Hi everybody. This is Ricky from the Denver's
Ocean Sanga, and I'm excited to share this special episode of
the Denver's Ocean podcast with you.
On January 20th, 2026, the Denver's Ocean Sanga celebrated
its 25th anniversary with a special guest, master translator
Eric Drew. We plan to have Eric on the
podcast for a full episode in the near future.
And then that point we will talk more about his background.
This episode contains a few excerpts from when he recently
shared his wisdom with our Sanga.
Thank you to Eric for joining us.
Thank you all for listening and may all beings be free from
suffering we. Have a special guest tonight and
I'm so happy that Eric has been willing to meet with us.
Eric Drew is my friend for since at least 1996.
I think I met him in 1996 and we've remained at close friends
ever since and I one of the greatest blessings in my life is
to be friends with him. I feel Eric's awesome and I want
to embarrass him by singing his praises too loudly, but he is in
retreat. I think this is the fifth year
he's in retreat in Hawaii. Almost full time retreat and
only taking breaks to make food and do things that he has to do.
And and he's taken time to meet with us on our special day.
And I, I say thank you so much, Eric for that.
Really grateful. Are you with us, Eric?
Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah. Congratulations everyone.
Tashi Dalek. Tashi Dalek Well, Eric, we just
wanted to, you know, have you here to bless our group and
share with us some of your excellent wisdom.
I know people have prepared some questions, but if you'd like to
say anything to start, you're certainly welcome.
No. Just so there.
It's just so wonderful, you know that.
Everybody continue. It was like Dharma.
It's just fantastic, you know, despite what's happening out
there in the world, you know, we all say, Oh yeah, it's Kali
Yuga, you know, but actually you can have your own private Kali
Yuga free zone, you know, just the proximity around your body,
you know, we take a put Asatva vow and it's so grand, all
sentient beings. That's actually kind of
overwhelming. You know, actually what's within
the kind of domain of our control is we can have the Kali
Yuga free zone in our proximity. You know, it's like that area
that I can survey around me that I'm aware of.
I'll make sure to my utmost that it's a Kali Yuga free zone.
Yeah, that'll be very meditative.
There won't be transgressions happening.
Nobody will be hungry. They'll be entertained.
You know, they'll be warm. Yeah, just within my proximity.
Kali Yuga free zone. You know, people can feel
confident if they get around me. Oh, yeah, it's a Kali Yuga free
zone. Shoot, what a break.
You know, it was rough out there in the Kali Yuga.
It was heartless. I think that's excellent.
Yeah, in. Fact if.
You do a really good job. You can create a golden age even
not only Kali Yuga free zone. You can have a golden age, you
know, but it feels like a golden age for the same room as you
know. It's like it's no longer Kali
Yuga anymore. There's not even a.
If of Kali Yuga anymore them has just been up with that majesty,
that sacredness. It's just saturated.
Oh yeah, it's golden age, you see, so you figure it out.
You actually if if you're the commander of your mandala, you
know, if you're, it's all the situations and in points you
should have a call you the free around your body.
You know, it's like not too ambitious.
Something like 108 meters would be good or 108 feet something.
Yeah, all tension. Be tall in order.
It's a it's a lot, Yeah. What what, What's the best
method to create that Kali Yuga free zone?
How do you actually do it? How can people do that in a way
that really. Everyone knows how to do that.
Body speech in mind is doing your Dharma stuff.
It's it's just doing your good old Dharma, that's all.
I love. That.
Colluding with body, not colluding with speech, not
colluding with mind. You see, it's Kali Yuga free.
Kali Yuga is all about pollution and degeneration.
I'm very present, disciplined, loving, open and aware,
vigilant, dynamic, enthusiastic, you know, like that kind of
thing. Like like.
Ozermirbiche is. Yeah, then you go from Kali Yuga
free zone, that's maintaining discipline and then you
transition gradually when you get more and more presence
power, then you get into golden. Age Ozermirbiche.
Level. I love that.
I. Am the golden.
Age that. Kind of thing.
I know. What you mean that is wonderful?
You put him in jail. It doesn't matter.
He's. He brings the golden.
Age with him, you know, right there in that cell, it's the
golden age. I love that this is it.
This seems manageable. It feels possible.
Uh huh. See.
That's what the that's what. The.
Authority is expecting everybody there to do, you know, is yeah.
Through the, through the power of the meditation, you know,
erecting the banner of victory through the, through the
meditation, you see, in different spots, Yeah.
That's how you do it, you see. So it's like erecting the banner
of victory through meditation, through samadhi, you know?
Yes. Not let ego kick me around in
this zone. This is Kali Yuga free zone, you
know, and we're erecting the banner of victory.
We're not letting ego kick us around here.
See, meditation destroys the ego, you know.
Yes, totally. Different quest, but I, I
totally recommend, you know, once you have the top terms, so
10 terms would be really helpful, be very helpful because
they kind of like bring you into a meditative state anyway,
There's something you know, it's back to the frequency thing, the
letters, right? The, the, the euphonic aspect,
you know, the euphonic chorales, right?
The, the, the, this musical, the, the profundity of the
sound, the the, what the sound evokes, right?
Like to know words like zontal. That's a great one to know just
because knowing the word alone seems to induce something.
It's very mantric, something that special about just knowing
that word Zontal. If I say it now even, you know,
Zoom Tao, you know, so powerful. Actually the language words in
the mind are very, you know, very powerful Words are very
powerful way to bring meaning deep into the mind, right?
Sound is a way to get to the core of the mind.
You know nothing gets to the core of the mind is as good.
As. You know, sound can really move
us, right? So knowing words like that, even
like a word like kadak, some of these really big.
So 10 words, very good. It's good to know these words.
Yep. You know, kadak riqba, that's
very powerful just to say that word, that expression, kadak
riqba, you know? Yeah.
Intrinsic awareness, primordial purity actually sounds way
better in Tibetan, you know, And you can get into the musicality
of it too when you get to know the word more after you get past
the explanation and you start using it.
Oh yeah. I guess it it's works way better
than your conventional language. Like when I said primordial
purity, intrinsic awareness, it didn't have any of the firepower
that it had for me. When I said Kabag Rigba, you see
way more powerful Rangjung Rigba rang Jung rang self Jung each
year or self originated Rang Jung Rikba very powerful.
Yes. I highly recommend knowing like
108 Zhou Chen terms like the big ones.
Yep, Definitely. Yep.
Yeah. Because they themselves each
each one of those, those are pointing out instructions,
actually those those terms, you know, Yeah.
Kadhak texture, right? Kadhak texture cutting through
to primordial purity, just to unpack that term there carries a
lot. There's a lot in that, you know,
what does zhong Tau mean? What does zhong Tau mean?
Zhong Zhong Zhong is transparent, right?
And and taal means to penetrate, OK, to penetrate.
Describing awareness as not having a form, OK, like an
aspect. This is not the complete aspect
of awareness, but an aspect of awareness has no form, and yet
it's penetrating everywhere, everything.
There's nowhere that you go where it's not.
You see that awareness, the the excitation of the field.
The excitation is everywhere, you see?
Yeah. There's nothing in space which
is not not excitation. Yeah.
Excellent. A very, very good point to
address actually is what is in fact bodhichitta.
What's what's actually happening when it's actually operating
optimally OK, like we have a progression going on?
Here. You know from from bodhichitta
as like an attitude, something you should develop OK to
building it up, working with it to the point where it's actually
taking over and operating and then the system is functioning
through completely on bodhichitta.
You see? Optimum, optimum functioning,
right? So what you've got is in the
case of Ozimer Miche, why that that's remarkable.
Is is. That the fire of Bodhichitta you
see is totally lit up. It's not just an attitude or an
inspiration you see, but it's an existential functioning you see.
It's the difference. There, it's a very it's a big.
Difference there.