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Yes, well, this is certainly a 
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Meadows. 
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rotten as they come. 
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He uses broken bottles. 
He's that sort of a man. 

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However, I'm not the only actor 
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He plays the pathetically 
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whose car is stolen by my gang. 
Here's the scene where Cummings 

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and Meadows clash for the first 
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What are you once? 
What? 

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My car. 
You think I've got it? 

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I know you've got it. 
The police don't think so 

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directly. 
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there. 
So now he tries Tommy, a 

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youngster who Meadows pays to 
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Tommy is played by Adam Faith, 
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as a talented singer of pop 
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I think that Adam in this film 
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Well, look who's there. 
The lipstick there. 

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What are you? 
I want to talk to you about my 

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car. 
Well, as you get out, that old 

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man Alfie told me you took it. 
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Look what happened to him. 
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And you're in it, Tommy. 
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my car is and who's got it. 
I'll have to tell the police. 

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I'll keep you out of it. 
Look, Mr. And no cost has split 

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on anybody. 
It was Meadows, wasn't it? 

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Leave me alone. 
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Hello and welcome to Goon Pod, a
podcast with all the warmth and 

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appeal of a squashed Terrapin. 
My name is Tyler Adams and 

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joining me this week is 
returning guest Scott Phipps. 

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Good morning, Tyler. 
I love that reference. 

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By the way. 
We will talk about that scene at

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some point, hopefully. 
Always set my teeth on edge 

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there. 
Hiya, Scott. 

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Good to good to get you back. 
Good to be back. 

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Thank you. 
Yes, prolific podcaster. 

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Scott Phipps. 
Oh, slowing down a little bit in

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the old age, mate. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So OK, I always have to do this.
So we've got Real Britannia, 

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we've got Stinking Paws, we've 
got Rainbow Valley and of 

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course, Talking Pictures TV 
podcast. 

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That's it. 
There's. 

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There is no more, thankfully. 
Yeah, some of them not as 

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regular as they used to be. 
You know, some are spaced out 

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throughout the year, some are 
monthly, some are bimonthly. 

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Yeah, I've been doing this now. 
Celebrating my 11th year of 

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podcasting this year and still 
loving every minute of it mate. 

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It's addictive, isn't it? 
It is addictive. 

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It's it's a strange hobby when 
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do, firstly they're intrigued, 
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you know, and, and and then 
they, they sort of wonder why 

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you actually do it. 
You know, what's what's the 

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appeal of sitting in front of a 
microphone? 

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But when I tell them it's, it's,
it's, I don't know, it's more of

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a social thing for me. 
Talking to you, for example, you

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know, these, this is how I'm 
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having a wonderful chat about a 
fantastic movie, which I never 

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would have had the opportunity 
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So yeah, looking, looking 
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Absolutely. 
I mean, it's a hoary old cliche,

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but it is the new sitting in the
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Saturday afternoon talking about
TV and films. 

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It's, it's the Tony Hancock, the
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It's like friends all over the 
world done in this country, but 

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friends all over the world. 
Hey Scott, ain't we got fun 

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today? 
This. 

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Is great. 
I'm so glad who chose this. 

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Was it me or you I. 
Think it might have been you? 

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Yeah, because it's a piece. 
We're discussing a Peter Sellers

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film again this week, so brace 
yourselves, listeners, for for 

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boffo laughs. 
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No, no if if if you've never 
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warn the listener now that it's 
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movie performance, is it? 
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No, it's it's the 1960 film 
Never Let Go. 

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It's not to be confused with I. 
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Halle Berry film in the cinemas 
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Go. 
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Google searches when you try and
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Yeah, it's not, It's not. 
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remake of. 
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It No, I read the. 
I read the the synopsis. 

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I don't think it is. 
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mentioned. 
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So this has never let go. 
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background to the film. 
So Sellers was inching ever 

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closer to International Film 
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In 1960, early in the year, he'd
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shop steward Fred Kite in I'm 
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comedy and the Kite character 
had comedic flourishes, of 

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course, he had more depth than 
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happened. 
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the eyes. 
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vulnerability and even timidity,
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bluster and the sloganeering and
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dimensional character I suppose,
than you know the. 

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Likes of it's one of my favorite
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The the portrayal of Kite is 
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anyway, in regards to, you know,
British cinema history, it's one

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of the greatest, you know, 
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And he's he's down to Sellers 
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this is the whole thing that 
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himself. 
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And so he was developing into 
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damn fine actor and confounding 
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previously airily dismissed him 
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And and also he was really, you 
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himself. 
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was on the skids and the 
paycheck was big enough, like, 

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you know, the return of the Pink
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But at this time, he was he was 
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there and try different things. 
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fairly safe little British 
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the Sexes and and Two Way 
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But then he was offered a chance
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a totally straight role in a 
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This was a role which required 
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despicably violent boss of a 
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guess, and he grabbed this 
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He wasn't the first choice, was 
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It was a reversal of roles, 
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I read though because it. 
It was, yeah. 

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Wasn't Richard Todd originally 
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And Sellers were slated to play 
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Absolutely. 
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look of the the the villain role
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swap, which very similar thing 
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with Lionel Jeffries. 
Yes, yes, I remember that. 

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Few years later now I'm not. 
I've seen Richard Totten things 

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like the Dam Busters. 
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I, I, I haven't seen him in a 
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the chops to play the villain in
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To me, he's always stiff British
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military. 
You know, he's in the longest 

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day. 
Everybody was in the Longest 

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Day, but you know, that was 
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You know, he could have been, he
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longest day, couldn't he? 
Exactly this. 

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This is the thing he he's got 
that air of military competence,

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you know, So for him to play 
something nasty, I don't know, I

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can't remember seeing him in 
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villain. 
You know, he was he was Robin 

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Hood in in a couple of movies. 
You know, he's that sort of 

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character. 
The I always sort of put in the 

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same bracket and say a lot of 
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He's he's that sort of that sort
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And yeah, I mean, for him to 
play a villain, I think would 

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have been jarring. 
But then again, for Sellers to 

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play a villain is equally as 
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I mean, we'll talk about this as
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It's it's, it's the thing that 
has attracted me to this movie 

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when I first discovered it was 
just how different a performance

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Sellers puts into this movie. 
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a bit because you don't know 
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because it is not your typical 
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Absolutely not in this film at 
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You'll always do what I say, 
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Because I know how to handle 
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Clean this place up for me 
Jackie, will you? 

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I like to see everything nice 
and clean and tidy. 

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He'd never OK he'd played comedy
villains. 

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I suppose he'd the film before 
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filmed before this was two way 
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prison doing. 
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I mean, there's always yeah it. 
Was a comedy, a comedy wrong in 

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basically, but he he played 
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killers again, who was a bit of 
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And but then there's the there's
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show a bit of. 
Yeah, Edge, doesn't he? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
But for for most people, when 

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you say like Peter Sellers is 
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pearly gates in wrong armour, 
the law or or dodge Elaine in 

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two way stretch, as you say. 
And this performance, it is just

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played through gritted teeth. 
It's an absolutely believable 

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air of menace throughout this 
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watched it the other night, and 
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amazing this guy was. 
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that maybe when this film was in
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He said he's considering this 
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the part of a real horror, a 
real nasty bit of work, a role 

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which is entirely different from
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so far. 
Now Roger Lewis, the great Roger

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Lewis, he contends that he 
thinks picture this. 

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He contends Sellers should have 
played both roles. 

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Oh, Doctor Strangelove. 
Excellent. 

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Yeah. 
Can you imagine that that would 

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have worked? 
It would have worked. 

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Yeah, well, how would that have 
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they're rolling around on the 
floor of the garage? 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, one of the best parts of 

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the movie, actually, That fight.
Is, yeah, we'll come to that. 

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So, OK, so this is I suppose 
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noir thriller maybe or. 
Yeah, I've, I've got a bit of a 

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contention with that because 
I've seen it described as a 

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British film noir. 
For me, it's British cinema. 

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Take on the bicycle thieves. 
You think, think about it, 

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right? 
There's honest, hard working 

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family. 
Man has his only means of 

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transport stolen, unable to work
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You know, that's at the heart of
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Yes. 
For me though, there's a lot of 

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influence from the kitchen sink 
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like the Social Problem movies 
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at this point in time. 
But the Brit movie that sorry, 

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but the Brit noire thing for me.
Bear with me on this. 

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I think it's more a modern day 
British equivalent of a western,

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right? 
Yes, yes, think about it, right?

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Clint Eastwood, for example, 
gets his horse stolen, goes into

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town to get it back, ends up 
clashing with the local gang of 

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villains, and then there's some 
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confrontation with Lee Van Cleef
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that. 
You know, transpose that to 60s 

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London, swap the horse for a 
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Eastwood and you've got High 
Planes Drifter or or High Noon 

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or something like that. 
It is very, very sort of like 

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Western influenced but in 60s 
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And I think I've seen somebody 
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reminded them of a Western plot.
But as I say, there's also this 

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Bicycle Thieves thing that runs 
through the whole thing as well.

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Yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah, No, I definitely agree. 

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Now you put it like that because
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such a thing as British film, 
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a bit earlier in, you know, 
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early 50s films with them. 
What's his name? 

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William Hartnell where he's 
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All of those sort of like Bright
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Basil did and directed Social 
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Pool of London, all of those 
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The police procedurals as well, 
you know, they'll have Jack 

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Warner or somebody like that in 
them as well. 

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And there's a big influence from
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the gang of teenagers, you know,
are prevalent throughout this 

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film as well. 
So that was always a theme of a 

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lot of movies, particularly sort
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got Cliff Richard started 
acting, Adam Faith and all those

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all those pop performers are are
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careers as well. 
Well, it's all the fault of 

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Rock'n'roll. 
Because it I, I bless Bill 

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Hailey. 
Yeah, it. 

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It ushered in the teenager, 
didn't it? 

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And and then skiffle and and 
teddy boys and Oh dear. 

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Yeah, we think about we, we're 
1960. 

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So all of those kids that were 
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returned home from the war, 
Yeah, were the first teenagers. 

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You know, the word teenager 
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They never existed, you know, 
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early 20s and it's the end of 
rationing. 

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Things are good at the moment. 
I mean, I'll give you a bit of a

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Rainbow Valley 60s type overview
of what's going on here mate, 

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because 1960 did the Lady 
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contraceptive pill, the 
permissive age has started this 

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year and it's evident in 
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and certainly in the cinema. 
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grittier edge now the barriers 
are being knocked down. 

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And for this it's it's just a 
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plus years later still has a 
punch. 

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It still packs a punch, this 
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were to show this to to one of 
your kids and say I'm going to 

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show you a movie from 1960, I 
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at how violent and how gritty 
this actually is. 

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I was also I was struck re 
watching it the other night. 

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They seem to get away with a lot
of bastards or. 

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Bastards definitely, didn't 
they? 

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Yeah, this, this is the year of 
Psycho. 

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You think about the first movie 
to feature a flushing toilet. 

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This is my microphone. 
This is one of my favorite film 

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facts of all time. 
And Peeping Tom, you know, the, 

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the movie that killed Michael 
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It killed it for him, you know, 
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some people. 
So, you know, 1960s, definitely 

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the turning point. 
You know, we refer to it on 

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Rainbow Valley as the decade 
that shook the world. 

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And it did in all aspects of, of
culture. 

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Yeah. 
Totally, because you look at the

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the quote teenagers in this 
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wearing. 
Yep. 

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Fast forward to 69. 
The the the contrast teenagers 

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the same age at the end of the 
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they'd be wearing. 
Absolutely chalk and cheese. 

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Yeah, we've we've got a great, 
great friend on Real Britannia 

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that comes over quite often who 
hosts the John Lennon podcast 

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Answer. 
Yeah. 

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And he always says, what do you 
think about it? 

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The Beatles recording career was
only like 62 to 69, seven years.

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And then you look at, as you're 
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62, actually in 1960, where 
they're in Hamburg at the 

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moment. 
They're dressed in leather. 

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You know, that was how they 
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And then you see the Sergeant 
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long haired get back era, you 
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building. 
Yeah. 

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And and like you say, it's, it's
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go from what we've got here to 
what happens at the end of the 

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end of the decade. 
Yeah. 

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Well. 
OK, we're in 2024. 

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Now you think back to 2014. 
Yeah, people probably more or 

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less look the same. 
I don't know we are we getting 

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older and we don't notice my are
they but they probably. 

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I say I'm still wearing the same
trousers I wore. 

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I've got a T-shirt older than my
daughter upstairs. 

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Yes. 
But oh, look, I mean, yeah, it 

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was like you say, it was such a 
impactful decade, the 60s. 

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This is this is right at the 
beginning of it. 

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And it was. 
It was devised and directed by 

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John Gwilliman. 
Yep. 

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Who he's he's responsible for 
some of my favorite films, 

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actually. 
Like I'm a I'm a big fan of I 

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was Monty's double. 
Yes. 

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In fact, when you first came on 
to Goon Pod, it was to talk 

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about I was Monty's treble, 
wasn't it? 

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Which it? 
Was. 

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It was. 
Which was the goon's take on 

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that? 
Yeah, it was, yeah. 

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He also directed the day they 
robbed the Bank of England, 

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which? 
That's a great film. 

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I haven't seen that for so long.
Yeah. 

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And a guilty pleasure of buying 
the remake of King Kong, wasn't 

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he? 
I think he was. 

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He was that was that was with 
Jessica Lang, was that. 

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Jeff Bridges. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And he also did Death on the 
Nile, the Houston of Death on 

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the Nile, which is brilliant. 
And he worked with Sellers a 

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couple of years after this on 
Waltz of the Toreadors. 

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I've. 
Never seen it. 

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I I've it was one of those I saw
it when I was younger. 

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I haven't seen it for probably 
35 years. 

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I'll I'll have to rewatch it for
this at some. 

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I might be pleasantly surprised 
when I rewatch it, who knows. 

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But he got the idea for this 
film because his car was stolen,

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right? 
And he mentioned it to a 

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producer and they discussed what
would happen if your livelihood 

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was thrown into disarray because
your car had been nicked. 

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So that's what that's what gave 
him the idea. 

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They gave it to this guy called 
Alan Faulkner to turn into a 

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script. 
Now, I, I tried looking up, you 

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know, about this guy, Alan 
Faulkner couldn't really find 

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anything other than the fact 
that he, he's a New Zealander, 

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but he didn't seem to write very
much apart from this. 

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So I'm not quite sure about his,
his pedigree. 

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But originally the, this film 
was going to be called The 

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Moment of Truth. 
And filming began in November 

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1959. 
And that was just prior to the 

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10th series of the Goon show 
beginning. 

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And much of the shooting took 
place in, I guess, the 

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Paddington area of London. 
Yeah, which I think is sort of 

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roughly the same sort of area 
that the Lady Killers is set as 

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well. 
Yes, I think you're right. 

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Yeah, of course that the the the
contrast there is that's in in 

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glorious colour, whereas this is
this is very much grainy, gritty

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monochrome. 
Yeah. 

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So we'll talk, I want to talk 
through the film, OK. 

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And we can talk about the the 
the various actors as they as 

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they come up. 
OK. 

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But before I do and let's let's 
talk about the fact that the 

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opening and closing credits 
feature the song, which I I 

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thought was quite unusual, but 
then once you actually get into 

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film, you kind of understand it 
when Johnny comes marching home.

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When Johnny comes marching home 
again. 

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Oh yeah. 
Oh yeah, don't give them a 

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swinging welcome then. 
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, the girls are 

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screaming, the boys are 
shouting. 

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The old Fox 2 will all turn up 
and they'll all go, man when 

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Johnny comes mounting home. 
Will a ball be head when Johnny 

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comes mounting home? 
He actually, Adam Fyfe actually 

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had a hit with that. 
It was a AA side. 1960 was 

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dominated. 
The UK charts were dominated by 

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Adam Fyfe, Cliff Richard and 
Tony Newly. 

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Anthony Newly I think were the 
three main contenders at the top

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of the chart that year. 
Faith had just had the Christmas

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#1 he's first number one I think
in the October in 59. 

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And he goes on to have a further
two number ones and three top 

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five singles this year. 
This is a AA side he released. 

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And interestingly, I mean, it's 
it's John Barry who was his 

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arranger and his backing group 
throughout 60 to about 62, I 

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think. 
Yeah. 

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Like it's a traditional American
folk song, isn't it? 

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We sort of associated with the 
American military, don't we? 

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I think credited as the writer 
of the song of the new lyrics is

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a guy called John Maitland. 
OK. 

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John Maitland was a pseudonym 
for Lionel Bar. 

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Oh. 
And there's no explanation as to

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why he goes under the name of of
Maitland for this. 

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Well, well, Oliver began this 
year, didn't it? 

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Certainly, 5960, I'm sure it 
was. 

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Yeah, yeah, OK. 
Well, you say about it being a 

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military having military 
connotations. 

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The melody features quite 
prominently in Doctor 

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Strangelove. 
It does. 

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It does and Die Hard 3 as well. 
I had three. 

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Which one's that with the 
Vengeance? 

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Yeah, the one with. 
Sam Sam Jackson in it is that 

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the. 
One that one, yeah. 

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It's so that's it's the theme 
tune to Jeremy Irons every time 

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Jeremy Irons appears. 
It is absolutely. 

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Yes. 
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 

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OK. 
So you mentioned Adam Faith 

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there. 
Now Adam Faith, as you say, 

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riding high in the charts. 
Teen idol, future, future star 

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of Budgie. 
And what's that thing called? 

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Love Hurts with Zoe. 
Want to make it? 

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Yeah, never watched it, but yes,
yeah, yeah. 

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But perhaps best known to people
like me as being a fierce critic

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of Channel 5's output until it's
a timely death. 

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I think that was his last words.
What was it? 

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Something along the lines of he 
was he was watching television 

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and he said something like, why 
is everything on Channel 5 so 

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shit? 
That's the effect or words that 

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effect. 
But and then, and then he, and 

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then he promptly turned up his 
stairs, sadly. 

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We we watched him recently. 
People forget he appeared in 

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this. 
He appeared in Mcvicar with 

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Roger Daltrey. 
I didn't remember that. 

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Yes, he's he's he's best mate, 
Roger Daltrey's best mate in the

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prison, right. 
Helps, helps him escape. 

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Yeah. 
And he's and he, he dyes his 

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hair black in the movie that, 
that, that white hair that he's 

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famous for. 
And he's very good in it. 

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Actually, it's, it's very good 
performance. 

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I mean, I loved him in Budgie 
above talking pictures of 

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showing Budgie at the moment. 
And it's certainly worth going 

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back to and catching it again 
because to me it was the 

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precursor to Minder. 
And in some ways he's better 

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than Minder. 
It's that sort of relationship 

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between the between the dodgy 
spiv and the and he's in his 

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lackey basically. 
So yes, so Adam Faith, he heads 

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up this group of youths in this 
film and and we see him stealing

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a, a Ford Anglia from a busy 
street right at the beginning. 

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And this is a robbery to order 
because Faith's character who's 

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called rather implausibly Tommy 
Towers. 

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Tommy Towers just sounds to me 
like, I don't know. 

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It just sounds like a circus act
or something. 

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I don't know. 
Yeah. 

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Music Hall act. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Tommy Tout So he supplies local 
businessman and garage owner 

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Lionel Meadows, which is which 
is Peter Sellers with a smile 

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and a snarl. 
He supplies him with stolen 

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vehicles because Meadows well 
Meadows business is the the 

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legitimate front for this 
criminal enterprise and Meadows 

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buys the log books from scrapped
cars and has corresponding 

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models well resprayed and given 
you plates essentially. 

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And we also see quite early on 
in this this beginning sequence,

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David Lodge, who was in 
Cockleshell Heroes I. 

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Was waiting for that. 
He, he, he's, he's got a 

450
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,120
prominent role as, as Meadows 
trusted #2 Cliff. 

451
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,400
Yep. 
And Cliff provides the muscle 

452
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,240
and menace when, when Meadows is
too busy because, you know, 

453
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,640
Meadows isn't too shabby himself
when it comes to the muscle and 

454
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,280
menace. 
And it's never made explicit. 

455
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,680
But the implication is I felt 
that the two of them go way 

456
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,120
back. 
There seems to be this mutual 

457
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,760
respect rather than the the a 
sort of like a like a 

458
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,440
subordinate relationship between
Cliff and Meadows. 

459
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,720
If we were to to overthink this,
they were probably army buddies.

460
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,800
Absolutely. 
Yeah, That's what I was 

461
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,400
thinking. 
That's probably the back story, 

462
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:49,000
yeah. 
Keep knocking next time. 

463
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,200
Sorry, I thought you want to 
know. 

464
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,840
He's still outside. 
He was still outside. 

465
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,800
That little knock who brought 
the coppers here? 

466
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,280
So Tommy's nicked this Ford 
Anglia, but he made the mistake,

467
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:11,000
ultimately of choosing a Ford 
Anglia that belonged to terminal

468
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,280
loser John. 
Cummings. 

469
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,360
Yeah. 
He's not the luckiest man in the

470
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:16,560
world, is he? 
No. 

471
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,640
And we say you said before 
about, so it's played by, I was 

472
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:24,680
going to say Robert, Robert, 
Ted, Richard Todd, Richard Todd,

473
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,280
who who's known, I guess, Yeah, 
pretty much known for these 

474
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,280
dashing roles or these these war
heroes and plucky Britishers in 

475
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,400
in, in all these strings of 
films up to this point. 

476
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,440
But he's playing this this 
cosmetic salesman. 

477
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,440
Yeah. 
Working for this firm called 

478
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:50,600
Burgess and without his car he 
he can't perform his job and and

479
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,280
not being great at his job in 
the 1st place he's pretty short 

480
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,960
of hackers. 
So he's he's neglected to insure

481
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,840
the vehicle against theft, which
is key. 

482
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,160
He's he's always on the edge of 
of being sacked, isn't he? 

483
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,800
Or being taken over by the 
younger. 

484
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,720
Yes. 
Salesman and he's his boss has 

485
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,400
certainly got wind of this and 
he's he's got it in for him from

486
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,320
the start to be honest you know 
Peter Jones yes well he's the 

487
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,200
boss's son isn't he Peter Jones 
he's going to be taking over the

488
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,240
whole running of well he's. 
Taken over from the from his 

489
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,840
governor and and he's decided 
that he's going to, he's going 

490
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,160
to impose his authority by 
making cost cutting exercises 

491
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,080
and and poor John Cummings, 
Richard Todd is squarely in his 

492
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,760
sights. 
Yeah, yeah, he's, he's on his 

493
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,280
hit list that you know, there's,
there's some up and coming 

494
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,160
younger, more hungry salesman on
the on the team and and there's 

495
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,960
no room for poor old Richard 
Todd in in the business. 

496
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,880
I'm just thinking if I mean, 
he's really, you know, Robert 

497
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,280
Todd, Robert Todd, Richard Todd 
love, you know, oh, sorry, John 

498
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,280
Cummings, the character he plays
is is is a is someone in his I 

499
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,560
guess what is he? 
Is he in his? 

500
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,880
30s if it's one of those bizarre
things of the, you know, this 

501
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,320
era of movie that everybody 
looks so much older. 

502
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,840
We've said this before, mate, 
haven't we? 

503
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,760
You know, school kids in police 
are being played by 30 year olds

504
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,080
and stuff like that. 
Richard Todd, perpetually old, 

505
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,280
you know, he's one of those. 
He just had that old face. 

506
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,120
And I'm going to definitely look
this up in a second to find out 

507
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:26,240
when he was born, but I bet. 
Well, I know when he was born, 

508
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,440
1919. 
Oh, well then. 

509
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,920
So he's faulty then, isn't it? 
So he's. 

510
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,320
Just over 40. 
Well, yeah, he's about 40. 

511
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:33,040
Yeah. 
So. 

512
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:38,440
But he, but I'm assuming he's 
probably playing in his 30s. 

513
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,720
Got a bit. 
But I'm just thinking, you know,

514
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,680
20 years later, if he was still 
in sales, I'm thinking he he'd 

515
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,960
probably be a bit like the Jack 
Lemmon character from Glengarry 

516
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,320
Glen Ross. 
Yes. 

517
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,880
Yeah. 
The one that's always been 

518
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,080
there. 
Just Shelly Levine. 

519
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,760
Yeah. 
Yeah, I've met a few people like

520
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,760
that because years ago I worked 
in a sales office years years 

521
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,080
ago and, and there was a couple 
of older guys, shall we say, who

522
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,640
probably my age now, for God's 
sake. 

523
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,760
But they they were, you know, we
used to sort of tissue behind 

524
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,080
our hands when they walked in 
because, you know, they were, 

525
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,280
they were not very good and they
were verging on desperation. 

526
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,680
Scott, actually, let me ask you 
this. 

527
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,080
Have you ever had a car stolen? 
I don't drive. 

528
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,760
Oh, you don't drive? 
Oh, no. 

529
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,480
OK. 
I don't think I know anybody 

530
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,960
that has. 
Well, I really you've had 

531
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,160
personally had experience in 
this. 

532
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,120
OK, I. 
Have, I'll very briefly tell you

533
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:42,120
this OK, because it's so I years
ago I, I had a, a, a pool car 

534
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,520
from work. 
There was a, we had a car at 

535
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,040
work where whoever needs to go 
out to meet clients took took 

536
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:55,560
the BMW and because I was deemed
responsible, I was allowed to by

537
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,520
default sort of take it home 
every night. 

538
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,720
Right. 
OK, But obviously I'd have to 

539
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,000
relinquish it if someone needed 
it. 

540
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,600
But anyway, but I, I remember 
driving home one night, parking 

541
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,040
in the driveway the next morning
came downstairs. 

542
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,560
We've got like this frosted 
glass front door and you can see

543
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,960
you're going to sort of come 
down the come down the stairs. 

544
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,840
And it didn't didn't strike me 
that there should be a sort of a

545
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,160
shape through that frosted 
glass. 

546
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,840
You know, went into the kitchen,
had cup of coffee, went out, 

547
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:34,480
opened the front door. 
No car been been half inched and

548
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,680
it turned up. 
Six months later got a phone 

549
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,000
call from Manchester Police to 
say that it it it turned up. 

550
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,560
It had been used in a drive by 
in rush home. 

551
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,560
There were bullet holes in it, 
yeah. 

552
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,200
OK. 
But yeah, but I tell you what, 

553
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,200
there's no feeling that that 
that my heart was in my mouth 

554
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,000
the moment I opened the door and
saw this driveway with no car 

555
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,440
occupying it. 
It was the worst. 

556
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,200
Thing, I mean, I, I've got a 
very dear friend of mine, Paul, 

557
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,920
who Co hosts stinking paws with 
me and I'm always joking with 

558
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,120
him that he's so reliant on his 
car. 

559
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,960
He used to, he used to work 10 
minutes from his house, a 10 

560
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,680
minute walk and he would drive, 
you know, he's that reliant. 

561
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,440
He will pop down to the corner 
shop in his car all the time. 

562
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,320
And we go on holiday quite 
often, most years together. 

563
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,760
And I'm a I'm a big fan of 
walking. 

564
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,840
I don't, I love the old, you 
know, seaside walks and country 

565
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,960
walks and stuff like that when 
I'm on all day and visiting 

566
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,520
places and having a good Rep 
because you seaboard, don't you,

567
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,200
rather than in, in, in the car 
behind the wheel, you know, you 

568
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,200
don't see as much. 
And he, he just really begrudges

569
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,880
the fact that he's not sitting 
behind that wheel sometimes. 

570
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,360
And and it's like losing your 
right arm. 

571
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Like that's how I can imagine it
being apart from the expense of,

572
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,080
of loss of a car when you're 
used to the convenience of it 

573
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,680
was was I'm just used to public 
transport and walking. 

574
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,400
I can imagine like in your 
situation, you relied on it for 

575
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,440
work similar to this. 
So there's that aspect of it as 

576
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,640
well as the financial side of 
things as well. 

577
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:23,000
OK, So we've got John Cummings, 
Rob, Richard, Todd. 

578
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,160
I'm going to keep calling him 
Robert. 

579
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,240
I'm sorry. 
Shall we just call him Robert 

580
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:26,720
Todd? 
Robert. 

581
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,480
Yeah. 
Is there a Robert Todd? 

582
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,360
That I'm accusing him with 
probably. 

583
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,720
Is so he's married, So his 
character is is married to a 

584
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,320
woman who who serves to give 
both John or she calls him 

585
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,560
Johnny. 
She gives him the love and 

586
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,640
attention that he needs, but she
also reminds him of his 

587
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,920
deficiencies and I find it, 
quite frankly, a bit annoying. 

588
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,120
Yes, I can agree with that 
actually, yeah. 

589
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,720
She's a bit too, I don't know, 
just ploying. 

590
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,600
She's played by Elizabeth 
Sellers, no relation, and I'm 

591
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,640
sure her character has a name 
but I can't remember what it is.

592
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,680
She given a name. 
She is. 

593
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,240
Anne. 
Oh, there's Ironic, considering 

594
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,560
seller's wife was called Anne. 
There you go. 

595
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,160
Yeah. 
And and so they have a couple of

596
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,720
small children, including 
including former Doctor Who film

597
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,840
star Roberto Tovey. 
Yes. 

598
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,480
Yeah, I spotted that. 
Yeah, because she would go on to

599
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,000
do the two Dalek movies with 
Peter Cushing. 

600
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440
Yes. 
Is she in relation to like, 

601
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,800
what's her name? 
Russell Tovey. 

602
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,880
I think she is. 
I think I look this up because I

603
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,000
thought that was so much of A 
coincidence because Russell 

604
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,440
Tovey appeared in a lot of the, 
the earlier of the reboot Doctor

605
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,520
Who stuff and Torchwood. 
I think he was in as well. 

606
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,400
Couple of episodes of that. 
OK, I, I, I remember looking 

607
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,120
that up, but I can't remember 
what the outcome was. 

608
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,960
I think there is some sort of 
relationship there, yeah. 

609
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,320
OK, well, she's not really, we 
don't really see her in this 

610
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,640
film, although she is there. 
There's a scene where she's 

611
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:05,200
suitably terrified by Peter 
Sellers in the film and well, 

612
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,160
who's to say she wasn't 
terrified by him off screen as 

613
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,560
well? 
Because it's it's fairly well 

614
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,880
documented that that Sellers 
took the the Lionel Meadows 

615
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,000
character home with him and 
caused no end to bother with his

616
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,320
wife and kids by his his. 
Well, he basically was, yeah, 

617
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,000
basically playing the character 
at home, raging, throwing vases,

618
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:34,760
and generally being a Dick. 
And what with that and the the 

619
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Sophia Loren business, which was
to come along very soon, that 

620
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,639
pretty much was the beginning of
the end for his first marriage. 

621
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,159
Yeah, yeah, it it was. 
He had the the the affair Well, 

622
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,320
desperately wanted the affair 
with Sophia. 

623
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,440
But but but does he say about 
the affair? 

624
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,600
Do we? 
I mean, we don't know. 

625
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,840
Did did Ann Sellers his wife at 
the time? 

626
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,080
Did she even know about the fact
that he was having it away with 

627
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,880
Carol White, who played troubled
teenage Run Away Jackie? 

628
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,480
Carol White was. 
Carol White was having it away 

629
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,320
with everybody. 
She seems so Adam, Faith, Faith 

630
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:14,080
Faith Richard Todd. 
She wasn't evident away with 

631
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,160
John Lamezier as well, was she? 
And the old guy that played 

632
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,600
Alfie. 
Oh well, John Lamezier, you 

633
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,320
know, he, he deserved a bit of 
luck after his wife, his wife 

634
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,960
left him for No. 
Was it Tony Hancock's wife left?

635
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,240
No. 
Who? 

636
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,480
Who left Who? 
Totally. 

637
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,920
His wife left him for Tony 
Hancock. 

638
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,480
That's right, it was, wasn't it?
Sicily or Sicily? 

639
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,200
Was it Sicily? 
So who was Freddie? 

640
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,120
Freddie was it I, I, I'm not an 
expert on Hancock. 

641
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,160
But yeah, but he stuck by her, 
didn't he, John? 

642
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,120
The measure. 
He stuck by his wife even after 

643
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,240
she left. 
Him, as he did with Hattie. 

644
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,680
With Hattie Jakes as well. 
Yeah, yeah. 

645
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,160
Carol Wyatt, child actress. 
Originally she was in a couple 

646
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,040
of the Saint Trinians. 
She was one of the kids in Carry

647
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,520
On Teacher she was. 
She was young Sabella in kind 

648
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,800
hearts and coronets. 
She was, she was, which we 

649
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,440
reviewed on Real Britannia a 
couple of weeks back. 

650
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,640
She was predicted to have a 
massive career that they sort of

651
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,880
pushed her into being almost a 
version of Julie Christie. 

652
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,000
You know, this was the 
expectations that Carol and 

653
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,960
there was glimpses of it. 
I mean, Kathy come home is 

654
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,600
amazing BBC play that, you know,
is, is more of a movie than a 

655
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,240
play. 
She was in poor cow, you know, 

656
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,960
the the last of the sort of true
sort of British kitchen sink 

657
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,120
dramas. 
And and she went off to 

658
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,240
Hollywood, had a little bit of a
career, you know, but it wasn't 

659
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,440
anything spectacular. 
And and she died tragically 

660
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,200
young, I think in the early 90s,
substance misuse and alcoholism.

661
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:54,240
She was, she was plagued by, by 
alcohol issues and never really 

662
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,640
got further than this. 
You know, she had a couple of 

663
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,440
really great years following 
this and Kathy come home, as I 

664
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,280
say, is an amazing performance, 
but never really amounted to 

665
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,200
anything unfortunately. 
No, but like you say, she was 

666
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,920
keeping busy during the filming 
of this. 

667
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:19,480
It always. 
Movie, yeah, but OK, so so John 

668
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,840
or Johnny Cummings having to 
rely on buses to get him from 

669
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,120
one sales appointment to the 
next is is frequently running 

670
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,800
late and is is winding up 
important department store 

671
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:36,000
procurement managers like the 
aforementioned John the 

672
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,280
Measurer. 
And as as you said, Peter Jones,

673
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,280
his his boss gives him an 
ultimatum if his performance 

674
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:49,720
doesn't improve, he's out. 
And you see him trying to appeal

675
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:53,040
to Peter Jones's better nature. 
Well, I think I can surprise 

676
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,880
you, Mr. Berger. 
We've had a lot of complaints. 

677
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,360
Complaints. 
Yes. 

678
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,480
You've been late for 
appointments. 

679
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,440
Well, it has happened, I know, 
Mr. Berger, once or twice. 

680
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,600
It's damn difficult getting 
around these days. 

681
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,400
That's not just a question of 
getting around. 

682
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,120
There are new methods of 
salesmanship today, convincing 

683
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,680
people to buy instead of trying 
to pressure. 

684
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,800
Well, I know, I know, I know. 
To be twice as effective. 

685
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,640
There are a number of very 
astute young men coming forward 

686
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,200
in this business. 
Quick, confident. 

687
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,920
I know, and I realise it. 
Because we can't stand still. 

688
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,440
We've got to do better, move 
faster to keep up. 

689
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,520
Exactly, Mr. Berger. 
Exactly. 

690
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,880
That's why I bought a car. 
Well, that's a step in the right

691
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,600
direction. 
When did you get it? 

692
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,440
Last week. 
Good. 

693
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,040
It'll make all the difference, 
Mr. Berger. 

694
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,800
I hope so, Cummings. 
You can't any of us have all to 

695
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,920
stand still. 
No, that's all. 

696
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,800
Good night, Cummings. 
No, Mr. Berger. 

697
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,080
He, he's very much a little man,
isn't he? 

698
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:58,280
And I wanted to ask your opinion
of the there there is a a grand 

699
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,720
tradition of the little man in 
in British cinema and literature

700
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:09,560
and culture, isn't there? 
Yeah, I think what is a bit sort

701
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,280
of disconcerting about this 
movie is we've never seen 

702
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,640
Richard Todd lose in a movie. 
He's never been a loser. 

703
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,760
He's always been a victorious 
military man in most of his 

704
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,640
movies, you know, So to see him 
on the back foot all the time 

705
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:29,160
and actually sort of being quite
simpering and sort of cowering 

706
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,160
sometimes. 
You know, he's he's quite afraid

707
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,320
of, of Peter Jones in a way, 
because he has the power to to 

708
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,200
sack him at any point, you know,
and he makes that quite clear. 

709
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,760
And and the, the way that he he 
sort of toady's up to John the 

710
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,400
measure. 
And it's like John the measure 

711
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,440
has certainly got no time for 
him whatsoever. 

712
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,480
It's like, well, give me that 
sample. 

713
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,400
I'll I'll put it with all the 
others you've given me and all 

714
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,720
that sort of stuff. 
And it is a real departure for 

715
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:59,240
Richard Todd in this. 
And he does actually, as you 

716
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:01,920
say, play play the little man 
perfectly in this movie. 

717
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,680
Well, he's cracking wise with 
the with the counter girls in 

718
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,680
the department store. 
And it made me think a little 

719
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:13,040
bit of, oh, I've forgotten his 
name, Colin Hunt from the fire 

720
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,440
show. 
A little bit, yeah. 

721
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,160
Yeah, there is that element to 
him. 

722
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,200
That desperation to be funny. 
Yeah, it is. 

723
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,240
It is because being a salesman, 
you know, you've got to, to win 

724
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,440
over the person to make the 
sale. 

725
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,840
So he's, he's trying every trick
in the book of, you know, the, 

726
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,560
the, the book of the charm 
school, you know, to, to try and

727
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,680
secure a sale because Altby, 
that's what he needs to do. 

728
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,480
And we know he's short of cash, 
as you say, because he's bought 

729
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,480
the car but can't afford to 
insure it completely. 

730
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:50,120
So we we know that every sale is
is vital for him and he's just 

731
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,800
having barriers put up at every 
single point that he turns. 

732
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,280
Absolutely. 
So he's he's increasingly 

733
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:03,520
desperate to find his car and he
figures that street newspaper 

734
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,920
vendor Alfie, who's this aged 
keeper of terrapins. 

735
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,160
The great Mervyn Johns, father 
of Glynis Johns, who passed away

736
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,040
recently. 
Right now, what would I know him

737
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,920
from? 
Mervyn Johns was in every single

738
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:26,440
British British movie. 
Probably most famous for right 

739
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,560
now. 
I'll tell you what you know him 

740
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,440
from mate. 
He was Bob Cratchie in Alistair 

741
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Sims version of Scrooge. 
Wow. 

742
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,440
OK. 
And. 

743
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:35,280
You know him from. 
Was he? 

744
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,680
Yeah, Blimey. 
OK. 

745
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,400
Yeah. 
And dead of night. 

746
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,720
He's in dead of night. 
That's where you'll probably 

747
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:41,440
know him. 
Yes. 

748
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,600
And I want to say he was in 
seven days to noon, but I'm not 

749
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,040
entirely sure. 
I haven't. 

750
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,600
Seen seven days to noon. 
Is that good? 

751
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,440
Great film. 
Great film, yeah, but Oh yeah, 

752
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,360
the bad bomb Man with the bomb. 
Oh, is that with? 

753
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,920
Do you know what? 
I think I bought that on DVD but

754
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,920
I haven't watched it. 
Has that got someone like not 

755
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,360
Cyril Cusac in it? 
Is that? 

756
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,560
Oh no. 
I think it's Lawrence Naismith, 

757
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,080
I think from Mr. Blunden, I 
think it might. 

758
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,960
Be OK. 
Well, anyway, I'll. 

759
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,200
I'll dig it out. 
I'll dig it out. 

760
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,000
Yeah. 
So he so so he so Alfie is this 

761
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,240
is this newspaper vendor who was
on the street when the Ford 

762
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:26,480
Anglia was nicked. 
So John feels that he must have 

763
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,480
witnessed the robbery. 
And he pleads with him to it. 

764
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,600
You know, at least give him some
sort of information or or a tip 

765
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,280
as to as to who the the perp 
was. 

766
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:41,040
And very reluctantly, Alfie 
indicates that he that he might 

767
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:46,120
like to start his investigations
at the Victory Cafe, which is 

768
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,880
very conveniently situated 
within Vas chucking distance of 

769
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,840
Lionel Beddoe's garage. 
Was that a set or was that a 

770
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:59,320
real St. 
I want to say it now you've 

771
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,120
asked me that. 
I don't know. 

772
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,680
I want to say it's probably a 
set. 

773
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,720
It did did look a bit like it 
was filmed interior. 

774
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,520
Yeah. 
But if it was a set, it's a 

775
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,760
bloody good set because it's 
got, you know, huge roads and 

776
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,680
cars and traffic and everything 
going by. 

777
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,680
And it's a very good set if it 
is or if they've closed off that

778
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,400
particular part of Paddington, 
well done because it's, it's a 

779
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,440
perfect set there. 
You know it's a good saying that

780
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,720
location. 
I don't know what the budget was

781
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,840
for this film. 
I'm guessing it was fairly low 

782
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,560
budget really so it would have 
to to to make a set that good 

783
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,920
would have cost a hell of a lot 
of money. 

784
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,080
Exactly. 
Or was it existing for something

785
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,280
else you know? 
Maybe, maybe so. 

786
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,800
So John or Johnny, What are we 
going to call them? 

787
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,600
Johnny? 
Johnny goes to the CAF. 

788
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,400
It's when Johnny comes marching 
home, isn't? 

789
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,800
He yeah, and he's taunted by 
Tommy and his his gang of tear 

790
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,680
away French, including. 
Did you spot Larry Martin? 

791
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,720
Larry Martin. 
Larry Martin used to appear in 

792
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:03,600
all the old Dick Henry shows, 
didn't he? 

793
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,920
He was. 
Oh, who was he? 

794
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,240
No, he, I tell. 
He was, he was Mr. Mash, and now

795
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,360
you're being so. 
Just about to say, I pictured 

796
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,040
him in a in a grey moustache and
grey hair and that was he. 

797
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,000
He was Arthur English's 
replacement or predecessor. 

798
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,320
Yeah, yeah. 
And, and I, I'm in a crowded 

799
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,800
field of one when I say that I 
prefer Mr. Mesh to Mr. Harmon, 

800
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,880
who is, who is Arthur English. 
But so, and, and this is where 

801
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,280
we find out that Jackie, who's, 
who's Lionel Meadows reluctant 

802
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,000
girlfriend, but she's also 
involved with, with Tommy, yes, 

803
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,240
and Tommy in this. 
And I don't know, I, I, I 

804
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:47,600
remember seeing Budgie, I've 
seen Love Hurts, I suppose, back

805
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,720
in the day, but I don't 
remember. 

806
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,120
I've not. 
I can't say I'm an expert on 

807
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:56,240
Adam Faith's normal speaking 
voice, but in this his voice 

808
00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:00,160
reminded me very much of Danny 
from Wissner when I. 

809
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,520
Oh, he's yeah, because he's got 
that sort of rolling R, hasn't 

810
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,640
he? 
Because he just where Danny says

811
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,920
I had to beat him to death with 
a pair of his own shoes. 

812
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,600
That's it. 
Is that the one and Ozzy Osborne

813
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,240
made me take out all the brown M
and Ms. Is that the? 

814
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,720
Is that what I was like 
something? 

815
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,440
Something like that. 
But it's just, it sounded. 

816
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,840
I just couldn't get that out of 
my head. 

817
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,760
And I was thinking because we 
don't know. 

818
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,160
Tommy goes off at the end of 
this film. 

819
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,360
You know, end of the 60s by 69. 
Was Tommy moaning about them 

820
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,080
selling hippie wigs in 
Woolworths? 

821
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,120
Oh, who knows? 
I mean, did Tommy actually go 

822
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,320
and get a job and become a 
responsible adult? 

823
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,040
We'll never know. 
Burgess Speciality soap. 

824
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,480
All the best tasks in town. 
Use this, Fred. 

825
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,720
He wants to know what sort of 
lipstick we're using. 

826
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,320
Yeah, my partner's got a really 
good idea for making dolls. 

827
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,080
His name's presuming heads. 
It's just to give him the idea 

828
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,920
she got a doll on. 
Christmas what pisses itself. 

829
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:07,600
Really. 
Yeah. 

830
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,320
Then you got to change its 
drawers for it. 

831
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,800
It's horrible, really. 
But they like that, the little 

832
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,920
girls. 
And because of John's nosing 

833
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,720
about Tommy and his gang 
terrorize Alfie. 

834
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,960
Poor Alfie. 
And when when Meadows is told 

835
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,960
about this, he crushes Tommy's 
hand under a record player lid. 

836
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:30,840
Yeah. 
Which, Yeah, and and we, we 

837
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,840
that's the first flash of 
violence. 

838
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,080
It's the first indication, isn't
it, that Sellers is, is 

839
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:43,640
something different here? 
Yes, just prior to that. 

840
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,960
I mean, I remember the very 
first time I saw this, it was 

841
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,600
only a couple of years ago and I
was in the process of sort of 

842
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,040
mopping up a few of the Peter 
Sellers stuff that I hadn't 

843
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,280
seen. 
And this was one of them. 

844
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,400
And the first thing I noticed 
before we go into just how evil 

845
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,960
he he is and becomes his voice, 
He's got this Northern accent 

846
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,080
now as we know, Peter Sellers, 
the master of voices, you know, 

847
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,000
throughout his career. 
And it's quite a distinctive 

848
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,880
Northern accent. 
And we've heard him do Northern 

849
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,080
accents. 
You know, George Formby, you 

850
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,480
know, in particular, he used to 
do quite a decent sort of George

851
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,840
Formby impression and stuff like
that. 

852
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,080
But I don't think we've ever 
heard that voice in a Goon show 

853
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,200
before. 
No, I was watching this the 

854
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:31,320
other night with some friends, 
as I often do, and halfway 

855
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,840
through, I said because I had it
in my head from reading one of 

856
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,400
the books, one of the 
biographies. 

857
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,960
I don't know why. 
I just had it in my head that 

858
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,040
Sellers was doing a 
Leicestershire accent, right, 

859
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,040
OK, now. 
But then I'm halfway through the

860
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,600
film. 
I said, well, what accent? 

861
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,440
Is he actually doing it? 
And there was a bit of an 

862
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,000
argument between US and, but we 
we finally agreed that it was, 

863
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,440
it was indeterminate Northwest. 
OK. 

864
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,920
But that perhaps Meadows, not 
Cellars, but Meadows was trying 

865
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,640
to disguise it or soften it and 
and that it comes out more 

866
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,360
strongly when he's enraged, 
which which is most of the time.

867
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:15,240
Yeah. 
But but yeah, so because I 

868
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:17,320
thought is it, is it kind of 
Liverpool? 

869
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,120
Is it? 
Is it that area? 

870
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,440
It's, it's not Yorkshire, is it?
It's, it's not full blown 

871
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,160
Yorkshire Northern accent. 
And this was the thing because 

872
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,840
it was something that I had 
never heard sellers do before. 

873
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,720
Instantly I was, I was not on 
the back foot, but he was like, 

874
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,320
where are we going with this? 
Because this is something I've 

875
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:48,560
never seen sellers do before. 
And then within minutes, we just

876
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,320
get to see just how evil he 
actually is. 

877
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,000
You know, as he crushes Adam 
Faye's hand, that the lecherous 

878
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,040
look that he gives Jackie, where
he takes her top off, one of the

879
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:04,320
creepiest things he's ever done.
And, and you saying earlier 

880
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,920
about even taking the character 
home and breaking vases and 

881
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,400
things like that. 
A little bit later on after 

882
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,240
this, you know, where he forces 
his way into Richard Todd's 

883
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,480
apartment and threatens him with
a broken vase. 

884
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,080
I'm, I'm convinced he would have
killed Richard Todd if if they 

885
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,000
weren't disturbed at that point.
And and as I say, it's just 

886
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,080
something that we haven't seen 
from sailors before. 

887
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:26,080
And I think the voice is a is a 
big part of it. 

888
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,600
Sailors is the best thing in 
this movie. 

889
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,320
Head and shoulders above 
everybody else. 

890
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Oh, he is. 
I mean, that's not a comedy 

891
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,800
voice, No, but yeah, so when 
when he so he crashes Tommy's 

892
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,400
hand because he's displeased 
with him. 

893
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:45,600
But but Hot foots at to to 
Alfie's patch and he he breaks 

894
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,240
into his room above a pub and 
then terrorises poor old Alfie 

895
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,200
even more. 
And that's where we see this. 

896
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,440
Oh dear, this this terrible 
scene where he crushes one of 

897
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,520
his terrapins under foot. 
You actually see it as well. 

898
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,800
It's not like it's on the 
screen. 

899
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,800
It's horrible. 
Yeah, by the way, when Lionel 

900
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,520
Meadows is in the in the pub. 
Yeah. 

901
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,040
So he excuses himself on the 
pretence that he wants to use 

902
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,400
the outdoor Privy, but it's it's
his. 

903
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,440
It's his way of so he can break 
into Alfie's. 

904
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,600
Yeah, horrible, horrible little 
room. 

905
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,000
But he tells the now, what's the
barmaid? 

906
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,960
Marian Stone. 
It is Marian Stone, the Duchess.

907
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:31,800
It is the Duchess 272 TVA movie 
appearances. 

908
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,320
We love this woman. 
You know full well, don't you, 

909
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,840
That. 
Yeah, we we have a thing on Real

910
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,760
Britannia called the Village 
Hall of Fame. 

911
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,720
Yeah, we can't afford a real 
Hall of Fame. 

912
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:43,880
You know, we've just got a 
village hall. 

913
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,240
We had this stupid idea seven 
years ago when we started Real 

914
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:52,120
Britannia that anybody that 
appears on the show three times 

915
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,680
gets inducted into the Village 
Hall of Fame. 

916
00:50:55,720 --> 00:51:01,800
Now, I think I've just released 
episode 160 this week, which was

917
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,560
Kiss of the Vampire Hammer 
movie. 

918
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:10,080
Out of the 160 movies that we've
reviewed so far, Marianne Stone 

919
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:16,200
has appeared in 16, well, one in
10, and she's not the top of the

920
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,160
tree. 
I mean, that's Victor Harrington

921
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,480
and Cyril Chamberlain, I think 
he's second. 

922
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,320
And a guy called Fred Wood, it's
all the guy stand, even guy 

923
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,160
stand evens 2. 
That's right, guy stand evens 2.

924
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,160
She is top of the female 
contingent. 

925
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,480
I don't think anyone's going to 
knock her from that position. 

926
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,320
We've got so many more movies 
that she's going to appear in. 

927
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,720
I mean for people that don't 
know, Marion Stone probably best

928
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:45,440
known for Lolita with Sellers. 
Just going to say, we last 

929
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,440
discussed her significantly on 
on when we talked about Lolita 

930
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,680
where she's she's seller's 
companion. 

931
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:56,400
Yeah, she's a reporter or a 
guest in Hard Days night at a 

932
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,960
party where she asks Ringo if 
he's a mod or a rocker. 

933
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,440
That's her. 
No mocha, mocha, mocha. 

934
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,440
Yeah, that's her. 
And the one that most people, 

935
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,040
when I mention it go, Of course 
it's her. 

936
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,440
It's in one of the carry on 
doctors and she's the mother of 

937
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,600
the child that's got the PO 
stuck on his head and he's 

938
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,840
grand. 
He's it back, take it back to 

939
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,360
the grandfather. 
So Jim Dale has to remove it 

940
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,720
from him, and she's the mother. 
Yes, so she so she's got a blink

941
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,680
in your Missa. 
Yeah, parents. 

942
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,040
And this is the barmaid and and 
and Meadows tells her that he's 

943
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,880
going outside to water the 
horse. 

944
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,360
Water the horse, yes. 
Yeah, I'll chuckle with that. 

945
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,920
Yeah. 
Lovely little turn of Fraser. 

946
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,480
And so, yeah, so he's, you know,
he's terrorized Alfie. 

947
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:44,480
And we learned later that Alfie,
broken and his his whole life 

948
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,120
destroyed, gassed himself to 
death. 

949
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,480
So. 
Yeah, so anyone going to The 

950
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,080
Regal in 1960 to see the latest 
Peter Sellers film, expecting a 

951
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,360
cosy little comedy like The 
Mouse That Roared? 

952
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,920
They were going to be 
questioning their decision, 

953
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:03,320
weren't they? 
Around that point maybe they 

954
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,120
should have gone to see Psycho 
Bit Light Affair. 

955
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,840
You know, Peeping Tom, Yeah, 
Actually, can I just say the 

956
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,640
output of of this year, apart 
from the revolutionary, as we 

957
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,600
say, Peeping Tom, Psycho. 
And this I'm I'm going to say is

958
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,240
revolutionary. 
The British film industry was 

959
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:28,760
stuck in a rut because this year
we still get a normal wisdom. 

960
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,080
We get Bulldog Breed, you get 
Doctor in Love. 

961
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,960
Pure hell of Centrinians that 
the comedy output of this year 

962
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,880
is still stuck in the mid 50s. 
Now what Carry On was out in 60?

963
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,080
Was it? 
Was it regardless? 

964
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,400
Was it? 
It's going to be an early one 

965
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,760
like that, a black and white, 
isn't it? 

966
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,200
I mean, spying would have been a
couple of years after because of

967
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:46,720
James Bond. 
Yeah. 

968
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,400
So we were on sort of 
regardless, coming up to 

969
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:55,320
cruising, possibly Teacher would
have been a cabbie before Cabbie

970
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,080
61, I think. 
Yeah. 

971
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,240
But then in America, Spartacus, 
Magnificent 7, you know, it's 

972
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:04,440
the big colourful blockbusters. 
But the British film industry is

973
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,080
still stuck in this rut. 
And This is why this film stands

974
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,520
out as far as I'm concerned, 
because it is something 

975
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,200
different. 
Yeah, but my second favorite 

976
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,240
Peter Sellers film of course 
comes out in 60, which we've 

977
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:15,800
mentioned before. 
Two way stretch. 

978
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,240
Two way stretch. 
My favorite as well. 

979
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,400
Yeah, which came out, which was 
the Sellers film after this. 

980
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,400
Yeah, so or they filmed before 
this? 

981
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,480
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

982
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,440
So John, Johnny, Richard Todd. 
Robert Todd. 

983
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,400
Bloody hell, he'd seen, he'd 
witnessed from a fire. 

984
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,720
Lionel Meadows talking to Alfie.
He he puts two and two together.

985
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:42,280
And this is where he so he he's 
repeatedly attempting to to 

986
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,400
interest the police in his case,
but you've got this rather 

987
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,240
coolly contemptuous inspector 
who's got bigger fish to fry. 

988
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,360
And he recognises that Meadows 
has a wrong end and behind a 

989
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,720
spate of vehicle thefts, but he 
needs time and evidence before 

990
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:04,200
he can finger him for the lot. 
And and John, who's by now 

991
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,360
become almost deranged by the 
successive need to recover his 

992
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,080
car, he's not interested in in 
that. 

993
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,760
He just wants his car back. 
Now that inspector, yeah, I 

994
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,200
recognise him, but I didn't 
recognise him, if you know what 

995
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:17,600
I mean. 
So who? 

996
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:23,320
Who's he? 
It's no Willman man who knew too

997
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,880
much. 
Right what? 

998
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:31,640
The original or the the remake? 
The the 50s one, the remake Dr. 

999
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,400
Zhivago, he was in he was in a 
couple of hammers, right Kiss of

1000
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,280
the vampire Doctor Zhivago, he 
was in as I said, the reptile I 

1001
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,320
think was a hammer. 
He. 

1002
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:46,600
He's, he's very stiff, isn't he?
Yes, he's I always imagined him 

1003
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,960
to play like a Butler or 
something like that when I 

1004
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,200
picture him, but he doesn't. 
He doesn't. 

1005
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:58,160
He doesn't. 
I think probably his most famous

1006
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,920
rather think I'm trying to think
who he was in Doctor Zhivago, 

1007
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,800
but I know he was in that. 
Oh, well, it doesn't matter. 

1008
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,160
But he's, he's all right. 
He's he's got. 

1009
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,000
He's clearly exasperated by John
Cummings. 

1010
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,560
Yeah. 
And he warns John to to leave, 

1011
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,240
leave it well alone, Let them 
deal with things. 

1012
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,480
Yeah. 
But but Cummings is just he's on

1013
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,240
a mission, so he breaks into 
Meadows garage and gets royally 

1014
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:32,640
duffed up by Cliff. 
Which is it's quite disturbing 

1015
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,080
that isn't it. 
It's that Sellers and Lodge both

1016
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,160
being a right pair of nasty 
bastards. 

1017
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,000
It just, it just cements what 
we've suspected all along, 

1018
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,960
doesn't it? 
Basically, we, well, if, if 

1019
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,120
crushing the Terrapin wasn't bad
enough, you know, we, we now 

1020
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,480
know that they can perform acts 
of violence on, on people as 

1021
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,280
well. 
You know, it's yeah, this is 

1022
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,120
what I'll say. 
I'll keep repeating it. 

1023
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,520
This is a seller's performance 
that will take you aback if if 

1024
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,000
you've never seen this movie 
before because it's it's just 

1025
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,320
totally unexpected from him. 
You realize I could have you for

1026
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,440
breaking and entrance, aren't 
you? 

1027
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,480
Actually, I think you'd probably
get about two years. 

1028
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,560
So I'm a reasonable celebrate 
fellow, you know, have a look 

1029
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,280
around for you shall go on try 
and find it. 

1030
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:27,960
Oh, right. 
Are you satisfied now? 

1031
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:43,640
Get out Cliff face clip huge 
alone. 

1032
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:10,080
We discussed Cockroach All 
Heroes last week, and so 

1033
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,760
obviously we were talking about 
David Lodge a lot. 

1034
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,160
And he's very evanculate. 
He's very likeable in the 

1035
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,360
cocktail heroes. 
He's very likeable in most of 

1036
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,800
his roles. 
Even though he's a big guy and 

1037
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,680
he looks like he should play the
heavy and the and the not 

1038
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,920
necessarily the villain, but the
henchman or whatever. 

1039
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,040
There's not that many films or 
television appearances where he 

1040
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,880
does play an all an out and out,
you know, bastard, really. 

1041
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,560
I don't think he does, no. 
This is the thing, I always 

1042
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,680
picture him because he was in 
like Q8 and all those sort of 

1043
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,640
Milligan stuff, wasn't he 
appeared and it's just him 

1044
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:50,560
corpsing all the time, just 
cracking up and, and just 

1045
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,960
hamming it up and just, you 
know, playing to the camera. 

1046
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,480
That's how I see him. 
It's it's, it's in those sort of

1047
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,240
outtakes or those him just being
himself, you know, just breaking

1048
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,840
down. 
Absolutely adore him. 

1049
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,920
He's one of those guys that 
should have had a bigger career,

1050
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,480
but I, I think he's still pretty
recognised. 

1051
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,400
Well, I think people do know 
David Lodge. 

1052
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,880
You know, he's, he's just one of
those character actors that was 

1053
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,280
not quite a list, but he was, he
was competent in everything he 

1054
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,120
did. 
He was able to enjoy the 

1055
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:28,920
trappings of a list, celebrity 
and fame through sellers. 

1056
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,800
Yeah, because wasn't he shot in 
the dark as well? 

1057
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,840
Yes, he says lots of things like
that. 

1058
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,000
Yeah. 
But he was able to to attend all

1059
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,280
these parties and soirees and 
going on all these trips away 

1060
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,000
and meet people like Sophia 
Loren and Tony Snowden and you 

1061
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:44,600
know. 
Yeah. 

1062
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,200
Was he sort of part of the crew 
with like, say, Graham Stark as 

1063
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,200
well? 
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there. 

1064
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,480
Was all of those guys was. 
He and Stark were joint best men

1065
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:52,880
at Sellers wedding to protect. 
Them. 

1066
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:53,920
Yeah, There we go. 
Yeah. 

1067
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,880
And so he was, and he and 
Sellers would, you know, they 

1068
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,200
would, they'd go on holiday 
together, the deal resource. 

1069
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:05,320
But yeah, so. 
So Johnny's bloodied, bruised 

1070
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,000
and battered and. 
He arrives home and and his 

1071
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,360
wife, whose name I've forgotten 
again, is Anne. 

1072
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,920
Anne. 
She's not got much to do, has 

1073
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,120
she? 
She begs him to, to leave it 

1074
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,200
like everyone's telling him, 
just leave it. 

1075
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,560
And this is where we discover 
that since D mob from the war, 

1076
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,720
John has struggled to find 
purpose in life and he's had 

1077
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,000
pretty poor judgement and that's
led him to pursue several 

1078
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,080
disastrous enterprises. 
And. 

1079
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,960
And I was thinking here, I'm 
sure you'll agree with me on 

1080
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,640
this, Scott. 
Now, had John Cummings been of a

1081
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:49,920
slightly more compromised 
character morally, he defeated 

1082
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,200
right in with the gang assembled
by Jack Hawkins in the League of

1083
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:53,960
Gentlemen. 
The same. 

1084
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,080
Yeah. 
Perfect. 

1085
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:55,680
You know what? 
I. 

1086
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,960
Mean, yeah, because they've all 
found it difficult to adapt to 

1087
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,160
civvy street, haven't they? 
Yeah, that's that's the whole 

1088
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,920
point of it, isn't it? 
They're all ex military, but 

1089
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,320
they've all got a particular 
talent. 

1090
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:14,400
And unfortunately in this movie,
Richard Todd hasn't found what 

1091
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,520
his talent is since leaving the 
war, has he? 

1092
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,640
That's the thing. 
What what is his strong point? 

1093
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,280
He he hasn't found himself. 
That's the He can sell lipstick.

1094
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,480
Sometimes a lipstick peddler. 
He's a lipstick peddler. 

1095
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,320
Always refers to him. 
Yeah, but but he has no, he's, 

1096
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:31,800
he's found no strong point, has 
he? 

1097
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,320
No, no guiding light in his 
life. 

1098
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,120
That's that's it's just led him 
to these second rate jobs that 

1099
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:44,200
he's not particularly good at. 
And so by this point, John's 

1100
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:49,560
been demoted to inventory. 
Clark, I suppose, is he? 

1101
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,920
Yeah, I suppose that's the best 
way I described the role. 

1102
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,720
Yeah, yeah. 
And and that twat of a colleague

1103
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:01,840
who's taking his patch is giving
him a bit of sight and and and 

1104
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,320
John loses rag and has a rage 
and then quits. 

1105
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:06,400
That's it, Luke. 
Yeah. 

1106
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,720
Walks out the job, Yeah. 
And it's at this point in the 

1107
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:14,760
film where I'm really beginning 
to to despair of him, of his 

1108
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,160
character and I, and I kind of 
wish he'd ignore the title of 

1109
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,760
the film and just and just just 
let go. 

1110
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,600
Yeah, yeah. 
They, they, you sort of wish 

1111
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,160
that there's a point now where 
enough's enough, you know, 

1112
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,960
that's it. 
You've you've you've suffered 

1113
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,640
enough and and everybody else is
telling you to to leave it. 

1114
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,640
But he's not. 
Yeah, but what is what is 

1115
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,760
triggering him to be so 
determined? 

1116
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,360
Is is it the money? 
Is it the fact that he's always 

1117
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,080
been a loser? 
I think that's probably what it 

1118
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:44,360
is. 
Is it? 

1119
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,560
Just this reach breaking point. 
He's had so much sand kicked in 

1120
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,600
his face. 
He is that OK? 

1121
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,840
He's like Howard. 
What's his name from Network? 

1122
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,280
He's mad as hell and he's not. 
Going to take it anymore. 

1123
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,520
Yeah, yeah. 
That's. 

1124
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:07,040
It he's he's driven inexorably 
towards what will be the victory

1125
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,080
or defeat, and it could be fatal
defeat. 

1126
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,800
Oh yeah, there's, there's 
certainly that that element in 

1127
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,880
this movie. 
The, the, the threat of that is,

1128
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,600
is quite, quite palpable 
actually, because we don't know 

1129
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,360
to what extreme sellers will go,
you know, as I say, the the 

1130
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,960
point where he breaks into the 
flat and breaks the vase, if, if

1131
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,000
they weren't disturbed, sellers 
would have killed him. 

1132
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:36,920
Well, yes, yes, we get to that 
because some I So John Cummings 

1133
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,560
finds the weak link in Meadows 
operation, which is Jackie, and 

1134
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,080
he invites her back to his 
house, I guess to get her away 

1135
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,400
from Meadows or I'm not quite 
sure what, what he has in mind. 

1136
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,080
Nothing, nothing carnal, of 
course, but no, no, not not in 

1137
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,040
the film anyway. 
But But then, yeah, like you 

1138
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,720
say, Meadows discovers where 
she's been taken and he does, he

1139
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,920
stages like a home invasion, 
terrorises the whole family. 

1140
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,320
And like you say, he had 
probably killed Robert Todd, 

1141
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:09,000
Richard Todd, both of them. 
And that's the point after that.

1142
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,400
And Cummings tells John that if 
he doesn't drop it, she's taking

1143
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,480
the children and she's leaving. 
And that's quite sensible. 

1144
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,640
Yeah, she's she's, she's reached
her breaking point as well. 

1145
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:24,880
Yeah, so naturally, of course 
John totally ignores her because

1146
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,600
Tommy has been, he's been 
brutalised again by Meadows with

1147
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,800
a broken bottle, I think hasn't.
It There's a lot of broken glass

1148
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,320
in this movie. 
A lot of threats were broken 

1149
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:34,600
stuff. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1150
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:43,040
And, And Jackie goes back to him
and is it at this point that she

1151
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,600
decides that she's actually 
going to give evidence against? 

1152
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,520
Meadows, yeah. 
Meadows at this point, isn't it?

1153
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,520
So she's reached her breaking 
point now. 

1154
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,360
Everybody's sort of it's 
building up. 

1155
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,840
You can see this is all building
up to the final act at this 

1156
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,400
point now. 
So I guess sensing things are 

1157
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,960
closing in, like the owner of 
the scrap yard is taken in by 

1158
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,600
the police, as is the man who 
swaps the plates and gives the 

1159
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,320
cars a respray. 
So sensing that things are 

1160
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,640
getting hairy, Cliff's anxious 
David Lodge character, and he 

1161
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,720
decides to cut his losses and 
have it away at his toes. 

1162
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,080
And. 
Yeah, and he and he gets away 

1163
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:24,120
just as the police arrive at the
garage with, with Johnny 

1164
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,200
Cummings in tow. 
And although Meadows isn't, 

1165
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,880
isn't actually taken in because 
there's not enough evidence to 

1166
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,200
detain him. 
Yeah, they're they're they're 

1167
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,560
very close. 
And this is where we get to 

1168
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:40,040
essentially the the the climax 
of the film where Meadows is 

1169
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,080
alone in the in the garage with 
the lights off, driven half mad 

1170
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:49,400
by the fact that understandably,
you know, because he's been he's

1171
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,840
been a successful businessman as
well as criminal. 

1172
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,880
But but he this insignificant 
little squid like Johnny 

1173
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,240
Cummings should have brought 
such unwanted attention to his 

1174
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,880
operation and and triggered it's
unravelling. 

1175
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:07,360
So he's he's he's convinced that
Cummings will return to the 

1176
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,600
garage, and he's lying in wait 
because he wants to kill him. 

1177
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,080
Yeah. 
He's pretty much he's determined

1178
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:19,040
to keep the car and and kill 
Richard Todd at the same time. 

1179
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,960
Yeah, Oh yes, because 
conveniently, sorry, I forgot to

1180
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:27,680
mention conveniently, the 
offending stolen Ford Anglia. 

1181
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,280
Is still there. 
It's still there. 

1182
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,040
All the other cars have been 
driven off somewhere else. 

1183
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,520
But yeah, yeah, it's, it's just,
it's a marvellous ending. 

1184
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,800
The the fact that, you know, the
whole, the whole crux of this 

1185
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:44,240
plot is still there, hasn't been
sold quite conveniently, and 

1186
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,760
it's still in the garage. 
Although it's been resprayed a 

1187
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,080
dark colour, I don't know what 
colour it was because it's black

1188
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,160
and white. 
I I like to think it was Canary 

1189
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,160
yellow originally. 
Oh, it'd be brilliant if it was,

1190
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:59,760
yeah. 
And and Cummings has has spent 

1191
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,360
most of the day and into the 
evening up the road at the 

1192
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,480
Victory CAF nursing a cup of 
cold tea. 

1193
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:11,640
Yeah, despite the Cyril Shep's 
the if wet Mario Fritzi type 

1194
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,960
behind the counter telling him, 
telling him to give it all up as

1195
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,240
a bad job. 
Mario for Brits is still alive 

1196
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,200
at this point. 
Yes, he is. 

1197
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,480
I think he died in 6263. 
A couple of years later, yeah. 

1198
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,800
Yeah. 
And as I say, we are getting to 

1199
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,800
the to the climax. 
We have this spit where both 

1200
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:37,320
Richard Todd and Peter Sellers, 
the characters are hearing 

1201
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:38,360
voices in their heads. 
I. 

1202
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,480
Didn't make one mistake. 
I didn't hang on. 

1203
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:48,000
I didn't see it through. 
I've got to see it through. 

1204
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,360
I won't be here when. 
You come back, I mean it to you,

1205
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,880
I'll. 
Tell you why. 

1206
01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:01,840
Because he thinks it's here, 
that stupid little bastard, he's

1207
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,200
going to come back for it. 
And this time I'll kick. 

1208
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,280
I'll stick his body in his 
precious car, set fire to it, 

1209
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:16,040
and I don't. 
Know and all I could think of 

1210
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:20,000
was Daniel plan Lisa needs 
braces. 

1211
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,240
Yeah, it's, it's quite 
unnecessary. 

1212
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,680
You didn't have to have that. 
I think we, we knew what was 

1213
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,359
going on in their heads without 
having to be told at this point.

1214
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,720
And, and again, this is quite a 
protracted fight. 

1215
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,600
It does go on for quite a while.
It's not just a. 

1216
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,680
Couple of it's very convincing, 
yeah. 

1217
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,279
Because because he goes back, he
does indeed go back to the to 

1218
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,840
the garage and they had this 
fight and it's very nice fight 

1219
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,960
choreography. 
Yeah, quite a few sticky, nearly

1220
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,479
sticky moments. 
You know, we've got chains and 

1221
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,399
broken bottles and, and the, the
car lift itself, you know, the 

1222
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:58,600
hydraulic lift being used as, as
weapons. 

1223
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,840
And it's, it is, it's almost, 
almost worthy of a James Bond 

1224
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:08,479
sort of scrap at one point. 
And there is just murder in 

1225
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,920
Peter Sellers eyes. 
Basically, he's going to kill 

1226
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,240
him. 
He will kill him at the end of 

1227
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,560
this. 
Yeah, because he tries to crush 

1228
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,240
John under the wheels of the 
Anglia, but then he cops a 

1229
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:23,279
spanner on the back of the nut. 
Was that was that fatal or was 

1230
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:25,800
he just knocked out? 
I wasn't sure. 

1231
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,720
It doesn't say we don't see him 
being arrested, do we, 

1232
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:35,439
afterwards or being taken away 
in an ambulance or anything, but

1233
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,200
does he actually hit him on the 
head or is it sort of like the 

1234
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:39,800
back of the shoulders? 
I couldn't quite. 

1235
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,880
See, we're not sure, but yeah, I
think we must assume that it 

1236
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:47,840
wasn't fatal. 
Yeah, but the police, the police

1237
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,760
arrived just at the moment 
because they've been tipped off 

1238
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,920
by Jackie and Tommy, and both of
them make off on Tommy's 

1239
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,760
motorbike. 
And John tells the inspector to 

1240
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,840
let them go. 
And then. 

1241
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,600
And then in a very kind of, I 
don't know, kind of like a 

1242
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,040
Hollywood sort of way, I suppose
he, he asked him to get out of 

1243
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,680
his way so he can drive his car 
home. 

1244
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,560
Clint Eastwood, get in on his 
horse. 

1245
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:11,520
That's what I said. 
Yeah. 

1246
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,560
Yeah. 
Riding off into the sunset. 

1247
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,680
And at that point, you could 
expect the credits to roll. 

1248
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:22,600
But no, no, he arrives home to a
cold, empty flat. 

1249
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,680
And this is, this is where, 
what's his name? 

1250
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,520
John Gwilliman. 
He could have opted to end the 

1251
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:33,520
film in a downer with, you know,
John can be home, jubilant that 

1252
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,640
he's got his car back, but then 
realising his his family have 

1253
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,280
gone and he ends up leaping from
the window while sticking his 

1254
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:40,960
head in the gas cooker. 
Yeah, but he's. 

1255
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,720
He's lost everything, but he's 
he's got the car back, he's got 

1256
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,400
the car back, so that's fine, 
yeah. 

1257
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,040
But I suppose they didn't want 
to end on a on a real downer. 

1258
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:55,960
So his wife, whose name I've 
forgotten again, and she comes 

1259
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:00,840
home and she embraces him and 
everything is right in his world

1260
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,160
again. 
Well, apart from the fact he 

1261
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:04,760
hasn't got a job. 
That's true. 

1262
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,360
And he's unlikely to get one 
because he's probably going to 

1263
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,840
have to go to court for, I don't
know. 

1264
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,240
Yes, I'd love to know what 
happened to Meadows. 

1265
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,240
You know, what did he, did he 
did he live? 

1266
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:22,520
Did he, did he live to crush a 
hoodlum's hand again or what? 

1267
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,720
I'm thinking, you know, as I 
said about Tommy Towers, did he 

1268
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:33,600
go on to become a purveyor of 
the Camberwell Carrot later on 

1269
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,640
in the decade? 
And Cliff, what happened to 

1270
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,680
Cliff? 
Did he, did he maybe, did he 

1271
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,080
fall in with the wrong crowd 
again? 

1272
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:42,920
You know those Jehovah's 
burglars? 

1273
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,400
There's a, there's another, 
there's another movie there 

1274
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,160
somewhere, certainly in Cliff's 
story. 

1275
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,040
That would be great to see him, 
you know, move on to something 

1276
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,600
else. 
I like to think that Peter 

1277
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,200
Sellers spent a few years in 
prison and came out equally as 

1278
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,360
nasty, just as bad. 
Right. 

1279
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:02,080
Well, that's because I was 
thinking this echoes of this 

1280
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:07,080
film in later films, I think, or
at least in that character, like

1281
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,800
in villain. 
Definitely in villain, yes. 

1282
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,040
Get Carter. 
All of those British gangster 

1283
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,520
type movies. 
On Good Friday and even sexy 

1284
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:21,640
beast. 
Yeah, I think robbery with 

1285
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,080
Stanley Baker, yes. 
Which we covered on I covered in

1286
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,600
Real Britannia, you did. 
You did so all of those that 

1287
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,600
that particular genre of of 
brick gangster movies. 

1288
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,720
This fits in nicely. 
If you haven't seen it and 

1289
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,280
you're a fan of any of those, I 
would highly recommend this 

1290
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,480
because as we say, Peter Sellers
performance is the stand out of 

1291
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,760
this. 
But the plot is pretty good in 

1292
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,080
this. 
The writing's great. 

1293
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,280
The cinematography is fantastic 
in this. 

1294
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:54,760
It is. 
There's no weak points in this 

1295
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,360
at all, apart from, as you say, 
the the character of Anne. 

1296
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:03,040
The wife can be a little bit 
annoying, I think, but just sort

1297
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,520
of even even like, you know, 
your bit part actors like you're

1298
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,800
Mervyn John's there and your 
Cyril shaps and your John the 

1299
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,440
measures and all of those guys. 
It's it's just a fantastic 

1300
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,160
sellers, but it's a fantastic 
movie from this from this era. 

1301
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,040
Yeah, it it really is. 
It really, really is. 

1302
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,680
And is the film right? 
The film is. 

1303
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,440
The film is about John Cummings.
It's not about Lionel Meadows, 

1304
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,240
is it? 
I would say it's he's coming 

1305
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,920
story. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1306
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,680
And I've got on my notes here to
ask you at the end do you, do 

1307
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,960
you buy sellers as this 
irredeemable monster? 

1308
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:39,280
I guess you do. 
I do. 

1309
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,400
It's a fantastic character. 
It's, it's so convincing. 

1310
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,720
As I say, I was just 
disappointed that I hadn't 

1311
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,720
discovered it earlier. 
I, I first watched it, as I 

1312
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,120
said, about two years ago, and 
I've watched it three times. 

1313
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,520
And on this particular watch, I 
I spotted stuff that I hadn't 

1314
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:02,800
seen before because I was 
expecting Seller's performance. 

1315
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,560
I was a bit more relaxed when I 
watched it, but I was still on 

1316
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,240
edge. 
It still got me some of that. 

1317
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,760
Like I say to the looks that he 
gives Jackie and the you could, 

1318
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,560
you could just see the evil 
behind his eyes. 

1319
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,640
And it is so convincing. 
And it just, you know, if 

1320
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,600
anybody has any doubt that Peter
Sellers couldn't do drama, we'll

1321
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,320
go and watch this. 
It's it's so convincing. 

1322
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,760
I absolutely adore this film. 
I remember reading Michael 

1323
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:34,760
Sellers, Peter's son. 
He wrote a memoir, I don't know,

1324
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,480
40 years ago, maybe I don't have
it anymore. 

1325
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:43,000
I remember reading it and he 
wrote about this film and, and 

1326
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,320
the fallout from it and, and 
Sellers taking the character 

1327
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,440
home and all that. 
And yeah, I mean, there's, 

1328
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:52,480
there's other stuff that went on
and you just think, oh God. 

1329
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,920
You know, if, if, if Sellers was
anything like the character we 

1330
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,880
see on screen at home, then my 
God. 

1331
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,520
As you say that this year is, is
the year of the millionaire S 

1332
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,920
and the whole Sophia Loren 
affair. 

1333
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,520
And if you read, you know, the 
biographies and all of that sort

1334
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,720
of stuff, you just get a real 
sense of how tumultuous his home

1335
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:23,280
life was at this point and how 
much he was quite happy to let 

1336
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,560
some of the people that he loved
in his life go, you know, and 

1337
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,120
he, he didn't care. 
He was very, very self-centered 

1338
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,120
at this point and he didn't care
who he hurt. 

1339
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,760
A bit like a bit like Meadows, 
you know. 

1340
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,640
And, and it's a really 
fascinating sort of era in his 

1341
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,920
life, if you've got any interest
in his background. 

1342
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,800
Quite prolific. 
He released 4 movies this year, 

1343
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,440
as you say as well, and each one
of them were different. 

1344
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:54,000
So that's why it's a really good
era in Sellers history for 

1345
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,720
anybody that wants to sort of 
dig a bit deeper into it. 

1346
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,960
And what would you say in terms 
of further viewing other films 

1347
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:02,040
like this? 
Not, I'm not talking about later

1348
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,520
films like Villain or Get 
Carter, but around this time 

1349
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,280
that has got this kind of gritty
edge. 

1350
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,480
I'd, I'd say go back a little 
bit to the social problem stuff,

1351
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:12,920
certainly anything directed by 
Basil Dearden. 

1352
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,800
Oh yes, Pool of London. 
Sapphire. 

1353
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:21,920
Sapphire yeah, there's the long 
arm of the law with Jack 

1354
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,080
Hawkins. 
Bit more a police procedural 

1355
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,280
than a than a gangster type 
thing. 

1356
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:29,760
Go. 
You to the night. 

1357
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,080
Guilt to the night. 
But Dinah Doors, definitely, and

1358
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:38,160
even Espresso Bongo or something
like that. 

1359
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,480
Really, right? 
It's not a musical. 

1360
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,920
It's got Lawrence Harvey in it, 
as well as Cliff Richard. 

1361
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,120
Cliff Richard is is not the star
of that film. 

1362
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:51,520
All right, OK. 
And I would, yeah, that that's 

1363
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,960
probably just just for the 
example of a British rock and 

1364
01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:00,120
roller acting. 
But also it has this sort of 

1365
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,720
element of easy set in a 
nightclub, as far as I remember.

1366
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:07,080
And I'll tell you the best one. 
Just come to me, Sammy Lee, the 

1367
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:08,160
indie. 
Movie actually. 

1368
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:12,040
Newly yes. 
Yeah, set in Soho strip clubs. 

1369
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:16,480
You know, failed comic trying to
recover money to pay off a 

1370
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:18,040
gambling debt. 
Otherwise he's going to be 

1371
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:21,080
viciously beaten. 
That one surprised me as well. 

1372
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,800
Anthony Looney is absolutely 
fantastic in that film. 

1373
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,160
Yeah, that needs a rewatch 
actually. 

1374
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,760
Yes, absolutely. 
Very good. 

1375
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,920
So, Scott, is there anything 
else you want to did you wanted 

1376
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,200
to mention about this film or 
should we call it a day? 

1377
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,400
Call it a day, but just anybody 
that hasn't seen it, why not 

1378
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,040
please just go out and watch it,
yeah. 

1379
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,400
I think it's, well, it's 
certainly available on DVD. 

1380
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,640
I've got it on DVD. 
It's probably on YouTube. 

1381
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:48,880
I don't know. 
It is on YouTube. 

1382
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,200
I've seen a copy on there. 
So yeah, it is. 

1383
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:52,800
It is available. 
It's out there. 

1384
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,720
It's. 
Deserving of a nice new Blu-ray 

1385
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:56,760
release. 
Yeah. 

1386
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,160
I would certainly buy it if that
was the case, yeah. 

1387
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:05,920
Okey doke. 
So coming up on Real Britannia 

1388
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,120
and Stinky pause, What, what? 
What have we got to look forward

1389
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,120
to? 
We're all up to date with 

1390
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:15,240
Stinking Pause, our last 
episode, Dave the Jackal, Yeah, 

1391
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:19,400
tied in quite nicely with the 
new Sky miniseries, which I'm 

1392
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,320
watching avidly at the moment. 
And. 

1393
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,000
Is it good? 
Because my favorite film of all 

1394
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,120
time is Dave the Jackal. 
Yes, I heard you told me. 

1395
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,920
I like what they've done with 
this new version. 

1396
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:33,640
Right. 
They've kept certain elements in

1397
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,320
it, but they have completely 
changed everything else. 

1398
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:40,600
And for the good, I think. 
Don't watch it if if you're 

1399
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:44,040
expecting a remake of the 
Frederick Forsyth book. 

1400
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,400
It's it's it's, it's a twist on 
it, a complete twist on it. 

1401
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,240
So that's our latest episode of 
Stinking Pause. 

1402
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,400
We're recording a real Britannia
tomorrow. 

1403
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,040
We're doing Green for Danger 
with Alistair SIM. 

1404
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,280
I I think I've seen a bit of 
that, but I haven't seen the 

1405
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,080
whole film. 
Great film. 

1406
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:08,040
It's one of those movies that 
Alistair SIM plays a character 

1407
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,640
that you wished he made more 
movies as that character. 

1408
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,040
He plays a detective and you 
think, ah, there's, there's so 

1409
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,320
many stories that guy could have
been involved in. 

1410
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,040
Not the same sort of detective 
as he played in. 

1411
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,400
Inspector calls. 
Inspector calls. 

1412
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:25,400
No, no, quite different. 
He's got these strange little 

1413
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,280
quirks that make him really 
fascinating to watch. 

1414
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,280
And it's it's great. 
Leslie Howard's in it and and 

1415
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,520
Megs Jenkins and all those guys 
a great film. 

1416
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,400
But also coming up, we recorded 
the big job with. 

1417
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,880
James. 
Yeah, we've we've got a we've 

1418
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,000
got an episode on that kind 
hearts and coronets. 

1419
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,960
We've done an episode that's 
coming up and an early Olly Reed

1420
01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:49,440
have a movie called Paranoiac. 
So they're all coming up before 

1421
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:51,920
the end of the year on Real 
Britannia. 

1422
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:57,240
And as I say, I'm one of the 
hosts of the official Talking 

1423
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,240
Pictures TV podcast, which I'm 
sure a lot of your listeners. 

1424
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,440
To Watch is the, as they Say, 
the nation's favorite archive TV

1425
01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:08,120
and movie channel on Freeview. 
And just going from strength to 

1426
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:09,720
strength. 
It's showing all the movies that

1427
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,920
you and I love, mate. 
Indeed. 

1428
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,520
Brilliant. 
Well, that's that's fantastic. 

1429
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,400
And let me just give a little 
plug to myself here as well. 

1430
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:24,200
By the time this show goes out, 
it should be, I think probably 

1431
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,960
next week, all being well 
because we haven't recorded it 

1432
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,960
yet, but hopefully for Goon Pod 
Film Club for December, I'm 

1433
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,640
going to be talking about the 
film version, the 1986 film 

1434
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:42,800
version of Whoops Apocalypse, 
and my my guests will be David 

1435
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,000
Renwick and Andrew Marshall. 
Oh fantastic. 

1436
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:47,480
Oh well done. 
Yeah. 

1437
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:51,680
So now I'm saying that we 
haven't recorded it yet, but 

1438
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:56,360
it's it's in the diary. 
So that should be around this 

1439
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,800
time coming out very, very soon 
anyway. 

1440
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:02,440
Wow I I watched the TV series I 
don't think I saw the movie 

1441
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:05,720
version. 
I've I watched both but not for 

1442
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,680
many many years. 
So I need I need to rewatch the 

1443
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:11,840
film. 
Yeah. 

1444
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,760
So we'll be doing that very 
soon. 

1445
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,880
And so, yeah, so that will be 
hopefully for December. 

1446
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,760
If not, it's it will be 
rescheduled, but it should be, 

1447
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:22,680
it should be December. 
So fingers crossed. 

1448
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,920
So Scott, as always, it's been a
blast. 

1449
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,920
It's been wonderful. 
You're such a great guest to 

1450
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,040
have on because you know your 
your warmth and your knowledge 

1451
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,440
it it just brings so much to 
goon pods. 

1452
01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:40,680
So thank you so much and and and
I look forward one day to coming

1453
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,640
back to real Britannia and 
talking about we were going to 

1454
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,400
talk about the Railway children,
I think is so. 

1455
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:48,680
I'm I'm going to book you in as 
soon as we turn the microphones 

1456
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:49,680
off. 
Good, OK. 

1457
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,320
And and all the best with your 
future endeavours and I'm sure 

1458
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,960
we will speak again very soon. 
Thank you for having me, I've 

1459
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,080
been an absolute pleasure this 
morning. 

1460
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,160
One of my favourite Sellers 
performances. 

1461
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,800
Absolutely love this movie and 
absolutely love appearing on the

1462
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:04,640
show mate. 
Thank you. 

1463
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,680
When Johnny comes marching home 
again. 

1464
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,760
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, They'll give 
him a swinging welcome then. 

1465
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,440
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, The girls were
screaming, the boys were 

1466
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:21,920
shouting, The old fox too Will 
all turn up and they'll all go, 

1467
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,560
man. 
When Johnny comes marching home.

1468
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,720
Will a ball be head When Johnny 
comes marching home?