1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,560 Go there. Oh, there you are. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:04,160 You're all wet. Yeah. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,200 I must be wet to let you talk me into things like this. 4 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,480 Where's the monster? Oh, he's out there somewhere. 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:10,640 There he is. Look. 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,360 Oh, blast. Why didn't you get it? 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,760 I've got 1. Never mind. 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,080 That'll have to do. Right, though. 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,160 Go get it, boy. What do you take me for? 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,520 A water spaniel. Go on. 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,320 Hi, I got one. I got one. 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,120 Have you? Yes, I have. 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:35,320 Yes, I have. It's a throat. 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,840 It's a throat. Smells like a smoke Throat. 15 00:00:39,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Oh, get him a little darling. Hello and welcome to Goon Pod. 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,680 And this week we're tackling a British comedy film from 1961, 17 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,080 which is sort of a pop exploitation film, but not 18 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,640 really it, it's barely a a comedy film really. 19 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,960 No, I'm, I'm being too hard. It's, it's full of faces, which 20 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:33,160 is something we all like, in particular my 2 guests. 21 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,960 This week it is Gary and Tilt. Hello. 22 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,880 Oh. To give you your full names, 23 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,800 Gary, Roger and Tilt A Riser hosts, presenters, creators of 24 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,760 the Sitcom Club and Jaffa Cakes for Proust. 25 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:53,440 Once in future, podcasters. They they are on, I mean a 26 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,800 they're on an extended. Hiatus you could say, but there 27 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,520 are plans. We do manage 1A year, yes. 28 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Yeah, yeah. So. 29 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,520 Almost, yeah. There are there are plans in the 30 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,360 works till, although not for us. To Yeah, there are. 31 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,800 To our former body. I'm outside at the moment and 32 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,760 it's a very, it's, it's a bright, sunshiny day. 33 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,440 Like, you know, because the California. 34 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,960 Yeah. Last time you were on with me, 35 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,760 it was what was it? It was man about the man about 36 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,480 the house film. Yes, indeed, and and Andrew was 37 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,840 with us then as well. Yes, and that was that was that 38 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,240 was fine fun. And because you 2 are 39 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,720 potentially looking to relaunch the sitcom club or or some form 40 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,600 of it, this could be a bit of practice for you get back into 41 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,760 the the the the saddle. Well, the plan is, is that we're 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,880 going to try and record at least three before we release 43 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,960 anything. My hope is that we can do maybe 44 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,600 6 shows and just call that sort of a mini series. 45 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,720 OK, and today we are talking about the 1961 film starring 46 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,400 Adam Faith and it's called What a Whopper. 47 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,480 That's as much as I can remember of the themes you. 48 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,000 It's an annoying theme tune tilt, I said. 49 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,880 It's not really a pop film, but you. 50 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,560 You, you were on the verge of saying it's not even a film. 51 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,120 You were going like, hold on. Martin Scorsese talks about the 52 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,040 Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm not that bad. 53 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,480 I'm not that bad. But I, yeah, you said while we 54 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,680 were watching this the other day that it has the the film, it has 55 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,640 the skin of a rock'n'roll film. What? 56 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,040 What did you mean by that? Well, it's about a bunch of 57 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:52,480 young people who decide to go on a madcap scheme and try and it's 58 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,880 it's just got that vibe. And of course, one of them is 59 00:03:54,880 --> 00:04:01,680 Adam Fit, an actual pop singer. It just struck me as, and if you 60 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,840 can think of any actual examples, because what? 61 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,480 Well, now I'm seeing it in my mind's complex. 62 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,440 It's just that thing of, oh, we, you know, effectively it's we, 63 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,760 we should, we could put on the show right here, kind of a bunch 64 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,360 of young people are together. A song is sung. 65 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,160 Only one song in this. That's why I said it's the skin, 66 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:28,240 but not that because it's they're not playing a band and 67 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,680 music isn't at the heart of it. But I'm thinking like, remember 68 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,640 when we watched the Ghost Ghost Gear? 69 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,720 And that was like a madcap scheme of putting on a festival 70 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,640 at a stately home? With ghosts. 71 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,880 Yes, and it's just got that whole thing, but there's only 72 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,320 one song sung within the film and then there's the theme tune 73 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,920 and that's it. So I'd, I'd be curious to know. 74 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,960 I, I tried to do a little research, but I wasn't able to 75 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,200 turn up much. So I'm just wondering, it's 76 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,360 like, were there like 4 or five songs in this and we just ended 77 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,160 up with one? So let's think, well, you know, 78 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,240 Adam Faith's acting is so spectacular, we should give him 79 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,880 the space to act and not have to sing all the time. 80 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,680 Let let us we will talk later about his him in a sporran. 81 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,560 Can I just Yeah, Gary, I just, I just want to not know about. 82 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,400 No, Yeah, we'll come to to stereotypes in in due course. 83 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:30,040 I just want to point out one thing. 84 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,560 You may already have this in your notes, but when you 85 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,480 mentioned that there was all these young people getting up to 86 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,280 all their, you know, ideas and what have you. 87 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,760 Terrence Longdon I think was 38 at the time. 88 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,560 He was, yeah, I looked that up. He was. 89 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,680 Blimey, how old was Charles Hawtrey? 90 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,800 70 He's never changed, has he? He's always looked the same. 91 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:02,360 Charles, Oh my God. Charles Hawtrey was let me walk 92 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,320 this out. He was 47. 93 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,760 Right. But he's not, he's not playing 94 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,200 with the young people. He's playing a Bohemian. 95 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,360 But he's loving a commune. Yeah, but that's what I said. 96 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,720 If if you if you hang about these kinds of spaces where 97 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,600 there are young bohemians, there's there's always at least 98 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:27,240 one guy and there's a couple of guys or gals who haven't haven't 99 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,640 put that behind them and are still living that kind of 100 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,320 lifestyle. Now pardon me, I'm inspired. 101 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,000 Buzz off right now here. My missus would be very 102 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,160 interested when I tell her I met a painter. 103 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Not just a painter, a flicking painter. 104 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,680 Gary, do you think that this film, due to the stereotypes and 105 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,200 whatnot, do you think that it caused a huge spike in 106 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,640 membership of the SNP at the time? 107 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,840 I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry to say that I really haven't done a lot 108 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:05,200 of research in regards to the correlation between the box 109 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,800 office takings of Wasa Whopper and membership of the SNP. 2nd 110 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,840 1961. They didn't teach red. 111 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,240 Full oversight on my part. Now, OK, here's the thing, 112 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,240 right? Because you know, the Loch Ness 113 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:24,360 Monster, yes, well, I'm not from the area. 114 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,440 It's Loch has the Internet. It's what? 115 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,520 Loch MV. Yeah, well, well, you say that, 116 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,440 but OK, Loch Ness. But it's not like some of us 117 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,720 sighters might think, oh, Scotland's famous for Loch Ness 118 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Monster way. And like, everybody celebrates 119 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,600 and has a day off every year to celebrate it. 120 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,600 It's just, no, we just heard about this thing and we just 121 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,400 sort of thought, Oh yeah, that's bullshit, isn't it? 122 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:50,920 Can we say bullshit on this on this podcast? 123 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,160 So yeah, we just always assumed that it was just a swizz. 124 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,280 And yeah, it's not something that's generally associated with 125 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,240 with national pride. I don't think there are any 126 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,640 lines in Flower of Scotland about Nessie, for example. 127 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,080 It's not really something that there's a big. 128 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:14,120 Feature Gary Gary conflict, you know, but you have to be upfront 129 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,440 about this. You're from the Bonnie, Bonnie 130 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:24,200 Banks. OK, Now I'm, you know, is there, 131 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,760 is there a bit of is there a bit of tension here between OK, now 132 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,880 I'm getting concerned. Tyler, Tyler, you're the chair 133 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,280 of this recording, and I'm getting concerned that that Till 134 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,520 is exhibiting racialist tendencies here. 135 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:39,559 Yeah. What? 136 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,720 No, I'm talking about, I'm talking about intranational 137 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,400 tensions, not international tensions. 138 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,240 Yeah. And let's face it, Gary, you 139 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,000 know, you know that I am actually more Scottish than you. 140 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,560 Yeah, Well, OK again. Well, I have drunk Buckfest. 141 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,200 I've drunk Buckfast. Have you come on? 142 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,720 OK, well, I haven't. Haven't really. 143 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,800 I've I've no I've had a snifter of El Dorado, but that's 144 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,560 practically the same thing. Yeah. 145 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,520 I have £0.50 cheaper than I have Italian heritage. 146 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,880 There is nothing more Scottish than Italian heritage. 147 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,320 What was that? What was that? 148 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,960 I've been to the Edinburgh Tattoo, an Edinburgh a minute. 149 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,520 Yes, well, I could get a tattoo if I wanted to. 150 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,320 Boom, boom. But no, right. 151 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,800 Can I just quickly take a wee deviation? 152 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,560 I'm going to mention something here that that you may both 153 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:36,440 react to and say, yeah, we do about that. 154 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,960 Of course we knew about that. What are you telling us this 155 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,720 for? It's like I'm about to say, did 156 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,480 you notice Spike Mulligan was in a group called the Goons once. 157 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,720 But OK, I was looking up Charles Hartree's aid. 158 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,760 Here OK. And what did you, I don't know 159 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,520 what you think I was. I don't know what you thought I 160 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:56,920 was going to say there, but it was just the. 161 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,240 Pause. It wasn't intentional, no. 162 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,160 OK. Charles Hartree is described as 163 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,400 an actor, a director and a cinematographer. 164 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,920 And the latter 2 had me intrigued and I'm sort of 165 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,520 thinking, OK, where's that coming from? 166 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,320 And I looked this up and Charles Hawtree does actually have two 167 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,600 directors credits to his name and he also has a 168 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,720 cinematographer credit to his name. 169 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:33,880 And the latter is a 75 minute film called What Do We Do Now? 170 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:40,080 And it was produced in 1945 and it was written by George A 171 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,120 Cooper. Blimey. 172 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,920 Wow. Now how do we not know about 173 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,040 this? Does it exist is the question. 174 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,040 Oh, I don't know about that. I mean, I'm just going to have a 175 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,040 look and see. Are there any reviews for it? 176 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,000 Doesn't look like anybody's written their reviews, which 177 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,080 suggests that it might not be doing the rounds anytime soon. 178 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:09,200 And it features Edmundo Ross. Oh, who worked with Ray 179 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,440 Ellington? Yes, at. 180 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:13,320 One point. Charles Hodges other director's 181 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,840 credit is a 1945 film called Dumbdora Discovers Tobacco. 182 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,600 That's interesting. That must be like a general word 183 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,480 because Dumbdora I think was a name that was often used in the 184 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,680 clues on match game. Right. 185 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,720 Match match game which was blankety blank. 186 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,320 Which was yes. Yeah. 187 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,440 Right came to the UK via Australia. 188 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,520 If only somebody could do a little in depth podcast about 189 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,080 the law of Match game, Blankety blank and blankety blanks. 190 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:56,200 Strokes beard Jaffa cakes for Proust. 191 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,120 We did indeed we did. I think it was a was it? 192 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,400 No, it wasn't A2 parter, but oh was it anyway. 193 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,640 We, we, we definitely had an Australian guest and an American 194 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:13,640 guest to help us go through all this in depth law. 195 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:21,680 Does cinematography extend to taking cinefilm footage of Irish 196 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:22,800 navvies? You're flat. 197 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,400 There is a joke I could make about DP but. 198 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,080 Anyway, let me let me bring it back round to the point. 199 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,480 There will be people out there, I'm sure, who have never never 200 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,480 seen, certainly possibly never heard of what a whopper. 201 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,160 So I'm I'm just going to give a summary of, of the film just to 202 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,040 put people in the picture, not nothing too elaborate, no 203 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,360 spoilers as such. We have teen idol at the time, 204 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,520 Adam Faith, who plays Tony Blake. 205 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,640 And Tony Blake is a struggling writer. 206 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,320 He's written a book about the Loch Ness Monster which he can't 207 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,440 get published as public interest in the legend has waned and he 208 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,880 faces eviction from the flat he shares with as, as you said, 209 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:15,440 some bohemian arty types including Charles Hawtry and 210 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,720 also his friend, his best friend Vernon, who is 38 year old 211 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,920 Terrence London and Vernon's fiance Charlie, played by Carol 212 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,960 Leslie, presumably because Liz Fraser was unavailable. 213 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,920 And Tony decides to revive Nessie Fever by photographing a 214 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,760 couple of inner tubes lash to a plank of wood floating in the 215 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,000 Serpentine, and then travels up to Loch Ness itself with friends 216 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,120 in tow, intending to pass off the photo as proof of the 217 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,120 monster's existence and thus generate media interest. 218 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,000 And in keen yet Kailide pursuit is Charlie's father Freddie 219 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,160 Frinton, someone who's clearly never heard the old adage that 220 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,680 less is more. Heroes arrive at a hotel on the 221 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:58,480 banks of Loch Ness and embark upon their preparations. 222 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,880 Sir James is a revelation in this picture with his dazzling 223 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,840 performance at Sir James. He plays Wiley hotel barman 224 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:12,120 Harry Sutton, Simon poacher and arse slapper and Harry's always 225 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,680 trying to keep one step ahead of the local polis. 226 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,080 That's what you call them up there, isn't it, Gary? 227 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,960 Oh, either polis. Yeah, who are they? 228 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,320 Terry Scott and Gordon Rollings, and the film climaxes with Tony 229 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,480 and co's scheme being exposed and then beating a hasty retreat 230 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,600 in a boat. And without spoiling anything at 231 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,040 this point, we then see the entire film's budget on the 232 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,920 screen with special effects. So life like those 1961 233 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,680 audiences were likely being stretchered out of cinemas. 234 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,760 He'll be exposed to tell you exposed. 235 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,760 And why are we doing this on Goon Pod? 236 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,680 Because Spike is in it. Not for long, but Spike is in 237 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,440 it. Sadly, he's not playing a comedy 238 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Scotsman, but he's what is he, a Serpentine bum? 239 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,200 I guess we'll come to him a little bit later. 240 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,800 So chaps, we've already sort of started talking about it. 241 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,520 Well, we've talked about Charles Hawtry. 242 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,240 What are your opening thoughts on the film itself? 243 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,120 Well, can I just mention one character that you didn't allude 244 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,200 to, which is JoJo, played by Lloyd Record, because I'm always 245 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:23,320 interested in the flotsam trivia and little bits of British 246 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,240 television culture. Lloyd Record is one of the 247 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,160 participants in the first interracial kiss that we know of 248 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:39,680 on British television and the second and the third. 249 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,200 So the the famous 19 six that that I think it was like 1959, 250 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,560 two in 1959, one in like 1961 or two. 251 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,320 So the the one that had been the previously famous one, which was 252 00:15:54,320 --> 00:16:00,560 on Emergency War 10 in 1964 is not, is not the first British 253 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,440 interracial case on British television, but it does have the 254 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,680 distinction of being the first interracial case on British 255 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,720 television that we know of not involving Lloyd Records. 256 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,240 He he should have gone over to America and Captain Kirk could 257 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:22,360 have kissed him. When I found out about that, it 258 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,720 was in my imagination that he just had ATV show where he just, 259 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,960 you know. I could pack us up. 260 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,200 Yeah, you know, and taking us into into the news, we've got 261 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,600 Lloyd record kisses this week. Here's Kitty Boyle. 262 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,920 Can I also just mention one of the character as well as Posty? 263 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,320 That's his name. And of course, it's Wilfred 264 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,400 Bramble. No better winds stir the air, 265 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,040 and as I look towards the black waters, I saw it. 266 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,160 It's terrible. Head rising slowly, I'm turning 267 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,600 towards me. It's jaws open. 268 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:06,520 What was that? The deal? 269 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,240 Is it heaven help? It sounded terrible fierce. 270 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,440 You don't think it was the he have heard the Loch Ness 271 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,040 Monster? Jimmy, I need a drink. 272 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,000 We all do, and I'm paying, and that's something else that 273 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,880 hasn't been heard before. I, I, I, I didn't think his, his 274 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,319 Scottish accent was all that bad. 275 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,079 I think till you you thought it was a bit. 276 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,760 I don't know. Yes, some of them bothered me, 277 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,120 but they didn't bother you. And I'm, you know, I'm willing 278 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:36,760 to. Well hang on, I know Wilfred 279 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,480 wasn't born and bred Scott but and obviously obviously said 280 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,240 James but he didn't even attempt an exit. 281 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,080 But were the were the others not? 282 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,560 Oh well Terry Scott wasn't either was he? 283 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,760 But isn't everyone else? I think God, Rawlings was the 284 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,920 one that really bothered me the most. 285 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,880 I don't know his, his sounded like, you know, the when 286 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,120 Americans do Scottish accents. Yeah. 287 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,240 But you, Gary, when we're watching this, when, when 288 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,560 Wilfred Bramble turns up, what did you did you say? 289 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,880 Did you offer a counterfactual like the offer with Adam Faith 290 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,560 instead of Barry H Corbett? Oh. 291 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,080 God, yes, that's right. Yeah, I suggested. 292 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,800 Well, I think that the way that I phrased it was imagine if Adam 293 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,480 Faith had played the part of Harold in the offer. 294 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,360 It would have been bloody awful. It would have been. 295 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,480 And I, I, I maintain that and I don't know if we ever got as far 296 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,480 as maybe recasting Wilford Ramble, but no, it's a kind of 297 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,000 thing you could imagine happening because it still 298 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,120 happens today. Of course, you get it all the 299 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:52,960 time where pop stars or somebody who's you know, in the in in 300 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,400 popular culture that particular week or month or year, whatever 301 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,400 it may be. Then they try the hand acting 302 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,800 and they get a part and something and those kind of 303 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,600 things that they tend to date films much more than than really 304 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,800 anything else about them. If it wasn't for the fact that 305 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,400 if Adam Faith wasn't in this, it would just be another 306 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,480 run-of-the-mill comedy of this era, wouldn't be particularly 307 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,800 memorable. It would be the kind of thing 308 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,480 that would turn up every now and then. 309 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,080 You'd think, oh, yeah, there's a James film that I haven't seen 310 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,120 yet or something like that. But yeah, you get these little 311 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:34,680 oddities where it's like, OK, yeah, this person is the hottest 312 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,200 property right now on the music scene or whatever it may be. 313 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,440 And yeah, there they are. Now they've got a starting 314 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:47,200 vehicle, but with those kind of films you tend to then have a 315 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:52,520 lot of support from seasoned actors to do the sort of the 316 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,360 heavy lifting. Well, it's what it's what they 317 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,240 did with the Hard Day's Night because they they weren't sure 318 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,920 if it was going to work or not with The Beatles. 319 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,920 Thankfully it did, but they they had it stuffed with people like 320 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,040 Wilfred Bramble, Norman Rossington to take up the heavy 321 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,200 lifting if they needed to. Yes. 322 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,680 Really, the the the thing that I took away from it is Philip 323 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,240 Larkin was wrong. Sexual intercourse definitely 324 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:21,160 seems to exist sometime prior to 1963, because this film's a 325 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,000 little bit it's. A bit near end. 326 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:30,720 Particularly the the excuses to have the French girl constantly 327 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,520 appearing in her underwear. But that that's what they in 328 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,640 films around this time, it was obligatory for the girls to 329 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,280 strip down to the barren knickers. 330 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:46,520 I mean, you have your your other series on Patreon where you look 331 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,280 at British films without Doo. Maybe we should look at Passport 332 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:56,880 to Shame, which is a searing indictment of the vice scene in 333 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:02,040 London and therefore absolutely must, as a matter of obligation 334 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:08,520 to the moral good of the population of 1950s Britain, 335 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,840 absolutely must feature Diana Doors wandering around in 336 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:18,360 Askanti for a bit. Quite. 337 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,800 Just, you know, yeah. But you say that you. 338 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,000 Say I tell you what, there's a lot of movie posters from this 339 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,800 tie where there's a girl there in stockings and suspenders on 340 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,880 the poster, regardless of whether such a thing appears in 341 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:39,960 the film. Well, the the the the audience 342 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,360 they're trying to attract. Yeah, just just the thing I get 343 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:46,160 watching, so watching like 50s films, there was there was a 344 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,600 sexual revolution happening in the 50s. 345 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,600 It just so happens that the one that came in the 60s was that 346 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,840 much bigger that people kind of forgot it. 347 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,360 But yeah, you, if you plow through as many British films 348 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,160 from the 50s as I do, you start to see, yeah, the, the, the 349 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:10,600 sexual mores are changing. A pace They may discuss it and 350 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,520 they may allude to it, but they never do it in the 1950s. 351 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,880 Well, they. Yeah, but they never do it in 352 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,720 this either, do they? Because implication isn't there. 353 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,080 Because you've got Terence Longdon, who I think looks like 354 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,520 a young Tommy Cockles with his with his hair in his glasses. 355 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:35,160 And what's his relationship is? He's engaged to to Carol Leslie, 356 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,480 but he's terrified of anything. He's terrified of being in the 357 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,040 same room alone with her. Yes. 358 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,880 Until towards the end, he just, he says something like, I've 359 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:44,800 just noticed that you're. Quite. 360 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,720 That's a grand old tradition, isn't it though? 361 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,480 Sexually frightened men are something you get quite a bit in 362 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,480 British comedy, didn't we? We discussed that last time, 363 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,160 didn't we? About in Man House. 364 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,600 Where you man? Doug Fisher? 365 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,840 Yeah, Doug Fisher, who's always, you know, putting that boat and 366 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,080 what have you. And then when they they need to 367 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:11,360 get the signatures for the petition and there's the pardon 368 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:14,680 expression, raving nympho, you know, across the way. 369 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,320 He doesn't want to go in there because it's like, yeah, hang 370 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,600 on, this is role reversal. She's she's, you know, up for. 371 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,080 Well, no, because no, I don't know about Larry. 372 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,680 I think it's Robin who doesn't want to go in there, even though 373 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,480 half an hour earlier he's been trying to get his leg over with 374 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,760 with Chrissy. And if you, if you remember, 375 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,520 Robin only wanted it with Chrissy if she didn't want it, 376 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,840 which was a bit problematic, but yeah. 377 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:47,000 And then you've got this raving nympho who's obviously up all 378 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,200 night with Peter Sellier and turning away Boy Scouts and 379 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,600 things. Thank God. 380 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,520 She turns away the Boy Scouts. I could have gone. 381 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,200 Yeah, like so. Anyway, enough of all this 382 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,720 filth. I am pleased to say there is 383 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,200 actually an authentic Scotsman in Water Whopper. 384 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,800 OK. Harold Beron. 385 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,000 Oh yes. Harold Beron's born 19 O3 in 386 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,840 Glasgow. I particularly remember him from 387 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,920 his appearances in The Prisoner. What does he do in the prisoner? 388 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,200 I'm sure he's in more than one episode, but he's in. 389 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,960 He's particularly in the episode Free for All, the election 390 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,880 episode in which he's a reporter for the Telly Hoe, whose voice 391 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,280 has been replaced by Peter Swanik. 392 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,680 I carry this stuff around in my head. 393 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:36,560 I can't remember my Social Security number, which is a 394 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,720 vital piece of information here in the US. 395 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,840 But can you remember Harold Beron's Social Security number? 396 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,680 It was a long time ago. It was 1. 397 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,520 But we should also mention Arch Archie Duncan, of course. 398 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,960 Sorry, go on. Is he not? 399 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,040 Is he not a genuine Scott? Archie Duncan. 400 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,160 Quite possibly, yes. He, I'm pretty sure he yeah, 401 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:08,160 yeah, he is because he was Little John in Robin Hood, not 402 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,360 in every episode of Robin Hood, because he was injured making an 403 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:15,760 episode of Robin Hood, was temporarily replaced, and then 404 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,680 came back after having been paid a whole bunch of damages for I 405 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,560 think a horse got loose or something. 406 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,640 And he was Inspector Lestrade or Lestrade, I can't remember which 407 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,360 pronunciation they go with in the Ronald Howard Howard, Marion 408 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:36,120 Crawford, Sherlock Holmes from 1954. 409 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,960 And we we saw him in a very important person recently with 410 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,040 James Robertson. Justice. 411 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,320 Yes, oh boy. James Robertson, Justice who 412 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:53,000 overstated his Scottish roots. Yes, so we could get the gig of 413 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,680 opening Scottish. Television indeed, yeah. 414 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,600 Oh, really? Look at this family tree. 415 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,600 Not single Italian I'm sure. We do have at least two other 416 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,920 authentic Scots in this film, Molly Weir of course, and. 417 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,280 Well, she. Yeah, because she, she she 418 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,760 catches sight of young Tommy Cockles Cockles, isn't she? 419 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,840 Yes. Yes, indeed. 420 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,720 And of course, Fife Robertson, hey. 421 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,280 I'm standing here. Well, for the teenagers there, 422 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,880 we have another Scott who can't really do the accent. 423 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,040 Who's that then? Terry Scott. 424 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,920 I hope this isn't a wild goose chase. 425 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:50,000 Ah well, you'll see there. Where they were here, I smelt 426 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,200 them with my own nose. Don't you idiot? 427 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,880 I only wish I had a higher rank so I could demote you. 428 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,880 Tilt Terry Nation wrote the script for this, although Jeremy 429 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,760 Lloyd came up with the concept, didn't he? 430 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,600 And Trevor? Peacock, Trevor. 431 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,200 Peacock that we see briefly at the beginning. 432 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,800 But so Terry Nation was writing for Hancock around this time. 433 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,880 Is that right? He was 63. 434 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:19,960 ATV Series. Oh, right. 435 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,760 OK. Yeah, I don't know when, when, I 436 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,560 don't know when exactly termination started working for 437 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,120 Hancock. But I mean, his complaint was 438 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:31,360 that he was writing material that Hancock wasn't using. 439 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,560 So he was trying to write, you know, 1960s material. 440 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,640 And Hancock was still doing his George Arles impression, which I 441 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,720 mean, of course, that's where you get the term one for the 442 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,960 teenagers. Yeah, that, yeah. 443 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,880 Which is itself now a one for the teenagers Rep. 444 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,720 There's already this. There's real echoes of the Rebel 445 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,080 in this film due to the the large sculpture that takes up 446 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,280 the whole flat. Charles Hawtrey what? 447 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,400 What purpose does he serve in this film? 448 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,960 I think in as much as his name's on it, his name's got a certain 449 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,560 cache, OK? I'm going to say that there's 450 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,440 that one scene with him and Fabia Drake where through a 451 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,240 hilarious set of misunderstandings, he, Fabia 452 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:30,560 Drake plays the mother of Charlie and there's a there's a 453 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,360 misunderstanding of have we mentioned the hearse? 454 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,960 No, we haven't mentioned the hearse, right? 455 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,920 Let's go for the hearse first. All right. 456 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,680 So OK. They need a car. 457 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,920 They need a car that's right. They've got 50 NECA, I believe. 458 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,800 Is that going to buy a Rolls Royce horse? 459 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,360 I don't. I don't think it's going to 460 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,720 stretch to that, is it? I get the impression they've 461 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,200 been trying to get rid of that thing. 462 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,920 So yeah, it's a Rolls Royce, but it's a Rolls Royce hearse, and 463 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,600 it's become something of a white elephant to the car dealership. 464 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,680 That's my head cannon. We do have a couple of other 465 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,400 names in here who are only in it really quite briefly, as well as 466 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,720 Spike, of course. Clive Dunn is in there early on. 467 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,720 Yeah. And I maybe, maybe I'm trying to 468 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,160 think of his name and it's actually in front of me. 469 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,320 Lance Percival. Lance Percival Yes, yes, yeah, 470 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,280 Clive. Let's go to Clive Dunn, another 471 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,600 old man part. Does he ever? 472 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,720 Did he ever play anything else than old men? 473 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,880 I'm really struggling to play a young version of Corporal Jones 474 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,000 in some flashbacks. Right. 475 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,680 Oh, he's he's he's playing his own age in the magic Christian. 476 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,840 And of course he was on he was working with benting, wasn't he 477 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,080 on It's a square world. So there must have been a few 478 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,960 occasions when he was when he didn't have to put on the. 479 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,400 It's it's interesting though. So he gets, he gets a finger off 480 00:29:54,400 --> 00:30:01,440 his he, he gets backed up and he ends up landing on the fingers 481 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,760 of the giant statue that's taking up three floors of the 482 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,880 Bohemian Commune. And of course it's it's the 483 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,560 symbol of victory. But the way we see those fingers 484 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,920 instead of the V for victory, it just looks like they're the same 485 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,240 to you, which is what life says to finger salute and get that 486 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,800 again. That's like I, I don't think 10 487 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,320 years earlier that would have been permitted. 488 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,080 No, it should have been. I almost want to say it, and I'm 489 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,720 not entirely sure the ground on which I stand, but I almost want 490 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,560 to say this is kind of a post bolting Brothers vibe. 491 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,040 Yep. I can't be sure, but I I get the 492 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,600 feeling that their productions, their their comedies were a 493 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,840 little bit more near to the knock. 494 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,240 Off earthy, yeah, you've got you've got same kid in I'm a 495 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,880 right Jack who's got that terrible stutter and starts to 496 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:05,760 say you stupid clot. Why don't you tell him to go 497 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,040 photograph something worth seeing? 498 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,280 Yeah, Clive Dunn falling down the stairs. 499 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,960 I felt like the dramatic impact of Martin Balsam falling down 500 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,560 the stairs a year earlier in Psycho. 501 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,440 It wasn't quite as effective. It wasn't quite as effective. 502 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,960 In which film? Yeah, it's psycho. 503 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:33,200 OK, yeah, a couple of notable uncredited appearances in this 504 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,960 as well. The aforementioned Trevor 505 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,400 Peacock. Yes. 506 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,600 How they are and Amanda Barry as well. 507 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,280 I didn't see Amanda Barry. Where was she? 508 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,240 She was in Chelsea Girl. Oh, right, because right at the 509 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,280 beginning. Oh yeah, because you mentioned 510 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,960 the bumping into a fabulous couple of birds. 511 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,880 Saw a couple of fabulous birds on the Kings, right? 512 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:59,920 Yeah. Do you think what's his name? 513 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,640 Vern Terence Longdon. Young Tommy Cockles. 514 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,920 Because he's he's he's into sort of music on crat, isn't he? 515 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,680 He's doing all these electronic he's. 516 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,120 Got his own little radiophonic workshop I was. 517 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,960 Just going to say, is he like a male Delia Derbyshire do you 518 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,760 think? I mean, the radiophonic workshop 519 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,200 already existed, so I'm guessing that you know, that that he 520 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,760 couldn't get his foot in the door there. 521 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,840 Or maybe he's working up to it. You were saying, by the way, we 522 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,880 we talked about the hearse, but before that you were talking 523 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,680 about the reason why Charles Hawtree should be in the film is 524 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:40,360 is because of Charles. There's, there's, there's just 525 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,840 that scene where the gang have driven off in their hearse and 526 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,960 Charlie's mother's asking where Charlie is. 527 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,320 And I don't know if she's actually seen the hearse. 528 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,160 And Charles Hawtree models his ideas up and gives her the 529 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,360 impression that her daughter has died. 530 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,560 Hilarious. And I just think Charles Hawtree 531 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,040 is is not the only actor who could have sold that. 532 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,120 But he's really good for that, that kind of misunderstanding. 533 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,200 There are many other actors who would not have sold that quite 534 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,360 as well. He does that same purpose. 535 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,560 He's got that very distinctive thing he does when he talks. 536 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,280 He's if he's, if he's addressing another character, he's talking 537 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,320 to someone else. He's looking at them. 538 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,800 But the moment he stops talking, he turns his head, stares 539 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,640 straight ahead, Doesn't he? I think he can't bear to 540 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,400 maintain eye contact with them. I know. 541 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,600 Yes, I know what you mean. Yeah. 542 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,040 I've hadn't thought of that before, but yes, yeah. 543 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,120 Should we talk about Spike? Because Spike's in this quite 544 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,360 early on. He's a, he's a tramp who is. 545 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,120 So the, the whole concept, the sorry, the whole conceit is that 546 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,840 in order for Tony's book to find a publisher, they need to, they 547 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,680 need to revive interest in the Loch Ness Monster. 548 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,560 So they decide they decide to create a fake one and float it 549 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,239 in the Serpentine and take a photograph and go up to Scotland 550 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,239 and blah blah blah. So they go to the Serpentine. 1 551 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:17,639 morning about 5:30 and there's spike fishing. 552 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,440 Good morning, Sir. I suppose you realize the park 553 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,840 isn't open yet. Yes. 554 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,920 Well, in that case, I'm afraid I shall have to ask you to leave 555 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,320 now. Go on then. 556 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,080 What do you mean ask me to leave? 557 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,000 Would you kindly leave the park now? 558 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:44,880 I will not leave this park. No care for a word? 559 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,679 No, thanks. I'm trying to give them up. 560 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,320 The clock tipped, you know. Look. 561 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,760 How long are you going to stay here? 562 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,560 Just long enough to catch a few rainbow trout for me. 563 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,400 Breakfast. Trout in the Serpentine. 564 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,000 Of course there's trout from the Serpentine, but they're kind of 565 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,720 little devils. When you pull them out, they 566 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,200 look like Roach. But they can't fool me. 567 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,560 Ha ha, ha. Oh, no. 568 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,840 But they can't disguise themselves. 569 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,640 And why not, may I ask? Well, what can they look? 570 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,200 Can you disguise yourself? Of course. 571 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,560 But they're fish. Of course they're fish. 572 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,120 That's why they're in the water, swimming around. 573 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:26,160 Swim, swim, swimming. Swim in the Serpentine, that's 574 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,200 why. Getting back to the fact that 575 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,560 Terry Nation wrote this, and I don't think it was really his 576 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,840 decision, but sometimes Spike's delivery goes into Dalek style, 577 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,080 doesn't it? When he's shouting about the 578 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,200 fish, Yeah. Now you did mention earlier on 579 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,720 Tyler what film we discussed last time we were here and we've 580 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,880 got a link here, haven't we? Of course Spike's in it. 581 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,240 Yes, it's like to start being Spike for a few minutes. 582 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,320 That's true, yeah. Yes, I kind of like to imagine 583 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,560 that maybe he's not playing a tramp, he's just playing Spike. 584 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,920 He's smoking around on the Serpentine, just waiting for 585 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:12,120 some Charlie to come along. And he can run rings around it. 586 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,440 It's interesting to look to things like, do you remember 587 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,960 when Holmes people were hilarious and we called them 588 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,560 tramps? And also, Freddie Frinton is a 589 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,280 desperate alcoholic who also drink drives. 590 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:33,920 Yes, Freddie Frinton. You couldn't make this foot. 591 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,320 You couldn't make that film today. 592 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,280 I thought you were going to go Kenneth Connor there, Tyler, a 593 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,920 pain in the arse. No, you couldn't make that film 594 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,520 today because it's 9:10 in the evening. 595 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,600 It's. Too late to start. 596 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,080 Hey, that's a really good point you just brought up there till 597 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,040 unwittingly, I might add. But of course, the the print 598 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,680 that we saw of this, and I don't know if this is the same for the 599 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,680 the print that that renown have on talking pictures or whatever 600 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,320 it may be, but it's got that funny business. 601 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,760 Again, another link with man about the house. 602 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,120 This is all coming back to the last film. 603 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,440 We've got multiple scenes where they are looking at the window 604 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,480 and it's night time. And then from the other point of 605 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,560 view, it's broad daylight. Yes. 606 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,480 And people keep stumbling over Dylan Thomas, who's trying to 607 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,880 have it away with some lass in the bushes. 608 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,120 Courting couples courting Another thing you don't get in 609 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,160 coffee. No. 610 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,000 Dogging now, but it is this. This, this frequent, frequently 611 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,960 scenes like that, isn't it that when they're looking at the 612 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,360 window and they're sort of shouting to Terrence London, you 613 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,400 know, careful because you can't see where the hell you're going. 614 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,880 And then next thing you see is him. 615 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,520 And it's basically like it's, you know, 10:00 in the bloody 616 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,320 morning. There have been cases of films 617 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,800 with different night shooting that have had somebody at the 618 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,360 lab go, oh, hang on a minute, this is a bit underexposed. 619 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,840 I'll fix that. So we don't know if if 1961 620 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,000 audiences saw it like, you know, in Plan 9 from Outer Space 621 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:17,040 Vision, just two shots from the same scene being in complete 622 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,800 different times of day. Oh look, a lizard. 623 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,240 That's my point there. I finished it. 624 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,000 You've just got. Distracted by the lizard? 625 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,600 You've just seen a lizard? Yeah. 626 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,880 OK. They're just everywhere here. 627 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,400 OK, OK. Was that the lizard? 628 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,800 Let's talk about Sid in this Sid James. 629 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:45,520 Sid being Sid, as I said in my intro, it's just he's on. 630 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,160 He's on, on the make, of course, because it's Sid James behind 631 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,640 the bar. And when we were watching this, 632 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,080 I'm not sure if it's you or Tilt Gary, one of you said that 633 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,920 someone had said that if Sid James had lived longer, he'd 634 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,920 have ended up landlord of the Queen Victoria. 635 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,320 I think that was Vince Powell who said that in Heroes of 636 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,120 Comedy, but Sid James. Yeah, it's interesting. 637 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,720 I can't, I don't know. I can't see it myself. 638 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:16,440 He he probably would have been too old for that role by the 639 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,520 time that that he then just came along. 640 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,320 But I could see it. I suppose I could more sort of 641 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,800 see it if you mess around with the timeline, if you had Sid in 642 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,800 this era here, yeah, you could see him in that role. 643 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,000 And I presume it would be more sort of light hearted, more sort 644 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,840 of Dave the barman, but. Yeah, but he wouldn't be going 645 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,680 up to dot Cotton and slapping her on the arse again. 646 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he does in this bill. 647 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,640 Just give me two minutes with chat GPTI will make it happen. 648 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,600 Till you you claim that Sid is the Paul Weddington of dirty old 649 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,480 men. What does that mean? 650 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,080 Oh, just because famously in in yes Minister and yes Prime 651 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,360 Minister, there was certain not getting scripts saying. 652 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,600 Paul doesn't have to say this line if he doesn't want to 653 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,160 because they knew how expressive he could be. 654 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:18,520 And yeah, the, the, I can't remember what's what, what 655 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,240 started that. I think maybe some some surprise 656 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:25,800 that Sid didn't go something. And he said he doesn't need to. 657 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,080 He's got his, his face can go crawl. 658 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:35,200 We have a sound. Yeah, I think there are at least 659 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,480 two films in which Sid plays an American well. 660 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,840 Carry on, cowboy. And I can't, I can't remember 661 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,280 one of them because I only saw a brief clip of it in the 662 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,800 succession of other clips, but he plays Benki the gangster in 663 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:57,400 Joe Macbeth, which is Macbeth reworked as a gangster film, and 664 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:03,360 of course plays Benki's ghost. Oh, OK, Does some in Carry On 665 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,240 Cowboy? Does Charles Hawtry put on an 666 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:07,920 American accent? I don't think he does. 667 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,160 Oh no, because he's playing the Indian chief, isn't he? 668 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:17,480 There you go. So he's just hello, ow now, 669 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,400 Gary. I just want to load an overview. 670 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,560 I've seen a film with the other Charles Hawtry, the earlier 671 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,880 Charles Hawtry. Well before he regenerated. 672 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,880 Before George Hartree decided it was a good idea to nick his name 673 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,440 and try and pretend he was related is. 674 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,120 That what he did, yeah, worked out for. 675 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,600 Him Charles Hawtree's Charles Hawtree's real name was George 676 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,120 Hartree, and he shared that Charles Hawtree liked to imply 677 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:48,800 that he was related to the other famous actor Charles Hawtree, 678 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,520 who I saw in a message from Mars. 679 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,680 Hang on, are we, are we doing like an episode of Mythbusters 680 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,040 here? Because you're telling me that 681 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,720 Charles Hawtry's name wasn't Charles Hawtry? 682 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,680 You're telling me this is all on Wikipedia? 683 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,440 This is not a Scotsman even like open Scottish television, for 684 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,120 goodness sake. So Sid James wasn't a Cotton, he 685 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:13,320 was a South African. He's in an episode of the 686 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,480 aforementioned Robin Hood. Robin Hood. 687 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,440 Robin Hood, they say different Robin Hood I can't, I can't 688 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,480 remember right. Robin, Robin Hood. 689 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,480 Whereas in the US people say Robin Hood different emphasis. 690 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,120 It's yes, since in an episode of Robin Hood, Robin Hood riding 691 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,040 through the Glen and he gets through yes, yeah. 692 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,480 And he's friends. And there's just one bit where 693 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,240 they get one over on the sheriff or something and they run off. 694 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:48,680 And as they run off, she said, God, you almost made it, Sid 695 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,040 for. The moment it looks as if you've 696 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,880 worn out, you're welcome. You better come to Sherwood with 697 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,280 me. I take back what I said. 698 00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,680 What was that? But you should have more respect 699 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,960 for danger. Said James played Robin Hood. 700 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,280 Did he? And then carry on again 701 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,120 Christmas. Carry on again, Christmas. 702 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,960 Was he in the the tights and all? 703 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,640 Going to say, was he in the nip? Yes. 704 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,000 No, he's he's in the film Regalia. 705 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,280 But it's a fairly broad interpretation of the role, as 706 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,880 you may expect. Can I just defend Adam Fit's 707 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:35,240 acting after this film in Budgie? 708 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,840 Because I've got Yeah, he's he's yeah, he is great In Budgie. 709 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,880 He wasn't a trained actor. And I have read reports that Ian 710 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,880 Cuthbertson used to sort of have to bite his lip because he found 711 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,280 it difficult to rehearse. I I was talking about this while 712 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,240 watching the film. I compared him to what what had 713 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,280 been said about Mickey Dolan's as a drummer. 714 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,760 I said Mickey couldn't repeat the triumph if he did a really 715 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,120 good take. And they said, OK, let's get one 716 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,960 more down. It might be all over the place 717 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,560 in the second take or slightly offer. 718 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,280 He couldn't do it again. He was too instinctive. 719 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,160 And I get the feeling that Adam Faith, you know, might be giving 720 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:26,520 a different line delivery every, every time because it wasn't in 721 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:32,880 his training. Oh, I mean, you know, there was 722 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,960 there was a shift. I think there was a certain 723 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,400 school of acting that kind of clashed with some of the more 724 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,200 loose the schools that came up subsequent to the 50s and 60s. 725 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,360 Yeah, I mean, he's all right. He's all right in this. 726 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,760 He's a bit bit wooden and it's a it quite matter when he hears 727 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,080 that song on the radio. This and the singer, I think he 728 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,760 describes the singer as a great knit, but it's obviously Adam 729 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,320 Faith. Himself. 730 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,600 Well, did you know it's what the the singer's name was? 731 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:09,440 No Eden Charity. Hope, faith and charity. 732 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,800 Right, OK. And of course, the Garden of 733 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,480 Eden residents of Adam. Yeah. 734 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,040 Very. So, yeah, we've got, we've got a 735 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,800 diegetic bit of music. So he sings along with the song 736 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,280 that he's playing on the radio, but he sings the harmony part. 737 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,440 That's weird. You. 738 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:36,440 Should you should try that on Mrs. Adams put a song on and 739 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,800 then start singing harmony part and then he's just lightly go. 740 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,240 What are you? Are you training for something? 741 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:52,200 Fetch me went up the bracket. If I'm if I'm quiet at the 742 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,600 moment, it's because I am currently researching whether 743 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,160 every episode of the host that Jack built actually was 744 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,920 broadcast. And oh, we did watch an episode 745 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:03,880 of that. I think Tilt. 746 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,560 I don't think you were all that fussed about it. 747 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,800 I didn't mind it. I thought it was all right. 748 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,480 But yeah, I think, I mean, Danton Faith I think died within 749 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,520 a year of of it being made, but I don't think there were any 750 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:15,800 plans. I. 751 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,480 Remember that? Who was in that apart from him? 752 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,200 Gillian Tailforth, Yeah. And Kelly Bright, who of course, 753 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,400 has now been done. He's in there and was in the 754 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,400 best program ever made. Teabag. 755 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,080 Hey, I had to get it in there somewhere. 756 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,720 Yeah, I, I chiefly knew him, I guess from Love Hurts, although 757 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:37,840 I don't think I ever saw a single second of that program. 758 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,240 But it was always being, it's always, it seemed to be always 759 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:40,920 on the TV. It's. 760 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,040 Always on, Wasn't it on Fridays? Every Friday, forever. 761 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,760 And I was always on the cover of the Radio Times as well. 762 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,560 Oh God, yeah, yeah. Gary, I think we touched on this 763 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,400 at the beginning, but did you? I know you wouldn't have, but 764 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,920 I'm going to. I'm duty bound to ask you when 765 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,040 they arrive in Scotland, when they when they pass the Scotland 766 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,640 sign, there's the sound of bagpipes and then there's 767 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,680 there's obviously other sort of stereotypical shenanigans. 768 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,760 Were were you at all offended, Gary, by any of this? 769 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,440 No, no. It's not Even so much that I 770 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,760 wasn't offended by it. I don't even necessarily 771 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,600 register it. No, I'm not looking at it and 772 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,760 thinking, oh, I better have an opinion about this. 773 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,840 It, it's just, it's just there. It's not something at all that 774 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:34,840 that I'm really conscious of. And I mean, because, you know, I 775 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,120 grew up in the era of, you know, Russ Abbott, CU Jimmy and what 776 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,120 have you. And it was just, it was just a 777 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,200 thing. It was just just, you know what, 778 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,200 what, what some comedians did so. 779 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,920 Russ Abbott can't have done that badly because he was on an STV. 780 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,160 Hulk money. Show yes, he was. 781 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,040 Yeah, No, he was. He was. 782 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,600 So obviously he was. Somewhat embraced by Scotland. 783 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,040 Oh, no, absolutely. WhatsApp was CEO Jimmy was very 784 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:03,440 popular in, in in Scotland. But I, yeah, I'm just, it's not 785 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,960 really Gary and the something that I'm, I'm really that, that 786 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,960 conscious of, I think till I think you're more conscious of 787 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,160 it than I am. Well, Gary and yeah, Gary and I 788 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,840 have a have an ongoing argument as to whether Scots is a 789 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,400 legitimate language. Well, I think we've established 790 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,680 this. It was It was written by a man 791 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,440 in Baltimore some years ago, so. What? 792 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:28,120 No, it's, it's Scots. I think he didn't codify it or 793 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:35,200 something, but Scots is Scots and English are as as, as like 794 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,000 Portuguese and Spanish. They're very similar. 795 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,880 There's huge crossovers, but there's also different bits. 796 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:47,600 I mean, Gary, you you've used the verb bridge, which I can 797 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,280 assure you does not exist in English. 798 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:53,440 Well, you you brinch in. Yes. 799 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,040 You just get Yeah, but that's that's not that's not an English 800 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,200 verb. What does that mean? 801 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,920 Brinch in means that you sort of you go into something head 802 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,040 first, you know, to hell with the consequences. 803 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,280 You brinch in. Yeah. 804 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,200 And of course I've got strumash, of course, which could, which 805 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,400 could be related because that could be the, the effects of 806 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,960 somebody brinching in. Then you have a right old 807 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:16,600 strumash, a Barney in a fight scrap. 808 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,360 OK, OK. I think I'm more sort of used to 809 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,640 it because my family used to nearly quite a quite a time in 810 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,560 the 80s. Our summer holiday would be in 811 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:34,920 Scotland, so I would notice the difference a great deal more 812 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,760 like, ah, right now I'm in Scotland, I'm surrounded by 813 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,920 Scottish culture and I can see the bits that stick out. 814 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,440 And I'm not like Yorkshire culture. 815 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,440 They like to think they're mean. Don't know the half of it. 816 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,320 I should, by the way, I should expand on on on what I was 817 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,160 alluding to there a minute ago. There was a story doing the 818 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:02,320 rounds about five years ago that almost every single article on 819 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,760 Scots that was on Wikipedia was written by the same person, an 820 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,680 American teenager. I don't know if this is 821 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,800 factually accurate or not, but that was the the rumor that was 822 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,760 doing the rounds. In this film, what do you 823 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,880 because I I found the central 4 lead characters. 824 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,160 You've got Adam Faith, you've got Terence Longdon, Carol 825 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,280 Leslie and a another the the French girl. 826 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,200 I do a disservice. What's what's her name? 827 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,160 She. Was called Marie Falls, which is 828 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,720 kind of. They they none of them do fast 829 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:43,120 very well, do they? And I found that that all the 830 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,640 stuff that was getting locked out of the the room and all the 831 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,040 salmon stuff. That almost felt like a genre 832 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,120 change. I mean, suppose there's farcical 833 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,920 elements to the shifting of the, ah, the shifting of the fish. 834 00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,320 Now that's the thing. So Sid James and the man in 835 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:07,480 charge of the hotel are involved in a salmon poaching peddling 836 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:13,000 operation, and they mistakenly believe that Adam Faith is the 837 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:18,320 contact that's been that's come up from the smoke to get these 838 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,280 salmon off of them. So they put the salmon in the 839 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:26,440 back of his purse. Gordon Superman, 3 Rawlings 840 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,280 spots these salmon and being a policeman, he goes off and tells 841 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,760 his Sergeant, Terry Scott, who comes over. 842 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,640 And of course, whenever you leave a location to tell the 843 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,840 police that there's something at a location, it will not be 844 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,080 there. Absolutely. 845 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:46,320 Those are the rules, yes. And these salmon are the most 846 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:52,800 remarkable salmon in the world because they leave no trace of 847 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,560 any olfactory evidence that they were there and. 848 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,040 Gordon's got a hooter on him, isn't he? 849 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,680 Yeah, they open the back of the hearse. 850 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,720 There's no salmon there, and Terry Scott's like, you're 851 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,800 wasting my time and all this guy, it's like, come on, take a 852 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,200 deep breath. Unless they both have a 853 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,800 nosemere. What's that? 854 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,440 Is that inability to smell? It's the absence of yeah. 855 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,160 Is it not specifically the inability to smell fish, 856 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,560 specifically salmon? Salmon. 857 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,400 Which which, let's face it, would be better than the the 858 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,680 ability to only smell fish even when there's none there. 859 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,240 That would be horrible. And anyway, the salmon get 860 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,080 shifted into the back of Freddie Frinton's car. 861 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,320 When, when, when Sid James and the and the hotel owner are 862 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,440 fetching this, you can tell that they're rubber. 863 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,600 Oh yeah, they just, they just did this. 864 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,080 But it's then like, that is fantastic that there's so many 865 00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:01,120 rubber salmon available to makers of British films, all 866 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,400 films in Britain. And you know, that you can 867 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,960 actually phone up a prop warehouse and say, yeah, have 868 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,000 you got, yeah, I need this many rubber fish. 869 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,480 No salmon. Yes salmon, please. 870 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,200 Two dozen at least, though. No, don't. 871 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,720 Don't toss in a couple of perch. It's all salmon, for God's sake. 872 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,800 You're not the only prop warehouse in town. 873 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,000 I don't think I could distinguish a salmon from a 874 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,600 perch from being honest. Well. 875 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,080 That's because you're not a properties man for a great 876 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,600 British film company. I'm sure if you you know, if 877 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,680 you've applied for that job and got it, that'd be probably day 878 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,680 one. No, your prop fish I. 879 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:43,360 Wouldn't get it though because of my lack of knowledge of what 880 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,920 distinguishes a perch from a salmon. 881 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:49,040 No, I think it, I think it's their responsibility to teach. 882 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:49,560 You. Oh, is it? 883 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,560 Yeah. Toss you in at the deep end of 884 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,240 day one. Would this film have been 885 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,160 immeasurably better without Freddie Frinton? 886 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,160 I say yes. That's right, just familiar 887 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:06,360 yourself. Anyway, I don't like policemen. 888 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,240 You know what, I think they didn't get the best out of 889 00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:14,480 Freddie Frinton, right? I found, I found Freddie Frinton 890 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,720 likeable, but he wasn't really doing anything other than 891 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,160 drinking and being, you know, slightly vulgar. 892 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,440 They did the old Anything you may say will be taken down in 893 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,440 Evidence City with trousers. You just seem to be spend the 894 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:33,360 whole the whole film either drinking, staggering or running 895 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,800 being pursued. I mean it, it sort of flashed 896 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,480 across my brain at one point that this film didn't have to be 897 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,640 about young people, didn't even necessarily have to be about 898 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,720 artists, because the central character is a writer. 899 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,720 You know, who's trying, I think. Hasn't he written a book about 900 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:53,760 the Loch Ness? Monster. 901 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,120 Yeah, yeah. And it's he can't get a 902 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,960 publisher for it because no one's interested in the Loch 903 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,360 Ness Monster. Because at one point I thought 904 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,680 you could actually have made this film with Sid James in the 905 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,480 Adam Faith part. You don't put him in the beatnik 906 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,160 commute, but he's a writer who's right on his offers. 907 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,640 And you could go from there and you could have Freddie Frinton 908 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,760 as the landlord. I was going to say, I mean, he's 909 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,160 too old for the the role as portrayed by Adam Faith, but I 910 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,680 was going to say for that role, Leslie Phillips, yes, because he 911 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,240 would be ideal as like a knife scoundrel who was trying to put 912 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:34,080 one over these idiot locals as he would see them. 913 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Terry Scott and and Gordon 914 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,560 Rollings, do they, do they work well together? 915 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,080 Do we feel as a as a double act almost? 916 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,280 When they're on the screen, that that's when it makes me think 917 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,520 that this is actually a Children's Film Foundation 918 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,960 feature, because that's what it feels like quite often. 919 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,880 Gordon Robbins occasionally sort of strayed into a slightly stand 920 00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,960 Laurel ish performance and I was wondered if they were sort of 921 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,760 trying to tell him to lean into that. 922 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,280 Like he thought, you know, if if if they'd if they'd had a 923 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,000 moment, they might have thought, yeah, let's get let's get Terry 924 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,480 and Gordon to do a Laurel and Hardy thing. 925 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,880 Wouldn't have really achieved a great deal, but it would have. 926 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,960 It would have been. I think as you pointed out, 927 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,040 interesting till when we were watching this film. 928 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,040 Unfortunately, Teddy Scott doesn't use his Children's Film 929 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,240 Foundation catch phrase. Which is. 930 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,040 Till do you want to deliver the? Line, I'm not swearing. 931 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,600 I'm not swearing on a podcast. My mum might be listening to 932 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,520 this OK. So there is What is the film? 933 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,240 Which one is it? I know it's Ben and Cribbins and 934 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:49,120 Teddy Scott. Oh is it 1 involving a ghost? 935 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,880 Probably because many of them did so. 936 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,920 Yeah, supposedly Teddy Scott annoyed with Bennett Cribbins 937 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,400 character. Shows you fucking great Nana. 938 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,800 What? And. 939 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,040 CFF. Well, yeah. 940 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,720 And we've we've, that is what it sounds like and I've listened to 941 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:22,400 it many times. We should point out Full 942 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,480 disclosure that we have occasionally been wrong about 943 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,360 supposedly coarse language in children's film foundation 944 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,760 features previously. Was that wankers or something? 945 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,520 Yes, yeah, which actually started to be wing gum. 946 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:43,640 And of course, Edwin Richfield in Trippers Day. 947 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,880 Yeah, I don't think we can repeat that one. 948 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,200 It was thugs. That was the word. 949 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,880 That was the word he was actually saying. 950 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,840 Yeah, sorry. I've got, I've just taken 951 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:59,480 delivery of some Eccles cakes. Hey, it sounds. 952 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,600 Like you've got a crate off them for God's sake, you use the 953 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,480 crowbar to get them open. It's a normal Amazon box. 954 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,840 I'm just I'm not going to put them and there just in case I 955 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,120 suddenly feel faint during the recording, I'm going to nibble 956 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,040 on the the echo cake. Now I'm going to imagine that 957 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,760 Johnny Vivian has got into this crate somehow, and when you open 958 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,720 it, he's going to surprise you when he jumps out and reveals 959 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,120 that he's eaten all the Echo's cake. 960 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,840 Yeah, that would be the worst, yeah. 961 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,200 I'm going to keep all this in tilt to piss you off. 962 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,480 I don't doubt you're going to keep it all in. 963 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:41,000 There's a bit where Vernon is. Vernon has has rigged up this, 964 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,880 what was it tape recorder? Oh yes, yes, so, so yes. 965 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,080 As part of his music concrete experiments, one of the things 966 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,960 they find he comes out with involving Carol Leslie's bottom 967 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,520 when she sits on some valves. In a certain way, it creates 968 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,920 this unearthly roaring sound, which they think, hey, we could 969 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,440 use that for the sound of the Loch Ness Monster. 970 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,080 Tragically, it was, you know, I mean, Doctor Who didn't even 971 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,640 exist yet, but it was also way too early for the first 972 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,120 appearance of the Loch Ness Monster and Doctor Who, which 973 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,240 was in terror of the Zygons. Was it wrong of me to think, you 974 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,440 know, when they're, when they're playing the roaring sound of the 975 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,440 Loch Ness Monster around the Loch and you've got Terry Scott 976 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,760 and Gordon Rollins and they're, they're out and about looking 977 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,880 for whoever. And Terry Scott suddenly says he 978 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,880 needs to get back to the station and he sort of waddles off. 979 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:40,200 Now, I'm assuming it's because of I'm assuming it's because 980 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,200 it's meant to be because he's scared of the sound of the 981 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,280 monster. But his face told me that he's 982 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,760 desperate for a shit. No, I thought, maybe he's 983 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,360 waddling off because Bladder had decided to take immediate, 984 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,600 decisive action to quote to quote Richie and Eddie. 985 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,720 What should we do now? Shit out of pants? 986 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,600 No, I've already done that. I could have been a line between 987 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:14,120 Teddy and Gordon, damn it. The end of this film, Gary, do 988 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,520 you want to describe the ending? I mean, they get, they get. 989 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,040 Well, you've got Adam Faith who dresses up as a Scotsman to try 990 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,600 and throw off yes. He does Hamish Mcsoran, yes. 991 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,720 He almost gets Hamish, doesn't he? 992 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,440 Yeah, he was so close, so close to, to, to, to, you know, hood 993 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,400 winking them. Who are you? 994 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,880 Do you know know me? No. 995 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,320 Hakim Hamish Mcspoten. I've come to put this place on 996 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,520 the map. Have you heard of the Tory play? 997 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,560 Brilliant young man with a marvellous breed. 998 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,800 Aki, give me the idea. What idea? 999 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,400 To make this place into a tourist centre. 1000 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,960 Tourists, millions of them, coming to see the Beastie. 1001 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,160 Aki can see it new. We'll have a 30 story hotel 1002 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,240 about there. As is often the case in films 1003 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:09,040 such as this, then when they find out, oh, Adam, it's Adam 1004 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,680 Faith from TV's budgie. Damn it, we've been, we've been, 1005 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:17,120 you know, Hornswoggle. Then he, they run after him. 1006 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:23,240 And in that scene, they are about not even arm's length. 1007 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,760 They're like closer than that. And then in the very next scene, 1008 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:31,840 he is about two miles from so he runs bloody fast. 1009 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,400 He really should have been in the Olympics. 1010 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,320 And before you know it, him. And is it him and Carol Shelley, 1011 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,320 or is it? Mali. 1012 01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:38,240 The French. Yeah. 1013 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:39,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see. 1014 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,400 It doesn't take long, but but Marie, I'm trying to do the 1015 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,760 French are there, I'm trying. So that's also why I'm saying 1016 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,760 Loch is because I'm trying, I'm trying to get as many, I'm 1017 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,040 trying to learn different languages. 1018 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,240 I'm trying to learn German. So I need to be able to do a 1019 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,960 good sound and they also have to thing. 1020 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,480 So Marie. Yeah. 1021 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,040 Marie falls in love with Adam Fairs very quickly. 1022 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,680 Well, or does he get the feeling that he's he's a he's a hunky 1023 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,800 catch? Of the day he is. 1024 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,600 My late wife watched Budgie before she knew anything about 1025 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:24,400 his pop career and found it hilarious the idea that Budgie 1026 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:30,440 was an actual pop star. She just, she she got it fixed 1027 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,160 there Mike. Because Budgie's a a loser and 1028 01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,240 also a really, really genuinely dreadful human being. 1029 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,480 Which is so. It's again why I wouldn't defend 1030 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:41,160 Adam. Fair. 1031 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:46,840 That show is watchable and the central character is evil. 1032 01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:52,480 Certainly completely immoral and occasionally drifting off into 1033 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:58,160 actual villainy, but it stays watchable and you don't 1034 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:03,120 necessarily want the character to be killed at the end of every 1035 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,640 episode despite how terrible he is. 1036 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,680 But you, you were saying he, he, he escapes in a boat with Marie. 1037 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,080 Marie. Yes. 1038 01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,960 Yeah, and there's, there's, there's the, the whole, the 1039 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,240 whole town is the the en masse, waving their fists angrily. 1040 01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:25,560 Well, here's the thing. What was Why were they angry at 1041 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,920 him? Because because, yeah, he'd he'd 1042 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,240 earlier, earlier on the Serpentine, he tried to fake a 1043 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:38,280 sighting of the monster by building, you know, an Essie 1044 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,600 thing and, and setting off a smoke bomb and trying to 1045 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,800 photograph it, making, you know, hoping that it'll look like. 1046 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,280 The surgeon's photograph is what's known as the most famous 1047 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,880 photographic example of the monster, which has been 1048 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,320 littered, not just deboned. Somebody involved in the taking 1049 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,400 of said, yeah, it was a fake. It was all because somebody was 1050 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,200 trying to take revenge on the Daily Mail. 1051 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:08,800 Really. Yeah, some somebody had fallen 1052 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:17,120 for an earlier hoax and the Daily Mail made fun of him, so 1053 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:22,800 he thought he would get back at them by sending them a 1054 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,640 persuasive photograph of the monster. 1055 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,400 Let me have a look. Sergeant's photograph attributed 1056 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,280 to Robert Kenneth Wilson, a London gynaecologist. 1057 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,280 Mr. Weatherall. I can't. 1058 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:41,560 I can't find his. I'm looking. 1059 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,200 I'm just looking at the Wikipedia page. 1060 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,680 Wetherill had been publicly ridiculed by his employer, the 1061 01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,040 Daily Mail, after he found Nessie footprints that turned 1062 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,440 out to be a hoax. To get revenge on the Mail, 1063 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,520 Wetherill perpetrated the hoax with his Co conspirator Sperling 1064 01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:00,160 sculpture specialist Ian Colin Marmaduke Weatherall, his son, 1065 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,280 himself a future actor who bought the material for the fake 1066 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,800 and Maurice Chambers and ensured this is a movie in of itself. 1067 01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,280 This is the better version of what a whopper it. 1068 01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,040 Is I mean. What you could do with a 1069 01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,960 character called Ian Colin Marmaduke Weatherall. 1070 01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,320 So yeah, so. So he's got, he's already got 1071 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:26,560 the fake Nessie kit. So he's got the idea of, of 1072 01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:31,320 putting it on the Loch and taking, taking some evidence. 1073 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,400 But everybody's got the same idea because they're trying to 1074 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,040 turn the whole town into a tourist attraction. 1075 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:44,200 And there is, there is a, a Loch Loch Ness Monster Centre near 1076 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:49,880 the Loch. And I've been there, and I found 1077 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:55,200 the experience deeply, deeply troubling. 1078 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,240 Killed some time all. Right, OK. 1079 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,920 So yeah, everybody so, so the, the, the whole thing is just 1080 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,320 like a mess of, of fake monsters. 1081 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,520 Gary, did you want to? Did you want to take it to the 1082 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,800 end? I I think we should leave people 1083 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,520 on a cliffhanger. Surely miss it to yourself, 1084 01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,200 Tyler, you're on the chair for this. 1085 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,560 So. Well, all I'll say is that I was 1086 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:22,680 I was with the film right up the the last 30 seconds and then the 1087 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:27,520 ending really took me out of it. But no, if Teddy Scott did not 1088 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,800 shut himself out of there, he definitely would have done no. 1089 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:35,120 So, so without giving too much away, the last voice you hear is 1090 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,280 if my ears don't deceive me, is Adam Faith. 1091 01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,120 Is it? Yes, speaking deeper and 1092 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,560 sounding a bit like Bernard Breslow. 1093 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:52,840 Yes, it's it's, it's a, it's an ending not not unlike the ending 1094 01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,720 to The Naked Truth of Peter Sellers. 1095 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,840 Yes, yeah, that, that could be a whole. 1096 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,800 I can't remember the ending of that film. 1097 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,800 That could be a whole little sub genre of its own films where the 1098 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,480 the ending or I'm going to I'm going to say towards the ending 1099 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,760 as well, because I'm going to include carry on camping in that 1100 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,240 as well. Like there's one little scene 1101 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,720 that just completely takes you. Yes, and you think Oh shit I 1102 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,320 forgot about this bit. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1103 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,120 So we won't, we won't spoil it because there will be people 1104 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,320 that probably want to seek this film out and we've done a really 1105 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,600 good job of, of selling it to you, I'm sure. 1106 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,520 We should also mention that Richard Wattis inexplicably does 1107 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,760 not appear in this film, which is a massive oversight for any 1108 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:41,280 British like let's see here. There is a there's a distinctive 1109 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,160 absence of Richard Wattis in this. 1110 01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,640 And Frank Thornton what? What part should he have played? 1111 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,120 It doesn't matter, just just give him a pardon. 1112 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:51,960 Should he have played Charlie's mother? 1113 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,520 The The thing is, is that if you put if you put women's clothes 1114 01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,280 in a wig on Richard Wattis, you get John Sanderson. 1115 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,240 He could have played 5 Robertson. 1116 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,520 Yes, because I'm standing here. My name's Fife Robertson. 1117 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:16,279 You have FUD. But yeah, I'll so you, we, we've 1118 01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:20,200 got that one concession to realism. 1119 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,319 They've got Fife Robertson, who absolutely would be the person 1120 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:26,800 that they'd send to cover that story in 1961. 1121 01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:31,439 If OK, here's the thing. If I'm if I'm living out in the 1122 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,479 sticks and in a nice little cottage and I'm knocked up in 1123 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:40,640 the middle of the night by 4 young people seeking shelter, 1124 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,200 why am I going to let one of them get into bed with me? 1125 01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:53,720 Because they're not Campbell's. That's very true. 1126 01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:01,960 See that that might be, that might be the, the most sort of 1127 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,720 outrageous stereotype, this whole thing that, that. 1128 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,240 So Archie Duncan plays a man who is called MacDonald, not 1129 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,000 Campbell. And he once he establishes that 1130 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,960 Adam Faith and friends are not Campbell's, he, yeah, he just 1131 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,399 lets them stand. He lets Adam Faith sleep with 1132 01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,439 him. But even in his sleep, Archie 1133 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,840 Duncan is sort of shouting about Campbell's. 1134 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,200 Whatever you're doing, stop it. We're leaving. 1135 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,520 I think it did mention when we were watching this that it could 1136 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,200 have easily been half an hour. Oh yeah. 1137 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,319 Just this could be like a little sort of not called not a comedy 1138 01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:46,240 Playhouse with the intention of making it into a series, but it 1139 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,960 could have been like a little half an hour frippery and of. 1140 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,480 Course the other thing it is there is no connection between 1141 01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:59,600 this film and the earlier film. What a carve up. 1142 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:05,280 Although I believe that there was some attempt to make this to 1143 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:10,600 to form some sort of series of films with what A yeah. 1144 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:17,520 OK. There was a a newspaper article 1145 01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:23,880 saying first it was carry on and now it's what a regular pictures 1146 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,360 goers will realise, of course, that in the first instance I'm 1147 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,080 referring to the carry on series of comedies. 1148 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,560 Now it seems there is to be a similar series, but with a 1149 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,320 difference under the what are banner and it says it goes on to 1150 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,840 say about what a carve up and then it says the second what a 1151 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,920 whopper has taken the floor at Pinewood produced by a a 1152 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,880 producer Teddy Joseph, starring Adam Faith, etcetera, etcetera, 1153 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,440 etcetera. But yeah, there's no that 1154 01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:49,920 obviously didn't take off and there wasn't. 1155 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,040 There's no connection other than the the the 1st 2 words really 1156 01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,680 isn't there. The same thing happened with the 1157 01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,480 Kramer Versus franchise. They stopped after Warmth. 1158 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,160 Thanks again to Tilton Gary, I love those guys. 1159 01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,960 They gave me my first start in podcasting and influenced me 1160 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,560 immeasurably. So please do check out the 1161 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,600 Sitcom Club and Jeffrey Cakes for Proust if you like this 1162 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,080 show. I think you'll love those shows. 1163 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:25,400 OK, just as a coder And following on from the brief 1164 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,280 mention earlier about What a Whopper being considered 1165 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,400 erroneously as a sequel to the film, What a Carve Up Whopper 1166 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:39,240 has has had a weird sort of literary afterlife, albeit very 1167 01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:44,160 slight. So in 1994 the the writer 1168 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:48,880 Jonathan Coe wrote a novel which borrowed the title from What A 1169 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:53,200 Carve Up the film and I read the novel soon after publication, 1170 01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,640 and I've enjoyed reading it on a number of occasions since. 1171 01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:01,280 It's a slightly farcical satire on British life as embodied by 1172 01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:06,400 the dreadful Windshaw family, whose lust for power takes some 1173 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,520 of them into the upper echelons of the media, the arms trade, 1174 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,600 agriculture, food production, the arts, even the health 1175 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,320 service. And the novel had nothing to do 1176 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,000 with the plot of the film of the same name, although the film 1177 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,680 actually is referenced and Jonathan Ko said that it was one 1178 01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,360 of those films that he caught by accident when it was shown on TV 1179 01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:31,720 one afternoon. Anyway, 20 years later, Jonathan 1180 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:37,080 Ko published a sort of follow up to What a Carve Up called #11 1181 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:45,320 and #11 comprises 5 parts with interconnected plot lines and 1182 01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:49,720 multiple points of view, and one of these parts is called What a 1183 01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:54,640 Whopper. There's a character, Roger, who 1184 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,840 is a specialist in what he calls paranoid fiction, and he 1185 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:06,160 dismisses the idea that What a Whopper is a sequel to the 1961 1186 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,120 film, What a Carve Up, simply because two of the same actors 1187 01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,040 are in it, said James and Adam Faith. 1188 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:17,680 But he also he also has an interesting train of thought. 1189 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,920 I'll just read this. Sequels which are not really 1190 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,360 sequels. Sequels where the relationship 1191 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:29,120 to the original is oblique, slippery actually. 1192 01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,560 I wish I'd mentioned this to the lads because I'm sure that I've 1193 01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,240 had something interesting to say about that. 1194 01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,120 Never mind, we ran out of time now. 1195 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,960 Roger's one sentence description of the film was fairly damning. 1196 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,200 Lame British comedy about a bunch of beatniks who travelled 1197 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,600 to Loch Ness to build a model of the monster, which isn't 1198 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:48,880 technically true, but never mind. 1199 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,400 One of my one of my regrets is that when I interviewed Jonathan 1200 01:13:54,400 --> 01:14:00,680 Koe in 2022, I didn't talk to him more about what to carve up, 1201 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:05,800 but it was mentioned briefly and he did indeed drop Whopper into 1202 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,960 the conversation. He wrongly cast Spike Milligan 1203 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,560 as a part keeper rather than a tramp, but I let him off for 1204 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,280 that. What A cover is obviously taken 1205 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:19,800 from the name of a Sid James film, Kenneth Connor film, which 1206 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,360 I think you saw on TV in 1990 or something, didn't you? 1207 01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,520 And you just kind of. Squirrel that away for future 1208 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,240 use. Yeah, that's right. 1209 01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,720 It it it was followed by a terrible kind of semi sequel 1210 01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,840 called What a Whopper Oh yeah, which features Spike Milligan as 1211 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,800 a part keeper. So there you go, what a whopper 1212 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,800 is worth a watch and occasionally pops up on Talking 1213 01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,480 Pictures TV. So keep your eyes peeled to the 1214 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:47,960 schedules like those locals gathered around Loch Ness hoping 1215 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,240 to catch a glimpse of Adam Faith's monster. 1216 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,080 Well, it sounds wrong, doesn't it? 1217 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,560 But anyway, you know what I mean. 1218 01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:57,560 Thanks for listening, I will see you again next week. 1219 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,960 Bye. Oh, what a weapon. 1220 01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,960 Whoa, whoa, whoa. What a whopper. 1221 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,960 One thing you're going to come across it. 1222 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,840 What a whopper. What a load and lie. 1223 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:15,040 Hey, you told a lie when you told me you bothered me. 1224 01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,960 Please tell me why it took me out of my misery. 1225 01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,000 You could've told me the truth to get rid of me. 1226 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,200 You told a load and lie.