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buttons. 
Hit could you slow down? 

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of the earth. 
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Did it look round? 
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me. 
Hello and welcome to goon pod 

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the podcast in which myself 
Tyler Adams and a guest, talk 

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about anything to do with the 
Goon show or anything that 

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features sellers Milligan cecum 
or been team. 

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And my guest is the novelist 
writer multi-talented, 

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individual more on that shortly.
Eddie Robson. 

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So I hope Hope you enjoy the 
conversation, Eddie Robson. 

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Welcome to Green Pod. 
No, hello, thanks for having me 

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on. 
You're very welcome, you're very

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welcome. 
Now, let me just pop on my pain 

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snake and bruised your CV 
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extensive CD here. 
Yeah, you've pretty much it's 

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fair to say, you've pretty much 
worked. 

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I mean you're out your 
ostensibly. 

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You. 
You are a writer and a novelist.

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And you've worked in most 
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Film Eddie. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, pretty much. 
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And and your work often tends to
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Fantastical and you've written 
novels such as Tomorrow. 

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Never Knows. 
Yeah, and hearts of Oak and 

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you've got a new one coming out 
having you, yes called drunken 

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all your strange new word for 
which is out what I do. 

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Well, as we're speaking, it is 
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June. 
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then. 
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well you can talk about that a 
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the show because we always do a 
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you've also you've also got 
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Doctor Who contents a radio 
plays and comic adaptations and 

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short stories and things like 
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Yeah, yeah, great deal. 
Yes. 

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Yeah. 
So that's kind of where I got my

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break into script writing, those
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Okay. 
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You work not so much now. 
But you used to do quite a bit 

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with big finish. 
Yeah, I do that. 

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I thought Do the old one when 
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Yeah. 
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I was there was a point when I 
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be writing about four or five a 
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which was great, but I do, I 
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They want to move on to other 
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get who doubts as they say. 
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Doctor, Who in the 80s, used to 
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would get who doubt. 
And, yeah, I did. 

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I don't want that to happen. 
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ever come back to me and say, 
hey, do you fancy doing this? 

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And I've, oh, yeah, it's never 
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This seems to be with this 
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That's be going for a year now. 
They're in almost every episode 

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of this podcast. 
There's at least one reference 

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to dr. 
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reference to The Beatles. 
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but I don't, I think it's just 
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Doctor Who and the Beatles both 
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that British cultural landscape 
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the Goon show. 
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often, they're definitely 
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you. 
Mainly for the Radio 4 comedy 

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series, Welcome to our village 
please invade carefully, which 

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was very popular. 
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Well, that's what was that 23 
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So we don't know. 
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know if they eat, it was sort of
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Very popular mean it does it had
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didn't get enough and I'm 
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unlikely. 
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pilot and then when we got the 
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get a series, we've got a 
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unlikely, we'll get a second 
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series and then by the end of 
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the kiss of death on and I 
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we would get that second and 
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lot of TV. 
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obsessed by Sarah & Duck. 
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At one point you've written for 
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You've written for kids TV quite
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Yeah but I've got that. 
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necessity with CBeebies on. 
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I know every show on the channel
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detail again. 
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We enjoyed watching wear them 
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Duckworth top of the lesson that
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Duck? 
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Misty. 
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we reserve you know bag plus and
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I, yeah, in fact, I was doing an
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time and I pitched it before. 
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Brothers book and they said, oh 
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And then they suddenly came back
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actually maybe but can you do it
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ask, okay, who let you down, 
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But I think that was that was 
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The subtext. 
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Somebody else have not 
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quickly can you write one? 
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What's the best Coen Brothers 

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do really love that one, but I 
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then complete as ago, I watched 
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Mmm. 
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I watched it again for the book.
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good. 
I don't know what I was making 

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it possible to difficulty to 
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George Clooney is a revelation. 
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him in that. 
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bit more self-regarding than you
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willing to send himself often to
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what I love about it Fontenot 
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he is character, So Vain and 
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a guy who thinks he's George 
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thinks it even better. 
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I feel less key heart from just 
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if you know and it's not the way
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when he he's woken in the middle
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he doesn't like my hat. 
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for it now or something like 
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We're in trouble now. 
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Okay. 
Why did they remake the 

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ladykillers? 
Why did they do well actually, I

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do, you know what if do you 
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remade the lady? 
Good one. 

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Actually do know this. 
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was around the time they were 
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really expensive film. 
They wants to make called to the

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white fee that would have 
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Brad Pitt and would have been 
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to raise quite a lot of money 
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undertaking, you know, odd jobs 
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you know, raise their stock a 
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become a director. 
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signed on to do the remake of 
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Do you want to write the script?
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helping out a mate. 
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They did this, they did the this
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went. 
Okay, bye. 

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And then Barry, sonnenfeld left 
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exactly why they give, you know,
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themselves in because Because 
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somebody else. 
In this film would go out with 

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their names on it. 
That would have been dumb. 

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Dear not the way they want it to
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So they went okay, we'll take it
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sort of it because it felt like 
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If you just regards of the next 
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Think why are they done that? 
They could do anything they 

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money and then they kind of 
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I think they were Keen to kind 
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hudsucker proxy for not being 
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Well, I mean, they weren't 
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trying to remake such a Almost 
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Yeah. 
And I don't like what I quite 

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like, the remake of the 
ladykillers. 

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It's just it's one of those 
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know, it didn't need to be done,
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I think it's I think it's a 
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right? 
It's yeah, it's top. 

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It's not where least favorite 
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the original ladykillers 
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count and Peter Sellers oh he 
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the Goon show, yeah, rather 
neatly brings us on to the topic

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of this podcast. 
So Eddie what you're a similar 

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age to me. 
So you weren't around, 

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obviously, when it was going out
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So how did you, how did you come
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Yeah, I think probably like a 
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I got it through my parents, my 
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My mom really loved the Goon 

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show when she was growing up. 
And it was when Yeah, we did. 

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We just I think it was actually 
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who was a big comedy fan. 
Absolutely radio comedy fan. 

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Had a lot of video, tapes of the
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borrow them and I'd actually I 
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fact, I used to go around to his
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of, like, have done with a 
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had Like come three gaming, PC 
set up in a room with this old 

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reel-to-reel tape recorder that 
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he had like a regional 
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I'm sorry, I'll read that again,
which, which we certain lesson 

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two. 
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her head fell forward like we 
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party on a cable channel, which 
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on TV as much these days. 
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But probably the first time I'm 
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Actually, one of those films, 
probably dr. 

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Strangelove when I was at 
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those wanted to strange, kind of
crossover that like you hear 

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about Stanley Kubrick and he's, 
you know, do the Clockwork 

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Orange and shining and Full 
Metal Jacket guy and then the 

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sort of the incongruity of him 
working with some, like, Peter 

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fellows, who I knew from, you 
know, it's 50s. 

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Comedy work. 
Yeah. 

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But the fact that it was, it was
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work together but that Kubrick 
rated him. 

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So highly that he wanted him to 
play every part in the film. 

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But he, you know, that he was 
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fourth part in the film. 
Wasn't eating salads like many 

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feign injury or something? 
Yeah, he wasn't. 

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He didn't think he could get the
accent. 

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Texan accent. 
That was required. 

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He was a bit. 
He just didn't feel confident. 

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So I think he's eat sprained his
ankle if you know what I mean. 

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I mean, Cubic not known 
necessarily for reusing actors 

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and obviously you use sellers 
twice. 

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You sell. 
Yeah, yeah, the L. 

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Yeah. 
There are very few. 

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Yeah. 
There were very few actors he 

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ever used twice. 
So it was and it was and I think

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the was he probably would have 
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circumstances that had gone 
correctly. 

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But yeah, it's um, yeah, you 
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major directors. 
Actually, most have at least a 

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few Are you really firmly 
associate with them? 

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But he did the closest that you 
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sellers really further. 
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certainly in terms of lead actor
stated he did like using Leonard

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Rossiter, but fruit British 
comedy presence. 

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So, so obviously, when you and I
were in contact, talking about 

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you coming on the show, you 
nominated, the episode, The Goon

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Show episode wings, Is over 
dagenham, calling be for 

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calling, be for hello control 
calling before. 

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Hello, Captain. 
Is that you be for ya? 

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Why did you answer me before? 
Because I didn't hear you 

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before. 
Listen warning, do not land 

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column airport because it's not 
there yet. 

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Now what is your exact position 
and lying on my side with my 

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knees drawn up and the Machine 
why I'm at home in bed? 

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So why this particular episode 
white? 

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Well actually I was really just 
looking at because there were a 

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few few of the ones that first 
came to mind your previous guest

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already taken. 
So I was really just looking at 

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like, What ones that I really 
remember. 

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Well and it was like this one 
that I remembered from those 

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tapes. 
So I really just kind of thought

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went through those. 
I want to suggest this one. 

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I thought oh how well do I 
actually know that one because 

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yeah I hadn't thought about it 
for a good few years and I 

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listen back to it and I look got
it you know. 

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Not only do I do you do is a 
Dua, you know, once that my 

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memory was drugged, I remembered
it really well but also the were

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like phrases from it, but I 
thought I've got, I even still 

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safe. 
Things like that. 

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Yeah. 
But I'd kind of Forgotten where 

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they even came from and yeah 
like 1 phi1 for Revisited. 

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It it cut. 
It does some with a lot of the 

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stuff that I that I don't know. 
It sums up a lot of what sort of

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is a goon show to me, a lot of 
the kind of radio tricks of it. 

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And the subject matter is a 
really encapsulated in this 

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episode so he'd have probably 
heard it on because it was 

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released as goon show classics 
number six Young 79. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah that probably would have 

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been but that a bit with that 
man on tape or record both those

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all right. 
Okay. 

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Yeah. 
But what else is on that? 

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Volume right. 
Well, here's the interesting 

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thing. 
It it was on one side. 

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It was Wings over dagenham. 
At the other side was the rent 

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collectors? 
Yeah, yes. 

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The interesting thing is that 
both shows Wings over dagenham 

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and the rent collectors were 
recorded on the same night, all 

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right? 
And there's something in Wings 

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Over dagenham, which is made 
more explicit in the rent 

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collectors, which will come to. 
Okay, actually thinking about 

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that. 
So, did they? 

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I don't know this, but did they 
generally record to in a night? 

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No, no, no, that's that if I 
could, but my impression was 

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always that they, it was very 
withdrawn as they went along. 

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They would like, right one of 
the week, rehearse record and 

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then done, but actually, when 
we've done, whenever I've done 

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radio comedy, We always do to a 
night because you can, you can 

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comfortably get an hour of 
material in the cam, it allowing

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for retakes and cut things down,
and it's obviously much more 

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economical with hiring the 
venue. 

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Well, what they, actually, they 
try to avoid doing two shows of 

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the same night because it could,
because it could affect quality 

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because, you know, it's quite 
tiring. 

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And yeah, and in this, in the 
eighth series, they often 

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recorded two shows. 
You know, on Sunday night, yeah,

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record the show that was going 
to be part of the, the eighth 

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series proper. 
And they were also recording 

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remakes on some old series for 
shows, which were going to be 

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going out, or sold for overseas 
sales overseas, radio stations. 

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And and that's why the eighth 
series is generally considered 

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to be a little bit patchy and 
why, the series for remade shows

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which come under the banner of 
vintage. 

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Goons, you know, they are seen 
as being a bit patchy well, but 

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the read no. 
I mean, the reason why it was 

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recorded with the, the, to two 
different shows recorded the 

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same night was because, well, it
was there were both recorded. 35

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December 1956, okay? 
Which was a Sunday. 

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I think the reason they did it 
was that sellers wanted a free 

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sundae in early January to 
record television show. 

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Yeah. 
So Wings over dagenham. 

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So it's it's the UND episode of 
Series 7. 

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Yeah, it's written by Spike 
Milligan Larry Stevens. 

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Reduce my that Dixon and it was 
actually broadcast on the 10th 

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of January 1957. 
Yeah. 

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And 10th of January by the way. 
957 is quite a momentous day. 

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British history. 
Do you know where that was? 

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I do not certain Harold 
MacMillan. 

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Became prime minister that duh 
Beth Burton Avenue, that a 

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lovely thought. 
Britain had a new prime minister

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and also that night. 
So the 10th of January 1957, 

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this one out on the home 
service. 

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At the same time, Spike Milligan
was appearing on the Petula 

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Clark show, on television. 
All right, so weeks over 

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dagenham There is a synopsis for
this which was supplied by BBC 

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transcription services. 
So I'll just quickly run through

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the synopsis just to set the 
scene for the first time. 

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The real story behind the 
invention of the airplane is 

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told the problems confronting 
the daring inventor of the 

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fiendish heavier than air 
machine. 

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Seem insuperable, will he, for 
instance, find anyone with the 

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skill and foresight to invent an
Aerodrome. 

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Listen to this gripping, tale of
the battle between man and the 

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elements. 
We feel sure you'll be on the 

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side of the elements every time 
so you wrote that, not sure he 

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wrote that, but it was. 
So it was a little little sort 

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of synopsis printed in the 
transcription Services. 

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Variety catalog. 
So, what is it? 

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You know, when you think of this
show, what immediately do you 

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think of? 
Is it the, the Situation's, the 

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lines, the characters, what in 
particular? 

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Yeah, I mean, I think I mean, 
first of all, I'd the fact that 

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it's Got this sort of the 
support of military aspect to it

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all which is something that I 
obviously always associate with 

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with an elegant and I guess 
there's like something that you 

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often get I guess in the Goon 
show is you get sort of 

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ridiculous institutions and 
that's sort of very much here. 

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Sort of like the you get this 
sense of a large number of men 

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who've got together to solve a 
problem in in the Convoluted way

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possible here. 
But they yeah, I don't know if 

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there's a, I'd be interested to 
know what the inspiration behind

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this is. 
I don't know if you can 

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enlighten me at all on that, but
it's because it's obviously not 

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the invention of the airplane, 
as we know it. 

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I don't know if there's any 
basis in in anything that 

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happened in history, but someone
whether it's based on someone's 

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failed attempt to invent the 
airplane, but it does appear to 

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be. 
That Milligan is just wholesale 

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made this up and it Just 
arbitrarily decided that it's 

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going to be set in a certain 
area. 

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It doesn't sort of really matter
but it's set in in that era. 

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It's not historically important,
really, but he just sort of it. 

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I don't know the fact that it's 
just it's just wholesale 

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invented the far as I can tell. 
Well yeah, it's bookended by so 

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it's the plot. 
What there is of the plot is 

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that this fictional thoughts 
spawn is under siege. 

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Yeah, and the garrisons out of 
supplies so they they need, they

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need Someone to invent the 
airplane. 

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Yeah. 
In order to fly them in supplies

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but obviously you know it's 1902
and it's a year before the 

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airplane. 
Yes, there are plans for 

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invented. 
Yeah. 

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I like the fact that everyone 
knows our planes are going to be

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invented. 
Yeah. 

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Boy that no one has but it's 
kind of like Ludacris a historic

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atheist or F at a historic ality
of the big night, maybe a word 

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of may not be is, is what really
appeals to me about. 

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About it. 
It's yeah, the fact that you 

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know, love the fact that they 
the moment they've invented the 

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airplane grip, pipe phones up. 
And like the air Ministry has 

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just been waiting for someone to
invent. 

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They have a flame so they've got
something to do. 

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It's right. 
Well, let's race been down to be

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invented a 1903. 
I didn't, I didn't check wasn't 

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1903. 
That's what that's it. 

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So so so the plot the setup is 
obviously the business business 

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military fort, which needs 
supplies the someone to fly in 

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supplies and then we have 27, 28
minutes of stuff that more or 

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less, isn't related at all? 
No to that. 

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And then and then a line at the 
end, say we did it. 

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We dropped the supplies and 
everyone's happy, the end the 

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right, like the actual 
resolution. 

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One of the plot in about 10 
seconds. 

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Yes, yes. 
But it does. 

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I think what's interesting about
that is that it does. 

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It's a weird full of writing 
Professor Milligan and whoever 

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he's working with must have had 
to go with through with with 

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these because because I mean he 
was writing these incredibly 

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quickly. 
It's um you know, having having 

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had myself, 18 months at one 
point to write six episodes in 

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the series, it's the idea of 
even if you About the Reuters in

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to help you out. 
The idea of writing, 26 episodes

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a year is kind of terrifying. 
And my one day, he had several 

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nervous breakdowns along the 
way. 

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He's also set in felt this kind 
of odd Challenge, and I find 

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kind of fascinating about the 
gun show that we just accept. 

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This is what we're going to do 
is and this is how it works, is 

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that it's got a fixed cast of 
characters. 

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But no fixed setting or even a 
fixed, like, even even Fixed 

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roles for those characters 
within each episode. 

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And I guess it kind of involves 
out of it because I'm sorry, I 

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haven't heard the early ones 
because they don't exist, but I 

451
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,800
think it must sort of evolved 
out of it being originally. 

452
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,100
This kind of sketch show that 
evolves into having whole plot. 

453
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,700
So that is correct me if I'm 
wrong. 

454
00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:43,800
But this is the format of the 
early episodes would be that. 

455
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,000
They'd have. 
Yeah, like some sketches 

456
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,900
sketches and within sketch over,
but I can't think of a profound,

457
00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:52,800
for example, at the moment, 
we'll definitely seen that in 

458
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,700
sketch shows where You establish
a character, and then they kind 

459
00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:01,200
of they might pop up to do their
role but you familiar that 

460
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,700
you're familiar with them doing 
in an unusual setting. 

461
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:07,100
Like it might be a historical 
setting or just a different, a 

462
00:26:07,108 --> 00:26:09,800
place you would expect to pull, 
but you do get these characters 

463
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,200
who, you know, the same 
character, but they're taking a 

464
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,700
different role. 
And I think this must be how the

465
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:20,300
gun show ended up evolving, was 
that, you've got that mindset of

466
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:22,600
like, okay, they're kind of, 
they're almost that kind of the 

467
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,200
personalities rather than 
character. 

468
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,200
It's a sort of personalities and
voices and then you kind of fit 

469
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,700
them into other parts. 
And like, this is a really good 

470
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:36,700
example of that because because 
Ned see goon is in this, this 

471
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,700
kind of scrolling inventor 
character, which is just what 

472
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:43,800
works the story, but in various 
other episodes, you know, 

473
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,500
there's the one, you know, the 
one where he's the Prime 

474
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,800
Minister. 
The see, you know, in quite a 

475
00:26:47,808 --> 00:26:51,600
lot of them he's just kind of 
reminds me a bit of some of 

476
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:54,200
Laurel and Hardy characters, 
he's kind of drifting vague. 

477
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,700
If you get it right, you know, 
that's kind of what he's like in

478
00:26:57,708 --> 00:27:00,600
Napoleon's piano. 
He's just kind of wondering 

479
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,200
about sort of man of no fixed 
address. 

480
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,200
Who, who just is looking for odd
jobs. 

481
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,700
Yeah. 
Usually usually he's the putts, 

482
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,400
he's the rube. 
Yes, he's the Patsy young. 

483
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:15,500
But yeah. 
I mean, like last week's episode

484
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:19,500
that we covered was Tales of 
Montmartre, which was set in 

485
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:22,900
1880 in France, for his boys 
playing toulouse-lautrec. 

486
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,400
Yeah, he's with the has been set
in ancient Roman Britain in 

487
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,600
history have done of the old. 
It's been that. 

488
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:35,000
But for all, or even like 
established stories like that, 

489
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,400
like the Robin Hood one, you 
know, you just sort of set them 

490
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,400
to an existing story. 
Yes, that's it. 

491
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,000
Exactly. 
So and it's incredibly that must

492
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,000
be incredibly freeing. 
Yeah. 

493
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,800
Well it looks of it it for the 
freeing in a way but also for 

494
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,600
have you got the blank sheet 
every time you do it does it is 

495
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,500
helpful in some ways because 
What offered what you need? 

496
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:56,900
What you need to get a story 
going. 

497
00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:59,700
If you need those characters 
where you kind of say, okay, I'm

498
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:02,800
going to put this counter in 
this situation then if you know 

499
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,300
the character well enough, if 
there are strong character then 

500
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:06,900
you can work out what they would
do. 

501
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:10,400
And you definitely have that in 
the Goon show. 

502
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,500
When I get you have we know what
counts is going to do and in 

503
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:17,300
fact a lot of the fun comes from
the fact that you know even even

504
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,200
as they appear like when you 
know when when Blue Bottle 

505
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,100
appears and something you kind 
of, you think I know where this 

506
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,800
is going. 
You got it. 

507
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,900
It's part of the pleasure of it 
is that even if the characters 

508
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:32,100
have never encountered Blue 
Bottle before we have a we're 

509
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,300
anticipating a blue bottom type 
reaction. 

510
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,000
Yes. 
But it's also one thing that I 

511
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,900
thought was really interesting 
listening to this one is that 

512
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,000
you've kind of got almost an 
obligation to to find where 

513
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,900
you're going to fit the 
characters in because they don't

514
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:53,100
have natural places at the start
of the episode because because 

515
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:54,200
you're kind of starting from 
scratch. 

516
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,100
We tied your characters don't 
have that full place. 

517
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:59,400
That's so you kind of think, 
well, this character isn't 

518
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,400
necessarily doing their normal 
thing, they could be doing 

519
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,400
anything. 
But I do wonder, whether 

520
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,100
Milligan would sort of whether 
he, he was always sort of 

521
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,300
plotting and thinking, okay. 
And now I want to bring a 

522
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:11,100
discount or if you kind of 
worked out the story he wants to

523
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:14,900
tell and then it's like okay and
then he sort of casts it with 

524
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:17,600
his existing cast. 
I mean I think an example in 

525
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,300
this one is that blue bottle 
actually isn't in it very much. 

526
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:23,500
No. 
But I wonder if Miller gets of 

527
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:26,400
You would be, you would feel 
short-changed if you didn't get 

528
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,800
some blue bottle and episode so 
Milligan, find somewhere to put 

529
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,800
it, it's a brilliant. 
Seen the one where they found, 

530
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,800
it's a wrong number in my phone 
blue bottle by mistake, he's at 

531
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,200
home with pets, which which 
which is, which is actually 

532
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,900
recycled gag from the first 
series I went really wrong with 

533
00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:52,700
and the, in the 1951 episode, it
was an exchange between Oscar, a

534
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:54,200
pure heart, played played by 
Ben. 

535
00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:00,400
Yeah and to make an egg actually
another character, but exactly 

536
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,000
the same setup, but one thing 
that I think is quite 

537
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:08,100
interesting in Wings over 
dagenham is that you don't you 

538
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:12,700
don't often get these completely
new characters at this point in 

539
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:19,200
the show coming in, but they do 
obviously Milligan decided or 

540
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,000
Stevens. 
Decided that we need a foil for 

541
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:31,100
see goon As the inventor to talk
to the farts and and none of the

542
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:33,300
other characters will quite do. 
It mean that could have been 

543
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:37,400
Echols maybe. 
Yeah, I'd like this down in my 

544
00:30:37,408 --> 00:30:40,500
notes and and this is because 
obviously because we have the 

545
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:43,000
person you're referring to is 
mixtures mmm. 

546
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,900
But chief of the, he's gay by 
the wonderful. 

547
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:47,100
George Chisholm who was in the 
band in? 

548
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:49,100
Yeah. 
Well he starts Orchestra on the 

549
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:51,700
trumpet trombone. 
I was actually wondering if 

550
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:53,700
people are thinking, this 
doesn't sound like anyone else 

551
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:57,100
and Yeah, I know but I was 
actually wondering who it was 

552
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,800
because I don't think I don't 
think if mentioned at the end 

553
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,400
either. 
It says it is, ya know, he was 

554
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:09,300
all right, very, very well known
and celebrated Jazz trombonist 

555
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:14,300
right and he'd he'd been 
involved in. 

556
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:15,700
They've been in the orchestra of
many. 

557
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:20,300
Hmm. 
BBC Radio shows like bandwagon 

558
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:22,800
it Ma much binding in the marsh.
Yeah. 

559
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:25,700
And obviously he was Out of the 
sales part of what he starts 

560
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:28,200
Orchestra for the Goon show and 
he became very friendly with the

561
00:31:28,208 --> 00:31:33,600
guys, and he in total is to keep
it down. 

562
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,400
It was in sees a pair is at 
little appearances and it may be

563
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,400
it might just be a line in six 
gun shows. 

564
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:44,600
So okay. 
But it's yeah. 

565
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,300
For for Central role here boers 
like yeah and he does he does 

566
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:51,900
get to be thought of being a bit
of a straight man for the others

567
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:53,700
but he does get to do some funny
stuff in it. 

568
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,300
No. 
Oh, my masterpiece. 

569
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,600
This apparatus. 
Oh, if it's not rude question 

570
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,200
sir. 
What's it supposed to be? 

571
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:01,100
I wish. 
I knew. 

572
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:05,200
I feel much happier. 
You said it was to be a mangled.

573
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,700
Yes, I know. 
But I added a bit here and a bit

574
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,400
then it got completely out of 
hand. 

575
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:11,800
I'll tell you what, month, you 
get in the seat, and I'll swing 

576
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:18,800
the propeller mad impulsive boy.
But as you wish gone, can't you 

577
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,700
invented the method for starting
an airplane. 

578
00:32:55,100 --> 00:33:01,100
What should we build now? 
Siegen, did you notice? 

579
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,500
I'm moving before, I felt it 
better Route. 7 feet off the 

580
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,900
ground connection. 
Five feet to those feet were 

581
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:09,600
mine. 
Well, I think I said, yeah, 

582
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,100
because I've written down here. 
Why? 

583
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:13,500
Why, Chism, as and why include 
him? 

584
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:15,700
It could have been another 
character. 

585
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:17,600
Like you said, could have been 
Echoes, but then if it was, are 

586
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,100
calls that have need that they 
would have needed to have been. 

587
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:22,200
A lot more. 
Yeah. 

588
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,600
Buffalo gags. 
If you like and funny lines for 

589
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,200
into the river where it's 
mixtures of is just basic. 

590
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,400
Like you say, he's just reacting
to Siegen, mainly isn't it? 

591
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,000
True and of, I mean, a maybe 
that's it. 

592
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,700
I mean, it does it doesn't Mabel
them to get things moving quite 

593
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:38,700
quickly in this, that, that, 
that seems fairly 

594
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:40,800
straightforward, which is kind 
of part of the fun of it. 

595
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,600
So the speed with which they 
invent the airplane and bent and

596
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,800
again? 
Yes, yeah, you're right. 

597
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,200
You would have I think if it had
been, if he'd been there with 

598
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,300
Echols actually come to think of
it. 

599
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,600
It echoes of content, it doesn't
tend to be a counter. 

600
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,100
You bring in right at the 
beginning. 

601
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,000
My this is this is really based 
on what kind of my general 

602
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600
memory. 
I haven't done a survey to check

603
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,000
but my memory of these things is
usually that Echols kind of 

604
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,000
comes in a few minutes into the 
episode rather than beginning. 

605
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,500
Yeah. 
Yeah I mean there's never 

606
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:16,199
there's no set hard and fast 
rules but no but I would say in 

607
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,300
the structure of a typical goon 
show, you've got the three acts 

608
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:22,100
7, you you've got You've got the
First Act then you got gouge a 

609
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:23,300
second act. 
Yeah. 

610
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:25,400
Then Ellington than the, the 
final act. 

611
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:29,699
So the first actual have Nady 
and you typically have drip pipe

612
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:31,699
in Moriarty turning up. 
Yes. 

613
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,600
And then in the second act 
you'll very often have many in 

614
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,199
Henry. 
Yeah. 

615
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:39,100
And in third act, you often 
that's the point. 

616
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:41,199
You have Echols and blue bottle?
Yeah. 

617
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,800
Mate maybe more sort of I'm 
talking Series 5 series, six 

618
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,300
even Series, 7 shows. 
The those shows that what that 

619
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:51,199
will tend to be the The where 
they will appear. 

620
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,199
So yeah equals will tend to be 
in sort of Latin letter half the

621
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,400
show. 
Yeah and also I think equals a 

622
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,300
bluebottle characters who get a 
laugh as soon as they turn up 

623
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:02,700
and I can kind of see why it's 
quite good too as a writer you 

624
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,000
kind of thing you know just when
you're about halfway through and

625
00:35:05,008 --> 00:35:07,300
you maybe just need to bump the 
audience up a bit. 

626
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:09,000
It's kind of it's quite good to 
be able to be all those 

627
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,600
characters on. 
Absolutely yeah. 

628
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,200
Yeah say say it because blue 
bottles is equals m bluebottle. 

629
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:21,200
I guess, certainly then I guess 
even today a considered that The

630
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,800
fan favorites on there, they 
are. 

631
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,000
Yeah, another one. 
If you don't want to, you know, 

632
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,100
most most people who who've 
heard the gun show could do at 

633
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:32,800
least a recognizable impression 
of those two characters. 

634
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:35,000
Yes. 
Yes, I'll maybe not good one. 

635
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,300
I have to say goodbye, right? 
You could, you could tell who 

636
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:42,200
they were doing. 
It's in every show, certainly it

637
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,100
in this about this period. 
There would be a recurring Motif

638
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:50,000
or a recurring line, that would 
almost be almost like a 

639
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,200
Catchphrase for one episode only
if you know what I mean. 

640
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,900
Yeah. 
And in this particular show it 

641
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:57,900
is the phrase a mental picture 
of dot. 

642
00:35:58,100 --> 00:35:59,600
Yes. 
And actually this is the state. 

643
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,300
I think that's the that's one 
the main thing I was thinking of

644
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:05,900
when I, when I said, oh, there 
are things, I realized two 

645
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:08,400
things in this episode. 
But I still say today and I 

646
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,900
think that's the one that's 
that's see, the running gag, but

647
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,900
I think of as being a very goons
gag and I do kind of it, I kind 

648
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:19,700
of feel like it's it's something
that appeared more but it is as 

649
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:21,700
you say it is. 
Pretty, but it's a running gag 

650
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:23,700
for this episode. 
I mean if they're very in 

651
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:25,900
keeping with the gunshot, I mean
like I say if you've got this 

652
00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:30,300
whole thing that the characters 
are taking a new role every 

653
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,700
time, but you all for sometimes 
get these Winx they treat each 

654
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:35,500
other. 
Like they do know each other 

655
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:39,600
previously because you know and 
which you kind of accept of the 

656
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,900
audience because we've all seen 
them lots of times. 

657
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:45,800
But it's also kind of 
acknowledging, you know, they 

658
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,100
constantly acknowledging the the
artificiality of it and the 

659
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:51,300
cotton, the constructs of it. 
And they do that as well. 

660
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:56,300
In this episode with sequins 
playing the, the Welsh site 

661
00:36:56,300 --> 00:37:01,700
manager at the building and when
Echols does that disaster and 

662
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:05,400
then and then the the recording 
of cecum that just goes, faster 

663
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,300
and faster, and faster, which 
eventually is broken when he 

664
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:11,000
comes back in and see him this 
time. 

665
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,200
So for it, stop talking to that 
record of me apples. 

666
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:19,600
And I think the mental picture 
thing is kind of its kind of a 

667
00:37:19,607 --> 00:37:21,000
piece with them. 
Like that. 

668
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,500
But you know this is radio and 
you know, that for the sound 

669
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:26,900
effects are there for and it's 
quite funny to it. 

670
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:29,100
Does it develops? 
His old comedy of constantly 

671
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:33,000
drawing attention to the theme 
settings sound effects that are 

672
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,500
just a common thing in radio by 
saying what the meant to give 

673
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,800
you a mental picture of and they
become increasingly Odd as well.

674
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Like the early. 
The first couple of times they 

675
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,400
use at it, it kind of it is what
it says it is. 

676
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:48,400
And then you do get these 
increasingly these ones, where 

677
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,700
it's like, it's does that, what 
that Oh yeah. 

678
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:52,600
If after gold rate bit, isn't 
it? 

679
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,600
That was to give you a mental 
picture for enough to give 

680
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,100
listeners in the Lake District. 
A mental picture of Max geldray,

681
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:02,600
playing a new time Monica. 
Let's try and actually teach 

682
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,500
that at that point Milligan, you
can hear Milligan off mic saying

683
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:08,700
something along the lines of 
that. 

684
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:11,900
So much more than we got me. 
Yeah, meaning the Applause. 

685
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:17,700
And, and then when greenslade 
delivers at line Milligan, just 

686
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:20,300
just blurts out, he's fallen 
fallen in the water. 

687
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:22,500
Yes. 
Yeah, this is a mention of 

688
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:24,200
water. 
Yeah, it right now. 

689
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,100
Here's here's the thing. 
Okay, Milligan says that and 

690
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:28,800
then you here. 
Harry kind of sniggering. 

691
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:32,300
Yeah, giggling. 
That's obviously Little Gym the 

692
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:33,100
character. 
Yeah, Jim. 

693
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,100
Now Little Gym didn't exist in 
the world of Wings Over 

694
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:40,000
dagenham. 
He wasn't formally introduced 

695
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,900
until the following show the 
rent collectors. 

696
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:45,100
That was his debut, the rent 
collectors, right. 

697
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,200
So for this is what you meant 
by. 

698
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,200
Yeah. 
So things that are picked up in 

699
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,400
the next episode. 
Yes, exactly. 

700
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,800
So, the lads have record have 
rehearsed both shows, 

701
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,800
presumably, you know, Sunday, 
morning, Sunday afternoon. 

702
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:01,700
So they knew seeking knew what 
was coming that little gym. 

703
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:03,900
This character little gem is 
going to be introduced in the 

704
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:08,500
rent collectors but Milligan's 
just kind of decided to give a 

705
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:13,200
little preview in Wings over 
dagenham, that music was 

706
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,100
designed to give listeners in 
the Lake District and mental 

707
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:19,300
picture of Max geldray. 
Playing a nude methoxy pain in 

708
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:23,100
the world. 
Not enough to count the name. 

709
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:27,400
Little gem actually does get 
referenced in an earlier show 

710
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,400
called The House of teeth. 
Hmm. 

711
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:32,400
But yeah, it's the rent 
collectors that he's officially 

712
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,200
introduced. 
Well, it's Jim is one of those 

713
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,200
names that Milligan uthoff 
constantly. 

714
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,700
It's just one of those it. 
I think he just sort of likes 

715
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:43,600
that the founded it. 
Yes, it could have popped up 

716
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,200
constantly. 
It's like the fact that we were 

717
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,300
told several times that Moriarty
first name is Jim. 

718
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:57,500
It's make any Yeah, totally see 
going and mixtures, and they 

719
00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:00,300
have this Workshop. 
You were there with their 

720
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:03,000
tinkering and they they 
accidentally build this 

721
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,200
airplane, but the workshop is 
specifically identify the 

722
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,100
location of the workshop as 
being on Lyle Street. 

723
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,300
Do you, did you know anything 
about loyal Street? 

724
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:15,700
I don't know if a little while 
sleep now, but the vert, I did 

725
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:18,700
wonder about this because and 
this is a funny thing was that 

726
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:21,700
like, because being so 
intensely, With the tight 

727
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:25,300
version. 
Yeah, I had I did really stop 

728
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,200
when I when listening to the 
version that's now running on 

729
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,400
that are available. 
BBC sounds I could immediately 

730
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,900
tell that that I'd had a few cut
bits put into it. 

731
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,300
Yeah, that's right. 
We're not there in the tape and 

732
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:41,300
you can tell actually, you can 
tell if you're on if you're on 

733
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:43,700
headphones because the quality 
goes a little bit, you can hear 

734
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:46,600
about a background noise. 
Yes, offer a lower quality 

735
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,800
recording. 
And there is a referent one of 

736
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,200
those that had been cut with a 
reference to Loyal street, but 

737
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,700
if you want, if if you, if you, 
if you can't get up in Lisle 

738
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:59,400
Street then. 
Well, if it then something will 

739
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,900
see so you can see, you can 
comes in now, on the, on the, on

740
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:04,800
the, the version that you have 
grown up with, on the tape, on 

741
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,200
the casino segars invented the 
airplane, but it can't, he can't

742
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,400
take off from Wall Street 
because every time he tries to 

743
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,800
the lights turn red, okay? 
That's his excuse and in the in 

744
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,900
the cut bit, that's then that 
we've heard since reinstated 

745
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,100
grip, pipes as well. 
If you can't go off and 

746
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:25,000
Straight, you'll never get off 
anywhere, right? 

747
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,100
That's it. 
Yeah. 

748
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:31,100
Now Lyle Street was a very 
Infamous and famous red light 

749
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:33,100
district in. 
So what I thought? 

750
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,900
Yeah, yeah, because yeah, 
because obviously, this is just 

751
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,200
explain funny way doesn't know 
that. 

752
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,300
Yeah, this is the versions that 
were slightly edited for 

753
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,700
overseas. 
I believe it's repeated would be

754
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:50,500
the ones that survived but they 
would cut topical references, 

755
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:53,200
and UK specific references and 
sometimes anything that They 

756
00:41:53,207 --> 00:41:55,400
thought was a bit too full. 
See that line? 

757
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,800
If you can't get off and Lyle 
Street. 

758
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,400
You never got off. 
Anyway. 4 1957. 

759
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,300
That's quite well, it's likes 
me. 

760
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:06,900
I mean you thought of obviously 
riffing off like the previous 

761
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:08,500
line. 
But yeah, barely. 

762
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:10,100
But it's barely a double 
entendre. 

763
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:15,200
It is kind of a finger on top. 
It's there's not some yeah, it's

764
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,900
not it's not it's not even 
really innuendo that much. 

765
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,800
It's just used to saying and 
some reason just before that 

766
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,300
line, see you soon. 
First grit pipe is great. 

767
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,300
Has he said Griffin has don't 
know why. 

768
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:32,900
Yeah, so we have this, this 
Aeroplane they, but in order to 

769
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:36,300
get the airplane off the ground,
they need an Aerodrome in order 

770
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:39,100
for it to take off from. 
And we have this hilarious 

771
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:42,100
sequence with henrique run which
I've always been extremely fond 

772
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:46,800
of and Henry's going to build 
Croydon Croydon airport, which I

773
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,600
think is now Gatwick, isn't it? 
Yes, it is. 

774
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,900
Yeah. 
And I love about is we got MIT. 

775
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:57,500
We've got many, many and well, 
get Henry, and then we've got 

776
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:00,500
many briefly. 
Yes, but it's in the background.

777
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:04,600
Whenever you got minion, Henry, 
almost always, they're together.

778
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:10,300
Yeah, in some scene and often 
just going off on tangents and 

779
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:15,100
misunderstanding each other and 
fighting and all the rest of it.

780
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,300
But you do get quite a number of
shows where where many will be 

781
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:25,100
at at a public meeting heckling.
We're Committee hearing 

782
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,400
actually. 
Yeah. 

783
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,300
Yeah. 
As she is here. 

784
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:37,200
And I said, yeah, that's it. 
You mentioned about the Welsh 

785
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,900
Harry, doing the Welsh. 
Yeah, construction site guy. 

786
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:42,800
Yeah. 
And and there's that sped up 

787
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,600
dialogue. 
You would do know that dialogue.

788
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,400
I've got the dialogue written 
out if you want to hear 

789
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:48,300
actually. 
So I would, I would love to hear

790
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:50,600
what. 
So I wish I could say this in a 

791
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,600
George Saunders voice. 
But he says He said you dull. 

792
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,100
Stupid half-witted useless 
jumped up, never come down Idol,

793
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:00,800
dull-headed Winnick. 
If I get my hands on you I'll 

794
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,100
beat all the sawdust out of that
thickness of yours. 

795
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:05,600
You'll be spawned and honed 
within an inch of your life. 

796
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,400
Your head is a size of a number 
two grapefruit not to mention. 

797
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:15,300
Good night, Gladys Young. 
I just wanted to interrupt the 

798
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:19,000
conversation, just very briefly 
to talk about Peter Sellers, 

799
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:24,400
Hollywood and home movies which 
is a unique online event. 

800
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:28,400
As part of Jewish book week, 
London's International literary 

801
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,000
Festival, the holding a virtual 
event via, zoom on the 5th of 

802
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,900
July at 7 p.m. hosted by film 
critic. 

803
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:42,200
Jason Solomon's and featuring 
guests ronni. 

804
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,900
Ancona Director, Peter Lydon and
Sarah Summers. 

805
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:50,100
And they will be talking about 
Peter Sellers and his life. 

806
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:55,800
His work and home movies. 
Peter Lydon is previous guest on

807
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,700
this show. 
Peter is the was the director of

808
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,900
the Epic three-part. 
Peter Sellers story from 1995, 

809
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,500
which we covered on this 
podcast. 

810
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:09,000
I suppose. 
What was it back in 

811
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,400
august-september sometime last 
year and in 2002? 

812
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:20,200
There was a distillation of be 
dishonest story and it was a 

813
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,300
documentary called Peter Sellers
as he filmed it, which was 

814
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:29,200
essentially just pretty much all
home movie footage footage that 

815
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,500
sellers had shot throughout his 
adult life and Peter was 

816
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,300
responsible for putting all that
together. 

817
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,600
So, as I said, it's a 
conversation with with Peter 

818
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,600
with ronni, Ancona was Sarah 
Sellers, and hosted by Jason 

819
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,400
song. 
It's free in order to get 

820
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,300
tickets. 
Booked tickets. 

821
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:53,700
Go to Jewish book week.com and 
click on events, and you'll see 

822
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:56,500
if they're Peter Sellers 
Hollywood and home movies. 

823
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,100
If you get, if you get a ticket,
you will have access to the 

824
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,000
documentary, Peter Sellers, as 
you filmed it as well. 

825
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,700
Yeah. 
Short be a very interesting and 

826
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:11,600
enlightening conversation and 
the sort of thing that listens 

827
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:12,800
to this show. 
Sure. 

828
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,900
I would be very, very keen to 
join and to partake of. 

829
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:23,300
So as I say, please check out 
Jewish book, week.com to hook 

830
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,800
yourself tickets for the fifth 
of July, and that's kicking off 

831
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:35,200
at 7 p.m. now, back to the show.
Use the said about mixtures and 

832
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,500
being a new character. 
Now there's also a, there's 

833
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:42,400
another this particular episode.
There is a prominent character 

834
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,400
who we don't hear from very 
often. 

835
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,300
It's a characters it's a voice 
that isn't yours, not one of the

836
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:50,400
big seven or eight goon show 
characters. 

837
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,900
In fact, it's not really second 
division, goon show characters, 

838
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:59,000
what it's more, one of the, the 
more obscure voices that sellers

839
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,300
would occasionally employ, which
is character called Sydney men. 

840
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,600
Okay, now, do you now. 
This is the guy who turns up in 

841
00:47:07,607 --> 00:47:10,000
wins over dagenham as a 
geographical Society 

842
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,900
representative. 
Oh, yeah. 

843
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:13,200
Yes, yeah. 
No. 

844
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,300
No. 
You made. 

845
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:17,400
Yeah, it's weird. 
It's a voice that remember, but 

846
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,900
it's a bit like, I don't know. 
The way he comes in it. 

847
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:23,800
Sort of reminds me a bit of 
Kenneth Williams in Hancock, but

848
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,300
it's sort of where he might be 
doing different things, but it's

849
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:31,800
sort of a voice and an attitude 
more than a character, you know,

850
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:33,200
exactly. 
Well it's funny. 

851
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,300
Enough. 
It was, you know, sellers before

852
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:42,600
he I think the what, two years 
before the gun show he was in 

853
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,500
razor, laughs fact he was in 
razor laughs up until was a 54. 

854
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:52,900
I think he was the voice man on 
Rosa laughs and Ted Ray Show. 

855
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:57,700
And Kenneth Connor more or less 
took over when cell has departed

856
00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,700
as the voice man on razor 
laughs? 

857
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,400
Okay. 
And there was a, there was a 

858
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,600
character on Resler play by 
Kenneth Connor which which had 

859
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,300
this kind of voice. 
So I think Peter Sellers more or

860
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:17,300
less filched that voice and 
adopted that voice in very often

861
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:22,300
in around this time, sort of 
Series 7 sort of 1956 57 and it 

862
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:28,900
would be for minor officials. 
Petty officialdom, you know the 

863
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:33,200
internet went by the way, 
Kenneth Connor guest-starred in 

864
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:40,600
Goon show from the ninth series 
called, who is pink oboe? 

865
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,000
Yes, that was the that was the 
one show that sellers was absent

866
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,200
from. 
So You Had Kenneth Connor, you 

867
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,500
had fun time, dial your head G 
Stark and Jack train and Connor.

868
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,800
Actually himself plays that 
Sydney more. 

869
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,700
Does that Sydney Mincey voice? 
It moaning. 

870
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:03,900
Now she go, these are the code 
names, you know, I like And feel

871
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:09,300
strange in this program to? 
Yes, we have this guy this 

872
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:13,900
geographical Society represent. 
If he wants to, he wants to be 

873
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:18,000
on the Aeroplane on its Maiden 
flight because he wants to 

874
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,000
photograph the Earth from a 
great height. 

875
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,400
He wants to prove once and for 
all that the Earth is flat. 

876
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:31,400
Now there is a mystery 
surrounding the nomenclature 

877
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:35,900
suppose because in the original 
Script the actual script that 

878
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:37,600
they used on the night of 
recording. 

879
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,800
And I've seen these scripts, the
character is actually down as 

880
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:46,300
malfeasance that is, that is the
name on the script for this 

881
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:47,600
character. 
Yeah. 

882
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:51,700
As malf, easa and see 
malfeasance. 

883
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:57,000
So we don't know why he was 
called malfeasance, but he's 

884
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,600
become known subsequently as 
Sydney mincing. 

885
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:05,900
It's it It basically culminates 
in that great sort of 

886
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:11,000
crowd-pleasing line. 
Where equals says, I've seen 

887
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,400
the, ER, through the cloud and 
Sydney says, did it look round? 

888
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,400
Yeah, but I don't think it's saw
me one. 

889
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,300
That always really appealed to 
me when I was a kid with the 

890
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,400
line about the petrol driven by.
Then yes, this is what I was 

891
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,000
leading to because that is my 
favorite line, it is throwaway 

892
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,600
line and it doesn't really get a
reaction. 

893
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,600
No. 
Yeah, but that's just it. 

894
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,800
Some thought that was the thing 
that I was aware of this. 

895
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,900
Like it was that some sort of 
dramatic Trope wasn't there or 

896
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:52,800
maybe a comedy troupe, that of 
saying, you know, I'll I'll 

897
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,800
never do something again. 
Yes. 

898
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:57,600
And it would usually refer to 
the fact that like, you know, 

899
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:00,300
you wouldn't play the violin 
again because your hand would 

900
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:02,300
have, you know, one of your arms
would have fallen asleep with 

901
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:04,600
gangrene or something. 
Yeah, but if I do but just a 

902
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:09,400
ridiculous line, if it being a 
petrol driven, it's one of those

903
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,800
throwaway lines that I love and 
I tried in fact, on the first 

904
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:17,900
episode of this podcast, was we 
covered the show, the Goon show 

905
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:22,400
The Man Who Never Was from 
series 8 and there's a great 

906
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,700
example of a type of goon show 
gag that I love and I can't 

907
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:28,500
really describe it. 
But it's where like that. 

908
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:32,200
There's a line where there's in 
the many never was where blood, 

909
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,000
lots of microfilm. 
Umm, but he needs to study study

910
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:38,800
and he says I'll I'll just put 
this microfilm under this heavy 

911
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,200
microscope for a moment. 
It keeps it flat. 

912
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:47,500
When I put my glasses on okay 
thing which doesn't get a laugh 

913
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:49,800
it just kind of gets it gets a 
mild Titta from the audience. 

914
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,500
I think that's fantastic. 
Yeah. 

915
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:55,300
And I think the same is of this.
This it's a petrol driven violin

916
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:56,400
dear. 
Yeah. 

917
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,000
Definitely. 
That's one of those jokes that 

918
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,300
really emerges in the writing. 
I think we're The way you kind 

919
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:07,500
of write yourself into that 
situation and then you're like, 

920
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:12,300
okay, what do they say next? 
And then if you just go for its 

921
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:15,500
well, in some ways it's the most
straightforward one and in some 

922
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:18,600
ways option that you could have.
But in also, if also the most 

923
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,000
ridiculous, same time, which is 
what I love about it. 

924
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,500
It's like it it's actually not 
complicated and yet, it's 

925
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:27,400
completely stupid. 
Hello. 

926
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,700
I've got the ball in chorus 
doing awfully that's just for 

927
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:58,400
the railing to Breakers. 
Yeah and racist. 

928
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,000
Stop plugging your record Marie 
one of my. 

929
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,100
So this is this this was 
recorded. 

930
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:07,400
Late, December 56, and in 
December, early as December 56. 

931
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:11,100
You got to go, Al was released 
on record. 

932
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:18,000
Yeah, it was spiked with Larry, 
Larry Stevens on piano and the 

933
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:23,000
Mast Albert's. 
So that's the guys that worked 

934
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,200
with sellers of Milligan on show
called Fred. 

935
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,100
And so, Fred and also Bruce 
Lacey, and it's produced by 

936
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:34,200
George Martin less. 
Yes. 

937
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:38,000
Yeah of so many of them were. 
Yeah. 

938
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:40,400
Yeah. 
And at some point hopefully this

939
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,300
year going to be doing a show 
about get a pretty going to be 

940
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:47,500
called produced by George Martin
which will be about the seller 

941
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,300
and again over. 
Yeah speaking of URLs of George 

942
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:55,800
must. 
I do think it's some is true of 

943
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,100
all good truthfully I don't 
think it's anything particularly

944
00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:00,300
tied to this one that I could 
think of that. 

945
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,300
But have that I could think of 
this sort of picked up And 

946
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:07,300
Beetle stuff but it's I do 
really fit I've said this before

947
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:10,300
but I feel like you can't I 
generally feel you can't 

948
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:13,800
understand the Beatles. 
Completely if you've not heard 

949
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,200
the Goon show I certainly think 
you can't understand John Lennon

950
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,600
completely you know the gunshot.
I think it's very it's it you 

951
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,000
could really see it in the 
psyche of fact I was thinking 

952
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:31,700
when I was watching The Gap back
documentaries so much of of John

953
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:34,500
and Paul and particular there. 
Are their relationship but they 

954
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:37,700
just they do silly voices at 
each other constantly and I 

955
00:54:37,707 --> 00:54:40,600
think that's very much something
that has kind of come from 

956
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:42,200
there. 
Lots of the Goon show is that 

957
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,700
they just they adopt these 
characters, these kind of 

958
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:49,000
constantly in these sort of it. 
You know, you'll get these edges

959
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,400
of like a Henry and many 
sometimes or blue model 

960
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,300
vehicles, as fit. 
That's just kind of how they 

961
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:58,600
communicate is by putting on 
these silly voices and like 

962
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,700
creating these sort of 
spontaneous little double axe, I

963
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:03,100
think that's very much. 
It was a cow. 

964
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,600
Mounted this radio comedy world 
and particularly the Goon show 

965
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:10,300
where where you were just you 
just hear grown bit grown 

966
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:13,200
adults, doing silly voices in 
your house constantly. 

967
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:17,600
Well, you look at yeah. 
And if to listen to be side of 

968
00:55:18,300 --> 00:55:20,700
Let It Be, You Know, My Name 
Look at the number. 

969
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:21,300
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

970
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:23,900
And I think that's, it's not 
footage but I definitely found 

971
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:26,000
that would like that very much 
John. 

972
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,400
Paul's thing that was just of 
how they communicate it, they've

973
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,200
quite different personalities in
some ways but they just they 

974
00:55:31,207 --> 00:55:33,100
both just love doing silly 
voices. 

975
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:37,300
Indeed, they had a did have a 
very similar sense of humor. 

976
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:41,300
Yeah but you know it also just 
you know just the way that a bit

977
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:44,400
the things like speed it up 
records that were talking about 

978
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,600
cecum. 
I think it does create that 

979
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,500
awareness in a whole generation 
of people have the idea that you

980
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:56,300
can manipulate sound which I 
think of huge and just simple 

981
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,700
little things like that because 
Milligan has this fascination 

982
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:00,600
with. 
We can do this for the sound and

983
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,100
meaning Milligan, always loves 
to just speed up a sound. 

984
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:06,400
Just get the comedy value out of
that video. 

985
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,500
It's a quite often it for cheap 
laughs but it it works. 

986
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:11,600
People just love to hear a 
speeded-up noise. 

987
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,900
Yeah. 
And yeah, that's that that 

988
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,500
little thing for that. 
Both kind of bits where you just

989
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:21,300
the Delight in changing a sound 
and and the possibilities of 

990
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:24,500
doing that when you're not doing
it live, but you're doing it, 

991
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:27,000
record it, but then, obviously, 
there were doing it live in 

992
00:56:27,008 --> 00:56:29,700
front of an audience, but fact, 
you can add in these recorded 

993
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:34,600
noises or treated noises I 
think, It's just and that just 

994
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,300
wormed its way into a queue into
a whole generation of musicians 

995
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,500
when he thought it was almost 
Christmas as it come at once. 

996
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:44,200
When the radio phonic, Workshop,
set up. 

997
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:45,700
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

998
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:51,000
It's, I guess it come and find 
very nicely with, with the 

999
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,600
possibilities that the medical 
was looking for provided. 

1000
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,300
It happened around the same 
time. 

1001
00:56:57,300 --> 00:57:00,300
It's, um, you know, just the 
idea that you can do something 

1002
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:03,100
that isn't just like, I mean, I 
guess, I guess what? 

1003
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,300
Comes down to it. 
It's not because you know the 

1004
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:07,600
the audience at home. 
Can't see exactly what you're 

1005
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,100
doing and it kind of hides. 
The joints between these things 

1006
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:13,400
and it becomes something, but 
it's a bit more than just 

1007
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,000
something that you could go and 
see in a theater. 

1008
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,800
It kind of creates its own 
thing. 

1009
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,100
The fact that it's going out on 
the radio and you're told and 

1010
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:25,100
mixing up the live sound with 
recorded sound and kind of you 

1011
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:26,900
know making it seem reasonably 
seamless. 

1012
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:29,900
Yeah, yeah. 
I'm just looking through my 

1013
00:57:29,908 --> 00:57:32,000
notes here to seek said we've 
covered quite a bit of ground 

1014
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,300
here but yeah I meant you 
Mentioned at the outset. 

1015
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:37,100
You you won't show for this was 
based on anything in particular.

1016
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:40,500
I don't, I don't think it was, 
it was as far as I know it 

1017
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:42,700
wasn't based on any film or 
book. 

1018
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,000
No nothing like that. 
Although the title from what I 

1019
00:57:46,008 --> 00:57:48,700
can find out that the title 
Wings Over dagenham is 

1020
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:53,700
apparently based on a very 
popular play which was then made

1021
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:58,900
into a film in 1954 called 
seagulls over Sorrento right, 

1022
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:05,800
which was a British movie but 
with Gene Kelly In it and it is 

1023
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,600
a war film but it's got nothing 
from looking at the plot. 

1024
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,600
It doesn't seem to have any sort
of bearing on this. 

1025
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:13,500
Nothing to do with the airplanes
being built or anything like 

1026
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:14,900
that. 
So I think it was just a kick, 

1027
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:17,900
you know, it was it sounds Wings
Over. 

1028
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:21,900
Dagenham is, obviously it's 
ridiculous title, it should be 

1029
00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:25,300
something Grand and mysterious 
and dramatic. 

1030
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:28,000
Like, I don't know. 
Wings Over Zanzibar something 

1031
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,600
like that. 
Not dagenham. 

1032
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,100
Yeah. 
But we've always heard that 

1033
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:34,600
forwards of found by of the 
goons is, Is is sort of 

1034
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:40,100
unglamorous suburban locations 
of they'd always love to drop 

1035
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:43,400
one of those in for a bit of a 
bit of bait off. 

1036
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,800
Oh, you mentioned that actually 
another favorite line of mine. 

1037
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,900
And it's not particularly funny 
Spike or Larry or one of them, 

1038
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:54,300
probably spent half an hour 
cheering on the end of the 

1039
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:56,500
pencil. 
Then in the end, they wrote down

1040
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:59,100
line for Crum. 
I've been driven here from 

1041
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:06,800
reigate to say this line. 
It's not about though. 

1042
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,400
So it is there anything else 
about this particular show that 

1043
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,400
you wanted to talk about before 
we start wrapping up? 

1044
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,200
No, no. 
Except I mean like I feel like 

1045
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,100
it would be very much in the 
spirit of the episode to wrap up

1046
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,800
ridiculously quickly. 
Yes. 

1047
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,000
Because I mean, yes. 
But actually, but that is 

1048
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,800
something that I do think, it's 
kind of funny about this is that

1049
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,400
it does, it really does have the
feel of and you know, he did, 

1050
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,900
they get away with it because 
it's funny and it's the foot of 

1051
00:59:32,908 --> 00:59:36,000
the Plot doesn't really matter. 
But there is very much a sense 

1052
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,000
of Milligan Stevens. 
Like saying have we got enough 

1053
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,200
material yet and when we have a 
site, right? 

1054
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:44,100
Stop will that do? 
That'll do ya. 

1055
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:52,400
But but yeah, it is sort of it's
sort of it sort of is it is 

1056
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,000
quite sort of plot heavy. 
In terms of everything doesn't 

1057
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,100
keep linking back into this 
thing that they have to do. 

1058
00:59:58,700 --> 01:00:02,200
But at the same time, it does 
sort of like have this 

1059
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,500
miscellaneous collections. 
A lot will have many different 

1060
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:06,600
spins. 
Can we get on this, what, what 

1061
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,400
could happen now? 
What could happen now, then the 

1062
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,900
actual ending of it doesn't even
matter. 

1063
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:18,500
It's just, you know, they yeah 
but it's I guess I guess the 

1064
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:20,600
payoff of the whole thing is 
that we do actually manage to 

1065
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,800
get something into the air. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1066
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,500
So that's kind of that's your 
audience satisfaction but it 

1067
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:32,000
just doesn't look like 
everyone's thoughts, spawn. 

1068
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:35,500
Thoughts. 
One is saved, but who even cares

1069
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,900
precisely precisely? 
So exit will any? 

1070
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:43,700
Thank you so much for joining me
to talk about this show. 

1071
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:45,500
Oh no, thank you. 
Phone me on. 

1072
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:49,900
Yeah, so right. 
So, drunk on all your strange 

1073
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:52,900
new words. 
So yeah, about that, right? 

1074
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:57,400
Well, the first of the five 
fiction novel about set a little

1075
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:02,000
into the future for the other 
end of the 21st century when 

1076
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,800
Earth is Each contact with 
aliens to make contact with 

1077
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,000
Arts. 
They communicate telepathically 

1078
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,800
and only a handful of humans 
have the ability to do this, but

1079
01:01:13,100 --> 01:01:15,900
the downside is that even once 
you've learned it, it's sort of 

1080
01:01:15,908 --> 01:01:18,400
messes with your brain chemistry
and makes you feel drunk. 

1081
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:22,300
It's about a young woman from 
Halifax, who never expected to 

1082
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:26,500
get out of Halifax and then 
suddenly she plucked trained up 

1083
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:30,100
and she found herself working in
New York for the cultural 

1084
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:32,700
attaché. 
This alien species. 

1085
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,800
Wow. 
Well and it's going a bit you 

1086
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,600
know, if going a bit bumpy but 
she's kind of getting on OK. 

1087
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:43,700
And then her boss is murdered 
and there aren't an awful lot of

1088
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:48,000
suspects and cheese, the closest
person to him so suspicion falls

1089
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,600
on her. 
She kind of has to solve the 

1090
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,900
murder himself. 
No, well, so it's a murder 

1091
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:57,100
mystery sci fi de Stope Ian 
Thriller. 

1092
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,100
Yes, yes, basically all those 
things and I tried to put some 

1093
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:02,800
joke then you know, it's like 
okay. 

1094
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,700
People say it's, you know, 
people in love with my comedy 

1095
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:08,400
worker like is it a comedy? 
If I know but I tried to put 

1096
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,100
some funny business in there. 
It's partly just the stuff that 

1097
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:15,200
influence me when I was when I 
was younger, you know, and I 

1098
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,700
used to watch a lot of things 
where, you know, a lot of things

1099
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:23,200
that were black comedy, you 
know, you know, did the 90s 

1100
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,900
like, we're watching Tarantino 
films and things like that and 

1101
01:02:25,900 --> 01:02:28,600
there's loads of jokes and most 
obviously the early ones and 

1102
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,800
loads of jokes and like, you 
know, and they'll even at the 

1103
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,300
most grimly. 
Umm, until / joking. 

1104
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:37,100
I don't know. 
That always feels real to me and

1105
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:38,800
part of the fact that I just 
like watching it, cuz it's 

1106
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,600
funny. 
I don't think you have, you 

1107
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:45,400
know, people do do observed 
things in Grim situations and 

1108
01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:49,400
say, the wrong thing, and it in 
many ways of potential for humor

1109
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:54,000
is bigger than those because 
it's more inappropriate and so 

1110
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,500
much of humor depends on doing 
the inappropriate. 

1111
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:59,100
Think the situation, you know, 
maybe episode we've been talking

1112
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:02,100
about the whole Cube event come 
from the fact that this is a 

1113
01:03:02,107 --> 01:03:06,100
serious situation, And, and 
everyone is approaching it in a 

1114
01:03:06,107 --> 01:03:10,900
completely ridiculous way. 
I mean, would you say that it 

1115
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:13,700
was Die Hard sort of the 
granddaddy of that, in terms of 

1116
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:18,200
serious, life-threatening 
violent situations where there's

1117
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:20,800
a lot of Comedy peppered 
throughout it. 

1118
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:22,600
But I should go. 
I haven't thought of that but 

1119
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,100
you might be right, because I've
been a thief to forget now, but 

1120
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:30,300
Willis was known mostly as a 
comedy guy, you know, it's sort 

1121
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:32,900
of come from doing Nightingale 
like that night. 

1122
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,800
Goodnight, again, it's not 
Nightingale with Robert Lindsey.

1123
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,900
I'd love to have seen that, so 
nice. 

1124
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:40,500
It Nightingale different up on 
bread box. 

1125
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:43,900
I was telling everyone to watch 
and write it from my mind if my 

1126
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:47,000
favorite probably my favorite 
sitcom ever, I do is actually 

1127
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,000
yeah. 
I've pitched variant from it 

1128
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,300
about, at least, three or four 
times. 

1129
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:54,600
I've kind of gone to 
commissioning people in Ghana, 

1130
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,300
would add something where, like,
people are in a building at 

1131
01:03:57,300 --> 01:04:00,000
night and weird things happen 
and they, you know, necessarily 

1132
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:04,800
that is an example of black 
comedy with Comedy, yeah, yeah, 

1133
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,800
yeah, and G people died in that 
and ya know, I know, I know 

1134
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,700
there's nobody here but us 
chickens. 

1135
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:13,900
I don't mean, you know, without 
before this. 

1136
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:17,200
But yeah, the last episodes does
stuff go to quite Dark Places. 

1137
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,800
Yeah. 
And it's still very funny. 

1138
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,600
But ya know what's? 
So, what's the Bruce Willis? 

1139
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:27,700
Mood, lighting, mood lights off.
So he'd come from that and then 

1140
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:30,300
he'd like, Dom some comedy films
as his like, that's his 

1141
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:31,900
transition to being a film 
actor. 

1142
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:34,500
It didn't really come off. 
Off and then sort of Die Hard 

1143
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:38,500
was really counterintuitive at 
the time, but that was, that was

1144
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:40,300
kind of what made it specially 
this actually that's what's 

1145
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:42,600
missing from. 
You know the more recent Die 

1146
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,800
Hard films is that like he was 
just kind of like slightly, 

1147
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,800
Goofy character and like and 
then, you know, he turned to be 

1148
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,800
very capable but he would, he 
would be approaching it in this 

1149
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,600
kind of funny. 
Yes. 

1150
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,700
Like the desperate just Clinging
On by his fingernails kind of 

1151
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:59,200
way, which is always more 
appealing, you know, it's the 

1152
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,300
way it does get a bit boring 
when you have action heroes, who

1153
01:05:02,300 --> 01:05:06,100
just A sort of impassive and 
professional and just do 

1154
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:07,500
everything. 
You know, it's more fun to have 

1155
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,500
an Indiana Jones type who's 
scared of snakes, you know. 

1156
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:11,900
Yeah. 
You need they need to have fell 

1157
01:05:11,900 --> 01:05:13,300
ability. 
Yeah. 

1158
01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:16,100
You don't want someone who's too
efficient, do you know? 

1159
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:20,900
No, well, it's well, it's a 
turbine that's coming out as we 

1160
01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:23,200
say in the end of June. 
So, yep. 

1161
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,700
Wish you all the very best was 
with with that Eddie. 

1162
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,900
Yeah, thank you. 
Anything else you working on 

1163
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:30,600
coming up? 
Oh yeah I've got on at the 

1164
01:05:30,607 --> 01:05:33,500
moment. 
If I've got a podcast Drama for 

1165
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:38,800
kids called Truth diggers, which
is a comedy and that's like it's

1166
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,400
true crime podcast, but it's not
true, we made it up. 

1167
01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:44,300
That was kind of the concept is,
it's okay making a true crime 

1168
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:47,200
podcast and I can't take credit 
for the idea of shit. 

1169
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,100
My producers idea. 
But he said, do you fancy 

1170
01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:50,000
writing a novel? 
Yep. 

1171
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,400
Okay. 
But he his idea which I would 

1172
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,200
you have to agreed with that. 
It should be a bit like, you 

1173
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,800
know, Neil Gaiman book. 
Fortunately, the milk, which is 

1174
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,800
about this dad who he's been out
to get the milk. 

1175
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,900
Then if he claims, he's gone 
with wild adventure, he's 

1176
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:09,100
obviously making it all up, 
right? 

1177
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:11,300
No no. 
But, you know, it's sort of 

1178
01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:15,200
like, but for the idea was that 
it would get this, this podcast 

1179
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,300
would get start off on quite a 
realistic sort of thing, but 

1180
01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:21,000
they're just investigation of 
going disappeared, and then it 

1181
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,700
becomes increasingly outlandish.
So, you know, that's ghosts and 

1182
01:06:24,700 --> 01:06:30,400
vampires and Pirates, and 
aliens, and it just all the what

1183
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,600
I've bought, what really 
appealed to me about. 

1184
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,400
That was But I just thought 
throughout the kids are trying 

1185
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,500
to be very serious and 
professional sort of like, you 

1186
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:41,400
know, they'll interview people 
for the motel, right? 

1187
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,400
So you're a ghost in the 13th 
century, you know what, what's 

1188
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:49,000
your perspective on this? 
And yeah, so that's running on 

1189
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,200
fun, kid radio at the moment. 
One sec. 

1190
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,100
Sorry. 
What's that called you? 

1191
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,400
It is called truthdig of Truth 
diggers. 

1192
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,100
Okay. 
Yes, the True Crime podcast is 

1193
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:03,900
massive, massive industry. 
Now if I mean I was actually it 

1194
01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:06,900
was always trying to find one to
listen to, to go about it. 

1195
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:10,200
And like there is a does quite 
this a lot which are which will 

1196
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,300
be. 
Just I mean it's sort of like 

1197
01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:14,700
the format of this which is like
but they're talking about a 

1198
01:07:14,707 --> 01:07:17,000
murder rather than an episode of
the Goon show. 

1199
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:19,700
Yeah. 
With your foot a bit I find a 

1200
01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:23,200
bit kind of, I don't know. 
It's um I don't know, I kind of 

1201
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,800
like if I'm going to listen to 
people chatting about something,

1202
01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:29,700
you know, I couldn't believe it,
that something fun rather than 

1203
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:32,200
like them sort of going and 
then, you know, oh, well, you 

1204
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:38,000
know, this was the Mistake they 
made but don't you see him? 

1205
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,600
Did you see if you seen that 
Steve Martin Martin Short show 

1206
01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:42,800
that haven't yet? 
No. 

1207
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,400
No people keep recommending that
to me. 

1208
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:49,500
What's it only matters? 
Yeah. 

1209
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,200
Listen to say thank you once 
again and if ever you want to 

1210
01:07:53,207 --> 01:07:54,700
come on and talk about something
else. 

1211
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:59,500
That's got some some vague 
gun-related connection than 

1212
01:07:59,500 --> 01:08:01,100
you'd be very, very welcome 
back. 

1213
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:05,000
Oh, thank you. 
Again to Eddie, thank you for 

1214
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,200
listening. 
Please consider joining the 

1215
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,500
gunship preservation Society. 
If you are not already a member 

1216
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:17,500
because it is a very worthwhile 
Pursuit, not least because you 

1217
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:21,100
get obviously the satisfaction 
of knowing that you are a member

1218
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:24,500
of no such an August 
organization but also you get 

1219
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:31,000
for counting for newsletters 
every year you get to go on all 

1220
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,899
sorts of events and me. 
Meetings and dinners, and Boos 

1221
01:08:34,899 --> 01:08:37,500
ups, and all the rest of it as 
and when they occur. 

1222
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,700
And also, you get access to the 
mighty encyclopedia gue notice, 

1223
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,899
which I have recently, availed 
myself of the latest version and

1224
01:08:45,899 --> 01:08:51,300
it is it is like it is a, it is 
like the world's biggest rabbit 

1225
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:56,200
hole that you can disappear down
and resurface some Weeks Later, 

1226
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:01,100
looking bewildered. 
But fulfilled the sure it's got 

1227
01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:02,300
everything. 
It's got scripts. 

1228
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:05,100
It's got At recordings, it's got
photos. 

1229
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:08,300
It's got just tons and tons and 
tons and tons and tons of 

1230
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:13,100
content and any self-respecting 
or even, not really 

1231
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:16,100
self-respecting goons fan. 
Really, really needs to be 

1232
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:18,899
getting their mitts on the 
encyclopedia gonna guess. 

1233
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:22,200
So yeah. 
And in order to do so you have 

1234
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,000
to Shell out coin of the realm 
and join the Goon show 

1235
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,399
preservation Society. 
But you know, you don't have to 

1236
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,100
sell a kidney to pay the 
subscription. 

1237
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:33,200
It's very reasonable. 
Check out. 

1238
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,100
Gunshot preservation Society 
website. 

1239
01:09:36,700 --> 01:09:41,399
They're also on Twitter at the 
GS PS and all the information is

1240
01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:44,899
it will be available to their so
yeah, do that. 

1241
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:47,500
Do it. 
Now, in the meantime, I will see

1242
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:50,700
you next week with another guest
on the show, until then enjoy 

1243
01:09:50,700 --> 01:09:52,800
the beautiful weather while we 
have it. 

1244
01:09:52,899 --> 01:09:54,200
See you soon. 
Bye.