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Only, when you die, this is the Charlie.
Who's going to drink. Loch Lomond, foreigners, who are
you? I met Glenn Butters.
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20,000, 20,000 pounds hot. Money must be worth a fortune.
The Anu, I am means to us both. Nope, it means that I'm a rich
man and you are a far better swimmer.
Hello and welcome to Good pod, 67% of Housewives.
Say they prefer gun pod over other gun-related podcasts.
By the way, this week, I had a lovely conversation with Chris
Shaw who is the presenter host and divisor of the wonderful.
I am, the egg pod pod cast, Chris came along to talk about
his love of the goons and a particular gun show.
So here it is. So, thank you for agreeing to
come on and talk about some old radio show from the 50s.
So, yeah, there is life, there is life pre 60s.
I've discovered there is, and it's, it is Technicolor as well.
It's not, it's not all grim and monochrome and Chris, obviously,
people know you. As the host of I am the egg pod
which which you described as a jaunty stroll through peple and
discussing the Beatles and the solo Beatles albums.
Which is kind of like, I've kind of followed your line with this
podcast in as much as you know, it's about the goons and about
the Goon show itself, but also the solo goons projects.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think you can apply that to anything.
Really? Can you mmm-hmm mr.
Whole lot of pots out there that could use that format because
it's definitely a format. Yeah, but it's less restricting
than having just to stick to doing talking about gun shows
all day. Yeah, but you've been I mean, I
was at an early listener, I picked up or discovered, I'm the
egg pod, pretty pretty early on. I think it was possibly your
second or third show was the Show.
With Jon rain was that, you Sergeant Pepper wash.
I think that was the first ones. It could have been no rub
manuals to put. Yeah, that was seconds.
I think and Ben Wheatley. Yeah, right.
Yeah. Okay.
So that was great. Yeah.
We headed off down to Brighton around Ben's house because I
didn't know what I was doing at all.
I just really like smersh pod which John rain doesn't respond
one. Hmm.
So I know he was so funny. I just wanted him on so I
contacted him and he was a bit like initially because he didn't
know me from Adam, and I was saying yes to be about the
Beatles picking out, and he's like, yeah.
Okay, well, yeah, maybe well, but he didn't seem that
interested, and then because Ben Wheatley is a friend, and I saw
through that, right? And he was like, oh yeah, okay,
yeah, I'll come along first 0, Hoodwinked him.
Yeah, that's yeah, that was ages ago now.
Well, well, I know you Well, sorry.
I should say, I've had guests that you've had like, like, Jon
Jon's been on this. Yes, Margaret capons Smith.
David Quantic. Adam.
And Heather from retro troop. Of course.
Really am Bob Fisher. Tim Worthington, Laura Grimshaw?
So yeah. So it's, I mean, every episode
of of what do you call? It just, you just refer to it.
As egg pod is that the shorthand for the Pod patello.
I've got a private message from Rob manual from years ago when I
was sort of thinking, I wanted to do this.
Hmm and we were throwing names around what to call it and I
didn't want to just call it a Beatles pot, you know, you have
something like I just wanted a word like submarine or
strawberries or something like that.
That was synonymous with the Beatles.
Yeah. And I think he mentioned, we are
the walruses or something and then I just saw a guy on the
ignite. I hate poultice.
That'll do so and I think he said yeah, people eventually
just call it exports but yeah. Yeah.
Weekly is, I am the egg ports because that kind of has some
pieces. Reference was just a big pot.
Doesn't really mean anything other than cooking eggs.
Yes. Yeah.
But yeah, it's interesting that you've had so many people have
been on here because it just shows you the crossover between
the Beatles and the goons. It's not just a coincidence.
Now, it's absolutely right. When I first started, listening
your first, I don't know. Dozen shows used to include what
I want to call the kids. Probably.
Don't go with him. More mashups of beetles Clips
used to do, they won't straightforward Clips where they
and then I think you abandoned that you eventually.
Yeah, it was I got a few comments from people who didn't
like them and it was good because the can rub menu.
I keep mentioning him but he was so helpful.
Hmm in that he was saying and he point out.
Yeah the intro is a bit long. Cut it down.
People if they're going to be Angeles and they don't want to
hear long intro so I cut that down and then it just it was
time. Really?
Because it took I used to do mashups back in the naughties.
Yeah, see see. See if you Google that there's
loads of my shots and mash up the whole of revolver and
Sergeant Pepper with a guy called it'll chemist.
He's brilliant guy in the states with doing that via email, which
is very Progressive today. Yeah, you know, he mashup, it
might mess of it. So yeah, I thought he still
loved it in those. So I had a few lying around and
it's basically showing off really, I was just sort of look
what I've done, you know, I've done this season matchups.
And then So now I just wanna hear tracks and one of the
guests, I won't say who was really annoyed when they heard
it back, it's a boss that Bloody rubbish.
Mashup pop stuff you playing so Charming?
Yeah no. No, they were lovely.
Who's kind of joking. But yeah, it's yeah.
You just want to hear the real thing then.
Yeah. No.
But it was it was different. It was interesting as well
though, to be fair. And and I was really impressed
by earlier this year. In fact, was a January.
You did that? That kind of mini season on, get
back day by day. Yeah, that must have been
enormously tiring. It was.
Yeah, I think I got a call from John Morris back in November or
I think it was December. Hmm.
And he's saying, how's this for an idea because I was originally
thinking, I do three episodes one on each episode.
And so I had cut kind of a couple of guests in line, and I
contacted him and I said, I've already been agreed to do
another peels podcasts, because it's quite a few of them out
there now, It is difficult, get hold of guests really but so I
thought, oh, I'll leave it. I'll think of something
eventually. And then, John Morris lined up
and he said, do One A Day. Get a different guest, you can
do it. So thumb, he said, if you don't
do it, I'll do it. And apparently, he didn't mean
that at all. We just want him going to be
bothered. So, I did, I just sent a lot of
emails. Round two people have been on
before, and people who haven't been on before.
I did it, really wanted that. I really liked, and hopefully
would have heard of it. Yeah, it pretty much everyone.
I think everyone said yes to anyone who couldn't do got covid
and that was asked Allen Muhammad who does the Bowie
podcast, which is superb. Alright, okay, I don't if you're
not aware of that, oh, have a listen.
You'll love it. Okay.
Yeah, he got covid. The day before we were due to
record it because I started recording them in December and
over Christmas. Yeah, which was complete
nightmare cause you couldn't get hold of anybody.
It was Christmas and I didn't recall them sequentially.
So I had to try transcribe each day before I spoke to these
people send that over to them just to remind them because
people are busy. You know, there could be enough
time to. Oh God, watch it.
Yeah. And didn't record them
sequentially. So people as a no, ya didn't
that happen yesterday? I recorded that one yet but the
plan was like, if I recorded the first say 12 prior to January, I
could then carry on doing the last ones throughout Jenn.
Yeah, so I think Mitch Was recorded.
Literally. The day before he went out for a
couple of days ago and now yeah but yeah, it was a nightmare but
it was worth it. I knew if it came off it,
hopefully work. Oh wait, I'm really really
pleased with it. Went down a storm, didn't it?
I think he was just everybody wanted to everybody to seen
wanted to talk about it. And that's another thing I quite
liked, because if you're just been to three people, it would
have been, you'd only got a certain viewpoint, but there's
so many different viewpoints and yeah.
Yeah, I can't. I can't believe he got done but
I'm glad it is absolutely great a lot.
So and John is still in his. I mean possibly that's what it
is. Is that John is still slightly
high. He's just I'm more or that's how
his mood was on the day, but he feels it, where he's just sort
of going, he's talking slightly and code.
But Paul who would figure would do his best to help sellers out
of an awkward. Patch doesn't do anything to
help. He just kind of adds to it in a
way. It's a um, They keep calling him
Pete, right Pete. Well, funny enough, because I
recorded an episode for this in Godwin was a early November
late, October about the film, The Magic Christian all, yes.
What was it was? It was scheduled.
It was always scheduled to go out beginning of January and it
wasn't, there wasn't any reason for that was just because of,
you know, just got my list of shows and I wasn't going to.
Yeah, I was not going to waver from that list from that
schedule and it coincided quite Nicely with obviously, get back
coming out and the magic Christian suddenly, people were
aware of it again, weren't they? Oh, yeah.
It's like, I think I've tweeted that out in the middle of the
daily runs because I think it was weekend where the Beatles
weren't working. So so yeah.
Did you are one because it's fitted in perfectly?
I thought yeah, really good. Yeah, really enjoyed that one.
Yeah. And I can remember when you've
kind of you mentioned above, okay?
When did you first did you, when did you start listening to
podcasts? Remember when you started
listening to podcasts? Well I sort of always used to
listen to Adam Joe. Oh yeah, Darling.
Joe on YouTube. Yeah, and I think there's some
MP3's floating around years ago. I can't remember when it was, I
don't know. I did any reason I'm saying
because I started listening relatively early, I guess it,
I'm talking 2006-7. Maybe when they would fairly
podcast were not all concrete like they are now.
So Does this two things? Like answer me this and callings
and Herring, and I was like, yeah, you know, but I can
remember because I was, I've always been a big Beatles fan
and, you know, sort of searching around around that time.
And the word that there was only, you know, maybe three or
four Beatles podcasts in the world back then that's changed
that has definitely changed and but yeah, but I would say you
are dead and this is not just because I'm talking to you but
I'd say that you You are definitely sitting at the top
table in terms of, you know, Beatles podcasts.
And most of the others are scrambling around for the crumbs
in the scraps while you'll be glad you didn't say shit.
That would have been just oh God, no, no, no, you're there at
the top table, not that great. You're there with nothing is
real and Beatles books and big Beetle sort out and podcasts
like that that I absolutely love that you know that are very very
popular and you're that you're sitting At the table, you're
tossing, large hands over your shoulder while the rest of the
river. I just finally, I just they're
sort of, you know, quivering in your wake.
Shall we? Say, this is where I do my suits
selling analogy. Blimey.
We're going off topic here. I'm sorry of this boring people
but I think it reminds me very much when I got married in my
best. Man we're looking to hire suits.
Yeah, I mean once it's very Posh place in your a royal Tunbridge
Wells together just have some soup.
Hmm. And we Scruffy little weeks
basically and that staff that just refuse to service.
They just sort of walk past this tutting and who are these, are
we going to steal something? And eventually it took because
my wife was out shopping with her dad at the time, and they
came in and then what you've been here, like half an hour
didn't, because I didn't know what to do.
I'd ever hired a wedding suit. So eventually we got served
because my father-in-law to be sort of the get you Guards in
order. Yeah.
And they came over and they would reasonably polite, but was
thinking and it's the same with podcast, basically people go
there for the suits, you know, in our case The Beatles so don't
be a dick. Mmm about it.
You know, think think you are bigger than the subject that
you're talking about, which is because I'm so boring.
Anyway, I don't think it's a problem fish, so I should smash
your mouth about the Beatles as well.
But yeah, that's kind of the I think podcasts like that unlike
with the exception, I Super celebrity ones or guess I have
heard some they want. Yeah I have I have heard some
beetles podcast where The hosts are positively obnoxious
Americans, American ones mainly? Yeah and factually incorrect.
So they just don't do any research, some of them, you
know, it's like jeez, he's supposed to know call yourselves
Beatles fans. Well, we're all in it for the
same reason that we're all here to share the magic.
Yeah, so to Chris. So, yeah.
Today you have joined me to talk about the goons or given a gun
show, but let's start off by You what's your history?
How did you discover the Goon show?
Then I was thinking about that the other day, actually, because
get the violence that has very poor upbringing.
We had, we were like poor, so you can say basically had no
money. So my childhood consisted of
hand-me-downs. Yeah.
So yeah, I sort of inherited. My mom had a copy of the yin
Tong song and my brother used to upload some cassettes of Monty
Python albums. Hmm, I'm Abby had matching tie
my handkerchief. Yeah, I mean I'm talking Ting.
I don't think I don't remember being at school.
I used to play them and yeah, I would start soon home on
leaving, two days, a such yes, quoting this stuff.
Yes. Very early age and also had that
all those brilliant Neil in his songs start.
There's evidence evidence evidence at the time of the
Norman conquest. Yeah, like preschool or
whatever. Wow, that's, that's a great
education. Station.
But I think that sort of fed my love for audio comedy because
that later went in a different direction when I was in my teens
with Derek and Clive. Yeah, which was perfect age.
I mean, that was around the time of the young ones as well.
So it was, yeah, shank which was insane when I was that age, I
went in there, I worked at a record shop in the mid 90s by
the way and It shames me to admit this but I was complicit
in playing of Derek live albums over the over the sister sound
system in the shop. Could you believe that well
done? Which which would be Saca ball.
Yeah, but we did it blimey. This is brilliant.
I did a similar thing. I used to have an iPod switch.
I've dug out quite recently. It recharged it.
Hmm. And it had like those the 1960s
bubblegum music. And Loads of Trojan stuff I
think was on there and also loads of Daring, Clive stuff.
So if you press Shuffle is like this, obscene radio show.
But yeah, so yeah, it's into that big time.
Yeah, it's quite large but I mean like, like I said, there
were around at the time so Spike again, when I was terribly young
age. So I remember watching the Q
series with my mom, let me watch it and obviously the Pink
Panther movies new from around that time and obviously Highway
for Harry seeking because in those days was literally nothing
on Terry on. Sunday's.
So you sort of injure that until it was bedtime.
Yeah. Patent.
I want a copy of Adolf Hitler. My partner's downfall in our
Christmas School, writing competition.
Okay, yeah. So they were always kind of
little bit in terms of the goons you know you'd hear bits on the
radio. Remember Adrian just oh yeah it
shows and he played clips and he's weird.
Then you hear the actual goons and things.
Are you raving idiot? You and you are, that's from the
agent Russian. That's and I think also, The
Beatles had a big cause you just get these books.
You keep reading about the goons and you know, George Martin's
involvement. Yeah, there's so many links
there may in fact my favorite George Martin, one of them
production is Dance with Me Henry.
Hmm, which I think is one of the best songs ever made, which was,
which was never released until the 90s, was it not know?
It was, It was obviously recorded in the 50s, but it was
the B-side of Unchained melt the gold Unchained Melody, which for
rights reasons, they weren't allowed to Elise and then and
then and then. But but come the 90s who owns
the rights. Mr. Paul McCartney.
And he says, okay let's we can release it.
Brilliant. My, our cats are called Henry
and many just. Wow.
The testicle. Yeah, that's a besom.
But do remember. Yeah.
It was in the 90s when I really got into them all the cassettes.
Yeah. You get a couple of episodes in
them. Not just to remember lying on
the big laughing my head off at those Occasionally leaning
forward fast forward, Max geldray and the raving tin
quarter and then I'm afraid I'm gonna take that one off the list
that question, right? Okay.
It's quite if you don't mind me saying it.
It's relatively late late in the sense of because as you live as
you probably have heard on this show, most people of Our
Generation, they get into it through the dad or the mum,
often the dad and you know, when they're when they're gonna
appreciate, you know, you were listening to this.
Guess as well when you are young but you say you really got into
it in the 90s. So when there was things like
Vic and Bob and yeah, I don't know what it was.
I think it was more a case of I was always aware of them and
ways, you know, there's everyone, the radio I'd sort of
turn it on but I never really got into it.
Hmm and it's just when I bought once you've invested.
I think it's like to pound for these because that's where
they're incredibly cheap. Yeah, and you actually sit down
properly. Listen to it.
It just blew my head off. It was so good.
Obviously hearing blue bottle. I never forget because obviously
you know my name look up the number.
Yes, I heard it been a goons reference but it is blue pot.
Yes, it was Blue Bottle is actually on a Beatles record.
I kind of just changed up. I'm thinking the 90s, I was just
spending all my money on the Beatles bootlegs that are coming
out, right? So yeah, probably didn't have
any left for the kids but yeah, love them, okay?
And and so you wanted to talk about specifically we could talk
around it. The the Goon Show episode, the
treasure in the lake or The Treasure of Loch Lomond desserts
sometimes known. I was going to say, why is it
got two titles? Think that the commercial
release. It was released as an LP and
cassette in 1978. As part of goon show Classics.
Vol 5. So is the a side and the B side
was the greenslade story. Oh yeah.
But it was, it was titled on that.
It was a titled Treasure of Loch Lomond for some reason.
I'm not quite sure why. To be to be fair.
Mike Harding wrote the sleeve notes for the lp and and he said
That he said, he said this year, I had the kindly assistance of
Spike Milligan who chose The Treasure of Loch Lomond which I
think is a worthy a side to my choice of the green Side Story.
Etc, etc, etc. So Spike H least personally
chose this episode to be included on the lp.
He still this was one that was solely written by him.
It was yeah, so so this is from this is towards the end of
Series 6. This is Series 6 episode 24, and
it was broadcast 28th of February 1956 and Spike had been
writing a lot with Eric Sykes throughout Series 5 and I guess
a lot of the first half of Series 6 and on and off with
Larry Stevens as well. But yeah, this one's a solo
Spike script and it and it is again.
It's forest for a solo Spike script.
It's there isn't a lot of plot. There isn't a lot of structure
but there's enough if you know what I mean, you know.
Because I think I've heard you talk before with guests on this
about the later ones you know, when he was on his own it was
real struggle for him and you can kind of pick that up.
You can definitely pick you up in the end of this because he's
literally just anyway, they went to bed just gives up well, the,
the end of this, I mean, I don't want to go to the end at the
beginning, but the end of this is that the showed literally
ends what pre credits should say with Spike singing and Peter on
the Spike singing. I'm walking backwards for
Christmas. Yeah.
As a doll for sprigs and and and I've looked at and so I've got
access to the original script that Peter Sellers used when
recording this. Wow.
And it's quite interesting actually because the script is
fairly the script in terms of what was actually recorded as
fairly faithful, if you know what I mean.
There's a few little borrow to The Crossings out and words
added and things like that. But if you look at the actual
script originally and I guess on the day that they recorded it,
you know they were planning just for it to end with Wallace.
Greenslade saying, don't people get discouraged easily good
night and then you know, end credits.
Yeah, but then Peters written in on the script piano.
So they obviously decided, let's just add this little bit and
that would have been off the back of the fact that the week
before this show was the episode, The Tuscan salami
Scandal. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is famously. The Goon Show episode with new
musicians because there was a musician strike that week.
Okay. And so there was no Molly, stop
Orchestra. There's no Max was no Ray and as
part of that. Yeah.
But but obviously Spike had to write more to fill in, for the
non-existent musical brakes. So one of Of the things that he
performed was. I'm walking backwards for
Christmas on that show the week before, and it obviously went
down a storm. So, he resurrected it for the
following show and then it was and then it was put out as a
single in the summer. Yeah.
Right. Am I being naive here?
You can tell me the line. I've tried walking sideways and
walking to the front but people just look at me.
Mmm. Yeah.
Is he, is he going for the? Yeah, I I've always thought that
I've always thought that that is, that's where your mind is
supposed to wonder if you're a certain type of person, you
know, I mean I do prefer and so it's a publicity stunt.
But again, it's a daring Clive influence.
Yeah, I do. I'm just watching would people
at the time. Oh, I'm sure that expecting that
I'm sure that their friends like Dave, large and whatnot would
have probably that. In fact they probably drunken
me. Would sing that at parties.
So actually, I mean, that they were very, very busy in 56, the
goons, I mean, Sellers and seeking word touring all, over
the all over the country, and the week before, affect what
four days before this, this episode was broadcast.
The first episode of the At weekly price tuppence began on
Associated really Fusion, which was the the first proper kind of
attempt to translate the Goon humor to television or the first
proper lets, you know, there was a sort of, a few aborted
attempts previously. But this was an idiot weekly at
first, was whether it was, it was salads with friends and
Milligan doing sort of script writing duties, and then it kind
of morphed into it. Then would go on to become Um,
show called Fred and then son of Fred later in the year and
obviously produced and directed by Richard.
Lester him again. Mmm, other piece was collection.
Yes, yes. Yes.
And yes, so it it's a, it's a very strong show.
It's the one. If it was a Friends episode it
will be called the one where Seeger and attempts to drink a
lake. I suppose it's just Britt.
I love the whole concept of it. I think it's every light.
I mean, every line or every other line, there's a joke.
I mean it starts. You got Wallace.
Doing this is the BBC home service, an immediate, let that
be a lesson to you. Every line is a joke and it
starts off with Harry seeking killing the conductor, which is
just. But what I did, I did have a
look at the transcripts. I think, on that goons website,
whatever it is with all the transcripts and there was a line
that Harry seek answers At the end though the beginning was
his, don't you dare? Raise your radio times to me
which is cut out, from the version.
I've got. Yes, I don't know.
Oh yeah, that's the reason for that.
Something else to mention on, by the way, the conductor on you
mentioned, the conductor who gets who gets shot.
It wasn't what he stopped for this episode while he was away
for a few weeks. It was a gentleman Called Bruce
Campbell, just mentioning that for know the diehards out there.
No, but this, the right, so, The, you know, about the
transcription Services versions of the Goon show?
Yeah, I've heard you talk about this before.
I think. Yes, I won't bore people getting
that essentially. Essentially, they would there
were the gun shows that went out when they were broadcast, which
were full length, and then a lot of them were then subsequently
edited and sent out sold to radio stations abroad.
And they were edited to remove edited to make room for
commercials with They were going to be on Commercial radio
stations and but also to get rid of topical references and bit
off color references and in some cases racial preferences you
know. Yeah there's definitely one in
here. Yeah.
Oh yeah. And that's the end.
But the thing is that so the so the episode, sorry, the version
you've been listening to is the one that's been on there,
cassettes that you've grown up with that, right?
Yeah, but for this live, listen to the one that's on YouTube.
So it don't know if this Oh sure, I remember it being on the
cassette. Okay well read the transcript.
Yeah. Well the cassette, what version
was the edited transcript transcription service or do it?
Which is about 27 minutes long as opposed to full 30 and they
took out things like, yeah, that that reference to the radio
times was taken out. I don't know why because they,
they use their talk about the radio times and other
transcription Services show, so don't quite know where that is.
But anyway, there's a rep, there's a reference that they
take Check out the scene where Ned see goon is first drinking
and then sucking water from the lake from the lock.
There's a line that's cut out. I think, Moriarty says, why have
you stopped and Siegen, says, can't you guess?
Oh, yeah. And that, that wasn't on the LP
version. That was cut off.
I mean, it's not that. It's not because that's a bit
rude. Yeah, but it's so, you know,
it's so cute. Really isn't it?
But the so sensitive, I'll just quickly give a quick synopsis of
the show just so that it is, people haven't, I just want to
hear it, you know, proceed form. Well, here's the thing right?
Normally normally I am Mom. No, don't have to bother writing
one because often for the earliest or season 5 Series 5
and some of the series. Six shows Spike would have
already written synopsis for the radio times so I can just use
that and also very often transcription.
Services would have their own synopsis, which I've got access
to and I could use those. But for some reason I couldn't
get a proper synopsis for this show so I just wrote a sort of a
summary down at heel and down on his luck.
Ned see goon is busking in Leicester Square.
When he's approached by Norris tooth who tells him that upon
the death of his Scottish. Uncle the layered my ghoul, he
stands to inherit 10,000 pounds. Ned hotfoot.
Sit to calcium a goal and meets the Laird of the nephews rather
Cavalier attitude towards his uncle's.
Seeing results in Echols disguises a dog driving in.
From the castle. Ned is then duped into a
dastardly scheme to drain Loch Lomond by drinking it, a plan
devised by grip B, thin and Moriarty in order to gain access
to the sunken Spanish Treasure Galleon.
Sanitary, but as someone else got there before them, not dot
dot. So, I probably put the dick
Barton music behind that to make it sound.
Yes, dramatic it certainly is. I love, I love.
Everything about. I love this so much.
I think again, his sport that was so good.
It's those visuals that you get in your head that can't happen
in real life. They defy physics.
Yes. So, when Eddie and William
cobblers, as a teammate, yeah, the height that the hiding from
the Roses who come at them. So they the plan is to hide the
house and Slide the window and he a week, he'll be fold up.
The walls is just genius, how they do that and it's beyond
cartoon because it shows the defy time they do.
Physics. It's pure joy to listen to these
things. And it's another instance of
seeking who is supposed to be the stout-hearted?
Britisher, the sort of boys own adventure here.
Oh yeah, being on his uppers, busking and begging and
obviously then a prime target for the duplicitous grip, Piper
Moriarty. One of the things about Ned is
that, you know, he, he often And tries or pretends that he is
heroic and that he is Honorable and that he is respectable and
that he is beyond reproach. But in this instance, he's not
afraid to do. What it takes to knock his uncle
off and inherit the 10,000 pounds.
But it's media. Is it how's your health once?
He knows that he's in life of these 10,000 pounds of treasure.
I think, Harry's, brilliant in this episode because he has you
say he's got that yeah boys. Adventure hero who's just
hapless but I do love his squeaky giggle so I think Pizza
messes up a line. Yeah, around this point and
yeah, it's just there's nothing that sounds like Harry seeking
squeaky giggle. You should sell toys that do
that. And I think how I think on some
shows Harry is the best performer on certain certain
shows just in terms of the sheer exuberance and he hit him
throwing himself into the pan. Art.
And there's a line in this when grip had a Moriarty, you're
trying to convince him that they've been there holidaying
for 300 years and and the implication being that the
Waters of the lock. Have what life-extending
properties and suppose, dear friend, what a lucky break.
If I drink this Lake water, I'm sure the live longer than my
uncle, edmure ghoul and thereby in head of his troops.
This will help you and for a mariachi and give me a glass of
the lock water here. When shooting Tina give a
different back. That hit me in the silver paper.
Yeah chefs kiss that delivery and I love the fact that, you
know, the characters, you know, great, Piper, Moriarty or grip
pipe, especially it's just always out to calm people.
Yes. And I love it.
When he's, I mean, Basically, the idea isn't that said he's
going to drink the lock, all of it, so they can get the treasure
underneath, but they stopped giving him cup after cup after
cup and my favorite line in the whole thing is Moriarty.
This is the Charlie, who's going to drink a lot Lumen for us and
it's just perfect. He's delivered his so well, it's
the way they once they get, I mean, the idea, right?
So they're getting someone to drink a lock Glass by glass, and
it's taking too long. So then they put one end of Hose
pipe in the lock. 1980s about now.
Suck away nidhi. It's the fact that it
immediately, right. It's going down slowly and
you'll kind of you kind of their you're believing.
Yeah. It's like a cartoon in the mind,
isn't it? Absolutely.
Yeah. And then it starts raining.
Drink fast, an idiot, it's and you accept it once.
You've accepted the insanity of the first thing you've got to go
with it and then scalability is a thing of Joy.
Also, the fact that That seek Him.
Who, of course, by this time, is an accomplished singer.
He's got proper LPS out and everything.
He's quite happy to to send himself up, or to sing terribly.
That that song he sings about. I've got a great big rock for my
pillow, the tuft of grass, my bed, and he sings at least so
off-key. It's yeah, well, he does, he
gets a bit of a dig from Spike because he was basically always
on Choices me, which was a guess.
I'll be busy. Radio show request program.
Yeah, but it's just the way that's written.
Can see girls get I'm going to, you haven't heard the last of
me. I'm on housewives Choice
tomorrow, but it is this so angry.
The Ghoulies you're always on how to either Choice.
Then obviously, my goal. The favorite thing of the
bagpipe sound effects on. This always made me laugh.
Yes, especially when he's just says one word.
Yep. And you just get a little pop
from the back right at the audience suddenly realized.
It's like the audience only twinks.
They Eli's. All right.
Okay yeah. So for people who haven't heard
this, this is where I think I think this tradition began.
The fact I want to say it's the show before, there's the Tuscan
salami Scandal should have checked, I might be wrong people
shouting at me now tweeting me, but I think it was the show
before this, where sellers plays a Scotsman, who is a Seer is
either a policeman or he's working for MI5, MI6, and in
that whenever he speaks, there's Bagpipe playing to accompany his
voice and and then it, they do that again here for the lad.
And it would it would turn up quite a few times actually.
And it's such a simple idea, but it's hilarious.
Yeah, there's a, there's a line that's cut from the lp when
Siegen first arrives at the council McCool and he meets
Ellington. I come to claim my treasures and
Heritage I bring with me all the wealth of my London domain.
Let me take the honorable Prince's brown paper.
Parcel, I admit I have been traveling light to light.
You forgot your trousers. I didn't forget them.
I just came prepared for The Killing season and and there's
then another joke later on, in the show, we're between minion
Henry when When Henry says, the trying to turn off the water and
Henry says that can turn it off now.
Hold my sex friend, a minute just roll up my Kilt Middy says
not to hi Henry nothing. Hi Henry minion Henry, top six
are cats but they're my favorites by a mile.
The beginning of this scene is about a couple of minutes of
just hammering because was it yeah, great piping.
Moriarty of basically turned all the Taps and Lots of the
flooding just to drain the. It's just this gentle sort of
tapping and there's no speech. It's just what you know.
These characters so well and you just you immediately in a run at
ten am in. Yeah.
They must live in that world. What?
Well that's that's like everything about.
That's a great point. If you if this was a sketch show
say where there weren't Regular characters as different
characters every week. Would you, would you have the
patience as an audience member to listen to that?
Just like you say that but because you know, these
characters and you've invested in them, you know exactly what
they're like. You're you're there for the
duration, you know, that you settlings, okay?
There's going to be probably three or four minutes of Minion
Henry, sort of warbling at each other, which I would happily
listen 24 hours. I guess that's why there's, you
know, some people are And give them the chance.
You know, if you out of the blue, played them.
Actually if so what's that is just people making noises?
But yeah, once you're invested yeah, Henry is talking about his
burst pipe and I can't my boat's Egan said some sort of sauce in
common but it's a friend's naughty.
Naughty, naughty naughty, naughty needin, that of noon,
Eddie, which would be really annoying if you didn't like the
goons. Yes.
And you can see here, I think Wyatt, you know, divides people
for me, I I could I love the last stuff people.
People easily dismiss the goons just being like, Oh needle,
noddle, new and Ning Nang Nong, which isn't even putt goons.
But you know, these these silly words and they just sort of
dismiss it as just being silly words, silly voices and silly
sound effects, and yes, that's part of it.
But there's something, but there's characterization and
there is some fantastic gags. Some of the, you know, some of
the greatest episodes of the Goon show, you don't stop
laughing, because It undated with gags and yes stuff
happening. Well I guess people at the time
of coming from it from the same direction as Lewis Carroll and
stuff like that, you know, hmm seems to be people around in
that the 50s and 40s, I guess it was were quite happily to accept
The Surreal stuff you couldn't imagine putting on Saturday
night TV now, which is so generic and flat and just it's
appealing to the ever. You couldn't put something like
surreal and cerebral is this, but people just seem to accept.
Yeah, I'm prepared to believe that this man's going to drink
that. Look, meantime, back at the
lake. It's going down fast.
George won't be long. Now meantime, back in the
bathroom. Meantime on the road to the
lake. Back him, the bathroom back at
the lake. It's a pretty, the water's going
up on the roads to the lake. It's going backwards and
forwards meantime, in the middle of the lake, back in the
bathroom, Rising back of the lake, Rosie meantime in the
steam bars and edgware Road, no blood.
We've got this, we've got the setup where, where?
Yeah grip up in Moriarty. You trying to drain the lock and
then there's this, then there's this.
This kind of, meanwhile, back at the lake on the road to the
lake. Meanwhile, Bubba, Bubba Bubba.
And it's like say it's just spiked just thinking, right?
I'll just I'll just write out as much as I can just to kind of
draw the show to a conclusion. It reminds me when people write
stuff on a whiteboard in huge fonts and then they realize
they've only got a bit like it in the letters.
It gets squeezed together. Yes, that's perfect.
How much time. But he has, but he has kind of
neatly tied it up at the end. Because because one thing we
forgot to mention, of course, is that the Laird has got whose Is
employed Echoes to be his dog. He does an amazing dog.
Yeah yeah I love the bit that's obviously pre-recorded that
spikes recorded. Yeah, during your day of Echols,
jumping into the lock and then surfacing with some diamonds and
chandeliers It's a ragged idiot, wearing a dog collar quick dive
down and put out the fire. We don't want to be spotted too
late to have already been spotted.
How I had measles silence heavily while French Joker,
observe Ian, dog type man. What's he died in 4 BC?
One is you think he's trapped on the bottom now?
He would have shouted to help see what, he's got.
Round his hind leg, so 50 at Platinum, chandelier with a
diamond-studded candelabra yakubu, past the telescope, now
hold the jeweler's glass on the end.
So Christie those diamonds genuine after it money, mullah
we Buddy, Buddy. Buddy.
Yo yo, yo silence. Garlic wreck.
I would love to hear just a recording of that because it
goes on for a good couple of minutes does just in Bow-Wow.
Yes. Yeah but it turns out that the
lads has has set Echoes the task of salvaging the last 20 years
or 18 years, I should say, salvaging the treasures from the
sunken Galley and then he's now managed to serve and everything
and it's what worth twenty thousand pounds.
And there's that lovely line where the layered sir Is.
Do you know what that means to us?
Both necklaces? Know the Lord says, it means
that I'm a rich man and you're a far better swimmer and lovely
little island and then more or less.
That that's, that's the end of the show part from, as I said,
I'm walking backwards for Christmas, but just one thing I
wanted to mention on that, you know, the old Hancock, very
nearly an armful story. Mmm, we're so golden and
Simpson, I don't know was a tray or Alan whichever one one of
them typed in one. Sort of Strode around the room
pipe and hand extemporizing. Not sure.
Which one did we did what? But they were working out.
This line for the famous home. Cop Blood Donor scene where
Hancock is going to give blood and he's told that he has to
give a pint and he says a pint that's very nearly an armful.
Okay. Originally it was just going to
be a pint. That's an armful.
Then they said doesn't quite scared of quite work.
Okay, a point that's nearly an armful and then they said, no,
it's better if we just add very, it's very nearly an armful
perfect. Let's just got music to it, you
know. Yeah.
And the reason I'm saying that is that I'm just noticed on
Peters copy of the script that the original script said, it
means that I'm a rich man and you're a better swimmer and then
the That out and put a far better.
Swimmer brilliant. Mmm.
Yes, which is better, which is better.
So we didn't Peter making these amendments will start.
Well, I'm assuming no, I think what would have it would have
probably been spiked just sort of saying to them while they
were rehearsing and Peter would have just hit about and written
it. And, you know, I don't know how
much input Peter had to tweaking the scripts as they went along.
You know. I don't know how much, you know,
he must have been lots of ad-libbing.
She was oh yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, but a lot of the
ad-libbing was actually scripted it sounded like it was a
deliberate. It wasn't, you know, with is the
bit where blue pot with mentioned bluebottle?
Oh, no. Bursting.
Out of the pipe. Something clogging of the piping
is blue bot because he he does that thing I go through life
with a smile and a son or would have changed it to.
Also, by the way, that reminds me.
I think python use that for the dog, license.
Oh Whispers. Just a praline with the ministry
of Was in this. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a, yes, I never thought of that connection.
The cat detective, then Ministry of housing.
How is he Inge? Now I think I think yeah with
blue bottles Peter would would ya, he would kind of improvise a
bit and add little bits like that.
You know, very certain about, you know, how to swim in the
lake with my first class, swimmers badge.
It's things like that. Just not, I'm splitting into
like not with my first class swimming.
Yeah and it gets pinned to my water into my water when it's
the description. Bleep Yugi.
No one plays with words like Spike Milligan back to the
kitchen it's read him from date of dusk.
Yes and then we get we get a very perfunctory blood knock
appearance because blood Knox, Polk knocks arse, bluebottle
two-tone Eddie that he wants Nettie to build him a boat
because drowning in the lake, you need a tiny bit of blood.
Knock and then as I say, that's another thing.
I love just the noise of blood. Knock the warble.
Hmm. That someone must do a song
where they just sample all these goggles and warbles and just do
like this girl, I'm sure it's gonna smash your somebody has
done that somewhere but it's such a difficult thing to do.
It's really difficult Voice to my both of them, Blue Block,
blue bottle and blood Market very difficult voices to pull
off your Spike. Spike has tried many people have
tried, I interview Jeffrey Holland.
The actor Geoffrey Holland recently in fact we'll be out
before The show goes out and he played.
He was playing most of the pizza rolls when they did the going
again. 50th Anniversary. Show in 2001 the Dirk maggs
produced and he freely admitted. He said, look you know, I
couldn't really my blue bottle was not particularly Close.
It was an approximation is his blood, not was better for sure,
but very, very difficult for anyone to, to pull off, as I
said on that show. I think the closest impression
of blue bottle that I've heard is my heir to the throne.
Yeah, which I can't, I can't answer.
Well, I can't deny it but it's a good it's a good impression.
Yeah, it's again it's Peters ability to just take things so
far obviously you'd see that. What's the name of the
scoutmaster that he was based on Braxton Hayward right because
you hear him speak thought it was an interview.
Hmm. YouTube or someone and he's
almost there you can see exactly what Peter extracted from that
he's got thoughts of fat. You know, he's kind of used b b
but then just sent into the stratosphere.
Yeah. That's that With all his
Impressions. And what impresses me, most is
when he's got, he's playing two characters in one scene.
Yeah, he was a genius. He was a complete nightmare by
all accounts. But yeah, enjoy talking to
Peter. Did you see that?
Bob monkhouse documentary. While ago, his final show where
he performed in front of all the comedian?
Yes, yes. Because he's very scathing about
pizza and his mother. Yeah.
No, love lost there. I do.
I had no idea, Nobel, Peace, and Bob monkhouse.
You each other in the 40s. And so obviously, as you know,
monkhouse was 14 an early adopter wasn't, he was, he was,
he would buy up, you know, recording equipment, and he
would record his shows and His Radio, appearances in the 40s on
this disc cutting machine and Peter, persuaded him to sell it
to him. And then tried to get his money
back, he said it didn't work or something and he does.
Mom got involved and it got a bit.
Nastya. Oh yeah, Todd.
He was thrilled. It's circus.
Bob was it's the whole thing if you don't know, if it's still
online, but yeah, that the first half is full of like modern
comedians at the time. Yeah, I think we got League of
gentlemen or in there and whoever was around at the time.
First, I'll just a performance. Second half's is sort of right
here. I think it was.
He knew he was dying. Hmm, let me just wanted to get
stuff off his chest but he's I've never seen anything like it
when He's talking about Peters mum, it seems natural which is a
little something. Yeah, she was a, she was a, she
was a, I mean, Peter got his temperament and his mood swings
from her I think, for sure. Yeah.
Who knows? Anyway, that's not the one sorry
to bring it up, it's want to say as well.
So so the day that they recorded this episode, which was the
Sunday, so went out on the Tuesday, the what was it?
The 20s 28th of February. So on the Sunday, the 26th that
they recorded Azure in the lake, they also recorded the five and
a half minute insert for a forthcoming radio show.
Okay? And it was a radio show that was
going to be on the light program and it was celebrating some
David's day. And it was it was it was to be
broadcast on March the second. Okay.
And so they they the goons recorded, this little
five-minute segment for it and originally it was going to be
called in a, which has a very stuffy home service ring to it.
If you're going to be called the goons comment on whales right in
the end, they called it the goons hit whales, which I
thought your things a lot better and it seems It's Quickly.
It does exist. Estimates, yeah, it's there's no
Max Ray or one screen size is not in it and it's just it's
just a nice little five-minute sort of skit if you like which
is just talking about whales and Harry is obviously leading it.
If you like and then you've got, you've got Moriarty and blue
bottle and Echols, 10,000 years ago, the great Ice Age, lay upon
will then the Came the first Welshman
down through the centuries. He has sung till today we hear
the beautiful voice of modern whales, don't be.
So yes. So they would have they would
have knocked that off. After recording, treasure in the
lake that are said to the audience, right?
Stay in your seats and want to just record this little bit, but
no overall. It's one of the best loved best
remembered doing shows. I think it's because of that.
Yeah, you know, it's as we say, they don't have, they don't have
great plots necessarily any of the gun shows.
But when they have a particular scene or a plot that you can
kind of hang your coat off in this instance, see going
drinking the lake. Make people seem to remember
them. Don't they?
And and, and also the fact that was wrong, obviously recruit
released on a, on a commercial LP, but but it is a much-loved
episode. Oh yeah, it's definitely my
favorite. I think everybody's picked all
the other ones I like. But yeah, I want to go and
listen to it. Now I'm gonna go to listen to it
and I might even listen to real Linton.
I do, I really need to, I did try, I really did try with Max
geldray and Ray but I don't know.
I just I just I didn't know I'd one day, I'll get it.
Well, I know that John Lennon would listen to at least up
until 1956. At least up to the year that
this show goes out. I know that bowl accounts Lennon
was listening to the Goon show Fairly regularly and so and he'd
be listening to the because Ellington was doing covers of
like Shake Rattle and Roll things like that, you know, and
You know, you think, okay, John was probably listening to these
and pretty listen to Alan to the maybe maybe somewhere somehow
was getting influenced in some small Respect by railing Tunes
performance. Yeah.
Every possibility didn't he wrote the forward to new for the
Goon show scripts? Yes, he did to wrote a review.
Yeah, for the New York Review of Books in 73, you can hear it.
You can see in the religious books, it's just straight out.
Let the beginning of this one again, is You will experience
like is it ladies and gentlemen, orange.
Yes, that is in his own right. Spaniard.
Yes. And that also the daily howl.
Yes. He's basically using it from
there. It's the same thing.
You know, everybody in the 90s, all sort of thing.
You wouldn't let it lie. He was basically quoting the
goons like that, huh? And it became part of his
parlance. So yeah, we had a lot of things
before. Yes, I think if you hooray for
the guru for the goons, the the That like, it is their
influences running through British comedy like a stick of
Blackpool Rock. Perfect.
So, Chris, you've podcast I'm the egg products.
Been on a bit of a Hiatus guests recently.
When's it due back soon. As I've recorded the next steps,
I've recorded one. That's I'm going to have to do
as a patron. Only I think I can say it's with
John Higgs. Who's just written a book love
and Let Die but the podcast is actually appearing on the end of
his Audio book. Oh, okay.
We should be interesting. So, you have a pop down since
the in few weeks ago, in Brighton MA.
But it'll also be on the patreon account.
Yeah, the reason there's a Hiatus is because all of those
ones I did in January, I did more in January than I did all
in all of last year and I've just been exhausted and
obviously my day job, I needed to attend to.
Yeah, so yeah, so the be plenty coming but bear with me, please.
Excellent. Excellent.
Well yeah I mean I've been doing
this one a week every week for over a year now and I'm thinking
maybe when I get to about episode 100 which will be
probably March next year. God willing from still?
No, I've done it wrong. I didn't realize until other
podcasts that during the calling it season one and season two.
So you just record 6 and then have a couple of months off.
Announced season 2. So the sodajerker of made the
same mistake, they're still on season one and they're on about
500ml, I'm still on season one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Apparently that's the way it's a few people have advised that but
only after people started using that very good technique which
sadly is too late. Now, so people, people are very
good, actually listen to this because they are kind of
patient. They are aware that.
They're not like a weekly thing. I did try and do it through
lockdown. Hmm.
It's just take so long to do but I'm hoping I'd rather spend the
time and hopefully make them good to them.
Just totally pumping, totally, absolutely because obviously,
because that would come across if it's just if it's just like a
assembly line then then people people can hear that.
Can they what? Chris, thank you very much for
speaking to me today about about this about goons in general.
When it's been a pleasure to have you here.
And I look forward to During the fruits of your future, Ed pod
episodes and come back and see us sometime.
Thanks very much, Tyler, really enjoyed it.
Thanks again to Chris. Thank you for listening.
I will see you next week. I won't see you but you'll hear
me next week until then take it Easy by