1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 I turned for you because I want to talk to you about this 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:08,480 invention of mine. I have to talk to somebody now. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,080 For thousands of years, the Earth has been receiving 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,640 messages and even voices from outer space. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Listen to this. Hello. 6 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,520 Sometimes I even startle myself. Well, now I'm going to call upon 7 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,480 Professor Benteen to explain this strange phenomena. 8 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:56,960 Professor Benteen, any questions? 9 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:32,800 The. Hello and welcome to Goonpod, 10 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,200 the show which needs no introduction, which is useful 11 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,640 because I haven't written one this week. 12 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,400 My name is Tyler Adams and you know the drill. 13 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:45,440 This is the podcast in which every week we look at some 14 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,640 aspect of the Gooniverse, as I like to call it, be that an 15 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,040 actual goon show or a film featuring Sellers or Milligan or 16 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,560 even seek him or Benteen or books or television series or 17 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,880 anything with even the vaguest connection to the goons or a 18 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,720 goon. But before we talk about this 19 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,440 week's episode, I just wanted to share some feedback. 20 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,720 Some listener feedback from last week's show on the Return of the 21 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,080 Pink Panther, which went down very well, largely John 22 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,440 Williams, friend of the show and former guest. 23 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,960 He said this was great fun. I was slightly alarmed at how 24 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,840 many of the spot the fake film candidates had seen. 25 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,680 It also reminded me that after the initial premiere of The 26 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,400 Return of the Pink Panther, ITV used to show a version with the 27 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,520 heist scene cut out. It was infuriating. 28 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,760 I assume it was either edited for time and they then carried 29 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,160 on using that version or they wanted to get to cluesome more 30 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:45,960 quickly. Maybe. 31 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,240 I haven't looked but perhaps scheduling was tight the night 32 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,440 before the royal wedding so that's intriguing. 33 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,240 I cannot believe that ITV would cut such a pivotal scene the the 34 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,200 actual heist, which, yeah, OK, it's not very funny as Gary and 35 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,720 I discussed, but it is really, really well done and it is 36 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:09,520 genuinely thrilling. So bad form ITVI say now another 37 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,880 listener Tony Lithgow or Lithgow. 38 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,200 Hello Tony he said. Nice episode about a film I 39 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,800 haven't seen since it was on TV sometime back in the 80s. 40 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,680 Good to have the show back but I was a little surprised you 41 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,480 started with a film and not a goon show episode after all that 42 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,560 is in the title of the podcast. This is a minor moan though and 43 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:30,960 I'm looking forward to what comes next. 44 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:35,280 Thank you very much, Tony. Yeah, I did toy with kicking off 45 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,080 the new series with an actual goon show. 46 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,280 Various reasons I decided against it. 47 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,840 And obviously the second episode of the the series you were 48 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,960 listening to now and again, it's not a goon show. 49 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,240 But next week, I promise there will be a goon show episode 50 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,920 under discussion. And John Auty again, friend of 51 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,440 the show, former guest John Auty. 52 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,800 Wonderful first episode of the new season. 53 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,800 Great chat between Tyler and Gary. 54 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,840 Nearly spat out my tea when Kathy Staff was mentioned. 55 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,680 Yes, we were. We were for various reasons. 56 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,920 We were imagining what characters from Last of the 57 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,800 Summer Wine or what actors from Last of the Summer Wine could 58 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,000 have appeared in Return of the Pink Panther. 59 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,400 And, and I suggested, I think it was me that suggested that Kathy 60 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,240 Staff could be the girl diving into the swimming pool and 61 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:32,520 taking Cluso with her. So this week I am joined by 62 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,360 returning guest film academic, writer and podcaster Adrian 63 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,400 Smith. And Adrian and I are talking 64 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,680 about a real curio. It's a Michael Winner film, 65 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,360 believe it or not, and it is sort of tangentially connected 66 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,000 to the goons, as you will find out. 67 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,360 It's a really interesting discussion about a not very 68 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,520 interesting film. Well, it's a bit of a mess of a 69 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:02,720 film, but there is definite sort of goon strands knitted in 70 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,080 there. So, you know, don't lose faith. 71 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,000 There will be goon content, but it's yeah, it's it's well, 72 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,360 let's. OK, let's just kick off you, you 73 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,920 join Adrian and me discussing this weird little film. 74 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,320 I've watched it twice now and the first time around, as I 75 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,800 often do, I, I, I have a circle of friends and we, we watch 76 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:31,680 things together often old films and obscure films and old TV and 77 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,560 stuff. And I, it's very difficult to 78 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,280 get a copy of this. My, one of my friends is able, 79 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:41,760 he's like, he's like some sort of magician. 80 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:47,520 He can, you know, he can find the most obscure cinema from 81 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,080 the, from the, you know, the darkest recesses of the 82 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,360 Internet. But it is actually available on 83 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,720 eBay. It's on. 84 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,000 It is on DVD. There's a a legit release on DVD 85 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,840 about 10 years ago. Yeah. 86 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:02,840 And maybe that's long out of print. 87 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:05,680 It is so. So many fans snapped it up. 88 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,600 Well, it comes with calling all cars. 89 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:14,440 Yeah, and London. Entertains London Entertainment. 90 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,640 I just assumed, Tyler, that this would be high up on on one of 91 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:23,160 your many Goon Show connected DVD shelves because it's 92 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,520 basically a goon triple bill that DVD. 93 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,960 Yeah, because Spike, Spike is in calling all cars and London 94 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,320 Entertained has got that great clip where they go and watch a 95 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,840 goon show actually being shot. And then of course, this one 96 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:40,920 features footage from Down Among the Z men. 97 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,520 Yeah, well we will come to that. But I was watched. 98 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,720 So I said to my, my mate, OK, I'm thinking of shelling out 99 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,560 because it was something like £30 on eBay to get the DVD. 100 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,760 And I thought, you know what, for the sake of the show, I'll, 101 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,480 I'll buy it on eBay. And he said just give me another 102 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,680 chance to find it. And he, he went away and he did 103 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,440 manage to track down a copy which we all watched OK. 104 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,120 And we're halfway through watching it. 105 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,040 And I said, you know what, I'm so glad I didn't spend that £30. 106 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,560 Wait, so does that mean you've never seen London Entertains or 107 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,080 have you just seen? That I have seen. 108 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,480 I have seen London. Well, no. 109 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,080 I've seen the the Goon sequence from. 110 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,640 Oh, OK. London. 111 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,680 Entertains, yeah, because that's also because you were talking 112 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,560 recently about This is Your Life, weren't you? 113 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:37,920 And yeah, London Entertains is hosted by Old. 114 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,360 What's his name? Oh, Amon. 115 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,720 Amon. Yes, of course, yes. 116 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,240 So there's another connection to your podcast, all circles back 117 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,440 to Goon Pod. Doesn't that it? 118 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,040 Does London entertains is actually like all these things 119 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,080 because they were so cheap. They're just going out and 120 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,800 shooting around the West End. So they're really good. 121 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,560 Like, you know, bits of cultural and social history. 122 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,720 If you wanted to look at it from a slightly pompous perspective, 123 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,640 Like you get to see glimpses of London that nobody else was 124 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,040 probably filming at that time. So they're quite interesting for 125 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,120 that, if not for the entertainment value, I suppose. 126 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:19,920 Yeah, it is. There is. 127 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,960 It's there isn't a lot of entertainment value, so in 128 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,720 London entertains. The conceit is that there is a 129 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,840 kind of escort agency. That's right, very much in the 130 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,480 comic strip presents version of of of that kind of escort 131 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,039 agency. They just take people out for a 132 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:41,039 nice time. Escorts. 133 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:42,799 Escorts. Exactly. 134 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,320 There's no naughty stuff. So you've just got all these 135 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,000 beautiful women who take people out for a nice time around 136 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,760 London. So that's the conceit. 137 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,960 And for some reason, yeah, Amy Andrews is hanging around with 138 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,920 these girls as well. And so they just go to various 139 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,240 different spots around London. So it's a sort of fake 140 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,600 documentary, so that one of the things that these escorts to do 141 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,640 is they take one of their guests to a goon show recording. 142 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,920 So that's why they're there. And then what they're filming is 143 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,720 a bit of an audience kind of warm up before the show actually 144 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,960 starts. So you just get the the goons 145 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,720 doing a couple of sketches to warm the audience up. 146 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,480 So I don't think they actually filmed any of the goon show 147 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,920 recording. It was just they probably 148 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,160 weren't allowed to have their cameras on. 149 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,960 No, that's true. At that point, yeah. 150 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,680 Anyway, so that's quite it is an interesting film to look at, 151 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,280 particularly because they film a lot of it in the producer, EJ 152 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,600 Fancy, I think he actually directed that one as well. 153 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,360 They shot it in his office or in Queen's House, which is on 154 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,000 Leicester Square. It's still there today. 155 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,000 So you can just see out the window the massive cinemas, the 156 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,960 front of the cinemas of of Leicester Square. 157 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,880 So again, you get quite interesting glimpses of London 158 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,520 in these things, even though they are a bit crap. 159 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,360 It's films. Well, you and I discussed fancy 160 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,120 years ago because you came on to talk about. 161 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,240 Well, yes. Down among the Z men. 162 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,280 That was one of your early episodes before you were able to 163 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,440 get real guests. And I'm still obliged to ask you 164 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:23,640 to come back about once a year. But we did talk about down among 165 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,840 the Z men back back in back in the day. 166 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:32,840 And I would direct listeners to that Goon pot episode, the film 167 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,440 we're talking about today, Climb up the Wall. 168 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,640 It doesn't have in the credits starring Peter Sellers, Michael 169 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,440 Benting or anything like that, but they do feature. 170 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,920 Mind you, so does Elvis. Yes, they do feature in Climb up 171 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,880 the Wall in a sort of a sly way, I would say. 172 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,520 Before we get on to that though, what what was your what's your 173 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:59,200 history with this film? So I, in my research, like 10 174 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:04,760 years ago, I was researching British film distributors and 175 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,960 independent distributors. And so I, I started noticing 176 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,320 this name of EJ Fancy coming up. And so I kind of dug into him 177 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,000 because not much had been done about him being written about 178 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,120 him. And he turned out to be a quite 179 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,080 an interesting guy. And I still toy with the idea of 180 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,360 doing a book about him one day. But he had all kinds of crazy 181 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,800 stories about him that I probably told some of those last 182 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,960 time. But he he ran several companies 183 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,640 and they were all family. So there was a new realm. 184 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:45,640 There was SF Pictures, EJ Fancy Productions and then Border 185 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,840 Films. So this film today was produced 186 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,640 by Border Films. So as well as being a 187 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,720 distributor, they did also make their own films and not really 188 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,480 many that you could describe as good, but they did make their 189 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,880 own films. So he had Michael Winner working 190 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,000 for him and he produced a couple of short films of Michael 191 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,280 Winners. And Winner told a story in his 192 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,240 autobiography about how they were making a film that had a 193 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,800 scene set in Germany or something. 194 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,800 So they just they got some fake German number plates, stuck them 195 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,800 surreptitiously on some cars that were parked and then just 196 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,680 shot this scene on a street in London to look like it was 197 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:27,480 Germany. And then they just left the 198 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,400 number plates on those cars. So people would have just been 199 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,520 driving around knowing they had German number plates. 200 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,640 So they. Were pulled over by the 201 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,880 Constabulary. Yeah, very low budget, but that 202 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,800 was how Winner got into the film industry basically was through 203 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,320 his connections there. And I mean, he was quite a posh 204 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:48,160 guy and had a lot of money in his family, but still needed a 205 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,080 kind of point of entry into the film industry. 206 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,240 And that was Fancy, because Fancy would employ people who 207 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,160 would work for very little money. 208 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:03,000 And Fancy also produced U KS first British Rock'n'roll film a 209 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,880 couple of years before this one called Rock You Sinners, and 210 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,080 that features both Joan and Jackie Collins. 211 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,080 So that's again got his sort of historical interest. 212 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,440 And his daughter Adrian Fancy was an actress in the 50s. 213 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,040 So she appeared in London entertains. 214 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:29,000 She turns up in The Calling All Cars and she's one of the stars 215 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,760 of Rock, You Sinners. So you know, Fancy would see 216 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,680 that. He saw that rock'n'roll films 217 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:37,840 and music films and variety films were popular. 218 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,320 So I guess that's why he decided to make this one. 219 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,400 But the the catch was that the director would have to use a 220 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,600 load of their kind of archive material, stock footage as well. 221 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,920 It reminded me a bit of Do you know the film targets Peter 222 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,240 Bogdanovich. I do with Karloff. 223 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,240 Yeah, yeah. And it's a similar set up that 224 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,120 Roger Corman said to Bogdanovich. 225 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,800 OK, you can make, you can do your first film, but 25% of it 226 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,160 has got to be footage we already own. 227 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:08,800 What? What's the reason for that? 228 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,760 He had a, well, partly just money because Corman was good at 229 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,520 saving money and also because he had, I think Boris Karloff owed 230 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,440 him two days I think, or three days. 231 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,680 So it's like you can have Karloff for three days, You can 232 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,440 make a film, but 25% of it has got to be footage we've already 233 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,440 got. So anyway, so Bogdanovich, being 234 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,240 a very talented filmmaker, came up with this incredible kind of 235 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,600 early Hollywood new wave film targets. 236 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,760 So the same set up eight years. It's, it's sorry, just to just 237 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,360 interrupt, but the film it is, it's a brilliant film. 238 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,120 If if listeners aren't aware of it, it's it's loosely based on 239 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,720 the Charles Whitman murders, isn't it? 240 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,280 Something like that. The sniper who was picking off 241 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,440 people. But it uses this footage of an 242 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,760 earlier Corman Boris Karloff film. 243 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,480 And so so Michael Wenner is called into EJ Fancy's office 244 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,120 and given a similar he didn't have Boris Karloff, sadly, but 245 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,000 he said, I can give you, I can give you Jack Jackson. 246 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,440 And you've got to make a film. But about 25% of it has got to 247 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,280 be footage we've already got in a vault. 248 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,120 And so he came up with Climb up the Wall. 249 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,520 Hello, Fast. What are you doing here? 250 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,680 Well, we're looking for singers. Singers. 251 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:26,720 Yeah. Oh, wow. 252 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,720 Just a minute. We've had enough of that. 253 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,960 You'll disturb the patients upstairs. 254 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,480 Oh, somebody else. You are. 255 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,840 You see, either you're 5 minutes fast or my watch is dead. 256 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,800 It can't be. You fed it two hours ago. 257 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,720 Oh, forget it. Where you going? 258 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,680 I'm going out here to hear my girl sing. 259 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:45,640 Yes. Yes. 260 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,200 Lovely girl. Yeah, in there. 261 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,200 Have you seen it? Oh, you mean the one with the 262 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,400 beautiful golden hair and the cute little dimple in the side 263 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,560 of the cheek and every chin turn up nose have these shoulders? 264 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:03,440 No, I haven't seen her. Malcolm. 265 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:05,120 Hello. Yes, Glenn. 266 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,120 Is that Jack with you? Jack. 267 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,120 Yes, I'm women. I'm asking. 268 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:09,080 Hello. Is that you? 269 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,440 Yes, this is me. I'm with you. 270 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:11,920 Yes, it's him. He's with me. 271 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:17,160 I thought it was Glenn. Do they serve dress crab here? 272 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,400 Yes, they serve anybody. Well, look, give this one a 273 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,240 feed. He's hungry. 274 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:25,320 Oh, hello. Hello. 275 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,440 Hello. Is that you? 276 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,720 Nice to have had you do come again when we're closed. 277 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,000 Yeah. Thank you very much. 278 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,720 Goodbye. A lot of my time and effort has 279 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,280 been taken up trying to work out who half the people. 280 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,960 Were yes, who they all are, yes. Yeah, I've been doing a bit of 281 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:46,640 that. Yeah. 282 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,280 I found a couple of useful reviews at the time that did 283 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,880 actually kind of list who everyone was, which was helpful. 284 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,360 But yeah, it's an interesting little. 285 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,120 Film. OK, Jack Jackson. 286 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:05,240 I only became aware of him through Goon Pod, actually, and 287 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,520 I can't remember for the life of me who it was who first talked 288 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:10,640 about him. It was a guest. 289 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,839 I've got a feeling it might have been either John Cantor, the 290 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:19,359 writer John Cantor or Christopher Douglas, you know, 291 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,119 the creator of Ed Reardon's week. 292 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:23,599 Oh yes, sorry, that was a good episode. 293 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:26,480 Yeah, it's what I'm sure it's one of those two talked about 294 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,560 being big fans of of Jack Jackson back in the day. 295 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,440 And I guess I don't know much about him, but he he was like a 296 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,840 prototype Kenny Everett stroke Adrian, just character, wasn't 297 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,560 he? Yeah, he was one of the first 298 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,120 DJs on Radio One, but before that he'd been on the BBC Light 299 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:48,240 programme. But before that he was a dance 300 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,080 band leader. So he was a kind of musician and 301 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,600 trumpeter in the 40s, which obviously he does a little bit 302 00:17:53,600 --> 00:18:01,720 of in in this film and then became ADJ in the late 40s and 303 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,080 did that basically right up until he died in 1978. 304 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,480 But he he had a known he was also a recording artist in his 305 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,840 own right. He had a recording studio in his 306 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,920 house and they produced very I was looking earlier at the list 307 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,480 of bands they him and his son, who we also see in this film, 308 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,200 Malcolm. They had a sound studio and they 309 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,600 launched their own record label, which included Elton John and 310 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,360 Motörhead at one point. What? 311 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,280 Yeah, as in as interesting Reg, Dwight, Elton John or Yeah, 312 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,200 Yeah. Right. 313 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,880 Oh, as far as I know, yeah. OK, Yes, the the Elton. 314 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,160 John No, but I mean, I mean, I mean when he was just Reg, not 315 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:42,920 Elton. That's. 316 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,040 Oh, yeah. No, I think he was out at the 317 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,480 time. Yeah. 318 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,400 But he was mainly known, yeah. Like you said, he was a kind of 319 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:55,720 early adopter of that style of presenting that was later taken 320 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,560 up by people like Kenny Everett, where he would use sound effects 321 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,000 and kind of comedy. And you can see in this film the 322 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,280 way he presents and there's often little lots of throwaway 323 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,240 gags. That was sort of his 324 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:14,160 presentation style, mixing in sound effects and noises and 325 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,120 stuff. And he was so popular that when 326 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:22,280 he moved to Tenerife in 1960, he just carried on recording his 327 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,560 BBC shows and then posting them back to the back to London, 328 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,840 right. OK. 329 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,320 Which I I guess he didn't have a phone in which that would have 330 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:34,640 been difficult. But yeah, so he was very popular 331 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,680 and pretty much forgotten, I would say now. 332 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,480 But he he is also credited with being the first person to call 333 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,440 the BBC auntie. Oh, really? 334 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,520 It's just listed among I've a couple of websites that talk 335 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,120 about him. There's a really good website 336 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,880 called Radio Rewind. It's actually got some audio 337 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,600 clips of him from his Radio 1 show that you can listen to if 338 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,440 anyone's curious. But yes, apparently that is one 339 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,960 of the claims about him that he nicknamed the BBC Auntie. 340 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,480 So there you go. So but yeah, he wasn't much of 341 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,880 an actor or like it was mainly radio. 342 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,560 So it's kind of interesting that he ended up. 343 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,240 In this because that wasn't his usual thing. 344 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,720 His usual thing was radio. Well, I guess Fancy was wasn't 345 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,040 in it for the art. He was in it to make money or to 346 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,960 to cash in on the latest craze or the latest big thing. 347 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,800 And around this time Jack Jackson would be very popular on 348 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,160 the radio. So so makes sense. 349 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,760 And this is very much a kind of proto. 350 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,760 It's triad dad. But doesn't this come out fast? 351 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,120 I. Think yeah it's track data is 352 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,680 62. Yeah, but there's a lot of sort 353 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,320 of gimmickry and playing around with editing that they do in 354 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,640 that film, like where they they need to get from one place to 355 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,640 another place. So they just do it by in an in 356 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,640 an edit. And there are similar gags about 357 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,440 form and TV and all sorts of stuff. 358 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,920 So they were trying to do something creative and I'm, I'm 359 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,880 imagining although there was a script, but it says the writers 360 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,960 were Michael Wenner and Jack Jackson. 361 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,280 I would I would be inclined to think it was more Jack Jackson. 362 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,600 Yeah. Than Michael Wenner. 363 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:22,000 I don't know. I mean, Michael Wenner, did he 364 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,240 make comedies? I mean, he made Bullseye later 365 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,880 on his career, didn't he? But did he make comedies? 366 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,640 Really? He made light films like The 367 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,640 Cool Mikado and stuff in the 60s, didn't he? 368 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,120 But. Yes, when it comes. 369 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,840 To writing, I don't. I mean, I know what he is as a 370 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,320 director, but I don't know as a writer if he's got the chops. 371 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,560 Well, yeah, I mean, who knows? Obviously. 372 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,760 I mean, Parting Shots is also very funny, but possibly not 373 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,320 deliberately, No, But yeah, he did do. 374 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,760 I mean, he did films like I'll Never Forget There was not 375 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,040 Deliberate. I'll Never Forget. 376 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,240 What's his name? That's pretty good. 377 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,920 And I mean, he did a kind of cool trilogy. 378 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:03,760 Some like it cool, play it cool. And the cool Mikado. 379 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,240 The cool Mikado's got Frankie Howard in it. 380 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,200 It's also got, I thought because I have seen it once. 381 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,320 Hasn't it got Tommy Cooper in a rare film role? 382 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,480 Oh, I believe so, yes. Speaking of which, somebody else 383 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,880 from our film today turns up in the plank alongside Tommy 384 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,280 Cooper. I noticed that, yes. 385 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,800 Yeah, yes. But you are right, thinking 386 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,440 about it, this is kind of a precursor to it's Traddad and 387 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,840 somewhere. I mean, Craig Douglas is in both 388 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,360 films, Yeah. Of course, yeah. 389 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,680 And of course there's no real plot as such in this one. 390 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,000 Like at least in it's Traddad there is a narrative arc. 391 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:39,720 Sort of. Yeah. 392 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,640 Whereas in is this one, it's just let's string together a 393 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,360 load of stuff with some gags in between and something to do with 394 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:49,760 a time machine, but they give up on that halfway through anyway, 395 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,320 and then they come back at the end. 396 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,480 Well, I I would imagine that most people listening to this 397 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,560 won't have seen climb up the. Wall stop. 398 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,440 Stop listening now. Go out. 399 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,680 Buy that. Buy that 30 LB copy of eBay. 400 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,960 Don't wait. Be the first one to grab it 401 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,960 quick. But we're not going to spoil it. 402 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,400 We are going to talk about the film, but there's no spoilers to 403 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,360 spoil, is there? There's no sort of because it's 404 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:16,240 just, it's, it's just sort of just stuff happens. 405 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,760 I'll, I'll, I'll read a quick, I'll read a short review that I 406 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,640 picked up which was printed in the whole Daily Mail in August 407 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,760 1960, simply because it gives a kind of an overview of what the 408 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,440 film is sort of about. It says it's crazy, it's 409 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,000 laughter raising. It's Jack Jackson who in Climb 410 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,320 Up the Wall really goes to town with a machine he has invented, 411 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,360 which by pressing knobs on a complicated looking dial brings 412 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:48,320 to a screen any personality he wishes, though at times it is 413 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,880 hard to follow the point of the story. 414 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,680 With 10 top tunes and such stars as Russ Conway, Glenn Mason, 415 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,720 Craig Douglas, Mike Preston, Cherry Wiener and a host of 416 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,960 pretty girls, this mixed up light hearted comedy does it's 417 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:08,040 best to drive you up the wall. I mean, yes, I couldn't argue 418 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,360 with any of that. Yeah, it is very much like 419 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,360 Michael Winner has just pointed a camera at people in a room and 420 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,320 said go on then. Yeah, do something. 421 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,040 Yeah. I mean, I remember in your 422 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,320 conversation about it's Trad Dad, how one of the things that 423 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,920 you guys pointed out was how good the kind of the framing and 424 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,440 the editing were and how influential that style would go 425 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,680 on to be. And obviously with Hard Day's 426 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,000 Night, but just in music videos in general, unfortunately we 427 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,560 don't get that same level of creativity here. 428 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,960 There are, it is, like you said, just point the camera on a, on a 429 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,320 wide shot and people just do their thing. 430 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:51,520 And there's not much in the way of creative anything really, 431 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,840 which is, which is a pity. But he was learning. 432 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,800 He was, you know, he was new. He was learning. 433 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,560 He hadn't had, yeah, he hadn't had like 10 years in television 434 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,520 or anything like that. He just sort of was just getting 435 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,320 going. Well, that's the thing. 436 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,480 Because he was a he was a reporter journalist of sorts, 437 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:14,000 wasn't he? Because he actually, again, I've 438 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,200 talked about this on an episode of Goon Pod relatively recently. 439 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,320 He interviewed the goons in late. 52 I'd forgotten about 440 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,880 that, yeah. Yeah, because he was a cub 441 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,680 reporter on the on the Marley Bone and Paddington Mercury. 442 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,080 Junior Reporter. Yeah, and in his. 443 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,520 In his shorts. Yes, but he was only about 17 or 444 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,800 18 or something, I think. But he went he interviewed well 445 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,880 say he interviewed the goons in late 52. 446 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,720 It was around the time that they did that Robin Hood radio 447 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:53,360 pantomime in in series 3. And so Spike was actually absent 448 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:59,120 because he was in hospital and Dick Emery and Carol Carr were 449 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,800 guests for that. So Michael Winner does this long 450 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:11,720 story about the goons in general and and their their world, and 451 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,960 he implies that he's speaking to Spike as well. 452 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,760 Oh, right. The the way it's written, it 453 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,560 implies that Spike's there, but Spike wasn't there. 454 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,560 We know because he was, he was in hospital. 455 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,160 So he's obviously made stuff up. And he also. 456 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:35,400 Winner interviewed Sellers in May 53 when Sellers was making 457 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:41,120 the Super Secret Service and and Winners basically saying it's 458 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,440 going to be a great film, can't wait to see it, blah, blah, 459 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,480 blah. So he's bigging them up and he's 460 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,880 an early, you know, he's an early supporter if you like. 461 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,080 And then it's it's interesting, of course, that he would then 462 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,480 fill it. Bits of their performances from 463 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,680 down among the Z men's some seven years later. 464 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,240 Although notably no Spike apart from Jack Jackson's 465 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:10,040 impersonation of Echoes. It's weird that it is. 466 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,760 It's very odd. But now let me see the first 467 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:23,720 goon, right? How? 468 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,800 Is that Claude Debbier? That's more like Spike Milligan 469 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,560 to me. Oh, what was that, Waldo? 470 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,120 Anyway, that was long before my day, yes, but not before Francis 471 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:41,720 Day. Let's switch her on. 472 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,320 The film begins, we get the opening credits, and then we see 473 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,480 we're at Jack Jackson's actual house. 474 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,240 I wonder if it is, Was it his actual house? 475 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,120 Do you know? I wouldn't be surprised. 476 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,520 Probably would have been. Yeah, yeah. 477 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,120 It was either that or it could have been EJ Fancy's house. 478 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:59,880 Yeah, they had a kind of country house outside Worthing with big 479 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,720 gardens and horses and stuff. So possibly down there, I'm not 480 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,680 sure. OK, and he says what you're 481 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,920 about to see may seem strange to your ears and and tells us that 482 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,000 he will be presenting artists from the past, the present and 483 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,280 the future. And then he holds up a skull and 484 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,120 says he and the producer hope you enjoy the film. 485 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,520 So who's that meant to be? Is the skull meant to be fancy? 486 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,800 Well, it's, yeah, I should have mentioned, although, yeah, EJ 487 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,280 Fancy kind of looms large over all of these things because this 488 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,320 was a border film. If you notice in the opening 489 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,520 credit it says produced by Negus Fancy. 490 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,680 Oh OK, didn't pick up on that. And yeah, so that was actually. 491 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,720 So there's a very complicated family situation going on here. 492 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,600 So EJ was married and had two children with with that wife. 493 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240 But at the same time that his two children were born, he'd 494 00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,200 also started a relationship with another woman and had two 495 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,520 children with her. So he lived with his main wife 496 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,000 in the big house on this estate outside Worthing. 497 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,080 And then the second became, she became known as his common law 498 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,520 wife and she even took on his surname. 499 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,640 So Olive, her name was Olive Negus and she became Olive Negus 500 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,640 Fancy. So she was calling herself his 501 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,480 wife, even though she technically wasn't his wife. 502 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,400 But she lived up. I've been told she lived in a 503 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:33,000 house on the same grounds and her two children with EJ worked 504 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,320 for her at Border. So there were three of them 505 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,520 working there and then his children with his regular wife, 506 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,320 if you like, worked up in the New Realm office just down the 507 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,800 road, because this is all in Soho. 508 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,920 So, yeah. So Nigger's fancy was actually 509 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:53,720 Olive Nigger's fancy, who ran Border films for for quite a 510 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,840 good number of years. In fact, just today, by 511 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,800 coincidence, I was in London this morning and I had time to 512 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,400 kill while I was waiting for a shop to open. 513 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,840 Oi Oed around the corner to Wardour Street and had a good 514 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,920 look at Border film offices. It's still there. 515 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,640 Oh, really? Yeah, it's, well, it's. 516 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,000 Still, it's still a going concern. 517 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,680 Surely not. No, the the place is still 518 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,280 there, but it's now a tortilla and burritos place. 519 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,480 It's next door to that place is it was called the Marquee Club 520 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,760 St. that really famous venue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 521 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,880 It's basically next. It's next to that. 522 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,240 I've got a photo of the border offices from about 1970. 523 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,840 So it's I knew it's the same place, but yeah. 524 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,160 So Olive was down the road with her two children. 525 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,240 Well, EJ was up the road with his, why, actual wife and his 526 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,280 other two children and they, they all worked for him. 527 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,360 But apparently there was one I was told about one time the 528 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,000 phone rang and said the secretary said to EJ, Mrs. 529 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,720 Fancy's on the phone. And then his wife came storming 530 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,720 and said she's not Mrs. Fancy, I'm Mrs. Fancy. 531 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,720 Well, she's a she's a fancy woman, isn't? 532 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,760 She yeah, yeah, very strange. But anyway, so yes. 533 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,600 So when he says the producer, that could be her right that 534 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,680 he's referring to. There's also a nice gag there 535 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,400 because he talks about how this isn't television and then he 536 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,520 puts his head through the screen of the We're Looking at ATV 537 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,320 screen and then his head comes through as if it's bursting out 538 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,280 of the cinema screen, which I thought was quite creative. 539 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,640 He's got this huge wall sized like what would you call it, 540 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080 console thing. Yes. 541 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,840 With with the TV screen with knobs and dials and gauges and a 542 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,480 telephone receiver and whiskey dispenser even. 543 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,120 Yeah, it's like the machine that goes ping. 544 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,280 It's just one of these things with lots of dials and buttons 545 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,880 and not really sure what it does, but apparently it's a kind 546 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,960 of Time Machine telly viewer. Yes, and he says he can receive 547 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,320 voices from outer space. Yeah, although they don't 548 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,600 really. Well, they, they do briefly look 549 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,360 into the stars, but not much really happens. 550 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,080 But. We do hear a fragmented 551 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,640 recording. Unless it's someone doing an 552 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,320 impression, it's a recording of Charlie Drake going Hello my 553 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,080 darlings. Yeah. 554 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,600 And and what sounds like someone doing an impression of Eccles, 555 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,000 whether that's Jack Jackson. Yes. 556 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,120 Not sure, there's some belching. So you kind of you realise where 557 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,040 you are pretty much from the off with. 558 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,920 This film, yeah, we don't get any alien encounters, which 559 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,880 would have been fun. Yeah. 560 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,840 Again, it was kind of like you had an opportunity there, so 561 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,080 maybe even like a puppet alien or something, but no. 562 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,080 Yeah, no. And then, just for no reason, 563 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,600 Jack Jackson calls on Professor Benteen. 564 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,920 And this is where we get a quick clip. 565 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,280 Oh yes, of the classic chair back. 566 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,160 Yeah, sketch. With with his voice speed up. 567 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,920 It's to sort of, he says. Professor Benteen will explain 568 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,800 how the machine works. And then they just cut to a clip 569 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,920 of that from Down Among the Zeed Men. 570 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,240 And that was his, that was his, his thing for years, wasn't it? 571 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,800 The chair back, it was a sketch. And I've watched his performance 572 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,480 of it in Down Among the Zeed Men and I, I don't get it, but. 573 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,560 No, well, I do get it, but it's not particularly funny. 574 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,600 I've seen him do it as well on Frost on Sunday from the late 575 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,480 60s. Oh right, that that might be 576 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,640 better. It's not really it's, it's more 577 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,320 or less exactly the same as in segment. 578 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,000 So he's not really developed the the ACT. 579 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,880 Because he's he's so frantic in his performance. 580 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,240 Like, it's funny that in this film they speed it up and they 581 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,560 almost don't need to because, yeah, the original is so fast 582 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,720 that it it's kind of, it's a bit manic and hard to follow what 583 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,720 he's going on about, I found. Yeah, although some people say, 584 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,760 and I'm inclined to agree with them, I suppose in fact, you and 585 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,600 you and I may have even discussed this when we talked 586 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,320 about it. Some people say that he's the 587 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,000 best thing in down among the Z men, Michael Benton. 588 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,520 And maybe he is. Yeah, it's not saying a lot, 589 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,880 but. Yes, what have we got here? 590 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,040 So. Oh God. 591 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,280 So Jack Jackson's son Malcolm arrives and I read down at first 592 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,280 he's more awkward than Douglas Barter at a roller disco and he 593 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,560 he really looks uncomfortable, but he seems to kind of get it 594 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,360 loosens up a bit as the film goes. 595 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,560 On yeah, I mean, he wasn't an actor and I think this is the 596 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,760 only time he ever really made a film. 597 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,920 He did, like I said, he got involved in the the music 598 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,440 business, but he seems quite gained to go along with it. 599 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,880 And obviously he's basically just doing his dad's jokes. 600 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,320 Can I, can I tell you something as well? 601 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,480 This is this must be a sign of me getting on a bit or just 602 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,320 losing the plot a bit. So I watched the film a couple 603 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,040 of times. I'm making all these notes and 604 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,960 also trying to identify who a couple of the artists are 605 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,720 because it's there's a, most of them are easy to identify or 606 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,200 relatively easy, but there's a couple I struggled with. 607 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,040 And I'll tell you what I spent, I'm not joking, 20, maybe 30 608 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,040 minutes trying to look up, thinking that one of the 609 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,480 artists, one of the black artists in this, trying to work 610 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,400 out who he was in the cast list. And I spent a good 20 minutes or 611 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:37,360 so Googling Malcolm Jackson because I'd completely failed to 612 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,200 realise that Malcolm Jackson is of course, Jack Jackson's son 613 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,640 who's in the film. Yes. 614 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,360 So that was a fruitless 20 minutes. 615 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,240 Right. Are you talking about George 616 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:54,760 Calypso brand? Well, I, I, I worked out who he 617 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,000 was. It's the it's the guy towards 618 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,640 the end with. Oh, the singer at. 619 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,000 The end? Yes, with What's the name? 620 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,560 With Cherry Wayne. Cherry Wayne. 621 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,440 Yeah. Yeah, I think he might have just 622 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,160 been a member of her band. OK, She had a band called I just 623 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,920 want to get this rolled. The Lord Rockingham's 11. 624 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,200 That's right, yes. So I was wondering whether he 625 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,040 was a member of that because they were quite a big group of 626 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,920 people. So he may have been in that 627 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,760 band. Well, her husband was in that 628 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,240 band, wasn't he? Yeah, he was the drummer there. 629 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,680 There's a part in there where they do a drum solo together. 630 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,560 Yeah, that's her and her husband. 631 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,600 That's great. I think her number in the film 632 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:48,880 is my favorite bit. The. 633 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,360 She looks like a lot of fun. Yeah. 634 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,200 Funny. Though her dress keeps changing, 635 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,160 but not in a kind of deliberately woo Hoo kind of 636 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,440 way. It's almost just like they 637 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,120 forgot the continuity. They just were filming on 638 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,240 different days and they forgot to mention to kind of make sure 639 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,400 you wear the same dress again. Continuity, schmunter community. 640 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,520 Yeah, when it would have said, funny enough, I was watching 641 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,280 this, one of the friends I was watching this with was Andrew 642 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,080 Hickey. And. 643 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,040 And he he's tell me quite a bit about Cherry Waner. 644 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,520 Oh yeah. And she she had a lot of early 645 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,160 success in the 50s and then just kind of gave it up, more or 646 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,800 less. Yeah, I read that she they went 647 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:53,760 to Vegas to work in Cabaret in the late 60s and she ended up 648 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800 working in a gift shop in Vegas. Yeah. 649 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,600 For a number of years. But just even on the evidence of 650 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,920 this film, she's very talented. Yeah, she's got lots of 651 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,920 personality and she's sitting there playing that hilarious 652 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,840 Hammond organ, that whole. Yeah, I love that whole bit. 653 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,320 I think it's my, it is my favorite bit. 654 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,480 The way she's. I like the framing, the camera. 655 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,600 She's just kind of filling the frame, staring almost slightly 656 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,920 unnervingly at the straight at the. 657 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,200 Yeah, that's it. She looks. 658 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:30,880 She looks wired, almost, but. She was quite popular on TV in 659 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,920 the 60s as well. She was on a few TV shows, like 660 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,840 6-5 special and that kind of stuff I think. 661 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now someone else who was very 662 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,960 popular, another musician, if you want to call him that, Glenn 663 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:49,520 Mason, it's. Hard to tell if he was a singer 664 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,880 or a comedian because he's he's mainly in the film as a comedian 665 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,160 and then he finally sings one song. 666 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,960 Well, he wrote one of the songs. Yes. 667 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,920 Oh yeah, who sings that one? Mike Preston at the. 668 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,400 Beginning. That's Mike Preston, isn't it? 669 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:03,760 Yeah. I. 670 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,560 Sing weirdly singing in the winter at the Albert Memorial. 671 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,960 Yeah, it's around you. Can see the steam. 672 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,920 You can see the steam coming out of their their breath. 673 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,040 Yeah, it's so cold. So Jack Jackson says to Malcolm, 674 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,560 his son Malcolm, you can, you know, ask the machine to conjure 675 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,880 up anything more or less. Oh, yeah, anything. 676 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,320 And he says, naturally, he says, well, I'd like it to recreate 677 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,560 what Glenn Mason did at the park last week. 678 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,360 No Wouldn't we do get a very quick clip of Seeking from Z Men 679 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,720 putting a record on? Yes, they would go back to that 680 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,160 several times in the film. Didn't. 681 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,440 They now Glenn Mason, we see him playing tennis in the park or a 682 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,360 park and Libby Morris walks up and asks him what he's doing and 683 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,320 they enjoy several minutes of leaden banter. 684 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,840 There's a good bit of banter there, almost like they're a 685 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,440 double act. But he's got this weird. 686 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,040 He's doing this because he's Scottish, isn't he? 687 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,480 But he's doing this kind of weird transatlantic accent 688 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,640 thing. Yeah, she's Canadian. 689 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,120 And she was the one who appeared in the plank. 690 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,800 Yes. And bizarrely, and it's a film I 691 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,320 actually really enjoy, United 93, the the what's his name, 692 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,040 Paul Greengrass film. Which is, Oh, that. 693 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,760 Oh, I see. I'm think I'm still thinking 694 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,680 60s. No. 695 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,320 Oh, you mean that film? That film. 696 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,800 OK, right. Fair enough. 697 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,480 It's it's an odd end to her career, but there you go. 698 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,680 Yeah, she also appeared on the Jack Jackson show five years 699 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,360 before this on on his radio show. 700 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,320 And she also did theatre and cabaret and kind of comedy comic 701 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,240 songs, I guess, sort of a singing comedian. 702 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,280 And yeah, they had a nice bit of banter there. 703 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,560 Some people might be interested to know, of course, that she did 704 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,120 one of the voices on Space Patrol. 705 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,200 Oh, right. OK, early puppet show. 706 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,240 There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 707 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,560 OK. Glenn Mason, he was born. 708 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,000 He was born Tom Lennon. Lennon. 709 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,280 He should have kept that surname. 710 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,760 Yeah, but he was annoyed. I mean, let's be honest with 711 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,760 this whole film, as I was sitting here watching this 712 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,240 again, I just thought, thank goodness The Beatles came along. 713 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,840 Or, you know, we would have. They would have had to put up 714 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,120 with this kind of clock cutter, the whole 60s. 715 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,880 Yeah, well, Mason was George Martin produced a couple of 716 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000 Glenn Mason's tracks, including Green Door, right. 717 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,760 And and Glenn Mason later appeared in a couple of winner 718 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,520 films that we've mentioned, one of them called Mikado and also 719 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,320 Behave Yourself. He he was very prolific in the 720 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,720 late, mid to late 50s. He was it says there was an 721 00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,400 interview in the Daily Mirror in January 1960s. 722 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,920 So right about the time this film, this would have been 723 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,600 filmed. And the headline, the headline 724 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,760 is bachelor gay exclamation mark, right? 725 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,160 And it says, it says singer-songwriter Glenn Mason, 726 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,840 veteran of 320 television shows, glanced around the West End 727 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,000 restaurant, grinned and whispered in my ear, I daren't 728 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,840 get married. I'm the last bachelor. 729 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,560 I'm holding up the banner for man. 730 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,920 Right. Described as an X minor 29 year 731 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,600 old, Glenn said marriage might interfere with my weekly 732 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,600 football matches with the Showbiz 11. 733 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,800 Oh yeah, which we get some footage. 734 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,160 We do in this film, yeah. Where they played against Billy 735 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,840 Wright. I that was so incomprehensible 736 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,880 to me, that Hulk, So he's he meets Libby or Libby meets him 737 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,520 in the, in the part where he's playing tennis. 738 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,360 Then they start talking about football. 739 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,600 Then they get on the train and we see what I later found out 740 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,080 was footage of the Showbiz Football 11, including Billy 741 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,000 Wright, who is described as Mr. Beverly in the film. 742 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,080 The reason they call him Mr. Beverly is that he at the time 743 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,600 was married to one of the Beverly sisters, It. 744 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,360 Was an extra joke. Yeah, See, they're trying to 745 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,600 cram the jokes. Yeah, well, I used to live in 746 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,120 Stoke on Trent, where Billy Wright was very much a national 747 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,840 hero and there was a statue to him in the middle of Stoke. 748 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,400 He's just one of those names. I I was vaguely aware of the 749 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,440 fact that he was a famous footballer back in the dim, 750 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,000 distant past. Yeah. 751 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,080 And this is where we somehow we get this football match and then 752 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,640 and then they're back in the back in the park and this tall 753 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,560 bloke walks up to Libby and Glenn and starts singing. 754 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,520 Try again and this is Mike Preston. 755 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,040 And they're all like all the singers in this, like all these 756 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,920 male singers, they're kind of very interchangeable, aren't? 757 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,800 They yes. They could all just have been 758 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,360 the same guy, and I wouldn't have noticed that kind of. 759 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,600 Yeah, this. This is what The Beatles killed 760 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,520 off. Like all these guys who thought 761 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,760 they were going to have great, long singing careers, they, when 762 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,640 they were making this film, they only had a couple of years left, 763 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,240 didn't they, before it was all going to change. 764 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,240 Thank goodness. Yeah. 765 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,240 And throughout this film, Glenn Mason, he gets a bit of a 766 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,560 shooing, doesn't he? In in terms of he's he gets the 767 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,800 Mickey taken out of him and. Yes, it reminded me very much of 768 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,760 the way it is very similar to the kind of Morecambe and Wise 769 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,080 Dez O'Connor. Relationship. 770 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,680 That's right, that's right. And then we're back to Jack 771 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,520 Jackson and he mentions for no reason, he, he mentions the 772 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,600 Americans in World War 2, which gives him a good opportunity to 773 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,600 for that. So they could insert that clip 774 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,360 of of sellers from Z Men doing his party piece where he's 775 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,200 playing two American servicemen. Yeah. 776 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,600 Is he supposed to be General Patton or something like that? 777 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,600 Yes, I think so. I think so the, the, the thing 778 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,640 about that performance from Sellers, though, it's, it's 779 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,240 very, it's not particularly funny, but it's, you know, it 780 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:15,560 clearly had demonstrated that he had great talent. 781 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,160 But the character he's playing in the film is, is Colonel Blood 782 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,680 Knock, isn't it not Major? I think it's Colonel Blood Knock 783 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,600 and it's completely at odds with his characterisation of of that 784 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,160 character. Yeah, I, I seem to remember the 785 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,840 conceit in Down Among the Z men is that they're putting on a 786 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,640 show for the troops or something. 787 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,080 So this. Yeah. 788 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,640 So Major Colonel, whatever he is, Blood Knock does an 789 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,640 impression for this show. So that's why he's doing an 790 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,760 American. Yeah, it, but it just seems like 791 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,320 it, it doesn't seem sort of thing that that character would. 792 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,560 Well know. Maybe I'm thinking about it too 793 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:53,920 much. Yeah. 794 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,640 How long ago was that? Well, I'll tell you, son. 795 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,200 It was shortly after the Americans entered the war. 796 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:11,080 Peter Sellers will tell you Hotel on Highgreaves Hotel. 797 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:18,000 I have called you here because we are in a very, very grave 798 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,560 position. Yes, Sir. 799 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,760 We are not only completely 01 moment, Lieutenant. 800 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,720 Hello, HQ. Yes, four dozen. 801 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,840 And another thing. Goodbye, Lieutenant. 802 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,720 We are not only completely surrounded by units of the 15th 803 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,800 Panza Division, but they are at this very moment, Lieutenant, 804 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,160 surrounding and penetrating our main defense line. 805 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,000 Yes. Sir, Gentlemen, it's a good job 806 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,920 you called me in. I can get you all out of this. 807 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,480 My plan is very simple. Permission to speak, Sir. 808 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,000 Thank you, Sir. Madam, we are here and the enemy 809 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,360 is here. Madam, what happens is this. 810 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,680 They attacked. Not now. 811 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,680 And I'm waiting for him to see. I close in. 812 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:21,080 My men. At ease, man. 813 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,360 Permission to speak, Sir. Go ahead, American soldiers. 814 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,160 Well, what about Elvis Presley? Never out of him. 815 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,640 We get an impromptu advert for headache relief courtesy of Jack 816 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,240 Jackson, who stays right into the camera and does this sort of 817 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,800 advert thing. Which again, I think they're 818 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,720 trying to spoof television, yes. Oh, and Elvis. 819 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:47,880 A quick bit of newsreel footage of Elvis when he's going into 820 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,840 the army, Yeah, or coming out of the army, I'm not sure. 821 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,840 But I think, yeah, 1960 was when he went, wasn't it? 822 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,720 I don't know. I don't know my Elvis history as 823 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,600 well as I should, no. Or maybe who knows how old the 824 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,640 footage was, of course. True, yeah. 825 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,040 But yeah, it looks like he's boarding a troop ship. 826 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,160 Yeah, and then Malcolm mentions Tommy Steele, Marty Wilde, Sal 827 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,080 Mineo, Frankie. Those people we we don't get to 828 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,720 see. Cliff Richard Yes, but we do get 829 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:20,200 to see footage of Charlie Koons playing piano. 830 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,920 Oh, yeah, yeah, he just starts talking. 831 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,600 It goes, Oh yes, because Jack Jackson starts playing the piano 832 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,360 and doing a bit of jazz, doesn't he? 833 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,640 And then talks about Charlie Koons. 834 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,040 And then I think they also mentioned Francis Day. 835 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,560 Yeah, he's. Another kind of 30s singer 836 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,160 actress. That's right. 837 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,000 Yeah. This is the thing about Malcolm 838 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,960 is I said when he when he first enters the film, he's very, very 839 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,120 wooden. He seems to have warmed up by 840 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,680 this point because that's. Yeah. 841 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,440 Did you think it was very odd the way he he points at the the 842 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,000 large invention, whatever you want to call it, and says, look, 843 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,920 father, there's something coming up on the screen. 844 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,840 And then he he adopts this weird kind of duck voice and says, and 845 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,840 she sort of shouts, quick, dad, it's on now. 846 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,640 I can't even begin to try and approximate it. 847 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,120 Look. Father, there's something coming 848 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,000 up on the screen. Quick Dad, it's on now. 849 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,000 Yeah, and I imagine there was never more than one taken. 850 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:18,680 Sorry. Now you said about fancy, it 851 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,680 stipulated that what what was that 25% of the footage had to? 852 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,320 Be, I mean roughly I'm, I'm guessing it's about, it's 853 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,680 probably about because it's only an hour long anyway. 854 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,320 That's true. So, you know, if you probably, 855 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,760 if you added up all of the archive footage, it probably 856 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,520 comes to, I don't know, 5 or 6 minutes maybe. 857 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,640 So yeah, maybe more like 10%. Maybe because The thing is they 858 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,920 then show a series of of clips from old westerns. 859 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,400 Yes, they just start counting how many people get shot and I 860 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,840 couldn't work out why we were doing that, I think he says. 861 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,720 It's a game. Malcolm's Malcolm complaints 862 00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,040 that it's too slow. Oh yeah, he's speaking for the 863 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,760 audience. He wants some action. 864 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,160 And his father tells him to start counting the dead bodies. 865 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,440 Now, in the end, there's 22 deaths that we see. 866 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,400 Obviously, it's Western deaths. That ain't nothing graphic. 867 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:14,840 Did you pick up on the fact, though, that at one point an 868 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,000 Indian, as they would have called it back then, is shot and 869 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,160 Jack Jackson counts his death as half? 870 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:29,520 Yes, yeah, sadly, yeah. Which is a shame because there's 871 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,600 another scene, as you've already mentioned, I think just after 872 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:37,000 this one, where they meet George Calypso Brown and his sort of 873 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,120 Jamaican calypso band. And that scene is great. 874 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,440 The music is really good, but I was really cringing. 875 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,480 I was like, please don't be racist. 876 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,920 Please don't say something racist and they don't. 877 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,720 It was a great relief. I mean, the film could have been 878 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:51,200 worse. It could have been worse. 879 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,960 Notice that Jack Jackson says something like he he forgot to 880 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,920 buy the BBC Times. Yes, that was a bit of a. 881 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,560 Weird. It should have been the Radio 882 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,400 Times, darling. Never mind, move on. 883 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,760 Well, yeah, basically because he worked for the BBC. 884 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,640 Maybe he So he must have been deliberate. 885 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,880 How did I? Maybe another gag that's just 886 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,520 not funny 60 years later. There's some very, very obvious 887 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,480 ADR as Jack explains to his son how he met his mother. 888 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,400 There's a couple of moments in the film where they start 889 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,720 dubbing and it's something completely. 890 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:27,800 Different. Oh, it's terrible. 891 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,600 Yeah, yeah. There's a, there's a clip of an 892 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,400 old film which looked to me like it was an actual foreign film. 893 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,840 You know where where there's a there's a clip from an old film 894 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,720 with a boy and a girl. There's a girl at the window. 895 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,520 You know when he's telling the story about how he how he met 896 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,520 his wife and his he was singing outside her window when she was 897 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,200 in hospital or something. Something like that, Yeah, yeah. 898 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,000 It's a lot. I don't. 899 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,720 Yeah, I don't. I haven't been able to identify 900 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:56,480 what that is, no. That clear again? 901 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,440 It was. It was lying around the fancy 902 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,160 production company. Because, yeah, because they were 903 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,360 distributors as well as making their own films. 904 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,880 And by this point, Fancy had already been making his own 905 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,080 films for about 20 years, so he had a lot of material that he 906 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,960 could have drawn on. Yes. 907 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,400 So yeah. Next, Jack is going to explain 908 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,160 to his son how to get into show business. 909 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,360 And he's reading from a from a book. 910 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,240 And it was just the first book, I guess, that they had to hand, 911 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,600 which was a book very clearly about yoga. 912 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,320 So nothing to do with show business. 913 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,120 Yeah. And we have some Spanish dancers 914 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,760 who are doing a routine. It turns out they're in the room 915 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,880 upstairs. Yes, and leading to much 916 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,480 hilarity with plaster coming down from the ceiling umbrella 917 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:51,520 which he struggles to open the umbrella like but again pouring 918 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,040 this plaster dust down on him and he can't get the umbrella 919 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,320 open. When I was thinking how funny it 920 00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,280 would have been if the plaster had run out by the time he just 921 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,360 manages to get it open in time for the joke to work. 922 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,240 Well, they wouldn't do it again, would they? 923 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,120 So it has to work. He talks about the They're going 924 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,840 to leave the house, they're going to go to town. 925 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,040 Oh, no, sorry. No, it's it's Malcolm that says 926 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:14,560 this. He says. 927 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,840 We're going to get with it because it's we're going to go 928 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,800 to to town because it's where where the cool cats are, man. 929 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,320 Because they're looking at all this old stuff. 930 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,480 He wants to see what's happening. 931 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,040 There, Yeah, but if you look at Malcolm Jackson and this, he's 932 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,680 got to be what, 20? Maybe 21, if that. 933 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,760 Yes, I would have said so. Very conservatively dressed, he 934 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,120 looked like to me, to my mind, from a distance, he looked like 935 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:40,680 a young Prince Charles. Yeah, and, and Jack Jackson's in 936 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:47,120 his mid 50s at this point and wearing a very fetching cardigan 937 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,720 and, of course, constantly smoking a fag. 938 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,480 Of course, Glenn Mason's been sleeping in their car, so 939 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,720 obviously they have to allow them to carry on. 940 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,600 I reckon that might have been EJ's car that big. 941 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,760 It's a Rolls Royce's number of Rolls which we they never, which 942 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,920 isn't driven. He obviously we said you can 943 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,200 have the car, but I won't. Let you drive it so they can't 944 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,320 drive it just as Glenn's been a Kip in it. 945 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,760 So they have to try and thumb a lift obviously. 946 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,920 Also, did you notice that when they were saying goodbye to 947 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:25,360 Glenn, he copied more or less the Sellers line from earlier? 948 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,040 When he's doing the, Sellers is doing that impression and he 949 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,920 says and Glenn Mason says to Jack and Malcolm and another 950 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,440 thing goodbye, which is what Sellers had said in that comedy 951 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,800 sequence. And they used the car to do a 952 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,760 little bit of an edit gag, which like a goes back to early silent 953 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,400 film where they go into the get in the car and then there's a 954 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,000 cart and they've got new clothes on. 955 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,600 The magic of cinema. You don't notice it, but this is 956 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,360 where we see George Calypso Brown and his band performing 957 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:03,360 Frankie and Johnny. You do get some clunky kind of 958 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,440 comedy business with Malcolm and Jack and two very bored looking 959 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,920 girls during the song. Yeah, yeah, they're, they're 960 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,760 trying to, I mean, they're trying to liven it up because 961 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,960 some of those, because he's singing, but some of the time 962 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,920 it's more instrumental. So they're trying to put in a 963 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,400 bit of stuff in between. I'm just looked him up. 964 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,440 Actually, George Calypso Brown came from Trinidad. 965 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,400 He actually did do a few of the films. 966 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,000 He turns up in the National Health and he also did 10 967 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,400 episodes of Jack and Oori in the in the 60s, so he did have a bit 968 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,200 of an I. Should have asked Andrew. 969 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,360 He would. He would have known all about 970 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,160 him. I should have asked him. 971 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,200 But yeah, that's, I really like that bit and that's the music is 972 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,760 really good. Like it's the singers, it's the 973 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,720 really bland male singers that make the film drag. 974 00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:53,200 But when you've got stuff like this, it's pretty. 975 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,960 Good. Yeah, this and cheery Weiner. 976 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,840 When the song ends, Jack says Piccadilly line. 977 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,280 He should have changed at Stanmore. 978 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,280 What does that mean? No idea. 979 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,560 Oh yes, because that's that's George's line, isn't it? 980 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,080 Can you tell me the way to Piccadilly or? 981 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,560 Something, yeah, but what? What's What does Stanmore mean? 982 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,240 Well I'm just Googling it now and Stanmore is just a place so 983 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,160 I don't. Know, yeah, could be, could be 984 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,560 rhyming slang for something, I don't know. 985 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,360 Let's keep our fingers. Crossed. 986 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:28,160 This is where we have kind of like, yeah, like you said before 987 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,680 about forerunner of it's Trat. Dad, Malcolm and father close 988 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,040 their eyes, open the mouths and then they suddenly have 989 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,880 miraculously arrived in a new location. 990 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:44,320 Yeah, although they've become separated and I think yes, 991 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,080 Jack's on the other side of town or something. 992 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,040 What's the other way? Around, yeah, Jack, Jack has 993 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:56,480 landed in a what looks like a an art class where where they're 994 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,440 painting, where somebody's like there's a life models posing or 995 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,400 something. Always landed in the windmill 996 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,920 maybe? This is like, yeah, so like this 997 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,120 nude tableau. There's just yeah. 998 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,000 So I guess it's landed in the yeah. 999 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,000 I was trying to think is it is this some sort of life drawing 1000 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,080 or is it the the windmill? Might be the windmill. 1001 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:14,840 No, it wouldn't be the windmill, because they have they have to 1002 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,640 pay to get in, wouldn't they? They're not going to dig. 1003 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,560 Them but it's quite racy for because this film is it was a 1004 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,600 bit unexpected to suddenly seen topless women. 1005 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,880 There's like 5 of. Them well, I I'd when I first 1006 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,120 watched it, I'd briefly taken my eyes off the screen. 1007 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,800 Can you believe it? I took my eyes off the screen. 1008 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,520 My mates went well hey and I'd missed it because it was split 1009 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:41,320 second. Serious film viewers, obviously. 1010 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,400 Yes, Malcolm, meanwhile, is watching dancers in a club and 1011 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,960 there's this this dancer who he describes as a lovely Indian 1012 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,600 girl, standing on nails and then lying on nails. 1013 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:54,920 Yeah. It's. 1014 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,720 Quite a good act. I don't know how they do it. 1015 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,680 Yeah, because then she gets him to come and stand on her while 1016 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,880 she's lying on the nails. Yeah. 1017 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,320 And but yeah, I love these glimpses into Soho nightlife, 1018 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,960 like club nightlife, because you've got the dancers as well, 1019 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,760 doing a little dance act before she comes on. 1020 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,320 And they've just got a couple of musicians and there's just a 1021 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,960 drummer and a bongo player behind them providing the 1022 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,560 accompaniment. It's very similar to the kind of 1023 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,120 Mondo documentaries that came out a couple of years later, 1024 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,720 made by Compton. There's one called Primitive 1025 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,520 London and another one called London in the Raw. 1026 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,840 I've heard of those. Yeah, they're really interesting 1027 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,560 and they go into some of these clubs and film some of these 1028 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,880 nightclub acts. One of them, it's funny, the old 1029 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,840 because I was watching the a lot of these things around the same 1030 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,320 time when I was doing a lot of this sort of early 60s London 1031 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,680 stuff. So I was kept expecting to see 1032 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,840 Lionel Blair in this film. I'd remembered Lionel Blair 1033 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,440 turning up in this, but it's because we see him dancing in 1034 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,920 one of those other ones, some other London nightclub, back in 1035 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,320 the early 60s as my master general Lionel Blair. 1036 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,160 Is. Did he turns up? 1037 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,120 So he's not in this one. Did he talk Disappointed 1038 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,720 Something? What's that film The Small World 1039 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,200 of Sammy Lee? Isn't that? 1040 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,000 Yes, I think so, yeah. Yeah, but he's just a dancer in 1041 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,960 one of those clubs in. It's either London in the raw or 1042 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:22,960 primitive London. But. 1043 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,120 But this film kind of gives us a glimpse of that before they did 1044 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:33,000 those by going out into actual clubs and persuading A nightclub 1045 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,440 act to let them film it. You see though, yeah, but so 1046 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,600 much of this film, when you see them in these clubs and whatnot, 1047 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,560 there's loads of particularly women just sitting around 1048 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,560 looking bored. Yes. 1049 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,520 So I think that was pretty standard. 1050 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,040 Yeah, are. You, Russ Conway? 1051 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,160 Are you David Jacobs? Now, wait a minute. 1052 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,560 Be serious. I got a busy man on the line 1053 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:53,840 here. Are you Russ Conway? 1054 00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:02,000 Yes. Wait a minute. 1055 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,400 Wait a minute. You start out here. 1056 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,240 Well, tell me to play the piano. Anything for peace and quiet. 1057 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:06,840 Yes. OK. 1058 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,720 Excuse me please. Mr. Conway, I can't stand women 1059 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,080 screaming. Now, would you like to play the 1060 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,040 piano for us? Yeah, sure. 1061 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,280 Good. Let's go this way there. 1062 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,240 Malcolm goes to the barn and bumps into Glenn Mason and and 1063 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,760 also Russ Conway. Yes. 1064 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,320 And he's he's someone that I was aware of, of course. 1065 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,040 And I love side saddle, one of his tunes brilliant. 1066 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,440 And and he asked Malcolm if he's David Jacobs. 1067 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,320 And when the rest of the women in the bar hear that it's Russ 1068 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,240 Conway, they scream and swoon and throw themselves at him. 1069 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,320 Yeah. But this gives him. 1070 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,840 Is this his cue to go to the piano and play for a bit? 1071 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,080 Where the piano is this? The wall behind him is just 1072 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,480 plastered with old posters. Build posters. 1073 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,720 Well, I think they're probably not even old. 1074 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:21,760 They look like they're for current. 1075 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,520 Oh, they're probably. And I was, I was mesmerized. 1076 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,560 I was intrigued by one poster. It was right behind him. 1077 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,560 And the artist that it was advertising was 1 Armando 1078 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:38,360 Orifice. Wow. 1079 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,840 Now, if your surname, sorry if because I'm it sounds like a 1080 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,760 stage name. If your stage name was very, 1081 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,200 very close to the word orifice, you'd change it, wouldn't you? 1082 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,080 Unless, you know, it was a novelty act. 1083 01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,000 Maybe. Did you notice? 1084 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,080 Did you notice there's a poster next to that one for an act for 1085 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,760 a show called Sexorama? That's the one that I that's the 1086 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,360 one I spotted. I was too busy looking at 1087 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,640 Armando Horofish. You know the story about Russ 1088 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:17,600 Conway in his later years when he was, he was, he used to 1089 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,120 pretend to be his agent. By the time we get to the 1090 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,760 whatever, 80s or whatever, he doesn't have an agent anymore, 1091 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,560 but he pretends that he does. And so if you wanted to book him 1092 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,200 for something, you'd have to bring his house. 1093 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:37,600 And Russ would answer the phone and say hello and the person 1094 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,600 would say, oh, could we speak to Russ Conway? 1095 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:40,920 We'd like to book him for whatever. 1096 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,640 And he'd say, yes, I'm his agent, let me go and get some 1097 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,840 for you. And then he'd put the, you could 1098 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,560 hear him put the phone down and shout, Russ, there's someone on 1099 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,240 the phone for you, It's a booking. 1100 01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,440 And then he'd wait a couple of moments and then pick up the 1101 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,920 phone and say Russ speaking. So are people supposed to 1102 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,200 imagine that his agent just lived in his house? 1103 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,240 Or that that Ross was always in his agent's office waiting for 1104 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,360 his next job. And they and they had the same 1105 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,800 voice. Yeah. 1106 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,640 Fabulous. But while Russ is doing this, 1107 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:19,320 playing this song, this tune, you see women tapping their 1108 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,680 feet, and that's about as visually arresting an image. 1109 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,960 Yeah, there is one woman that he keeps cutting to. 1110 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,760 Who is dancing? I think maybe she's one of the 1111 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,600 dancers maybe that he's picked up along the way filming in 1112 01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,960 these different clubs because she gets a lot of close-ups. 1113 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,640 Yeah, maybe she was the girlfriend of Winner at the time 1114 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:38,640 or something. Yeah. 1115 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,520 And then Malcolm and Jack are reunited. 1116 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,240 Glen's there on the phone to his mum and they tap him up to pay 1117 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,960 their bar tab and there's some. Really. 1118 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,640 Oh no, they've gone to a restaurant, haven't they? 1119 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,200 They say they're going to go and get dinner. 1120 01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,880 Oh yeah. They're going to, they're going 1121 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:58,320 to sneak out without paying and that's when they run into Glenn 1122 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,320 Mason again. It's quite, it's quite funny. 1123 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,320 He's on the phone to his mum. He's like, it's 4:30, when are 1124 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,440 you coming home? I thought that was quite. 1125 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:06,800 Funny. Do you know what it's it's that 1126 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,040 bit as well. The only time I laughed out loud 1127 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,520 in this film was when during the sequence when the the restaurant 1128 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:19,680 manager comes up to Jack Jackson and Malcolm and says something 1129 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,640 like do come again when we're closed. 1130 01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:26,120 Yeah, yeah. Because there's a whole bit of 1131 01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,080 shtick about them paying the bill. 1132 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:33,080 And so, yeah, Jack says to his son, lend us some money. 1133 01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,600 And then he turns to Glenn Mason, lend me some money. 1134 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,280 Glenn Mason does to the waiter. He says, lend me some money. 1135 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,800 So he does. So it goes all the way back 1136 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,280 round again. And then they pay the bill with 1137 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,680 the money that the waiter just gave them. 1138 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,840 Yeah, Yeah. Which you know, is a bit late. 1139 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,760 You were paying attention. Clearly I wasn't. 1140 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,720 Yeah, it's. Kind of funny. 1141 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,640 We have the kitchen scene, which is. 1142 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,280 Oh yeah, really random. Yeah. 1143 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,360 And that's presumably just because Glenn Mason had a song 1144 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,960 about cooking. He did? 1145 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,720 What was it called? What's cooking, baby? 1146 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,040 Yeah. And they're talking about. 1147 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,240 They've got some more windmill dancers in here. 1148 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,000 Yeah. To do some dancing for them 1149 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,800 while he sings his song. And Jack is going to demonstrate 1150 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,560 how to cook eggs, but then doesn't bother. 1151 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,640 That's where we we get some more clunky ADR. 1152 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,920 Yeah, I think one of the starlets or dancers says this 1153 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,960 egg's burnt. And Jack says, well, rub some 1154 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,880 sun cream in it. That joke was really workshops 1155 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,440 as well probably. Yeah, yeah. 1156 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,160 I mean, one of the problems with this film for for the two 1157 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,800 presenters is that they have to spend a lot of time just 1158 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,560 standing around watching people singing. 1159 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,840 Yeah. Like the bit with the bit 1160 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,560 earlier on with George Calypso Brown, they're just standing in 1161 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,320 the corner watching him. And then there are two girls 1162 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,240 that are sitting there and they end up calling these girls over. 1163 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,760 And it's a bit, you know, because Jack Mason's 55 and 1164 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,440 these girls look like they're about 15. 1165 01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,160 In fact, I think there's a joke. Did you notice? 1166 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,200 He said Jack Jackson says something about I'll see you 1167 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,280 again. And then he says to the camera 1168 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:14,320 in two years, Oh, well, not which I read as a when you're, 1169 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:16,880 when you're league, when you're legal. 1170 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,760 Oh. Dear, his son's there as well. 1171 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,960 With his son, yeah. Jack. 1172 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,800 I don't know, maybe I'm misreading that. 1173 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:29,960 But, you know, just knowing what we know now about the BBC, it 1174 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,400 wouldn't surprise me. But then, yeah, Well, so later 1175 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,880 on in this kitchen scene, they're basically just having to 1176 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,880 sort of stand around and watch him sing a whole. 1177 01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,240 Song Well, Glenn Mason does sing. 1178 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,880 Yeah, he sings What's Cooking, Baby? 1179 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:46,000 And he sounds a bit like one of those club singers that Victoria 1180 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,720 and Bob used to do. Yes, and they boot, they they 1181 01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,480 boot him off for half the song because they just focus on the 1182 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,280 dancers. He's not even on screen half of 1183 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:55,880 it. Poor Glenn. 1184 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:08,600 Hey, what's cooking, baby? With his love of art in our love 1185 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,200 affair, there's nothing but in Broussard. 1186 01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:17,240 I'm always hanging around the telephone, but anytime I call, 1187 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,800 you're never at home. What's cooking, baby? 1188 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,680 We then get a proper star. No disrespect to Glenn Mason, 1189 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:30,160 but Craig Douglas. The conceit is that he's working 1190 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,600 as a dishwasher in the restaurant and he's singing a 1191 01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,320 song in the almost empty restaurant bar. 1192 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:41,000 And he was 18, believe it or not. 1193 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,160 Wow. And he? 1194 01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:44,920 Well, they all looked older in those days. 1195 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,120 Yeah, yeah. They've been smoking since they 1196 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,160 were 12. Yes, we spoke about Craig. 1197 01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,840 And eating lard. Eating lard yes and not going 1198 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,560 out into the sunshine or anything like that so we talked 1199 01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,160 about Craig Douglas when we talked about it's tried dad but 1200 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:04,840 he. Yes. 1201 01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,400 Was he the he was the the male star, right? 1202 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,960 Yeah, it was him, him and whatever age she would have been 1203 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:17,760 15 year old Helen Shapiro. But he he was interviewed by 1204 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:22,359 Disc magazine about this film. OK Oh by the way I want to thank 1205 01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:27,520 Paul Abbott, friend of the show and also Co host of big Beatles 1206 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:32,720 sort out who has access to disc magazine archives and whatnot, 1207 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,560 music papers. And he sent me a bunch of stuff 1208 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:39,200 including this interview. It wasn't much that he didn't 1209 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:43,319 say very much but he did say it was quite, quite interesting. 1210 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:47,040 This because I don't believe a word of it, but I do believe 1211 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,920 this bit. He said about 5 minutes before I 1212 01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,920 was due to do my bit, I was handed a script. 1213 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,279 This is what you've got to say they told me. 1214 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,439 I don't know how I remembered it, in fact I didn't. 1215 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,560 I made it up as I went along, more or less, but the director 1216 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,680 seemed very pleased with me. So I believe that. 1217 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:08,479 What I don't believe is what he he said he describes himself as 1218 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,040 no Marlon Brando, right? OK, well that's fine. 1219 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,800 But then he said he had to because he sings 2 songs in this 1220 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,920 film and he said he had to perform both of them about 50 1221 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,520 times for various camera shots and angles. 1222 01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:24,720 Wow, now clearly that footage got lost in a fire. 1223 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,760 Well, if that's true, then I think we have to reassess 1224 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,359 Michael Winner as a serious auteur. 1225 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,279 Really. Yeah, but none of that got used 1226 01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:39,000 in the edit. That's where did all that go? 1227 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,200 Because it's there's not 50 different angles of him in this 1228 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,279 film by any stretch. Well, the damn thing, I would 1229 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:51,520 say. Because he he goes into the 1230 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,240 restaurant itself and sings, doesn't he? 1231 01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:59,400 For the diners. And the Evening Standard on the 1232 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:06,240 20th of November 1959 includes the little piece about Miss 1233 01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,440 Camilla Jessel. Have you heard of Camilla 1234 01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:11,400 Jessel? I don't think so. 1235 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:16,560 OK, so this piece in the Evening Standard from N59 it reads Lord 1236 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,880 Jessel's daughter Miss Camilla Jessel has played her first film 1237 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,240 role. It is a short feature with the 1238 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,240 tentative title Climb Up the Wall. 1239 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,280 The charming Miss Jessel has a bit part in a sequence at a 1240 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,840 Mayfair restaurant. It requires patience rather than 1241 01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,520 acting ability, she says. I had to sit at a table in the 1242 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,200 evening, dress for about four hours. 1243 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,440 They gave us champagne substitute made of ginger beer 1244 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:44,920 and soda water. The star, Craig Douglas, sang 1245 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,680 several times. So, right, fair enough. 1246 01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,320 Several isn't 50, but you know. But it I mean, it does sound 1247 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:53,760 like they're making a real film. Doesn't. 1248 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,920 It it does, and it also says how much she was paid to sit there 1249 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:02,040 for four hours. OK, £3.10 shillings, which is 1250 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,640 the equivalent of about £71 in today's money. 1251 01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,480 Fair enough. I'm sure she didn't need the 1252 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,800 money though. Lord. 1253 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,880 Lord Jesse's daughter. That's interesting. 1254 01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,520 It's also just worth noting that both Craig Douglas and Glenn 1255 01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:23,920 Mason tried to compete for the UK in Eurovision around this 1256 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,000 time. They both entered themselves but 1257 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,480 didn't get selected. Yeah, there is footage. 1258 01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:33,360 Like I like to get Eurovision facts wherever I can. 1259 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,120 Yeah, I think I mentioned on the It's Trap Dead episode as well, 1260 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,480 there is footage on YouTube of Craig Douglas in his later 1261 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:41,720 years. So he may still be with us. 1262 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,640 Actually, I'm not sure, maybe not, but in in sometime in the 1263 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:51,200 sort of 20 tens, he was filmed recording a cover version of 1264 01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,200 Ready Heads Creep, which you believe. 1265 01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,720 Cool. Yeah, no, he he is still with 1266 01:11:58,760 --> 01:11:59,360 us. I just. 1267 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,280 He is right. Oh, I could have tried to get 1268 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,040 him on the show. Asking for his time. 1269 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,640 Anyway, somehow or other we we end up back at the Jackson 1270 01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,480 family home. They get into the car again and 1271 01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,880 and briefly emerges as sort of an Arab garb and then and then 1272 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,040 back in the normal clothes. Some gags about having lots of 1273 01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:24,800 wives. That's right, yeah, one of them 1274 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,040 says. We've been out all nights, we've 1275 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,840 spent all trying to reproduce something that the machine can 1276 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,320 do better, and that's where we get cherry on the organ. 1277 01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,320 Enjoying yourself? Who whose band is so good that 1278 01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,600 it blows up the machine? Which I guess is kind of a 1279 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,880 spoiler if you do want to watch this all the way to the end. 1280 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,880 Most most of the band does look like your dad's mates from the 1281 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,880 Legion. You know the the they all look 1282 01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:52,720 quite of advanced age. Another. 1283 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:58,240 Yeah, I'm assuming that is the Lord Rockingham's 11 and plus a 1284 01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,760 couple of extra dance. Maybe, yeah, maybe. 1285 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,760 But who knows? Quick glimpse to seek him again. 1286 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,040 We get these little very quick. Yeah. 1287 01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:10,360 Clips, don't we? And like you say, the machine 1288 01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,360 overheats and it blows up. And then the film closes with 1289 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,640 with Jack and and Malcolm as angels playing us out on their 1290 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,120 trumpets. Oh yeah, doing a kind of weird 1291 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,960 trumpet dance that doesn't appear to mean anything or make 1292 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,360 any difference to how they say. No, no. 1293 01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:32,720 So that focuses the film. So yeah. 1294 01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,040 And all of that in only 63 minutes. 1295 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,760 Yeah. That's a lot of entertainment 1296 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,480 packed into a second feature, I think. 1297 01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:45,680 Well, either this this could have been the first feature. 1298 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,240 It was on a double bill. Anyway, I looked it up to see 1299 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,520 what it came out with and it was on a double bill with a film 1300 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:57,560 called Khyber Patrol, which was a 1954 American adventure film, 1301 01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,120 right? So starring Rock Hudson. 1302 01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,600 Right, OK. So what a what a odd double 1303 01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,920 bill. Yeah, I read a few contemporary 1304 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,280 reviews. There weren't that many. 1305 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,520 One quite sympathetic review described it as just the thing 1306 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,800 for the espresso coffee bar trade. 1307 01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,840 Yeah, I mean, I suppose because this is around the same time 1308 01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,480 again, we've got starting to get these films coming out and we 1309 01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:31,280 like Beat Girl and Espresso Bongo and is it the Tommy Steele 1310 01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,520 story, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. 1311 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,640 These these are what the kids are into. 1312 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,560 Well, it's because they had nothing better until The Beatles 1313 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:40,840 came along. Exactly. 1314 01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,880 They were just killing time. Yeah, the the Monthly Film 1315 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:49,680 Bulletin called it surrealist, which is perhaps quite generous. 1316 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,760 I would have said so. But also poverty stricken. 1317 01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,840 I've read, yeah, I've read. 1 review described it as the 1318 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,240 craziest, happiest, zingiest film ever made. 1319 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:04,760 I think Michael Winner probably wrote that. 1320 01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,880 Yes, very possibly. And there's one in Kinematograph 1321 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:13,000 Weekly which was aimed at film industry people rather than the 1322 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,000 public. So this would have been read by 1323 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,240 cinema owners trying to decide whether to take it or not. 1324 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,400 And it says in here that it's got the the lunatic 1325 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,200 conglomeration given an adequate backdrop. 1326 01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,720 I think they mean like the sort of posters and stuff in the 1327 01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,080 lobby should score, particularly with teenagers. 1328 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,840 Good British star, novelty attraction. 1329 01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:37,440 They were quite positive about it. 1330 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:40,240 I'm not sure who the stars are, particularly because Jack 1331 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,720 Jackson was obviously bigger than than we are probably giving 1332 01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,320 him credit for now. So people would have been keen 1333 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,160 to see him. Partic particularly because he 1334 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,200 was famous for radio. So it would have been a bit of a 1335 01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,360 novelty to people to see what he, you know, it'd be like. 1336 01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,960 It would have been like if in 1985 Terry Wogan had made a 1337 01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:04,640 movie featuring five star and I don't know, Kajagugu like. 1338 01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,240 It's sort. Of similar, yeah, it's a kind of 1339 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,240 similar thing, I suppose. Mind you, I would watch that 1340 01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:15,520 film too. I'd love to see a a a narrative 1341 01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,560 film with Terry Logan. Except he'd do the the floral 1342 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,880 dance, wouldn't he? Of course, we'd expect nothing 1343 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,200 less. The trouble is a film like that 1344 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:29,520 in the in the 80s or even the 70s would have had DJs in it. 1345 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,480 That or or musical acts that would mean we couldn't watch it. 1346 01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:38,800 Now, yes, almost certainly, sadly, I looked at Michael 1347 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:45,520 Winner's filmography and so this was his first kind of feature 1348 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,040 length film. Not quite feature length, but 1349 01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,160 more or less. I looked at films of his that 1350 01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:53,720 I've seen. All right. 1351 01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,640 It's surprising isn't it? He's we think of him as just 1352 01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,320 like 3 or 4 films, but actually he's got quite a long, there's 1353 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,840 loads I haven't seen. Well, I've I've seen very few. 1354 01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,840 I've seen the call Mercado. I've seen the the mechanic which 1355 01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:10,840 is Charles Bronson. That's the first 15 minutes of 1356 01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,600 the mechanic is brilliant. Well, it's it's good and the 1357 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,440 rest is terrible. Death Wish I have seen. 1358 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,840 Death wish two I've seen because I remember there was a death 1359 01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,920 wish season on Channel 4 or something about 20 years ago or 1360 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,200 more. And I've seen appointment with 1361 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,480 Death, which is is Poirot, who's Peter Yusenov? 1362 01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:33,760 Poirot. And I've seen Bullseye. 1363 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,760 Of course I haven't seen this sounds intriguing. 1364 01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:43,560 Dirty Weekend from 1993. Me neither, but I have seen 1365 01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:48,320 Parting Shots, his last film, which is it's it's almost like a 1366 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,720 work of art. Is it? 1367 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,080 It's incredible. He's got the most amazing cast, 1368 01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:57,560 people who've won Oscars, but he makes them come across as the 1369 01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:01,840 worst actors you've ever seen. Like he makes Diana Rigg look 1370 01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,000 like she can't. Oh dear. 1371 01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,120 It's it's incredible how you direct. 1372 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:06,760 Might have to watch that. Sure it's. 1373 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,840 Free on Amazon Prime, Prime Video. 1374 01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,440 And it stars Chris Rea, who was not an actor. 1375 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:17,160 Oh my God. And but there's loads of cameos 1376 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:18,520 from. It's basically just getting in 1377 01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,480 all his. Yeah, what it's got Oliver Reed, 1378 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,400 Peter Davison turns up, Ben Kingsley, Bob Hoskins, Joanna 1379 01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,800 Lumley. John Cleese is in there. 1380 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,080 And then his girlfriend is Felicity Kendall. 1381 01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:39,200 And it's an incredible film. Honestly, anyone listening who 1382 01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,280 hasn't seen Parting Shots is well worth it. 1383 01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:44,040 It's one of those films that is probably best watched with 1384 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,360 friends. I would say. 1385 01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,240 Because you won't be able to believe. 1386 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,480 What we're seeing that's I'm going to make a note of that for 1387 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,640 Yeah. Yeah, but another one of his 1388 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,720 films, there's a more serious vein where you actually, because 1389 01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,360 he could be a good director, could he? 1390 01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,840 And I think this, I think The Sentinel is really good. 1391 01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:06,160 That was his sort of kind of Exorcist Omen type horror movie 1392 01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,000 made in the 70s. And that's genuinely really 1393 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,040 good. I think The Sentinel It's got an 1394 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,840 astonishing finale that is quite controversial. 1395 01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:21,680 Let's say it also features the mum from the National Lampoon, 1396 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,600 Christmas Vacation Films, Beverley to. 1397 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,520 Angel in. Quite a saucy role. 1398 01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,200 So yeah, that's actually really. Selling it to me. 1399 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,840 And also the Night Comers I thought was very good, which is 1400 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:41,760 his prequel to The Innocence. So that's one's quite different. 1401 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,160 It's got Marlon Brando in it, and this is, yeah, like the 1402 01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:46,960 innocence, the turn of the screw. 1403 01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:51,200 Yeah, but there's films like Wonton Ton The Dog Who Saved 1404 01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:52,920 Hollywood. I know, right? 1405 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:54,400 Yeah. I don't think I've ever watched 1406 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:58,360 that one, sadly. And of course we can't, we 1407 01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,480 cannot forget his possibly his finest work. 1408 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,120 Those eshore ads he made? Heavens, I forgot to renew the 1409 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,200 car insurance last. Telephone the broker at once. 1410 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,600 Telephone, dear. We're not in the dark ages. 1411 01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:15,800 This is a job for Mr. Mouse. By going online to eshore.com, 1412 01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,120 the mouse cuts out the middle man and could save us a tidy 1413 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,120 sum. What a clever little mouse. 1414 01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,480 I bought him some cheese. Calm down dear, it's not a real. 1415 01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:27,400 Mouse. Oh, I think he's asleep. 1416 01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:30,080 esure.com. Great. 1417 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,280 Value car insurance at the click of a mouse. 1418 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:34,880 But yeah, he definitely had talent. 1419 01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:39,600 It's not necessarily evident in Climb Up the Wall, but he when 1420 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,480 he wanted to be good, he could be good. 1421 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,160 I did have a ticket to go and see him doing it. 1422 01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:48,440 He was going to do an event at the Cinema Museum years ago and 1423 01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:50,560 I was excited. I was going to go and go and see 1424 01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,200 this Q&A with him. And then he died. 1425 01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,640 I know. So that didn't happen. 1426 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,280 Yeah. And it was tragic for me, 1427 01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,800 obviously. You're the real victim here, 1428 01:20:58,800 --> 01:20:59,160 aren't you? It's. 1429 01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:01,680 Terrible. OK. 1430 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:06,000 So have you got anything else you want to say about this 1431 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,760 before we wrap up? Well, I mean, obviously I've, 1432 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,760 I've been wanging on about the fancies for years and years, but 1433 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,280 I just think that there there's so many different elements to 1434 01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:20,120 them as a family and the companies that they had and the 1435 01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:24,560 films that they made, the legal issues that they got into, they 1436 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,760 were court cases and EJ Fancy was in prison at one point. 1437 01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,080 Like there's a lot of interesting stuff in that family 1438 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,720 that maybe I will write up properly one day rather than it 1439 01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,800 just sitting in my thesis that no one ever reads. 1440 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,600 But yeah, so this is a good example of I think it's it's not 1441 01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,280 necessarily the only kind of film that they made, but it's a 1442 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:50,040 good example of what they would rush out to try and capitalise 1443 01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:54,440 on a on a trend, but just on like lots of other people would 1444 01:21:54,440 --> 01:21:56,680 have been doing, but just on a really, really, really low 1445 01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,720 budget. And and that obviously does 1446 01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:03,560 show, I know we've probably made this film sound quite painful, 1447 01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:08,200 but there it has got historical interest for sure. 1448 01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,280 I would say for that, that you talk about this a lot on Goon 1449 01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,840 Pod because, you know, Goon Pod is secretly a Beatles podcast 1450 01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:19,400 because everyone knows so revealed not see the secret is 1451 01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:20,960 out. So climb up the wall is just 1452 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,400 another one of those. It's another part of that 1453 01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:27,320 picture, isn't it, of what was going on in the the late 50s, 1454 01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,320 because this would have been shot in 1959. 1455 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:37,040 So where where British popular culture was at and what why 1456 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:38,920 things needed to change when they did. 1457 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,000 And so it's it's you know, it's interesting for that. 1458 01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,240 I mean, of course, we mentioned Craig Douglas. 1459 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,960 He sang on the bill. He was the top of the bill when 1460 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:55,240 The Beatles supported him in like 196263, whenever that was. 1461 01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,320 And of course, you know, his career came to an abrupt halt 1462 01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,680 once people started buying their records instead of his. 1463 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,120 So this is a great film for looking at that as a that sort 1464 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,200 of turning point into much better things. 1465 01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,400 Yeah. And this film, this would have 1466 01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,760 been filmed November, possibly December 1959, as, as you say, 1467 01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,320 which was just around the time that the Goon Show was ending. 1468 01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,480 That's true. That came to an end in January 1469 01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,040 1960, didn't it? So. 1470 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,440 So in some ways this film is a tribute to. 1471 01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:36,040 Yes, well, Sellers was was hot stuff because he'd won the BAFTA 1472 01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,800 for I'm All Right Jack, around the time that this comes out. 1473 01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:41,440 Yeah. Do you think he would have been 1474 01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:43,520 annoyed because he probably didn't get any? 1475 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:44,680 Oh, he would have been. He would. 1476 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,800 Have been furious but. There would have been no 1477 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,240 royalties for any of them for the footage that they use in 1478 01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:50,200 this I. Wouldn't have? 1479 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,840 No, no. I'm sure EJ would have had some 1480 01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,600 clause in the contract when they made down among the Z men so 1481 01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,200 that oh you reckon they didn't they didn't earn anything. 1482 01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,920 Absolutely. But yeah, I bet if Sal is even 1483 01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,760 new but he probably wouldn't have been aware of it but. 1484 01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,680 I mean, I'd love to know. It's an interesting little what 1485 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,080 if? What would Sellers have said 1486 01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:11,880 about the film? What? 1487 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,120 Because we know what he was like. 1488 01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:16,040 He would have, depending on his mood, he would have tried to 1489 01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,560 engage the greatest lawyers in the land to try and block it's 1490 01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,320 release. But or or like you say, it just 1491 01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,360 passed them by completely. Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine 1492 01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:30,120 this stuck around for very long. No, I mean, this double bill 1493 01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:31,840 that I found in the paper was a list. 1494 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:37,880 This was listed October 1960, so this is around the same time the 1495 01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,920 Psycho came out. So I can't imagine cinemas kept 1496 01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,360 this one going for long, because also it's not only music was 1497 01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,840 about to change, but cinema was about to change considerably. 1498 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:54,720 And crappy films like this, we're not going to really stick 1499 01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,720 around for much longer when quality films like Psycho 1500 01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,040 suddenly. Indeed. 1501 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,400 Changing cinema forever as well. And and colour was becoming more 1502 01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:07,000 and more prevalent as well. I was thinking that while I was 1503 01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,960 watching this. It's sometimes easy to forget, 1504 01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:13,400 isn't it, that if you'd have been in the room when they were 1505 01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:15,800 filming this, that would all have been in colour? 1506 01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,520 Like it's only the film stock that was black and white. 1507 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,880 I was sort of thinking, wonder what colour clothes those guys 1508 01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,360 were actually wearing. What colour was his cardigan? 1509 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,240 I mean, it was probably brown, let's be honest. 1510 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,280 But you know, I bet some of the other artists had quite, 1511 01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:34,280 especially Cherry Wayner that was, that was probably quite 1512 01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,880 colourful. Like it's easy to forget, isn't 1513 01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,840 it, because everything is so black and white in these these 1514 01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:43,000 old cheap films of that period. But yeah, it was all changing. 1515 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:48,000 And this is a great example of of how that was all happening in 1516 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:52,360 front of our eyes almost. Yeah, Adam, anyway, I'm so 1517 01:25:53,200 --> 01:26:00,040 indebted to you for coming to the show with this film because. 1518 01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,760 It's, I suppose it just goes to show, doesn't it, that no matter 1519 01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,920 how obscure something is you want to talk about, you'll find 1520 01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,400 somebody, yeah, who can talk about it. 1521 01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,800 Yeah, it's and it is, it's, it's not an important, well, it's, 1522 01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:16,040 it's not an important film, but it is, it does represent a 1523 01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,080 moment in time like you're saying that the old order is 1524 01:26:19,480 --> 01:26:21,760 about to change and be swept away. 1525 01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:25,920 And yeah, and obviously it's got the got the Goon connection, 1526 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,760 albeit unwittingly, yeah, without permission. 1527 01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,600 Yeah. So Adrian, thank. 1528 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,600 Thank you again for that. So what are you up to at the 1529 01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,680 moment? Because if you're doing any DVD 1530 01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,480 commentaries or. Podcasting. 1531 01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,760 I've yeah. So I've in the last two months 1532 01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,800 I've produced 2 new commentaries, right? 1533 01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,440 I don't think either of them have been announced yet. 1534 01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,000 One of them has, there's an Italian film coming out called 1535 01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:59,440 So Young, So Lovely, So Vicious. I think it's called. 1536 01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,320 I always forget the title. It's an Italian kind of 1537 01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,440 psychodrama. And there's another one which 1538 01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:10,600 hasn't been announced yet, but I like early late last year, I had 1539 01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,480 another couple come out. So I had a booklet in Troll 2, 1540 01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,480 the 4K of that, which came out in America. 1541 01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:22,480 And my podcast, Wild, Wild Podcast is still going. 1542 01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,000 Yeah, there's always something on the go. 1543 01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:27,920 I mean, the main thing for me at the moment is that I'm going 1544 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:33,360 back to China next week. So my my new job is keeping me 1545 01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,760 incredibly busy. I started a new job last 1546 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:41,080 September and I work in China now, so. 1547 01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:45,720 To do with to do with film. I'm I'm still teaching. 1548 01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,160 So I used to teach at Sussex University. 1549 01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,560 I think when we last recorded a year ago when we did the 1550 01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,840 Running, Jumping, Standing still film, I was recording from one 1551 01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:59,560 of my classrooms and, but I've since started a new job, which 1552 01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,360 is quite complicated. I won't bore you all with the 1553 01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,880 details, but basically I work for a British university, but 1554 01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:10,280 all of my teaching is on a university campus in Beijing, so 1555 01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,800 I will be spending three months in in Beijing. 1556 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,480 Very good. Yeah, so I'm glad we just 1557 01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:19,520 managed to fit this in before I have to knuckle down and start 1558 01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,000 packing. Absolutely, absolutely. 1559 01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,280 So all the all the very best with that and. 1560 01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,000 Thank you. And I'd just like to thank you 1561 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:31,680 again for on behalf of all the Goon Pod listeners because I, I 1562 01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,000 am a listener more than a contributor obviously. 1563 01:28:34,440 --> 01:28:39,720 And I just I really look forward to your podcast as I'm sure many 1564 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,120 of all of us they're listening to. 1565 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:47,240 And it's so good to have this focused somewhere to talk about 1566 01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,680 British comedy. But you've managed to to do so 1567 01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,800 well by bringing in everything that's goon connected in some 1568 01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,520 way and all the different people that you've all the real like 1569 01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,880 exciting people that you've had on here as, as well as people 1570 01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:05,520 like me and, and even my my late grandfather you talked to. 1571 01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:11,360 And so, you know, goon pod is it's a great resource and a 1572 01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,000 great piece of entertainment and it's always interesting. 1573 01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,160 So, you know, thank you for what you're doing. 1574 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,680 Oh, I'm blushing. Thank you. 1575 01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:24,200 Thanks again to Adrian. So thank you for listening. 1576 01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,280 And next week, as I said before, at the top of the show, we will 1577 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,880 be discussing an actual goon show. 1578 01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:34,520 So that will keep Tony happy. Please rate and review in the 1579 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:39,440 usual places, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and the like. 1580 01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:44,080 And any comments, any feedback is gratefully received. 1581 01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,960 If it's, you know, if it's largely positive, I'll probably 1582 01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,840 read it out on the show. In the meantime, thank you for 1583 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,200 listening. Until next time, bye. 1584 01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,280 It can't be. It's crazy, it's impossible. 1585 01:29:59,400 --> 01:29:59,720 It's.