1 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,560 Hello, welcome to the extra credits of Timothy Chalamet's A 2 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:21,960 Complete Unknown. I'm Trey. 3 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,040 And I'm Kelsey. So Chalamet fans are thriving. 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,360 We are thriving. All tabs are thriving. 5 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,640 Earlier this year, Timothy Chalamet gave a career defining 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,160 performance as Paula Tradies in Dune Part 2 went full Anakin 7 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:38,880 Skywalker Revenge of the Sith moment. 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,760 I know that character is inspired by Paula Tradies and 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,760 not the other way around. You get my point that Dune Part 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,320 2 is one of the most impressive movies of 2024, still arguably 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,240 the best movie of the year. That performance is excellent. 12 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:54,160 However, six months later we have a complete unknown. 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,520 We have this rendition of the Bob Dylan iconic figure, the the 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,960 myth more than the man and Timothy Chalamet's 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,640 interpretation of what he thinks Bob Dylan is in this James 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,000 Mangold film. And the rumors are, I guess not 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,920 rumors, but just kind of the conversation around this 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,240 performance is that Timothy Chalamet could be the youngest 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,480 best actor, Oscar winner of all time because of this role. 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,160 Even though I think the Paula Tradies role is probably a 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,440 little bit more up there for me and my Chalamet rankings, which 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,200 we can discuss a little bit today, I am really impressed by 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,240 our guy watching these two movies this year. 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,320 Me too. Yeah. 25 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:30,560 I went on with really low expectations but for his 26 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,160 performance and for the movie, but he was so surprised on both 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,680 levels. What's crazy is he's been on 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,760 like an iconic run since 2017, you know, like with Call Me By 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,520 Your Name, with Beautiful Boy, with Wonka, with Bones and all 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,120 like the Guadagnino projects, but also these kind of like 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,240 obscure indie films slash these like big projects that he's like 32 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,800 really, you know, I think exceeded expectations in which 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,440 is a big deal. And now he's getting closer to 34 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,800 30, much like us, he's in our generation of like that Zelenio, 35 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,680 which we'll discuss in a little bit too, which I think is 36 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,560 fascinating in as far as him becoming this like first major 37 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,240 Zelenio icon in Hollywood next to Zendaya. 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,919 I really feel like he's entering a moment right now of in 2024 39 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,240 currently where there's like, either my algorithms are just 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,760 Chalamet or he's in, which is likely. 41 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:19,680 But he's like in this crossover of artistic fame and celebrity 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:20,200 fame. Yeah. 43 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,880 And we don't really care about celebrity. 44 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,160 But in as far as using it the way that Chalamet is, which is 45 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,720 trying to get people in theaters, Yeah. 46 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,160 It's pretty incredible. It is, yeah. 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,240 We just really haven't seen this. 48 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,120 Recently it's wild too. Like, you know, we were, we were 49 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,000 talking about like, what was the strategy from his PR team? 50 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,200 No idea. No idea, But it's working. 51 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,680 Yeah. And, you know, he's just like 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,320 going into crowds of people like. 53 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,560 He had the look alike competition when he walked 54 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:45,840 through like he was Paula Tradies. 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,160 He's on red carpets doing like Dylan parody stuff like he's 56 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,800 he's bringing Beyblades onto carpets again, going back to the 57 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,520 Zillennial of him. He's like head banging to like 58 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,320 Kid Cudi on red carpets. He's doing Soldier Boy with like 59 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,200 Brittany Broski. He's doing college game day. 60 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:04,720 He's just. On. 61 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,240 He was on the Theo Von podcast and then was like, I like what 62 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,880 you do, but I don't really know your podcast. 63 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,480 Like who set up who set all this average genius. 64 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,200 It's I've never also seen him like since Wonka. 65 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,680 He's always been a kind of reserved, like hot sad boy. 66 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,720 That's been his bit right? And he's been Timmy. 67 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,480 He's really transformed into Timothy at this point, like 68 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,280 where he is more like turning into like a confident version of 69 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,440 himself. But since Wonka in that press 70 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,000 run, I feel like he's been on this year long press run of like 71 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,320 showing, Oh no, like I'm a confident artist and I just 72 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,600 happened to be rich and happened to be a celebrity. 73 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,640 But like I'm not from that background really. 74 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,440 Like I've grown up in the arts, but I'm not like he was just 75 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,040 explaining subsidized housing to Theo Von the other day on Theo 76 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,200 Von's podcast. And like what hit the the 77 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,120 apartments that his parents lived in. 78 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,160 And like he just has such a fascinating background is just 79 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,120 like one of the guys or like like a normal person basically. 80 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,280 And that's turned into this like larger than life symbol. 81 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,880 Like, it makes sense that he took on this Bob Dylan project, 82 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,920 but I'm just like, strangely, even though we're at such a 83 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,240 distance, like, proud to have somebody that represents. 84 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,640 Feels like kind of normal in terms of like not totally 85 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,959 detached. Exactly, exactly. 86 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,880 And I think that's been like a, a cool thing to see because with 87 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,320 Selenials and I'm just like making this word up, I guess 88 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,240 some people say it like that, that age group between the 28 to 89 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,920 32 group of people, adults who grew up with social media, but 90 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,760 like sort of not really like we were in that pre digital 91 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,120 footprint era, but yet had had social media accounts in our 92 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,480 adolescence. He seems to be in that phase of 93 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,240 like being plugged into like what he needs to be doing as far 94 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,080 as social media, but he also seems plugged out in a very 95 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,400 similar way to our generation. It reminds me of we just watched 96 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:50,560 DD which is one of my. Favorite. 97 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,560 I was just going to bring that up. 98 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,960 Yeah, of the year felt like it captured kind of like what the 99 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,560 start of of YouTube in Myspace were. 100 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:58,800 Right. And it feels like it's 101 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,360 representing this free social media generation, like right on 102 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,960 the the cusp of it. And so it's cool to see somebody 103 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,520 like him that is being that is this successful and is this 104 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,400 willing to put themselves out there. 105 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,360 And he's also an East Coaster. And you can feel the neurotic 106 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,840 energy coming from him, which is, you know, right on for what 107 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:20,120 Bob Dylan represents to as E coasters ourselves or former E 108 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,000 coasters now. Like it's deeply relatable to 109 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,680 see somebody who is like strangely confident, but also 110 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,200 neurotic, like having this level of fame. 111 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,640 So yeah, it's pretty awesome to see what he's been doing on this 112 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,440 press run. This should be a good moment to 113 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,280 say that we're doing a Chalamet month right now on Patreon. 114 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,920 We're covering Little Woman, we're covering Call Me by Your 115 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,880 Name. And we're running an exclusive 116 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,720 right now on our Patreon account, which you can check in 117 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,080 our description of this episode on YouTube or on Spotify, 118 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,640 wherever you're watching or listening to this. 119 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,280 And if you sign up as a free member on Patreon, then you'll 120 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:54,360 be able to access our collections tab of free episodes 121 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,360 where you can access Dune Part 1, in which we did A4 plus hour 122 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,720 deep dive into the text of Dune, a novel, a Frank Herbert novel 123 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,040 we had not read up until that point where we were reading 124 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,120 samples of it or like kind of like snippets of it. 125 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,120 And then really deep diving the movie that Denis Villeneuve gave 126 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,640 us and the performance of Chalamet, kind of going from 127 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,080 young boy Messiah to adult Messiah. 128 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,840 Love this maybe more than than the first time I watched it but 129 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:22,600 then also I was like it was in It's up there now with like Doom 130 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,960 Part 2. Also like I like it in different 131 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,680 reasons. Yes, they're different movies. 132 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,040 I think I like Doom Part 1 a little bit more than Doom Part 133 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,620 2, but Doom Part 2 is like unquestionably more quote UN 134 00:06:31,620 --> 00:06:32,960 quote epic, you know what I mean? 135 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,080 It's more spectacle driven, he's given. 136 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,840 Maybe more to do? I think so too. 137 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:41,440 And hard to, right. So, yeah, I mean, we're also new 138 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,160 to video podcast. If you're watching this on 139 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,520 YouTube, go ahead, like and subscribe, comment below. 140 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,680 Let us know what some of your favorite chow Mein movies have 141 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,680 been in his project thus far. Yeah, He's had a really kind of 142 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,800 like eclectic career in the past seven or eight years. 143 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,480 He's done so many different types of movies. 144 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,720 Some argue that his supporting roles are better than some of 145 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,240 his major roles, like leading roles. 146 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,000 I don't know if you want to talk about this, but in terms of 147 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,680 rankings, I don't mind making this. 148 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,320 Putting this out there 'cause I just made a letterbox list and. 149 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,520 I saw that. Was that because I saw the 150 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,360 movies? You're doing justice performance 151 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:13,760 right. Justice performance is not the 152 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,680 movies, if that makes sense. Yeah, so. 153 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,160 I thought I was like. I think real Chalamet heads know 154 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,440 #1 is like tied between Call Me by Your Name and Beautiful Boy. 155 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,840 Like those are like the two like most obvious, most clearly like 156 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,680 career defining roles in as far as if you're a film fan and 157 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,400 something if you're also like a fan of award show something that 158 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,440 he should have been more recognized for in terms of 159 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,080 winning more awards for those roles, especially Beautiful Boy 160 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:43,040 and what that movie represented. And then Dune Part 2 obviously 161 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,320 is in that conversation. I think a complete unknown, 162 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,800 which is the movie we're going to be talking about today is in 163 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,920 that conversation. That's how good he is in this 164 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,080 movie. And then maybe Bones and all, 165 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,680 but that's like a personal pick. I try to be as objective as I 166 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,160 could have been, but like I really love that Guadagnino 167 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,040 movie and I think he is the most charismatic he's ever been in 168 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,840 that role in any of his movies. A complete unknown. 169 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Some people have said that he's charismatic and he is, but it's 170 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,120 because he's Timmy. I think what he's trying to do 171 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,600 is the anti charisma, which is interesting. 172 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,840 So yeah, people can check our letterbox too in the description 173 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:15,760 to see that list. I'm going to. 174 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,640 Save my ranking for our call Me by your name because I have to 175 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:21,680 think about it a little bit more. 176 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,040 But I do agree that call me by your name is like really up 177 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,960 there with beautiful boy. But there is something about 178 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,280 that being his earlier career and and kind of what he's able 179 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,480 to deliver in a Doom Part 2 that almost makes me like put that 180 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,240 above beautiful boy He's. So good in Doom Part 2. 181 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:41,440 So I get it. Yeah. 182 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,840 I mean, it's, you know, it could be one of those things we look 183 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,400 back on. It's so recent, but like 10 184 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,960 years from now where it's like so clearly his best performance, 185 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,240 it's just hard to know because it's so recent. 186 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,200 I have to think about it more. Yeah, so the cool thing about 187 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,040 Shalami's work is he doesn't have a bad performance. 188 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,080 And those supporting roles, If we watch A Little Woman and Call 189 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,360 Me by her Little Woman and you know, Lady Bird recently, and 190 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,480 he's just so good at playing the sad boy, you can't help but be 191 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,160 sympathetic for her to differing degrees in those two films, but 192 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,840 especially Little Woman as Lori. And he's clearly taken on the 193 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,480 Leonardo DiCaprio playbook, the Christian Bale playbook, the 194 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:13,880 Joaquin. Phoenix and he talked about 195 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,040 that, too, yeah. He said his the movie that 196 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,000 inspired him to want to be an actor was like The Dark Knight 197 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,320 and watching Heath Ledger and Christian Bale in that film. 198 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,160 And it's very relatable for us in terms of what inspired us to 199 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,880 be movie fans was like sitting in an IMAX in 2008 and watching 200 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:26,920 this like. Heath Ledger, yeah. 201 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,320 Heat, you know, the Heat remake into the superhero film. 202 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,560 Yeah. So, you know, that's like an 203 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:34,320 iconic thing to say, but I believe it. 204 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,360 He feels like somebody who is trying to study the choices of 205 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,200 those kinds of actors, Heath Ledger included. 206 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,400 And so he is a sort of like, you know, you can't really attach 1 207 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,160 actor to him. He just feels like multiple like 208 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,280 celebrities at once. And he's also like not even 209 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,040 though the college game day thing, I think it's confusing 210 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,600 some people, his new fans, but he's not exactly like a like a 211 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,360 aggro like hyper masculine Playboy kind of guy. 212 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,280 Like that makes sense. He's not a Leo DiCaprio. 213 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,560 He doesn't treat himself seriously like a Christian Bale. 214 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,920 He's not eccentric enough to be a Joaquin Phoenix. 215 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,480 He's a little bit too relatable. And I would say that I would 216 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,000 argue that he is like just a little bit like chill in 217 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,440 different ways compared to those other people, even though he is 218 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,320 he's very volatile. Yeah, I think it is really 219 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,080 fascinating to see like all the different things he's doing in 220 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,560 this press run and all the kind of different personas people are 221 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:26,320 like tagging on to him. And because we've been following 222 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,840 him for so long and he's just in our algorithm, since we're like 223 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,640 similar age, it's like, I don't know, he is actually that that 224 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,000 guy. Yeah. 225 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,160 But so that, that's really like, interesting. 226 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,160 And I'm interested to see, like, all the new fans that come to 227 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,840 him. But also, just before we move 228 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:47,440 on, it's so funny that Heath Ledger and Christian Bale played 229 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:48,880 Bob Dylan. I know. 230 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,600 Yeah, in the Todd Haynes film. And now he's going for it, too. 231 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,520 It makes sense. I mean, he's doing another 232 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,960 biopic with the Ping Pong movie with the Safdie brothers next 233 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,720 year. Like a Wolf of Wall Street, 234 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,080 Catch Me If You Can movie. I can't wait. 235 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,320 And Gwyneth Paltrow is the love interest, I think. 236 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,520 Say less so. Yeah, he's one of our favorite 237 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,000 actors, you know, of our generation. 238 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,200 Yeah. Like, my favorite actor right 239 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,680 now is Robert Pattinson, but Chalamet's in that tear, in that 240 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:13,840 conversation. And there's others like Flo, 241 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,080 Pew, or. Sexual type of silly, you know, 242 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,880 like press run vibe from like a Pattinson. 243 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,800 An absurdist. Timmy that we personally love to 244 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,800 to see. Yes, yeah. 245 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,280 So there's a lot of great actors of his generation, but I think 246 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Timmy has this strange self effacing absurdity while also 247 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,240 having insane, charming charisma that is just hard to, like, give 248 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,320 honestly voice to. It's hard to talk about some 249 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,120 people who have that kind of energy, which like there's a 250 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,880 gravitational pull to him that a lot of people feel. 251 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,200 OK, So I'm sure people who came to listen to us talk about Bob 252 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,120 Dylan are like, what the hell? You're going to get it. 253 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,160 I've done a lot of prep. I'm not a Bob Dylan guy. 254 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,560 I've weirdly turned into one over the past month. 255 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,320 Listen to a lot of music. Yes. 256 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,160 Yeah. We're not. 257 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,440 We're not Bob Dylan people. So like, that is also something 258 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,840 to know going into this. If we get some details wrong 259 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,560 about Bob Dylan's life, like, yeah, you know, kindly correct, 260 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:05,000 correct us in the in the comments. 261 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,080 That's fine. Well, I don't care. 262 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,560 We can't prepare. We're wearing all black. 263 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,040 We have these sunglasses from the at our critics screening. 264 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,800 They gave us these. Yeah, we can put them on. 265 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,800 I don't know if I can. I think hopefully we look sick. 266 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,760 Men in black. It looks men in black, doesn't 267 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,400 it? It doesn't. 268 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,000 I thought the same thing. We'll just like. 269 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,320 Edit. This out can you see? 270 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,480 Any of them? No, that's what I'm saying. 271 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,240 It's, I mean, our lighting isn't blinding me. 272 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,840 At least you know we can't continue with this. 273 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,360 Maybe we'll use it for the for the thumbnail. 3 pose. 274 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,760 I hope we look sick. All right. 275 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,040 OK, so complete unknown. We tried to like channel Bob 276 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,600 Dylan today. It's hard to it's hard to 277 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,240 channel Bob Dylan because there's so many different 278 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,760 interpretations of who he is, even to the the man himself and 279 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,760 in a complete unknown. Does Bob Dylan know who Bob? 280 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,160 Dylan, does he even exist? Yeah, I think he would like that 281 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,680 question. He's still alive today. 282 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:02,760 I do think that, you know, he would genuinely like that 283 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,240 question. This movie is really good. 284 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,920 Yeah, I think it's really good. It seems to be pretty divisive 285 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,960 online. I think it's great. 286 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,040 We're not Dylan heads though, so we just recently, you know what 287 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,800 I mean? We just recently became aware of 288 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:14,760 this person. We'll talk about our 289 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,240 relationship to him in a second. But A Complete Unknown is a 290 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,880 really conventional movie that is really good at what it's 291 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,440 conventional at, if that makes sense. 292 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,920 It is like two different movies at the same time. 293 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,000 And I think 1 is really fun and interesting and good and the 294 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,040 other is underdeveloped, yet it's interesting that's in the 295 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,960 film. So let's get into like why? 296 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,040 You know that is before we dive too deep in a spoiler. 297 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,120 So we'll still stick in non spoiler territory right now 298 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,440 because we're recording this a little bit early before it comes 299 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:43,920 out. Why? 300 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,000 Because we saw some so many weeks ago. 301 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,840 Now I've seen it twice, so a Complete unknown directed by 302 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,080 James Mangold, based on a book called Dylan Goes Electric, 303 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,720 which details Dylan's famous 1965 performance at the Newport 304 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,800 Folk Festival, I believe is what it's called, which becomes a 305 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,000 major moment in the film, a great tense moment, but a great 306 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,400 moment of of music in this movie. 307 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,720 And the music in this film is incredible, where we get to see 308 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,160 Dylan transform and kind of reinvent his musical identity, 309 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,320 going electric essentially, not just something better, but to 310 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,800 something different. I think as he puts it in a a 311 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,240 cafe with Elle Fanning's character, when they're talking 312 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,560 about another public figure and the book, you know, that real 313 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,680 life book and then this film approached Dylan's life with 314 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,040 this very cautious lens in the mid to late 1960s. 315 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,000 With care, they're hoping to contextualize him as this like 316 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,160 unknowable icon. They want to also unpack the 317 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:45,120 public and media narrative izing his life and identity and I 318 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,520 personally think the film successfully at a high level 319 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,440 depicts a powerful transformation of this 320 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,600 unknowable artist that doesn't necessarily depict him as a 321 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,200 depressed genius. This is like a great man myth 322 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,600 movie. I don't think it is. 323 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,640 It also doesn't depict him as this like aspirational larger 324 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,000 than life figure and instead the movie tries to depict him as 325 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:10,440 this sort of confusing, enigmatic, fascinating American 326 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,760 cultural symbol or artifact less than an actual note, a man that 327 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,240 we can know that much about. And to do this, they give us 328 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,320 some like formal former folk stars that inspired him on his 329 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,160 journey to come to New York in the 1st place for Minnesota. 330 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,200 We also get this love triangle that unpacks the audience's 331 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,160 relationship to different eras of Dylan, like how they think 332 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,280 they know him but might not totally know him, which is 333 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,640 similar to the woman in his life. 334 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,280 And they become the emotional core of the story, especially 335 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,160 the folk singers, too, with Woody Guthrie in particular, and 336 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,520 Pete Seeger as well. And so there's, like, the 337 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,800 biographical part of this movie, the biopic part of a complete 338 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,320 unknown, I think is really effective and successful, even 339 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,600 if it's just a series of, like, linear vignettes, which are 340 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,840 conventional and standard. I just think James Mangold is 341 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,600 good at making rewatchable, like, dad movies, and this movie 342 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:01,680 is one of those. Yeah. 343 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,680 It is like a four versus Ferrari in a sense. 344 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,440 Like which? Is this kind of like the 345 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,080 festival how you're talking about as like a pinnacle point 346 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,400 to show a shift right in the narrative Like that felt really 347 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,920 successful? Yes, however, and this is where 348 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,920 like the movie is not perfect, it has a ceiling. 349 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,600 The film also attempts to find a deeper, more important through 350 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,760 line, if you will, considering the era of the civil rights era, 351 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,360 considering what this Bob Dylan figure meant to the public and 352 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,000 meant to people who are being exploited or oppressed or 353 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,040 marginalized in this era and still are. 354 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,240 And so that more nuanced through line that this movie is trying 355 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,440 to hit on in terms of what Dylan represents politically. 356 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,800 And then his transformative journey alongside that in kind 357 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,080 of paralleling his transformative journey with the 358 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,000 cultural and musical revolution of the time. 359 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,680 Whether that's successful or not, I think is up for debate. 360 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,560 And I think that's what we're going to be discussing a lot 361 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,080 today. Because you have this era in the 362 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,600 60s of civil rights tensions. You have racism, you've 363 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,000 anti-Semitism on TV's a lot that's not necessarily on the 364 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,200 forefront of this film. You have conversations about 365 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,720 desegregation. You have as a result, like these 366 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,520 massive protests, sometimes again on screen, sometimes on 367 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,760 random TV's, you have whispers of new legislation you have 368 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,880 oncoming or you know, just happened assassinations. 369 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,720 So you have Dylan kind of walking into Greenwich Village, 370 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,040 becoming this star during this revolutionary era and time where 371 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,280 he gives voice to people who are voiceless and using this 372 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,280 democratization of music through folk music and the evolution to 373 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,960 pop and rock at the same time to try to give people up a power 374 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,240 through through language and communicating through music. 375 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,880 And we also see music executives behind the scenes kind of 376 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,240 reckoning with the fact that they can't pressure musicians 377 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,080 just to do like traditional songs anymore because they're 378 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,480 all these musicians in the 60s coming out of this era, 379 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,840 including like Johnny Cash or Joan Baez, who are trying to 380 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,240 have a voice in these troubling times and be artists. 381 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,960 And so he becomes Dylan, becomes one of these musicians who are 382 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,960 breaking traditions and conventions and mirroring these 383 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,560 human rights move movements in this movie. 384 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,680 This is where it struggles, I think, attempts to use Dylan as 385 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,920 like a Rosetta Stone of the moment. 386 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:15,520 And I don't think it totally does. 387 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:16,800 I don't think it totally knows how to. 388 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,880 And I don't think it feels comfortable in that space. 389 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,240 Yeah, strangely. Yeah, well, I think, you know, 390 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,760 again, I was like laughing before when I was like, it's 391 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,280 it's a great movie. It's also because I know nothing 392 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,440 about Bob Dylan. So like as a movie going in with 393 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,400 low expectations, it worked because of the reasons that 394 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,080 you're talking about, just like technically and pacing and, and 395 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,360 storytelling. But I think I, you know, I 396 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:42,640 watched the documentary on Max. What was that one called? 397 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:44,080 The 90. Minute 1. 398 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:45,920 Don't look now. Don't look back. 399 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:51,680 Yeah, and don't look now, but the that documentary I went, you 400 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,520 know, when I watched the Bob Dylan kind of like interviews 401 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,320 that how he was interacting with press and different answers he 402 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,760 was giving in terms of like what his songs mean. 403 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,360 I was my reaction was that, oh, I watched a completely 404 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:09,520 different, you know, interpretation of who Bob Dylan 405 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,680 was. That's really the point Chalamet 406 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:16,120 film and so and also it felt like they didn't really go into 407 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:21,520 some complicated features of what Bob Dylan means to culture 408 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:27,640 and also what his songs and and his maybe responsibility or not 409 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:33,560 that he is maybe like, I guess like or willing to to have more 410 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,280 like the the words or lyrics of his song that the film just kind 411 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,120 of like totally sidestep that. But I didn't know at all because 412 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:41,760 I just don't have a relationship to Dylan. 413 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,360 But that was interesting and I wish you're right. 414 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:47,720 Like, I think there's a ceiling in the sense that it's safe in a 415 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,200 lot of ways, right? Right. 416 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,680 Yeah. And so, yes, it is very safe in 417 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,480 many ways, especially politically. 418 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,360 And really, that's kind of what I was getting to, which is that 419 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:59,480 the movie seems to be like trading a lot of that kind of 420 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,440 reaction ISM of the time or the conversations about is Bob Dylan 421 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,400 an anarchist or a chaotic person? 422 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,800 What does he think politically? And because this is during like 423 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,560 a red scare movement, you see also like red scare imagery 424 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,160 throughout a complete unknown. And so it's not like they're not 425 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,200 discussing it or it's not like it's not a part of the the text 426 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,600 of the film. It's in the imagery of the 427 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,960 movie. It's just that they're not 428 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,440 really expressing too much about it. 429 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,400 And it's way more interested in Bob Dylan's relationship to his 430 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,600 own identity through the woman in his life, and also Woody 431 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,280 Guthrie in particular. The the man in the hospital for 432 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,000 those who don't know and Scoot Mcnary's character who is 433 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,480 dealing with an illness and and doesn't pass away in the film. 434 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,440 And so he's kind of a he becomes like a symbol or motif in the 435 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,400 movie where it's like this recurring thing that Bob Dylan 436 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,880 goes to do when he doesn't know, almost like this is my 437 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,360 interpretation, doesn't know quite who he is anymore. 438 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,600 He's been trying to discover a new identity for himself. 439 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,840 And we know he's changed his name. 440 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,120 And in real life, he did a few times moving from Minnesota to 441 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:58,400 New York and him is Bob Dylan. It feels like he never got to 442 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,240 shape his own identity before the media got a hold of him and 443 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,960 was shaping his identity for him or the public at large. 444 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,680 And he never got to really pay homage to Woody Guthrie in a way 445 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,440 that he thought was significant. And it's sort of feels like he's 446 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,440 reckoning with the fact that he thinks that he stole the soul of 447 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,920 somebody who died too young. And like he's he's carrying, you 448 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,720 know, this legacy forward, but also wants to have his own 449 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,680 identity, which is why him going electric. 450 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,960 It's such a big deal. It's not because he's a 451 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,120 contrarian, which he sort of is, you know, in real life. 452 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,800 It's not because he's counterculture, which he 453 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,160 certainly is in real life, but it's also because he's trying to 454 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,840 find his own artistic space. Yes, his own identity, which I 455 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,080 think is actually really beautiful and aspirational. 456 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,320 And like, I think the movie gets that across. 457 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,240 I just think unfortunately, what it what it, you know, exchanges 458 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,520 for that Woody Guthrie part in the love triangle part. 459 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:49,200 Is this more kind of like politically confrontational part 460 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,680 of Bob Dylan life? Yeah. 461 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,360 If you watch the Martin Scorsese documentary, which you can right 462 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:58,040 now on YouTube or Netflix or the Don't Look Back documentary that 463 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,600 you're talking about the 90 minute 1, or if you watch 464 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,520 honestly, like any really Bob Dylan interview from the 1960s, 465 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,520 he is like a politically challenging person. 466 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,000 He is confrontational. He's obviously clearly using 467 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,280 music as a way to communicate to to young people, but also like 468 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,440 he's speaking to like Congress and his songs like and so that 469 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,160 aspect of this movie is really missed because they almost paint 470 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,000 Timothy Chalamet the direction, the interpretation of Dylan is 471 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,040 safer They and it's not Chalamet fault. 472 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,320 Chalamet kills it in terms of what he was asked to do. 473 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,400 It's just that they paint him more to be like Yoda. 474 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,200 They paint him like he's just hide. 475 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,840 He's a recluse and he's apathetic, indifferent. 476 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,720 Elle Fanning's character introduces him to Civil. 477 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,680 Rights. It's not a great man movie at 478 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,040 all, but it does have this like quiet genius, like, you know, 479 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,040 threads in it a little bit. Yeah, there are moments like 480 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,280 where Joan Baez is like listening in on his music and 481 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,080 then come sit next to him and he's like, how did you do that? 482 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,920 He's like, I'm in the carnival. It's like, whoa, you're in the 483 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,440 carnival. It's like, I don't believe like 484 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,760 the character's like I don't believe you. 485 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,280 And so yeah, there's a little bit of that, but also there's 486 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,080 not enough maybe that he was like because of my 487 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,880 interpretation, I guess we just talk about it now. 488 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,720 My interpretation of Bob Dylan from the documentaries, like the 489 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,720 real life Bob Dylan, because I've had to do a lot of like 490 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,960 prep for this episode. I watched the two major 491 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,480 documentaries about his life, which are like a total like 5 492 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,400 hours of runtime. I've read a lot of work about 493 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,160 his life, not just during the 60s but post 60s. 494 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,600 And I don't think this movie actually agrees with my take. 495 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,200 So I'll just say mine, which is that I think Bob Dylan is like a 496 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:33,960 deeply angry, lost intellectual and in this 1960s. 497 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:37,400 And instead he's painted as somebody who is sort of unaware 498 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,360 in the movie. And I think that is convenient 499 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,400 because then it leans itself into a safer approach 500 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,920 cinematically. You can rely on other characters 501 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,200 giving Bob Dylan a voice in an emotion. 502 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,440 And that's certainly interesting. 503 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,720 Like the woman in this movie in particular, like Monica Babaro 504 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,600 is Joan Baez or Elle Fanning as the other woman in this film, 505 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,960 both giving great performances, especially Babaro. 506 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:03,320 Who will discuss who's my extra credits of this film She. 507 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,840 Was amazing, yeah. On on the surface, it's 508 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,440 interesting because it's like here, the woman that are 509 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,520 actually making the genius genius, but we've seen that 510 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,320 trope before and it's like so unnecessary to continue that 511 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,080 instead, instead of actually giving us fully developed 512 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,760 characters, especially for Joan Baez in her own right, being 513 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,400 just like talented musician of her era. 514 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,120 But it almost it leans into like Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie, 515 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,440 all these other people who make up who are, who make up what we 516 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,640 know of as Bob Dylan from the 1960s as this like protest 517 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,520 singer, this folk singer turned protest singer turned pop rock 518 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,800 radical singer. And instead of actually looking 519 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,800 at maybe this interviews with a little bit more of a skating 520 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,520 lens, which he seems like he was frustrated with how the media 521 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,280 was Co opting his name and also frustrated that he was sort of 522 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,880 rejecting his responsibility to be a little bit more direct. 523 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,880 And the media. There's a lot of self hate that 524 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,480 I'm interpreting when watching Bob Dylan documentaries, like 525 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,840 when he's confronting interviewers, like he obviously 526 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,160 hate, he hates what they do for a living in terms of trying to 527 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,640 search for a headline and like what he's not doing correctly or 528 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,760 trying to Co opt his words and the meaning of what his words 529 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,960 mean to them. And Bob Dylan knows he's living 530 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,680 in a time where people are going to jail and being identified as 531 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,000 communist. And so he's like afraid of his 532 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,440 of being too clear in his politics. 533 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,400 But you could see the regret in his face like mid answering when 534 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,600 he's like, or if he's like flipping a question back on an 535 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,640 interviewer. So they're always like, what I'm 536 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,840 talking about really are like complexities of a human being 537 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,160 who is a larger than life figure who didn't mean to be 1. 538 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,560 And so like that aspect of Bob Dylan's life is totally missed 539 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,000 in this movie. I I mean in my opinion. 540 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,280 Yeah, I mean, I was surprised to see the the footage of him like 541 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,280 this like confrontational person that I didn't feel like I even 542 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,400 saw in the in the movie. It felt like he was like, way 543 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,880 more, I guess, reserved and and wasn't like, kind of there is 544 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,440 one moment, right, where Joan Baez is like, you know, you're 545 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,520 kind of an asshole, like Bob or whatever because he tells her 546 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,040 that her songs are like, oil paintings and, like a dentist 547 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,120 office, Right. Yeah. 548 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,880 So there's like a moment of that. 549 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,480 But I didn't feel like I was seeing a kind of like person who 550 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:14,120 was actively like, you know, confronting and and having like 551 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,920 these kind of like emotionally really like challenging moments 552 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,960 with people around him where it was like unclear at least just 553 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:28,880 for my interpretation of like how much he was in on this idea 554 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,720 that he was actually challenging them because he disagreed with 555 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,520 like maybe what the the journalists were doing 556 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,200 completely as much as also he like didn't know how much this 557 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,560 is just my interpretation. I was like, how much 558 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,000 responsibility is he comfortable with? 559 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,640 I guess like taking in terms of his the the lyrics of his songs 560 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,880 and like that felt like kind of, I guess something that was 561 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,760 interesting that would be interesting to explore. 562 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,600 At least I would like to see in a film of like, well, like how 563 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,240 much, you know, as a as a figure, like is he built up in 564 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,640 terms of the contrast of how, how he is like willing to take 565 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,320 baby just like the the weight of like what he's saying and on. 566 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,560 And so that that was a really interesting tension, at least in 567 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,240 the documentaries. And again, of course, there's 568 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,680 always like a framing, but those were very clear in in his 569 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,960 conversations with journalists and with his team. 570 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,760 Especially don't look back when he was talking to the time 571 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,800 interviewer, for example. And it was like very clear that 572 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,920 because sometimes when you listen to Bob Dylan fans and we 573 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,640 have some people in our life who are Bob Dylan fans who we went 574 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,080 to go see the movie with and also discussed the movie with. 575 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,160 And this is a big question a lot of Dylan fans have online that 576 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,240 I've noticed is how aware is Bob Dylan, his own counterculture 577 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,920 persona? Like how aware is is he as this 578 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,960 like politically radical person? Like does he actually have an 579 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,720 ethos or does his music accidentally just speak to the 580 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,680 moment? How much of is the subconscious 581 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,080 coming through reverse the intentionality of his music? 582 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,560 And he's somebody who rejects intentionality in the era of the 583 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,920 60s and posts until today. I think like he rejects the idea 584 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,720 of like him needing to explain intention because of the way 585 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,600 that people will ultimately run with that. 586 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,600 Story wise, my view of Bob Dylan is that he is living in an era 587 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,440 where it was kind of like he can't be direct, he can't be too 588 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,440 self aware because they need is held to a higher standard. 589 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,160 And I think that he was struggling with should I become 590 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,000 a social rights activist or should I stay becoming a stay a 591 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,240 musician? And that's really in trying to 592 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,880 balance those two things at the same time. 593 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,880 And clearly Timothy Chalamet relates to this. 594 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,680 I mean, Timothy Chalamet does movies about a drug epidemic in 595 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,200 this country, does movies about colonialism and false messiahs. 596 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,360 And like he does movies about imperialism. 597 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,520 He's he's doing films about like child films like Wonka. 598 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,280 But then you watch Wonka and it's like this anti toxic, the 599 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,480 toxicity of religion, right, and capitalism. 600 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,480 And like he's doing movies about big ideas. 601 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,880 Though if you asked Timothy Chalamet a question about his 602 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,400 politics in an interview, he won't answer the question. 603 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,160 Like he won't answer directly at least some people. 604 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,320 Identifies as an artist, yeah. Which we don't need to be 605 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,040 looking at our artists, right, for like, yeah, I guess like 606 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,200 specific guidance in terms of like politics. 607 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,000 But it is interesting. But there is also like a 608 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,920 convenient, you know, nature that I was seeing in that like 609 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,200 Bob Dylan interviews at the same time, right, of like rejecting 610 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,120 responsibility. But again, I don't I am 611 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,120 interested to do like more research on him as a figure, 612 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,080 because it was fascinating to to just watch him talk about his 613 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,560 songs. And so because I don't, but I 614 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,560 also want to say like, I don't haven't watched everything, 615 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,840 don't know everything. That was just like my 616 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,680 interpretation from. Think Dylan fans are going to 617 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,440 come for us in the comments? Well, I'm protecting. 618 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,520 I'm protecting. Guys like it's, we're trying. 619 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,280 Like, it's not like, like I like the history of hip hop and rap 620 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,440 music. Like I've always, this is my 621 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,760 bias Going into the Bob Dylan movie. 622 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,280 I was not excited for A Complete unknown. 623 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,600 And as far as it being a Bob Dylan biopic, I was excited as a 624 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,760 Chalamet fan. I did not realize I'd walk out 625 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,840 turning into a Dylan like fan. Like, yeah, at least I'm a fan 626 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,200 of the concept of Bob. Dylan, yeah, Like, I want to 627 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,080 know more about like, what he means culturally and. 628 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,840 That has surprised me because I had always viewed and again 629 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,040 this. Is I'd always been uninterested 630 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,320 in him too. Well, I think because Bob Dylan 631 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,520 was supposed to represent a voice for the voiceless of the 632 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,240 60s and on. But in our generation, it 633 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,960 really, I've always, always attach Bob Dylan to the 634 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,200 demographic that's in love with him, which tends to be like this 635 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,360 overly educated, like upper middle class demographic who's 636 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,160 like obsessed with this like counterculture revolutionary 637 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,280 that almost treats him more as an aesthetic and a real. 638 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,040 Person. So I've always rejected, I've 639 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,560 been allergic to Bob Dylan, but I've realized that me and Bob 640 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,960 Dylan share the same allergy, which is that we're both 641 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,080 allergic to the way that people have taken his name and ran with 642 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,680 it in a different way, which is like certainly what he in those 643 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,280 documentaries talks about a lot, which is like, no, I didn't say 644 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,560 that. You said that like that kind of 645 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,000 energy he would put on. That's another thing like Bob 646 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,240 Dylan is pissed. Like if you watch those 647 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,680 documentaries, he's an angry guy. 648 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,280 He's like hitting his face on the microphone and doing his 649 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,840 songs and live concerts. So like. 650 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,000 Oh, you know what? Timmy did do that in the movie. 651 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,280 There are moments of that but but it felt more like he was 652 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,200 just doing it for entertainment sake or. 653 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,800 Performance or it felt like I was seeing someone like in the 654 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,480 character, like deal with something internally or like be, 655 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,960 you know, have conflicting feelings. 656 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,480 It didn't feel angry, like I kind of saw him the true Bob 657 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,600 Dylan footage. Right. 658 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,640 Yeah. And so I think I guess my point 659 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,920 was, is that this movie, it's two separate films. 660 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,080 I really like one of them. The other one like frustrates 661 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120 us, but it's it's like endlessly something you can like discuss, 662 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,520 right. Which is like, does this movie 663 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,560 even is it even aware of its own politics that it could be more 664 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,440 aware of? Yeah. 665 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,440 And it and it is like there's moments where you have music 666 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,360 executives being anti-Semitic and there is a moment where you 667 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,560 realize Bob Dylan changes the last name from Zimmerman to 668 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,680 Dylan, maybe arguing that he came from like Jewish roots in 669 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,680 Minnesota, which we, I think we've learned in real life that 670 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,680 he did. And he doesn't discuss those 671 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,560 things very much. He's very private, right. 672 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,280 In real life. He actually didn't even see this 673 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,560 movie yet, I believe, But he gave notes on the screenplay. 674 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,040 What he was offered to give notes on it. 675 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,360 And the only thing he gave notes on was the love triangle. 676 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,040 He wanted to get Elle Fanning's character in particular more 677 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,400 context because apparently she was more of a trophy character 678 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,880 in the original screenplay, which makes sense that he would 679 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,040 want to give a note on that, considering it is his real life. 680 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,960 But it's other people's lives that are kind of being 681 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,800 manipulated in in a in pop culture in this way. 682 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,240 But there's also like really kind of, I don't know. 683 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,560 The movie feels uncomfortable when it tries to do something 684 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,360 political. Like there's real life footage 685 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,800 of Dylan that Elle Fanning's characters watching on a bed at 686 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,160 one at one point in one of the vignettes of this movie. 687 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,760 And it's footage of Bob Dylan in the famous March on Washington. 688 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,160 And it's Chalamet's face composited over the real life 689 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,960 footage of Bob Dylan. And it looks embarrassing, like 690 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,880 visually. And it also feels. 691 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,960 Politically embarrassed Chalamet. 692 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,240 Unexamined in terms of what that significant moment meant for him 693 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,720 in that in that era. And he almost doesn't want to 694 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,040 lean into that too much because then has to have that 695 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,280 conversation. And there's also no openly 696 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,640 Jewish characters in the film. I believe there's not many black 697 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,200 characters in the movie or like developed characters. 698 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,480 And so like it's it's a very white dad movie because it's 699 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,000 made by James Mangold. But fortunately the performances 700 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,600 are so good and the direction is again, what it's conventional 701 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,080 at. It's really cinematically like 702 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,560 great at that. I am giving it like a little bit 703 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,280 of like a pass in as far as having the ceiling of like a 3 704 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,000 1/2 to four-star movie that I just had a really good time with 705 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,880 in the theaters. But that is just so 706 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,800 underwhelming considering the era, like intellectually 707 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,680 underwhelming considering what it could have done. 708 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,680 It really made me throughout the movie go, this is really well 709 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,400 shot. This is really well scored, 710 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,280 great design. Performances are incredible. 711 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,600 They're letting these actors. Read the. 712 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,880 Tactical world building in the 1960s. 713 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,120 I believed where they told me I was, but it really made me want 714 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,800 to see somebody like Paul Thomas Anderson make this movie, or 715 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,840 Steven Soderbergh, right, like David Fincher, Danny Boyle. 716 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,880 Really someone like interrogate and kind of address like what 717 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,000 Bob Dylan means culturally in terms of his lyrics, rather than 718 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,480 just like Bob Dylan as an artist that is an enigma like. 719 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,679 Yeah, I mean that because that's that's really what they focus on 720 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,520 is he's that he's basically unknowing. 721 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,480 OK, we can get more into the movie. 722 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,679 So this is a biopic like we were saying. 723 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,400 So the movie does start off with Timothy Chalamet's Bob Dylan 724 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,159 kind of walking into New York City looking for Woody Guthrie. 725 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,920 And Woody Guthrie, again, like I said, becomes like a motif of 726 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,800 the film. And I think a. 727 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,480 Reflection point for like Timmy or. 728 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,280 To reflect on his identity. Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan and maybe 729 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,800 Timmy, I don't know. And you really believe where you 730 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,880 are. Like I said, the sets feel 731 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,280 tangible. I I think the atmosphere is 732 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,840 felt, which it was in Ford versus Ferrari. 733 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,000 It was in Logan. We've seen James Mangold do 734 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,639 this. No comment on Indiana Jones 5 or 735 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,480 whatever last year. That was tough. 736 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,120 But I do remember the sets of that movie actually been pretty, 737 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,720 pretty epic sometimes. But so he's he's good at 738 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:04,200 building a world and his team is, but we see that he is over 739 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,040 the next five years, I think from 61 to 66 and forgetting 740 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,240 exactly the timeline. But he's struggling with the 741 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,600 fact that his musical identity is really owed to this dying man 742 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,040 in a hospital. And then he can't really find 743 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,800 his own identity before it's too late, before he's recognized by 744 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,920 his fans in the media and public at large that he is this new 745 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,360 folk singer that that Seeger Edward Norton's character is 746 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,520 introducing as like somebody who's going to bring back 747 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,160 traditional music. While you have Bob Dylan sending 748 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,520 like love letters to Johnny Cash, is Boyd Holbrook's John 749 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,160 Cash, who's also so good. Very compelling. 750 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,040 I realize it was him until you told me like and also. 751 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,680 He's totally immersed in it. Like singing wise, I was I asked 752 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,320 like is that him? I mean, I think Timmy his 753 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,040 singing also is great. Like that's also I think why I 754 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,800 came into this movie. Low expectations for a biopic, 755 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,760 but also low expectations especially for stars singing in 756 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,520 it. Movie like about an artist and 757 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,600 it. I thought it was good. 758 00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,440 Yeah. No, I thought it was. 759 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,280 I thought it was excellent. I think a lot of this thing is 760 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,160 excellent. I mean, Joan Baez, like, has 761 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,520 like an angelic voice. And I think Monica Barbaro nails 762 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,440 that, like, really well. So yeah, I think the next over 763 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,640 the five years, we see Chalamet kind of go through this, these 764 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,920 different views on like how Bob Dylan dressed, how he spoke, how 765 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,360 he handled himself openly in public, the different kind of 766 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,720 relationships he had. And the movie is less 767 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,040 interested, and I think Chalamet, too, less interested 768 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,520 in creating a caricature of Bob Dylan, even though right away 769 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,280 you're worried in the hospital when he's like, speaking under 770 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:32,960 his breath. Yeah. 771 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,760 But Timmy is so committed on like giving his own 772 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,360 sensibilities over to this character. 773 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,640 He's not committed to doing like a total recreation of who Bob 774 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,480 Dylan was in documentaries. It's very clear that Chalamet 775 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,280 have like an idea of like how he wanted to add his own style. 776 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,960 Like there is something a little bit like self assured about 777 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,080 Chalamet's Dylan while also being insecure, while also being 778 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,040 a little bit fragile. But also there's something 779 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,080 sensual about him that is very Chalamet coated because Bob 780 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,200 Dylan, like, I guess say what you want in terms of like how 781 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,920 hot you think the the the man in the myth, the legend is, but he 782 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,160 was like a really angry guy. And I think that's where a lot 783 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,920 of people projected attractiveness onto him. 784 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,880 Chalamet's doing it more so like I'm understated and that's 785 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,960 what's interesting about me. So again, don't come for us in 786 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,200 the comments. We disagree with that. 787 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,560 Just I mean, it's just my take, but yeah, I mean, I think it was 788 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,200 interesting to watch him go through these like five years 789 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,120 unpacking, you know, Chalamet's performance, unpacking the myth 790 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,320 of what Bob Dylan is to us and maybe him and just kind of give 791 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,520 us that strange charisma that that Chalamet has too. 792 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,080 And so, yeah, I mean, what did you think about the love 793 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,160 triangle verse, the doctor sequences, going back to see 794 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,760 Pete Seeger and then seeing Woody Guthrie verse, going to 795 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,200 see this love triangle verse, going to maybe the more 796 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,880 political like how how in on the being a revolutionary is Bob 797 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,040 Dylan? Those 3 storylines, which one 798 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,880 did you find yourself most captivated by regardless of like 799 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,640 the one that you maybe you wanted to see the most? 800 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,840 Like which one do you think worked the most in this movie? 801 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,680 Yeah, well, I think, I mean, for the reasons we just talked 802 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,560 about, the kind of political like aspects of the story kind 803 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,600 of fell flat. And I, I wanted to see more, 804 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,560 especially with Elle Fanning's character and kind of like, and 805 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,280 Bob Dylan in that that sequence. But I think the the love 806 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,480 triangle like really? I think so to me. 807 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,400 It kept me emotionally really like anchored in the movie, 808 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,000 especially towards the end. Are we are we doing doing to say 809 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,880 spoilers? Yeah, Spoilers. 810 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,920 Yeah. But especially towards the end 811 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,720 of the movie where he's like running after Elle Fanning's, 812 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,080 you know, character like at the ferry. 813 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,720 And there's this like sense of and like losing this relatable 814 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:54,200 like or or like whatever is like true to him and his as a person 815 00:38:54,200 --> 00:39:00,760 like aspect that was like really interesting, just emotionally 816 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,960 like to keep me in the story and and I felt like it, it really 817 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,360 like delivered at the end. I believed their relationship, 818 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,360 even though Timmy did such a good job of being so reserved 819 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,960 and kind of like standoffish to the women and purposely being at 820 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,800 arm's length at all times. But I still believed in in the 821 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,080 characters and, and how they were like, attracted to each 822 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,280 other or like, you know, the conversations that they were 823 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,680 having. Even though some pieces felt 824 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,480 written, I was, I guess like I was in the movie, it was 825 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,880 successful in the context of the film. 826 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,960 Yes, they made the gravitational pull of Bob Dylan of this era, 827 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,720 or at least in this fictional movie, like relatable enough 828 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,800 where you kind of buy into the fact that these two like, like 829 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,200 gorgeous, intelligent woman would like still kind of deal 830 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,600 with his BS. Yeah. 831 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,720 And want to be with him to a certain extent. 832 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:51,120 Do it. Yeah. 833 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,920 Yeah. And so the one thing, OK, so my 834 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,640 interpretation of what the goal was with with the love triangle 835 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,560 was to obviously learn more about Bob Dylan as they were 836 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,240 trying to learn more about him. But that Joan Baez, the 837 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:06,160 character Joan Baez in this movie, maybe not in real life. 838 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,680 And Monica Barbaro's performance is supposed to be illustrating 839 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,200 that these are people who have an idea of who Bob Dylan is. 840 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,880 And Joe Baez falls in love with Bob Dylan's writing. 841 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,440 She falls in love with what he represents as a symbol. 842 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,600 And Elle Fanning's character actually wants to know Bobby 843 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,120 like he wants. She wants to know him. 844 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,240 And she might fall. She may have fell in love with 845 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,800 this person. And so the movie is like showing 846 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,920 Dylan at a crossroads of does he want to be a guy or does he want 847 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,320 to be a man? I'm just kidding. 848 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,200 Or dude, I guess, but I think that is what the movie The movie 849 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,080 is positing. Like I. 850 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,440 Think that's true? I didn't even think about like 851 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,440 what their relationships. Representative, Does he want to 852 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,520 live in a? Flat, yeah, it does capture 853 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,120 without fanning tension of what he is kind of like reckoning 854 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,600 with. Yeah, as like how the culture 855 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,880 seeing him verse like that's what I'm saying like when he 856 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,480 finally goes to chase her at the ferry, it is like him like 857 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,480 almost like actively understanding that he might be 858 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,000 letting go of like that piece of him of anyone really like 859 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,320 knowing him. Yeah, yeah. 860 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,360 He brings like a real quiet melancholy to that moment. 861 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,320 Yeah. That I don't think the real life 862 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,280 Bob Dylan seems to like have that, like have access to. 863 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,200 Yeah, just. From always. 864 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,120 Seen it. I like yeah, from from those 865 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,000 documentaries of that specific era. 866 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,080 To be clear, I've never really watched anything 70s on and says 867 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,120 he did some other stuff in the 70s with Bob Dylan, which I'm 868 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,960 excited to check out after this. It'll be feel like a sequel in 869 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,880 my mind because I truly know nothing post civil rights era 870 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,200 about Dylan's like life and like what he did in concerts. 871 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,360 But yeah, I mean, it seems like Xiaomi added a melancholy. 872 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,200 He added something like this is she seems to love, you know how 873 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,920 he had. How does these like I think he 874 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,000 like filters his mind through his music, his folk music and so 875 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,400 on. And Joe Baez seems to like 876 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,120 really love that verse. Like there is this something 877 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,880 about how grounded and normal the Bob Dylan figure actually is 878 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,960 behind the myth that the Elle Fanning character deeply relates 879 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,400 to. I just wish these two characters 880 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,160 were like actually characters and and especially Joe Baez's 881 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,240 character. Like this is a famous star, but 882 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,920 Elle Fanning's character too. Like we learned that she's a 883 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,000 painter. There's a party at her house at 884 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,560 one point. They show her paintings. 885 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,680 There's obviously like these, these attempts that 886 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,120 contextualizing the woman behind the myth, right. 887 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,920 And so the movie doesn't want to be trophy. 888 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,040 It doesn't want to be superficial. 889 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,080 But it almost becomes more obvious that it is superficial 890 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,480 because even when they attempt, you're like, this isn't still 891 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,480 like a developed yeah character. So that's unfortunate. 892 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,560 But it's Elle Fanning, who I've never seen give a bad 893 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,600 performance. Yeah, it's Monica Babaro, who I 894 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,920 don't know much about, but she was one of the the pilots in top 895 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,600 of Maverick, which is why Tom Cruise came to the the screening 896 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,320 and did a picture with Timmy, which I thought was. 897 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,800 Wondering why he was there? Yeah, I asked you if that was 898 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,560 fake. I thought it was AII was like, 899 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,440 wow, it's really getting sadly good. 900 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,320 But no, it was real Tom Cruise and Timothy Chalamet in a 901 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,280 picture. So yeah, like we have we have 902 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,920 the that love triangle that I think is also really compelling. 903 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,600 I don't think it works as I think the hospital stuff works a 904 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,560 little bit less, but ultimately the movie ends kind of going 905 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,880 from that broken love triangle to Bob Dylan making this final 906 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,880 trip before his infamous motorcycle crash that is off 907 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,680 screen in this movie. Meaning you wouldn't even know 908 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,800 it about the crash if you didn't know anything. 909 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,920 About our friend was who really like knows a lot about Bob 910 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,960 Dylan. Was so surprised they didn't put 911 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,600 it in the movie. Well, so I think. 912 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,320 I think they like allude to it obviously like you're. 913 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,880 Saying in my research, it's a controversial subject because I 914 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,280 think the movie posits a little bit it's going into the 915 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,360 conspiracy of like, did Bob Dylan get into as severe an 916 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,440 accident as it was reported in the news? 917 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,920 Because maybe this love triangle and this this going into this 918 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,960 like later latter half of the civil rights era going into a 919 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,560 post 65 next five years is Dylan needing a break of like in terms 920 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,360 of the way that he is molded by the media. 921 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,320 And also considering he's like left these two partners in his 922 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,400 life because apparently he took like a long break from music 923 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,640 after this accident and it was reported that he had like these 924 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,120 major injuries. No idea about, I'm assuming all 925 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,960 that's true, but apparently the move, the reason the movie is 926 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,600 playing into the mystery of that is it just seemed like he needed 927 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,440 a break in that he was. And Woody Guthrie also died like 928 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,120 off screen a little bit after that final meet up in the 929 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,160 hospital. And that might have left an 930 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,760 impact on him considering this was like a very iconic figure to 931 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,560 him that inspired him to come to New York City in the 1st place. 932 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,120 And that's kind of where the the movie movie ends. 933 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,960 We skipped over a lot of stuff. We skipped over a lot of great 934 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,840 music, a lot of great live performances, a lot of a lot of 935 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,680 great Xiaomi. Staring not quite into the lens 936 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,000 of the camera, but right off the lens and doing these little 937 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,160 fate, these subtle facial gestures, like him sort of being 938 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,120 attracted to Johnny Cash doing music or or other moments when 939 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,960 he's alone watching people. Yeah. 940 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,040 Well, I just love the like what Timmy is doing here, obviously, 941 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,000 like it's so much of it is like subtle in terms of his like 942 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,320 inner conflict that he's able to show just through like his 943 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,200 facial expressions. But but yeah. 944 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,320 And the concerts too, even like during while he's performing 945 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,520 like that is really well done. I have like a lot of like 946 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,480 favorite music from Bob Dylan now that I've been listening to 947 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,240 him nonstop for a month. It's really just been like 948 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,440 Kendrick's new album, Bob Dylan, which probably makes no sense to 949 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,360 my algorithms, but it is like the girl from the Northern 950 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,320 country is like one of my favorite songs from him. 951 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,600 And I like the him and Monica Barbara's like rendition of 952 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,080 that. Are we about to do like a top 953 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,680 three? No, I was just going to note 954 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,040 that surprisingly, one song that I've never really seen in the 955 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,280 Bob Dylan soundtrack is the song to Woody, the song that he sings 956 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,880 to Woody Guthrie. It's actually the first song in 957 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,200 the movie I believe, where Chalamet walks into the 958 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,720 hospital, gets kind of jump scared by a custodian, like 959 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,680 mopping the floor, which I noticed on the second watch. 960 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,240 I was like, why? They shoot that so scarily? 961 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,040 And he walks into Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie talking and. 962 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,000 Then he sees that song. And it's a really emotional 963 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,560 scene on rewatch, considering that that's like a father figure 964 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,640 to him in the movie. It presents in that way. 965 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,800 And when you see Woody like hitting the table that he was 966 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,840 happy with, like the performance that he did that, you know, 967 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,680 Bobby just gave to him. I was like, really in I mean, I 968 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,400 just called him Bobby. I feel like I know, you know 969 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,440 what I mean? Like I was like, this is really 970 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,760 this is great stuff. And there's other, you know, 971 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,040 very good songs in this movie that are tense, especially when 972 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,800 Monica Babaro's character and Timothy Shalom's character are 973 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,920 like, you know, starting to be at odds with one another. 974 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,640 And they're they're singing on stage. 975 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,520 You really feel that tension. But yeah. 976 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,400 Do you have any other favorite songs you want to mention or 977 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,040 favorite performances? Not songs because I can't really 978 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,520 remember any like that. Like they're all like pretty 979 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,600 good. And I'm also not a huge like Bob 980 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,720 Dylan fan in terms of like knowing specific names of the 981 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,840 songs, but I think in terms of like the actual performances, 982 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,120 Can we do extra credits? My extra credit is the singing 983 00:46:54,160 --> 00:47:00,640 because I am normally not in on like the kind of performances 984 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,880 that actors give with singing, especially if it's like a really 985 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,480 well known, you know, person. Like even though I'm I'm not a 986 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,520 huge fan of Bob Dylan, I've heard Bob Dylan songs before, 987 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,680 right? And like there's so much kind of 988 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,040 risk within that. But I thought like Timmy did a 989 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,720 great job. So I thought Joan Baez. 990 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,040 Were you surprised Monica Bambaro was the? 991 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:26,680 Bassaro also like amazing vocals and they also did so well doing 992 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,520 duets like I was just. Shocked. 993 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,600 Were you surprised how good Chalmet was? 994 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,760 Because obviously singing, singing was because obviously we 995 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,920 just saw Wonka, right? Like, it feels like two months 996 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,160 ago, but it was almost a year ago now. 997 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,840 Yeah. And it's hard to be the Gene 998 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,400 Wilder performance. But it's just a different 999 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,680 performance, a different movie. The character demands different. 1000 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,760 Roles I was a little, I'm so in on the Gene Wilder performance 1001 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,080 that I really wanted that in this Wonka and it took me a 1002 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,920 minute to like. I saw had. 1003 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,000 To Yeah. I was really impressed what 1004 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,840 Shalom is doing in that movie, just because he's being so 1005 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,520 extra, but he's asked to be so extra and ultimately it's a kids 1006 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,560 film and it made $700 million. Or something. 1007 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:06,800 It was made for kids, right? The Gene Wilder performance I 1008 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,720 think was like a little bit he was doing this like, I mean, 1009 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:11,520 that's it's just a different movie, right? 1010 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,720 So yeah, so I ultimately I take back anything I said previous in 1011 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,720 the pod. I think Tim was good at Wonka. 1012 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,600 I like the times they are changing when I think Monica 1013 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,800 Bobaro's character goes into the basement of a bar because 1014 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,360 everyone's trying to leave Greenwich Village because of the 1015 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,120 Cuban Missile Crisis, I believe. And they think there's going to 1016 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,520 be like a nuclear Holocaust. And they're really speaking to 1017 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,040 that era. They're trying to like put the 1018 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,080 stakes being that there's some, this is like tumultuous time 1019 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,360 politically, but also like globally, not just domestically. 1020 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,160 And I think they get that across. 1021 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,120 But Bob Dylan just goes to like sing people a song responding to 1022 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,080 that era, something that he had already written that we saw him 1023 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,440 starting to write and her sort of falling in love with him, 1024 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,440 taking action in a way, like it was a form of protest. 1025 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,200 He wouldn't even leave. He's like, I'm just going to 1026 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,840 stay here with these people. And I really love that moment. 1027 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,000 And I think it speaks to what you're saying. 1028 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,240 The music's really good, But also these performance, these 1029 00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:09,760 performers are unafraid to fully like make these songs their own. 1030 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,600 Like if you listen to Chalamet singing, they released the album 1031 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,200 on Spotify or, or I think you know, all apps, whatever. 1032 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,600 I recommend listening to it because even if you've already 1033 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,440 seen the film, listen to a back-to-back with Bob Dylan. 1034 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,960 He really does. And so, so does Monica Barre 1035 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,480 with Joan Baez. Really try to add their own 1036 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,960 style to the music. And I do think that's really 1037 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,400 important because I think we're in a terrible landscape of 1038 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,520 biopics where everyone's trying to recreate what a celebrity 1039 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,800 meant to somebody or what they were great at. 1040 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,120 And that might not be the good move. 1041 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,040 That might not be the actual like refreshing move. 1042 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,960 The refreshing move could just be we have a, you know, we have 1043 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,560 these like parasocial relationships with these 1044 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,440 celebrities who are playing these these actors. 1045 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,840 It's because they're like these artists, celebrity figures. 1046 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,320 So why not add your own sensibilities to the role? 1047 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,760 And that might seem kind of basic to listeners, but I do 1048 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,880 think that's a big deal in the landscape of biopics right now, 1049 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,720 which is really tough. And I think they were excellent. 1050 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:03,600 So I totally agree that the musical parts. 1051 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,080 Yeah, well, I just wanted to give it extra credit especially 1052 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,560 too, because, yeah, the the singing could be something that 1053 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,120 the movie would completely like fall apart on. 1054 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,680 If he was so. Much of it if he was bad in 1055 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,920 particular. Yeah, My extra credit is Monica 1056 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,120 Bibaro as Joan Baez. I just thought she was magnetic. 1057 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,400 Like Timmy has a gravitational pull, but so does she. 1058 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,800 And it's really hard because like she doesn't really, she's 1059 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,120 not really giving a huge character. 1060 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,720 She's not giving a lot of screen time. 1061 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,480 But every time she is on screen, like I can't look away. 1062 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,840 Like she has like an iconic face like, and I think that that, you 1063 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,560 know, is going to afford her a lot of opportunities in movies 1064 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,720 like this. Unfortunately, women are not 1065 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,440 given complex roles and like this male dominated industry, 1066 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,320 especially in terms of like so many men writing films like this 1067 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,560 in this space. But I hope that she is given 1068 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,120 more complicated, complex roles because she clearly is going to 1069 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,600 be like on our screen for the foreseeable future just because 1070 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,560 she is such a an interesting person to look at. 1071 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,280 Look at she just looks cinematic. 1072 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,000 And so the fact that she's also a good actor is is awesome. 1073 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,720 Yeah, obviously Tom Cruise knows something. 1074 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:07,960 He literally just came for her and he said that she's going to 1075 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,080 be like a big star. So it's pretty cool. 1076 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,920 She was almost my extra credit so. 1077 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,720 Yeah, yeah. OK. 1078 00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:16,360 That was the extra credits of a complete unknown. 1079 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,520 This is a a new video format on our podcast. 1080 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,680 If you're watching at YouTube, don't forget to like and 1081 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,280 subscribe. No hate comments please, just 1082 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,120 like just observations or you want to clear some things up, 1083 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,440 Yeah. Let us know if you have an 1084 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,080 opinion, that's cool too. Yeah, just nothing. 1085 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,640 Nothing too negative. Everybody is on the end. 1086 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,080 I'm putting the glasses on for the end. 1087 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,640 What else do we have? It's Timothy Chalamet month. 1088 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,800 You can follow our letterbox in the description, but you can 1089 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,360 also follow our Patreon description where we're doing 1090 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,400 Timothy Chalamet month. We have a ranking of Chalamet's 1091 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,360 movies on Letterbox, but we're also covering Little Woman and 1092 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:53,560 what else Call Me by Your Name on Patreon, as well as 1093 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,280 Moonlight, but that's not a Chalamet movie. 1094 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,840 But it's a great film for this month. 1095 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,800 And if you sign up for Patreon right now as a free member, 1096 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,200 you'll have access to Dune Part 1, which is a deep dive we have 1097 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,200 just for exclusive members on Living Plus. 1098 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,520 But you will have access to A4 plus hour deep dive of our 1099 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,960 conversation about one of our favorite film makers, the Neva, 1100 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,160 and one of our favorite actors, Timothy Chalamet, among some 1101 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,120 other great actors. We talk a lot about Oscar 1102 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,200 Isaac's beard. You'll enjoy that conversation. 1103 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,640 So yeah, check us out there. See you guys.