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Your majesty, your humble 
Scottish salad. 

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That is correct. 
He is my most. 

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Humble Scottish serve. 
And who are you? 

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I am Queen Victoria, and I am 
very big in England. 

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We are my crostini. 
Queen Victoria and sorry I did 

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not recognize you the moment I 
saw you at now. 

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Silly-looking find Queen finest.
I've ever seen in New Zealand 

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and the with my double mr. 
Brown i dub thee mister Mr. 

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William McGonigle it obvious, 
Hello and welcome to goon pot 

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this week. 
My guest and I are talking about

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a film, very particular film, a 
film about which it is said that

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truffaut upon seeing the film 
for the first time, broke down 

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and wept. 
No, we didn't actually I'd like 

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to think he did but no, he 
didn't. 

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I'm sure. 
Truffaut has never seen the 

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great McGonagall from 1974, but,
you know, I was just trying to 

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add a little bit of color. 
My guest is returning. 

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Its field cannon from the who's 
he podcast, the Doctor Who 

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podcast and Phil came along to 
talk about this. 1974 film 

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starring Spike Milligan and his 
very good friend Peter Sellers. 

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Do I joined a select club of 
returning guests? 

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Yeah, yeah there's been there's 
been a handful there's been a 

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handful but generally speaking 
it's been people that have come 

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on and talked about an actual 
gun show and then the yes 

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they've come back as you are to 
talk about a film or something. 

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That's not a goon show. 
But all before we start, just 

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want to point out that both 
Phil. 

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And I were not, I wouldn't say 
we're under the weather, but we 

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were talking in a slightly 
deeper register than we know. 

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Yes. 
A couple of octaves lower than 

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normal always. 
Mm yeah. 

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So you know even need ladies 
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sound too sexy. 
That's right, that's right to 

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keep it. 
That's been a common problem 

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with my notes being too sexy. 
So Phil, you asked to come on 

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and talk about the film, The 
Great McGonagall. 

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Why this particular movie? 
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film actually starring Spike 
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I think the only other film I 
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that he's starred in was 
postman's knock. 

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So we he was that, you know, 
that the headline acts are for 

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the film. 
So I think because it's a film, 

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that's not really been 
discussing, there's not a lot of

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information out there about it. 
If I'm if I'm not, not not that 

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I could find, I know we might 
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But even in some of the sort of 
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Milligan, it's almost like a 
footnote rather than any sort of

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genuine in-depth discussion 
about the film, which I found 

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really bizarre because I think 
you know it's he's fit he's been

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it's almost like a magic eraser 
passion project of his because I

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think of my and I was sort of Go
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wasn't introduced to the the 
poems of William J McGonigle. 

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Those there's no William James 
did William teammate topaz 

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McGonigal eject? 
The Jay came from actually Peter

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Sellers introduced into the 
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from. 
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And there was a character who 
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called me gonna go. 
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Yeah. 
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ago, poetry Jian and twit, 
that's it. 

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That's the one. 
Yes, yeah. 

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Yeah, you're right. 
It doesn't, it didn't get a 

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proper release. 
It was, we may as well just was 

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going to come to this later. 
Come to it now. 

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Yeah. 
It was a bit of it. 

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It was made as a sort of a tax 
write-off. 

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Yeah, that was. 
That was interesting. 

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It was produced by the British 
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They are Grant who had never 
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I've never heard of, but I'm not
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I've got to be honest. 
And but I was looking at some of

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the titles of some of the thick.
Here's an interesting thing 

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actually and it was I'm sorry 
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got one of the film's in his 
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with that was called Snow White 
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Now I haven't had the time or 
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and check but I'm pretty certain
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Rik Mayall sitcom, the new 
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Where Rik Mayall, I can't 
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he is, he is playing a 
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of MPS story and bees. 
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was Snow White, the seven 
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I just assumed at the time, was 
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not. 
Anyway, if anyone's got there in

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their collection and wants to 
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be. 
A success that I think cell is 

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really wanted to be in it, and I
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was really a bit of a low ebb. 
Career-wise his. 

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Yes, he was. 
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since I guess there's a girl in 
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before and he'd made films like 
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the block house which we covered
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Yes. 
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A few months ago which in some 
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released. 
Okay, and this got very limited 

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release. 
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Salle's by all accounts, really 
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very chilled out during the 
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the Block house, he was very 
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He wasn't obstructive, he wasn't
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directorial advice. 
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and charming, and he was the 
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Apparently, on this film and 
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be saying, no, don't do it like 
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And he'd say yes. 
Folk. 

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Okay. 
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and, and the thing is that, Joe 
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with sellers to the point of 
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years earlier on the set of 
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They did. 
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split them up. 
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at the time. 
That sellers was pretty mellow 

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mellow. 
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So he was he was quite keen on 
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and proud of this film as were 
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just yet kind of rows without 
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I went by the way, one other 
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background to this, to the 
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was a gentleman called Malcolm 
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I think he was a colleague of 
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Grant in some respect Malcolm 
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EJ fancy you heard of EJ fancy 
the name rings a bell. 

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You're gonna have to remind me 
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Hey Willie Jay fancy was famous 
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that. 
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And one of the films that he was
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the said, meant to, which was, 
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movie, exact is probably where 
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if in which guys. 
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Comes around there. 
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collection. 
They're pretty good. 

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So so yeah it. 
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Getting back to what this is. 
Yes, it's never. 

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It never really got a proper 
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Well I today I was going to say 
it turns up on TV, does it? 

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Did it turn up on TV? 
You know, one I've never ever 

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seen it on television. 
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even cropped up on people 
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channels talking pictures TV. 
It's not even a paid on. 

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They add something to the best 
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Anyway you see if you removed 
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film. 
Hmm, this could he's well, let's

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say that mean is there is 
nudity? 

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There's some racial. 
Yeah, I just make sure he's 

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resource a time, is it? 
No, this is this is late night a

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dull. 
Yeah. 

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Stuff really? 
Yeah, it was certainly shown on 

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TV at some point in my Teenage 
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tally. 
I can't remember. 

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Oh, wow. 
Okay. 

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Where I was where there? 
Whether I was in Belfast or in 

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New Zealand? 
Yeah, but I taped it and I 

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watched it maybe twice and I 
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again. 
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usually buy anything Spike 
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I've done any version. 
I've got his wife took off of 

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YouTube, right? 
So I so I Antonio on DVD or 

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anything like that. 
I don't know if the quality is 

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any better. 
No one's easy. 

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But yeah it's it's not it's not 
it's very low quality, isn't it?

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Sound and picture wise? 
Yeah. 

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The only one the only person he 
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clarity. 
Really is Sellers and I think 

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that's just because he's because
you know he's used to projecting

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like that where his okay 
Milligan is playing it with a 

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heavy Scottish brogue. 
Very A lot of that, a lot of 

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Milligan's lines. 
You just can't really make out 

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and yeah, and the picture 
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the sense it's quite grotty 
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And yeah, I was about to I was 
gonna now you touched on that of

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the book. 
You know, the got Enos of the 

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film, that seemed to be a sort 
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Hey, than a lot of his work. 
It was sort of like, you know, 

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you know, the sort of like the 
heroic failure, everything was, 

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you know, gross. 
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project and there are 
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There's always there will be 
something there to bring it back

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down to a level of got Enos 
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And I think it also reflects on 
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industry at that time was well. 
And I don't know what it I think

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it's just because of the the 
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quality, it just makes me think 
of like that. 

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You know, those those Cheapo 
films that we would, the Britain

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was dishing out over and over 
again and it was Sort of like 

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you know softcore pornography 
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That's that was a big banana 
quite a few. 

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I'm sorry to say British 
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films like that in the 70s 
because there was no, there was 

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no other films being made. 
Yeah, usually Bob Todd clock, 

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tolls are really handle even 
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John, the measure, I have the 
even crops up in one so I mean 

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you know, it's something you 
think is as refined as John the 

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measure a appearing in some sort
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The 70s that they're just goes 
to show how bad it was. 

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Then yeah I've got them. 
Actually I've got the DVD of the

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great McGonagall name but it's 
on TV as we're recording on yet.

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Okay. 
Yeah. 

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And I'm looking at it now and 
even, even in the best lit 

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scenes, it still looks like it's
lined up, budgies cage, you 

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know, the film even the 
beginning of the film. 

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Even before the credits you see 
or as the credits are, And you 

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see Spike Tire tied to a chair 
being made up for the film by 

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Peter Sellers. 
And Peter Sellers puts like 

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this, this ill-fitting sort of 
Richard, the third wig Spike Lee

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and what looks like some sort of
rotten vegetable on his nose. 

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Draws on some really horrible 
black thick eyebrows and Spike 

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just looks This hideous Creature
from the deep. 

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Just is this day. 
There's also something that then

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it will burn perfume spray. 
Yeah, it's kept using as well. 

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I read in spikes face then he 
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as well. 
Then it came back to this this 

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perfume spray either. 
It just took with me that bit 

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for some reason. 
She's it's a very odd start to 

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the movie because it's got 
nothing to do with it because 

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Spike doesn't look like that at 
all in the field to say no and 

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it's it's just all this in 
Elegance as I do. 

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It and you can imagine because 
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this rather. 
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He's playing a rather Camp 
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hand movements his mouth 
puckering, all the rest of it. 

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But so, the film know I wrote on
my notes Here. 

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probably, 30, plus years, okay? 
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actually. 
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In the last week and it look 
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It could have been subtitled cue
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In other words, that, you know, 
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Like they were making films of 
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q-series spikes q-series, it 
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because it's got people like 
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Series and it's written by Spike
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Yes, the John McGraw is. 
We've already mentioned in, 

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obviously, he worked with 
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disastrously. 
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Worked with sellers previously, 
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star on two episodes of not 
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more, ah, 
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the sea. 
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what I say and I didn't meant to
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recording Phil. 
Mm-hmm. 

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I forgot to, to be honest with 
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Sellers and Milligan in the 50s.
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involvement with the Fred shows,
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something like That, you know, 
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but he certainly knew the guys, 
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did that. 
Thames TV remake of tales of 

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men's shirts and money. 
Haha. 

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Yes. 
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That one with John Cleese with 
Charlie please. 

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Yeah. 
Casino Royale. 

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Say he did, he directed mad. 
The major christian with Peter 

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and Spike. 
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He directed Digby. 
The biggest dog in the world. 

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The year before this with with 
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He did a spike series called. 
Oh In color 1970. 

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So, you know, he was in their 
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And he, yeah, he knew them very,
very well. 

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Peter, apparently, Peter Sellers
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He was casting around for 
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return of the Pink Panther, 
which real of a turd, if there's

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such a word we elevated Peter 
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Because, obviously, because I've
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released in 1974, but then 
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over a period of three weeks. 
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sellers are done before. 
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beds, hard battles, which I 
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was it? 
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was there was the ghost in the 
Noonday Sun. 

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There was the Blockhouse. 
That was. 

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Yeah. 
It was that 70 did the ghost 

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come after this? 
Feels it before our car? 

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It's a quagmire. 
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Blockhouse didn't get a release 
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72, because as I said on the 
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beard that he Had on the 1972 
Parkinson meets the goons. 

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Yes interview. 
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the optimists of nine elms.young
Mout around this period. 

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That was a good film but it made
no money. 

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Yeah. 
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had kind of, by the time, the 
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maybe sellers have kind of 
resigned himself to being You 

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know, my best days. 
My Glory Days are behind me. 

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Maybe maybe, maybe, maybe, yes, 
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with with that notion, I don't 
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accounts, you know, in fine form
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quite happy to make films with 
his mates. 

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Yes yeah. 
Was it really just have a laugh 

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more than anything else? 
I do think it's a great pity 

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that they didn't somehow managed
to rope in Harry for for maybe 

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just a scene. 
You know, I know. 

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Oh yeah, but there you go. 
I decided to change 

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Shakespeare's plot and have 
Macbeth. 

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We made a deal with him. 
Kill him. 

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Keep the faith. 
Good. 

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So long as the audience did not 
do things. 

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You mentioned, the film was made
in three weeks. 

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was rehearsals. 
I believe, at Wilton's musical, 

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the famous Wilton's Music Hall, 
which was this Spike had been 

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instrumental in a major sort of 
fundraising. 

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Yes, that's right. 
Yeah. 

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I, uh, I, as I was saying 
earlier about this, There's not 

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a lot of information about this 
for me, but in bogra fees about 

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him and in normal Farms book, 
there's almost it's not even 

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half a page, really dedicated to
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But it does say they did a 
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music or, which is, I don't even
know, still standing because in 

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Shadwell, an East London and he 
did rope in Peter Sellers. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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I have said it is still 
available. 

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It is instead of I because I 
think, It was broadcast by The 

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Beatles screens, but on the BBC,
and I've never seen it, and I 

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don't even know existed and 
really very good. 

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I mean, it's good, it's good in 
part. 

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So it's the MC is it's like it's
got its like a suppose. 

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It's a bit like the good old 
days was. 

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Yeah. 
And the MC was Bill. 

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Fraser, the actor Bill Fraser. 
Oh yes, yes. 

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And Spike came on a did a tone, 
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blackface, oh my God, sellers 
came on a did The Ballad of Sam 

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Hall, which have talked about on
the show before, which was a 

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thundering performance. 
As this, this stage actor 

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barrack in the audience and 
basically tell the telling them 

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all to go to hell, yeah, Alex 
sellers is really in his in his 

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element doing that, but if I 
can, if I can feel, I will get a

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copy and send you it. 
Well, thank you digital copy. 

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Because yes, it's quite it's 
quite something to quite 

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something to behold. 
I'm like, But yeah, so so Spike,

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you know, the Wilton's was very 
dear to Spokes heart and I 

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believe he slept the archery, 
some of the filming. 

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All right? 
Okay, even though I actually 

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did, do we know why Spike was so
attached to this particular 

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Musical? 
I'm not quite sure it just gets 

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the history of it. 
I guess it was. 

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Yeah, I don't know if it was a 
some sort of childhood thing 

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with him. 
Although he had a grown-up, he 

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hadn't grown up in London really
know, he hadn't noticed that 

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there's this one trying to 
figure out because obviously you

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know, the IE didn't move to the 
Stanley, move to South East 

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London catford, where, where I 
come from. 

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So or broccoli. 
Really good. 

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We first moved to. 
But yeah, it's yeah. 

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I just couldn't see what that 
must have been some kind of 

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connection there because he was 
Determining to to save this 

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building and I think even to 
sort of like filming the great 

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McGonagall there was again in 
part to raise funds for the, for

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the theater, which is, which is 
a great, a great thing to do, 

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but whether it lends itself to 
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come onto that I think. 
Yeah, I think he just had this 

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he'd always he's always been a 
campaigner for causes, hasn't 

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he? 
And it was a conservationist. 

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And he was all about preserving 
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I guess. 
Yeah it might just be because of

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that. 
So yeah, so let's say spike and 

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Joe McGrath they come up with 
the script And they roped in 

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some Pals. 
So yeah, just not just sellers 

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but there was I want to run 
through these. 

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Well, there's John blue total, 
first of all? 

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Now, John blue thought, you 
know, just he died only 

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relatively recently and yes, 
just in everything. 

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Everything, you know, any 
self-respecting fan of British 

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comedy or comedy. 
In General, John Bluford would 

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just turn up and he was always 
always Ways. 

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Good value in every yesterday up
on? 

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Yeah, I think he did from 
Eastern Europe, originally, and 

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then like that when he was born 
and I think he grew up in 

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Australia and then he moved to 
the UK, but he'd worked because 

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because Spike had gone to four 
spikes parents emigrated to 

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Australia. 
Yes. 

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Yes. 
So and as, you know, some short 

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spike often went to Australia 
did a lot of work in Australia 

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and in 58. 
He was over there doing radio 

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series called the idiot weekly. 
Yes yeah, Chad no relation to 

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the idiot weekly price tuppence 
the television show that he and 

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sellers made in 56. 
Mmm, they just they just 

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borrowed the name basically. 
But John Bluth. 

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All was on that, on that show. 
Yes, right. 

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Okay. 
And then a few years later Bluth

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all moved to the UK. 
And he turns up in the The ohmic

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I am show which was a UK of 
British remake of these hit 

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weakly. 
Yes bike was involved and John 

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Blow till turns up. 
He's in the first run of the bed

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sitting room play in, 63 the 
spike. 

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He's he's great. 
He's in, he's in spikes 

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q-series. 
He's in, there's a lot of it 

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about which was, I guess I 
suppose you call it Q 10. 10, 

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really? 
Yeah exactly. 

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Yeah. 
He was in The Melting Pot that 

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Sitcom that Spike made the 
aborted sitcom. 

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Yes, he was in Digby the biggest
dog in the world and and funny 

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enough he was in the return of 
the Pink Panther with Peter 

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Sellers. 
He was the he was the blind 

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beggar. 
Yes cozy with the Minke. 

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Yes city of announced 13 to our 
prohibits the begging. 

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How do you know so much about 
this city ordinances but sort of

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stupid question is that you're 
blind? 

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You Yes, Joe McGrath had worked 
with him a few times as well as 

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a director. 
So mainly notably on, it's a 

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square world and Joe McGraw. 
I think sometimes exaggerate 

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sore or maybe Miss remembers 
that. 

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Yeah. 
And I I'm going to be saying 

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stuff on here that Joe McGrath 
has said if you like and okay 

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and this is the base, this is 
off. 

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The fact that on the DVD, There 
Is A Commentary between Joe 

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McGraw, and the comedy 
historian, Robert Ross? 

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Yeah. 
All I want to say is that John 

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McGraw, great guy. 
Very funny guy, very 

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entertaining. 
I am sure it'd be great to go 

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for a pint with. 
Yeah. 

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Sometimes I think, are you sure 
about that joke? 

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But anyway, he said about it's a
square world that Michael Benton

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wanted John Bluth or fired 
because he was being too funny. 

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Oh, now, I can't imagine. 
Michael been seen. 

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Ever, ever saying they're even 
thinking it actually. 

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No, no. 
Not at all. 

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I can imagine Peter Sellers may 
be stressed. 

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No, no certain local painting is
ever any all the time about 

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Marco been seen is what I've 
absolutely fantastic guy was. 

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And what a nice man. 
Yeah, so I don't believe sorry. 

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Joe. 
I don't believe you there might 

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be some Jew. 
Germ of Truth there. 

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Maybe Michael Banting was having
a bad day maybe. 

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And maybe he was saying it 
slightly. 

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Tongue-in-cheek, who knows? 
Anyway. 

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Yeah. 
But but so you said, so John 

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blue thought. 
Obviously, in fact, there's most

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of the cast apart from one or 
two, most of the cars, play 

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multiple characters in the grave
McGonagall. 

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Yes. 
John blue dog plays. 

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Many roles including Hercules 
faint. 

449
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,600
I didn't write it down. 
Pick his fate. 

450
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,900
I think that's the name heard. 
He's right? 

451
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:23,500
Yeah he plays. 
He plays the The would-be 

452
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:27,600
Assassin of Queen Victoria and 
many others and then, and then 

453
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,700
you have victus bonetti, of 
course, the wonderful victus. 

454
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:35,300
Benetti, whoo, yes. 
Whoo. 

455
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,700
I thought it worked with Salazar
Milligan more, but actually 

456
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:42,100
looking at it, he, he turns up 
in a couple of Pink Panther 

457
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:44,000
films, including Return of the 
Pink Panther. 

458
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,300
Hmm, he turns up in Digby, of 
course, the biggest dog in the 

459
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:49,300
world, but that's it. 
Really. 

460
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,800
But then he did appear in every 
Single Beatles film didn't they?

461
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:55,100
He did indeed. 
Yeah. 

462
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,000
So it's probably easy to kind of
conflate the two Victor's 

463
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,000
panetti, of course, is playing 
characters such as John Brown, 

464
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,400
yes, queen and a fake John 
Brown. 

465
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,800
Oh yes, yes, it takes place two 
different versions of John brow,

466
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:24,200
which I guess. 
But many many different roles. 

467
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:27,700
And then of course, Valentine 
dial who listeners to this 

468
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:29,800
podcast. 
Will be very familiar with. 

469
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:34,800
Not only regular guest artist on
the Goon show but he had 

470
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,700
appeared in shows like show 
called Fred son of Fred. 

471
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,100
He was he again was in the first
run of the bed sitting room as 

472
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:49,500
Lord fortnum onstage, okay? 
And he's, he's yeah, I mean, he 

473
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:54,800
is career was so alive. 
Lined with Milligan and sellers 

474
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,900
particularly Milligan and he 
doesn't great him and he's 

475
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:01,600
outfit. 
Lord Tennyson. 

476
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,300
He's I just thought I'll just 
don't know that known as the 

477
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:06,500
stripping. 
Look. 

478
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:30,900
Yes. 
She doesn't have much to do and 

479
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:45,400
all the way through. 
Yes. 

480
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,600
Yes, I think because she was 
close to a very well-known sort 

481
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,500
of British actress. 
And I was surprised to see her 

482
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,400
in the cast list. 
As you say she gets a very sort 

483
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,000
of thankless task really, which 
is a bit of a bit of Shame. 

484
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,500
They were pity career has been 
before, but yeah, it's like 

485
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:07,800
she's resigned to this life of 
drudgery. 

486
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,800
Yeah, we had to be honest. 
She's always like spikes, 

487
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,500
straight men. 
Because she's the only one in 

488
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:15,900
the film. 
Doesn't really do anything salt 

489
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:19,800
over the top or are using the 
word zany if you see where I'm 

490
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,500
coming from, I do yeah it's yeah
I hate I hate using that word in

491
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,300
relation to spike Milligan Iran 
says it zany comedy of Spike 

492
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:31,600
Milligan no there's more to it 
than that yet she just played it

493
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,000
straight is always very like a 
very natural performance 

494
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:41,200
particularly with the with with 
mcgonagall's kids Yeah, I was 

495
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,500
trying to find out who the kids 
were, if they were any. 

496
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,800
I wondered where I even at one 
point thought were one of the 

497
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,400
was one of the Jane Milligan, 
you know. 

498
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:53,100
Yeah, it's yeah, but apparently,
because they're not even 

499
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:55,100
credited. 
They're not even on IMDb. 

500
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,600
No, No, Harry. 
There were just two children 

501
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,700
from stage school, that they, 
that, they look for a fiver to 

502
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:05,100
do. 
Couple of days work. 

503
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:09,100
Yeah, and you've got, yeah, 
you've got a couple of other 

504
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:13,700
actors like Clifton James. 
Who's a black actor? 

505
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:17,900
Who plays the well, there's 
there's a number of scenes that 

506
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,900
are a bit now. 
Yeah, exactly. 

507
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:25,500
Usually, he whites up in one 
scene, doesn't it? 

508
00:31:25,508 --> 00:31:28,800
Yes, he does. 
Yeah, then other popular he's 

509
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,400
playing like an African prince 
who maybe most scenes as well 

510
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:37,000
but but Clifton Jones probably 
most famous for starring the 

511
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,700
first series of Jerry ends in 
space 1999. 

512
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,200
Okay, I've never seen that. 
It was easy to think that that 

513
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,600
first is, was the, was the 
better series. 

514
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,800
I mean, the science is all over 
the shopping. 

515
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:50,400
You got the moon, booms blown 
out of Earth's orbit for 

516
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:54,700
starters. 
But yeah, he was only the first 

517
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:58,300
series as a David Carr know. 
He was sort of like the, the 

518
00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:00,500
computer expert. 
Okay? 

519
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,500
Yes. 
So, but that's what I learned 

520
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:04,400
and that isn't, I'll sort of an 
episode of them of the 

521
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,000
professionals once as well. 
And so, to see mean this, I was,

522
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,300
I was quite well. 
Whoa, blimey. 

523
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:13,800
That's a bit of a bit of a 
turn-up for the books. 

524
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

525
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:17,900
But I thought he quit himself 
well oh yeah. 

526
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:23,800
He seemed to get the, get the 
comedy of it because I think the

527
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,100
thing for this type of film, it 
takes a certain kind of actor to

528
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,900
get to grips with what they're 
trying to achieve. 

529
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:32,400
Really. 
Yeah. 

530
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:34,600
Yeah. 
If you know, if you weren't 

531
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:40,100
aware of Milligan and his work, 
it would be very, very difficult

532
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:42,700
to get your head around. 
What you're paying us to do? 

533
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,500
Yeah. 
Yeah, where is I mean? 

534
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,500
Blue thought and I guess to a 
lesser degree, well, Bluth 

535
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:49,800
wouldn't dial and to a lesser 
degree spaghetti. 

536
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:52,300
Hmm. 
They know what all this is about

537
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,700
their their well-versed in. 
Yeah. 

538
00:32:54,700 --> 00:33:00,100
The the Milligan style whereas I
guess the likes of giulia. 

539
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:08,000
Mr. Clifton Jones Julian Chagrin
who wasn't aware of either who 

540
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000
plays a number of roles 
including Prince Albert. 

541
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,800
Yeah either way. 
All right. 

542
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,400
Yes Vicky. 
Oh yeah. 

543
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:31,400
I mean 
I say that Both Milligan and 

544
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,900
McGraw objected, because there 
is some Forefront of female 

545
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:39,500
nudity, guess there is yeah, 
quite quite gratuitous and they 

546
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:44,300
both were against that scene. 
There's a scene in with Spike as

547
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:49,400
mg got to go in jail and there's
a girl dancing naked in his 

548
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,600
cell. 
Yeah. 

549
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,000
Which meant to be a 
hallucination. 

550
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,200
I think, or dream. 
Think it doesn't make a lot of 

551
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,900
sense. 
Now, it's also got this very 

552
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:00,100
anachronistic. 70s library 
music. 

553
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,000
Yes, yes, yes. 
Yes. 

554
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,100
Spike slips a bit lost. 
Really, he does. 

555
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:17,000
So actually a - happy what you 
say because when that seen start

556
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,699
so it cuts the to the gold ounce
in, he's just sitting in the 

557
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:22,500
chair and he's got his head 
slammed down. 

558
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,699
Yeah, as I say is, if like, oh 
God, why is this happening? 

559
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:30,100
Maybe. 
As he say, he didn't agree with.

560
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:30,900
See. 
Maybe that. 

561
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:33,199
That was his little protest. 
Maybe yeah. 

562
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,000
Yeah. 
Who knows, you know, they had to

563
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,199
give in because the the money 
man insisted on it. 

564
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,500
So, yeah, and there's a couple 
of other. 

565
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:43,500
There's there's a, there's a 
brief scene with Valentine dial 

566
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:47,600
in bed with a naked lady. 
Yes. 

567
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:51,900
And there's some there's like a 
what there's kind of like a what

568
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:56,900
the butler saw kind of routine. 
Yeah that that was weird. 

569
00:34:56,900 --> 00:35:01,500
Yeah yeah, that was that bit was
weird and I was some struggling 

570
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,900
to understand what what that was
doing in the film. 

571
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:05,500
Are those just a bit? 
Another bit of cheek 

572
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,300
titillation. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

573
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,400
But we'll come onto that. 
I mean, there's also just just 

574
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:13,500
finishing off the cars. 
There's Charlie Adam. 

575
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:17,700
Yes, he did a pit him. 
I've seen him in a couple of Q 

576
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,800
episodes over the years. 
Yeah. 

577
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,000
Little, what you call him a 
little person and he has a 

578
00:35:24,008 --> 00:35:26,800
number of roles. 
And in one scene he actually 

579
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,000
gets because he wasn't available
to do over do. 

580
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,600
Herbs, or ADR Joe McGrath had to
do with his voice for one scene?

581
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,900
That's right. 
Yeah. 

582
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,000
Well at this before, before we 
move out, go coming back to 

583
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,100
Julian Chagrin. 
Oh sorry. 

584
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:42,300
Yes. 
Show Chagrin. 

585
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:44,100
I got you want to pronounce it? 
Yeah. 

586
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:48,400
Are you familiar with the the 
other thing that he's famous 

587
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,400
for? 
No. 

588
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,100
Okay. 
There was an advert in the 1970s

589
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:59,100
for our White's Lemonade's, And 
he was the CEO was the guy come 

590
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:01,400
down the stairs singing. 
I'm the secret lemonade Drinker.

591
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Which Joe McGrath directed. 
Yes, Inc didn't hear ya. 

592
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,600
Oh, I knew it. 
I knew McGraw directed I didn't 

593
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,600
realize it was Julian Chuckles 
you didn't share going yeah okay

594
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,300
yeah. 
Now Judy Chicago tonight I 

595
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:18,500
tracked this down because it was
and is I can't find it on 

596
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:21,100
YouTube video. 
It appears to have been taken 

597
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:22,500
down all the channels are 
longer. 

598
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:25,700
The person shows a longer there,
but he did. 

599
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,000
It's a silent movie or 
practically silent movie in the 

600
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,600
early seventies about Christmas 
trees. 

601
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:39,600
And basically it was it was made
by him and his brother brother 

602
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,300
know which escapes me at the 
moment, but it was really weird.

603
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:45,500
Creepy thing with base that 
they're in like a forest and 

604
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:47,100
these trees were sort of like 
human. 

605
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:51,500
He was at this, his face was in 
the tree and it's basically from

606
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:56,600
the time they get chopped down 
for Christmas, they spend 

607
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,500
Christmas with the family and 
then baste them being tossed out

608
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:04,500
to be burn or to rot and they go
up to Christmas tree heaven. 

609
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:10,300
Was, it's a very weird, very 
weird film, but the reason I was

610
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:12,400
put onto it because there was a 
weird Little Doctor, Who 

611
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,200
connection as an actress who 
played the mum of his family? 

612
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:22,700
Was in a story of Tom Baker's in
the 70s but also in this, as one

613
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:25,200
of the tree cutters, right? 
The very beginning only seen 

614
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,900
once walking towards the camera 
is Ozzie actor. 

615
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:32,500
Bryan Brown Oh, from cocktail. 
And yes. 

616
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,500
Yeah and FX Murder By illusion 
was ever feel that he was famous

617
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:37,900
for. 
Yeah. 

618
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,100
It really is a blink and you'll 
miss it and I have to sort of 

619
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:42,700
put that's Prime. 
Brandon pulls it? 

620
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:45,300
Yes, he's Brian Brown. 
It was couldn't believe it. 

621
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,400
If you can, if you can find it 
watch, it is a very strange 

622
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,700
little film. 
There was there was a six-month 

623
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:54,800
period, maybe I want to say, 
88-89 weird. 

624
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,900
Yeah, I'm Brown was a huge star,
he was. 

625
00:37:57,900 --> 00:37:59,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

626
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,100
It wasn't anything. 
Yeah. 

627
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:04,200
Well there you go. 
So you can cut that bad. 

628
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:14,400
If you like be one of the most 
famous adverts on British TV in 

629
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,900
the 1970s. 
Yeah whenever there's one of 

630
00:38:16,908 --> 00:38:19,000
those channel five shows. 
Yeah. 

631
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:22,200
The Greatest Adventure of all 
time hundred graders ever sits 

632
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,000
in the top 10 as an it, I think 
always. 

633
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,400
Yeah, exactly. 
Oh, and by the way, just coming 

634
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,400
back to that jail scene with the
L down. 

635
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,700
Yeah, just just immediately 
before that, there's that bit 

636
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:40,500
where Spike is sort of tempted 
into listening at this hole in 

637
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:42,700
the wall. 
Yeah, it's a boxing glove in the

638
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:48,000
face which is just just a, just 
a lifted that wholesale from the

639
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,600
running jumping and standing 
still film. 

640
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,900
Oh God? 
Yeah, totally. 

641
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:55,200
Totally. 
The thing is though, I that if I

642
00:38:55,207 --> 00:38:57,400
have a search for photographs of
Spike Milligan, that would 

643
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,900
always crops up. 
Yes. 

644
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,300
And for user was what where it 
came from and well now we know 

645
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:03,800
it comes from this film, you 
know? 

646
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,900
So sir that's it. 
Yeah, so I thought it's it from 

647
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:10,000
Q or something like that but 
again it's another typical 

648
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Milligan gag really isn't it? 
The boxing to the the lone 

649
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,700
Boxing Club to the face, you 
know, it's it's all in cartoons 

650
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:17,900
to me. 
He did. 

651
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:20,100
Yeah, cartoons, totally, 
totally. 

652
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,500
I want to bring in, I'm going to
came in possession of very 

653
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:31,800
interesting review of the film 
which was written in, I guess, 

654
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,400
1974 by the writer and critic 
pain. 

655
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,100
Be Gilead. 
Hmm. 

656
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,700
I certainly knew her name. 
I guess, as a film critic, I'm 

657
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:43,900
not quite sure. 
I know, she wrote the screenplay

658
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:50,700
for the film Sunday, Bloody 
Sunday, and it's all right, 

659
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:52,400
okay? 
Yeah, but she was, you know, she

660
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,700
was, she was quite a big noise, 
back in the back in the day and 

661
00:39:56,700 --> 00:40:01,600
she wrote a review, long-form 
review of the great McGonagall 

662
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,200
for a publication. 
Now, what publication? 

663
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,500
Top of your head. 
Do you think she might have 

664
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:09,200
written a review of the great 
McGonagall? 

665
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:11,900
The spike Milligan film. 
What what? 

666
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:15,900
Oh, why do I try to occasion 
public art Magazine from the, 

667
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:19,400
from the 70s of the Tippets 
other? 

668
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,400
I'll maybe the Family Circle. 
Yeah, exactly. 

669
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,500
Yeah. 
That's a, no, no, no. 

670
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:30,200
She wrote this for the New 
Yorker magazine, which is well, 

671
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,700
okay, okay, yeah, I don't quite 
know why did I don't think the 

672
00:40:34,707 --> 00:40:38,100
film in the film We basically 
get a release in the UK let 

673
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,100
alone outside. 
Yeah. 

674
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:41,000
Exactly. 
Yeah. 

675
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:43,700
But she was very taken by the 
film. 

676
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:48,600
She was very taken by it, and 
she's got this, there's this, 

677
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,600
there's this article that she 
wrote and she writes a little 

678
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,600
bit about McGonagall himself, 
which I just thought I'd just 

679
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,100
read now because it just to get 
so, obviously, when he McGonigal

680
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:03,500
did exist, he was he was an 
actual person. 

681
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:07,200
Yes. 
And And she writes that his 

682
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,400
poems are among the great 
artistic legacies of victoriana 

683
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,800
in middle-aged as an unemployed 
Scottish Weaver. 

684
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,600
He decided to retire from 
non-work and devote himself to 

685
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,300
poetry, a rep saddest of an 
uncommonly methodical. 

686
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:24,800
Turn of Mind. 
He was much given to putting 

687
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,600
practical technical advice into 
his poetry bathos. 

688
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,200
Struck no Terror to his heart 
and he clung to the least chance

689
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:40,600
of rhyme disregarding m. 
And she gives the example of 

690
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,200
what a bridge. 
Yes, I'm not going to read it 

691
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,900
but I might put a clip in 
because it yes I can't do 

692
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:53,900
justice to the to the tabe 
ridge. 

693
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:57,900
Railway Bridge of the cell 
variety. 

694
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:04,300
Beautiful Railway, Bridge of the
Silvery day with your numerous 

695
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:07,000
arches and pillars. 
And so Grand re, and your 

696
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,100
central gunter's, which seemed 
to the eye to be. 

697
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:14,900
All must tell wearing to the sky
and the greatest wonder of the 

698
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:18,600
present day and the great 
beautification to the river. 

699
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:24,600
T most beautiful to be seen 
nearby Dundee and the Magdalene 

700
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,200
green. 
Beautiful Railway Bridge of the 

701
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,400
silver ETA which will cause 
great rejoicing on the opening 

702
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,400
day and hundreds of people will 
come from far away. 

703
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:43,200
Also the queen most gorgeous to 
be seen, nearby Dundee and the 

704
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:50,200
Magdalene green. 
The New Yorkers boast about 

705
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:55,600
their Brooklyn Bridge, but in 
comparison with thee, it seems 

706
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,200
like a major because those 
Spanish, the celebrate, a, a 

707
00:42:59,207 --> 00:43:03,000
mile and longer. 
I venture to say, besides their 

708
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,800
Railway carriages are pulled 
across by a rope there for 

709
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,100
Brooklyn, Bridge, cannot with 
thee cope. 

710
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:13,600
Beautiful Railway, Bridge of the
Silvery T. 

711
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,700
I hope that God will protect all
passengers by night and by day 

712
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:25,300
and that no accident will befall
them while crossing the bridge 

713
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:30,200
of the Silvery teehee. 
For that would be most awful to 

714
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,800
be seen. 
Nearby Dundee and the Magdalene 

715
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,400
green. 
But my dear ladies and 

716
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,600
gentlemen, not poem is no out of
front. 

717
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:48,400
When I do not propose to print 
it again, I'm going to the 

718
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:56,200
bridge being blown down within a
12 month of the opening day, she

719
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,600
goes on to say about the film. 
She says, Spike Milligan with a 

720
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,300
nose like a quill pen that is 
about to dash off an Ode to 

721
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:06,300
Prince Albert's tonsils or the 
measurements of the newest 

722
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:10,100
Railway line gives McGonigal a 
stoic pathos as he trudges 

723
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:13,300
through visibly artificial snow 
to have tea with the queen but 

724
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:17,800
the queen speaking in Cellars 
most maniacal and decisive It's 

725
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,400
so surprising voice is also 
reverently treated her fondness 

726
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,600
for the Ghillie. 
Brown is handled with kid. 

727
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,300
Gloves fit for her to open. 
A damn. 

728
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,100
She looks thinner in the face 
than we remember from coins and 

729
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:34,800
very heavily ruched. 
Okay, sellers get second billing

730
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:37,600
in this fierce, but he's barely 
on the screen really. 

731
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:42,100
He's, he's there at right at the
beginning as the makeup artist 

732
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:48,000
applying this, this crap to 
Milligan's face and then An hour

733
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,200
in, he turns up on his knees on 
a skateboard, I believe under 

734
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,500
under the skirts, honestly board
as as Queen Victoria, although 

735
00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:00,800
it no, no, no, no, he's in it, 
beginning as well because you 

736
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:05,300
get the, you get the Shadows. 
It blue throws for net is as 

737
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,700
Roderick McLean who tried to 
assassinate Queen Victoria. 

738
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,000
That's right. 
Yeah, be clear. 

739
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,600
Yes, you've got these other 
things, watch it. 

740
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,000
She's watching the sort of the 
anarchists basis, and she on 

741
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,700
stage, it's bonetti, yes, 
Vanessa, yes. 

742
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:23,200
Oh yes, you get his wits and 
you've so you it's starts off in

743
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:28,000
Wilton's musical with Queen 
Victoria and Albert watching, 

744
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:34,600
like a revolt on stage, which is
got a full victoriana audience. 

745
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,300
Then it breaks into a into a 
fight which then has police 

746
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:43,100
horses and muscle the tables and
chairs and the guy trying to 

747
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:46,200
assess no but you've got Millie 
Gunners as McGonigal in the 

748
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,800
audience who then falls in love 
with Queen Victoria. 

749
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,700
That precise moment. 
Doesn't mean it's right? 

750
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:58,600
Yeah, yeah. 
And sellers obviously insisted 

751
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,800
on being in the film but he 
Bears no resemblance whatsoever.

752
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,000
None what? 
So typically as as Penelope 

753
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,600
Gilead indicators is he said, 
thin-faced, I mean, the sellers 

754
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,700
of 1954 would have put yes. 
What do I do? 

755
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:19,000
Much better going to be better 
but but no, I've yes, we do have

756
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,600
that scene at the beginning with
Victorian Albert. 

757
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,500
But and but then it's another 
hour into the film before you 

758
00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:26,100
see a reggae him again? 
Yeah, exactly. 

759
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:29,400
Yeah. 
But as I say together, with the 

760
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,300
beginning as well, when we're 
gonna go get some stage, he 

761
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:36,500
doesn't do his poetry, it's 
spikers. 

762
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:41,100
Max Miller singing Mary from the
dairy wearing apparently, I 

763
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,200
found out wearing maximal is or 
one of Max Min is actual suits. 

764
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:49,400
Yeah, that's good. 
Let's see where he's hooked off.

765
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:51,100
Yeah, the other ship is crook 
elsevier. 

766
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:58,400
But that's the thing that when 
you get the, when he when 

767
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,400
Milligan does do mcgonagall's, 
poetry you do. 

768
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,900
Get the, the dramatic, or with 
the beginning before he starts 

769
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:07,600
recounted it. 
But it's the, we talked about 

770
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,200
him being in jail, but when he's
in coal and blue films, playing 

771
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,500
the judge and ask him to read 
some of his poetry and Susie 

772
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:17,600
goes or like that, all the jury 
run out. 

773
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:24,600
What are your wedding? 
Hey man. 

774
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,400
So there's snowed but French 
actress year, they might want to

775
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,900
do friends. 
It's not what you'd call a 

776
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:38,200
regular employment. 
What would you call it the 

777
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:45,300
unemployed? 
How much could you afford to pay

778
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:52,200
each week? 
He was thinking of her pants a 

779
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:58,200
year yellow. 
That rate, it would take your 

780
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,500
nearly 100 years to repay the 
debt. 

781
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,600
Mr. McGonigle can you think of 
any reason why you should not be

782
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,900
such a prison? 
Yes, I'm just watching the film 

783
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:13,700
is playing as as we're talking 
as I said, right? 

784
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:18,900
And I'm just watching the scene 
where He's just there talking to

785
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:22,200
his wife and his Kilt. 
Just just drop this drop. 

786
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:35,000
We have. 
So we have to foil 's. 

787
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,700
Then there's the scene, which is
a bit baffling with the Royal 

788
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:44,000
Scots in zululand. 
Yeah. 

789
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,600
And and and spaghetti as As one 
of the Lieutenant's you left her

790
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,200
on Frederick Rollo. 
Mmm. 

791
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,400
Yeah. 
Writes him. 

792
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,900
A fan letter isn't? 
Yeah. 

793
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,100
Yeah. 
You could not say that this film

794
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:02,300
has a particularly strong plot 
or a coherent. 

795
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:04,300
Plot. 
Know, there was a plot of sorts 

796
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:12,100
but it did the film relies upon,
the gotta go just being a 

797
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:13,700
rubbish poet basically. 
Yeah. 

798
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,800
And both are taking people 
taking them back. 

799
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,100
Well, that that beats true, 
isn't it? 

800
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:22,200
Because that they did this group
of people did sort of fooled 

801
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,500
your letter inviting. 
Yeah, I do a big tour. 

802
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:30,200
Inviting McGonigal to Balmoral 
that. 

803
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,400
And that's, that's the sort of 
the biggest fantasy scene of the

804
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,500
film, really, isn't it? 
Well, actually, people before we

805
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:38,700
get onto the giunta Bama of 
there, there's one bit where 

806
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:40,400
he's saying goodbye to his 
family. 

807
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:44,500
Which I found rather sweet and 
watching it now. 

808
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,900
It's literally on as as we're 
talking right. 

809
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:48,900
Okay. 
You know, I really found that 

810
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:53,800
quite genuine to be honest and I
don't know why because he's not 

811
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,300
playing it for the laughs at 
all. 

812
00:49:57,300 --> 00:50:01,800
He's playing some of this is my 
because McGonagall I think 

813
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,700
spikes are locked himself in 
McGonagall. 

814
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:07,900
Each is carried on in the face 
of what spikes or as adversity 

815
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,800
even though. 
Hated the BBC, but the BBC gave 

816
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,400
me a lot of opportunities to 
keep producing stuff and make 

817
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,400
them put on the radio and 
putting on the television. 

818
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,700
So he saw the way perceived as 
adversity in his life. 

819
00:50:22,700 --> 00:50:26,100
And I think he saw a lot of 
himself in McGonagall, who just 

820
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:29,200
kept going, you know, even if 
people do something like no, 

821
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,400
you're rubbish, although didn't 
laugh. 

822
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,500
He just kept going and I think 
that, I think that's why this 

823
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:35,700
was such a passion project for 
him. 

824
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,300
So I think that that same one, 
he he's bout to. 

825
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,700
We've got to walk to Balmoral, 
isn't he? 

826
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:43,900
Truce truce? 
No and sewn everything. 

827
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:47,000
Yeah so let's say goodbye to his
family. 

828
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,800
I thought was it was rather. 
I thought it was a rather sweet 

829
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,600
scene. 
The scene that accelerates this 

830
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,700
action. 
If you like yeah, or triggers 

831
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:56,500
this, the scene that triggers 
this. 

832
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:02,600
We haven't talked about which 
is, is the famous seen that, in 

833
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,200
fact, myself and former guest 
Chris Diamond I've talked about 

834
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,600
Chris? 
Yes, yes. 

835
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,900
And I don't like going to say, 
yeah, there's a scene where R, 

836
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,300
John Brown. 
Supposedly turns up. 

837
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,700
This is spinach, is the fake 
John Brown, isn't it? 

838
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:19,300
Victor. 
Spaghetti is the Fate John. 

839
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:21,900
Brown Turn. 
Yes, with this letter inviting 

840
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:26,800
from supposedly for Victoria, 
inviting McGonagall to Balmoral.

841
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,700
Yeah. 
And you have this bit, you have 

842
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:34,200
to sequence where Spike Forgets 
his lines or it's not quite sure

843
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,400
what his lines ours is quite 
sure what he's meant to be 

844
00:51:36,408 --> 00:51:37,400
doing. 
Yeah. 

845
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,800
And and he questions John McGraw
off camera. 

846
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,800
Yeah. 
And and it genuinely looks if 

847
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:51,000
you watch it as you have, it 
does look like an absolute 

848
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,800
genuine outtake. 
Where Milligan doesn't know 

849
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,300
what's what he's meant to be 
doing. 

850
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:58,900
What is my yes? 
Saying he's just he's just dried

851
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:03,600
basically but no, it was Joe. 
Gras intensity. 

852
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,600
It was it was scripted. 
It was slightly improvised, but 

853
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,100
it was mainly scripted. 
It wasn't meant to be like that.

854
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,700
And Milligan's acting is 
fantastic in that because it is,

855
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,700
you know, it's quite remarkable 
and it's an interesting, it's 

856
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:17,200
obviously, it's playing with the
form. 

857
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:19,100
Yes, it's Milligan being 
Milligan. 

858
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:23,800
It's it's but you could be 
mistaken for thinking good. 

859
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,800
God is the, was the budget so 
low that they just included. 

860
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,200
Just get, that is exactly. 
Yeah. 

861
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:32,100
And then, of course, because 
they call lunch off the They 

862
00:52:32,107 --> 00:52:34,600
finished filming that scene that
then it cuts that scene of 

863
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,000
Milligan and the two children, 
arriving like that the catering 

864
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,100
van. 
Yes. 

865
00:52:39,100 --> 00:52:40,900
And those what? 
These scraps left on the table. 

866
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:48,900
Yeah, but the trip to Balmoral 
is interesting and we meet. 

867
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,500
Well, he has this. 
What? 

868
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:54,100
What turns out to be a dream 
that he meets, Queen Victoria. 

869
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:57,800
And yeah, Prince, Albert, do you
want to describe get, you want 

870
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:03,800
to describe this sequence? 
Well, it's Also, because aec 

871
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,400
turns up at the gates of barrel 
which is just a cardboard. 

872
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,700
Cutout really is because it's 
still on the stage of Wilton's 

873
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:11,000
musical. 
Yes, everything. 

874
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:15,200
Yeah, and he's in the full, 
Scottish regard to the big Tamil

875
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,500
Shanter is even dyed his beard 
for the occasionally. 

876
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,200
It is. 
It is dream. 

877
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,700
He looks resplendent. 
Exactly, exactly. 

878
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:28,300
So you get insides and there's 
Victoria played by Peter says 

879
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:31,900
who's on his knees on its cover,
a roller skates basis. 

880
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:34,000
Isn't it? 
And you've got again, you've got

881
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,400
Albert play by June and shagging
is basically Hitler. 

882
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,100
Yeah really but he does it in a 
almost like a dr. 

883
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:43,800
Strangelove voice. 
Yes he does. 

884
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,800
Yeah, as well, doesn't he? 
But you through just froze? 

885
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,400
Our yeah, Vicky it's that all 
these first with Vicki all the 

886
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,900
time but she seems to go into 
the set of take on Victoria. 

887
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,100
She sees have little little 
flushes. 

888
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,400
Little crisis is now again 
doesn't show you anything. 

889
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:04,100
It's a McGonigal says he's Three
or Albert's is something a bit a

890
00:54:04,107 --> 00:54:07,200
bit Saucy. 
And I love the way that Sellers 

891
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,300
as Victoria is playing the 
piano. 

892
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:11,700
Oh God. 
That was our, that was 

893
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:13,400
brilliant. 
What was it was? 

894
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,400
It was it was like was it like a
Ragtime Jazz card? 

895
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,600
Yeah. 
But there was no actual pretends

896
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,900
to make. 
I would make it look like he was

897
00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:24,200
actually playing the piano if 
he's paying these hands up and 

898
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,900
down. 
I'll see if he's brilliant but 

899
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:28,600
he's going berserk with his 
hands. 

900
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,000
Though, wasn't it? 
Because obviously sellers is 

901
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,400
Crouch down. 
Yeah, his nose is virtually on 

902
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,000
the keys of the piano. 
Oh there. 

903
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:43,100
But then you get this this scene
where I think it was it was it 

904
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:47,000
Albert, go someplace this. 
What's that organ thing is, it's

905
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:49,300
he plays, it's got a name, 
hasn't it? 

906
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,500
It's not the word that series as
well as Sir. 

907
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:56,500
No, it's got a, like, an 
innuendo type of name, isn't it?

908
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:59,100
It's oh, yeah, I didn't write 
that down. 

909
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,700
Yeah, it's almost like Albert's,
massive organ, or something like

910
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:04,000
that. 
I don't know, but, yeah, it's a 

911
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,700
bit. 
Yeah, a bit on the nose. 

912
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:08,400
I think it from, it seems 
remember rightly, but this then 

913
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,000
it's all done. 
Bounce With Me Queen. 

914
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:17,000
So you've got sellers and and 
Milligan on a turntable, which 

915
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:19,600
is its panetti and who else is 
pushing the boat. 

916
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,800
Just push them around that it's 
as if they're doing the wall. 

917
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,300
So this turns out able. 
Yeah. 

918
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,500
Yeah. 
But then you've got Milligan and

919
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:30,900
I don't know what he's supposed 
to be saying, but he gets Pixar.

920
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:36,300
All the fluster because it cuts 
to lot of the cameras. 

921
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:40,700
Sort of like don't look sort of 
like a kit from Victoria's point

922
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:42,100
of view. 
Then we're gonna go spawned of 

923
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:43,200
you. 
Yeah. 

924
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:45,400
And he's not say anything but 
he's got a long. 

925
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,200
I don't like that and she 
doesn't know. 

926
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:51,000
And so it's almost like it's 
almost orgasmic. 

927
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:56,000
Fate has four faces that he's 
pulling its sellers. 

928
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Looks like he's having an 
absolute ball so much fun. 

929
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:02,200
Yeah, exactly. 
Yes, I much fun. 

930
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,000
I mean it's not subtle at all 
you know they mentioned Hitler 

931
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,800
by name, not swell all the bang.
Those it that was it. 

932
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,100
The last all Hitler banyak. 
Exactly. 

933
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:13,600
Yeah. 
Dressed as Hitler. 

934
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,000
Yeah, again it won't be spiked 
if you do that. 

935
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:23,800
Some hit the gags in there and 
the seams with the Salazar's 

936
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:29,000
Victoria probably lasts 15 
minutes, 10, 15 minutes, at most

937
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,500
out that tops. 
Yeah, but yeah, in in this 

938
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:38,000
sequence Sellers, as is clearly 
playing Victoria as a bit of a 

939
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:41,300
Randy old bird. 
Yeah, exactly which year, which 

940
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:45,100
I guess she must have been up to
a point because, you know, she 

941
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:47,600
had what a couple of dozen kids 
or something. 

942
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,000
Wasn't it, exactly. 
Oh yeah, yeah, crikey. 

943
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,400
That's yeah, that's yeah. 
I think Albert was the same as 

944
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,400
well as she wasn't me. 
So it's yeah. 

945
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,100
That this there was some truth 
in what they were trying to do 

946
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:02,000
that in a very exaggerated 
manner, of course. 

947
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,600
But yeah. 
But it's unfortunate. 

948
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,900
That's, that's the only, that's 
the last time you see sellers in

949
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:10,600
the film. 
Really, because he doesn't play 

950
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,500
any other characters does it, 
which is a shame cause he's only

951
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:14,600
there for a week and be there 
for a week. 

952
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:16,400
Yeah. 
What a wonderer I presume that 

953
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:21,300
was all his scheduled allow but 
if he hear been there longer and

954
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:23,700
no I've no doubt, he would have 
played other characters. 

955
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,600
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah. 

956
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:30,600
But, so suppose say I've been 
after, obviously, he wakes up in

957
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,100
the snow at that point. 
There's Ali. 

958
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,700
Yeah. 
And then in the end, he does 

959
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:37,000
trust the Balmoral and he gets 
tough. 

960
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,600
The whale hit over the head. 
Doesn't know with the is it 

961
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:44,600
Valentine dollars. 
Is the copper know I think 

962
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,100
because she's shag British a 
green again, think it is. 

963
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:50,900
Yeah yeah I mean as I say I'm 
watching the film is playing as 

964
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:52,600
we are speaking. 
It was still, in fact we're at 

965
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:58,900
the what the butler saw sequence
which is just Ludacris. 

966
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,800
See that's my any sense at all. 
Does it? 

967
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,900
No, none whatsoever. 
Not at all kind of think did 

968
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:07,400
sellers sellers despite 
everything. 

969
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,600
So is a big star. 
He's got a lot of clout. 

970
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:11,600
Yes, I was nuts. 
That's someone's not. 

971
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,300
Maybe sort of saying well, you 
know. 

972
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,200
Okay yeah. 
All right, come on. 

973
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:18,800
I don't want to be involved with
this sort of sequence, but maybe

974
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,100
it was it was done after his 
involvement was was over, but 

975
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:25,400
maybe, yeah, but I know what you
mean though. 

976
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,400
Because he say, I mean, He had 
stalled in a string of flops but

977
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,200
he was still a big star. 
Yeah, it's certainly, certainly 

978
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,400
this country anyway. 
So yeah, just now, just notice 

979
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,200
here, there's a scene. 
In fact, I hadn't noticed it 

980
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,300
before because obviously sellers
has been playing Victoria on her

981
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:44,400
knees, but he stands up to its 
full height at one point and you

982
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,900
can see the skirt lift. 
You can see his, his calves of 

983
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:50,200
his legs, his hairy. 
Yes. 

984
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:54,200
And on, one leg has got V 
written on and on the other leg 

985
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:56,200
are written. 
Ha ha. 

986
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,900
Wonderful. 
I wish I had I wish I was 

987
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:05,000
playing in the background there 
also. 

988
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,900
Well it's because it's not one 
of those films where there's a 

989
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:11,600
through narrative there's a 
linear story, really know. 

990
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:19,400
It's it's very Loosely strung 
together by a pic of McGonagall.

991
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,200
But as it even then it's more. 
How can I put it? 

992
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,400
As I said, you know, I think 
it's more of a biopic of Spike. 

993
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,500
More than anything else. 
I think Joe McGrath, perhaps. 

994
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:36,200
He said this much at the time, 
so I think it was in Humphrey 

995
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:41,400
Carpenters biography. 
Hmm, that he said him in large, 

996
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,300
it's this film was really a 
Millikan self called trait. 

997
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,300
Yeah, which I can I can see 
that. 

998
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:51,900
I really can. 
When you can see that you 

999
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:53,300
referred to that a bit early, 
didn't you? 

1000
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:56,400
Yeah this. 
Yes, he was determined to carry 

1001
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,100
on, no matter what, what was no 
matter what type of thought, 

1002
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:02,600
exactly, you know, it's, um, I 
think he's on one of those off. 

1003
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,600
It was it, the last the gong 
show that, that documentary says

1004
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,900
on, he says on there, you know, 
ignore these stupid bastards. 

1005
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:13,900
You I'm, you are funny. 
I am funny, I read this to 

1006
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:17,600
people at the pub, Seeking out 
some kind of acceptance of the 

1007
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,500
joke because they were always 
thick as planks that is boozes. 

1008
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:24,700
They never laughed at anything. 
I thought why am I laughing at 

1009
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:27,400
this? 
And nobody else is probably 

1010
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:32,900
because they weren't funny and I
was and they have multiplied 

1011
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:35,900
since to a greater degree so 
much. 

1012
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:40,500
Sure they're writing comedies 
now, but no, laughs at all some 

1013
01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:44,100
little light in me said, ignore 
these stupid bastards. 

1014
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,200
It is funny. 
You are funny. 

1015
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:50,500
Enjoy it yourself. 
That's was a driving energy 

1016
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:53,600
behind me, and I've been like 
that ever since that's why I'm 

1017
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:58,000
now totally unemployed. 
Can we keep going all over the 

1018
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000
place with this? 
But one thing we forgot to 

1019
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,000
mention was prior to this scene.
Yeah. 

1020
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:08,600
Is where McGonagall has improved
upon Macbeth. 

1021
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,100
And, oh, God. 
Yes. 

1022
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:15,500
In the samurai outfit on the 
Samurai and the summary, which 

1023
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:20,400
Apparently was owned by Bruce 
Lacey from of the Albert's. 

1024
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:24,600
Yeah, despite would have known 
in fact. 

1025
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,900
Yeah, Bruce Lacey turns up in 
the running jumping and standing

1026
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:31,200
still film and there's that 
horrific scene. 

1027
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:36,800
Respite Falls slain in the 
samurai outfit and he falls 

1028
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:42,100
backwards and slow motion to the
music from 2001. 

1029
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:44,800
What's it called? 
Thus spake zarathustra Terror 

1030
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,200
Thruster or something. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1031
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,600
But that whole scene which I'm 
Luthor is wonderful. 

1032
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,300
Isn't it with the do it? 
Because he's meant to, he's 

1033
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:56,600
obviously having it's meant to 
die but if it's no, I can do it 

1034
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,500
better and he doesn't die. 
He doesn't die. 

1035
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,700
No. 
I think he's coming back. 

1036
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,400
It was, it was a real McGonigle 
thing. 

1037
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,400
He that's what he did. 
He thought he could improve 

1038
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,800
Shakespeare. 
That was one of his. 

1039
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:12,600
I think he hit more money doing 
that than he did with his own 

1040
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,500
poetry for. 
If I yeah, I remember my 

1041
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:18,100
McGonagall history. 
But yeah, I mean it's I mean 

1042
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:22,100
once he gets back to this the 
next but I can't forget does he 

1043
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:24,700
come back down to London after 
going to Balmoral because it 

1044
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:27,000
seems to me that in a cockney 
East End pub? 

1045
01:02:28,900 --> 01:02:32,000
Yeah, he has the next thing. 
There's no, he's Runnin with the

1046
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,300
copper. 
In fact, hang on. 

1047
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:35,500
I'm looking at it now. 
It's all right. 

1048
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:36,400
Okay. 
Let's say there's just come on 

1049
01:02:36,408 --> 01:02:39,200
now. 
Today it is Valentine dial as 

1050
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:50,900
the copper is that it Which I 
thought was beautiful. 

1051
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:55,800
Actually some yeah, he's sick 
haunting lilting, lovely? 

1052
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:01,300
Yes, yes, it is and not what you
would expect from a film like 

1053
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:03,700
this. 
It's not valid Kali. 

1054
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:07,200
It is very, very melancholic. 
And the film also takes a little

1055
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,800
bit of a dark turn Yeah. 
But that that but when you get 

1056
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,700
to London because that that bit 
reduce Falls face down on the 

1057
01:03:14,707 --> 01:03:16,200
floor. 
Yeah. 

1058
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,700
In that empty bar and he just 
burst into tears. 

1059
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:22,400
Yeah. 
And it's so sad. 

1060
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,400
And again, Milligan is 
fantastic. 

1061
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:30,100
The doing the straight stuff. 
And it, you know, you got all 

1062
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:33,800
this stuff going to be funny. 
It's some sort of ends, you 

1063
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,600
know, you know, you know, 
towards the end of the film, 

1064
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,300
really, and he just broke burst 
down. 

1065
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:40,700
It, you know, will breaks down 
really about You know, he can't 

1066
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:46,100
take anymore and it's so sad. 
It really is said, I mean, it 

1067
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:49,500
didn't quite end like that for, 
for her, from a conical with. 

1068
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:54,100
So, he did, he didn't, he did 
sort of eating diet in abject 

1069
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:56,200
poverty. 
At the end, did anything in real

1070
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,300
life? 
He was he was subsidized by 

1071
01:03:58,300 --> 01:04:00,500
friends, wasn't he? 
Yes. 

1072
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:05,200
Yes. 
So you he was looked after to 

1073
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,500
talk towards the end of his 
life, but but we spy time, 

1074
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:11,400
obviously with spiky eat You get
another one of the one of the 

1075
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,800
great Milligan tropes. 
Is it someone's been beaten up? 

1076
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:17,400
It's swapped for an obvious 
tummy. 

1077
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,500
Yes, yeah, no. 
There's there's this no attempts

1078
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:26,800
to to steep this film in any 
kind of reality. 

1079
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:31,100
No, none whatsoever. 
We gotta go, it's beaten up and 

1080
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:36,300
left for dead and then we have 
we have the scene where light is

1081
01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:38,000
I was lying on his deathbed 
basically. 

1082
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,600
Yeah. 
But you do get that these do get

1083
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,500
the for Alfred little Tennyson's
though. 

1084
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,500
Yes, that was odd. 
That's an odd. 

1085
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:51,500
Yeah. 
To pick the real one with which 

1086
01:04:51,500 --> 01:04:53,400
was Valentine's Day while ago, 
but they'd probably takes off 

1087
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,000
his clothes and gets into bed 
with mcgonagall's after well, 

1088
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,600
and that's the thing. 
This is where they needed 

1089
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:00,400
sellers. 
I think. 

1090
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,100
Yeah, because I could have seen 
sellers playing the Tennyson 

1091
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,100
well, because Valentine dial. 
First of all, is the Doctor 

1092
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:12,100
Who's treating McGonagall. 
Go on his deathbed, say the 

1093
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:15,800
captain catastrophe, a color, 
pink and catastrophe. 

1094
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,500
How is he doctor him? 
Oh, hello. 

1095
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:23,300
Yes. 
And he's suffering from an 

1096
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,200
attack of young Monroe's, 
sailor. 

1097
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:28,800
McGonigle, we will stand in 
front of that screen. 

1098
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,800
Take our clothes off. 
No, 

1099
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:45,400
well, I get him some laudanum, 
he's not dead by morning, I'll 

1100
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,500
call again, if he wakes them 
change his protease. 

1101
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,700
No, would you stand in front of 
that screen and take your 

1102
01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:59,700
clothes off? 
No, but there's the doctor says,

1103
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:04,400
Jimmy knows what's best for us 
and they're literally walks out.

1104
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,600
The room comes back in is the 
stripping Tennyson. 

1105
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,700
You could have seen sellers 
playing tennis and I'm trying to

1106
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:17,600
think how he would play him. 
Probably highly Camp likes 

1107
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,200
probably today. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1108
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:23,800
And then quite unaccountably. 
What's his name? 

1109
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:27,400
Clifton Jones turns up as a 
African Chief. 

1110
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,500
Yes. 
And gets into bed as well. 

1111
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:34,700
So, you see, he walks in, with 
his Entourage? 

1112
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:37,500
Doesn't he? 
Like a kingly Entourage and him 

1113
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:40,600
gets into bed, as well? 
I'm, but again, it's another 

1114
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:45,300
fantasy sequence, isn't it? 
Yeah, he, if he does so he does 

1115
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:46,900
end up with fan mail, doesn't 
he? 

1116
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,100
But it's only he's line early 
days, he does. 

1117
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:52,900
Yes, it does get fan mail that 
what leads into the fantasy bit,

1118
01:06:52,900 --> 01:06:54,600
isn't it? 
Then it, but then it cuts back 

1119
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,600
to Valentine dolls as the doctor
I know you get these but he just

1120
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:58,600
got old. 
Is he say that? 

1121
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,200
I'm Very tired. 
So very tired. 

1122
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,800
And then there's a small, the 
end of the film for you folks, 

1123
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:08,300
but if he dies, it's nice. 
And that is again, it's not, 

1124
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:10,200
there's no sort of clay for 
Laughs. 

1125
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,300
He gets a bit because they put 
the pull the sheet up over his 

1126
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:16,300
face and your half expecting him
to sort of Gap as I'm not dead 

1127
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:19,500
yet, or the last poem before he 
dies. 

1128
01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:23,100
But no, there's nothing. 
That's that's, that's it, folks,

1129
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:26,000
that's it. 
Yeah, and as you say, then it 

1130
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,600
cuts to us that that melancholic
music again and it's lovely. 

1131
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,100
It's lovely. 
But as a very downbeat ending 

1132
01:07:33,100 --> 01:07:35,100
for it is film. 
Yeah. 

1133
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:40,300
It's a real. 
In fact, it's like Curie over 

1134
01:07:40,300 --> 01:07:43,400
film. 
Isn't it just as he dies you cut

1135
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,400
to think? 
It's I think it's Julian 

1136
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,700
shagging as a, as a preacher or 
a. 

1137
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:51,300
Yes, it is. 
Yeah. 

1138
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:54,500
Because it yeah because he 
writes he says a little little 

1139
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:57,200
like a little sermon about about
McGonagall doesn't make sense. 

1140
01:07:57,300 --> 01:07:59,000
Yeah. 
Got it was reading reading. 

1141
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,000
One of these fan letters. 
Yeah. 

1142
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,900
You hear the voice, you hear. 
It's a bit like that scene from 

1143
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:05,800
the first episode of The League 
of gentlemen. 

1144
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,800
Mechanical can hear the person 
who's written the letter. 

1145
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,000
It can hear their voice getting 
around the room with this rather

1146
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,100
room. 
It started this shit. 

1147
01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:27,500
Did the thing is, it's not, it's
not a laugh out loud movie, but 

1148
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:29,700
by any stretch of the 
imagination that there are some,

1149
01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:32,700
as you say, some very Q like, 
which we've already highlighted.

1150
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:35,399
I think those are things that 
have made us laugh. 

1151
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:40,200
The most, yeah, it says Q 
moments, but as I said could 

1152
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,500
come the end, it gets darker and
darker. 

1153
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:47,600
And since the point he he dies 
and it's very, very, it's 

1154
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,800
actually aren't you. 
Feel quite sad when we're gonna 

1155
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,300
go died at the end because he 
just kept going and he was an 

1156
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:55,899
utter failure, really? 
And it's only till after he 

1157
01:08:55,899 --> 01:08:58,899
died. 
He did get that Fame that he, 

1158
01:08:58,899 --> 01:09:02,800
that he did, and was known for 
his poetry, in no small way 

1159
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,100
through the goons actually. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1160
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,600
But but it's, as we know, Spike 
would be the first to have 

1161
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:12,700
admitted that he was not 
particularly great at endings 

1162
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:14,899
writing endings. 
Nugs know. 

1163
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,399
And I guess this was the only 
practical ending, he could come 

1164
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:23,399
up with, and he thought he'd 
play it fairly straight. 

1165
01:09:23,899 --> 01:09:26,800
Yeah, yeah, fair enough verily 
exactly. 

1166
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,300
But I mean, anyone who's 
listening to this podcast? 

1167
01:09:29,300 --> 01:09:31,899
Who hasn't watched the film? 
Probably thinking. 

1168
01:09:31,899 --> 01:09:34,399
Good God. 
It sounds totally bizarre. 

1169
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:38,000
It's just sounds not not like 
something we would want to do 

1170
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,399
this. 
If you listen to this podcast, 

1171
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:41,800
you probably would want to watch
this. 

1172
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,399
But I would hope so because I 
think, I think it's a real 

1173
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,600
interesting movie from from 
British Cinema of the early 

1174
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,100
1970s. 
Yeah, we were turning out a lot 

1175
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:56,300
of sex comedies. 
I've entered a taxi driver and 

1176
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,600
we eventually win the clean and 
stuff like that. 

1177
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:06,200
And and also the the comedy 
shows of the TV turned into into

1178
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,300
movies mostly made by Hammer 
films strangely enough. 

1179
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:11,100
All the on the buses films were 
made by Hammer. 

1180
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,800
That's right. 
In fact which is just weird 

1181
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:16,900
really a bit but that just 
showed how far down the pecking 

1182
01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:20,300
order Hammer has gone. 
Well famously first on the buses

1183
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:25,100
film was Was the second highest 
grossing British film of 71 

1184
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,300
without yes, diamonds. 
Are forever. 

1185
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:32,900
Yeah, which is amazing. 
What was wrong with people? 

1186
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:50,100
So gonna say God, 
yeah. 

1187
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:52,700
Yeah. 
See, I'm quite fond and 

1188
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:54,900
interestingly connection with 
this film. 

1189
01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:57,000
I'm quite fond of a lot of 
people aren't most. 

1190
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,200
People aren't quite fond of the 
rising damp film which was 

1191
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,900
directed by Joe McGraw. 
Yes. 

1192
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,200
But that doesn't, you know, I 
know will go wild, you have to 

1193
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,500
engineer, but the rising damp 
film. 

1194
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:13,500
Was, it was basically made out 
of like, three or four actual 

1195
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:14,800
episodes. 
That's right. 

1196
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,200
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1197
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,900
Actually, I still enjoyed it. 
I do, it's got my favorite games

1198
01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:21,400
with the cat. 
Thanks. 

1199
01:11:21,500 --> 01:11:22,900
No. 
But he lands on all fours and it

1200
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:31,700
doesn't because there's Jerry 
Graff during the making of This 

1201
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,500
film wrote a poem Rotom 
McGonigal esque poem. 

1202
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,200
All right. 
Okay Spike. 

1203
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,000
Yeah. 
And I don't have it, I don't 

1204
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,200
have the entire poem here but 
one of the lines was something 

1205
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:54,800
along the lines of Oh, not only 
have you a reputation as a 

1206
01:11:54,808 --> 01:11:58,800
comedian and a poet. 
I will drink to your reputation 

1207
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:06,000
with a chilled glass of Mowat 
and apparently Spike, was so 

1208
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:10,200
delighted by it. 
He had it framed and hung up in 

1209
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,200
his laboratory and I don't know 
whether it was still there when 

1210
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,700
he hung up the letter from Lynn 
Frederick. 

1211
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:22,100
Peter Sellers died saying that 
Spike was getting nothing from 

1212
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,600
Spike and brittle in Frederick 
asking if he could maybe have a 

1213
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,700
few of Peters films and things 
that Peters home movies and yeah

1214
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:34,600
that that Spike was quite keen 
on and and she basically wrote 

1215
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,600
back saying bugger off and he 
had that letter framed and put 

1216
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:46,100
in the lavatory so I wonder if 
the McGrath poem was next to it 

1217
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:47,700
loudly. 
What Yes, yes. 

1218
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,300
So is there anything else about 
the film that we haven't touched

1219
01:12:53,300 --> 01:12:54,600
on? 
I mean there's plenty of other 

1220
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,700
film you haven't touched on. 
But is really thing know, for 

1221
01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:58,900
the purposes of the length of 
this podcast that you want to 

1222
01:12:58,900 --> 01:13:01,100
touch on that, we sort of 
touched everything, right. 

1223
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:05,300
I think that again, it is coming
back to stuff that Joe McGrath 

1224
01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:10,900
said about Spike, even though 
that we sort of said this is a 

1225
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:16,500
passion project for him, but he 
said One day, he would, he was 

1226
01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:21,500
fight with with, with, with him 
about scenes and he go into 

1227
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:25,300
almost like a depression and he 
said, they the end of the day 

1228
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:28,500
that I had to carry him out to 
the car because he's our lives 

1229
01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:31,100
would get heavy. 
They were disclosed and then 

1230
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:34,400
that he just shut down. 
But then he said on the next 

1231
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,900
day, he'd be agreeable. 
And he and he take on directors 

1232
01:13:38,900 --> 01:13:44,800
notes and everything. 
So, as I think, it's not son. 

1233
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,500
Use it was a difficult shoot so 
don't think it was. 

1234
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:51,600
I just think Spike want it to 
go, right? 

1235
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,500
Really. 
McGonigle was his hero? 

1236
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,000
Yeah. 
Really as much as it was Peter 

1237
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,000
Sellers as well for that matter.
So I think he just wanted to 

1238
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,800
make it as good as he could 
really and and there's no 

1239
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,300
doubting, you know, you can't 
say this, you know? 

1240
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,000
This is a spike, Milligan film. 
You can't get away from that is 

1241
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,000
very much him. 
Yes, really. 

1242
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,800
If you're going to get a film 
starring spot, make a written by

1243
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,500
Spike Milligan. 
This is what you're going to get

1244
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,300
indeed. 
Yeah and I think if you, if you 

1245
01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:28,200
go into watching this film with 
that mindset, I don't think 

1246
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,400
you'd be that disappointed. 
No. 

1247
01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:36,000
And I want to I want to end just
again quoting from this New 

1248
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:41,900
Yorker article written by 
Penelope Gilead, so her piece 

1249
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:44,500
ends. 
I think this is quite sweet, 

1250
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:47,800
actually. 
Yeah, she says the whole story 

1251
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:52,300
is draped, figuratively speaking
and often actually in a Union 

1252
01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:56,000
Jack, which the goons were among
the first public figures to 

1253
01:14:56,008 --> 01:15:00,300
treat as a beloved extinct 
object dead as a doornail, but 

1254
01:15:00,300 --> 01:15:04,300
something Commemorated the 
feelings about patriotism are 

1255
01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:08,800
both real and serial, both 
skeptical, and doubting their 

1256
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,200
way, of seeing the behavior of 
late Empire, Builders as a 

1257
01:15:12,208 --> 01:15:16,700
mixture of sobriety endurance. 
And bashful arrogance was the 

1258
01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:20,000
Forerunner of much of the best 
current humor in America. 

1259
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:24,100
As well as England, their film 
is delicately absurd and full of

1260
01:15:24,100 --> 01:15:28,000
sublime Falls from fantasy onto 
a trampoline of Common Sense 

1261
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,700
from which we bounce upward 
again. 

1262
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,600
Arrived and unbruised, except 
for laughing. 

1263
01:15:36,100 --> 01:15:37,500
So, that's the best. 
A lovely. 

1264
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:40,100
Hmm, every review that. 
Yeah. 

1265
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,700
Yeah, I mean, it's that it's not
the greatest comedy film. 

1266
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:46,500
No, it's not off 1974. 
But no. 

1267
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,900
No, it's not. 
But again, as I think if that's 

1268
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:54,500
what you got with Spike was, I 
mean I used to hold queue up in 

1269
01:15:54,500 --> 01:15:59,300
very high regard and but a lot 
of it doesn't work. 

1270
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:04,300
No, it's very very hit and miss.
And that's what I say this film.

1271
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:07,700
We see It already it's like if Q
was made into a film, this is 

1272
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:10,700
what this is, what it would be 
like, it's hit and miss now. 

1273
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,900
And that, but as I say, if you 
go in expecting that, Then, you 

1274
01:16:15,907 --> 01:16:17,900
know, you won't be disappointed 
cause you did. 

1275
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:20,400
You know, if you watch queue 
you'll be, you'll probably enjoy

1276
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:21,900
this. 
I think. 

1277
01:16:21,900 --> 01:16:24,600
So, any goons fan, any Spike 
Milligan fan? 

1278
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,900
Any British comedy fan really 
from of that period? 

1279
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,400
Yeah. 
We'll get something out of this 

1280
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:31,300
for sure. 
Yeah. 

1281
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:34,300
And if the music's great, 
there's some really funny 

1282
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:36,800
scenes, I would say definitely 
watch it. 

1283
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:41,800
And the DVD, you know, for a 
fiver, you pick up the DVD, it's

1284
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,800
got a great commentary as well. 
There's just there's a lot to To

1285
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,400
it and I would I would very much
recommend that people. 

1286
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:48,700
Yes out. 
Yeah. 

1287
01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:50,700
And if you don't put your hands 
in your pocket it's readily 

1288
01:16:50,700 --> 01:17:01,300
available on YouTube. 
I understand, I hope the 

1289
01:17:01,300 --> 01:17:04,800
inhabitants of the beautiful 
city of Dundee. 

1290
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:12,300
Appreciate the Poetry by me some
of them I will hope for let us 

1291
01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:18,600
silent tear home. 
Dear remembrance of William, my 

1292
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:23,600
God. 
So Phil listen. 

1293
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:24,800
Thank you. 
Thank you so much. 

1294
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,600
Now, how are things going with 
the, who's he podcast host? 

1295
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,300
We are, we are still going 
strong, I don't know when this 

1296
01:17:32,300 --> 01:17:36,400
is when this is coming out, 
probably in november-december 

1297
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,500
time. 
So then only November, I think 

1298
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:42,700
so. 
But that's how I think we 

1299
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:44,000
should. 
We should have said goodbye to 

1300
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,000
Jodie. 
Whittaker is the doctor by then.

1301
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,000
So that's what. 
We'll all asks, who fans are 

1302
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,500
gearing up for some people 
Actually, the back of us. 

1303
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:54,300
I'm at some art. 
It's been a very polarizing 

1304
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:59,900
periods of, of the series, but I
think that that's that's just 

1305
01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:03,200
fandom in general really. 
So this you're either in one 

1306
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:04,800
camp or the other. 
Really. 

1307
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,800
And that's it. 
So but that would be silver soon

1308
01:18:08,700 --> 01:18:13,000
as you know, I've dipped my toe 
into Doctor Who the Doctor Who 

1309
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,200
Lake. 
Yes yes. 

1310
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:22,500
Whomp pop-up only only having 
watched the Series William 

1311
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:25,400
Hartnell Doctor, Who? 
Yes, because you can actually 

1312
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:26,900
communicate your come on my 
podcast. 

1313
01:18:26,900 --> 01:18:28,400
Look at Planet of the Giants, 
didn't you? 

1314
01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:29,600
That's right. 
Yeah, yes. 

1315
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,600
And, and everything else about 
Doctor Who I really only know, 

1316
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,000
just through secondhand or third
hand through people like 

1317
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,900
yourself and other contributors 
to this podcast and people that 

1318
01:18:40,900 --> 01:18:42,300
I know and Twitter and friends 
of mine. 

1319
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:48,700
And yeah, I mean, I sort of, you
know, you cannot fail to be 

1320
01:18:48,700 --> 01:18:53,600
exposed to the sum of the Say 
it. 

1321
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:57,500
Bonkers, speculation about 
what's going on a Doctor. 

1322
01:18:57,500 --> 01:19:01,300
Who, and people complaining 
about Google is it seems to me 

1323
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,800
as an outsider that everyone's 
always complain about. 

1324
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,900
Whoever plays Doctor, Who, no 
matter who it is. 

1325
01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:08,200
Oh, gotcha. 
Yeah. 

1326
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:09,700
Yeah. 
I fell for that. 

1327
01:19:09,700 --> 01:19:12,000
That's going back. 
Right to its early days. 

1328
01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:13,800
Yeah, really. 
Yeah. 

1329
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,400
Really has. 
I think you can. 

1330
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:21,000
You can I think I did. 
I did pick up some letters 

1331
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,900
written. 
Sue the radio times when Tom 

1332
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:30,000
Baker turned into Peter Davison 
and yet if there was a lot of, 

1333
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,200
oh, yeah, this is great. 
It's got a, we got a younger 

1334
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:34,900
actor, looking forward to see 
what happens. 

1335
01:19:34,900 --> 01:19:38,400
Then, another people was it was 
outright hatred. 

1336
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,600
Well, that even seen seen people
that are the poor men, they even

1337
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,700
doing anything that is outright 
hatred for him. 

1338
01:19:43,700 --> 01:19:47,300
I mean, it goes back years ago 
and no doubt it happens when 

1339
01:19:47,300 --> 01:19:48,900
Patrick troughton took on the 
role as well. 

1340
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:51,300
It's it's always been there but 
I've never know. 

1341
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:56,100
Known a show like it to polarize
its own Fanta. 

1342
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,600
Yeah, absolutely. 
It's crazy. 

1343
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,900
Absolutely crazy. 
But that's more like the guns 

1344
01:20:00,900 --> 01:20:03,400
are. 
I've never come across it with 

1345
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,100
with, with the guns, or Milligan
sellers cecum. 

1346
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:10,900
Number seems to be polarized 
about any of it. 

1347
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:16,900
Well, as we know at one point, 
been teen was lined up to be the

1348
01:20:16,900 --> 01:20:18,800
doctor, wasn't he? 
He was. 

1349
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,800
Yeah. 
And I could have seen In that I 

1350
01:20:21,808 --> 01:20:25,100
could have seen that of the 
reorder words of the father. 

1351
01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:27,000
There was some. 
Yeah, it's after I think it's 

1352
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,800
before Who's been after before 
after partway think it was 

1353
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,400
before /, I think it was after 
troughton's, it was going to be 

1354
01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:36,800
what what the role approach we 
took. 

1355
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,600
If you like yeah. 
Brian blessed, always maintains 

1356
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,900
that he was in line to play the 
role of the doctor after William

1357
01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:44,900
Hartnell. 
Right? 

1358
01:20:44,900 --> 01:20:46,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1359
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:47,900
Beggars. 
Belief that one place. 

1360
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:52,200
No. 
There was Ron Moody was lined up

1361
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,300
to play the doctor at one more 
was touted use the same are 

1362
01:20:55,300 --> 01:20:57,800
called benteen Charles hall 
tree. 

1363
01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:16,900
Richard Richard. 
Yeah, I think John Baron CJ from

1364
01:21:16,900 --> 01:21:19,100
ready all cheering? 
Yeah, I didn't get where I am 

1365
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:21,000
today. 
Yeah, Alex. 

1366
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,200
Occasions. 
Because obviously, I mean, yeah,

1367
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,100
that goes without saying, 
exactly. 

1368
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,700
Even if you didn't know that, 
you'd think surely to God, the 

1369
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:36,500
belden's been asked at least. 
Yes. 

1370
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:38,300
Yeah. 
Surely, exactly. 

1371
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,000
Exactly. 
So it's a great so Phillip. 

1372
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,400
So yeah that's it feels podcast 
who see which is available 

1373
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,200
everywhere. 
You get your podcasts. 

1374
01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:51,600
Yes. 
Indeed indeed and wonderful to 

1375
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,800
have you on again Phil I really 
enjoyed that. 

1376
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,000
That's I like that was that was 
great. 

1377
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,800
It really was. 
And and who knows? 

1378
01:21:57,900 --> 01:22:01,400
Maybe one day we will meet again
on this podcast indeed. 

1379
01:22:02,300 --> 01:22:05,100
Thanks again to fill. 
Thank you for listening, take 

1380
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:06,800
care of yourselves, see you next
time. 

1381
01:22:06,800 --> 01:21:59,900
Bye. 
Maybe one day we will meet again

1382
01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:03,200
on this podcast indeed. 
Thanks again to fill. 

1383
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,400
Thank you for listening, take 
care of yourselves, see you next

1384
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:07,400
time. 
Bye.