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my lifetime of clicked on my 
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can't do this three or four 
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My daughter Jane was about six 
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This part is to call a Scottish 
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Up, yours. 
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You know, you pick them up like 
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So what about you me? 
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It seems having to walk the 
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Hello and welcome to goon pod. 
My name is Tyler Adams. 

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Now, if this is your first time 
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I just wanted to first of all, 
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that yes as it says on the 
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bends are need to what I 
consider to be the greatest 

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radio comedy series of all time.
If not, if not the greatest 

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comedy series. 
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otherwise, no, I won't. 
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Cover episodes of the Goon show,

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they are the Bedrock. 
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cover a lot more than just that 
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examine solo goon projects as 
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television programs books. 
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What the hell was he thinking? 
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poetry for children, Michael 
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Douglas, come along to talk 
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by Ian Hislop, and Nick Newman, 
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download and listen to and later
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this week. 
I have a very very special guest

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So, this week, I'm honored and 
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Hello Jane. 

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I, thank you so much for joining
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Well, thank you for asking me 
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of mine for a long, long time. 
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gratified that you've found the 
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So, Jane, obviously, I know that
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countless times about your dad, 
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straight up. 
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really sick and tired of being 
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what was it? 
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bit of that, the interviewer 
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mad, you know, crazy, right? 
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He was such a crazy guy and 
girl. 

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Lie. 
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humble way to keep the memory of
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late forties now, and I've had 
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12 months who have In either 
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either Spike fans or seller's 
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on Twitter and Social media. 
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loved and very much remember 
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calendars that Norma Barnes 
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spike. 
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whose habits, So many types of 
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of work. 
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exhibit on his life celebrating 
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some testing Absalom. 
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you know, just this year, we've 
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Newman and John daglish and and 
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the the play. 
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Who think you've worked with a 
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wrote the most recent version 
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adapted adapted. 
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obviously he's written for radio
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Elfin Oak. 
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Wow. 
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It's me. 
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of a jumping off point if you 
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friend of mine who's been a 
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Haskins, he supplied me with an 
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weird and old woman's Magazine 
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woman. 
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Yes goes. 
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supplied me with this at this 
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at least he supplied me with an 
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five or six pages of this June 
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an interview and I would imagine
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with your mum. 
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I suppose about your dad and how
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with you in your siblings. 
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little secret? 
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that's my marriage and I'm stuck
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recently. 
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and Milligan house. 
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Victorian fantasy and red brick 
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baronial. 
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I'm still not quite sure how 
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Spike would never buy a house 
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challenging. 
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if Jane our fourth and youngest 
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She receives. 
The last one came on her, eighth

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birthday folded in the heart of 
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Found by her bed when she woke 
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a magnifying glass to read it. 
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into the garden and search the 
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find a fairy present. 
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Birdcage to go and her charm 
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wanted to be taken somewhere on 
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the whole that? 
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We were all in our party gear. 
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telling me fairy, King telling 
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It was in the in a rose and the 
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down the Gardens of the rose 
bushes and searching for it, 

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finding it in, remember it very,
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Lee. 
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The Jews. 

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Did you ever you ever conscious 
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I think it was a gradual. 
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to understand the way that works
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television, going to the studios
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then you know, you get it as an 
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Is this right? 
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He appears here. 
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well-known person and known 
known by many for Being Korean 

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entertaining them. 
I mean, when I was growing up it

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was the 70s. 
So he was, he was very fighting 

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for the underdog, many 
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underdog and a campaigner for 
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with Friends of the earth and 
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He was heroic to me. 
I got that sort of inspired you 

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you've sort of inherited that. 
Yeah, that stuff in hand it 

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down. 
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Let's go to ask you a deed. 
Is this is there? 

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Do you feel you take more after 
Spike than you? 

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Do your mum or or vice versa? 
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have been present in me. 
Definitely, probably got both of

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them. 
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Woman in my godmother, said to 
me Mary Gilly at my godmother. 

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She said to me, Your mother was 
funnier Spike. 

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I loved that, but he was very 
funny lady, but I guess you 

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would have to be to marry spiked
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She was a Yorkshire lady 
no-nonsense, Taurus. 

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Oh I'd speak speaker, she finds?
Yeah, that's sort of Yorkshire 

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drama school Ram that out of her
but she was very strong towards 

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lady and dad was Was pretty 
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children, you know? 
Like, I'll let them stay up that

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kind of thing. 
Tickle, my suddenly cried, baked

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got an idea, you got an idea, I 
got an idea, I know a big strong

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ego called Jimmy's, my friend 
and he owes me money I'll go try

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and get him. 
Ding almost jumped up on the 

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ledge to and climbed the ivy on 
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All the way down to the ground. 
Hello. 

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Please. 
Hurry. 

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Morning from the children, 
giggle mouse ran as fast as he 

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could. 
He ran so fast his tail caught 

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fire, and he had to sit in a 
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out. 
I wonder what you mentioned 

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about some of his children's 
stories. 

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Yeah, I played your little bit 
of a picture I got into I first 

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discovered Spike through bed. 
Jerry the which, which was, 

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which was the earlier, 
obviously, was a stupid Talk 

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about it. 
I heard the he did an audio 

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version of a sentence and it was
an old pit was a record, wasn't 

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it? 
Yeah. 

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And I grew up in New Zealand and
they every Sunday morning they'd

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be like an hour-long kids 
program on the radio and say 

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yeah. 
From my good friend Nathan 

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Graves. 
Yeah okay yeah so that play was 

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almost like a it was like the 
radio station only had three 

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records though one was Captain 
be key and his band one was Was 

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The Tinderbox by Hans Christian 
Andersen. 

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I seem to remember and I would 
spark his magic piano and 

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bajjali and that journey I was 
absolutely obsessed by it. 

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When I was whatever age. 
I was five, six, seven, eight, 

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and and that was my into despite
Milligan. 

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And that was, that was only knew
him for the longest time. 

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But I still listen to that. 
Now, I still think it holds up. 

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It's a Story. 
Yeah it is it's quite successful

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over in New Zealand. 
Still goes out as a play and 

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someone's doing a like an 
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This summer. 
They want to do it again next 

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summer. 
Next year, she's 15. 

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Imagine oh wow. 
Yeah 73. 

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Yes of course. 
Yeah I mean it'd be great if we 

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could make a good big fuss of 
her next year. 

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I mean like everything Spike 
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it in many ways? 
And, and if you've got, you've 

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got God in it. 
You've got a witch who clearly 

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dies in very violent 
circumstances, but when I was a 

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kid, you never think of that. 
He's think this is fantastic. 

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It's just think this is well, 
out the biggest of all the good 

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guys, God, right? 
We'll put him in a starring 

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role, so yeah. 
Right? 

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If we did it on stage, we could,
if you could get spikes 

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voiceover to be God. 
Yes, the show. 

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Can? 
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 

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That. 
That was my first exposure to 

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the equals voice as well. 
Wow. 

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Vocal cords of a guard. 
My god, did he? 

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Um, did he tend to sort of walk 
around the house? 

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Doing voices many voices, many, 
many, many voices. 

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Children's. 
I mean, storytelling he would. 

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Do you do storytelling if he was
home at bedtime? 

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Yeah, amazing story telling but 
bad jelly is the culmination of 

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many, the honing of the bedside 
story for the kids. 

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You know, he obviously worked on
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definitive. 
But there were many made up of 

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the cuff stories that the 
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incredible because it's 
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Bedroom. 
This isn't the first house we 

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were in and story would be have 
drawings as well. 

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Tell still animating, you know 
doing amazing drawings at the 

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same time. 
So bad jelly came out of that, 

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all of that, my siblings before 
me and then the there were a few

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other stories I found in some 
boxes you know beginnings of The

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magic revolving, which that's 
what it sounds like. 

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It's going to be interesting and
version of Sleeping Beauty and 

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magic fairy story. 
And was the, there's dip the 

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puppy that was published. 
Yeah, excellent. 

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Yeah, this loads anyway, he's 
got a lot of other bits and 

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pieces that never published but 
we're hoping to see the say 

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about this Blackboard. 
I had Mark Thomas comedian Mark 

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Thomas as a guest previously and
He met Spike and number four, a 

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couple of occasions when you 
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his autograph and he said that 
spikes writing and I've seen 

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obviously I've seen spiders 
writing and his signature 

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particularly as it's like it was
just weeds. 

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We described it as like in it a 
small illustration is his 

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signature because it's so it is.
So when he's writing on the 

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Blackboard is he painstakingly 
writing like that old as it just

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a scroll like a cat? 
Those were just characters just 

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drawings of characters. 
Okay. 

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Yeah, it wasn't. 
There were there wasn't, I don't

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remember there being words, so 
characters. 

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Sure. 
Sure, sure. 

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Obviously, this is the podcast 
focused on the Goon show as 

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well. 
And you were born too late, the 

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Goon show but did you did you 
did you take to it? 

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Yes completely devoted and not 
very knowledgeable about all of 

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them but I love them. 
And I just click in just, you 

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know, have a list. 
Just love it, really? 

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Yeah, you know, I still think 
it's very current. 

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A lot of it is a lot of it is 
and I'm relisting to it to the 

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mall for the purposes of this. 
300 of them. 

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Yeah. 
Well they made three the 2250 

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something like that, but a lot 
of them of the early ones were 

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lost. 
Unfortunately. 

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Yeah. 
But the hundred and forty odd 

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that That remain. 
There's so you can get something

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out of every single show. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Oh God. 
Absolutely. 

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And the music jazz. 
I just love the Jazz. 

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Yes, it's just killer program, 
isn't it? 

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Yeah. 
Every every single aspect, every

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single performer, there wasn't a
week before, my they each had, 

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they each had a skill or skills 
and, and I'm what I've come to 

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appreciate more as a middle-aged
man, and I'm thinking Harry was 

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fantastic. 
Yeah. 

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Harry Harry was great and what a
great guy. 

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Real level level level and guy, 
wasn't he the calming leveling 

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influence? 
Did you did you meet obviously 

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it meant peterman's Harry, but 
did they did they visit 

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regularly? 
Did you see them regularly 

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Northern SRI Sai sort of several
times in my life? 

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So there weren't regulars. 
I mean Peter was in l.a. by the 

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time I was I was growing up I 
mean I think they were all 

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around me going I was really 
It'll but certainly Harry. 

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We went to visit them in New 
York and we came to the house 

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for dinner. 
We met them in restaurants. 

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Yeah, I probably saw them. 
You know, maybe eight ten times 

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Harry. 
I know his son is two sons and 

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two daughters. 
I know them all well Jenny, 

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unfortunately up obviously as 
yeah, Peter was a bit more 

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distant but I think I remember 
there being dinners and 

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get-togethers and Stare at your 
phone calls and appearances on 

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various TV and film sets seeing 
them together there. 

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Yeah, he really, he was very sad
when Peter died and bury it. 

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You just lost Patti and Peter in
the space of three years. 

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And that was a ceiling, a 
glowing glow. 

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Good, good buddies. 
They were great buddies. 

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Deep good buddies. 
All three of them vent will not 

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so much. 
That wasn't that friendly with 

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dentine. 
There's a lot of competition 

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animals. 
Yeah, it's the difficult. 

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Clear. 
Why the reasons? 

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Why my own team left the goons? 
That was never quite clear but I

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think it was competitiveness, a 
lot of it. 

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Yeah. 
And it appeared like Benton was 

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very talented and Brilliant and 
very wealthy from a very wealthy

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background. 
But him several times I can 

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remember him being very warm and
funny. 

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Yeah, I would. 
Imagine that your dad's politics

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of Mike's politics, were poles 
apart as well. 

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I think so. 
I would imagine that would also 

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be a factor. 
Yeah, sure. 

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Maybe they were both quite Alpha
maybe there wasn't room for both

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of them. 
Sure. 

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For sure. 
It was 50 years ago, two weeks 

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ago, that the recording of the 
last goon show of all occurred 

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because it's about another Week 
28 was the very first airing of 

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the crazy people. 
That's right. 

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Yep. 
So likes youngest grandson 

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birthday strangely. 
All right. 

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Yeah. 
Callum is the youngest 

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grandchild. 
And that's his birthday. 

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He's a, he's a musician. 
Like his Grand that. 

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He's a good drummer. 
Great job. 

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So what are the grandchildren 
make of spikes Legacy? 

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They? 
They carefully weighed through. 

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It's been up and down because, 
you know, they knew him as 

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little people, they, you know, 
they spent quite a lot of time 

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going down to visit Grandpa and 
Rye or he came to see them in 

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Barnet, you know, there were 
Christmases and Easter's and 

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birthdays, all that till I think
the eldest was about and when 

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Grandpa died, they're a little 
older. 

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Sorry, I'm not, I'm getting that
wrong. 

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There are a bit older than that,
but they definitely hung out. 

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Together and loved him and they 
all got on great and he was a 

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great sweet older guy older man 
than you quite delicate in his 

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final years but just adorable 
wonderful to be around. 

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Oh yeah, they got a big day. 
Had a good girl in there. 

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Grandad, he has a very special 
relationship with his 

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granddaughter Georgia who lives 
in Sydney, J and Georgia, or 

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the, the children of my big 
sister Laura, right. 

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Jay and Georgia Georgia would 
come out. 

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Quite a bit you know that they 
that they also saw the ground 

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that a lot and special times 
because they were just there for

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three weeks. 
You know, whatever and Georgia, 

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and Grandpa were really tight. 
She was a beautiful little 

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blond-haired. 
Princess, beautiful girls 

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strong, you know what you want 
to be, grow up, Georgia, I want 

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to be a general. 
It's three years old, he does 

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hated that Spike hated military.
Preity. 

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But yes, she and he got on 
great. 

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He used to have eggs on toast 
together. 

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Hang out. 
So he was a little grandpa with 

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the kids but in terms of now and
it got very messy through, you 

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know that the final years of 
granddaddy was poorly and and 

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hit and Sheila is his third wife
was struggling to deal with it 

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and it was it was they stayed 
away a bit and then post spikes 

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death. 
It's pretty ugly, probably wise.

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So I would imagine that I'm a 
bit of a bitter taste about 

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having this legendary Granddad 
you know when you grow up in the

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environment of a well-known 
person you don't saturate 

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yourself in their material like 
fans or general public might 

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because it's your family and the
work is there its presence in 

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it's all around you and you do 
of course experience a lot of it

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and a lot of poems test it out 
on you and stories. 

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Things like that. 
But at the same time they're not

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they don't really they probably 
don't listen to the Goon shows 

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as a matter of course or listen,
all know about his music or you 

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know, but they know he was at 
SuperDuper special human being 

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because they saw Prince, Charles
give him a Knighthood, it 

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Clarence House. 
So something good is going. 

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They all wearing their little 
suits and bowties there was 

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there was no animosity from 
Charles about the growing little

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bastard line than none 
whatsoever. 

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He actually it was at first a 
bit of a bubbles in it. 

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Yeah. 
Remember that moment where it 

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burst the bubble in the room 
when they but he said it just 

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very quickly and the whole room 
was the moment, it's like 

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something burst. 
Somebody said something about 

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the king you, but if anybody was
going to say, it's got to be the

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Court Jester. 
And that Spike, isn't it? 

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Yeah, it wasn't. 
Was it just was a purely off the

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cuff or had he kind of he was 
pissed. 

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He had been living there. 
Drinking wine on his own on an 

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empty stomach at 80 odd. 
Whatever he was right? 

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Yeah. 
And and with the award, I think 

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it's one of those ones that they
tell you beforehand, you're 

455
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,300
going to get it because it was a
lifetime achievement, so he 

456
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:15,500
probably had a few words 
somewhere in his head, but he 

457
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:17,700
sat there drinking wine till the
end of the three. 

458
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:23,800
Our bloody filming, you know, 
but I had to speak and genuinely

459
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,700
I could see him struggling with 
embarrassment apart from the 

460
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,700
fact is Probably wobbling on his
pins and starving hungry. 

461
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,600
He got his hanky out several 
times. 

462
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,700
And I know that thing, you know,
he was embarrassed, he didn't 

463
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:40,100
like, Jonathon Ross. 
He made that quite clear. 

464
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:45,600
And as the letter began to be 
read from Prince Charles, it 

465
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,800
just came out and it was just 
spontaneous and Brilliant. 

466
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Mmm? 
Right on time. 

467
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Everybody loved it and it's 
funny. 

468
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,500
It's what people remember him 
for that. 

469
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,700
And I told you I was ill. 
I just going to say it's I told 

470
00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:59,800
you I was ill and the Prince 
Charles quip. 

471
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,600
Yeah, so yeah, and and also very
another weird thing that's 

472
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,400
happened and it happened when 
the pandemic sort of in, its 

473
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,600
full thing last year with you 
before the poem, the smile 

474
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,500
started doing the rounds on 
social media and stuff. 

475
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,100
And now Spike didn't write that 
poem, but it had been attributed

476
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:22,900
to him and it had kind of 
pandemic. 

477
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,500
It had virus in it. 
Let's it's about smile to bread,

478
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:28,300
spread a smile. 
Around the world and everybody 

479
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:30,000
will catch. 
Catch it. 

480
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:33,000
And spikes name is on the bottom
of this poem. 

481
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,500
People just sending it to made 
sending it everywhere. 

482
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,600
It wasn't even by him. 
The people people think it is, 

483
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,900
it's needs to be the Jazz all 
bruh, who wrote it. 

484
00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:49,600
It's a bit of a slap in the face
but the do our best to try and 

485
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,200
rectify it that it's that it 
wasn't ours, see? 

486
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Leo wasn't so sure, you know, 
whether it belonged to spike or 

487
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,700
not, people wouldn't have done 
and I said, no, I just didn't 

488
00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:02,600
feel like it was his poem. 
No way. 

489
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,300
I would have known about it as a
kid. 

490
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:07,400
Yeah. 
Some of my favorite of his 

491
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:13,000
creativity is just, as poetry. 
I think it is astonishing the 

492
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,000
poem. 
Some of them. 

493
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,300
I think they're incredible. 
I think they're just like this, 

494
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:21,600
so healing. 
But could because it's my dad 

495
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,500
and I understand his language, 
but I just haven't poems, are 

496
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:31,500
off the charts. 
Funny, cute touching movie. 

497
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:39,500
Can you hear my dog going crazy?
And my son was born. 16 years 

498
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:44,400
ago, we were given a book of 
sort of, I don't know. 

499
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,000
First thoughts, you know, for 
new parents to write thoughts 

500
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,600
and jot down whatever about New 
baby and I was sat in the 

501
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,500
hospital with this tiny little 
creature. 

502
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:59,900
That was only hours old. 
I was just thinking I want to 

503
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:03,700
write something in this book. 
I didn't want to write the first

504
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:07,900
thing that came into my head was
that Spike poem? 

505
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,900
Try to think how it goes now. 
My darling little baby. 

506
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:16,300
I wonder what he'll be prime 
minister of Denmark or the king 

507
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:21,400
of Italy. 
I waited 20 years to see what he

508
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,100
would be. 
He's now a dustman and chizik. 

509
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:34,000
Oh, Deary Deary me. 
So lovelies. 

510
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:38,800
His Mastery of words, I think 
I'm mad, don't you? 

511
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:50,200
You paid to come in. 
Maverick off of a famous 

512
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,900
Gunslinger partner. 
Maverick prowls had rumbling 

513
00:31:54,900 --> 00:32:00,700
bowls but under the night it 
took the bedrooms all around and

514
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:04,100
gave the poker face, the doctor 
called he was appalled. 

515
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,600
When through his stethoscope, he
heard the sound of a baby home 

516
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:11,000
and the acrid smell of smoke 
yesterday. 

517
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,400
Thought you've been in Cotton 
Asiatic, flu, you mustn't go 

518
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,800
need dogs aisyah, unless they 
come near you, I want to talk 

519
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,000
very funny after that just 
creation. 

520
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,200
Just I mean I'm Swimming in it. 
And I because we've got this the

521
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,000
lodge Cottage on the estate 
Avenue house, that's operating 

522
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,700
as an alphas and storage and 
and, and the beginnings of this 

523
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:39,500
exhibit and it's just full of 
goodies. 

524
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:44,400
Goodness stuff, poetry books. 
That is great music, paintings 

525
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:48,200
collections, his archaeology 
these the dig the stuff, you 

526
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,300
know his clothes. 
I've got all these lovely 

527
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:54,800
performing shirts. 
And his dance, been three piece 

528
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,200
suit and his is beautiful. 
Susie got married in. 

529
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,400
Got I got his energy all around 
and it's, it's wonderful, it's 

530
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,000
great stuff. 
You know, I hope we can do a 

531
00:33:06,008 --> 00:33:08,500
good thing with this exhibit. 
Oh, great. 

532
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,800
Just on his clothes you will 
have seen because you were to 

533
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,700
get retweeted. 
It did a tweet a couple of weeks

534
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:19,000
ago about the famous jumper that
Spike War for the last future of

535
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000
all, which also he wore in the 
man about the house movie. 

536
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,600
Oh God. 
Test it. 

537
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,900
Yeah. 
Is that still? 

538
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:29,400
Is that still around? 
I haven't seen it but 

539
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,000
unfortunately a lot stuff did 
go. 

540
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,900
Yeah, you know, Sheila his wife 
probably wanted to keep it and 

541
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:42,000
wear it I would imagine. 
Now you do when someone dies I 

542
00:33:42,008 --> 00:33:45,300
mean I bought a jumper recently 
was just like one of his old 

543
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:49,600
jumpers I realize I've done it 
sort of somehow without 

544
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,500
realizing. 
Yeah he had some iconic 70s 

545
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:59,800
gear, exhibited suit, and tie 
down and caps. 

546
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,700
You like to wear a cap to me. 
Yeah, there was a styles that I 

547
00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:06,100
think normally is to have the 
made by a guy. 

548
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:12,800
Do I look like a black corduroy?
There was a period in because of

549
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,699
obviously seen and heard a lot 
of interviews from Spike from 

550
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:19,100
over the years and there was a 
period. 

551
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:23,000
Instead, I want to say sort of 
mid 70s where he called everyone

552
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,400
dead. 
For a while. 

553
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:26,500
That it was Daddy. 
Daddy. 

554
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:30,400
Yeah. 
Daddy fce was the Jasmine was 

555
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000
going to Ronnie Scott's every 
night of the week and listening 

556
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,500
to the world's finest musicians 
and having dinner there, and 

557
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:38,699
then driving home. 
Probably on a bottom of matches.

558
00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:46,500
Rosie daddy excruciating the 
embarrassing, but you really do 

559
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:50,000
dancing and Shout. 
Yeah, Daddy in the middle of it.

560
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,800
Please. 
Stop it. 

561
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,100
Make it stop. 
You know, cool dad but he was 

562
00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:02,200
Bloody cool actually. 
Yeah, what are you doing now, 

563
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,500
Daddy, I'm a painter. 
Doing good. 

564
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:09,200
Yes, it played out the waiting 
game, paid off and the waiting 

565
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,600
game paid off. 
He was studying architecture, I 

566
00:35:13,607 --> 00:35:16,400
think but you weren't studying 
architecture. 

567
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,000
You were studying. 
For either Captain for this. 

568
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,700
Okay? 
Okay. 

569
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:38,700
Daddy or sweat on their to tell 
us about yourself - very sweetly

570
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,700
moved? 
His office is working operation 

571
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:47,100
back home. 
When Paddy died to be around for

572
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:54,200
me, Show. 
And so I'm sort of every day. 

573
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:55,900
Pretty much she was upstairs 
writing. 

574
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,800
We had enough room for him to do
that, but you loved writing this

575
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,800
bedroom. 
You know, it's pretty quite 

576
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,200
disciplined. 
Yeah. 

577
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Because I don't think, during 
the Goon show Heyday, he would, 

578
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,800
he was very disciplined, from 
what I've read in terms of, he 

579
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:17,700
would go into the office into a 
ALS and do a full day's work. 

580
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,800
And sometimes get the last tube 
home and you know, there was no 

581
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,500
sort of slacking know his dad 
and mom had a very strong work 

582
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:29,500
ethic I think despite living in 
probably quite luxurious 

583
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:33,000
scenarios out in India and that 
hmm. 

584
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:36,800
Granddad. 
Grandpa Milligan was a writer, I

585
00:36:36,808 --> 00:36:40,600
don't know what articles and 
articles about things. 

586
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:46,200
He was a he was a discipline man
and my grandma was very 

587
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,500
efficient house. 
Life, you know, mother very 

588
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,200
together woman. 
So yeah, yeah, he's certainly 

589
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,300
learned his. 
I think you can't get anywhere 

590
00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:01,500
without really working very hard
and he was not shy of that. 

591
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:05,800
In, you know, we were all out 
working when we were 16, I 

592
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,500
think, Not that he was making 
us. 

593
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:12,500
It's just, he just instilled an 
ethic in you to just go and get 

594
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:14,900
it go and get life go and get 
it. 

595
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:18,200
It's amazing. 
You know, go out there and get 

596
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,500
it. 
There's a couple of owners, get 

597
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:22,200
a couple of quite specific 
questions. 

598
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,100
If you don't mind which you may,
you may not be able to answer to

599
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:28,400
be fair, but it just want to ask
you just in case to your 

600
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,000
knowledge did even talk much 
about Larry Stevens. 

601
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:37,100
Not really to me, but the name 
I've heard in conversation, of 

602
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:39,100
course, I know who Larry Stevens
his butt. 

603
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Yeah, it's a tragic story, isn't
it? 

604
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,900
Yeah. 
And and it's kind of you kind of

605
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:49,600
get the feeling from what I've 
read, that Spike was, never 

606
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,900
fully sort of reckoned, not 
reconciled with Larry, but I 

607
00:37:51,908 --> 00:37:55,000
think there was the kind of 
David fall at fall in and fall 

608
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:01,800
out with each other and yeah, I 
just wondered whether because I 

609
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,500
know Peter Sellers was very much
moved and affected by Larry's, 

610
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,500
death, premature death and just 
wonder whether spiked him and 

611
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:14,500
sort of I'm sure I mean Spike 
had lost people close. 

612
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:19,100
They were I don't know how close
he was at the end of Larry's. 

613
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:23,600
Like I don't know. 
Sure laughter. 

614
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,300
Okay, this one. 
Do you remember him being on The

615
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:28,000
Muppet Show? 
Yes. 

616
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:32,100
Yes, Spike. 
And the Muppet Show is filmed in

617
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:33,900
elstree. 
So it's quite near our home. 

618
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,500
Don't know Morgan and it wasn't 
long after Patty had died and I 

619
00:38:38,508 --> 00:38:41,900
think he invited me and my best 
buddy at the time. 

620
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:44,500
Lea to go for the day to 
elstree. 

621
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:47,300
Great. 
Maybe you've done a few days but

622
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:51,400
I'd certainly went on the 
weekend and I met all the And I 

623
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,000
stopped mind-blowing a 
mind-blowing time. 

624
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:56,800
Well, so you're actually there 
to see it filmed. 

625
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,600
Yes, I was that sounds like and 
there met, you know, I touch the

626
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,300
puppets, at one point, I put my 
arm inside Miss Piggy, which I 

627
00:39:07,308 --> 00:39:09,600
was told off because it's sacred
territory. 

628
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,600
You don't do that. 
You don't put your arm in the 

629
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,200
pig. 
So, yeah, it's only 11:00. 

630
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,800
It was real, I've got a 
photograph in the somewhere 

631
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,300
actually. 
Yeah. 

632
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,100
But me with Boise bear. 
Well. 

633
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:27,400
Yeah, because he's because he's 
on that shit. 

634
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,300
If you watch that show in recent
years, I often dip into it 

635
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:37,200
because it's quite a good way of
showing people what he was like.

636
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:45,800
Very quickly, but he's, as like,
he's on, he's on amphetamines or

637
00:39:45,808 --> 00:39:48,900
something. 
He's even Spike, he's hundred 

638
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:50,800
miles an hour, isn't it? 
It's fantastic. 

639
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:57,700
He's so, it's really, I think, 
I'm grateful and it's funnier 

640
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:02,300
than they are much food. 
Yeah, and I gather am I right in

641
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:06,800
saying that he kind of put 
himself forward for the Muppet 

642
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,500
Show rather than he wasn't asked
so much. 

643
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:11,300
He he, he asked to be on that, 
right? 

644
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,100
No, I've no idea too young to 
know about that quite likely. 

645
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,900
Yeah, it's like wasn't if you 
wanted to do something to eat. 

646
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:24,100
Ring up and say can I do it? 
Yeah, I thought if you went on 

647
00:40:24,107 --> 00:40:26,500
Before Peter or after pizza but 
they both did it. 

648
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,000
Yeah. 
Peter I think of it I think 

649
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:38,000
Spike was 79 sounds was 78. 
I think what about Spike sort of

650
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,900
cultural diet in terms of 
getting get it as we're getting 

651
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:44,900
into the 80s. 90s, you know what
was what did he did? 

652
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:46,800
He go to the cinema much did he 
watch? 

653
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:50,900
Did he like TV shows much today?
I know we like flywheel shyster 

654
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:54,100
and flywheel on the radio. 
What was what was he into? 

655
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:56,000
What sort of things to under one
very much? 

656
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,300
We would go to Ronnie Scott's 
quite regularly and listen to 

657
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:02,500
Jazz, right? 
And then he occasionally takes 

658
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:05,600
to a classical concert went to 
quite a lot of classical music. 

659
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:08,900
Okay, ballet, we went to the 
ballet, we went to the Opera, 

660
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,900
went to the theater, right? 
It was a lot of culture going 

661
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,300
on. 
Yeah, lot of museums. 

662
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:19,100
We've got a lot of museums and 
he did like watching TV but it 

663
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:22,600
was Massive. 
You know, just what we would sit

664
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,000
down as a family. 
Well, what was left? 

665
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:31,000
You know, people have left home 
by then adults but me my dad, my

666
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:39,600
nana and my stepmom would watch 
Dallas right shreds and that 

667
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:42,700
Miracle, you know, he was very 
good at doing commentary. 

668
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:46,600
That was supremely. 
His theory is that it's with 

669
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,900
induce hysteria in the room. 
Crying. 

670
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:55,400
So television, that was kind of 
oh, Andy and I used to like, to 

671
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,800
watch how the house of horror on
Friday nights and Saturday 

672
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,600
nights. 
I'd make these jellies and we'd 

673
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,600
eat jelly, and watch our house. 
Are we love that? 

674
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,400
And you'd also commentate a bit 
on that, which was funny from 

675
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,100
from interviews. 
I've seen, including the, with 

676
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:17,700
Jonathan Ross, he was pretty 
dismissive of of alternative, 

677
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:23,900
comedy did Because you would 
have been the right age to have 

678
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:26,900
been really interesting as all 
the other ones I want is very 

679
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:28,700
much. 
I did observe, him being 

680
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:33,700
extremely dismissive of anyone 
that used toilet humor and 

681
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:38,900
sexual humor, as as funny 
because it was right in a way. 

682
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:41,500
It didn't, you don't need to do 
that. 

683
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:46,200
And I think, if you look at 
Eddie Izzard or Palmerton 

684
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:50,100
toilet, him is not present. 
It's just way out there. 

685
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,800
Seriously, sir, Ellen very 
funny, hmm. 

686
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,900
It was just sort of snot and 
shagging and stuff that he was 

687
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,100
disappointed. 
That it wasn't funny. 

688
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,300
He said this isn't funny toilet.
You it's not funny and I kind of

689
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:10,700
got it, you know. 
And it's a lot of cheesy Stuff 

690
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:14,600
as well, wasn't there? 
And a lot of racist stuff really

691
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:21,500
bad, you know, doing Davidson 
really bad racism Spike? 

692
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:27,000
Even though Spike has had a bit 
of a kicking, since this awoke 

693
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,000
situations going on, he was 
racist and apart from him saying

694
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,900
what's I'm not racist. 
I hate everybody. 

695
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:37,600
He was born in India, spoke 
fluent, Hindi and it felt like a

696
00:43:37,607 --> 00:43:43,500
native Indian and didn't really 
wasn't thinking for him. 

697
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:47,000
No, anyway, so yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

698
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,300
Spike Spike and modern younger 
comedians, there were the odds, 

699
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,600
the One that he loved, you know,
is a guy called called Steve 

700
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,100
Smith. 
If I got that right and American

701
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:05,200
way out Steve Smith, Oh not I 
think I know who you mean. 

702
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,100
Quite a long face and cook talk 
quite slowly. 

703
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,500
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

704
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:12,900
What's it called? 
People like, it's been not might

705
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,300
know someone Steve, right? 
Steve, Steven Reich. 

706
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:20,700
Stephen, right. 
I think that's it. 

707
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,700
That thought he was fantastic. 
I love Groucho Marx, you know, 

708
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:26,100
w.c. 
Fields. 

709
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:28,800
He thought those people were 
hysterically for me. 

710
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,400
That's albums. 
Comedy albums. 

711
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,500
Jimmy Durante. 
This is this a sketch word 

712
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:43,000
power. 
From Milligan preserved, which 

713
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,800
is Spike talking to Valentine 
dial. 

714
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:48,800
I think probably. 
Yeah. 

715
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,300
And it's the one of the funniest
sketches ever committed to vinyl

716
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,400
or anywhere any medium. 
I think it's really, really 

717
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,800
funny. 
You know, the one. 

718
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,700
I mean, I don't, I would sorry. 
The album, elegant preserved. 

719
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:03,000
I dunno know. 
This ketchup can't say I can 

720
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,600
pick it out, but I know the 
album. 

721
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,100
Yeah, mr. 
Quirk yes, I believe you have a 

722
00:45:07,107 --> 00:45:11,000
very interesting Hobby. 
I believe I have to. 

723
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,700
Yes, yes, studies. 
The pronunciation of words, I 

724
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,200
learned out a perp renowned. 
Mmm. 

725
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,400
What words do take most 
interested? 

726
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:26,200
Oh, do you a large graph to the 
family size? 

727
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,400
You know, I I've measured some 
with a little slider, first 

728
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:35,700
one's about two and a quarter is
the right size for debrett, you 

729
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:40,400
know, they're sort of the 
epitome Home of 

730
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,800
learning-centered must be 
Haiti's. 

731
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,800
Yeah. 
Could you demonstrate one of 

732
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,100
these words for us? 
Yeah. 

733
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:51,400
Sure. 
Oh, bleep. 

734
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,600
Rajid are 0 p+? 
I think that's an Irish one 

735
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,500
side, the o,'? 
Yes, no budget. 

736
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:02,400
What does it mean? 
Who would deny what? 

737
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,700
I mean sir, I takes me home. 
A hard time to learn and 

738
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,300
terroristic. 
Walk where do you use these 

739
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:11,800
words? 
Most Stowaway indoors under 

740
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,600
covers her to the demo and a 
thing. 

741
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,500
I know. 
I know. 

742
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:20,100
I never says, on Mondays a frost
about, oh my god. 

743
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:23,000
Well, I don't know. 
I don't like Taking Chances with

744
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,100
them. 
You see I mr. 

745
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:27,100
Corrigan. 
When you that's it, that, that 

746
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:29,300
is a superb album. 
I mean, it's a work of art 

747
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:34,300
really got to listen to again 
because my mom singing on fun. 

748
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:37,700
And that's right. 
Yes, she is course, I've 

749
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:39,800
listened to that. 
There were times, I'm sure. 

750
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:42,100
Listen to the guide man, as well
Spike. 

751
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,600
And she listened to it for that 
guy here. 

752
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:48,200
The guy on the album. 
Was he who? 

753
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,000
Yeah, he was pretty good. 
It's funny too. 

754
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:58,600
She was really funny yet. 
She was much funnier than your 

755
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,200
father. 
Did you did you? 

756
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,800
And he have many major not, I 
don't mean arguments. 

757
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,700
But did you did you disagree 
about lots of things? 

758
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,800
Once we had one, Thing. 
Hmm. 

759
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,800
And that was because I nearly 
overflowed the bath and I was 

760
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,400
like 13. 
Hello got really cross because I

761
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,300
think Patti used to do it. 
She had died but I think she 

762
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:25,300
used to do it. 
She's to forget the bath was 

763
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:26,800
running. 
When do we lived in this house? 

764
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:31,200
Had five laws and we were I was 
on the third floor so I'd come 

765
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,500
downstairs. 
If the bloody bars running And 

766
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:39,000
it nearly went over, it didn't 
go over but I think the reason 

767
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,600
why he got cross he came running
up, speaking up the stairs said 

768
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:49,900
well pull your socks up. 
That was my telling off, I never

769
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:55,800
had any other tellings off. 
Wow it was an exasperated phone 

770
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:03,000
call when I was skint and 23 and
I got my own flat and think I'd 

771
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,600
run up about 3,000 pounds. 
Worth of debt, right? 

772
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:10,000
Buying tools, and trying to 
decorate, you know, and then the

773
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,900
show I was working on a closed. 
I think you got a bit 

774
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,700
exasperated with me and said 
that rain, could you get it like

775
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:23,300
get a normal job and I had to 
say you're sitting, you are 

776
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:28,300
saying that to me, you used to 
play the trumpet in a Cupboard, 

777
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:32,000
Under the Stairs, practicing in 
the house in depth. 

778
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,700
Look at for the whatever you 
telling me I should have known. 

779
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,000
Shelby. 
It's very funny. 

780
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,200
You know, could be a job 
laughing about that because you 

781
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,700
knew it was impossible. 
Was that sort of rare glimpses 

782
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:47,200
of him having to be an adult. 
Yeah, he yeah, he was good at 

783
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,700
being an adult. 
He's very good at say, ran an 

784
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:56,000
incredible home family, it did 
so well for everyone. 

785
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,400
He, you know, he he was very 
good, a dolt, he tried so hard 

786
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,700
to stay fit and well for us all,
you know, and all the time he 

787
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:09,500
was dealing with quite a 
sensitivity that was very hard 

788
00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:11,200
in this tough old world, you 
know. 

789
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,800
So people often think he was the
norm around everything and you 

790
00:49:16,808 --> 00:49:21,200
know, he was a crazy man. 
But mmm, Faith in people. 

791
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:27,700
A lot of people say he was 
crazy, you know what mad crazy 

792
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:32,200
living with your dad, you know, 
I think the Daily Mail did their

793
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,800
best Shane him just after he 
died by telling the story of 

794
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,100
Spike trying to kill sellers 
with a potato. 

795
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:43,000
Peeler, do you back? 
That was a potato peeler, you 

796
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:49,500
know, come on people like to get
this image of him as a Madman 

797
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:53,400
blow in his difficult to deal 
with. %. 

798
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:57,600
I look through his history as a 
creative and who he was up 

799
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,300
against at the BBC and what he 
was up against. 

800
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,600
And I look at the damage that he
went through World War Two as a 

801
00:50:03,607 --> 00:50:07,900
young Soldier, being injured and
losing people. 

802
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:13,500
And all of that this man was not
mad, he was just very bright, 

803
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:17,200
very sensitive. 
And he was dealing with life 

804
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,300
best he could. 
So the misconception that he was

805
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:24,400
not an interview, he suffered 
incredible damage in World War 

806
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,000
Two, you read his War Diaries 
and you hear him talking about 

807
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,400
it, you know, it was being shot 
at he was bleeding from the 

808
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,400
backside at the time. 
He had horrendous piled and 

809
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,900
yeah, really sick. 
If he'd been on duty for like 

810
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:44,600
three days with no sleep, he was
up a Mountainside in Italy. 

811
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:51,400
He got blown up and being lost 
people and he ended up at that 

812
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,700
delicate injured soul in a camp 
somewhere. 

813
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,300
It was damaged poor damaged 
nowadays people get millions for

814
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:02,600
that. 
It's called PTSD and we entry 

815
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:06,800
and thousands and hundreds of 
thousands of these young boys. 

816
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:10,800
Very damaged and the area Spike 
hit the Limelight and he was 

817
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:17,300
dealing with are assholes at the
BBC bad stuff. 

818
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:22,100
What, who, what is this? 
Go on show, and it was still 

819
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,300
present and still ruining 
people's lives? 

820
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:29,900
So know that misconception that 
he's nuts. 

821
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:32,800
I like that chucked out because 
I think he's done some. 

822
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,100
He's explored areas of 
imagination and given us 

823
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:40,200
creativity like Van Gogh would 
give paintings to the world. 

824
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,700
I think spikes comedy and poetry
lit up. 

825
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,900
This world could give him 
everything, but he's my dad. 

826
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:52,800
So I would, absolutely, I would 
say four things that he's given 

827
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,900
the world that I would cherish 
forever. 

828
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,900
So there's there's To get a show
off your sleep. 

829
00:51:59,300 --> 00:52:06,500
There's pakkun which I love 
there's is poetry There's the 

830
00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:10,600
bed sitting room. 
All right, the film of which I 

831
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,200
think is sorely sorely 
underrated, really? 

832
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,500
Yeah, I think that's fantastic. 
I've covered that on this 

833
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:21,200
podcast as well. 
We've just had it turned into a 

834
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,100
musical, John. 
Actually, this came to me just 

835
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:25,600
after Norma died said, can we do
something about this? 

836
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:29,700
Wow, well I introduced him to a 
man called Julian. 

837
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:32,400
Lippmann is great position. 
Yeah. 

838
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:36,500
And they've got together and 
they hit it off and they Eleven 

839
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:40,700
songs in like four days. 
Five days has on a joke John 

840
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:44,000
introduces in his 80s. 
Now he is amazing. 

841
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,100
You wouldn't think it catch it 
while you can. 

842
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:52,900
My God was incredible. 
You know, it was damaged in his 

843
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:55,800
50s and spike said, you got to 
go to AA man. 

844
00:52:55,900 --> 00:53:01,400
Daddy, and he saw himself out 
and he's been clean for 50 

845
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,900
years. 
He said something like that, 

846
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,200
right? 
He came to us and said, look, 

847
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,400
I've got this piece of work and 
we do something with it. 

848
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:15,500
We can we do coming and it all 
worked out and we'd like to put 

849
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:19,100
it on. 
So that's alive and well. 

850
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:22,900
The bed sitting room a version 
of it might appear some point. 

851
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:23,800
Excellent. 
Yeah. 

852
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,000
No. 
Is this a, it's great. 

853
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,500
I'd love to have seen the bids 
at Erie one stage back in the 

854
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:30,300
day. 
It's a reading of it. 

855
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,200
Coming up in Lincolnshire, you 
know about. 

856
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,900
Yes I do. 
Do you, do you know about the 

857
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:40,100
steps video? 
No, go on time. 

858
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,600
You know, the pop group steps. 
Yeah. 

859
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,100
And in 2000 they, they had a TV 
special, and Spike was in it in 

860
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:55,600
a gymnasium of all places God. 
And and it was all for us, it's 

861
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,100
terrible. 
And just think why? 

862
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,900
Spike? 
Because he, he was going to be 

863
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:06,200
in the last Series was at the 
last or Christmas special, or 

864
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,100
not was a comic relief special 
for one foot in the grave. 

865
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,100
Oh wow. 
And and I think it just became 

866
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:15,400
too ill. 
Well, Norma kind of pulled rank 

867
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,200
towards the end and that was a 
bone of contention at times. 

868
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:24,400
You know, she she she stopped a 
few things something that I 

869
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,600
disagreed with but, you know 
that I guess it's very delicate.

870
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,000
When an artist gets to a certain
age, she was very protective. 

871
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,100
Let's Maybe Say that mmm, that 
that, that was a bad decision, 

872
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:38,700
wasn't it? 
Where that? 

873
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:43,300
And it wouldn't be here. 
He used to call himself a parcel

874
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:45,800
and the last term's. 
It 10 years of his life. 

875
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,400
It's a, I'm just a parcel. 
I just get in a car and I get 

876
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,700
came from here. 
I just didn't get it and then I 

877
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:55,500
go back in the car and taken her
home. 

878
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:59,300
That's the parcel. 
I don't think it's very happy 

879
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:01,500
about. 
Certain things? 

880
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:05,200
No, no. 
But he was in gormenghast and 

881
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,900
that, that, that was it. 
That was a good show to go out 

882
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:10,000
on those it, I suppose. 
Yeah. 

883
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:12,300
Yeah. 
He nearly made it to Boku. 

884
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:14,200
No. 
And she put the kibosh on that 

885
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,500
because she didn't like the 
producers. 

886
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:20,500
We will come and film green 
screen in the front room. 

887
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:24,700
If we just get him to be God, In
this order than the right. 

888
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:27,200
Actually, I think it might have 
been the or author or going to 

889
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,000
rate it should have been. 
They made it Richard 

890
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,900
Attenborough in the end they did
a film. 

891
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:35,800
Let's look yes that's right with
them with them. 

892
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:41,500
Jim McDonald from Cory. 
Okay, other than that I don't 

893
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:43,300
remember Jim McDonald from 
cousin me. 

894
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:46,200
I thought he was. 
Why don't you play it? 

895
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,800
Was he I don't remember probably
right and maybe I wasn't in the 

896
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,800
same with him from going to the 
actor's name even but sure he 

897
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,500
was it and some really great 
people in that Sean Hughes was 

898
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:00,000
at it. 
Oh yeah. 

899
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,500
Yeah. 
Well Sean Hughes he left very 

900
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:04,900
young. 
Yes sadly. 

901
00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:09,000
Very said it David David Kelley 
who I remember Remembers from 

902
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,600
Robin's Nest. 
The one-armed dishwasher, yes, 

903
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,700
some Legends in there. 
Milo, I'm Shay. 

904
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,800
Hmm. 
But Jay doesn't take you. 

905
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,400
Thank you so much for as I say, 
for taking the time to speak 

906
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,400
with me today and you've 
obviously, you've been 

907
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:31,600
performing yourself. 
Obviously you're an actress and 

908
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:34,400
treading the boards. 
You've just recently finished 

909
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,900
magic goes wrong. 
They're right. 

910
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:39,800
Yes, I really had a great time 
with that company. 

911
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:44,300
This Chief, they were wonderful 
people to work with and it was 

912
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:46,600
quite scary coming out of the 
lockdown and getting back in the

913
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,400
road. 
Hustle over, you know. 

914
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:54,100
Masking and covid England, 
testing, I didn't know that very

915
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:58,400
best to the creativity, but we 
got through it and I had a great

916
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,800
role. 
I had such a good time in a 

917
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,100
wonderful company with a great 
producer and it was just 

918
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:09,100
fabulous loved it. 
And that some Penn & Teller 

919
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:11,500
involved with that. 
When they, they certainly were, 

920
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:13,600
they were the magic. 
They were the magic and they 

921
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,300
were in touch from afar, but 
they will certainly on board and

922
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,900
We had a lovely run in town, we 
did really well. 

923
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:28,400
So I was blessed to do that. 
I feel like I don't really need 

924
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,600
to do. 
It's got to be good to top that 

925
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,700
for a while. 
Yeah, back on the road with with

926
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:37,400
my band, Red Box. 
Okay? 

927
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,100
Yeah. 
Sort of 80 sensation, then if 

928
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:47,300
you remember Red Box, remove the
Black Box red box as you wrote a

929
00:57:47,308 --> 00:57:49,400
song called Lena. 
Maybe it's just confusing 

930
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:54,200
because it's the same title as 
yeses for Americans. 

931
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,800
There are other hits so yeah 
it's kind of but they've since 

932
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,800
then I've had had a great couple
of great albums, three albums 

933
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,100
actually but Simon Tolson Clark 
who heads, the band is Jack 

934
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:10,200
tools from Clark son and Jack 
was Norma's husband. 

935
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,300
But life partner. 
All right, so I went to Norma's 

936
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:22,500
funeral, February, March, 2019. 
In Middlesboro, and I met so 

937
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:25,500
many great people but I cemented
a friendship with Simon that day

938
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:27,700
that led to me being in the 
background. 

939
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:30,700
Don't just don't really weird 
coincidence. 

940
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:33,700
We're going up to play a gig in 
Whitby, this summer. 

941
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:39,400
Actually we're doing confess, 
tuples in Oxfordshire and 

942
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:44,400
Poland. 
What are you there? 

943
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,000
What are you? 
You can squeeze box. 

944
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,000
What are you? 
No, no, I'm Cools and keyboards 

945
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,600
piano. 
Oh, wow. 

946
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:58,400
So I'm doing that, which is 
really a real treat and also I'm

947
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,400
doing something at the moment 
called the goblin Market, which 

948
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,200
is by Julian, Littman's Goblin 
Market music and we're playing, 

949
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,000
Glastonbury Festival, which I'm 
absolutely over the moon about 

950
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,500
Julie, and Lippmann who I 
mentioned to you earlier that 

951
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:16,100
bed sitting room, he's an 
all-around guy, he's in steeleye

952
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:18,000
Span at the moment, the boat 
back. 

953
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:21,700
Well, yeah, and we've written 
the music for the goblin Market,

954
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:25,000
which obviously, is a poem by 
Christina Rossetti and it's set 

955
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,600
to music and it's quite a spooky
tale. 

956
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,300
And I'm singing quite a bit in 
that Maddie dryer is also on the

957
00:59:31,308 --> 00:59:34,000
album and we're doing 
Glastonbury. 

958
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:35,400
Good. 
God. 

959
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,800
And just hope the weather holds 
up here. 

960
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:39,400
Well, that's always the thing 
that's always great. 

961
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,900
Glastonbury, it's always just 
after the equinoxes and it's 

962
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:46,600
more, you know, student I have 
been soaked glass, the movement,

963
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,200
On them steeleye span. 
You know, that there's a goon 

964
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:54,200
connection to steeleye span go 
for it. 

965
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,900
Peter Sellers sang on one of 
their songs. 

966
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:03,200
New York girls back in the 70s. 
Would it be? 

967
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,700
Why did he sing? 
I'm sorry. 

968
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:07,600
No, he didn't say. 
What am I saying? 

969
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:17,600
He was on the ukulele. 
Yeah, a woman shift and I 

970
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:35,100
brother Oh, that were no use. 
it's very interesting how big a 

971
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:38,800
firing dad you know it can be I 
say timing because you get 

972
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:45,500
emotional and that always drains
you yes because you know you 

973
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:50,100
miss him I'm talking about me 
cause I'm saying, you know, I'm 

974
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:53,400
missing so Just talking on Dolly
and then you end the, you end 

975
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,900
the interview anything. 
Why am I so tired and it's 

976
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:00,200
emotional tired. 
Yeah I can imagine that. 

977
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:03,400
That can guide the life of him 
is a wonderful thing. 

978
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:10,300
He's an incredible guy Dumas and
I pretend I don't because thanks

979
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:12,400
again to Jane. 
Thank you for listening. 

980
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,300
Please rate and review on iTunes
please cuz it does help the show

981
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:20,400
to become more visible and raise
the profile and whatnot. 

982
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,200
I will be back next week with 
another special guest and other 

983
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,400
show nother topic, as always, 
and till then, take care of 

984
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,900
yourselves. 
See you soon? 

985
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:30,600
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