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Over the hill Spike Milligan 
script Terrence Alan Milligan. 

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That's his real name. 
Here's Alan Milligan. 

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Over-the-hill comic, 873 oap has
the reticulate. 

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This hiatus hernia and piles. 
Take three calendars, tablets a 

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day and several glycerin 
suppository. 

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No, media success, since the 
Goon show can Not stand 

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Blackadder, he is desperate for 
his own Series. 

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Has tried many ways to get back 
into the BBC. 

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Hello and welcome to goon pot. 
It's bit of a lengthy 

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conversation. 
This week, I'm joined by a 

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fellow podcaster and someone 
whose voice has been aware of 

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for over 10 years. 
It's meds from the waffle on 

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podcast, which is a film and TV 
podcast, which has been going 

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for Many, many, many, many, many
years, and podcast, which I've 

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been a fan of for God knows how 
long and meds came on to talk 

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about Spike and a particular 
documentary. 

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But to be honest with you, the 
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talking about anything and 
everything music films TV 

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actors, all sorts. 
And so it was a bit difficult to

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know where exactly to drop into 
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purposes of this podcast. 
It's join the conversation, 

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where, where we've been talking 
me and meds been talking about 

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the film Mona, Lisa, and which 
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about the actor. 
Michael Caine. 

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What? 
What's your favorite cane film 

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of all time? 
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because I love get car. 
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You know what? 
I'm gonna go man, who would be 

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king? 
That's probably my second. 

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That's probably my second. 
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So, what's your, what's your, 
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It's it's got a I've become 
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years. 
Through reach through 

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re-watching, it, even though. 
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Absolutely, yes. 
It's like, I've been with that. 

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I do some I'll give you if you 
too many said water. 

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I would, I know somebody a grown
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grown, man, who watched loose 
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Never seen it before and was 
fooled, but I'm really. 

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Yeah. 
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when he wasn't seen him, but he 
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through. 
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you know, the you know what, 
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because it means he was totally 
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it's like there's nothing wrong 
with that, that's brilliant 

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because the fact that it is 
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than, you know. 
Also, you know what was going 

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on? 
Somebody's I know what's going 

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on, because if I have such a 
irritating habit of, when I was 

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younger, I had my Bible was 
halliwell's film guy and I 

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adored it was no, you can't get 
them anymore, Mannix amount of 

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films but I would, I would go 
through the book and I would 

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underline everything. 
I'd starve everything and I'd 

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make notes of everything. 
That's why my knowledge of film 

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is really that button or 
knowledge of generally anything 

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else and you know he's shit. 
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know everything and anything 
about only because I adored that

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book. 
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you've got like Wikipedia and 
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which is a big chain. 
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looking everything whilst I'm 
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I think it is a bit annoying but
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nothing about a bit like usual 
suspects, let's let's say that 

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or even six cents, right? 
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I I didn't get, I sat in the 
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get it at all. 
Be the film and live the very 

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end you know the Revelation in 
six cents and you go oh man and 

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then you think I can't wait to 
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Look out. 
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guaranteed, you're going to have
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films and Usual Suspects that 
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when he suddenly starts walking 
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Unfortunately I don't feel like 
I know you sure that bad we 

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can't talk about anymore. 
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Yeah. 
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watch this bit like my family's 
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Yeah, I used to love. 
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boys and really don't just get a
bit to sleuth, by the way. 

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What I'm sure, you know, this, 
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between sleuth and The Smiths? 
Slough from The Smiths, the 

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band. 
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I'mi'm a, I hate the smell of 
the oh, no, I despise us. 

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Okay, well, I appreciate the 
voting. 

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Yeah, you know, I appreciate the
lion but it just sends very good

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got, and you can tell us. 
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about, you know, one of their 
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The song This Charming, Man. 
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Laurence Olivier directly, out 
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Oh, in sleuth, he Is he calls 
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jumped-up. 
Pantry boy, who never knew his 

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place. 
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All yeah, that's good on. 
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inserts it into the lyrics of 
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pantry boy who doesn't know his 
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I always on a stag, do in 
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me My is legit Brisbane and we 
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And we had this conversation 
about me because he's a man, 

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he's a massive music, not, he 
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about music, you know, it he's 
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than me, but he still has the 
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And he, he said, I love the 
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old debate about the pros and 
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just going up and visible, you 
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And we went to a no, this is a 
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nightclub I am not joking you. 
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person in that club was wearing 
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I was like what the hell's going
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these Morrissey faces because it
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one knew and it was like, yeah, 
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Well, there's not, I was funny 
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beers. 
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like, an idiot with some lupins,
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and we'll listen that we've got 
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If that story years ago 
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London somewhere and he you know
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Morrissey but he can be a bit of
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decided I think somebody within 
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eating a ham sandwich in my 
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refused to turn up on stage. 
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exaggerating but for some reason
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wasn't going to perform and 
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the audience that night there 
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and his very good friend, 
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good friend, David Williams and 
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audience were going crazy angry 
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perform. 
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on stage and try to Entertain, 
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Yeah, let's just say bottles of 
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quickly. 
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I am a bit of a fan of Jonathan.
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come from the The the have known
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and showing you. 
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still one of the best film 
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wasted not doing film reviews 
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watching his program. 
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for going by and place. 
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brilliant. 
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Jonathan Ross, the warm side of 
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Comic Collector, you know. 
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Williams. 
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him. 
James called anomalous. 

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If that Talent, that's my hell. 
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I couldn't imagine anything 
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them are got faces, you want a 
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And also I think that all 
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pretty untalented people with 
great representation but there 

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you go. 
You go. 

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That's quite you know some 
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Yes. 
We'd be on that. 

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I'm fair, you know yes I hope I 
hope that their lawyers. 

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Don't listen to this podcast. 
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I got no. 
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yakking. 
We've been yeah. 

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And this is going pod. 
Hello, and welcome. 

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If anyone is listening to this, 
for the first time you put me 

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not listening anymore. 
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time, this is called cars where 
we talk about anything that has 

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even even a passing goon 
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So that would include the Life 
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because spikes and yeah, out 
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And as you can hear I've been 
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on the table time here. 
And I started, listen to 

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podcasts relatives. 
I've said this before in the 

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podcast, I had started listen to
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of late late notes. 
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Sort of 2008-2009 things like 
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heroin podcast. 
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podcast, and I discovered early 
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it was because I was searching, 
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in that. 
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In the day and I'm searching for
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Steptoe and Son, don't ask me 
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searching for Steptoe and son 
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came up, and it was Waffle on. 
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you did an episode. 
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one of the two hosts of waffle 
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The podcast. 
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be here. 
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been going for 12. 13 years is 
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dawned on me at all. 
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Well, the start someone in 
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Another all that. 

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Don't that don't work. 
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skip a month because we both on 
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We've been doing it since then. 
It seems to have gone really 

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quick, I don't know if you find 
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and because you specialize in 
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Goon Show members of the goons 
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stuff that obviously, you're 
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listeners where, you know, 
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they adore the people involved 
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beautiful velvet velvet, you 
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But we were doing the TV shows 
we had really, you know, because

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I mean, we're kind of like in 
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Hmm. 
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know, the TV and films and then 
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Famous people come along and 
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big fan of the, some podcasts I 
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Murray is one movies History 
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McFadden's podcast, a bad start 
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then suddenly all these famous 
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it's so hot. 
It, you know, we don't get 

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registered anything but the one 
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films now and we we do 1973 this
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overhearing us in a pub talking 
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Not not 100. 
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all That kind of stuff. 

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absolutely love your podcast, 
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your Peter Sellers one. 
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remember your guests. 
I am. 

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I was learning. 

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I thought I knew a lot about IBS
Ella's, I didn't know anything. 

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subjects, you know. 
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Oh God. 
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And also best thing for hell. 
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Holly's that that and The Taking
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today because as I say, One of 
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and to take in a while. 
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about something to do with Spike
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So as we're recording this, 
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2012, Three. 
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since the teenage Terrence Alan 
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younger, brother Desmond, and 
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second-class ticket or tickets 
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the Old Country. 
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young Terence had never been to 
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through books or or family 
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underwhelming and a real shock 
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relative privilege in India. 
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time to become known as Spike 
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Thank you degree. 
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What's your what's your history 
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Once you're grown up, you can't 
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You cannot have grown up in this
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running into spike in some 
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So what's your history with 
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Well, this is the thing you say,
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and forwards of what for me to 
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because I know that people know,
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Came through Monty Python. 
I've been dedicated Monty Python

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fan, since probably the age, 
everything seems to leave me. 

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Everything seems to come about 
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I don't know what he is, where 
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everything, that my memories 
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was always on our TV and mean, 
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really like Monty Python, you 
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used to like and of course 
that's somewhere. 

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Like the kiss of death, when I 
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and they started talking about 
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They talked about. 
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films is well. 
I knew Peter Sellers from. 

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early pictures of peda, he's 
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disparaging, but he doesn't look
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because he's quite a chubby kid,
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chiseled and quite, you know, 
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all, but I went to Birmingham 
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and you could hire records from 
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tracks because the other stuff 
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Hancock, you know, is a 
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like the best of BBC comedy or 
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remember taping it and I just 
afraid you. 

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So it was actually through Monty
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spike on on these, these 
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because the Q series was a 
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that time was then seen Spike on
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company and Russell hearty 
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this documented to be talked 
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credibly old. 
I thought I did how old is this 

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about 20, 22 years old, you 
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got the enthusiasm and a real 
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because if he's like 28 years 
old but he looks like he's about

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80. 
Hmm. 

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And then I recognized him life 
and Brian oh no. 

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buying stuff. 

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The goons are like getting the 
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from HMV and stuff and really 
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more like Kenneth Williams stuff
and all those kind of things. 

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And I had, I could see. 
And fair play to python. 

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They always are Knowledge spike 
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do they never? 
They never hit that. 

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They never hit it. 
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and they really was happy when 
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Tunisia and, you know, agreed to
do the Cameo, which was meant to

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be in longer, but he got bored 
of the film, and I just walked 

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off and that's the reason why 
he's only in that bit because he

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got bored and just so I'm bored,
I'm walking up, you know. 

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Let us pray. 
Yay. 

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To us like the seeds of the 
grave. 

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I've also like, like many of us.
I think I'm going to, I don't 

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mean is to seyn like is 
glorifying the horrors of War, 

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but I've always been very 
fascinated in shell shock 

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victims and the stuff. 
What happens when people suffer 

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from, from PTSD and all that? 
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gone through such a terrible 
thing. 

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We need was in the war I kind of
find it more interesting. 

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Student because this I don't 
think. 

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Somebody says, any stock 
eventually a whole album of you 

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says it about, you know, the 
difference between genius and 

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the Halo of things I can make 
here. 

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You know, we probably wouldn't 
have had the spike that we know 

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if the what happened to him 
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would have had a really good 
jazz Trumpeter. 

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I've been with I think we would 
have seen that. 

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I think I maybe even a painter, 
I could see that but I don't hit

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me with that at the comedy 
because Darkness does bring you 

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know to cure Darkness. 
A lot of time is in comedy. 

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And as I got more fascinating 
and then started reading his 

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stuff, you know, and and and I 
find I find his stuff like his 

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poetry, especially dark. 
Poetry really enjoy. 

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I don't have any favorite ones, 
but I just find that really 

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interesting it and the more I 
knew it, the more I got older, 

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the more I kind of didn't I 
don't want to say I didn't like 

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him because that would be wrong 
because I really do but there 

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was something that unnerved me 
about him and this documentary 

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actually kind of really kind of 
solved. 

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A lot of the Them the thoughts I
had about him because I'd known 

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stories of what Peter Sellers 
had said. 

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And I mean, and and bless bless 
how he seek him. 

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You know, I don't think how 
could anybody say you can say 

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it. 
But it's concise some bad stuff 

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about Peter Sellers because he 
was a lousy father. 

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Wasn't a particularly nice 
person but a comedy genius. 

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You can't say anything bad about
how he so you come at all. 

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You know, you can't the same be 
Marco benteen, really? 

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But we Spike, there was 
something that was quite 

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unnerving and I think they 
mention it in His documentary 

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where even his own daughter 
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times when you didn't know, you 
know, why he was going to be 

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like if you didn't get the 
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did there's no warnings that 
week then he would be in a 

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terrible mood. 
But this what's great about this

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documentary was kind of like 
help me out from when I from 

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falling in love with him in the 
late 70s. 

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Is you find out the reason why 
he was like he was and I just 

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think it's such a beautifully 
made thing but and to answer 

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your answer your question, Now 
waffled on now. 

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It was purely food poison. 
He was Full Monty Python, okay? 

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So what we're talking about 
today is well, everything 

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everything, but let me put it in
a bit of context so last year 

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despite Millions family opened 
his archive to selected fans and

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friends. 
Hmm. 

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And thus, we got on Sky arts in 
December last year. 

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The 75-minute documentary Spike 
Milligan, the Unseen archive and

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and this documentary took us on 
a journey through as archive, 

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which includes 14 photo albums. 
79 box, files, 48 boxes of film.

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I believe 244 reel-to-reel tapes
and we see some some of the 

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labels. 
On some of those real Trail take

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boxes. 
And that means sort of salivate 

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over those. 
There's this recordings of the 

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Goon show. 
There's there's all sorts of 

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there's unpublished and 
unperformed, novels and scripts 

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from his later years, there's a 
heap of scrap books. 

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And, and one of the things that 
we learn from this film is that 

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Spike was a meticulous 
archivist, and, and chronicler 

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of his own history because 
there's there's at least eight. 

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Eight. 
I counted eight leather. 

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Bound. 
Volumes of Milligan family 

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history. 
Oh yeah. 

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What was that going back from 
eighteen eighteen ninety or 

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something? 
Somebody 1883 or something? 

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Yeah. 
And all these detailed 

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scrapbooks and albums and albums
that outlining his wartime 

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experiences that he's put 
together with photos and 

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hand-drawn maps. 
And, oh, that's beautiful. 

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That is and there's, there's I 
mean, we're going to touch on 

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all these of course, but doesn't
bark box files with letters. 

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As correspondents and and just 
random memories that, he's 

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written down a Bits of Paper and
put in these box files because 

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in one in one of these there's a
there's an envelope containing, 

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a small child's toy. 
I'll see that which that's 

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Joanna. 
Lumley. 

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Opens it up, isn't it? 
Yeah, so he discovered this 

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small toy, which was one of his 
children's toys, which had 

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discovered long after dead. 
Put away such things in grown 

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up, I guess. 
And and he put it in an envelope

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and he wrote on the envelope, 
you know, the discovered it in, 

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you know, in a garage or 
something and he said it reduced

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him to tears. 
It's I think it's he finds it in

447
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,900
the overgrown Garden of that 
house, which is the first house 

448
00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:46,200
that I bought. 
Yes. 

449
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,000
And he go. 
You must just, you must have 

450
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,500
just kept. 
It was just owned it because I 

451
00:25:49,508 --> 00:25:51,900
dog moved away to a different 
place was wearing any, he went 

452
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,000
back there, which is searching 
for memories, isn't it? 

453
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,000
Psychologically and to find 
that, you know, the realization 

454
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,800
of, you know, he's children and 
that's that comes out a cost 

455
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:08,200
quite a bit through this 
documentary of how he regrets 

456
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,100
his I think he regrets his 
Mental Illness but he can't help

457
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:13,500
that. 
So he's being a bit hard on 

458
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:15,900
himself. 
Now whether some of it was his 

459
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:19,500
own, his own ignorance, maybe it
could well be, but the way that 

460
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:23,300
he's it's Winnie looks at old 
photographs of his children and 

461
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:25,300
it's not his fault. 
Because he, you know, he's wife 

462
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:29,500
left him and I can kind of 
understand why but he's the one 

463
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,800
who know she says, no, you look 
after them, you've got the 

464
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,000
money, which is so you have to 
question her motives little bit 

465
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,100
on her, but how he takes? 
It takes a man. 

466
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:41,600
But, they look so unhappy. 
I think I just like normal kids 

467
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,500
are done when I had to 
photograph taken, but he sees 

468
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:46,500
something in those eyes and that
must have demos been 

469
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:48,800
heart-wrenching for him to look 
back and think, I think we all 

470
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,700
do. 
I mean to say, I don't know you 

471
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:54,000
have children or anything, but 
it's my daughter's coming up to 

472
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:57,500
14 this year. 
And I know it's a Trope to say 

473
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,400
because loads of people have 
said it how time goes so quickly

474
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:05,600
but it really doesn't and I 
don't have fact that she will 

475
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,000
I'm sitting in my office here 
that I've got photograph albums.

476
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,400
Now that I'm doing scrapbooks 
about load of scrap books to 

477
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,300
left in me and I've gotten 
printed all these photos out 

478
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,900
that we've had on phones. 
We've had on this because you 

479
00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:19,300
know when we were younger you 
and and I'm sure a lot of your 

480
00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:20,800
listeners will have done this as
well. 

481
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,200
You know, we have photo albums 
and you take some photos and you

482
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,500
never knew what was going to 
Matt from the development thing,

483
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:29,100
you know, and then, but these 
days you could take about eight 

484
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:31,700
pictures of the one thing and it
stay on your phone and no one 

485
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:34,400
gives a shit about it. 
And then I thought to myself and

486
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,500
it dawned on me and I was 
watching these, especially not, 

487
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:39,200
you were saying all these albums
that guy's the archives that 

488
00:27:39,208 --> 00:27:42,500
he's kept yourself how important
it is for you to put them in. 

489
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:46,800
Because, you know, we've all got
our parents is, you know, 

490
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,500
photograph arms, that 
grandparents photograph albums 

491
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,100
and they mean something to us 
because you could look back 

492
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:55,700
because they're not here for Us 
to for them to tell us those 

493
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:58,600
stories. 
And this whole house is Steven's

494
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,900
house and Gardens in. 
Finchley is a pure record of 

495
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:06,700
comedy and also a man's life 
that we're never going to meet. 

496
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,800
We're never going to know him. 
But through this and I 

497
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,100
understand the fact that was 
white. 

498
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,300
So it would they only open it 
for friends and family because 

499
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:16,400
you don't want all in bloody 
sundry going in there, but how 

500
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,900
important it is to have this 
archives? 

501
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:21,300
And that's like we've marked 
with Marco piling blessing who 

502
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:23,600
sadly lost. 
He's lost his wife yesterday, 

503
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,200
which is Just so sad with you 
hadn't. 

504
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,300
Yeah. 
And but he's always, I adore, 

505
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:31,500
he's diving, he's, you know, and
I hope he brings another one out

506
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:34,700
because it's a part of his life,
you know, and he's part of 

507
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:37,100
spikes life and it's so 
important to have these 

508
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:40,400
treasures and that little toy, 
you know, that this little toy 

509
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,400
and I wondered what it was going
to be, and I think it's like, is

510
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,500
he like a little horse and 
carriage or something? 

511
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:48,600
Incredible, isn't it? 
And you think any you think 

512
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800
these are memories that? 
I just so you know shooting back

513
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,900
to him and the fact that he put 
it in an envelope boat on the 

514
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,400
envelope. 
And when Joanna Lumley opens 

515
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200
that envelope will be even, she 
gets stoked by, you know, it's 

516
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,200
amazing. 
Yeah. 

517
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,900
Yeah, you mentioned Diaries. 
We know where we have all read 

518
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:08,300
the Kenneth Williams diaries. 
Oh, and ya know, that they 

519
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:11,800
entail. 
Now, as far as I know Spike 

520
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,100
didn't keep a diary, but if he 
had regularly to the extent that

521
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:20,300
Williams did, could you imagine 
the spike Milligan Diaries being

522
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:24,100
published at what fireworks, 
they'd sit off, you know, I I 

523
00:29:24,108 --> 00:29:26,900
mean, if they would be 
absolutely amazing, wouldn't I? 

524
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:29,800
I mean it's like I've just 
started really reading the Alan 

525
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,000
Rickman Diaries literally today.
I did just, before we talked, I 

526
00:29:34,008 --> 00:29:35,900
thought I'm going to just sit 
down and chill out for a bit and

527
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:40,300
and because I'd heard that he's 
he can be quite cutting and he's

528
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,800
in his diary, you know, and I 
think that's the everyone 

529
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,200
forgets that a diary is 
basically your feelings on that 

530
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,400
day but necessarily what you're 
going to feel like tomorrow, you

531
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,100
know, and Kenneth Williams one 
knees. 

532
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,500
It's quite what it again, that's
another website in one because 

533
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,800
this isn't, this is a comedy 
genius, who simply couldn't 

534
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:05,200
couldn't allow himself to be 
guy, you know, he couldn't allow

535
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,200
himself to just enjoy his life, 
even simple things like, you 

536
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,900
know, cooking. 
He, you know, he kept everything

537
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:15,100
under that she's literally 
cellophane on his cooker and and

538
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:17,200
all that, and it's such a sad 
thing. 

539
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,400
So I think spikes would be 
possibly Really depressing but 

540
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,600
really depressing, you know, 
because we know him for in again

541
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,300
going back to this documentary, 
you know, and I'm sure it's been

542
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,400
reported before but we enjoy his
comedy. 

543
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,200
We enjoy the city in this of the
goons. 

544
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,600
The absurdity of it all the 
silly voices in it when you're 

545
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,300
younger and you're thirsty the 
goons. 

546
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:40,800
You don't really listen to The 
Comedy. 

547
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,200
You didn't to the silly voices, 
you know? 

548
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,100
And you try and work out who's 
apart from Seeker, you know. 

549
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:46,800
It's so you come. 
Yeah, you can tell you can tell 

550
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,000
in my mind off but you know 
Ulysses for the city Voices. 

551
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,600
But then when you realize how 
much he killed him right in the 

552
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,900
thing, you know and how happy 
was to get it recorded and and 

553
00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:59,400
that was the highlight of his 
day and then he knew that he'd 

554
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,700
have to start again on the 
Monday and then be an absolute 

555
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:04,900
hell for that week. 
You know, you can almost imagine

556
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:10,200
he's divers, just being pretty, 
pretty sad, really, but again, 

557
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:13,200
who wouldn't want to eat it? 
Now, if you ever do beat it, be 

558
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,700
sitting a lot of scores with 
people who he perceived as 

559
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:20,000
having wronged him that day or 
you know, someone look, To make 

560
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,700
it funny. 
Well that was your own 

561
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,200
unfortunate. 
That's the problem with manic 

562
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,600
depressive illness, isn't it? 
Where, you know everybody and 

563
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,700
also you clearly he suffer from 
from severe anxiety which is, 

564
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:33,300
you know, equally as upsetting 
where the fact that he would 

565
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:36,400
have mother gives her nephew's 
with Peter Sellers, who let's 

566
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,700
face it. 
You know, had him section. 

567
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:42,100
I can imagine, I'd love to read 
what he thought of him, I love 

568
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:46,800
to read that, that'd be 
brilliant, you know, so this 

569
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,500
documentary has got mmm, it's 
got the invariably. 

570
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,300
We it's got the, the Talking 
Heads, the, the celebrity 

571
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:58,500
friends and vans. 
Thankfully, thankfully done done

572
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,200
really well that. 
There they are. 

573
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,300
Actually there, and they are 
actually opening books. 

574
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:10,400
This is a treasure trove This is
the private property of Spike 

575
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,700
Milligan. 
Take corded actually system, 

576
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:19,300
spikes original recordings of 
the king shows, some, that's the

577
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:22,300
mighty Wurlitzer, the person who
shines for me. 

578
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:26,000
And he sees I think personally 
the, in his luck because as you 

579
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,700
obviously, you know, you've 
talked about the, the, the play 

580
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,300
Spike. 
But you can tell that he, he 

581
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:36,300
picks, I think he picks up the 
tape in his life, does he? 

582
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:40,100
Looks at something and he just 
However, whether he'd seen you 

583
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:42,800
before and he was already 
prepared, maybe it's TV, then 

584
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,600
the day, but he reels off a load
of information just by looking 

585
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,200
at this one couple of words and 
I thought. 

586
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,200
Yeah, you know, you know, any of
you wrote a play about spy but 

587
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:52,800
you know what you're talking 
about. 

588
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,900
Any actually, you know, really 
does look like as you know, 

589
00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:57,800
there's some of our money on 
that one, you know? 

590
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,100
But they're Lisa actually 
they're not talking about that 

591
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:03,200
one thing I can't stand about 
these documentaries, you get a 

592
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,400
lot of the time. 
He's gonna do the Talking Heads 

593
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,200
where they clearly just in a 
studio and some of them have 

594
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,800
been I told to say something 
they've been shown a clip of 

595
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,100
something and say, yeah. 
But say something wacky about 

596
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:15,300
it, you know? 
And it's like, ah, God returned,

597
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:17,900
you watch that when you were, 
you know, when you were young. 

598
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:18,900
Yeah. 
I mean, the only one, the only 

599
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:21,100
ones that have been doing some 
really good ones recently. 

600
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:22,800
I don't know if you've been 
watching him as been on Channel 

601
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,100
5 where they did one foot in the
grave. 

602
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,300
Oh yeah. 
That yeah. 

603
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:31,400
And what and let's face it the 
person you want to want to hear 

604
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,600
talking about one foot in the 
grave apart from The Wire is 

605
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:37,700
Richard Wilson. 
Yeah and Richard Wilson is are 

606
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:39,200
talking about All the way 
through. 

607
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,100
And so is Angus Deaton. 
You know, anything, that's how 

608
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:43,400
you do it. 
You know, you don't just have 

609
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,300
someone who is on Big Brother 10
years ago. 

610
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:48,600
So, you know, term and said, oh 
yes, I swipe Milligan. 

611
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,000
Yes, he was. 
Mmm, and we, you know, real 

612
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,400
something off at least with 
these documents that actually in

613
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,500
this Haze, which isn't a 
gorgeous house as well. 

614
00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:01,700
So, it is beautiful beautiful 
anyway, that I mean, was that do

615
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:03,800
you know for that it was owned 
by the family or that was given 

616
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,900
to the family or something? 
I'm not quite sure if that would

617
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:08,699
be inspect expensive in church. 
Ali. 

618
00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:11,000
I had Jane Milligan on plus 
year. 

619
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,100
Hmm, the show. 
And I've had elmarie, by the 

620
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:16,100
way, have you? 
Yeah. 

621
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,500
And I've got so many of your 
episodes to get food and, and 

622
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,199
David Quantic, who's also turns 
up in this documentary. 

623
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:23,900
He'd I'm a big fan of David 
Infante. 

624
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:25,600
I was a massive, the thick of it
fan. 

625
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:31,000
So he was an early supporter of 
this podcast, actually, in this,

626
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,100
he noticed the Twitter account 
early on and mmmm and I think he

627
00:34:37,107 --> 00:34:40,300
tweeted something like I'm very 
heartened to see that there's a 

628
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:43,100
podcast out there which is what 
about the Goon show or something

629
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:45,600
like that. 
And I contacted him and he came 

630
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,699
on but anyway, but now I speak 
to Jane last year quite early on

631
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:51,000
last year. 
And I think she was in the 

632
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,199
process of putting this archive 
together and sorting it out and 

633
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,700
I should have asked more about 
that but more about it, but I 

634
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:01,700
didn't at the time. 
Think about Ian Hislop, which 

635
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,800
intrigues me is that I've 
interviewed, I'm not interviewed

636
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,800
him, but I've had his writing 
partner Nick Newman. 

637
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,300
Ya sure. 
Hmmm. 

638
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:08,900
Who lovely guy neck? 
Yeah. 

639
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:14,500
And Nick kind of intimated that 
he did. 

640
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:18,800
He didn't say that in didn't 
like Spike prior to writing the 

641
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,300
play about Spike, but he said he
didn't say he was indifferent, 

642
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:25,300
he wasn't even indifferent 
towards by, but maybe he was a 

643
00:35:25,308 --> 00:35:29,500
little bit lukewarm about Spike 
Milligan before he actually sat 

644
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:33,600
down and started researching it 
spikes life for the Horizon, for

645
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,700
the purposes of writing the play
and listening to the gun show 

646
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,700
and yeah, and that sort of thing
and then he Really had a real 

647
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:44,700
damascene conversion I suppose. 
Yeah. 

648
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,300
And that kind of ties in. 
I had Lily barf on. 

649
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:51,900
As well last year and look at 
you name-dropping. 

650
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:57,900
Oh and clang. 
Sorry Louis knows Ian and some 

651
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:04,900
and told a story about years ago
being at a charity lunch 

652
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:08,500
somewhere. 
Yeah being sat next to spike or 

653
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:12,000
bit sets at the same same table 
as Spike or something like that.

654
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,500
I'm kind of hoping murder and 
Ian Hislop kind of walked up 

655
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:17,300
behind Louis. 
It sort of whispered in these 

656
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:21,100
are all bad luck bath. 
You know, he's he's hard work, 

657
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:23,900
cutting thinking of something 
like that. 

658
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:25,900
Yeah. 
So that would suggest that 

659
00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:28,500
Hislop was a bit you know a 
little bit ambivalent about 

660
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:30,200
Milligan before. 
Hmm. 

661
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,900
The and and that he's and he's 
found out so much about his life

662
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,600
and listen to the Goon show and 
being able to appreciate the 

663
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,000
genius of the man. 
I think that's I think that's 

664
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,900
probably got an awful lot to do 
with his journalistic background

665
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:44,600
as well. 
Especially we provide your eye 

666
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,500
coming from Peter Cooks. 
Of course, you know Lee, no 

667
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:51,400
pants at the end of the day. 
That I think he's lobbies very 

668
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,200
much and it's it's become a 
recurring joke. 

669
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,000
Now on, have I got news for you 
which is, I still like if I got 

670
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,500
news for you to be here mr. 
Times, but I still enjoy it, but

671
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:04,000
he kind of like he's very 
indifferent on a lot of things. 

672
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,900
And I get the impression with 
him. 

673
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:09,500
That is soon as he gets as you 
said there, you can see that as 

674
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:14,300
soon as he gets into something 
and understands it IE shows a 

675
00:37:14,308 --> 00:37:16,800
lot more interest I think when 
he doesn't understand it, or 

676
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,400
it's beyond him, shall we say? 
Yeah I think there's definitely 

677
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,000
a sort of like well why do I 
need to know you know and he's 

678
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,100
been a lot like that yet you 
know you questioned him on 

679
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:28,600
politics or anything to do with 
satire. 

680
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,000
You know you're going to get 
you're going to get a lot of 

681
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,900
information from him but I'm 
glad that you kind of got 

682
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:36,200
enthusiastic about it. 
You know, you seem very 

683
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:41,200
enthusiastic on this on this 
documentary and I I don't think 

684
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,100
they would have I could I could 
imagine the family being quite 

685
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:47,700
choosy who they invited to do 
this documentary. 

686
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,400
I kind of magic. 
If someone was a bit but it 

687
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,800
often but in absolutely the 
family are very fiercely 

688
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,200
protective and they've obviously
chosen carefully. 

689
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:59,800
Yeah, they invited to visit this
archive but the whole 

690
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,100
documentary. 
I was quite pleased to see that.

691
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:07,400
It wasn't a hagiography. 
Is that word? 

692
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,900
Yeah. 
Wasn't because there's there's a

693
00:38:09,908 --> 00:38:14,100
sequence where two of his 
daughters are interviewed Jane, 

694
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:19,300
of course, and and Seeley. 
Yes, and Seeley very much Each 

695
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:23,600
comes across as very speaks as 
she finds kind of person. 

696
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:26,900
Yeah. 
And I like that and she and she 

697
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:30,000
said that she was very open. 
She was very against what she 

698
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,800
called the racist element of 
her, some of her father's work. 

699
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:36,700
And she and she said, I want to 
say to Jane sometimes. 

700
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:39,700
Let's burn the lot. 
Yeah, I got that. 

701
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:42,300
I get when I first watched it, I
got angry about that. 

702
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,600
And when I watched it again, 
last night, I got angry about 

703
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,400
that you. 
I really did. 

704
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,600
Yeah, I really do. 
I really get angry about that 

705
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:54,100
because I got, mmm. 
I can understand why especially 

706
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,800
the fact that it because it's a 
family member and they created 

707
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,600
this. 
When I talk about Korean ships, 

708
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,100
aren't I? 
I think that the, this clip, 

709
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:03,400
that they show where he's got 
half of his face, he's white and

710
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,000
half of devices. 
He's a, he's Indian my daughter.

711
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,800
Watch that actually. 
She came downstairs and watch 

712
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,200
it. 
And she went oh, that's really 

713
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,000
clever. 
Now she could she she lives in 

714
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,800
modern-day Britain where we, you
know, and the nice one day 

715
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,600
Britain where we have multi 
culture and And I come from 

716
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,800
Birmingham. 
So we've always me and Caleb 

717
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,200
always said, he's coming from 
Birmingham. 

718
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,800
We know no different because 
we've always been brought up 

719
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,600
with Indian people. 
We black people with Chinese 

720
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,000
people who gay people, we've 
Irish it's, you know, we don't 

721
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,300
we don't know any differently 
it's to us it's you know, we've 

722
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:39,900
simply 9 I think because we know
we know no different but then 

723
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:42,100
she's the same you know might 
have written to that but she 

724
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,800
actually found it really clever.
The fact that it was a white 

725
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,600
person arguing with somebody of 
color and and the fact that 

726
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,200
they're doing it turn around She
likes it as an artistic point of

727
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,400
view and I thought I didn't want
to actually you thought I'm not 

728
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,800
going to, I'm not going to 
explain why people get upset by 

729
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,400
this because it's actually very 
clever thing to do. 

730
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,300
I can understand, maybe his 
daughter going. 

731
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:04,800
Oh, that's a bit touchy, but 
we've coming and chips. 

732
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,900
I can understand why. 
Is it showing a purely for the 

733
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:11,300
fact that, you know, he's dirty?
He's black top, you know, 

734
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:14,700
there's no question about that, 
but I often wonder because the 

735
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:17,400
writing is really good. 
The fact that I had some Chinese

736
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,000
speaking Chinese fight, right? 
Whoo. 

737
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:22,700
Let's fight Evo, Evo in sickness
and in health and he created out

738
00:40:22,707 --> 00:40:26,900
of garnet as the, some people 
say, oh he was he created that 

739
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:29,800
character just so that he could,
he could view the air, his views

740
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,800
for a character. 
I don't know you'll agree that 

741
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,100
at all and there's water. 
And also woman Mitchell, an 

742
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:39,400
incredibly intelligent man would
not apply that while anyway. 

743
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,200
And as he turned my many a time 
doing, someone went all through 

744
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,900
our groove yet, he's very good. 
No, you're missing. 

745
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,600
The point is, he's taking the 
piss out of you and the fact 

746
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,800
that Alpha always lost was a 
very important. 

747
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:51,700
I I think we've come in chips if
you'd have actually had an 

748
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:55,400
Indian actor playing that role, 
I think that would still be 

749
00:40:55,408 --> 00:40:58,800
played today because that 
character I don't know a lot of 

750
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,400
the episodes is only six I do. 
I've only ever seen Clips? 

751
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,000
I've never seen a full episode 
so I have to apologize for if I 

752
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,600
get anything wrong here but I 
think if you had an Indian actor

753
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,500
playing that role because he 
comes off, you know, you sure 

754
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:14,000
that thing in the bar where he 
corrects the guy on his 

755
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,100
geography, he wins. 
He wins that point. 

756
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,000
You know, and in that time 
anyway. 

757
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,300
I mean, let's face. 
It was a lot of racism in 

758
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:25,000
factories and offices and there 
was bureaucracy regarding that 

759
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,100
where people wasn't taking 
notice of it in that scene, 

760
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:30,500
there he wins. 
And I often wonder if that if 

761
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:33,300
he'd Roti and had somebody else 
play that part. 

762
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:37,100
An Indian actor, play that part.
I'm sure I'm sure it would still

763
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:39,800
be shown. 
Now, if anything comes saying, 

764
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,900
you know, look who's the idiot 
is in his factory, look who the 

765
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:44,300
big it is. 
Look who the idiot. 

766
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:45,900
You know, the loser is the low 
intelligence. 

767
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:49,000
One is the white guy, mekinese 
racist remarks, you know? 

768
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:52,800
And so to say I'll we should 
burn a DVD. 

769
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,700
I don't I just don't, I don't 
agree. 

770
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:56,000
I couldn't stand. 
Not showing it. 

771
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,400
No you know because it because 
you're going to Bingo arguments 

772
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,000
of if people who would people 
get offended for now, these 

773
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,800
days, people get offended for 
somebody else. 

774
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,400
I don't think I don't think 
spike is racist. 

775
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:10,600
I don't think I think schools 
the word racist in the sense 

776
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,600
that that's what people were 
saying. 

777
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,300
Much that people levity leveled 
against some of his work. 

778
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:17,800
But now I'm carrying chips is 
one thing. 

779
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,100
Melt the Melting Pot, I don't. 
Perhaps, you've seen the Melting

780
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,200
Pot, I haven't. 
No, no, that's pretty bad, but 

781
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,400
it was really our, but it, but 
it kind of it takes potshots at.

782
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,100
They are at every every 
minority. 

783
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,100
Those are dirty have a suppose. 
Yeah. 

784
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,200
But anyway, let's move on for 
them because it's but, but 

785
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:39,100
please look at these reel to 
Reels of goon show recordings 

786
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:42,700
and there's an interesting, he 
picks up one, that's got two 

787
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:46,800
shows on it from the from the 
eighth series of the Goon show. 

788
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,900
The Great British revolution and
Africans. 

789
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,300
Yes, and and on the but on the 
box that the tape is in, there's

790
00:42:55,300 --> 00:43:00,400
a big label and song for an is 
crossed out. 

791
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,600
Yeah. 
And then the, the names of the 

792
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,000
two goons shows and he's written
spikes written. 

793
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,700
Some comments about the shows, 
not on the Great British 

794
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:11,600
revolution. 
He's written good. 

795
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,800
But quiet end. 
Yes. 

796
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:20,400
And for Africa incident V good. 
But the Estado didn't record it 

797
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,000
all that brilliant. 
That may be last. 

798
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,100
So like that I did, it's why 
they didn't put it in, put the 

799
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:30,500
bastard of a starter, but even 
even his anger, he's quite is, 

800
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:34,700
it's silky, he's still laughing.
It is my theory as well is, I 

801
00:43:34,707 --> 00:43:36,100
gotta go. 
Bye Terry, because we know what 

802
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:39,600
sellers was like, for gadgets 
and recording the ask you, my 

803
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,700
theory is that sellers recorded 
this and actually purely on the 

804
00:43:43,707 --> 00:43:48,000
basis that his wife, sell his 
wife was called an and I just 

805
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,400
wondered whether sellers Had 
originally taped some song or 

806
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,200
recorded some song. 
Yeah. 

807
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,300
For his wife and Written song 
for an and then cross the cross 

808
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:58,700
that out and I wouldn't suppose 
you would it. 

809
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,600
It could pose some lovely tune 
on the piano for his darling 

810
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,100
wife and then let then taped 
over it with gun shows, that's 

811
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:07,500
that one. 
But that would sum up sellers 

812
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:09,800
pretty pretty aptly. 
I'd say yeah. 

813
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:17,500
I mean I think it really would. 
I love that Australian news 

814
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:20,500
footage from 1958, 8r the ABC 
News. 

815
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:23,500
Yeah and use. 
Do you deduce pick up? 

816
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,100
I just you see specie Spike 
there. 

817
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:30,300
Filming Spike getting off the 
boat as adults in wherever 

818
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:34,400
Sydney or whatever and he's 
interviewed then by a reporter. 

819
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Yeah and I got the impression 
Spike seem to be trying to put 

820
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,100
on a bit of a posh voice. 
I didn't buy any form of logic 

821
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:44,400
to the script. 
See right there is a compelling 

822
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,800
logic to it. 
Everything we write really Is 

823
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,500
absolutely logical. 
You cannot deny it mind you. 

824
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:55,200
What? 
We write the logic, we write 

825
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:00,100
might be, for instance, a man 
has to walk from here to there. 

826
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,800
I say to a man, I want you to go
over there now, he can go from 

827
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,700
here to there by going the 
opposite direction, right? 

828
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:10,500
The way around the world and 
arriving there, so logically he 

829
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:15,400
is done when I've said in The 
Logical sense, except that he's 

830
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,800
completely missed. 
The obvious point of walking 

831
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,100
straight across That's the 
simplest. 

832
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:22,900
Sort of example, I can give you 
this. 

833
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:26,700
There's a few times when you see
Spike interviewed specially, 

834
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:31,800
like in the 50s where he, he 
goes quite Colonial British. 

835
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,600
Hmm. 
Did I mean, and I think that's 

836
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,500
probably his could, well be he's
proper accent, you know, because

837
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:41,800
that's what you they would have 
spoke like in India. 

838
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,500
So it's kind of a kind of think 
he's, that could be his papa but

839
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:48,900
Papa voice because, you know, 
yeah, I think. 

840
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:52,500
His real voice, neither did any 
early days in the early days, 

841
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:55,600
until probably, he got more and 
more confident. 

842
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,400
I think that's his real. 
When I tell you what, I did know

843
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,800
is, you know, he's been 
interviewed on that table. 

844
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,100
Why is it? 
We've, he's gonna say really to 

845
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:06,800
take. 
I'm obsessed with hair. 

846
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:11,000
I don't know why, but he's got 
the early wise haircut. 

847
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,600
We're on the side, you know, 
normally with your hair, you 

848
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,900
kind of like your jewelry, 
Danielle, you draw it back, but 

849
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,000
for some reason, in the fifties 
and early sixties, they A 

850
00:46:19,008 --> 00:46:22,100
jewelry forward basil Rathbone, 
did it as well. 

851
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:25,000
I don't know why. 
He's so what you watch to get? 

852
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,000
It's the worst hairstyle in the 
world ever instead of like your 

853
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,800
joy, your hair back, they draw 
It Forward. 

854
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,400
Around the side. 
It's not like he's gone balls on

855
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,000
the sides or anything, but it 
just didn't have sat there 

856
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,400
looking at. 
Then why have you done that? 

857
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:38,800
It just looks awful. 
Well, I know I'm supposed to be 

858
00:46:38,808 --> 00:46:44,200
watching as we all know as 
Philip Larkin said sexual 

859
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,900
intercourse wasn't invented 
until 1963. 

860
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,600
Yeah, and that was when Men 
start, Doing the hair like that 

861
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,900
but then they're like, yeah, 
that must be it. 

862
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,400
But yeah, that is strike the 
whole Australian thing as well. 

863
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,300
I've been with the glad he's 
half hour, he's he's brilliant 

864
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:01,900
and he's like then brings that 
thing up because I thought when 

865
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:03,800
I first saw it, so I've never 
seen that before. 

866
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:05,900
I've never said, never knew 
anything about that. 

867
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:10,500
So see you next clip which is, 
you know, it's very funny, very 

868
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:14,300
funny, pretty badly filmed but 
really funny. 

869
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:17,600
Hello homicide here. 
Hello Homer. 

870
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,000
Uh-huh. 
This is Friday. 

871
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:26,100
Tomorrow's Saturday. 
Ha ha. 

872
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:30,500
But you said, ho ho ha ha, I'll 
be right over. 

873
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:37,600
Hello dr. 
Wily here and really no O'Reilly

874
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,200
old gag with a try and you know 
he's holding various things. 

875
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,800
Is this the phone company you 
know pretending to be a phone, 

876
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,900
it was the wrench that made me 
laugh. 

877
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:49,600
That was like what happened? 
That's my ticket but he's lost 

878
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,100
points. 
I that these are jokes, we see 

879
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,500
in 1980, when airplane comes 
out, its know, these are all the

880
00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:00,300
same jokes and you think one of 
the suckers must have seen this 

881
00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:05,200
footage or Because he's eating. 
Well, I maybe know someone's 

882
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,100
copied it because by its other 
Hitachi go inside that it's a 

883
00:48:10,107 --> 00:48:13,700
little bit. 
Too early, you know what I mean,

884
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:16,200
a little bit ahead of its time 
kind of stuff because someone 

885
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,600
might just not a goddamn 
thinking, why is this, why is he

886
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,100
doing that for? 
Or is it the fact that reaches 

887
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:25,300
you in especially in the 50s, is
probably still a little bit 

888
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,000
stiff? 
Upper lip e kind of thing yet. 

889
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,000
In Australia, it's probably 
there, probably get it a lot 

890
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,900
easier with more laid-back. 
Kind of point of view, you know,

891
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:35,300
thinking. 
Look at this silly Palm. 

892
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,200
I think I think it's more the 
thing of like that, get that 

893
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,500
human more because I adore like 
Australian and New Zealand. 

894
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:47,100
Comedy, one of my heroes, who 
was John Clarke, had dug their 

895
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:52,200
dad, who I got to know, right? 
Because I wrote a screw out to 

896
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,400
be careful what I say. 
But I wrote a script and I did 

897
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,800
the thing, you're not supposed 
to do by. 

898
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,900
I wrote the script with him in 
mind because I was a massive fan

899
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:06,400
of the games and I thought I'm 
going to, you know what, people 

900
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,100
tell you you can't send it out 
of Saudi. 

901
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:13,500
So I had his email address for 
his for These wise and so I'd 

902
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:15,900
sent it, I sent him an email 
saying, hey, John, you know, 

903
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:20,300
blah blah, and he got back to me
and he was everything, you hope 

904
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:24,200
absolutely everything you hope. 
And we had a one and a half year

905
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,700
email conversation. 
We got to know each other 

906
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:30,000
through that and he said, are 
you free to meet for a coffee? 

907
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,600
And I went not really, I'm in 
Britain. 

908
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,300
Anyway, alright, so I've sent 
him the script over. 

909
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:39,300
He really liked it but he said 
he couldn't commit because 

910
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:41,500
various things and he said that 
was probably a polite way of 

911
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:45,900
saying I'm saying, no, and our 
last communication was, you have

912
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:49,900
a good holiday and then he he 
had a heart attack when he was 

913
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:55,800
walking, but he appeared in a 
film called The Adventures of 

914
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:56,900
Barry. 
Mackenzie? 

915
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,600
Oh, yes. 
And British people will know the

916
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,200
actor who plays by Mackenzie is 
the guy who sings, The Neighbors

917
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:10,700
theme shoe, and of course, John 
appears in that film and Annie's

918
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:12,900
is in the Busan. 
The in the pub as everyone else 

919
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:16,100
is, I think that new zealanders,
they're not Australians in that 

920
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:17,800
they'll all virtually New 
Zealand's because I needed 

921
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,700
somebody who people who could 
kind of do an Australian voice. 

922
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:22,100
Yes. 
And to everybody around the 

923
00:50:22,107 --> 00:50:25,200
world, nobody knows knows, you 
know, a key will know the 

924
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,500
difference between and I was a 
and not even as it seems for the

925
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:29,100
Kiwi. 
But the rest of the world, don't

926
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:31,300
know that side if you're doing, 
but it's weird how those little 

927
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:34,400
comedy connections. 
Coming Spike spike was in The 

928
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,400
Adventures of Baron against yes.
Well, that was that was also 

929
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,800
with didn't less Patterson. 
Turn up in that actually buried,

930
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,200
blessing, Barry. 
Um, feet again. 

931
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,300
And we just recently, you know 
what beds becomes got spiking at

932
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:47,200
that film? 
You could, you could come back 

933
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,200
one day and took talk about 
Barry. 

934
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,400
McClay. 
That's not a bad idea, is it? 

935
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,200
I mean, it's a pretty crap film,
I gotta be honest, what am I 

936
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,700
good friends thought that 
Stanley Kubrick had directed a 

937
00:50:59,707 --> 00:51:01,100
film called Coupe. 
Barry. 

938
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:06,300
Mackenzie, what let's point out 
though, it was Barry Lyndon that

939
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:14,700
Kubrick Direct That he actually 
knew who Bobby Mackenzie was is 

940
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:16,200
oh no he wouldn't. 
He loves? 

941
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:19,100
He loves that kind of thing. 
Yeah, that no. 

942
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:20,400
But I mean we've all we've all 
done. 

943
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,500
Now you may be my worst son of a
bitch. 

944
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:27,100
My wife will and my friends, a 
lot of my friends are doctors 

945
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,600
item and so it about flowers, 
we'd all had quiets quite some 

946
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,700
drinks and art. 
I don't mind and said - I didn't

947
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:40,800
say it now I do you know what 
one I really like pansies and I 

948
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,200
really like O'Neill's. 
And they will just looked at me 

949
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,100
in a very weird way and no, I 
said perineum. 

950
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,200
Okay. 
So yeah, I realize I'd really 

951
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,100
like to have some parent hymns 
in my garden. 

952
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,100
He will just look to me going. 
Well and they're going, you 

953
00:51:57,107 --> 00:52:00,500
know, when we know what that is.
You don't know what you mean. 

954
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:04,200
You got Dawn, do it, on course. 
Now, that's it. 

955
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,900
Just like you. 
And you may, well, let that one 

956
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:09,700
lie. 40 years ago, you could 
have, you know, made a decent 

957
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:11,400
living writing scripts for 
Hilda. 

958
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,000
Can you thank you? 
Yeah, yeah. 

959
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:21,400
You never know the maybe time 
back to the documentary. 

960
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,600
Yeah, we're straying off was 
trying to mop. 

961
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Yeah. 
So there's a lot better. 

962
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,900
There's a lot about this is 
family and yeah, mentioned 

963
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:36,400
before there's a picture, quite 
a touching photograph of the 

964
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,400
young children, his young 
children and he's written 

965
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,100
underneath the photo. 
Watching television, their faces

966
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:47,900
and their sadness, haunt me. 
The innocent victims of adults, 

967
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:52,100
unable to come to terms. 
That is, it's so heartbreaking, 

968
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:56,300
isn't it? 
Because he's he saved and this 

969
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:57,900
is another great thing about 
this documentary. 

970
00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:01,200
The fact that they use audio 
types of him when he was talking

971
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,700
about for the bodies or devices 
while could be good to pulling 

972
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:06,000
scudamore. 
Yeah. 

973
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,600
And he's so open we have heard I
think that's absolutely 

974
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:13,700
brilliant but you know he blames
He's not afraid to blame himself

975
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:15,600
for the failure of his first 
marriage. 

976
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,100
You know. 
He must have been an absolute 

977
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:19,200
nightmare delivery, but the 
pressure was putting Under. 

978
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,000
And he as he says in the 
documentary, he's mad desire to 

979
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,900
be better than anybody else. 
You know. 

980
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:26,800
He's and and that has such an 
effect on it. 

981
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,700
And the fact that it up to up to
the point of his death. 

982
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:35,200
He the regret, he has four and I
got when I first saw this, I was

983
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,100
thinking, our man, that must 
have been his, his true love, 

984
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,600
you know? 
And it's not till later in the 

985
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,000
documentary, where You realize 
there was somebody else before 

986
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,500
or that, you know, and that it 
that's even more heartbreaking 

987
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:49,100
but that's towards the end of 
the documentary. 

988
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,400
It's yeah, but at the whole 
June, his first wife, the whole 

989
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,500
June Story is still quite 
Mysterious. 

990
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:05,300
Yeah, at least to me because 
yeah, they she left and he 

991
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,000
gained custody of the children. 
Hmm. 

992
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:11,300
Mother gave them over to. 
Yeah, I don't think she'd there 

993
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:12,700
was no confusion can test 
anything. 

994
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:15,100
I think it was. 
No, it was, it was consensual, 

995
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,500
but it kind of it seems like 
from what I've read and I might 

996
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,200
be wrong. 
Pletely wrong here, missing 

997
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,600
something, but from all the 
books over the years I've ripped

998
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:32,200
of read about I can want to hmm.
It doesn't seem as if June's 

999
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,500
children. 
So that's Laura. 

1000
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:38,100
See Les and Sean, he didn't seem
as if they really had any 

1001
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:42,600
contact at all with her. 
Well, the fact that they, it was

1002
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,300
only the daughters on the 
documentary, isn't it? 

1003
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:47,100
There's yes. 
Yeah, and the grandson grandson.

1004
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:49,300
Yeah, the grandson who seems to 
be in charge of the archive 

1005
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:53,500
which is quite lies to say they 
refer to her as June. 

1006
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Now, I don't know whether that's
because of the documentary 

1007
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,400
because he Had, you know, two 
other wives or the fact is 

1008
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,600
that's how they don't. 
They don't call a mum. 

1009
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,900
Yeah, you know, I mean it's just
June it, just maybe I'm 

1010
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:10,900
speculating Wilder here. 
Just feels like the children 

1011
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:13,800
never really had a hell of a lot
to do with her after after she 

1012
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,600
left because it seal a seal at 
one point in the documentary 

1013
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,100
says that she only found out 
relatively recently that that 

1014
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,600
her mother left when she was 22 
months old. 

1015
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,300
When seen, yeah, I mean that 
must have been heartbreaking for

1016
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:29,500
her, you know. 
Must have been, I wouldn't blame

1017
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:33,500
her for not, you know, going out
of the way to and I presume. 

1018
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,300
Yeah. 
When June would be dead by now, 

1019
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:36,800
but I don't know. 
Did he say? 

1020
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,900
When did you know when she 
passed away? 

1021
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:40,700
I don't even know if she is 
dead. 

1022
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:43,600
I mean, I'm assuming she lies. 
She must because she'd be over 

1023
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,300
100 now. 
And she now, yeah, especially so

1024
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:51,300
that's by. 
So I'm not holding any office or

1025
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:57,600
late 90s early 90s. 
But, but you see Spike's 

1026
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,100
biographer Paulie's scooter 
more. 

1027
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:02,800
She, she sent a list of 
questions. 

1028
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,100
We see a list of questions that 
screwed him or sent to Jew. 

1029
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:10,300
Yes in the 80s. 
Yeah, and you see June's repair 

1030
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:13,300
handwritten replies in. 
There's a real, there's a real 

1031
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:16,500
bitterness and her replies, even
if it's venomous is another, 

1032
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:21,800
we're especially when you she 
describes being pregnant and, 

1033
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,000
you know, can you take me to 
kind of Ward? 

1034
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,600
You expect me to do and you 
think well, was he just been? 

1035
00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:29,500
Beep. 
Mooji Wuzzy stressed because the

1036
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:32,300
work or was he in bipolar 
depression mode? 

1037
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,400
You know we don't know because 
that's the trouble with you 

1038
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,900
read. 
Someone's writings isn't it? 

1039
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:37,900
If it is so you know the word 
why? 

1040
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:41,700
And a text message could be so 
like why or why don't I mean 

1041
00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:44,400
there's different connotations 
of what it could mean but I've 

1042
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,500
not read that but to us the I 
didn't know anything about that 

1043
00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:51,300
biography until I watched this 
documentary so I'm quite 

1044
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:53,900
interested to to go out and get 
well once I've read all the 

1045
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:56,300
other stuff I mean I've got a 
pile of books over need to read 

1046
00:56:56,700 --> 00:56:59,300
but if you A good biography. 
Any sounds like she really did a

1047
00:56:59,308 --> 00:57:01,300
research in the fact that she 
interviewed Spike. 

1048
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:02,500
It's not one of these ones 
where. 

1049
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,600
Oh yeah, why I spoke to in 45 
minutes outside a bus? 

1050
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,800
Stop. 
If it's any good. 

1051
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,300
I think I might get it going. 
Hi, yeah, I had the paper back 

1052
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:17,000
of it when I was younger and I 
picked it up for a couple of 

1053
00:57:17,008 --> 00:57:20,600
quid on Kindle about six months 
ago, wide. 

1054
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,600
Okay, if you've got a Kindle, I 
don't know. 

1055
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,900
I do. 
I'm a bit Edwardian on that, I 

1056
00:57:25,908 --> 00:57:29,000
don't like indoors. 
I I'm not the only physical but 

1057
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,900
so he's one sitting in this room
surrounded by, you know, London 

1058
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:38,100
Library that. 
Yeah, you mentioned you liked 

1059
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:39,700
David Quantic. 
Who doesn't? 

1060
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:41,000
Who does gosh. 
Yeah. 

1061
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:45,700
And is it lovely bit where he's 
listening to a sock? 

1062
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:49,100
Because, because there's a 
little bit of footage of the 

1063
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:53,500
wedding Spike's wedding to Petty
in 1962, and George. 

1064
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:55,800
Yeah, of course, was spikes best
man. 

1065
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,200
Hmm. 
And a little bit about George 

1066
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,900
Martin and there's a recording 
that Spike can song that Spike 

1067
00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:07,600
composed and recorded in 1972 
called little Waltz for Jade. 

1068
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:11,100
Obviously for his daughter and 
I'm not quite sure. 

1069
00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:14,400
What did he did spite record 
that and then send it to George 

1070
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,200
Martin? 
Because yeah, yeah. 

1071
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,600
It's like yeah, it's good 
because he sighs, isn't he hiya 

1072
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,100
George? 
This is another another one for 

1073
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:26,600
you. 
It's sweet, isn't it? 

1074
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:36,300
Yeah, it's quite cute. 
It's gorgeous. 

1075
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,100
It has an otherworldly quality 
to it. 

1076
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:46,200
And it has that childish 
childlike quality, which is good

1077
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,200
for a waltz written for a child,
but also very typical of Spike 

1078
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:54,900
Milligan. 
That's all on this tape George 

1079
00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:00,700
The piano on the second one. 
My own one which is very dodgy 

1080
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:04,200
but it's a nice tune, isn't it? 
I wish someone would write me a 

1081
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,800
Flippin walls, so you get the 
impression that he was recording

1082
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,600
stuff and then posting it to him
to see what he said, he'd do. 

1083
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,800
But the thing, quantity, gotta 
decide that you often think that

1084
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,900
if it wasn't for Spike and 
George being such good friends, 

1085
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:20,500
and who doesn't like, who 
doesn't? 

1086
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:24,500
He cannot not like George my in 
the guy's a genius, you know. 

1087
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,100
And so is his son, I think he's 
Sonny is deeply gives a good, 

1088
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:31,800
but the fact that George, you 
know, when we spoke to do all 

1089
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,600
these kind of like see Eddie 
stuff and, you know, and we need

1090
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,000
win. 
George, mine did the Beatles. 

1091
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,100
He was not well-known producer 
at all. 

1092
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:43,300
He was, you know, almost not 
look down upon, but he was like,

1093
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:45,300
yeah. 
Give him that word because we 

1094
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:48,700
don't want to do. 
It was almost punishment for ya.

1095
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,300
Having an extramarital affair, 
isn't it? 

1096
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:54,300
Yeah, yeah, I guess so. 
Yeah. 

1097
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,700
We've we've all that kind of 
silliness and and that and the 

1098
00:59:58,700 --> 01:00:01,200
context says he where you 
wouldn't have had all those 

1099
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,300
silly things in to be or songs, 
which I know, I know there was a

1100
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:07,000
bit of a difference of people 
who like the early Beatles to 

1101
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,900
the later bills but the whole 
idea with less one that 

1102
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:12,200
backwards. 
Let's let's just have like, you 

1103
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,700
know, cranberry sauce kind of 
thing going on in the 

1104
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:16,300
background. 
You know, all that kind of stuff

1105
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:19,500
would would George of had those 
those little bits of 

1106
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:23,200
installation and gone with the, 
the beetle sense of humor, if 

1107
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,800
you hadn't have worked with 
Spike, you know, I don't think, 

1108
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:26,700
I don't think he would have 
done. 

1109
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:30,000
I think seen for working-class 
Lads from Liverpool. 

1110
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,800
We've quite a cheeky sense of 
humor. 

1111
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:36,800
And possibly also into, you 
know, into the goons as well, he

1112
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,200
got it, he got his to Iowa and 
he got he because he worked 

1113
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,700
through Spike, you know, and 
that to happen was his best man,

1114
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:43,300
as well. 
They must have had a really good

1115
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:46,100
relationship. 
Someone who wasn't theorized 

1116
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:52,900
someone either on this show or a
friend of mine is theorized that

1117
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,200
Spike. 
Obviously they were, he was 

1118
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,500
friends with George Martin but 
he possibly ask George to be his

1119
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:02,900
best man. 
Because he was Spike was going 

1120
01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:05,500
to be meeting his his in-laws 
for the first time. 

1121
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,200
Hmm. 
On the wedding day. 

1122
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:11,400
Oh boy, that leads. 
Okay, up in Leeds and he had to 

1123
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:16,400
travel all the way up to leads 
and the theory being that 

1124
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:21,200
someone with the bearing and the
Posh voice that George Martin 

1125
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:26,300
had might impress impress them 
in-laws, who might be a little 

1126
01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:29,700
bit dubious at hurt their new 
son-in-law. 

1127
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,600
Yeah. 
Yeah, maybe some music and then 

1128
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,900
that, that you could actually 
say that, I mean, Patricia is 

1129
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:38,800
quite important. 
I think I got the impression 

1130
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,000
was, was really quite important 
to to spike. 

1131
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,100
Yes, especially the fact that 
she passed away from cancer, so 

1132
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:46,700
they didn't split up or anything
like that. 

1133
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:49,200
I mean, I'm sure there was stuff
that went on in, but we can only

1134
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,700
go by what the what, the what 
the documentary tells us, you 

1135
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:56,500
know? 
But he definitely seems to have 

1136
01:01:56,500 --> 01:01:58,500
wanted to make this work. 
And it's probably because the 

1137
01:01:58,508 --> 01:02:01,900
fact that his first marriage I 
work and he probably understood 

1138
01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:06,700
more of himself at this point as
opposed to still learning who he

1139
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:11,100
was, when he was a lot younger. 
Welsh each Patty Patricia. 

1140
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:15,500
She knew that she was taking on 
3-3 children, ready-made 

1141
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:18,400
children. 
Yeah which which gives just also

1142
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:23,800
goes to show not only a 
legitimate love for Spike but 

1143
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:28,700
also the how much of a strong 
woman she was as well because 

1144
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:31,600
it's not it can't be easy. 
To go into something like that 

1145
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,500
as well. 
I mean I'm you know, I'm sure 

1146
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:38,200
anybody who has joined a 
marriage where you've got 

1147
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,100
children. 
It's, it's always a very hard 

1148
01:02:40,100 --> 01:02:42,900
thing to up presume, I don't 
know, but I'm only guessing now 

1149
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:45,500
you must be quite hard to do 
because you'd always going to 

1150
01:02:45,508 --> 01:02:48,400
have that thing of somebody 
throwing the, you're not my real

1151
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,600
mom, or you're not my real dad 
routine at. 

1152
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,100
Yeah. 
And, and to take that on the 

1153
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:56,700
chin must be hard, but I did it.
I have it automated Malaysian 

1154
01:02:56,700 --> 01:02:59,800
for and clearly spoke did as 
well as I do. 

1155
01:03:01,100 --> 01:03:03,200
Again, we can only go by the the
documentary. 

1156
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,900
We're talking about the kids 
seem to have had a lot of time 

1157
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:08,000
for as well. 
Oh, yeah, absolutely. 

1158
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,700
You know, I'm real a real lot of
time with her, you know. 

1159
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:16,500
Yeah, I question whether that, 
that followed on with the third 

1160
01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:18,500
wife, Sheila. 
I'm not quite sure about. 

1161
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:22,200
I have that. 
Well, yeah, you want my opinion.

1162
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,900
Now, we're doing away before we 
get onto that. 

1163
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:32,000
Hmm, we have a few Because 
obviously there's a number of 

1164
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,100
episodes of Q5 that are missing.
It's a lot. 

1165
01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:38,100
Yeah, because it's great to see 
the graffiti from the beer 

1166
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:42,000
fighter knob. 
Whoo, he's well-known in TV 

1167
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,900
circles. 
As one of the people who go 

1168
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:46,900
searching for wipes and last 
episodes of stuff, and being a 

1169
01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:49,700
doctor who fan, you know, anyone
else there. 

1170
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:52,800
And that's another connection to
spike Milligan, which, I've 

1171
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,500
first really kind of took knows 
the spike was, the, it's they'd 

1172
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:58,900
shown on loads of Comedy clips 
where the doll it comes in with 

1173
01:03:58,900 --> 01:04:01,500
the handkerchief on its head. 
Ed, you know, a lot of Doctor 

1174
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:03,500
Who Peter is my goal, funny 
about that. 

1175
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:06,000
I didn't, I thought that was one
of the best things I've ever 

1176
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,300
seen in my life. 
Comedy and Doctor Who mix 

1177
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:10,900
together the same with John 
Cleese and Elena Elena bomb, 

1178
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:13,600
turn up in the Tom Baker, 
episode talking about how the 

1179
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,700
Tardis, he's like a piece of art
and then he dematerialize, you 

1180
01:04:16,700 --> 01:04:19,300
know, I love that. 
I love that all the time. 

1181
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:21,800
So Spike Milligan with a 
darling, you know, as a Dalek 

1182
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:24,900
he's after I bet he was in that 
Dalek as well. 

1183
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,100
Come on very much. 
Yeah, I mean, he's searched for 

1184
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:31,600
the Lost episode. 
So Z, you know, I didn't realize

1185
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,200
how many of qu fibers missing 
for I think he said, yeah. 

1186
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,300
I mean, I've got the complete 
while the almost complete Q on 

1187
01:04:38,300 --> 01:04:39,800
DVD. 
And there's, yeah, I think 

1188
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,400
there's three this maybe three 
episodes coming early episodes 

1189
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,900
of Q5 on that. 
So yeah, there's for setting. 

1190
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:53,000
So that box is like the total 
theme for 969 29, 86 to 90 its 

1191
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:59,800
Q5 up to q9 and then yeah in the
80s Q10. 

1192
01:04:59,900 --> 01:05:02,800
In was known as there's a lot of
it about. 

1193
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:04,100
I'm fine. 
Okay. 

1194
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,900
It was, it wasn't called Q10, 
but it was cute and all, but 

1195
01:05:07,900 --> 01:05:12,800
name, if it does, he does, he 
kind of does it easy as he 

1196
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,000
warned? 
Well, because I've only seen, 

1197
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,800
no, no, no, I don't know. 
Let me know. 

1198
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,800
There's a lot to like there's a 
lot of funny stuff. 

1199
01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:23,000
If you watch all of them you 
can't watch them. 

1200
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,000
You can't binge-watched. 
You can't be legit. 

1201
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,800
Yeah, but later this year, I'm 
due to do a show. 

1202
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,600
About the best of Q. 
Now that was a video game came 

1203
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,700
out in the 80s. 
Right? 

1204
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,900
Yellow cover with Spike as 
Batman. 

1205
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:46,600
I think which is excellent and I
am so myself and a guest are 

1206
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,400
going to talk about that that 
VHS really the best of Q because

1207
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,700
that brings together. 
Yeah. 

1208
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:56,400
Some of the best stuff I think 
that's not been released on DVD 

1209
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:57,600
over me. 
So you're doing. 

1210
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,400
I don't think so. 
No, not not. 

1211
01:05:59,408 --> 01:06:03,100
As far as I know. 
I know so but yeah I mean you 

1212
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:07,500
know I find watching Q episodes 
of Q can be. 

1213
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:09,900
It can be a bit of a slug, some 
time, some of it. 

1214
01:06:09,900 --> 01:06:16,400
Anyway, by the way, dick, 
vidi-vidi really 9, is this 

1215
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,900
story? 
True, I've been told that is it 

1216
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:24,600
is true that dick fitty being, 
you know, very well, no, one of 

1217
01:06:24,607 --> 01:06:29,100
the sort of BFI nabobs. 
Yeah. 

1218
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:37,500
Archivists he, obviously he will
very often present or introduce 

1219
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,000
special film showings, and, and 
retrospectives. 

1220
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:45,000
Yes, things like that. 
And is the story true that he, 

1221
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:52,000
he, he wants presented, Richard 
Beckinsale retrospective some at

1222
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,600
some theater somewhere in 
London. 

1223
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Why? 
You know, obviously celebrating 

1224
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,800
the life and work of Richard 
Beckinsale. 

1225
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,900
Yeah and dick fit each. 
Chose a particular episode of 

1226
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:03,500
porridge to to screen. 
Oh hi. 

1227
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:06,200
But it was, it was Prisoner and 
escort. 

1228
01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:10,600
Oh wait he's not in it. 
Which which beckinsale's not in 

1229
01:07:10,900 --> 01:07:15,900
the pilot episode. 
Yeah, that's brilliant. 

1230
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:18,900
Yeah because the very first that
yes the pilot episode that is 

1231
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:21,300
that was done on for Vani 
Barker's. 

1232
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:24,900
How is it called? 
6 of 7 of 1. 

1233
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,100
I don't have one. 
Yeah he was that and open all 

1234
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:28,500
hours which got peace out of 
those. 

1235
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:30,400
Yes seriously. 
Done. 

1236
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,500
Yeah. 
Oh man, what I think today, I 

1237
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:34,500
remember seeing a great 
documentary about Richard 

1238
01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:37,700
Beckinsale and he passed away 
when he was. 

1239
01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:39,700
I can't tell you who I got a 
funny feeling. 

1240
01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:42,000
It was the same directory. 
Did The Long Good Friday? 

1241
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,400
I might be wrong on that but he 
was doing a film when he passed 

1242
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,500
away and So that obviously they 
had to recast it but he is in 

1243
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:51,200
the film. 
He's driving the car in one 

1244
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,700
scene of it. 
Like, they're deliberately kept.

1245
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:57,500
The anus would be like her, 
Harvey Keitel, who is in 

1246
01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:01,500
Apocalypse Now? 
But you you're not going to find

1247
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,200
him in it, he's in it. 
Is he's but, of course, Martin 

1248
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:09,900
Sheen took over from. 
Well, isn't isn't that in Back 

1249
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:12,600
to the Future Eric? 
Eric Stoltz is in. 

1250
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,300
Yeah, the cafe scene. 
Yes, that's right. 

1251
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:19,200
Yeah yeah, he's in the cafe. 
See what's he got? 

1252
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,399
What three weeks into filming, 
as Marty McFly and then he was 

1253
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:24,899
fired. 
I know, I know and that's 

1254
01:08:24,899 --> 01:08:27,600
fascinating. 
I got a really good book all 

1255
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,500
about Back to the Future 2, 
massive. 

1256
01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:32,000
Coffee table book. 
It's so worth getting, and that 

1257
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,300
goes into great detail on that. 
But it's amazing to think that 

1258
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:37,800
they know straight away that 
something something isn't 

1259
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:42,600
working. 
A television set, don't worry, 

1260
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:52,399
it's a red, yellow purple. 
I've never seen this footage, My

1261
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:57,399
Mother, by the way, by the way. 
She's she's here all the time. 

1262
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,200
He was a real good mixture of 
Grandma and Grandpa, Leo and 

1263
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:12,000
Florence performers, lunatics. 
So that they were quite 

1264
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,300
eccentric. 
How do you do? 

1265
01:09:17,899 --> 01:09:21,500
I cannot bear. 
People who are uncritical of, 

1266
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:25,899
hmm of Kiros. 
If you like, I don't think even 

1267
01:09:25,899 --> 01:09:29,000
the Beatles had their lousy 
songs, you know? 

1268
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:31,200
Yeah. 
Maxwell's Silver, Hammer is the 

1269
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:36,100
what I'm saying is, you know, if
you've got a hero of some 

1270
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:39,100
description, whether it be 
music, Cairo, comedy hero, who 

1271
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:44,200
Hmm, the more than likely got a 
large body of work that you can 

1272
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,200
pick the best bits out of and 
cherish. 

1273
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,399
And, and you don't have to like 
everything necessarily. 

1274
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:51,500
And the same goes with Spike. 
I don't like all the spikes 

1275
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:53,700
stuff. 
No, I exactly. 

1276
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:56,200
And you tend to the end, 
appreciate the stuff they really

1277
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,300
like we wouldn't mean you was 
talking about Mark of Cain 

1278
01:09:58,300 --> 01:10:01,400
earlier on and how, you know, 
you love sleuth. 

1279
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,400
And, you know, I like the man 
who would be king of the lab, 

1280
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,600
but then you got Jules three. 
And you've got, although 

1281
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,000
actually one of my secret ones, 
I really like Al hates it. 

1282
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:13,900
It is a film we did in I think 
here is 92 is showing young 

1283
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:16,900
called blue ice. 
Charlie what is in it actually 

1284
01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:21,000
in a jazz, he owns a jazz club 
and it's not great but it is, 

1285
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,200
it's got the worst car chase in 
the world ever. 

1286
01:10:23,300 --> 01:10:26,500
He was literally done like me 
and you could do it, but there's

1287
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:28,300
something about it, which is 
really good. 

1288
01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:31,400
But, you know, you can't not 
have an aside that market 

1289
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,200
Michael Caine's done every film.
All kinds on has been brilliant.

1290
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:37,200
Not even by his own admission, 
that he only did some films, 

1291
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,800
just so they could pay for a 
holiday. 

1292
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,000
And there's nothing wrong. 
Cannot you know, if someone's 

1293
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,200
going to pay you a couple of 
million to do a really shitty 

1294
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:44,200
film. 
When you think, well, I want 

1295
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,500
mine that housing in l.a. let's 
go for it. 

1296
01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:49,000
But you, right, you've got to 
be, you've got to be critical 

1297
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,000
about the stuff that you love. 
Otherwise, you, you're not going

1298
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,100
to enjoy it properly, you know. 
Exactly simple. 

1299
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:57,500
And as you say, there's nothing 
worse than listen to someone, 

1300
01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:00,000
who goes, oh no, they're 
brilliant, is many black people 

1301
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,700
are like to I find out after 
these sports teams where 

1302
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:05,700
someone's dedicated a sports 
team, you didn't say anything 

1303
01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:08,500
bad about it, you know, Facebook
groups. 

1304
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:14,400
Actually, not not, not not going
pod, Facebook group, by the way,

1305
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,500
folks who know, overall waffle 
or waffle. 

1306
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:18,400
I know that says a, but no, I 
know what you mean. 

1307
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,100
I have left so many, especially 
over the past couple years, in 

1308
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:25,300
doctor, who will die. 
You know, everyone has their 

1309
01:11:25,300 --> 01:11:28,500
opinions on the Jodie Whittaker.
Either I like her Percy. 

1310
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:31,400
I just thought of her stories 
were abysmal bar. 

1311
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,000
Two of them. 
Funny enough. 

1312
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,600
They were both. 
He started called ones, which is

1313
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,500
the Rosa Parks episodes and 
demons of the Punjab. 

1314
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,600
They were great. 
But to stuff that people moan 

1315
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,900
about and just bitch about it. 
I just the amount of times I 

1316
01:11:46,907 --> 01:11:49,700
just left thinking do I? 
You don't like, it doesn't 

1317
01:11:49,700 --> 01:11:53,300
matter but don't don't moan it. 
Somebody else just because they 

1318
01:11:53,300 --> 01:11:55,400
like it, you know. 
They're, they're Jodie. 

1319
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,900
Whittaker was your Tom Baker. 
Jenna mean. 

1320
01:11:57,900 --> 01:12:00,400
It's like, when you get 
something that social media 

1321
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,800
isn't it. 
I'd be I'd be more than happy 

1322
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:06,000
and I have done quite a few 
times to leave every bit of 

1323
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,400
social media. 
Just walk away from the lot of 

1324
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,300
it. 
But And I'm sure you probably 

1325
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:13,100
know this. 
Where you do a podcast. 

1326
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:15,900
It's pretty useful. 
Yeah. 

1327
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,200
To get your podcast out of there
and then you have like on your 

1328
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,700
kind of new page, you know, and 
also under the group to which I 

1329
01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:24,100
haven't participated in the 
group chat. 

1330
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:26,900
Do I really do enjoy reading 
what people say, 9 times out of 

1331
01:12:26,900 --> 01:12:28,400
10? 
Because way above my head I'm 

1332
01:12:28,407 --> 01:12:30,900
thinking I'm not I can't quote, 
what? 

1333
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:33,600
You're quoting is too good but 
it's great to eat because 

1334
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,500
everyone's enjoyable everyone's 
getting time with each other and

1335
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:40,700
everyone sort of like has a 
passion about Also what I find 

1336
01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:43,600
are we reading some of your 
listeners comments on your page 

1337
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,600
that you can be slightly 
critical belly and you don't get

1338
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,700
lambasted for it, you know what 
I mean? 

1339
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,300
And that's what is good about 
those pages and stuff like that.

1340
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:55,300
That's what's good about it. 
But there's so much more venom 

1341
01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:57,400
out there and it's quite 
upsetting to read. 

1342
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:01,500
Sometimes, you know, well you 
say that sometimes you want to 

1343
01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:05,000
just leave social media, Elon 
Musk is doing his best to 

1344
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,300
encourage us to leave, isn't he?
Yeah. 

1345
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:11,900
Yeah, I'd leave the planet. 
I thought I loved one of you 

1346
01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:14,100
spaceships to go away from Elon 
Musk. 

1347
01:13:14,300 --> 01:13:16,800
I mean, it's only a matter of 
time before he turns out to be 

1348
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:22,000
something in a James Bond film. 
All these foul face melts into a

1349
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,900
maritime, we'll see, we'll see 
the real version of him to know 

1350
01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:29,000
a liar, human Trump. 
I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna 

1351
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,200
throw some, it's the main here, 
that's in this documentary, 

1352
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,600
which I absolutely loved. 
And he was writing a letter to 

1353
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,100
because I didn't know how much 
it because I do talk about his 

1354
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:41,200
charity work and You know, save 
the kangaroo, save the whales 

1355
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,900
and the World Wildlife Fund and 
all this kind of stuff is 

1356
01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:46,900
activism is really prolific but 
what I really do like is the 

1357
01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:49,500
fact that when you vote to the 
green party and the fact that 

1358
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:54,800
you just wrote dear party, I 
thought that was brilliant. 

1359
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,200
Oh that was just sort of like 
not Dear Sir. 

1360
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,200
Well who magazine just dear 
party? 

1361
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,400
And I thought that was just that
was just brilliant. 

1362
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:07,200
You know? 
I thought that was great elmarie

1363
01:14:07,300 --> 01:14:10,200
of the sea. 
Hmm, turns up And I was always 

1364
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,500
been very keen on the wartime 
Memoirs and he's always yeah, 

1365
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:18,700
time service is got a great 
podcast at all, it's so good, 

1366
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:20,500
isn't it? 
I mean, it's like there's so 

1367
01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:22,900
much content there. 
He actually was Kell who got me 

1368
01:14:22,900 --> 01:14:26,800
into that because they know I've
I've always I've always actually

1369
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,600
quite like sound of even before 
we did the pub landlord stuff. 

1370
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,300
I've always been a bit if not 
know. 

1371
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:35,400
Had I have laughed at the pub 
landlord actually find watching 

1372
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,100
the pub landlord you know you 
get those things on YouTube 

1373
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:40,500
where it's like Beacons. 
React to something. 

1374
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:43,600
Yeah, right and I've watched a 
few of those may be configured 

1375
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,200
to Frankie boil or Jimmy Carr, 
buddy. 

1376
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,100
Al movie stuff is brilliant. 
And there's one clip on there, 

1377
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:52,600
where it I think it's Al is 
deliberately done this to show 

1378
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,500
off his historical knowledge, 
and it is like, shout it, shout 

1379
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:59,700
me a country Chamois a country 
and these people show a name of 

1380
01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:02,800
a country, and he gives them a 
historical fact of what, but, 

1381
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,300
and beat them in a wall. 
What a links to a wall. 

1382
01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:09,500
And, you know that, if actually 
Al's got it, bang on On, you 

1383
01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:11,500
know and it's so clever. 
Yeah. 

1384
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:14,500
But I love the fact that heat 
the person he looks like he's 

1385
01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:18,500
all the the history and and the 
script of I don't think it's 

1386
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:19,600
him. 
No I think it's his grandson. 

1387
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,800
He picks up the Hitler script 
which is net, which was when you

1388
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,000
read any reason. 
Yeah you. 

1389
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,900
They're going unpublished. 
Manuscript written from Hitler's

1390
01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:33,700
point of view. 
This is a book written from like

1391
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:37,300
a first-person perspective as if
he was out of Hitler. 

1392
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:40,100
And this has never I've been 
published either. 

1393
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:45,200
Comedy when it relates to Hitler
is a bit hit and miss, I mean 

1394
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,900
talking about camps called 
Butlins and the worst camps were

1395
01:15:49,900 --> 01:15:54,300
called pontins. 
So questionable comedy you know 

1396
01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:56,900
what that sounds like something 
that Mel Brooks could write. 

1397
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,100
Oh yeah. 
And possibly get away with 

1398
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:02,300
because he's Jewish. 
Yeah and you don't know you had 

1399
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:04,700
a Min and then it would work 
perfectly, you know. 

1400
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,600
And then later I mean scrolling 
forward, sorry but Eddie Izzard 

1401
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,400
read the script that Spike It's 
written for in the early 90s I 

1402
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,100
think for a proposed sitcom 
called over the hill. 

1403
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:20,000
Oh my gosh. 
Yeah, which you kind of think 

1404
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:22,900
was spiked serious about this? 
Or was he just was it just an 

1405
01:16:22,900 --> 01:16:25,400
intellectual exercise? 
He was just writing it just to 

1406
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,500
get it out of your system. 
Exorcise some demons because 

1407
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:33,500
it's about the it's a proposed 
sitcom In which spike would play

1408
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:38,600
a version of himself being 
rejected for all jobs. 

1409
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,800
Yeah I mean it's very Allan Poe 
Huge isn't it is the you know, 

1410
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,600
any other parties like, yeah? 
Monkey 10, he's talking about, 

1411
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:50,200
yes, you know, smell my cheese 
kind of thing and and it's a 

1412
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,300
great idea, but I think you're 
probably right, you know? 

1413
01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:55,400
I think that was it would have 
run some photos. 

1414
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,100
We've had pitched his agent at 
Peach. 

1415
01:16:57,100 --> 01:17:00,500
We Stephanie a kind of like, an 
exorcism of anger because he 

1416
01:17:00,500 --> 01:17:04,100
mentions on the tapes saying 
that I've clearly done something

1417
01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:07,500
to upset the BBC and the BBC, 
you know, you know, everyone's 

1418
01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:10,900
got their opinions on the BBC, 
especially the moment. 

1419
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,600
With the sacking of, while the 
director-general even, but they 

1420
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,400
clearly had something for him as
he does say about the old 

1421
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:19,600
Oxford, you know, I didn't go to
Oxford, I didn't go to 

1422
01:17:19,608 --> 01:17:25,300
university, but on that aspect, 
back in the 50s and the 60s, 

1423
01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:28,900
with the BBC, which is something
that bothers me. 

1424
01:17:28,900 --> 01:17:32,800
Now, to this day, you could go 
to the head of Comedy to BBC 

1425
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,200
walking to television Centre go 
to reception as I could. 

1426
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,000
I speak to the person in charge 
of scripts. 

1427
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,100
So, I've got this idea and I go 
yeah, there's an office 

1428
01:17:40,100 --> 01:17:42,500
upstairs. 
Go sit in Let me script, you 

1429
01:17:42,508 --> 01:17:44,900
know, I mean they obviously that
that wasn't like, you know, all 

1430
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:47,400
the time but you could, you 
could do that. 

1431
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,800
A lot of, a lot of well-known TV
people in the 60s, came from 

1432
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,700
doing that. 
They got given enough, if they 

1433
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:54,600
wrote something down and they 
liked what they read, probably 

1434
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,400
didn't make it. 
But you know what, you can go 

1435
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,300
and write an episode of so and 
so, and so and so, you know, you

1436
01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:01,800
can go and Ride This and like 
that and then build their career

1437
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,500
up. 
So you didn't have to go to 

1438
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:06,700
university, didn't have to be in
that kind of Johnny didn't need 

1439
01:18:06,700 --> 01:18:10,100
to go and do writing courses, 
and all this kind of stuff is 

1440
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:11,800
nowadays. 
You Yeah I know because I'm a 

1441
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,400
writer there. 
They prefer you to of gone 

1442
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,400
through that, you know. 
And I think spike is probably, 

1443
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:19,000
right? 
He's probably you getting all 

1444
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,300
the especially a TS at that 
point. 

1445
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:23,700
You would have had not the nine 
o'clock news. 

1446
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:28,600
You know you would have had 
Blackadder she hates because he 

1447
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,600
really hates. 
He says that which is you know 

1448
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,900
to be fair, the first series of 
Blackadder no don't say a word 

1449
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:37,800
against Nasser is a blight. 
He's he's interesting because 

1450
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:42,300
you K, gold are showing the 
pilot are Cat, who is Joy's 

1451
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:44,200
evident in the? 
A crime cannot roll. 

1452
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,500
Yeah, and so which I don't think
many by don't think. 

1453
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:49,900
I think I saw a bit to be on 
YouTube, maybe but never seen a 

1454
01:18:49,900 --> 01:18:54,100
whole thing, but I can kind of 
understand him not liking. 

1455
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:58,200
The first series of Blackadder 
II mean I prefer black attitude.

1456
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,000
Well, I live or hate but I would
say the opposite. 

1457
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:05,200
Actually, I think he would 
possibly not object to the first

1458
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,900
series of Blackadder. 
I think he didn't like I he 

1459
01:19:07,900 --> 01:19:10,800
didn't like, alternate what he 
called, alternative comedy been 

1460
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:11,900
out. 
It's an influence, certainly 

1461
01:19:11,900 --> 01:19:15,900
didn't like the young ones and 
things like that and I could 

1462
01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:19,900
imagine he wouldn't like, the 
objects that were created. 

1463
01:19:19,900 --> 01:19:23,800
I mean, I, this is thing. 
I'll, I mean, you know, I, the 

1464
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,500
young ones are just released 
that 40-year, documentary, 

1465
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,100
friend of mine, Lucy blocks will
be, or just a big mouth 

1466
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:33,200
scrapbook, which is great. 
If you've never never read her 

1467
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:39,000
blog is absolutely brilliant and
she saw brick and I'd do loads 

1468
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,100
of stuff in the days of 
dangerous, for those and also I 

1469
01:19:41,108 --> 01:19:44,500
mean I did bottom recording 
sessions but I you know, you go 

1470
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:47,700
back and watch the young ones 
and it is very dated, you know, 

1471
01:19:47,700 --> 01:19:51,400
he's very dated, but you got to 
take it for what it is, you 

1472
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,300
know, it's, I think that might 
be a jealousy there because 

1473
01:19:54,300 --> 01:19:57,300
alternative comedy with the new 
comedy was, what changed 

1474
01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:00,600
everything from, you know, the 
Frank car Sundays and, and all 

1475
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,700
this kind of stuff. 
You know, that was the 70s where

1476
01:20:02,700 --> 01:20:05,000
you add other comedians, you 
know, that television program. 

1477
01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:07,500
Yeah, so for. 
So there's a little bit, I think

1478
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,900
that's Spike, might have a 
little bit of jealousy. 

1479
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:15,500
On that of dismissing, so-called
alternative comedy adapt. 

1480
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:19,700
I have no doubt. 
That's the case and there's 

1481
01:20:19,700 --> 01:20:22,200
probably still to this day. 
There's a long line of 

1482
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,500
comedians, who rail against the 
younger Generations. 

1483
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:29,600
Barry. 
Cryer was the exception to that.

1484
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,200
Barry. 
Cryer was always was always very

1485
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:36,300
supportive of our of now. 
You Comedians and new comedy, 

1486
01:20:36,300 --> 01:20:39,000
you know, but Bobby Clark. 
Hi, you know what else? 

1487
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:40,900
You shouldn't have regrets in 
life? 

1488
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,500
I don't really do everyone. 
Does of course, the W be alive 

1489
01:20:44,500 --> 01:20:48,400
if you said you don't. 
But I wish I'd had a couple of 

1490
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,500
opportunities to go and see 
Barry choir doing some stand-up 

1491
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:56,500
talk or and in conversation with
kind of thing on stage and I 

1492
01:20:56,500 --> 01:20:59,100
never went because the funny 
thing about very choir is the 

1493
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:02,500
man never looked any different. 
No, I'd look the same in the in 

1494
01:21:02,500 --> 01:21:05,300
the sixties as they didn't 
really add a slightly darker 

1495
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:07,100
here in the 60s. 
If you say Doug, a hair. 

1496
01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:10,400
Yeah, but you always looked the 
same kind of thing just slightly

1497
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,100
ages ago. 
Look, maybe it's because the 

1498
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:14,400
fact he was always on TV, you 
know, it. 

1499
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:18,000
You always had a good story to 
tell and yeah, he was a bit like

1500
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,400
the John peel had music. 
Yeah, I mean, he was always an 

1501
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,700
advocate of anything new coming 
up and I don't think we have. 

1502
01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:26,600
I don't think we have anybody of
that ilk. 

1503
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,800
Now maybe John Lloyd. 
Yeah, maybe. 

1504
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,100
Maybe John Lloyd again. 
Where does John Lloyd come from?

1505
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,500
You know, wood, is it did Spike 
like John Lloyd? 

1506
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:38,800
Probably not. 
No, you know, there were so I 

1507
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,600
saw Barry live a couple of times
actually Mmm. 

1508
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,600
He can't you come out and you 
faces aching just from even 

1509
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,400
though you've heard you've heard
all the gags. 

1510
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,700
Yeah. 
The for with Barry. 

1511
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,000
You know, if you listen to a 
sorry I haven't a clue. 

1512
01:21:52,300 --> 01:21:57,200
Now I've heard them all before 
but ya know, just one about that

1513
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,000
script. 
The sitcom over the hill which 

1514
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,600
was next which was never made. 
I like the fact and I'm sure 

1515
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,200
there was no connection, but I 
like the fact that in the 

1516
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:10,800
script, the character that Spike
would have played was offered a 

1517
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,400
position. 
PG tips, advert. 

1518
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:20,700
That is brilliant because, of 
course, who voiced the PG tips 

1519
01:22:20,700 --> 01:22:26,300
in the original advert. 
Was this like know who was it, 

1520
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,200
who else could it have been that
was connected. 

1521
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,900
Spike Milligan, was it? 
You won't seek Him Peter 

1522
01:22:33,900 --> 01:22:35,600
Sellers? 
No, it wasn't. 

1523
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:36,900
It was it. 
Yes. 

1524
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,200
Yeah. 
But you the trouble is is that 

1525
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,200
sellers never used his own voice
on anything. 

1526
01:22:43,300 --> 01:22:45,800
Well, no, but but it could be 
anyone. 

1527
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:51,800
I didn't know that I'm probably 
did but that doesn't mean that 

1528
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,500
all night. 
I'm not going down this Rabbit 

1529
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:55,400
Hole. 
Where, when I go to bed, I'm 

1530
01:22:55,407 --> 01:22:57,200
going to be looking at bloody PG
tips anger. 

1531
01:23:00,300 --> 01:23:03,400
Strikes for in millions of 
homes. 

1532
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:09,300
That means it's tea time. 
T time with its gleaming, silver

1533
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:15,100
and tinkling teacups. 
What a happy time, it is and how

1534
01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:17,300
fortunate the hostess, who knows
that. 

1535
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:22,100
Her favorite e is also the 
favorite of her friends for no 

1536
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:25,200
matter how elegant, bananas are 
traveling with company. 

1537
01:23:25,700 --> 01:23:30,100
Now, guest is ever really happy 
without the right kind of tea. 

1538
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:36,100
T, good teeth. 
Fresh tea tea, you can take to 

1539
01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:41,700
the last delicious. 
Drop a mint but bumpy geek buck 

1540
01:23:41,700 --> 01:23:59,200
buck, buck buck, 
we touched on Sheila, he said 

1541
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,900
wife and you wanted to say 
something about that. 

1542
01:24:01,900 --> 01:24:05,300
Come on, I did because I think I
said earlier on about when I 

1543
01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:09,400
spiked always seems to look old 
at one point, he loves it. 

1544
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,300
Well, I've changed my Facebook 
profile picture today, yesterday

1545
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:17,600
to the spark that I like it, 
well who I have in my head, 

1546
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,600
because when she came along, and
I think name is loves the 83. 

1547
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,400
So now that she wanted to move 
out of Hmong Hurst because it 

1548
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,900
reminded of past People and all 
that kind of stuff. 

1549
01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:32,500
And I can kind of understand 
that but to move him away, to 

1550
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,400
almost isolation and his own 
daughter. 

1551
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:40,100
I forget which one says that she
just aged incredibly. 

1552
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,500
And there's so, it's so obvious.
He it is obvious. 

1553
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:47,100
He'd so obvious and it's so 
upsetting to see because he's 

1554
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:50,500
gone for these very tall, 
strapping bloke, you know, 

1555
01:24:50,500 --> 01:24:55,900
either a good prominent nose to 
hunched over and very weak, low 

1556
01:24:55,900 --> 01:25:00,000
voice and the voice as well as 
Voice goes, you know, and it's 

1557
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,100
almost, you know, everyone knows
that famous Cliff of him talking

1558
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:08,400
about our future king you know, 
and he's like that and it's like

1559
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,800
and this what I have to say 
because this is how I feel but 

1560
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:16,400
she did that to him, you know, 
and it's heartbreaking to see 

1561
01:25:16,700 --> 01:25:21,200
how he goes from and also 
because of it the way he ages 

1562
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:25,500
some, which is depression would 
have would have, you know, got 

1563
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:30,800
worse as well. 
I Can't help but feel she wanted

1564
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:35,600
him for herself which is greed 
not one in anyone else to have 

1565
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,300
any part of him and just to take
him away from his friends, just 

1566
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:42,800
aged him in and he's such a 
horrible, horrible way to go. 

1567
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,800
And I think that script of over 
the hill, I don't know whether 

1568
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,700
he wrote that when he was when 
he was getting older or you 

1569
01:25:48,700 --> 01:25:50,600
know, when he was not 
particularly I think it was the 

1570
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:51,800
early 90s. 
Yeah. 

1571
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,900
So this part of me thinks that 
maybe in that script is probably

1572
01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:56,900
a little bit more about that. 
I won't surprise you if there's 

1573
01:25:56,900 --> 01:25:59,900
a bit about he's Early life in 
that you know how he's also 

1574
01:25:59,900 --> 01:26:01,500
maybe a bit downtrodden or 
anything. 

1575
01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:04,600
And it's it's so sad. 
I'm not obviously I don't want 

1576
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,100
to go. 
Nine blame and that's not fair. 

1577
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,200
There's someone's gotta you know
you gotta defend yourself a nice

1578
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,100
things but I could again I know 
I keep repeating it but it's 

1579
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:15,000
important that we can only go by
what these documentary shows and

1580
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,700
it doesn't show her in a good 
light at all. 

1581
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,400
No it doesn't know. 
Okay. 

1582
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,800
So is there anything else? 
You know about the documentary? 

1583
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,100
We have not touched on so far 
that before we wrap up that you 

1584
01:26:25,108 --> 01:26:28,200
want to and I think the ending 
or All right, you've been 

1585
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,200
watching all that, so I'll ask 
you a question. 

1586
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:33,000
Do you think I'm normal or 
abnormal? 

1587
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,300
Better still, are you abnormal 
or normal? 

1588
01:26:38,500 --> 01:26:41,100
Is it abnormal to put clothes on
to go swimming? 

1589
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,900
Is it normal for a white man to 
Black up for a Minstrel show? 

1590
01:26:45,300 --> 01:26:48,000
I want to be normal for a black 
man to White up for a Minstrel 

1591
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,600
show. 
Is it normal for the pope to be 

1592
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,600
single? 
I mean, is it normal for me to 

1593
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,900
be talking now to millions of 
people on television? 

1594
01:26:55,900 --> 01:26:59,100
Is that normal? 
Is it normal or abnormal to be a

1595
01:26:59,108 --> 01:27:02,100
cloud? 
Is it abnormal to be mad? 

1596
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,400
Or is it mad to be abnormal? 
I think it's a beautiful way to 

1597
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,900
end because it kind of sums it 
all up, doesn't it? 

1598
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:12,000
You know the whole thing of spy 
Milligan and the whole of these 

1599
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,900
documentary does say you know 
you sometimes you do have to 

1600
01:27:14,900 --> 01:27:16,800
question your own life. 
You have to question your 

1601
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,800
father. 
Well what is normal? 

1602
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,800
Yeah, who wants to be normal 
anyway you know that it's such a

1603
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,300
thing to say especially as like 
I keep saying this to my 

1604
01:27:26,300 --> 01:27:28,900
daughter where everyone says 
she's actually Rebellion 

1605
01:27:28,900 --> 01:27:31,100
slightly against the norm at 
school and anyway everyone 

1606
01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:32,500
dresses the same. 
Yeah. 

1607
01:27:32,500 --> 01:27:33,500
If you say The other day. 
A guy? 

1608
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:34,900
Come on, boys. 
All just assigning will seem to 

1609
01:27:34,907 --> 01:27:38,800
have tracksuits on the no style 
and and she's going against that

1610
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,900
grind of what the girls in her 
class where. 

1611
01:27:41,300 --> 01:27:44,400
And and she said it dish itself 
because on I've realized that 

1612
01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:47,700
who wants to be normal and I 
thought, yeah, good for you, 

1613
01:27:47,700 --> 01:27:49,200
man. 
That is why it's all about and 

1614
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,600
then normal or abnormal, is it 
the same thing. 

1615
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,900
And I think he's Spike saying 
that just about himself there, 

1616
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:58,800
through everything, he's gone 
through, you know, and that 

1617
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,300
whole collection of all those 
books, those photo albums. 

1618
01:28:01,300 --> 01:28:02,900
I scrapbooks. 
Those Wheels though. 

1619
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:06,400
Films that. 
You know, what is normal there? 

1620
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,500
It's not normal, but it's 
certainly not abnormal. 

1621
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:10,300
No, I thought I was a great way 
to end it. 

1622
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,700
Wow, absolutely. 
Yeah, I'm Sorry by the way, not 

1623
01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:16,600
all the important old boys wear 
track suit so some of us wear 

1624
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:21,900
corduroy, maybe enough, there's 
nothing wrong with that. 

1625
01:28:21,900 --> 01:28:23,700
We should I OD for World of 
fashion. 

1626
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,000
I've literally, I literally 
turned 50 this year. 

1627
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,000
I got a couple of months to go 
before I turn 50 and you know 

1628
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,800
what I'm excited about? 
Out getting away. 

1629
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:39,100
We wearing the curve at all. 
Yeah stylish I know I'm going 

1630
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:41,500
for help even picked one eye. 
I'm 50 next year. 

1631
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:44,900
So at does that mean I can get a
credit to so absolutely acrobat 

1632
01:28:44,900 --> 01:28:48,200
and a Panama Hat apella hat at a
rakish angle. 

1633
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,400
Exactly. 
Almost like you did both our 

1634
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:51,900
dish. 
I think you know where we going 

1635
01:28:56,300 --> 01:28:59,600
so has been thoroughly enjoyable
talking to you today. 

1636
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,500
My I've so enjoyed it I hope I 
haven't I do I do have a 

1637
01:29:03,508 --> 01:29:06,100
tendency to go, is reason why my
podcast is called waffle on 

1638
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:09,000
because I do have a tendency to 
just to go off on tangents. 

1639
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,100
So I I so apologize to you and 
your listeners if I thought 

1640
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:14,600
vehicle. 
So do I and annoy someone who 

1641
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,900
doesn't really hope it doesn't 
anyway, but this podcast my 

1642
01:29:17,900 --> 01:29:20,400
podcast goes off as many 
tangents that to have someone 

1643
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,800
like, you on as well. 
It's gone off. 

1644
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,800
Sort of double tangent. 
Yeah. 

1645
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:28,800
You got your workout and this 
editing suite and and listen 

1646
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,200
with waffle on. 
Hmm, obviously, you covered 

1647
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:35,900
movies but also television Any, 
any particular plans in the 

1648
01:29:35,900 --> 01:29:41,200
future to cover Highway little? 
You know what the funny thing is

1649
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:46,800
is that I remember being really,
this is going to sound terrible.

1650
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:51,400
You know, I got confused with, 
this is another chunk of 

1651
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:55,400
conversation. 
We was talking about Highway and

1652
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,900
Kel was talking about Highway 
and I turn - I don't know why 

1653
01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:00,500
you don't like it, you know, 
it's a guy who's an angel who 

1654
01:30:00,508 --> 01:30:06,400
has come from heaven and local. 
Send a look at the guy in here 

1655
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,600
idiot because that was Aquaman 
or something. 

1656
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:12,500
I got really was no, but highway
highway to Heaven and Highway. 

1657
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:15,400
I thought, I think so you can 
would have been better in level.

1658
01:30:17,500 --> 01:30:20,000
There's a surprisingly, 
surprisingly large number of 

1659
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,200
people who enjoy watching Harry.
See, Kim, interviewing. 

1660
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,800
Members of Christian, the 
Calypso groups in provincial 

1661
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,100
towns. 
And I think he was a, he was a 

1662
01:30:29,108 --> 01:30:32,800
better songs of praise because 
how I seem to remember highwomen

1663
01:30:32,900 --> 01:30:36,500
Way. 
It wasn't my cup of tea. 

1664
01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:38,200
You sending my mom. 
Mom enjoyed it. 

1665
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,100
But I think my mom, enjoy, 
because she just like the, the 

1666
01:30:40,100 --> 01:30:43,200
happiness of have you seek him? 
You know, I mean, I don't think 

1667
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:44,500
of it. 
I think I said yeah, I don't 

1668
01:30:44,500 --> 01:30:47,100
think I've ever seen anything 
where that man, he's not smiling

1669
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:49,500
when it'd be terrible. 
If there was a biography that 

1670
01:30:49,500 --> 01:30:51,800
came out where he was like, had 
been a mass murderer or 

1671
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,900
something History's Greatest 
monster, you couldn't know. 

1672
01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:57,900
There's something in that in and
I can't see, even though my view

1673
01:30:57,900 --> 01:31:00,000
was narcy, was nasty to Oliver, 
let's face it. 

1674
01:31:00,008 --> 01:31:02,800
Well, he was also, he wasn't a 
great guy in. 

1675
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,700
Film version of the bed sitting 
room spikes film about. 

1676
01:31:06,700 --> 01:31:10,500
It's like okay, I've not seen 
that he in that, we don't see it

1677
01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:14,200
on screen but he murders, his 
wife and his mother, really? 

1678
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,800
Yeah. 
But look don't, well yeah, he 

1679
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,000
allows them to. 
Yeah. 

1680
01:31:18,100 --> 01:31:20,700
Anyway, I won't spoil it, but 
you have. 

1681
01:31:22,300 --> 01:31:28,400
But, and by the way, earlier 
before earlier you earlier, you 

1682
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,300
know, why you earlier you said, 
you mentioned the Future King, 

1683
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:36,600
you silly sausage. 
Well yes, of course, I know but 

1684
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,800
I slept through it, you know, 
she didn't, you didn't watch it.

1685
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,100
I did what? 
Well I watched it through my 

1686
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:49,000
eyelids or possibly teams for 
some alcoholic thing, you know, 

1687
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:53,500
I yeah, my wife's really quite 
lucky. 

1688
01:31:53,500 --> 01:31:57,000
No, well, how did look forward 
to it as well? 

1689
01:31:57,100 --> 01:32:00,600
Actually, I wasn't expecting him
to turn up to Westminster Abbey 

1690
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,500
it is. 
It is robes wearing If those big

1691
01:32:03,500 --> 01:32:06,100
oversized noses, which spike 
eyes to heaven? 

1692
01:32:06,100 --> 01:32:08,500
The q-series thought that was a 
nice touch. 

1693
01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:11,300
I wonder why my bet you any 
money that I'm on, you say now 

1694
01:32:11,300 --> 01:32:13,500
is made of rubber. 
So it's probably the guy didn't 

1695
01:32:13,500 --> 01:32:14,900
die, but that wouldn't surprise 
you. 

1696
01:32:14,900 --> 01:32:17,600
That doesn't turn up in the 
auction somewhere along with it.

1697
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,200
You know, because he always 
seems to have it was a few of 

1698
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,100
them, I think. 
Oh yeah, definitely. 

1699
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,100
He wasn't a nosy bunk style 
knows. 

1700
01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:26,200
I was. 
It was just, it was an 

1701
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:27,700
individual that you ever knows, 
he Bonk? 

1702
01:32:27,700 --> 01:32:32,000
I do. 
Yeah, that's creepy Spike 

1703
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:33,500
Milligan. 
Viewed. 

1704
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:38,100
In quotes interviewed Van 
Morrison for Q magazine in the 

1705
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:44,100
80s, wearing open extra that 
extra long version of that nose.

1706
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,400
And if anybody needs a sense of 
humor, which Van Morrison? 

1707
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,000
Yes! 
Yes. 

1708
01:32:52,300 --> 01:32:54,700
Listen, meds. 
Thank you so much. 

1709
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,700
And we've already touched on the
fact that you may return. 

1710
01:32:58,700 --> 01:33:00,000
I'm sure you will return and 
love you. 

1711
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,500
A drink, right? 
Yeah. 

1712
01:33:01,500 --> 01:33:06,500
And talk about if not not, If 
there's a petition to, for me, 

1713
01:33:06,500 --> 01:33:10,300
not to come back on. 
I totally understand if not to 

1714
01:33:10,300 --> 01:33:17,000
talk about the Barry Mackenzie 
movie then do something else. 

1715
01:33:17,100 --> 01:33:18,900
I'll be more than happy to my 
that'd be great. 

1716
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,800
Thanks again to meds, waffle on 
can be found in all the usual 

1717
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:24,500
Places. 
I cannot recommend it. 

1718
01:33:24,500 --> 01:33:27,700
Highly enough if you like the 
sort of thing that I do on gun 

1719
01:33:27,700 --> 01:33:29,300
pod. 
And obviously, you've heard meds

1720
01:33:29,300 --> 01:33:32,300
on this show. 
I think it'd be right up your 

1721
01:33:32,300 --> 01:33:36,000
street, so, please seek it out. 
So I'll be back next week until 

1722
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,400
then. 
Take care of yourselves. 

1723
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,000
A, see you soon. 
Bye. 

1724
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:36,400
So I'll be back next week until 
then. 

1725
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,300
Take care of yourselves. 
A, see you soon. 

1726
01:33:38,300 --> 01:33:39,000
Bye.