So the first thing you do is you offer them water to drink,
right? So this is the first bowl on the
far left of the altar. You flip the bowl over and you
fill it with clean, nice drinking water.
This is #1 because coming out from inside from outside in
India, that's the first thing a guest would want.
We would traditionally light incense to make the room smell
pleasing, to cover up any bad smells coming in from outside,
for everybody to feel happy. And you know, it brightens the
energy and all of that. So usually you have a bowl with
rice in it and a couple incense sticks.
You're. Taking a step away from ordinary
life toward what is possible for you as a human, which is the
birth of true compassion, true altruism, and love for both
ourselves and others. Welcome back everybody to the
Denver's Ocean podcast. I'm here once again with Joseph
Wagner. And today, as promised, we're
going to talk about shrine and how to set up your shrine and
why a shrine's important and all of this.
We mentioned this somewhat in the previous episode and thought
it deserved its whole a whole episode because it's such a
central part of a Bajriana practitioner's life.
So welcome, Joe, and maybe you can introduce us to the topic of
having a shrine and what all that means.
I'm not an expert. I do have a shrine and I've had
one for a long time. Sometimes people call it an
altar. I don't know if it's really an
altar, I'm not exactly sure, but it's definitely a shrine Is it
is a crucial, it's a crucial thing to have and it's also kind
of a step on the path as far as I'm concerned.
If you think about how someone gets involved in the path of
trying to attain enlightenment, first, usually they modern day
people, they watch podcasts, they watch YouTube videos.
Then they, if they're a little bit old school, they start to
read books, right? They start to collect books and
they're reading things. Maybe they join a meditation
group and at some point a shift occurs, and that shift has to do
with their own personal meditation practice.
So they end up buying a cushion. They end up buying a Zafu, one
of those round cushions or a Gomdin or some other kind of
thing, a little bench or whatever to sit on.
If they're even more hardcore, they'd buy also a Zabuton, which
is like a the big square kind of cushion.
So you sit on that with the cushion on top of that.
You put that someplace in your house that for a lot of people,
that's a real statement about what they're doing with their
time with their life now. They're not just reading about
about spirituality or the path. Almost all Asian religions, the
things we're interested in have at their center the practice of
meditation. In order to meditate, you have
to have a place to do it. And this is the very foundation
of going from someone who's an interested party.
Maybe you're even attending teachings, thinking about these
things, reading books, watching videos to I'm going to do this
in my life. You buy a cushion that's like
this first step. After you do that for a while,
you're meditating. It's, I think it's natural that
you, you have certain objects, pictures that inspire you, that
make you feel like this makes me want to meditate where it's a
picture of a teacher who you relate to or a statue of the
Buddha or whatever, a Tonka, one of these kind of Tibetan style
paintings, whatever. You end up putting that up.
If it's a physical object, you need a place to put it.
What's the place? A table.
And that table becomes your shrine.
And that's the very foundation. That's another step.
Now you're creating a sacred space, you're creating an
environment and and in that environment you're going to
you're going to have a numerous things we're going to talk about
like what what those are, But the main thing is you're going
to have stuff that inspires you and it's going to be in one
place, not moving around, right? Whether you were live in a
studio apartment or a giant mansion, it's going to be in one
place and probably in front of that right next to that or
something is going to be your cushion for meditation.
So you're going to be going in there, you're going to be making
offerings to this statue or this, this picture or whatever,
not because they're, it's necessarily you believe that
that statue is this deity or something.
We're not idolaters, but we are offering to our own higher
selves, so to speak, to that which we're trying, to which
we're aspiring to actualize. And that's what a shrine sort of
represents for the average person.
This is the basic idea, and it's kind of steps toward that.
Yeah. And so when you talk about, you
know, what goes on the altar, I would say that the the first
thing there's, there's kind of like 3 non negotiables.
Traditionally that one you would have a body image of your llama
or the Buddha. So a Buddha statue or Grimshay
statue or a photo of your llama, that would be for the body.
You have a text, so usually like the Heart Sutra or some of the
teachings of the Buddha or Tantra, something traditional to
your lineage based on what you're practicing and you have a
connection to maybe like the Heart Sutra or the diamonds for
sure. And then a stupa or a crystal
ball. And this is symbolizing the mind
of the Buddha, right? So you're having the the body
speech in mind of the Buddha. Now, of course you could have
just the guru and that could be all of those things.
But traditionally you have all, you have 3 representatives in
the center. You're going to have the Buddha
or the Gurimpache or your llama. Then, you know, you're going to
have a Dharma text and then you're going to have a stupa of
some kind or a crystal crystal ball, you know, in the Zoke Chin
tradition to represent the mind of the Buddha.
And this these are kind of like the the essential objects to
which you make offerings traditionally.
Very well said. Yeah, these usually from I was
kind of talking about it how people get involved.
But once you once you have a physical space, what you're
doing is you're sacralizing that area of your house.
Of course, ideal is you have a little house or you have a room
that's solely for this many people or most of us probably
don't really have that that opportunity.
So we just have a little corner, we have a little space and maybe
we have a little picture above and we have a little table.
And on the table we have these three representatives.
The body is a physical representation and it doesn't
have to necessarily be the Buddha, but that's what's most
traditional could be Urimache, it could be a yidam.
Whatever the case is, the most important thing is it speaks to
you. It says here is a physical
representation of enlightenment. And so for most of us that's the
Buddha, but it can be anybody. Buddha Shakimuni, I mean Guru
Biche is in the centre of many Enigma Paz shrines and so forth.
Then as you said, got the speech representation, the Dharma,
right? The Dharma is represented by
texts and that text could be in Chinese, it could be in Tibetan
and it could be in English. It doesn't really matter.
It could be a great big thing. It could be a pecha format.
The the most important part of it is it speaks to you right.
When I first got involved in in Buddhism, I was a Zen
practitioner and for me a Buddhist Bible, Keith Goddard or
Dwight Goddard maybe was like an important book and that might be
for someone. The book that you put on the
shrine. This is the teachings through
the Buddha. He comes in the form of a body,
what he says is the form of the teachings, the Dharma.
And so we have this text and then the mind is especially in
our tradition. Example is like a crystal,
something like that. Or the traditional way is a
stupa, a small stupa. I bought a tiny little stupa,
which I'll show you right now. When I was in India recently, I
was in, in Bodhgaya. We were looking around some
little things. I found this tiny little cute
little stupa, and it's a, it was just a very cute little thing.
And it's got a little hole in the bottom in which you could
put a sacred substances or Mendrup or Dutzi or a relic of
some sort or whatever that represents the mind of the
Buddha. And when you have that, really
you have everything. That's really everything.
If you have those three things, you got everything.
Of course, in Zokshin they say, Oh no, you have to have the
Sanjay Sachik Tantra. As the Buddhist, you have to
have a statue of Vantra Sattva. What is not that important got
to have everybody's got to have a Vibran come on these three
things and they can in a pinch or in the beginning for those of
you who are just thinking like, well, do I want to do this?
They can be represented just by one of those three.
Certainly find just a stupa or just a crystal.
If you're really like kind of like a nature person, that'd be
OK too. Or you could have just the
statue of the Buddha. Totally fine.
The most important thing is you keep that area clean.
You keep that area dust free to some degree.
You put, you don't just put the statue just on the table.
You have a little cloth or a little stand or something.
You're, you're, you are creating an environment in which what you
are shooting for, which is enlightenment for the good of
all beings, is represented outwardly in a way that you can
relate to it. And in that way, it becomes a
kind of, I'll talk about this more perhaps later, but a kind
of machine, a real shrine is a mandala.
A mandala is a palace of the deity, and you are the deity in
the palace. When you set this up in your
house, your house becomes a mandala itself.
And this is very important because we live in such a
secular environment. We need to sacralize our
environment. Otherwise we're just, we're kind
of like, we're not really doing it and that and the Tibetans
have got this down. So their houses are like
Damien's, Damien's room. They're filled with tonkas and
filled with statues and filled with little offering bowls and,
and little, little small shrines with little flowers and, and a
statue of Tara or whatever all. Why do we do it?
Not because Tara lives in that statue.
Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't.
That's a different topic. But because when we see that we
it's a mirror, it's a mirror to our own higher possibilities.
And we think Tara is compassionate.
I'm going to be compassionate when I make offerings.
I'm not idolatizing this, idolatrizing this, whatever
this, this physical object, It's that that that is a mirror of
this part of myself that represents love, that represents
compassion, that represents staying stick to itiveness in
the case of the Buddha or whatever renunciation of my many
confused desires. And that's what the shrine
operates on and one level. And that's why it's so important
for every practitioner to have one.
Yeah. So I want to get a little bit
into the actual mechanics of how to set this up just so people
have some something to refer to. And so you know what, what the
traditional offerings are about is that this all comes from
India. And in India, there is a very
specific custom around when you have a guest come to your house.
And this process is what you're reenacting on your altar every
day. And I think this is important to
know. So the first thing you do when
somebody comes in from, you know, we're just in India.
So you know all about this. You come in covered in dirt and
you're dehydrated and you probably feel like crap.
So the first thing you do is you offer them water to drink,
right? So this is the first bowl on the
far left of the altar. You flip the bowl over and you
fill it with clean, nice drinking water.
This is #1 because coming out from inside, from outside in
India, that's the first thing a guest would want #2A bowl of
water for washing. Because you are dirty.
Like Joe said, he likes to wash his socks after being in India,
which I can fully comprehend. Because it is dusty and dirty
and you need to wash. So you wash your hands and you
wash your feet and you wash your face.
So the second bowl is water for washing.
So you fill it up with nice clean water for washing yourself
because no one wants feels comfortable when their hands are
dusty and their feet are dusty. Everybody's wearing sandals back
in the day, so their feet are super dirty.
So they would clean all that up. The next thing is flowers.
So usually you have either a flower torma, which you can buy
on like Patala gate or something like this, or you can just get
like a from a craft store, like a plastic flower, or you can buy
fresh flowers and change it out continuously.
But the next one is you offer flowers.
This would be, you know, sometimes they would offer a lay
kind of traditional flower Garland around the the person's
neck. And this was a way of receiving
a noble guest or, you know, in our Western culture, it'd be
like offering a bouquet. But so we have this symbol of
flowers. This is what we offer to a noble
guest who comes to our house. Next is incense.
You would traditionally light incense to make the room smell
pleasing, to cover up any bad smells coming in from outside,
for everybody to feel happy. And you know, it brightens the
energy and all of that. So usually you have a bowl with
rice in it and a couple incense sticks stuck in it.
This is the incense offering. It's symbolic.
You also could light incense and then put that in a burner, but
that would be not on the altar. Traditionally it would be on the
floor or a lower position, a separate place because of
burning dust and ashes you don't really want on your altar.
So they're just three clean incense sticks in rice for that
offering is sufficient. Next is light.
Light is very important, symbolically representing
knowledge and wisdom, but also just the ability to see as
you're having a guest over for dinner, this sort of thing.
So you know, before Electric World, you can have either a
candle or a LED candle like Joe likes to use.
And so that that goes in a little bowl.
Also usually use rice for most of these.
If you want to like bring it up a level so you can see it.
You know, if it's like too far down in the bowl, then you can
put some white rice in there and set it on top, either a tea
light or an electric tea light. So you're bringing light to the
dinner. Then the next one is water with
saffron tea in it. Basically, you usually if you
have a boomba, but you don't have to have that, but most
practitioners will at some point.
And in that is saffron water. This is very easy to make, just
like tea. You take a few strands of
saffron, you put it in hot water, you filter it out, you
have saffron water. And you can keep that in the
boomba to the side of your shrine or on the shrine and you
can put a little bit in some water there.
And this is your anointing the guest with some kind of perfume,
right? So that that's what this is
symbolic of. However you want to do that,
don't get hung up on the details.
Saffron water, that's the main point.
And then the next one is food. You're offering them dinner.
And usually traditionally in Tibet, this would be a torma.
They would use a real torma where you get a metal torma or a
fired porcelain torma. There's many options here.
You can also do like a symbol for food, which could be like,
you know, a kind of piece of candy or something like that.
But you can buy, you know, a nice little torma that goes on
the rice or you, you know, an apple or a piece of fruit or
something. You change out regularly if you
don't want to use the symbol. This is dinner.
And for the final of the seven offerings, we offer music, and
this is symbolized usually by a conch shell.
And just like the previous ones, you can put it in the bowl with
a little bit of rice and then set a little small conch shell
on there. I've also seen people do like an
ornament of like a violin or, you know, you can kind of be
creative, whatever symbolizes music to you.
I guess you could put ACD on there or something, if anybody
even knows what those are anymore.
But this? Last one, so you've offered.
Them food and now traditionally you know you would have like the
sitar and the Indian traditional classical music offered to a
noble guest. So this is the final aspect of
the seven offerings. Just wanted to go over that so
you can get some idea of what it is you're doing.
And basically some of them kind of stay the same and some you'd
take down and put up every day traditionally.
So the water and the, the candle and the incense and the food,
depending on whether it's a torma or real food, you would
like change these out, right? So you, you dump the water out.
So when you set up your altar, you go from left to right, just
like you're reading. And at night when you take it
down, you go from right to left. And so you're closing you those
water bowls, you put them in a pitcher and you pour it and dump
it outside. And then in the morning you put
fresh water and you dry the bowls and you can keep them like
upside down the water once overnight.
Then in the morning you open them starting left to right and
refill them like this. And, and as you go down the
line, you can do the things appropriate.
So if you're offering incense, then you can offer the incense
when you get to the candle, you light the candle or turn it on,
you get to the scented water, you fill the water, put the the
scented water in. And if you have a real food
offering, you can make a fresh food offering.
Or if it's the Torma, then you just kind of visualize and all
of this you can visualize and multiply.
And that's really important in the Vandriana.
You can imagine infinite candles, infinite incense,
infinite food, infinite buffet, this sort of thing as you go
through and make your offerings. And you can kind of use the
traditional Ramyam kaam Omahum. You have ramyam kaam purifies
and oma, whom multiplies and increases.
So you're just making this offering this as much details I
could probably get into here, but I wanted you to have a
general sense of what it is we're doing and how to do it.
There are more videos on YouTube that'll actually like walk you
through all of that, but this is the the general idea.
Yeah, beautiful. That's great.
Yeah. For those of you who are just
getting started with this, making offerings, what why are
you doing that? Again, you're making offerings
to your own path to the Buddhism bodhisattvas as representatives
of what is possible for us. So don't think that you're, I
mean, as Westerners and especially as Christian, you
know, many of us have a Christian background.
Even if you're never a Christian or Jewish, there's this, there's
a sort of feeling that idolatry is bad, you know, there's, So
you want to be a little careful with this in your own
psychology. What are you really doing?
You're making offerings to your own path by recognizing, hey,
the Buddha. What does Buddha represent?
Absolute accomplishment, the highest level of humans.
In fact, I take this as an opportunity.
When I was in Bodhgaya just a few weeks ago, they had these
posters advertising the anniversary of the Buddha's
enlightenment, you know, depending on which tradition.
I can't remember what the exact date was.
And it said come and celebrate the highest accomplishment of
humankind or of all time or some kind of thing like that.
That I was really like, wow, they really see there's a Hindu
country, but man, do they recognize that the Buddha pulled
something major off, you know, our own little shrines and our
own little lives of practice. We're we're acknowledging the
same thing. The Buddha woke up.
I want to wake up too. I'm asleep.
I know that. So I make offerings to this
awoken part of myself. If that speaks to you more than
making offerings to some celestial form of some deity or
something. Just important to keep that in
mind. I really like the way that you
put you. You described all the offerings
and stuff. This is this is exactly right.
Usually they're done in little offering bowls and you can buy
those offering bowls. We always push Patala gate.
I like those guys a lot. They're really sweet and but
there are many places online you can get them from Etsy.
You can probably get them from Amazon for goodness sake.
There's usually 7 bowls. The simplest way is to make only
offerings of water. This is this is done everywhere
in Tibet and Nepal, in India. And although when you do a
Sadhna practice like a cycle where you're really setting up
your shrine as a kind of mandola machine to capture and enhance
the blessings, then you usually do use this sort of incense in
the special way and all the different things.
It's okay as just getting started or your whole life to
just offer water. Water symbolizing water for
washing, water for drinking, flowers, incense, lamps,
perfume, food, music, the traditional offerings.
Just as Damien very nicely described.
Yeah, I was going to say something about not wearing your
shoes in India. It's so weird.
I was. There's a grocery store in, we
were in Tiruvannamalai where Ramana Maharishi was, and
there's the Ramana grocery store.
So we went in there as one of the first thing.
Get some water, get some other stuff.
You can't wear your shoes in the grocery store and people would
wear sandals everywhere. So their feet are disgusting.
And here they are walking around in the store with bare feet.
It's it's the opposite of what you would expect.
You'd just think they'd be forcing you to wear your shoes.
No, you're wandering around in this muddy grocery store with
all the other hookworm infested Indian pilgrims.
It's hilarious. And anyway, that's why we offer
water for washing because it's dusty in the world.
And if you going around with bare feet, your feet are dirty.
This kind of idea. So and you just as Damien said,
you just have a little pitcher. You fill it up with pure water
in the morning. You turn the bowls over water
for washing water for drinking flowers.
And like that. That's the simplest way.
At night, you empty them out and one Damon said you pour that
outside. And that's exactly right.
Don't pour it down the sink. Don't pour it in the toilet.
You want to offer to plants or throw it in your yard.
Poured it in a clean place. That's what they usually say
It's you know, because it's been an offering.
It's a little bit consecrated or so you want to offer that in a
clean place. You don't want to just pour it
in the toilet. This creates like a negative
karmic relationship with those offerings, just to be sure about
that. But the main thing to do is what
you're doing is you are taking a step away by having a shrine in
the 1st place, by having a meditation cushion in the 1st
place. You're taking a step away from
ordinary life toward what is possible for you as a human,
which is the birth of true compassion, true altruism and
love for both ourselves and others.
A true responsibility for this life and what we can do with it.
That's, and then when you make those offerings, you're making
that offering first thing in the morning to this aspect of
yourself and to of this aspect of all beings.
It helps to equalize everyone and you know, this is what this
is really about. If we understand the psychology,
we're more likely to do it. If someone says you need 7
bowls, fill them up with water. Then you just, maybe you do it,
but he doesn't have any. You're kind of like, what the
hell? You feel like a foreigner in
your own religion. That's not good When you
recognize like, I want to be clean.
May all beings be clean. I want to have water to drink.
May all beings have this. You know this guy.
I want the environment to smell good.
I want to have flowers on the table.
I want to have food, whatever then that that you're, you're
building up your compassion and you're making offerings to that
part of you, which is the the part that you're honoring and
training in, in the whole, on the whole path.
So just to put it in a in a perspective that the average
listener can can understand what it means.
And, and for those of you practicing Guri yoga, for me,
like for a long time I was doing these 7 offerings and I didn't
really understand what we were doing.
Like I got the general idea that incense and water are nice
things, but I didn't really understand this like receiving
of a guest, an honored guest, like a royal guest.
Once I started doing that and I united it with my Guri yoga
practice. So I actually just visualized my
llama on the throne, my shrine. And then I as I do, and I'm
imagining serving him like a, a, a noble guest, like a king.
This strikes my heart much stronger than this kind of
pulled fully symbolic thing, right.
So if you're into that, if you're practicing Guri yoga,
this is an amazing way to develop devotion.
You could visualize Gurimphe or Shakyamuni like right in front
of you and actually imagine offering them flowers and
incense and you know, like bless getting the blessings of their
body by making offerings to it. I think this can really give a
connection on a deeper, more heartfelt level than just this
kind of like abstract Tibetan thing that we don't really
understand. Very good.
Yeah, Doing it. We have to make these things our
own. This is so important.
As we said in the last episode, we're in a transition period.
The Dharma has been in Tibet for 1000 years and it's still in
Tibet. Things are pretty good there.
It's OK, but now it's transitioning.
It's transitioning to the West with like the European West, to
the South American West, to the American West, and also to
China. It's coming back to China.
So they're rediscovering their roots of this.
And what does it mean to be a Buddhist practitioner?
We have to discover that ourselves.
So you're making these offerings, but maybe when you're
offering water for washing, you're offering a whole swimming
pool because you love swimming so much.
That's OK, you know, whatever speaks to you.
And then maybe they're they offer traditional incense.
Maybe you don't like incense, so you're offering something else
that smells amazing. Essential oils or something?
Essential oils are Sato Paulo, one of that stuff from South
America that speaks to you. This you got to make this your
own, as Damien was saying. And when you make the offerings,
you're making them to that which is highest to you.
Could be your guru, could be the Dalai Lama, could be Shakyamuni,
whatever. You're making these offerings to
them and you're and you're making a connection and they're
they're happy because if you give someone flowers, they give
a smile on their face. You know, even if they don't
like flowers, they're like, wow, that's cool.
Thanks for going into the trouble.
Same thing here. And you feel that warmth even
though it's a visualization. That's the power of pure
perception, like we talked about in our last episode.
Yeah. Well, in tying this again to our
last episode, you know, maybe you never, maybe you met your
llama only once or you see them only once a year, this sort of
thing, or once every five years. If you really do this offerings
every day and imagine you're seeing them in person and you're
doing this, then you're making sure that relationship is there
every single day. This is how you see your llama
every day. We need to do this, otherwise we
just lose it. We lose the thread because the
world, like you said, is so secular and having a
relationship to somebody. The way the Tibetans really
understood gift giving was how you bond to somebody, right?
Like when we do the kata thing, you offer them the kata and then
they give it back to you, right? So now you've given them a gift
and they've given you a gift. Now you're really karmically
connected. They understood that that's kind
of like how karma works. So making offerings is a
supreme, easy, powerful method for building your relationship.
And if you're practicing guri yoga, this is it.
But even if you're not practicing Guri yoga, just your
connection, like Joe's been saying all along to your highest
self, to the path, to the founder of your teachings, the
of the teachings you're practicing that all of these
things, gift giving is how you connect to it and stay connected
to it. You have to have a relationship.
And so, you know, you do these offerings and then you do your
prostrations to the altar and this like turns it on, right?
Like this is like we've talked about it being like a blessing
generating machine, right? This mandala that that, it's
like, that's how the juice gets going.
And then your prostrations are like pulling the RIP cord,
right? Like on a lawn mower and you're
getting the engine started and it goes and it powers you
through the whole day. Even as you go to work and all
of this, you're still connected to it because you turned this
on. I think this is so potent.
Very good. Yeah, I'm going to.
I mean, we're going to conclude, but I want to encourage
everybody to set up something, a shrine in your house and what is
it? It needs to speak to you, right?
Whether it's traditional stuff or not.
If this traditional stuff speaks to you, that's great.
If it doesn't, just a statue, just a crystal, just a beautiful
stone that you found that represents nature in its most
pure form, whatever. Having something where you, it's
not that you're focusing on it, but you're honoring that aspect
with this and then those that creates a relationship with
whatever it is you're honoring and that builds it up in you.
And that's what the real guru yoga really is.
You know, it's, it's making a relationship.
Yeah and, and it's, and this process takes years like this,
this Vajrayana process, you know, you at 1st it's like
forced and it feels weird and feels foreign and feel you're
going to feel all those things and like I don't know what I'm
doing and I guarantee you're going to do things wrong.
If you want to follow the traditional model, you'll be
like 3 years down the road. Like oh, I've been doing this
wrong the whole time and I still find things all the time that
I've been doing wrong for 20 years.
That's OK 'cause it's the intention that matters.
So don't get hung up on like, am I doing this perfectly?
Just know that your, your intention to connect to your
path and to make offerings to your highest self is happening
every day. That's the main thing.
Like Joe said, you can do this in so many different ways if the
tradition has potency behind it, right?
This morphinogenic field behind all these people having done
this for so long. So there is power in following
the traditional model, but don't get like, I can't do it.
It's too complicated, you know, like don't, don't get caught up
that way. Just go, just try, do your best
and make corrections over time. It'll be fine and it'll it'll
change. Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's great. Yeah.
It's an opportunity, The Dharma, whether whatever the Dharma, the
Dharma here means the law, the practice is the opposite of
ordinary life. It is against the grain.
So of course, do we make offerings in our regular life?
In a sense, yes. But this is a formal way of
doing it. And it's, it's acknowledging
every morning and every evening what's most important.
That's what this is really about, right?
And giving it a, a foundation in your life.
It has real estate, it's got space, it's got, it's holding
space. That means it's important.
And the more important it is, the more space it will hold.
I've seen Damien Tran, it's got a great big, I've got a whole
little house in my yard that's only for this stuff.
So. So does that happen?
Yes. But what's the what's the intent
behind it or the goal behind it to make space for this new you
in this old life? And that's what we really are
trying to do. It isn't about worshipping some
weird deities. It's not about that at all.
Yeah, it's this. What's the center of your life
like? I know so many people that have
like a video game center, you know, that's like they've got
speakers and ATV and you walk in their house and you're like,
dude, this guy's a gamer. Like, you know that that's the
altar at which they worship, right?
And this is what we're doing. You know, like how many people,
you know, that football, they wear the jerseys and that, you
know, their television is as big as their wall and all of this
stuff. Like our physical space tells us
ourselves and the world what is most important to us and so.
Beautiful. This is a powerful method for
transforming that. Let's lead on that.
That's awesome. Yes, thank you, Joe.
As always, thank you, Ricky, our producer.
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