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The Macanese battlehorn was a 
very sad affair because this was

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an idea which we had which we 
discussed with some film makers 

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who then had indeed on our 
instruction thinking it was 

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already booked a studio to make 
this in. 

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At that time, Spike, who had 
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the script, had a mental 
relapse. 

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And mainly, truthfully, this was
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during the war, you see. 
And every time, every now and 

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again, it comes back under 
strain. 

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And he had one of these then, 
you see. 

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And so therefore there was 
nobody to work on the script. 

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And Larry Stevens, who is now 
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we got nothing except 10 pages. 
That's why the film opens well 

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and sort of fritters out to 
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Wasting no time, Superintendent 
Quilt and Sergeant Brown began A

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thorough search for clothes. 
Look, Sir, an impression of a 

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heel. 
Very clever, Brown, but we 

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haven't time for your 
impressions now. 

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Thank you, Sir. 
The. 

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Hey Chris, what connects neo 
noir sci-fi cult classic Blade 

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Runner with ambient techno 
twosome Orbital and Here Come 

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the Double Deckers, everyone's 
favorite TV show about some 

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young scallywags and a knackered
old London bus? 

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I don't know, Taylor, what 
connects all those things with 

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the with the double deckers and 
that. 

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The case of the Mercanese battle
horn, which is useful because 

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that's what we're here to talk 
about today. 

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That's what we were going to 
talk about. 

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What are the chances? 
The 1956 short film featuring 

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Peter Sellers, Spike Milligan 
and Mr. Dick Emery. 

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So shall I unpick that 
conundrum? 

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So yeah. 
Please do Yeah, I'm I'm a 

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fascinated with the double 
deckers, but. 

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Well, Co Co producer Michael 
Deeley, He produced Blade Runner

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and the Italian Job and The Deer
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So he had quite a that. 
Was these covered the 

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waterfront? 
Quite a career after this film. 

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This short film now Orbital. 
How the Dickens can Orbital have

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some connection with Macanese 
Battlehorn? 

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How could How could Orbital 
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the Macanese battlehorn Tyler 
avoid all. 

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Did you did you notice on the 
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case of the Mcanese battle horn?
Who was responsible for the 

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music? 
No, tell me. 

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It was Edwin Astley. 
And who's that? 

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Oh come on, you for the shadowy 
cabal of TV cream, You should 

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know Edwin Astley. 
He he he composed the theme for 

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the St. and Randall and Hopkirk 
deceased. 

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Oh. 
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mad film with a like an alien 
who arrives and goes to the pub,

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a devil girl from ours. 
Oh, right, OK. 

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He also did the theme to 
civilization. 

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Is there a theme to 
civilization? 

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Well, he was. 
I should say I've watched 

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Civilization a lot. 
Right. 

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It's a sort of a Prozac effect 
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So I watch Points of Tension and
it it's it never occurred to me 

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that it had its own music. 
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Maybe it was like incidental 
music or whatever. 

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I'm not sure but it's like Other
Jimmy that. 

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Does that mean there's a 
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tracks called Things like 
Kenneth Creeps across the room 

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looking sniffy in brackets 1 
Reprise. 

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They say Edwin Ashley, by the 
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Townsend. 
Oh God, I thought. 

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I was desperately hoping you 
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All right. 
His son-in-law was was Pete 

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Townsend. 
I shouldn't make any clips about

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that. 
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composed the theme to The Saint,
the TV Right program when 

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Orbital repurposed that tune for
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think in 1997, Yep, it went back
into the charts. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Orbital, of course, the the 
Doctor Who thing as well. 

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Yes, lots of props from friends 
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clip of the start was from Tomb 
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All right, OK. 
What was the last thing? 

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Oh, double. 
Here come the double deckers, 

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which I've never seen. 
I've never seen. 

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Is it? 
Is it any cop? 

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be honest. 
It's, it's, I remember having 

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watched a lot of clips. 
She was talking about the double

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deckers and the theme song, 
obviously. 

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But Linda Smith, do you remember
Linda Smith? 

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Yes, indeed, yes. 
Lovely Linda Smith much missed. 

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She used to. 
She used to. 

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She used to go on about the 
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shows, but Michael Deeley's Co 
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Horn, Harry Booth he created 
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1971. 
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Oh, I hope he retired, wealthy 
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He did not have quite as 
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Deeley, though. 
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It's funny though, isn't it? 
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and back, I suppose when there 
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lots of opportunities to nip 
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Yeah, so we're talking about the
the case of the Buckadees battle

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horn. 
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course, but not for. 
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long time. 
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about 30 odd years ago. 
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BBC Two or something. 
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way back in sort of the 80s, you
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know, if you recall, they used 
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lately 5:00 when they used to 
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and yeah, and things like that. 
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and occasionally down among the 
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in some summer, summer mornings.
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melee of those kind of films 
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Simon Simon or whoever. 
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first saw I'm, I didn't check. 
I should have done it. 

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I think it you remember that 
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4 in about 9192. 
Best sellers, yeah. 

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Best sellers or sellers, 
whatever it was. 

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What? 
Was best sellers. 

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Are you sure? 
I used to think that, well, 

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that's the joke. 
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they that that was one of the 
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season and I think that's when I
first saw it. 

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Yeah, well, that was that season
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of the sailors films that you 
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experienced before. 
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time I saw Heavens Above, but it
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like of the Creek and and the 
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Two way stretch. 
Two way stretch, two complete. 

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I think it was the first time I 
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Only two complete so because a 

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member of my Zeitling being 
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the sort of a little intro 
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documented me to go along with 
it do. 

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You remember yet to see her bum 
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that? 
No. 

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squint to see it, but you do see
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scandalous in 1962. 
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the time Maze Ettling was the 
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witches. 
The witches, Yeah. 

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Yeah, that's right. 
Which is great in that as well. 

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Yeah, it was just funny to see 
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It's a bit like Sylvia Sims we 
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export to yes to Queen Mum 
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playing the Queen Mum on Psycho 
Bitches. 

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OK, so this is a short film 
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Or does it? 
No, it doesn't know because 

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Harry's not in it. 
And and even that you know, down

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along the Z men. 
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actual Goon film because also 
Benton's in it, and also. 

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Yeah, but I think, and we're 
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I. 
Said Muckin. 

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His battle horns actually got 
some laughs in it. 

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It has got some laughs. 
I think it's the the most, it's 

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not a high bar. 
I think it's the most successful

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quote Goon film if if you're 
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which I think we have to because
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characters in it. 
Are you Jay Smith? 

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He's not Jay Smith Brown. 
He's not Jay Smith Brown. 

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That's not Brown. 
That's not Brown. 

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Where were you on the night of 
the Frozen team Pictures? 

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I will get the pictures. 
So the Adventures of Robin Hood,

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Chris, OK, well I want to go 
back to 1955. 

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September 1955 The Adventures of
Robin Hood begins. 

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Yes, let's go back, Let's go 
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Let's go back Who? 
Who composed the theme Train do 

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you think for the adventures of 
Oh my God? 

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Is this a quiz? 
Yeah. 

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Tell me. 
Edwin Astley, of course it is. 

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Yes. 
So he's involved with this, with

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this new extravaganza on 
commercial television. 

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OK. 
Yeah. 

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It begins. 
It begins in September 55. 

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It's got a load of American 
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American. 
Oh, yeah, yeah. 

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Well, that was the thing about 
the about the Robin Hood 

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division. 
Robin Hood was, it was one of 

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the, well, we, you know, ATV and
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quite happy to employ 
blacklisted writers. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
And and who? 

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Who then imbued the scripts with
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persecution? 
Yeah, so Harry Booth and Michael

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Deeley were were both working as
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Hood. 
Right. 

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And they wanted to make 
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to the Americans. 
Right. 

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OK. 
And Michael Deeley was a big fan

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of the Goon Show and he had this
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series with the Goons. 
OK. 

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And these would be, you know, 
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obviously if they're selling it 
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room for commercials. 
So Michael Deeley, he said, he 

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said that we're, we're the only 
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visual appeal of the goons to 
risk making it. 

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Even Peter Sellers was 
sceptical, right. 

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So yeah, it was, I say it was, 
it was the the the case of the 

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Mucky Knees battle horn was 
envisaged as just being the 

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first of of this television 
series. 

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Yeah. 
So, so it basically. 

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So effectively they were viewing
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Almost. 
Basically, yeah. 

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Wow, I wonder who they thought 
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Like Steve Ireland and that's 
about it. 

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Well, because there's there's a 
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in Battlehorn and I'm I'm 
thinking it probably if there 

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was a series, then obviously the
other characters would be 

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introduced as well along the 
way. 

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So what they did it was they 
were kind of they were kind of 

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moonlight. 
Harry Booth and Michael Deeley 

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were kind of moonlighting making
this series or making this, this

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pilot, if you want to call it 
that. 

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With the blessing, I suppose of 
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a lady called Hannah Weinstein, 
who was who was quite happy for 

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them to do this. 
And they used a lot of the of 

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the crew from Robin Hood to film
Battle Horn, they wrote. 

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That would explain why it looks 
better than don't. 

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The one was Edmund. 
They roped in Edwin Astley, as I

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say, and one of the guys who 
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Robin Hood called Joe Sterling 
or Joseph Sterling. 

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Yeah, the editor's sort of 
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person involved in the 
production, I think. 

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Well, he he comes on board to as
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They got together a budget, 
scraped together 4 1/2 grand OK,

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which is about 100 grand in 
today's. 

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Money. 
It's about two of sailors cars, 

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2 cars and a camera. 
Yeah, and and the director, Joe 

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Sterling, he he put in £1500 
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Oh God, I hope you won. 
Yeah, Sellers was paid £900. 

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Yikes. 
History does not relate how much

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Spike Milligan was paid. 
Something tells me all that 

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much, although it may not have 
been that much different because

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I guarantee you would have heard
about it. 

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Oh, that's true. 
And and it was filmed at Merton 

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Park Studios. 
The the famous studio over the 

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star. 
Were you aware much of or at all

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of Merton Park Studios? 
OK, well. 

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You couldn't move for God. 
Well, I, I only knew them as as 

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as I only knew it as the studio 
that produced this film, this 

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short film, right. 
And then I mentioned to Andrew 

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Pixley, friend of the show, that
we were going to be recording 

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Muckney's battle horn. 
And he said, oh, I love that. 

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He said, if it had become a 
series, I wonder if the Merchant

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Park crew would have realized 
that they were being sent up. 

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And I went, what do you mean? 
And he said, he said Merchant 

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Park Studios made dual purpose 
crime features which were used 

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as support items in British 
cinemas and for for television 

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use in the US. 
So they had form for sending 

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sort of low budget crime fodder.
If you like, cross the border 

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right that the mests begin to 
clear now, and why that's why 

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let's do the form that it did. 
So the most well known product, 

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if you like, that came out of 
Merton Park Studios was Scotland

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Yard, hosted by Edgar Lust 
Garden. 

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Oh yeah, and, and he said. 
So Battlehorn is effectively a 

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spoof of these sorts of dual 
purpose. 

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Right, right. 
Popcorns. 

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Right, Yeah. 
What were the exams going to 

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bring up about? 
It is that that's clear. 

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I mean, I didn't realise it was 
a spoof obviously on what Melton

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Parkins is a splendidly and 
joke, a superlative and joke. 

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But it's but you when you watch 
it, it's like when you start 

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with it, it's clearly a pastiche
of, you know, the Arsenal 

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stadium mystery or something, 
you know, and all these sort of,

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you know, dial, you know, any 
film that involves people flown 

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in White Hole 1212. 
Yes, yes, yeah, absolutely. 

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They got the script together. 
I'll come come to that in a 

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minute. 
They began shooting this the end

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of October 1955. 
It took five days to shoot. 

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Took five days. 
What did you do for the other 3?

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The thing is right, Peter 
Sellers. 

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Well, according to Roger Lewis, 
I won't hear a word against that

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man according. 
To Roger Lewis. 

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According to Roger Lewis, Peter 
Sellers had said that Spike had 

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had a mental episode during 
filming I. 

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Find that very hard to believe. 
Did he just find out how much 

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sellers was getting paid? 
Possibly. 

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And, and apparently Sellers was 
not impressed and blamed that 

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for some of what he perceived as
failings in the film. 

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OK. 
And years and years and years 

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later, Michael Deeley was asked 
about this and he denied it 

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completely. 
He said. 

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He said he was there every day. 
It was only a five day shoot. 

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How could he have been, you 
know, not there? 

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And he said if seller said that,
then it was totally made-up. 

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Inconceivable. 
Imagine beer sellers blaming the

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failure of a project on somebody
else. 

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Yes, very Trumpian in that way. 
So if. 

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It was if it was Trump and he'd 
go and bomb Gainsborough studio.

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Are you the buddy now? 
Are you? 

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Oh, no. 
I'm Superintendent Quilt of 

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Scotland Guard. 
Delighted to meet you. 

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My name's Nadia. 
I'm a curator here. 

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How do you do? 
How do you do? 

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Oh, my God. 
Oh, God. 

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Hello. 
Hello. 

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I thought we just met. 
So we've got paper sellers, 

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we've got Spike Milligan. 
Yep. 

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Why haven't we got Harry? 
Michael Deeley was asked at the 

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time. 
Because Picture Goer magazine 

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were allowed to take some 
photographs on set during the 

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filming and interview the stars.
You know, and I think the 

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reporter asked Michael Deeley 
why Harry Secam wasn't in it, 

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and he said he said he's not 
necessary to the film. 

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I do not think that it would 
affect its popularity. 

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Oh, so he said no. 
Wow, now he was. 

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Busy getting £200 a week and 
pick a delay here. 

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Right. 
Well, can you remember who Harry

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Secom's agent was at the time 
off the top of your head? 

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Harry Secom's agent then? 
Oh God, it would have been 

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probably Leslie Tate. 
Jimmy Grafton, of course. 

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Suddenly, of course, it would 
all have been Major Grafton 

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would have been. 
Yeah, you've been. 

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I'm surprised. 
The film in the upstairs attic. 

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Well, I think I've got Jimmy 
Grafton was asked about at the 

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time was asked about why Harry's
not in this. 

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Right, right. 
And he got a bit chippy, he 

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said. 
It has never been suggested that

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Harry should be in this film. 
Even if it had, I'm not sure he 

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would have done it. 
The goons originated on radio 

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and I feel that they are 4 
dimensional, not restricted by 

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time or space. 
It's difficult to see how they 

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could be filmed successfully. 
Even if this film is a success, 

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Harry will not be in the TV 
series. 

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He has a future in TV and films,
but it is as a separate 

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individual and in his own right,
not as a goon. 

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And in brackets. 
And if he's not getting more 

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than £900 for it, you can fuck 
off. 

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Yes, I think it's probably the 
unspoken. 

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Yeah, yes. 
Imagine, I mean, of the of the 

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three of them, Seeker was the 
one I would have thought at 

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night in 1956, who would be who 
would have been genuinely like 

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really busy during the week. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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He'd have been all over the 
place, given up a week to, to 

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film that for, for the, you 
know, and you'd probably booked 

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two year in advance and all that
sort of thing. 

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Well, he was working six days a 
week, in fact, seven days a 

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week, and sometimes because he. 
Yeah, I've been there, been 

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there on the Humber, Bradford, 
Monday to Friday. 

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Yeah, and she was. 
At the Croydon Empire, then at 

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the, then at the the Paris 
cinema or whatever on the in 

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Camden on the on the Sunday. 
Yeah, you know what I mean. 

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Back home after that, you know. 
Go ahead and nip back to the 

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Mumbles. 
Late dinner Sunday evening and 

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then back, you know, back up 
Monday morning. 

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I mean, and you've got to find 
out and he's got a lot of eating

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as well. 
Why would you want to? 

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Why would you want to to 
interrupt all that just so that 

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you can make for yourselves 
look. 

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Good. 
But see, there's all that. 

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There's all that. 
Tension. 

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Tension amongst the team. 
I'm reading that that that 

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Grafton was maybe influencing 
Seekum's decision a bit there. 

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Oh, I'm sure, yeah. 
Absolutely, and it might go some

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way towards explaining why Harry
wasn't in the Fred shows a few 

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months later. 
Because this this goes out 

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January. 
It's released January 1956, so 

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it's 70 years old this year. 
Yeah, no, absolutely. 

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But it's quite, in a way, it's 
quite a cute move really, 

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because it's fighting to be part
of the team on radio. 

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But the decision that clearly 
had been made by the Major that 

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no, no, Hardy when he's on 
television is going to be his 

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own man because that's how he's 
going to survive. 

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That's how he's going to build 
this thing, which clearly 

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worked. 
Quite. 

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A huge move by the by the major,
I would suggest. 

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I've just found a a quote here 
from Milligan. 

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I'm not sure where I picked this
up from, but it wasn't scribbled

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down on my notes. 
Is that like he the BBC? 

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He said it's a question of 
agents. 

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This is what Spike said outside 
our goon world where each of us 

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making our own show business way
for goon humour does not rely on

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any individual. 
So it's it's the fact he said 

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it's a question of agents. 
I wonder if that's a dig it at 

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Grafton. 
Maybe. 

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So Sellers had recommended to 
Deeley, Michael Deeley, that 

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Larry Stevens would write the 
script. 

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Sure. 
Which Larry did, and Deeley was 

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delighted with it, largely, and 
although he and Harry Booth 

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added a bit and messed it up 
with it a bit, I believe it's 

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also rumoured that Larry makes 
an uncredited appearance in the 

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film. 
You know that bit where you've 

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got London at night, fog bound, 
and you've got a man and a woman

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embracing in the fog and a 
policeman asks them for 

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directions? 
He plays the wall. 

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The rumour is that Larry is the 
the man. 

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Oh, that's. 
Fun. 

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I'd like to think it. 
Let's just let's just go with 

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that. 
With nightfall, the weather took

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a turn for the worst. 
But even in the darkest, 

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buggiest street, London's 
indomitable police searched on, 

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stopping late wayfarers and 
ruthlessly questioning them. 

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Hey, hey, you 2? 
Yes. 

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Can you tell me the way back to 
the police station just over 

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there? 
Thank you, darling. 

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How romantic we must be near the
river. 

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So that's good. 
So if if that is the case, then 

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you've got Sellers Milligan and 
Larry Stevens, but no Harry, no 

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Harry. 
But we do have Dick Emery. 

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And. 
And you and I have both spoken 

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to. 
Dixon, Nick. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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What cut is it that long ago? 
Yeah. 

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Wonderful. 
Yeah. 

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What a great guy. 
What a fun chart that was. 

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It was great. 
And as I was recounted to 

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moments ago, I found myself 
watching instead of watching 

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what was supposed. 
So it'd be the university again.

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Shall I read what I meant to 
read? 

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No, I'm just read the looney. 
No, I, I I watched the the many 

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faces of the Camry and because 
this is gets a little, you know,

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it's sort of part of that early 
days sequence, you know, with 

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like Michael Bentine and square 
world and all that sort of 

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thing, all sort of thing. 
And Oh well, well, well, what a 

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fun thing it is just to watch 
Dick Emery stuff again whenever 

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you get the chance. 
It's great. 

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What tonic? 
We covered. 

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Oh you are awful. 
Yeah, I know. 

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I love that film. 
You know, I was a bit sniffy 

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about it the first, I think the 
first time I saw it because I, I

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wasn't really in a tune. 
Because one of the few one of 

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the few TV scheduling facts that
I keep close to my heart is it 

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was made to be shown on the 
night of the Hungerford 

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massacre. 
Oh God, really? 

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Not that the Hungerford massacre
was in the schedules, but but 

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that particular night it was 
shown because the film that was 

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supposed to be on was Nevada 
Smith, which is like a shoot 

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them up cowboy, you know, like 
waste them. 

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And they pulled that presumably 
because it's about shooting a 

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lot of people and they put on 
you, you are awful, which is 

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about killing a lot of people, 
blowing a blow up people 

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actually in some urban streets 
and. 

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Violating women. 
Which is the first time I saw 

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it. 
There was a bit foxed by it. 

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I came years later. 
I came to absolutely adore it. 

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00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,840
There's so much great stuff in 
it. 

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Let's see where he he actually 
he ruins a woman's wedding day 

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by cutting up the back of her 
dress. 

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That's the answer. 
Which that's the happiest meant 

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to be the happiest day of your 
life. 

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As the rich fuck them. 
The the, the there's the I love,

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00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,880
but there's so many. 
It's the little moments in it 

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that are great. 
Like, you know, like when people

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are failing into the tent 
because it's a society thing. 

442
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,000
Yes. 
And they're going Tattler, Yeah,

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you know, And then the next one 
comes and says, you know, you 

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know, the lead or whatever. 
And then he and then he walks 

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in, walks campus. 
He just holds up a like a 

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parking second. 
Someone says exchange your mark.

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Exchange your mark, yeah. 
My favorite little bit is when 

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he goes to get the ACT, he goes 
to get the body he thinks he's 

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getting. 
Rodney Fraser's body and dress 

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is completely unnecessarily as a
posh woman in the first Yes. 

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And when he parks the van, 
somebody drives too close to him

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and he's got his all the outfit 
on and he says why? 

453
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,080
I've come back all day. 
Why don't you? 

454
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,040
Very Danny LaRue, that. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

455
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,640
And the traffic warden, Lashley,
comes up to him and she's he 

456
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,000
doesn't. 
Says some of them want nothing, 

457
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,720
don't they? 
I'm allowed 20 minutes from 

458
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,760
building. 
That's a good that. 

459
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,080
Makes me laugh. 
That's a great scene because 

460
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,680
he's the funeral director is 
Brian Alton, Neil's dad from the

461
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,600
Young Ones? 
Yeah, no, absolutely. 

462
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,640
Yeah, he's great in that as 
well. 

463
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,920
That lousy council job how to be
charging your rent. 

464
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,040
This is always sorry I was going
to be scuba diving. 

465
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,720
It's been a wonderful season for
Scubas. 

466
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,880
So yeah, it's and actually when 
I watched that again, not we got

467
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:20,680
awful, but I I I had forgotten 
how early that kind of appears 

468
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,320
in it because he's almost like 
the second season or something 

469
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:27,240
when. 
He's he's nodule the nodule the 

470
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,440
the. 
Like the curator or. 

471
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,880
Something curator? 
Yes. 

472
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,840
Yes. 
He's perfect in this, I think. 

473
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,360
I think this is perfect casting 
because he he, he, he doesn't 

474
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,920
really, OK. 
He he was a a honorary goon 

475
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,880
because he he appeared in, Yeah,
a number of shows during the 

476
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,200
third series when Spike was ill.
And again, he was in the first 

477
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,400
episode of series 8 when Harry 
was ill. 

478
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,520
And he doesn't really fit. 
I don't feel in in that show 

479
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,040
anyway. 
No, I don't think he quite works

480
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,600
as not Neddy. 
No. 

481
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,000
It seems a bit weird to be 
better just not to have Eddie. 

482
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,920
The thing is though, this is a a
bullet dodged. 

483
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,160
In series 3 he would alternate 
Dick Emery every every other 

484
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,040
week with Graham Stark and and 
thank God that it wasn't Graham 

485
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,560
Stark as the as the the third 
build in this or you'd. 

486
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,960
Have been there somewhere, 
probably inside the horn. 

487
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,800
Do you know for symmetry, it 
should have been Tony Hancock 

488
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,760
standing in for Harry, shouldn't
it? 

489
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,600
Oh, yeah, no, that would have 
been a great. 

490
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,680
Yeah, yeah. 
But no, Emery, I was thinking 

491
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,240
about this because he can play 
so many characters as you've, as

492
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,160
we've just discussed, whereas 
Harry was very limited in his in

493
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,000
his characters. 
Yeah, he just did. 

494
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,680
He just played himself. 
Yeah, but that's not an issue on

495
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,640
the radio because the other two 
can slip in and out of of other 

496
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,480
voices on radio. 
Well, it's a benefit on radio 

497
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,600
because it anchors the action. 
Yes, you must have a fixed point

498
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,600
for everybody to revolve around,
otherwise you just got lost. 

499
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,480
So it's complicated enough. 
Yeah, and but in this film, 

500
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,720
Emery is playing 3 or 4 very 
distinct characters. 

501
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,480
Yeah. 
It's it's not like if it was 

502
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,360
Harry, it would be Harry wearing
a different wig. 

503
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,520
Yeah, or whatever, but I had to 
make a joke of him being still 

504
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,200
Harry. 
Yeah, you know, the the bit 

505
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,200
where he, the, the little 
interlude halfway through where 

506
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,240
you're introduced to Maurice, 
Maurice Punk. 

507
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,960
I am the best in London. 
You wouldn't know that was Dick 

508
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,400
Emery. 
He's got no false nose. 

509
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,640
I know it's such a it's such a 
cliche to say all sailors 

510
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,920
disappeared into his, into his 
characters. 

511
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,400
There's no real sailors, but 
Emily does it absolutely just as

512
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,760
well. 
He somehow manages to almost 

513
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,440
physically change, although it 
not, I mean, I'm not saying that

514
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,760
he was quite the same level. 
So because I don't think that's 

515
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,640
true. 
But you know, he wasn't nothing.

516
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,480
He was great. 
He was great at it. 

517
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,840
So he's not Jill the curator. 
He's also the old the old man 

518
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,320
who gets clubbed on the head. 
Yeah, who's sort of basically a 

519
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,920
sort of lamp Wick. 
Lamp Wick stroke William make 

520
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,240
Cobblers. 
Yeah, and it's, and it's exactly

521
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,840
the same lines from a goon show 
that. 

522
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,040
Where he's. 
Being walloped on the head, 

523
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:46,680
yeah. 
You know, yeah, yeah. 

524
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,200
This is Mr. Crimp for Jennifer, 
Sir. 

525
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,920
Mr. Crimp, what do you like to 
tell us your story? 

526
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,960
Yeah, sure. 
Well, I was proceeding in an 

527
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,600
orderly manner towards the main 
gate last night in order to lock

528
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,720
up, when suddenly somebody jumps
out and wallops me on the head. 

529
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,640
Yes, Sir, Wallop, wallop, wallop
on the head. 

530
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680
I turn sound and wallop, wallop,
wallop again. 

531
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,320
Hell no, it goes and wallop, 
wallop, wallop on the head 

532
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,920
again. 
Then just as I'm trying to get 

533
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,960
up. 
Wallop, wallop, wallop on your 

534
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,920
head. 
Yes, Sir. 

535
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,520
Wallop, wallop, wallop. 
Tell me, Mr. Crimp, did you 

536
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,400
notice anything peculiar about 
these men? 

537
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,640
Yeah, sure. 
What? 

538
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,880
I kept on walloping behind me. 
Yeah. 

539
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,840
You mentioned the the director, 
I had said about the editor. 

540
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,480
I got a wee bit confused because
the director was an editor 

541
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,760
effectively. 
Yes. 

542
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,960
That's that. 
That was kind of. 

543
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,440
Joe Joe Sterling. 
Yeah, he. 

544
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Was the guy. 
And he was an editor on, like, 

545
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,400
proper Things. 
You know, I love Taylor. 

546
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,000
Yeah. 
And obviously he did a Square 

547
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,600
World with Banting, so that's 
right. 

548
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,640
And the milieu, Oh, he did a 
series called Mr. Pastries Pet 

549
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,880
Shop, which actually just makes 
me angry thinking about it, that

550
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,280
prick. 
But yeah, you know, I mean, he 

551
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,640
was, he was clearly, you know, a
professional man. 

552
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,760
A useful pair of hands. 
Yeah. 

553
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,960
So he's a perfect, you know, 
like that it's clear that all 

554
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,480
the people involved in the 
technical sense are all 

555
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,280
professional. 
I would say that probably what 

556
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,440
you may call Journeyman. 
Yeah, yeah. 

557
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:33,040
And, and but having him as the 
director, I think it's 

558
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,000
interesting, but especially what
you see about it. 

559
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720
You know, possibly the first 
part you see of a series because

560
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,280
it's short, like a television 
show. 

561
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,960
There's nothing cinematic about 
it. 

562
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,160
Oh, no, it's it's effect. 
You know, you can know that. 

563
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,440
You said that. 
That's why I thought it makes it

564
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,280
explains because I thought when 
I was watching that again, I 

565
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,600
don't really. 
I'm not one of these stun yachts

566
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,120
who like reads film jars and 
things and thinks you're not 

567
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,800
sure about the cosmic quality of
it. 

568
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:06,040
But the it's it's, you know, 
most of the wide shots and very 

569
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,760
televisual. 
And I thought, well, I wonder, 

570
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,560
you know, wonder why that is. 
But that explains it because it 

571
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,560
was ATV show basically. 
Yeah, yeah. 

572
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,000
He wasn't Joe Sterling, Joseph 
Sterling. 

573
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,000
He was not impressed by Sellers 
and Milligan, apparently because

574
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,520
he because they improvised quite
a bit. 

575
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,199
Well, that's what you see about 
the script. 

576
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,280
I mean, there's no obviously 
Larry Stevens and million work 

577
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,679
together and all that, but it's 
really obvious. 

578
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,719
That's a lot of it is Milligan. 
Oh yeah. 

579
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:37,159
Like right from the start, you 
know, the, you know, there's 

580
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:38,560
depression of a heel and all 
that sort. 

581
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:44,159
Of stuff. 
The with the car pulls up. 

582
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,080
And silently, he's going. 
You know, like you're supposed 

583
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,440
to stop. 
That and then he opens the boat 

584
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,679
and lets Milligan out. 
Otherwise, Milligan out, he's 

585
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,840
probably had been there since 
the night before. 

586
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:03,960
Probably his own car. 
Graham starts in the glove box, 

587
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,480
but the. 
Milligan's the boat with a bit 

588
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,920
of chalk. 
Yeah, he's in there with the 

589
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,080
chalk. 
But the other thing that that 

590
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,720
strikes you, I think from this 
from the start, it wouldn't have

591
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:19,640
been apparent at the time. 
Of course is is kind of 

592
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,120
hopefully formed. 
Milligan is you know, from from 

593
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,920
how he was from that point on. 
He's acting like Milligan from 

594
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,120
the start where Sailors doesn't 
quite you know, he he's he's 

595
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,240
trying to be the character. 
I think it comes across that 

596
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:40,560
he's is somehow a little bit 
less comfortable, whereas 

597
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Milligan is like straight and 
looking statues in the face with

598
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,480
his hat over his eyes and things
and he's just Milligan. 

599
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,000
And the whole thing with the 
magnifying glass that he does. 

600
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,920
Oh, yeah, yeah. 
And actually, the bet that makes

601
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,760
me laugh the most, I don't know 
why. 

602
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,720
At the end, whether in the club,
sort of, and they start the 

603
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,760
swordfight. 
Sort of, yeah. 

604
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,040
When when Milligan jumps in, you
hear him shout Excalibur. 

605
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:13,520
I don't know why that makes me 
laugh so much, but I mean, 

606
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,600
everybody gets their everybody 
gets their chance to do their to

607
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,600
do their thing. 
Obviously Sellers gets his 

608
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,720
Gervais fruit. 
The assistant commissioner. 

609
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,200
Oh, I don't know, though. 
It sort of reminds me of the, 

610
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,160
you know, that I can't remember 
what it's called, you know, the 

611
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:37,200
decadence ball and Futurama that
just lies back and it's 

612
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,680
constantly being fed grapes. 
Well, it's it's Dick. 

613
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,440
It's Dick Dick. 
It's it's grip pipe thin. 

614
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,000
The voice, largely. 
But yeah. 

615
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,960
Oh yeah. 
It's it's, yeah, you know, these

616
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,200
rumours that persisted, that 
grip pipe thin was gay. 

617
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,840
So it's, it's, I suppose it's 
putting that on screen, isn't 

618
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:54,520
it? 
To a degree. 

619
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,960
Yeah, well, you know, with the, 
with the silk. 

620
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,400
Yeah. 
And the, the, the cuddled blood.

621
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,560
No, absolutely no. 
It's kind of difficult to 

622
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,320
describe. 
And in a way, and for some 

623
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,760
reason in my mind, I always twin
it with the the running, Jumping

624
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,680
and standing still film. 
Yeah. 

625
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,400
Because I think I must have seen
them roughly about the same 

626
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,040
time. 
It might even have been one 

627
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,000
after the other in some sort of,
you know, season or. 

628
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,560
Season it might be the best 
sellers or salads best the way. 

629
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,360
Yeah, yeah. 
But it was basically Alice 

630
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,720
Cheese. 
Yeah. 

631
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:38,480
So the the they're obviously 2 
very different, obviously 2 very

632
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,960
different things. 
Yeah. 

633
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,960
But I don't know what, I don't 
know what I was going. 

634
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,080
To say, well you know what, just
while you're collecting your 

635
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,080
thoughts, I just thought of 
something Running, jumping in, 

636
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,040
standing still. 
Film was filmed over 2 Sundays. 

637
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:57,960
Yeah, Spike was there the first 
week and then he went off to 

638
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,400
Australia the second week. 
So he was only there for one of 

639
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,360
the two days, right. 
So I'm wondering whether Sellers

640
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,680
conflated that, you know, saying
Spike. 

641
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,840
Oh, that's the thought. 
Oh, we may have. 

642
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,760
We may have uncovered something 
there. 

643
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,760
Maybe, yeah, because that would 
explain a lot. 

644
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:22,280
You can imagine in the sailors 
febrile imagination conflating 

645
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,840
all these things. 
Oh yes, many years later. 

646
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,480
He films like he did. 
What, He's talking to Barry Tuck

647
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,120
in 1971 or whatever? 
You know absolutely or he's 

648
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,960
explaining is you know someone 
made you know jackpot or 

649
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,480
something how everybody else is 
dead. 

650
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,040
Oh yeah, because you remember. 
You remember that interview he 

651
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,560
did for I think it was Steve 
Allen in? 

652
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:42,880
Fact. 
Yeah. 

653
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,520
He told Steve Allen that that 
Milligan had committed suicide. 

654
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,800
Yeah. 
Well, because Steve Allen has 

655
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,920
been too effusive for. 
I don't, I know he's dead. 

656
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,200
And Steve, you can see Steve 
Allen going. 

657
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,200
Oh, that's terrible. 
I just saw him. 

658
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,880
The other thing, this guy's 
nuts. 

659
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,440
But anyway, sorry, the point I 
was, I was sort of grouping for 

660
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:16,720
is that all of these sort of a 
goon eater things, you can see 

661
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,720
everybody involved trying to 
find a way to visualize what 

662
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:26,240
they do. 
They try to be doing their 

663
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,120
Congress. 
Edmond, let's not talk about 

664
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,840
that. 
No, they, they do this because 

665
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,240
somebody else, as you've 
explained very well has said, 

666
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,600
oh, this is how this might work.
And then, you know, the running,

667
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,760
jumping and standing film, it's 
court of everybody's. 

668
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,400
Oh, it was just about fun and 
all that. 

669
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,280
But nobody spends that amount of
time doing something that's just

670
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,320
going to be a bit of fun. 
And they certainly are good 

671
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,880
enough about it afterwards. 
But who was responsible for it? 

672
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:55,080
But the what's interesting in 
hindsight is watching them 

673
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,520
trying to develop a visual 
persona. 

674
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,000
I know clearly, you know, 
Sellers is the one that made 

675
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,800
the. 
Eventually made the biggest 

676
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,920
impact with it in a way is 
ironic because Milligan would 

677
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,120
you would think would be much 
more visual, whereas you would 

678
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,000
think at the start that sellers 
would be much more an audio. 

679
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,960
Performance. 
Absolutely. 

680
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,800
But you. 
Know that's the way it goes and 

681
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,600
Harry doesn't give a shit 
because he's a way opening. 

682
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,480
Supermarkets. 
He said we opened a set of 

683
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,200
varieties. 
He could kill it. 

684
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,640
Well, so I said about the fact 
that they, the idea was that 

685
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,160
they would make this would be a 
pilot for a series and they 

686
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,760
would sell it to the American 
networks. 

687
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,520
OK. 
Would you believe it wasn't 

688
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,720
taken up by an American 
networks? 

689
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:57,400
What? 
Who did they think was going to 

690
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,840
buy it? 
Well. 

691
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,760
I just don't get it because even
if you're introducing the 

692
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,600
characters as they go without 
the sort of grounding in the 

693
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:16,560
goons radio show, you can 
imagine people saying, I don't 

694
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,440
understand why this is supposed 
to be anything. 

695
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:25,880
You know what I mean? 
So and, and as we know, it's 

696
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,080
already difficult for for people
from over here to do well over 

697
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,520
there. 
Now, yeah, Michael Daly said he 

698
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,480
wrote about this in his 
autobiography years later. 

699
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,600
And he said that because of, you
know, they've got American 

700
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,560
writers working on Robin Hood, 
who knew, Who knew people in the

701
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,480
States, you know, big execs and 
whatnot. 

702
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,600
Anyway, he got a load of 
American TV execs into a room 

703
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,200
and he screened the the 25 
minutes or so of muck and his 

704
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,600
battle horn and everyone's was 
was Stony faced, shall we say? 

705
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,040
OK, not a not a single titter 
rang out and so. 

706
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,960
Anybody who didn't laugh but 
said that's funny. 

707
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,680
Well, apparently he then Michael
Daly said that he when he 

708
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,760
realised that they weren't going
to sell it to the Americans and 

709
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,080
he chopped out quite a bit of 
material to to chop it down to 

710
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,960
length. 
OK, so he he reinstated about 8 

711
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,280
or 9 minutes of cut footage. 
Right. 

712
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,080
Apparently like a director's 
cut. 

713
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Wow, that extension. 
And I wonder, I'd, I'd love to 

714
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,320
wonder where that what happened 
to that? 

715
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,680
Peter Jackson's The Case of the 
Muckanee's Baron. 

716
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,400
It's 4 hours long. 
Yeah. 

717
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,360
Wow. 
What was that? 

718
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,040
What was that? 
Brown? 

719
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:58,000
Brown. 
What is that? 

720
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,160
It's a magnifying glasser. 
Control Brown. 

721
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,440
Control a stone. 
Yes. 

722
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,520
Admit it. 
Try to it. 

723
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:12,000
What does it say? 
Fred Smith, Window repair, 14 A 

724
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,200
Hurley St. 
Why? 

725
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,480
That's 14 A Hurley St. to the 
head and no more than a stone's 

726
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:22,040
throw from here. 
Brown will start us. 

727
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,400
That's there. 
So it didn't sell and Sellers 

728
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:33,800
more or less disowned the film 
shortly after, he said. 

729
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,280
We had about 3 ideas in the 
beginning of the film which were

730
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,200
good, but the rest was made-up 
as we went along. 

731
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,640
That's not necessarily a bad 
thing, I actually think. 

732
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,840
I think it works for the length 
of time that it takes. 

733
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,640
It does, I think. 
It holds you. 

734
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,760
I think it's good jokes. 
I think it, you know, the only 

735
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:58,440
thing is it's got a bit I I'm a 
terrible person for I think the 

736
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,880
ending is a bit much. 
I don't think I like. 

737
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,400
I would have preferred to 
pretend. 

738
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,960
When you say the ending, you 
mean the busker right at the 

739
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:06,680
end? 
Or do you mean the? 

740
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,480
Yeah, yeah. 
No, no, I just think it just 

741
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,360
sort of, it doesn't come to your
conclusion. 

742
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,520
It needs to, you know, like I 
needed to finish on a better 

743
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,480
joke. 
Not the horn, but you know. 

744
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,840
But you know. 
I don't remember, I don't 

745
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,000
remember ever watching it back 
in the day and thinking, you 

746
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,400
know, this is bad or I think 
it's really entertaining. 

747
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,720
I think the people involved that
are, you know, they're being 

748
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,080
funny. 
They're clearly enjoying 

749
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,640
themselves. 
I thought which yeah, comes 

750
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,400
across I I thought when I first 
saw it, it was, I really enjoyed

751
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,480
it. 
I remember thinking and there 

752
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,400
were some really good gags like,
you know, an impression of a 

753
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:51,680
heel and oh, and the police 
photographers quickie straight 

754
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,920
out of what you see a naked gun.
Oh, yeah, No, absolutely. 

755
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,840
Yeah, absolutely. 
And the the the thing about it 

756
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,000
is that it battles along in a 
surprising way because I haven't

757
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,400
seen down among the Z men years 
before. 

758
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,360
I'm sure I saw a long time 
before this. 

759
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,200
Yeah. 
And I think, I mean, I obviously

760
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,480
watched it because, you know, I 
was deep in my obsession of 

761
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Paul. 
You'd really didn't say and and 

762
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,440
was like really surprised by how
good it was. 

763
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,440
And and I don't remember coming 
away from the thinking that it 

764
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,920
was it was it was kind of bad in
any in every way. 

765
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:35,360
I think it looks, don't worry. 
I just want to say that's 

766
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:41,640
without being too unkind. 
It kind of looks cheap and it 

767
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,520
could have it could have 
benefited from see, I always say

768
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,600
things because benefit from a 
bit of direction. 

769
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,120
And then like, you know, a 
friend Craig would say no, no, 

770
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,400
it's editing. 
But one with the other. 

771
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,120
It would have benefited from 
better production because it's 

772
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,480
very, as you said, as you said, 
because for television it's very

773
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,440
flat and wide and it's quite 
contained. 

774
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,000
It's not very dynamic as. 
As no film daughters no, but 

775
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,440
like it's it's it's a pet 
project from the crew of of a 

776
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,080
television show. 
But it's, but that's, but I 

777
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,360
think that's, I think actually 
in a way, now you think of it, 

778
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,320
that may actually work a wee bit
against it. 

779
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,560
Because when they were making a 
sincere effort to make something

780
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,840
to sell, it probably would have 
been more fun if it were just a 

781
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,640
completely pet project. 
Do you know what I mean? 

782
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,600
If I had been a completely 
anarchic, filmed on their own 

783
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:46,120
spare time, you know, carry on 
nonsense rather than, you know, 

784
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,560
somebody saying no, no, we need 
to edit this. 

785
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,440
We need to make sure we can show
America. 

786
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,680
We interrupt our story to bring 
you a word from Mr. Maurice 

787
00:46:53,720 --> 00:47:02,120
Punk. 
My name is Maurice Punk and I 

788
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,000
live in a little log cabin in 
Piccadilly. 

789
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:12,280
Last night I left a burning 
cigarette by my bedside and the 

790
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,160
old place was burnt down and the
night before last my fire 

791
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,920
insurance run out and we did not
get a penny. 

792
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,200
My hell, we did laugh when we 
heard about it. 

793
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,240
Mr. Park has nothing to do with 
our story before. 

794
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,360
You'd like to see what a real 
idiot look like? 

795
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,840
I want to talk about few of the 
other people that we see. 

796
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,960
There's there's no names in this
film apart from Sellers, 

797
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,200
Milligan and and Amory. 
Yeah, there's a couple of 

798
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,280
interesting minor characters in 
this film. 

799
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,880
There's the there's the ancient 
caretaker we see right at the 

800
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:51,480
beginning. 
Indeed. 

801
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,640
Yes. 
The actor was called Gordon 

802
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,360
Fillott. 
He started acting in 1897. 

803
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,120
I don't think he's still with 
us. 

804
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,000
He was. 
He was probably best known, 

805
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,440
certainly then. 
Probably Doctors he was. 

806
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,960
He was probably best known then 
for playing one of the elderly 

807
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,720
schoolmasters in Wacko. 
Oh fantastic, I love Jimmy 

808
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:19,680
Edwards. 
Dear. 

809
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,960
Yeah, I really, really always 
loved Jimmy Edwards and I, I 

810
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:29,880
don't know, I mean, almost 
everything that the sort of, you

811
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,960
know, personal outlook could 
ever is pretty awful to me. 

812
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,760
You know, the sort of standing 
as a Tory candidate and all 

813
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,200
that. 
Something, although it was, it 

814
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,840
was way before it was all like 
Macmillan and all that. 

815
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,760
But I don't know, I just thought
he's one of those people that 

816
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,480
just makes me laugh. 
I just think he's funny. 

817
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,440
I've not really seen much Jimmy 
Edwards from. 

818
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,680
I tell you, I tell you what is 
great. 

819
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,480
It's on YouTube is the the sort 
of late period. 

820
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,800
See the television series of 
Glums. 

821
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,320
Oh yeah. 
With Ian Lavender and Patricia 

822
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,840
Break. 
Know that That's brilliant. 

823
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,360
I mean, it's really funny. 
Wasn't. 

824
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,520
Wasn't that pardon Bruce's big 
night? 

825
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,080
Well, it was, but then they made
a series over. 

826
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,840
Right, OK. 
They were, they were like, you 

827
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,160
know, Prince's big night. 
They were. 

828
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,320
Or maybe it was because you 
forget how bloody long what 

829
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,600
precious big night was. 
In any case, what I'm sure it 

830
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,440
was a set called, you know, like
and and the radio glums, you 

831
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,520
know, with the bill care and 
June Whitfield and over is is 

832
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,000
really funny, the original 
iteration of it. 

833
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,320
But the ACT. 
But that series is is is is 

834
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,600
great. 
And I've always wanted to see, 

835
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,320
you know, like sometimes that 
when especially when they, well,

836
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,240
they don't do films programmes 
about Jimmy Edwards, but you 

837
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,000
know, like when you do things 
about Eric Sykes, they always 

838
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,680
have those clips of big bad 
mouse. 

839
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,240
Yeah. 
Yes. 

840
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,320
I've, I've desperately, I've 
always wanted to see what that, 

841
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,160
you know, is there a full 
recording of that that somebody 

842
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,560
has? 
I'm desperate to see that. 

843
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,840
I did a bit of digging around 
about that a couple of years ago

844
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,240
and got nowhere with it. 
Yeah, I mean, I've asked around,

845
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,800
I've never gotten, and I would 
dearly love to see that. 

846
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,360
Yeah. 
Yes, there's a there's a really 

847
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,240
fun episode of Parkinson where 
Jimmy Edwards and Eric 6 and I 

848
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:31,920
think they actually, I don't I 
think it was live, you know, and

849
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,360
it's like they appear having 
just finished their a 

850
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:41,600
performance of big bad boys and 
Jimmy Edwards is hammered, which

851
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:47,240
is which is always fun to watch.
But anyway, so sorry other 

852
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,000
people who are other people who 
appear. 

853
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,680
Yeah, so we got the old Gordon 
there and we got terminally one 

854
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,760
of the one of the policemen, you
know, the police dispatcher who 

855
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,480
sets these cars off. 
They'll all end up crashing, 

856
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,720
which is a bit a benting gag, by
the way. 

857
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,880
Oh. 
It's so obviously a benting. 

858
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,320
Yeah, that's an actor called 
Wally Thomas and I, I looked at 

859
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,720
him. 
He played, he had a significant 

860
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:15,040
role in The Singing Detective 
as, as Granddad Baxter. 

861
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,000
I don't remember him, but 
apparently. 

862
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,320
A long time since I've watched 
this. 

863
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,040
He was also he was one of the 
pirates Wally Thomas in the 

864
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,720
Crimson Permanent Assurance. 
Of course he was. 

865
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:34,160
That's where I recognized the 
sort of we skinny one. 

866
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,640
Well, I've not seen it for 
years. 

867
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:37,600
Yeah, he. 
Watched it. 

868
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,200
Yeah, because, because the two, 
there's always a few. 

869
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,200
There's a few of the Crimson 
permanent assurance packets that

870
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,200
you recognize. 
Why they've obviously been 

871
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,200
Leslie Saroni. 
Yeah, yeah. 

872
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,560
And that and I've always 
wondered where else I had seen 

873
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,320
them. 
Ah, that's brilliant. 

874
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,880
Yeah, yeah, I. 
Can notice the wee bit easier. 

875
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:00,960
You're learning so much tonight,
Chris. 

876
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,640
I really am. 
I'm the I love the Crimson 

877
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,040
permanent assurance I. 
I think is it the best bit of 

878
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,040
that film? 
Oh yeah, it's the best, most 

879
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,720
like most sustained part of the 
film because over there are bits

880
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:21,400
of meaning of life that I really
enjoy, but then there are bets 

881
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,280
you've kind of got. 
To I'll tell you what I don't 

882
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,200
enjoy about that film. 
But. 

883
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,640
Mr. Mr. Creosote. 
Oh, you don't. 

884
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:34,680
Know I hate it actually. 
The thing that makes me laugh, 

885
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,160
mostly. 
I think the best joke of the Mr.

886
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:43,520
Creosote sequence is when they 
go to the other table and John 

887
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,440
Cleese is, and they're 
explaining why they need to 

888
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,320
leave. 
Yeah. 

889
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,840
And she says she's, you know 
what? 

890
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,400
She says I'm having a period. 
And Cleese is totally baffled. 

891
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,880
And then somebody says no, no, 
we're late for a train. 

892
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,400
Ah, OK. 
Yes. 

893
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,520
You don't want me. 
I don't want to be bleeding all 

894
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,640
over the place. 
But yeah, that. 

895
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,840
What? 
I had no idea the Krebs and 

896
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,280
permanent shows existed. 
I saw, you know what got on 

897
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,960
video of the meaning of life 
years after it came out? 

898
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,360
Yeah. 
And I'm just like, what is this?

899
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,160
Yeah. 
I was like, this is great. 

900
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,160
I just get one of the best songs
in it, you know, the fun to 

901
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,080
charter and accountants. 
A fantastic song. 

902
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,000
Yeah, I'll have to rewatch it 
because I haven't watched that 

903
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,600
film for a long, long time. 
I've watched the other two. 

904
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,960
Well, the the the the two best 
ones on a regular basis, but not

905
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,200
that one. 
What's the anchor? 

906
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:47,520
You break out the cuddle and you
makes the tea. 

907
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,560
Hi, Sir. 
I'm sold. 

908
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,480
I'll watch it tonight. 
I'm going to finish this. 

909
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,200
I mentioned Dick Emery as 
Maurice Punk. 

910
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,760
Morris Punk. 
And he's he's introduced. 

911
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,960
Man in London. 
Yeah, he's introduced by a guy 

912
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,720
you like this bit. 
You like this bit, Chris. 

913
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,040
He's introduced by a guy called 
Bill HEPA. 

914
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,600
Right now, Bill HEPA was a was 
an actor. 

915
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,080
He was he didn't amount to very 
much, certainly not on TV, but I

916
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,320
gather he was more for one for 
trading the boards. 

917
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:30,640
OK, one of his most successful 
forays was so the Beyond the 

918
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,320
Fringe 1965 incarnation, if you 
want to call it that. 

919
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,600
So, you know, Cook and Moore and
and Miller and what not, they'd 

920
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,120
all moved on to bigger and 
better things, but the but the 

921
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:49,440
show was still a going concern. 
And I looked at the cast of the 

922
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,440
1965 Beyond the Fringe, and you 
got Bill HEPA, who's in the 

923
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,440
Mckee's Belt horn. 
You've got Barry Stanton. 

924
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:03,880
OK Neville Buswell. 
Does that name mean anything to 

925
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:04,120
you? 
Oh. 

926
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,880
God, yeah. 
And. 

927
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,200
It and it should. 
And I and I'm. 

928
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,720
I'm counting on you, Chris. 
Oh, Neville Buswell. 

929
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,280
Right let. 
Me. 

930
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:18,400
Just, oh, I had something. 
Ray Langton. 

931
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,360
Yes. 
Well, bastard Ray Langton. 

932
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,520
Ray Langton. 
Why did anybody fancy Ray 

933
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,680
Langton? 
He was awful. 

934
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,760
Oh, you know, I sorry to run, 
but oh, I was watching. 

935
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,520
I watch a Local Coordination. 
Yes, and I. 

936
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,560
Watch soccer and there's I was 
was a particular period of sort 

937
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,520
of mid 74 or whatever and 
there's like Billy Walker, Ray 

938
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,320
Langton, they are terrible 
people. 

939
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,880
Aren't they? 
They're all terrible people. 

940
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,480
Oh God, and and and and and Lynn
Fairclough as well. 

941
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,840
Well, Lynn at least sort of 
developed a bit. 

942
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,280
You know, he developed on. 
But when, when, when there's 

943
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:12,080
Lane Fairclough and Ray Langton 
and Pure A, there's a wee guy. 

944
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,280
Oh, the one that tried to court 
Mavis? 

945
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,760
Is it Jerry Booth? 
Jerry Booth put Jerry Booth have

946
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,920
to do all the wash to clean. 
They're like give him to oh, I 

947
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,840
said sorry. 
Really, it rankles. 

948
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,280
OK. 
Well, did you mention Mavis 

949
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,760
there? 
Did Ray Langton ever tried on 

950
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,680
with Mavis, do you know? 
Don't. 

951
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,280
Think so? 
No, no, don't think so. 

952
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,320
I don't think he would have been
interested. 

953
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,440
I'll tell you. 
I'll tell you who did and who 

954
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,880
made-up The Who made-up the 
quartet of this Beyond the 

955
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,720
Fringe 1965? 
Oh, go on. 

956
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,840
Peter Baldwin. 
Oh, really? 

957
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,280
Oh, wow, that's amazing. 
And. 

958
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,760
When was this 65? 
Yeah. 

959
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,800
Oh, fantastic. 
That's great. 

960
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,400
I think did, did, did, did. 
So, for the uninitiated, Peter 

961
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,920
Baldwin played Derek Wilton, 
didn't he? 

962
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,920
Yeah, Peter Baldwin played Derek
Wilton. 

963
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,680
In Corrie. 
In Coronation Street, he was 

964
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,360
sort of, and you know, you know,
trying to get me this 

965
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,000
interested, but wouldn't leave 
his mother and she was really 

966
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,080
fed up. 
And then he went away, then he 

967
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,720
came back, and then of course, 
they got married. 

968
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:24,520
And then they were in it for 
years and were great, great 

969
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,120
characters. 
Didn't he drive a car with a big

970
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,720
paper clip on the roof? 
Well, he worked. 

971
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:34,560
He worked for a Victor Finn's 
paper, Victor Pendlebury, Victor

972
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,080
Pendlebury paper products. 
Yeah, he was the same. 

973
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:43,800
But anyway, he was one of the 
casualties of Coronation 

974
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,400
Street's new Go Ahead producer, 
sort of the equivalent of Marie,

975
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,920
including that he did on 
antiques. 

976
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,120
I can't. 
Remember and he got he was one 

977
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,280
of the ones that got the axe. 
And then Thelma Barlow said 

978
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,120
well, if if he's going, I'm 
going. 

979
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,480
And she left as well. 
After he had this, he was he had

980
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,760
a heart attack and then went to 
his, say, excellent shop in 

981
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,680
Covent Garden selling toy 
theatre sets. 

982
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,600
Which is still there. 
OK Yeah. 

983
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,320
All right. 
One last person in this film I 

984
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,040
want to mention and then I just 
want to talk about. 

985
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,200
Marianne Stone. 
She must be in there somewhere. 

986
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,720
Yeah, I want to talk about the 
film itself, but I just want to 

987
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,920
mention Pamela Thomas, who's the
token female. 

988
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,240
He doesn't get a lot to do at 
all. 

989
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,040
No, she gets perved on by 
sailors. 

990
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,440
Yeah, well, apparently, 
according to according to Roger 

991
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,240
Lewis. 
Who else? 

992
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,320
It will be true then. 
Sellers made Pamela Thomas cry 

993
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,520
on set and and she was in. 
You know what I said? 

994
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,960
Picture Goer magazine was there 
and they were filming. 

995
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:47,880
Did pig stab her in the leg or 
something? 

996
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,400
So the reporter from Picture 
Goers interviewed her on set and

997
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,600
she said they've only had one 
girl with them before and she 

998
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,920
lasted only one radio program 
she's referring to. 

999
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,480
I think she's she must be 
referring to Charlotte Mitchell 

1000
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:10,440
who was in she was actually 2 
goon shows right? 

1001
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:15,760
Sellers was seeing her as well. 
So the Ruby Coast and Pamela 

1002
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,200
Thomas said that Spike and Peter
are awfully sweet to work with. 

1003
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,840
And for people in their 
position, they're not at all 

1004
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,800
uppity or snobbish about a 
newcomer. 

1005
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:25,760
Yeah. 
So she doesn't have much to do 

1006
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,720
with. 
I mean, she plays the daughter 

1007
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,920
of Minnie and Henry. 
Oh, yeah. 

1008
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,160
Unbelievably good. 
Night, Mother. 

1009
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,360
Isn't that the lady who 
questioned at the museum? 

1010
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,040
She gave up acting in the late 
50s. 

1011
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,440
She was actually offered a 
lucrative film contract, but she

1012
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,200
turned it down. 
She appeared in the first 

1013
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,280
staging of Look Back and Anger 
at the Royal Court. 

1014
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,680
But then she got married, had 
kids and she ended up becoming 

1015
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,480
mayor of Bournemouth in the 90s.
What an interesting patchwork of

1016
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,640
characters were involved in the 
case of the battle. 

1017
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,920
The thing is right, you said 
before something along the lines

1018
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,960
of bringing the characters to 
life in vision or something. 

1019
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,480
Yeah, well. 
Yeah. 

1020
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,200
The point I was, yeah, the point
I was sort of making very badly 

1021
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,640
was these were all exercises, 
these films of various different

1022
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:36,120
generations and presentations 
and styles of radio people 

1023
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,840
trying to find a way to succeed 
on in a visual medium. 

1024
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,960
You know the the I think that's 
you can see the varying degrees 

1025
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,040
of success as they go. 
But taking that literally, I 

1026
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:54,040
mean, you've got 2 characters if
you if you if you grant that 

1027
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:59,520
Jervis fruit is sort of sort of 
grip pipe thin, you've got three

1028
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,800
other characters, I think. 
No, yeah, no, Three other 

1029
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,440
characters who are goodshow 
characters. 

1030
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,640
You've got Echoes, you've got 
Mini and you've got Henry. 

1031
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,360
Well, you've got Mini off 
screen. 

1032
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,720
Yes. 
Now, how do you think echoes and

1033
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,200
CRAN translate to the visual 
medium? 

1034
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:24,400
Well many men works way better 
being a voice off. 

1035
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,640
Yes, I agree. 
I don't know about cran. 

1036
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:33,920
I don't think the makeup doesn't
help, such as it is. 

1037
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,120
It doesn't suit. 
It's not how I visualize, and 

1038
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,800
it's hard to visualize the game 
characters definitively, but 

1039
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,920
it's certainly nowhere near how 
I visualize them. 

1040
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,320
I, I have to say, we know that 
you mentioned that. 

1041
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,760
I don't think I've ever actually
visualized good characters. 

1042
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,680
I don't think I've ever seen 
them as people in my mind's eye.

1043
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:01,600
You know, like maybe, maybe 
Blood Knock is the most sort of 

1044
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:07,440
realizable of them all because 
countries stuffed with them. 

1045
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,680
Yeah, but pith helmet. 
Big, big Jimmy Edwards 

1046
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,160
moustaches. 
Yeah, well, I always thought 

1047
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,200
that sort of, you know, you 
know, that sort of a Edwardian 

1048
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,600
Tweedy outfit that Macmillan 
would wear. 

1049
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,880
But then when you got up close, 
it's really threadbare. 

1050
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,400
And shiny the. 
Cuffs are all good. 

1051
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,120
He's got a gin bloom. 
Yeah, that's that's about it. 

1052
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,160
The the rest of them have have 
so, you know, seeing them and 

1053
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,360
seeing them in person. 
I mean, Milligan just proves his

1054
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,840
hat and goes you. 
Know. 

1055
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,560
So, you know, the, the, the 
whole way, the whole effort to 

1056
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:51,680
sort of visualize the goons was,
is sort of doomed to fail. 

1057
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,200
It is. 
There's no, there's just no way 

1058
01:02:54,200 --> 01:03:00,920
to do it because even today, no 
matter what you tell people, the

1059
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:06,120
future of radio is not 
television, it's radio. 

1060
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,640
Quite right? 
People just like listening to 

1061
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,560
things later go on with. 
It that podcast as well. 

1062
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,400
Exactly. 
People like listening to things,

1063
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:21,520
yeah, just let them get on with.
It yeah, I said that say Larry 

1064
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,840
Stevens was chiefly responsible 
for the well for the script, 

1065
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,760
although a lot of it was 
improvised, but but about 10 

1066
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:34,240
minutes of a 25 minute script is
basically they've just basically

1067
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,200
photocopied a sequence from 
Minnie and Henry in the goon 

1068
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,280
show. 
That bit with the the door 

1069
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,680
knocking, yeah, which goes on 
too long. 

1070
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,160
Far, far too long, I think. 
Which is again, is is something 

1071
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:51,920
that you're quite prepared to 
let work on a radio. 

1072
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,640
Yeah. 
But as you see, that doesn't 

1073
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,120
mean that it will work visually,
because visually it's boring. 

1074
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,160
Yeah. 
But in in your mind, it's not 

1075
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,760
boring because you're providing 
your own pictures, as they say, 

1076
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,200
painting your own pictures. 
Also the the the line delivery 

1077
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,240
in the goon show is is machine 
gun delivery. 

1078
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,400
In this it's stilted because. 
Of oh, Can you imagine the 

1079
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,920
number of takes that sailors 
would have gone through through 

1080
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,200
all this? 
Carry on where, you know, 

1081
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,000
getting it wrong or giggling to 
cover the fact that he can he do

1082
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,920
it and then getting annoyed with
Milligan because he can just do 

1083
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,240
it. 
And then they're getting ratty 

1084
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,680
because they have to move the 
cameras or change the lights. 

1085
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,760
You do wonder sometimes how 
Sellers ever succeeded in films.

1086
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,320
But that's why I thought, that's
why I say I, I think that 

1087
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,200
Milligan, when you see him right
from the very beginning, and 

1088
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,720
actually Dick Emery, there's so 
much more comfortable on screen 

1089
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,000
at this point than I think 
Sellers is. 

1090
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,800
Yeah. 
He looks like he's sort of doing

1091
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,840
like, you know, it's following 
parts, he's doing the motions. 

1092
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:10,360
He's, you know, it's acting in a
sense, whereas the rest of them 

1093
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,240
are just doing what they do. 
It's like Sellers. 

1094
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,480
Sellers thinks his career 
depends on this, whereas. 

1095
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,720
Yeah. 
But then I think at the time 

1096
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,600
that, as I say about like 
grouping for what to do in 

1097
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,040
future, sellers, I think at this
point thought everything was, 

1098
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:30,200
you know, because he'd fucking 
Pagan his ear all the time tell 

1099
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,560
them that he was going to be the
world's biggest star any minute.

1100
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:41,920
So you know, it is everything is
is desperately important, which 

1101
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,200
is then of course why it doesn't
work as he then just owns it 

1102
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,040
because he doesn't want to be 
reminded of something that the. 

1103
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,400
Other thing is though, they make
this in October, it gets 

1104
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:59,880
released in January 56 and then 
by the end of January 56, plans 

1105
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:04,600
are afoot to make the first, you
know, the idiot weekly price 

1106
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,560
tuppence, which was the first of
the, of the, of the Fred shows 

1107
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,280
really with Richard Lester and 
whatnot. 

1108
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,280
And there's, there's three 
different series in 1956 alone. 

1109
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,840
There's idiot weekly show called
Fred and son of Fred, all in 56.

1110
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,200
So, so his work, you know, his 
work rate is impressive, but 

1111
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,360
he's desperate. 
Like you say, he's just 

1112
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:24,640
desperate. 
Desperate to be. 

1113
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,760
Well, it's like something in the
Parkinson interview, isn't it, 

1114
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:32,240
When he says about, you know, 
impersonating Kenneth Horne of 

1115
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:33,880
Russian Market, when he does 
that thing where he says you've 

1116
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,720
got to go ahead, go ahead. 
Yeah. 

1117
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,680
And he's not kidding. 
You see how serious he is? 

1118
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,880
Yeah. 
And you clearly look really 

1119
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,640
driven, you know, with this 
period. 

1120
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,440
Oh, absolutely. 
That's how you I mean. 

1121
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,120
But he had. 
You have to have talent to back 

1122
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,560
it out, obviously. 
Oh, of course, of course, but 

1123
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,280
but you, you know, but then 
there are plenty of people with 

1124
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,680
a lot of talent who don't make 
it. 

1125
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,800
Oh yes. 
So maybe you, maybe you've 

1126
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,600
you've just got to be like that.
I know I'm not driving or have. 

1127
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,440
Talent, you know it's not. 
It's what stopped me from being 

1128
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,720
such a global power. 
I'm on table. 

1129
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,680
Mini, I can't hear what you're 
saying for that knocking noise. 

1130
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:38,440
I can't hear you. 
I. 

1131
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,040
Keep going back to this reporter
from Picture Goer, who's on set,

1132
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:46,240
OK? 
And I just want to mention this 

1133
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,400
a little bit because you were 
saying about Sellers being 

1134
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,360
difficult on set, imagining that
he would be difficult. 

1135
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,520
I just sort of read you this 
little section from the 

1136
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,840
resultant article. 
They reported the scrubs being 

1137
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,360
grabbed by Sellers. 
And he says in his hand was a 

1138
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,920
gigantic magnifying glass. 
Follow that floor. 

1139
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,360
He bawled, pointing downwards 
dazedly. 

1140
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,200
I met glamour girl Pam Thomas, 
who said, I think that I'm in 

1141
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,640
this sea now, but I don't know. 
Nobody tells you anything. 

1142
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,760
Continuity girl Barbara Cole was
trying to make herself heard. 

1143
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,279
You've changed the line in that 
scene, haven't you? 

1144
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:25,120
She asked. 
Milligan said yes. 

1145
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:29,319
Fine, fine, fine. 
A props man said your privilege.

1146
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:33,520
They've told you there seems to 
be a bit of. 

1147
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,439
The wee bit of friction. 
Friction, Yeah. 

1148
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,040
And you're hard to believe that 
I got that right. 

1149
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:42,560
Do you know? 
Yeah. 

1150
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,479
It's sort of you get the feeling
that, you know, there was like 

1151
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,960
this little gang, the the sort 
of disdain for for the the 

1152
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,800
professionals who have to work 
around them. 

1153
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,720
Yes. 
You know, and it's, it's such an

1154
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,319
old story that you don't, you 
know, the high burn rules. 

1155
01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:02,960
We'll just do it our way as if 
nobody's ever done that before. 

1156
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,160
It's, it's, it's interesting 
when you compare it with the, 

1157
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:12,080
you know, people talking about, 
for example, from the same 

1158
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:17,680
milieu, people who worked both 
actors and production or, and 

1159
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:24,160
say something like sites where 
it's so collegiate, people can 

1160
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:25,840
change the lanes. 
If it works, we'll keep it. 

1161
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:31,319
And if we do it, you know, and, 
and it does come across, it does

1162
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:33,800
translate, it does come across 
the screen. 

1163
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,680
Yes. 
And that's why some programs are

1164
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:42,479
a warm hug and other programs, 
no matter how clever they are or

1165
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,399
how well produced they are, just
don't click. 

1166
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,240
It's a sort of a bit ephemeral. 
Maybe that's why. 

1167
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:50,920
Maybe that's why the. 
Yeah. 

1168
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,080
You know, So, you know, the 
Benny Hill. 

1169
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,880
Benny Hill obviously did 
phenomenally well in America. 

1170
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:02,360
Yes, we all know this was. 
And as the most successful 

1171
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:09,400
comedian that has ever lived and
Benny Hill always had that 

1172
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:17,200
little twinkle to the audience. 
It's so affecting draws and 

1173
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:22,480
where you see a lane and do that
little little smart little smile

1174
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:26,480
and you know you can't help but 
enjoy. 

1175
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,720
Well, if you can help us on the 
mountain, you can't help but 

1176
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,960
enjoy. 
I don't mean the dreaded, you 

1177
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,440
know, the dead hand of Dennis 
Clotkland years. 

1178
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,280
But prior to that, jokes over 
the amount I think that those 

1179
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,040
terrible Dick Henry shows, the 
laughter and all that shit. 

1180
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:49,720
But the earlier ones, you know, 
and again that as kind of when 

1181
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,880
we say the reciprocity between 
the performers and the audience,

1182
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,640
the stage and the audience. 
But it's true and it does work. 

1183
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,920
And maybe that's what's maybe 
that's why something like mock 

1184
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,360
and his battle on didn't work in
America. 

1185
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,800
What was there for the people 
watching? 

1186
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,160
You didn't know what who had no 
connection to. 

1187
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:08,560
It. 
Yeah, but there was saying that 

1188
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,840
there's a few nice visual gags I
really enjoy. 

1189
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,560
Right at the beginning at the 
museum, before you see anyone 

1190
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,720
you see, you see the Mcanese 
battlehorn itself in its glass 

1191
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:24,200
case, and someone off lobs a 
brick through the glass case and

1192
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,680
then runs up, picks up the 
brick, examines it, and runs 

1193
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:33,320
off. 
I know, but it's not enough 

1194
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,320
though, isn't it? 
You've got to, you've got to, 

1195
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,960
you've got to make that 
connection. 

1196
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:39,760
Yeah. 
I mean, it's silly to theorize 

1197
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,920
about comedy and what works and 
what doesn't work. 

1198
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,960
It's because it can be anything,
because there's plenty of comedy

1199
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:50,160
that that is massively popular 
Me but but that's fine. 

1200
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,800
What did you think of Catch Paul
Burkington? 

1201
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,640
It's a great, you know, I'm 
actually surprised that there 

1202
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,040
weren't more people in it. 
Do you know what I mean? 

1203
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,520
You, you, because you've got 
Emily there. 

1204
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,200
But there were so many other. 
Yeah, people, you know, like 

1205
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,920
Jimmy Edwards, like Tony 
Hancock, like, you know, the 

1206
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,160
card, you know, like all these 
people that would have turned up

1207
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:22,280
in these things a lot. 
Like I watched a fantastic film 

1208
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,720
that stumbled across on YouTube 
the other day. 

1209
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,360
It was called Ladies who Do 
Never heard of it. 

1210
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,080
Before yes, with Peggy Bout was 
it? 

1211
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:34,880
What a great film. 
Dandy Nichols was this Mary? 

1212
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,040
It's Mary and Carlin, and I 
can't remember Harry H Corbett. 

1213
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,480
It's just great. 
But you just know that they were

1214
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:43,840
the cast were there because they
were. 

1215
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:48,000
They're always there. 
They're all the good Tantine, 

1216
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:54,040
you know, like, excuse me or 
the, you know, the express 

1217
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,680
dating Charring Cross or 
something. 

1218
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,680
They're just always there. 
It's quite interesting that 

1219
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,000
there are so in a way that there
are so few people in the battle 

1220
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,240
horn. 
Well that's true, but the the 

1221
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,880
they had a limited budget and 
sellers had most of it. 

1222
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,680
Yeah, a lot of a lot of British 
films get criticized. 

1223
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,360
I don't know. 
We, I think it's a weird 

1224
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,920
criticism. 
You know, eventually in the 70s,

1225
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,760
they get criticized. 
Oh, one of those films that 

1226
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:22,600
everybody's in, except that's a 
bad thing, as you, as you say. 

1227
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,600
I know it's weird, doesn't it? 
It's the sort of thing you would

1228
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,280
read in a Laisley Halliwell 
review. 

1229
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:28,880
Another one of those films 
everybody's in Charlie. 

1230
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,400
So yeah, all this. 
Well, maybe it's a, maybe it's 

1231
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,480
a, as you say, a budget thing. 
I don't think they want. 

1232
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:38,840
I don't think they cost much 
probably. 

1233
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:44,520
Not you can get Dennis Dennis 
Price for a 6 pack of Brown Ale 

1234
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:45,560
I. 
Don't think you had to. 

1235
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:46,480
Yeah, well, quite. 
Yeah. 

1236
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,320
I don't think you had to pay 
Raymond Huntly much to turn up 

1237
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:54,440
and go hurry, you know, You 
know, like go freeze. 

1238
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:55,320
That would have turned up. 
Said. 

1239
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,720
Nasty for 5 minutes for not 
much. 

1240
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,280
Korean Stark David Lodge would 
have done it for free, just to 

1241
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:04,240
bask in the radiance of. 
David Lodge was in Cockleshell 

1242
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:05,640
Heroes. 
Yeah, he was. 

1243
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,160
Yeah, he was. 
So yeah, it's, but, you know, 

1244
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,200
maybe it's one of those things, 
you know, actually limited time,

1245
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:13,840
limited money. 
Other people are busy doing 

1246
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,040
panto and, you know, 
buckinghead. 

1247
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,760
So. 
You know, you just never know. 

1248
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,360
Just a few little notes I made 
about the film filmed in 

1249
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,320
Schizophrenoscope, the new split
screen. 

1250
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,720
Nice little gag. 
Yep, that wouldn't. 

1251
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,280
Fly now. 
And of course, there's the 

1252
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:37,960
there's the the the erotic dance
in the nightclub turns out to be

1253
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:43,080
Echoes, which is lifted straight
from the Goon show Dishonoured. 

1254
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,560
Oh, Beauteous 10 Fairest of 
affair. 

1255
01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:03,560
Sublime siren, Exquisitive 
charges. 

1256
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,480
What are you doing? 
A little hovel like this? 

1257
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,000
I'm going to make a living. 
Do you know? 

1258
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,680
Wait, You're not a girl. 
You're a man. 

1259
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,680
I know that. 
But don't tell the manager. 

1260
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,480
Why not? 
We're engaged. 

1261
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,240
Wait. 
I see it all now you can't have 

1262
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:21,480
done. 
I ain't taking the fails off. 

1263
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:30,400
You that's one of those standard
gags that existed for years. 

1264
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,920
You know, the dance, the seven 
fields and you take off and it's

1265
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,520
somebody else. 
You know those standard, yes, 

1266
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:43,200
like sitcom episodes about the 
insurance man or overheating? 

1267
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,120
Somebody's dying when they're 
not really dying. 

1268
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,240
Absolutely. 
You know one of those things. 

1269
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,120
Oh, oh, you, you. 
You can inherit your great aunts

1270
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,240
money, but you have to be 
married or you have to. 

1271
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,800
Yeah. 
Yes, any number of any number of

1272
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,480
them that you know, you would 
have you watch a series of 

1273
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:04,520
sitcoms and one episode will 
have one of them. 

1274
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,000
Somebody's won the pills. 
They've not really won the 

1275
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:11,280
pills, you know? 
Oh, that's it. 

1276
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,480
And it's fine. 
It's great, absolutely great. 

1277
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:19,320
Love it, love it all. 
This film had a bit of an 

1278
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:25,800
afterlife as well, because in 
1975 it was supporting the 

1279
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,600
cinema release of Monty Python 
and the Holy Grail. 

1280
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,640
Oh, was it? 
That's a, that's a choice. 

1281
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,560
Yeah, that must have been a 
proactive choice. 

1282
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:41,520
Yeah, and it's got comedy 
credits at the end, this film. 

1283
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,560
And of course, there's comedy 
credits at the beginning of Holy

1284
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,760
Grail, isn't there? 
Yeah, of course you're rich, 

1285
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,240
Lyman and all that. 
Yeah. 

1286
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,080
I wonder if that was. 
Yeah. 

1287
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,360
Well, like I say, it must have 
been a very deliberate choice. 

1288
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,200
Oh yeah. 
Expose an audience to. 

1289
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,840
Yes, I've spoken to a number of 
people for this show that have 

1290
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,840
said that they saw it then, you 
know, when they went to see Holy

1291
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,800
Grail and at the cinema that was
when they first saw this. 

1292
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,440
And the other thing, when I was 
putting together my notes, it 

1293
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:14,600
just occurred to me, mucky knees
is, I presume it's just, it's 

1294
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,960
mucky knees, isn't it? 
Mucky dirty knees, I suppose. 

1295
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:22,880
Did you just realise that? 
Yeah, I, oh, I'm embarrassed 

1296
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:29,680
now. 
Yes, yes, Tyler is mucky knees 

1297
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,280
and there's best sellers you're 
not going to punish. 

1298
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,320
Sellers Best. 
Jesus. 

1299
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,000
Roger Lewis. 
Roger. 

1300
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:44,680
Back to Roger. 
Back to the professor. 

1301
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,680
He and I asked him about this 
and he he said he had no memory 

1302
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,160
of this whatsoever. 
But in his book on sellers, 

1303
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,680
right, he states that at the end
of Young Frankenstein, you can 

1304
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:01,240
see Marty Feldman as Igor on the
top of the castle playing the 

1305
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,880
monkey battle horn. 
Yeah, and I checked. 

1306
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:05,200
It's not. 
No, it's not. 

1307
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,560
But I mean, it's it's, it's, 
it's as much it is basically, 

1308
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:13,640
that's what it is. 
Because why else, why else is he

1309
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:18,280
playing the horn? 
It's repeatedly made to be the 

1310
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:19,680
monkey's battle horn. 
It's. 

1311
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,120
A little nod to sellers there by
Mel Brooks, maybe? 

1312
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,680
Who knows? 
I think it probably Marty. 

1313
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,920
Yeah, true. 
Well, you know, I knew him so 

1314
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,520
well, I think probably Marty 
failed what we do for our last 

1315
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:33,920
show. 
Oh, I'll play the muck in these 

1316
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,520
battlehorn. 
Yeah, it would be neat if I 

1317
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,160
actually was the buck in these 
battlehorn. 

1318
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,200
But then you could imagine the 
audience going what's why is he 

1319
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,920
playing that giant thing, I 
wonder? 

1320
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,640
Where that is, if that. 
I'm sure it's long skipped, but.

1321
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:50,400
You know, it may not be. 
It's probably sitting somewhere,

1322
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:54,320
you know, in an archive or a 
lookup shed in a studio or some 

1323
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,160
transferred from, you know, one 
purchase of one thing I've 

1324
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,080
always wondered. 
We are the for example, with the

1325
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:06,240
original artwork of things like,
you know, a ducks and flight 

1326
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,080
around the Eiffel Tower are 
because there must be there 

1327
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:11,560
must. 
Be somewhere. 

1328
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,000
Yes, you know, 4 three and a 
half, 97 a bath. 

1329
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,760
Yeah, you know, you know that 
big bonfire that Sellers threw 

1330
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:23,120
all his stuff on in the 70s in a
fit of pique when he got hit him

1331
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,080
for a load of can imagine him 
angrily. 

1332
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,200
Angrily. 
Thrown over over his head. 

1333
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:39,520
Throwing throwing the bubble. 
Or or or as it burns, sitting 

1334
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:46,360
going you. 
Can get a chewed out of that 

1335
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:50,280
thing. 
Stillborn. 

1336
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:58,000
Yeah, it's, it's a bit of an 
oddity, you know, because it's 

1337
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:02,240
bound to be an oddity. 
But putting it in the context of

1338
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:07,760
a sort of prospective series, it
makes it make a lot more sense 

1339
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,920
to me now. 
Because otherwise it's, it 

1340
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,160
always seemed to me like a sort 
of very, as I say, the running 

1341
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:18,080
jump in silent, I know that's a 
bit later is like a, you know, 

1342
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,480
people are asking about. 
And that's fine because of the 

1343
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:25,400
end in itself. 
I'd always wondered why the 

1344
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,960
Mochinees battle horn had been 
made, you know, with the 

1345
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:32,040
mortise, for it was was it made 
just to be part of a sort of 

1346
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,520
program on a Saturday morning, 
you know. 

1347
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,080
But now I know. 
Now we know. 

1348
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,720
Now we know. 
Now the world knows. 

1349
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,920
And I wonder, I couldn't find 
out whether it was going to be 

1350
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:50,080
the same characters every week 
solving new crimes, mysteries. 

1351
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,400
I suppose so, if it was a 
pastiche of Scotland Yard. 

1352
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,280
Or, but, you know, I wasn't sure
if it was going to be different 

1353
01:20:58,280 --> 01:20:59,320
characters every week. 
You don't know. 

1354
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:00,280
Oh. 
I see right? 

1355
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,000
You know a different like in a 
different crate into. 

1356
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:08,880
Well, you know, like, like the 
ripping yarns kind of. 

1357
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:10,200
Oh. 
I see. 

1358
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:11,280
Right, right, Right. 
I get you. 

1359
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:12,520
I get you. 
Yeah. 

1360
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,600
Yeah. 
We'd have trouble sustaining 

1361
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,600
that for an American audience. 
Well, I mean, they're just 

1362
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,080
troubles to stay the one for an 
American audience, obviously. 

1363
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,920
I've I've seen it said as well 
that Inspector Quilt was an 

1364
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,560
early tryout for sellers of the 
Clouseau character. 

1365
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:31,760
Yeah, no, I've heard that. 
That's the one. 

1366
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,240
That is, I think maybe the only 
one thing I know about the 

1367
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,960
Muckatees Bell. 
Although of course there's a 

1368
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,520
character called Inspector 
Clouseau. 

1369
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,560
Before that it was a Scottish 
police inspector. 

1370
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,360
Yeah, I think he's in one of the
shows, one of the good shows. 

1371
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,440
That's why it's called Clues All
because it's Scottish. 

1372
01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:55,080
All called Clues all. 
Can't remember what he said. 

1373
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,080
Oh. 
OK, I've just got Mickey knees 

1374
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,880
now you're. 
Just like, and it only took you 

1375
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,560
70 years. 
Yeah. 

1376
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,960
Not at all. 
Anything else before we pull 

1377
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:10,760
down the blind? 
Don't. 

1378
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,640
Think so. 
I mean, it's if you have, if 

1379
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,360
people haven't seen it, it's 
definitely worth watching. 

1380
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,960
It's more than just a curiosity.
You know, down among the Z men 

1381
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,960
is a curiosity. 
There's one joking down among 

1382
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,040
the big, but there's Michael 
Benton shooting a badger. 

1383
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,000
Have your life for this. 
That's it. 

1384
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:34,480
But it's definitely worth 
watching. 

1385
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:35,360
It's fun. 
It's good. 

1386
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,280
It's good fun. 
It's a good, it's what it's a 

1387
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,960
what's seeking out and. 
It's over as soon as it begins, 

1388
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,440
more or less as. 
Well, it really is. 

1389
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:43,480
It doesn't. 
It doesn't. 

1390
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:47,360
It doesn't take up too much, 
doesn't task in relations and 

1391
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,440
it's always fun to to watch 
Mulligan and sailors and it's 

1392
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:55,160
it's particularly fun to have 
decamery A viewed as well. 

1393
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,480
Yes, it's always a joy to see 
Decam. 

1394
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:01,760
I would like I would like to 
have seen more with those 3. 

1395
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,280
Oh yeah. 
Oh, absolutely. 

1396
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:08,080
I'd love to have seen more. 
I mean, the past clearly 

1397
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:15,120
diverged not long after, which 
is a bit of a shame, but yeah. 

1398
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,200
So yeah, so as we say, well 
worth it. 

1399
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,720
It turns out it probably turns 
up on talking pictures every. 

1400
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,120
Oh, I'm sure it's sort of 
permanent rotation. 

1401
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:27,600
Yes, yes. 
And so, Chris, thank. 

1402
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,680
You in in between punctuating 
films with Leslie Dwyer. 

1403
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,440
What's the best Leslie Dwyer 
film? 

1404
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,560
I I think they're all one film 
that they just chopped. 

1405
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:45,720
It's like just one giant 300 
foot across real that they just 

1406
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,080
chopped 30,000 feet off at a 
time. 

1407
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:56,680
So, Chris, thank you as always 
for for coming along to talk 

1408
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,440
about talk about this and 
possibly the next time that you 

1409
01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:05,360
and I will speak will be to talk
about Jabberwocky would be great

1410
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:10,360
for for for the film club. 
Anyway, thank you all for 

1411
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:14,920
listening as always. 
And next week, it is a film. 

1412
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,840
I think we're going to be 
talking about the Peter Sellers 

1413
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,280
film, Mr. Topaz. 
You familiar with that, Chris? 

1414
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,360
Yeah, well, it's a long time 
since I've seen it, but yeah. 

1415
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,160
Very nice little gem of a film 
that doesn't get talked about, 

1416
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:31,840
but it was his one and only 
directorial effort. 

1417
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,200
Although if you if you don't 
include Fu Manchu right before 

1418
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:39,320
he character. 
So that'll be next week. 

1419
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,640
And yeah, please rate and review
and all the rest of it and I 

1420
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,240
will see you then. 
Excalibur.