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normally, obviously he's he's 
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wearing my boots again. 
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difficult man to deal with. 
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focusing on the relationship. 
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a word. 
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Oh it's been a joyous, couple of
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Putting it putting it together 
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feel-good play. 
Most plays about comedians or 

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writers are oh, he was really 
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some miserable stuff about how 
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we'd I really want to do that. 
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how brilliant it was. 
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people to come out of the 
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you know, it'll save on your 
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Hello and welcome to kompot 
spike is the hit play by Nick 

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UK and enjoying packed houses. 
Everywhere it goes, it looks at 

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the life of Spike Milligan, 
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arguably his most creative 
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The 1950s in, the Goon show, 
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that earlier this year, I 
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cable and Smith and John Doug 
leash during the plays initial 

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back in September. 
I managed to grab an hour with 

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the show's new Leading man, the 
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So you're into second week of as
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week of playing spike in the 
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Yes, that's right by in his 
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in we're Movin. 
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Festival theater. 
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go out in a few weeks. 
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recording is a we quite unlike 
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ever really, it's the week of 
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the queen is yes. 
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tell you whether what the 
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certainly was, we were last 
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she died. 
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it being announced that she 
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were told you can stay open the 
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to show to go on but we had a 
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anthem before the show which is 
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felt a little bit like a now on 
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think by the interval, you know,
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in, and they had a drink and 
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realized that, you know, it's 
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It's real. 
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interview if you want to be 
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think it's not No one's saying, 
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last-minute rewrites because 
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two about the royal family, 
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that way but I think ever since 
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particular change now, spread 
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colleagues who are appearing in 
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that obviously Wicked, I think, 
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silence and play the national 
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what it was. 
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have a little pause and then 
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more bits of the goons. 
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the show. 
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national anthem was Harry going,
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He was a death's door. 
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you knock so? 
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going to actually do a bit so 
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second night. 
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most overt reference to the 
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talking about the talk about the
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of yourself, before you actually
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figured in your life in any 
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I think it was, you know, like 
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was like the defining comedy. 
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late teens early 20s, when the 
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of like this is it. 
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Jazz as well as simply this 
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and got yes and gots but this 
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just like this is it this is my 
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to work the next day and find 
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for a lot of people who who got 
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don't remember actually 
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as a child. 
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accessible. 
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tapes but he wasn't like playing
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But I always remember Spike, 
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of my kind of Comedy background.
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q that ever got. 
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remember having a book of his 
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hilarious. 
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and his poems. 
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on, you know, we watch it or any
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was. 
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is all the stuff that you like 
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Vic and Bob. 
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opportunity came up, I kind of 
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dad, who, sadly passed away a 
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this job and kind of do try and 
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Great. 
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And so, so what, what, what sort
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love. 
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Pison made, my, what was great 
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he was in his early 50s, but he 
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the young ones together, which I
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about Alexei sayle. 
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didn't get the kebab and then I 
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thought they were the funniest 
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Chris Morris, and that, and that
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away in the background and then 
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can see it kind of bubbling 
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everything really when you go 
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everything, you see? 
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know from the sea did it first? 
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alternative comedy General. 
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towards the end of me. 
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It really wasn't for him. 
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I think people saw it as all 

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kind of swearing and farting but
there's so much absurdism in the

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young ones and stuff that I do 
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appreciated on that level. 
If you got me figured giving it 

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the time. 
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of Q you think this is genius 
but you watch it's like with 

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Monty Python's Flying Circus you
watching you watch an average 

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me. 
Can't it can't all be gold it 

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can. 
And and and it's certainly 

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that's certainly true for you. 
I've watched a few kind of full 

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There doesn't work but I can see
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sometimes you can't see what the
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say something they do G and yes,
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So that's Spike. 
The play it Had his first run 

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that and there was John Douglas.
She was playing Spike and he's 

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obviously not not, not take up 
the role now and you have. 

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So how did, how did the whole, 
how did it come about? 

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Did you approach that somebody 
refer you or how did this come 

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about? 
Yeah, I had worked with the, in 

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a Nick, in the past, on a radio 
play called trial by laughter, 

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which then Turned into a theater
paper. 

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Wasn't involved with the theater
show but I work with them. 

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Had a very nice time working 
with them. 

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I think they'd see me in 
something on telly and enjoyed 

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my performance of got me in for 
that. 

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Yeah. 
And then I wasn't, I didn't 

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originally audition for the 
first run of this, that just 

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kind of happened. 
I didn't see it either, by fear,

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it was very good and I kind of 
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been seen for that. 
I seemed I was possibly too old.

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He whispered, he whispered, I'm 
actually probably about pushing 

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it to play Spy. 
Could be hit you cross out about

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10 years, older? 
I think many wasn't so I'm not 

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too old for it is fine. 
But then and then I thought they

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announced it was going on tour 
with John doing it. 

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Then I think I'm not entirely 
sure what happened. 

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I think John John had something 
else that clashed with it I 

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think I think it was all set to 
do it but then another job came 

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up and clashed and saying for 
the originality of hey, Peter 

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Sellers in it. 
So it came up that I've I assume

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in Put my name, forward for it, 
and said, we work with him. 

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We're thinking like this, but I 
auditioned that it is, umm, 

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audition for some of the 
producers and Rob our assistant 

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director. 
And then they rang up the next 

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day with an offer. 
So I suggest please okay. 

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Yeah. 
I don't like I said, I don't 

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know how many people like we're 
up against it with me. 

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Yeah, I think I think because 
I've had that previous work 

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connection with the internet. 
I think that helped me get 

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through the door. 
Oh, I've lost you again. 

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Okay. 
Do you want to just pause it a 

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second and maybe I can try and 
go somewhere and find some 

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better wi-fi. 
Okay. 

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Sure. 
Okay. 

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Because we do want to keep doing
this but I think my Wi-Fi keeps 

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going but I think if I go to 
another room hopefully there's 

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no one around. 
Okay, I'll take on a guided tour

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to through more than the 
festival theater. 

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Go up the stairs up, the stairs.
I think, if I go to our 

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community, Dressing room, he 
won't mind. 

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He's a nice boy broadcast. 
Seems to have full Wi-Fi now. 

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So fingers crossed perfect this 
works. 

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So I don't know if you want to 
pick up from anywhere. 

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Yes. 
A bit of color but I'm having to

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change map and all that markets,
dressing room. 

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So I may be interested in number
one, but the wife that's rubbish

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right where they get better 
wi-fi. 

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So I mean, I'm in every month 
while we talk. 

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She's not a Margaret's dressing 
room enjoying on that? 

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No, no, I need anybody. 
And I don't know if that's going

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to be father's going to assign 
before. 

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Yeah, so you're not, you said 
you're not done too much 

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theater. 
No I haven't. 

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No, not really through choices. 
Just how your career kind of 

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pans out. 
Really, I've done more TV and 

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film and theater. 
I'm going to play for about six 

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or seven years, and I haven't 
been apart this big in a play. 

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Certainly not professionally. 
So I think they've taken a bit 

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of a punt on me, which I'm 
eternally grateful for. 

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And I hope I'm rising to the 
challenge of doing it, but yeah,

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that was part of the reason for 
taking the job. 

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I just thought I'd and parts 
like this, don't come along very

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often so I can to kind of grab 
it, really sure. 

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And yeah, so what did you do in 
terms of without what it has a 

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10? 
Just but finding the character, 

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how did you find Spike? 
How do I find him with his 

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house? 
His house hard to talk. 

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That tiny pretentious is mean, I
don't I so I try to watch any 

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kind of As much archive from the
time of him being himself, not a

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character which is which is not 
that much. 

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There's a lot of him when he's 
older. 

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Yeah. 
Even every seemed every other 

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week he was on compensation or 
or Terry wogan but that's the 

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kind of different spike. 
I wanted to find the young spike

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in there are few archived 
interviews. 

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There's, there's a great one, 
he's talking to, I can't 

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remember. 
He launches into a whole routine

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about the first, the first 
British, man in space, when he's

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meant to be just giving an 
interview, but He can't help 

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himself, he goes off and starts 
acting out this whole scene for 

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that basically the whole of the 
interview. 

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So even then he's on, I like 
things to be done quickly, 

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right? 
Like the idea, you know, I like 

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just to think of the idea I 
think. 

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Well, that's it. 
I put out of the way. 

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How can I put it for instance, 
let me say I'm a rocket that let

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us suppose that those rocket 
first English astronaut. 

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That's right. 
The first thing first, astronaut

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is going to be fired into space.
It's about And they British 

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government have bought on the HP
American secondhand rocket. 

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And they've been drawn lots to 
who goes in it, and it's a 

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captain Martin trust who's goes 
in and eat. 

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It's morning, it's gone. 
You see on ones with flats and 

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the rockets there and BBC, then 
a wonderful day here and they 

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are. 
As I stand here, I can see the 

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great iron Gantry being pulled 
back from the rocket with its 

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three stage Miss I was in place,
and any moment. 

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Now, they have the cord, which 
contacts him to the ground will 

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be shared, and he will have no 
contact with the ground, except 

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by radio, to let her kill 
telephonic communication. 

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I believe the countdown has 
started, so we ought to go to 

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the ground control, which is 
under the Aegis of the American 

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national command over here as 
idea to Ground Control here 

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because our daughter started 
now, and from extremists who won

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now starting at the countdown. 
Now, ten nine, eight, seven, 

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One, six, five, four, three, 
two, one, zero. 

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These are strange interview, 
he's talking to Robert Robinson 

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and um he's on is it's a normal 
interview but he seems to be on 

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a floating chair which nobody 
nobody discusses that, it's 

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chair kind of moves up and 
around and Robert Robinson 

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follows him around while we're 
talking but nobody mentions that

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which is a lovely little Spike 
patch. 

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There's an interview from the I 
want to say the mid-70s I 

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watched it for a long time. 
Face your image and I think it. 

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Oh yes. 
I watched a bit of that. 

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Yes, as well as that is that 
with dimbleby? 

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Yes. 
Where he's kind of very serious 

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as it is. 
Yeah. 

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And there's the business him and
he does a psychiatrist chair one

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as well which is quite kind of 
serious. 

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So those are all helpful and and
then I watched some of his early

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TV stuff and listen to a lot of 
the goons and read a biography 

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or two. 
Yeah. 

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And I thought, I suppose what 
I'm trying to do on stage is not

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do an impression of him. 
He's got quite a distinctive 

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voice, which I've tried to catch
a bit old, but I don't know if I

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could sustain it for the whole 
play. 

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Plus the play is kind of like 
our version of Spike. 

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It's not like he was exact copy 
of what Spike was. 

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Like, it's kind of, you know, 
it's it's a fictionalized 

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versions. 
But so I've tried to capture 

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more to kind of, hopefully the 
kind of essence of him and his 

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energy more than an exact. 
Painstaking, we creation of 

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exactly how he sounded. 
So, I think that would should 

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open mad really, and, and kind 
of tighten it. 

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So, I tried to capture the kind 
of the energy, the spike Enos 

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the, in both ways, actually, 
that's a good pun was intended, 

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purpose. 
The spike Enos and yeah, the the

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manic energy when he's up. 
And then what? 

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He's Lightning, Crashes down and
and, and try to capture the 

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physicality of him as much as 
possible. 

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But yeah, but not being kind of 
a slave to a kind of 

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impersonation, is what I'm 
trying, what I'm trying to To 

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do. 
And that's possibly Mike's, 

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that's possibly my excuse for 
people coming in, but we doesn't

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sound like him will 
intellectually. 

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It's not just big 
interpretation, so don't ask for

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your money back. 
Like that you are right. 

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He he would adopt slightly 
different voices depending on 

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his mood, he does. 
Yeah, I know he works he would 

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even he was always putting on 
voices, you know? 

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So and we do that in the play, 
you know, where he was. 

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It's when he's on and when he's 
off, when will the finding the 

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moments of Reels? 
Real spike is actually quite 

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difficult. 
I think Apart from islay to 

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interviews are like you said, 
like in the psychiatrist, 

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sharing their, when he's being 
quite open. 

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I wanted to track down that 
documentary he made about his 

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depression, but I couldn't find 
it. 

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I don't know. 
Didn't seem to be online that I 

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could find. 
I would have liked to watch 

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that. 
Maybe the BFI may have had it by

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have time to going to go and 
search that out. 

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But that's what I really would 
have liked to watch. 

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He made a documentary in the 70s
didn't me about. 

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I may be able to source that for
you in center. 

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Now, I'd really like to see 
that. 

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That would be that would be 
interesting. 

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I'll make a note to I haven't 
got it myself but I know someone

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who may have it. 
Can I can get it like a find 

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someone on the dark web, the 
dark, Google wave, where copies 

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of the Melting Pot change hands 
for 25 pounds. 

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Did you watch The Melting Pot by
the way at all? 

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Which is a terrible sitcom that 
even no. 

404
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No no, no. 
I know I did I haven't watched 

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Korean chips. 
I die quietly. 

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Yeah I didn't touch this kind of
like we all know there's that 

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side to him and I don't really 
To go there. 

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It's kind of just pretend not, 
not pretend that doesnt. 

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I think he can accept that. 
You have to accept that along 

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with it. 
You know we're this is a, the 

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play is set firmly in the goons 
times. 

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We don't really cover that, but 
it was just, I don't know, it's 

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funny. 
I kind of I don't know where it 

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comes from his bike. 
I don't feel like it comes from 

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a place of full-blown racism. 
I just I just think he thought 

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it was funny to do the voices 
and and do which it is. 

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Didn't you got to accept it 
isn't? 

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But he thought that it was 
you've got to accept that kind 

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of that, that was his take on it
but I don't think it comes from 

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a place of, you know, kind of 
hatred or anything. 

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And I I just think he likes 
doing. 

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I think he just likes doing an 
Indian voice. 

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I just think that I can do it 
because I think it's funny and 

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like I'll do this I'll do the 
sketch about the Scottish 

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policeman or whatever. 
But I'll do it in black face 

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because I think that's funny but
you know that you can question 

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that judgment but I don't know 
is yeah it's interesting where 

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it comes from. 
As a kind of cosmic Instinct. 

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But yeah. 
Well, the thing is, I mean, 

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yeah, I'm just a couple of years
older than you, and I grew up on

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a diet of British comedy. 
Although, now through modernized

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through contemporary eyes, you 
watch things, certain things 

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like that, and you, yeah, you 
kind of cringe. 

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And, yeah, get all but, but, but
I remember, I just think back to

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when I was 14 or 15 which was 30
plus years ago and it's like 

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watching things like that. 
That then and things like even 

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like the goodies where they 
would sometimes do blackface, 

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and things like that. 
Yeah. 

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At the time, it just kind of 
just, I wouldn't say go went 

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over my head but I just didn't, 
yeah, registered that it was 

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that there was anything 
particularly with it and it's 

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the whole that I hate. 
The whole thing is like, oh well

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Spike would be cancelled if he 
tried to do that. 

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Now would be canceled and he say
what he wouldn't do that. 

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Now, he'd be part of this 
generation who don't do exactly 

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exactly like that. 
And nobody would let him do it. 

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00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:13,800
So so I hate it. 
Fake cancel culture argument, 

448
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,400
you don't inspect that kind of 
people tie themselves in knots 

449
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,000
over. 
It's just kind of, you know this

450
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,300
face. 
Anyway, let's move away from 

451
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:22,400
that, let's move away from that.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. 

452
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,100
I just watched it, I mean, it's 
a great research period, really 

453
00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:28,300
just watching the funny tricks 
of Spike and and listening to 

454
00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:30,500
lots of the goons and 
reacquainting myself with the 

455
00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:32,600
goons. 
Which, like I said, I always 

456
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,100
kind of knew, but I didn't 
really know if, you know, if you

457
00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:39,200
know, I mean, I knew, I knew the
characters and I knew, I mean, 

458
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,600
there was a period I think 
during the lockdown, right? 

459
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,400
I always seem to be in my car. 
I was doing something on a 

460
00:23:44,408 --> 00:23:47,100
particular time when Radio, 4 
extra playing the goons. 

461
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:50,000
So I would II just a couple of 
years ago. 

462
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,700
I started listening to it again.
I'm thinking this is just, this 

463
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,000
is just brilliant. 
It's just brilliant. 

464
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,700
And I can I see why everyone is 
obsessed with it because it's 

465
00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:02,900
just glorious. 
Yeah, when I first spoke to Nick

466
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,900
and Nick Newman who obviously, 
co-wrote, this with Ian, his 

467
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:08,700
loved one of the things, I think
he said from memory, because 

468
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:10,700
with God, it's nearly nine 
months ago. 

469
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:14,300
Good God, yeah. 
He said that he was surprised 

470
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:16,400
and he will obviously tons of 
hit grown up listening to the 

471
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,200
goons. 
I think he was, he grew up in 

472
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,200
Singapore, something like that. 
Okay. 

473
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,700
And he grew up exposed to stuff 
like the games, but he's, I 

474
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:29,400
think he said he wasn't, he 
hadn't realized quite how 

475
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,500
cutting and satirical and 
topical. 

476
00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:36,300
Hmm. 
They had been and he cited the 

477
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:40,800
episode 1985 which was based on 
1984, which had been televised 

478
00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:43,100
by the BBC. 
Literally, I think three weeks 

479
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:44,600
before the goons did their 
version. 

480
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,600
Yeah. 
And and yeah, if you listen to 

481
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,200
the uncut gun shows the, you 
know, the ones that weren't 

482
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,600
released as LPS and had Paul. 
Yeah, book references removed, 

483
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,700
there's a hell of a lot of 
satire and yeah, and I would 

484
00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:59,900
argue that, you know, forget 
beyond the friend, I would say 

485
00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:02,900
the goons were the fathers of 
British that I really yeah, 

486
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:04,500
absolutely. 
I think that's why in and Nick 

487
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:07,100
of kind of quite taken to it 
because they're, you know, the 

488
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:11,000
satirist Supreme so yes. 
Yeah, we do and we and the show 

489
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,400
kind of Not giving too much away
climaxes with 1985. 

490
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:21,500
We redo concert on stage. 
Yeah, you know, I was blown away

491
00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:24,500
when I listened to it actually 
is a pretty this just fantasy, I

492
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:26,000
died. 
The idea that he rustled up the 

493
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,200
couple of weeks after it and 
being on pleasure in presenting 

494
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,900
those glamorous, grandmother's 
the three Beverly sisters 

495
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,500
correction the Beverly. 
Twin Miss Beverly were saying 

496
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,700
everybody done. 
I mean, the work ethic is just 

497
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,600
he's just incredible. 
They would do knees every week. 

498
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:46,400
I just find it. 
You know, you get you do one and

499
00:25:46,408 --> 00:25:48,700
then start again on Monday and 
start writing the next one. 

500
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:51,200
I just think it's just yeah, 
edible ringing. 

501
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,800
Yeah. 
Except I haven't seen the play 

502
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,100
yet because of geographical 
Reasons. 

503
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,500
I'm hoping to see to see when 
you are in Blackpool because 

504
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:03,300
that's fantastic. 
Probably the closest that to me.

505
00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:07,600
Yes I'm based in the Northwest 
and I but I you know I kind of 

506
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,600
have a an idea as to as to what 
the play is about. 

507
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,300
Beasley, but I don't know the 
finer details. 

508
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,600
You know, do you have many 
scenes where you're having to 

509
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,700
sort of Channel, some, dark 
emotions, or is it is it fairly 

510
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:23,800
light? 
Most of the time, it's over 

511
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,300
overall, it's fairly light. 
I think. 

512
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:28,400
Even in Nick, like, just 
described it as a celebration, I

513
00:26:28,408 --> 00:26:31,200
think they wanted to, I didn't 
think they wanted to go down too

514
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,000
far, down the route of the BBC 
four I think someone described I

515
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,200
thought maybe it was Margaret, I
think described it is crying and

516
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,300
wanking. 
Genre of That's right. 

517
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:44,900
Like, I think it was Margaret on
this, on your, on your, on your,

518
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:47,900
on your show, probably. 
So I steal that from Margaret. 

519
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,700
I don't even want to go too far 
down that road, but it doesn't 

520
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:54,400
avoid the struggles that he had,
we do. 

521
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,600
We do show him in st. 
Luke's in the men in the mental 

522
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,000
hospital. 
It was in for a while, we do 

523
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,400
show him, go break down. 
So because that's, that's part 

524
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,900
of the stories. 
And it's essential part of a 

525
00:27:04,908 --> 00:27:05,700
story. 
I think so. 

526
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,300
They and we, and we don't 
sugarcoat Spike either. 

527
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:10,800
We showed that he could be quite
difficult to work with and he 

528
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,400
was Could be a right pain in the
ass sometimes so we celebrate 

529
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,000
the work, but try and give a 
fuck kind of Fairly fairly 

530
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,900
truthful. 
Portrait of him as a man, I 

531
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,500
think sugar and the effect it 
had on his marriage as well. 

532
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:27,900
That's all that's all in there. 
But also with Spike and I think 

533
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:29,800
as it would have been with 
spiking me life is jokes, you 

534
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,400
can through, you know, all the, 
all the kind of the doubt, the 

535
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,100
dark bits of the side B. 
You still going to have the 

536
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:36,700
jokes because, you know, that's 
what he would have been doing 

537
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:41,500
sure in terms of the audience's 
that you've had the last couple 

538
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:44,200
of Of weeks. 
Yeah, have they tended to be 

539
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,000
more the older demographic or 
have you had lots of younger 

540
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,700
people coming? 
I think so. 

541
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:50,800
I think I think, to be honest, I
think it is the older 

542
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,500
demographic coming in because 
they're away. 

543
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:55,400
I'm surprised the amount of 
people, I've actually explain 

544
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,600
some people at my age, have to 
explain spiked if you're not 

545
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,100
particularly in the, in the 
words of appreciating comedy, 

546
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,700
you might not really know who he
is. 

547
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:05,400
Even even. 
Yeah. 

548
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:08,000
Even like people who have rho. 
I've got a. 

549
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,100
Yeah, I figured, then once you 
do again, so I think that's kind

550
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:15,000
of like This kind of way in an 
energy HD technique, 20 years 

551
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,600
isn't even dead 20 years. 
So yeah, so I think that's 

552
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,600
partly why in and Nick wanted to
get it out there to just go look

553
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,500
what he did to look, but I think
I have seen younger people in, 

554
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:28,900
and I think people, I think 
there are parents coming in come

555
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:30,100
and see this come and listen to 
this. 

556
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:32,200
And I think they wrote their 
art, there are young fans of 

557
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,700
them out there, but yeah, so II 
don't think it would say, with 

558
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:38,200
full of it's full of young. 
Kids getting their kicks from 

559
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,700
Spike for the first time. 
I think. 

560
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:42,000
I think it is an older 
demographic and that's Fine, 

561
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,500
it's not a fixed all about, it's
all about the youth. 

562
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:48,200
It's not all about BBC three, 
yes, yes, yeah, yeah, 

563
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,000
absolutely. 
Now I know you weren't in the 

564
00:28:51,008 --> 00:28:56,000
first run of the play but do you
know, have I get the impression?

565
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,200
I get the feeling in a Nick met 
of added, added or expanded or 

566
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,400
tweaks, the script. 
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. 

567
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,800
I believe they have, yeah, I 
didn't see, I haven't seen any 

568
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,300
glass button, the one I've got. 
But when, when all the returning

569
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,400
cast members came to join us, Is
something that's new, that's 

570
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,300
nearly all have to learn that. 
So I think it has been expanded,

571
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,000
not not hugely, but I think 
extra bits of been added. 

572
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,400
And apparently it has made, it 
has kind of taken up an option 

573
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,600
and I think they just worked in 
some more Spike jokes that we 

574
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,700
didn't get around to doing the 
first time, right? 

575
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,300
Thanks to a b and therefore, the
spike aficionados, that didn't 

576
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:36,200
make it in the first time, okay?
Now just I wanted as well 

577
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,300
because I noticed that again, 
apologies, if I'm completely 

578
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:41,500
wrong here, but I got the 
impression. 

579
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,700
In that his wife, June didn't 
feature in the first run but she

580
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:49,100
does in this run, as I know, I 
think no June was always in it, 

581
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:53,300
but I think that is how we see 
things work because the cast is 

582
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:55,600
expanded a bit more to Myra 
cecum. 

583
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,800
Yeah, as trade, by the wonderful
tasting, couturier in this 

584
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,800
production because because we're
now on tour and it's a longer 

585
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,500
process. 
They were able to expand the 

586
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:08,000
cast out. 
So we've got cast in playing 

587
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,400
some other characters but 
they're also under studying some

588
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,400
of the Gerbils because you need 
that, we need that protection. 

589
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,000
When you want all those, they 
actively make basically they 

590
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000
can't afford understudies that 
there was no theater. 

591
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,000
It was so, so, so so we've got a
weird. 

592
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,000
So apart from me taking over a 
spike and they're fantastic. 

593
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:28,700
Patrick Walnut, taking over is 
Peter. 

594
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,500
We've got all of the original 
cast and in three new actors who

595
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:35,200
are in playing playing various 
other roles and understudying us

596
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:39,200
and Peter, Jukes was able to go 
on last week because as Peter 

597
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,700
Sellers because Patty are Peter 
was getting married. 

598
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:45,900
So congratulations to Patti, got
married, last weekend's, and 

599
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:48,600
Peter Dukes stepped in, and gave
a fantastic performances. 

600
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,000
Be settled, that's already. 
We've had the understudies come 

601
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,200
on and it's it's been exciting. 
Exciting. 

602
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,800
Last weekend's yesu, everyone. 
In the cast is just on it and 

603
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,400
just the loveliest people to 
work with all the original cast 

604
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:04,400
and just being so welcoming to 
us new loans. 

605
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,000
But yeah, yeah, Patrick is 
great, you can do all the voices

606
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:11,500
but he's kind of finding 
something. 

607
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:16,800
For an in Peter the man and and 
and Jesse's got this amazing 

608
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,400
infectious how he seek Him 
laughs, but just kind of barrels

609
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,200
through these scenes Harry, is 
this this kind of warm 

610
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,100
effervescent presents bubbling 
through the whole, the whole 

611
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:29,900
play in between Peter and 
spikes, kind of slightly more 

612
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:34,000
antagonistic relationship. 
So, so, yeah, it was a 

613
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,400
wonderful, lovely, warm 
performance with Jeremy and, 

614
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:39,900
and, and a brilliant performance
and Patrick as PT. 

615
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:41,500
Yeah, they just were having a 
lovely time. 

616
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,800
I'm doing it. 
Yeah, I would argue that even 

617
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,400
though he really did the one 
voice which was an extension of 

618
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,700
his own, I would argue that 
playing Harry seek Him is 

619
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:54,700
possibly the biggest challenge 
may be because yeah, voice and 

620
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:58,300
that Giggle, and yes, and the 
singing as well. 

621
00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:02,800
Yeah, and you know, Jamie's at 
trained singers, he can, he can 

622
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,600
be can belt it out, he's got the
voice and he's got that. 

623
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,600
He's got the energy. 
And that's, that's and that's 

624
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,000
been a big rediscovery for me, 
actually listening to the shows 

625
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,500
because I think we are 
generation. 

626
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,300
Harry seeking the block of 
Highway. 

627
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,400
Yeah. 
And and Oliver and I think he's 

628
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,800
always been a bit kind of 
dismissed as though, they were 

629
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,400
two Geniuses in the goons, and 
then this heretic images to. 

630
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,000
But when you listen to the 
shows, he's brilliant is 

631
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,100
absolutely brilliant and it's 
got the energy that just drives 

632
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:32,500
it along the, you know, it 
would, it wouldn't work without 

633
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:34,900
without Harry. 
They're being being very funny 

634
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:38,700
but also being a brilliant 
straight man and and you can 

635
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:41,000
hear the joy of performance in 
his voice. 

636
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,100
Which which, you know, you can 
hear you can, you know, Peter, 

637
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,600
Peter, I mean, sellers is just 
incredible, just incredible 

638
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:54,900
diversity, but but it's, it's 
just so kind of perfect even 

639
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:57,100
when he corpses, you know, even 
when he caught me and everyone 

640
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:58,900
who goes, its kind of you never 
really lose it. 

641
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:02,300
But when you hear how he laughs,
and, and the way that it just 

642
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,200
brings just kind of, yeah, I 
know it's a joy. 

643
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:11,700
Yeah. 
What happened to the band? 

644
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:15,600
Where's only stops clapping? 
Well, that's our new economy 

645
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,300
cut. 
Orchestra 14 Men, playing one 

646
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:22,400
instrument is mrs. 
Greenslade. 

647
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,400
I get the laughs in the show. 
I wear the funny bunny. 

648
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:30,900
Now, just his Meek Mill. 
Pushing us for now, I'll take it

649
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:40,500
right now then just, he'll this 
boa constrictor. 

650
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:46,500
Now, so we are subjects adjacent
is capture that hugely in this. 

651
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:50,600
Just getting back to you talk 
about Patrick, doing all the 

652
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,800
voices. 
Yeah. 

653
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:55,100
What about you did you know? 
I am assuming you do many 

654
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:56,500
banners to do Echols. 
Do? 

655
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:58,800
Yeah, minion Echoes get an 
airing yes. 

656
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,400
So I just again, listened 
listened a lot and try to watch 

657
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,800
him. 
Do the voices as well, to see 

658
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,900
what he does with his kind of 
body in his face while he, but 

659
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:11,199
he doesn't. 
And I mean that, Funny as it is,

660
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,100
if I'm part, I liked him singing
voices. 

661
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:15,800
So I tried to do them. 
It's much. 

662
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,100
Like, I don't, we don't get to 
do because I think he's a later.

663
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:22,199
Introduction is one of my 
favorites is, I didn't even know

664
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,100
the name of the character. 
Is he called Jin? 

665
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,100
He calls everyone, Jim Jim, Jim 
sprigs. 

666
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:31,000
That's, that's yes, yes. 
Because everyone else Jim and 

667
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,900
his voice and he sings and he 
say a line in and sing it again.

668
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:40,400
Which is one of my favorite. 
That's right, I just love it. 

669
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,600
I just love it. 
But unfortunately, we don't, I 

670
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,800
work in a little bit in one of 
the scenes, but we don't get to 

671
00:34:45,808 --> 00:34:48,600
do well, this shit's on that's 
curious because that's that 

672
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,400
voice. 
Mike. 

673
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,300
Would you often in just normal 
conversation Spike would do a 

674
00:34:53,308 --> 00:34:57,100
variation of that voice? 
Yeah you hear a lot and he just 

675
00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:02,200
does it all the time daddy. 
And he would do he would do the 

676
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,700
William mate voice that sellers 
would do? 

677
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,400
Yeah, I think I do. 
Why do I speak a bit about in as

678
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,100
well, for once before? 
When you see things like? 

679
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,600
I love that for us as well. 
Yeah, I've been watching you 

680
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,900
when you watch two spikes career
kind of go, right? 

681
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,200
He's got a few set voices that 
he just likes to do. 

682
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,400
If one of them is y'all, I'll 
make that kind of voice and then

683
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,000
you've got the kind of, um, a 
placement, a voice. 

684
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:29,400
And, and, and yeah, and yeah, 
getting to know many and Henry 

685
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,700
is just being loved those 
scenes. 

686
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:34,700
Yeah, it means there's endless. 
Seems that go on at them trying 

687
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:36,300
to open doors and going up and 
down. 

688
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,600
And then, they seem very useful 
despite because they didn't take

689
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,300
a lot of thought, in terms of 
writing, yes. 

690
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,500
Because a guy, imagine it was 
just written. 

691
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:52,700
You can tell they just 
improvised improvising and, and,

692
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,100
and yeah. 
So I've come to it, I've come to

693
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:58,400
the goons kind of Fairly fairly 
fresh and just been. 

694
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,000
Absolutely kind of bold over, 
really good. 

695
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,300
Just how have funny that I just 
yeah coming at it from an 

696
00:36:04,308 --> 00:36:07,900
actor's point of view. 
I just Little character touches 

697
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,300
that are in there. 
I just love, I just love that 

698
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:14,700
many calls, everyone buddy, and 
it's never explained, but she 

699
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:17,700
just likes to call everyone 
else, buddy, and, or is it 

700
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:18,600
explained? 
I don't know. 

701
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,400
Many is many is trying to stay 
hip. 

702
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:27,400
Yes, she's trying to be the 
1950s. 

703
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
She's trying to be down with the
kids or whatever the 1950s 

704
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:32,200
equivalent. 
Every doesn't like it. 

705
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:41,900
Diving in the, but the anything 
many is full of contradictions 

706
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,100
because, well, we know that 
she's a loose woman, we know 

707
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:45,400
that she's yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

708
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:49,000
She said, dalliances in the 
past, she's also very influenced

709
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000
by what she reads in the red 
Top's. 

710
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,100
You know? 
Salacious newspapers. 

711
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,600
Yes, they were all built. 
The kill us in our beds that 

712
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,800
happen. 
That's it, that's it. 

713
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,400
Yeah, yeah. 
She's a very complex character 

714
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,900
is Henry, is fairly one note, 
but well together. 

715
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,100
Yeah, wonderful. 
Have you had any real challenges

716
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:10,700
with this role in terms of 
anything that you really 

717
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:15,300
struggled to get over? 
I don't know if that's how the 

718
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:19,200
whole thing has been has been 
challenging and and it's been 

719
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,500
trying to find the kind of 
because spike is constantly 

720
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:25,700
firing jokes out to the show. 
It's trying to find a way of 

721
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:30,700
kind of doing that but also 
marrying it with him as a real 

722
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:32,600
person. 
So he's not just here, he comes 

723
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,900
and does a joke, joke, joke, 
joke joke. 

724
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,200
So I think that's been the kind 
of biggest Just kind of like, 

725
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,500
we're just, where does the real?
Spy Kendall performing Spike 

726
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:42,700
begin. 
Yes. 

727
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:44,700
And then there's been other 
challenges because Russia is 

728
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:48,200
actually really quite technical.
Is this is seems a summer seems 

729
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,900
quite short and snappy, and 
there's lots of, there's lots of

730
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:52,200
food. 
We have some kind of movement he

731
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,100
sections. 
And I'm Shelby, our movement 

732
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,000
advisor was sad, possibly not 
the greatest dancer in the 

733
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,600
world, but I'll try. 
I'll try God damn it. 

734
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,100
We've had like, dancey bits and 
kind of movement, he sex, yet. 

735
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:12,400
And where we try and you just 
quite hard to show writers on on

736
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,900
stage and on screen. 
It's kind of like that. 

737
00:38:13,908 --> 00:38:16,400
Here's a man staring at a 
typewriter so we try to do, 

738
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,800
we've tried to tell that in a 
kind of more interesting way. 

739
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,200
So we have some more kind of, 
and if and funny way as well, 

740
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,800
you know, to be of some kind of 
movement to b. 

741
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,700
B represents spikes, struggle 
with writing the script. 

742
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:31,800
So so those aspects have been 
have been quite challenging as 

743
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,400
well. 
But a spoke to John degli. 

744
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,200
She I think he said that he had 
to play the trumpet. 

745
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:37,900
And scene. 
Do you have to do that? 

746
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,300
I do but I only had it. 
I didn't have that. 

747
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:46,200
I think I think John may have 
had a little bit of practice 

748
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,000
before was I have not played the
trumpet. 

749
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,900
So what I will be honest, I mine
so I didn't want it. 

750
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:56,600
I didn't I didn't want to just 
play the trumpet badly or have 

751
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,000
the risk of pain. 
So I do mine but what I did do 

752
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,700
was try my best to figure out 
what the fingering would be and 

753
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:07,800
we had our tail, our music. 
Visor came and showed me how to 

754
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,500
hold the trumpet, what to do 
with your fingers. 

755
00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:14,100
So I've been practicing how to 
mine the trumpet but I don't 

756
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:16,400
actually play the trumpet. 
I think it's a step too far just

757
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,000
don't think I could have got 
good enough in the time scale 

758
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,100
that we that we had it's just 
safer for everyone to have it 

759
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,800
recorded his Spike. 
The brilliant Trumpeter and me 

760
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,600
again for yeah we played it's a 
farmer but yeah but I heard the 

761
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,800
joint did actually go to come 
back. 

762
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,000
Tim, you know, I dedicated actor
like Meryl Streep, then you 

763
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,100
don't polish and German to play 
again, Sophie's choice. 

764
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:47,300
No, I think a very myself that I
think of myself as very to Meryl

765
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:49,300
Streep of, of the touring 
circuit. 

766
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:54,500
No, it was just a step too far. 
I think we all agreed that it 

767
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:57,000
would be, which is absolutely. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

768
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,200
And and Indiana, Nick. 
If they, if they give me yours, 

769
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,000
I'm sure they have given you 
lots of guidance and support and

770
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,200
whatnot. 
They've been very helpful. 

771
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,900
They've been very kind of hands 
off actually. 

772
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:10,700
They've been lots of supports 
but they haven't, they haven't 

773
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:12,800
come in and said, oh, do it like
this? 

774
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,000
Or we think you should do it 
like that. 

775
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,500
They've been, they've been just 
this kind of very kind of 

776
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,300
benign. 
Friendly supportive presence, 

777
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:22,200
really have come along and just 
said yeah I love what you're 

778
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,700
doing. 
That's great carry on more of 

779
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,100
it, in fact. 
Yeah I think because of the 

780
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:27,700
time's going to like we were 
doing it over the summer. 

781
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:30,700
I think Nick was away and Ian 
had lots of private eye stuff 

782
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:33,300
going on so they weren't really 
there much in rehearsal and I 

783
00:40:33,308 --> 00:40:37,200
think they kind of came to the 
first night And they seem to be 

784
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,900
genuinely quite kind of 
genuinely, really pleased and 

785
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:43,600
happy with with kind of what 
we've done and how much it kind 

786
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,400
of expanded since because we've 
had to broaden it out. 

787
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,600
And we're playing to bigger 
houses now. 

788
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,400
So, yes, it's bigger. 
It's a bigger show than it was 

789
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:55,200
at the water mill. 
So I think they were, I think 

790
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,700
they were surprised at how much 
it has kind of changed and they 

791
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:01,600
were just nothing but nothing 
but lovely after the first show 

792
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,000
in Chapman last week so I think 
I think they're pleased with it.

793
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,400
Yeah. 
They've been living living 

794
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,100
lovely though way through. 
Yeah, have you been chained? 

795
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,000
Jamie. 
Yes, yes, I did. 

796
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,300
I had the pleasure of meeting 
Jane last week, which was too, 

797
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:16,700
which was slightly surreal. 
Yeah, you know, to just say 

798
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:18,500
hello, I've just been your dad 
for two hours. 

799
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,100
I hope you. 
I hope you enjoyed it. 

800
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:25,600
But again, she she was a joy and
I hadn't met it beforehand, 

801
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,400
which I think was probably 
right. 

802
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,400
I think it's probably right to 
just kind of, do your own, take 

803
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,900
on it and then and then kind of 
show it to her and say, I hope 

804
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:36,900
you like this and I think yeah, 
I think Don't you know she's 

805
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:39,200
gone through the wringer with it
a bit because like you say we 

806
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,300
don't we don't stint on the dark
side of it. 

807
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,900
So I think she said she 
described it as as kind of 

808
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,600
entertainment stroke therapy 
session for. 

809
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:51,100
So yeah, it was lovely, really 
lovely to me, and she's just, 

810
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:53,300
she's just lovely and she's, you
know, she's so great with the 

811
00:41:53,308 --> 00:41:56,700
legacy of her dad and how to 
handle that in a way. 

812
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:59,900
That's, you know, that's just 
open and joyous for everyone. 

813
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,600
So, yeah, it was just, yeah. 
It was love. 

814
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,600
It was lovely meeting you. 
Yeah. 

815
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,100
Yeah. 
I had the pleasure of 

816
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,000
interviewing a several months 
ago for this and I have to go 

817
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,000
back and listen to that one. 
And she's I mean she was great. 

818
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,400
She was a I think she'd be the 
first to admit that she was a 

819
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,700
bit cautious when she first 
started speaking to me because 

820
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,800
as you will probably know as 
well, Spike can attract a lot of

821
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,800
very popular guy. 
Very popular comedian. 

822
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:31,900
Yes but can attract some nutcase
as a gooks. 

823
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:34,000
I suppose. 
Yeah. 

824
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:36,100
And she didn't and and you know 
it's people. 

825
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,400
Very nice. 
That's unfair people who are 

826
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,900
very passionate, you know, yes, 
and yes, and I guess over the 

827
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:44,500
years Jane has been exposed to 
people who have maybe been a bit

828
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:47,700
sort of, you know, Ott in terms 
of their, their appreciation of 

829
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:48,600
Spike. 
Yeah. 

830
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,300
Okay. 
And so when she and I first 

831
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:52,700
started, talking about she was a
little bit guarded and little 

832
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:56,000
bit, you know, conversation 
slightly stilted. 

833
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,100
But then when it became clear 
that you know I knew what I was 

834
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:01,600
talking about. 
Really some of that she yeah she

835
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,900
relaxed and it was great and 
when she realized you were one 

836
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:09,800
of those Smack people. 
Yeah, but I wasn't going to ask 

837
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,900
you. 
So can you tell me why, despite 

838
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:18,800
do you touch the puppets? 
At one point? 

839
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,200
I might all inside with piggy, 
which I was told of, because 

840
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,700
it's sacred territory. 
You don't do that on. 

841
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:28,900
Put your arm in the pig. 
I found on, I found out, I think

842
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,500
that I didn't know this by think
spikes, grandson worked on the 

843
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:36,000
last episode of Gavin & Stacey 
we did as one of the as one of 

844
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,300
Kind of Runners backstage. 
I didn't know, I can't remember 

845
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:39,400
it. 
I don't know if I have his name 

846
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,700
tag and I need a little fact, 
there's an intersection which I 

847
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:44,000
didn't, I didn't actually know 
that. 

848
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,500
If that is true and spikes, 
grandson is listening to this, 

849
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:51,000
hello? 
Listen. 

850
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,100
Can I, uh, guilty off being too 
honest? 

851
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,300
Okay? 
And sometimes, you know, when 

852
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:00,300
people are into, you take it, 
Whatever. 

853
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,900
Whenever people are interviewed,
the interviewer will tend to be 

854
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:05,500
gushing about everything, okay? 
And I'm not going to be 

855
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,100
Critically it better just I'll 
just be honest about it. 

856
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,100
I've never seen an episode of 
Gavin & Stacey. 

857
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:11,200
Right. 
That's it. 

858
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,700
I'm sorry. 
I'm hanging up interview is 

859
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:17,400
over. 
That's absolutely fine. 

860
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,700
It is not completely you think 
from the levels of adoration it 

861
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:23,000
gets in the come in the country.
That is compulsory to watch 

862
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,600
Captain stays, but it is not, 
and that is fine. 

863
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,600
Tyler, don't have to have seen 
it, but I tell you what, I did 

864
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,800
really enjoyed and you were in 
Wolf Hall, and, and Peter Moon, 

865
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,800
which I love peterloo. 
Oh good. 

866
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,700
I'm glad because I felt like not
A people kind of got to see 

867
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:40,700
Peter Lewis and gets flooded 
affect the bit like and I was 

868
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:43,300
really, really proud of having a
small small part of it, but I 

869
00:44:43,308 --> 00:44:48,500
thought it was such a quite 
overwhelming experience to watch

870
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,200
and I loved my little bit of 
time on it and I really wanted 

871
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,800
more people to kind of embrace 
it and watch it. 

872
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,500
So it's always nice when anyone 
mentions they like me to do. 

873
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,900
I thank you very much. 
I believe what you're working 

874
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:00,300
on. 
Obviously, you got the play. 

875
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:04,400
But have you got any sort of 
anything booked for the next 12 

876
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,300
months in terms of film 
commitments, or A TV or no, no, 

877
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:10,800
this is it takes this big step 
to December. 

878
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:14,600
And then, as far as I know, 
nothing coming up after that, 

879
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,900
such as the way off the jobbing 
actor, I've got a few things 

880
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:20,300
that I filmed before this, that 
haven't come out yet. 

881
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,600
So the K and episode Veera which
is quite different to spike, 

882
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,800
really, the Brenda blethyn Jordi
crime, Extravaganza. 

883
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:37,200
And I did a little bit in a show
called pledge, And a bit in a 

884
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,500
show called Miss scarlet and the
Duke which is very good finest 

885
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,200
kind of like Victorian detective
drama. 

886
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,900
So I kind of did all those at 
the start of the year and then 

887
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:48,900
and then Spike and then spike is
come up in the state seems to be

888
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:51,000
up to the second half of the 
year and then we'll see what 

889
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,300
happens after that. 
Yeah, and I would have seen you 

890
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:56,900
without realizing it earlier 
this year, or late last year 

891
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:00,200
when I was re watching the film 
The life and death of Peter 

892
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,500
Sellers, you words the words, if
you did, maybe turned away 

893
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,000
slightly to drink your cup of 
tea. 

894
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:08,600
Ooh, you made, mr. 
It's really that much. 

895
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,000
I played motorcycle delivery, 
man. 

896
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:14,700
He's one of my one of my first 
early jobs and I deliver a 

897
00:46:14,707 --> 00:46:18,300
motorbike. 
There's a scene where it's, I 

898
00:46:18,308 --> 00:46:22,300
think this is based on reality. 
There's a scene where, what, and

899
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:24,800
of sellers kids, it's something 
like their ninth birthday and he

900
00:46:24,808 --> 00:46:30,500
sends them a motorbike an actual
motive, which is, which is, and 

901
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:34,200
I think it has to kind of sign 
for and looks absolutely bemused

902
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,400
that this present has arrived. 
Got a little scene with every 

903
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,400
monster and sellers and for all 
I basically said was signing a 

904
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,000
love. 
But some of the cast watched it.

905
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:46,800
I think Paddy playing BT. 
What? 

906
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,200
Watch the film and it's like, I 
didn't know you were in it. 

907
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,800
You use it but you appeared 
every month. 

908
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,000
Like yes. 
That was my, my turning Dory. 

909
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Yes. 
How dare you forget the pivotal 

910
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,000
role? 
Absolutely. 

911
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,400
Actual actually do not have 
noticed that I should re-watch 

912
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,100
that this afternoon. 
Yeah. 

913
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,500
And, which is interesting film. 
I don't know if I quite like, I 

914
00:47:04,508 --> 00:47:06,800
haven't watched it for since it.
Came out. 

915
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,700
I don't know if it quite works, 
but I feel like when I read the 

916
00:47:11,707 --> 00:47:13,500
script, I thought, oh, this is 
quite an interesting take, 

917
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:15,300
they've got on it, but then, 
when you watch it, I don't know 

918
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,700
if it quite works. 
I think it's just because the 

919
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:22,600
curse of Prosthetics to me, I 
kind of felt like, you didn't 

920
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,400
need all the, all the stuff to 
make him look like Peter 

921
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,700
Sellers. 
I just think I just would have 

922
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,800
liked to have seen more of 
Geoffrey Rush's face. 

923
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,000
Yeah, I then hiding behind all 
the Prosthetics but then again 

924
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:36,700
it's like Mark kermode says 
Rather. 

925
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,100
You know, you get agree or 
disagree with my camera, too 

926
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:45,000
many things, but he said, yea, 
rather that film aimed high in 

927
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,200
missed if you like, yes. 
Yeah. 

928
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,300
Try to play it safe. 
And I think it was a, it was 

929
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:52,500
quite a high concept. 
Yeah. 

930
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:53,900
Yeah. 
Ways with yeah. 

931
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:57,900
But it was trying to do. 
It didn't quite work but but 

932
00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:00,200
there was you know for people I 
made. 

933
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,400
There's a hell of a lot to 
enjoy. 

934
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:04,200
Yeah. 
Including a motorcycle Delivery 

935
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,100
Man including motorcycles 
delivery man. 

936
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:06,800
Yeah. 
I was. 

937
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,000
I was so cuz I I'd read the book
of my own because I went to a 

938
00:48:11,008 --> 00:48:13,800
little kind of teach ourselves 
Obsession phase. 

939
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,600
When I just realized, when you 
start, you know, start coming 

940
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,600
and when act and you just start 
realizing just how good he is. 

941
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,000
Yes, so I went through a real 
sellers phase. 

942
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:40,500
Sarah sellers. 
The seven-year-old say maybe one

943
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:48,800
day I'll teach you to ride. 
It love Daddy, but so Robert. 

944
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,000
Listen thank you so much for 
your time today. 

945
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:54,200
Thank you very much. 
I better do a quick plug come 

946
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,000
and see us on tour we're going 
all over Guilford Aylesbury 

947
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,300
Blackpool Glasgow where 
everywhere. 

948
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:05,200
So get on to spike the play 
.co.uk and come and see us. 

949
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:06,800
Sorry there's a bit of blatant 
plug. 

950
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,700
I thought I don't know what 
about t.i. was a To give you 

951
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:10,900
that I was about to, okay? 
Like you could give me a good 

952
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:14,700
never anyway but by the time so 
this episode will but the time 

953
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:16,800
this episode goes out, which 
will be in a couple of weeks, 

954
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,100
three or four weeks. 
It will be just I think you'll 

955
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:25,900
be playing Darlington. 
Okay, okay, so so now folks 

956
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:27,800
Robert listen. 
It's been a real pleasure. 

957
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,800
Thank you so much for sparing 
your time because I know that 

958
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,700
you're very, very busy and all 
the best with the rest of the 

959
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:37,000
the to thank you very much. 
Thank you. 

960
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,800
Tyler's been graduated ears. 
Thanks again to Robert next 

961
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,800
time. 
It's I'm all right, jack with 

962
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,800
comedian Meryl O'Rourke and 
until then as the knights draw 

963
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,900
energy, that gets chillier, 
remain upbeat and give thanks 

964
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:55,200
for Bankers bonuses and I'll see
you the same time next week.