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It's all alone. 
Yeah, Ringo and the Beatles. 

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Make well, where's the bezel? 
Give me M8. 

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U, double he's medium. 
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I'll let you in and then, right,
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Ready? 
He Loves Me. 

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He Loves Me. 
He Loves Me. 

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Hello and welcome to game pod. 
Very special episode. 

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This week, I am joined by 
Stephen cockroft. 

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Co-presenter of the fabulous 
podcast. 

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Nothing is real now. 
Steve, and I know that he was 

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quite keen on the goons. 
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this guesting on this podcast? 
You know, but I wasn't 100% sure

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he was there into the Beatles. 
I soon found out, he was okay. 

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And yeah, we conversation ensued
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the goons and the Beatles, and 
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if that's the right way of 
putting it. 

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So we had a lengthy conversation
and enjoyable conversation. 

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We enjoyed it. 
I hope you do too. 

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Here it is in my teens. 
I was a huge goons fan and I was

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the only person I knew sort of. 
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only person that listen to the 
guns, and I think I came to the 

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guns, because my mother had been
A fan. 

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She can't huge fan back in the 
day and it's, that's one of the 

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things that she and my father do
not have in common, my father 

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loathes, the guns could not 
could not abide the Gordon's 

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this kind of surreal sense of 
humor. 

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And I just remember, you know, 
Sellers and Milligan and seek 

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him. 
They would appear on talk shows 

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and Parkinson. 
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that that my mother said, you 
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and they were talking about the 
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And then my mother would explain
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been, and I don't know what, 
what year was that sort of the 

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final or the last gun show of 
all 72. 

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So I really remember my mother. 
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at that point, I vaguely 
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comment on the fact that, you 
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getting back together to do 
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And the first gun show, actually
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Napoleon's. 
No now yes, from a library, you 

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know, vinyl LP. 
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and I was so taken with the 
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even tell you what was on the 
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The Following episode was on the
other. 

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But I just that whatever it was,
it was not as good as Napoleon's

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plan. 
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which I think is slightly 
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Well, and I just, I suppose I 
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that someone would be saying, 
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you like a gorilla to which the 
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No, I don't think you have just 
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became a kind of sort of thing 
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the catchphrases and you know, 
I'm not going to do the voices. 

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voices but and I think it was 
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discovered that we had a great 
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Yeah. 
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Belfast in the 90s that is yes 
and because I saw you on Twitter

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with you were saying. 
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actually. 
I'm sorry. 

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Yes, it was and I bought. 
I bought those double cassette 

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episodes empty. 
So I just I just I still have a 

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collection of there was nothing 
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bring myself to throw them out. 
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me, listening to nothing is 
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the episode you did on, you 
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Look up. 
The number, look at the number, 

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I Yes, I mean, I always sort of 
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greenish, but it was only when I
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context of what was happening 
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And I, you know, Paul made some 
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that was his favorite session. 
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say, old lady Madonna or Hey, 
Jude or something. 

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What I can see that in the midst
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wrangles where they had 
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he and John, mmm, they're 
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basically. 
Doing, you know, the krunk's 

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basically, doing gun voices to 
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recapture or connect in some way
when they were, the Newark 

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Twins, when they were listening 
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And that, that sort of Teenage 
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Reach, but that's where they 
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When they felt, they needed to 
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comes completely out of the 
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any purpose. 
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tape that had been sitting on a 
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That's and I just think there is
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about it. 
The more as we were doing that 

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episode, I just thought that is 
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Image. 
These two guys are just have 

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drifted apart. 
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personal relationship is 
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And this is where they go to try
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whatever reason it just doesn't 
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of shared communal emotional 
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wasn't. 
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that it was the B-side to let it
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Yeah single was that that was 
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it? 
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the UK in America. 
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road, which is also. 
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But but yes it was it's a and 
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of Let It Be and you listen to 
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the single over on. 
You think what what is this? 

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are outside the UK who would 
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think anyone in the UK would 
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the central section, they're 
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at the connections and there's 
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So many are, I just wanted to 
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better-known connections and 
some of the more, some of the 

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more sort of obscure trivia, I 
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that, how did you want to kick 
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first thing that you want to 
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The ring, what's the entry 
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While I think I think The fact 
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Beatles fans know this, this, 
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narc Twins, and that, they took 
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Yeah, I mean, the redneck was 
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seek him and it was, and often 
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cockney, but usually a Yokai. 
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fan and there's a fire. 
Imagine, this is an apocryphal 

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tale where he comes running down
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And sort of says, did you hear 
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Did you hear that on the radio? 
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entire gun show for his aunt and
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imagine his Aunt Mimi was the 
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put up with a reenactment of the
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apocryphal. 
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You should for his 16th 
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He bought an Elvis Presley 
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Ang song. 
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because you've got that sort of 
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humor, wordplay, and ultimately 
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And I think it's just to put the
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guys, as teenagers growing up 
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everybody listened to was the 
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permeate out through the music 
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Or I was more audible influence 
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career. 
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overstate hyper base of the 
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We're on that generation. 
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famously. 
He wrote for the New York Times 

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Review of Books. 
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Yes. 
The only one he ever did. 

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Yes. 
In when was a September 73 for 

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the Goon show scripts and he 
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and gun shows first hit 16 when 
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Which is an interesting. 
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that to mean so that would have 
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Wouldn't it when he was 16? 
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put away childish things. 
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I think I think that's probably 
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it's alright it's a I suppose an
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You know, that there were a 
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fundamentally important things 
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childhood, it was the guns. 
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rock and roll. 
Mmm, and if we look at 56, yeah,

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it's interesting because I would
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Tell me, he grew up with Aunt 
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George Uncle George? 
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was a nice middle. 
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I'm assuming they had a 
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Yes, I think they would have had
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Yes, they did have a television.
Okay, well, was me me that sort 

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of slightly starchy matriarch, 
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that's to. 
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That's yes. 
Exactly. 

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Exactly. 
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middle-class upbringing and he 
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differently but it was a very 
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Bringing out, I suppose the 
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counter to that they were 
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They were irreverent. 
You know, spike is trying to 

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cram as many innuendos and 
off-color jokes in to the 

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scripts as he possibly could. 
I can't imagine that. 

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That Aunt Mimi was a fan at all.
Yeah, well I mentioned ITV 

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specifically, because I guess 
when John was still 15 but you 

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know in the early early 56 we 
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weekly president. 
Yes ITV and then swiftly 

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followed by show called Fred and
then son of Fred all directed by

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Richard. 
Lester, yes, I'd like to think 

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that, you know, the young Lennon
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his homework, or whatever, it 
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television to I to visit itvs To
watch Sellers and Milligan and 

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dustbins. 
You know, it's interesting 

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because I've never, I've never 
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comment where he's talked about 
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You know, he talked about the 
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he wrote the book review, but I 
UND the the running jumping 

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sounding still the glasses 
involvement there, but I've 

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never, that's an interesting 
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Yes, it's a nice image. 
Yeah, by the way, I just want to

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give credit where it's due of 
you are. 

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The you are the The Beatles 
expert of the two of us for 

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sure. 
But I, you know, I know quite a 

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bit and I wrote down a list of 
of what occurred to me is goon 

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and Beatles connections and then
I went to a couple of friends of

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mine. 
One is Mike Haskins. 

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Who I'll come back to towards 
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it's actually written. 
A book is due out very soon The 

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Beatles Liverpool and I'll talk 
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But I asked Mike, if he could 
throw some He's also a big goons

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fan and he supplied me with some
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And and also Andrew, Andrew 
hickey friend of mine. 

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He has the podcast very popular 
podcast, history of rock music 

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and 500 songs. 
Yes. 

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Yes, I'm a big fan. 
Okay, well, I was talking to him

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last night and I said, look, can
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And we I sort of ran through the
obvious stuff that I had, you 

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know. 
Yeah. 

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And I said, and he came up with 
a couple of really good. 

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Little little things for me to 
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Apparently was was played 
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Cinema in Liverpool in the late 
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When was it 59? 
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Beatles would go and watch it 
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Insert the cavern, which was a 
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in in the review of the Goon 
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Scripture says that he says 
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film without Harry S called The 
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still film. 
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it. 
It's a masterpiece of captures. 

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The Goon Spirit very well, and 
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Lester in that context as well. 
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huge fan of that film, you know,
I Vibe. 

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listening looking at the Beatles
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It's John and George are the 
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fans, but it's interesting to 
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of sitting watching and we 
watching that film. 

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And then what? 
Years later. 

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The cluster is, yeah, it's 
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it's amazing. 
It's amazing. 

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Series of circumstances that 
bring them together with George 

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Martin. 
Yes. 

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And I don't want to race too far
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that George Martin obviously is 
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I think it's Peter Sellers 
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Jack and the flying saucers and 
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And rate and reduce bestsellers 
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and yes, patrons of fear. 
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with Spike and he produced you 
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was again that was 56 and he 
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very good friends and Spike, of 
course, would release purple 

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aeroplane Produced by George 
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Yes. 
Yes, I'm somehow. 

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We only need your Submarine, 
Yellow Submarine, I think the 

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Beatles do this, I could do it. 
Better trouble. 

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Is they outnumber me? 
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middle age group. 
I've got it, if you can't beat 

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them, join them. 
We don't let me be her Yellow 

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Submarine, Yellow, Submarine, 
Yellow Submarine. 

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We don't really know your dream.
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applying upon the holy. 
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Fab Fab and it's those records, 
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primarily known as a comedy 
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You know, is known for that type
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working with sellers who's doing
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himself and doing Duets, and 
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editing skills and the tape 
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the multi-tracking and all of 
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was doing with Sellers and Over 
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Kwai, that record, that type of 
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in their career with sort of 
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the studio. 
Yes. 

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And George Martin, as I say, 
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with Spike in the, in the mid 
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April 62 Spike Getting married 

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again second. 
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and he surprisingly, I thought 
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to be his best man which which 
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actual wedding I believe was a 
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accounts, but if you look at the
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So George Martin's spikes. 
Best man, in late, April, 62 and

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about five weeks later, Martin 
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time y'all. 
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And I haven't, I must admit. 
I haven't realized it was quite 

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that close. 
I hadn't. 

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I had read somewhere that the 
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but I hadn't realized it was 
doubt that was the timeline. 

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Yeah. 
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out today and I'm sure there is 
you know, for tried a bit harder

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could have found out but 
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Bridge, on the River, Wye in 62 
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clip out the K from Kauai for is
rigid. 

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I was it would they use the word
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legal action so he had legal 
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62 as well. 
I'd love to know when that was 

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actually in 62. 
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actually produced. 
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before they started, the answer 
was here. 

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That was he and wants to deal 
with the Beatles and another 

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studio with her razor blade. 
Slicing the chaos Yeah, you'd 

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love to think of, you know, cuz 
it was Sally's. 

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It was Milligan. 
It was Jonathan, Miller Peter:. 

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You'd love to think they're sort
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corridor, or something like 
that, you know? 

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Yes, yes, yes. 
So I've got, I've got, I've 

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jotted down 10, but I would 
classes 10 things that anyone 

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with more than a passing 
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goons would know if you like, 
okay, and then these are 

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connections. 
So this is either Direct Didn't 

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show stroke Beetle connections 
or more more. 

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Obviously, it's, you know, it 
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and their connections with. 
Yeah, the boys. 

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So what, number one, obviously, 
the magic Christian for yes, 

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reasons. 
So we've got Ringo, we've got 

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Peter got spiked as well. 
We've got someone who looks like

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John it-it-it's. 
Not actually John though, is it 

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all? 
You're not actually not actually

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drawn or your coat? 
Can I ask you, dude? 

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Dude, like that, Phil, I love 
that film. 

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I love that film and I said that
are we did it? 

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We did an episode on Ringo's 
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much I liked that film on. 
I was virtually getting hit 

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Mill, but people say this is the
worst thing I've ever seen. 

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I think it's just such a 
fantastic collection of English.

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Sort of call Mike and character 
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gathered together. 
And I there's always sort of 

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business going on in the back of
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Hattie Jake's reading a sort of 
Nazi novel in the background, 

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just very unobtrusively and it 
that day. 

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I think it's a wonderful film. 
I remember saying if the first 

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time there was a season of sort 
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and saying when I was about 13 
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obsessed with who was in it and 
trying to spot people but good. 

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I'm glad I find someone that 
that loves it too. 

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Oh well I love it and it's not 
his best film by a pile. 

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Long chalk. 
Let's face it. 

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I'm talking stammers here. 
It possibly was Ringo's best 

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film. 
I was going to say, I think it's

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possibly well, I think maybe 
maybe that'll be the day but 

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it's certainly, it's early. 
It's his second, that's better 

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than. 
What is it? 

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Son of Dracula. 
Yes, it's all that. 

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That's, that's quite new, you 
know. 

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I still, I still. 
Like to see that come out on 

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DVD. 
But hey, I watch that with the 

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lads relatively recently. 
He was well tough going, no, but

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the magic Christian is, it's 
well since well late, last year,

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it's sort of come back into 
public Consciousness. 

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Be off the back of ya, get back,
of course, yes. 

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However, I have a friend who 
says, Peter Sellers was directly

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responsible for the breakup of 
The Beatles Because Ringo had to

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leave this the get back sections
to go and start filming the 

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magic Christian. 
And, you know, if they'd had 

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more time and had been under 
less pressure, you know, we'd 

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still have the Beatles today, 
and they be headlining Hyde 

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Park. 
That's it's all because I was 

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just mentioning, get back there.
Is that scene where Peter 

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Sellers appear? 
Yes, and it's excruciating. 

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Lee embarrassing. 
Mmm II had read the dialogue. 

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Without ever having seen the 
sort of the video footage, and 

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it seemed funny on the page, but
it was excreted sellers look so 

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uncomfortable, beginning from 
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sort of you think, given sellers
personality and his ability to 

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improvise and just just find the
comedy in any situation. 

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He just seems completely 
derailed by what is going on 

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around him. 
Well, I also wonder if that's 

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because he had to be himself. 
He wasn't playing a character. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Could be could be I read. 

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I'm not sure whether it was in a
seller's biography were. 

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That's a comment from his son 
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he's his father was slightly 
obsessed with Fame that the 

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Beatles had into the lab at the 
level of fair and that he was 

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sort of intrigued by that and 
curious about that and And you 

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wanted to be in that Circle, and
certainly sort of he and Ringo 

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were hanging out around that 
time and sort of it in advance 

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of the film. 
But you would think that Lenin 

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and he would get on, and would 
be able to kind of spark off 

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each other. 
I mean, Lennon is clearly strong

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out in that, and I just think 
sellers realizes. 

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Something's not right? 
This is unpredictable well going

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to be you know the power Dynamic
has shifted because if you think

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obviously though it made its 
later on in one of my other list

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my mini list, I have a there's 
that footage of sellers in 65 

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presenting The Beatles with 
Grammys. 

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Yeah, during the film, their 
onset, it Twickenham filming. 

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Is tweaking a note, it is. 
Cuz they're sitting there 

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sitting in the bar if you if you
know, help whether it's a sort 

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of yes, and somebody pulls a 
lever and they fall down and 

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there's a tiger and they're 
sitting it in front of that bar.

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Yeah, and sellers is presenting 
them on camera with the Grammys 

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and they seem quite not ordered 
by him, but quite respectful, 

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the little bit of leg pulling 
that a bit of joshing. 

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He is the star at that point. 
So so for all that they've had 

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all their success and they're 
filming their second movie. 

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Clearly he is still someone that
they look up to and Lenin in 

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particular the camera. 
I know that clip and the camera 

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kind of pounds along. 
I think it's heard of Paul Ringo

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and then it gets a job and John 
just had the biggest grin on his

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face, sort of a real genuine 
smile. 

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And then you get to George he's 
being quite kind of looking the 

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other way and a little bit being
like George. 

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But John, it seems genuinely 
thrilled. 

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Yeah, just to be there and to 
get the grandma award, I think. 

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Think some does here and they 
always thought it was ironic, 

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that he sort of says it's the 
grandma award and then hands it 

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all, you know, John's later. 
Comment great amazing music. 

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Yeah, that's true. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And welcome to the great working
on Studios where the boys, the 

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vehicle making their new film 
help. 

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And I am actually with the 
beetle now present them with 

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their Grandma Awards. 
Which they have one from America

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and they're delighted to be here
this afternoon to receive them. 

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And I had the singular honor, 
and I think we've been asked to 

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present them right there. 
Yes, you may great. 

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Thank you very much, Peter. 
It's a great pleasure for us to.

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I'm sure I'm more in here. 
Perhaps, you'd like to take one 

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also off. 
Thank you, allows you can see, 

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folks. 
These blocks is not empty, 

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Tanana to say the least, and 
it's nice to have a chance 

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really, isn't it? 
Sir, long. 

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Wha Longwell Dwight. 
What are they? 

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Back, I say I'm on my list Hills
of sort of more obvious, things,

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goons Beatles connections. 
I've got down here again 

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sticking with the theme, the 
Peter Sellers, White Album tape.

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Yes yes, thank heavens for that.
That, that was, that was the 

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source of most of the bootlegs 
that I own in the mid eighties 

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when suddenly suddenly CD bugs 
came along. 

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And so this is something that 
you know Ringo had given You 

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just tell us because they say 
he's hanging out with Ringo in a

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run 1968, which is sort of, 
maybe if not quite a full year 

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ahead of the magic Christian. 
And I say, is this sense at that

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time, that, that sellers is 
interested in the fame aspect of

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the Beatles and is sort of, I 
don't know what he was doing at 

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that time. 
In terms of his own career, his 

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movie career, but he seemed to 
just have an interest in the 

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beat Well, he was, he was he'd 
had his heart attacks, two or 

445
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,600
three years before the quality 
of the films that he was 

446
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,500
choosing was deteriorating 
slightly. 

447
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:30,000
But by 67 68 in 269. 
I mean, he made Casino Royale 

448
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,500
didn't in 67. 
Yes. 

449
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:36,900
Yes. 
The perhaps the most 60s of old 

450
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:38,800
60s for yeah? 
Yeah. 

451
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,200
I'm not necessarily in a good 
way. 

452
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:45,500
So yeah. 
He say he was hanging out with 

453
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:51,600
with Ringo and whenever Ringo 
famously walked off the sessions

454
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,200
of the for The White Album and 
went off on holiday. 

455
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,600
He went I think in stayed on 
Peter Sellers yacht, in the 

456
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,100
Mediterranean learned about 
octopuses making Gardens wrote a

457
00:29:02,108 --> 00:29:05,200
song, Mmm came back. 
So there's that sort of 

458
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,700
connection as well. 
He, you know, he Ringo runs off 

459
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:13,500
with Peter Sellers if you like 
to get away A from from the 

460
00:29:13,508 --> 00:29:14,300
Beatles. 
Mhm. 

461
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:19,100
And you said before, you said 
earlier, you thought that it 

462
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:24,600
would be John and George. 
Who would be more in thrall to 

463
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:28,100
sellers where as it turned out, 
it was Ringo really wasn't. 

464
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:29,200
It was. 
Yeah. 

465
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,900
It was Ringo that that seemed to
sort of pursue the friendship 

466
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:44,200
with Peter Sellers and 1968 is 
an interesting sort of In the 

467
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,300
Beatles / goons relationship 
because it's the beginning of 68

468
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,700
is when Spike Milligan is in the
studio, while they're recording 

469
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:57,400
a song and says, you know, can I
have that song for my for my 

470
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,000
charity album? 
So you've got that. 

471
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,300
And then by the end of the year,
Peter Sellers is hanging out in 

472
00:30:02,308 --> 00:30:05,300
the studio and Ringo is sort of 
quitting this actions to go on 

473
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:09,500
holiday with, you know, with 
Peter. 

474
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:14,800
So suddenly 68, you've got 
spiked And Peter Sellers in that

475
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,100
very much in their orbit at that
point. 

476
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:20,100
And yet, early 68 is when The 
Beetles are hanging out with the

477
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:26,700
Maharishi and sort of you would 
not necessarily put, you know, 

478
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:31,000
the goons and the Maharishi the 
other one. 

479
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,200
That's a it's a strange thing. 
And I do sometimes sort of think

480
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,400
well by the time they got to 
recording The White Album they 

481
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,400
were sort of on the rebound from
the Maharishi and again sellers 

482
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,800
Maybe the music gets simpler, it
gets less psychedelic, it gets 

483
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,600
out and more like the rock and 
roll into basics of this. 

484
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,500
Yeah, yeah. 
Back to Basics and who is in 

485
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:57,000
their orbit at that point in 68 
when they're doing that. 

486
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,400
Well, that would be Peter 
Sellers from the goons who was 

487
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,400
sort of fundamental to their 
teenage teenage influences as 

488
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,600
well. 
So maybe that's just it, maybe 

489
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,800
that's just a coincidence but 
know that. 

490
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,500
It's correct me if I'm wrong 
here. 

491
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:15,200
But On was of all of them. 
John was the one who was prone 

492
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,100
to looking back. 
Yeah. 

493
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:20,500
John would be writing songs 
about his mother and well, 

494
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:22,600
that's yeah, that's, that's a 
good point as well. 

495
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,900
Because, yes, John is looking 
back to that kind of teenage 

496
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:28,100
traumatic. 
Yeah, he needs about. 

497
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,500
And but, but yeah, it's as you 
say it's Ringo was the one that 

498
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:36,700
really strikes up the friendship
with Peter Sellers and then the 

499
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:41,300
part in Ringo's part in the 
magic, question is specifically 

500
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:43,400
written. 
That's right for him. 

501
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,900
So I think it's not, it's not in
the book, it sort of and I mean 

502
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:50,900
really I suppose what Ringo does
he moves through that film, just

503
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:54,000
watch out, he's basically at The
Observer, you know, he's he's 

504
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:58,100
he's not quite a straight man, 
but he's the person who's 

505
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:02,500
watching as sellers does his 
comic business in each of the 

506
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:06,900
law scenes and sketches Ringo is
his sort of a foil for him. 

507
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000
I mean, Ringo did say at the 
time they work, there were times

508
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,600
when he simply couldn't complete
I take because he was laughing 

509
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,000
so much that he find it, you 
know, he just trying to be a 

510
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,900
serious actor and take this very
seriously, but he just kept 

511
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:21,800
corpsing, because he couldn't 
keep straight face. 

512
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,600
And then, of course, once that 
happened, sellers laid up to it,

513
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,300
and it just got worse and worse.
And I had to do, you know, take 

514
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:33,100
after take, because Ringo Rango 
was laughing. 

515
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:37,700
It's I think if you know the 
scene with Spike or spike is 

516
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,000
required required to eat the 
parking ticket and the parking 

517
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,800
ticket and Ringo is in the Our 
during that Satan frantically, 

518
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,100
kind of marking and making 
faces. 

519
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:51,500
And and he said he was doing 
that because he was laughing so 

520
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:55,000
much and it's all happening in 
the background. 

521
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,400
And you think this is a great 
comic performance Ringo. 

522
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,400
He's not the center of 
attention, but he just there in 

523
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800
the background, but apparently 
he was like, literally. 

524
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,000
He was just trying not to laugh.
So, whatever. 

525
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,900
Whatever thing about the magic 
Christian film, we haven't 

526
00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:12,400
mentioned bad figure. 
Yes. 

527
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,300
Yes. 
Big fan of that. 

528
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,700
That's all. 
Yeah. 

529
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:19,500
Which, Which pull pull? 
Basically just gave away to 

530
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:21,500
them, didn't it? 
Yes. 

531
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,000
Yes. 
So come and get it to Paul goes 

532
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,500
into the studio, recording a 
demo complete, you know, are 

533
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,900
strums piano. 
Everything gives Badfinger the 

534
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:34,800
demo and they start working up 
their arrangement of and Paul 

535
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:40,500
says, no no, you just play it 
exactly the way I have recorded 

536
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:45,600
it and So, you know, becomes a 
becomes a hit single and that's 

537
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,600
a song that all know. 
He could have brought that into 

538
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,200
the into the sessions for for 
the Beatles, at any point, but I

539
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,800
often think, you know, was Paul 
just kind of saying, well, you 

540
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,600
know, guys, this is what you 
could have had, you know, it was

541
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,900
good enough and I think what 
would Abbey Road have sounded? 

542
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:08,300
Like if they drop Maxwell's, 
Silver Hammer and put come and 

543
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:10,699
get it all of it. 
Yeah that's that's that's a 

544
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:14,100
whole other. 
Other counterfactual, you have 

545
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:17,699
the, the maximum fans issuing 
fatwas against you. 

546
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:21,400
I'm already, I'm already, I'm 
already top of their head, like,

547
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,699
so it can get the worse, it can 
get no worse. 

548
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:29,000
I mean, we're the other thing 
with Ringo and sellers is the 

549
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,900
ring. 
A seller Soul Ringo his house 

550
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:31,900
Brookfield. 
Yeah. 

551
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,500
In 1968, but George did you know
that John tried to get some 

552
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:42,000
Rango? 
No, so in 1968, Silence agreed 

553
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,000
to sell Brookfield, is Heist to 
Ringo for 70,000 pounds, 

554
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:50,400
although I think sellers had 
probably spent something similar

555
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,100
to that renovating it. 
And I don't really know the 

556
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:58,500
house but I gather it's, you 
know, it's sort of 15th century 

557
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:02,800
it's, you know, pretty 
impressive and John Lennon is in

558
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:06,800
in the market for an impressive 
house because he's kind of 

559
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,000
taking up with Yoko and white 
and he offered sellers 150,000 

560
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:15,400
It's for it. 
But sellers honored his 

561
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,300
commitment to Ringo and sold it 
to him for 70,000, which is, 

562
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:24,100
which is uncharacteristically 
admirable cell as well. 

563
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:27,200
I right? 
Yes, it's not, it's not. 

564
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,200
I would have expected from what 
I know about Peter Sellers on 

565
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:38,200
his, from my own that, I Ringo 
then sold it to Stephen Stills 

566
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:40,700
in later on any two years later,
wasn't it? 

567
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,100
Yeah. 
Yeah, so I wasn't able to find 

568
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:45,900
out how much weather Ringo. 
Kind of turned a handsome profit

569
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:50,900
on that and I think I'm right in
saying, the only other story I 

570
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:55,200
know about Brooke fatals is, I 
think in the early 70s, Stephen 

571
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,100
Stills made the mistake of 
letting Ronnie would stay in the

572
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:01,100
house while he was. 
He went back to America and 

573
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:05,800
Ronnie drank everything that was
in the cellar which was very, 

574
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,200
very expensive vintage wine that
stills. 

575
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:12,100
Collected by think, you know, if
you're foolish enough to let 

576
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:16,900
Ronnie would have the key to 
your wine cellar, and only 

577
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:20,300
yourself to blame, isn't that 
later the basis of an episode of

578
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:23,900
black books? 
Yes, I think, that's right. 

579
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,300
I think you're right. 
That's right, I'd forgotten 

580
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:27,800
that. 
Yeah, I've gotten that. 

581
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:31,200
Yeah. 
The flexi discs, the Christmas 

582
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,300
flexi discs. 
Yes, that's what to talk about 

583
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,600
that are about very, very yeah. 
The flaxseed is, are very good 

584
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,700
nourish. 
I mean particularly I think the 

585
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:47,200
one in 1967 use the sort of 
Chris Christmas pantomime. 

586
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,600
Yeah matches matches that they 
you know what Jasper and That 

587
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,300
is, that is there is no plot, 
there are just multiple 

588
00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:00,400
characters coming in and out 
with strange voices and 

589
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:04,600
completely non sequiturs. 
And I mean, that could be a gun 

590
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,400
show script, I think. 
Yeah, it was around. 

591
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,000
It was, of course, it was a 67 
that they made Magical Mystery 

592
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,100
Tour. 
Yes. 

593
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:22,000
Now, there's a line in that. 
Spoken by John which Echoes a 

594
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,200
line from a gun show. 
And so in the Magical Mystery 

595
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,300
Tour of this, the bit where John
says Come With Me Now into that 

596
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:32,200
secret place where the eyes of 
man have never set foot. 

597
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,700
Yes, and there's a gun show 
called The Last Emperor from 

598
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:43,000
1955 when the line is the tomb 
of Genghis Khan with its Untold 

599
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Treasures remains undiscovered. 
He lies buried in some Mongol 

600
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:50,000
Hillside where no human eye has 
ever set foot. 

601
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:52,600
That's a direct lift more or 
less. 

602
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:57,400
Yeah, yeah. 
So around this time Lennon 

603
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,900
obviously he's had his books 
published as well and you know, 

604
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:05,200
things like the daily howl. 
And yeah, the the daily Hall is 

605
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,000
a I'm Barry. 
I'm not a fan of the daily Heil.

606
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,600
And I sort of think there must 
have been a million teenagers 

607
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:18,900
writing, that kind of stuff, and
it's not particularly funny. 

608
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,200
And if he hadn't gone on to be 
John Lennon, That's not 

609
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,800
something, anybody would be 
interested in reading or would 

610
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,300
have kept. 
Or, you know, if you find out in

611
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:35,200
a junk shop that some child had 
written in the 50s, you know, 

612
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,400
you wouldn't give it a second 
glance and I think it's more a 

613
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,200
record of the fact that the 
goons were influencing him. 

614
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:48,800
But I don't think it has much 
intrinsic worth but it's sort of

615
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,400
become elevated and and John 
elevates it, you know, he and he

616
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,900
links it very specifically, he 
talks about It. 

617
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,400
One of my earliest sort of 
things that I wrote was very 

618
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:06,100
influenced by by the goons, and 
I think the books that come out 

619
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:12,600
are, you know, so we say it's a 
homage to the guns rather than 

620
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:18,100
saying he's just lifted Spike 
Milligan's stick wholesale, you 

621
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:23,400
know, I'm not a big fan, I've 
saved all of the books II kind 

622
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,600
of think. 
Well, Spike Milligan, does it so

623
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:30,300
much better? 
And, you know, John is always, I

624
00:39:30,308 --> 00:39:34,700
think very self-conscious about 
those books that well, he gets 

625
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:36,000
it gets. 
What does it is? 

626
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,700
It, and one of the flexi discs, 
he gets the gentle ribbing, from

627
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:43,700
the the others about. 
Yes, they, yes, they were George

628
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:45,800
in particular area. 
And I mean, and there's that 

629
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,300
there's a sort of a clip where 
George actually tears up the 

630
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:56,800
book, you know, so I think, I 
think they do, you know, no I do

631
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,100
think the other Beatles don't 
take it very seriously, but it's

632
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:10,000
very much, you know, 999 long 
and it's very Spike and I don't 

633
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,300
Really think it deserves to be 
put on the same level as Spike 

634
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,100
because it's quite derivative. 
You know, I think Spike spike to

635
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,900
me Spike Milligan and his 
writing sort of just emerges out

636
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:24,700
of nowhere. 
Really mean, you've got Leo and 

637
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:27,700
you've got that kind of nonsense
first, but bike, just elevates 

638
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:31,700
it to a completely different. 
I can see it's very dated and I 

639
00:40:31,707 --> 00:40:34,500
could see the people like the 
match Christian, you know, that 

640
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:38,600
people these days, look at it 
and don't really connect with 

641
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,900
it. 
But I think if it hit, I think 

642
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:43,500
if Spike. 
Writings at you at a particular 

643
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:46,000
point, you know, when your kind 
of 13 or you that's going to 

644
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,000
slightly pretentious teenager 
and sort of slightly angsty. 

645
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,500
And I think if it hits you there
and it gets you, it will it will

646
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:56,500
stick with you. 
Well, then obviously, then 

647
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,100
brings us on to Milligan 
claiming that the lyrics of Lucy

648
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:05,900
in the Sky, with Diamonds was 
inspired by The goons. 

649
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:08,400
Yeah. 
Do you know about this? 

650
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,300
I'll show you know, about this. 
So not LSD and no, no based on 

651
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:16,300
this is the thing, right? 
He says Billy Milligan had a 

652
00:41:16,308 --> 00:41:24,400
tendency to exaggerate the 
resident but he he said that he 

653
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,600
said we used to talk about 
plasticine ties in the Goon show

654
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,400
and this crept up and Lucy as 
plasticine Porter's with Looking

655
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,100
Glass ties. 
Yeah. 

656
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,500
There's no mention of plasticine
ties at all in any goon show. 

657
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:43,300
Well, I say that not in any that
exist that have survived, you 

658
00:41:43,308 --> 00:41:46,100
know, I'm not sure about the 
early delicious, there is a gun 

659
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:50,300
show called The plasticine Man. 
Without any doubt, these body 

660
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:54,500
lateral, Man of the better team 
period who and beautifully 

661
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:57,600
preserved, considering his six 
thousand years old. 

662
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:03,400
So well-preserved, he's still 
alive. 

663
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,600
What's this? 
What's this ancient weapon? 

664
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,400
He's holding? 
That's my saxophone. 

665
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,800
Mm, I'm a rock and roll. 
Six of the real dumb guy in 

666
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,900
Iraq, salmon, and he is handled 
over here. 

667
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,200
I'm crazy, man, crazy. 
I'm cool. 

668
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,200
Only we understood his strange, 
prehistoric language a whole 

669
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:31,000
Right? 
So this is this is this, right? 

670
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,100
This is Robin Milligan was 
sitting in on some of the 

671
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:37,500
sergeant pepper, sessions know, 
I don't know. 

672
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:43,100
I have to say, I have I've never
I've never heard that that's 

673
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,700
possible because that was a, 
that was a period. 

674
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:50,800
When people were just coming and
going constantly during those 

675
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:54,000
sessions, I mean, the one that 
I'm aware of is across the 

676
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,600
universe, but that was early 68.
So I don't know that he was 

677
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,700
They're at the time. 
I'd love to because it's the 

678
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:06,100
story that David Crosby was 
therefore, they are the life. 

679
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,400
Yes, I'd love it to need spike. 
It out. 

680
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:13,600
Spike was there are sitting in a
corner helping John finish off 

681
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,300
the lyrics to. 
I'm sure we observed by could 

682
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:20,000
have mentioned that if that 
adhere the plasticine borders 

683
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,900
thing, seems a little tenuous. 
But I mean, I think certainly, 

684
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,500
you know, if you're looking for 
a You can ask there are kits, 

685
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:34,000
probably, I Am, The Walrus is 
probably where you would go 

686
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,500
where it just kind of tumbles 
out and it is this sort of 

687
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:41,800
nonsense. 
Yes, nonsensical freeform verse,

688
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:45,800
that's kind of pouring out of 
Lenin and that's probably I 

689
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,600
think as close as you get and 
it's close as land and gets to 

690
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,900
transferring, what he's written 
in the books into it into kind 

691
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:55,800
of, it's more Lewis Carroll's in
it. 

692
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,600
Yeah but even then yes, it kind 
of reaches back. 

693
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,200
Back even further. 
I think to Lewis Carroll. 

694
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,200
And it's interesting that that's
really the point at which light 

695
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,300
on stops that. 
Hmm. 

696
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:09,900
You know, he does, I Am, The 
Walrus was a little bit, I 

697
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:13,300
suppose of that in Across the 
Universe of the beginning of 68.

698
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:20,500
And then he sort of abandons, 
those sort of dance, dance, 

699
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:23,800
Leeward images, stop stop 
appearing in the song. 

700
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,000
So it's almost as if he's taken 
it as far as he can go, and then

701
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,600
just walks away from it and it 
says, Something about him and 

702
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,900
Yoko and Shoal and then it 
Garden. 

703
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:34,800
Then yeah, then it all becomes 
It. 

704
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,400
All becomes white him. 
The artist is the art and the is

705
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,500
the artist and I mean it's 
interesting, that's probably a 

706
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:42,100
theory. 
I would have thought that Spike 

707
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,700
might have subscribed to that. 
You know, it's the life of the 

708
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:51,300
artist is worth examining and 
you sort of you're living your 

709
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:56,400
art, you know, Spike strikes me 
I don't pretend to know a lot 

710
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,600
about spikes. 
Demons and and sort of his 

711
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,400
approach to things, but it does 
strike me that perhaps he was 

712
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:08,200
sort of similarly minded that 
certainly took. 

713
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,300
Lennon took what he was doing 
very seriously, and I think 

714
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:14,500
Spike probably did as well, but 
he, you know, this idea that 

715
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,300
Leonard has that, you know, I 
can't decide if I'm a genius or 

716
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:19,100
an idiot. 
Yeah, yeah. 

717
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,800
And you kind of think you could 
see with spiked with his kind of

718
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,800
mood swings and he's sort of 
mental health issues, that 

719
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,200
that's the kind of toing and 
froing. 

720
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,500
You know, one day you think 
you're the genius and the next 

721
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:36,600
you're sort of consumed by self 
died and Landon was quite open 

722
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,500
about that. 
But particularly sort of late 

723
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:45,900
60s, early, 70s. 
And one of the things after stop

724
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:49,400
Spike died and there was an 
estate sale, one of the things 

725
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,100
that went up on sale was a book 
that Lenin had given Spike and 

726
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:57,200
it was a copy of Arthur Jan Ops 
Primal scream. 

727
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,800
Mmm. 
So, So Lennon sort of obviously 

728
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:04,500
got this book was he was sent a 
copy of the book and here at it,

729
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:08,000
obviously meant a lot to him, he
embarked on and he sent a copy 

730
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,200
to spike. 
It's interesting because that 

731
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,400
would have been with other 
women. 

732
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,700
The Primal scream, would being 
69, 70, 68, 69, 70 are only 7K 

733
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:19,300
because I want to just mention 
that Spike. 

734
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,100
When we talk about spike in 
general, you could say that he's

735
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,800
quite him big. 
Quite thin skinned quite said 

736
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,200
very sensitive. 
Very sensitive. 

737
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:36,000
Going in many ways, fiercely 
outspoken, but also very 

738
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,300
insecure in a lot of ways I 
think up. 

739
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:44,700
And yeah, and he was quoted as 
saying of Lenin and that he and 

740
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:46,400
Lennon used to talk a lot about 
comedy. 

741
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:49,900
He said he was a gun show freak,
it all stopped. 

742
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:52,400
When he married Yoko Ono, 
everything stopped. 

743
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:58,300
You never asked for me again. 
Kind of like lies that soon as 

744
00:46:58,300 --> 00:46:59,500
John. 
Mary yoga that was it. 

745
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:02,500
He never spoke to spark again 
but the book gives the lie to 

746
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:05,600
that, doesn't it? 
Well, certainly he certainly 

747
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,500
sounds from the book so it would
be interesting to know if they 

748
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:13,700
spoke about that, but I think 
that that is something that 

749
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:20,900
other people comment on that 
when Yoko arrived sort of by 68,

750
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:28,300
69 her sort of arrival, 
basically, excluded everything 

751
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:29,800
else. 
So everything else that went 

752
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:37,100
before, Was sort of pre Yoko and
there's a post your coat and but

753
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:42,300
interestingly, you say Lennon 
wrote the wrote a book review of

754
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:48,100
the Goon show scripts and in 
1977, I think for his birthday. 

755
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:52,800
So he'd been 37 Yoko, gave him a
set of good and choke. 

756
00:47:52,800 --> 00:48:00,600
That's right tapes and I think, 
by that stage, he had started to

757
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,000
Reconnect. 
You know, he writes to his Aunt.

758
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Mimi and says sent me my school 
tie that I had when I was a 

759
00:48:07,207 --> 00:48:09,300
teenager when you can see 
pictures of him wearing this, 

760
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:14,300
and he gets all of her biscuits 
sent to him from England and 

761
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:17,600
he's watching Fawlty Towers and 
he's watching Monty Python and 

762
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,400
he sort of reconnecting with 
that. 

763
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,900
But I think certainly that 
initial let's say five year 

764
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:27,500
period, when he and Yoko get 
together, is a kind of scorched 

765
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,100
Earth. 
Mmm-hmm policy with everything. 

766
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:31,900
Everything that went Aunt and 
before. 

767
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:33,700
But that's interesting. 
I it would be fascinating to 

768
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:35,300
find out. 
I must try and find out. 

769
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,300
If he in Spike actually actually
spoke Ryan 1970. 

770
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:43,100
I mean, you know if you were 
Spike Milligan and somebody sent

771
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:47,200
you a book about how to correct 
her mental health problems you 

772
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,400
know throughout not the most 
tactful it's probably meant well

773
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:54,500
yeah I'd probably suggest 
everybody knew. 

774
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,600
You don't be a disaster address 
book out and just sending it to 

775
00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:00,800
our Nene as well. 
Imagine you have, yes. 

776
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,300
But it is that thing where they 
the goons are we were talking 

777
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:09,900
about the guns, but essentially 
it's Milligan and seller course 

778
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:10,400
it is. 
Yeah. 

779
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,500
And they sort of spiral in and 
out of the lives and the orbit 

780
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,300
of individual Beatles. 
So, you know, you got Ringo and 

781
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:27,400
sellers in 68, 69, and but, and 
you got Spike Milligan and 68 

782
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,300
and he and land on are 
connecting. 

783
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:32,400
And then what by By the early 
70s. 

784
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:38,000
It's George Harrison, and Peter 
Sellers and Spike Milligan and 

785
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,600
there are sort of all hanging 
out of George's. 

786
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,300
I said far apart and Joe, you 
know, Peter Sellers is taken to 

787
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:51,900
wearing caftans ordinary jackets
and is gone quite quite Indian 

788
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:56,000
in his, his approach to things 
and he seems to be sort of 

789
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,900
taking that up from from George.
Was he little late to that 

790
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:03,300
party. 
The cells, when he starts. 

791
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,500
Mean, I've seen pictures of 
sellers in those sort of long, 

792
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:10,200
Indian jackets, and things in 
the early 70s. 

793
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,300
And he was, he was hanging out 
with George and with Ravi 

794
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:20,000
Shankar, mmm, and sort of 
meditating and doing what my 

795
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,200
understanding is. 
He had a falling out with Ravi 

796
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,600
Shankar that he asks Ravi 
Shankar, would he come? 

797
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:31,200
And, you know, give a recital. 
For sellers at a party. 

798
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,000
He was hoping for some friends 
and Ravi Shankar said, yes, that

799
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:41,700
will cost you and quoted him. 
Some Au 3, where I sellers was 

800
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:46,300
hoping just obviously that Ivy 
would turn up, you know, give 

801
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:49,000
them a few tunes and that would 
be that. 

802
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,200
But Ravi much like, Peter 
Sellers. 

803
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,100
I think, was the man that knew 
the value of a dollar. 

804
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:56,700
Oh, you know, he and I might 
mention, sorry, am I imagining 

805
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:58,500
it? 
My imagining this completely. 

806
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,200
She works in a photograph of 
George, Harrison Peter Sellers 

807
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:09,900
and Ravi Shankar at Disneyland. 
Is that is that is that ringing 

808
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:12,200
a bell with me? 
Or did we have the same fever 

809
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,400
dream? 
Perhaps you would like to it? 

810
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,500
Perhaps it wasn't perhaps. 
It was George as high as George 

811
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:22,100
Soros was a bit like this deal 
and I think we just sorry I will

812
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,500
quickly just look it up because 
otherwise you're gonna have to 

813
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:29,200
yeah otherwise it will bug me. 
I'd really like to see that 

814
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,000
photograph. 
Disney. 

815
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,000
I'm just going to send this to 
you. 

816
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:44,300
You can just send that to you. 
Yeah, that's, that's a 

817
00:51:44,308 --> 00:51:48,300
photograph taken. 
That's a photograph taken in 

818
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:52,700
1974. 
That is Georges 1974. 

819
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,000
U.s. trip at the foot of the 
steps, but I'm looking at all. 

820
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,400
Right? 
Yeah, it's not that's not my 

821
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,700
line is it that's not, that's 
not Disneyland. 

822
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:09,700
But I'm looking something else 
up here and I just typed enjoy. 

823
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:11,200
Charleston. 
And it's a George at the 

824
00:52:11,207 --> 00:52:14,200
happiest place on Earth. 
This is a photograph of George. 

825
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:18,600
Eric idle Derek, Taylor's wife 
and kids in this Zealand. 

826
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,300
And then it says, from what? 
I understand George, Peter 

827
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:24,900
Sellers, Ravi Shankar and Eric 
idle all went to Disneyland in 

828
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:32,200
1977, what a sight that must 
have been So well, it's insane. 

829
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:34,300
Mmm. 
But that, yeah, that would be, 

830
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:41,600
yeah, you'd like to be queuing 
up behind them or not, maybe, or

831
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:51,700
not, or not, for the concert. 
What became the concert for 

832
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:53,500
Bangladesh. 
Oh, right. 

833
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,600
So the original idea was Ravi 
Shankar went to George and said 

834
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,100
look you know, We organize 
something and I'm thinking of 

835
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:03,200
giving a concert and, you know, 
could you come along do 

836
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,800
something? 
It could be a compound. 

837
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,300
Peter Sellers has agreed to come
along and be the compound. 

838
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:13,700
I'm not quite sure what happened
to Peter Sellers, why he didn't 

839
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:18,600
sort of make it onto the stage, 
but the original idea had been 

840
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,700
that he would sort of compare 
something. 

841
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:25,500
He had a habit, even eat. 
Sorry, he had a habit, certainly

842
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:29,600
in a glass of decade of his life
of Agreeing to do things. 

843
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:34,200
And then pulling out at the last
minute, right changing his mind,

844
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,800
just on concert for Bangladesh. 
Yeah. 

845
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,200
Is there any truth that could 
Spike and George were good? 

846
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:46,600
Friends, is there any truth that
George gave Spike? 

847
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:53,500
The Stratocaster that he played,
he cares, what he did, right? 

848
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:56,400
And that he did, and that guitar
has disappeared. 

849
00:53:57,900 --> 00:53:59,600
No one, no one there knows where
it is. 

850
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:05,300
So, apparently I've seen a 
photograph and I would say this 

851
00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:10,300
is probably late 73 or early 
Sunday for judging by George's 

852
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:13,000
harm. 
The state of Georgia's parameter

853
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:19,000
is always a good, a good metric 
spike is at Friar Park. 

854
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:23,000
In it, in a sort of, in the 
studio, is sort of jam session 

855
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,400
that's going on. 
In George's on guitar spike is 

856
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,300
on piano, and Peter Sellers is 
on drums. 

857
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,100
Wow, because am I right? 
In saying, that, Peter Sellers 

858
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:34,900
sort of started as a drum? 
No. 

859
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:37,300
Yes, he was summer early. 
He was a good drummer. 

860
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:40,300
Yeah, yeah. 
So so he is there in the 

861
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:42,700
student. 
So it's like a one Beetle to 

862
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:48,500
guns and they're kind of playing
and I kind of think is that was 

863
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:52,200
not recorded is Somewhere in the
house and estate archive. 

864
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,000
That there's, there's a tape. 
I mean, it's probably like all 

865
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,100
these things. 
It's much better on the page 

866
00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:59,500
than to actually. 
Wow, listen to it. 

867
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,700
Because salads salad, famously 
was into his gadgets and he used

868
00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:07,600
to film everything and record 
everything he could and well, it

869
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,800
take. 
But but but then we do know that

870
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,100
in towards the end of his life, 
he he threw a lot of his 

871
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:18,500
personal stuff onto a large 
bonfire and it has lost 

872
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,100
unfortunately. 
So sadly. 

873
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:25,300
All I would, I would, I would 
love to see George Spike and 

874
00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:28,200
Peter Sellers jamming in Friar 
Park in the studio. 

875
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,200
So despite the story is that 
Spike and said he would like to 

876
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,400
play move from keyboards to the 
guitar. 

877
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,100
So he and George kind of swap 
places and George has talked 

878
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:44,800
about this and he said, I don't 
have a lot of straps. 

879
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,400
There was one I gave to spike 
Milligan. 

880
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,500
He was at my house one day with 
Peter Sellers, he do was play. 

881
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:52,000
Draw, the spike was playing the 
piano and I was playing guitar 

882
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,500
Spike. 
Good off the piano and wanted to

883
00:55:53,508 --> 00:55:55,500
play the guitar. 
I plugged him into this 

884
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:59,200
Stratford a little champ 
amplifier and he said I haven't 

885
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,300
played for 30 years, he just 
picked it up and it sounded like

886
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:05,200
Django Reinhardt or something, 
and I thought, well, that's 

887
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,300
good. 
So when he left, I put it in the

888
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:12,100
case, put it and the champ in 
Peter Sellers Boot and told him,

889
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,600
when you drop Spike off, give 
him this. 

890
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,100
That was the guitar that I 
played it the concert for 

891
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:19,500
Bangladesh, so it's a sort of 
stripped back. 

892
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:25,100
The paint work has been stripped
back and the, the guitar just 

893
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:28,000
disappeared. 
It didn't turn up in the estate 

894
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,400
sale. 
They didn't turn up as part of 

895
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:36,000
spikes, M&M's actions and that 
not guitar would be worth a 

896
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:38,700
fortune. 
And you think, did that did 

897
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:42,300
Spike, just give it away, did it
just end up in the local charity

898
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:44,300
shop? 
Did Peter keep it in the boot of

899
00:56:44,308 --> 00:56:48,500
the car? 
You know, that's was Peter 

900
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:52,200
thinking, probably worth Over to
I'll, I'll hang onto that. 

901
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,900
So yeah, this is when I wouldn't
put it past that, as I wouldn't 

902
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:56,600
put it past sellers to be a 
little bit resentful. 

903
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,000
Maybe. 
Well, yeah, I haven't that. 

904
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:04,500
And I think it's, it's, it's 
such, it's it's so telling of 

905
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:08,300
Georgia's character as well, you
know, because, you know, George 

906
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:11,300
is the one that everybody says, 
you know, he was, you know, 

907
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,400
like, like the dollar as well, 
you know, he was, but yet he's 

908
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,100
just, you know, on a complete 
with him. 

909
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:20,100
There you go. 
There's a, there's a fan of Even

910
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:22,200
without the George Harrison 
connection, that's a valuable 

911
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,100
piece of equipment, with the 
George Harrison connection and 

912
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:29,000
with it being played at such a 
high profile event. 

913
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:32,200
Yes, it would be, it would be 
worth hundreds of thousands of 

914
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,600
pounds if you if you could find 
it. 

915
00:57:33,607 --> 00:57:36,900
So you should you should put out
a request on your podcast to see

916
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:42,500
if you can track down what 
happened to so that that that 

917
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:45,400
guitar answers on a postcard 
George and Spike, sort of 

918
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,700
famously. 
You know, we're very tight at 

919
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:51,500
that point and then they sort of
drifted apart and if you seen 

920
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:54,700
it, you know, the letter that 
Spike wrote to George, I do 

921
00:57:54,900 --> 00:58:00,400
yesterday in the eighties. 
Sort of say, you know, if you're

922
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,200
about how to use a phone, it's a
bit. 

923
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,400
Of course, if you're extremely 
rich, you don't have to use the 

924
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,000
phone, but the funeral's at 
golders Green, you'll recognize 

925
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,000
me I'm dead. 
Don't don't send them are sent 

926
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,000
money, so he was a little bit. 
Mmm. 

927
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,100
I was gonna say spiky but that 
would be a terrible terrible 

928
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:20,800
pun, but my other George Harris.
So that's that's another example

929
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:26,700
of Spike being quite thin skin. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 

930
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:29,500
Yeah yeah. 
Am I old my Lord Spike goons 

931
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:32,700
connection is the liner notes 
for the Traveling Wilburys album

932
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,300
which were written by huge 
abdomen. 

933
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:39,700
Ah, mmm. 
And the first time I ever heard 

934
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:42,400
that joke, I think was on a good
show. 

935
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:44,700
I'm Sure. 
Yes, that's a good. 

936
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:47,700
That's it is is and you think 
how did that get past the 

937
00:58:47,707 --> 00:58:50,900
sensor? 
But my name is Jim didn't 

938
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:53,600
Captain huge Anton sticking with
Milligan? 

939
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,200
Yeah, it could we haven't really
talked too much about Paul 

940
00:58:57,300 --> 00:58:59,200
wanted to talk a little bit 
about poll now. 

941
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,000
Nelligan partly inspired Ebony 
and Ivory. 

942
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,500
I did this. 
I have not heard. 

943
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:09,100
This is new to me. 
So okay. 

944
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:15,200
All right. 
So apparently, So spikes. 

945
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:18,800
Doing a sketch on television. 
I'm not sure. 

946
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:25,200
It must probably was not sure, 
Q8 Q 9 not sure which show it 

947
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:31,400
was, where he's playing a 
segregated piano in which the 

948
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,000
White and The Black Keys were 
kept apart, okay? 

949
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:38,900
And and his character spike is 
character says or sings like 

950
00:59:38,900 --> 00:59:42,600
notes, white notes and you need 
to play the two to make Harmony 

951
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,200
folks. 
Okay. 

952
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:50,200
And apparently look at me, was 
at least partly inspired to 

953
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,200
write Ebony and Ivory off the 
back of that. 

954
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:56,200
I think that's very credible. 
Mmm. 

955
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,200
Yeah, II think that is credible.
Well, apparently he makes it 

956
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,600
apparently. 
McCartney's gone on record to 

957
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:09,600
say that, but, okay, I do not 
not, not inspired by, you know, 

958
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,800
some of some of the slightly 
less Politically correct things 

959
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,700
that spike said and did on Q8. 
No that's true. 

960
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:21,300
This is the two sides of the 
Milligan coin. 

961
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:24,300
But well I had not heard that. 
That's that's a new. 

962
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,700
It's a new Beatles related fact 
for me I'm going to write that 

963
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:29,800
time. 
It might be complete. 

964
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:32,100
Poppycock. 
I'd like I'd like to. 

965
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:33,900
I'd like to think it's true well
to think it's. 

966
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:37,700
I also like the fact that George
Martin produced A banana, a 

967
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:40,900
penny and I are very yeah we're 
back to that. 

968
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:46,200
Yeah, can actually yeah. 
Also with regards to Paul he at.

969
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,800
So do you know do you know about
the Goon? 

970
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:57,100
The Goon recording all the the 
spike and Peter in the 50s did a

971
01:00:57,100 --> 01:01:02,000
version of Unchained Melody. 
Yes, I've heard that I've heard 

972
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:07,200
that and with dance with me, 
Henry as the B-side, but it was 

973
01:01:07,207 --> 01:01:10,600
never released because the 
writers of Unchained Melody or 

974
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:14,800
wouldn't give them a clearance. 
They certainly thought it was it

975
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,700
was very and disrespectful. 
Hmm. 

976
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,100
But then fast forward about what
40 years. 

977
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:25,800
Who owns the rights to Unchained
Melody, mr. 

978
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,600
Paul McCartney. 
And I and here, Allows it to 

979
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,100
finally be released in the mid 
nineties. 

980
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:35,000
I think, right? 
Yeah, because I have, I have 

981
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,000
heard that but again, I didn't 
that there's the stump me with 

982
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,600
to Beatles facts that I did not 
know. 

983
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,200
The self is another obvious 
goons Beatles connection, which 

984
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:50,000
we haven't touched on yet Peter 
Sellers Doing Hard, Day's Night.

985
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:57,700
Yes, big fan, big fan of that. 
So again, you got that. 

986
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:02,600
Connection back, you know, 
George Martin has been working 

987
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,300
with Peter Sellers. 
Then he's working with the 

988
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:06,300
Beatles and then sellers, I 
don't know. 

989
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:10,400
He's, he satirizing The Beatles.
I don't think it's anything 

990
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:14,100
could have directed at the 
Beatles, but that is very funny.

991
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:19,800
I mean, I do remember seeing 
that somewhere in the early 70s 

992
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,000
stop. 
That must have been on 

993
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,100
television that clip, not the 
whole thing. 

994
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:28,200
The whole that's from the sort 
of sort of this, the music of 

995
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,700
land on Umi car. 
Another Granada show the Granada

996
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:34,300
show. 
But I mean I certainly didn't 

997
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:38,700
see that I think until channel 
for I think put that on some 

998
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:41,000
point. 
Hmm, not long after it started 

999
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,300
but I definitely had sort of saw
the clip of sellers, Richard. 

1000
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:52,800
The Third And I remember buying 
a CD, which Had A Hard Day's 

1001
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:58,400
Night, she loves you and Can't 
Buy Me, Love by Sellers, and she

1002
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,200
loves you as doing the 
characters. 

1003
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:05,000
Dr. Strangelove your think, said
to, you have lost your love. 

1004
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:11,000
Well, I saw her yesterday. 
It is you that you're seeking 

1005
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,800
of, and she is Tara to me, ever 
to see. 

1006
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:19,900
She says she loves you Yeah. 
Yeah, she loves you. 

1007
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
She loves you. 

1008
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:27,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Yes. 

1009
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:29,500
That's what I thought. 
Yeah. 

1010
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:32,800
And I put this CD on, I remember
bring it home because I'm a huge

1011
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,000
fan of dr. 
Strangelove and it's a different

1012
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,100
version. 
It's called The twits version. 

1013
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,400
Oh yeah. 
And yeah, just to upper-class 

1014
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:47,300
20-year. 
Yeah, you know, sort of In the 

1015
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:51,300
voices and so, it's a dialogue. 
So you think you've lost your 

1016
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:55,600
love, you know, while I saw her 
yesterday, and I've never heard 

1017
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,300
that before that, that must have
been sort of late 80s. 

1018
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:00,500
Yeah, well, he did a couple of 
versions of she loves you as 

1019
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:02,500
with. 
Yeah, Strangelove and the upper 

1020
01:04:02,500 --> 01:04:08,400
class twit voice that he did on 
the Peter and Sophia LP as well.

1021
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,300
I am not, I had not heard that. 
I had not heard that. 

1022
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:16,600
But again, the beat you think 
the Beatles must have been very 

1023
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:22,300
happy to have, you know, you're 
listening to the goons suddenly 

1024
01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:24,500
you're working with the guns. 
Producer, you're being directed 

1025
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:27,900
by the guns, you know, by dick 
glass or days doing your film 

1026
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:30,800
and then suddenly one of the 
guns is covering covering your 

1027
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,000
material. 
You know, that's that's that's 

1028
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,900
incredible. 
Sort of position to be at yes 

1029
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:44,100
and one of your Heroes is 
suddenly you know I can 

1030
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:47,200
understand why Lennon is sort of
grinning as Peter Sellers as 

1031
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,800
handing in the granny granny 
granny. 

1032
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:52,700
Well that's another thing 
actually just on that because 

1033
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:54,800
that was on the set of help. 
Now there was a rumor. 

1034
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,300
Wasn't there was talk with Peter
Sellers actually appearing in 

1035
01:04:57,300 --> 01:05:01,600
help one point. 
And yes, I'm not I'm not clear 

1036
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,900
whether he was going to appear 
on the Beatles version of help 

1037
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:08,400
or whether he had In sort of 
offered with the offered the 

1038
01:05:08,408 --> 01:05:11,800
script or was he was the offered
a part in the film, I'm a bit 

1039
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,300
hazy on that because I think the
help script was pulled together 

1040
01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:16,100
pretty quickly. 
You know, it went through 

1041
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,200
various sort of iterations and 
then in the sort of was pulled 

1042
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:25,000
together pretty quickly in the 
end, but that would be, that 

1043
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,700
would have been would have been 
an interesting. 

1044
01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:29,700
I mean, do you think sellers 
would have been happy to sort of

1045
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:33,400
take second Bill owner in 1965, 
you know? 

1046
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,800
Well, I'm just thinking of when 
it is heart attacks were around 

1047
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:44,600
that time. 
So so maybe yeah but who knows? 

1048
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:50,100
It's a few other, quite tenuous,
not tenuous. 

1049
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:54,200
But that, as I said at the 
beginning to you, little sort of

1050
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,700
bits of trivia that have a goon 
goon Beatles connection which 

1051
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,500
stretching it a bit. 
So, just wanted to run through 

1052
01:06:00,500 --> 01:06:04,800
those quick shock. 
You don't mind obviously. 

1053
01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:09,900
Dick Amory. 
So, take a memory is quite front

1054
01:06:09,900 --> 01:06:14,000
and center as a voice artist on 
Yellow Submarine Force. 

1055
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,000
Yeah, and he did appear in a 
number of game shows and also 

1056
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,900
the Goon film case of the 
mekinese battle home. 

1057
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,900
Right, I did, I didn't know he 
was on, I knew that, but I 

1058
01:06:25,908 --> 01:06:28,800
didn't know he had appeared in 
sort of the episodes. 

1059
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,700
Was he had recurring character, 
think he? 

1060
01:06:30,700 --> 01:06:32,800
No, no, I think he should have 
checked. 

1061
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,400
I think he's in he's in at least
two maybe three. 

1062
01:06:35,500 --> 01:06:38,100
In fact, I think there was some 
earlier shows that don't exist 

1063
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:39,400
anymore. 
When Spike was Ill that he 

1064
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,900
appeared in as well. 
So he's in a handful there is 

1065
01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:47,100
there is a couple that certainly
do exist, that he's a guest, a 

1066
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:54,200
guest on, okay, now in January 
63 jukebox jury. 

1067
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,900
You know about this. 
No. 

1068
01:06:56,900 --> 01:07:01,700
Okay. 
Jukebox Jerry, January 63 and 

1069
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,300
Dick. 
James had been told that please.

1070
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:10,800
Please me would be played and it
wasn't okay, but more 

1071
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,200
significantly. 
Who's on the panel that week. 

1072
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,700
We've got Eric Sykes and Spike 
Milligan, okay? 

1073
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:23,400
Right. 
And Eric Sykes wore a hearing 

1074
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:29,200
aid the first time in public or 
untick TV at least because 

1075
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,500
obviously I have to listen, 
listen to the music being 

1076
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:39,800
played. 
Now this this one is for Real 

1077
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:44,000
sort of Hardcore goon fans. 
This little bit of trivia here. 

1078
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,400
Mike Haskins shared this with 
me. 

1079
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,400
Okay? 
Now you're probably not aware 

1080
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,700
that very, very, very 
occasionally. 

1081
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:56,500
In fact, there's probably only 
about five instances in the in 

1082
01:07:56,500 --> 01:08:00,800
the whole of the Goon shows run,
that they actually had a real 

1083
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:11,800
female guest on the show, okay? 
And they actually had a lady, an

1084
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:17,399
actress A lady that is an 
actress who was working with 

1085
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:21,399
Peter Sellers on a television 
program at the time in the mid 

1086
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:24,600
50's guest on the Goon show 
twice. 

1087
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:28,600
Okay. 
In the episode, you Bandit of 

1088
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,300
Sherwood Forest and in a later 
episode called Tales of 

1089
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:35,800
Montmartre, which we've covered 
on this as partners and that 

1090
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,600
that actress was called 
Charlotte Mitchell and she was 

1091
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,100
very friendly with the goons. 
And there is a rumor that 

1092
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:44,800
there's As rumors about her at 
Sellers, as well, if you know 

1093
01:08:44,808 --> 01:08:49,600
what I mean. 
Now, her husband At the time was

1094
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,399
an actor called Philip guard. 
Okay. 

1095
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,700
Not not really well known bit, 
but Philip guard played. 

1096
01:08:56,700 --> 01:09:03,300
Edgar in a third program, 
recording of King Lear in the 

1097
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:07,600
60s. 
Okay, all right, and so he 

1098
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:13,700
appears in the run out of I Am 
the Walrus That is a good fact. 

1099
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,200
I did not know that. 
That is a very good fact, very 

1100
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:22,800
tenuous, but very tenuous. 
Yeah, that's exactly the kind of

1101
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,000
information. 
I like to squirrel away. 

1102
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,100
And that's that's a, that's 
going to be a tie-break question

1103
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:30,600
in a Beatles quiz or a good 
physically someday. 

1104
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,800
And I'm not going to forget 
that. 

1105
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,700
That's a that's a great piece of
trivia. 

1106
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,300
That's excellent. 
Well done. 

1107
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:42,899
Well thank you Mike for Mike. 
Yeah, like you Mike That's very 

1108
01:09:42,899 --> 01:09:50,800
good. 
I know they will a serviceable 

1109
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,899
villain has Duty us to the vices
of. 

1110
01:09:52,899 --> 01:09:54,900
I mistress as Badness will 
desire. 

1111
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,200
What is he dead since you down? 
Father, bless you. 

1112
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:11,300
Service. 
One other thing as well. 

1113
01:10:12,700 --> 01:10:16,200
There's this famous photograph 
of the goons holding leaks in 

1114
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,900
1956. 
Then, if you've seen that photo,

1115
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:22,300
I have I'd I know that 
photograph. 

1116
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:26,900
Yeah. 
Now in 72, they recreated more 

1117
01:10:26,900 --> 01:10:31,600
or less that photo with the, the
much older goons holding leaks. 

1118
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,300
And I like to think that that's 
the goons version of the red and

1119
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:41,600
blue help me gasps. 
That's very tenuous, that's very

1120
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:44,000
case. 
But I see what you did there. 

1121
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,100
I see what you did there. 
That's very good. 

1122
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,000
I see what you did there. 
I see what you did there. 

1123
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,400
I let your way with thank you 
for all that you're with us. 

1124
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,600
That's not looking not. 
That is not going to win me a 

1125
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,200
Beatles quiz someday. 
That's That's Mike. 

1126
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,000
Drop territory. 
That's Mike. 

1127
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,900
That's mic drop. 
I think I'm just going to say I 

1128
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,300
am not sure whether we I 
mentioned this on my car off mic

1129
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:11,700
but that the Stuart Sutcliffe 
Link in 1957. 

1130
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:16,300
Spike did a TV show, whether use
the Britain got to sort of put 

1131
01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:21,900
questions to Leading Lights of 
the day and liberal arts college

1132
01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:24,200
sent some people along to the 
audience and one of them with 

1133
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,900
Stuart Sutcliffe and he who, of 
course for people that don't 

1134
01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:30,700
know, he was in the original 
lineup of The Beatles, he was 

1135
01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:35,200
the fifth Beatle if you like, 
and he appeared on camera and 

1136
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,400
got to put two questions to 
spike. 

1137
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,600
But of course, in the way of 
things that TV show, Show no 

1138
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:48,100
longer exists and it's 
particularly frustrating because

1139
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:52,400
there is no recording of 
Stewart's are Cliffs voice. 

1140
01:11:53,300 --> 01:11:55,900
The closest is there's a sort of
a tape of them. 

1141
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:58,700
The Beatles were harassing, and 
you can hear somebody speaking 

1142
01:11:58,700 --> 01:12:02,100
very faintly in the background. 
And well, maybe that was Stuart 

1143
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:03,900
Sutcliffe, but you think he was 
on camera? 

1144
01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:07,100
Yeah, we ate my leg and we don't
know when the question is, where

1145
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:09,700
do we know? 
We don't don't know anything 

1146
01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:16,000
about it and That's just another
one of those terrible terrible 

1147
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,100
situations, where you know, 
there was no foresight 

1148
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:25,300
whatsoever but keeping these 
things, no I suppose, you know, 

1149
01:12:26,900 --> 01:12:30,500
but very, very kind of 
frustrating when I read that. 

1150
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:35,800
So the other, the only other two
things that that I thought I 

1151
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:43,200
would mention. 
Hmm was the It's all in the 

1152
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,100
mind. 
Praise from the gun show. 

1153
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:49,000
Yeah, that appears in yellow 
submarine in the film. 

1154
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:50,600
Yes. 
All in the mind. 

1155
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,500
You know. 
And that that was a sort of 

1156
01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:55,300
recurring phrase, I think of the
green shows. 

1157
01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:58,600
I mean it was it was it was it 
was written. 

1158
01:12:58,700 --> 01:13:02,000
Well it's attributed to Larry 
Stevens who wrote a lot of 

1159
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:08,200
scripts with Spike. 
Hmm Larry sadly died in the late

1160
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:14,500
50s but yeah, he I think Came up
with that, that was used as a 

1161
01:13:14,500 --> 01:13:17,100
recurring catchphrase. 
It was often used just to 

1162
01:13:18,900 --> 01:13:22,700
abruptly end an episode that 
they run out of plot. 

1163
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:25,100
And so the announcer want to 
screen your leg would chip in 

1164
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:27,900
with it's all in the mind. 
You know, Kim use the earliest 

1165
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:30,200
prevalence of. 
What are we going to do now? 

1166
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:33,300
What are we gonna do now? 
I just yeah, what's it? 

1167
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:35,200
Like I've written down. 
I've written down. 

1168
01:13:35,500 --> 01:13:38,100
It crops up in the Beatles. 
Cartoon episode Strawberry 

1169
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:42,100
Fields, Forever. 
That line as well, right? 

1170
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:45,400
Could be, that's interesting 
because they had so little to do

1171
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:52,400
with that with that, that 
production was, I think the the 

1172
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,100
Yellow Submarine script, Roger, 
mcgough had a lot of input into 

1173
01:13:56,100 --> 01:14:00,800
that and you kind of think he 
you know same generation 

1174
01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:05,000
listening to the guns. 
That's see him that kind of same

1175
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,500
sense of humor. 
I enjoyed that video so most 

1176
01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:09,500
enjoyable. 
Yeah. 

1177
01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:10,600
How did we do it? 
John? 

1178
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:12,500
How it's all in the mind, you 
know? 

1179
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:24,800
And the other thing is just that
talk about Paul McCartney and 

1180
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:28,500
Spike Milligan, deserving, a 
co-write credit for a Ebony and 

1181
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:34,200
Ivory but they lived quite close
together, Paul, and spike in 

1182
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:38,000
the, in the eighties. 
So sort of in Rye, and he 

1183
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,400
Sussex. 
So there's very close Depaul's, 

1184
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:46,300
Hog Hill studio, and supposedly,
they all would kind of go and 

1185
01:14:46,300 --> 01:14:49,300
visit Spike on a fairly regular 
basis, and I think it's I always

1186
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:52,400
think is sort of kind of ironic 
that we started off or I started

1187
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,500
off by saying John George. 
They would be the ones that 

1188
01:14:56,500 --> 01:15:00,500
would be most tuned, and you 
think of, Paul as being a little

1189
01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:07,500
bit more straight last and not 
really sort of of that mind. 

1190
01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:12,600
But yet he and Spike, Fast 
friends when they lived together

1191
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,000
in the eighties, they call, 
right? 

1192
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,500
Paul supposedly would they live 
together? 

1193
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:18,500
And I'd love to deliver think 
maybe a sitcom. 

1194
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:21,300
So that would be a Cisco. 
I can pull that would lead to be

1195
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:22,500
a sitcom. 
We should get something we 

1196
01:15:22,508 --> 01:15:25,100
should we should copyright that 
idea, let's get writing that, 

1197
01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:29,600
that would be a fantastic. 
It would be like a more surreal 

1198
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,200
version of Stella street, that 
would be true with music as are 

1199
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,700
all. 
That would be very good, I 

1200
01:15:35,708 --> 01:15:37,400
think. 
Yeah, we could write that in an 

1201
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,300
envelope and send it to 
yourself. 

1202
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:45,000
The cost to copyright that idea,
Serafina, which is, oh, yeah. 

1203
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:46,900
And who would he? 
Please don't think. 

1204
01:15:46,900 --> 01:15:50,200
Who would be Spike? 
That's probably on cast. 

1205
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,800
David David? 
Threlfall, yes, yes, that would 

1206
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,500
be good. 
None would be good, and I would 

1207
01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:59,700
be good at least to go 40 and 
Paul would come run Spike Sighs 

1208
01:15:59,700 --> 01:16:02,000
and Spike would be in bed. 
So Paul we just sit and play the

1209
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,500
piano and have you. 
Are you aware of the poem that 

1210
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:09,500
Paul wrote for Spike? 
No, no. 

1211
01:16:10,700 --> 01:16:13,800
He wrote a poem. 
I don't know when this was 

1212
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:20,500
written, but this poem turns up 
in 2008 whenever all of spikes, 

1213
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:24,200
sort of a state possessions are 
being auctioned off and it's 

1214
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,900
called The Poet of films woman 
lay in and it comes complete 

1215
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:31,400
with the cartoon called The 
Nutters of starve Crow Lane. 

1216
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:36,900
And it's just that it's just a 
little poem and you want me to 

1217
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:40,600
read you the poem without the 
that be Going up too much time. 

1218
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:45,500
Every fiber of my being please, 
the voice of the port of them 

1219
01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:47,200
woman's lay. 
In can be heard Across The 

1220
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,600
Valleys of sugar, burnt cayenne 
and nostrils that sleep through 

1221
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,900
the wildest of nights will be 
twitching to gain aromatic 

1222
01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:56,200
insights. 
The wife of the farmer of 

1223
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,700
popping wholly in can be seen 
from the cab of the Roberts 

1224
01:16:59,700 --> 01:17:02,900
Bridge, train and passengers 
comments will frequently turn to

1225
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:05,200
the wages. 
The wife of a farmer can earn 

1226
01:17:05,500 --> 01:17:08,300
the port of dumbs woman's lay in
sallies Forth. 

1227
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:14,100
He's hoping for Want to see and 
it's signed with love from Paul 

1228
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,700
yesterday's man. 
And then he drew a little 

1229
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,600
cartoon of a man and a woman, 
giving a maca. 

1230
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,400
Thumbs up, of course. 
Yeah, Wonder force and you could

1231
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:32,200
have, you could have had that 
for your very own 46 thousand 

1232
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,400
pints in 2008. 
Mmm. 

1233
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:36,600
And you could have bought for 
that. 

1234
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:40,700
You could have bought 12 pianos 
you You could as I was saying to

1235
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:44,000
you, the piano went up for sale 
and it went for 480 pounds. 

1236
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,800
I cannot believe something. 
That's that's that's in 2022. 

1237
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,300
That's the price price of a loaf
of bread. 

1238
01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:57,000
Yeah, even if even if he just 
played, I don't know chopsticks 

1239
01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:00,900
on it. 
Just needs to be in a museum and

1240
01:18:01,100 --> 01:18:05,200
and then I have one completely 
unreliable anecdotal, go on. 

1241
01:18:07,300 --> 01:18:09,500
So this is when the Beatles get 
back together. 

1242
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,000
In 1994 to record free as a 
bird. 

1243
01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:17,100
And, you know, George has 
arrived in his nice motor and 

1244
01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:23,000
they're all hanging out, fog 
Hill studio and it's so there's 

1245
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,000
Paul George and Ringo and I 
imagined those sessions have 

1246
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,500
moments of tension between 
between them. 

1247
01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:34,500
So at one point a certainty. 
Yeah, yeah they decide. 

1248
01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:40,000
They're going to take a break. 
And Paul says, I have an Idea, 

1249
01:18:40,900 --> 01:18:45,300
let's go and see Spike. 
He's only 10 minutes up the road

1250
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:48,600
and of course, George is a big 
fan and his, you know, kept in 

1251
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,400
touch with Spike and Paul is a 
fan. 

1252
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:52,600
And I don't know when Ringo 
laughs. 

1253
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,300
Um, but anyway, they kind of get
in a car. 

1254
01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:57,800
I imagine they're all in the 
back of June Old Land Rover and 

1255
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:02,400
they drive to spikes house, and 
they ring the bell and Spike 

1256
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:07,200
opens the door and says, it's 
not convenient, I'm busy and 

1257
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,700
close the door. 
Sends them on their way. 

1258
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,100
And you think that's Spike? 
Yeah. 

1259
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:17,100
Is there anything more Spike 
than that? 

1260
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,500
You know, the Beatles, the 
surviving Beatles all through 

1261
01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:22,300
these people who are never in a 
room together, turn up and 

1262
01:19:22,308 --> 01:19:25,700
they're all standing on your 
front door and say, no, I'm 

1263
01:19:25,700 --> 01:19:29,600
sorry, I not convenient. 
Come back another day, you know.

1264
01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:31,800
So I don't know whether that is 
true or not. 

1265
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,100
I want that to be true and I so 
want that. 

1266
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:38,500
Yes, right. 
So want that to be true and and,

1267
01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:44,500
and again, I like the notion 
that 1994 there, The Beatles are

1268
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:48,700
in the studio. 
It is a tense situation, you 

1269
01:19:48,700 --> 01:19:50,300
know. 
John obviously isn't there. 

1270
01:19:50,300 --> 01:19:54,200
They're working to his tape. 
George is sort of their under 

1271
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,600
sufferings it. 
It will be tense and what do 

1272
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,900
they do to kind of break the 
tension? 

1273
01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:03,800
What do they turn to thing? 
Turn back to the goons? 

1274
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,600
Yeah. 
To the thing that in their 

1275
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:11,900
teenage years, that United them 
all and it's back to that Point 

1276
01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:14,700
that we talked about on our 
podcast About, You Know, My Name

1277
01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:17,800
Look up the number. 
We're in the midst of the kind 

1278
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,800
of chaos and the almost physical
altercation between John and 

1279
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,000
Paul. 
They suddenly one of them 

1280
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:28,900
decides to pull out this tape 
and they get together and John 

1281
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:30,600
and Paul standing around a 
microphone. 

1282
01:20:31,700 --> 01:20:37,200
Doing funny voices like the guns
trying to reach back to their 

1283
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:41,100
their kind of that connection. 
They had to find some common 

1284
01:20:41,100 --> 01:20:45,700
ground and it just seems to me. 
This is why I so wanted to be 

1285
01:20:45,700 --> 01:20:49,400
true is, is not only because 
it's the most spike thing I've 

1286
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,000
ever heard. 
But also the fact that the 

1287
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:56,500
Beatles, the three Beatles when 
they wanted to take a break from

1288
01:20:56,500 --> 01:21:00,100
the tension or from from the 
work that they were doing, They 

1289
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:01,700
turned to spike they turned to 
the good. 

1290
01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:03,600
Yeah, you know. 
They're they're reaching back to

1291
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:04,800
that same thing. 
Yeah. 

1292
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,500
And ends I again I like to think
that the three wheels just 

1293
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:11,800
didn't laughed and the doorstep,
you know, because what else 

1294
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:17,100
could you do? 
That's the love. 

1295
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:20,100
I think that's a perfect point 
to end on. 

1296
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:23,800
Really you got anything else? 
Steven? 

1297
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,400
And I don't think so. 
I think you've I think you 

1298
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,200
stumped me with a couple of 
beetle beetle points of trivia 

1299
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,700
there and I'll be writing those 
dine as a Sam. 

1300
01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:35,000
Yeah. 
And did the tank is dry. 

1301
01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:38,300
Tigers dry. 
I think we've ideas. 

1302
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:41,600
It's but, but you know, it's all
in the mind, you know, it all 

1303
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,200
very good. 
I tried, by the way, I I tried 

1304
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:45,900
desperately to find a hairy 
cecum. 

1305
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:48,500
I know. 
I know. 

1306
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,800
There is one okay. 
It's not really just that I 

1307
01:21:52,808 --> 01:21:54,300
really want you. 
I really want you to tell me 

1308
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:56,600
that he tried to get George 
Harrison ought to sing My Sweet 

1309
01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:04,100
Lord on Highway. 
He introduced Paul to acid, no 

1310
01:22:04,100 --> 01:22:05,200
heat. 
Well, he appeared on the bill 

1311
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,000
wisdom on the 63 Royal Variety 
performance. 

1312
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:13,000
That's also really that's it. 
I always feel slightly sorry for

1313
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,300
Harry. 
Yeah, you know, but it's his own

1314
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:20,100
fault, you know, because you 
know, Q8 Highway Pink Panther 

1315
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:24,400
Highway. 
He was always on this podcast. 

1316
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,200
He is often referred to as the 
Gringo of the goons and I think 

1317
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,400
that's I think that's perfect 
because He's kind of the 

1318
01:22:29,700 --> 01:22:31,900
uniforms that these, the 
Diplomat. 

1319
01:22:31,900 --> 01:22:35,600
He's the one that they all like,
you know, yes, he's the 

1320
01:22:35,608 --> 01:22:37,400
mediator. 
Yeah, I suppose that's a good 

1321
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,300
analogy. 
We should, we should have done 

1322
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:43,300
15 minutes on that, you know. 
But, but the clock is against 

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us, they say, Stephen, listen. 
Thank you so much. 

1324
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,100
I'm sure that everyone listen 
to, this is our already 

1325
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:55,900
subscribed to nothing is real. 
So, what if you got coming up, 

1326
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:00,000
what have we got coming on? 
Well, we just finished our 

1327
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:02,400
Allen, Klein marathon in season 
6. 

1328
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,300
So I think we probably alienated
half our listeners. 

1329
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:07,600
Why I was trying to argue that 
Allen Klein was actually the 

1330
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,600
good guy but so we're still I 
think we had quite an ambitious 

1331
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,800
season 6 where we tried to do an
arc of sort of a narrative. 

1332
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,500
I think that exhausted us so 
much that we're going to revert 

1333
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:21,500
back to a series of sort of 
individual episodes. 

1334
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:26,600
So we might do an Allen Klein 
part 5, but we're going to look 

1335
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,500
at some individual characters in
The Beatles. 

1336
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,300
And who knows? 
We might do a beetles in the 

1337
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:35,600
goons episode. 
There's no need to we've already

1338
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:36,500
covered. 
That was not. 

1339
01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:38,600
Of course not. 
No, we just put Europe. 

1340
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,100
We just, we just, I just top and
tail this podcast and put it 

1341
01:23:41,100 --> 01:23:42,200
right now. 
That'd be fine. 

1342
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:47,100
Are I'll be fine. 
All right, try and try and, you 

1343
01:23:47,108 --> 01:23:50,900
know, Jason's a bit resistant to
the goods. 

1344
01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:54,600
As Nice adjacent Pearson is a 
bit DS, is a bit look warm on 

1345
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,200
the guns, but he puts that down 
to being so much younger. 

1346
01:23:57,500 --> 01:24:01,900
He's const constantly throwing 
that up and but he did say, you 

1347
01:24:01,900 --> 01:24:05,900
know, it's very much of its time
You know, it was a wartime 

1348
01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:09,200
situation. 
There was rationing you know, 

1349
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:12,000
and I'm thinking I think it 
probably resonates. 

1350
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,200
I think we're time for the 
gardens to make a comeback. 

1351
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:19,000
I think we're living through 
times when very similar to the 

1352
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,900
times, that produce the golden 
fourth, what? 

1353
01:24:21,100 --> 01:24:25,600
Yeah, fantastic. 
By the way, I just want to do a 

1354
01:24:25,608 --> 01:24:32,900
quick plug before we finish. 
I mentioned before, thanks to 

1355
01:24:32,900 --> 01:24:37,200
Mike Haskins and Andrew hickey 
for Supply me with some of the 

1356
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:41,900
more esoteric trivia for this. 
But Mike has got this book 

1357
01:24:41,900 --> 01:24:46,600
coming out in early, September 
called The Beatles Liverpool. 

1358
01:24:46,700 --> 01:24:49,800
And it's going to be a it's a 
brand new. 

1359
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,900
Colorful guide to Historic 
Beetle Associated locations 

1360
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:57,700
across Liverpool and merseyside 
these range from the Beatles 

1361
01:24:57,700 --> 01:25:01,500
homeschools the clubs with Plays
and even the shops where they 

1362
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:04,800
bought their first instruments 
and The Barbers where they got 

1363
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,400
the haircut. 
Spoiler alert was a Penny Lane 

1364
01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:12,200
all of described in Fab, Four 
fact packed detail. 

1365
01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:13,200
You tell. 
I'm reading this. 

1366
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:17,600
Yeah, and Illustrated with what 
the Beatles old pal Cilla Black 

1367
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,700
would surely have described as a
Lara, Lara pictures. 

1368
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,300
Yeah. 
Well, I'm very glad you got a 

1369
01:25:24,308 --> 01:25:26,300
silver reference in. 
We've been doing that and our 

1370
01:25:26,300 --> 01:25:28,800
podcast. 
So that's great, Oleg salenko 

1371
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,800
and Spike ridden that I'm not 
similar similar episodes when I 

1372
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:39,500
ended it was yes in the 60s 
anyway as and there's also an 

1373
01:25:39,500 --> 01:25:41,600
exciting map showing how all 
these places are spread across 

1374
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,700
the Magnificent, city of 
Liverpool in the wonderful were 

1375
01:25:43,700 --> 01:25:48,000
all Peninsula next to it. 
So yeah, so that will be out in 

1376
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:53,900
September published by Pitkin 
and available for all good hook 

1377
01:25:53,900 --> 01:25:56,900
Emporia. 
So, I just wanted to put that 

1378
01:25:56,900 --> 01:25:59,300
plug in for Mike. 
And if you know, if you two guys

1379
01:25:59,500 --> 01:26:01,900
Ever decide to hotfoot it to 
Liverpool and do a bit of a 

1380
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,600
roving report on beetles 
locations. 

1381
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:09,000
I'm sure Mike would make a 
first-class tour guide, well I 

1382
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,500
will definitely take him up on 
that. 

1383
01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:14,300
I saw I follow Mike on Twitter 
and I saw he had put up a 

1384
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:18,200
picture of a big carton of the 
books that had arrived and I 

1385
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:19,200
think. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1386
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:22,800
Because we do plan, we've been 
planning this and then covid got

1387
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,800
in the way that we were going to
go to Liverpool and do a tour 

1388
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,400
and I said suggest you do this 
book is coming out. 

1389
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,900
We should get Mike, on the 
podcast, talk about his book and

1390
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:33,900
I said, we should to take the 
book as a guide, but it would be

1391
01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:37,800
even better if Mike would like 
to come along and he can guide 

1392
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,400
us, Winder sites. 
Okay. 

1393
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,800
Well, Stephen, thank you very 
much for having me. 

1394
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:49,700
It's I get to talk about two of 
my favorite, my favorite 

1395
01:26:49,700 --> 01:26:51,500
subjects and syllable by 
syllable. 

1396
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,400
Thanks again, Stephen take care 
of yourselves. 

1397
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:57,900
See you soon? 
Bye.