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Hi everybody. 
This is Ricky from the Denver's 

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Ocean Sanga, and I'm excited to 
share this special episode of 

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the Denver's Ocean podcast with 
you. 

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On January 20th, 2026, the 
Denver's Ocean Sanga celebrated 

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its 25th anniversary with a 
special guest, master translator

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Eric Drew. 
We plan to have Eric on the 

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podcast for a full episode in 
the near future. 

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And then that point we will talk
more about his background. 

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This episode contains a few 
excerpts from when he recently 

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shared his wisdom with our 
Sanga. 

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Thank you to Eric for joining 
us. 

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Thank you all for listening and 
may all beings be free from 

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suffering we. 
Have a special guest tonight and

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I'm so happy that Eric has been 
willing to meet with us. 

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Eric Drew is my friend for since
at least 1996. 

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I think I met him in 1996 and 
we've remained at close friends 

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ever since and I one of the 
greatest blessings in my life is

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to be friends with him. 
I feel Eric's awesome and I want

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to embarrass him by singing his 
praises too loudly, but he is in

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retreat. 
I think this is the fifth year 

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he's in retreat in Hawaii. 
Almost full time retreat and 

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only taking breaks to make food 
and do things that he has to do.

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And and he's taken time to meet 
with us on our special day. 

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And I, I say thank you so much, 
Eric for that. 

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Really grateful. 
Are you with us, Eric? 

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Yeah, I'm with you. 
Yeah, that's awesome. 

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Yeah. 
Congratulations everyone. 

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Tashi Dalek. 
Tashi Dalek Well, Eric, we just 

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wanted to, you know, have you 
here to bless our group and 

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share with us some of your 
excellent wisdom. 

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I know people have prepared some
questions, but if you'd like to 

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say anything to start, you're 
certainly welcome. 

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No. 
Just so there. 

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It's just so wonderful, you know
that. 

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Everybody continue. 
It was like Dharma. 

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It's just fantastic, you know, 
despite what's happening out 

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there in the world, you know, we
all say, Oh yeah, it's Kali 

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Yuga, you know, but actually you
can have your own private Kali 

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Yuga free zone, you know, just 
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you know, we take a put Asatva 
vow and it's so grand, all 

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sentient beings. 
That's actually kind of 

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overwhelming. 
You know, actually what's within

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the kind of domain of our 
control is we can have the Kali 

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Yuga free zone in our proximity.
You know, it's like that area 

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that I can survey around me that
I'm aware of. 

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I'll make sure to my utmost that
it's a Kali Yuga free zone. 

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Yeah, that'll be very 
meditative. 

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There won't be transgressions 
happening. 

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Nobody will be hungry. 
They'll be entertained. 

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You know, they'll be warm. 
Yeah, just within my proximity. 

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Kali Yuga free zone. 
You know, people can feel 

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confident if they get around me.
Oh, yeah, it's a Kali Yuga free 

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zone. 
Shoot, what a break. 

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You know, it was rough out there
in the Kali Yuga. 

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It was heartless. 
I think that's excellent. 

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Yeah, in. 
Fact if. 

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You do a really good job. 
You can create a golden age even

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not only Kali Yuga free zone. 
You can have a golden age, you 

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know, but it feels like a golden
age for the same room as you 

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know. 
It's like it's no longer Kali 

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Yuga anymore. 
There's not even a. 

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If of Kali Yuga anymore them has
just been up with that majesty, 

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that sacredness. 
It's just saturated. 

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Oh yeah, it's golden age, you 
see, so you figure it out. 

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You actually if if you're the 
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know, if you're, it's all the 
situations and in points you 

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should have a call you the free 
around your body. 

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You know, it's like not too 
ambitious. 

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Something like 108 meters would 
be good or 108 feet something. 

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Yeah, all tension. 
Be tall in order. 

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It's a it's a lot, Yeah. 
What what, What's the best 

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method to create that Kali Yuga 
free zone? 

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How do you actually do it? 
How can people do that in a way 

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that really. 
Everyone knows how to do that. 

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Body speech in mind is doing 
your Dharma stuff. 

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It's it's just doing your good 
old Dharma, that's all. 

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I love. 
That. 

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Colluding with body, not 
colluding with speech, not 

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colluding with mind. 
You see, it's Kali Yuga free. 

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Kali Yuga is all about pollution
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I'm very present, disciplined, 
loving, open and aware, 

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vigilant, dynamic, enthusiastic,
you know, like that kind of 

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thing. 
Like like. 

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Ozermirbiche is. 
Yeah, then you go from Kali Yuga

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free zone, that's maintaining 
discipline and then you 

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transition gradually when you 
get more and more presence 

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power, then you get into golden.
Age Ozermirbiche. 

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Level. 
I love that. 

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I. 
Am the golden. 

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Age that. 
Kind of thing. 

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I know. 
What you mean that is wonderful?

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You put him in jail. 
It doesn't matter. 

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He's. 
He brings the golden. 

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Age with him, you know, right 
there in that cell, it's the 

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golden age. 
I love that this is it. 

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This seems manageable. 
It feels possible. 

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Uh huh. 
See. 

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That's what the that's what. 
The. 

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Authority is expecting everybody
there to do, you know, is yeah. 

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Through the, through the power 
of the meditation, you know, 

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erecting the banner of victory 
through the, through the 

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meditation, you see, in 
different spots, Yeah. 

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That's how you do it, you see. 
So it's like erecting the banner

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of victory through meditation, 
through samadhi, you know? 

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Yes. 
Not let ego kick me around in 

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this zone. 
This is Kali Yuga free zone, you

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know, and we're erecting the 
banner of victory. 

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We're not letting ego kick us 
around here. 

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See, meditation destroys the 
ego, you know. 

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Yes, totally. 
Different quest, but I, I 

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totally recommend, you know, 
once you have the top terms, so 

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10 terms would be really 
helpful, be very helpful because

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they kind of like bring you into
a meditative state anyway, 

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There's something you know, it's
back to the frequency thing, the

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letters, right? 
The, the, the euphonic aspect, 

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you know, the euphonic chorales,
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The, the, the, this musical, 
the, the profundity of the 

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sound, the the, what the sound 
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Like to know words like zontal. 
That's a great one to know just 

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because knowing the word alone 
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It's very mantric, something 
that special about just knowing 

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that word Zontal. 
If I say it now even, you know, 

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Zoom Tao, you know, so powerful.
Actually the language words in 

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the mind are very, you know, 
very powerful Words are very 

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powerful way to bring meaning 
deep into the mind, right? 

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Sound is a way to get to the 
core of the mind. 

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You know nothing gets to the 
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As. 
You know, sound can really move 

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us, right? 
So knowing words like that, even

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like a word like kadak, some of 
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So 10 words, very good. 
It's good to know these words. 

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Yep. 
You know, kadak riqba, that's 

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very powerful just to say that 
word, that expression, kadak 

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riqba, you know? 
Yeah. 

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Intrinsic awareness, primordial 
purity actually sounds way 

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better in Tibetan, you know, And
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of it too when you get to know 
the word more after you get past

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the explanation and you start 
using it. 

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Oh yeah. 
I guess it it's works way better

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than your conventional language.
Like when I said primordial 

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purity, intrinsic awareness, it 
didn't have any of the firepower

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that it had for me. 
When I said Kabag Rigba, you see

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way more powerful Rangjung Rigba
rang Jung rang self Jung each 

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year or self originated Rang 
Jung Rikba very powerful. 

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Yes. 
I highly recommend knowing like 

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108 Zhou Chen terms like the big
ones. 

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Yep, Definitely. 
Yep. 

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Yeah. 
Because they themselves each 

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each one of those, those are 
pointing out instructions, 

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actually those those terms, you 
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Kadhak texture, right? 
Kadhak texture cutting through 

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to primordial purity, just to 
unpack that term there carries a

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lot. 
There's a lot in that, you know,

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what does zhong Tau mean? 
What does zhong Tau mean? 

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Zhong Zhong Zhong is 
transparent, right? 

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And and taal means to penetrate,
OK, to penetrate. 

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Describing awareness as not 
having a form, OK, like an 

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aspect. 
This is not the complete aspect 

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of awareness, but an aspect of 
awareness has no form, and yet 

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it's penetrating everywhere, 
everything. 

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There's nowhere that you go 
where it's not. 

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You see that awareness, the the 
excitation of the field. 

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The excitation is everywhere, 
you see? 

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Yeah. 
There's nothing in space which 

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is not not excitation. 
Yeah. 

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Excellent. 
A very, very good point to 

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address actually is what is in 
fact bodhichitta. 

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What's what's actually happening
when it's actually operating 

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optimally OK, like we have a 
progression going on? 

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Here. 
You know from from bodhichitta 

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as like an attitude, something 
you should develop OK to 

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building it up, working with it 
to the point where it's actually

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taking over and operating and 
then the system is functioning 

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through completely on 
bodhichitta. 

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You see? 
Optimum, optimum functioning, 

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right? 
So what you've got is in the 

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case of Ozimer Miche, why that 
that's remarkable. 

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Is is. 
That the fire of Bodhichitta you

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see is totally lit up. 
It's not just an attitude or an 

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inspiration you see, but it's an
existential functioning you see.

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It's the difference. 
There, it's a very it's a big. 

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Difference there.