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Hello, listeners. 
And I'm speaking from 

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Churchstone Prison, the new 
Social reform prison. 

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And standing next to me is the 
prison governor, Mr. Norris 

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Luka. 
Good evening, Mr. Luka. 

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Good evening, Grand. 
Mr. Luka, this is is it not a 

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prison without bars? 
Yes, I. 

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Believe that when man gives us 
his word not to escape, that's 

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good enough for us. 
We have no restrictions on the 

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prisoners whatsoever. 
Whatsoever. 

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Anytime they like, they can walk
out of hell. 

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No bars. 
No bars at all. 

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All we have is that word of 
honor. 

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Yes. 
Grand Grand, Could we interview 

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one of these honor prisoners? 
Certainly good, good. 

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James. 
James Wilson. 

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Patty Wilson, Hamilton Hamilton,
Johnny Brown, Willoughby, 

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Crouch, Crouch, Danby, Jack 
Hamilton. 

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This isn't. 
Good enough, you know. 

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Hello and welcome to Goombod, 
the oral resting place for Dead 

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Comics. 
My name is Tyler Adams, and this

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week I am talking to somebody 
stateside. 

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It's Brian Phillips. 
Hello there. 

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How are you doing, Tyler? 
I'm very good. 

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Thank you. 
I'm very good. 

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So you're where are you? 
Where are you based? 

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I'm based just outside of 
Atlanta, GA in a town called 

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McDonough, but I was originally 
born in Spring Valley, NY, which

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is just outside of New York 
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parallel there. 
I decided to go for the suburban

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life just like my folks did and 
I first heard of the Goons when 

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I was living in San Diego, CA. 
Are you familiar with a show 

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called Doctor Demento? 
Yes, I am, but I couldn't tell 

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you why. 
Doctor Demento was run by a 

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musicologist by the name of 
Barrett Hansen, and he had such 

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an extensive record collection 
he boasted the fact that he'd 

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moved houses because the weight 
of his collection actually 

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started to drag the foundation 
into the ground of his old 

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house. 
God. 

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Was between LP's and 78, mostly 
78, and he had played the Ying 

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Tong song, which I thought was 
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without hearing anything about 
the goons. 

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And so he said, one of these 
days we may play an entire goon 

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show if we have the time. 
So that puts put the bug in my 

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ear. 
And over here we have the public

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broadcast service or WNETI think
it was known at the time. 

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Then they started broadcasting 
Monty Python's Flying Circus and

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they mentioned in passing the 
fact that they were upset that 

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Q5 had done what they had done 
just before what they had done. 

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And they said then they 
mentioned the goon show. 

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So I should pay attention to the
goon show. 

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So I borrowed A Goon Show 
scripts book from the library 

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when I honestly found one, and 
it made no, no sense, absolutely

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no sense to me whatsoever. 
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there makes that A and I'd had 
no idea what it sounded like. 

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Fast forward a few years, I was 
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show called Weekend Radio and he
played the mysterious Punch of 

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the Conquer. 
That was my first Goon show and 

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I was on the floor laughing. 
I just absolutely. 

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By the time they got to write it
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absolutely no good. 
So that's that's what really 

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started my interest in the Goon 
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And that would be around 1989 or
so. 

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Oh, wow, that late? 
OK, OK. 

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Am I right that Spike Milligan 
once called you annoying? 

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He didn't call me annoying. 
This is what happened. 

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I went to a weekend called Fred,
the first one and this would be 

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I guess that would be 97, 
correct? 

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I think so, yes. 
So the listeners this this was a

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Guin Show Preservation Society 
event. 

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Correct. 
I presented this to my wife. 

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I said, sweetheart, there's 
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I don't think you'll say yes to 
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convention and it's in the UK. 
And she said, well, when is it? 

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I said, well, it's going to be 3
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And then we'd be able to come 
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mean 3 days? 
Let's go for two weeks. 

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Let's go here, let's go there. 
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So we decided to fly there and 
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I met, I met a lot of great 
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And then the night came that 
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And he came in and he was mildly
smiling. 

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And he said no shaking the 
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And what it turns out was, is 
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that was there that was there to
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And he would not shut up. 
And he was another. 

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And that's another herd, not me.
Don't, don't, don't, don't. 

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Pick on me. 
That's correct. 

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I, I won't call his name out 
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think I know who I think I 
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just of being a gentleman, I 
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the one that ticked him off. 
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that evening of questioning, I 
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which was I asked him if he was 
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John Kirby was a a jazz musician
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classical music and decided to 
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So that actually was a break in 
the question. 

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After the questioning was done, 
the legs said, hey, that was 

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that was a good question. 
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something that he liked. 
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That's the only time I spoke to 
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Yeah, he did. 
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it's getting getting away from 
the usual stock question. 

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Yeah. 
Where did the character of blood

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not come from or whatever? 
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Appealing to somebody who was, 
it was telling me, oh it was 

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Neil Brand who had on as a guest
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He met Spike briefly and asked 
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right, which immediately 
appealed to Spike. 

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And so he got a good 5 minutes 
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They showed that clip. 
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the event too. 
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
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since what, the late 80s you've 
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I'm an an arduous one. 
I'm I'm sort of the Louie Leakey

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of fans, if you will, because I 
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Conquer said. 
Great, got to get more of this. 

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Well, the only time I had seen 
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was at Tower Records. 
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which I eventually got. 
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records and I found out that 
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mysterious punch of the Cocker, 
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because they'd, some of the 
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to fake stereo. 
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The Gunshow Companion and found 
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there were. 
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to, when I, when I'd visited 
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By the way, there was another 
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passed away, whose name I will 
invoke by the name of Lou 

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Curtis, who was people don't 
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the, in the mind of Will Curtis.
I was just incredible folklorist

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and musicologist and collector. 
He had some goon shows and they 

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were in horrible, horrible 
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You could actually hear as the 
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He transcribed it from a very 
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could actually hear, you know 
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the background as well. 
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the missing scroll was from his 
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Oh, OK. 
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So yeah, the missing scroll, 
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that's never really talked about
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Yes. 
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to it, obviously preparing for 
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great it is and how consistently
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It is and it, and it really 
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which you described previous 
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a certain point where it just 
absolutely says I've got to fill

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time with something silly. 
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where that actually works 
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sections that don't need to be 
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And they're, they're, they're 
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Is there anything in particular 

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was it that that appealed to you
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call non sequitur sections or or
was was it just the overall show

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that you enjoyed? 
The show I enjoyed the show 

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quite a bit. 
I I'm a big fan of the this is 

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what the sound. 
This is what 2 real idiots sound

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like section with with seek him 
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And I also thought it was nice 
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comedy scenes. 
I like to stick up for the 

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people that don't get as much 
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And the fact that this is a nice
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could be very funny as well, 
because if you read that part 

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outright, just straight, it 
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It doesn't work at all, But it's
just the way they deliver it is 

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absolutely hilarious. 
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Wilma does make a point of this 
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very, very well. 
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underrated in the sense that you
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actually deliver a line, but can
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straight person because there's 
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person in these, as you know. 
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this and he's actually putting 
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all that much. 
It's in a cage, you say? 

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When I bought it, you know. 
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Well, I'm not sure really. 
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you know. 
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bloomage? 
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It's covered with feathers. 
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I don't know what they'll think 
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Sailor gave it me. 
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It's got a red beak at one end 
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And. 
The bird in between. 

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It's in between then, is it? 
That's a good place for it, you 

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know. 
He seems to be happy there, you 

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know. 
Well then I wouldn't move him. 

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I don't think I shall, really. 
You know I'd won the same build.

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Beat one end, tail the other and
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They look lovely too. 
I do look nice. 

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You can't. 
You can't comment, you must 

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admit. 
I say, what's this I've heard 

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about your missus? 
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that she had an operation on the
kitchen table amongst all the 

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cornflakes. 
The good thing about this show 

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is that it really does have a 
plot that does end up with a 

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fairly reasonable, fairly 
reasonable conclusion, which 

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some of them really don't. 
And I'm glad you've addressed 

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that in past shows that there's 
some case where he just said, 

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well, I've got to stop 
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OK, we've stopped. 
This one actually does have a a 

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fairly decent stopping point and
a through line, which is nice 

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and which does happen a lot in 
the fifth series, that these do 

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have plots. 
And as they get into the later 

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series, they do get more and 
more anarchic. 

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And sometimes that's to the 
good, and sometimes that's to 

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the worst. 
Yeah, it's, it's it's got a 

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beginning. 
It's a series 5 shows. 

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It's got a beginning, a middle 
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And it's got it's got what I 
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similar sort of end to the lost 
gold mine of Charlotte. 

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Well, Eccles has the final line 
of both shows, basically, yes. 

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OK, so before we sort of talk 
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want to talk about what was what
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was recorded. 
So it was it was recorded on the

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30th of January 1955 and on the 
same evening they recorded the 

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second the the re record of 
1985. 

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Ah. 
OK. 

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Yeah, have you? 
I mean, there, there is a 

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version of that on the Goon Show
Compendium. 

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It's Ted Kendall did it, did his
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with, but it's not a great 
quality recording. 

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Have you, have you heard that 
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I did meet Ted Kendall, by the 
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and I've not heard that one. 
I have the, I have the LP 

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version of that. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Actually, what

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was Ted like? 
He was wonderful. 

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He's a very nice fellow. 
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questions. 
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a great question, but he was he 
was very open to the fans and he

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was talking about the great 
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if it's been mentioned in your 

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shows that was a depressing 
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widow apparently had all the 
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second series, much of the 
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So and they're all gone. 
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That's. 
That's that's that was a 

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heartbreak. 
Why would you do that? 

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Ted was great. 
Why would? 

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You do that widow girl Dre, 
That's that's that's craziness. 

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thing to lug and it's just that.
Could you imagine? 

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Yes, it's just my husband 
tootling along again. 

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Why do I, why do I have to be 
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let's let's think about this is 

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that you have memories of your, 
your, your ex-husband and you 

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hear that again, that's 
something you just don't want to

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think about. 
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We'll let her off just on that, 

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just on Max, Good, good 
opportunity for me to ask you 

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the the time honored question. 
Do you or did you ever skip 

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through the the Ray and Max 
numbers? 

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I do and I don't because there's
certain things that my degree is

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in music and I have, I, I, I 
play and I read music very much 

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like a foreigner reads a phrase 
book. 

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But I also, I, I can appreciate 
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music and the music is older and
I, I collect records. 

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So I'm not averse to older 
music. 

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So there's some that I do, I do 
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of them I don't. 
This one I, I did like because 

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his technique is absolutely 
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It's really, really incredible. 
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those are is, it's really nice 
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And this one, this particular 
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Love with Me, which is not a 
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but I did a little research and 
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written in 1926 and I was 
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Clarence Gaskells together, did 
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But it's a it's a very nice 
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Ellington, I've had my ups and 
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grown to like him. 
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it is a little on the square 
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cutting edge with what they're 
recording. 

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For example, they not this show,
but another show they do framed 

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by the coasters, which had to 
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So, yeah, so he's, he's as hip 
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that point. 
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that point because I, I don't 
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had a show here on Pasadena 
Public Radio on KPCC. 

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And he revealed partially how 
The Beatles heard some of these 

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very obscure covers that they 
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his Heart was not a hit. 
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was not a hit by the Shirelles. 
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that merchant Marines would come
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and they would bring in all 
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So they, they just realized that
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anything. 
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newest rock'n'roll stuff from 
America. 

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So they get the any record in 
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So that's what perhaps how 
someone would get even say my, 

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My Boy Lollipop was recorded by 
Barbie Gay and Devil in Her 

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Heart, which was by the donays, 
which they covered in Mr. 

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Moonlight was recorded by Doctor
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And so that's, so that's how 
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obscure records got over there. 
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that the possibility that Ray's 
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Roll possibly was the first time
that the young John Lennon may 

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have heard it. 
That's not impossible. 

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And The funny thing about Shake,
Rattle and Roll is that he does 

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the clean up cleaned up version 
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had a hit with the original 
version by Jesse Stone is really

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a rude song for the time. 
It's it's pretty dirty, but 

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every version extant, every last
one of them has the dirtiest 

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line in it because there's a 
drummer. 

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And you can actually see footage
of him in a documentary called 

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The Last of the Blue Devils, 
which was a Kansas City jazz 

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band that didn't record much. 
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came through there. 
The guy who was named Baby 

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Lovett, he was a drummer. 
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the song, said, yeah, Baby Love 
was always saying crazy things 

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like one eyed cat peeping in the
seafood store. 

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Then I really listened to that 
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I said, oh, that's what he's 
talking about. 

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And but every version missed 
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And it has absolutely nothing to
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store and wanting food. 
I'll live. 

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I'll be as, I'll leave it at 
that. 

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Yeah. 
But I the I will say that I 

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guess I was perhaps primed for 
Goon Show humor because my first

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real exposure to that kind of 
humor at all was the fact that I

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was a huge fan of Yellow 
Submarine. 

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My brother and I used to pay 
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house and they would show Yellow
Submarine. 

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And I will guarantee you, of all
the people on this show, there's

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nothing cuter than a little boy,
a little African American boy 

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speaking in a Liverpudlian 
accent after they listened to 

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that show. 
Blue Glass must be from 

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Kentucky. 
It's it's great when you're 7 

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it. 
Yeah, we covered that film just 

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before Christmas, actually. 
Yes, I did and you've and I'm 

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thinking about redoing getting 
the next version, the latest 

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version of the DVD because of 
that. 

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Yeah, it's a, it's a really good
film and really enjoyable just 

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watching that again. 
OK, so, so the, the the show, 

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the missing scroll was it was 
broadcast 1st of February 55. 

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It was the 19th episode of 
series 5 and it was down as 

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being written by Spike and Eric 
Sykes. 

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Well, it's largely thought that 
Spike did the majority of the 

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writing of this doesn't surprise
me. 

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See, I'd always had it in my 
head that it was an Eric script.

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And the reason for that is 
because there's a there's a 

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scene set on a bus in Oldham. 
And Oldham is where Eric was 

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born. 
Oh. 

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OK, and if you remember Logy 
Strikes Britain, which was the 

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first show that he wrote, 
there's a reference to Oldham in

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that as well. 
OK, so I just assumed must be in

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it must be, you know, heavily 
Eric written this one. 

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But no, and it but it does make 
sense. 

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It it's more it's it's funnier. 
I think it's clearly a spike, a 

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small script. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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It's, it's just so far out 
there. 

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I think that it may have been a 
case where there may have been a

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little bit of reining in with 
Eric Sykes, but this, this does,

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this does smack to me of a of an
Eric Sykes script. 

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Also the fact that Peter Eaton 
directed it. 

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I, I think I've read in Willis 
books that when you got around 

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to mentioning dustbins, that's 
when Peter Eden's humor would 

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kick in. 
So the fact that it ends there 

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is an een touch. 
Oh, also I I, I did a little 

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looking around to see if I could
find a synopsis for this in the 

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Radio Times, which I didn't, but
just mentioned that Eric Super 

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Miracle and Eric and Eric Seitz 
wrote this, but I found a 

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snippet of somebody that 
actually saw Harry Secombe 

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performing Cinderella. 
Oh, did you? 

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Yes, if I could read this. 
This is from a woman named 

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Marian from Canada. 
After Harry Secombe had passed, 

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she wrote. 
I first saw Harry Secombe when I

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was seven years of age. 
He was playing buttons in 

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Cinderella at the Coventry 
Hippodrome. 

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I thought he was just great. 
I always liked listening to him 

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sing and there were times when I
was troubled that if I listen to

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him sing I would feel quite 
peaceful. 

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He had a wonderful ability to 
reach people through his comedy,

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his singing, his books and his 
television programs. 

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I will miss him very much. 
He was a good man. 

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I would like to extend my 
condolences and my prayers to 

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his family. 
Very good. 

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He was doing Cinderella. 
Peter Sellers was also appearing

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in in pantomime. 
He was doing Mother Goose rather

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unhappily. 
We have talked about that show 

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previously. 
And Spike. 

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What was Spike doing at this 
time? 

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He was actually on the bill at 
the Metropolitan on Edgeware 

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Road in London. 
It was like a variety show. 

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And he was second billed as 
Spike Echols Milligan from the 

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Goon Show. 
And I just want to tell you who 

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else was on the bill because 
it's because it's, it's just, 

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it's so 1950s. 
So the bill also included Russ 

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Henderson and the Trinidad Steel
Band and, and they'd gone down a

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storm recently when they 
appeared at the Lord Mayor's 

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Show. 
And parts of that have been 

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televised. 
So they they were hot at this 

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time. 
I'm not sure if they were top 

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build over spy catcher that they
might have been. 

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And there was also a singer 
called Marcia Owen with Albert 

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Sadler at the piano. 
There was there was Mundy and 

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Earl's famous miming act, a boy,
a girl and a gramophone. 

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There were instrumental acrobats
called White and Simone. 

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And there was a comedian called 
Ted Carson who was described as 

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the new style. 
Now I looked to find anything 

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else up, you know, in the news 
at the time about in the 

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newspapers about Ted Carson at 
the time, I couldn't really find

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anything. 
So he, he, he vanished without a

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trace. 
There was also, this is very 

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much of the time, the little 
lady from China, Dali Kin. 

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I'm not sure what her act 
involved, but this is the best 

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bit. 
There was a dog act, right? 

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Oh good heavens. 
Rusty the calculating collie. 

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He was presented by his owner 
Victor Manns, and Rusty's act 

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included calculating simple 
mathematical puzzles, picking 

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correct flags, and also skipping
and dancing. 

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And, and I'm sure I'm sure 
there's a critic in this, says 

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that the the integral calculus 
section was rather poor, but 

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nevertheless. 
It would have been something 

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like, I know what it would have 
been. 

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It would have been Victor, his 
owner would have said 3 + 3 

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equals and the dog would have 
barked 6 times that that's how 

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it would have been. 
Yeah, that probably, that 

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probably would be the case. 
That tracks pretty accurately. 

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Have you ever heard Lenny 
Bruce's routine comic of the 

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Palladium? 
No, I haven't. 

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Lenny Bruce, are you from your 
family? 

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Oh, absolutely, yes. 
But yes, that's probably his 

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best bit that I've heard. 
Lenny Bruce this, Lenny Bruce 

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that. 
And you have to know something 

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of the times to really 
appreciate him fully. 

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But he talks about this comic. 
He used the natural name of a 

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comic. 
I don't know if he actually did.

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This guy named Frank Dell, who 
was not a successful comic, who 

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decides that he wants to play a 
class room, he wants to play an 

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Uptown gig. 
So his manager books him at the 

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Palladium, and he says, OK, 
starting at the Palladium, we've

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got Bobby Breen, the Scottsboro 
voice for Poetry and jazz, Wanda

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and her birds. 
And so it's this absurd, absurd 

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at the time to us, Bill, but 
apparently that's somewhat 

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historically accurate. 
Oh, hello, son. 

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How do you do? 
My name is Val Parnell. 

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I'm the house Booker here. 
And you had quite a grim crowd 

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out there, didn't you? 
I don't think I've seen anything

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like this in quite a few years. 
You just couldn't get off the 

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ground. 
You were out there for a couple 

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of hours, weren't you? 
Boy, that was certainly rough. 

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Unfortunately, I didn't see you 
work while I was in New York. 

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00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,640
Jack Duran told me that you did 
quite a good job in Rochester 

447
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,720
and bit for bit to take your act
apart. 

448
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,840
Let's see now that hep smoker 
reefer bit was quite 

449
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,360
avant-garde. 
We never heard any reefer humor 

450
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,680
here. 
And see if Miss Toklas is in 

451
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,640
with a candy for me. 
And you're quite a sensitive 

452
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,600
performer. 
That was evidenced by the 

453
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,200
continual references to Liberace
and Christina. 

454
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,560
I guess my wife thought you were
marvellous. 

455
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,040
She, she got all that good hep 
stuff you did After you went 

456
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,800
off. 
We had a bit of a meeting and we

457
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,800
kicked a lot of ideas around and
one of them was that there's a 

458
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,120
boat leaving Thursday and I was 
wondering if you'd mind signing 

459
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,720
this release here, here. 
Now there is I do have the a 

460
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,880
synopsis for the missing scroll 
which Spike wrote. 

461
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,440
And it goes. 
The director of the BBC Home 

462
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,600
Service learns by stealth that 
the ancient Babylonian scroll of

463
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,480
Purdum, the beginning of 
Allmusic, has been found by 1/2 

464
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,600
witted Syrian dustman in a cave 
in the valley of the Euphrates. 

465
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,120
He immediately fits out an 
expedition under Ned Sea Goon 

466
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,040
LRAM to locate the scroll and 
bring it back by hook or crook 

467
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,440
for the Home Service to 
broadcast every Tuesday night, 

468
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,680
thus leading to a revival of 
interest in sound radio. 

469
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,760
And I want to start off as well 
because the show begins with 

470
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,480
with Wallace. 
Oh, by the way, have you 

471
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,200
listened to the the full fully 
restored version? 

472
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,480
The without the the edits? 
I don't believe so. 

473
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,760
I this is one of those ones that
I only have the bad recording 

474
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,080
and there's another site that I 
was able to pull that I was able

475
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,480
to pull it down from and all of 
my edits go to 26 minutes. 

476
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,240
The script that I read has some 
restored bits in it, but not 

477
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,560
anything I have doesn't have it.
So the in which case I might be 

478
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,520
referring to some stuff in this 
chat that you haven't heard, but

479
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,120
we can talk around it, OK? 
Yes, I have it. 

480
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:58,200
I have this. 
I have. 

481
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,360
I pulled the script up just to 
to see what what was out because

482
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,640
I I'd seen there was stuff that 
was out and there's one edit I 

483
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,560
want to ask about a little later
that doesn't seem to be an edit,

484
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,440
but it's it sure sounds like 1. 
See if that got restored. 

485
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,200
I think, I know, I suspect which
one you might be referring to, 

486
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,040
but we'll see when we get to it.
Sure. 

487
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,640
I wanted to begin talking about 
Wallace at the beginning because

488
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,080
he's he's picking up the BBC and
and John Snagg this. 

489
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,680
Is the BBC Home Service. 
Johnny Gunn, Rama. 

490
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Thank you, gentlemen, for 
praising my announcing, but I 

491
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,880
was merely doing my duty in 
upholding the final traditions 

492
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,800
of my alma mater, the Home 
Service. 

493
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,160
And. 
And furthermore, gentlemen, may 

494
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,160
I say how splendid I think the 
Home Service is thanks to the 

495
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,800
alpha prodig of the corporation,
Mr. John Snares. 

496
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,760
Yes, yes, it was he who, in my 
darkest hour, handed on to me a 

497
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,520
copy of the Radio Times, on 
whose friendly pages, couched in

498
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,120
beautiful Victorian English, I 
found a wealth of jolly good 

499
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,360
programs. 
Good opportunity for me to 

500
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,080
discuss the Radio Times because 
the week that this was 

501
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,960
broadcast, the issue of the 
Radio Times, which was out on 

502
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,600
sale, had a full page article 
about the goons. 

503
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,080
It was it was the Radio Times in
question had Benny Hill on the 

504
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,760
cover for a young fresh faced 
Benny Hill. 

505
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,440
But yeah, the the the article 
was called 6 hours in the 

506
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,160
Goonery. 
All right. 

507
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:45,080
And it's basically a bit of 
Radio Times Hack has gone to the

508
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,520
Camden Theatre on a Sunday and 
observed what was going on 

509
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
leading up to a Green Show 
recording, which was 

510
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,440
fascinating. 
Yeah. 

511
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,840
I wanted to share much of this 
because it it's a fascinating 

512
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,360
glimpse behind the scenes and 
the show in question, the actual

513
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,680
show that he witnesses is not 
revealed. 

514
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,920
It's it's really annoying. 
He doesn't say which which show 

515
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,280
it is that he's watching, but it
has to have been after the first

516
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,680
version of 1985 was broadcast 
because the writer quotes from 

517
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,760
it. 
But we'll come to that. 

518
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,440
I think it was written several. 
I think the article was written 

519
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,720
several weeks before, you know, 
the Radio Times issue was 

520
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,120
published. 
Well, it would have had to have 

521
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,640
been. 
So it's likely that the show he,

522
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,440
he saw would probably have been 
the case of the Missing Air or 

523
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,280
China story or maybe had a push 
under 2 floorboards. 

524
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,120
And I, I looked, I even went as 
far as looking for topical 

525
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,880
references penciled onto those 
scripts because he mentions A 

526
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,160
topical reference in the 
article. 

527
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,480
But I couldn't, I just couldn't 
narrow it down to which show it 

528
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,760
was that he attended. 
But anyway, I wanted, I'm not 

529
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,720
going to read the whole thing. 
I want to read much of it 

530
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,040
though, if that's OK, because 
it's really, really interesting.

531
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,360
And yeah, and I'd, I'd welcome 
your thoughts as well. 

532
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,080
OK. 
OK, so it begins. 

533
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,320
What happens before a goon show 
goes on the air? 

534
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,280
What sort of atmosphere prevails
at a rehearsal? 

535
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,080
Why does goon humor make such an
appeal? 

536
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,480
Richard Hewson went to a went to
a recording session to find out,

537
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,960
and here he recounts some of his
impressions. 

538
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,880
And he's he begins. 
If I say I was in a foreog of 

539
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,000
mental depression, those of you 
who are goon fans will know 

540
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,120
exactly what I mean. 
You will probably also guess 

541
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:42,720
that I also am a goon knight. 
I am, and I was in this for of 

542
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,320
mental depression when I 
received the invitation to 

543
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,280
attend a goon recording session.
It's good to be alive in 1985, I

544
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,680
said, and snatching up my 
passport to the goonery, I 

545
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,720
skidded northwards over the ice 
slippery streets of London. 

546
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,640
I was happy. 
Now I was about to learn who 

547
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,400
wound up the goons and what made
them tick so smoothly. 

548
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,520
OK. 
So yeah, so he's, he's he's 

549
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,880
quoted from 1985 there. 
Which? 

550
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,360
Makes me think it's got to have 
been, you know, the week after 

551
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,400
or something like that. 
It it does look like there's 

552
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,720
somebody that's actually hip to 
it as opposed to calling them 

553
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,880
the go ONS. 
So absolutely. 

554
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,480
Yeah, he knows of what he 
speaks. 

555
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Yes, basically, Yeah, 
absolutely. 

556
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,240
OK, so he's he says. 4 PMI 
arrive at the studio, once a 

557
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,400
theatre. 
I wave my passport at the 

558
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,720
commissioner and at his 
direction, bundle down some 

559
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,240
stairs and knock on a door 
marked Control Cubicle. 

560
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,400
The door is opened by an 
attractive girl and I'm beckoned

561
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,520
into a kind of large aquarium 
tank. 

562
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,560
A stocky, smiling chap comes 
forward and introduces himself 

563
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,440
as Peter Eaton, the producer. 
The girl is his secretary, 

564
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,120
Valerie Simons. 
Never heard of Valerie Simons 

565
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,080
before. 
It's one of those because if she

566
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,400
was, you know, Peter Eaton's 
secretary or or assistant, she 

567
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,960
would have had have had a wealth
of stories. 

568
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,320
I wonder if the GSPS ever tried 
to track her down. 

569
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,000
The The article continues over 
the sleek head of John Browell 

570
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,840
who sits at the control panel. 
I see through the glass 2 rows 

571
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,600
of empty seats looking down to 
the stage and the mikes. 

572
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,760
Then Eaton says just a little 
briefing for you and tells me 

573
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,680
that with the exception of Spike
Milligan, who writes the scripts

574
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,160
and collaboration with Eric 
Sykes, the cast has not set eyes

575
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,280
on it until today that their 
first run through will take 

576
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,520
place in a few minutes. 
At this point Barry Wilson comes

577
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,000
in from the adjacent gramophone 
effects cubicle and in making 

578
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000
the introduction Ethan explains 
what a vital part recorded 

579
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,760
effects play in a goon 
production. 

580
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,040
Other people drift in now. 
Wallace Greenslate, the 

581
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,480
announcer, Peter Sellers, the 
man of many voices, ebullient 

582
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,360
Harry Seekon, the exponent of 
mad laughter and operatic Arias.

583
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,920
Spike Milligan, the true living 
goon. 

584
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,320
And last but not least, John 
Hamilton, the spot effects man 

585
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,640
Eaton reads out the cuts which 
have been made in the script and

586
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,600
pencils get busy marking in the 
fresh queues suddenly spike 

587
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,800
things up, a new gag, a very 
topical one, and this is 

588
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,600
inserted. 
Then Eaton says well let's have 

589
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,960
a stumble through and see what 
happens. 

590
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,239
That's what I meant before when 
I said about there's a, there's 

591
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,840
a very topical gag included in 
this show and I couldn't and I 

592
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,719
went through those, those 3 
show, looked at the actual 

593
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,080
original scripts and couldn't 
find anything. 

594
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,360
Yeah, and it's not impossible 
that that part might have been 

595
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,000
cut out entirely. 
Absolutely, Absolutely. 

596
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,440
Yeah. 418 To my untrained ear, 
the stumble through seems to be 

597
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,440
pretty good, but Eton is making 
copious notes. 450 A brief 

598
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,840
conference, some pertinent 
directions from Eton, then 

599
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,960
another rehearsal of cuts and 
effects cues. 

600
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,960
The goons begin to laugh 
uproariously at some particular 

601
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,280
line. 
Eton says Come on, chaps, let's 

602
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,680
get on. 
And they get on. 

603
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,280
So that's an indication. 
We, we, we knew that Peter 

604
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,280
Eaton, who who had been a 
military man, he did, he did 

605
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,360
instill a lot of discipline into
the show. 

606
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,920
He didn't put up with a lot of 
nonsense. 

607
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,520
Yeah, and even Million had said,
you know, I really need a strong

608
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,960
producer. 
And it seems like Peter Eaton 

609
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,720
was the guy for the job. 
And there's a nice little 

610
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,200
foreshadowing that John Browell 
is there as. 

611
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,120
Well, yes, absolutely, 
Absolutely. 

612
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,720
At 5:00 now, a 10 minute break 
for tea in the canteen. 

613
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,960
There is a dash for biscuits and
packets of chocolate. 

614
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Sellers opens a letter. 
It is from a person who wants to

615
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,600
understudy Blue Bottle. 
Blue Bottle, however, does not 

616
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,240
think much of the suggestion. 
Eaton hands me the second cup of

617
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,680
tea and tells me the story of 
the Goon fan mail. 

618
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,600
And what a story. 
Hundreds of letters a week from 

619
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,560
all over the country. 
Letters from generals, bus 

620
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,520
drivers, Padres and char ladies,
from the schoolboy and from his 

621
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,280
master, from all sorts and 
conditions. 

622
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:00,280
One of the appeals of the Goon 
show, says Eaton, is that it's 

623
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,800
humour is classless. 
I agree, thanks. 

624
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,280
It also sometimes carries a very
sane message to a very mad 

625
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,920
world. 
So again, the writer showing 

626
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,720
that he's a genuine Goon Show. 
Got got the thinks in there way 

627
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:19,080
to go. 
Absolutely 525 in front of the 

628
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,600
mic. 
There is a final smoothing out 

629
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,360
of roughnesses and then the warm
up is agreed upon. 

630
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,280
This transpires to be a crazy 
kind of introduction to the 

631
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,240
show, which is not recorded. 545
The goons dispersed for a while 

632
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:33,600
and while members of the 
audience begin to drift on the 

633
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,720
stage and take their seats, 
there is dapper Max Galdry, the 

634
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,360
harmonica wizard and Wally 
Stott, the conductor. 

635
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,280
As I watch from the stalls. 
Suddenly the friendly seek and 

636
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,480
joins me. 
We're all such good pals. 

637
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,280
He says. 
This is one of the reason for 

638
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,400
our success, which is nice. 
We wouldn't expect Harry to say 

639
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,520
anything less, really, would you
of? 

640
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,760
Course not, of course not that 
he and he was by the way. 

641
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,640
He was just he was everything 
you thought you would be. 

642
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,080
When a week I got I did get a 
chance to shake his hand and get

643
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,480
his autograph. 
He he was very, very nice. 6:00 

644
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,880
Band call and Galdrey and 
Ellington rehearsed their 

645
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,920
numbers. 
Then the music links are gone 

646
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,000
over until they are perfected. 
Some passage is being recorded 

647
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,920
and then played back to the 
orchestra so that Ethan can more

648
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:21,080
easily explain what he requires.
725 and now all on stage for the

649
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,840
first and last complete run 
through with artists, orchestra 

650
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,360
and effects in control. 
Valerie times the performance 

651
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,960
against the stopwatch and Eaton 
makes further notes. 

652
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Then another briefing for 
artists and effects men, and 

653
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,120
again the sticky patches are 
rehearsed. 

654
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,400
And so it goes on, polishing and
repolishing, tightening up, 

655
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,960
timing, stressing this word, 
throwing away that nothing left 

656
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,560
to chance. 
By the time Easton finally says,

657
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,240
all right, that's got it. 
Thank you, everyone. 

658
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,440
The audience is already 
filtering in. 

659
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,760
So it's amazing amount of, you 
know, honing of, of the show 

660
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,440
before it's even properly 
recorded. 

661
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,640
Yes, yes. 
And that it shows in the IT 

662
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,240
shows in the product. 
Yes, there's a lot of horsing 

663
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,080
around and there's the 
occasional ad Lib and crack up. 

664
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,040
But by the same token, they 
really do they're they're on 

665
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,760
their queues. 
They are doing everything to 

666
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,800
maximum effect. 
And considering the, the, the 

667
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:20,320
absolutely chaotic and a 
deadline conscious man air in 

668
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,120
which they did this, they 
they're really are very well 

669
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,920
polished. 
So I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad 

670
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,320
to hear that has been proved by 
this article. 

671
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,680
Yeah. 
Totally. 

672
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:34,680
And then finally, 915 Zero Hour.
The red light goes on and 

673
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,440
Greenslade says this is the BBC 
Home Service. 

674
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,640
I look around the control room. 
The floor is littered with 

675
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,720
pieces of paper, cigarette 
cartoons, chocolate and biscuit 

676
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,360
wrappers. 
But everything is tidy in the 

677
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,600
minds of the people here. 
Valerie keeps a watchful eye on 

678
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,760
the script and stopwatch. 
Now and then Eaton throws off an

679
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,080
aside to gramophone effects fade
here. 

680
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:55,960
That's it. 
Cut. 

681
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,760
And as the seconds on the face 
of the clock flick past, he 

682
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,960
sometimes acknowledges a well 
timed line with the thumbs up 

683
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,040
sign Browse. 
Fingers slide over the panel, 

684
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,880
keeping the balance of sound, 
damping down the sudden bursts 

685
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,000
of laughter. 
The show was going well and 

686
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,120
running to time. 
At last the signature tune and 

687
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,040
Greenslade makes the closing 
announcement. 

688
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,920
A terrific round of applause. 
And then Galdre and the 

689
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,640
orchestra begin the play out 
music. 

690
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,520
The show is over, as is the 
article. 

691
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,000
That's that's a very good 
article for the time, isn't it? 

692
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,800
I'm very impressed. 
Yeah, I did. 

693
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,560
I didn't read it totally, but I 
I read the most interesting 

694
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,840
parts and it's just gives you a 
really, really good 

695
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,760
understanding of what went into 
making a goon show. 

696
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,040
Yes, considering that we all we 
have is that little teaser with 

697
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,960
a back when Benteen was with the
goons of any kind of backstage 

698
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,000
memories are are very, very 
precious. 

699
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,480
And so I'm very glad that you 
found that. 

700
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,400
That's that's gold right there. 
I'm glad to, and also because 

701
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,200
there's that one that I brought 
up some time ago that every so 

702
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,040
often after the music ends, 
there's an extra burst of left. 

703
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,040
Laughter sometimes and it turns 
out and this this showed up on 

704
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,400
one of the other Goon Show 
Facebook groups. 

705
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,160
When they would have the music 
on, there would be a light that 

706
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,040
would be just above the 
microphone to show that the 

707
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,640
music was going and no one's to 
make any sounds. 

708
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,960
And then when the light was off,
you could go back on mic and 

709
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,040
continue the episode. 
Well, Spike was able to time it 

710
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,960
that he would sense when the 
light would go off and he'd blow

711
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,960
on it and then the light would 
go off to look like he's blowing

712
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,240
out a candle. 
So there'd be this lecture burst

713
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:36,080
of there'd be applause and a 
little extra laughter. 

714
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,600
So that might be sometimes what 
it is. 

715
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,680
OK, yeah, I think I remember 
you. 

716
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,600
I think you messaged me about 
that. 

717
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,920
Yeah, that's really interesting.
And and look, I'm I'm conscious 

718
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,840
of the fact I've been reading 
out printed words quite a bit 

719
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,960
already. 
But I'm going to continue, I'm 

720
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,080
afraid, because not as much, not
as much by any means, but I want

721
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,640
to just talk about the show 
because or the missing scroll 

722
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,240
because it it begins with Neddy,
who is working as a translator 

723
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,360
at the Norwich Castle Museum 
under the supervision of the 

724
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,360
aged Roger Fudge Knuckle, right,
which is Peter Sellers playing 

725
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:23,160
at an elderly Scott. 
What's the time? 

726
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,240
3 minutes to midnight. 
Oh well, might as well have an 

727
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:34,400
early night. 
Shut up, your mean old bounder 

728
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,600
def is a coot. 
Good night, needy. 

729
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,840
Good night you bald old bass 
bun. 

730
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,280
Good night, Oh needy. 
Yes, I just start to tell you 

731
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,920
one day you're going to be a 
bald old bass bun too. 

732
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,200
He's one of the few, certainly 
at the time people that his 

733
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,600
accents are impeccable, 
especially his American accent. 

734
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,800
It's it's darn near bulletproof.
And I've even to this day, 

735
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,080
because I I'm a big fan of 
listening to more current radio 

736
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,240
comedy that some of them you can
actually tell when that they're 

737
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,200
biting down a little bit too 
hard on certain certain 

738
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,480
syllables. 
But his is very, very good. 

739
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,840
And this one is I love the 
Scottish accents, in particular 

740
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,760
when they're company with 
bagpipes. 

741
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,640
Oh, absolutely. 
That that comes a little bit 

742
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,520
later in the goonshare of the 
bag pubs, just on the on the 

743
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,840
Cellars. 
American accents. 

744
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,120
I'm sure you're familiar with 
Doctor Strangelove. 

745
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:38,520
Yes. 
His President Muffley to To my 

746
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,800
ear, that accent sounds 
impeccable terms. 

747
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,800
Yes. 
Does it pass as a as a genuine 

748
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,960
American accent? 
As as a as a as a full blooded 

749
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,120
turn, yes, it absolutely does 
it. 

750
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:55,600
It's it's truthfully very, very 
it it, it plays out very nicely.

751
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,880
There's no, there's nothing 
dropped as that one else went 

752
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,200
being there. 
Same thing. 

753
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,280
I I've watched Doctor 
Strangelove, I have the DVD I've

754
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,720
watched any number of times and 
I can't catch the moment where 

755
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,760
he said there's that one word 
that that that he stumbles on. 

756
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,240
So yeah, it's it's dead on the 
money. 

757
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,600
Brilliant. 
Yes. 

758
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,680
OK, so so Roger Fudge knuckle in
the script, in the actual 

759
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:27,400
original script, the characters 
called Mr. Rage King, which 

760
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,200
which I just can't work out what
where that comes from, what that

761
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,600
means. 
There's got to be some meaning 

762
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,360
behind Rage King. 
But anyway, but I just wanted to

763
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,640
mention I was saying about 
reading stuff out in the the 

764
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:47,520
Norwich Evening News, that fine 
organ on the 3rd of February 

765
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:52,240
1955. 
There was a columnist for that 

766
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:57,400
newspaper who wrote This Reason 
is their Enemy. 

767
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,240
So when goon show addicts heard 
Harry seek him assume in this 

768
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,720
week's comedy radio show the 
role of Keeper of Ancient 

769
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:07,240
Manuscripts at Norwich Castle 
Museum, No one should have been 

770
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:11,520
surprised. 
Although the award for the best 

771
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,800
new radio show organized by a 
national newspaper recently went

772
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,440
to Arthur Ascii's Hello 
Playmates, my choice for the 

773
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,040
funniest half hour this year and
last would be the Goons. 

774
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,560
What prompted the reference to 
the Castle Museum remains 

775
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,080
shrouded in the incomprehensible
but highly amusing doings of 

776
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,640
this crazy team. 
OK. 

777
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,760
And that was written by a 
columnist called Wiffler. 

778
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,160
And so, yeah. 
So I mean, nothing much 

779
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:42,400
obviously happens in in Norwich.
So much so that when it's it's 

780
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Castle Museum gets mentioned on 
the radio, They they have to, 

781
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,600
they have to write about it and,
and, and interestingly, a couple

782
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,360
of days later in the same 
newspaper, Wiffler comes back 

783
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,520
and and writes. 
A reader suggested to me the 

784
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,040
other day a possible answer to 
the question of how it came 

785
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,520
about that Harry Seekin recently
assumed in radio's Goon show the

786
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,600
role of Keeper of Ancient 
Manuscripts at Norwich Castle 

787
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,560
Museum. 
My correspondent points out that

788
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,640
two of Harry's fellow comedians 
were in a show at the Norwich 

789
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,640
Hippodrome last November. 
It rather looks as if in the 

790
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,320
course of their stay, Peter 
Sellers and Spike Milligan paid 

791
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,800
a visit to the museum and it 
made an impression which 

792
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,880
remained in their subconscious 
minds. 

793
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:31,480
Well, maybe not, but anyway. 
It, it's, it's, I will say that 

794
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,560
there's the the only granule of 
truth I will extract from that 

795
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,400
is that and I, I, I tried to 
find this before we recorded, 

796
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,440
but I couldn't come up with it. 
But there's this one fellow 

797
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,520
talking about the absolute pain 
it is to try to be funny on a 

798
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,000
weekly basis. 
And he he comes to the point 

799
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,920
where he's basically shaking 
down his children. 

800
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,040
Did you think of anything funny,
anything at all I can write 

801
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,840
about? 
So maybe at this point he just 

802
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,080
said Norwich. 
OK, let's put that in there. 

803
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,680
So absolutely, absolutely. 
Before we continue on to about 

804
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,120
Norwich, I want to go back a 
little bit in the script. 

805
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,480
How does Sigun introduce 
himself? 

806
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,200
My name is Sigun Neddy Sigun, 
you've possibly seen my name in 

807
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,560
the mirror. 
It reads New guys Aiden New guys

808
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,000
in the year Nintoon 100 and 
Scranson screen. 

809
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,640
I was implied to the knowledge. 
Stan Freeberg, another prominent

810
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,320
radio comedian of the time, had 
this weird habit where he would 

811
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,800
spell something backwards and 
figuring that would be the 

812
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,600
funniest thing in the world. 
And sometimes it works, 

813
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,120
sometimes it doesn't. 
But there was a product that, 

814
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,560
well, the days before all of 
this called Serotan, which is 

815
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,880
nature's spelled backwards. 
It was a laxative. 

816
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:50,800
And so I think that people made 
fun of that slogan because they 

817
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,760
say you, you remember serotonin 
spelled backwards is nature's to

818
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:56,520
hope, hopefully sell the 
products. 

819
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,760
So I think people picked up on 
that. 

820
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,440
So that was sort of in the 
cultural zeitgeist at the time. 

821
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,200
OK. 
I'm just trying to think of 

822
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,600
famous products or brands that 
are words spelled backwards. 

823
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,600
And the first thing I can think 
of is cell tape, you know, sell 

824
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,000
tape. 
Well, that's Beetle spelled 

825
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,600
backwards. 
But yeah, I do. 

826
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,040
I do I I remember seeing that 
reference every so often when I 

827
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,880
was it was going from a big 
Beatles phase. 

828
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,240
It was the company that was set 
up either by Brian Epstein or in

829
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,000
in conjunction with Brian 
Epstein to sell Beatles 

830
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,920
merchandise. 
OK. 

831
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:37,720
And he and he he really did 
himself out of out of a lot of 

832
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,200
money, the deal that he put 
together. 

833
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,640
But anyway, the cell tape. 
But yeah, that's that's seeker 

834
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,840
Nettie Seeger spelled backwards.
But at the museum where he is 

835
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,560
working as a translator, we have
his his interaction with his 

836
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,160
boss, Roger Fudge Knuckle. 
And I love, I love this little 

837
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,960
bit where Nettie thinks he's 
deaf. 

838
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,280
That's that. 
That is fantastic and I've 

839
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,680
imitated that many times to 
myself when they get to be in 

840
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,120
and being being an American, I 
had to look up what a bath bun 

841
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,400
was. 
Yeah, I didn't really know what 

842
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,960
1 was until I came to this 
country, Moriarty calls on the 

843
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,240
phone on behalf of the London 
antique dealer. 

844
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:25,800
Hercules grip pipe thin and 
Mariachi is calling without the 

845
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,080
aid of a phone as he's on top of
a bus. 

846
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,720
Yes, if I were to take any, if 
someone would say what was 

847
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:37,120
what's so funny about the goon 
show, the writ piece of paper 

848
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,200
bit from mysterious punch over 
the Conqueror would be 1, but 

849
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,840
this bit would be another one. 
This this is a perfect example 

850
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,960
of the great goon. 
So illogic in in, in, in, in in 

851
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,480
full force. 
And then you just play that 

852
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,360
little bit and say, Oh yeah, 
that that's why that's funny. 

853
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,520
And it's still funny to this 
day. 

854
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,040
Yes, and a couple of shows ago 
we discussed the case of the 

855
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:00,480
Muckanese battle horn. 
Yes, and they visualized A gag 

856
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,440
from this show where Moriarty is
talking to Sea Goon. 

857
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,240
Is it? 
Moriarty gets his cigarette lit 

858
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,480
through the phone by Sea Goon. 
Yes, I think yes. 

859
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,440
That's it, isn't it? 
And they did that with Jervis 

860
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,680
fruit and quilt in the Muckanese
battle horn. 

861
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,720
And he he offers Moriarty offers
Seagoon X pounds to to become. 

862
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:27,920
A grip times. 
Assistant. 

863
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,120
Right. 
And yes, so the BBC Home Service

864
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,640
are offering 50 lbs. 
Or a live subscription to the 

865
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,600
Radio Times for the recovery of 
the manuscript in which Purdum 

866
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,200
wrote The Lost Music of Babylon 
4000 years ago. 

867
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,440
Did you, did you do any, did you
do any research on Purdum? 

868
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,840
What, as in, did Purdum actually
exist? 

869
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,280
Yes, now this is I, I did a 
little bit of I did a little bit

870
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:58,000
of diving and haven't helped me 
some watching Dick Baker, who 

871
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:05,720
was the the runner US Zoom show.
He made mention of the fact that

872
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:09,760
he said, by the way, did you 
know that there was a a film 

873
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,680
called the Egyptian which 
started Edmund Purdum. 

874
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,600
I wonder if this was a 
reference, an inspiration for 

875
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:16,920
the show. 
Oh. 

876
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:23,120
So I looked at, I looked this up
and the Egyptian was a book that

877
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,400
sold very, very well and 
eventually became a film. 

878
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,360
And Edmund Purdum was a 
relatively unknown actor and he 

879
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,800
played a Sinhuwe SINHUE. 
That's how they pronounce it in 

880
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,680
the film. 
And this was a huge, huge 

881
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,760
Cinemascope movie widescreen 
that premiered in 1954. 

882
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,280
And Purdum has a really weird 
distinction. 

883
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:56,560
He is the only person that had 
his handprints put in at the 

884
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:04,760
Grorman Chinese Theater and then
had them removed because many of

885
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,680
the people that were there were 
well loved celebrities and they 

886
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,320
had long careers. 
This was his first big break. 

887
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,680
And I think that some overactive
Asians thought it would be a 

888
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,120
good idea to say, hey, since 
this is a big splash, it's going

889
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,240
to be a huge hit. 
Let's have him put in there and 

890
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,360
we'll really establish the 
stardom. 

891
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,760
And people took offense to that 
and said, no, no, no, he 

892
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:23,720
doesn't. 
He doesn't. 

893
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:26,200
He hasn't earned the right to be
next to this legend and that 

894
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,360
legend. 
So they removed it. 

895
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:34,520
So that is and so he he is the. 
So you have the missing scroll 

896
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,840
there. 
He's the missing handprint. 

897
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,960
I wonder if you don't know Spike
used to go to the cinema a lot. 

898
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,920
I wonder if the name stuck in 
his head perdem. 

899
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:51,000
I wouldn't be surprised because 
there's a remember a later in 

900
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,280
the script. 
It's called Mesopotamia City of 

901
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,840
filth, which does get a laugh, 
but there there's a part of his 

902
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,560
narration in the film, which, by
the way, if you, if you want to 

903
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,000
live longer, don't watch this 
film. 

904
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,600
It's one of those films that 
it's everything that is said 

905
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,960
that's an importance is said 
very slowly. 

906
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,800
And so it, it's, it's just a, 
it's, I zip through it because 

907
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,400
it's about 3 hours long and, 
and, and which is about 4 hours 

908
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,880
too long for that film. 
But it mentioned lines that 

909
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,320
Queen of City Thebes and that 
comes up brilliant. 

910
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,480
So that may have stuck in his 
head to, to put that line in. 

911
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,760
That's I think I'm almost 
positive that's where Purdum 

912
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,120
comes in, this million 
inspiration. 

913
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So he meets that, meets the 

914
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,800
honorable grip pipes, then who 
is standing, warming himself in 

915
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,600
front of the big open fire with 
his big open trousers. 

916
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,080
Yes. 
Now, is that where you thought 

917
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,880
there's a clear edit point? 
No, not there. 

918
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,480
OK, because there is, to my ear,
there's a clear edit point, but 

919
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,120
I checked that I think it has 
been edited, but I'm assuming it

920
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,400
was just edited to remove lots 
of audience laughter, right? 

921
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,200
Because there's no there's 
nothing in the script to 

922
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,560
indicate there's a line that's 
been cut or anything like that. 

923
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,720
Right there is the script that 
I'm looking at. 

924
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,040
There's a which is a great gag 
about breaking over a bottle of 

925
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,120
wine, which I think that that's 
one of the greatest gag running 

926
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,680
gags in the show. 
Yeah, there's a couple of lines 

927
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,600
down that there seems to be in 
some lines removed. 

928
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,880
And I did do they mention raise 
a laugh in the restored? 

929
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,360
Version they do. 
Yes, OK. 

930
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,680
Right. 
Come there, dear, warm yourself 

931
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,600
with the fire. 
Oh, I'm Mariart here. 

932
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,440
I break open a bottle of wine. 
Thank you. 

933
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,880
No, Ned dear. 
What experience have you had in 

934
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,080
translating ancient scripts? 
Three years with Raise a laugh 

935
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,800
a. 
Graduate by Joe Well, this calls

936
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,040
for a drink. 
Moriarty, break open another 

937
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,440
bottle. 
Thank you. 

938
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,400
So, Neddy, you've been on the 
radio, have you? 

939
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,560
Yes, though I feel it's a dying 
medium. 

940
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,000
I knew a dying medium once he 
got better. 

941
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,160
Tell me, Jolly for the spirit, 
yes. 

942
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:19,320
Neddy, director of the BBC Home 
Service, is looking for new 

943
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,000
ideas. 
How about suicide? 

944
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,760
Yes. 
Yes, the point is, you're here 

945
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,760
when the gunshot finishes. 
They want to try to restore the 

946
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,640
dignity of Tuesday nights. 
How about closing down? 

947
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:40,280
Oh, you good joke, I said. 
Mariotte, thank you. 

948
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,880
And the irony of that, of 
course, that's really close to 

949
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,880
the bone, because Sellers had 
had finished working on Razor 

950
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,960
Laugh in April of 54. 
Oh, is that recent? 

951
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:59,720
But yeah, but he was at this 
time he was working on a show 

952
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,920
called Ted Ray Time. 
Oh, he, he, he was working on 

953
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,400
that from N54 to March 55. 
So he was appearing in that at 

954
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:13,880
this time. 
So that's a real Yeah. 

955
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,880
But yeah, the, the breaking open
the bottle of champagne is, is 

956
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,360
brilliant. 
Something else I I picked up on 

957
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:25,600
as well, it's a grip pipe at the
beginning when he's when he's 

958
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,640
calling for champagne, he's 
referring to Moriarty, but then 

959
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:34,760
a few lines later he's it's gone
from conventional pronunciation 

960
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,880
of Moriarty to Moriarty. 
Right. 

961
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,320
And the received wisdom is that 
Sellers would refer to the 

962
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,760
character as Moriarty when he 
was a little bit annoyed with 

963
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,800
Spike for maybe over acting or 
whatever, or just generally 

964
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,200
annoying him, right? 
But that wouldn't appear to be 

965
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,160
the case. 
And I think it's just maybe just

966
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,000
Sellers just being a little bit 
impish. 

967
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,800
So change it up a bit. 
I think I think that in this 

968
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,960
case it would be. 
It's just I think that it it 

969
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,760
goes to the fact that grip pipe 
is so thrilled that if he's he's

970
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,680
hoped Nettie on something else 
again, that he's he's he's 

971
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,320
feeling very much at home with 
himself in the character. 

972
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,880
So I don't think this is one of 
those cases. 

973
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,400
No, no, they're, they're always 
taking the rise out of the BBC, 

974
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,120
right? 
None more so than here when 

975
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,880
they're basically calling for 
the director of the BBC Home 

976
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,400
Service to commit suicide. 
Yes. 

977
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,360
So, yeah, so we have the the the
sequence carries on with grip 

978
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,520
pipe, right? 
And, and Wallace has to step in 

979
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,920
to explain the plot, right? 
And he says that the the BBC 

980
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,800
Home Service are offering 50 lbs
for the recovery of this lost 

981
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,760
manuscript of Purdam, £50 or a 
live subscription to the Radio 

982
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Times. 
And then he introduces Max, who 

983
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,880
will play a frozen Arab sock 
from the waist. 

984
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,800
From the waist down. 
You talk about if you let your 

985
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,760
mind wander, what you come up 
with that's that's hilarious. 

986
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,080
Absolutely. 
And there's a line that in her. 

987
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,080
Oh, by the way, I I don't know 
if it's been mentioned the gun 

988
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,480
show did run here, but after 
this it read it for in 57 yes 

989
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,200
yeah, and there's one there's 
one there's one line in here 

990
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,360
that would go completely over 
American has about what's a souk

991
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,840
Souk it in sea. 
Yeah, yeah. 

992
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,840
Yeah, yeah, that that's very 
familiar to you. 

993
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,720
But we didn't know that it was a
fisherman's friend. 

994
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,360
Yeah, but when I first heard 
this as a teenager, I didn't 

995
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,840
know the phrase Suck it in sea. 
It's only it's only since I came

996
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,560
to live over here that so. 
So when I first heard it, I 

997
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,720
didn't understand it either. 
I didn't understand the 

998
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,520
reference. 
Seigen sets off to Mesopotamia 

999
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,600
in search of the lost papyrus. 
And this is where he meets 

1000
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,480
William, who's a who's playing a
mysterious Arab who under orders

1001
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,840
from Yakimoto and Eidelberger is
supposed to abandon him in the 

1002
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,200
desert now, Right. 
I love the fact you get a 

1003
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,880
mention of Yakimoto and 
Eidelberger who are the seldom 

1004
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,680
heard minor characters in the 
Goon show. 

1005
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,320
Right, Japanese and and German 
respectively. 

1006
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,080
Another fact that they mentioned
the ones who never referred to 

1007
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:16,120
again. 
Yes, that may have been just him

1008
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,440
being absurd or he thought that 
me I should I if I run out of 

1009
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,720
time, I'll throw in a Yakimoto 
and and then I little burger. 

1010
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,640
I never did. 
But that's interesting because 

1011
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,520
as well, as we'll mention, and 
it's a very dense show, very 

1012
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,480
packed show. 
There's a lot of stuff going on 

1013
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,400
in this. 
You've got those who mentioned 

1014
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,800
but not featured. 
You don't have Blood Knock at 

1015
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,760
all. 
That's right. 

1016
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:43,120
And Blue Bottle is is just 
inserted right at the end, 

1017
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,160
almost as an afterthought as in 
we need to have Blue Bottle in, 

1018
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:47,760
right. 
Isn't he doesn't, he's got 

1019
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,560
nothing to do. 
He doesn't add to the to the 

1020
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,680
story. 
So you could easily have not had

1021
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,280
Blue Bottle as well. 
Yeah. 

1022
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:55,840
Because 1. 
You could lift him right out and

1023
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,320
it wouldn't. 
It wouldn't affect the show at 

1024
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:58,400
all. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1025
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,360
And this may be my favorite 
William appearance. 

1026
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,760
I just, I just like the fact 
that, you see, I leave, you know

1027
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,960
where you leave me? 
Nowhere. 

1028
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,400
Why did you follow me? 
I was lonely. 

1029
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,760
He just loves that. 
That's definitely a spike gag 

1030
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,960
Tell that's that's got spike 
written all over it. 

1031
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,880
I love the bit and and I 
anticipate. 

1032
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,560
I remember anticipating as a kid
when I first heard this show. 

1033
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,760
The running board gag. 
Can't stand on the running 

1034
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,520
board. 
I anticipate that pay off. 

1035
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,040
Perhaps you'll be so kind as to 
give us a lift to the nearest 

1036
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,880
settlement. 
OK, there ain't no room in my 

1037
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,800
car, but you can run behind. 
Thanks. 

1038
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,040
That'll save walking. 
Hold tight. 

1039
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,560
Can I stand on the running boat?
Certainly. 

1040
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:45,520
Now hold tight. 
No. 

1041
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,400
Well, it's no good standing here
on this running board. 

1042
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:10,960
Might as well follow him. 
I'll come with you mind if I 

1043
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,320
come to? 
I love that the old car sound 

1044
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:21,120
effects with the Aruga horn and 
and everything Echoes turns up 

1045
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,080
because he lives in a pyramid 
nearby and there's a reference. 

1046
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,120
Did you get the reference to the
Piltdown skull? 

1047
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,720
Yes and it's it's weird because 
I, I got that on a very 

1048
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,920
roundabout way because my 
brother, my brother who's 8 

1049
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:41,360
years old and his name is Steve 
is a big progressive rock fan. 

1050
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:46,360
And so we he we bought tubular 
Bells when it come out and 

1051
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,240
there's that one bit that's 
credited to the Piltdown man. 

1052
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:55,640
So because there's this one bit 
where the, I think it's the 

1053
01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:02,920
second side and you hear this 
guy go and that's, that's the 

1054
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,160
Piltdown man. 
So I looked it up and I found 

1055
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,560
out what the big hoax was about 
the Piltdown Piltdown skull. 

1056
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,880
So that, that's how I that's how
that's my first reference to it 

1057
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,120
was back when in 72 when it was 
first. 

1058
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,480
So, yeah, so if you will, that's
that's my first moon show 

1059
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,800
reference. 
Fair enough. 

1060
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,160
Just so in case people are 
unaware, it was it was a fraud. 

1061
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:32,760
Supposedly bone fragments were 
found which were presented as 

1062
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,720
the fossilized remains of of a 
previously unknown early human. 

1063
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,440
And, and they would, they were 
quote discovered in 1912 by this

1064
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,400
guy, this amateur archaeologist 
called Charles Dawson. 

1065
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:54,840
And, and it was only exposed as 
a hoax in 1953, right? 

1066
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,040
And he that Dorset had died like
1916. 

1067
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,360
So it was long after he was 
dead. 

1068
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,640
Yeah. 
But it's very, very fresh in the

1069
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,120
mind by 53 to 55. 
So that's absolutely. 

1070
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,720
Yeah. 
Yeah, that's a very timely 

1071
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,360
reference. 
Yeah, I love, I've written in my

1072
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,480
notes here. 
I love the phrase egg stained 

1073
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,320
nightshirt. 
Yes. 

1074
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,200
Conjures up such an image. 
Image Yeah. 

1075
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,280
The one thing that I think that 
does get down plays the fact 

1076
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,680
that let's take all the humour 
out of Spike Milligan. 

1077
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,480
He's a good writer when he 
really he's a very descriptive 

1078
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,520
writer when he wants to. 
Be he is, he is he can't do. 

1079
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:39,080
He does do sometimes, which is 
which is undermined with a gag 

1080
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,640
at the end. 
But he can write dialogue or 

1081
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,720
descriptive sequences which are 
very straight and very well 

1082
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,560
written. 
Yes, and I I thought that I 

1083
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,280
can't remember what show it is, 
but he just says that the the 

1084
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,400
said that the sun had purged the
desert of shade, which I think 

1085
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,480
that's a beautiful line. 
And then of course, William 

1086
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,840
shows up the rice fish and the 
bowfish is the bowfish is off, 

1087
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,360
mate. 
Right after that it just 

1088
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,240
destroys it. 
But it's just that it it was 

1089
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,480
nice to see that there was a 
real serious writer trying to 

1090
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,880
get out. 
Look at his poetry, of course, 

1091
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:10,960
his serious poem. 
Certainly. 

1092
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,400
Wonderful way with words. 
And this is and we get. 

1093
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,200
So we have the running board gag
and then we get to the 

1094
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,120
aforementioned sequence 
conversation between two men on 

1095
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:29,000
a bus from Oldham to Cleethorpes
in Lancashire about a parrot and

1096
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,040
someone's wife having a an 
operation at home on the kitchen

1097
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,320
table. 
And it was inserted to show 

1098
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,520
listeners what a couple of real 
idiots sound like. 

1099
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,280
Yes, and I think that is that is
that that's a great cutaway and 

1100
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,360
it will you know what it just it
just occurred to me. 

1101
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,920
Do you know that really predates
and I wouldn't be surprised who 

1102
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,080
was a fan of it predates Family 
Guy. 

1103
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,600
I think that Seth MacFarlane, 
Seth MacFarlane definitely likes

1104
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,720
to write a lot of cutaway stuff 
that that has nothing to do with

1105
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,840
the plot and then shows back. 
I think uses a bit too much, but

1106
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,760
the the the seeds of that are 
definitely here. 

1107
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,600
Maybe not directly, but filtered
through, you know, Python or 

1108
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:12,800
whatever, but yeah, absolutely. 
And by the way, the the conceit 

1109
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,960
that it's inserted to show 
distance, what a couple of real 

1110
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,640
idiots sound like, that was 
again used in Muckney's 

1111
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,760
Battlehorn a year later. 
Absolutely. 

1112
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,320
With the character of Maurice 
Punk. 

1113
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,520
I I think Maurice Punk is 
perfectly funny, but I think 

1114
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,920
this is the better use of that 
and I don't know how Operation 

1115
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,600
on the Kitchen Table got through
the BBC. 

1116
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,600
It gets faded out, isn't it? 
It does. 

1117
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,680
And then we have 4 real edits, 
the the Ray Ellington Quartet 

1118
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:45,000
doing Mambo Italiano, which then
takes us to Seagoon in Aleppo 

1119
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,720
and he visits a little antique 
shop run by Minnie and Henry 

1120
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:53,080
with rather problematically, 
Ellington as Alinga who who's. 

1121
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:54,400
The. 
Assistant. 

1122
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,560
Yes, I this is this is where, as
I like to say, there's a case 

1123
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,680
where Spike turns to be very 
English, where the racial 

1124
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,160
attitudes of the time were very 
backward. 

1125
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,800
Oh, by the way, I had to, I, I 
want to look this up because 

1126
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,400
there's another reference that I
couldn't, I couldn't quite track

1127
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,400
down. 
But Aleppo's in Syria, but I 

1128
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,600
didn't know that I had to. 
I'd look that up. 

1129
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,440
But yeah, of the various and 
sundry where he gets referred to

1130
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,280
as Black Rod or he's he's you, 
you hear him go, you hear him 

1131
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,440
say yes, master. 
I just I just wince. 

1132
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:32,600
But this one, as bad as it is, 
didn't bother me as much as some

1133
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,000
of the other stuff that the 
racial stuff they had him do. 

1134
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:36,480
I don't mind him as the red 
bladder. 

1135
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,600
I think he's hilarious as that. 
And the very fact that his voice

1136
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,640
is so coarse. 
It's a nice, it's a nice 

1137
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,200
contrast to the other, the other
accents. 

1138
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:52,080
But I take that and I, I, I, I 
like to use the word in context.

1139
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,240
There's if you take it in the 
context of time, it's very fat. 

1140
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,960
That he's there at all is pretty
cool because there weren't a lot

1141
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,040
of folks of color on the radio 
at the time. 

1142
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:05,040
And, and, and remember that 
there was even an an edict in 

1143
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:09,560
the BBC that the general public 
shouldn't be subjected to the 

1144
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,320
female voice. 
And so women were a rarity. 

1145
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,120
And I think they was broken with
a petticoat line. 

1146
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,120
I think that was the one they 
first finally allowed. 

1147
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,840
They allowed girls on the radio.
Horror of horrors, so. 

1148
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,560
On American television, or was 
it the radio depictions of 

1149
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,560
people of color, was things like
characters like Rochester from 

1150
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,880
Jack Benny and Amos and Andy? 
Is that right? 

1151
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,040
Yes, Amos and Andy was 
interesting. 

1152
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,760
Amos and Andy were two white 
guys, Charles Freeman and 

1153
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,360
Freeman and Gospel. 
I can't remember the full names.

1154
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,680
And the they were enormously 
successful. 

1155
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,080
And we're talking about you 
could walk down the street and 

1156
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,800
you could hear Amos and Andy 
coming from the, from, from 

1157
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,440
various windows. 
That's how popular they were 

1158
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,240
both. 
And they show up in a film 

1159
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,560
called Check and Double Check, 
which was a castration from the 

1160
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:00,960
show. 
And that's them in blackface, 

1161
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,760
which of course does not get 
shown. 

1162
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,400
Duke Ellington's band was in the
in the film. 

1163
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,160
And that's the part that they 
will show because Amos and Andy 

1164
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,440
aren't there at all. 
But by the time it got to 

1165
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:15,720
television, they actually hired 
black actors and that ran all 

1166
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,600
the way to 1966 until the N8N 
double ACP said that'll be 

1167
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:25,000
enough of that. 
But if you once again to putting

1168
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,440
on the context helmet and things
like our gang, which is also the

1169
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:34,760
Little Rascals, the fact that 
they had black people, black 

1170
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,960
boys and girls playing together 
was huge. 

1171
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,720
And the fact that Rochester in 
Jack Benny was just as 

1172
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:47,840
irreverent to Jack as anybody 
else was, was enormous. 

1173
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,400
And that shouldn't be 
discounted. 

1174
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,600
The issue that I have and I 
that's one thing that I do when 

1175
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,800
people try to and not you, I'm 
not, but other people try to 

1176
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,200
say, well, you have to 
understand the conscience that I

1177
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,680
understand the times I did the 
times, but you have to move 

1178
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:07,080
forward and I won't I won't put 
current mores on previous shows,

1179
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,880
but it's just that I won't hold 
that up and saying, Gee, wasn't 

1180
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,040
it great when yeah, that's fine 
then, but we can't we have to 

1181
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,160
move past that. 
That's and that that's that's 

1182
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:17,920
right. 
So I'll I'll I'll forgive Ellen 

1183
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,840
Gun the very fact that he's just
awash in there and talk about me

1184
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,680
strong me build big man with one
hand. 

1185
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,520
It's great to add to the 
absurdity and that that sound 

1186
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,640
montage. 
I just thought of something as 

1187
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,920
well when you mentioned about 
Rochester giving as good as he 

1188
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,319
got. 
Right. 

1189
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:37,960
Was the character of Benson and 
Soap homage to Rochester in some

1190
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,760
respect, do you think? 
I don't, I don't think so. 

1191
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,920
And if we go further down a 
rabbit hole that that's one 

1192
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,880
thing that Guillaume was very 
firm about is that he because he

1193
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,720
when he first starts out, he has
they, they grayed his hair up 

1194
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,560
and they, they got they got rid 
of that later. 

1195
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,120
But he eventually asserted 
himself that, that he wanted to 

1196
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,000
portray that character with some
dignity. 

1197
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:03,840
And the fact that he ends up an 
assistant to a congressman, I 

1198
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,399
thought was a a good move. 
Oh, by the way, a complete 

1199
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:09,680
anorak moment here. 
Guillaume's real name is 

1200
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:14,359
Williams. 
And he was he shows up on a 

1201
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:18,160
gospel record. 
There was a gospel group called 

1202
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,200
the Pilgrim Travelers and they 
tried to, it might have been the

1203
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,800
Pilgrim travels, but 
nevertheless they tried to 

1204
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:30,080
upgrade their to a folk image. 
So they they called, they called

1205
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,279
them the Pilgrims. 
And there, there he is in his 

1206
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,920
in, in Pilgrim gear. 
But yeah, he was, he was 

1207
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,920
originally Williams and they 
changed to Guillaume. 

1208
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,160
He changed to Guillaume. 
Sounded classier. 

1209
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,960
Yes. 
OK, so back to Minnie and Henry.

1210
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:48,880
We get we get this this extended
scene, of course, which ends up 

1211
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,920
in chaos. 
There's a reference to Anne 

1212
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:57,280
Ziegler who who I was aware of 
the name she she was famous for 

1213
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,080
singing light operatic duets 
with her husband Webster Booth, 

1214
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,480
right. 
But she the reference to her is 

1215
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:10,080
is made with regards to her 
great age, it would appear, but 

1216
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:17,520
she was only she was only 44 at 
the time in the original script.

1217
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:22,280
I saw that the reference was 
going to be to Evelyn Leigh and 

1218
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:25,600
Evelyn Leigh was a musical 
actress and she she would only 

1219
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,200
have been 54. 
So they crossed her out and they

1220
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,040
put Anne Ziegler, who was even 
younger. 

1221
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,320
Did you pick up on men's singing
a snatch of Mambo Italiano as 

1222
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,000
well? 
Yes, I did. 

1223
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,080
I thought that was a that that 
was a great little call back 

1224
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,400
because there's not very many 
times where they actually 

1225
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,560
announced acknowledge that 
there's music in the show. 

1226
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,200
But the fact that that she that 
that they threw that in there, I

1227
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,120
thought was pretty cool. 
And I think next time with 

1228
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,480
dustbin, they they're actually 
singing along with the end 

1229
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:54,960
theme. 
So I did like that. 

1230
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,360
I did like the fact that they 
made mention of that. 

1231
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:01,080
By the way, if anybody wants to 
get a fuller version of Mambo 

1232
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,000
Italian, the the hit version by 
Clooney, there's a movie called 

1233
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,200
Big Night in which there's some 
of the characters, some of the 

1234
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,640
people in the film are miming 
along to that that record. 

1235
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,200
So. 
By which Clooney, Rosemary. 

1236
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:13,880
Rosemary Clooney. 
Yeah, George. 

1237
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,520
George Clooney's on. 
OK, yeah, yeah. 

1238
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,960
So they have this minion, Henry 
have this Contra Tom, if you 

1239
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,080
like. 
And yeah, but I love the bit, 

1240
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,800
this bit where Henry says, look,
man, I want you to send this to 

1241
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,760
Mr. Name Master the Bond Street 
Art Galleries. 

1242
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,280
Look, Min, I want you to send 
this to Mr. Name Master, the 

1243
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,400
Bond Street Art Galleries. 
What is it? 

1244
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:41,280
It's a rare wine bar. 
Be careful with it, Min. 

1245
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:49,520
It's worth nothing. 
My, my, my very patient good 

1246
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,840
lady wife, Rhonda, who, who's 
put up with my various 

1247
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,920
recessions over these years. 
It's not a Goon show fan in 

1248
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,960
particular, but even she found 
that one funny. 

1249
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,600
But that's, that's one of those 
cases where everything is 

1250
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:02,960
working. 
In this case, that, that the, 

1251
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,880
the, the, the big sound montages
are ridiculous. 

1252
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,840
And by the way, second pass, I 
don't know if you noticed this, 

1253
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,280
the second pass has bagpipes. 
The first one doesn't. 

1254
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,240
Oh, I didn't pick up on that. 
Yeah, yeah, the second time 

1255
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,360
around you can hear a bagpipe 
threw even more of the kitchen 

1256
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,480
sink at it. 
And there's a reference to the 

1257
01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:23,600
name Master. 
Mr. Name Master Which? 

1258
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:24,880
Yeah, I didn't pick up that 
struck. 

1259
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,880
Struck me as being that's a very
particular name. 

1260
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,200
Did a bit of digging. 
There wasn't a lot I could find,

1261
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:36,600
but there was a gentleman called
John Jack, name Master, born 19 

1262
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,480
O five, who was an art dealer 
who became an acknowledged 

1263
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:41,480
specialist in English 
watercolors. 

1264
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:46,640
And from 1924 until 1962, he 
worked at Walker Galleries on 

1265
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:51,080
New Bond Street. 
So I'm assuming Spike perhaps 

1266
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,320
must have known him or was aware
of him. 

1267
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:57,040
Must have been, yeah. 
Saw the pictures and stuck in 

1268
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,680
his mind and said OK I'll throw 
that in there too. 

1269
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,160
Yeah, pretty cool. 
Henry had the scroll. 

1270
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:04,800
Back to the plot. 
Henry had the scroll. 

1271
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,960
He threw it out, of course. 
And just like next girl, Dre's 

1272
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:15,320
widow and and he directs seek 
into the Arab dust heap, which 

1273
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:19,960
then gives us this the second 
sequence, which is just from out

1274
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:26,880
of nowhere with this BBC 
reporter called Mondigent Klute 

1275
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,360
or something like that. 
And he's interviewing the prison

1276
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:38,040
warder who is Norris Lurker. 
And this is at Churchstone 

1277
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,160
Prison and it's a new social 
reform prison where the 

1278
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,760
prisoners are kept on their 
honour with no bars. 

1279
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,720
And Norris Lurka, the name. 
Did that ring a bell? 

1280
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,800
Did did that sound familiar to 
you at? 

1281
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,680
All it sounded familiar but I 
couldn't place it. 

1282
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,160
He was also, well, Norris. 
Lurka was also the name of the 

1283
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,200
last tram driver. 
In the last tram. 

1284
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,880
So there you go. 
To the point that because Green 

1285
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:07,040
stayed having to make up time, 
he he reads the name out a 

1286
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,440
couple of times and then spells 
it. 

1287
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,400
So it's, it's a very memorable 
name. 

1288
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,240
Now that little sequence, 
Obviously it's, it's, it's, it's

1289
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,120
an obvious gag. 
This whole, this whole sequence,

1290
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:24,680
yes, what really made me sit up 
and listen was when Harry as 

1291
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,600
Norris lurker is calling out the
names of the prisoners and 

1292
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:34,360
getting nothing back because he 
think back to that Radio Times 

1293
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,800
article I read earlier. 
Yes. 

1294
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,760
He calls out names, including 
Barry Wilson. 

1295
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,200
Right. 
And Barry Wilson worked on Grams

1296
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,560
on the Goon Show and he was, he 
was, he was mentioned in that 

1297
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,480
article. 
Harry calls out Hamilton. 

1298
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,720
And Jon Hamilton was mentioned 
in that Radio Times article as 

1299
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:59,800
spot effects man. 
And he also, he either shouts 

1300
01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:04,480
Charlie Brown or it could be 
possibly Charlie Browell. 

1301
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,720
I don't, I don't know, right? 
He could have could have a 

1302
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,400
reference to the to the peanuts 
or to the coasters. 

1303
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:12,480
I don't, I don't know. 
Yeah. 

1304
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,000
And possibly also at the end, 
Tom Ronald, who was ABBC 

1305
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,520
producer who produced a couple 
of their shows in the 8 series. 

1306
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,920
I just like the the fact there's
a couple of little in jokes 

1307
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,480
there or, or, or, you know, 
references to actual tech guys 

1308
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,040
on the show. 
You just think that I think 

1309
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,920
it's, I think it's kind of sweet
in the sense that you can now 

1310
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,840
these guys can go home and tell 
their families and say, hey, 

1311
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,280
guess what? 
My name got mentioned on the 

1312
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,920
radio of all these years that 
they've been. 

1313
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,480
And since I work tech at my 
church is that it's, it's nice 

1314
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:44,000
to know that the people behind 
the scenes get just a little bit

1315
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,200
of love there. 
So you, you never know who Barry

1316
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,640
Wilson was or Hamilton until 
now. 

1317
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,760
And it's there for it's there 
for eternity, which is very 

1318
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:53,520
cool. 
Isn't it? 

1319
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,160
Yeah, yeah. 
And then finally back at the 

1320
01:15:56,160 --> 01:16:00,120
dust heap, Neddy and Echols, 
empty dustbin, fine blue bottle,

1321
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,280
he was sleeping inside it. 
And then has a very perfunctory 

1322
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,880
30 seconds or so. 
And then Echols finds the 

1323
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,480
ancient manuscript and we get 
the the clincher to the show 

1324
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:11,800
here. 
Come here often. 

1325
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:17,360
Only during the mating season 
now have you seen an ancient 

1326
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:22,080
musical document signed Purdum. 
No, my Capitan I have not seen 

1327
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:27,880
an ancient musical documents and
Perdiums thinks I have not seen 

1328
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,960
an ancient music of document. 
Wait, wait. 

1329
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,760
Look. 
What's this I found? 

1330
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,280
Let's see. 
This is it. 

1331
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,960
The last music of Purdum echoes.
Let the world hear it. 

1332
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:53,080
The lost music of Purdum. 
Oh, the other thing is of course

1333
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,640
the, the, the. 
Do you come here often? 

1334
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,760
Only in the mating season that 
proliferates throughout the show

1335
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:01,840
as well. 
It does, yeah. 

1336
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,920
And that's where I thought the 
edit had come in. 

1337
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,480
Is that right? 
The there's one part where he 

1338
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:12,400
says it's this is one of my 
favorite echoes lines is that he

1339
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,400
said no one, no man has ever 
fallen off the Eiffel Tower and 

1340
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,360
lived. 
You're called this living, he 

1341
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:17,720
said only during the mating 
season. 

1342
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,720
Good luck. 
Oh yes. 

1343
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:26,360
Yeah, if if you listen closely, 
there's, I think you can 

1344
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,760
actually hear just a little bit 
of change in the ambience. 

1345
01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:31,640
But I think that there was 
something that was sniffed out. 

1346
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,360
Maybe somebody hit something or 
there was a flood line or 

1347
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,160
something like that. 
But it's just that only during 

1348
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,960
the meetings are you a good 
luck. 

1349
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,680
Why was the echo staying? 
Good luck to Nate Nacey Goon. 

1350
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:46,400
Well, good, good luck. 
It was a kind of like a way of 

1351
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:51,400
saying well done or yes, OK, or 
just just a way of kind of 

1352
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,920
punctuating a conversation. 
Yeah, I suppose so. 

1353
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,440
I, I just, I guess that he may 
be good luck during the mating 

1354
01:17:58,440 --> 01:17:59,720
season that that could have been
it. 

1355
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,640
But it's just, it seemed, it 
seemed a little odd the way that

1356
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,920
it just not not the the line 
itself, but it just seemed weird

1357
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,920
juxtaposition, like they they'd 
taken something out. 

1358
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:13,200
For example, in Call of the 
West, there's a there's a line 

1359
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:21,960
when Blue Bottle is talking and 
he's he's talking about his his 

1360
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,880
little schoolmate. 
He says whoever the most gets 

1361
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,680
me. 
And that's the version I heard, 

1362
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,440
not whoever shows the most gets 
me. 

1363
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:29,280
So shows got knocked, got ticked
off. 

1364
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,440
OK. 
Yeah, that makes makes a bit 

1365
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:34,040
more sense. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1366
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:36,960
Single words would often get 
just clipped out because they 

1367
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,920
they were suggestive of 
something. 

1368
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,200
So yeah. 
That the one reference I 

1369
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,440
couldn't track down was the they
said they empty all Arab dustbin

1370
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:49,160
at city revoke was zake. 
Yeah. 

1371
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,280
I couldn't find that city at 
all. 

1372
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,560
Well, now I presume it's just 
made-up, but yeah. 

1373
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,360
And it's presumably a play on 
words, but I the reference is 

1374
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,520
lost on me. 
So if listeners can help, please

1375
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,280
oblige. 
Yeah. 

1376
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,160
So overall, a really good show, 
really strong show. 

1377
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,840
And I'm really glad that you 
asked to do this one. 

1378
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,800
Do you have a favorite Sellers 
film or what's what would you 

1379
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,680
say is your favorite solo goon 
project? 

1380
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,320
If you like, my favorite solo 
goon project would probably be 

1381
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,480
being there. 
My introduction to sellers would

1382
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:28,240
have been the Which which is the
1975 Pink Panther. 

1383
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,480
Oh, return of. 
Return of the Pink Panther. 

1384
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,120
That was my first big 
introduction. 

1385
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,600
No, I'm sorry. 
I, I, I Strangelove would have 

1386
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,480
been, but I was so young. 
I couldn't, I couldn't get all 

1387
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:39,400
the 60s references. 
But that was my first one. 

1388
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,120
I remember just laughing out 
loud at Sellers and that was the

1389
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:43,520
first Pink Panther film that I'd
seen. 

1390
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,280
But my so that's the that'll be 
my initial one. 

1391
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:51,520
But being there is so very 
subtly done because he is he's 

1392
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,800
under acting and he's and he's 
excellent at it. 

1393
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,080
And I truthfully think that he 
should have gotten the best 

1394
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:01,000
actor that year for the Oscars. 
So that would that would be that

1395
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,840
would be my favorite. 
Saying that, saying that, sorry,

1396
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,160
I I rewatched Kramer versus 
Kramer recently because Dustin 

1397
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,600
Hoffman picked up the Oscars set
of sellers. 

1398
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:15,840
Yeah, he puts in a blistering 
performance in Kramer versus 

1399
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:16,960
Kramer. 
Dustin Hoffman. 

1400
01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:21,120
Yes, it was, it was good and and
there's a lot of legacy. 

1401
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:27,760
There's a lot of legacy voting. 
For example, Dustin Hoffman put 

1402
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:33,040
in a great performance in 
Midnight Cowboy and he was good 

1403
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,800
and very sudden and he said, 
well, this one grossed a lot and

1404
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,120
it's and it's good enough and 
it's about time. 

1405
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,040
Not that it was a bad 
performance by any stretch of 

1406
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,360
the imagination, but it's just 
that it was sort of a crowning 

1407
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:43,480
moment. 
Yeah. 

1408
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:44,240
Yeah. 
Well, OK. 

1409
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,240
And it just so happened to 
coincide with Sellers. 

1410
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:49,840
Now, as far as cameos, I haven't
seen any of I haven't seen any 

1411
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,760
of Spike Milligan's starring 
roles per SE or Postman's knock 

1412
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:56,800
or what have you, but my brother
and I thought he was fantastic 

1413
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,760
in Three Musketeers. 
Oh, yes, absolutely. 

1414
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,000
Yes. 
To this day, to this day, my 

1415
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,320
brother and I will will say that
that is not the man. 

1416
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,240
I don't know this man. 
We, we we say that one. 

1417
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,640
We quote that endlessly ever 
since we've seen it. 

1418
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,640
So, but yeah, I would say being 
there would be my big, my big 

1419
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,800
favorite. 
And Speaking of acting, you 

1420
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,240
yourself get involved, don't 
you? 

1421
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:23,040
I do I do. 
I am involved with a group 

1422
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,800
called the Atlanta Radio Theatre
Company and we're going to be 

1423
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,280
the company itself is 
celebrating 40 years. 

1424
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,680
I've not been with it that long.
I, I'm somewhat of a, of a 

1425
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,360
latecomer and I've been there 
since 2007. 

1426
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,760
And so I did that. 
But I originally started doing 

1427
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,440
radio theater with a group 
called the Philco Radio Players 

1428
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:52,560
with the late Scott Lindquist. 
And he loved the fact that I was

1429
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:56,440
big into old time radio. 
And so therefore, if he said, 

1430
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,760
OK, you, you went ahead and do 
this. 

1431
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:04,080
And I knew who he was talking 
about right away because I grew 

1432
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:08,000
up appreciating The Shadow and a
lot of the older radio shows. 

1433
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,200
And in one case, I'm very proud 
to say I actually played my own 

1434
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,840
grandpa. 
So at some part of the time I'm 

1435
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,520
speaking like this and. 
I'm also speaking like the old 

1436
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:20,240
grandpa's will. 
So it was fun to do that on the 

1437
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:24,160
stage and one of the one of the 
weirder compliments I ever got 

1438
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,960
being black. 
I'm doing I'm on stage and we 

1439
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,680
did a two person Love and Abner.
Now. 

1440
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:31,800
Are you familiar with Love and 
Abner? 

1441
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,480
Not, not not, little Abner. 
No, Lum and Abner. 

1442
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,680
Lil Abner was the comic strip, 
which was also very good. 

1443
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,680
But Lum and Abner, imagine, 
weirdly enough, if you will, the

1444
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,320
white Amos and Andy, that's 
almost exactly what it is. 

1445
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,440
The difference is as opposed to 
22 black characters, you have 

1446
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:56,920
two hillbilly characters. 
And we did a two person Lum and 

1447
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,640
Abner script that he had 
written. 

1448
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,840
And I did, I did the various 
voices and what have you. 

1449
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,960
And we did it at his church. 
We came off the we came off the 

1450
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,080
stage and they I did not attend 
his church was his Unity Church 

1451
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:13,800
in a town called Gainesville. 
And they'd said someone had 

1452
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,080
said, who is that guy that was 
next to you? 

1453
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,560
He said, well, that's Brian. 
He said, well, he's, he's very 

1454
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,800
good to say. 
Yeah, it's it's very rare that 

1455
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,960
you find black people that are 
interested in old time radio. 

1456
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:29,040
And with absolutely no irony in 
her voice that I did not know 

1457
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,480
that he was black and she was 
looking dead at me. 

1458
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:38,440
And I said, now that's acting. 
But I've been I've been 

1459
01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:41,320
fascinated by voices ever since 
I was a little boy. 

1460
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:45,200
I I watched Bugs Bunny 
slavishly. 

1461
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,120
And one time one of the non bug 
Bunny cartoons had come on and 

1462
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:54,160
there was a cat that was 
pampered and spoiled by its 

1463
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,080
owners. 
And he had a but he had his own 

1464
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:01,240
Butler named Meadows who used to
torture horrendously. 

1465
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,320
And eventually Meadows gets fed 
up with it and writes note and 

1466
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,680
resigns and leaves and he cries 
out for him. 

1467
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,080
And I thought to myself, I can 
do that voice. 

1468
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,560
And so there's a point in the 
cartoon where he reads the note 

1469
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,560
and he says Meadows, meadows, 
Meadows. 

1470
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:18,720
And that's where I started doing
voices. 

1471
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:23,120
And it's right around time of 11
or 12 I started doing that. 

1472
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:27,200
Mel Mel Blanc. 
Yes, Mel Blanc and I, but I 

1473
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:32,400
would like to also and others 
his contract still that he would

1474
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,360
be the only person credited. 
But there are many, many people 

1475
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,680
that did voices for the Warner 
Brothers cartoon. 

1476
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,920
And not that take away from his 
genius. 

1477
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,240
He was he was brilliant to what 
he did. 

1478
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:45,000
He he did a lot of voices, but 
the one voice he could never do 

1479
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,520
was Emma Fudd. 
And there's only one or two 

1480
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,840
cartoons where he did Emmer 
Fudd, but art do Helmer Fudd was

1481
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:54,760
voiced by Arthur Q Bryan. 
And yeah, the if you listen to 

1482
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,200
there's, there's a later cartoon
after Arthur Bryan had died. 

1483
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,280
He could, he could not, he could
only approximate it. 

1484
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,440
It's, it's not, it's close, but 
not there. 

1485
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:11,080
But yes, I, I, I'm a big fan of 
a big fan of, of radio voices. 

1486
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:15,880
So of course I gravitated to 
this and the the the many, many 

1487
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:20,840
voices that sellers does and the
the the the select and wild few.

1488
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,280
That's a Milligan do. 
And it took me a while to 

1489
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,600
finally get goon literate where 
I could say, Oh yeah, that's 

1490
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,240
sellers doing that. 
That's Milligan doing that. 

1491
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:36,480
And oh, the to show how much I 
research, I dug for that this 

1492
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:41,400
record on February 1st, 1955, 
and it said the weather was 

1493
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,520
lending experienced a very cold,
wintry day characterized by 

1494
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,200
heavy snow, light snows, showers
and smoke. 

1495
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,240
So you know, what I thought of 
is that I thought that that's 

1496
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:56,520
almost winds like to variable. 
God, that is going the extra 

1497
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,360
mile for research that is 
looking at the weather. 

1498
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,880
Brian, it's been a it's been a 
wonderful hour and a half we've 

1499
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,200
spent together and really 
enjoyed talking to you today. 

1500
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,440
Definitely want to get you back.
So, so thank you so much and 

1501
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:12,360
thank you all for listening. 
Bye now. 

1502
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:43,760
Music.