1 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:29,920 None. The. 2 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,800 Hello and welcome to Goon Pod, coming to you this week live 3 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,080 from a well appointed ski lodge in the Italian Alps where my 4 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,800 guest and I are drinking cognac and contemplating forming a 5 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,160 conga line. And they're both in sensible 6 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,640 knitwear. Isn't that right, Gary? 7 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,480 Very much so, yes. And oh, who is this? 8 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,640 Who's just booked head? And this is handsome American. 9 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,760 This is Robert Wagner. Hey. 10 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:28,600 Who's that over there? Enjoying a joke with Capucine. 11 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:31,080 It's it's one and only Colin Gordon. 12 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,280 The Dorset tones you can hear belong to my guest this week. 13 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,480 Gary. Roger. 14 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,800 Hello, Gary. Hello, how are you doing? 15 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,280 And thank you for inviting me back. 16 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,720 I'm glad to say that I do have an actual working microphone 17 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,800 this time, which is quite often useful when you're recording 18 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,760 podcasts. I had a hell of a job trying to 19 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,760 because because last time you were here because Gary was on 20 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,920 last year talking about the the Clueso films in general terms 21 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,280 and obviously I invited you on today to talk specifically about 22 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:08,280 the Pink Panther, the first one because it is 60 years this 23 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,440 month December 2023 in in December 1963 the Pink Panther 24 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,960 was released. But yeah last time you were on 25 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,600 that you're you're the technology was was letting you 26 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,640 down slightly so. What happened was I was actually 27 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:24,640 speaking to you from Scotland last time. 28 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,640 Oh yeah, and that in itself shouldn't make a difference. 29 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:30,880 But I was not speaking to you from my regular board and I had 30 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,200 to make urgent provision for a microphone and I chose one on 31 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,520 the strength of the fine reviews on Amazon which turned out to be 32 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,680 less inaccurate. But thankfully I am now reunited 33 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,400 with my lovely blue Yeti and yes all all as well. 34 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,440 We don't we don't need microphones here do we? 35 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,840 Because we're, as you said we're in this lovely ski lodge and 36 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,720 this is, this is the home of fielding isn't it. 37 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,720 And so your your voice carries and carries and carries and out 38 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,640 there, I think I can see, Is it Lauren Hardy trying to move an 39 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:08,200 organ over a rather wonky bridge and being chased by a gorilla? 40 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,760 Yes, Yes it is. Is it Robert Wagner in a gorilla 41 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,800 suit? No. 42 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,200 OK, so no. Have we actually now got a 43 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,400 definitive link between Lauren Hardy and the Pink Panther? 44 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,760 Are we actually saying that that's that's Canon? 45 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,200 Yes. Right. 46 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,320 OK. Yeah, we'll go with that. 47 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,160 I'm, I'm sure, I'm sure I mentioned that last time I was 48 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,440 on. About Spike Milligan using that 49 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,840 clip and there's a lot about the the added caption live from 50 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,880 Oslo, which said nine year old mean to hysteric. 51 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,040 So we're going to talk about gorilla suits a bit later, I 52 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,160 think. Yes, yes. 53 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,480 So yeah, you're you're you're very fond of the franchise, 54 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,080 aren't you? The the Pink Panther franchise, 55 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,600 the series of films with, let's face it, with Sellers as clue. 56 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,080 So. Indeed. 57 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,000 I mean we have actually we we did watch. 58 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,760 I was a year ago. We watched Inspector Closer with 59 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:04,760 Alan Arkin. Yeah, we did. 60 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,440 And it was an interesting, it was an interesting film. 61 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,760 And then he brought his own style to it. 62 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,880 But I think also, I mean that film. 63 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,240 No, not that Peter Sellers nor Blake Edwards was involved in 64 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,200 that film. Am I right? 65 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,760 No, and I I prefer my Alan Arkin, late 60s Alan Arkin 66 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,120 menacing Audrey Hepburn, then being a bumbling French 67 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,880 detective, to be honest. Fun Funny, you mentioned Audrey 68 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,240 Hepburn because I think her name is going to come up in this 69 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,760 conversation. Everything's linked. 70 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,320 Everything is, isn't it? Really. 71 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,320 It really is. I mean, this is, I know that 72 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,960 this is something that you and I and Tilt, of course, I've talked 73 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,000 about on the Sitcom Club before, but the supposed sitcom universe 74 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,920 where basically everything is just an expansion of everything 75 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,720 else. And we've probably advanced this 76 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,520 absurd notion that when television started in Britain, 77 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,080 it should have been an established protocol that every 78 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:05,360 piece of OK, I'll give, we'll give Shakespeare, you know, a 79 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,080 pass on this. But any kind of new drama or 80 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,000 comedy, all of it, has to be in some way linked to the previous 81 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,680 one, so that you have this enormous, basically vast, 82 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:21,080 stellar St. Of fictitious characters running 83 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,360 all the way through every single piece of British drama and 84 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,240 comedy. You mentioned the sitcom club 85 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,240 there, so that is that, along with Jaffa Cakes for Prouster 86 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,720 the the two central planks of your podcasting empire, shall we 87 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,480 say both, which both of which have been on hiatus for quite 88 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,960 some time for a number of reasons. 89 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Yes, indeed. Yeah, we are. 90 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,760 We are hopeful, but we we can't guarantee, but we are hopeful 91 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,640 that we might be able to release some sort of Christmassy treat 92 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,440 before the end of the year. But in the meantime, all of the 93 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,240 previous episodes are available, of course, at secondclub.com. 94 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,240 Yeah. And thank you for giving me the 95 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:07,200 chance to crowbar that in there. And the the the possible 96 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,360 Christmas treat. It's possibly about a hitherto 97 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,960 to us anyway unknown sitcom from the 1970s, right? 98 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,800 Well now this is the thing, because you actually put me on 99 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,960 to this because I'm trying to remember what I was doing. 100 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,080 I think it was. I was probably faffing about oh 101 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,160 I know what it was. Yeah. 102 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,320 So. Oh, right. 103 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,080 OK, how much of this can I say out loud? 104 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:36,960 OK, so my my sort of my, my real life work so to speak. 105 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,440 Is that ITV? And I was doing some ITV bits 106 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,800 and pieces. What do you think? 107 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,000 I think it might have been involving the FA Cup or 108 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,360 something like that and I suddenly get an urgent message 109 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,560 from Tyler saying there's a sitcom with Ken Jones and R for 110 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,320 low together. Can you get this thing? 111 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:01,040 And yeah, we we we investigated it and yes, it turns out that a 112 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,840 few of them have managed to to survive. 113 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:07,640 So yeah, we we will we will come back to that. 114 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,960 Hopefully that'll be before the end of the year. 115 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,040 But yes, I'm looking forward to that way. 116 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,720 I know we watched the the first one of those just recently, and 117 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:19,440 it's good silly fun by the the same writer as NEAREST and 118 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,240 Dearest John Stevenson. Yeah, and what else? 119 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,360 He wrote. Coronation Street. 120 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,960 Not all of it. Did a number of episodes. 121 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,880 Yeah. OK, Well, hopefully, hopefully, 122 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,200 as I say that, that will be coming up sometime in the 123 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,600 future. So let's talk about the Pink 124 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,240 Panther. We must find that woman. 125 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:44,600 What was that? What you say? 126 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,600 We don't have much of A description. 127 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,440 About 5 foot 7 black hair, wearing a light beige coat and 128 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,040 the fools that that fence escape. 129 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,240 He might have talked. We will catch him. 130 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,080 We must. We must find that woman. 131 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,480 She is our first positive link with the Phantom. 132 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,560 This film in particular, what does it mean to you? 133 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:13,440 So I suppose like most youths I got into pink panthering via the 134 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:18,960 cartoons and my era was very much the all new banned for show 135 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,720 featuring crazy like screen. And of course gradually through 136 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,560 repeats and what have you, you're introduced to the the 137 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,520 others in the series, particularly the fact that the 138 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,240 inspector clues or cartoons. He has a sidekick who sounds 139 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,760 very much like he's voiced by John Blue Fall although I don't 140 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,880 think he is. He never actually appears in the 141 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,799 films. And then of course, I think, I 142 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:47,080 think maybe the first one I ever saw was Strikes Again. 143 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,960 I think it would have been a television screening of that 144 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:55,360 sometime around about early 80s. And for a while that was how I 145 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,960 just saw the Pink Panther films. It is Peter Sellers as Inspector 146 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:01,840 Clouseau and there's Cato running around and there's 147 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,840 Herbert Long with his dangerous cigar lighter and so on and so 148 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:12,600 on. And gradually what if actually, 149 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,200 what if the one of our reference guides? 150 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,760 Because of course, you know these days it's all about the 151 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,800 Internet, isn't it? It's all about the tik toks. 152 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,240 But when you and I were growing up, you had books on a shelf 153 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,880 that were written by people like Leslie Halliwell, and you 154 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:33,520 consulted them if you wanted to find out about past films of a 155 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,600 series. And that's when I discovered, of 156 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,760 course, about the fact that David Nevin had been in the 157 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,760 original Pink Panther and this was intended as a vehicle for 158 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,960 himself. And I don't actually think I saw 159 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:53,960 this film until the year 2000, surprisingly enough, because for 160 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,480 whatever reason, my viewing of the Pink Panther films was 161 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,320 somewhat sporadic. So I never saw Revenge of the 162 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,920 Pink Panther until I think 1992. I saw the Alan Arkin one, 163 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,080 strange enough, I think I saw that before then I think that 164 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,080 was sitting on the video shop and I was intrigued to find out 165 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,400 what it looked like. And I'm pretty sure I actually 166 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,200 actually. I know I certainly saw the trail 167 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,480 of the big pan for many years before I ever saw the actual pig 168 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,400 pan for So what? About shot in the dark, maybe 169 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,400 you see. That shot in the dark? 170 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,320 I don't think I saw that for the first time till maybe about 10 171 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,160 years ago. Strangely enough that wouldn't 172 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,280 always eluded me for whatever reason. 173 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,080 You know what it's like with like certain films or shows 174 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,520 where you always just realize that you've just missed them in 175 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,400 the schedule they were just on the other day or something like 176 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:47,800 that. And before you know obviously we 177 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,040 had catch up and so on. So it was one of those things 178 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,040 where it was like always, all next time, Next time it's on, 179 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:57,840 I'll get to see it. But I got Trail, the Pink 180 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,640 Panther, the video shop, I think sometime around about 9192. 181 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,720 And of course, Trail has quite a lot of clips of the Pink Panther 182 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,440 in it. So that would have been the 183 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,720 first time that I'd seen that footage. 184 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,560 And then the first time I actually saw the film was a 185 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,960 television, airing in 2000. Was was that the IT the 186 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,840 notorious ITV airing? Yes. 187 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,440 I mean, I don't know that it has a lot of notoriety outside of 188 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,080 our conversations. Yeah, but for anybody who 189 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,920 didn't, and he was discussing this previously, it got an 190 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:34,520 airing at early peak time Saturday tea time in August of 191 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,600 2000, and was intended to then kick off a pink pan for season 192 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,000 with the rest of the films in that same slot. 193 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,520 But that season didn't get any further, at least in that slot. 194 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,640 It then moved to early afternoon and we were chatting off early 195 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,800 all day about it. May well be the people who were 196 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,840 planning those schedules at the time were sort of thinking, 197 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,000 well, obviously you've got to start with the first one, 198 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,360 whereas the audience is expecting to see broad it's 199 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,080 better clues. Oh and Cato and Dreyfus and so 200 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,240 on and so on. And I suspect to be honest, I 201 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,640 think it would have been exactly the same if they had started the 202 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,520 season with a shot in the dark. I mean, even though you've got 203 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,520 by that point, yes, you've got Dreyfus and so on. 204 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:24,280 I think that for most people the return strikes again on revenge 205 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,800 are considered the epitome of Clueso. 206 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,160 But there there were generally speaking what people identify 207 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,800 with when they think of that character. 208 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:41,400 And as we'll discuss that, this film is somewhat uneven and 209 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:48,600 there is a sort of a back and forth between Sellers and Nevin 210 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,200 as to who this film is for in a way. 211 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:58,280 Well, yeah. So the the film was conceived as 212 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,400 a as a comedy. Well, like a gentle comedy. 213 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:05,240 Not a gentle comedy, but one of those glitzy international romps 214 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:10,640 that was so beloved of film makers in the early 60s about 215 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:15,520 this charming jewel thief. So Charles Litton AKA The 216 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,440 Phantom and I I gather that Niven saw this or hoped that 217 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:25,320 this would be the first of a series of of films about the 218 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,800 antics of Sir Charles Litton because he was casting around 219 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,640 for projects to work on around this time wasn't it? 220 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,080 And and the character of Clusey was very much secondary and and 221 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,360 Peter Ustinov was famously originally cast as Clue so. 222 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,680 I didn't actually realize until I was researching for the 223 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:45,120 podcast today the used to not, apparently. 224 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,320 This is, according to Blake Edwards, an interview he had 225 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,680 pulled out of the film of One Week to Go. 226 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,000 Yeah, something like that. Yes, and so they were in a quite 227 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,360 a desperate state to try and find a replacement. 228 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,280 See and. These days you'd be held, held 229 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,360 to a contractually to God that you'd be financially. 230 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,760 It would be very, very difficult to extricate yourself from well, 231 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,800 I feel. Yeah, yeah, I think they 232 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,480 actually said that they did pursue legal action against just 233 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,200 enough as a result of ruling out. 234 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,280 And he wasn't the first person of course, as we'll come to, to 235 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,600 have left the project. Oh yeah. 236 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,360 Yeah, so he he went off and filmed very good film. 237 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,040 Top Carpi, which was directed by Jules Dessen. 238 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,240 Have you seen Top? Probably I seen this last time. 239 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,680 Have you seen Top Carpi? Have we watched? 240 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,400 Happy N No, no, I have no we have not. 241 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,800 On the list, It's really good. It's based on an Eric Ambler. 242 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,680 I love Eric Ambler, the novelist based on one of his novels. 243 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,960 And apparently Sellers had been offered the role that used to 244 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,000 have took up. So essentially they swap rolls, 245 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,320 I guess. Ceramics handmade by the 246 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,440 descendants of ancient heroes here, Reverend. 247 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,800 My name is Simpsons, Arthur Simpson. 248 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,040 I'm Church of India myself. It's a very religious place. 249 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,280 Do you know that Saint Paul passed through here on his way 250 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,800 to Samarth race? I do. 251 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,680 Will you be surprised to know the amount of people that don't 252 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:19,680 Bishop? The whole idea of the Pink 253 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:27,280 Panther came about because Blake Edwards was talking to a writer 254 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,720 that he had used before, a writer called Maurice or Maurice 255 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,880 Richland. And he he approached him with 256 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,480 the with a pitch for a film. And it was basically a French 257 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,120 police inspector is on the trail of a notorious jewel thief. 258 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,280 And the twist is that the inspector's wife is having an 259 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,480 affair with the thief. And that was the that was the 260 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,320 pitch, and Blake Edwards ran with it. 261 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,720 We may as well actually just just touching on straight away 262 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,840 because I I asked yourself last night about this and then we 263 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,040 said no hope, no save save it for the recording. 264 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,800 Yes. Yeah always we'll discuss 265 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:12,400 everything before and so OK let let let's let's take opposing 266 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,560 views on this for the sake of argument. 267 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,760 OK, let's let's let's suggest that this is Sky News and 268 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,920 today's hot topic during Kate Barley's show. 269 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:30,280 Is this, Did Clouseau and Simone, did they actually have a 270 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,840 loving relationship at first before her head was turned by 271 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,440 the world of Eve's and Laurent? Or was Simone always in a 272 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,480 relationship with Sir Charles and was using Clouseau from day 273 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,520 one? You can take whatever side of 274 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,560 the argument you want and I'll I'll provide the. 275 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,120 That's a point. So how long? 276 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,440 In the film Clueso says that he's been on the trail of the 277 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,760 Phantom for? I think it's. 278 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,560 I didn't jot it down between 10 and 15 years, something like 279 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,560 that, I think. And I think he's only been 280 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,359 married to Simone less than that period. 281 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:14,440 So I I contend that Simone married Clueso specifically to 282 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,960 aid the Phantom. In other words, she would be 283 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,079 able to provide the Phantom with inside information, and so he'd 284 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:23,400 be one step ahead of the police investigations. 285 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,680 That's my contention. OK, for the sake of argument, 286 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,800 I'm going to say I would like to think and I'm I'm more sort of, 287 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,920 this is a sympathy for Clueso. I'd like to think that there was 288 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:42,640 something there to begin with before because I mean, OK, if 289 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,080 given that Clueso has been chasing the Phantom for so long, 290 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,080 then he's bound to have mentioned it early on in their 291 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,120 relationship. And the more he said about the 292 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:58,240 phantom, perhaps that's when she started getting interested and 293 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:03,440 perhaps has then sort of considered, OK, well, you know 294 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,360 this phantom is is Oh yeah. Because obviously he suspects, 295 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,200 you know, before the the big pan for itself is his latest target 296 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,840 that he suspects it is Charles. So she will have seen Sir 297 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,840 Charles as an important person, a businessman, so on and so on 298 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,280 in the media and thought, yeah, that that lifestyle looks 299 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:32,120 interesting compared to the lifestyle of a police officer's 300 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,440 wife, so. But yet, technically, then, she 301 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,240 has she has unmasked Sir Charles as the phantom before her 302 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,800 husband has. That's his job. 303 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,880 Well. I mean, we know that. 304 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,040 So Charles and someone are already in the relationship at 305 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,720 the beginning of this film, so maybe it's a Charles himself who 306 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,680 has unmasked himself to someone rather than rather than clues. 307 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,000 Or perhaps. And the rest. 308 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:03,800 Well, indeed, yes. But I mean, because, yeah, first 309 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:10,880 glance you're sort of thinking, OK, yeah, how Clueso and Simone, 310 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,080 that they just their roles are not the same and you think, 311 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,680 yeah, how, how could this have come about? 312 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:23,960 But it could be. True love, but again she's an 313 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:30,440 elegant, self assured woman of the world and it's again, it's 314 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,040 it's like the question, how did Sellers, sorry, had a clue. 315 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:38,400 So get to the position he is in this French, in the settee, no. 316 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,160 Yes, because I I'm I'm going to suggest that this is a Peter 317 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:49,240 Principle in play and that Clueso is strange thing is OK 318 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:55,760 Clueso is buffoonish and he's obviously accident prone but 319 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:02,240 don't think Clueso stupid Clueso sometimes in his calculations 320 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,440 and what have you. I'm I'm going to be on just this 321 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,040 one single film and think of the series as a whole. 322 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:10,480 Sometimes he's an he's he's right. 323 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,920 Sometimes he is correct in his calculations. 324 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:20,800 He's not very good at being able to act upon his suspicions, but 325 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,120 he must surely have. OK, I guess it's ridiculous 326 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:27,400 saying this when you then think of the scene with himself and 327 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,520 John Blue Fall as the lookout at the beginning of the town and 328 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,640 you think how an Earth could could get this, How does this 329 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,440 guy actually manage to, you know, find his way to the office 330 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:44,320 correctly every morning? But I think, I think there was a 331 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:54,200 combination of he does have a good brain for detective work to 332 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,640 an extent. I think he's also good, good 333 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,520 people around him. And also he is quite often lucky 334 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,880 that he finds himself at the right place at the right time. 335 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,560 And I could see that happening because, I mean, everybody knows 336 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,320 people like that, probably in their own workplace. 337 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,680 You see people and you think that bloody hell that they get 338 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,600 promoted. Oh, absolutely. 339 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,280 Level. And OK, I'm I'm one of them. 340 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,240 Right, OK. OK, hang on, hang on. 341 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,600 OK I'm going to be going to be circumspect about what I'm 342 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,600 describing here but this is this is a place I used to work at 343 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,400 many, many years ago like sort of 20 plus years ago. 344 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:41,120 One of the managers there was receiving an award for I don't 345 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,720 know whatever it was employee of the month whatever it was but 346 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,320 some some it was, some do that were staging. 347 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,520 And up he goes and he gets his little plaque and what have you 348 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,000 and shakes the chief executives and and there's a woman there 349 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,720 that I didn't recognize because we're all standing at the bar 350 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:04,000 myself and all these coworkers and she's saying how the how the 351 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,400 hell he got that I will never know if honestly. 352 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,000 Right if he if he is your manager then God help a lot of 353 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,640 you. That was his wife. 354 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:23,160 And honestly, I mean, and she wasn't wrong because if you ever 355 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,480 said anything to him, if you said you've got some sort of 356 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,280 issue and you, you explain what the problem was, his face would 357 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,760 just freeze. Like he was like the equivalent 358 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,280 of like the blue screen on windows. 359 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,000 You could see that, like the cogs trying to turn over and in 360 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,960 his mind. But somehow he was above far, 361 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,760 far more on the face of it, far far more capable people. 362 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,880 And he obviously said the right things. 363 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,560 He never struck me out. There was a particularly good 364 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,160 networker. So how he done it, I don't know. 365 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,680 But yeah, so I can only assume that the same as well. 366 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,680 Yes, yeah. But there's sometimes Gary, It's 367 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,400 something as simple as I used to work for a very small company 368 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,880 many, many, many years ago, where someone completely 369 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,520 incompetent in terms of doing the actual job achieved a level 370 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:19,560 of promotion simply because he provided our boss with a steady 371 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:30,080 stream of pornography. So back in the days when you had 372 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,680 to work for it, you know? It's interesting. 373 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,120 Just talking about you, you said Cluso is not stupid, or at least 374 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:42,080 he I I think it's quite interesting watching this film 375 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,000 again for the purposes of this, because you're watching it. 376 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,760 I'm watching it with more of a critical eye, you know? 377 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:57,720 And it's interesting how Cluso frequently acknowledges when 378 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,840 something simple that he attempts to do goes awry. 379 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,440 There's. One. 380 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,080 There's one in particular where he is in the bedroom and he 381 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:13,720 attempts to place his gloves and his hat on the hangar and both 382 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,040 just immediately dropped to the floor and it just holds up his 383 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,400 hands. Yeah. 384 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,000 It doesn't have. To say a word. 385 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,000 And he's not. He's not. 386 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,400 Oblivious to his failings. Is he? 387 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:29,080 Let's put it down, yes, yes. And I like it's interesting as 388 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,760 well. So we're going to go backwards 389 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,960 forge with this conversation. I know, but you said before that 390 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,040 Sellers was the replacement for Houston off at very short 391 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,760 notice. And I gather, depending on you 392 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,560 know what you've read, who you believe he Sellers arrived in 393 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,760 Rome on the Friday to begin filming on the Monday in in 394 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,800 November 62, and he meets Blake Edwards. 395 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,680 Blake Edwards really only knew him from seeing. 396 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,360 I'm all right, Jack. Prior to this and in the car 397 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,880 journey from the airport to the hotel, the the two of them were 398 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,120 talking about the character of Clouseau as it had been sketched 399 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,440 out for Houston off and the Houston off. 400 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,600 Clouseau was to be quite composed, quite straight, quite 401 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,240 by the book, and Sellers was firm that he wants to make the 402 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,920 role his own. So both men, you mentioned 403 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,640 Lauren Hardy, Both men loved Lauren Hardy, that they loved 404 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,480 the great silent comics, and in that during the course of that 405 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,840 car journey between the two of them, they they they sort of 406 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,320 shaped the character of Clueso. The basic details if you like. 407 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:44,800 So he's a well-intentioned yet idiotic accident prone character 408 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,840 who is aware of his own failings but never gives up despite 409 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,080 everything. Conspiring. 410 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,840 Against them. And he always tries to maintain 411 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,680 his dignity. Yes. 412 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,280 Above all else, yes. And and also in this film, this 413 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,240 first film we never see because he he's only got a wife in this 414 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,480 film. In subsequent films, he's a 415 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,520 bachelor. He's very, what's the word, 416 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:14,240 Axorious. He's very devoted, overly 417 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,880 devoted to his wife. Although I think he's just 418 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,240 trying to get his end away, really, isn't he? 419 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,200 He's basic. Uh huh. 420 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,080 Why aren't you in bed, my darling? 421 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,120 I was. I mean. 422 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,080 I mean, I'm just. I'm just going to, dear. 423 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,680 My study varies. Yes, The Porter just brought it 424 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,480 in. I sent it to the. 425 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,920 Village to be repaired. I just hope they know how to fix 426 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,200 plastic. I hope so too. 427 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:51,800 So far so good. We shall see. 428 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,440 Better. Than ever. 429 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,360 Yeah. I doubt if we should need it 430 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,520 tonight, my love. I'm sure we won't die. 431 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,120 Yeah. No. 432 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:08,400 He. He. 433 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,440 Really does come across as genuinely in love with someone. 434 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,160 Yeah. And that that makes a little 435 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,160 more tragic. Yeah, because you. 436 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,120 Can see that he's being played and I suspect anybody else 437 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,600 observing their relationship for any length of time, even if they 438 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,520 don't know anything about Sir Charles being in the picture, 439 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,520 they can see that it's generally one way traffic. 440 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,080 You know, he will give a lot. She will give a little back, 441 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,360 which seems to be just enough to to satisfy him and to to keep 442 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,080 him, you know, away from suspicion or whatever. 443 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,960 Like I said, actually there are a couple of times in the film, 444 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,920 but he does, he says at one point we mustn't have any 445 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:56,520 secrets between US. And he spots little things like 446 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,000 on not little things at all, but like the shattered vase of 447 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,640 flowers and so on. And even then there's a little 448 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,960 flicker there is if he's sort of thinking, OK, is there something 449 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,880 going on here? But that doesn't last very long 450 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,680 that doesn't doesn't stay with him. 451 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,160 He doesn't become more and more suspicious. 452 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,520 He's he's almost like he's constantly on his guard every 453 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,880 once in a while. But then she only has to say the 454 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,800 slightest little thing and he's reassured again and as far as 455 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,960 he's concerned all is OK. There's the, there's. 456 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,480 The scene where he sees the wet footprints, yes. 457 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,880 Trailing along the. Floor towards the bed. 458 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,920 Yes. And he's for the longest time 459 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,440 he's trying to work out what this could mean. 460 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,440 And then Simone just pulls him into the bed and all is 461 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,000 forgotten. Yes. 462 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,000 Pretty much. It is. 463 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,560 I mean, a lot of this film is is set in the Clueso bedroom or the 464 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,880 the hotel bedroom that the Cluesos are staying in. 465 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,080 And it's a classic bedroom fast, isn't it? 466 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,880 Well, now this. This this is the the one of the 467 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,200 things that struck me about the film and how sort of uneven it 468 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,960 is because in a way it sort of feels like 2 films. 469 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,120 I don't just mean that the the the two and a throw in between 470 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,520 is Sir Charles or Clueso. Which one of them is actually 471 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,400 like the the the big star of this film? 472 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,640 But you see that like the the first thing that actually struck 473 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,360 me just watching it back the other day. 474 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,840 The opening titles don't include Clueso, which is understandable 475 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,400 because like you say, he wasn't intended to be the principal 476 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,800 character. The next thing I noticed, apart 477 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,320 from the fact of how colorful the film is, because it really 478 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,680 does, it makes good use of the the outdoors and the 479 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,480 surroundings and everything. It looks so warm. 480 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,360 It looks so inviting. Oh, well, yeah. 481 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,680 I'm sorry to interrupt, but in the 1st 10 minutes of the film, 482 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,840 we see four different locations and they are on location. 483 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,640 We well, sorry, right at the beginning we see the the Sultan 484 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,800 of Lugash, don't we? But then we see Rome, including 485 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,920 apartments which were situated directly across the road from 486 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:04,440 the Colosseum, Hollywood and Cortina. 487 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,280 Yes. That's all in. 488 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,360 The 1st 10 minutes, yes. And then you go from that and 489 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,520 it's a really busy opening as well as a lot going on in those 490 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,840 first few minutes, a lot of characters going on. 491 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,840 And there's also a couple of, they don't, they're not red 492 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,040 headings as such, but a couple of things that sort of throw you 493 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,200 the wrong way. The two heavies that are chasing 494 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,240 after Robert Wagner's character, for example, you might think, 495 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,400 OK, or we're going to see them again. 496 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,680 I mean, if I do things like that where you're sort of, you're 497 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,440 just sort of finding your way in the opening of the film, you're 498 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,320 sort of thinking, OK, by who's who here, what's what's, what's 499 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,800 actually, yeah. What's? 500 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,600 Our what's our focus point? I expected. 501 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,600 More definitely from the Robert Wagner character. 502 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,520 In terms of his back story to come into this, it doesn't 503 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,240 really. All it is that he owes some 504 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,960 goons in Hollywood. 40,000. Dollars. 505 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,360 Yeah. He's been lying to his 506 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:07,120 benefactor, His uncle, Yeah, Sir Charles, that he's studious at 507 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,960 college and looking to join the Peace Corps. 508 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,200 But he's just been out and about having a a grand old time of it, 509 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,280 hasn't he really he hasn't done. He's, he's, he's, he's a he's. 510 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,560 An early American prototype for Leslie Phillips and Casanova, 511 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,520 73. You better explain. 512 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,240 Explain that. So for for those who've never 513 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,800 seen Casanova 73, written by Gordon and Simpson is basically 514 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,880 Leslie Phillips trying to get his oats week in, week out. 515 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,280 And this show began at 8:00 in the evening and was rapidly 516 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,960 elbowed to post Watershed because it really was just 517 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,480 Leslie Phillips trying to get his leg over with a very. 518 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,280 Suggestive opening credit sequence. 519 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,680 Oh. God, yes. 520 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,640 Yes. And which we won't dwell on, but 521 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,680 no, wasn't it? Wasn't it responsible for 522 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,200 Mastermind? Yes. 523 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,200 Because they needed something to go into that 8:00 slot and 524 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,280 mastermind it was. And of course that then became, 525 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,440 I mean still going today, of course. 526 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,760 But yeah, that that, that promotion to that slot is what 527 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,040 established mastermind from then on. 528 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,760 Should we just talk a little bit about the principal actors in 529 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,800 this? Yes. 530 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,320 Like to do. I always like to do this, you 531 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,240 know, I like to say, you know what have we seen them in before 532 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,440 and that sort of thing now? Let me just quickly throw in one 533 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,680 name right the outset, which the name popped up on the screen and 534 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,400 I thought, I know that name but I cannot place him. 535 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,440 The associate producer of the film was Dick Crockett, and I 536 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,120 think he might also have been stuntman for this film as well 537 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:54,120 as yes, he was the President in Strikes Again the the. 538 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,840 The sort of Jimmy Sorry, Gerald Ford. 539 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,360 Gerald Ford. Yeah, Avatar. 540 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,000 Yeah, yeah. Really. 541 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,200 Yes. And you? 542 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,400 As soon as I saw his name, I thought, I've seen that name 543 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,080 somewhere before. And yeah, yeah, because. 544 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,960 The scenes in this in The Pink Panther, during the fancy dress 545 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,080 party, you've obviously got Clouseau in the suit of armour, 546 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,680 and sometimes the visor is up, sometimes it's down, and often 547 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,400 when it's down, the character of Clouseau falls over. 548 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,120 Yes, that's Dick Crockett in that it's not sellers, I I do. 549 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,080 Like the fact that the clues So again look at this goes back to 550 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:36,760 him not having an excess of common sense, that of all the 551 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,800 different costumes that he could have chosen for this rather 552 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,760 important task, he has chosen the least mobile of all. 553 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,720 You're not going to outrun somebody, are you in a do we 554 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,920 think? Do we think that he went to the 555 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,080 the dress shop of Augusta's Balls, regardless of whether he 556 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,600 was Graham Stark or Harvey Carman? 557 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,600 And just the thing for you, Inspector. 558 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,400 Does or did August balls have a branch in Rome? 559 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,920 I'm I'm sure, I'm sure something could be arranged. 560 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,760 I mean he because he, I think he is actually his own, his only 561 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,719 customers, you know? Yeah, OK. 562 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,800 But yes, so that's interesting. Dick Crockett. 563 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,639 Yeah, I can picture him now in Strikes Again, Which is. 564 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,280 Is that your favorite? Isn't that your? 565 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,080 Is that your favorite? My. 566 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,320 Favorite of all is return because I think that it's got, 567 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:41,159 it's just got the perfect balance of the the clues or by 568 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,320 that time the clues or is sort of what you've come to expect 569 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,719 from the characters is the character is fully rounded and 570 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,000 he's in I suppose what you call his final form. 571 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,520 Also I really like the the subplot with Christopher Plummer 572 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,600 running for that film as well. Yeah, it's interesting. 573 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,000 That never didn't return to place. 574 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,240 Charles. It's Christopher Plummer. 575 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:10,960 Yet Nevin returns after Sellers is dead, Betrayal and yes. 576 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,200 He is in course as well, yes, as is, as is Capucine. 577 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,280 But I don't think, I don't think never would have been right for 578 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,680 the role as portrayed in return, because he's much more physical. 579 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,360 He's why he sees, you know, he seems to have gone backwards in 580 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,480 age. He's a slightly younger man, 581 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:34,400 true. And there's a lot of action 582 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,440 going on. I don't know that never would 583 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,880 have been ideal for that. Probably not. 584 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,320 No. Just on Capucine. 585 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,680 Real name? Oh God. 586 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,280 I'm going to take a run at this. Jermaine Helaine Irene 587 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:54,240 Lefebrevre. He was famous as a model, but 588 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:59,160 she made, she did quite a few films and her squeeze at the 589 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,640 time of this film for one of a better word was Charles Feldman. 590 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,480 And he also happened to be Blake Edwards agent. 591 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,640 And she and she came into because I think Eva Kardner was 592 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,640 meant to be Madame Clouseau, wasn't she? 593 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,360 Yes. But she had she. 594 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,560 Had some unrealistic demands, yes. 595 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,080 And I think that I think she, I think she ended up leaving maybe 596 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,800 about sort of three weeks into the initial stages for the 597 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,680 production and there was about a week after that I think the use 598 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,680 not left but kept the cap. You seen interesting because she 599 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,040 had a long relationship with the actor William Holden in in the 600 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,400 60s. She was very close friends with 601 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,680 Audrey Hepburn and Audrey Hepburn had been considered for 602 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,240 the role of the Princess isn't she? 603 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,440 And you I think you said because we touched on this last night. 604 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,560 I think you said or Tilt said that would have made sense and I 605 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:02,040 disagree because right at the beginning of the film when we 606 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,600 see the young Princess and the pre credits sequence in Lucash 607 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,040 clearly played by a young actress who is, you know, of 608 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,480 Asian descent, no getting around it. 609 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,440 Whereas Claudia Cardinali who we see you know in the rest of the 610 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,640 film as the actual grown up Princess Princess Darla, isn't 611 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,800 it. Well, at the very best you could 612 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,280 say she's got swarthy looks, swarthy Mediterranean looks, 613 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:33,200 She's basically changed race as she's grown up. 614 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,120 I mean it. Had it? 615 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,640 Had it been Audrey Hepburn? I mean, OK, it certainly wasn't 616 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,040 uncommon for people to be playing characters of different 617 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:49,800 ethnicities to themselves. So yeah, well, Sellers himself, 618 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,120 of course. So, yeah. 619 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,960 But I think that Claudia cardinality is ideal for that 620 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,840 role. To be honest, I think that she 621 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,240 thinks she comes across quite natural in the role, whereas I 622 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,800 think the Audrey Hepburn might have been a bit sort of film 623 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,600 star. Does that make sense? 624 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,800 The way I'm saying that it's like, oh bloody hell is Audrey 625 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,640 Hepburn and the whole thing you're looking at and you're 626 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,160 thinking it's Audrey Hepburn, yes. 627 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,400 Whereas the role of the Princess is to be somewhat understated 628 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,440 and she's also extremely cautious about such AL's and the 629 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,960 other people around her. Because as we discover on the 630 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,840 subplot, it's not just the fact that she's got this very 631 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:39,400 valuable diamond, but also there was a political slanter as well. 632 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,360 It is disputed. I will have this conversation 633 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,160 when the top story in news today is about the elegant marbles. 634 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:46,840 Oh God, yeah. Yeah. 635 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,880 She She's portrayed as very. Vulnerable, but at the same time 636 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,280 very strong willed and very self confident with her with a she's 637 00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:01,520 got agency in this film and and what I couldn't get my head 638 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,920 around was that because it was a marvellous job they did, she was 639 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,480 overdubbed for the whole film, yes. 640 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,600 I didn't know whether she wasn't that she couldn't speak English 641 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,320 properly or she had such a heavy accent that they needed to 642 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,400 overdub her for the whole film. I'm not quite sure I was. 643 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,240 Three years old when I rode my first elephant. 644 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:34,200 I was 6 when I went on my first Safari Frazari Wild Animal Hunt, 645 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,440 and I was 10 when I begged my first tiger. 646 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,400 But I never forget my lovely Little Pony. 647 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,680 When did you beg him? Oh, you're making fun again. 648 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,440 You really don't like animals, don't trust a man who doesn't 649 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:58,360 care about animals, and don't trust an animal who doesn't care 650 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,720 about people. Why? 651 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,760 You don't like people? I like people. 652 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:14,360 Oh, that's supposed to be me who doesn't like people, right? 653 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,400 If you say so. No, I should just. 654 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,800 Point out of the way, Yeah, best. 655 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,960 The best instance of somebody being dubbed for a film? 656 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,960 Howdy Hernia and Carry on Emmanuel Dumped by Kenneth 657 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,720 Connor as an Australian. What? 658 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:34,320 What? What was? 659 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,640 Sorry, What? What? 660 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,320 So there was there. Was a bodybuilder called Howdy 661 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,320 Hernia? Yes. 662 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:46,280 And the the guy, the bodybuilder himself playing the role was 663 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,560 thought to have quite a sort of weak voice, not with a strongman 664 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,280 voice. So he's dubbed by Kenneth 665 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,960 Connor, who then plays him as an Australian. 666 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,920 But. Kenneth Connor's in the film as 667 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,840 well as Yes he is, but. He's not playing an Australian, 668 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:05,240 so he's he's able to. And you're going to see the 669 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,880 actor who plays Harry Hernia in another film. 670 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,840 At some point when he get round to disgusting, come play with 671 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:12,240 me. Oh. 672 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,560 Dear God, yeah, OK. Which? 673 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,080 Which? Which you really should not have 674 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,880 agreed to. Well, I want to. 675 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,880 I want to see it for the reasons that you you've you've really 676 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,840 built it up over the years that we've talked about. 677 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,960 Come play with me, I think. I think. 678 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,040 In all honesty, I think it's this is this is off topic, but 679 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,200 the I think I think it has developed Mystique all of its 680 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,320 own. But yeah, we'll save that for 681 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,680 the cast, yeah. Cool. 682 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,960 OK, now can't be seen. She's got really good comedy 683 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,760 chops in this good good timing. She she works very well. 684 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,520 She plays off sellers very well. The bit with the hat, when the 685 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,680 hat drops in her face, caught in the hairpin, she's you know 686 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,600 she's not afraid to to do comedy, which a lot of models 687 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,640 turned actresses would possibly feel a bit awkward or 688 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,080 disinclined to do to do the comedy. 689 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,240 I would have said, but I think I thought she was very good. 690 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,440 She was in lots of French, French movies. 691 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,680 She was in What's New Pussycat, of course, which Sellers was in. 692 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,360 And she also yeah, she was in Trail and Curse of the Pink 693 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,800 Panther. She was in an episode of Heart 694 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:28,040 to Heart alongside Robert Wagner and she was she, she was to have 695 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,880 been cast in the Sellers film Waltz of the Tory Doors, but 696 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,720 this fell through. And David Niven. 697 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,880 David Niven, David Niven. What do you think of David Niven 698 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,000 generally? Well, I mean David is not 699 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,520 somebody that I've actually seen a lot of fun screen. 700 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:47,320 I've not seen a lot of his work. But of course I was familiar 701 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,360 with him growing up and I think I was probably more aware of 702 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:57,160 just this general sort of persona and being the the the 703 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:03,600 typical as portrayed English gentleman and he's somebody that 704 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,000 I'm interested to see and more films I'm interested. 705 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,640 I would like to see him in Raffles of 19, maybe 939 of him 706 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,040 that was be interested to see him in that. 707 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,840 And there's also one that we've spoken about as well. 708 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,800 There is a bank robbery film. I think it's called as a 709 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,240 Nightingale and Barkley Square and Nightingale. 710 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,160 Saying about the square. Yeah, Yes. 711 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:22,720 Yeah. I'm. 712 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,880 Interested to see that as well and I've not really heard him 713 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,480 being spoken about in a great deal in terms of acting range. 714 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,400 I think that he's more somebody who is very dependable on screen 715 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:43,840 and was a big name for the fact that he personified a particular 716 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,000 type of gentleman. And of course he's he's ideal in 717 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,200 this. I think that perhaps the scenes 718 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:56,400 where he is attempting to seduce the Princess, perhaps he the age 719 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,120 gap is a bit too much. Yeah, for sort of modern 720 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,360 audiences. But then the Princess herself 721 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,680 actually refers to that in the conversation about the the 722 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,760 dining table, the fact that he's a middle-aged man going from one 723 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,000 conquest to another. Mm hmm. 724 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,000 He tends to always play the same sort of character, doesn't he? 725 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,120 Really? I'm very fond of him in, Well, 726 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,280 I'm very fond of the film in general. 727 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,120 A Matter of Life and Death, The Power and Press Burger film. 728 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,360 Yes, again he was. Lead. 729 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,600 Was he the lead character in Casino Royale? 730 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,080 Lead actor in Casino Royale? He was in Murder by Death with 731 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,440 Sellers as well, of course. And yeah, great raconteur. 732 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,760 And he was just never off Parkinson, was he? 733 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:52,960 He was always on Parkinson. And his character in this Sir 734 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,920 Charles, the relationship that he has with the Princess is 735 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:05,440 never made clear. Is he is he purely just trying 736 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,920 to? Does he do you think he has any 737 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,480 romantic interest in her at all? Or is he purely just trying to 738 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,640 get the goods in terms of where the the diamond is? 739 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,920 Through getting a drunk. And whatnot I I. 740 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:25,720 I think romantically, no. But in terms of trying to have 741 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:29,560 his either way, so to speak, certainly yeah. 742 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:35,400 And if that then by extension, then leads him closer to the 743 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,120 diamond, then all the better. Yeah, I'm. 744 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,640 Going to talk more about the cast of course, but just we 745 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,400 might as well talk about this bit now, but. 746 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,520 So in this film. I would say 60% of Clueso in 747 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,120 this film. He's desperate to have adult 748 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,200 hugs with his wife. Yes, she didn't want to be. 749 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,320 And his poor thwarted libido. He's a bit like, he reminds me a 750 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,280 bit of Pepe Le Pew in this There's there's. 751 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:13,720 One there's one scene that do you know what this The sense is 752 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,720 strange because as I was watching it, I thought, did I 753 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:24,040 actually hear that or am I just sort of wishing that I'd heard 754 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,960 it because it's such a good gag? And then when I was going 755 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,880 through some newspaper cuttings for reviews of the film from the 756 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,040 time itself, I was so pleased to actually see one reviewer 757 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,280 specifically mentioned this. So I knew that I hadn't imagined 758 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,080 it at all. The point where someone says, I 759 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,800 think at best just have a sleeping pill and you better 760 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,720 have one yourself. And he walks into the bathroom 761 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,280 and then drops the sleeping pills and you don't see it. 762 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,400 And then later on, a few seconds later he's trampling over them 763 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,320 again and again you don't see it. 764 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,000 And I'm, I'm sort of thinking did I actually, did I hear that 765 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,320 was that. Yeah. 766 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,040 And that that's just a such a a such a lovely idea for a guy 767 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,080 because it's it's a it's it's a sight gag that isn't a sight 768 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:18,840 gag. And. 769 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,600 And also key to it as well. I mean, so much of the comedy 770 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:27,360 with Cleo so happens off camera. And in that instance, you don't 771 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,800 hear him. You hear the sound of the 772 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,240 sleeping pills dropping on the floor in the bathroom. 773 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,400 You don't hear Sellers going oh shit or something or whatever 774 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,000 and you don't. He walks out perfectly. 775 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,920 Passive face, passive expression. 776 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,120 You know he's he's used to the sort of thing happening in his 777 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:50,120 life and and Blake Edwards was you know made a point of filming 778 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,280 as I say lots lots of the comedy occurring off camera. 779 00:47:53,840 --> 00:48:00,520 He was influenced by Ernst Lubic the German film director of 780 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,280 Heaven Can Wait and we saw it recently didn't we? 781 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,000 To be or not to be. So basically the actors move 782 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,480 more than the camera. I think I'll. 783 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,920 Just take a sleeping pill. What am I doing? 784 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,960 I'll give it for you. And why don't you take one 785 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,680 yourself? I You need the rest, you know? 786 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,560 Yes. I think perhaps I will do. 787 00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:52,380 Yeah. My daddy. 788 00:48:57,690 --> 00:48:59,930 Thank you, my Angel. Thank you, my Angel. 789 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,880 You've got Sir Charles. What we would say today, you 790 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,680 know, the problematic scenes potentially with Sir Charles and 791 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,320 the much, much younger Princess and putting pressure on her to a 792 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,560 degree, getting a drunk and all that sort of thing you've got. 793 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,520 Robert Wagner's. Character George forced trying 794 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,400 to force himself pretty much on Madame Clouseau and and the 795 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,560 Princess I think at one point and and close to himself of 796 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,880 course who's just, you know who only wants us a bit of loving 797 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,920 really it's all he wants. And Roger Lewis, in his book on 798 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:50,800 Sellers, he said the joke of the Pink Panther is that it is a sex 799 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,800 comedy in which the characters don't get to have any Claudia 800 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,040 Cardinali's horish Princess. That's a bit strong. 801 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,960 Oh, come on, Roger. Claudia Cartadelli's horish 802 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,560 Princess gets drunk on champagne and passes out on Niven's. 803 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,040 Sir Charles Capucine fans off Robert Wagner. 804 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,520 Niven is always called away or otherwise distracted. 805 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,360 If Capucine comes close, nobody succeeds in getting their rocks 806 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,240 off. Nobody manages to keep 807 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:22,720 possession of the Rock, the Pink Panther jewel itself. 808 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,920 Hang on, what was he actually? I mean, he surely wasn't 809 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:32,280 expecting full on Confessions of a Window Cleaner in 1963, was 810 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:39,600 he? I mean if if the had actually 811 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:47,120 been, a scene involving 2 or more of those characters would 812 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,840 have got past the sensor. Probably not. 813 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:56,560 Maybe, maybe, maybe Billy copies Circulating Scandinavia, right? 814 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,400 OK. We haven't. 815 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,400 Mentioned them really, have we, And I think we need to the 816 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,360 wonderful, peerless Colin Gordon, yes. 817 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:12,480 Yes, indeed. And of course the role of sort 818 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,400 of clues was psychic to an extent. 819 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,720 That goes Graham Stark in Shot in the Dark. 820 00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:23,440 Yeah. And then, of course you have oh, 821 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:28,160 remind me of his name. A man from The Turn and strikes 822 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,720 again. And revenge. 823 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,160 Andre. Andre. 824 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,000 Oh. Andre Moran, yes. 825 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,240 But for this film, we have Colin Gordon as the Lords of London 826 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,880 representative. Yep. 827 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,720 And he's just, he's one of those actors who was just in 828 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,400 everything, another one of those faces that he just like, you 829 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,440 know, the people, all the people were spoken about before, like 830 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,160 Frank Forte and so on. If it's a British film of a 831 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,440 certain era, Colin Gordon is going to be in it. 832 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,040 And the first time I would have ever seen Colin Gordon was in 833 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,400 Step 2. And son, when he's playing the 834 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,480 representative of the DHSS and slowly getting plastered. 835 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,920 And we saw him in a very different role of drama 836 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:23,760 involving two bank robbers. Oh, Strongroom. 837 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,800 Darren Nesbitt, yeah. Yes. 838 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,160 Yes, he's playing against well, I always think of Colin Gordon, 839 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,080 he's he, you know he's a sitcom stalwart and he tends to play 840 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,120 minor member, minor members of sort of middle management or 841 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,720 officialdom. Whereas in that he's a, he's a 842 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:49,520 bank manager, sure, but he's he's also, he shows a very sort 843 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,000 of human caring side, doesn't he? 844 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,040 Because, well, I won't ruin it, but yeah, yeah. 845 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,080 And of course we've been watching him recently, very 846 00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,680 recently in the complete and utter history of Britain. 847 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,040 It's really. Nice, actually, that he is in 848 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,560 the publicity material I've seen, yeah, on the show, which 849 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,760 was recovered and restored by the wonderful people with ITV 850 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,120 and for the public. Are you contractually? 851 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:21,120 Obliged to say I am not but. No, they do a fabulous job and 852 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:30,320 I'm so pleased to see the show return and and be celebrated as 853 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,120 a result. Yeah. 854 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,680 And when the initial publicity, Mazito came out for it and you 855 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:41,400 can see it on on on the streaming service, he is, he's 856 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,160 right there. He's front and center along with 857 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:49,920 Palin and Jones and he's up. He's ideal in that role. 858 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,320 He is. He's perfect as the the guy 859 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,280 holding it all together. Yeah. 860 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,560 He, of course, was #2 in The Prisoner famously, yes. 861 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,760 And I thought it was very clever last night. 862 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,480 Gary, when we're talking about this, I said, do you know, do 863 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,600 you know, Gary? There's two number twos in the 864 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,360 Pink Panther, and you spent the longest time. 865 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,320 I'm thinking OK, I don't remember seeing Leo McCann was 866 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,240 Patrick. Patrick Cargo wasn't in it. 867 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,760 Watched that. No. 868 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,920 I definitely didn't see down. There's but no. 869 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,760 No way. So no. 870 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,240 And you you you had me flummoxed. 871 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,040 Oh, yeah. So I. 872 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,120 Said Well, OK, well, if you if you've seen the Austin Powers 873 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:38,360 films, which thankfully I've only seen once, and not all of 874 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:43,600 them either, you have a character who's like Doctor 875 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:52,360 Evil's henchman, just known as #2, played by Robert Wagner. 876 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,840 Hey, hey, who? He's 93 and still working, I 877 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,400 believe. Well, we've. 878 00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:59,880 Been watching recently, haven't we? 879 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,440 Encoded we have the. Wonderful. 880 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:10,040 What's a 1772 BBC 72 series? Yeah, I mean, he's he's very 881 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,840 much just one of the cast though, isn't he? 882 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,560 He's not, he's not a lead in that necessarily. 883 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:21,080 He's actually got, I think. He's got the the, the headline 884 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,040 credit on most of the the episodes, but he yeah, he's sort 885 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,280 of apart apart from one episode of the scene so far where he is 886 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,080 the focal point. He's he's sort of like appearing 887 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,080 spearingly, yeah. Do we think, Do you think if if 888 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,640 Robert Wagner had been taken out of this film, if his character 889 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,640 wasn't in this film, would it have affected it in any way, Do 890 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:43,800 you think? I don't. 891 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,120 Really think so. I mean we did. 892 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,600 We chatted about this briefly and I was sort of hypothesized 893 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,040 without any evidence to back this up. 894 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,160 But I was thinking perhaps this was to maybe attract American 895 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,920 audiences having good looking young man in the cast. 896 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,720 Yeah, but I don't really think it's Cancer is adding a great 897 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:07,440 deal to the text. I was thinking actually that 898 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,080 because one of the things that I can pick up on it at first, but 899 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,200 as was then seeing the film play out again, you've got obviously 900 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,880 the the long scene with Charles and the and the Princess after 901 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,240 the dinner party. Then you've got him discovering 902 00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:25,160 his nephew is there for the first time. 903 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,040 Then there's a scene with them skiing and it's a scene with 904 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,120 them at the train station. All of this is going on a 905 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,000 folklore is on the screen. Yeah. 906 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,320 And I can't really think of anything that's absolutely 907 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,840 pivotal to the plot that needs his nephew there. 908 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,880 OK, Aside from one, obviously, the two guerrillas. 909 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:48,760 Yeah. But. 910 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,120 They could have had. We've seen in one of those 911 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,720 guerrillas, yes, indeed. I don't think, yeah, I don't 912 00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:57,120 think that he was essential to. Do you know what It's just it's 913 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,840 kind of time absurd. He's the kind of character who 914 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:07,280 would have been if this was a film based on a novel. 915 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,480 He's the kind of character that would have been the novel. 916 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,120 And then by the time it's. Got to the big. 917 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,960 Screen His character has been dropped. 918 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,160 Absolutely. Because yeah, there's. 919 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,680 Just there's just not enough time. 920 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,040 And as it is, I think the film itself is a little bit longer 921 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,560 than it needs to be it. Is it? 922 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,440 Is it is all that you've got? All of these scenic views, all 923 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,560 this location work and so on, and you've got long, long 924 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,240 stretches. The filmed are just taking 925 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,280 place. Includes his bedroom, yeah. 926 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,880 And suddenly. Because what one of the one of 927 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,560 the reviewers of the time actually described as a Rick's 928 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:48,160 like, farce, And I mean it's not, it's not inconceivable 929 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,640 actually that you could have done this on the stage because 930 00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,880 I'm all right in thinking that a shot in the dark, I think 931 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,560 originally was. Yeah, it was. 932 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,680 There was a French play not called Shot in the Dark called 933 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,920 something else and the Clueso was nothing to do with it And 934 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,520 because of the success of because they realized very early 935 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,280 on that I mean in this film Sellers went into it as a 936 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,160 supporting actor and emerged as the star really and and the the 937 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,440 standout. And so they realized very early 938 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,920 on that they needed to make to capitalize on this and make 939 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,840 another film. And so I think Blake Edwards had 940 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,720 the had the rights to this play and he just repurposed it to be 941 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:35,160 a Clueso vehicle, essentially. Clue so in the pink. 942 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,840 Panther. He's almost fully formed in 943 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,720 terms of how we come to know him, isn't he? 944 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:46,840 In terms of the look, but the the accent isn't quite there. 945 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,280 It's it's it's more of a straightforward French accent 946 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,640 that he uses and it's halfway through the filming of Shot the 947 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,480 dot, which by the way is my favorite of the of these films. 948 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,280 In fact, it's my favorite Sellers film of all time. 949 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,280 OK. Halfway through, Sellers decided 950 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:07,600 to alter the voice. And so that's why in Shot the 951 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,000 dark, sometimes in parts, you know, he's got a fairly 952 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,800 straightforward, conventional French accent. 953 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,680 And then there's other scenes where he refers to, for example, 954 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:22,760 a myth, you know? But yeah, going back to that 955 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,440 saying Clouseau being almost fully formed, yeah, he springs 956 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:31,160 onto the screen almost as we would come to know him in later 957 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,840 films. And it reminded me a little bit 958 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:39,000 of Colombo, because Colombo is first with Peter Falk. 959 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,000 It is first seen in the 1968 TV movie called Prescription 960 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:50,720 Murder. And although he's slightly 961 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,120 smarter and he doesn't, I don't think he's got the the, the 962 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,720 Chevy Mac at that point. And his hair is a bit shorter 963 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,600 and a bit neater, but he's more or less, and he's maybe 964 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,640 slightly, maybe a little bit more gruff, but more. 965 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,400 Or less. He's the Colombo that, you know, 966 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,320 we come to know and love in the 70s and to a slightly lesser 967 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,920 degree in the 90s. So it's quite amazing that there 968 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,640 wasn't, you know, that that that that there wasn't a huge amount 969 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,760 of OK, so I suppose clue. So in the later films becomes 970 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,360 more cartoonish, doesn't he? Let's face it, yeah, I suppose 971 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,880 like a couple of things. Actually that struck me about 972 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,200 the sadly portrayal of Clueso. I think that the I thought that 973 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:44,160 the scene where you had Clueso and Colin Gordon as the as 974 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,320 Tucker. Kind of. 975 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,440 Tucker, Tucker. Clueso. 976 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,360 And Tucker visit the Princess ahead of the big party. 977 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,400 And that little scene with the three of them that strikes me as 978 01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,720 probably the most clueso, as in later clueso, yes. 979 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,040 Of. The whole film, yes, because 980 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:08,120 we've finally gotten away from his wife for two minutes, and 981 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,680 here he is with a sensible sidekick as well. 982 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,280 And that struck me as something that just would not at all have 983 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,080 been out of place in any of the later films, Your Highness. 984 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,720 Please excuse his interruption. I have news of great importance. 985 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,880 This is Mr. Tucker of Lloyd's of London. 986 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,880 And we have met before. I've met her to you now. 987 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,680 Yes, I know. But we are meeting her again 988 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,600 now. What is this news, Your 989 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,600 Highness, I have discovered the identity of the Phantom. 990 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,280 You don't say. I do say because you're not 991 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,560 positive. I am positive. 992 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,760 He is, I believe, at this very moment here in Rome. 993 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,040 Really. Yes. 994 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,120 Have you seen or heard from Sir Charles Litton? 995 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,320 Not since I left Cortina. Why? 996 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,920 Sir Charles and the Phantom are one and the same. 997 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,320 You're not serious. I am serious. 998 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,120 I can understand how difficult it is for Your Highness to 999 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,640 accept the facts. Sir Charles is a very persuasive 1000 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,720 and attractive man. He is also Sir Charles. 1001 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,040 Listen. A man of considerable influence 1002 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,160 and reputation. She's got quite a point there, 1003 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,000 You know. He is a fraud. 1004 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,840 And I shall prove it, you know. That he's going to trip over 1005 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,600 that step, but he keeps it going for so long. 1006 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,920 Eventually you started out yourself and you think, well, 1007 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,920 maybe he isn't actually. Of course he does. 1008 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,480 Yeah. But also he's not going to face 1009 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,520 first. It's just a subtle it's just 1010 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,560 it's very, you know, carefully done. 1011 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,000 Something that struck me and I hadn't really picked up this 1012 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,560 before. His first scene gets a laugh as 1013 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,200 very first scene is that scene from saying we must find that 1014 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,320 woman on the globe. Yeah, yes, and. 1015 01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,280 That's, I mean that that's such a good way of just getting the 1016 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,760 character over with the audience immediately, very first time 1017 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,920 have appeared on the screen. You've got a huge belly, laugh 1018 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,760 the audience. Knows from the outset that this 1019 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:04,440 is this is who we're dealing with in this clue, so is quite 1020 01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,000 gracefully clumsy. I I couldn't think of a better 1021 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,800 way of putting it. And he noticed he walks almost 1022 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:16,760 like a pigeon when he's when he's in and out of bed, you 1023 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,800 know, walking Hasting into the bathroom for the sleeping pills 1024 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,520 or whatever he's got. Oh, he's got a very distinctive 1025 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,200 little sort of waddle almost. It's it's, it's it's lovely. 1026 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:36,200 I just, I just want to mention an actor here called Michael 1027 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,960 Trumpshaw. You know about Michael. 1028 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,320 Trumpshaw. He's he's somebody. 1029 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:42,600 He's quite recognizable, isn't he? 1030 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,600 He's got the. The very large moustache, yes. 1031 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,200 And he plays a minor character in this he's he's one of because 1032 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:55,560 you, you have Brenda Debanzi as Angela Danning, the Brenda 1033 01:03:55,560 --> 01:04:01,560 Debanzi we've seen in films like you and I have watched Hobson's 1034 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,960 choice. She's been the man in you too 1035 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,680 much with Bernard Miles as a husband. 1036 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,560 One of those faces that you would see in a lot of British 1037 01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,320 films around this time. And she plays this, this 1038 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:20,280 socialite who's always throwing these extravagant parties. 1039 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:27,400 And among her sort of what would you call it, her entourage you 1040 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,120 like is this character called Felix Towns. 1041 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,720 And he doesn't really have anything to do with the film. 1042 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,320 But what I thought was interesting, what I picked up 1043 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:41,200 on, because I wasn't really aware of the character of the 1044 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,000 actor, but I noticed his name of the credits, Michael Trumpshaw. 1045 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,160 And I thought, I wonder if it is. 1046 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,960 I wonder if that's the same guy. And I looked it up and yes, it 1047 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:55,960 was because Trumpshaw had been very, very close friends with 1048 01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:02,200 David Niven in real life. He'd served with him at Malta 1049 01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,960 and and Dover. In their early days he'd been 1050 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,560 he'd been David Niven's best man twice. 1051 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:14,200 And Niven constantly refers to Trubshaw in The Moon's A 1052 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,360 Balloon. And I just want to read you this 1053 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,560 because Niven describes first encountering Michael Trubshaw 1054 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,680 while they were both stationed in Malta. 1055 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,600 I guess it must have been in the, I'm not sure, late 20s, 1056 01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,520 early 30s maybe. And he writes, he says suddenly 1057 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,880 an air splitting belch. Rent the air. 1058 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,560 This is Niven, yeah. I spun around and perceived a 1059 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,400 truly amazing sight. Trump's raw was approaching 6 1060 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,360 foot six with legs that seemed to start at the navel encased in 1061 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,960 drain pipe tight white flannels. He sported a blue blazer with so 1062 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,880 many brass buttons on it that he's shown like a gypsy caravan 1063 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,240 on Derby day. On his. 1064 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,040 On his head, a Panama hat with MCC ribbon. 1065 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,320 Of course, on his face the biggest pistache had ever seen. 1066 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,560 A really huge growth which one could see from the back on a 1067 01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:12,600 clear day. Part of it was trained to branch 1068 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,560 off and join the hair above. As it is. 1069 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:19,440 It was in fact not so much a moustache as an almost total 1070 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,560 pursuit. Immersion, OK? 1071 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,840 Now. So as I say the two of them had 1072 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,360 been very good friends and and I knew this fact that because it 1073 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,360 it it, it occurs in a matter of life and death. 1074 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:39,360 For example David Nevin always tried to include his friend's 1075 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:46,800 name in every film he made. OK, so in the matter of life and 1076 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:51,600 death, Robert Coote's character is named Bob Trubshaw flying off 1077 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:52,240 the. Trubshaw. 1078 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,000 Oh, I'm so sorry. You can't wait here any longer. 1079 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,920 You must be mistaken about your captain. 1080 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:58,720 Well, if anyone's mistaken, it's not me. 1081 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,040 Mistakes don't happen here. But this is the aircrew section, 1082 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,560 isn't it? You should know. 1083 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:05,640 Peter couldn't have got away with it. 1084 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,080 Besides, you checked his invoice for me, didn't you? 1085 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,680 Yes, it was against the regulations. 1086 01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,560 Regulations are made to be broken. 1087 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,200 He was due here half now after me. 1088 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,000 This is his section and he hasn't reported. 1089 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,200 So he's either a WOL or there's been a mistake. 1090 01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,800 There hasn't been a mistake here for 1000 years. 1091 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,640 Oh, so there have been mistakes. A girl that was here before me, 1092 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,840 she was here 640 years. Holy smoke, she said. 1093 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,440 When the records don't balance, all the alarm bells start 1094 01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,160 ringing in the records office. I bet they do. 1095 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,640 Proper flap, eh? Yes, during the. 1096 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:47,520 Filming of Wuthering Heights. David Niven was in that and he 1097 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:54,080 tried to convince the director William Wyler he, he tried to 1098 01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,880 let him drop the name of Trumpshaw into a line of 1099 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,880 dialogue Wuthering Heights and and William Wyler refused. 1100 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:06,120 So never got around it by having a prop man add Trumpshaw's name 1101 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,800 to a tombstone that we see in the graveyard. 1102 01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,240 OK, so he was, he was, you know, he was his his way of sort of 1103 01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,040 honoring his friend by including Trumpshaw's name in as many 1104 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:21,160 films as he could. And then and then I mean up to 1105 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,640 this point Trumpshaw wasn't an actor. 1106 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,240 He'd been running a pub and then he kind of just got into acting 1107 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:31,640 and fell into acting and he was in films like, not huge roles 1108 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,000 but Hard Days Night, The Sandwich Man with Michael 1109 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,240 Benteen, of course. Magic Christian Sellers 1110 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,560 Bedazzled guns and Never own, which Nevin also was in. 1111 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,200 He was. He was in a film called 1112 01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:55,120 Operation Snatch, which sounds like sounds like something you'd 1113 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,319 watch. Yeah, I was. 1114 01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,439 Going to say it, if you hadn't said it, I was going to say it. 1115 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,279 It's probably on, probably on Amazon Prime. 1116 01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,800 But but apparently him and Niven's relationship called and 1117 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:10,120 and Trumpshaw insinuated in an interview that Niven sort of 1118 01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,479 resented the fact that he'd followed him into acting. 1119 01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:15,800 That makes sense. So anyway. 1120 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,960 Anyway, a big diversion there, but I just wanted to mention it 1121 01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,439 because I was very interested in the Niven Trumpshaw 1122 01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:27,520 relationship. Quick deviation. 1123 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:32,800 Yeah, I do like going for newspaper archives. 1124 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,439 That's a big hobby of mine. Yeah. 1125 01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:39,279 And so many of them online these days because, you know, there's 1126 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,439 just over the last few years putting explosion in the number 1127 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,040 of digitized newspaper archives that you can browse for. 1128 01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,200 Previously, you had to actually go to the library, you know, the 1129 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,880 microfilm and what have you. So I was interested to know what 1130 01:09:52,880 --> 01:10:00,280 the earliest usage of the phrase the Pink Panther was, and I 1131 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:04,080 ended up doing a couple of little alleyways. 1132 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,840 Well, one of them actually was was relatively recent, the fact 1133 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:13,680 that there is apparently a new leopard subspecies in South 1134 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,280 Africa which was photographed at. 1135 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,200 I think it's pronounced the Madiqui Game Reserve in April 1136 01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:24,840 2012, and it's been given this name, the Pink Panther, and it's 1137 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,400 described as a pink hued male leopard. 1138 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,920 And it's not particularly pink when you see a photograph of it, 1139 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,680 but so there we are. So there is actually a creature 1140 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,520 out there called the Pink Panther, for one thing. 1141 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:43,440 The earliest entry that actually found for just the phrase itself 1142 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:50,760 was 19 O 7, and usually in the early part of the 20th century 1143 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,160 it was being used in a whimsical manner in the same way you would 1144 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,360 say, you know, you know, you've seen, like, you know, pigs will 1145 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,560 fly, that kind of thing. And you just see used in poems 1146 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:08,400 and cartoons and so on. And then I saw an advert in a 1147 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,400 newspaper from New York, the Dunkirk Evening Observer, from 1148 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:19,360 July 1936, that was advertising a nightclub, which was called 1149 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,240 Johnny Hamernik's. And from the description that 1150 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,600 sounds like the kind of place that Stan Nolley would have 1151 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:31,320 found themselves in in Blotto, for example, And they mention 1152 01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,360 the Friday special at the bar is the Pink Panther. 1153 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,960 Now this then led me to research, OK, what actually is a 1154 01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,600 Pink Panther? And apparently this is according 1155 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,240 to a website, allrecipes.com. Pink Panther is a nice drink to 1156 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:54,360 have around the pool on hot summer days, and it can solve 1157 01:11:54,560 --> 01:12:01,800 crushed dice, One fluid ounce of Amaretto liquor, one fluid ounce 1158 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:06,520 of vodka, 8 fluid ounces of pineapple juice, a teaspoon of 1159 01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:13,200 grenadine syrup, freshly sliced pineapple, and one maraschino 1160 01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:17,160 cherry, and actually gives you directions as to how to assemble 1161 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,240 this in the glass. So not. 1162 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,080 Not as nice as an Esther Ranson. Well, and that. 1163 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,480 You know what, when I was reading this earlier on straight 1164 01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:28,640 away I was just all my head was pair, no, ozo, marmalade and 1165 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,800 salt. And I'm thinking which one is 1166 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,280 going to be better? So at some point we'll have to 1167 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,000 do a taste test and see which one it wins. 1168 01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,800 And then this is the one that really struck me. 1169 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:46,400 And I thought, wow. In the Detroit Free Press, 1170 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:52,480 December 1946, there is a columnist who's talking about 1171 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:59,440 having phoned in an old jacket. He's found a business card for a 1172 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,400 chap called Little Joe. It says call Little Joe for 1173 01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,880 prompt service. Little Joe apparently was a 1174 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,440 bootlegger and this business card was from the days of 1175 01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:16,640 Prohibition and it was basically all sort of liquor delivery 1176 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,600 service. You just ring this number and 1177 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,480 then somebody will come to deliver your requested item. 1178 01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,960 And he had a little price list on the card of all the bits and 1179 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,240 pieces that you could you could get. 1180 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:35,040 But the thing that really astonished me was there was this 1181 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,440 phrase pink pan for being used in a completely different 1182 01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:41,160 context. The article said. 1183 01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:46,760 The patrons of Little Joe would study the list, hoping to select 1184 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,160 some portion Little Joe had whipped up in his bathtub that 1185 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,960 wouldn't bring on Pink Panthers. And here it was being used in 1186 01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,640 the way that we would now say Pink Elephant. 1187 01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:58,000 Right. Yeah. 1188 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,400 And I've never. I've never heard this before and 1189 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,720 yeah, that was that was quite a standing. 1190 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:09,800 So I'd be interested to know what, if any of those was the 1191 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:15,480 that the the trigger for actually titling the diamond on 1192 01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:17,840 the film The Pink Panther. But it would be fascinating to 1193 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,920 know, yeah, either of the the writers had ever encountered 1194 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:27,400 those. Before, quite possibly just on 1195 01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,520 the Pink Panther, The Pink Panther theme. 1196 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,720 The music, of course is, I'm going to say it, iconic. 1197 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,160 I hate to say iconic, but what are the word is there? 1198 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,840 I mean, I'm sick of it. I've heard it so many times. 1199 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,720 You know, I used to love the pink pattern theme, but it's 1200 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,600 become dulled by repetition I suppose. 1201 01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,480 But the music in this film is is generally lovely. 1202 01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:56,640 And particularly we've got halfway through the film, this 1203 01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:01,920 scene set around a fireplace in a ski lodge and you've got the 1204 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:06,960 actress Fran Jeffries breaking the 4th wall and singing, yes, 1205 01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:13,480 singing a song, Meg, Leo, SAS Das Sarah or something like 1206 01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:14,240 that. Not quite sure. 1207 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,360 And wouldn't Gary, I mean, obviously, you know, I preferred 1208 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,600 touched on this right at the outset top of the show, but 1209 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,800 wouldn't you love to be in that locale? 1210 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,320 Yes. I I really, I really like that. 1211 01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,880 I mean, I know that some people might Sort of look at that. 1212 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,000 I think all that doesn't need to be there that's slowing the plot 1213 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,360 down, whatever. I really like that little 1214 01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:38,640 intermission and the fact that it's not just because obviously 1215 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,240 a lot of different films, some of the later Lone Hardy films 1216 01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,320 for example, quite often have musical numbers in them that 1217 01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:50,840 don't really serve any purpose in terms of the plot per SE. 1218 01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:57,600 But this initially it's it starts off where you think OK, 1219 01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,080 not musical interlude, and then as a camera pants over see 1220 01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:05,680 Clueso in animated conversation with Tucker. 1221 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,240 And only only Clueso was animated. 1222 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,240 Tucker was quite impassive. But yeah, whatever it is that 1223 01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,520 Clueso was saying he's. Pissed off about something, 1224 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:14,320 isn't he? Yeah, he's. 1225 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,360 Really he's he's trying to sort of expound his theory about 1226 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,360 something and then just finds himself being wrapped up all of 1227 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,320 a sudden in this huge conga like. 1228 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,120 At the best bit of that, right at the end when the music ends, 1229 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,920 Sellers decides just to inject this little bit of this like a 1230 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,560 little instinctive shoulder twitch thing, doesn't he? 1231 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:41,960 Right at the at the closure of the song and he looks absolutely 1232 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,880 delighted. He's beaming, isn't he? 1233 01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:46,080 Which is thought. That was lovely. 1234 01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,160 OK. We haven't really. 1235 01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:53,600 I think the third act is the best. 1236 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,120 I actually think that we got the fancy dress bowl which 1237 01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,280 culminates in the the car chase and then the trial. 1238 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,360 And I do think that this is the best part of the film, strongest 1239 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,800 part. The police dressed 2 policemen 1240 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,920 dressed as a zebra. I'll have your stripes. 1241 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,320 Anything suspicious? No, no, no. 1242 01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,120 Nothing to worry about. My men are ever mingling here, 1243 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,160 mingling there, watching all the time, watching. 1244 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:29,160 Dare you drink? What's? 1245 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,520 On duty who is inside there? Sergeant Wilder, Sergeant. 1246 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,320 And you will be heavy like this and I'll have your stripes and 1247 01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,440 get out of here and stop mingling again. 1248 01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,080 That's funny that. Zebra and the stripes, they're 1249 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,120 good. Yeah, they're good. 1250 01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,760 Well, I think I'll handle even the the. 1251 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:57,640 The two men in gorilla suits doing a duck suit routine was 1252 01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,440 very well done, and I'm not sure that's Robert Wagner in that 1253 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,280 gorilla suit. I don't think he's got the 1254 01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:06,760 comedy timing. No, I I, I Presumably it 1255 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:07,960 wouldn't have been either. No. 1256 01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,280 It might be N never. No. 1257 01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,400 And it's a bit of a weird, you know, the British ambassador who 1258 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,200 was also wearing a gorilla suit or no, he was wearing a gorilla 1259 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:21,600 suit originally and then David Nevin knocked him out, I think. 1260 01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,960 And. Right, OK now I've actually I 1261 01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,360 did make a note of this because I thought this was 11 area where 1262 01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:32,480 Sir Charles as his nephew discovers when he finds his case 1263 01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:35,480 and then finds the false bottom in it and he's got like all of 1264 01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:38,440 his tools and so on. He's very precise about his work 1265 01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:43,200 but he's attending what he knows is a fancy dress do and he 1266 01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,280 attends it as a thief with the whole like, you know he's got 1267 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,760 like the eye mask on and what have you. 1268 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,240 And I'm thinking about any other costume would have probably, you 1269 01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:57,080 know, been been a better disguise. 1270 01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,920 That's like a big bag with swag on it as well. 1271 01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:03,400 That's like one of. Those, you know, those Nazis 1272 01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,640 that bug it off to Argentina after the war. 1273 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,480 That's like them turning up to a change, a dress party in 1971 1274 01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:16,160 dressed as Hitler. You know, they're obviously 1275 01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,240 thinking nobody's going to suspect me. 1276 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,240 I think so, Ted. Where's the last place you'd 1277 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:31,560 think I'd put them? I was just also, I know why they 1278 01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,400 did it, but you've got two men in gorilla suits trying to open 1279 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,080 a safe, yes? Why do they just? 1280 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,040 Take the heads off. Why do they? 1281 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,680 Why do they have the heads on? I don't know why, because it's 1282 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,000 not Robert Wagner and probably not David Niven in there doing 1283 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,720 that comedy business. But still, maybe. 1284 01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,600 Maybe. Maybe they they both suspect 1285 01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,360 that the other gorilla is undercover clues. 1286 01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,360 Oh. And they don't want to reveal. 1287 01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,640 Themselves or a real gorilla? Oh, could be it could. 1288 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:05,040 Be Yeah, yeah. I love the the car chase with 1289 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,880 the old man in the square. No. 1290 01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:08,680 OK, I've. Got. 1291 01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,200 I've got a silly theory about this which I cannot prove, but 1292 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,080 if anybody can prove this, I think it would be yourself. 1293 01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,360 OK? Because you remember the tale 1294 01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,760 about when Strangelove came out, Yeah? 1295 01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:26,920 And the intended ending? Yeah, Strangelove. 1296 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,920 Yeah, and how? Sellers then sort of in 1297 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:34,080 desperation, phoned Milligan and said, what do I do? 1298 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,680 How do we end this film? And was Milligan suggested Fiona 1299 01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,360 Lennon. We'll meet again. 1300 01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:42,560 Yes. This whole scene with the car 1301 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,960 chase, it really strikes me as this is pure Spike Mulligan. 1302 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,520 And I do wonder, OK, I know that it must have obviously have been 1303 01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:55,080 in the the text initially, but there's just something about 1304 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,360 this where I can, I can sense that Mulligan's has played some 1305 01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,920 sort of small part in suggesting little details. 1306 01:21:01,480 --> 01:21:04,600 It might not even be like the the the entire scene, but things 1307 01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:10,440 like, for example, the the conversation between Clouseau 1308 01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:14,960 and Tucker with the guy standing between them and then Zebra 1309 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,160 running down the road, It just say feels so. 1310 01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:23,960 Yeah, absolutely. And also, I mean it's it's 1311 01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,240 great. Obviously it would have been 1312 01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:30,080 expensive to film an actual car crash, but again the car crash 1313 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,920 happens off camera and we just see the the result of it. 1314 01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,000 And the old man has just taken it all in the stride, isn't he? 1315 01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,480 You know he's not. It's just another evening for 1316 01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:45,880 him. The the, the ending. 1317 01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,640 We've talked about this in the previous podcast, not connected 1318 01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,800 to Goon Pop, but where, you know in there was a time in films 1319 01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,960 where the the villains could not profit at the end. 1320 01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,240 Yes. And they're kind of doing. 1321 01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:58,800 This. Don't they? 1322 01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:00,960 OK, now I. Did wonder about this? 1323 01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:05,000 Because I was thinking, OK, is this actually breaking the the 1324 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,280 rule? I mean, the the things that were 1325 01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,920 popping into my head were like the last scene. 1326 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,480 I know this is a terrible spoiler. 1327 01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:14,800 If you've never seen OK, you've never seen The League of 1328 01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,480 Gentlemen. I mean, brilliant films in 1329 01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:18,960 Richard Attenborough. You've never seen that. 1330 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,480 Please just skip with your permission, Tyler, because it's 1331 01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:23,640 your cast. I'm going to suggest people to 1332 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,080 skip forward maybe 10 seconds or so. 1333 01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,240 Yeah, No. OK, right. 1334 01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:30,640 The last scene in The League of Gentlemen is just underlining. 1335 01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,360 Crime does not pay. Yes, right, That that. 1336 01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:34,600 That's why it's there. Yeah. 1337 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:42,200 And then I got to thinking, technically, if you want to be 1338 01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:47,400 really precise about it, suppose Charles and Simone and his 1339 01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:51,680 nephew and so on, They haven't. In this specific instance, apart 1340 01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:56,080 from kidnapping the dog. He hasn't actually committed a 1341 01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,240 crime, has he? No. 1342 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,200 Because he was, obviously. Intended to but I mean that that 1343 01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,280 in itself and the intention to steal the diamond should have 1344 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,120 been enough to to get him in you know in chains. 1345 01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,400 But nonetheless you could sort of say he's not like he's he's 1346 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,720 then legging it with the the diamond. 1347 01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,960 And also the Princess of course for her own reasons is also in 1348 01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:25,360 her own way guilty as well. So yeah, yeah, it it it it it's, 1349 01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,360 it's sad the the conclusion and it would have, it would have 1350 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,320 actually been if if things had worked out differently and this 1351 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,040 had been the first in a series of films about Sir Charles 1352 01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,760 starring David Niven, then it would have been quite a tragic 1353 01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:44,440 ending for Clueso, even with the little point in there. 1354 01:23:44,440 --> 01:23:46,400 But all the realized in a few months and they'll get out. 1355 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,600 Yeah, but but then. But then. 1356 01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,800 He's But Clueso is a national hero. 1357 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,720 He's got women throwing themselves at him as he's being 1358 01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:02,520 LED into the police car. Yeah, he's kind of, he's for the 1359 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,960 first time. He's a winner almost, yes. 1360 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,560 And he can't quite get his head around that. 1361 01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,200 So could could this have? Actually, St. clues on a 1362 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,800 completely different direction. When he got out eventually, 1363 01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,960 could he have fought himself? Maybe I've been wrong on this 1364 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:23,560 whole, you know, police slash felon maybe ever been the wrong 1365 01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,800 side of this all this time. Maybe I should try and become 1366 01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:31,920 the next Charles. I don't necessarily think that 1367 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:37,880 that he would have had it in him as a professional jewel fief 1368 01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,240 safecracker. Whatever it is. 1369 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,200 I think that he probably because he's not the most practical of 1370 01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:44,480 people. Well, no he. 1371 01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:47,880 Would he Would have been the one who would have employed John 1372 01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,280 Bluthor to be looking up. Yeah. 1373 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,720 Although, yeah, although, hang on, John Bluth's character 1374 01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,120 wasn't actually blind, was he? No, he wasn't. 1375 01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:04,960 No, no, indeed, a couple of little lines that that stood 1376 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,320 out. One was, I just love that little 1377 01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:11,560 scene where he's like he's racing off to Castro Charles and 1378 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,760 he's got the gun in his hand. These shows I've really gotten 1379 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:20,440 this time again that that's that's that's just a lovely 1380 01:25:20,440 --> 01:25:24,800 little floodish where he's suddenly, you know he's alive. 1381 01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,040 He's just like, ah, right, this is my life's work. 1382 01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:31,600 I'm actually going to get my last that recording lane. 1383 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,840 He's got to use about three or four times as hell in here. 1384 01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:36,400 Oh yeah, we. Know where that's from? 1385 01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,400 No, I'll get no, because you know, of course, I'm not a good 1386 01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,080 show aficionado. So is this. 1387 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:43,840 This is a good reference. It must be Helen. 1388 01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,360 There or variations of that line he uses in this in this film. 1389 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,040 And that's a blood knock line from the from the right. 1390 01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,000 Hello. My darling. 1391 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:57,240 Hello, my darling. Why did you draw the cousin just 1392 01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,200 to keep me? Warm. 1393 01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,840 Warm is one thing. There must be hell in there. 1394 01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,040 No, it's wonderful. And the what the? 1395 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,040 World was, well, this. There's almost certainly no 1396 01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:11,240 connection at all with this. But what I heard, I couldn't 1397 01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:17,600 help but thinking, is this possibly a nod to this when he's 1398 01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:21,480 at the party and in the chaos when the lights are out? 1399 01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,200 The woman with a snake. She says to take your filthy 1400 01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,280 hands off my ASP. That got me. 1401 01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,680 Thinking about the piece of cook routine, which also Kenneth 1402 01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:34,080 Williams did as well. Yes, You know, yeah, yeah, I've 1403 01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:38,080 got an Aspen here and I don't know is it is that it's just 1404 01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,520 this is just nonsense? Is that just something pops into 1405 01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:44,480 my head at random or is that something that the sellers 1406 01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:45,520 heard? I mean, I'm probably going to 1407 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:46,760 find out now. Probably somebody's going to 1408 01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:51,440 point out that that sketch actually came after the pink it. 1409 01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:54,680 It just, it struck me as as maybe that was just a little nod 1410 01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,600 because yeah, well, OK. Let me ask you this, I said. 1411 01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,920 The villains kind of win, but it's it's a kind of a Gray area. 1412 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,480 Who were we rooting for in this film? 1413 01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:07,920 Is it who we meant to be rooting for? 1414 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:09,400 Is it? Is it the thief and the 1415 01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,880 philanderer? Charles Layton? 1416 01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:17,920 Is it the adulterous Simone Clouseau? 1417 01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,600 Is it? Is it the fraudulent, womanizing 1418 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:26,560 George Lytton? Is it the the entitled Princess 1419 01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,040 who, by the way, wants to stop the diamond, the Pink Panther 1420 01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,480 diamond, being returned, rightfully returned to her 1421 01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:39,840 people in lugash? Are we meant to root for any of 1422 01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,040 those characters? Or are we meant to root for 1423 01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:43,840 Clue? So I I'm not quite sure. 1424 01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,400 It's it's a It's a tricky 1 because I mean I think certainly 1425 01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:53,520 CLUES was the only one who comes out of this with any integrity 1426 01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,200 of all those. Characters. 1427 01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:02,600 And yet you're probably sort of thinking, in a way, is Sir 1428 01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,480 Charles going to pull it off? Was he actually going to, you 1429 01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:11,840 know, get a ski lift with the The diamond intact and go on to 1430 01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:17,480 his next escapade? So yeah, it's a tricky one. 1431 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,680 I mean, I'm a big fan of, like, heist films and so on. 1432 01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:26,040 And there were you. You remember that a few years 1433 01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:30,040 ago, There were at least three that I know of, possibly more 1434 01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:32,960 dramatization to the Hatton Garden heist. 1435 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:38,240 Oh, yeah. And one of the one I really like 1436 01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,840 was the television dramatization with Kenneth Kranum. 1437 01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,040 But there's also another one with Michael Caine as well. 1438 01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:45,600 Yeah, yeah. And. 1439 01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:49,040 I saw a review of that one, which was suggesting that they 1440 01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:53,520 didn't focus enough on the victims in that case, because it 1441 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,240 was all just about the hijinks of this, you know, group of, you 1442 01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:02,960 know, would be villains. And I don't know, maybe it's 1443 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:07,560 just me, but when you get caught up in that kind of plot, you you 1444 01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:11,240 saw thinking to yourself, you know, can they do it? 1445 01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:12,760 Can they actually, can they pull it off? 1446 01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:14,600 I don't. I don't think that most people 1447 01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,960 are looking at that kind of film and thinking, got a hope that 1448 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,120 police hurry up and turn up, You know, true. 1449 01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,880 No, you do. You do want them to succeed, 1450 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:23,720 don't you? Yeah. 1451 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,560 Yeah. So yeah, it's a tricky one. 1452 01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:32,720 And yeah, the I suppose the point I'm trying. 1453 01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,840 To make is that I say who we rooting for clues. 1454 01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,800 So is the standout character the others? 1455 01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,200 With the possible exception of Simone, Clouseau or Capucine, 1456 01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:48,600 the others are fairly vanilla. Aren't they really? 1457 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,640 David Nivens? No great shakes. 1458 01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,160 His character is just fairly bland. 1459 01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:59,720 Robert Wagner's just annoying. And to a degree, so is the 1460 01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,240 Princess. I would. 1461 01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:02,280 I would. Have been interested. 1462 01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:06,440 I mean OK the the the film is as was I'm saying before it felt a 1463 01:30:06,440 --> 01:30:08,160 little bit too long. So I don't think there would 1464 01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,280 have been any additional space for this. 1465 01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:14,160 But I would have been interested actually in some sort of spin 1466 01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:18,640 off that actually told Sir Charles tale about how he he got 1467 01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,920 into this at first because he from what we understand he has 1468 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:26,040 got this respectable veneer and it's that's that's a common 1469 01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:31,520 enough text and common enough plot and many texts about the 1470 01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,960 the respectable businessman you know who this person is. 1471 01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:35,800 You know you know who you're talking about you can't just go 1472 01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:37,600 pointing the finger at them you know. 1473 01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:42,520 And so yeah I'm interested to know did he become was he always 1474 01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:46,520 a straight businessman who then gone to trouble and then started 1475 01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,600 the sideline or was it the old way around. 1476 01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:54,840 He always needs a sort of a respectable occupation to be 1477 01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:56,600 able to because he can't introduce himself. 1478 01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,840 As you know I'm safe cracker. And the reason I'm here is 1479 01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,640 because I've got an eye on what you've got in your sick 1480 01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:05,040 upstairs. He's clearly he's. 1481 01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,320 Clearly got a lot of money because he's got you look at the 1482 01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,720 drinks cabinet that he had in his hotel room, which was the 1483 01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:13,360 size of a studio flat in London, I mean. 1484 01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:17,360 This was the 60s after all, and everybody on on an end film and 1485 01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,520 on television in the 60s and 70s drank to excess and had 1486 01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,440 ridiculously large bars. I mean, Christ, Teddy Medford 1487 01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:26,800 even had a whole bloody cocktail cabinet. 1488 01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,640 He kind of been on Charles money, surely? 1489 01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,400 I think, Sir. Charles doesn't need the money 1490 01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:32,960 at all. I think he's just in it for the 1491 01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:36,160 thrill of it. I think that's all it is, a 1492 01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:38,640 couple of last. Little tangents for myself, 1493 01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,640 sure. One thing that was a little bit 1494 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,440 surprised about because I didn't think that this was going to tie 1495 01:31:44,440 --> 01:31:48,520 into the the timeline, but when I was looking on the newspaper 1496 01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,520 articles about the Pink Panther getting it's released, I think 1497 01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,920 it was in January 64, it got its British premier release. 1498 01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,800 And quite quickly on the heels of that in February 64, where 1499 01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:04,000 all the stories about Peter Sellers and Brett Eklund, and 1500 01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:08,360 I'm sure you you've touched on that in the cast previously. 1501 01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:15,640 But one thing that was intriguing was the case of Mr. 1502 01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:18,840 Sven Eklund, Brett Eklund's father. 1503 01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:25,440 Oh yes, and the case of when did he see the Pink Panther? 1504 01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,720 Because in the course of all these articles about the fact 1505 01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,080 that, you know, sellers and eckland were going to marry 1506 01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:37,040 within the space of three weeks or so, there were quotations 1507 01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,640 from Brett Eklund's parents. And one of them particular was 1508 01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:45,200 in the Western Delhi Press on the 12th of February 1964 when 1509 01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:53,160 Sven Eklund said I have never seen Peter Sellers in films and 1510 01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:59,760 yet the Daily Herald for the 12th of February 1964 has Mr. 1511 01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:04,120 Sven Eklund quoted as saying. Having seen Peter Sellers in the 1512 01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:07,040 Pink Panther, he seems a very pleasant sort of man. 1513 01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:13,680 Now are we to just from this that Sven got a phone call from 1514 01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:18,600 Western Daily Press and said Peter Sellers No no can't can't 1515 01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,640 can't place them don't forget we've ever seen them Then 1516 01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,040 consults the the newspaper listings spots of the Pink 1517 01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,160 Panther is in. Because I'm sure one of these 1518 01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,800 articles actually said that he lived on a street with a cinema. 1519 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:33,040 So just then goes straight to the goes to the first screening 1520 01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,440 of the Pink Panther, gets back just in time for a phone call 1521 01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:39,800 from the Daily Herald and said, yeah, I'm glad, glad you called 1522 01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,560 because yeah, I've actually just been watching them. 1523 01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:49,320 And yeah, Buffy chap. The other thing I really liked 1524 01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:54,000 was a review in the Liverpool Daily Post. 1525 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,480 I'm not sure if it was exclusive to that publication or it was a 1526 01:33:56,480 --> 01:34:00,440 syndicated column, but sort of you're called John Chettlefield 1527 01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:06,040 and about Clouseau, he wrote. A funny, pathetic character 1528 01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:10,600 emerges as genuine as chaplains, which I really liked. 1529 01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:16,200 Yeah. And for that to be identified 1530 01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:22,240 right off from the first film is I guess that that's that puts 1531 01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:27,360 the full stop on the fact that it was still being billed and 1532 01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:31,640 it's more of obviously still is as David Kniffin and Peter 1533 01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:34,640 Sellers. But there's no question that you 1534 01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:40,280 know just from first viewing alone that Clouseau is the 1535 01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,840 standard character of this. Yeah. 1536 01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,600 And. And I think it's still a pretty 1537 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:49,600 decent film. And Sellers is brilliant in 1538 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,400 every scene that he's in. Yes. 1539 01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:55,920 And yeah, there's some long years, there's some fairly 1540 01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,080 strung out bits that we could do without and we could have 1541 01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,280 certainly done without Robert Wagner, I think. 1542 01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:08,320 But I would, I would, I would suggest that this film is one of 1543 01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:11,920 those films that's probably caused a lot of disappointment 1544 01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,880 over the years to people you know renting it out on video 1545 01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:19,560 things like that thinking that it's the knock about slapstick, 1546 01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:24,280 Clouseau, Pink Panther films that we get in the 70s. 1547 01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,960 I need to find that it's no, it's a it's a fairly 1548 01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:34,160 straightforward international romp with some glitzy locations 1549 01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:39,760 and some beautiful women and you know, big name star in the in 1550 01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:45,200 the official starring role But with the Cluso character in it 1551 01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:51,080 for maybe, I don't know, half the film is he, maybe 2/3 of the 1552 01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:55,360 film we see Clueso something like that and he's certainly not 1553 01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,560 the Clueso. I mean in many ways he is, but 1554 01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,520 he's he's not as, as I said before he's certainly not as 1555 01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:05,880 cartoonish as he is to become. And the film itself is not as 1556 01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:09,360 cut because you look at strikes again for God's sake. 1557 01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:14,320 That whole film is basically it builds into a cartoonish 1558 01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,240 crescendo and it's amazing. That Dreyfus actually returns. 1559 01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:23,400 To the. Police Department as a result of 1560 01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:27,560 you could, you could draw a line between return and revenge. 1561 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,960 I think you can get away with that but it strikes again. 1562 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:32,880 This was some more more difficult to. 1563 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,560 Square. I would, I would say if you if 1564 01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:42,440 you were planning on watching like the whole clues or box set, 1565 01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,520 I wouldn't skip this. I would, I mean certainly set 1566 01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:51,560 your expectations for 1960s. Think of a. 1567 01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:56,160 Lucrade production, you know it like the sedan or the persuaders 1568 01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:58,360 or something like that. It's going to be, you know, 1569 01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:00,720 exotic locations and very colorful and so on. 1570 01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,120 Think of that. But I certainly I wouldn't, I 1571 01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:06,440 wouldn't skip, I wouldn't go straight to the 70s because it 1572 01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:14,800 is really fascinating to see the development of Closer And yes, 1573 01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:20,680 the other thing as well as it is, is or just how fully formed 1574 01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:25,160 Almost Closer was by Shot in the Dark. 1575 01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,000 Because then you've got everybody else around them, 1576 01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:32,320 you've got all the the regular supporting players in that film. 1577 01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:39,760 And OK, the last thing that's popping into my head is how many 1578 01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,040 Pink Panther films actually involve the Pink Panther 1579 01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:44,960 diamond. Two. 1580 01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,680 I don't have an answer to this. I'm going to have to think of 1581 01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:47,160 this. Two. 1582 01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,400 OK, Shot in the Dark doesn't. No return. 1583 01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,360 Does Tries again. Doesn't revenge. 1584 01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,000 Doesn't not including trailer cars. 1585 01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:55,520 So it is. It's two, isn't it? 1586 01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,160 Yes. Yeah, there we go. 1587 01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,440 By the time. OK, return to the Pink Panther 1588 01:38:00,440 --> 01:38:03,320 addresses it. You know, the Pink Panther 1589 01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:07,000 Diamond is of course involved in the plot, but after that, it's 1590 01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,280 just the Pink Panther is just shorthand first clue. 1591 01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:11,640 So it's another clue. So film. 1592 01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:12,760 Here's here's a. Theory. 1593 01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:15,960 OK, I don't think that Christopher Plummer as Charles 1594 01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:17,920 Litton. I don't think he's a real so 1595 01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:21,160 Charles Litton. I think he's another jewel thief 1596 01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:23,480 going by the name So Charles Litton. 1597 01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:25,960 Ah. Trading on his notoriety? 1598 01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,920 Yeah, exactly. Yes, because Charles is all 1599 01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,480 retired or is in jail or whatever, and then he's 1600 01:38:31,480 --> 01:38:36,720 appropriated his image and it's a case of identity theft or he's 1601 01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:38,160 got. He's got the real Sir Charles 1602 01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,720 locked up in a cellar. Possibly so. 1603 01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:44,840 Don't know why. He would do that, but anyway, 1604 01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:47,040 right? And. 1605 01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:50,400 Quick trivia question for you. What is Dave Lodge's character 1606 01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:55,160 name in return? He's only referred to by 1607 01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,280 surname, isn't he? I think so, yes. 1608 01:38:58,680 --> 01:38:59,720 Well, you don't know either well. 1609 01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,680 No, I'm looking out. There, because I'm stay on IMDb. 1610 01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:03,280 Go on. What's the name? 1611 01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:05,600 His name is Mac. Oh. 1612 01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:07,000 Yes. Well, they. 1613 01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:08,960 Should have given them the same name as he's got in Coco Show 1614 01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:12,560 Heroes, or the continuity would have been a bit off. 1615 01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,160 I'd have liked in. Return of the Pink Panther, if 1616 01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,480 at some point he flexes his muscle. 1617 01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,760 Yeah, it's clue, says, dicking about with the telephone or 1618 01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:23,920 something. You should. 1619 01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,000 Should Dave Lodge have been allowed to break the 4th ball 1620 01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:35,520 and deliver his famous line? There we go. 1621 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:41,360 So happy 60th birthday, The Pink Panther. 1622 01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:45,880 I don't know whether ITV will be marking the occasion by ringing 1623 01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:48,120 it again. And I. 1624 01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:50,520 Don't believe there are any plans to do so well, You you've 1625 01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:51,680 got a. Bit of influence, Gary. 1626 01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:53,280 Surely you could. I have. 1627 01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:58,600 No influence. I have awareness of what may be 1628 01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:01,960 on ever so slightly ahead of the Radio Times, but no. 1629 01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,640 I can't just yeah, I can. Unfortunately I cannot actually 1630 01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:09,240 stage close of season on ITV one. 1631 01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:11,160 Whatever. Fancy it. 1632 01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:11,920 But. But. 1633 01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:15,040 Right after we stop recording, I'm going to be pressing you for 1634 01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,840 all the Goss about Nigel in the jungle, of course, because you 1635 01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,040 know everything. Oh, why? 1636 01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:20,680 Yes, absolutely. All the dirt, yeah. 1637 01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:24,600 Yeah, yeah. Gary, listen, I'm going to send 1638 01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,200 such a. Dated reference By the time this 1639 01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:28,200 this drops true, it'll be. Out by then Bernie. 1640 01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:34,080 So hopefully, as as as you refer to rather the top of the show. 1641 01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:37,720 Hopefully there'll be a pre Christmas or a Christmas sitcom. 1642 01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,240 Club fingers. Crossed. 1643 01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,120 I actually had to remember that you might be on it yourself. 1644 01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:45,920 I'd. Be very pleased to add my 2 1645 01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,160 Penneth. All depends on logistics of 1646 01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:50,480 course, doesn't it really? Yes. 1647 01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:56,680 So we will see and this podcast will be taking a break in 1648 01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:58,640 January for maybe a couple of months. 1649 01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:02,480 And after that I'd love to get you back at some point, maybe 1650 01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:04,840 next year or some. Well, no, you are going to come 1651 01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,080 back next year because at some point we're going to talk about 1652 01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,280 the man, about the house movie, aren't we? 1653 01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:13,720 Yes. Yes indeed. 1654 01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,160 And the reason? We will be talking about that on 1655 01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:20,840 Goon Pod is because of course Spike has a memorable camp 1656 01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:22,800 cameo. Indeed so. 1657 01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:27,440 But you and I are both huge fans of of the, the television show, 1658 01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:30,000 aren't we? So, yeah, lots to talk about 1659 01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:31,800 there. So look forward to that. 1660 01:41:32,440 --> 01:41:37,880 So Gary, thank you so much and and I'll, I'll, I'll normally 1661 01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:40,400 say to guess, I'll talk to you again in the future. 1662 01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,440 I will talk to you again tomorrow, I think. 1663 01:41:42,440 --> 01:41:44,640 Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. 1664 01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:45,640 Cheers mate. Thanks very much. 1665 01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,080 Cheers then. Bye. 1666 01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:47,200 Bye.