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me. Hello and welcome to goon pod
the podcast in which myself Tyler Adams and a guest, talk
about anything to do with the Goon show or anything that
features sellers Milligan cecum or been team.
And my guest is the novelist writer multi-talented,
individual more on that shortly. Eddie Robson.
So I hope Hope you enjoy the conversation, Eddie Robson.
Welcome to Green Pod. No, hello, thanks for having me
on. You're very welcome, you're very
welcome. Now, let me just pop on my pain
snake and bruised your CV because you've got a very
extensive CD here. Yeah, you've pretty much it's
fair to say, you've pretty much worked.
I mean you're out your ostensibly.
You. You are a writer and a novelist.
And you've worked in most medium, I guess part.
Film Eddie. Yeah.
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.
And and your work often tends to lean towards sci-fi and
Fantastical and you've written novels such as Tomorrow.
Never Knows. Yeah, and hearts of Oak and
you've got a new one coming out having you, yes called drunken
all your strange new word for which is out what I do.
Well, as we're speaking, it is due out at the end of end of
June. Oh, well, literally in two weeks
then. Yeah, pretty much well, Okay,
well you can talk about that a little bit more at the end of
the show because we always do a little plug thing there and
you've also you've also got involved, do it a lot of to the
Doctor Who contents a radio plays and comic adaptations and
short stories and things like that.
Yeah, yeah, great deal. Yes.
Yeah. So that's kind of where I got my
break into script writing, those was doing Doctor Who stuff.
Okay. Okay.
You work not so much now. But you used to do quite a bit
with big finish. Yeah, I do that.
I thought Do the old one when they asked me, but I did.
Yeah. Yeah.
I was there was a point when I was writing, you know, I think
be writing about four or five a year, the peak of it for them,
which was great, but I do, I kind of understand it.
They want to move on to other writers because some people do
get who doubts as they say. John nathan-turner producer of
Doctor, Who in the 80s, used to say that writers and directors
would get who doubt. And, yeah, I did.
I don't want that to happen. So but yeah, if any if If they
ever come back to me and say, hey, do you fancy doing this?
And I've, oh, yeah, it's never at all.
This seems to be with this podcast.
That's be going for a year now. They're in almost every episode
of this podcast. There's at least one reference
to dr. Who, and there's at least one
reference to The Beatles. Yes.
Yeah, yeah. Well, if it doesn't surprise me
but I don't, I think it's just because those because, you know,
Doctor Who and the Beatles both Kind of emerged in the early 60s
very much into that kind of world but had been, you know,
that British cultural landscape that had been very influenced by
the Goon show. So I think you the link for
often, they're definitely totally, I'm unfamiliar with
you. Mainly for the Radio 4 comedy
series, Welcome to our village please invade carefully, which
was very popular. Yeah.
Well, that's what was that 23 Series.
So we don't know. If it no, we don't two theories
know if they eat, it was sort of amazing photos.
Very popular mean it does it had a following but unfortunately we
didn't get enough and I'm following for it to get a third
series. We did we pitched a third
Series. In fact, I remember that, you
know, when we were pitching it I thought I thought it was
unlikely. We got a pilot and we got a
pilot and then when we got the pilot but I was unlikely, we'll
get a series, we've got a series, and then, as I was
unlikely, we'll get a second series and we did get a second
series and then by the end of the second series on Quietly
confident that we go third series and that was obviously
the kiss of death on and I should never have believed that
we would get that second and third series, you've written a
lot of TV. So my daughter was absolutely
obsessed by Sarah & Duck. Hmm.
At one point you've written for that?
You've written for kids TV quite a bit.
Yeah but I've got that. Yeah.
Sarah and Duck is I mean that was that was a real thing that
was when my my own youngest was about 434.
And I was just, I was working a lot with the TV on out of
necessity with CBeebies on. I just got to the point where I
was like, I just I know this channel inside out now.
I know every show on the channel and I look like, I'd always been
interested in writing for kids TV anyway, but I thought I
should really, you know, now is the time to kind of strike and
try and do it because I'll never know a channel in this much
detail again. So just made a hit list of like,
you know what would my actual favorite shows?
You know, what were the ones that I actually?
We enjoyed watching wear them and Vera.
Duckworth top of the lesson that with one weight came off.
So that was nice. I do think it's the one where,
you know, when I'm in my dotage and I mention to people that I
was a writer a ver. Would you do if I think Sarah &
Duck? I think it will have the kind of
Misty. I've reverence one day that that
we reserve you know bag plus and that sort of thing and and and
yeah. So you've written novels, you've
also written a book about the Coen Brothers.
Yeah. That was actually one of my
first kind of big professional things with that.
I, yeah, in fact, I was doing an MA in creative writing at the
time and I pitched it before. I started the ma this kind of
Brothers book and they said, oh no, thank you.
And then they suddenly came back to me and said, oh, well,
actually maybe but can you do it in three months and I never did
ask, okay, who let you down, right?
But I think that was that was certainly.
The subtext. Was ya know.
Somebody else have not delivered, their book, how
quickly can you write one? But that was, that was a, yeah,
that was sort of a good thing too.
Bus with open for. What's?
Okay. What's the best Coen Brothers
film? Oh, I for me, it for toss-up
between Barton Fink. Hmm.
And I don't know what I used to say, the man who wasn't there, I
do really love that one, but I don't know.
Maybe The Big Lebowski, yeah, come back to it.
I would have one point, I would have said The Big Lebowski and
then complete as ago, I watched my brother were out there.
Mmm. And I absolutely love that.
Yeah. That was one way I think.
Actually, I was maybe slightly disappointed by it.
The first time I saw it and just maybe I was expecting something
a bit different and that maybe cause my responsibility and then
I watched it again for the book. And what I actually, it's very
good. I don't know what I was making
it possible to difficulty to Great film George.
George Clooney is a revelation. It was a revelation when I saw
him in that. Yeah.
And you very one of the nice things about Clooney, actually,
I think, is that like he thought of you might expect him to Be a
bit more self-regarding than you have, but he was very, very
willing to send himself often to look ridiculous.
And I think what I'd actually, I think I wrote In the book but
what I love about it Fontenot Brother Where Art Bell is that
he is character, So Vain and it's like he's basically playing
a guy who thinks he's George Clooney, you know, he kind of
thinks it even better. Yes.
I feel less key heart from just within his own little world and
if you know and it's not the way he's constantly, it's that one
when he he's woken in the middle of the night and the first thing
he doesn't like my hat. Sort of takes the lights, right?
And he's always saying is always say variations On Hold by where
for it now or something like that, isn't it?
We're in trouble now. Yeah.
Okay. Why did they remake the
ladykillers? Why did they do well actually, I
do, you know what if do you actually want to know why they
remade the lady? Good one.
Actually do know this. Okay, so what happened was It
was around the time they were trying to raise funding for
really expensive film. They wants to make called to the
white fee that would have started.
Brad Pitt and would have been shot in Japan and yeah they need
to raise quite a lot of money for it and so they were
undertaking, you know, odd jobs in Hollywood to try and try and
you know, raise their stock a bit racist and bag.
And then Barry sonnenfeld who was their son?
Their cinematographer on their first three films, and then
become a director. Came to them and said, I've just
signed on to do the remake of the ladykillers for Disney.
Do you want to write the script? I think they kind of felt.
Well, that would be quite easy, it'll be fun and we'll be
helping out a mate. So they kind of went in.
They did this, they did the this script for it, delivered it and
went. Okay, bye.
And then Barry, sonnenfeld left the project for I'm not sure
exactly why they give, you know, creative differences, type stuff
and and I could feel the position that they've left
themselves in because Because they didn't own the script
because it was a remake of something else.
And the script could have been given to anyone.
And I think they suddenly had this fear, that it might go to
somebody else. In this film would go out with
their names on it. That would have been dumb.
Dear not the way they want it to be done.
So they and they happen to have a gap in the schedule.
So they went okay, we'll take it on instead and the think it's
sort of it because it felt like what an odd decision.
If you just regards of the next Coen Brothers, told you.
Think why are they done that? They could do anything they
wanted but it was okay for of they've done the script for
money and then they kind of went.
Oh hang on damage, limitation kind of thing kind of yes.
Yeah, basically quite a bit. And again again, they were quite
I think they were Keen to kind of show that they could link
after they got a bit of a reputation undeserved after the
hudsucker proxy for not being able to handle big budgets.
Well, I mean, they weren't hiding to nothing trying to
trying to remake such a Almost Perfect film.
Yeah. And I don't like what I quite
like, the remake of the ladykillers.
It's just it's one of those things where you think but you
know, it didn't need to be done, basically.
I think it's I think it's a perfectly fine film in its own,
right? It's yeah, it's top.
It's not where least favorite their films but yeah of course
the original ladykillers included Peter Sellers in the
count and Peter Sellers oh he was also So around that time in
the Goon show, yeah, rather neatly brings us on to the topic
of this podcast. So Eddie what you're a similar
age to me. So you weren't around,
obviously, when it was going out originally.
So how did you, how did you come to find the gun show?
Yeah, I think probably like a lot of people my age.
I got it through my parents, my parents have really loved it.
Especially my mum. My mom really loved the Goon
show when she was growing up. And it was when Yeah, we did.
We just I think it was actually the across-the-street neighbor,
who was a big comedy fan. Absolutely radio comedy fan.
Had a lot of video, tapes of the Goon show and so we used to
borrow them and I'd actually I do remember with a friend who's
also his whose dad was similarly, a radio comedy fan
fact, I used to go around to his house and he had, he had loads
of, like, have done with a computer, not old as well, and
had Like come three gaming, PC set up in a room with this old
reel-to-reel tape recorder that he'd had since the seventies and
he had like a regional recordings of hitchhikers and
I'm sorry, I'll read that again, which, which we certain lesson
two. But but yeah, when I was around
her head fell forward like we did, we can happen to cross the
party on a cable channel, which is a film that doesn't come up
on TV as much these days. No, for good reason.
But probably the first time I'm fat and watched one end-to-end.
Actually, one of those films, probably dr.
Strangelove when I was at University, and that's one of
those wanted to strange, kind of crossover that like you hear
about Stanley Kubrick and he's, you know, do the Clockwork
Orange and shining and Full Metal Jacket guy and then the
sort of the incongruity of him working with some, like, Peter
fellows, who I knew from, you know, it's 50s.
Comedy work. Yeah.
But the fact that it was, it was excited that they're not only
work together but that Kubrick rated him.
So highly that he wanted him to play every part in the film.
But he, you know, that he was meant to, he was meant to play
fourth part in the film. Wasn't eating salads like many
feign injury or something? Yeah, he wasn't.
He didn't think he could get the accent.
Texan accent. That was required.
He was a bit. He just didn't feel confident.
So I think he's eat sprained his ankle if you know what I mean.
I mean, Cubic not known necessarily for reusing actors
and obviously you use sellers twice.
You sell. Yeah, yeah, the L.
Yeah. There are very few.
Yeah. There were very few actors he
ever used twice. So it was and it was and I think
the was he probably would have used an again, if you know,
circumstances that had gone correctly.
But yeah, it's um, yeah, you don't, he's not very rare among
major directors. Actually, most have at least a
few Are you really firmly associate with them?
But he did the closest that you get for Kubrick because the
sellers really further. Just to say, yeah, certainly
certainly in terms of lead actor stated he did like using Leonard
Rossiter, but fruit British comedy presence.
So, so obviously, when you and I were in contact, talking about
you coming on the show, you nominated, the episode, The Goon
Show episode wings, Is over dagenham, calling be for
calling, be for hello control calling before.
Hello, Captain. Is that you be for ya?
Why did you answer me before? Because I didn't hear you
before. Listen warning, do not land
column airport because it's not there yet.
Now what is your exact position and lying on my side with my
knees drawn up and the Machine why I'm at home in bed?
So why this particular episode white?
Well actually I was really just looking at because there were a
few few of the ones that first came to mind your previous guest
already taken. So I was really just looking at
like, What ones that I really remember.
Well and it was like this one that I remembered from those
tapes. So I really just kind of thought
went through those. I want to suggest this one.
I thought oh how well do I actually know that one because
yeah I hadn't thought about it for a good few years and I
listen back to it and I look got it you know.
Not only do I do you do is a Dua, you know, once that my
memory was drugged, I remembered it really well but also the were
like phrases from it, but I thought I've got, I even still
safe. Things like that.
Yeah. But I'd kind of Forgotten where
they even came from and yeah like 1 phi1 for Revisited.
It it cut. It does some with a lot of the
stuff that I that I don't know. It sums up a lot of what sort of
is a goon show to me, a lot of the kind of radio tricks of it.
And the subject matter is a really encapsulated in this
episode so he'd have probably heard it on because it was
released as goon show classics number six Young 79.
Yeah. Yeah that probably would have
been but that a bit with that man on tape or record both those
all right. Okay.
Yeah. But what else is on that?
Volume right. Well, here's the interesting
thing. It it was on one side.
It was Wings over dagenham. At the other side was the rent
collectors? Yeah, yes.
The interesting thing is that both shows Wings over dagenham
and the rent collectors were recorded on the same night, all
right? And there's something in Wings
Over dagenham, which is made more explicit in the rent
collectors, which will come to. Okay, actually thinking about
that. So, did they?
I don't know this, but did they generally record to in a night?
No, no, no, that's that if I could, but my impression was
always that they, it was very withdrawn as they went along.
They would like, right one of the week, rehearse record and
then done, but actually, when we've done, whenever I've done
radio comedy, We always do to a night because you can, you can
comfortably get an hour of material in the cam, it allowing
for retakes and cut things down, and it's obviously much more
economical with hiring the venue.
Well, what they, actually, they try to avoid doing two shows of
the same night because it could, because it could affect quality
because, you know, it's quite tiring.
And yeah, and in this, in the eighth series, they often
recorded two shows. You know, on Sunday night, yeah,
record the show that was going to be part of the, the eighth
series proper. And they were also recording
remakes on some old series for shows, which were going to be
going out, or sold for overseas sales overseas, radio stations.
And and that's why the eighth series is generally considered
to be a little bit patchy and why, the series for remade shows
which come under the banner of vintage.
Goons, you know, they are seen as being a bit patchy well, but
the read no. I mean, the reason why it was
recorded with the, the, to two different shows recorded the
same night was because, well, it was there were both recorded. 35
December 1956, okay? Which was a Sunday.
I think the reason they did it was that sellers wanted a free
sundae in early January to record television show.
Yeah. So Wings over dagenham.
So it's it's the UND episode of Series 7.
Yeah, it's written by Spike Milligan Larry Stevens.
Reduce my that Dixon and it was actually broadcast on the 10th
of January 1957. Yeah.
And 10th of January by the way. 957 is quite a momentous day.
British history. Do you know where that was?
I do not certain Harold MacMillan.
Became prime minister that duh Beth Burton Avenue, that a
lovely thought. Britain had a new prime minister
and also that night. So the 10th of January 1957,
this one out on the home service.
At the same time, Spike Milligan was appearing on the Petula
Clark show, on television. All right, so weeks over
dagenham There is a synopsis for this which was supplied by BBC
transcription services. So I'll just quickly run through
the synopsis just to set the scene for the first time.
The real story behind the invention of the airplane is
told the problems confronting the daring inventor of the
fiendish heavier than air machine.
Seem insuperable, will he, for instance, find anyone with the
skill and foresight to invent an Aerodrome.
Listen to this gripping, tale of the battle between man and the
elements. We feel sure you'll be on the
side of the elements every time so you wrote that, not sure he
wrote that, but it was. So it was a little little sort
of synopsis printed in the transcription Services.
Variety catalog. So, what is it?
You know, when you think of this show, what immediately do you
think of? Is it the, the Situation's, the
lines, the characters, what in particular?
Yeah, I mean, I think I mean, first of all, I'd the fact that
it's Got this sort of the support of military aspect to it
all which is something that I obviously always associate with
with an elegant and I guess there's like something that you
often get I guess in the Goon show is you get sort of
ridiculous institutions and that's sort of very much here.
Sort of like the you get this sense of a large number of men
who've got together to solve a problem in in the Convoluted way
possible here. But they yeah, I don't know if
there's a, I'd be interested to know what the inspiration behind
this is. I don't know if you can
enlighten me at all on that, but it's because it's obviously not
the invention of the airplane, as we know it.
I don't know if there's any basis in in anything that
happened in history, but someone whether it's based on someone's
failed attempt to invent the airplane, but it does appear to
be. That Milligan is just wholesale
made this up and it Just arbitrarily decided that it's
going to be set in a certain area.
It doesn't sort of really matter but it's set in in that era.
It's not historically important, really, but he just sort of it.
I don't know the fact that it's just it's just wholesale
invented the far as I can tell. Well yeah, it's bookended by so
it's the plot. What there is of the plot is
that this fictional thoughts spawn is under siege.
Yeah, and the garrisons out of supplies so they they need, they
need Someone to invent the airplane.
Yeah. In order to fly them in supplies
but obviously you know it's 1902 and it's a year before the
airplane. Yes, there are plans for
invented. Yeah.
I like the fact that everyone knows our planes are going to be
invented. Yeah.
Boy that no one has but it's kind of like Ludacris a historic
atheist or F at a historic ality of the big night, maybe a word
of may not be is, is what really appeals to me about.
About it. It's yeah, the fact that you
know, love the fact that they the moment they've invented the
airplane grip, pipe phones up. And like the air Ministry has
just been waiting for someone to invent.
They have a flame so they've got something to do.
It's right. Well, let's race been down to be
invented a 1903. I didn't, I didn't check wasn't
1903. That's what that's it.
So so so the plot the setup is obviously the business business
military fort, which needs supplies the someone to fly in
supplies and then we have 27, 28 minutes of stuff that more or
less, isn't related at all? No to that.
And then and then a line at the end, say we did it.
We dropped the supplies and everyone's happy, the end the
right, like the actual resolution.
One of the plot in about 10 seconds.
Yes, yes. But it does.
I think what's interesting about that is that it does.
It's a weird full of writing Professor Milligan and whoever
he's working with must have had to go with through with with
these because because I mean he was writing these incredibly
quickly. It's um you know, having having
had myself, 18 months at one point to write six episodes in
the series, it's the idea of even if you About the Reuters in
to help you out. The idea of writing, 26 episodes
a year is kind of terrifying. And my one day, he had several
nervous breakdowns along the way.
He's also set in felt this kind of odd Challenge, and I find
kind of fascinating about the gun show that we just accept.
This is what we're going to do is and this is how it works, is
that it's got a fixed cast of characters.
But no fixed setting or even a fixed, like, even even Fixed
roles for those characters within each episode.
And I guess it kind of involves out of it because I'm sorry, I
haven't heard the early ones because they don't exist, but I
think it must sort of evolved out of it being originally.
This kind of sketch show that evolves into having whole plot.
So that is correct me if I'm wrong.
But this is the format of the early episodes would be that.
They'd have. Yeah, like some sketches
sketches and within sketch over, but I can't think of a profound,
for example, at the moment, we'll definitely seen that in
sketch shows where You establish a character, and then they kind
of they might pop up to do their role but you familiar that
you're familiar with them doing in an unusual setting.
Like it might be a historical setting or just a different, a
place you would expect to pull, but you do get these characters
who, you know, the same character, but they're taking a
different role. And I think this must be how the
gun show ended up evolving, was that, you've got that mindset of
like, okay, they're kind of, they're almost that kind of the
personalities rather than character.
It's a sort of personalities and voices and then you kind of fit
them into other parts. And like, this is a really good
example of that because because Ned see goon is in this, this
kind of scrolling inventor character, which is just what
works the story, but in various other episodes, you know,
there's the one, you know, the one where he's the Prime
Minister. The see, you know, in quite a
lot of them he's just kind of reminds me a bit of some of
Laurel and Hardy characters, he's kind of drifting vague.
If you get it right, you know, that's kind of what he's like in
Napoleon's piano. He's just kind of wondering
about sort of man of no fixed address.
Who, who just is looking for odd jobs.
Yeah. Usually usually he's the putts,
he's the rube. Yes, he's the Patsy young.
But yeah. I mean, like last week's episode
that we covered was Tales of Montmartre, which was set in
1880 in France, for his boys playing toulouse-lautrec.
Yeah, he's with the has been set in ancient Roman Britain in
history have done of the old. It's been that.
But for all, or even like established stories like that,
like the Robin Hood one, you know, you just sort of set them
to an existing story. Yes, that's it.
Exactly. So and it's incredibly that must
be incredibly freeing. Yeah.
Well it looks of it it for the freeing in a way but also for
have you got the blank sheet every time you do it does it is
helpful in some ways because What offered what you need?
What you need to get a story going.
If you need those characters where you kind of say, okay, I'm
going to put this counter in this situation then if you know
the character well enough, if there are strong character then
you can work out what they would do.
And you definitely have that in the Goon show.
When I get you have we know what counts is going to do and in
fact a lot of the fun comes from the fact that you know even even
as they appear like when you know when when Blue Bottle
appears and something you kind of, you think I know where this
is going. You got it.
It's part of the pleasure of it is that even if the characters
have never encountered Blue Bottle before we have a we're
anticipating a blue bottom type reaction.
Yes. But it's also one thing that I
thought was really interesting listening to this one is that
you've kind of got almost an obligation to to find where
you're going to fit the characters in because they don't
have natural places at the start of the episode because because
you're kind of starting from scratch.
We tied your characters don't have that full place.
That's so you kind of think, well, this character isn't
necessarily doing their normal thing, they could be doing
anything. But I do wonder, whether
Milligan would sort of whether he, he was always sort of
plotting and thinking, okay. And now I want to bring a
discount or if you kind of worked out the story he wants to
tell and then it's like okay and then he sort of casts it with
his existing cast. I mean I think an example in
this one is that blue bottle actually isn't in it very much.
No. But I wonder if Miller gets of
You would be, you would feel short-changed if you didn't get
some blue bottle and episode so Milligan, find somewhere to put
it, it's a brilliant. Seen the one where they found,
it's a wrong number in my phone blue bottle by mistake, he's at
home with pets, which which which is, which is actually
recycled gag from the first series I went really wrong with
and the, in the 1951 episode, it was an exchange between Oscar, a
pure heart, played played by Ben.
Yeah and to make an egg actually another character, but exactly
the same setup, but one thing that I think is quite
interesting in Wings over dagenham is that you don't you
don't often get these completely new characters at this point in
the show coming in, but they do obviously Milligan decided or
Stevens. Decided that we need a foil for
see goon As the inventor to talk to the farts and and none of the
other characters will quite do. It mean that could have been
Echols maybe. Yeah, I'd like this down in my
notes and and this is because obviously because we have the
person you're referring to is mixtures mmm.
But chief of the, he's gay by the wonderful.
George Chisholm who was in the band in?
Yeah. Well he starts Orchestra on the
trumpet trombone. I was actually wondering if
people are thinking, this doesn't sound like anyone else
and Yeah, I know but I was actually wondering who it was
because I don't think I don't think if mentioned at the end
either. It says it is, ya know, he was
all right, very, very well known and celebrated Jazz trombonist
right and he'd he'd been involved in.
They've been in the orchestra of many.
Hmm. BBC Radio shows like bandwagon
it Ma much binding in the marsh. Yeah.
And obviously he was Out of the sales part of what he starts
Orchestra for the Goon show and he became very friendly with the
guys, and he in total is to keep it down.
It was in sees a pair is at little appearances and it may be
it might just be a line in six gun shows.
So okay. But it's yeah.
For for Central role here boers like yeah and he does he does
get to be thought of being a bit of a straight man for the others
but he does get to do some funny stuff in it.
No. Oh, my masterpiece.
This apparatus. Oh, if it's not rude question
sir. What's it supposed to be?
I wish. I knew.
I feel much happier. You said it was to be a mangled.
Yes, I know. But I added a bit here and a bit
then it got completely out of hand.
I'll tell you what, month, you get in the seat, and I'll swing
the propeller mad impulsive boy. But as you wish gone, can't you
invented the method for starting an airplane.
What should we build now? Siegen, did you notice?
I'm moving before, I felt it better Route. 7 feet off the
ground connection. Five feet to those feet were
mine. Well, I think I said, yeah,
because I've written down here. Why?
Why, Chism, as and why include him?
It could have been another character.
Like you said, could have been Echoes, but then if it was, are
calls that have need that they would have needed to have been.
A lot more. Yeah.
Buffalo gags. If you like and funny lines for
into the river where it's mixtures of is just basic.
Like you say, he's just reacting to Siegen, mainly isn't it?
True and of, I mean, a maybe that's it.
I mean, it does it doesn't Mabel them to get things moving quite
quickly in this, that, that, that seems fairly
straightforward, which is kind of part of the fun of it.
So the speed with which they invent the airplane and bent and
again? Yes, yeah, you're right.
You would have I think if it had been, if he'd been there with
Echols actually come to think of it.
It echoes of content, it doesn't tend to be a counter.
You bring in right at the beginning.
My this is this is really based on what kind of my general
memory. I haven't done a survey to check
but my memory of these things is usually that Echols kind of
comes in a few minutes into the episode rather than beginning.
Yeah. Yeah I mean there's never
there's no set hard and fast rules but no but I would say in
the structure of a typical goon show, you've got the three acts
7, you you've got You've got the First Act then you got gouge a
second act. Yeah.
Then Ellington than the, the final act.
So the first actual have Nady and you typically have drip pipe
in Moriarty turning up. Yes.
And then in the second act you'll very often have many in
Henry. Yeah.
And in third act, you often that's the point.
You have Echols and blue bottle? Yeah.
Mate maybe more sort of I'm talking Series 5 series, six
even Series, 7 shows. The those shows that what that
will tend to be the The where they will appear.
So yeah equals will tend to be in sort of Latin letter half the
show. Yeah and also I think equals a
bluebottle characters who get a laugh as soon as they turn up
and I can kind of see why it's quite good too as a writer you
kind of thing you know just when you're about halfway through and
you maybe just need to bump the audience up a bit.
It's kind of it's quite good to be able to be all those
characters on. Absolutely yeah.
Yeah say say it because blue bottles is equals m bluebottle.
I guess, certainly then I guess even today a considered that The
fan favorites on there, they are.
Yeah, another one. If you don't want to, you know,
most most people who who've heard the gun show could do at
least a recognizable impression of those two characters.
Yes. Yes, I'll maybe not good one.
I have to say goodbye, right? You could, you could tell who
they were doing. It's in every show, certainly it
in this about this period. There would be a recurring Motif
or a recurring line, that would almost be almost like a
Catchphrase for one episode only if you know what I mean.
Yeah. And in this particular show it
is the phrase a mental picture of dot.
Yes. And actually this is the state.
I think that's the that's one the main thing I was thinking of
when I, when I said, oh, there are things, I realized two
things in this episode. But I still say today and I
think that's the one that's that's see, the running gag, but
I think of as being a very goons gag and I do kind of it, I kind
of feel like it's it's something that appeared more but it is as
you say it is. Pretty, but it's a running gag
for this episode. I mean if they're very in
keeping with the gunshot, I mean like I say if you've got this
whole thing that the characters are taking a new role every
time, but you all for sometimes get these Winx they treat each
other. Like they do know each other
previously because you know and which you kind of accept of the
audience because we've all seen them lots of times.
But it's also kind of acknowledging, you know, they
constantly acknowledging the the artificiality of it and the
cotton, the constructs of it. And they do that as well.
In this episode with sequins playing the, the Welsh site
manager at the building and when Echols does that disaster and
then and then the the recording of cecum that just goes, faster
and faster, and faster, which eventually is broken when he
comes back in and see him this time.
So for it, stop talking to that record of me apples.
And I think the mental picture thing is kind of its kind of a
piece with them. Like that.
But you know this is radio and you know, that for the sound
effects are there for and it's quite funny to it.
Does it develops? His old comedy of constantly
drawing attention to the theme settings sound effects that are
just a common thing in radio by saying what the meant to give
you a mental picture of and they become increasingly Odd as well.
Like the early. The first couple of times they
use at it, it kind of it is what it says it is.
And then you do get these increasingly these ones, where
it's like, it's does that, what that Oh yeah.
If after gold rate bit, isn't it?
That was to give you a mental picture for enough to give
listeners in the Lake District. A mental picture of Max geldray,
playing a new time Monica. Let's try and actually teach
that at that point Milligan, you can hear Milligan off mic saying
something along the lines of that.
So much more than we got me. Yeah, meaning the Applause.
And, and then when greenslade delivers at line Milligan, just
just blurts out, he's fallen fallen in the water.
Yes. Yeah, this is a mention of
water. Yeah, it right now.
Here's here's the thing. Okay, Milligan says that and
then you here. Harry kind of sniggering.
Yeah, giggling. That's obviously Little Gym the
character. Yeah, Jim.
Now Little Gym didn't exist in the world of Wings Over
dagenham. He wasn't formally introduced
until the following show the rent collectors.
That was his debut, the rent collectors, right.
So for this is what you meant by.
Yeah. So things that are picked up in
the next episode. Yes, exactly.
So, the lads have record have rehearsed both shows,
presumably, you know, Sunday, morning, Sunday afternoon.
So they knew seeking knew what was coming that little gym.
This character little gem is going to be introduced in the
rent collectors but Milligan's just kind of decided to give a
little preview in Wings over dagenham, that music was
designed to give listeners in the Lake District and mental
picture of Max geldray. Playing a nude methoxy pain in
the world. Not enough to count the name.
Little gem actually does get referenced in an earlier show
called The House of teeth. Hmm.
But yeah, it's the rent collectors that he's officially
introduced. Well, it's Jim is one of those
names that Milligan uthoff constantly.
It's just one of those it. I think he just sort of likes
that the founded it. Yes, it could have popped up
constantly. It's like the fact that we were
told several times that Moriarty first name is Jim.
It's make any Yeah, totally see going and mixtures, and they
have this Workshop. You were there with their
tinkering and they they accidentally build this
airplane, but the workshop is specifically identify the
location of the workshop as being on Lyle Street.
Do you, did you know anything about loyal Street?
I don't know if a little while sleep now, but the vert, I did
wonder about this because and this is a funny thing was that
like, because being so intensely, With the tight
version. Yeah, I had I did really stop
when I when listening to the version that's now running on
that are available. BBC sounds I could immediately
tell that that I'd had a few cut bits put into it.
Yeah, that's right. We're not there in the tape and
you can tell actually, you can tell if you're on if you're on
headphones because the quality goes a little bit, you can hear
about a background noise. Yes, offer a lower quality
recording. And there is a referent one of
those that had been cut with a reference to Loyal street, but
if you want, if if you, if you, if you can't get up in Lisle
Street then. Well, if it then something will
see so you can see, you can comes in now, on the, on the, on
the, the version that you have grown up with, on the tape, on
the casino segars invented the airplane, but it can't, he can't
take off from Wall Street because every time he tries to
the lights turn red, okay? That's his excuse and in the in
the cut bit, that's then that we've heard since reinstated
grip, pipes as well. If you can't go off and
Straight, you'll never get off anywhere, right?
That's it. Yeah.
Now Lyle Street was a very Infamous and famous red light
district in. So what I thought?
Yeah, yeah, because yeah, because obviously, this is just
explain funny way doesn't know that.
Yeah, this is the versions that were slightly edited for
overseas. I believe it's repeated would be
the ones that survived but they would cut topical references,
and UK specific references and sometimes anything that They
thought was a bit too full. See that line?
If you can't get off and Lyle Street.
You never got off. Anyway. 4 1957.
That's quite well, it's likes me.
I mean you thought of obviously riffing off like the previous
line. But yeah, barely.
But it's barely a double entendre.
It is kind of a finger on top. It's there's not some yeah, it's
not it's not it's not even really innuendo that much.
It's just used to saying and some reason just before that
line, see you soon. First grit pipe is great.
Has he said Griffin has don't know why.
Yeah, so we have this, this Aeroplane they, but in order to
get the airplane off the ground, they need an Aerodrome in order
for it to take off from. And we have this hilarious
sequence with henrique run which I've always been extremely fond
of and Henry's going to build Croydon Croydon airport, which I
think is now Gatwick, isn't it? Yes, it is.
Yeah. And I love about is we got MIT.
We've got many, many and well, get Henry, and then we've got
many briefly. Yes, but it's in the background.
Whenever you got minion, Henry, almost always, they're together.
Yeah, in some scene and often just going off on tangents and
misunderstanding each other and fighting and all the rest of it.
But you do get quite a number of shows where where many will be
at at a public meeting heckling. We're Committee hearing
actually. Yeah.
As she is here.
And I said, yeah, that's it. You mentioned about the Welsh
Harry, doing the Welsh. Yeah, construction site guy.
Yeah. And and there's that sped up
dialogue. You would do know that dialogue.
I've got the dialogue written out if you want to hear
actually. So I would, I would love to hear
what. So I wish I could say this in a
George Saunders voice. But he says He said you dull.
Stupid half-witted useless jumped up, never come down Idol,
dull-headed Winnick. If I get my hands on you I'll
beat all the sawdust out of that thickness of yours.
You'll be spawned and honed within an inch of your life.
Your head is a size of a number two grapefruit not to mention.
Good night, Gladys Young. I just wanted to interrupt the
conversation, just very briefly to talk about Peter Sellers,
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being a new character. Now there's also a, there's
another this particular episode. There is a prominent character
who we don't hear from very often.
It's a characters it's a voice that isn't yours, not one of the
big seven or eight goon show characters.
In fact, it's not really second division, goon show characters,
what it's more, one of the, the more obscure voices that sellers
would occasionally employ, which is character called Sydney men.
Okay, now, do you now. This is the guy who turns up in
wins over dagenham as a geographical Society
representative. Oh, yeah.
Yes, yeah. No.
You made.
Yeah, it's weird. It's a voice that remember, but
it's a bit like, I don't know. The way he comes in it.
Sort of reminds me a bit of Kenneth Williams in Hancock, but
it's sort of where he might be doing different things, but it's
sort of a voice and an attitude more than a character, you know,
exactly. Well it's funny.
Enough. It was, you know, sellers before
he I think the what, two years before the gun show he was in
razor, laughs fact he was in razor laughs up until was a 54.
I think he was the voice man on Rosa laughs and Ted Ray Show.
And Kenneth Connor more or less took over when cell has departed
as the voice man on razor laughs?
Okay. And there was a, there was a
character on Resler play by Kenneth Connor which which had
this kind of voice. So I think Peter Sellers more or
less filched that voice and adopted that voice in very often
in around this time, sort of Series 7 sort of 1956 57 and it
would be for minor officials. Petty officialdom, you know the
internet went by the way, Kenneth Connor guest-starred in
Goon show from the ninth series called, who is pink oboe?
Yes, that was the that was the one show that sellers was absent
from. So You Had Kenneth Connor, you
had fun time, dial your head G Stark and Jack train and Connor.
Actually himself plays that Sydney more.
Does that Sydney Mincey voice? It moaning.
Now she go, these are the code names, you know, I like And feel
strange in this program to? Yes, we have this guy this
geographical Society represent. If he wants to, he wants to be
on the Aeroplane on its Maiden flight because he wants to
photograph the Earth from a great height.
He wants to prove once and for all that the Earth is flat.
Now there is a mystery surrounding the nomenclature
suppose because in the original Script the actual script that
they used on the night of recording.
And I've seen these scripts, the character is actually down as
malfeasance that is, that is the name on the script for this
character. Yeah.
As malf, easa and see malfeasance.
So we don't know why he was called malfeasance, but he's
become known subsequently as Sydney mincing.
It's it It basically culminates in that great sort of
crowd-pleasing line. Where equals says, I've seen
the, ER, through the cloud and Sydney says, did it look round?
Yeah, but I don't think it's saw me one.
That always really appealed to me when I was a kid with the
line about the petrol driven by. Then yes, this is what I was
leading to because that is my favorite line, it is throwaway
line and it doesn't really get a reaction.
No. Yeah, but that's just it.
Some thought that was the thing that I was aware of this.
Like it was that some sort of dramatic Trope wasn't there or
maybe a comedy troupe, that of saying, you know, I'll I'll
never do something again. Yes.
And it would usually refer to the fact that like, you know,
you wouldn't play the violin again because your hand would
have, you know, one of your arms would have fallen asleep with
gangrene or something. Yeah, but if I do but just a
ridiculous line, if it being a petrol driven, it's one of those
throwaway lines that I love and I tried in fact, on the first
episode of this podcast, was we covered the show, the Goon show
The Man Who Never Was from series 8 and there's a great
example of a type of goon show gag that I love and I can't
really describe it. But it's where like that.
There's a line where there's in the many never was where blood,
lots of microfilm. Umm, but he needs to study study
and he says I'll I'll just put this microfilm under this heavy
microscope for a moment. It keeps it flat.
When I put my glasses on okay thing which doesn't get a laugh
it just kind of gets it gets a mild Titta from the audience.
I think that's fantastic. Yeah.
And I think the same is of this. This it's a petrol driven violin
dear. Yeah.
Definitely. That's one of those jokes that
really emerges in the writing. I think we're The way you kind
of write yourself into that situation and then you're like,
okay, what do they say next? And then if you just go for its
well, in some ways it's the most straightforward one and in some
ways option that you could have. But in also, if also the most
ridiculous, same time, which is what I love about it.
It's like it it's actually not complicated and yet, it's
completely stupid. Hello.
I've got the ball in chorus doing awfully that's just for
the railing to Breakers. Yeah and racist.
Stop plugging your record Marie one of my.
So this is this this was recorded.
Late, December 56, and in December, early as December 56.
You got to go, Al was released on record.
Yeah, it was spiked with Larry, Larry Stevens on piano and the
Mast Albert's. So that's the guys that worked
with sellers of Milligan on show called Fred.
And so, Fred and also Bruce Lacey, and it's produced by
George Martin less. Yes.
Yeah of so many of them were. Yeah.
And at some point hopefully this
year going to be doing a show about get a pretty going to be
called produced by George Martin which will be about the seller
and again over. Yeah speaking of URLs of George
must. I do think it's some is true of
all good truthfully I don't think it's anything particularly
tied to this one that I could think of that.
But have that I could think of this sort of picked up And
Beetle stuff but it's I do really fit I've said this before
but I feel like you can't I generally feel you can't
understand the Beatles. Completely if you've not heard
the Goon show I certainly think you can't understand John Lennon
completely you know the gunshot. I think it's very it's it you
could really see it in the psyche of fact I was thinking
when I was watching The Gap back documentaries so much of of John
and Paul and particular there. Are their relationship but they
just they do silly voices at each other constantly and I
think that's very much something that has kind of come from
there. Lots of the Goon show is that
they just they adopt these characters, these kind of
constantly in these sort of it. You know, you'll get these edges
of like a Henry and many sometimes or blue model
vehicles, as fit. That's just kind of how they
communicate is by putting on these silly voices and like
creating these sort of spontaneous little double axe, I
think that's very much. It was a cow.
Mounted this radio comedy world and particularly the Goon show
where where you were just you just hear grown bit grown
adults, doing silly voices in your house constantly.
Well, you look at yeah. And if to listen to be side of
Let It Be, You Know, My Name Look at the number.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I think that's, it's not footage but I definitely found
that would like that very much John.
Paul's thing that was just of how they communicate it, they've
quite different personalities in some ways but they just they
both just love doing silly voices.
Indeed, they had a did have a very similar sense of humor.
Yeah but you know it also just you know just the way that a bit
the things like speed it up records that were talking about
cecum. I think it does create that
awareness in a whole generation of people have the idea that you
can manipulate sound which I think of huge and just simple
little things like that because Milligan has this fascination
with. We can do this for the sound and
meaning Milligan, always loves to just speed up a sound.
Just get the comedy value out of that video.
It's a quite often it for cheap laughs but it it works.
People just love to hear a speeded-up noise.
Yeah. And yeah, that's that that
little thing for that. Both kind of bits where you just
the Delight in changing a sound and and the possibilities of
doing that when you're not doing it live, but you're doing it,
record it, but then, obviously, there were doing it live in
front of an audience, but fact, you can add in these recorded
noises or treated noises I think, It's just and that just
wormed its way into a queue into a whole generation of musicians
when he thought it was almost Christmas as it come at once.
When the radio phonic, Workshop, set up.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's, I guess it come and find very nicely with, with the
possibilities that the medical was looking for provided.
It happened around the same time.
It's, um, you know, just the idea that you can do something
that isn't just like, I mean, I guess, I guess what?
Comes down to it. It's not because you know the
the audience at home. Can't see exactly what you're
doing and it kind of hides. The joints between these things
and it becomes something, but it's a bit more than just
something that you could go and see in a theater.
It kind of creates its own thing.
The fact that it's going out on the radio and you're told and
mixing up the live sound with recorded sound and kind of you
know making it seem reasonably seamless.
Yeah, yeah. I'm just looking through my
notes here to seek said we've covered quite a bit of ground
here but yeah I meant you Mentioned at the outset.
You you won't show for this was based on anything in particular.
I don't, I don't think it was, it was as far as I know it
wasn't based on any film or book.
No nothing like that. Although the title from what I
can find out that the title Wings Over dagenham is
apparently based on a very popular play which was then made
into a film in 1954 called seagulls over Sorrento right,
which was a British movie but with Gene Kelly In it and it is
a war film but it's got nothing from looking at the plot.
It doesn't seem to have any sort of bearing on this.
Nothing to do with the airplanes being built or anything like
that. So I think it was just a kick,
you know, it was it sounds Wings Over.
Dagenham is, obviously it's ridiculous title, it should be
something Grand and mysterious and dramatic.
Like, I don't know. Wings Over Zanzibar something
like that. Not dagenham.
Yeah. But we've always heard that
forwards of found by of the goons is, Is is sort of
unglamorous suburban locations of they'd always love to drop
one of those in for a bit of a bit of bait off.
Oh, you mentioned that actually another favorite line of mine.
And it's not particularly funny Spike or Larry or one of them,
probably spent half an hour cheering on the end of the
pencil. Then in the end, they wrote down
line for Crum. I've been driven here from
reigate to say this line. It's not about though.
So it is there anything else about this particular show that
you wanted to talk about before we start wrapping up?
No, no. Except I mean like I feel like
it would be very much in the spirit of the episode to wrap up
ridiculously quickly. Yes.
Because I mean, yes. But actually, but that is
something that I do think, it's kind of funny about this is that
it does, it really does have the feel of and you know, he did,
they get away with it because it's funny and it's the foot of
the Plot doesn't really matter. But there is very much a sense
of Milligan Stevens. Like saying have we got enough
material yet and when we have a site, right?
Stop will that do? That'll do ya.
But but yeah, it is sort of it's sort of it sort of is it is
quite sort of plot heavy. In terms of everything doesn't
keep linking back into this thing that they have to do.
But at the same time, it does sort of like have this
miscellaneous collections. A lot will have many different
spins. Can we get on this, what, what
could happen now? What could happen now, then the
actual ending of it doesn't even matter.
It's just, you know, they yeah but it's I guess I guess the
payoff of the whole thing is that we do actually manage to
get something into the air. Yeah, yeah.
So that's kind of that's your audience satisfaction but it
just doesn't look like everyone's thoughts, spawn.
Thoughts. One is saved, but who even cares
precisely precisely? So exit will any?
Thank you so much for joining me to talk about this show.
Oh no, thank you. Phone me on.
Yeah, so right. So, drunk on all your strange
new words. So yeah, about that, right?
Well, the first of the five fiction novel about set a little
into the future for the other end of the 21st century when
Earth is Each contact with aliens to make contact with
Arts. They communicate telepathically
and only a handful of humans have the ability to do this, but
the downside is that even once you've learned it, it's sort of
messes with your brain chemistry and makes you feel drunk.
It's about a young woman from Halifax, who never expected to
get out of Halifax and then suddenly she plucked trained up
and she found herself working in New York for the cultural
attaché. This alien species.
Wow. Well and it's going a bit you
know, if going a bit bumpy but she's kind of getting on OK.
And then her boss is murdered and there aren't an awful lot of
suspects and cheese, the closest person to him so suspicion falls
on her. She kind of has to solve the
murder himself. No, well, so it's a murder
mystery sci fi de Stope Ian Thriller.
Yes, yes, basically all those things and I tried to put some
joke then you know, it's like okay.
People say it's, you know, people in love with my comedy
worker like is it a comedy? If I know but I tried to put
some funny business in there. It's partly just the stuff that
influence me when I was when I was younger, you know, and I
used to watch a lot of things where, you know, a lot of things
that were black comedy, you know, you know, did the 90s
like, we're watching Tarantino films and things like that and
there's loads of jokes and most obviously the early ones and
loads of jokes and like, you know, and they'll even at the
most grimly. Umm, until / joking.
I don't know. That always feels real to me and
part of the fact that I just like watching it, cuz it's
funny. I don't think you have, you
know, people do do observed things in Grim situations and
say, the wrong thing, and it in many ways of potential for humor
is bigger than those because it's more inappropriate and so
much of humor depends on doing the inappropriate.
Think the situation, you know, maybe episode we've been talking
about the whole Cube event come from the fact that this is a
serious situation, And, and everyone is approaching it in a
completely ridiculous way. I mean, would you say that it
was Die Hard sort of the granddaddy of that, in terms of
serious, life-threatening violent situations where there's
a lot of Comedy peppered throughout it.
But I should go. I haven't thought of that but
you might be right, because I've been a thief to forget now, but
Willis was known mostly as a comedy guy, you know, it's sort
of come from doing Nightingale like that night.
Goodnight, again, it's not Nightingale with Robert Lindsey.
I'd love to have seen that, so nice.
It Nightingale different up on bread box.
I was telling everyone to watch and write it from my mind if my
favorite probably my favorite sitcom ever, I do is actually
yeah. I've pitched variant from it
about, at least, three or four times.
I've kind of gone to commissioning people in Ghana,
would add something where, like, people are in a building at
night and weird things happen and they, you know, necessarily
that is an example of black comedy with Comedy, yeah, yeah,
yeah, and G people died in that and ya know, I know, I know
there's nobody here but us chickens.
I don't mean, you know, without before this.
But yeah, the last episodes does stuff go to quite Dark Places.
Yeah. And it's still very funny.
But ya know what's? So, what's the Bruce Willis?
Mood, lighting, mood lights off. So he'd come from that and then
he'd like, Dom some comedy films as his like, that's his
transition to being a film actor.
It didn't really come off. Off and then sort of Die Hard
was really counterintuitive at the time, but that was, that was
kind of what made it specially this actually that's what's
missing from. You know the more recent Die
Hard films is that like he was just kind of like slightly,
Goofy character and like and then, you know, he turned to be
very capable but he would, he would be approaching it in this
kind of funny. Yes.
Like the desperate just Clinging On by his fingernails kind of
way, which is always more appealing, you know, it's the
way it does get a bit boring when you have action heroes, who
just A sort of impassive and professional and just do
everything. You know, it's more fun to have
an Indiana Jones type who's scared of snakes, you know.
Yeah. You need they need to have fell
ability. Yeah.
You don't want someone who's too efficient, do you know?
No, well, it's well, it's a turbine that's coming out as we
say in the end of June. So, yep.
Wish you all the very best was with with that Eddie.
Yeah, thank you. Anything else you working on
coming up? Oh yeah I've got on at the
moment. If I've got a podcast Drama for
kids called Truth diggers, which is a comedy and that's like it's
true crime podcast, but it's not true, we made it up.
That was kind of the concept is, it's okay making a true crime
podcast and I can't take credit for the idea of shit.
My producers idea. But he said, do you fancy
writing a novel? Yep.
Okay. But he his idea which I would
you have to agreed with that. It should be a bit like, you
know, Neil Gaiman book. Fortunately, the milk, which is
about this dad who he's been out to get the milk.
Then if he claims, he's gone with wild adventure, he's
obviously making it all up, right?
No no. But, you know, it's sort of
like, but for the idea was that it would get this, this podcast
would get start off on quite a realistic sort of thing, but
they're just investigation of going disappeared, and then it
becomes increasingly outlandish. So, you know, that's ghosts and
vampires and Pirates, and aliens, and it just all the what
I've bought, what really appealed to me about.
That was But I just thought throughout the kids are trying
to be very serious and professional sort of like, you
know, they'll interview people for the motel, right?
So you're a ghost in the 13th century, you know what, what's
your perspective on this? And yeah, so that's running on
fun, kid radio at the moment. One sec.
Sorry. What's that called you?
It is called truthdig of Truth diggers.
Okay. Yes, the True Crime podcast is
massive, massive industry. Now if I mean I was actually it
was always trying to find one to listen to, to go about it.
And like there is a does quite this a lot which are which will
be. Just I mean it's sort of like
the format of this which is like but they're talking about a
murder rather than an episode of the Goon show.
Yeah. With your foot a bit I find a
bit kind of, I don't know. It's um I don't know, I kind of
like if I'm going to listen to people chatting about something,
you know, I couldn't believe it, that something fun rather than
like them sort of going and then, you know, oh, well, you
know, this was the Mistake they made but don't you see him?
Did you see if you seen that Steve Martin Martin Short show
that haven't yet? No.
No people keep recommending that to me.
What's it only matters? Yeah.
Listen to say thank you once again and if ever you want to
come on and talk about something else.
That's got some some vague gun-related connection than
you'd be very, very welcome back.
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