1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:06,720 Eddie, now listen to this. You see that's what's happened 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,080 to Milligan, who don't want to end up like that. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,520 Here is a preview of next winter in Jimmy Grafton's attic. 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,600 The winds state rain and trousers are falling. 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,040 The monkeys are still doing it in the soup, and the snow lies 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,520 heavy on the slopes of Rachel Well. 7 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,200 The. Hello and welcome to goon pod 8 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,720 bringing sunshine and joy into your rather drab lives. 9 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,840 That went badly. What I meant, dearness, is that 10 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,440 you bring sunshine and joy into my rather drab life. 11 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,720 That's better. So thank you for joining me 12 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,240 again this week. Now we're getting very, very 13 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:32,560 close to Christmas and I invited back to the show, friend of the 14 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,760 show, stalwart supporter of the show, Roger Stevenson. 15 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,880 So Roger, I asked you along today just just to have a bit 16 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,920 sort of shoot the breeze and have a bit of a chat about what 17 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,920 kind of gave me the idea of I think you you came up with the 18 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:59,040 idea initially was was ranking people within the goons orbit. 19 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,680 Yeah, I think that's it. It wasn't my idea originally. 20 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,720 It came from the Facebook page, but I think it was Duncan Gray 21 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,440 came up. Duncan Gray. 22 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,040 Of course he did to Duncan Gray. But yes, I did compile a list. 23 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,520 But. The problem with lists is no one 24 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,880 ever agrees with the list. In fact, when I finished it, I 25 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,120 didn't agree with it either. Well, I've been looking at mine. 26 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,800 So we're both independently of each other, written out a list 27 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:33,280 of in an order of importance, people, people within the Goons 28 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,400 universe, if you like. Exactly. 29 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,120 And that can be that could be writers, that could be 30 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,520 producers, that could be musicians, that could be 31 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,160 performers, whatever. And we we would. 32 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,040 I think you messaged me and said you had a list of 12. 12 good 33 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,840 men and true yes. OK, because I've got a list of 34 00:02:54,720 --> 00:03:03,000 in total 30, the, the, the, the bottom sort of the late 20s. 35 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,040 We are really getting into scraping the barrel. 36 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,920 But but I've, I've got a, I've got a loose list and and I, I 37 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:14,000 just like to talk through both our lists and see where we, 38 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,520 where we agree and where we, where we depart. 39 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,880 Yeah, sure are. We are. 40 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,600 We're going to take the goons as given and not include them, if 41 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,080 you know what I mean. It's up to you. 42 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,160 I think there's things to say about. 43 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,920 I think there's things to say about them, but we'll keep it 44 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:35,040 brief. OK, well should we do it in 45 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,640 rather than, you know, like a countdown? 46 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,480 Should we start from the top and work our way down? 47 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,560 Do you? Think, OK, yeah, fine. 48 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:48,280 OK, so, OK, well, I've, I've included the goons in my list. 49 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,640 Yes. So do you want to kick off with 50 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,720 your number one? Tell me what? 51 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,440 Yes, my number one is Jimmy Grafton. 52 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,560 Elsie, you've not included the games. 53 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,560 I have, but Jimmy Grafton still number 10, right? 54 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,880 Oh, we can. You're doing that. 55 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Are you OK? Doing what? 56 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,360 This is a genuine I think without Jimmy Grafton the girls 57 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,400 wouldn't have existed. I guess so. 58 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:20,279 You know, because they were just one of hundreds of people D 59 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,280 mobbed in their 20s and searching for Korea. 60 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:26,040 And these were homing in more or less on comedy. 61 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,480 Although I suspect at the time Spike was more into the music 62 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:36,120 and without Grafton's Pub and his, I don't know, paternal 63 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,600 attitude towards and the fact that when Harry Secombe turned 64 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,360 up and said I don't like Bradley Band box and it's old fashioned 65 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,840 and tripe and Jimmy Grafton said, well, I write it actually 66 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,600 must have taken a quite a quite, you know, what a nice man to 67 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,240 sort of then be quite happy to discuss instead of saying 68 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,360 there's the dog, get out. Yeah, well, didn't he write? 69 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,760 Did he write for Derek? Roy as well, he did, yes. 70 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:02,520 Spike, he did. He couldn't stand multi talented 71 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,560 man, Yes. Well, I think the reason he 72 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,080 couldn't stand him was because he wouldn't use he didn't use 73 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,320 much of his material and didn't know how to handle it when he 74 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,080 didn't deliver it very well. I think Jimmy Grafton's vastly 75 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,880 underrated, I mean multi talented man. 76 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,040 He was writing well into the 50s Billy Cotton band show. 77 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,040 He wrote, I believe he wrote when Santa got stuck up the 78 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,520 chimney. So and he certainly wrote songs 79 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,240 for Harry Secombe lyrics, lyrics for songs to Harry Secombe. 80 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,200 But you know, without, without Grafton's then the girls would 81 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,720 have had nowhere to meet. Well, this is true wouldn't have 82 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,680 been able to spoken. I had nowhere to live one point 83 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,760 and the. Thing is, did he, Did Jimmy 84 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,520 Grafton continue as Harry's agent? 85 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,360 Yes, he did. Till when? 86 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,720 Till his? Till he, Till he. 87 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,480 Died till he died? Yes, I think so and I don't. 88 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,040 I haven't. It's difficult to research Jimmy 89 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,000 Grafton. There's apparently got no 90 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,360 footprint on the Internet at all, very little you can find on 91 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,560 him and even things like the gun show preservation society. 92 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,360 The only thing I've found is the interview with his children, 93 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,680 which was down to their memory. So there's very little you can, 94 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,800 which is a great shame because like I say, he was a very 95 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,880 talented man and obviously very, he was a hero during the war, 96 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,320 wasn't he? Got a Military Cross. 97 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,040 So he's a very brave man as well. 98 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,240 So. But yeah, there's so little 99 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,000 about him. And yet if he hadn't of he's, he 100 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,880 must have been the one who saw the talent in Milligan. 101 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,240 The writing talent probably showed him some stuff. 102 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,920 Well, this boy's got something here, and he's the one that 103 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,320 nurtured it. And he put him up as well, 104 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:51,520 didn't. He, he did, yes. 105 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,040 Yes, it's, it's, I think he spent sort of several years 106 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,480 alternating between Peter Sellers and his parents, 107 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,840 Grafton's flat and of course being on tour with the Bill Hall 108 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:08,600 trio. But yeah, I mean, and also they 109 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,480 honed their art there, you know, that they put on performances, 110 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,920 they recorded stuff. They could give me. 111 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:20,320 Grafton, they got a recorder. Without him, the goons wouldn't 112 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,360 have got together and did what they did. 113 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,360 And here, of course, was the one with the contacts working for 114 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,120 the BBC. Yeah, yeah, in the context. 115 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:36,760 So you make already. Your list is shaping up to make 116 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,480 mine look very trivial in trial, no? 117 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,440 I don't, but I just at one point I thought calling it the 118 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,280 Forgotten Men of the Goons, people who kind of been left out 119 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,240 to some extent or or perhaps thrust in the shadow. 120 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,240 But in the same way as Larry Stevens has been brought to 121 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,720 light by Julie Warren, you know, we've got a much better 122 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,920 understanding than what he did. It'd be lovely if someone 123 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,960 somewhere did the same for Jimmy Grafton. 124 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,640 So because already got, you know, you, I've had to piece 125 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,840 things together about him. There's this bit in the Goon 126 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,160 Show Companion, there's spikes bit in peace work. 127 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,640 We've got, as I said, a bit in the gun show preservation 128 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:21,040 society, a bit in Ben teens book and you've kind of got to piece 129 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,240 it together like a little jigsaw to see, read between the lines 130 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,040 to see. Without this man, the girls just 131 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,720 wouldn't have happened. That would have been very 132 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,720 unlikely to happen. This this rephrase. 133 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,159 There's probably, there's probably a film in that 134 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,600 somewhere. Yes. 135 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,760 Although the the make a pig's ear of it, no doubt. 136 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,080 So where does he figure on my list, I wonder? 137 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,360 Let let, let us find out. Let's see if he figures on my 138 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,200 list. I've kind of approached this in 139 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:57,120 a very literal fashion and just thought, OK, in terms of the 140 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,720 goons. So my my number one is Spike 141 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,360 Milligan. He's my number 2 and I think we 142 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,320 we don't need to discuss that very much. 143 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:12,320 No, without him, there wouldn't be the Green Show. 144 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,640 Yeah, well, Grafton there wouldn't be. 145 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,080 But also, without Milligan, there wouldn't. 146 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,080 Be. Yeah, of course there wouldn't 147 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,960 be. And when you look at his stuff 148 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,480 he did for Derek Roy, you know, there's one script in piece 149 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,400 work. It's not very good. 150 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,480 The bits he put in there, you know, you could see it's not 151 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,840 very good, but there's signs there of, of something different 152 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,000 coming on. And, you know, it's fascinating 153 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:43,240 way to watch Milligan grow as a writer through from 1951 up to 154 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,560 up till he died, really. Yeah, yeah. 155 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:47,960 OK. And we don't, we don't need to 156 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,520 discuss Spike particularly. We'll be talking about every. 157 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,040 Week. I do wonder whether he would 158 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,000 have without graft and supporting you. 159 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,240 I wonder if he'd he'd have just stayed in music. 160 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,560 I wonder if he'd have gone on to be a comedy writer. 161 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Interesting question. Yeah. 162 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,200 Or music with comedy. Music with comedy is more 163 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,880 likely, yes. Yeah, yes, like a like an early 164 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,040 incarnation of Billy Connolly. I. 165 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,680 Was thinking more the Bonzo Dog band but yes. 166 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,280 Mind you then Billy Connolly did become a full time comedian, 167 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:21,880 didn't he? So. 168 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,360 He did, yeah. Yeah, that's true. 169 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,480 And and Spider Man had gone the same way, Yeah. 170 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,440 OK, OK, so, so, so he's your number 2. 171 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:37,520 So my number 2 is Peter Sellers. So hold off, hold off saying 172 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,000 where he figures in your list. But I had to think, OK, so the 173 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,440 three of, well, the three principal goons, what's the 174 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,680 hierarchy? What's the, how do you rank them 175 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,520 in terms of importance? And importance is such a 176 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:57,480 abstract term anyway. But I think there is an argument 177 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,160 to be made that Harry Secombe should be #2 but I think Peter 178 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,240 Sellers has the edge if only just because of the characters 179 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:13,120 that he created or Co created if you like voiced and just his 180 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,800 overall weight, literally and metaphorically his overall 181 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,840 weight in terms of the the goon shows makeup. 182 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,040 What do you say say about him? And would you rank Harry higher 183 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,320 than him? I've cheated and I've ranked 184 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,400 them both the same. Oh, OK, I I can't really 185 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,000 separate them. But The thing is, there are two 186 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,320 or three group goon shows with two without Harry and one 187 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,880 without Peter. None of them quite work without 188 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,120 those there. I mean, in in who is Pink Oboe 189 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,200 takes four people to replace Peter Sellers. 190 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,440 That's quite something this is. Your captain Jim Greenslade 191 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,800 speaking here is a warning. This ship will be passing 192 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,320 through fish infested waters, many of them sympathetic to the 193 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,720 Germans, so therefore there must be no naked lights on board. 194 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,400 Did you hear that, missus? O'Toole. 195 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,680 Now put some clothes on that match. 196 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,200 Well, I can't. I'm. 197 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,400 I'm looking for me Dorothy bag. Darling. 198 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,400 That old bag. Well, I I must find it cocky. 199 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,800 You are, darling. Oh, dear, you naughty woman. 200 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,560 You told me it was an overcoat sewn up at the bottom. 201 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,480 Well, you see, we couldn't afford the fair. 202 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,120 Darling. You got me into your Dorothy bag 203 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,720 under false pretenses. You darling. 204 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,560 Darling, you're the darling. I'm the you are a dirty. 205 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,760 Guy and the same with how you seek, you know, spawn 50 LB cure 206 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,320 a bit flat. Yes, Dick Emery puts in a a 207 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,760 decent performance, but he can't he can't raise it above. 208 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,040 Yeah, fairly average, mediocre can. 209 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,760 He. Yeah, OK not to, I think didn't 210 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Spike Milligan once described Harry Seekum as the best 211 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,440 straight man in the business, which is interesting comment. 212 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,800 I'm not sure that was much of a straight man. 213 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,240 Harry Seekum is. I take his point that, you know, 214 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,920 he's the one. Everything else bounces. 215 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:33,640 So in that sense, yes, I suppose he is, yeah. 216 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,480 And of course, there's the MC Reiki rising of 74, which is in 217 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,440 which Spike is absent. Yeah, and that doesn't really 218 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,160 work either. Not as well, although the the 219 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,360 batter pudding hurler where Spike isn't there works fine. 220 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,000 Do you think? I think so, yeah. 221 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,200 I can't. I can always, I can all I'm 222 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,160 distracted by, you know, it's seller's doing the voices and 223 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,880 I'm distracted by that. Yeah, I I get that. 224 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,240 But if you just sort of if you can put that to one side, it 225 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,200 imitates Milligan so well that for. 226 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,320 Me. He carries it off. 227 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,080 OK, well, Harry's my number three anyway. 228 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,040 So. So we've got Spike, Peter, 229 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,360 Harry. So what's next? 230 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,680 Who's next on your list? Well #3 for me is Larry Stevens, 231 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,360 especially early on, Larry Stevens was vital for Spike 232 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,680 Milligan. Spike and all these wonderful 233 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,720 gags and what have you. And it was pretty shapeless, 234 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,560 wasn't it? I think Dennis Maine Wilson 235 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,760 specifically asked for Larry Stevens says I can't make it a 236 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:36,720 tale of this. I can't. 237 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,280 I can't produce a show from this. 238 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,040 Give me someone who can, preferably Larry Stevens. 239 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,760 Actually it made me wonder because you listen to Barry 240 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,720 took, he said him and Marty Feldman when they did round the 241 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,680 horn. Marty was more of a sort of 242 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,240 crazy ideas man and and Barry took called himself the better 243 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,120 technician, I suppose, not put in the frame for it or to go in. 244 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,760 And I think it's got the same thing here. 245 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,720 That spiker got brilliant ideas and Larry was able to sort of 246 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,640 shape them, put them in, put them into some sort of order. 247 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,480 I kind of wonder what it's like for some of these others like 248 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,400 Gordon and Simpson. Yeah, but Spike was very 249 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,880 dismissive of Larry and called him the highest paid typist in 250 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,840 London. Yeah, he was dismissive of Jimmy 251 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,360 Grafton one time as well. He said. 252 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,080 He he he just hung on to him because he knew that Spike had 253 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,400 more talent. Spike, for all his brilliance, 254 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,920 is not always kind No to people who have worked with him it. 255 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,760 Would have been it was lovely if there if there existed some sort 256 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,360 of some recording of Larry. You know that as in even at a 257 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:55,240 because, because there are a few recordings or a handful of 258 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,240 recordings of rehearsal. Good show rehearsals will be 259 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,200 lovely to, to even heard Larry, you know, commenting in the 260 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,360 background or whatever. But he's completely silenced, of 261 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,920 course, because he died in 59. That's unfortunate. 262 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,760 I, I did ask Julie Warren if she had any of his scripts, just to 263 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,040 see if they varied from Milligan's at all. 264 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,160 You know, if you saw any of the workings, it'd be interesting to 265 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,080 have a look at it and compare the two Spikes scripts with 266 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,760 Larry's scripts and see how they made notes or what have you on 267 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,880 the side. But as you say, unfortunately he 268 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,400 is a victim of the war really, wasn't he? 269 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,000 He died young. So unfortunate, but I think 270 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,240 without Larry I, I'm not sure. Again, I suppose really one of 271 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,800 the things that made me do it the way I did was I think 272 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,800 getting the goons on the air was the hardest bit of all because 273 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,320 it was so different to a variety band box. 274 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,960 It's that man again or anything else. 275 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,840 But it the hardest thing was to get them on. 276 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,120 So those most involved with getting the Goon show started, 277 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,319 I've given greater weight to than those who sort of came in 278 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:08,960 later. So that's what Larry Stevens is 279 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,040 high with me. Oh, apparently he suggested 280 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,599 Peter Eaton to replace Dennis Maine Wilson, which is an 281 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:15,760 interesting thought. Isn't. 282 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,960 It oh, is that why is that why Peter Eaton I. 283 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,079 Believe so. Yeah, he suggested him so. 284 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,520 OK. OK. 285 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,760 All right. Well, my number 4 is Wallace 286 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:38,360 Greenslade, OK. And I think very highly of 287 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:46,080 Wallace Greenslade, and he is a necessary part of the Goon show 288 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,520 for sure. Obviously not just in his role 289 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:53,240 as announcer, but he's also really a stooge to the other 3, 290 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:58,120 isn't he? Yes, he I mean Andrew Timothy 291 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:01,880 was used, but not in the same to the same extent. 292 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,920 You know, he was given silly things to say fairly early on. 293 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,520 I think the Series 1 program for he gets to do a scrimps and 294 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,760 scrimps and but he was got the impression that he did very much 295 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,240 enjoy it was Wallace Greenslade. He think loved it. 296 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,880 Have you ever thought that perhaps if he wasn't so 297 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,960 hierarchy, John Snagg would have loved to date that part? 298 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,120 Oh yeah, I think he'd love to be Wallace Greenslade. 299 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,640 Yeah, but I think he's got John Snake's got too much bearing too 300 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,040 much. He's he's he's he's a bit more 301 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,680 top drawer than Wallace. Wallace is a kind of a slightly 302 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,920 bumbling, isn't he? And. 303 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,880 He is in this, but I don't suppose he was when he read the 304 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,480 news. I don't know. 305 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,080 You get the impression that he was. 306 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,080 I mean, he certainly wasn't unprofessional, but there were 307 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,800 it wasn't there. Didn't he get hauled over the 308 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,360 coals for being drunk on air once or something? 309 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,120 I don't know. And then again, John Snagg was 310 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:09,480 the one who said in the boat races, either Oxford or 311 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,520 Cambridge in front. I can't tell where she is. 312 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,240 They all made their errors. What's that? 313 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,720 Ted Lowe? That famous Ted Lowe comment. 314 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,080 For those in Washington, black and white, then I think is 315 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,880 behind the green or. Something that was that. 316 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:33,600 Something like that, Yeah, yeah. But I mean, I mean, what, what, 317 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,760 what a screenslate such a integral part of the show, so 318 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,280 much so we got we got his own episode of. 319 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,560 Course he did, and he was the sort of star of fanderhead 320 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,200 shavers. Spanish suitcase, yes. 321 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:54,960 Green sliders, yeah. And and I I my favorite Wallace 322 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,680 green slate bit comes after my favorite echoes and blue bottle 323 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:04,720 bit in the booty gorilla about the the rabbit and the and the 324 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,040 the dog. You know, I've got a Bunny 325 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,360 rabbit. I've got a Pussycat that bit. 326 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:10,440 And when he tries to explain it at the end. 327 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,880 I should have stayed at home with the fire, with ruffians. 328 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:20,120 Who's ruffians? What do you know? 329 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,760 You got a Pussycat. Get a head. 330 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,560 Got a Pussycat. Whoa, I ain't got a Pussycat. 331 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,000 But I I got a Bunny rabbit. I had not got a Bunny rabbit. 332 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,200 I got 1. You got a Bunny rabbit? 333 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,040 Yeah. Yeah, You got one? 334 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,160 Yeah. Got a Pussycat. 335 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:44,160 I never knew that. Yes, it's Russell. 336 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,440 Who's that? My Pussycat. 337 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,200 I've got a Bunny rabbit. Of you. 338 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,000 Yeah, I've got a pussy cat. What's his name? 339 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,440 Who's that? My pussy cat. 340 00:20:53,440 --> 00:21:05,800 I've got a Bunny rabbit. Just in case some stupid people 341 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,960 didn't understand that conversation, it was briefly 342 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,280 that Blue Bottle had a Bunny rabbit and Echoes had a Pussycat 343 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,320 called. Ruffles. 344 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,040 I'm so sorry, I beg your pardon. Echols had the Bunny rabbit and 345 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,280 blue bottle the Pussycat. Not as I said before, that pussy 346 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,520 rabbit and the echo cat and Bunny bottle, The kiddle pot. 347 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:36,120 The Kiddle Nat Pot. I suppose the BBC do know what 348 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,760 they're doing. Of course they. 349 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,120 Do again. There are so many bits where he 350 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:45,440 sounds so serious. Yes, I must have not haven't 351 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,200 gotten the high but I do love. Wallace Greenslade. 352 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,680 OK, well so who's next on your list then? 353 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,400 Next to my list is Michael Benteen. 354 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,720 Yeah, OK. But the problem with Michael 355 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,720 Benteen, of course, is that very little exists. 356 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,880 Yeah, I'll admit to a prejudice. I mean, as a child I watched the 357 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,400 bumblers. As a teenager, I watched this, a 358 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,880 square world. As a parent, I watched Potty 359 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:18,360 Time, a big soft spot for Michael Benteen, and I suppose 360 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:23,040 the reason I put him so high is because I think a lot of the the 361 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,240 good ideas, not necessarily gags, but the sort of sketch 362 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,320 ideas in the early series came from Benteen that they so more 363 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,680 like him is sort of documentary style approach. 364 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:42,360 You know, Tutankhamun and the brabagun BRM the Gunetania that 365 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,720 they sound far more like the sort of thing he did later on in 366 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,760 as a square world than sort of Milligan's going off a weird 367 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,520 tangents and and and taking the form of genres of novels and so 368 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,200 on or actual novels in the case of 1984. 369 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:01,640 I guess that's why I put in there. 370 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,080 Did you know he was on less money than how he seek on Peter 371 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,760 Sellers I. Didn't know that. 372 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,600 Yeah, and he asked me considered as a writer, and they said no, 373 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,960 you don't. You're not the one with the 374 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,800 typewriter. Hey, that's the point. 375 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,880 Because because he never got, he never got credited in the 376 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,680 scripts as no, never as a writer, did he? 377 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,400 But he wrote Oh. Yeah, he obviously was part of 378 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,640 the creative prose, I suspect for early days. 379 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,520 You know, again, if you read piece work and the stuff they 380 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,160 just outlived, I think they all put ideas to it. 381 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,960 But I suspect Ben Team was a major contributor of ideas. 382 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,400 But I suppose one of the reason they didn't have credit as a 383 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,360 writer. Script by Spike Milligan and 384 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:54,320 Larry Stevens and Jimmy Grafton and Michael Ben Team. 385 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,800 I guess the BBC coffers wouldn't stretch that far. 386 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:06,120 Anyway, yeah, so and of course, his central character was OSRIC 387 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,160 Pure Heart, who was a, yes, I guess a forerunner of Ned 388 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,520 Seigun. Yeah, I think he morphed into 389 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,600 Ned Seigun slightly differently because pure heart was yeah as 390 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,000 absolute minded Professor wasn't even more mad Inventor or a 391 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,480 Seigun was mad all sorts of things, but. 392 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,480 Whatever. Whatever the script required to 393 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,560 be that week, yes. Yes, so. 394 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,320 Of course we do have Oh God down among the Z men. 395 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:41,320 Yes, never mind. Yeah, but because you could 396 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:48,240 argue the best person in that or best performer in that was. 397 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,000 Benting. Yeah, I think I'd agree. 398 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,560 I think in the early days I think he was the best in the 399 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,160 goons. He was the most formed 400 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,640 character. The other sort of blood, not, 401 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,360 well, the exception of Eccles. I think Eccles was predated the 402 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:06,960 goons. He was still there, and Derek 403 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,960 Warley wasn't he? But he was the most formed 404 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,360 character. Blood not gradually grew, all 405 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,800 the others gradually developed, but he was there, sort of fully 406 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,200 formed more or less from the start. 407 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,040 Yeah, I don't listen very much to, you know, there's got to be 408 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,640 what I think there's 3 is a three. 409 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,400 Three not complete ones, I think. 410 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,320 Not quite complete. Ones 3 from pre series 3 so 411 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,280 inventing still. Yeah. 412 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,200 Yeah, there and they're they're pretty poor, very poor quality. 413 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,880 Yeah, and I find them difficult to listen to and and also 414 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,400 they're not particularly funny. But you then you think obviously 415 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,720 the scripts still survive for all the early shows and you 416 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,760 think, you know, imagine if somebody somehow discovers 417 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,560 recordings that somebody made of the first 3 Series in their 418 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,040 entirety. And, and I think you and I may 419 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,440 have said this before, be careful what you wish for. 420 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,200 I think Ted, no, Ted Kendall said that. 421 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,840 I think be careful what you wish for because they might not be 422 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,720 very good. I suspect it wasn't as good. 423 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,880 I mean, it doesn't really get to a stride until towards the end 424 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,480 of Series 4, does it? Yeah. 425 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,960 Good evening. My name is John. 426 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,360 I wonder if kudar help me. I'm sorry. 427 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:35,840 The Barber shop is next door. No, no way. 428 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,440 I I just come in. Out of your advancement in the 429 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,560 newspaper. But the papers are really just 430 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,920 out. How could you have seen the 431 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,320 advert so soon? I have special access to the 432 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,120 early editions of all the papers. 433 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,200 I sell them. Come in. 434 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,160 Come in. This is my committee, gentleman. 435 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:56,840 This is the captain. Pure heart. 436 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,720 He's applying for the job of genius. 437 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,480 Oh, splendidum. Tell us your heart. 438 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,080 What was your last job? I was the hit gamekeeper. 439 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,520 To whom? Lord Chatterley. 440 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,040 Did he give you a reference? Nobody's wife did. 441 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,800 Yes. Well, now that you're here, 442 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,840 you'll need to start a physical check over now. 443 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,720 First take your boots off. Right. 444 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,480 Yeah, yeah, now I've put them on the table. 445 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:30,000 Why we haven't got any? So Bentin's next to my list as 446 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,040 well, after Wallace. So what number is that for you 447 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:39,320 then #5 #5 OK, and I've got Larry Stevens down as number 448 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,720 six, so we'll discuss. Larry, who's next on your list? 449 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,640 Well. This rounds it out nicely 450 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,080 because mine I've got equal the Harry sequel Peter Sellers. 451 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:53,320 So we've actually top sixes aren't that far apart, but from 452 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,680 Wallace Greenslade that are Jimmy Grafton. 453 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,240 They're sort of slightly rearranged, but I maintain 454 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,800 anyway after the first three I'll rearrange them at regular 455 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,960 intervals. You think, no, that's your 456 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,840 opinions change and things happen so yeah. 457 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,120 So you come and tell us they're. Under Larry Stevens. 458 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,880 Yeah, I, I think Harry Seekin and Peter Sellers would have had 459 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,280 a career on their own. You know, they're both forge 460 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,920 their own career regardless of the Golden Show. 461 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,040 Yeah, that you, you're right. Yeah, absolutely. 462 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,520 Well, I've got as #7 Ray Ellington. 463 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,880 OK, he's lower down on mine but I I do. 464 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,600 I am a great fan of Rain, but do you know the first program he 465 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,520 gets a funny line in? The first program as opposed to 466 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,360 goon show episode or. First goon show episode he gets 467 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,560 a funny lining it's. Probably going to be because 468 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,280 you're asking me this. It's probably going to be 469 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,800 something quite late on, so something from the fifth series. 470 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,200 It's actually Series 1, Program 2. 471 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,480 Oh, really? I I research, I looked it up. 472 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,280 I just thought, well, when did he first? 473 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,200 And I looked it up and there it was in Series 1, Program 2. 474 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,840 He's a waiter or something. And Sikom says, can I have the 475 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,520 bill? Here you are, Sir. 476 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,960 This is Billington. Sikom says, what's epistle for? 477 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,800 And Ryan says read the bill and you know, right? 478 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,800 OK. That early on, and it's not a, 479 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,400 it's not a racist joke. That's. 480 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,680 The thing he gets a joke in series 1 programme 2. 481 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,960 Yeah. Yeah. 482 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,160 Wow. OK. 483 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,480 Yeah, it's quite good, isn't it? That's how much they liked him. 484 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,400 Spike always did say musicians appreciate the sense of him. 485 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,680 Jazz musicians in particular always appreciate their sense of 486 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,160 humour. Absolutely, Yeah. 487 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,840 And of course I mean quite apart from his weekly musical spot, 488 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,680 which some of them I enjoy, some of them I enjoy less so some of 489 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,440 his some of his numbers. But he had a a fairly regular 490 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,000 role in the show as the Red Bladder. 491 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,120 It'd be interesting, it'd be interesting to sort of see how 492 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,240 many shows he doesn't get a line in, how many shows he doesn't 493 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,720 actually speak in. The. 494 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,840 Most fascinating to do. Probably a bit dumb and boring, 495 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,520 but the the results would certainly be interesting so. 496 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,240 So that's right. So, so who's who's on your list 497 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200 next? Pat Dixon, that Dixon. 498 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,520 OK, right. Yeah, again, it's because 499 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,680 getting the Goon Show started was the hardest part and he was 500 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,560 the one that persuaded the BBC put it on after the Sellers 501 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,040 Castle debacle didn't happen because they did it without, 502 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,760 which I think, but you. I think that's a good thing, 503 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,840 because I think the format had been far too restrictive for 504 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,920 Spike. And also to Sellers Castle, they 505 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,760 had other people involved with that, like Janet Brown. 506 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,880 Yeah, but they they've renamed it and they tatters. 507 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,000 Castle. Yeah, yeah. 508 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,360 And put it out. Yeah. 509 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,240 Janet Brown and Peter Butterworth. 510 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,320 That's right. Yes. 511 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,240 But they were all part of that same gang, weren't they? 512 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,560 Alfred Marx, Graham Stock. They're all Grafton's crowd, 513 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,480 weren't they? No, but of course, Pat Dickson. 514 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,440 So, yeah. So he's there. 515 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,080 He's he's a big champion. He's there very early on, but he 516 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:44,200 also of course produces them after Peter Eaton leaves. 517 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:50,120 Yes, until his untimely death. And you could argue, I mean, I 518 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,280 don't know, we'll come to this later perhaps, but is the 7th, 519 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,920 is the 6th or the 7th series the strongest series of the game 520 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,320 show in your opinion? Oh, I wouldn't like to say I've 521 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,720 got to be honest. I've got a great lightning for 522 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,360 the fifth series and the fourth series in a strange sort of way. 523 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,880 So yeah, I think anywhere from 4:00 to 7:00 is the gold. 524 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:22,400 That's that's the best of it. OK, so next to my list, quite 525 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,840 predictable this I suppose because you've seen the way I've 526 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,960 been my my rationale so far next to my list is is Max Geldre. 527 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,480 Oh right, yeah, I got to be honest, he doesn't make my list. 528 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:42,040 OK, nothing wrong with Max Goldray, but I think you could 529 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,520 replace him with another jazz musician quite happily and not 530 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,720 notice a difference. I mean, his acting skill is 531 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,600 Megan's emotions, so, yeah, he doesn't make mine. 532 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,880 My next man is Dennis Main Wilson. 533 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,600 Oh, again, because of the beginning. 534 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,160 Yeah. I mean, he was a regular 535 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,160 drafting, wasn't he? He must have watched it live 536 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,000 many times, isn't it? Right. 537 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,360 He was known as Dennis Main Drain. 538 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,000 He could drink a pint of Guinness. 539 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,280 Yeah. It's wonderful because he 540 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,120 brought in Larry Stevens, but I think the main reason I got him 541 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,520 there is because, you know, Spike through he became later, 542 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,040 he was very diffident, especially when he was younger, 543 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,120 quite shy, quite introvert. And yeah, Jimmy Grafton brought 544 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,080 him out a little bit. But imagine if they'd ever had a 545 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,880 sort of very stern, disciplined producer like Peter Eaton early 546 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,160 on. I wonder what effect that I've 547 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,520 had on Spike. Whereas Dennis May Wilson 548 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,760 apparently was very enthusiastic and cheerful and gung ho, I 549 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,360 think, I think it must have helped Spike to have someone 550 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,680 there like that who could sort of say well done, that is 551 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,840 brilliant in the early days. So again, getting the whole 552 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,520 thing started. I think Dennis May Wilson 553 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,080 deserves a high spot. He does. 554 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,880 And of course he does defend it from the BBC. 555 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,520 You know, he had the sort of he was the one holed in front of 556 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,280 the coals. What on earth is this rubbish? 557 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:27,120 The go on show, have you? Yeah, he's he's what he's one of 558 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,920 those kind of those English. I want to say what my say like 559 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:37,639 eccentric sort of enthusiasts that that this country throws up 560 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,760 on a regular. We used to anyway, on a regular 561 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,679 basis, somebody who he likes to drink, likes to smoke, but he's 562 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,120 so enthusiastic about everything and, and he's your best friend, 563 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,120 but he can also be totally unpredictable. 564 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,080 And, and, and of course he, we went on to, I mean, he, his 565 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,960 career who was interviewing, interviewed, Oh, John Lloyd, of 566 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,040 course. And you know, John Lloyd was 567 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,200 kind of one of his proteges, I suppose, in the 70s and he, he, 568 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,160 he, he lived a good long age. He probably died about 20 years 569 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,440 ago or something, but he such a legacy. 570 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:24,560 Yeah, not us. OK, so next to my list is Jimmy 571 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,400 Grafton. So there you go. 572 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,120 So he's, he's down as #9 on my list. 573 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,800 I'm glad that our lists are diverging or. 574 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,360 Diverging. I think they've converged yet. 575 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,800 No. OK, so who's next on yours? 576 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,840 What is that? Angela Morley? 577 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,760 OK, OK. And I just think the musical 578 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,640 links and the Goon show are perfect. 579 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,240 They're just the right side of parody. 580 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,680 You see what I mean? They're slightly overdone, but 581 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,160 not so much you think, all right, OK, we got it. 582 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,560 And things like the Yakubu anthem and the that that that 583 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,960 scene medley in Dishonoured is just brilliant, isn't it? 584 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,040 You know, sticks together half a dozen songs about the sea and 585 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:23,440 just make it all go into one. Lovely with a great punchline at 586 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,400 the end. And of course, the great Tuscan 587 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,720 salami scandal. The one without any music thinks 588 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,640 God does it suffer. Do you reckon? 589 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,000 I mean, I really enjoy that show. 590 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,440 Well, not that I don't like it, but all you've got is that sort 591 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,600 of crescendo of organ music. That's it. 592 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,760 I just wonder what Wally Stock could have done with that. 593 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,360 Sella's on the piano as well, haven't you? 594 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:59,920 Yes, you're doing a deliberately bad boy piano. 595 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:04,360 Yeah. Is rather lovely. 596 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,600 Imagine the links. You know those sort of all 597 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,000 you've got is that organ piece. I just think Wally stop would 598 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,720 have. I just smashed it. 599 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,600 Yeah. Yeah. 600 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:23,320 OK, so. Next to my list is Valentine 601 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,840 Dial. There you are, naughty little 602 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,600 echoes. No, Doctor Lingle Dongle getting 603 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,280 out of bed. Off. 604 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,200 I tucked you in and battered you unconscious for the night. 605 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,560 Gentlemen, I am the caretaker. My apologies. 606 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,960 You won't be disturbed further. What are you staring at me for? 607 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,680 What lovely teeth you have. False. 608 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,400 No, perfectly true. They are lovely teeth. 609 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,600 Why? Nothing. 610 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,200 Goodnight. Yeah, he doesn't make my list 611 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,680 either, but when he talked about the 5th goon, he was one of the 612 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,960 ones I thought about, I think. My objection. 613 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,560 No, not objection. Let me put put this, I think 614 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,000 Valentine Dial is great at sinister and menacing. 615 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,360 And the programs where you want someone sinister and menacing 616 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,560 such as the House of Teeth in the Canal and maybe the Spectre 617 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,640 Tintagel, Yeah, they're brilliant. 618 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:38,560 But what I noticed was in the Canal and House of Teeth in 619 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,920 particular, grip pipe thin and Moriarty disappear. 620 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,440 Because there's no need for. Because there's no need for that 621 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,720 sort of character and OR and his sidekick. 622 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,800 That's true. That's. 623 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,240 True. Yeah. 624 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,120 Try and imagine a canal with grip pipe. 625 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,920 Thin still works. Yeah, I'm just trying to think 626 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:05,560 as well. So in Robin Hood, yeah, you've 627 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,280 got Dennis Price and Valentine Dile. 628 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,200 Yeah, yeah, It's sort of. It's a Christmas special or 629 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,400 something, wasn't it? Yes, but he's not playing 630 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,360 Balazandale isn't playing the sort of main menacing character, 631 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,920 the main baddie in it, is he? No, I suppose not. 632 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:29,080 He is he Prince John Sheriff, Not Sheriff. 633 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,600 Sheriff of Nottingham, then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 634 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,160 It seems to be an effort to get absolutely everyone in that 635 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,520 program, isn't it? But I'd like to have Dennis 636 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,840 Price more, to be quite honest. That would have been an 637 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,920 interesting choice for good and sure, but there we are. 638 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,160 Well, we covered Robin Hood and the E Bandit of Sherwood Forest 639 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,440 about six months ago, and I don't think Dennis Price quite 640 00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:01,080 hit the mark in in Robin Hood, but perhaps it was just, I don't 641 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,520 know, it was just slightly, just felt slightly jarring to my ear 642 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,920 anyway. But but I loved Dennis Price. 643 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,360 Same here. I'm. 644 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,560 I'm biased. Yeah. 645 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:16,120 The naked truth, The fabulous kind, Hearts and coronets. 646 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:22,000 And I'm old enough to remember him as Jeeves in the TV 647 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,040 incarnation of PG Wodehouse History with Ian Carmichael as 648 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:27,960 well. Bertie Worcester. 649 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,480 That's. Right. 650 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,640 He was a fabulous Jeeves you can imagine. 651 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,000 Yes, and a bit of a bit of a, well, more than a bit of a sad 652 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,000 life. Really. 653 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,880 Yes, yes, yeah. Unfortunately. 654 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,960 OK, so so whose turn is it? So who's who's on yours next? 655 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,960 #10 #10 where? Where are you? 656 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,640 Oh, I'm at #10 I've just #10 was Valentine dial. 657 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,120 OK, I've got Peter Eaton. OK, I'm surprised he's not 658 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,680 higher up your list. He's he's my number 11 actually. 659 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,680 Closest we've come. Yeah. 660 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,600 Closest we're going to come either. 661 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,000 Yeah. What can you say about Peter 662 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,560 Eaton? He's the one who who took him up 663 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,080 to a higher level, isn't he? Yes. 664 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,200 He brought in the drama drama department techniques, the 665 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,000 microphone techniques are better sound effects library and made 666 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,720 him do what they were told for change. 667 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,880 He did. And he was quite, I mean, he'd 668 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,960 been what what had he been in the war? 669 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,720 I can't remember. But he'd been obviously an 670 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:37,600 officer and used to dressing down soldiers when needed. 671 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,320 So yeah, he brought that to the show. 672 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,520 And it says that famous story. Well, not famous story, but 673 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,760 there's there's there's a story that he supposedly fired Peter 674 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,960 Sellers in the middle of a gun show. 675 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,600 Recording yes, yes, the. International Christmas pudding, 676 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,480 I think it was. Yes, I've heard that story as 677 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,440 well. What was it for? 678 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,400 Ad libbing or drunkenness or? He, yeah, sort of ad libbing and 679 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,200 throwing Harry twice. Not literally throwing Harry, 680 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,040 but you know, yeah. I'll be difficult. 681 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,080 Harry could throw Peter, but I'd tell her there was a story that 682 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,760 Harry Seekon could pick them both up in their early days. 683 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,160 It's been harder in the early days because he went quite a 684 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,120 bit. Did Peter Sellers. 685 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,160 He did. He did. 686 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,720 Harry Seekon was very strong, wasn't he was a there are 687 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:28,840 stories of him keeping Sellers and Milligan apart when they had 688 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,320 a furious argument because he was so strong he could just. 689 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,800 Yeah, well, he's quite this. This there is, there are 690 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,120 photographs out there. Yeah. 691 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,480 In the plain rappers of him, there's there's a photo, there's 692 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,960 a photo session he did presumably for some some 693 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,480 magazine in the 50s where he was in a gymnasium and he was 694 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,440 wearing like this vest. He's quite muscular. 695 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,720 Yeah. Quite, quite beefy. 696 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,160 The archetypal Welsh propped forward, really. 697 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:08,960 Yeah, but Peter Eaton, it's just such a shame that there wasn't a 698 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,200 noticeable downturn in quality when he left because Pat Dixon 699 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,320 was his successor. But there's definitely a 700 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,200 difference between a Series 5 goon show and a Series 7 goon 701 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,800 show, isn't there? Yeah. 702 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,680 And the quality does not at this go down was depending on who's 703 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,520 producing. Later on, well, yeah, yeah, 704 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,840 Series 8 is is very patchy because they just, it's like 705 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,400 musical chairs with the producers. 706 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,320 Yes, it doesn't. And Tom? 707 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,040 Sloan. No. 708 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,760 No, not Sloan tom-tom. Tom Arnold. 709 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,440 No, not Tom Arnold. He's buried to wear his own bar. 710 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,560 Tom. Something like that come. 711 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,400 On Almighty Hang on, I'm going to have to find it because if I 712 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,160 don't, I'm going to sound. Ronald, something like that, 713 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:53,960 yeah. Tom Ronald. 714 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,120 Yes, I I'll pretend that we knew that. 715 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,200 So yeah. TomTom, Ronald. 716 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,960 Yeah, who? Who hated the goons? 717 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,640 I mean, I'd love to know who thought I got an idea. 718 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,120 We'll get home to produce a good show. 719 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,880 He hates them. Yes. 720 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,640 So Peter Eaton's my number 11. Yeah. 721 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,080 So who's next on your list? I'm down to Ray Ellington. 722 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,200 OK. I've got him that low. 723 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,240 I just think some of those are more important. 724 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,880 And I also wonder. I love Ray Ellington and like I 725 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,120 say, he's good right from the start, but I think there are 726 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,440 times I get the impression Spike felt the need of other 727 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,520 characters other than the three of them and was quite happy to 728 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,800 draw in Ray Ellington, Wallace Greenslade, etcetera. 729 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,000 He brought in George Chisholm didn't he? 730 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:50,920 Yes he did, and he tried to get Max Keld right, so I think he 731 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,400 always felt the need for more characters. 732 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,120 The main problem with the question I asked about Ray the 733 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,880 Ellington is if he hadn't, I'd love to program that centred on 734 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,640 him in like the Wallace Greenslade story. 735 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,600 I guess it was impossible because he had a musical 736 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,320 interlude to do, but it had been lovely to have one that featured 737 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,280 the red bladder centred on him. Well, isn't the Red Fort largely 738 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:27,000 about the red bladder? Largely, yes, but it's not the 739 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,400 same way as the Green Slate story is, no. 740 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,640 No, no, although if there was a Greenslade story version of 741 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,120 Ray's life, exactly. Rags to riches. 742 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,320 But again, you just know that it would be much of it would be 743 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,440 unbrocastable today. Yes, yes, it probably would be 744 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,880 the Max. Geldre story would be 745 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,280 interesting. Yes, of course he was in in the 746 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,960 Netherlands during the war, wasn't he? 747 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,560 So wasn't. Even the resistance. 748 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,080 Because I would have thought, yes, I mean, as Jewish, he would 749 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,360 have not had a good time. No, no. 750 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,080 OK, So my my number 12 is is Wally Start. 751 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,520 So there you go. We've already discussed yes. 752 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,640 And who rounds out your list? Wallace Greenslate. 753 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,080 Oh, OK, Right. Yeah, yeah. 754 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:21,800 OK, so, OK, so Ray, you, you give Ray more props than Wallace 755 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,000 then? Just because he's a little 756 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,640 longer. I guess, yeah. 757 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,440 Right from the start here, like I say, right from the start, he 758 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,160 was there. Whereas in Series 4, Wallace 759 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,720 Greenslade doesn't have a lot to do. 760 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,600 I think, you know, they're all finding their relationship, as 761 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,240 it were, and it takes a while for him to develop into the 762 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,360 Wallace Greenslade that we all know and love. 763 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,960 Yeah, I guess it didn't help because if you listen to them, 764 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,520 the latter one, that the early ones of Series 4 where Andrew 765 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,880 Timothy is still there, he has no funny lines at all. 766 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,600 It's sort of you get the feeling that there's no love lost and it 767 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,080 just is an announcer. Look at the last good show of 768 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,840 all. He's back, but he's only back 769 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,400 because Wallace turned up his toes. 770 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,640 Yeah, and he has a funny, a funny bit to say at the 771 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,240 beginning, and after that he's just totally straight. 772 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,600 Yeah. I mean, he got the job because, 773 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,440 again, Jimmy Grafton, he was his senior officer, wasn't he? 774 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,760 I. Would forgotten that. 775 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,080 Yeah. Right. 776 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,080 OK. OK. 777 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,080 So you've you've taken a lot more time and care, I think with 778 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,680 your list and you've, you've obviously weighted it towards 779 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,600 the the. Yeah. 780 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,240 The genesis of the show. And yeah, for the reasons that 781 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,080 I, yeah, yeah. OK. 782 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,360 Fair enough, but can we carry on with your list that would. 783 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,440 Be, yeah. I mean, mine gets progressively 784 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,400 stupid because I was just, I was just trying to, I was just 785 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,200 trying to put down as many people as I could think of that 786 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:06,600 that had some connection really. So, So my number 13 is Pat 787 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,400 Dixon. Oh, right, yes. 788 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,880 Because now, now that you've revealed your list, I'm I'm 789 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,360 thinking, God, mine looks so pathetic, but. 790 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,520 No, no, everyone's. I've told you everyone's list is 791 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,720 wrong. You have to accept that. 792 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,080 I accept that my list is wrong. It has to be because it's a list 793 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,680 that's going to be wrong. So it's not pathetic. 794 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,600 It's just, and I'll change mine now. 795 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,040 Now we've had a chat. I'm thinking, no, I really 796 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,080 should like that one higher. That one should be lower so. 797 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,600 OK, what number 14 on my list? Yes. 798 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,240 Eric Sykes. Yeah, interesting. 799 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,120 I I thought about him. I'll be honest, I'd thought 800 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:54,320 about more in terms of 5th goon in terms of because I don't 801 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,840 think he had much the influence. He just stepped in to help 802 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,800 didn't he? And tried to do a spike style 803 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,120 without quite getting there. Yeah. 804 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,040 And recently, which show was it? I was discussing for Org and I 805 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,280 was discussing for Org. I mentioned that Peter Eaton in 806 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,560 an interview. Although was it you that pointed 807 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,600 out that Peter Eaton played fast and loose with facts? 808 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,720 It wasn't me, but yeah, it it, it has been said. 809 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,560 But he he said he didn't particularly rate. 810 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,960 He rated Eric in general as a comedy writer, but he didn't 811 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,040 rate his Goon Show material particularly. 812 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,000 That's kind of unfair really, because he's Eric Sykes writes 813 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,800 as writing as Eric Sites, as you say, is brilliant. 814 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,280 I mean, I still think The Plank is one of the funniest films 815 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,960 I've seen, but you're asking Eric Sites to write the Spike 816 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,480 Milligan try something. That's quite a trick, isn't it? 817 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,320 Not to not to write it yourself, but as someone else who's 818 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,840 totally different. So it's a little bit unkind to 819 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,160 Eric, who did his best, it has to be said. 820 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,120 And I still, I still think tells him a martyr as well with this 821 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,920 or anyone you know. Yeah, because I'm sure Eric said 822 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,920 that Peter Sellers criticized some of his. 823 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,000 Scripts. But but then went on to say that 824 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,400 he thought that Tales of Montmartre was brilliant. 825 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,960 That's it. And in fact, as I recall a story 826 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,920 from Eric Sykes, it was, he said, right, this is going to be 827 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,640 the last goon so I ever write and it's going to be the best 828 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,760 one I've ever done. And he wrote Tales of Montmartre 829 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,960 and Peter. So I said that was the best goon 830 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,120 show. Too late, I'm out. 831 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,400 Don't stop, darling. Tell me all. 832 00:50:51,880 --> 00:51:14,480 If I can only speak French, There, there, there. 833 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,720 Please don't. Don't. 834 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:18,160 Don't cry. You're making a mustache. 835 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,800 Old Droopy is Paul. You must speak to him. 836 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,400 Certainly. Hello, Paul. 837 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,400 I see Arsenal took another bashing. 838 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,640 No, Paul didn't come home to me last night. 839 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,480 He can't do that to a wife of mine. 840 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,640 He has been unfaithful to us. I'll thrash him within 100 miles 841 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,440 of my life. In series 5:00 to 6:00 or 7:00 842 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,360 shows that are pretty pretty much predominantly Eric scripts 843 00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:53,120 and I'll get to the next person on my list, which is Andrew 844 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,480 Timothy. I guess kind of applying your 845 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,600 logic there, you know he was there early on and he's there 846 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,680 for the last Goon show. Yeah, it's a shame because I 847 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:11,160 mean, I think Program Series 1, Program 2, he's got funny 848 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,560 introductions of the characters and funny, you know, at the end 849 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,240 the show was starred. It's and they'd have funny 850 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:22,200 things to say about them. And I say by program 4 is doing 851 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:26,320 the scrimson on the scramson. And but you get the feeling that 852 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,560 you're not enjoying it. And when you hear the sort of 853 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,720 the ones that we can listen to because you can only read those 854 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,920 if you belong to also Preservation society and by the 855 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,280 Encyclopedia Britannicus, Unicus Unicus. 856 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,120 Sorry about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can read 857 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,320 them. But the ones you hear, he 858 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,800 doesn't have a lot to do, does he? 859 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:56,560 No, but it's still, you know, an important early figure in the 860 00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,120 game shows history. Yes, and and it's what what's 861 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:04,560 important about for me is the way Milligan uses the announcer 862 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,120 who's supposed to be straight and just to announce it as 863 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:12,320 another comic character, which I think is an innovation of him. 864 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,160 And I like the way that, you know, he gives him because of 865 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,240 his character. He gives him sardonic things to 866 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,040 say. Cease this furious bond with me, 867 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:26,520 You know, a serious voice. You know, he uses Andrew to it's 868 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,840 a brilliant milligram reason that he uses what Andrew Timothy 869 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,720 offers him. And then when he goes, he uses 870 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,880 what Wallace Greenslade offers him, which is a. 871 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,480 Yeah, there there's a sense of because what? 872 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,520 What's the phrase wounded dignity about Andrew Timothy? 873 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,280 Yeah, I'm only doing it for the. I'm only doing it for the money. 874 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,680 Yeah, you think it. You know, you go home every 875 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:55,160 Sunday night having been at the recording, and he gets home and 876 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,760 he's kicking the cat because he's and his. 877 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,680 His son, James Heriot, is carrying behind the couch. 878 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:05,280 I'm not going to be an announcer, I'm going to be an 879 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,840 actor instead, yes. Ladies and gentlemen, we now 880 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,280 present the prize winning Gunitzer playing based on a true 881 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,160 fictitious story. Listen, then, to the man who 882 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,320 tried to destroy London's monuments. 883 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,240 OK, so next on my list is John Snag. 884 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,320 Yes, that's good point. Yes, I think I should have 885 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:33,640 included him because yeah, he was that he wasn't, but he kept 886 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,080 him going. He supported them, defended them 887 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,640 and took part when he could. I think that's a good, good 888 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,080 choice. Yeah, and he appeared 20 odd 889 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,640 years later on a Sex Pistols record. 890 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,400 Yes, that's right. I mean, for someone who sort of 891 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,240 sounded so authority than that, he really had got a great sense 892 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:03,360 of humour, hadn't he? And he's in, of course he's in. 893 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,000 He has a brief cameo in The Magic Christian. 894 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,360 Yeah, which which I will defend with my dying breath, even 895 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,480 though it is a a shambles of a film if you look at it 896 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,400 dispassionately. But he's he's there covering the 897 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,400 boat Race. Yeah. 898 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:25,640 An in joke. Yeah, OK #17 is John Browell. 899 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,240 Yeah, fair enough, I think. Good point. 900 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,040 John Browell was very, I mean, he was a, he was a, one of the 901 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,960 sound guys, wasn't he? First of all. 902 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:43,760 And then he was promoted to producer from Series 9 and 903 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,280 Series 9 is, is a marked improvement on Series 8. 904 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,720 And even though there there are some fairly ropey shows, we've 905 00:55:53,720 --> 00:56:00,040 discussed them like Pink Oboe and 50 LB Cure and the and the 906 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,200 like. But there's some there's some 907 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,080 real classics as well, such as the the remake of Dishonoured, 908 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,320 Queen Anne's Reign I was Monty's treble. 909 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,920 I think 50 LB cure would have been a much better program had 910 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,920 Harry C been there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, There we are. 911 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,960 Even series 10, which is only 6 shows, Series 10 is quite strong 912 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:29,120 I think because you've got the Silver Dub Loons, you've got A 913 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,600 Christmas Carol which is brilliant I think. 914 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,640 Yes. And even even the Last Smoking 915 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,200 Sea game, which is very dear to my heart. 916 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:45,560 It's the humans become very black by I, I, I think Browl is 917 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,440 probably the second best producer after Peter Eaton, and 918 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,240 probably as a producer, probably a bit ahead of Dennis Maine 919 00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:56,120 Wilson, although I'll still defend Dennis Maine Wilson as 920 00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,200 more important. OK, yeah, yeah, OK. 921 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,600 And I've got next George Chisholm. 922 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,240 He. Doesn't have a lot to do, does 923 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:08,920 he? No, he doesn't. 924 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,320 But he's he's also a key member of the orchestra. 925 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,400 Yes. But but I, I I think of him, you 926 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,480 know, in terms of he always will play a a Scottish character. 927 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:25,040 I think of him from that which game show was Oh, Wings over 928 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:31,760 Dagenham, where he's he's sea goons assistant in building an 929 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,920 aeroplane. He he just brings something, 930 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,840 it's a different, it's a totally different voice. 931 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,560 And he he just brings us a slightly different energy. 932 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,720 And also I think he's in the string robberies, isn't he? 933 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,560 Whenever. Yeah, whenever they need a 934 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,400 Scottish character. Scottish character. 935 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,800 He comes in if Sellers is too busy doing other parts, isn't 936 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,720 it? Yeah, I think my trouble with 937 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,680 George Chisholm, I remember him with the black and white 938 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,880 minstrels and I can still see the striped shirt, the beret and 939 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:04,360 the little moustache playing the trombone. 940 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,760 So I have memories of George Chisholm later. 941 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,080 Yeah, I can't. I find it hard to divorce that 942 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,280 from George Chisholm. And. 943 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,080 And. OK, fair enough. 944 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:25,360 Well, finally on on the list, we have a female Yeah in the in the 945 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,040 shape of Charlotte Mitchell. It had to be heard, isn't it? 946 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,480 Yeah. Yeah. 947 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,320 It's it's sad that there. I think it's just a hangover 948 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,080 from the army and also the way of life that women were 949 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:42,160 something stay at home and cook with dinner, but also a 950 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,680 reflection of army life that women just weren't there. 951 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,760 You know, even in Cuba, very few women, series of very few women 952 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,920 there. It's just mine still stuck in 953 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,440 World War 2. And it was a totally male 954 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,280 situation, wasn't it? Yeah. 955 00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,680 Yeah. I like Charlotte Mitchell. 956 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,480 I thinking he banned it a show before. 957 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,320 She's excellent. I prefer her in Montmartre. 958 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,600 I like your mom Martra, as well. I have to say yes. 959 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,800 Yeah, and it's a shame because there was what? 960 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,360 What show was it from? Series 80, African incident, 961 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,720 which which was the Bridge on the River Kwai. 962 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:28,000 Yeah, parody. And they had some Cecile Chevro 963 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:33,040 as the female guest star in that, who doesn't have a lot to 964 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,480 do. But one wonders why they didn't 965 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,320 tap up Charlotte Mitchell to come back and do that. 966 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:45,160 Didn't the story go that she was there because Peter Sellers was 967 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,000 rather keen on her? Because. 968 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:53,360 By then the the fear Lauren somewhat of an e-mail not to you 969 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:59,440 Princess Harder someone invent his ardor on. 970 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,600 I believe Hattie Jakes was in one of the early series wasn't. 971 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,840 She, oh, she was in Archie and Goonland. 972 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,880 Was that the one she was in? I remember there were four women 973 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,960 or something in the in the Gucci. 974 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,240 Is that right? Ever. 975 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,800 Yes. So there's Charlotte Mitchell, 976 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:24,840 there's Cecile Chevro, there's Elizabeth Webb in Cinderella, 977 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,960 which was like a panto they did in Series 3, I think. 978 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,160 OK. And there was some, there was 979 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,200 someone else that we're going to come back to as well. 980 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,240 So I'll just stick a pin in that. 981 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:46,640 But yeah, so next on my list, and you might wonder, well, this 982 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,160 is that's that's a curious choice, but I've got Dick Henry. 983 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,000 No, I can. I can see why. 984 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,040 I think he was always a standing goon, wasn't it? 985 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,160 Especially not particularly Not especially coming in because he 986 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,840 stood in for Spike Milligan and him and Graham Stark 987 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,920 alternating. Yeah, they did. 988 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:10,160 And he was, in the case of the Lucky Knees battle or Yes. 989 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,680 And he was in pink Obo. Was he certainly in? 990 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:20,240 He was in Spa. Was he in pink Obo? 991 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,680 I don't. Think he was no, he was in 992 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,320 obviously the 50 LB cure like we said. 993 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,240 So I think there's just. £50 cure Wasn't it Kenneth's Corner? 994 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,320 Oh, was it Kenneth Connor? Yeah, it was. 995 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,160 I'll tell you, I know because I said Dick Henry, like the first 996 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,280 time we spoken tonight, wasn't it was Kenneth Connor. 997 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,000 So now you right, You put me right. 998 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,920 You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, 999 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,080 you're right. Good God. 1000 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:50,280 OK now so post Series 3 Emery's only in one show which is the 1001 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,200 first episode of Series 8 Spawn. Gentlemen, silence. 1002 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,720 Silence when we hear this recording of a spawn William 1003 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:30,280 play the record. So that's a spot. 1004 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,120 Now we know what we're looking for. 1005 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,480 Action. But of course, yes, he's in the 1006 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,320 Muckinese battle horn, which is which is the most successful? 1007 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:46,960 I would say the most successful example of goon humor 1008 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,480 transferred to the I. Agree. 1009 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,400 But oh missus Harry Seagull, yes it does. 1010 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,880 It does. Next, I've got Dennis Maine, 1011 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,040 Wilson discussed. I've got Roy Spear down as well 1012 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:08,200 after Dennis again, because he was the he was the producer who 1013 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,240 gave more or less gave Peter Sellers his big break, wasn't 1014 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,280 he? So although Sellers would have 1015 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,680 probably made it even without his help. 1016 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:24,480 One of the things, there's a lot about Peter Sellers personality 1017 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,320 which is not very pleasant, but one thing that I really admire 1018 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:33,480 him for is he was on his way up at the BBC and yet he hitched 1019 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:39,480 his his wagon to the Goon Show was totally untried and could 1020 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,320 have gone completely wrong. And yet no, these are my guys. 1021 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,720 I want to stay with them. It's it's the thing I admire 1022 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,480 most about Peter Sellers, I have to say about talent. 1023 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,920 Yes, that is obvious. But you know, he actually could 1024 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,480 have just ignored them and carried on doing what he was 1025 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,480 doing and made a good name for himself as a comedy, as a radio 1026 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,680 voice actor. And he said no, I'm going to 1027 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:11,400 stay with the goons. Yeah, OK, so but but Roy Spear, 1028 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,440 of course, you know, he he he stepped in and produced some 1029 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,360 episodes of Series 8 as well. Yeah. 1030 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,960 Next, next I've got Graham Stark. 1031 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,080 Again mainly based on the fact like you said before he he and 1032 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,000 Henry alternated weeks when Spike was. 1033 01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,640 Ill and he was in pinkobo wasn't. 1034 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,680 He was in pink pinkobo as well, and he was in down among the 1035 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,280 segment, of course, as was Andrew. 1036 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:44,480 Timothy forgot to mention. Yes, playing like a spiff kind 1037 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,560 of character. Yeah. 1038 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,120 So after Graham Stark, I've got Kenneth Connor. 1039 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:55,800 Again, I understand that. Yeah, I like Kenneth Connor. 1040 01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,440 He was a very good, another very good voice actor. 1041 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,800 You know, that's a radio you had to be. 1042 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,520 Peter Sellers was definitely the best. 1043 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,400 But Kenneth Connor did a lot of voice rate. 1044 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,240 He did a lot of work on the radio doing various voices. 1045 01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:17,760 He didn't just do coordinate, you know, he got a lot more to 1046 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,240 him than that has to be said. And I think in pink oboe he's 1047 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:26,640 rather good. He's all right and I I do like 1048 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:31,760 him in the Carry On films, although possibly I think Carry 1049 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:40,480 On Abroad is his finest moment. He's early Monsieur Alphonse, 1050 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,360 but before he got before it got really cartoony. 1051 01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:49,120 I think his first appearance as Monsieur Alphonse in Lowalo is 1052 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:54,360 remarkable just in terms of comic timing, and I absolutely 1053 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:59,360 adore the character he played in that episode of Blackadder the 1054 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:05,600 Third where he's one of the two actors advising the Prince on 1055 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:10,680 how to project himself and I I absolutely he plays alongside 1056 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,200 Hugh Paddock. Oh well, yes, again, a class 1057 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:19,000 actor, yes. It's a shame he got stereotyped 1058 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,400 with the Carry On films because he was a versatile actor. 1059 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,560 And yeah, I can see what you've got him in as one of the people 1060 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,640 in in the gun show because he because I thought he's very good 1061 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,880 as so mincing. Was it something? 1062 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,520 OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. 1063 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,840 And after Kenneth, on my list is Charles Hilton. 1064 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,760 But again, was he? He was just the kind of a relief 1065 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,960 producer for the goonship, wasn't he? 1066 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,680 He wasn't. He he was a a good producer. 1067 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,360 Yes. A lot of other things apart from 1068 01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,520 just comedy and so on. So a safe pair of hands I think 1069 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,920 is the way you describe him. And then we've got I've, I've, 1070 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,760 I've, I've put John Entropus next. 1071 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,960 But thinking about it, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say John 1072 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:19,240 Entropus and Morris Wilcher equal because they both produced 1073 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,720 or Co wrote a couple of scripts for the Goon Show. 1074 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,160 Morris Wilcher with Larry Stevens, of course. 1075 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,440 And and it's just on the basis that they both had involvement 1076 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,760 in script writing duties on the Goon Show that I felt that they 1077 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,480 should they should be included. You're still with us, isn't he, 1078 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,040 John Entropus? John is, yes. 1079 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:48,440 Now there's a guest for you. I've tried, but he's he's at 1080 01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:53,720 he's at an age where I think he's, he's, he said everything 1081 01:07:53,720 --> 01:08:01,040 there is to say about the Goons. I've got, I've got Carol Carr 1082 01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:07,320 down next because she was in an episode of the Goons. 1083 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:13,880 I said before she was in the first goon version of Robin Hood 1084 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,880 was in the third series. Oh. 1085 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,479 She was in there last year, OK. And it was it was. 1086 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,680 It was billed as a Christmas pantomime and it was a 45 minute 1087 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,040 show and Dick Henry was in that and also Carol Carr. 1088 01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:31,680 And Carol Carr, of course, was the was the pretty much the one 1089 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,200 woman who wasn't a television Topper who was in down among the 1090 01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:40,760 Zeppelin as well. So on that basis I include. 1091 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,520 Her you've gone for everyone ever involved in the kids show. 1092 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,240 Wow, we're getting to. We're getting to the end, folks. 1093 01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,160 You'll be glad to hear because I've got I've got three, I've 1094 01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,000 got 3 left. I'm going to include Poggy 1095 01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:04,520 Poggson, the saxophonist, because he he well, for example, 1096 01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,720 in the episode Farog, he actually gets a credit in the 1097 01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,200 script. He is in the cast list. 1098 01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:17,640 Farog is listed as a cast member and and Poggson plays Farog 1099 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,359 because he plays that distinctive music in in that 1100 01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:26,240 show. So I I'm including him on that 1101 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:31,560 very flimsy basis. OK, I'm also including Jack 1102 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:36,960 Train for his for his his memorable appearance in Shifting 1103 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,279 Sands, of course, but also he was in. 1104 01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:41,800 Pinko yeah, that's right. He basically replaced major 1105 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,359 bloodmark in that, didn't he? Over. 1106 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,359 But yeah, I like his shifting sands. 1107 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,479 Him and blood not together, yes. It's sad they never did any more 1108 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:54,840 because I thought they were wonderful. 1109 01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,720 Yeah. That was I, I. 1110 01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,160 I expect you're wondering why. You sent for me. 1111 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,080 He just slotted in, didn't he? Perfectly, he was. 1112 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,120 Absolutely. And final name on my list. 1113 01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,040 And it was kind of a head scratch of this because I wanted 1114 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,440 to get to 30, you know, just for neatness. 1115 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,320 And I suppose I could have had Dennis Price because he, you 1116 01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:27,360 know, he was in Robin Hood. But I've gone for Bernard Miles 1117 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,360 because of his because of the fact that he often gets 1118 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,320 referenced in the goons. And he was obviously in the rent 1119 01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,600 collectors, which was a brilliant episode. 1120 01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:43,640 And also the character, that of Swede, that Peter Sellers played 1121 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:50,080 on and off, the Cornish character, he was kind of 1122 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,000 influenced I think by. Bennett Yeah. 1123 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,000 So stop. Country accent. 1124 01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:00,240 Yeah, well, I'm surprised you didn't include any of the 1125 01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:01,880 backroom boys, to be quite honest. 1126 01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:07,600 You know, some spot effects and. Yeah, well, Ron Belshier and Ian 1127 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,000 Cook and people. Like JP Hamilton. 1128 01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,680 Yes, of course. Yeah, you're absolutely right. 1129 01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:18,120 And apologies. Yeah, there's quite a few 1130 01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,400 others, aren't there? It's very important to the Goon 1131 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,560 Show that you never hear about just because all they did was 1132 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:30,600 sound effects and what have you. Yes, we're all agreed that's one 1133 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,200 of the integral parts of the Goon Show. 1134 01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:33,960 That's what things that made it great. 1135 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,120 So there's a list for another time. 1136 01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:37,960 The Backroom Boy. You've made me. 1137 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:39,680 You've made me feel wretched now. 1138 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,480 I should have. I should have said, I should 1139 01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:43,280 have said had his number 16 on my list. 1140 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,520 All the, you know, all all those, all those guys, sort of. 1141 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,720 The backroom boys, Yes. Jointly the backroom boys, I 1142 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,000 mean. John Browell, of course, was, 1143 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,560 but then he he. Stepped out of that and 1144 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,160 promoted, yeah. Yeah, so that said. 1145 01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,360 So there we go. So I'm really surprised, Roger, 1146 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,200 because I thought we'd whip through that list and we'd be 1147 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,240 done with that. But we've actually been talking 1148 01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:11,680 for for for about an hour and 15 minutes. 1149 01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,880 Has any of the the names on my list my extended list? 1150 01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,640 Would you substitute any of those for your top? 1151 01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:24,160 I'd certainly add one of the two, and that's for certain. 1152 01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,480 As I said, as you were going along, yeah, I should have had 1153 01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:27,880 him on my list. Yeah, I should have had him on. 1154 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,200 But like I say, that's the point with list, isn't it? 1155 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,840 They're wrong. Yes, they're wrong. 1156 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,920 So there you go. Anything else you want to add to 1157 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,160 the general conversation? No, I think we've discussed the 1158 01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:47,280 important people in the gun show pretty much. 1159 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,560 I'd be interested to see if anyone comes up with any names 1160 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:55,200 that we've left out. And there's probably an obvious 1161 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,720 name that both you and I just haven't thought about, which is 1162 01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,320 everyone's screaming at us now, listening. 1163 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,920 It would be like if we'd forgotten to mention Peter 1164 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,640 Sellers or. Something we did meant just 1165 01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,360 ours, didn't we? We did, yes. 1166 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,320 OK, Roger. Well, many, Many thanks again. 1167 01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:19,240 You're always, always a reliable guest to have on because you can 1168 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,640 talk and talk and talk and talk. And you saved me having to do 1169 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:26,760 it. And we'll we'll no doubt meet 1170 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,760 again some some sunny day. I hope so. 1171 01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,320 Thank you, Tyler. I've thoroughly enjoyed it as 1172 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,720 expected. And you put some thoughts in my 1173 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,640 head as well, which we hadn't been there before. 1174 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,280 So a very enjoyable and fruitful discussion.