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Just meeting to that the speed and die.
Hello and welcome to game pod. If not the Rolls-Royce of the
podcast World, certainly the East German trabant that barely
makes off the for court this week.
My guest is sound engineer and producer, Richard Moore there.
Richard is the man that has put together this fantastic new CD
and album called Fred Richard and I talked about how the CD
came about where he got the tracks from the rationale, for
choosing the tracks, etc, etc. There's some clips as well for
you to listen to and it's a really good release.
So any as any listeners who are goons found, and if you're not
why you're listening to this, you really should seek this out.
So I in the time-honored way, I started my conversation with
Richard by asking him about his history.
With the goons, I was obsessed with sound and records and
things from a very early age. And then, one day, my dad said
to me, oh, I've got a record that you might like and Pulled
out a copy of the old 10-inch, best of sellers LP.
Yep. And needless to say, it grabbed
my attention, and from that point, I was very interested,
particularly in Peter, at least, initially in Peter.
And it led me down, all sorts of different alleys as far as the
goons would concerned. I ended up really at quite a
young age. I don't know, probably 13. 14
being a member of a given show preservation Society, And things
like that. Hmm, and then I've always been a
big Beatles fan me too. Yeah, I even went down to.
I was lucky enough to go down to Abbey Road when I was only 10
years old to the exhibition that they did down there for the 20th
anniversary of Love Me, Do oh, right?
Yeah, so that was great because they opened a be.
They were open Randy Rhoads Studio to for the How to film
show in the had lots of instruments and equipment and
things around. There is an exhibition at the
same time, which was brilliant. Yes.
And of course, whilst I was looking into the beetle side of
things. I came across this named George
Martin, I thought. Alright, that's very interesting
and I learned more about what George did with the Beatles and
then I found out that he also produced Peter and I thought
lll. Oh what's this?
And so I looked A lot more George's career and found that,
obviously, the recorded Spike as well and Mike and yeah, I was,
you know, I was pulled down that alley.
I was obsessed then with a lot of his comedy recordings.
Sure. Sure.
And of course, I'm sure you know that, well, I think less than
six months before the release of Love Me Do.
George had been spikes best man. Absolutely yes, yes.
And and in in in between that period, I think it was around
that time, sort of between the, that wedding and Martin meeting
the Beatles Bridge on the River. Why was recorded?
Yep. So it's also closely tied up and
Link, doesn't it? It is.
Yeah. Now it's in, its it stayed
something that's sort of been linked with me quite a lot over
my career. Of course I ended up working
with Michelle Monroe in the mat Monro estate, and working on
back catalog and unreleased material of mats and ended up
the in 2012, over it the Emi building as it was before Emi
collapsed. And there are was sat next to
George Martin which is quite a thrill is you can imagine.
Yeah. So yes, that was that was
brilliant experience. And, you know, he signed a few
things for me and we had a bit of a chat, which wasn't easy
because bless him. His hearing was pretty shocked
by that time. And so you'd say something to
him and then Judy is wife, would then shouted across to him even
louder than you'd said it right. If I got this right, it wasn't
George Martin, who coined the nom de plume, Fred flange, for
Matt Monro, it was in Indeed yes absolutely okay.
That that story is is interesting really because Matt
didn't want to do it. He wanted to record he'd been
under contract at Decker and then Fontana and those contracts
would come to an end because he hadn't had any hits and whatever
and George had heard these and he thought it was ideal
obviously for the Sinatra. Impression should I eat?
Yes absolutely that Peter wanted so called him up and initially
Matt turned down he said I don't want to record a somebody else I
want to record as myself. Hmm.
And it was actually his wife Mickey who actually persuaded
him to go and do it. He says well you never know, you
never know what it might lead to and of course it led to a
contract with parlophone and that was where he Sort of hit it
big so you know it's was it wasn't meant to be what they
call these things. A guide track for sale was it
was because I've done a lot of research into Matt's recordings
for various projects and I've been through all the Emi
archives and yet Ron Goodwyn actually recorded his backing
first and then Matt came in and sang over the top of it.
It with the view that that same backing that he'd used would be
used for Peter, but Peter just heard Matt's recording and said
I can't do that. We'll leave him on.
To love. You can't be a crime.
Don't kick me Swinging all the time.
It's delightful, delightful delightful.
I wish I could sing like that so obviously you said you was
obviously in the presence of greatness when you met George
Martin and Eva, Did you sort of besiege him with questions or
was it more we more subtle than that?
What it was difficult really to because of his hearing and it
was a large Gathering it was for the release of Michelle's
biography of a father, right? It was a big Gathering there was
celebrities and people all over. The place and very, very noisy.
So it wasn't really that easy to talk to him.
Just have a nice little bit of a chat with him as much as I
could, but there wasn't an awful lot.
I could talk to him about simply just because of his hearing
difficulties unfortunately. Hmm.
If it's because I you've just made me think, you know, if I
had been in your shoes, if I had two minutes, In the presence of
George Martin. What question?
What I asked him, indeed. Yeah.
It's yeah, it's funny, isn't it? You know, you all these possible
things you could ask. And that was, that was half the
problem. You know, you've got this man
sat in front of you with whose record with this so many.
I know, brilliant people over sort of a 50-year period And
yet, what do you say? What do you ask?
You know, I thought it'd probably done out of panicked.
Actually, I think I just panicked and out of just blurted
out a question about, I don't know the band America.
Yes, it's so dark. Completely wasted opportunity.
But anyway, anyway, right? So, so that's fantast.
So you've obviously been involved with well, with the mat
Monro. What would you call it the
estate? Yes, absolutely.
Yes. Other, you know, any other sort
of projects like that that you've worked on everything.
Well, I've worked funny, another George Martin connection, one of
the things I worked. I worked with the Michael
Flanders. Unless one is State point.
I was did a lot of transfers for their private archive, because
Michael was recording on tape from very late 40s.
He had one of the first tape machines in the country, okay?
And so, the stuff from, I think 1948 is the early stuff to do
recorded from the radio in 1948 of broadcast, some songs from
one of their reviews that they were doing so yes.
I Worked with Leon bersia who looks after Michael and Donald's
Affairs to a large extent on behalf of their family and so
did quite a lot of work for them and that started that ended up
being material that was used on a set called hat trick, which
was lots of basically Flanders and Swann Rarities.
So there's that side of things. I have worked with the Roy Bud
estate. Bud was, Mmm.
Yeah, film composer and I'm still doing bits and bats with
them, Peter scaling, his family. I'm working with, at the moment,
there's these people are, mostly not no longer with us, I'm
afraid. And I'm just, I'm trying to say
sorry to dump, trying to think I'm wasn't the film, The
Magnificent Seven Deadly Sins, that ride Bud to the soundtrack.
It sounds like, yes, I can't remember all of the films that
he did, but that rings. A bell certainly you know things
like Get Carter was his first, of course.
Yeah. And he things like wild geese
and Sea Wolves and stuff like that.
It was all all Roy's work and Roy was in immensely talented
and it's great shame. He died, very suddenly very
young, yes, of a brain, hemorrhage.
It was yeah, that was a great loss to the to the film
soundtrack world. But I've literally who I think
this week it's been announced another one of the sets that
I've worked on our work with a German company called Caldera.
That issue soundtracks and with Stephen, who helps with the has
been helping Roy's Widow Sylvia for many.
Many years has managed to find even till you'd forgotten about
it. Eh A cache of tapes that were
hidden in the in a storage unit in the north of England.
It's just suddenly it scores that have been lost for years.
Suddenly we found several and so there's one coming out from
Caldera. Welcome to blood city which was
a sort of strange. Sci-fi Western wasn't the
greatest most well-received film in the world, but it still has.
It has a decent Royal bad score and Well, worth releasing.
So that's coming out very shortly.
Good. Good, good.
So, you get yourself involved with a lot of these these sorts
of, absolutely. Yeah.
I mean, I'm a jobbing sound engineer, and I do transfers and
restoration and mastering, and all that sort of stuff.
So, at the moment in my house, I have not only Peter skeletons
archive, I have the archive of a famous person who are not
actually allowed to tell you about about at the moment, but
he was put it this way associated with Monty Python.
Put it that way. That's as close as I can get
without actually, giving it away than that.
Okay? So I have all their archives in
the house at the moment, and that's a mixture of
quarter-inch, tape, and I went to CDs and dat's and a dat's
which are multitrack format and a weird multitrack format from a
chi, which is 12. Analog tapes which I'm
struggling with finding a working machine for at the
moment, but I'll get there. You know, so it's, it's all
interesting stuff, you know. It's, it's a bit like I call it
audio archaeology because a lot of this stuff as you've no idea,
you'll get a pile of tapes which aren't very well labeled at all.
And it's a question of going through them and finding what's
there. And sometimes you find absolute
gems, you know, which is it brilliant to be the first
person? It's a privilege really, to be
the first person to have heard these.
These things. Yeah, yes, it has many years,
you know, I mean, 50, 60 years. Sometimes can yell at me and
say, can you look me in the eyes and say, oh my, oh, oh, I'm in
your arms. This when we done she'll never
hold me down, somehow I'm is Is that little kiss before we say,
goodnight, have you found somebody you to call you sweet?
You and I got in your you yeah we got talking because you have
been behind this, fantastic new release an album called Fred
indeed. Each is a fantastic CD which I'm
looking at right now I'm holding in my Publish what happened and
it's been, it's literally only really been officially out what
a week or two something like that.
Yeah, that's right. 10th February.
It came out, so on Jasmine. That's right.
Yes. And it's essentially, it's, it's
a lot of formally unreleased, or not being released.
Since original release traits from from Max geldray from Real
Anton, George Chisholm Wally, stop stroke Angela morally and
also peppered throughout. There's some nice little
Rarities from predominantly Peter Sellers, but also Milligan
and and Harry seek him. Yes.
So how did this all sort of come together?
How did this, what was it? That made you decide to Embark
upon this? Well, I've been working for
Jasmine for about three or four years.
I've done who've probably 100 releases for them as in a
mastering capacity, but I produce as they like to call it
producing many, when you compile a CD for them, I've been to
producing stuff for them a little bit as well.
And so you get the odd idea sometimes and you say, well what
do you think? And this is something I've had
in mind for a while and I thought I've got to find the
right angle. I got to find the right way to
put it together because cuz I got copies of of Peters acetates
and various other bits, and bats and I've collected a lot of I'm
a big gray, Ellington collector. I love Ray.
Hmm, I collected pretty much everything he recorded.
I'm three discs, three discs, 378, I can't find other than
that. I've got everything that he
recorded plus a few odd things, transcription discs, and things
like that. Yeah.
Um you know, the quite rare. And so I just thought well what
could I do to put together something interesting for
listeners that will also attract Jasmine to actually want to put
it out. And so I started digging around
and seeing well what hasn't been out there for a while?
What's been forgotten about and came across Across quite a lot
more than I expected. Max, for instance, Max geldray
recorded, some 78 for Colombia in the early 50s.
I'm probably in the early days of the Goon show, really, which
had been forgotten. I mean, his EP goon With the
Wind never been reissued. I then that was once again with
George Martin. Yep.
And so I found that and some stuff for George.
And Polly, stop material. And I thought well, actually
there's this, quite a nice little set here for not just the
goons themselves because there wasn't really enough material to
just do it goon set without repeating the stuff that's been
reissued over and over and over again all the Decca recordings
and pink stuff and so ever. So I thought, well, let's let's
look at it, the goons and other Acts associated with the Goon
show and see what we can actually come out with.
That's, that's interesting. And I put this idea to Jasmine
who were initially, reluctant, what is there enough of a market
with these things? And I can understand that, you
know, there's the Goon show is a long time ago, but they'd
recently had some success with some other British comedy
artists of the the same sort of era, so thought actually yeah.
Worth. It's worth a go to the man in
the street or the record company executive.
Whoever that may be yes, BOS, yes to goon show is largely,
maybe not forgotten, but it's certainly not as relevant as
maybe it was 40 years ago, but or more than that.
But but if you know, one thing that this podcast, I'm not
trying to blow smoke up my own backside.
Been, one thing this podcast has thrown out or made very clear as
it is. There's a huge fan base still
and and you know not and we're not just talking senior
citizens, we're talking, you know, people I guess our
generation and even younger who you look at the you know, things
like the spite documentary that was on Sky Arts.
Last year, this huge still huge interest for these guys for
particularly Milligan. I think I mean Sellers as well
Milligan is its. I mean there was a Twitter poll
Just before Christmas, who's the greatest and most influential
British comedian of all time and Spike.
It seemed to Win It hands down. Really in terms of just, you
know, people can people say, yeah, he, you know we don't we
don't necessarily like everything he did, but no boil
it down. You know, he had the biggest
impact, he was the most in flashes I suppose really.
I mean, modern comedy is, it is also really stems from Spike.
Hmm. So yeah, I can, I can totally
see that. at, but you see the problem is with the recording
industry, is these days with downloads or in fact,
specifically more streaming than anything else, the smaller
labels struggle with looking at material that is going to sell
well enough for it to be worth their while because licensing
fees are not cheap and so Jasmine is perhaps the only
label who would do this, right? They have a very eclectic mix
and the their business model is such that they are able to put
out disks. That might not initially, sell
very many straightaway, but over a long period of time because
they can keep things on catalog, a long, long time.
Mmm, it means that things like this, which are going to be into
the fans and people who discover the Goon show across the years.
This is still going to be available for quite a while.
As long as Jasmine exists, this CD should be in their catalog
than they should be available. That the, which is a, which is a
great thing, really? Whereas if it was a major label,
well, first of all, the major labels wouldn't touch this with
a barge pole these days. But, you know, it it stay on
catalog for a year, two years. If you were lucky three and then
it goes, And it disappeared never to be seen again because
that's just that's just the way things are in the in the music
industry these days back catalog.
Is not what it was, in the boom of the CD era.
Mmm-hmm unfortunately much to the disappointment of people
like me, not just from a work point of view, but as a fan, I
love archive material, I love stuff that's been sitting in the
vaults for years that has been forgotten about and I I try to
do that where I can when I'm working with major labels
because I'd say it's I work with all sorts of different things.
So I'll do some stuff for you. Reversal or I'll do some stuff
for Jasmine or Caldera or ending with.
I've worked for lots of different labels over the years
and it's great when you're given a project and you given carte
blanche to actually get into the archives.
But unfortunately those things are very few and far between
these days. So Jasmine work in what they
call public domain. Yeah, I know, but the public
domain material. So basically, in 2012, copyright
laws up to that point meant that everything up to 50 years old,
after 50 years, it fell out of copyright, it changed in, 2012
to 70 years. So it now means that everything
that was fella, I've everything that was due to fall out of
copyright in Team now will only fall out a copywriting 2033.
So being public domain, it means that anything that was recorded
and released up to the end of 1962, you don't need to license,
you still paying what they call mechanical royalties.
So, you're paying for the composers and Publishers and
that side of things. But you don't have to worry,
particularly about getting permission to record companies
or anything like that. It is where this is all coming
from. So, All of the material on this
is pre 1962. Yeah, but it just means that
there's no licensing. I've run a tiny little record
label myself. I license material, three and a
half years. I get that's three years, plus,
a six-month sell-off, and that is the standard for things.
So it means that you've got no restrictions on what you can
release it can be absolutely anything.
Hmm. Pre 1962 and Then it can stay in
catalog for forever. And so that's the way that I'm
in is not just Jasmine. There's quite a few labels out
there but Jasmine is the one that tends to care about the
content and care about the sound quality.
So it's Jasmine was the ideal label to go to with this one
really? Absolutely.
And you've called it an album called Fred which is obviously a
nod to show called Fred India and I love the fact.
I mean It's a really the, the tracks on this CD.
It's a real mixed bag of all sorts.
And let's have a look here, you can go from a George Chisholm
medley. Yes.
Straighten straighten to the the famous jump into a Dustbin and
dance routine that Peterman Spike performed on the show
called Fred in Figure 6. So and that's that's really good
sound quality. It was that taken during option
to just taken Any of the show's soundtrack.
Is that, right? Absolutely.
Yes, it's I've collected material across the years and I
have absolutely no idea where I actually got that copy from but
it sounded decent. And so fair enough.
I thought, well, I think it's something that people have
always enjoyed that song, it's just silly and we get to see
clips of it. You know, parts of it in, maybe
it shows and things like that, does he?
But it does tend to be the ones. One Clip that they will use to
illustrate a show called Fred in documentaries.
So I thought well let's use the whole thing For Heaven's Sake.
It's about time that it got right there and was heard.
Absolutely. And you've also got the yin Tong
song which was used as the or the version used as the theme
tune. Yes, absolutely.
And that one, that was the version that's on.
The album is interesting because there's not much of a story that
survives of a show called Fred no and In addition that I had
just so happens to have that at the beginning of the show, and
this is an odd sequence that happens with Valentine dial
later on where they're following somebody around the studio and
they play it again, but they play it from later on in the
recording and let it run longer. So I was able to take the bit
from the start and that bit from later on and actually make,
which is pretty what, pretty much the whole of the recording
of that, which is It's nice to have as well as I mentioned,
George Jessel near obviously. He's there by virtue of the fact
that he was not only in the part of the Polish dot Orchestra, but
he was also well, the orchestra conducted by what was it called?
The Wallace taught Orchestra. Officially, what was that?
I suppose it was but I mean it was never it was never never
labeled as such. I don't think our shows the
orchestra conducted by what he started.
Yes, it was. Yeah but chisel chisel obviously
would appear in pop up in a A couple of hands.
Lagoon shows. Yes, yes, line.
Usually a Scotsman somewhere around, it's almost always.
It's interesting. There's a track called needle.
Noodle new? Yeah, from one site from from an
LP that's from a Decker LP did called think it's just called
Chazz. Yes and yes that mean it was
just it was just basically a jazz album but that's because Of
that needle noodle new and thought well I know where he's
got that from and that's what attracted me to include that
particular song. Cause obviously it had goon
connotations if you see what I mean.
The sellers, the, the early settlers, yes, tracks here.
So we've got a three or four recordings that sellers himself
would have recorded on the disc cutter that he bought from Bob,
monkhouse. I'm guess that's certainly look
me in the eye. That's most definitely will have
been recorded on that machine. I would say this from the radio,
I'm not sure because it's really really good quality really well
recorded acetates and so I'm not sure that he would have
disagreed necessarily done in himself especially as a lot of
these things went out live. I get the feeling that he
employed, a recording service somewhere to whom these things
for him. But I can't say for certain
because I've never actually seen the labels for these discs.
So I can't actually save us at but that I wouldn't be at all.
Prized, because they're just, they're just such good quality.
I think it's would be, I would be surprised if there were done
on Bob. Monkhouse is dis cut now.
And absolutely right, of course, A lot of them would have gone
out lives to how the hell could he?
Yeah. And this Peg was doing it for
him but well yes I suppose. But yeah well she was she
technologically minded. I don't probably knows it.
Can you just can you just explain about look look me in
the eye. Well it's just a little home
demo of Peter. On his ukulele, which obviously
we had a few more things of over the years from haven't told her,
which obviously, there's a version of that on here within
playing the iewk with the Giraldo Giraldo.
Yes. And then there's obviously right
up to the seller's market LP, where he does is George Formby.
Yes, no George Formby. So he played the ukulele quite
long as it's really quite a good ukulele player, I think so that.
As thanks to Mark cousins. We now know that that actually
was written by Ted Ray and I didn't know that at the time I
searched high and low to find out where that song had come
from, but it is actually a song written by Teddy re called can
you look me in the eye? So that's yeah.
Thanks to mark for that one. Yeah so that was 49 so that
would have been the time that around the time that cell has
started on razor laughs. Of course I would think so yes
that's probably where he Got it from.
Yeah. So where did you because you've
got, you've got that. You've got, like you say, a
version of. I haven't told her, she hasn't
told me. You've got, I've got a lovely
bunch of coconuts and the, the Welsh one, which I'm not going
to be good. And fair PG.
I learn to say the word due to this song.
Go on. Go on then.
Fit clam FAIR Plan, Fair, girl, get it girl, get it.
Tuned to operate quanta, Sileo gawk, and it's all down to this
song. I know a place in well, That
never never fails to give me the pleasure that I'm yearning for
its Clan Vive whisking It. Go garish when drop with a plan
to save Leo. Go, go, go.
I must admit. It may be difficult to say, but
when you arrive, you'll find a treat in store at plan valve
quitting. It Go garish wind up with a plan
to silly. Oh God.
Go. Go.
It hasn't got a history like
holic or a sunset like landed. No by the Sea.
It hasn't got a Fame for leeks and garlic but it's as broad as
it is long to me. Nope.
Where did you Source these recordings from?
Well, they've been doing the rounds with collectors for a
long time in their raw state to be honest.
Not not restored in any way and I did Restoration on some way
back. I mean probably talking early
2000s when I did some work on some of these and I'd had them
ever since and I thought you know sooner or later they're
going to appear, somebody's going to issue them somewhere
along the line, but nothing ever happened with them and so I
thought well you know this it's there's some such good material
amongst these and there's quite a lot of material.
I mean I'm this is the, the songs from it really that I've
chosen for this but you Oh, there's quite a lot of material.
Yeah. From Peters early days.
I think there's a state of New to you which is actually a
soundtrack from a TV program that I believe he was on, you
know. So there's yeah.
There's lots of lots of material that he knew to.
You was his first television appearance.
I think it was. Yes.
Yeah. And so Peter kept all this
material, I'm told he kept an awful lot of stuff through his
career but not all of it survived.
I don't know how This material which sort of dates up to the
end of the end of the 40s. Early 50s, a lot of this stuff
at this has survived and the rest of it presumably hasn't
about part from his home movies. Why there's lots of rumors about
why but I've never actually found out what the truth is, but
they made these acetates made their way to various people
including Leading the late Berryhill who ran Orca old time?
Radio Collectors Association. Oh yes.
Yeah, way back. I think he started that in the
sort of 80s 90s. I think he started because he
had this humongous collection of reel to reels and tapes, and
disks and stuff of, he was a major major collector.
In fact, I believe he had to Terrace houses and he lived in
one and his Cut the other and eventually he found somebody who
was sponsored him to ship all of this across to the states.
And it was when he was in the state, I believe that the
sellers acetates came into his possession and he was one of two
or three different Engineers, who may dubs of these Right.
Yeah. And yes, I just happened to
through various collectors, have a copy of those and that's why
why I have included them here because I think it was about
time after nearly what's that 70 plus 70 years?
Yeah it's about time people had. They've been getting really I
thought you know this you know this it I find it fascinating
you know that early pre goon show material just to see what
he was doing there. What he's Tea Act was like, it's
very different obviously to what he was like in the Goon show and
and in anything he did after that, there's very little that
you'll find in his career that even sounds even slightly like
this. Yeah, I mean it was the closest
thing to him doing stand-up. I suppose some of these wasn't
it? Yes, absolutely.
Absolutely. Just I want to I want to just
mention about the railing tonight because there's some
very early Hmm. Recordings here from when he was
recording for the Moscow, overseas recorded broadcasting
Services. That's right.
Yeah. Part of a tensor.
Yeah, that's correct. Yes.
Just tell me about that. Well, that's part of my own
collection from one of my I got a couple of transcription discs
from Joe time. I do, I've no idea where that he
was a regular on that or it was just a guest that week.
But I happened to have found one particular set of acetates.
For probably about 15 minutes of worth of the show.
I would assume a show probably took up four discs and I've got
two of them and Racing's a couple of numbers on their
Sweet. Lorraine is the one that I've
put on the set. I was also he also sang a
version of is you is or is you ain't my baby on there too.
And yeah. So I think these are probably
one of the first solo outings for Ray post-war.
Post his years with Harry Roy Woods, he was within the 1930s
as a drummer and occasional vocalist and I think it actually
predates. The quartet, just have you heard
the story of a Old Mother Hubbard?
I'm sure that everyone is no. You must have heard it.
But if you haven't this is The way it goes by, I 0 Mother
Hubbard went to the cupboard to get her dog, a bone when she got
there. The cupboard was Bare and so the
poor little dog, he had. None of the little dog sat with
his head on the mat. So hungry.
He wants to cry but he wags, his tail and Yvonne who blew one of
the Harvard. Straightly eye dog on Zed little
dog. That ain't the thing to do, if
you were hungry. And you wanted a bone while I
found one someplace for you. So the closed of carbon and she
went out in this is a strange spelling of Cortez.
And there is yeah. And it's a strange record that
one Dan for I can only assume a mail-order.
I've never found out much about the label the version of Old
Mother Hubbard that's on the disk.
It was done for towers of London, a record month record of
the Month Club selection, and I've never From found any other
records from towers of London. Yes, anything any information
from them? And I can only assume that as
Ray was more than likely under contract to parlophone by this
time if they spelt it quartet without the tea in the the extra
T and E on the end, it would have been against the contract
of parlophone but the Ritz Spell it a different way they can sort
of say, wasn't us. That's a bit that's a bit like
the makers of carry on a manual. They had to add or subtract and
are more in EM from Emanuel to make sure they won't
contravening any copyright and really rights issues.
Solutely. Also into some some great me
glow glow worm. That's gold.
Right number Glow where I really, really like that with.
No. Now, Norrie paramor and his
orchestra. Yes.
Am I right again, getting back to George Martin was there some
animosity between him and George Martin.
Do you know about this? I mean I've read things but I'm
not absolutely certain there was animosity as such.
I think there was an annoyance from George and it actually
became something that I think even David.
To the Mickey out of, at one point on that was the week.
That was the fact that it seemed like, every B-side of every
recording, put out by Norrie paramor.
After a particular Point, had something composed by Norrie
paramor on the other side, but on the other hand, George did
occasionally did this? Although he wasn't so blatantly
to because he used, he used the name.
Graham Fisher, I believe. Was George's pseudonym her when
he did, he didn't do it quite so often as not, you know, he was
just what I just put paramour on it and I think it's sort of
rubbed people up the wrong way, quite a bit within ear, my
circles. Yeah, but I don't think there
was any particular animosity. I'm I don't believe there was
any real animosity between any of the sort of rival.
Producers, Norrie paramor. Ridley, Norman, Newell, all of
those popular producers at Emi at the time.
I think it was a sort of friendly rivalry more than
anything as I don't believe there was any animosity and I
know Helen Shapiro and her husband a little bit and she
speaks glowingly of nori because there's a really lovely man.
So, you know, so I can't, I can't see that.
There was really anything and even really Dreadful going on
but now that's interesting. Those are those Columbia
recordings. I think had been forgotten
about. He did four sides for Columbia
of which I think I've included three on the set.
Yeah, and yeah that the they're very much in the same vein.
As the Goon show material. Oh, I do have a little bit of a
soft spot for harmonica rag, just because of the vocal range
of printing that where they vocalists, actually make the
sound of the harmonica, which I He's a quite quite clever thing.
Yes, yeah, absolutely. And there's that.
There's a sprinkling of Spike. I mean, we obviously have spiked
with Peter doing the yes. Ying Dong Song and Dustbin
dance. But you've got walking my baby
back home, which was a real cure.
Yes. Yes.
There was a series for made just for BBC transcription services
so it wasn't broadcast in this country.
It was made for sale overseas and they made quite a lot of
these. It shows over three or four year
period, the BBC and one point the resident singer on the show
was Dickie. Valentine and Spike was a guest.
Ray has been a guest on there. I think there's a star show
track from Ray on the set as well so a lots of people from
the time even people like Cliff written whatever we're on it and
it was with the Ted Heath Orchestra with a resident band.
And yeah, as you can imagine despite doesn't take things,
particularly seriously, no, and sort of hijack.
Sticky Valentine's song we stop, rule while and then she gives me
a smile and then, she snuggled up to my chest.
We started to paint. That's when I get him, after I
kind of straighten my tie, she has to borrow my go.
He's all one kiss. It's then we continue again.
Walking the baby back home, Looking Backward, walking
like those crazy hands off me. You know, I thought it Spike
doesn't sing anything else and I was trying to say, keep with the
Musical theme with this rather than putting anything spoken
word in, so Spike, doesn't sing anything else in the that
particular edition of the star show, he mucks around.
Does this city sketch in it, but he doesn't actually sing
anything other than that, but I thought it was just so Daft that
it really ought to be included and you've included an
alternative take Of wormwood scrubs Tango?
Yeah, yeah, I've called it alternative take its I suppose
you could say it's partially alternative what George has done
with the final single. He's taken this take and he's
taken another. And there's an edit part the way
through where the find this, the single that was released jumps
to a different take halfway through.
So this is the full version of the full take bits before.
For any of the sound effects would put on it, there's a bit
of an edit at the very end, which has material that's not on
the single as well. So it's an alternate in the fact
that it's Different to to the released single.
And it's in Stereo, which, of course, the original single
wasn't mhm. And, and there's a, there's a
showing from Harry seeking, right, at the beginning of the
solute, well, I couldn't leave Harry out.
So, what can you do to include Harry in this?
And so falling in love, with love was a song.
He often used as a warm-up for the gun show, so I thought it
was the ideal thing to sort of start the album with as a warmer
perfect. And it ended Screech of all was
well indeed. Yes with accompaniment by Sal
has certainly I remember sellers on the timpani.
Yeah that's right. And lovely just because we get
to the end of the CD, you've got a handful of well there's two
really great I think I love the theme tune from two-way stretch
yes which is absolutely classic and and you've also got the else
axum vocals on I'm All right ejected.
I'm all right. Jack theme tune.
We covered that on the podcast last year that film.
Hmm. And as I said on the podcast, to
my guest, mellow rocker said, you know, at the time that must
have bloke that I've raucous rock and roll.
Yeah. Yeah.
Gloating people's socks off.
Absolutely, you know, is it's, it's such a catchy thing, as
well, which is why I wanted to include it.
I've had had a little bit of an idea of looking at Theme tunes
for sellers early films and I'd found quite a lot of them.
But to be honest, they didn't do an awful lot for me as pieces of
music. But I'm all right.
Jack two-way, stretch. Yes, all well, they're there to
goodies and I think it's, it would be nice to find a spot for
those at the very end. Yeah.
And of course, you've got the Lucky Strike, the one of the
closing. Hasn't changed from the gator
along with crazy Rhythm. Yes, absolutely.
That's from the Goon With the Wind George Martin produced EP.
Once again something that's been neglected by compilers for very
very long time. Lucky Strike always intrigues
me. Hmm, because again, we've
covered this on the podcast previously but Lucky Strike
replaces. Two goons Gallop?
Yeah, it was as a thing tree, but it replaces.
It halfway through a series, it kicks in you first hear Lucky
Strike. On the jet pal, guided naffy,
which I think it's a 19th episode of series sticks.
And I just, I'd love to know the rationale behind that.
I'd love to know why they decided to do that and it's an
interesting writing credit as well.
The fact that railing they credited as part writer in that,
maybe it came out of some form of improvisation or Jam.
He be at a recording. I don't know.
Do you know who Lori Denise's? I don't know off the top of my
head who Lori didn't is happens to be the third writer.
But certainly, the fact that Ray is Is named as a writer.
It may well be that there was some form of jam between
musicians at at a gun show recording and that sort of came
out of it. I don't know.
Maybe. Yeah.
And then the, the CD is rounded off with a couple of.
I mean, I listen to the both of their instantly recognizable,
not maybe a meat, not when you first and I'm not when they
start necessarily but you very quickly realize that they are.
For example, you're dancing on my heart, which is regularly a
piece of music regularly featured.
And yes in the Goon show and and I'll try and pronounce this.
I don't have the French but Sue let trois dig Perry chess which
are welcome play clip. So people will recognize what
I'm talking about but they immediately bring the Goon show
to mind when you hear those bits of music.
This no real sort of soundtrack to the goons as far as you know,
the music that was used in it. But you know these two were
reused so regularly, I thought well they sort of fit so I
thought well if I wanted to sort of bring everything That I
possibly could to the table to this a obviously, all the
related people, but related music as well.
Sure. And as I said, I mean you've got
so we've discussed Ellington geldray, Chisholm sellers
Milligan, seek Him film soundtracks as well and and
there's some Somali start Orchestra as well.
Mr. Lucky and so in total you looking at what 34 tracks 30
board tracks. Yeah.
And it but it's not you know it's all on one CD is not a
double CD because they're only short and they.
Yes there are short and but we know we fill up as close to the
sort of 80 minute limit, we possibly could try and make it
value for money as it were. And yeah, I just think it's an
interesting and eclectic collection of stuff that a lot
of goon show fans aren't that familiar with.
Well I as you know I tweeted about it and Them definitely
post on Facebook about it and it was amazing response to it.
Just people say, oh my God I must order this, you know, they
looked at the track listing and immediate take up from it and
and it's absolutely. I mean it was it something I
899? Yeah.
Absolutely. It's snip and any
self-respecting goon show fan or even I'd say you know, any
comedy fat, any jazz fan even or early British Jazz would you say
absolutely? Yes.
Or big band. Music would, you know, you need
to get your hands on this. So it says, it's called an album
called Fred, and it's on Jasmine just Jasmin, you're Jasmin
records, just Google, Jasmine records, you should be able to
find it quite easily, fix that and, and what.
So, you've obviously you've touched on.
You've got other things you're working on at the moment.
Yes. Any future plans.
Anything you'd love to to work on that you haven't sort of
realized yet. There's all sorts.
Stuff. I'd love to work on.
It's the picking something out would be difficult, I'd love to
do another ray Ellington set. I helped I didn't compile the
other one that I did, one for restored, one for Jasmine.
Yeah, a couple of years back and that after all of that material
is actually from my collection and I would love to do a
follow-up because the still quite a lot of race.
These recordings that haven't ever been reissued.
There's particularly he's first to Colombia discs which I'm
still searching for. Have you been in contact at all
with Lance his son in a roundabout way?
We keep saying that. We must have a chat at some
point, but I never have actually managed to do that yet because
he is a mutual friend of Michelle Monroe, because she
knew Ray and Matt knew. Well, and she knew Ray and in
fact racing at her 21st birthday party, you know, so wow.
Yes, of course. So yeah, one of these days, I
will get to have a chat with Lance and I would say, I mean, I
would hope that, you know, he's got some rare stuff that I would
love to be able to hear you just don't know.
I suppose, what people people have got squirreled away.
But say, yes, I would really like to get At a another
railings and set out. I have actually done a hairy set
for Jasmine containing some really early Harry seeking
material, which may not be a major interest to given fans
perhaps but you know you never know.
Yes so I do love comedy material.
So yeah I noticed on Jasmine Jasmine have got, there's a
cribbins collection. There's a that was me all right.
Okay yep. And even a seller's I didn't.
Don't see that sellers one. What's on the sellers one?
Does it just usually? It's a, it's a cross reference
of everything I think from Yak are up to right?
But Peter, and Sofia, I would think, you know, just a sort of
General overview that say, I didn't.
I wasn't involved with that particular set, so I can't tell
you exactly what's on it. But yeah, I did that, I did the
Bernard cribbins. I've always, once again, it's
another George Martin, of course, of course, and actually
It was just strange really that the pretty much the day that was
announced as a release was the day that we lost him.
Unfortunately, it was just, it's just this, this is funny things
that happen in that way in life, isn't it really but there you
go. Yeah I should just actually give
a shout out to a guy called Dave Hudson at this point because
when I was putting the album together, I was really stuck for
a title and I was going through all Not two different things.
I like I couldn't make my mind up so I actually went to the gun
show Facebook page and said, look guys, this is what I'm
doing. Have you got any ideas?
And it was a guy named Dave Hudson, and if you're listening
Dave, thank you very much. He came up with the title, an
album called Fred brilliant. Well done Dave, well, they do.
Oh, last thing on that, the artwork for the CD, where did
Jessica? I've seen that, I've seen those
caricatures before. Where, how did you sort of?
I actually don't know because that's in the Hands of the art
department at Jasmine, who looked into that day there they
give me some options. Yeah.
And they gave me an option with photographs of all three of them
and one with the the drawn caricatures and I much prefer
the caricature. So they went with that one but I
had absolutely no idea where they come from a fuel.
Okay, okay listen Richard, it's been brilliant, speaking to you.
Thank you so much, is it? It's a marvelous CD, and I'm
sure that everyone listen to this.
If they haven't already, will be rushing out to our price or
ordering it online, more likely and more than likely these days.
Yes, and more power to your elbow for future projects and
Endeavors you very much. And and we may speak again in
the future. Absolutely.
Thank you. Thanks again to Richard.
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