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Remember when an episode of The 
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and you could tell it was 
clearly made in the 90s before 

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it became as sterile shadow of 
its former self and you go. 

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Yes. 
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that it was a clip show and yeah
you'd experience a mild twinge 

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of disappointment but they go. 
Well I've got nothing better to 

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do. 
I may as well watch it anyway 

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well this special show aims to 
at the very least replicate that

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experience. 
Welcome to this special bumper 

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sized Easter edition. 
Of ghum pod. 

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So, a couple of years ago, I 
thought I would add to the sum 

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of human Happiness. 
By starting a podcast about old 

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comedy, you can. 
Thank me later. 

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I do, seriously think that 
podcasters. 

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Good podcasters are the sixth 
emergency service police 

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ambulance fire Lifeboat pizza 
delivery. 

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Yeah, sixth, yeah. 
Well anyway, we provide an 

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essential service, which people 
can turn to when they need a bit

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of cheering up, or, or simply in
the case of gunpod, they want to

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hear a clip of a mule violently 
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I started the show in May 2021, 
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lockdown. 
And next week, show will be the 

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100th episode. 
I really never believed it would

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get this far. 
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to gain new lister's every week 
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Dare, I say it seemed to attract
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From the off which was very 
pleasing, and I worked like hell

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on Twitter particularly to 
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I feel that gradually the 
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And while it will always have an
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more the episode, see departures
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sometimes even music and films 
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never Way too far. 
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maybe next year, or maybe never,
I'm thinking of starting a new 

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podcast covering British comedy 
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maintaining this one, but it 
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and remain and divorced. 
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So the purpose of this special 
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sort of introduction to people 
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stumbling upon it by accident. 
I wanted to share a selection of

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clips from the Last 98 odd 
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will give a fairly good flavor 
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And its General tone and style. 
And, and humor, regular 

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listeners will have probably 
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at least, but there may be some,
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And even if not, I'd like to 
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a realization. 
I've been so lucky to me through

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this podcast. 
So lucky to meet so many 

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wonderful generous people each 
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some of them fairly famous. 
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each and every one of them as a 
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earliest guests was writer David
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David noticed the game-pod 
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something along the lines of her
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There's a podcast about the 
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contact with him, I invited a 
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Did you think they're if you'd 
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So you've touched on the 
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If you'd been born May Maybe 
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Five years earlier? 
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for Flying Circus but because of
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perfect age for the goodies in 
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Do you think? 
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I mean but you make your own way
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you know me and my friends we 
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know the older kids would come 
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to register a complaint and we 
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them, you know. 
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we liked punk you know to narrow
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We like pong they like to Pink 
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We Like the goodies, and we 
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like the young wolves, and 
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They liked Python and they liked
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I'm and I also, you know, 
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comedy writers bookish. 
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like Alice in Wonderland. 
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nonsense, edited by Paul 
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that's got python in it and 
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Milligan and the goons in it, 
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Simpson. 
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Much much loved by the pythons 
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Milligan of the West End is a 
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Brilliant, brilliant writer, 
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who and Beyond The Fringe, 
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stuff Simpsons. 
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of the funniest writers in the 
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Goons Natural History Museum, 
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She gets her. 
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You don't have to keep on at all
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soon as something to say when 
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dip into your pocket for a new 
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she wants to be a pterodactyl. 
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She lied about a girl that 
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another Workshop. 
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even their know because I joined
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Society in about 1976. 
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I was aware of the or the BBC 
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book you bought by Spike 
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that the Goon shows were hardly 
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because it brought them into the
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about lady doctor or Harold, 
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idea to it didn't matter, if you
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podcast covers anything and 
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So that can include a film with 
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But there are three things, I am
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cover Highway The Melting Pot 
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Harris show, but who knows? 
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Greg Wallace say is a huge fan 
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being so enthusiastic and 
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And speaking of Korean chips and
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the Beatles, such as in. 
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speaking to Chris diamond and 
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And that naturally led us to I'm
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sitcom in sickness and in health
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1980s and Spike had a guest role
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Harry. 
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Anyway, have a listen, I have to
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Yeah, and I mean, nobody's 
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something that's ever going for 
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they're our attitudes expressed.
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thing if the start of Disney 
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like care, if you have does the 
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I could be any from. 
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I'm not commenting on them. 
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AI thought I widen the other me 
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A lot have a little sing along 
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comes up. 
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depictions of are culturally 
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that the went right then and 
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But if you want to find out why 
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somewhere that will have a look 
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So I think is really 
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what it's seeing as there's some
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but it's going to be on in a 
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a month and it's going to be a 
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justly, hell are, you know 
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I couldn't quite understand what
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with Aladdin but if they have I 
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basically the depiction of 
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Yeah, may I thought does anybody
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realistic? 
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It's got blue genie in it. 
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arguments for me to be calm or 
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existence, but for various 
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however, is that it's to a 
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You know, till death us do part.
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problematic because I've gone, 
let's use of racial epithets was

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People said it. 
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But in then, Sickness, and in 
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anachronistic, so it marks off 
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because other people are around 
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weirdly more acceptable, because
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right. 
Until death us, do part in the 

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60s and the 70s, and Miss 
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I always feel there's an 
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questioning him for us using the
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It's just as opinions are wrong,
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admittedly, I'm not seeing till 
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years. 
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And but the two main arguments, 
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would quite happily chime in, 
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Is that some self? 
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He you don't stop. 
It's just a retailer with. 

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Tell him up for it. 
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Yeah but yeah you're right. 
There's the bar is very low. 

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Let me put it like that but in 
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body is actually very high. 
Alf uses racist once Arthur 

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Arthur English and not another 
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That's most people. 
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will argue without at times but 
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because they're old and out of 
touch and that it's not 

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acceptable widely. 
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So therefore, if that my put my 
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past that, it becomes a A really
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think quite important comedy 
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Hmm, about poverty, and the 
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the old and neglect and all 
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We obviously talked about gun 
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And in 2021, I was lucky enough 
to welcome actor and fellow 

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podcaster, Mike Fenton Stevens 
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career. 
But also to talk about An 

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episode of the goons very close 
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shirts with this show, with the 
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There's a line, where Milligan 
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camp, oppression was full of 
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to die rather than be captured. 
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It's wonderful at the moment, 
isn't it? 

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Yes. 
Good here, they slowly gather 

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they slowly get what has been 
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radical view that whole thing 
of, you know, I said to Adam 

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Brooke, you great, Twitter, you 
all those sort of things. 

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These are these were the sort of
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know, 15 years of 20 years 
earlier or 15 years earlier they

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were the generals who'd fought 
the War. 

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You know, these are the to the 
den be criticizing them. 

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It wasn't done in English 
society. 

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Wasn't done in British Society. 
You didn't do that. 

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And so it's a, it's a real 
change. 

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Yes, a sea change. 
I think to have that happen. 

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I mean, I do that sort of, you 
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Don't you all went to a good 
school? 

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Me? 
I went to Eton. 

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How long were you there about 
five minutes? 

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I was delivering the groceries. 
So, with, with the goons. 

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So you this, this is the one 
that you've listened to the 

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most. 
This episode is the one that 

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you're most familiar. 
It's absolutely the one that 

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when I think back it sticks out,
My mind. 

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And I think it's because we sort
of I don't know, I think my mate

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and I might have sort of tried 
to learn it. 

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Once we tried to learn the whole
episode so we could perform it. 

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I think that's what that 
performance was about, really? 

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I don't think we did all of it, 
but we did large chunks of it. 

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We memorize it. 
And so it is in my head, it's 

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still there. 
Once, I've learned to joke, I 

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can wreak I can recall jokes 
almost, as well. 

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As I can recall like nearly, 
everybody can recall the lyrics 

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because They're set to music and
you, it's amazing how long you 

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can remember. 
A lyric for you will song will 

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come on the radio that you will 
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maybe 50 years, and you join in.
So it's a stale, you know. 

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And yet you can I can play a 
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I finished. 
I have no idea what the lines 

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are. 
Hmm, they've gone from my mind 

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but jokes, you know, my friends 
are always saying you 

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ridiculous, you always remember 
joke. 

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Like, oh I do. 
I do like it's because I think 

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about them. 
I think about them and I think 

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that sort of puts them in my 
mind there's a line that Angus 

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wrote in a radioactive sketch 
and we did a tour of radioactive

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but recent good couple years ago
really just for the fun of it 

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really just because we went you 
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Yeah let's all get together and 
go around. 

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Have a nice lunches and do these
do this old material see what 

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happens. 
And if we had a brilliant time 

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and we were talking about 
something and I said said to 

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Angus, as we were Driving 
through the countryside, 

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Ponderosa to slide that line 
that you did about them. 

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Shag pile, carpet, and he went 
what lines that you said, I can 

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imagine what it is, but what is 
it? 

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And I said, well, you know, you 
were playing this sort of the 

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boss of the radio station. 
You said, I returned to the 

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hotel room to find my wife and 
the hotel porter putting the 

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Shag pile carpet to the use 
after which it was presumably, 

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originally named it. 
And he looked at me as if I was 

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some sort of alien and said, But
do you listen to the radio shows

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all the time? 
I said, no, I haven't heard that

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joke since we did it and he said
how how do you remember that? 

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He said I remember it. 
No you say it but how I said I 

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don't know but I absolutely have
one of those brains at know if 

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I've heard a joke. 
It's sort of stays it sticks 

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which is nice. 
This is nice. 

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Yeah. 
Mike is the host of course of 

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the very popular podcast my time
capsule and a true gentleman we 

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spend a lot of time talking 
about Out some of his TV work 

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which never really gets 
attention these days. 

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Such as who dares wins and 
people like us actually People 

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Like Us has come up several 
times over the course of this 

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podcast and deservedly so they 
went repeater but be nice. 

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If they did I'm goon pod. 
I'm always Keen to speak to 

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people who have had some direct 
experience or even friendship 

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with any of the goons or work 
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basis over the course of a 
couple of hours. 

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I chatted to Legendary producer,
Dirk maggs. 

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About the work. 
He's done over the years 

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bringing the goons to new 
generations such as his awesome 

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1991 documentary at last, the go
on show and giving again a 

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decade later featuring former 
gun pod, guest Jeffrey Holland 

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in the guise of Peter Sellers 
around the time of the 1991. 

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Documentary dirt was riding high
with the radio series flywheel 

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shyster, and flywheel, which we 
staged for radio, some classic 

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Marx, Brothers shows, and he 
told me how he fancied doing the

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same. 
With the Goon show, when I 

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interviewed, you know, I said, 
despite when we did the 

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interview for that lasted, go on
show. 

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I said, how about doing a gun 
show like we did flywheel and 

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would you come aboard? 
And he said, I don't think, 

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don't think I've got the Esprit 
de corps anymore. 

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So, hmm. 
So I kind of left it. 

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I thought. 
Well, I'll come back. 

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You know, I'm talking. 
I said it to Harry and Harry 

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said, I'll do it. 
I'll do it said Harry. 

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I'd love to. 
Hmm. 

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So, you know, one out of three 
or four and then Mike Michael 

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benteen, we did the interview in
the Paris about the goons. 

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And then at the end, I said, by 
the way, Michael, I've been 

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thinking, you know, would be 
possible maybe to resurrect some

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of the early stuff that really 
has been lost. 

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And this was before some of the 
tapes turned up I should add. 

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And, you know, would you be 
interested in cake? 

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Taking our eye sore? 
I don't know. 

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I don't know. 
I'd love to see the guys you 

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know he said let me think about 
leaving. 

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Let me think about it so you 
know. 

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Okay. 
Fine. 

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Wait. 
But a week later the phone rang 

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is Maureen. 
Got it my PA and she said, it's 

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Michael benteen. 
Do you want us to teach it as if

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yes? 
To course, I did. 

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So he handed a cross and he said
hard. 

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Yeah, it's Mike Banting. 
That's how Michael he said. 

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Look, I've been thinking about 
this idea of yours and I've 

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actually had a word with Peter 
about it and really doesn't want

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it to happen, okay? 
And as, you know, by then Peter 

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had been dead for 13 years. 
Yeah. 

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Hmm, 12 you anyway and because I
respected Michael very much and 

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I respected his beliefs you 
know, in this sort of thing I 

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said, okay, okay. 
Well thank you Michael, thank 

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you for thinking about it. 
Put the phone down. 

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I thought holy smoke. 
Well, if Peter doesn't want us 

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to do it perhaps we shouldn't 
speaking of Michael Benteen we 

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did a show about his nineteen 
sixties television series. 

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It's Square world and my friend 
tilt arise. 

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A join me to talk about that and
Benton's life in general, we 

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only scratched at the surface 
though so there will be a part 2

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at some point but for now here's
tilt talking about a role which 

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very nearly went benteen's way. 
Speaking of mad scientists 

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course we get. 
What might well be a televisual 

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first. 
Dad from December, 31st 1963. 

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I think the cancer is called dr.
Fathering, Gail, some 

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farthingale, something like 
that. 

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Mmm, but Clive done is wearing 
an approximation of the outfit 

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of the first doctor from Doctor 
Who. 

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So 1963 is just leaving the 
calendar and we have, what is 

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probably the first Doctor Who 
parody? 

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What are the most exciting items
of news which is leaked out. 

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Lately is the fact that the 
British at last again to send a 

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rocket into outer space. 
It is the txr to for which we 

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have a half-scale working 
working model in the studio 

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tonight as you can see and the 
idea is to orbit around the 

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Earth and to gain momentum and 
then to shoot it up into orbit 

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around the moon. 
And here to tell us something 

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about it. 
Tonight is a very distinguished 

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member of the Irish 
interplanetary society and the 

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British rocketry commission. 
Scaring have a word with him. 

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If you are my grieving doctor, I
wonder if What do you think 

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that? 
Could even catch a excuse me, 

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but, I'm whom have I the honor 
of addressing. 

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Oh dr. 
Farzam gown Doctor Who no, not 

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Doctor. 
Who in God's? 

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Holy God. 
So it was around the Kennedy 

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assassination. 
Time was Doctor Who started on 

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the 23rd of November 1963. 
Right, there you go. 

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And So within weeks, banty does 
noticed the show and it's 

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obviously kind of thing that 
appeals to him. 

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Yes. 
And of course, he was offered 

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the part but turned it down 
because he was told he wouldn't 

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have time to be involved in the 
scripts. 

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Yeah. 
So that would have been for I 

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think for the role that 
eventually went to Pertwee Tom 

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but I've been just come back. 
I'm pretty. 

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Yeah, because I think they asked
everybody before they asked Tom 

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Baker. 
And my wife has not forgiven Tom

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Baker for say yes, because if he
had said, no the next name on 

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the list was full to Makai. 
I could see that how would 

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benteen if played the character?
Do you think if he had taken the

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role, I think I can see more or 
less playing himself really. 

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With guns Doctor Who was guns. 
Sort of scythia sort of 80% 

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himself. 
Maybe 20% Professor Pure Heart. 

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Mmm. 
But there's this not really, 

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there's not really much he needs
to do to develop a kink or a 

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quark. 
This, he's got it. 

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Comedian elmarie is made. 
No secret of his love for the 

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goons and Milligan and his War 
Memoirs in particular and join 

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me last year to talk about it. 
As always, as you'll hear the 

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conversation via is off into 
talking about other comedy as 

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well. 
But our did talk with some 

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passion about Spike and what his
books meant to him. 

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It's worth seeking out that 
podcast, if you haven't heard, 

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Heard it. 
It's on the gun pod feed. 

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Anyway, here's Elle both. 
Silly sure. 

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I am taped me doing the doing, 
the voices will be some cassette

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somewhere me. 
Gave me me? 

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Yeah, well, that's a bit, but it
would have been a first script I

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ever heard of any of any, you 
know, beyond beyond. 

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Do you know, doing looking at 
Shakespearean, English at 

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school? 
The first script, I read. 

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So what's g w FX? 
Yes, what's going on here? 

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What's happening and it it 
really, really shaped my View. 

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Kind of like what's possible, 
you know what? 

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What's possible on radio. 
Remember, the being really into 

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Radioactive on Radio 4 because 
they seem to have, they seem to 

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have got their heads around the 
idea that you needed, you know, 

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it's not a sitcom. 
It's, it's got to be, it's got 

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to occupy a different space, 
just sort of straight sketch 

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there. 
Yeah. 

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And, and I remember, Then I 
remember when I got Unis sort of

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Victor or after University dick 
and Bob were a big thing. 

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And I remember something, I mean
I love Vic and Bob, but I 

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remember saying, come on, this 
is the goods. 

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This is the this is completely 
in line with what Milligan was 

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doing in the 50s and then and 
then what he was doing on TV and

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accuses, it's completely in this
genealogy. 

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Surely. 
Yeah. 

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And all my, all my clever mates,
gone are, those true revolution 

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has nothing on you and you're 
doing shows nothing. 

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I like a good show. 
Silly voices and I'm thinking, 

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no, this is the, this is the the
judge that they used to do on 

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victim Big Night. 
Out judge, judge, not make. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Miss. 

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What if that were in the Goon 
show, you won't be surprised 

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right out of it. 
And that's not that, which is 

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again, isn't isn't to say, I 
don't, you know, I love the 

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Kebab. 
I think they're amazing and 

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interestingly, they're also, 
they're not officer class. 

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Are they that that's the other 
thing is that they're that 

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they're coming at it from From 
that different, that different 

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perspective and the the satire 
they do, the TV send-ups, they 

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did. 
I mean, the TV send-ups, they do

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for used to do spend a reason 
Mortimer. 

449
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,900
Again really remind me of Q in 
lots of ways. 

450
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,900
Yeah, yes, absurd. 
Absurd, makeup and sort of 

451
00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:59,300
strange costumes with big feet 
and stuff and it's all sort of 

452
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:02,400
quite Spike, I think a smell of 
his Immortal. 

453
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,300
I think of Steve Coogan before 
he was famous. 

454
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:09,300
Yeah, that with a prosthetic 
ridiculous chin and a yeah. 

455
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:11,700
Is always a big forehead. 
I'm not quite sure I haven't 

456
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:12,400
been here. 
Yeah. 

457
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,500
Crying and he's and apparently 
he's the lead singer of go west 

458
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,900
and he's he's lost his Top Cat 
video without it. 

459
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,800
Yeah. 
And it's and it's and it's not, 

460
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,700
it's not a criticism. 
It's a like this is the this is 

461
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:25,900
the stuff. 
I really love that people, 

462
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:28,000
people completely prepared to be
silly. 

463
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:54,800
Video. 
Have you lost your top cap 

464
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,800
video? 
I know you fail. 

465
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,900
I lost a very dear relatively 
recently. 

466
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,800
You told me it was a very day a 
wristwatch wristwatch. 

467
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,300
Yeah. 
Whispering was booked, my 

468
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:09,200
uncle's wear it when I shot him 
anywhere. 

469
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,000
That's not half as bad as this 
fellas loss. 

470
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:18,900
So I had this script and the 
thing is is then, of course, 

471
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:23,800
what you do is you finally get 
because it, you The bike tapes, 

472
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,600
this is quite the 40-hour. 
Get out a good show. 

473
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,900
Finally. 
You get a hold of the thing. 

474
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:30,500
You listen to it with the script
anything right? 

475
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,900
Okay. 
The picture in my head wasn't 

476
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:35,800
exactly. 
Yeah, exactly. 

477
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,900
Right. but but the sort of how 
vividly they're written in terms

478
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:44,200
of what Spike trying to get out 
of what the what they can do on 

479
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,200
the radio is very, very 
interesting and how well he knew

480
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,300
what they could do with, you 
know, G + FX and how well, he 

481
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:55,700
knew what he could do and what 
sellers could do and what seek 

482
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:58,000
and was capable of and then 
everyone else brings lane or you

483
00:27:58,008 --> 00:28:01,700
know, the other cast of 
characters, it's there at their,

484
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,500
they're amazingly well, written 
that God is absolutely in 

485
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:08,600
control of his materials and 
Anyways, this podcast would not 

486
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,600
have come about without the 
advice guidance and support of 

487
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:17,000
Adam Leslie. 
Adam not only created the gun 

488
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,100
pod logo, but he composed and 
performed. 

489
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:23,100
The brilliant theme tune and he 
was the first guest back in May 

490
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:26,300
20 21. 
It was Adam who suggests a 

491
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:27,700
broadening? 
The scope of the show to look at

492
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:31,400
anything with a goon connection.
However, tenuous so one day I'm 

493
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,300
sure we'll be doing 90 minutes 
talking about how he seeking 

494
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:39,600
montar bucks luck from 1972. 
And speaking of hairy seek Him, 

495
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,500
Adam, whose podcast, Richard 
tube is a must listen for fans 

496
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:47,700
of classic or obscure Italian 
film atoms. 

497
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:49,600
Join me a few times to talk 
about dr. 

498
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,300
Strangelove and also the film 
adaptation of Spike Milligan 

499
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:59,000
celebrated post-apocalyptic. 
Or is it just apocalyptic play 

500
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:01,800
the bed sitting room the film 
from 1969. 

501
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,000
Here he is talking about one of 
the film stars seek him. 

502
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:10,300
Himself the other main although 
it's not really a main character

503
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,200
but certainly for the benefits 
of this podcast he's a main 

504
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,000
character. 
So hurry seek Him turns up in 

505
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,300
quite a Sinister roll. 
Yeah, so he carry plays shelter 

506
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:26,300
man. 
He's like a conspiracy theorist.

507
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,600
Yeah he's a survivalist. 
Yeah, exactly. 

508
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,600
Yeah. 
He has filmed at, he's carrying 

509
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,900
around Loose Ends of films are 
not on a real, they just loose 

510
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:36,200
bits of film and they prove 
things. 

511
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:38,900
So he's quite Two pressing 
character, really? 

512
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:43,100
He comes, he brings true as 
quite a modern character. 

513
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:45,300
In the internet age of somebody 
who's got all this proof on 

514
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,700
these bits of films of all 
these, these conspiracies are 

515
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:50,800
currently to these talk about 
various Kennedy's. 

516
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,700
I think, at one point. 
Yeah. 

517
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:54,800
And he's also obsessed with LBJ 
with. 

518
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:59,600
Yes, Lyndon Baines Johnson. 
He is, we find out, he shot his 

519
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,500
wife, Mildred, mother, and his 
mother as they pleaded with him 

520
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:08,300
to let them in his shelter. 
So this This is Harry siguen 

521
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:11,700
playing an incredibly dark 
character and he's got this 

522
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:16,400
anatomical diagram other female 
on his wall, which he's now 

523
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,800
married to. 
Hmm. 

524
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:24,100
Yes. 
It's, it's quite Bleak my 

525
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,900
general overall thought on the 
film is that it's so nearly 

526
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:32,100
works. 
It's so very nearly a really 

527
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:36,000
great film and it for me anyway,
it just doesn't quite work. 

528
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,500
doesn't quite reach that 
jaw-dropping, bleakness that, I 

529
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:49,000
think it nearly has And I think 
a big thing for me is the music,

530
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:53,400
it has okay Thorns music that 
burbles throughout certainly 

531
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,800
throughout the first three 
quarters. 

532
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,800
This, this it's this kind of 
this is comedy music, yes. 

533
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,900
But bra 
doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. 

534
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,800
So it will this stuff happening 
in this really horrible 

535
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,500
Wasteland and you get that, it's
a character like that. 

536
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:14,400
Harry C comes playing really 
juxtaposed against his normal 

537
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,700
personality. 
I mean he's got the normal Barry

538
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,400
seeking personality, but the 
things he's done he's he shot 

539
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,300
his wife and his mother and now 
he's dating an anatomical model 

540
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:26,700
on the hung on the wall, but the
music's going to. 

541
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:32,600
But mad do, do, do, do do. 
This is comedy and I think had 

542
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,800
it been playing out either in 
silence or maybe something a bit

543
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:42,000
more radio phonic or something 
to contrast with it a bit more 

544
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,000
or something. 
Other than that. 60s. 

545
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,600
This is comedy music. 
I think it would have landed 

546
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,300
tonally a lot better and I think
it's not. 

547
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:54,900
I mean, everyone laughs at 
different things, but for me 

548
00:31:54,900 --> 00:32:00,100
it's not quite funny enough. 
To be a proper Laugh Out Loud, 

549
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:01,100
Comedy, although there were 
bits. 

550
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:04,600
I did laugh out loud out but 
consistently. 

551
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,000
It's, it's the comedy is 
undermined by the bleakness, but

552
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,200
it's not quite Bleak enough to 
be really who. 

553
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,300
That's, you know, all this is 
good Adams co-host on retro 

554
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:19,200
tube. 
Is the irrepressible, Heather, 

555
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Wainwright, whose sense of humor
and infectious, giggle, livened 

556
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,300
up, a goon pot. 
Episode on the Phantom head 

557
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:29,200
shaver of Brighton at one point,
we felt felt talking about the 

558
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,500
music in the show and she 
revealed a great love for 

559
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,600
Ellington. 
And then she started talking 

560
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,100
about her hamster. 
When I, when I was like the 

561
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:49,100
height of my goon Obsession. 
So I was what I got a hamster. 

562
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:52,300
It was like, this, this little 
bit wasn't, like, your normal 

563
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,600
everyday kind. 
It was like a longer Black Rock 

564
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,900
and Roll can hamster. 
They had like really long, fur, 

565
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:59,400
and little paint balls and whose
We keep and I called him, 

566
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:06,300
Ellington after they his fate, 
he's very favorite thing in the 

567
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:11,000
world is on your budgies. 
Oh my God, he loved her. 

568
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,800
He looked at. 
Yeah, he always whenever out 

569
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,400
whatever. 
Like I was listening to the dojo

570
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,100
do he's like kind of like have a
little have a little sniff 

571
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,100
outside and sort of how come and
sit with me and it was really 

572
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:27,000
nice. 
Ellington you take it, I take 

573
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,100
it. 
Led to this. 

574
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,000
Peered up to that sort of 
hamster, cage in the sky. 

575
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:35,600
It was a really sad. 
Dramatic Rock, n Roll death. 

576
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:44,300
He escaped. 
I feel like I put food out for 

577
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,000
him. 
I tried, I tried to lure him 

578
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,000
with treats. 
Nothing happened, then L don't 

579
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,400
laugh. 
Honestly, I was sorry. 

580
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:59,900
I was devastated, he's laughing.
Release it Rocky, Road, deaths, 

581
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:02,500
King, hang on. 
Did he drive a Rolls-Royce into 

582
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:07,900
a swimming pool closely? 
But I found it, he, he drowned 

583
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:12,400
in this a picnic in the little 
washing up bowl and sink. 

584
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:17,600
Yeah, so it was, it was quite 
rock star e. 

585
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,100
It was, it was a fitting, gives 
a fitting end for a very rock 

586
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:26,300
and roll and stuff, who was 
named after, you know, and 

587
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:28,900
musical Legend as far as it's 
because I I'm concerned. 

588
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:33,400
So yeah, poor old Ellington. 
All right, well, this sort of 

589
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:41,800
moment silence for the Ellington
Phantom head shaver to Phantom 

590
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,699
raspberry, blower writer. 
Joe Morris joined me to talk in 

591
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:48,800
some detail about the Phantom 
raspberry blower of old, London 

592
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,800
Town. 
The spike Milligan scripted TV 

593
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,300
play which Ronnie Barker starred
in first in 1971 in later in an 

594
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,900
expanded form. 
Part of The Two Ronnies Joel and

595
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:03,900
I talked in great detail about 
the two different versions as 

596
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,900
well as the background to its 
creation and pleasingly. 

597
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,400
We talked at length about Barker
and The Two Ronnies to the full 

598
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,600
episode is available on the Goon
pod feed from your favorite 

599
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,400
podcast platform but for now 
here's a clip, every two years, 

600
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,700
every three years, I'll sit 
down, you know, with a bacon 

601
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:26,000
sandwich and I'll watch the film
of 10 rillington place which 

602
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:28,000
which I adore. 
Okay. 

603
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,500
Okay. 
So watch that I watch the 

604
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:31,800
re-watch it again, a couple of 
weeks ago and it still holds up 

605
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,600
and still fantastic piece of 
work. 

606
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:37,100
Horrible, come horrible film, 
horrible for all right. 

607
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:39,600
I mean the best way as in like, 
yes, like that, like, the Texas 

608
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,900
Chainsaw Massacre, horrible 
films in this. 

609
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:42,400
What it's meant to be. 
It's meant to be. 

610
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,800
It's a wonderful achievement. 
Yeah. 

611
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,500
So watching this and there's a 
saying there's lots of exterior 

612
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:51,300
shots of mix of that. 
She filmed at rillington place 

613
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:53,000
that. 
Yeah, but it's a polished. 

614
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:55,700
Yeah. 
And then I'm watching the six 

615
00:35:55,700 --> 00:36:00,300
dates with Barker Version. 
And I'm looking at this that I'm

616
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,800
looking at the scene where 
they've cornered the Phantom, 

617
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,200
he's down this drain and I'm 
thinking now that looks 

618
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,800
familiar. 
Yep, that is rain, looks 

619
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:15,000
familiar because there's a 
exactly that when I watched her 

620
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
bark of the first I was watching
it with Jason Haley went boom 

621
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:18,500
yeah. 
Yeah. 

622
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:23,100
Writing partner and he was he a 
huge Wellington Place fan and 

623
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:28,000
and us as a teenager a fan of 
classic murders and he went shit

624
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,100
with. 
In sector that's running in 

625
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:31,100
place. 
And I was slightly flying by how

626
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:33,600
quickly he recognized it, but 
also just. 

627
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,100
Yeah. 
So you freeze frame it, which I 

628
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:39,200
would you do. 
And, and it is, and they must 

629
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,600
have known. 
Oh God, you must find. 

630
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:45,000
And also you don't go down into 
the sewers at Rollins plays 

631
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,900
without knowing what what was 
down in the sewer that really 

632
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:54,500
did, but it's really grim. 
Finally on New Year's Eve, 1899.

633
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,500
He was cornered in a sewer in 
the Crystal Palace area. 

634
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,400
I know you're down there, give 
yourself up over, play your own 

635
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,500
devilish recording back yoke, 
Amplified with a new electric 

636
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:17,100
police. 
All 

637
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:38,400
We will not bargain for those 
things were, as sometimes 

638
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,400
happens with the TV and film, 
where you will use the same 

639
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,800
location because you know, that 
there's permission available to 

640
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,300
film there. 
Well, maybe, I think people 

641
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,700
always on TV. 
Nerds and fans, always moan 

642
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,200
about the same Clips being used 
again and again in documentaries

643
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,800
and Answer is because the 
clearance is already been done 

644
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,300
for those, you'll use that shot 
of the people in granny takes a 

645
00:37:57,308 --> 00:38:00,300
trip looking through the the 
60s, carnaby Street fashion. 

646
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,000
Because, you know, there's 
precedent. 

647
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,700
Lawyers were each other, no one 
in that Clippers objected to it 

648
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:07,400
being used you go on your own 
clip. 

649
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,000
There's a Days research being 
done, that is time. 

650
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,000
You want to spend on getting 
another clip to beat you, you 

651
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,400
send your researchers out, you 
spend your research time wisely,

652
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,200
you don't do something twice and
if you, if you don't have to so 

653
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:24,800
very often clip, Become the 
stuff of rubbish piling up in 

654
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,400
the streets in the winter of 
discontent that clip is, we know

655
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,500
we're clear. 
None of the been objected. 

656
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,400
So that's why gets used again 
and again. 

657
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,200
And I wonder whether you sort of
say, oh, well that location 

658
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,600
appears to be available, it pays
to be suitable for filming and 

659
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,300
it's a good horror location. 
Yeah. 

660
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Another great example of 
sometimes that when you want to 

661
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,200
do a parody of something, the 
best thing to do is to do it for

662
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,200
real to use the relocation. 
So, what some of the think, one 

663
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,900
of the things that works, but 
the Phantom roughly, blah, 

664
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000
certain did for me as a kid, is 
that, when it's scary, it's 

665
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,500
actually is quite scary. 
Re the face of the rotted. 

666
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:55,500
Blower is from. 
Yes. 

667
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,100
Yeah. 
And and the the appearance, the 

668
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:01,400
jump scares, they're funny but 
they're directed the same way as

669
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,200
you do an attack by Dracula or 
attacked by by by Jack the 

670
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,900
Ripper. 
They're shot the same way to 

671
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:08,900
make the joke work but we 
believe it does give a little 

672
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:13,600
frizz on and when they go to 
that creepy, horrible corner of 

673
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,000
London. 
The dead end. 

674
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:16,600
Mmm. 
I'm ready to places are 

675
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:22,100
brilliant location because it's 
this horrible Victorian of slums

676
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:24,200
with. 
Nasty little sort of Victorian 

677
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,200
sewer under it and a brick wall.
It's somewhere. 

678
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,600
But you go down to, and you 
can't escape where you'd get 

679
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,400
cornered. 
We get trapped, so weird. 

680
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,900
It's perfect location for the 
end of the thing, but yeah, the,

681
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:37,900
the vibe you get by watching and
knowing that that's reeling to 

682
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,300
place. 
Our John Christie done, all 

683
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:42,800
their murders, horrible, really 
nasty. 

684
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:44,700
Maybe it's a sick joke by 
Milligan. 

685
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:48,700
Who knows, I like to refer to 
the times when chats with guests

686
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,300
wander off into other areas as 
conversational Meandering and 

687
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,800
hang up as a couple of examples.
Firstly, the writer Bob Fisher 

688
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,300
joined me ostensibly to talk 
about The Bleak Peter Sellers 

689
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,400
forgotten film The Block House. 
But before we tackle that for 

690
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,400
some reason, the subject of 
Hilda, Baker arose for those, 

691
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,700
too young to remember who the 
baker was, she starred in a 

692
00:40:09,707 --> 00:40:12,800
number of unremarkable and 
extremely broad sitcoms in the 

693
00:40:12,808 --> 00:40:15,200
70s. 
And once appeared on top of the 

694
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,800
pops with other Millard singing,
You're the One That I Want. 

695
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,700
Who's Arthur my lord. 
Well, he did manner. 

696
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,700
Oh, have you seen? 
There's that right. 

697
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:28,000
This was shown on BBC for a 
couple. 

698
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
It's a few years ago. 
Now bbc4 went through a period 

699
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:34,800
of The good old days on a Friday
night. 

700
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:38,500
So straight straight after their
top of the pops repeats there 

701
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:42,900
was an episode of that Shone 
with Hilda Baker in kind of 

702
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:47,500
false in fact but Hearst because
she had a stooge. 

703
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:49,100
Didn't she called sin? 
Yes. 

704
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,500
That's right. 
Yeah and and and her Cynthia for

705
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:55,600
a few years was it was a pre 
Fame, Matthew Kelly. 

706
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:58,600
Oh so yeah. 
Absolutely. 

707
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,600
And he's on one of the episodes 
of the good old days with Hilda 

708
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,200
Baker. 
Sure. 

709
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:06,200
So yeah, there you go. 
I just read my name's all over 

710
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,200
the Paulo. 
That's fine. 

711
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,400
I'll cut. 
All they do is look at the 

712
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,500
spread out. 
But no. 

713
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:21,200
No, I'm about to say because I 
think she went in the hospital. 

714
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,800
Okay. 
And none of the cast like to 

715
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,800
particularly as she was always 
being she was being very, she 

716
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,400
was always very off hand, with 
the cast of she felt that she 

717
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,300
was being upstaged. 
It should be quite she could 

718
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:37,700
poke and but in her absence so 
that the fourth series or 

719
00:41:37,707 --> 00:41:41,000
whatever it was of not on your 
Nelly, they bought in Jack. 

720
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,700
Douglas who was hurt that 
character was her cousin. 

721
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,200
Yeah. 
And because held a baker wasn't 

722
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,600
there because she was in 
hospital, they needed another 

723
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,500
character so they decided that 
Jack Douglas is character 

724
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:58,500
whatever identical twin brother,
okay? 

725
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:01,800
Right obviously played by Jack 
Douglas. 

726
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,900
Yes, but they didn't have the 
inclination, or the money, or 

727
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:08,900
the technology to do split 
screen or anything like that. 

728
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,100
So you never see them together 
everything together. 

729
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:15,800
Well well you do see them 
together, there's an exterior 

730
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,100
shot of Jack and his brother 
walking out of the pub, right? 

731
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:24,800
Okay, shot from behind Jack, 
Douglas is walking out. 

732
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,700
He can see Jack Douglas, you can
see his brother but his brothers

733
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:34,900
walking backwards next to him, 
Played by a bloke who's five 

734
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:36,500
foot three. 
Yeah and 20. 

735
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:44,800
So David right before we cast 
you can we get to start and it 

736
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:48,900
has his brother. 
Oh that's fantastic. 

737
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,900
Anyway anyway as a complete 
aside to that so I know you're a

738
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:59,100
bit of a Beatles fan. 
Yes, this is good. 

739
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:04,900
Possibly Testament to how small 
my My mind was in the 1980s, I 

740
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:08,200
was small, I thought the world 
was and I'll be getting when I 

741
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,400
first got a copy of John 
Lennon's album Double Fantasy 

742
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,900
becomes completely Beatles 
obsessed throughout the 1980s. 

743
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:20,500
And you know, some point, I do 
what I do by all of the solo 

744
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:21,900
stuff. 
So at some point got hold of a 

745
00:43:21,908 --> 00:43:25,900
copy of Double Fantasy. 
And I was always one for pouring

746
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:29,400
over the credits on record 
sleeves so that they're on the 

747
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,800
sleeve of John Lennon's Double 
Fantasy album. 

748
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:39,800
Produced by John Lennon Yoko 
Ono, Jack Douglas hindsight was 

749
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,900
quite a Hotshot American record.
Yes yes indeed to my mind as a 

750
00:43:44,908 --> 00:43:47,200
teenager in the nineteen 
sixties. 

751
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,800
Who's Jack Douglas of the carry 
on Films Who Stare out the hoop 

752
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,500
would use John Lennon's final 
album. 

753
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:57,900
Alpha potato mousse. 
Hey, hey, hey. 

754
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:02,000
What a mental image that brings 
about? 

755
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,200
Tell you much of the studio 
sessions for that. 

756
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,200
All right, we're gonna try one 
more take if that's all I ja. 

757
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:13,500
Speaking of John Lennon, last 
year I interviewed, Roger 

758
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:18,400
mcgough John Gorman and Mike 
McCartney, aka the scaffold who 

759
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,100
had come together for a reunions
show and who each had grown up 

760
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:22,500
with the goons and also new 
Spike. 

761
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:25,300
But to be honest, the majority 
of the conversation was focused 

762
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:28,000
more on their careers, both 
individually and collectively. 

763
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:31,100
I tried not to mention Mike's, 
brother and almost got away with

764
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:33,800
it, but to be honest, he was 
more than happy to reminisce 

765
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,400
about that period of his life 
and I was Keen to ask him about 

766
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,100
the time he and Roger were 
recording the mcgough maggia 

767
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:45,400
album produced by Paul on, which
Jimi, Hendrix came in to perform

768
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,800
on a couple of tracks, right? 
That is the government. 

769
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,100
Here are more kid was Burning 
Bridges to Denis Raj. 

770
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:58,600
And so we get our and so our 
kids that sorry. 

771
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Roll those listening on the 
podcast and saying all kid. 

772
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,900
It is not my little baby. 
Pocketed livable vernacular for 

773
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:10,700
my brother. 
So our kid said, so we need a 

774
00:45:10,707 --> 00:45:14,500
guitar as he said, shall I ask 
Jimmy, I said to me, you. 

775
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:19,500
He said, Jimi, Hendrix. 
And listen, I was, oh yeah, you 

776
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:23,400
asked him Hendrix because he was
pretty big at that time, that's 

777
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,200
so, yeah, he's in town to know 
he has. 

778
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:28,400
So he did. 
He asked him? 

779
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:32,900
And he said to me is coming to 
the Lane Lee tomorrow to do this

780
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:37,500
track called. 
So would you look so I said, 

781
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:40,600
yeah, okay, believe it. 
When I see it, the next day, 

782
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:46,400
we've got the door goes and I'll
kids working on another track. 

783
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:50,800
He says, you get that my go to 
the door and Jimi, Hendrix, I'm 

784
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,800
expecting him with his 
Entourage. 

785
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,600
With his own crew is good group,
easy. 

786
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,800
Took that ministers weather is a
little odd with the guitar. 

787
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:11,500
Lovely. 
Yeah, and it's very much, you 

788
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:19,100
know, it's surprising. 
So he comes in. 

789
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:24,100
I said, would you like we had? 
Because Roger and I, we couldn't

790
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:27,900
pay these people with it was the
superstars Graham Nash. 

791
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,100
Tom bail is set to all these out
kid. 

792
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,800
All these people and we couldn't
pay him money and contractually 

793
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,100
with all difficult anyway. 
So at least Roger, I could 

794
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:43,000
provide drinks. 
They are beer. 

795
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:49,000
Why I was I can cook and 
Brilliant conversations Lively 

796
00:46:49,000 --> 00:47:00,400
wacko with what Just go and 
rehearse. 

797
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:04,500
So it took me to the studio who 
is sitting on delaying Lee 

798
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:09,200
copies. 
And so it's time for Jimmy to do

799
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:18,500
is is overdub is guitar solo. 
And so he's Jimmy said look, 

800
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:22,600
Mike, I don't know this song. 
Can you tell me when to come in 

801
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,800
for the solo? 
So I said, oh no, you hear it, 

802
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,500
don't worry about you, you'll 
hear it. 

803
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,700
RIT, it's all just in the middle
but where I stop singing, you 

804
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:35,100
play the guitar and he said, 
sure. 

805
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,000
Okay, no problem. 
So I went into the studio with 

806
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:44,000
our kid so where the song comes 
over to num diddly doo dee doo 

807
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,100
doo. 
I stopped singing and suddenly 

808
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:53,400
why won't I want? 
And I don't hanging out solutely

809
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:58,800
to me and it is very best. 
And so our kid whooping work It 

810
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:04,800
on, pepper, the months and years
and suddenly this Wild Man of 

811
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:08,200
Borneo is guitar into the 
infinite. 

812
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,100
He said, what do you think? 
I said yeah yeah he said what do

813
00:48:13,107 --> 00:48:14,200
you mean? 
Yeah yeah. 

814
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,400
Yo that's to me and he's 
fantastic. 

815
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:18,900
Yeah, okay great. 
So what do you mean? 

816
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:23,200
Okay, what's your problem? 
He didn't come in right bit. 

817
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:28,100
So he said, so do you want to 
tell to me anymore? 

818
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:31,600
I meant for the right thing so I
said certainly will. 

819
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,400
So went out into the studio, sat
on the carpet, he played the in 

820
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,400
sitting down on the carpet and I
said, look Jim. 

821
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:46,700
I will tell you I will tell you.
I will indicate when to come in 

822
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:49,600
for the solo, how by tapping 
your knee. 

823
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,800
And that's exactly what I did 
for the solo on so much in love.

824
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,800
So tapped his knee, he did the 
solo. 

825
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:01,900
It, I went back into the thing 
and they played it back to me 

826
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:04,400
and so I could save. 
So what do you think? 

827
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,400
I said perfect, you came in the 
right time? 

828
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,900
He said no, no compared to the 
other one when it was the wild 

829
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:13,700
one, it's a tool that's all 
control etcetera. 

830
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,100
Which one do you want? 
I see. 

831
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,700
Oh I see. 
Oh I see, sorry. 

832
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:21,900
I don't know that much about 
music. 

833
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:23,700
Sorry. 
You're right. 

834
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:28,500
The first one so our kids that 
oh good the engineer. 

835
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,000
You can you remember the first 
one the engine? 

836
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,300
It's a. 
What do you mean? 

837
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:34,400
The first one we've been wiping 
everyone. 

838
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:39,000
That's why I can listen 
carefully to that track here. 

839
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,300
Then tap before, Jimmy comes in 
that, you know, you can 

840
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,300
Last year Hancock and goons fans
were jointly celebrating. 

841
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:36,200
The discovery of a missing 
episode of the Hancock's half 

842
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,300
hour radio series from February 
1955 entitled, The Marriage 

843
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:43,400
Bureau because that's the one 
that's got Peter Sellers on it. 

844
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:47,200
The one and only Peter Sellers 
episode of Hancock's half hour. 

845
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,200
We've covered that in detail 
with the guys, from the very 

846
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,400
nearly an armful Tony Hancock 
podcast recently but in 2022 

847
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,400
during a conversation with 
actress and podcaster. 

848
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,300
Margaret. 
Kibben Smith about her role in 

849
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:02,800
the hit Hislop and Newman Place 
Spike. 

850
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:06,700
She talked briefly about her own
involvement in breathing, new 

851
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:10,400
life, into Old Hancock. 
So, to speak when we got 

852
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,000
married, we got married eight 
years ago, and the best man said

853
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,300
in his speech. 
That the first thing down and 

854
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:20,900
said about me, was, she knows 
about Tony Hancock and she's not

855
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:24,700
annoying. 
And I mean, I think he would 

856
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:28,900
take back the annoying thing 
probably pretty quickly but So I

857
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:33,000
can sort of blame. 
My relationship also on Comedy. 

858
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,500
Notary okay. 
So you just don't know. 

859
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:38,200
So are you a fan? 
We were fan of Hancock. 

860
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did Jennifer
notebook, one of the jobs. 

861
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:45,400
I've absolutely loved in the 
last few years, was re-recording

862
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:50,100
the missing Hancock's, the ones 
where there aren't any of them, 

863
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:55,000
and I got to play Moira Lister 
first theories. 

864
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:57,700
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Okay. 

865
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:02,400
But I met you I met Galton and 
Simpson and I curtsied when I 

866
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:09,400
met them like, you know, and I 
stand by it when I met them, the

867
00:52:09,408 --> 00:52:13,400
Royal Doulton and Simpson is 
just like, this is, you know, 

868
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,100
amazingly into the sitcom. 
Well I reckon if I'd had the 

869
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:21,300
chance to meet Spike or any 
Peter, even all carry out of 

870
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:30,000
probably Genuflected. 
Yes, speaking of Hancock writer 

871
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,200
and podcast, the Tim Worthington
who's been a big supporter of 

872
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,100
the show guested on a few 
occasions. 

873
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:40,600
And one time came on to talk 
about the 1966 film, the wrong 

874
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,200
box which featured Peter Sellers
and Tony Hancock. 

875
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:48,900
Here's Tim, you know, people 
talk about 1967 as the height of

876
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:52,300
the 60s but in 66, you know, 
when you've got the build up to,

877
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:55,100
you know, What came with things 
like Sergeant Pepper and so on 

878
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:58,300
and you've got all these kind of
disparate things that, you know,

879
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:01,700
still look amazing. 
Now, like this like Jonathan 

880
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:05,100
Miller as I listened Wonderland,
like the children series, 

881
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:07,000
Campbell bit green. 
I'm still going to say, you 

882
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,300
know, that must have looked 
astonishing in 1966 and it still

883
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:12,600
looks impressive. 
Now you know I mean you know the

884
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,700
colors look a bit dated and so 
on but that the way pop music 

885
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:19,800
was going as well. 
You know there was that slow 

886
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,600
build-up to you know the 
Psychedelic somewhere in. 1967, 

887
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,000
you know, Ed, the beetle Doom 
revolver. 

888
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,600
But all these weird little buns,
appearing, from nowhere and the 

889
00:53:28,607 --> 00:53:31,000
wrong box. 
It's kind of in the middle of, 

890
00:53:31,008 --> 00:53:32,900
you know, that mounting 
excitement in. 

891
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:35,400
I say the art but it was 
everywhere. 

892
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:37,500
You know, it's in Supermarket, 
packaging. 

893
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:41,800
It was no light, entertainment 
shows on ITV were adopting you 

894
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,200
those characters separate 
graphics and so on. 

895
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:45,000
Yes. 
Yeah. 

896
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,100
And it must have been so 
thrilling even in the film based

897
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:52,600
on the Victorian novel set in 
Victorian London. 

898
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:56,500
London with you though. 
A lot of who weren't far off big

899
00:53:56,500 --> 00:54:01,200
Victorian actors in it, but 
that's still part of that mix. 

900
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:08,300
And I'm not surprised that he 
Casella's like to, I don't think

901
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:10,500
it's fair to say JUMP, those 
bandwagons he liked to keep up 

902
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:13,400
with the what the young people 
were doing in the similar way to

903
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,900
Leonard Nimoy around that same 
time in America. 

904
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:20,600
Always had a Keen Eye For, You 
know what, the latest trends 

905
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,200
were not in the kind of the oh, 
borderline you tree where you 

906
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,900
ever. 
But like the way, people like 

907
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:28,100
George Malley, did they were 
just interested in what was 

908
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:33,500
coming along and you know, Sal 
has Evidently was not because he

909
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:35,600
spent a lot of time it's gurus 
and so on. 

910
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,900
And you know, mixing with the 
Beatles and am I right in 

911
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:43,200
thinking he might have tried 
psychedelics but he was part of 

912
00:54:43,207 --> 00:54:46,300
the excitement. 
Tim of course host the looks 

913
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:49,400
unfamiliar podcast and I never 
cease to be astonished at his 

914
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,900
pop culture. 
Smarts and seemingly effortless 

915
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:54,600
ability to pluck out of The 
Ether. 

916
00:54:54,600 --> 00:55:01,200
Some long-forgotten kids Telly 
show about ghost astronauts Or 

917
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,700
an 80s singer, which never 
charted by some band, nobody's 

918
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:11,800
heard of or an action figure of 
Bill Weber Nick, which failed to

919
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,800
fly off the shelves in 1982. 
Yeah, that'll do by the way, 

920
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,600
Tim's on the show. 
Again next week, there are so 

921
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,000
many great podcast now about the
Beatles that it can. 

922
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,500
Sometimes be a Fool's, errand 
trying to navigate your way 

923
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:27,400
through them. 
So far, four of the best have 

924
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,200
been represented on goon part as
I played host to Chris shore. 

925
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,700
Of I'm the egg pod, Paul Abbott 
from the big Beetle sort out and

926
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:37,600
the following two gentlemen. 
Firstly, you here, Stephen 

927
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,100
cockroft, co-presenter of 
nothing is real, which goes from

928
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:43,400
strength, to strength. 
Stephen came on the show to 

929
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,700
examine all the possible Goons, 
He's and Beatles connection that

930
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:50,800
the pair of us could come up 
with however, tenuous after 

931
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,800
that, you'll hear Joe wisby from
the Beatles books podcast. 

932
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,400
Joe's been for a long time and 
admirer of the 1995 three-part 

933
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,200
BBC documentary on the life and 
career of Peter Sellers and had 

934
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,600
a lot to say about it. 
But first, here's me and Steven 

935
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:13,400
Now this this one is for Real 
sort of Hardcore goon fans. 

936
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,300
This little bit of trivia here. 
Mike Haskins share this with me.

937
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:19,400
Okay. 
Now you are probably not aware 

938
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,600
that very very very 
occasionally. 

939
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,400
In fact there's probably only 
about five instances in the in 

940
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,700
the whole of the Goon shows run 
that they actually had a real 

941
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,900
female guests. 
On the show, okay? 

942
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:45,100
And they actually had a lady and
actress a lady. 

943
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,300
That is an actress who was 
working with Peter Sellers on a 

944
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,600
television program at the time 
in the mid 50's guest on the 

945
00:56:54,607 --> 00:56:59,400
Goon show twice. 
Okay, in the episode, you Bandit

946
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,200
of Sherwood Forest and in a 
later, episode called Tales of 

947
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,800
Montmartre, which we've covered 
on this as partners. 

948
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,300
And that that actress was called
Charlotte Mitchell. 

949
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,900
And she was very friendly with 
the goons. 

950
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:14,600
And there is a rumor that 
there's rumors about her and 

951
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,600
sellers as well. 
If you know what I mean, right 

952
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,500
now, her husband, at the time 
was an actor, called Philip 

953
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:24,700
guard. 
Okay, not not right. 

954
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:30,800
Really well-known bit, but 
Philip guard played Edgar in a 

955
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:34,900
third program recording of King 
Lear in the 60s. 

956
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,100
Okay. 
All right, and so he appears in 

957
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:44,700
the run out of I Am The Walrus 
that is a good fact. 

958
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:48,100
I did not know that. 
That is a very good fact, very 

959
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:50,200
tenuous. 
But very, very tenuous. 

960
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:54,400
Yeah, that's exactly. 
Exactly the kind of information 

961
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:57,800
I like to squirrel away and 
that's that's a that's going to 

962
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,500
be a tie-break question in a 
Beatles quiz or do it someday. 

963
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:03,700
And I'm not going to forget 
that. 

964
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:05,600
That's a that's a great piece of
trivia. 

965
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:08,200
That's excellent. 
Well done. 

966
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,800
Well thank you Mike for Mike. 
Yeah, like you Mike. 

967
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:21,700
That's very good. 
I know they will a serviceable 

968
00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:23,800
villain has duteous to the vices
of. 

969
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,800
I mistress as Badness will 
desire. 

970
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:27,900
What is he dead? 
Since you down? 

971
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:44,200
Father rescue service, the magic
of this documentary and I think 

972
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,800
one of the really key Things is 
documentaries got in its favor 

973
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,000
is when it was made. 
So I always think the best time 

974
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:58,000
to write a book or make a 
documentary about are anything. 

975
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,500
But particularly about like an 
individual, it's about 15 to 25 

976
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:07,300
years, after either the event or
that that person has died or 

977
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:11,500
maybe as stop being successful, 
you get the documentaries that 

978
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:14,300
are met too far too far in the 
future. 

979
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:17,300
I mean, you're getting to a 
stage now, with be Documentaries

980
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,200
where the talking heads on 
around so much now. 

981
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:26,200
And for instance, a good example
of that book wise is there's a 

982
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,300
really, really excellent book 
that came out about britpop and 

983
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:33,100
cool Britannia and the 90s 
called that the Back in Anger 

984
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,700
bar, nautical, Daniel, Rachel. 
And now that you've had about 25

985
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:41,400
to 30 years that have gone past 
since britpop and that kind of 

986
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,400
time, there's enough time for 
these people that were involved 

987
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,100
in it to reflect. 
Lect on it. 

988
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:50,300
There's a bit of hindsight to be
had, but these people are still 

989
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:52,700
alive. 
They're still, you know, got all

990
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:55,300
their wits about them. 
So they can, they can tell good 

991
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:57,200
stories, Etc. 
And the thing about this 

992
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,400
documentary is, it's only 15 
years after he died. 

993
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:04,600
Most of the principles were 
still with us at that point. 

994
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,800
I mean, if you look at how many 
of the people that we need 

995
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,000
supplements, you that are still 
alive. 

996
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,800
Now you probably looking at 
about 30, you know, 30 to 35% I 

997
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,600
would say all full of people 
have died They're in this 

998
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,700
documentary so those interviews 
are gone now but almost everyone

999
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,500
almost everyone that they 
interview. 

1000
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,700
I think, I can't think of anyone
that they interview in it, top 

1001
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:28,700
of my head that didn't even know
him or work with him. 

1002
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,400
Don't think there was no, no, 
and you're absolutely right. 

1003
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,700
Obviously, you've got spiked you
got Harry both gone. 

1004
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:42,100
Now, he had no stage fright, he 
would not have been found in the

1005
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:45,000
wind like the rest of us. 
Trembling before he went out 

1006
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:52,100
there be completely calm and 
That was a feature of him that I

1007
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:54,700
found quite disturbing it. 
No way. 

1008
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:56,400
Because that will actually be 
climbing up the wall. 

1009
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,200
He just standing there. 
Not worried about it. 

1010
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:04,700
Peter would phone me up and say 
How's the script going? 

1011
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:09,200
I said it's going like this. 
There. 

1012
01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:15,800
Was a man as that I've got that 
down. 

1013
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:19,800
You've got sadly, got Michael 
Sellers, he's no longer around. 

1014
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,800
Well, that's another story. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1015
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,000
The only person, the only person
that they don't interview 

1016
01:01:25,300 --> 01:01:27,700
talking head wise for this is 
Britt ekland. 

1017
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,300
So, for whatever reason, even 
though her daughter Victoria 

1018
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:34,300
sellers is in it, obviously, 
yeah, they don't get brittle, 

1019
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:37,400
but they use sheet. 
I think she done the previous 

1020
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,900
year. 
She done a desert island discs. 

1021
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:44,800
Vitality in the audio from that 
obviously be the BBC production.

1022
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,000
They would have had access to 
that audio quite easily. 

1023
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:50,400
So she still features in the 
film. 

1024
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:55,000
So she's the only person I think
of a that's that was still alive

1025
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,500
at the time that they don't 
speak to in this documentary. 

1026
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,500
As an excellent companion, show 
to The Beatles on the goons 

1027
01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:04,500
podcast, I did with Stephen, 
from nothing is real. 

1028
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:07,800
I would recommend people seek 
out a subsequent episode. 

1029
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,900
I recorded with my friend, 
Andrew hickey, he of the 

1030
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:15,400
all-conquering history of rock 
music and 500 songs in which he 

1031
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,200
talked about George Martin's, 
professional, and personal 

1032
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:19,700
relationship, with Sellers and 
Milligan. 

1033
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:24,200
It's in the Green Pod archive I 
mentioned Paul Abbott before. 

1034
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,600
He's been a guest a couple of 
times and most recently came on 

1035
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:32,300
to talk about the lp Spike, 
Milligan live at Cambridge which

1036
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:37,700
was a hotchpotch of stories 
jokes poetry readings from his 

1037
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:42,100
books and some cracking Tunes 
from musician. 

1038
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:45,000
Jeremy Taylor. 
I think this is an interesting. 

1039
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:47,600
This Record captures an 
interesting thing then 

1040
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:52,100
especially in context that 
review because the a doesn't do 

1041
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:54,400
quite a bit of his Serious 
poetry even though a lot of 

1042
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,400
mysterious poems end on a funny 
line. 

1043
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:59,800
But the funny lines, they're 
tough just to highlight the, you

1044
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,200
know, the point he's making in 
this serious stuff, whether it's

1045
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,700
about love or about, you know, 
environmental stuff or whatever.

1046
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,500
And I really love is serious 
poems, but you can hear him on 

1047
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:11,300
this, he does it. 
And you know, you can hear a pin

1048
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:14,400
drop but not necessarily because
everyone's hooked on the 

1049
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:16,500
listening to him, read a poem. 
I think they're a bit. 

1050
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,600
I feel like I can hear 
embarrassment. 

1051
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,100
Yes, a little bit and it's and I
think it's coming partly from 

1052
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:26,000
Bike feeling embarrassed about 
exposing himself by reading 

1053
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,600
these poems out and them not 
getting. 

1054
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,800
I mean because what do you do at
the end of a serious poem, If 

1055
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:36,100
you clap, it seems weird. 
You know, it's like it's quite a

1056
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:40,000
hard contract to have with your 
audience, if you, if they've 

1057
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,900
come out for a comedy show. 
And then you sort of say, well, 

1058
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:45,900
you know, the contract, is you 
react to what I say? 

1059
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,000
And now I'm going to say 
something that's really, really 

1060
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,800
quite deep and moving. 
It's like now make sure you all 

1061
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,200
have the same At the end of it 
and clap, it's not going to 

1062
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:55,400
happen. 
Is it this one? 

1063
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,200
I wrote the day that Robert 
Kennedy was assassinated It's 

1064
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,500
called values. 
The prince is dying, give him 

1065
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,200
air headlines crisis, Kennedy 
shot the Assassin captured too 

1066
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,100
late Kennedy dies, the telegrams
flow and bury the body in 

1067
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:15,400
Arlington somewhere and Mekong. 
A prince of battle is blown into

1068
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:22,300
bloody meat, no headlines, no 
crisis and only one Telegram. 

1069
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,500
Yeah, I love hearing them cuz I 
love spikes poems and I love his

1070
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:31,700
is crusading in his campaigning 
and is his heart. 

1071
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:36,600
But yeah, it sounds like it's 
what it's odd that they put out 

1072
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:41,200
this record rather than a 
rehearsed version of this from 

1073
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,100
having run it through was a 
couple of different later ones 

1074
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:47,100
when it was done, you know a few
more times and in one week only 

1075
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,300
living thing you've got to bear 
in mind. 

1076
01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:51,400
Of course the average age of the
audience would be what 20? 

1077
01:04:51,500 --> 01:04:53,100
Because that was yeah 
University. 

1078
01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:56,600
Students someone who may have 
been in that Cambridge audience 

1079
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,500
to witness Spike and Jeremy live
on stage was Griff, Rhys Jones, 

1080
01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:03,000
who I was lucky enough to 
interview recently. 

1081
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,700
Actually, I've just realized, I 
never asked him if he was there,

1082
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,600
but to be honest, Griffith talk 
so much. 

1083
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,300
It was difficult to get a word 
in sometimes. 

1084
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:14,000
Here he is talking about the 
outrageous to Ronnies send up. 

1085
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,900
He performed on not the nine 
o'clock news with Mel Smith, the

1086
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:19,000
two nannies. 
Now, we were talking about Monty

1087
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,600
Python because we must forget 
the not long ago. 

1088
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:23,100
He's also did the life of me, I 
don't sketch. 

1089
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:24,000
That's right. 
Yes. 

1090
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,200
The bishop, you know, coming on 
to say that, you know, it was 

1091
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,200
based on the, the interviews 
they done about the life. 

1092
01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:36,100
Brian, you know, with the idea 
that Monty Python were sort of 

1093
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:40,000
beyond beyond that was John, 
that was that was really written

1094
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:45,000
out of a sort of and so is the 
two knees out of do it was? 

1095
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,200
I thought I was embarrassed to 
do the tuna age. 

1096
01:05:47,300 --> 01:05:52,400
Well, yeah. 
Well, yeah, because I thought it

1097
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,300
was lays Majesty a, you know, I 
mean, these were it would do, 

1098
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:57,900
you don't go on knock other 
great comedians. 

1099
01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:00,700
It seems to me that your, but 
anyway, that was the sort of 

1100
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:05,000
moon of the writers. 
Room was taking the opportunity 

1101
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,600
to have a go at other other 
Comics as well. 

1102
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:13,600
And it's would it did sort of 
seriously worried me the idea 

1103
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:19,800
that you were being so, you 
know, Disrespectful cheeky 

1104
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,900
because because I gather that 
Ronnie Ronnie Corbett was okay. 

1105
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:25,200
With a bit runny back. 
It was incandescent. 

1106
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:28,400
I went to BC. 
Christmas party. 

1107
01:06:28,700 --> 01:06:31,800
Hmm. 
And I think I was the only one 

1108
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,400
there for the news. 
It's entertainment party. 

1109
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:43,600
And there was only Barker. 
And it was a slightly tough 

1110
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,500
moment because running back was 
hero as you could imagine. 

1111
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,300
Yep. 
And he gave, you know, he was 

1112
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:52,400
very sort of, you know, 
magnanimous in a funny sort of 

1113
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:58,300
way, but he gave me a sort of 
hug, which was just a tiny bit 

1114
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:06,100
too violent, but I remember that
figured gold that it was very 

1115
01:07:06,100 --> 01:07:08,100
weird but it was a funny sketch,
wasn't it? 

1116
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,300
It was fun because it was so 
outraged. 

1117
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,100
I'm not I'm not the do with the 
we're walking up and down and 

1118
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:17,000
from the spot spot spot because 
there's something for welcoming 

1119
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,800
the top thought you know that. 
But he was a little bit. 

1120
01:07:20,900 --> 01:07:24,700
Yeah dangerous yes and they love
to be dangerous, you see him up 

1121
01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:26,500
son? 
Never was quite dangerous 

1122
01:07:26,500 --> 01:07:29,400
enough, really whatever I wrote 
it dangerous sketchy, we get 

1123
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,800
caught up Satchel one of the key
elements of any gun shows, the 

1124
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,700
music and take that away and the
show loses. 

1125
01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:40,600
Its fundamental heart, music 
plays such a huge part and Many 

1126
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,000
times over the last hundred 
shows me and the guests of 

1127
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,300
talked about railing tin and Max
geldray. 

1128
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:49,700
And we did a whole show, all 
about Angela morally, whose 

1129
01:07:49,700 --> 01:07:54,200
arrangements and overall musical
contribution on the Goon show 

1130
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:58,700
was incalculable me and writer 
Louis, barf, discussed, 

1131
01:07:58,700 --> 01:08:01,300
Angela's, life and extraordinary
career over the course of an 

1132
01:08:01,300 --> 01:08:03,700
hour. 
But here's a bit from our chat 

1133
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:06,200
where Louis actually talks about
one of his favorite Peter 

1134
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,200
Sellers films the party, it was 
on, it was on TV One. 

1135
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,400
On Christmas Eve and I watched 
it with my granddad was the 

1136
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:21,300
first time I'd seen it and the 
shoe going, the fuck the idea of

1137
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,300
someone having a stream running 
through the middle of the house 

1138
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,800
but the but the whole scene 
where he's trying to recapture 

1139
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:33,500
the Lost shoe as his flowy. 
Yeah. 

1140
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:42,700
The diving watch, this is film 
set in 1889 and the toilet roll.

1141
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:48,600
Yeah, and that's what I did. 
And of course, the thing that 

1142
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,100
everyone remembers the public 
address system in the house. 

1143
01:08:52,899 --> 01:08:54,200
Maddie. 
No, I'm not. 

1144
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:11,100
I know it's hugely problematic 
now, but I think one of the 

1145
01:09:11,108 --> 01:09:14,100
interesting things about Sellers
and he is, it sellers Milligan. 

1146
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:18,399
Their portrayal of Indian 
mmm-hmm characters. 

1147
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:23,200
It, they, you know, Spike had 
been brought up in India, Peter 

1148
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:28,100
had spent a lot of time in India
in the RAF, so these things were

1149
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:32,300
done from close observation and 
with great affection, and Also 

1150
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:35,100
when the you know, the 
transcription service cuts at 

1151
01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:39,300
the Goon show went out various 
you know, radio stations on the 

1152
01:09:39,308 --> 01:09:42,600
sub-continent. 
They they were hugely loved and 

1153
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,500
also I think is didn't spy 
competing used to put in 

1154
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,300
doubtful bits of verdure. 
Yeah. 

1155
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:51,000
Yeah. 
Two for the listenership and 

1156
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,400
they get past the sensor and do 
you get an enormous laughs in 

1157
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,400
uttar Pradesh or ever? 
Speaking of sellers, one of my 

1158
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,500
earliest guests and a huge help 
to me in terms of being the 

1159
01:10:01,700 --> 01:10:05,800
go-to guy for information. 
And guidance is Mark cousins 

1160
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:10,600
whose knowledge of sellers is as
I've described it Mark Lewis 

1161
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:15,400
arnessk, try saying that when 
you've had a few markers 

1162
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,900
returning soon to the show to 
talk about Peter Sellers, non 

1163
01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:24,000
goons radio career in the 1950s,
but here he is on the man 

1164
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,500
himself and his own easy 
friendship in the late. 

1165
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:30,300
Teas with Bob monkhouse, I 
don't, I think they hung out 

1166
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:33,400
together, but they certainly 
knew each other. 

1167
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,000
And, as I say on a few 
occasions, they work together. 

1168
01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:39,600
And the weird thing is though, 
because you've got sellers there

1169
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,300
who's, who's getting his mum, to
record, as much as possible, and

1170
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:47,200
obviously monkhouse was famous 
for recording, whatever you say.

1171
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:53,300
Well, that's exactly. 
The story is that sellers found 

1172
01:10:53,300 --> 01:10:57,800
out that monkhouse had this disk
recorder He desperately wanted 

1173
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,500
to buy it from monkhouse, a 
monkhouse didn't want to sell it

1174
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:04,400
and I think he ended up, I can't
remember. 

1175
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,500
I UE ended up offering about a 
five or more than he paid for 

1176
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:09,200
it. 
The monkhouse all. 

1177
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,700
This is a, this is a good deal. 
I can go and buy another one and

1178
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:15,300
I paid some money as well. 
So then so sellers bought this 

1179
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:19,100
thing and took it home. 
And I don't know what happened, 

1180
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:21,900
but clearly couldn't figure out 
how to use it properly. 

1181
01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:26,500
So his mum went round to munch 
houses house. 

1182
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:29,900
And complained that it was 
broken and he wanted his money 

1183
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:33,100
back. 
What's going to leave until you 

1184
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:35,800
got the money back. 
Anyway, he clearly kept the disc

1185
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:36,300
cutter. 
What? 

1186
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:38,900
I don't know how that was all 
resolved, but he kept it all and

1187
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:43,200
recorded quite a lot on it over 
the years on these little little

1188
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,200
discs. 
So, and that's the source of 

1189
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,800
these radio programs. 
So, obviously monkhouse was more

1190
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,400
into recording for its own sake.
If you like them sellers was, 

1191
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:58,300
sellers used to use it a to 
record his His own appearances 

1192
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:02,400
but also for rehearsal purposes.
So he would use, he would use it

1193
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:05,800
to, you know, read dialogue, and
here it back and stuff like 

1194
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,700
that. 
In the way that you might later 

1195
01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:11,900
on use a domestic tape recorder 
to do the same thing still on 

1196
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:14,700
sellers later this year, it will
be the 60th anniversary of the 

1197
01:12:14,700 --> 01:12:17,500
release of the Pink Panther 
movie a film, which 

1198
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,100
unintentionally spawned the 
breakout character of Inspector 

1199
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:23,800
Clouseau and a subsequent 
succession of fine and not so 

1200
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,200
fine Clouseau Capers on 
celluloid. 

1201
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:29,700
I won't mention the handful of 
posthumous and increasingly 

1202
01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:33,000
Dreadful Clouseau movies made 
after sellers died which I 

1203
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,200
referred to collectively as the 
Pink Panther flogs. 

1204
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,400
A dead horse. 
My friend, Gary, Roger was on 

1205
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,900
hand to talk in general terms 
about the Pink Panther film 

1206
01:12:40,900 --> 01:12:44,600
franchise, including the Alan 
Arkin movie, and hopefully, 

1207
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,800
we'll be back with me later in 
the year to examine that 

1208
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,600
granddaddy of them all. 
In detail, the aforementioned 

1209
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:55,400
Pink Panther from 1963 starring,
David Niven he went into the 

1210
01:12:55,400 --> 01:13:02,700
film, The Star bigger, sellers 
came out of it, the star Anyway,

1211
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,800
here's Gary talking about the 
unmade Clouseau film remnants of

1212
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,700
the Pink Panther and an 
intriguing. 

1213
01:13:07,700 --> 01:13:10,600
What if you mentioned last night
actually when we were, we were 

1214
01:13:10,608 --> 01:13:12,100
talking, we were preparing for 
this. 

1215
01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:16,700
You mentioned about there was 
some notion of Dudley Moore at 

1216
01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:20,400
some point? 
Yes, yes, divall are supposedly 

1217
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:25,700
as name was of floated to step 
into the role for Romance. 

1218
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:33,200
Which I don't think that anybody
coming in to play the role of 

1219
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,300
closer himself. 
I just I don't see how that 

1220
01:13:37,300 --> 01:13:39,200
would have bought. 
I think it would be catastrophic

1221
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,300
for anybody to have tried to 
play a role as early as 1980. 

1222
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,800
There are there's a handful of 
instances of actor stepping into

1223
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,700
another Bowl because an actor 
has died. 

1224
01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:57,100
And so on one that Springs to 
mind is the Roy Clark sees her 

1225
01:13:57,500 --> 01:14:01,400
with our for loans, which they 
already had the city's free 

1226
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,700
scripts written on the 
production. 

1227
01:14:03,700 --> 01:14:07,700
All set up for our fellow, Robin
Bailey took over the role for 

1228
01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:11,100
one final series but he's 
obviously playing it in his own 

1229
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:13,800
way. 
Visually just looks like our 

1230
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:18,600
floor for one thing and he's not
playing it like our fellow, I 

1231
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,800
just yeah I really can't. 
Imagine anybody coming in and 

1232
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:27,100
just trying to pick up Clouseau 
had left a because I hope How 

1233
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:29,400
Could You by that. 
By that point, I don't we spoke 

1234
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,200
a lot about Alan Arkin and what 
have you? 

1235
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:39,400
But I'd buy that point where 
when it's so it's so closely 

1236
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:43,600
aligned with one specific actor.
You just yeah. 

1237
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,400
You just kind of visualize 
again. 

1238
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:47,700
Yeah. 
And by and also, by this point, 

1239
01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:51,900
the character was so Larger than
Life and cartoonish. 

1240
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,900
Keep saying cartoonish, but you 
know what I mean? 

1241
01:14:54,900 --> 01:15:00,000
And the accent was so, I mean, 
the accent, when the film's 

1242
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,000
begin in the 60s, the accent 
more or less, Is, is it's a 

1243
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,600
comedy Fred Jackson, but it's 
certainly nothing like it was to

1244
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:13,300
become in terms of the 
strangulated vowels and nearthe 

1245
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,100
kind of level that it that it 
reached as much as much as 

1246
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:18,600
anything else. 
Of course, it would have been. 

1247
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,600
The probably catastrophic Booth 
were built a career, because he 

1248
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:26,600
was right on the verge of making
an offer, which was probably 

1249
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:32,100
along with 10 was his biggest 
big screen role and, and if he 

1250
01:15:32,300 --> 01:15:36,000
Turn off fortitude to do amounts
of the pink band for that would 

1251
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,700
have been. 
Yeah. 

1252
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:40,900
And he probably wouldn't have 
got the mama's boy gig. 

1253
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:43,100
Well, exactly. 
Yes. 

1254
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:46,700
And for those unaware, which is 
everyone except for Tyler. 

1255
01:15:46,700 --> 01:15:49,700
And I mama's boy is a 
fictitious. 

1256
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,000
Dublin were a film which went 
straight to video and remained 

1257
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,000
as the last video in the shop 
even when all the other videos 

1258
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,800
have been taken out just 
softening. 

1259
01:15:58,900 --> 01:16:01,300
No, I'll just I'll just watch 
this new course and I hope I'll 

1260
01:16:01,300 --> 01:16:05,400
leave her be It's basically the 
front cover of the tape is 

1261
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:10,000
Dudley Moore with enormous dummy
in his mouth and like in baby 

1262
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,000
sort of over and sort of holding
these hands up. 

1263
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,000
So what's up baby? 
Supposed to do huh? 

1264
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:19,800
You know? 
Yeah, well I say it's not that 

1265
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:24,200
far-fetched as it? 
It sounds horribly. 

1266
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:30,100
We it's not it's not movies for 
men, the podcast which I've long

1267
01:16:30,100 --> 01:16:32,100
been a fan of is, the Anglo 
kiwi. 

1268
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:36,000
Film and TV re-evaluation show 
still any good in which two 

1269
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:40,400
friends, Chris Webb and Robert 
Johnson, go back and re-watch 

1270
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,700
old favorites from their 
childhoods through modernize and

1271
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:47,300
with minimal Comfort, breaks and
decide whether they hold up or 

1272
01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:49,400
not. 
Well, that's in between them 

1273
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:54,400
vying to outdo each other with 
bad, dad, gags and, and general 

1274
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,900
asking about getting drunk. 
I think it's fair Lads. 

1275
01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:00,400
I've been a guest on this show 
several times and just before 

1276
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,000
Christmas last year, they return
the favor. 

1277
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,300
By pairing on goon pod to 
discuss the Mel Brooks film 

1278
01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:09,400
history of the World Part 1 a 
film, which qualifies for this 

1279
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:13,900
show, by dint of seven minutes 
or so of heavily, bearded 

1280
01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:19,600
Milligan, just on cleavage, on 
the subject. 

1281
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,500
Did you notice I was, I, was I 
wrong in this? 

1282
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,700
Well, God, where's this going? 
He's thinking this out, it's 

1283
01:17:27,700 --> 01:17:30,300
fine. 
The bit where we're going back 

1284
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:35,000
and forth it the Roman. 
Our sequence where, where you've

1285
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,800
got the Unix and you've got 
Gregory Hines with that sort of 

1286
01:17:38,808 --> 01:17:45,400
feather thing going on and and 
in order to check his his 

1287
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,800
qualification. 
Yes that's authenticity. 

1288
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:56,200
As a they get this this lady to 
dance, very provocatively in 

1289
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:01,000
front of front of them and now 
She was wearing a prosthetic 

1290
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:06,000
chest and shit. 
While Ricardo Montalban and 

1291
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:13,500
Wrath of Khan. 
I was thinking more Blackadder 

1292
01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:19,200
and mulch it in its like I said,
yeah. 

1293
01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:22,100
Now if you look at it, did, you 
know, did you not notice that? 

1294
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,500
I can't say, I noticed it was 
clearly robbed and pause it. 

1295
01:18:58,900 --> 01:19:01,800
And reflect the international 
audience, which going pot 

1296
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,600
enjoys, perhaps surprisingly 
after the UK, the biggest 

1297
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:08,500
listenership is in the US and 
that brings me to Sean Gaffney 

1298
01:19:08,900 --> 01:19:11,900
who Knowledge of the goons I 
think far surpasses Mine. 

1299
01:19:12,700 --> 01:19:15,500
He's a huge Enthusiast that has 
been on the show several times 

1300
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:19,400
including to run down the top 20
listeners goon shows with me and

1301
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:25,000
Mike Haskins and again Mike has 
been a huge supporter and and 

1302
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:30,000
guest on the show here's Sean 
from the episode in which we 

1303
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:35,900
discussed the series 5 goon show
1985 a parody of All Wells Road 

1304
01:19:35,900 --> 01:19:38,700
to work. 
A Yeah, I have a question for 

1305
01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:41,500
you that you may not know are 
based on one of the jokes coming

1306
01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:45,200
up, how heavy was Harry cecum at
the time, the gun show was being

1307
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:49,200
done. 
Well he certainly wasn't 20 

1308
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:56,100
stone I do but I don't think I 
don't think he was 420 which is 

1309
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,500
what did the previous one was 
different. 20 stone is 280 

1310
01:20:01,500 --> 01:20:05,700
pounds. 
Hmm and 30 Stone I think is 420.

1311
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:10,600
Yeah I know that he was I know 
that he lost five Stone in the 

1312
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,800
80s because he said so in one of
his biographies well yeah to his

1313
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,300
doctor told him that he had to 
otherwise Be dead. 

1314
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:22,400
Yeah, I think I think He piled 
on the weight in the 70s and 

1315
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:26,000
then he had to lose it. 
I don't think I think his weight

1316
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,200
fluctuated in the 50s and 60s. 
I think it did well. 

1317
01:20:29,300 --> 01:20:32,400
Part the gun show basically 
regards him as this sort of 

1318
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:36,600
short fat ball high. 
In fact, it refers to I think in

1319
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,400
Snag in the green slide story 
refers to him as a little ball 

1320
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:44,200
of fat, which I mean obviously 
has done with, you know, 

1321
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:49,400
seacams, you know? 
Since but it is rather 

1322
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,700
interesting, he made. 
He made fun of his bait as much 

1323
01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:53,100
as Spike did. 
I think it was part of his 

1324
01:20:53,100 --> 01:20:55,700
character. 
Yeah, I don't think that's, I 

1325
01:20:55,700 --> 01:20:57,700
think the pretty wasn't that 
much between him and Peter 

1326
01:20:57,700 --> 01:21:00,100
Sellers terms of weight. 
Yeah. 

1327
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:03,800
Peter also fluctuated. 
So, that's almost all we've got 

1328
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,500
time for, but I just wanted to 
include some never-before-heard 

1329
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:11,300
material several months ago, 
just before Christmas, the, the 

1330
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:16,900
writer film academic and 
previous guest Adrian Smith, His

1331
01:21:16,900 --> 01:21:20,100
89 year old grandfather, Peter 
to spare a bit of time to talk 

1332
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:23,700
to me, via Zoom. 
Here's grandpa had been a huge 

1333
01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:27,300
goons fan. 
And Adrian thought it might be a

1334
01:21:27,300 --> 01:21:31,300
nice idea to get the perspective
of someone who so far and by 

1335
01:21:31,300 --> 01:21:34,200
quite a stretch is the oldest 
guest I've ever had on the show.

1336
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:36,500
Certainly there. 
Anyone is done national service.

1337
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:40,900
Adrian was unfortunately, 
suffering from laryngitis but 

1338
01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:44,600
you probably won't notice that I
grew up with the ambition of 

1339
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,300
being a comedian professional. 
Ian, alright, whatever. 

1340
01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:51,800
Had the opportunity, I would go 
on the stage and tell jokes or 

1341
01:21:51,808 --> 01:21:56,100
do funny things. 
And the final thing with 

1342
01:21:56,100 --> 01:22:00,000
something altogether, High 
prepare that comedy act, took it

1343
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:05,200
to her agent in SoHo, expecting 
them to be very pleased with and

1344
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,900
laughing all the time but they 
didn't and that was the end of I

1345
01:22:08,900 --> 01:22:14,200
just gave up after that. 
I'll provide basically that what

1346
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,400
I was doing was sending an 
acute. 

1347
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:20,000
Within you have a shower. 
And why are you standing? 

1348
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:26,500
I was eating a loofah. 
When I actually I got a sueded 

1349
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:29,400
Shredded Wheat, and cut it up to
fit in the loofah. 

1350
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,700
So I stood there, my pajamas, 
holding the loofah, he's in the 

1351
01:22:32,708 --> 01:22:35,800
shredded wheat but they were 
told him you. 

1352
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,600
So they weren't impressed by 
that. 

1353
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:44,000
No I thought it was hilarious. 
So what sort of age were you? 

1354
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,100
Then we talking what? 
Twenties. 

1355
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:49,800
I should say. 
And was this in the in the 50s? 

1356
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:51,300
Yes. 
Oh yes. 

1357
01:22:51,500 --> 01:22:56,700
Okay. 
And so did you like, did you 

1358
01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:59,700
like listen to? 
All right, well, as much radio 

1359
01:22:59,700 --> 01:23:02,400
comedy, we you sort of 
discriminating in your tastes or

1360
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,600
did you like everything, like, 
take it from here and Hancock 

1361
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,700
and the goons equal? 
I do already a comedy, right? 

1362
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,600
We should follow with all very 
closely. 

1363
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,100
Okay. 
Also impressed with the goons, 

1364
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:18,300
that it just affected my Desire 
to be funny. 

1365
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,500
Do you remember what years you 
are doing national service? 

1366
01:23:21,700 --> 01:23:22,800
When did you do that? 
Exactly. 

1367
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,200
From to, it's actually three on 
it. 

1368
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,700
Yeah, so you would have been so 
you you listen to the Goon show.

1369
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,400
Yes, you are in the barracks. 
So I'm like, yeah, they're 

1370
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,400
forced. 
Yeah, can you remember hearing 

1371
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,300
Michael benteen? 
Yes. 

1372
01:23:38,300 --> 01:23:42,900
Show admirer of her skill, 
right? 

1373
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:45,400
I think Grandpa. 
The basic was listening to it 

1374
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:46,700
from the beginning. 
Right. 

1375
01:23:46,700 --> 01:23:51,700
Okay, okay, tuned in to whatever
was the latest radio comedy. 

1376
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:55,100
That's right. 
Because the sad thing is that 

1377
01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:00,400
there's only three recordings 
that exist that have Michael 

1378
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,900
benteen on. 
If you know what I mean. 

1379
01:24:02,900 --> 01:24:06,700
They all the other goon show 
episodes that he featured on a 

1380
01:24:06,700 --> 01:24:11,800
lost now they don't exist 
anymore and and the copies the 

1381
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,100
three at three episodes that do 
exist are not very good quality,

1382
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,700
the very difficult to hear Hear 
the audio quality is bad, so 

1383
01:24:18,900 --> 01:24:23,600
it's very difficult to get a 
really good understanding of how

1384
01:24:23,900 --> 01:24:28,800
he fitted into the show, and how
he, how he worked, alongside the

1385
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,500
other three if you know what I 
mean. 

1386
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,200
But you feel he fitted in 
perfectly. 

1387
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,200
Yeah. 
Yes, I think he is. 

1388
01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:38,100
I also had great admiration for 
Jimmy Edwards. 

1389
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:40,600
Oh yes. 
I liked his comedy. 

1390
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,000
He's very good. 
Much money in the marsh was a 

1391
01:24:44,008 --> 01:24:47,400
regular show is listen to do you
remember that? 

1392
01:24:47,900 --> 01:24:50,600
Well, I don't remember. 
I have heard episodes of it, but

1393
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:55,700
we don't seem to have those same
comedians nowadays for this same

1394
01:24:55,700 --> 01:24:57,800
sense of humor. 
I don't find many of the 

1395
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,100
communities. 
Today's funny on the spike 

1396
01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:03,600
Milligan documentary, that was 
just on recently. 

1397
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,500
Yes, somebody on there, I forget
which one it was talked about 

1398
01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:10,000
how these days comedy is 
supposed to make you cry as 

1399
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,000
well. 
Yeah. 

1400
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,900
That seems to be the Common 
Thread is that people write 

1401
01:25:14,900 --> 01:25:18,100
comedy to to get your emotions 
instead of just making you 

1402
01:25:18,100 --> 01:25:21,500
laugh. 
Yes, yes, I must apologize. 

1403
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:23,400
My grandma. 
It's her birthday today. 

1404
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,700
She's 90 today. 
Oh, and she's pottering around 

1405
01:25:26,700 --> 01:25:28,400
in the background like mini 
Bannister. 

1406
01:25:30,900 --> 01:25:33,200
All that noise, you could hear, 
was her coming in to open a new 

1407
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,800
box of chocolates. 
You just open this up, but I 

1408
01:25:35,808 --> 01:25:37,900
managed to keep trying to give 
Grandpa a chocolate as well. 

1409
01:25:37,900 --> 01:25:40,900
He's trying to talk to you. 
So now he's eating one of those 

1410
01:25:40,900 --> 01:25:44,700
chocolates. 
I'm not Adrian, tell you that, I

1411
01:25:44,700 --> 01:25:47,000
took him to despite Millions 
home. 

1412
01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:50,200
Yes, yes, yes. 
That's right. 

1413
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,700
And it's a sign on the door. 
That said dedicate it to the 

1414
01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:57,000
blind. 
A blind eye, socket architect. 

1415
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:02,100
Yes. 
So, did you, what did you think 

1416
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:17,700
of Spike as an individual? 
I mean, he seems to have a way 

1417
01:26:17,700 --> 01:26:20,200
with his humor other comedians 
didn't have. 

1418
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:24,000
And so good to see him on 
television when he started doing

1419
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,400
that. 
But I've been watching him on 

1420
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:31,000
all hearing to him here here. 
What a radio was one thing, but 

1421
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,200
the Siemens and the flesh look 
so different. 

1422
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:40,700
Yes, yes, I did. 
A recorded a Show recently with 

1423
01:26:40,900 --> 01:26:46,300
someone who Made the observation
that spikes best work. 

1424
01:26:47,500 --> 01:26:51,800
Best writing was probably when 
he was working with other people

1425
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:55,200
rather than just doing it on his
own. 

1426
01:26:55,500 --> 01:27:00,200
So so on the Goon show he 
worked, he had a collaborator 

1427
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:05,200
called Larry Stevens who wrote a
lot of scripts with him and Eric

1428
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,500
Sykes as well. 
He was great. 

1429
01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:09,400
He was funny, he was a very 
good. 

1430
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:10,700
Yes. 
Yeah. 

1431
01:27:10,700 --> 01:27:13,600
Where is Spike on his own? 
Although there was a lot that 

1432
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,100
was very successful, like the 
novel pacune. 

1433
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:18,600
Don't know if you've read pakkun
From these read it several 

1434
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:19,500
times. 
Okay. 

1435
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,100
Yes. 
So although but a lot of spikes 

1436
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:27,300
later work on television when he
didn't have someone there as a 

1437
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:29,500
almost like a steadying 
influence. 

1438
01:27:29,500 --> 01:27:33,000
It could sometimes be a bit. 
Yeah slipshod. 

1439
01:27:33,300 --> 01:27:37,500
Really Spike needed. 
Somebody to help him make. 

1440
01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:39,500
It have some kind of shape. 
I think. 

1441
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,300
Yes. 
Maybe Larry Stevens was good at 

1442
01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:44,100
the structure. 
Yes. 

1443
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,800
And obviously we know Eric Sykes
went on to write That's it. 

1444
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,300
Call me. 
You knew he knew good narrative 

1445
01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:51,700
structure and how to make it 
work. 

1446
01:27:51,700 --> 01:27:54,700
But still be funny. 
Whereas Spike was less 

1447
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:56,600
interested in structure. 
I think. 

1448
01:27:56,900 --> 01:28:00,700
Yes. 
Yeah which Park Hoon the miracle

1449
01:28:00,700 --> 01:28:03,000
of pacu and is that it makes as 
much sense as it does on 

1450
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,200
cycling. 
Well, it's an experimental novel

1451
01:28:06,300 --> 01:28:12,000
in many ways because it's the 
writer Milligan is a character 

1452
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,200
in the, in the, in the story. 
Yeah. 

1453
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,400
Includes himself. 
I don't know about you grandpa 

1454
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,800
but one of the things I've 
enjoyed reading the most was the

1455
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:25,300
war, Memoirs, you've read those 
am I right? 

1456
01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:29,700
Tyler, that, that was the first 
time that somebody had written a

1457
01:28:29,700 --> 01:28:32,000
memoir. 
He was just a regular soldier 

1458
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:35,300
that always it was always 
generals. 

1459
01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:37,900
Yeah. 
But yes, I don't know about if 

1460
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:40,700
it was the first regular Soldier
Memoir, but it was certainly one

1461
01:28:40,700 --> 01:28:46,100
of the first, if not the first 
that was unfettered by. 

1462
01:28:47,300 --> 01:28:51,500
Social niceties and Barrack room
language and stuff like that. 

1463
01:28:51,700 --> 01:28:55,200
I've grown up. 
Grandpa was did his national 

1464
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,100
service in the Air Force? 
Yes. 

1465
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,900
And I've grown up hearing the 
stories of the Antics that 

1466
01:29:00,900 --> 01:29:03,100
Grandpa got up to. 
Hmm. 

1467
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,000
So reading he's pretending to be
all innocent. 

1468
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,300
Now reading them Spike Milligan,
spoke just reminded me of the 

1469
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:13,100
kind of things Grampa. 
Got up to, with the other 

1470
01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:16,500
soldiers, other and what were 
you? 

1471
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:20,100
You were grounded. 
What you used to do some crazy 

1472
01:29:20,100 --> 01:29:22,000
things and get into trouble all 
the time. 

1473
01:29:22,700 --> 01:29:26,500
And a lot of what you did seem 
to just be inspired by doing 

1474
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:33,000
shows you like the key. 
Remember the story about how you

1475
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:38,400
were all on parade and you had 
to number it yourselves off. 

1476
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,700
Well, that's right. 
Yeah, we were on Parade as about

1477
01:29:41,700 --> 01:29:46,300
80 million parade and we had a 
number of from the left. 

1478
01:29:46,300 --> 01:29:49,500
Number one, one, two, three, 
four, one member who when they 

1479
01:29:49,500 --> 01:29:52,200
got up to nine. 
I spoken to the name beside me. 

1480
01:29:52,300 --> 01:29:57,900
So he said, nine ten, Jack queen
king sounds, as you were to 

1481
01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:00,000
visit. 
Again this time we said, Jack 

1482
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,400
queen king and that was it. 
I was out cold on send to the 

1483
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,500
Cookhouse. 
I went to the Cookhouse and was 

1484
01:30:07,900 --> 01:30:10,700
a huge machine. 
That was peeling potatoes. 

1485
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,000
So it's homage to do that. 
So I put the potatoes in. 

1486
01:30:14,300 --> 01:30:16,200
Nobody had told me when the 
switch is off. 

1487
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:18,800
My I did. 
His which is, how can these 

1488
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:25,600
white piece? 
They weren't a, why was, well, 

1489
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:29,500
if you read the Memoirs Spike 
talks about some of the 

1490
01:30:29,500 --> 01:30:33,600
punishments that were meted out 
on him, because of his 

1491
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:37,600
insubordination, and I know 
that, for example, he'd be made 

1492
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,800
to, I think it was something 
like, he might correct me if I'm

1493
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,900
wrong, Adrian. 
He would have to scrub steps or 

1494
01:30:44,900 --> 01:30:50,800
scrub a path with a toothbrush. 
Shhhh and paint the grass green 

1495
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,500
and things like that. 
And there was all in the name of

1496
01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:59,300
just giving him something 
demeaning to do as punishment. 

1497
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:04,100
I think, what the goons did was 
that it was they taught this 

1498
01:31:04,100 --> 01:31:07,400
year because I was my grandpa. 
Then was the Next Generation 

1499
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:11,300
really after the Goon? 
Yes, generation of British men 

1500
01:31:11,300 --> 01:31:14,700
doing their national service but
the Goon show taught them that 

1501
01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:18,800
they could actually disrespect 
the kernels and the Because the 

1502
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:22,400
Goon show was so irreverent 
about military Authority, yes. 

1503
01:31:22,700 --> 01:31:26,800
Before then everything was very 
much bowing down to the commute,

1504
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,600
the memory of the war and 
Military Authority. 

1505
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:32,000
But here was Grandpa and his 
friends actually being brave 

1506
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,300
enough to take the Mick. 
And that's because they were 

1507
01:31:34,300 --> 01:31:36,900
hearing it on the Goon show 
every week, but you are still 

1508
01:31:36,900 --> 01:31:38,800
listening to the goons when you 
got married. 

1509
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,500
Oh yes. 
Yeah, I'm sure. 

1510
01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:42,800
I remember you telling a story 
that you told a story at my 

1511
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:48,400
wedding about one time you 
Decided to stay on my 

1512
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,600
grandmother was taking my mom 
out on the prime for a walk and 

1513
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,500
you were supposed to go to you 
wanted to stay at home to listen

1514
01:31:54,500 --> 01:32:01,400
to the Goon show Met Life here. 
Really yeah everything stopped 

1515
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,800
in the house show here. 
The Goon show, I can tell you 

1516
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,500
one good story. 
Actually you might remember 

1517
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,600
about 10 years ago, my 
grandparents are both visiting 

1518
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,500
as they live in the Midlands, 
but they'd come down to 

1519
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:16,800
Eastbourne where I live and my 
uncle knows. 

1520
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,400
To visit and grandpa had a heart
attack while he was there was a 

1521
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:26,600
heart attack and you had to get 
obviously was hospitalized and 

1522
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:30,100
it's stable, but it was going to
be in hospital for a few days. 

1523
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:35,600
So, I had an iPod Touch. 
No, and iPod Shuffle, one of his

1524
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,700
little old silver ones. 
Yes, yes. 

1525
01:32:37,700 --> 01:32:41,100
I'm pause button. 
So I loaded it up with gun shows

1526
01:32:42,100 --> 01:32:45,400
and gave it to grandpa with some
headphones and he just lay there

1527
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:46,900
in the hospital. 
Laughing. 

1528
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:50,900
There's something to be all like
I told him all you gotta do is 

1529
01:32:50,900 --> 01:32:54,100
press play, press pause and as 
it so he was just listening to 

1530
01:32:54,100 --> 01:32:56,700
goon shows the whole time. 
He was in the hospital 

1531
01:32:57,100 --> 01:32:59,500
recovering from a heart attack. 
Excellent. 

1532
01:33:00,700 --> 01:33:04,000
Perhaps not the best thing to 
stay stable and calm Hospital. 

1533
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:11,000
But there were some so I agree 
but ever, so clever as a team. 

1534
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,400
I was quite surprised only a few
years ago, when I actually saw 

1535
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:22,900
him in town television before we
are going to show the the last 

1536
01:33:22,900 --> 01:33:26,300
game. 
Yeah, yes. 

1537
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,600
Yeah. 
And sorry, and Harry seek him. 

1538
01:33:30,900 --> 01:33:33,700
Had a house quite nearby and 
Sutton coldfield. 

1539
01:33:34,300 --> 01:33:37,800
And apparently, a lot of the 
Moon shows rehearsing their back

1540
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,800
garden. 
And when I have my, one of my 

1541
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,900
birthday's, I wrote to her In 
Austin, invite him to my 

1542
01:33:43,900 --> 01:33:48,100
birthday party but of course he 
wrote back and said, thank you 

1543
01:33:48,108 --> 01:33:54,900
very much having every time I 
can't be past their house. 

1544
01:33:54,900 --> 01:33:57,900
And people would all lead on one
side of the bus to see if they 

1545
01:33:57,900 --> 01:34:03,000
can catch a view them. 
Oh, it's so that that'll be out 

1546
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,700
in the garden in the back Garden
of Harrison House persons there,

1547
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,100
drinking brandy. 
Yeah, we have a close friends 

1548
01:34:10,100 --> 01:34:16,300
who somehow is Daughter or son 
was the same school so it's got 

1549
01:34:16,300 --> 01:34:18,900
a connection, the area, 
something called, yeah. 

1550
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:22,300
Okay, okay. 
I almost want to say before we 

1551
01:34:22,300 --> 01:34:27,100
finish that I owe a great deal 
of let all of the things I have 

1552
01:34:27,100 --> 01:34:29,500
the idol. 
I'm interested in in my life is 

1553
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,700
because of Grandpa and his love 
of The Goonies. 

1554
01:34:32,500 --> 01:34:34,500
Okay? 
You know when I was very when I 

1555
01:34:34,508 --> 01:34:37,600
was young before you introduced 
me to the Goon show, you'd also,

1556
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,600
you'd already given me the spike
Milligan books. 

1557
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:42,400
You know, I grew up reading and 
like many people didn't. 

1558
01:34:43,100 --> 01:34:47,500
So you got some kids. 
Yes, so I was well aware of all 

1559
01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:50,900
time and I probably watching 
Harry cecum doing highway on a 

1560
01:34:50,900 --> 01:34:55,800
Sunday afternoon and I was well 
aware of him and all the sort of

1561
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,200
Interest I had in comedy and 
radio comedy. 

1562
01:34:59,500 --> 01:35:03,800
All comes from that and also, 
because Grandpa wanted to be a 

1563
01:35:03,808 --> 01:35:07,300
comedian and had this love for 
comedy that spread through the 

1564
01:35:07,300 --> 01:35:10,300
whole family, really, and we're 
a whole family of performers and

1565
01:35:10,300 --> 01:35:13,700
artists and musicians. 
Ins and yes. 

1566
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,600
And a lot of that, all comes 
back to sort of grandpas desire 

1567
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:21,700
to entertain Excellence. 
As the family. 

1568
01:35:21,700 --> 01:35:25,000
We all grew up, putting on shows
what a lot of that would. 

1569
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,800
Please me, was I joined the 
Latter Day Saints church. 

1570
01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:31,100
And immediately they had, they 
had put on shows, like regular 

1571
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:33,500
basis. 
And I was always on stage doing 

1572
01:35:33,500 --> 01:35:36,000
something that's true, which was
very useful. 

1573
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:38,300
That is true. 
Being a Mormon, enables you to 

1574
01:35:38,300 --> 01:35:41,400
be put on a show, that's right, 
like practically every week. 

1575
01:35:41,500 --> 01:35:43,000
Okay, listen. 
Urged. 

1576
01:35:43,300 --> 01:35:44,300
Yeah. 
No. 

1577
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,500
They're always putting on shows.
That's right. 

1578
01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:49,600
Yeah, but yeah, that's just 
always been part of the family. 

1579
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:54,000
Now is putting on a show, so 
this sort of loves of 

1580
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,400
entertainment. 
All comes back to Grandpa's 

1581
01:35:58,500 --> 01:36:03,200
fandom really going right back 
to the early days, the 40s and 

1582
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:07,200
listening to it. 
Mar yes goons and and all of 

1583
01:36:07,208 --> 01:36:09,100
that stuff. 
So it's really kind of 

1584
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:12,200
fundamental to our whole 
family's life in many ways which

1585
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,100
is Is rather a grand, that is 
wonderful. 

1586
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:17,300
That is wonderful to have that 
strain through, you know, 

1587
01:36:17,300 --> 01:36:20,800
through each generation as 
talking to you hear. 

1588
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,100
You're interested in comedy. 
Oh no. 

1589
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:26,300
Lovely to speak to you, Peter. 
And thank you. 

1590
01:36:26,500 --> 01:36:29,800
And I just want to ask you one 
last question because you did 

1591
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,000
say that you don't like new 
comedy. 

1592
01:36:33,300 --> 01:36:35,800
But is there what came after the
goons? 

1593
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:38,900
What comedy that came after the 
goons and Hancock? 

1594
01:36:38,900 --> 01:36:42,000
Did you did you enjoy more than 
wise things like that? 

1595
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:47,100
Or Anything in particular. 
Not really, I couldn't 

1596
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:51,600
understand why this comedy has 
changed so much time in the 

1597
01:36:51,608 --> 01:36:54,600
match by the in the Mars, the 
goons and simulator. 

1598
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:59,500
That Jesus was so good. 
Modern here, I find and not 

1599
01:36:59,500 --> 01:37:01,900
funny. 
I'm afraid, we were just this 

1600
01:37:01,900 --> 01:37:04,500
morning watching a Norman, 
Wisdom film on the TV. 

1601
01:37:04,700 --> 01:37:10,500
It's good things like Danny. 
Kaye is a big fan of Danny Kaye.

1602
01:37:10,700 --> 01:37:14,300
Okay, okay, I guess in terms of 
radio comedy, kind of in the The

1603
01:37:14,308 --> 01:37:18,000
60s moved into more of the film 
comedy and be used more than 

1604
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,200
wisdom. 
And yeah, and that sort of stuff

1605
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,400
I suppose. 
Norman Norman Wisdom is 

1606
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,300
considered is held up as a God 
in Albania. 

1607
01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:29,800
You know, you know about that. 
Yes. 

1608
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:33,100
Whereas the people of the Isle 
of Man have different opinions 

1609
01:37:33,100 --> 01:37:37,600
on him. 
Do they do I know that I do? 

1610
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,200
I know that story. 
I don't know while that's just 

1611
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:42,300
where he spent his days at the 
end, isn't it? 

1612
01:37:42,500 --> 01:37:47,900
All right, okay, mmm. 
And with that unspoken 

1613
01:37:47,900 --> 01:37:50,200
condemnation of Norman Wisdom. 
We've reached the end of the 

1614
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,300
special show. 
I'm sorry. 

1615
01:37:52,300 --> 01:37:54,500
I didn't have time to include 
clips of everyone who's been on 

1616
01:37:54,500 --> 01:37:57,800
the show so far but perhaps 
sometime, I'll release further 

1617
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:01,000
of these selection boxes in air 
quotes. 

1618
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,500
We'll see how. 
We'll see how this one goes 

1619
01:38:03,500 --> 01:38:06,400
down. 
But for now let me quickly thank

1620
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,400
everybody. 
I haven't featured so far, takes

1621
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:13,100
deep breath. 
Ja naughty the in Billings and 

1622
01:38:13,100 --> 01:38:15,800
gee Bud. 
Phil Cannon, Paul Carmichael, 

1623
01:38:15,900 --> 01:38:19,700
Jonathan Co Tony Cross. 
John Doug leash, Christopher 

1624
01:38:19,700 --> 01:38:23,000
Douglas John dredge Barnaby 
Jones. 

1625
01:38:23,100 --> 01:38:26,100
Tim Elms Martin Gibbons James 
Griffith. 

1626
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,800
Laura, Grimshaw, Toby. 
Hey Doug. 

1627
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:32,300
Mike Haskins I mentioned Mike, 
but you can't mention my too 

1628
01:38:32,300 --> 01:38:35,200
often, Jeffrey Holland. 
Martin homes. 

1629
01:38:35,500 --> 01:38:38,600
Manning Kroll, Roger language. 
Jeremy Lin. 

1630
01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:41,400
Graham Lindsay foot. 
Michael lives lie. 

1631
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:46,800
Peter Lydon Darrell MacLean, 
Molly McDade, Jane Milligan, Lee

1632
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,400
Moon, Richard Moore, John 
Morris. 

1633
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:55,100
Anthony much Nick Newman, Henry,
normal, Merrill, O'Rourke, James

1634
01:38:55,100 --> 01:38:58,300
page, Lisa Parker, Jeremy 
Phillips. 

1635
01:38:58,300 --> 01:39:01,700
Scott fits John rain, Donna, 
Reese, Nick. 

1636
01:39:01,700 --> 01:39:06,200
Reeve David Renwick Graham 
Rinaldi gem Roberts. 

1637
01:39:06,500 --> 01:39:10,000
Jonathan Roberts, Eddie Robson. 
Jake's Anson. 

1638
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:15,600
Sure, Roger, Stevenson, John 
Street, Mark, Thomas, Andrew 

1639
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:20,700
Trowbridge, Richard, uh, sure, 
Ben Van de Velde Jeff Walker nor

1640
01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:25,800
Jeffers Julie Warren Keith, 
welcome, Robert will fit and 

1641
01:39:26,300 --> 01:39:29,300
John Williams. 
So, it just remains for me to 

1642
01:39:29,300 --> 01:39:32,400
say, thanks for all the support 
and downloads you can follow the

1643
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,600
show on Twitter. 
It's at goon show pod. 

1644
01:39:35,700 --> 01:39:38,300
There's a Facebook group, simply
search goon pod. 

1645
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:40,600
Please subscribe to the podcast 
so you don't miss Us any 

1646
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:43,500
episodes and please rate and 
review on Apple podcasts. 

1647
01:39:43,500 --> 01:39:46,000
It helps boost the show's 
visibility and I really 

1648
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:49,100
appreciate it. 
And for a five star reviews 

1649
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:51,300
only, please. 
One star reviews reduce me to 

1650
01:39:51,300 --> 01:39:54,200
the level of Woody Allen in 
Annie Hall neurotically. 

1651
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:57,100
Staggering around the house with
my head and my hands trying to 

1652
01:39:57,100 --> 01:39:59,700
work out what I've done wrong 
and mentally preparing myself to

1653
01:39:59,700 --> 01:40:03,900
jump off a bridge. 
Maybe a bit dramatic, but I am a

1654
01:40:03,907 --> 01:40:07,100
dramatic person. 
Any road up, have a very happy 

1655
01:40:07,100 --> 01:39:42,000
Easter and buh-bye. 
Us any episodes and please rate 

1656
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,900
and review on Apple podcasts. 
It helps boost the show's 

1657
01:39:44,900 --> 01:39:46,800
visibility and I really 
appreciate it. 

1658
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,700
And for a five star reviews 
only, please. 

1659
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,900
One star reviews reduce me to 
the level of Woody Allen in 

1660
01:39:52,900 --> 01:39:55,600
Annie Hall neurotically. 
Staggering around the house with

1661
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,200
my head and my hands trying to 
work out what I've done wrong 

1662
01:39:58,300 --> 01:40:00,700
and mentally preparing myself to
jump off a bridge. 

1663
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,900
Maybe a bit dramatic, but I am a
dramatic person. 

1664
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:09,100
Any road up, have a very happy 
Easter and buh-bye.