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Welcome everybody to the 
Denver's Ocean podcast. 

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I'm here once again with Joseph 
Wagner and today we are going to

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have a little discussion about 
the state of our world and the 

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difficult times we're in and how
as a practitioner we can really 

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work with all this because it's 
really overwhelming. 

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I know we're all stressed out. 
It's, it's just seems like we've

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crossed some thresholds that we 
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And, and so it's a lot to deal 
with. 

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And I think that Joe and I have 
had some discussion around this 

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and we've come to some good ways
of really managing this and how 

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to see it. 
So Joe, welcome. 

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Let us know a little bit about 
how you've been dealing with all

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this craziness. 
Thanks for having me, and I'm so

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glad we're here together and 
welcome to everyone. 

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I haven't been dealing with it 
so well, to tell you the truth. 

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I mean, it's this is a 
complicated time and and we're 

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speaking, we're probably more on
the liberal side. 

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But whatever side you find 
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easy. 
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you must be open to things. 
And one of the things to be open

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to is how chaotic everything 
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So I think, you know, before we 
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acknow or how to deal with it, 
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that this is very complicated 
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It's not easy to know what to do
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such what looked to me to be 
really sweeping changes in our, 

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in our democracy and what it 
means to be in America and so 

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forth. 
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opinions about that. 
We'll try to stay away from 

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those and just talk about how to
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it's outside of your personal 
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You know, here we have something
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And I think that's the first 
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Not only is it hard, it is hard 
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upsetting, but unlike if it's 
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household, let's say, where you 
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we can to some degree, we can 
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our fence. 
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the the primary thing that as 
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acknowledge and, and recognize 
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situation about how we deal with
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Yeah, I think it's important. 
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time that never before in 
history have people had so much 

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access to so much information 
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I don't really know that we're 
built for all this. 

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This information, you know, our 
our body minds have have evolved

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with the intention of threat 
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small area through word of mouth
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That's probably what we're 
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So when we hear every day 
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dangerous, it keeps our body 
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agitation, fight or flight mode.
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healthy or helpful to stay in 
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And of course, there's some kind
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do here with like, how much do I
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on in the world and how much do 
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that I'm not, you know, being 
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Because really the aim of this 
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enlightenment. 
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that, then it's hindering that, 
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And then so I think that's 
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what helps and what hinders. 
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different. 
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it too. 
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to use more of this as part of 
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They can, you know, mind 
training, pure vision, whatever 

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they're capable of dealing with 
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And some people are going to be 
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attention to it a little less. 
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personal, you know, really 
figuring out what's personally 

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best for you. 
I think that's nicely said and 

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that's something that each each 
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I'm very careful about my news 
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I'm not on any social media 
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I don't have Facebook and never 
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kind of stuff, which I strongly 
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methods they have for training 
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That's a different topic and we 
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to be very careful as a 
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That can take over your life and
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people's lives here. 
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about media outlets that carry 
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And I don't watch a lot of those
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subscribe to Democracy Now and I
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week, 2 times a day. 
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like, here's the news and then 
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something, there's another thing
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about something that's going on.
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following that. 
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think they're doing amazing 
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Been part of that for years. 
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unsubscribe and I wrote him a 
note saying, I really apologize,

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but I can't take it. 
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what I realized and what pushed 
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that all the media outlets have 
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And that purpose is to get you 
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That is the only goal. 
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money. 
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of democracy now, I think 
they're, they're real Bois Afa's

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on some level, you know, they're
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more even way. 
They're left-leaning, but still.

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But the effect on the consumer 
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And that to me right now, I 
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several days to make that 
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It was based on seeing that 
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news in like 20 little articles 
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They were all terrible. 
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thought, like, what what 1 can I
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Where is my, you know, where, 
where can I have an effect? 

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I couldn't figure out even 1. 
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about Palestine. 
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stuff going on, you know, in 
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I cannot do anything about the 
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whatever the next thing is, or 
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I I can't do anything. 
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powerlessness is the exact 
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to inculcate as practitioners. 
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we the goal of a practitioner 
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Wong being under the power of 
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circumstances, whatever they 
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having autonomy. 
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can't do anything. 
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just was freaking out. 
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cushion in the morning, 
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hours. 
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It's not helping me. 
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suffering from this stuff that's
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It has no value. 
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literally freaking out all the 
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And I had to, you know, take a 
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So that was the way I'm, I'm 
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I'm not sure that's the right 
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important too, because I think 
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social media at this point. 
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I also stay off Instagram and 
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But again, same thing. 
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you on, to keep you clicking, to
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It's so engaging, it's so 
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into anger, aggression, fear, 
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And you know, and so I'd be 
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protesting, right? 
This is like, you know, a lot of

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people, the first thing you 
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Well, and all I can say is, 
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decision that you have to know 
based on is it helpful for your 

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path? 
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the question we always come down
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fundamental position is that you
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enlightened. 
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And anything that we do is 
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comes with negative consequences
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we're trying to do. 
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similar experience. 
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part of the Vietnam War 
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about this too. 
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focus on the aggression inside 
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the from the Buddhist 
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and you know, resistance in any 
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important roles. 
They've they've changed and 

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brought about positive things in
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They have, but you have to ask 
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from a position of anger or are 
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love? 
Are you able to integrate what 

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you're doing or is it really 
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position that's enhancing your 
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So, so it depends on your 
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And your your activities what's 
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For people, when they see these 
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do something. 
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people's feet. 
I feel freaked out and powerless

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and I I find myself being angry 
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that doesn't have a lot of 
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That's where I'm looking at it. 
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that is based on what you said 
about Riboche, Someone I know is

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that a talk that Riboche was 
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Unitarian church. 
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And, and, you know, it was the 
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there any questions? 
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Riboche, will you address that 
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world? 
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reiterating what you said. 
He said, first I would like to 

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address the aggression in this 
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hilarious and awesome. 
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truly what we are called to do. 
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beautifully, different people 
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Some people there, they can 
handle that and they can be 

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positive in their own lives and 
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My hat's off to them. 
Make sure you can do that. 

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If you're a practitioner, you're
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You, you're one of the only 
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work for the good of all beings 
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As long as you can keep doing 
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yesterday. 
I was in Fort Collins, Co for a 

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meeting and as I left, I turned 
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protest, probably at least 1000 
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and people with signs and people
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I actually got tears in my eyes.
I was like, wow, that's awesome.

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So I think going to something 
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At the same time, you know, 
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this is happening might not be 
valuable, you know, So we have 

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to find a balance. 
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to narrow down. 
We have to tighten the screen 

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through which this stuff is 
coming because all the media 

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outlets have the same method, 
which is to make you upset and 

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they all have the same means, 
which is to hook you with every 

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kind of thing. 
It's not only YouTube, those 

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shorts on YouTube or Instagram 
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Every kind of media outlet is 
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that's very dangerous and not 
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So we have to, as practitioner, 
we have to 1st protect ourself 

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because we have this precious 
human birth and only one goal as

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you said. 
And then based on our capacity, 

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we can do what we, whatever we 
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losing our seat, so to speak. 
Another trimperim Shay ISM. 

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Yeah. 
And to me, it really comes down 

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to something that I think is 
really important, how much faith

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we really have in the Dharma. 
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here, right? 
If you're not on the street, 

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you're not doing something. 
That's a materialist point of 

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negativity on the streets that 
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beings suffering is being 
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because we're interconnected. 
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have that kind of faith. 
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those voices that say if you're 
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physically, then it doesn't 
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Like what job you have, what you
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do something constructive, you 
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mantra of the West, right? 
You know, you're just staring at

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your navel or whatever that this
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But really it's the thing where 
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And if we truly change, attain 
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really be able to help so. 
It doesn't even have to go that 

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bar. 
Not to cut you off but don't 

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think well I can only help if I 
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Anytime you meditate and you 
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benefit to the world. 
This is Garchner Bache. 

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We've talked about this. 
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instructions from Kempo Munsell 
on tonglen, on giving and taking

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were to recognize other people's
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And my mind are the same. 
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liberated on my side, thoughts 
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degree on their side. 
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known the giving and giving and 
taking, giving happiness and you

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know taking the suffering 
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different kind of practice. 
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inner practice and very 
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They are kind of like three kind
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said himself, he's not really an
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called, you know, sense of that.
So anyway, the main point, this 

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is very simple. 
There's it's like, you know, 

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giving means you give all of 
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things, and taking means you 
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know other, you know, towards 
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So and then in order to practice
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of, you know, confidence 
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possibility to give happiness to
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take the suffering of others 
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So this is like it happens and 
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confidence in order to practice 
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Degree on their side. 
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Not only for Buddhist, you know,
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influence and the more open and 
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the more people around us 
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Plus you got to keep in mind if 
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other people are, they know you 
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aren't that many, right? 
There's only 6. 

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Something like 6% of the world 
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There's not that many. 
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rare to be a practitioner. 
So people aren't checking you 

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out, right? 
I just came from the pickleball 

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I like to play pickleball on 

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Saturday morning. 
My dad's out there. 

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I got some friends. 
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and I went to pick up the ball 
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other court and the other, there
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and they, they said, you guys 
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We were checking you out and I 
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that right. 
They were watching us. 

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All of your friends who know 
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watching you. 
So how if you're all freaking 

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out about the world, they're 
also like, well, that doesn't 

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work. 
I guess I need to find something

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else. 
I think this is an important 

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point. 
Yeah, And what you said about 

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Garcher's method, we really can 
do this with, we can just think 

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of the suffering going on in all
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liberate it instantly with one 
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And really it, I know it's 
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but we have to remember our only
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not people, right? 
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this situation are suffering, 
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And and as a Buddhist 
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that it's the three poisons 
inside them is the only enemy, 

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not the person. 
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suffering underneath their 
aggression, their greed, their 

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fear, their all those things, 
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So that's the hardest thing to 
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But the, you know, the way the 
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teachings that they're always 
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Like there's no enemy on the 
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And so we really just can keep 
working with the one on the 

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inside and bring some energy of 
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And, and I have to say, this is 
the best thing you could do, the

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most important, the most helpful
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Do to play sad, beautifully sad.
That was terrific. 

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Thank you. 
I'm taking that to heart. 

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I love that to give people 
something like that they can 

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actually do what I would 
consider doing is a news fast, 

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an entire news fast because you 
don't realize how much this is 

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affecting you until it's not. 
I noticed this because it just, 

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I just did this. 
We're talking two weeks ago. 

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We're not talking six years ago.
I just said like, OK, no. 

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And I found almost an instant I 
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And then you can reintroduce 10 
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news, one conversation with your
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whatever, one protest, whatever,
one visit to Facebook or 

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whatever and see how much am I 
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If you can keep your seat 
through that, you got your 

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compassion and intact. 
You're not like those people. 

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I want them to die. 
Whatever horrible things we tend

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to think, then hey, maybe you 
can move up another notch 

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because it's good to be engaged 
to the degree that you can 

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handle. 
I just realized that my capacity

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for that was lower than I 
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You know, if I'm just all angry 
and upset, not the way to do it.

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Yeah, and, and I don't know 
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I just be like a crackhead with 
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it's, it's so addictive. 
Just get right into it and then 

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you're waiting. 
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The the, the big guy, he feeds 
on being in the news and in your

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face and making something happen
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And so we're all like, what's 
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What's gonna happen next? 
What's gonna happen? 

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You know, like, have you not 
noticed how well everything is 

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orchestrated to keep you hooked 
to what's going on every day? 

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And you can't tell me this isn't
part of somebody else's plan, 

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right? 
And there's big part of this 

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going on this like, watch this 
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So we're falling for it, so 
we're clearer, not so focused on

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the whatever the chaos of the 
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I think you got it. 
So three things I want to say, 

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1, taking news fast, could be 3 
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be one hour, not one hour. 
It's got to be a whole day or 

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else you won't notice the 
effect. 

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One week, whatever. 
The world's not going to suffer 

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when you're not watching the 
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And then you see, at first you 
aren't, you realize how addicted

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you are. 
The second point I want to make,

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and then you can reintroduce it.
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involuntary. 
Our addiction to samsara is 

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involuntary. 
Our karmic, the Press of the 

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karmic wins at our backs that 
keep us in samsara is 

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involuntary. 
It is not a choice. 

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So you have to take strong 
action to stop that and then 

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recapitulate to see what you can
actually do. 

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It's involuntary, right? 
And those apps, no one can 

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resist it. 
You cannot resist it. 

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It's impossible. 
They have got you figured out. 

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So you have to say no mostly. 
And then the third thing, I 

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don't remember, but I love these
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Take a news fast and then 
reintroduce to the degree you 

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can handle it. 
You might be surprised how much 

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of your anxiety is about things 
that you don't even know if 

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they're real. 
We have no idea what the news 

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is, right? 
We what the real truth is, we're

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just not in a position to know. 
We got these people shouting 

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this. 
We got these people shouting 

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this we got and there are a lot 
of people behind this. 

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I know what third one was 
Terence McKenna, the psychedelic

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philosopher. 
He was famous for saying that 

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the mushrooms told him you got 
to have a plan. 

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If you don't have a plan, you 
become part of somebody else's 

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plan. 
So you must recognize as a 

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practitioner you only have one 
goal and one plan. 

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But if you're not, if that's not
in the center of your life, then

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you are being manipulated by 
your karma and the world. 

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And that is not the place for a 
practitioner. 

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You got to maintain your somaya 
and your somayas to the practice

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that once that's intact, then 
you can spread out to the degree

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that your capacity can handle. 
That's I don't think 3 things 

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are important. 
Yeah, angry, fearful, addicted 

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people are easy to manipulate, 
easy to control and easy to rob,

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right. 
And and you can't tell me that's

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not what's going on. 
So remember that also that this 

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isn't just about your path and 
practice, but also recognize 

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what's the real motivation 
between everybody being hooked 

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to their screen all the time. 
Like what? 

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Who's benefiting from that? 
Because somebody is, I guarantee

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it. 
And a lot of people are right 

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and and they don't always have 
your interest in heart or rarely

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have your interest. 
Right, so. 

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This is our our thoughts about 
this. 

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And I know these are difficult 
times and we're with you and 

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we're praying and practicing 
with all of you in mind. 

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And you know, we're thinking 
about hoping this podcast can 

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bring some benefit to the, this 
community because being Buddhist

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in this world is hard. 
Like you said, it's tiny, tiny 

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percentage. 
The stream against the stream. 

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Yeah, my wife and I were just 
talking about this. 

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Like, I have no friends. 
Where would I even meet 

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somebody? 
I wanna hang out with all my 

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friends live off like thousands 
of miles from me and have to 

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talk on WhatsApp, right? 
Like I can't even find somebody 

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really, like locally. 
They don't exist. 

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That's like that's hard, you 
know, so we have to have these 

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kind of virtual that's the 
benefit of these things. 

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We do have that like virtual 
Sanga and that's amazing. 

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That's that's definitely camera 
Z Tara in action, right, that 

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we're able to connect. 
So thank you for connecting with

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us. 
Thank you for watching our show 

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on the platform. 
We just told you to not watch. 

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I hope you enjoy it and we'll 
see you on the next feast day. 

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Thank you so much. 
Please like, share and 

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subscribe. 
We appreciate you so much. 

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Bye bye.