as you rightly point out.
Tyler that there's a lot of comings and goings with door
handles being turned and people coming in and out of the room
and getting shot and things. So Moriarty basically says all
right blood knock. I've got the 50 million here in
this red sack and blood knock promptly shoots poor old
Moriarty and takes off well with the sack full of money.
And it was very funny because you did said good Lord that that
pistol was loaded, poor, Moriarty the tax You played the
saxophone. Yeah, that's exactly right.
And it's at this point that the listener, if you're hearing this
episode, for the first time, that's when you figure out
what's going on because group pipe walks in and Moriarty says,
yes, yes, I gave him the pistol with the blanks in it and the
red sack of forged notes. And that's when we find out for
the first time, there were forged notes in its Intrigue of
the highest order and grit pipe tells Moriarty.
Oh, that's good. I've got the real money here in
the blue sack. So off you pop A out here.
You know, you go to the airport and bias, two plane tickets out
of the country. And so, this is where we get
introduced to the concept of the two sacks and what's real, and
what's not 50 million are Christmas in Gabrielle, millions
of Mulan. So what I've got Tyler at this
point grid pipe, when he's alone in the room, he says 50 million
a and he sings at Christmas in. Bree millions of Moolah?
Yes. Now, I did a lot of Christmas in
Capri research. I'm not sure if this or make the
final edit or not. But yes, I did a lot of
Christmas in Capri research. I don't know if you're
interested in this or know anything about it.
Go on. Okay?
So first off, I'd always thought he was singing Christmas in
Cadbury, you know, as if it was a place named after the Cadbury
chocolates. So I was dead wrong on that.
Good Lord. So you've got grip pipes,
Singing it, this happens a lot in this episode, just like the
saxophone rapist references. So later on, you've got Echols
and blue bottles singing Christmas in Capri, in tandem,
you know, plenty of Mahler and finally blood knock sings as
well and always when they get a sack full of money.
And I love this because I think that's one of the things that
pulled me in because, you know, I don't know about you, but I
sort of go around the house singing little lines from songs
and then changing the lyrics to reflect what's going on with.
I'm doing that day or whatever is on our mind or something like
that and if there are these characters they're beautifully
human even though they're ridiculous.
Yeah and I thought Christmas in Cadbury might be a real song so
I better Google this. Nobody did a song with this
title until the 2000s. My thought has always been
because there's a song that goes April in rural areas.
Yeah. And I just thought it was just
like your take on that. I reckon you're absolutely right
because Capri He was seen as at that time.
Capri was seen as like being the, the place to be.
If you were like, Princess Margaret Orr that set if you
know what I mean. Hehe what know that sounds
about, right? I mean, a problem.
So there's a whole April in Paris, chestnuts in Blossom.
So, I figured out which episodes they played this in, and this is
all in 1955. So they sang it five times in
the sinking of Westminster Pier April, in Paris.
Well, with that same tune as you rightly coming down, Doom pot
soon. Otherwise, brilliant.
Brilliant. And then in the yeti which is in
my top five goons episodes did my top three actually.
And this was this was the three episodes later and they're
singing April in Paris. Again it comes up two times in
that episode. Then they sing it in the Lost
Emperor, which is a little bit later that year.
And finally, in foiled by President Fred, it's morphed
sort of, from, you know, April in Paris, to Christmas in Capri
or Cadbury. And so I think you're dead,
right? But I do wonder, you know, is
there a spike Milligan or Peter Sellers expert?
Who can tell us whether either of them, any of the goons went
to a capri for Christmas? Who knows?
Oh, you can bet money that sellers did at some point?
Yeah. And so maybe he'd mentioned this
for Spike because this episode was went out in November so he
might have seen a spike. I'm often in I'm having
Christmas in Capri and then next thing you know, maybe they're
you know so it's It's a Longboat a drawer, isn't it blind?
So that's what I spend my valuable goon, pod, time,
researching, tarlowe a dead. Well and the thing is we haven't
even mentioned the other songs that get men to sort of
reference. Like I talk to the trees which
equals things again, because he's done that before.
And also another reference to the man from Laramie.
Well, it was a film and then there was a song called The Man
from Laramie but Jimmy Young, I think think on the episode of
did on Napoleon's piano, I think I mentioned that Jimmy young and
had it in the Hit Parade around this time.
So back to the back to the show heckles arrives, And grip Pine
Pinnacles have a little tater Tate and Echols says oh hey it
was a good idea of yours. Having me pack the two sacks and
where's the blue one with all the real money?
Yeah. And grip up says, this is the
blue one, you know, that fella was right.
Then what fella the Oculus fellow who said I was color.
Blind. So.
And and just the sheer dread in great part to the voices.
He says what? So blood knocks.
Got the real money. Yes.
And then you hear the famous goons as shocked as these.
Are you speeding it? The worst thing key, as he
speeds out of the room and then Blue Bottle, turns up and and it
would appear that blue bottle and Echols have been conspiring,
which is, which is quite something.
If you think about it, it really isn't for them to come up with
such a scheme. Absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, normally they're reactive characters, Nettie all
say this Is the game and then Blue Bottle goes or and and goes
along with whatever the game happens to be.
So yeah and they've turned that around in this one blue bottle
and an decals are there. Giving the impression, you know,
that all they fell for it, did they, we cut to a different room
at this point tire and it's blood, knocks room and he bursts
in and his assistant one which could be a reference to the
president but I don't think it is and One says you better take
that President Fred makeup off and see goon has bursts into the
room to pay the photograph of the four pound note to blood
knock, mmm-hmm. Yes.
All I'm not going to do is take his sack full of money and leave
the country. So he's got to get rid of needy,
of course, fun, unpack everything.
I've millions of mullah and must leave before.
Nelly gets back. You better take that President
Fred makeup of our various Yeah. Here's a photograph of a full
pound left. Touch.
Wait, wait. Wait.
This. This note in the photograph.
It's a forgery. No.
Christmas in, let me count the Moolah and up, what?
Great thundering, widgets of clowns, who dead, put down that
double action, hydraulic recal 18 inch mortar.
No it belonged to my mother. What do you want?
Give me the sack of money can come Mariotti old friends,
mustn't fall out very well. We'll settle this amicably.
How like this shuts Uma Gators. Everything coming to life old
got team. Is he dead?
Yes. Oh I'm shutting the cleans, you
got him. Hello Ned him.
What are these men lying on the floor for?
We haven't got any carpets Echoes.
Told me the bad luck. Ran off with a red sack full of
banknotes. Believing them to be real and
went there. No.
The real ones with Echo. There's the such a confusion
over the red and the blue sacks and who's got the real money
who's got the forgeries, and all the while Echols kind of just
seems to be just sort of watching at all, you know, quite
calm, and collected and quite happy with everything as it's
going on. And yeah, we've got blood not.
We've got ripped by Will got Moriarty, what seagull and
coming and going. And then we have the sort of the
climax of the show. Which is where again, blue
bottle and Echols. Have finally go, she ate.
Yeah. Yeah, that may negotiate over
the sack and I do that thing that they that we saw Moriarty
and, and blood knock doing before, which is, oh, well, you
know, you've got the red sacko, you have the red wine and I'll
take the nice blue, one Echols. He releases, I love this model
stinking old blue ones. By the way, there's also there's
a bit In that scene, where Blue Bottle says, now we both got
sacks and Echols. Yeah, even Milligan says, say
that again, which is not in the script and I'm wondering whether
because it's possibly it sounds a little bit, like blue bottle
with said sex not Sachs is the X.
I'm just, that's, that's what I read into that.
Now, I'm not going to argue with that but just on colorblind
element that about Eccles. When I did the, when we cover
the green stage story with Donna, several weeks ago,
there's a reference to Echoes being colorblind in that which
was just for the purpose of a gag throw away gag.
But but you could, you could argue that it, you know, it is
continuity. If you like, yeah.
Say that again the red one and the blue one, we have both got
side. This is a good game.
You know that what is this is bodies and liking this game
Echoes? Which Tech has the real money,
the blue one. Then we'll split it 50/50 you
take that. Nice red one and I've had these
rotten stinking of blue one and yet Quite sure that you're not
colorblind and you. Oh no, I'm not colorblind.
Hey well, goodbye and currents. Good boy, red bottle.
No, it's fantastic and then it's very quickly wraps up the show
as often is the case with this with the gun show.
Segan goes back to balam and in defeat and in shame, really?
Yeah. And he's, and he's begging for
his job, or his begging for, his old job back, because he's been
sacked. And then the his manager says,
I'm sorry, it's gone. Allow me to introduce our new
guest M. Inspector balam area president
Fred and of course It was it it's blood.
Knock any sound so happy to be there.
Yes. And the show ends in defeat for
see gooned. Once again, whereas there was a
bit in the script as I'm sure you've seen that actually takes
place. There's a there's a bit after
this that wasn't recorded or I don't think it was recorded
actually, I think it was just cut from The Script, there's a
scene bait you know, On the Isle of Capri with Eccles, who's
obviously got the money and he's calling over the manager.
And the manager is grip pipe then.
Yeah. Hope because of course you know,
Echols just once by the looks of it, egg on toast and a small
model pot of tea. And grab five says, I certainly
that'll be 50 million pesos. Yeah, that's right you've done a
fantastic job there of helping me.
As I navigate through this labyrinthine plot.
Yeah that's perfectly phrased. Very kind of you.
And yet I mean if the listener can see how much we were
struggling to get through, what actually went on needed to be
done, it's very often. As I said, you know, we don't
necessarily follow the show, go through the show but scene by
scene or whatever. But for this one I think it was
necessary. This is my disagree.
But I feel it. I feel it was necessary and I
really I've really enjoyed talking about it with you today.
Look, it's been great to talk about it with you.
Yeah. Likewise.
Thank you. So, is this is this your
all-time favorite episode? No, no, it's second on the list.
I've got to say so Fireball of Milton Street, is definitely
number one for me love Fireball of Milton Street.
But as As this was the first because what I would like is
eventually you're going to cover Fireball of Milton Street and I
want to hear you talk about that with somebody else and see what
perspective that the both of you, whoever it is bring to it
and I'll really enjoy listening to that.
So I didn't want to sort of a ruin it.
So I went to four by President Fred which was my first one.
As I said, okay, good, good. If I bottom open streets, one of
those shows that's not really ever talked about much, but it's
a good, it's a good one, it's absolutely good.
It says, it's It's a classic one and so just for you know we
touched on it earlier podcast. Oh cat flap.
Oh it's going strong. It's it's how many episodes are
you up to now? Hmm.
Well around 12. But I only number what I call
the main episodes and then we have bonus episodes so there's
three or four of those. So probably in reality about 15
episodes are available for listening for people.
I mean it's It's not even been a year yet of podcast.
Oh, cat flap. Oh, so it's in its infancy and,
and yeah. And I'd the last one I heard was
the one way. It was at Bad been Railton.
Yeah, yeah. Which I'm guessing is a nom de
plume. No, no, no, no.
That's his actual name. His name is, is Benedict,
Railton is his name is and it just happens to.
So coincidentally sound almost exactly, like, Ben Elton.
And some people have just looked glanced at the cover.
And got Ben Elton as you were, you know, and it's no, no, it's
been real turn. So yeah, he was at the recording
of episode 2, which is the one of course, you mentioned at the
beginning of the podcast, which is such an amazing episode of
cat flap. And he was there?
Yes. Yes.
He he saw Eduardo catflap. Oh, being recorded live.
So that's how I mean I I I've mentioned, I think more than
once on this show who were sounds a bit rude.
The game show that Richie is appearing on with the Gareth.
Gareth, hail hunt, Gareth Hale, and Chris Barrie and Harry
Enfield. He's in that scene, isn't he?
And listen at you know listeners who maybe are not so familiar
with filthy bridging cat flower. But you know, if you like
bottom, if you love Rik, Mayall who doesn't God?
Yes. Lily, it's coming up for 10
years and next year, we 10 years since he since he left us Jeff
and losers. Terrible.
Isn't it and 10 painful years but it seems they've flown by.
Yeah. Yes they have.
They have I was at Queen's watching tennis, would you
believe down on London happened? That's why I always associated
with that. Anyway, listen, anyone who's a
fan of this podcast of British comedy of Rik, Mayall.
I highly recommend that you seek out podcaster catflap.
Oh, And also, you know, check out sitcom Showdown and even the
goodies podcast, if you love the goodies, or again, if you love
comedy, check them all out there.
All in the usual places. Our Tyler, thank you.
This has been brilliant. Thank you for plugging those and
I love Green Pod and I'm more of a fan of the Pod.
I would say than I am of the goons and that shows you a love.
So goons so goon pod is its exceptional and so I'm not
trying to embarrass you or anything like that but the work
you do is brilliant and every episode is so enjoyable so I'll
continue to listen to goon pod for as long as it runs.
Okay. The check is in the post.
In a red Sakura in a blue sack? Yes.
Thanks again to Jeffers. By the way, the gun show that
Jeff is mentioned earlier, which he couldn't remember, the name
of, was the stolen Postman from series 8, written solely by
Larry Stevens. As always, I will be back next
week and new show new topic, new guests, and until then, take
care of yourselves. See you soon.
Bye. Thanks again to Jeffers.
By the way, the gun show that Jeff is mentioned earlier, which
he couldn't remember, the name of, was the stolen Postman from
series 8, written solely by Larry Stevens.
As always, I will be back next week and new show new topic, new
guests, and until then, take care of yourselves.
See you soon. Bye.