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The Hello, happy holidays and 
welcome to the extra credits of 

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Timothy Chalamet and his newest 
movie, Marty Supreme. 

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I'm Trey. 
And I'm Kelsey. 

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We're back talking about the 
Christmas cinema king himself 

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with Chalamet, who is now 
starred in a film dropping 

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around Christmas time like five 
times in the last five or six 

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years, which is pretty awesome. 
He has Little Woman six years 

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ago. 
Don't look up. 

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Wonka a complete unknown now. 
Marty Supreme and next year Dune

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Part 3. 
Yeah, he is a Christmas boy. 

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I didn't realize until you 
pointed it out. 

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But and then also we talked 
about this a little bit on our 

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Hamnet episode, but you also 
kind of recognize that Paul 

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Meskel is more of our 
Thanksgiving boy. 

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He is, yes, And then Josh 
O'Connor is year round. 

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A lot of maybe too many white 
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Maybe we need to switch it up. 
Marty Supreme is a really good 

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movie. 
Go see it. 

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Yes. 
I highly recommend it. 

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It's great. 
It is. 

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It is great. 
And I've liked thinking about it

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the more we've sat with it over 
the last month. 

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We had a really early critic 
screening, probably the earliest

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screening we've had in a long 
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Yeah. 
It's been a long time in between

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since we last. 
Saw it, it was like 5 weeks ago.

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And so today we're having a 
spoiler deep dive discussion, I 

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would say in about 15 minutes. 
So go to the time stamp if you 

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want to go straight to that 
conversation because at the top 

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here I want to ask you, how are 
you feeling with the Timothy 

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Chalamet Star Power marketing 
campaign right at the top? 

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Well, first I, I do want to say 
before we go into to Timmy, if 

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you are choosing for your like, 
you know, Christmas family 

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movie, you go to the movie 
theaters like you're one of 

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those families. 
If you're choosing between 

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Avatar and Marty Supreme, go see
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Agreed. 
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I mean, see both, but yeah, see 
Supreme, Yeah, yeah. 

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Anyway. 
Clearly, we're not big Avatar 

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people. 
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not we'll cover that movie. 
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like, I think parody, like I 
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be very serious. 
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don't think Avatar fans will 
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Avatar. 
We could do an avatar hater 

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episode. 
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like the the Avatar haters only,
like, we could just put a big 

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disclaimer, like if you like 
Avatar or like I watched Fern 

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Gully growing up also like, 
that's cool. 

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But this is not for this 
episode's not for you. 

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This is only for the haters 
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Avatar is this interesting 
project which we're going to do 

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Titanic on the Patreon this 
month for James Cameron. 

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So we'll be talking about it on 
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So we'll be talking about 
Avatar, I guess a little bit. 

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But I feel like, you know, 
Avatar this like huge movie, you

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know, mega box office hit. 
But like I don't know anyone in 

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my life who like actually likes 
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So it's this confusing 
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obviously people are out there. 
It's become a meme at this point

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about whether or not Avatar has 
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if it doesn't, what does that 
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now? 
What does it say about franchise

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films and IP films? 
And it doesn't say anything 

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good. 
It doesn't say anything good 

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about the the state of movies. 
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fandom is that people protect 
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independent films. 
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look at the budget to what those
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like, yes, they're making $2 
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cost like $500 million. 
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vein that we're about to talk 
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really successful like marketing
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is this is the first time this 
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Cameron. 
Created this technology with his

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bare hands. 
James Cameron invented the light

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bulb. 
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just general audiences and it 
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does. 
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family action movie that feels 
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made in the 90s and 2000s, you 
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Very formulaic story with 
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building. 
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like this generation's like 
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Like it's it's in a similar vein
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So OK, this is Marty Supreme 
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But it's December, these are the
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makes sense to have a 
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But let's talk about Timmy. 
Let's do it. 

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He is channeling like early 
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like pre problematic Shia 
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He's Oh my God. 
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don't know, what I mean by that 
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crashing out, but in a very 
entertaining way. 

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We are kind of unapologetically 
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like we have been since the 
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We're the same age as this guy. 
We've a lot of the same interest

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based on what he said on red 
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We have share similar 
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being theater kids ourselves. 
We grew up in a similar time of 

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being obsessed with pop culture,
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You know, this is kind of a 
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inspired to become an actor by 
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Christian Bale in The Dark 
Knight in 2008 and being. 

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He was also in that IMAX with 
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Yeah, truly. 
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if you will, right. 
And so we're big fans and I know

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he's got his own kind of like 
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So we'll talk about them a 
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But I think it's fair to say 
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right now that only a few actors
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Well, it's kind of wild that he 
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like, I think that most people 
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least, right? 
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Dune specifically because this 
is a sci-fi movie that general 

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audiences like want to see. 
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such a huge like story in our 
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footprint that people want to 
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million. 
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Movie Wonka I was like out on 
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it in terms of like when we were
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movies that were looking at like
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So like that, you know what? 
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Which is a big theme to throw 
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A little bit too much singing 
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But yeah, I think Wonka, you're 
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It is like he was Willy Wonka, 
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So, yeah, I think that he has 
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consciousness, although I don't 
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like, movie circles really tuned
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younger audiences or people who 
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online. 
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a very early time in his career 
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which is like basically Shia 
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other person who has. 
Done this Jennifer Lawrence but.

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start for being a Disney Channel
star, you know, like he has been

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able to be in the general 
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where then he was meaning 
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But it feels like Timmy, like 
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Sort of, yeah. 
He went from like independent 

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sad boy king to then I star in 
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still sort of questioning like, 
well, he's not the most like 

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traditionally masculine like 
protagonist figure as Paula 

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Tradies in the first student 
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symbolic actually of like 
healthy gender conversations 

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with young millennials and 
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Z alike. 
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remember thinking, I was like, I
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he wants to go in. 
I don't know if he'll ever be 

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able to do, like, I'm a stoic 
Prince turned king turned 

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fascist. 
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we're like, oh, fuck. 
He's like, he is. 

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He's ham. 
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Like, he's really great. 
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kind of career trajectory, 
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crash out in real life, which we
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But he just is reminding me of, 
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What kind of everywhere? 
Is like Shia watching all his 

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movies like crying to his 
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Like it feels like that is 
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Chalamet is at right now, doing 
the whole like fake zoom 

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conference. 
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And making all the 
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Zoom conference. 
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OK, So putting aside the big 
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Denzel Washington as like the 
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actors in Hollywood who they 
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as Steven Spielberg or Ridley 
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is rare, if not bigger, right? 
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I think, you know, I was trying 
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compare Shalami's career 
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pop cultural icon. 
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His young rise of going from 
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really reminds you of like a 
Jodie Foster going from Taxi 

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Driver on reminds you of a 
Natalie Portman going from her 

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young career into Star Wars. 
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being a huge. 
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biggest. 
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terms of being a huge comp of a 
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to be an adult star. 
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favorite comp to make with 
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Bale or Leo, just because he 
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Chalamet seems like someone 
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actors who are able to use their
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You know, I guess, Jennifer. 
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herself in the media. 
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Yeah, but I mean, but Jennifer 
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like a bigger personality than 
Emma Stone, right? 

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So like reminds me of what 
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But The thing is, like, there 
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George Clooney. 
There's levels of like masculine

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fame that I don't think will 
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people like Austin Butler trying
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purposely being trying to be 
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But like, I'm not really sure if
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And so like, I think there's 
like a lot of people who do want

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that, but I think they're mostly
in bubbles in America right now.

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Yeah. 
I didn't see the movie with the 

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Olsen sister, Elizabeth Olsen, 
but the Miles Teller, like 

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Callum Turner is kind of an 
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Like I didn't see it, Like I 
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whatever, but like that is an 
example of trying to like 

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reclaim also that type of 
masculinity that you're also 

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talking about with Austin 
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I just, I couldn't find the best
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like, where is Chalamet at right
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Right under 30 years old? 
He's with those names. 

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But I just kept coming back to 
Tom Cruise in Denzel Washington.

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I kept coming back to those two 
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Cruise is a really good. 
I I think those are both those 

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are the peak actors like I, I 
used to argue. 

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Like, I don't know, I I think. 
You're saying like he's not to 

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Denzel, but I'm saying like at 
the age of 30, like if you look 

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at Tom Cruise's career, you look
at Denzel's career, he's in a 

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very similar space right now and
career trajectory victory. 

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The only like worst case 
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Keanu Reeves at this point, 
which is like a a mega star, you

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know what I mean? 
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That's still really impressive, 
but he's just at a place, right?

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like trying to what I want to 
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Reeves. 
OK, That laugh was not like, oh 

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ha ha, he'll become Keanu 
Reeves. 

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Keanu Reeves is a better actor 
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that you brought up like the 
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anymore, like a George Clooney 
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we'll probably talk about on our
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We've. 
Finished that yet? 

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Is kind of like making a comment
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who are like better actors than 
George Clooney, at least in my 

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kind of plays this role who is 
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George Clooney. 
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there like, but that that is 
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But it would be wild to see 
Timmy who is kind of like, it's 

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interesting because we talked 
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We were like, Timmy is such a 
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Where he's like, if I'm going to
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like, star in a movie, why 
wouldn't I do everything in my 

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power to try to like, get people
to go see this movie? 

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Like why wouldn't I like make my
own luck? 

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Yeah, why would I be embarrassed
by this? 

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Or. 
Humble of that, why would I do 

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the bare minimum of the press 
run like and I think we see you 

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know, I think while Tom Cruise 
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the the public awareness and and
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that he is taking up in the in 
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being so online like that is a 
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Timmy. 
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example, that's really 
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huge, you know, heartthrob in 
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Like I, you know, we're going to
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Turned to like bad boy departed.
In the thousands, yeah. 

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But I was like in love with him,
you know, from Titanic. 

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Like obviously a very iconic 
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character. 
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similar to a Catch Me If You Can
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Right. 
That's more Leo. 

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Vibe, which I think we'll 
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we start getting into the movie.
But I think here it's like 

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interesting because Leo, I mean,
social media wasn't there in the

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same way, but I don't think we 
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Like, Leo has had the kind of 
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white guy in Hollywood who 
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himself and actually is like, I 
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There's a privacy. 
Yeah, do the playbook of like, I

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can become a character because 
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that that has to do with him not
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possibly be. 
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probably stars who are men who 
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stupid is what what I absolutely
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I don't want to be silly. 
I don't want to appear. 

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To be the mystery is sexy, and 
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opposed to being like fragile 
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obsessed with 25 year old woman.
And when you started 

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interrogating that, you're like,
you're kind of a creep. 

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And you and you, like, forget 

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about that when you watch their 
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doing like this. 
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Yeah, they're always performing.
And not that they and again, 

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we're not like arguing for 
celebrities. 

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We're not into celebrity 
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We don't need besides Timmy and 
like people of our generation, 

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but because I respect what 
they're doing. 

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But but I'm not saying like, you
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us like all. 
Like I don't I would never read 

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anything that's like, here's all
the details about Leonardo 

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Dicaprio's life and a deep dive 
interview of him. 

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Like I don't care about that. 
I'm just saying that like I 

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think that the whole like Timmy 
press run is so funny one, 

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because he's kind of like 
memeing this idea of celebrity. 

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He's he's aware of it. 
He's also, though, taking it 

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seriously to be like, I'm going 
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the movie theater and see my 
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Why wouldn't I do that? 
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part of that is that when we see
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Timmy's doing, it feels like 
almost how Jennifer Lawrence was

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treated in the media of like, 
you're trying too hard. 

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You're like doing too much kind 
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And it to me, it just feels like
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you know, pop culture news. 
Exactly. 

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Like maybe you people find him 

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annoying, whatever, but I that 
that's fine. 

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But like, it's not like they're 
having their actual criticism 

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about, you know, like white like
boys running Hollywood or like 

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only getting out. 
They're not like, actually 

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having like, interesting 
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Which is a conversation that 
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is sort of starting to 
acknowledge in the press, which 

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I'll bring up a quote he had a 
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important about that, about how 
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he's trying to take advantage of
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And he's trying to go 10,000% 
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better actors than him that he's
friends with her, he meets on a 

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daily basis. 
And he's like, you should have 

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these opportunities. 
Not me. 

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It's because I'm going to have 
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I'm not going to say no, but if 
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going to be so humble about it. 
I'm going to be like, let me 

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like utilize this capital to the
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Let me. 
Stand on the tallest spear in 

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Las Vegas. 
In the world. 

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And make it a ping pong ball. 
I think this, the kind of 

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divisiveness around Timothy 
Chalamet started at the Golden 

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Globes with that speech that 
I'm, I think you're right. 

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I'm in pursuit of greatness. 
I want to be like Michael 

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Jordan, Viola Davis, Daniel Day 
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I want to be one of the greats. 
And when he said that and it was

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like, I want to be one of the 
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The reason that resonated for 
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audiences who are interested in 
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critics or just regular people 
who saw that, you know, clip hit

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TikTok or YouTube Shorts, 
whatever. 

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The reason that hit is because 
he, in that acknowledgement of 

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wanting to be good at something 
or great at something, he kind 

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of shed, he shedded that faux 
humble tortured artist stuff 

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that just does not work anymore.
It doesn't work for young people

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in particular. 
Everyone knows that Hollywood 

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artists are millionaires. 
They're fucking millionaires. 

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They make so much money. 
They, you know, the, the 

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obviously the top 1% are 
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And so the faces that we see all
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theaters, these people are not 
the ones calling for success. 

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So when they talk about that, 
they are those independent 

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artists that are calling for 
success. 

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We can all sense the bullshit. 
And it feels like we're watching

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The Capital and The Hunger 
Games. 

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And so Timothy Chalamet. 
On Patreon, which is, but it's a

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great comparison, yeah. 
Ironically, even though he's 

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like, you know, dating a Jenner,
Kardashian, whatever. 

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What's her name again? 
Kylie. 

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Jenner, Kylie Jenner. 
And ironically, because he like 

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dresses like Kanye on red 
carpets and does like fashion 

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shows, Timothy Chalamet does 
seem like like he's a part of 

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the capital capital, but very 
critical of it. 

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So there's like a meta 
relationship that a lot of his 

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fans have to his success. 
And I think he has to his own 

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success. 
And I think because it was so 

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refreshing to hear a successful 
celebrity and actor like him say

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that about being like, yes, I'm 
going this hard and maybe this 

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is my only moment because these 
are projects I care about that I

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think are important was really 
cool. 

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And it's really cool because it 
seems like somebody's like 

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Hollywood is a capitalist 
machine. 

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And it's not just a bunch of us 
like independent artists working

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like we're all we're all not 
Kelly Reichardt here, right? 

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And sometimes these people act 
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And so it's fucking. 
Frustrating to hear that, 

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especially when we like hear 
about actors or like every, you 

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know, major director commentary,
which are all like white men and

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like, yes, like we love some of 
them, but like is all framed on 

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and they're like where they 
started, you know, like talking 

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about like when they grew up, 
like framing them as if it's 

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like this meritocracy story that
becomes really like tired for I 

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think, you know, most people who
are really keyed into movies 

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like have an awareness of like 
the business of of Hollywood. 

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I however, in saying all that, I
do think the marketing for Marty

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Supreme is testing the limits of
like how much Chalamet people 

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can have in their lives. 
It's been a heavy press run and 

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I mean it works ultimately 
because. 

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We're not even, we're not even 
at like prime Oscar time, OK? 

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We're not. 
It's. 

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Going to get crazier. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, the movie press is over,
but in terms of Chalamet talking

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about wanting to be great, 
that's going to continue because

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he's doing a bit sort of. 
And I think one of the reasons 

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that the press run hasn't irked 
me really at all is because he's

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so he's such a talented 
entertainer. 

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He's just so entertaining to 
watch and or listen to. 

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Even if he sounds pretentious, 
you're just like he has a, there

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is a Kanye sensibility of like, 
I'm just talking my shit and 

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just saying things that feel 
like out of nowhere, out of left

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field, but somehow he kind of 
forms it all and makes it makes 

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it make sense. 
Not saying Kanye does that 

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anymore, but like a a sort of 
pre Trump Kanye, if you will. 

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But for Timmy, he keeps 
switching up his persona and his

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vibe. 
So it feels like we're getting a

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new version of him. 
It feels like there's a second 

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performance to all of his Movies
Now, if that makes sense. 

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Like every new press run when he
was doing. 

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You know, the press for Dune 4 
or five years ago and him and 

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Zendaya were on the, you know, 
those, those cool front pages of

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those magazines of those, those 
virtual shots of them in the 

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sand dunes with Austin Butler. 
It was really cool for the Dune 

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press cycle. 
And he was in interviews 

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sounding like all poetic and 
like King like because he's this

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young Prince and dude, he's like
the new Luke Skywalker to then 

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going to Bob Dylan where he 
sounds very soulful and like 

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enigmatic, like Bob Dylan, 
right. 

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And he's dressing up like him on
the red carpet. 

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He's walking around with guitars
and shit like he's being very 

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but he's also like doing 
Beyblade shit on red carpets. 

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He's doing he's doing the Soulja
Boy with Brittany Broski. 

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He's going on Theo Von's podcast
being like, I just heard about 

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you yesterday. 
It's very strange decision to 

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make, but he's like he's, he's 
performing like how we're just 

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sing with Leo, but he's 
performing to get people to go 

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to theaters rather than 
performing to protect something 

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about himself. 
Well, I feel like the Bob. 

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Dylan way more admirable. 
Yeah. 

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And the Bob Dylan actually 
pressed on is like where this. 

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Yeah, where this started, where 
you're talking about the the 

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specific speech that maybe 
turned older critics also off of

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like, who does this kid think he
is? 

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Like, you don't just like, say 
you want to be great and you 

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don't just, you know, put 
yourself out there like that. 

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You kind of like should play the
game in a certain way also. 

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I mean, I think yes, it's cool. 
I I also did think it was 

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cringy. 
Like, I know we didn't feel the 

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same way about the speech, but 
that's fine. 

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Like. 
The Golden Globes. 

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Speech, like I thought it was 
cool, but it's just a lot to, 

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like, put yourself in the same, 
like, breath as a lot of people.

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00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,360
It's whatever, yeah. 
It's cringey to be like overly 

446
00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,600
humble, if that makes sense, 
when you're super successful, 

447
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,320
because it feels condescending 
to the rest of us, if that makes

448
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,560
sense, because we can see your 
success and we see your money 

449
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,920
and we see your clout. 
And to not acknowledge it feels 

450
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,720
like you're slapping us in the 
face a little bit when you look.

451
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,200
Because I mean, America is such 
a capitalist machinery of like 

452
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,440
celebrities anyways, from 
business leaders to like 

453
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,240
Hollywood. 
So when you see people be like, 

454
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,400
my roots were really hard to 
like, shut the fuck up. 

455
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,080
You make like 10s of millions of
dollars a year. 

456
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,800
And so for Timmy, it was kind of
nice to hear someone go, this 

457
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,600
industry is kind of fucked. 
And there's a reason I'm doing 

458
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,520
the movies I'm doing. 
And this theme speak for 

459
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:24,840
themselves. 
Like I don't talk a lot about 

460
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,480
politics, but the politics are 
in my movies. 

461
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,200
I made a movie about drug 
addiction in America. 

462
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,520
I made a movie about a coming of
age journey for a young queer 

463
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,120
child turning into a man. 
I made AI made a movie about 

464
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,360
colonial and Messiah myths and 
Dune. 

465
00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:39,160
Like he he's making movies about
big ideas like the end of the, 

466
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,640
you know, the beginning of a 
certain independent era of 

467
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,400
music, but also the end of music
in some ways in the Bob Dylan 

468
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,280
film. 
And so like he's doing movies 

469
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,480
like the greatest of ambitious 
of ideas for people on his age 

470
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,880
especially. 
And so to hear him talk a shit 

471
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,760
about that was like was 
validating, I think to a lot of 

472
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,240
people of our age who are 
working really hard to make sure

473
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,320
that we don't like, I guess 
suffer the same consequences our

474
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,320
parents did coming up from like 
a recession generation of like 

475
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,200
the financial crisis. 
I do think that has like a part 

476
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,800
to play in like our our 
psychology as like whatever our 

477
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,520
generation is like the in 
between Gen. 

478
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,400
Z and Millennial, Yeah. 
I mean, but that's. 

479
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,640
Why I liked it? 
Yeah, I think it is interesting 

480
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,760
of this idea of like, you know, 
a different generation being 

481
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,240
like wait your turn mentality. 
Yeah, fuck that. 

482
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,720
That's. 
Crazy and which I think like 

483
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,560
Timmy kind of yes, like in in 
the same sense even though I 

484
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,520
thought it was cringy like in 
the same I guess like way. 

485
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,360
I also was like, Oh, yeah, like,
that's cool that he is just, 

486
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,800
like saying it. 
But I think that with the Bob 

487
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,600
Dylan like whole press run, it 
was obviously the kind of start 

488
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,200
of this. 
But I kind of really saw that as

489
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,600
like, he's trying to go get a 
younger audience who maybe isn't

490
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,880
as connected to Dylan to go see 
Bob Dylan on Christmas now, you 

491
00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,880
know? 
Yeah. 

492
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,880
Now I wonder if there's like a 
fatigue because it was just last

493
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,400
year that we had this huge 
Tiffany Shallopet press run the 

494
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,640
whole Oscar, like, you know, 
everyone, you know, looking at 

495
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,920
him versus Brody kind of being 
disappointed when he he didn't 

496
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,200
win because he really thought he
was going to and kind of like 

497
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,840
feeling that disappointment with
him. 

498
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,400
And then now though it feels 
like turned, the dial is turned.

499
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,120
Up Well, now he's entered a 
manosphere of like of podcasts 

500
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:34,920
and interviews. 
I didn't realize that. 

501
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,760
Well, we can get into that now, 
I think, but but just kind of 

502
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,600
end our bit about this. 
Like the reason why people have 

503
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,040
liked Timothy Chalamet since the
beginning is that he is like 

504
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,760
unabashedly himself. 
So like he is a theater kid 

505
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,880
who's a little strange and like 
that's pretty cool. 

506
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,480
And those videos of him like 
selling like modded Xbox 

507
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,240
controllers like that all 
connects with him doing the like

508
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,800
the rap skit on SNL with Pete 
Davidson, you know what I mean? 

509
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,280
Like five years ago, which it's 
been like almost five years now.

510
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,520
So like he has always, he just 
feels like he understands 

511
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,560
attention, He understands click 
bait. 

512
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,000
He like is a part of that 
content creation economy. 

513
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,760
He's a part of that generation. 
And so like, I don't know, I 

514
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,320
think there's something that's 
resonating that that is 

515
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,760
transcending, like, I guess 
being super tired of him. 

516
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,360
But we can talk about, yeah, we 
can talk about Marty Supreme in 

517
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,280
the marketing, because it's been
pretty crazy. 

518
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,680
Yeah, I mean, especially with 
the jackets, like I think that's

519
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,000
the number one trying to get all
these different people who would

520
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,040
traditionally go to a sports 
movie, like getting everyone 

521
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720
who's in the the best in their 
field to to wear the. 

522
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,240
So, yeah, do you want to set 
that up for people who might not

523
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,120
know about the Marty Supreme 
jackets? 

524
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:45,080
Selling this movie as a sports 
thriller and then now coming out

525
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,360
of it being like this is far 
more of a character study. 

526
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,840
And these jackets feel more 
satirical, even though they look

527
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,960
cool than like, I guess real, if
that makes sense. 

528
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,440
So he's been giving sports 
jackets to like, some of the 

529
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,920
best people in their fields, 
right? 

530
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,480
Or at least in pop culture. 
Right. 

531
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,680
Just recently the the biggest 
surprise I think was seeing 

532
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,160
Steph wearing the. 
Steph Curry wearing the Marty 

533
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,160
Spring jacket. 
Which I think Tom Brady, I was 

534
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,440
like, how did he get like? 
I understand Tom Brady because 

535
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,560
like he needs like social media 
sure presence. 

536
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,400
Yeah, he's got a YouTube 
channel. 

537
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,560
He's doing his stuff. 
Yeah, he's trying. 

538
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,920
To rebuild back feels like he's 
long his way back. 

539
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,320
Yeah, but to have like some 
making Tom? 

540
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,320
Brady great again. 
Yeah. 

541
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,440
Yeah, exactly. 
To have someone like Steph, 

542
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,840
though, wear the jacket is like,
Oh my God, I I just can't 

543
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,360
believe he did this or like made
this happen. 

544
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:38,920
But the next, you know, reel of 
Aisha, like shared the the photo

545
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,920
of stuff. 
The next photo, you know, that 

546
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,280
she had posted in that same post
was Riley, their oldest 

547
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,720
daughter, who like, I think a 
lot of people know just because 

548
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,200
when Steph was like getting so 
famous, like she was so young at

549
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,160
all the press conferences, but 
was doing the SNL, like the 

550
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:56,880
skirt. 
Yeah. 

551
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,080
With Pete Davidson reenacted. 
And we were like, maybe this is 

552
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,080
a situation where like, she is 
absolutely. 

553
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,840
You know, she loves Timothy 
Chalamet. 

554
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,720
And so it was like a favor there
because I was like, how else did

555
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,960
they do that, right? 
Yeah, well, so there was Bill 

556
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,640
Nye. 
There was a lot of people who 

557
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,920
got sent the jacket anyway, So 
the Marty's Supreme jacket looks

558
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,600
cool, right? 
He's been wearing it, right? 

559
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,560
He's been doing his own, like 
trailers. 

560
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,440
He he came out with his own 
trailer on his Instagram months 

561
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,040
ago. 
It sounds like we're chronically

562
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,200
online, and I don't think we 
are, but like I. 

563
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,800
Also think we're just like 
subscribe to the Timothy 

564
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,760
Shalomay algorithm. 
Well also I think people are 

565
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,040
naive if they just think that 
people who love Timothy Shalomay

566
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,680
are chronically online. 
I think he's way bigger than 

567
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,080
people realize at this point. 
Like he is the Luke Skywalker of

568
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,800
this generation. 
He's the Katniss Everdeen. 

569
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,680
Like he is like that famous. 
And so it's kind of weird to not

570
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,680
see that in the moment. 
But again, I guess we grew up 

571
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,680
with the that's. 
Like Hemens and day, right like.

572
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,600
He's. 
Yeah. 

573
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,360
I mean, Hemens and Day are the 
two celebrities of our 

574
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,400
generation. 
Yeah, the two major ones. 

575
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,880
But he came out with his own 
trailer for his shaved head 

576
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,720
because he got rid of the locks,
which is a big deal. 

577
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,560
So I think he lost some of the 
fandom there. 

578
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,680
A lot of the Ladybird fandom, a 
lot of the, you know, call me by

579
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,520
your name, like, I think that 
was a big deal. 

580
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,000
I'm sure he'll come back to 
that. 

581
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,040
I can't imagine. 
I mean, the first year that we 

582
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:19,120
were teaching, you know, like I 
remember my students being 

583
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,920
obsessed with Call Me By Your 
Name and obsessed with. 

584
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,080
Timmy me too, my first year 
teaching 2017 ish. 

585
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,320
Yeah. 
So I mean, that is also 

586
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,840
interesting because, you know, 
Timmy's huge with the generation

587
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,240
who's now like in their 20s. 
That's my point by Wonka because

588
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,320
like he probably has some of 
those kids like so because the 

589
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,920
second one's coming out with a 
year or two. 

590
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,600
So like he's doing a Wonka 
franchise in addition Dune 

591
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,640
franchise in addition to doing 
like a bank heist movie next 

592
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,480
year. 
So like he's he's everywhere, 

593
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,120
right? 
But he did a trailer for his his

594
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,920
shaved ass head, his bald ass 
head. 

595
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,680
And I'm pretty sure he paid the 
Dune DP Greg Frazier to shoot 

596
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,240
that. 
Does it show like the the 

597
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,560
shaving of the head like does 
it? 

598
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,280
Show No, he just like, I think 
he takes off. 

599
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,480
Everybody's got the Dragon Ball 
Z ping pong balls on their head.

600
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,720
They remind me of the Dragon 
Ball Z orbs, which also feels 

601
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,280
very millennial. 
And so he takes everyone's got 

602
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,320
one on in this video and then 
somebody takes one off and it's 

603
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,120
him, but he's got a shaved head.
I'm pretty sure it's what 

604
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,720
happened. 
It was months ago this came out.

605
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,080
So there was that. 
And then about like 3 or 4 weeks

606
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,920
ago, he directed and wrote an 
A-24 Zoom sketch with the 

607
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,320
marketing team for Marty 
Supreme. 

608
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,840
I did see this, yeah. 
And it's like a 25 minute video.

609
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,840
I didn't watch it all. 
I did not watch it all either. 

610
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,720
But it is like hilarious. 
Even if it's overstays its 

611
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,320
welcome, it's basically 25 
minutes of bits that then got 

612
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,960
like kind of clipped and then 
put on social media where he is 

613
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,200
showing his screen to the Marty 
Supreme like press group. 

614
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,840
And it's like the Golden Globes 
accept like acceptance speech is

615
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,920
the main picture on his monitor.
And he's got like folders of 

616
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,240
marketing ideas from Marty 
Supreme, and he's just kind of 

617
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,240
losing his mind. 
It's like particular shades of 

618
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,320
orange, yeah. 
It feels like somebody doing a 

619
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,240
Shia LaBeouf bit, if that makes 
sense. 

620
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,640
Which is why I brought up 
LaBeouf at the beginning, which 

621
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,880
is awesome and very funny. 
And and then some people online 

622
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,240
took it as like a cringe attempt
at like, I guess vulnerable 

623
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,240
marketing, like he was being 
himself. 

624
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,200
And like, so if you watch those 
videos, like I recommend 

625
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,360
checking them out on TikTok or 
YouTube and reading the 

626
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,880
comments, like half the comments
are confused about it being like

627
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,920
parody. 
So like, that's interesting, but

628
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,840
it worked because it that went 
viral. 

629
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,720
Apparently he's paying for all 
this out of his own pocket. 

630
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,600
By the way, going back to 
Kelsey's point. 

631
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,280
So like, he brought this up in 
an interview recently where he's

632
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,440
like spending an obscene amount 
of money and all these marketing

633
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,080
campaigns really calling a shot 
because I'm assuming that that's

634
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,920
not showing up in the Marty 
Supreme marketing or budget. 

635
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,800
Well, that's yeah, that's like 
kind of what we're saying. 

636
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,560
Like I, I respect the idea of 
like him betting on himself. 

637
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,240
I don't know what the manos. 
Very Marty Supreme of him. 

638
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,320
OK. 
So I'll get to that next. 

639
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,320
Maybe has a different. 
Well, he's going on some like 

640
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,600
wrestler podcast. 
I think the Theo Von stuff 

641
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,000
counts. 
But like he there was also like 

642
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,240
Drewski, like he's going on like
he's going on podcast where they

643
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,960
might be selling testosterone 
around medication. 

644
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,720
You know what I mean? 
Like he's going on podcast and 

645
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,520
that's a joke. 
But like where they might be 

646
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,000
advertising to like, you know, 
16 year old young boys who are 

647
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,200
very fragile and insecure, you 
know, But it's also good that 

648
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,320
he's going on there to a certain
extent. 

649
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,440
Not to make this like a 
masculinity studies 

650
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,120
conversation, but a lot of Marty
Supreme is like a subversive 

651
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,800
film because it's bringing in an
audience hoping to watch a Wolf 

652
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,960
of Wall Street like Striver, 
only to like watch that same 

653
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,680
character go through a real fall
and it be about like kind of the

654
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,120
consequence of being a striver 
who doesn't care about who they 

655
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,160
affect along the way, which is 
very relevant. 

656
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,580
And so like, even though I've 
seen Charlamagne's like quote UN

657
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:48,600
quote, Jake Paul kind of circles
in like podcast, he's also going

658
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,960
on like athlete podcast tours, 
which is really interesting. 

659
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,240
Like he went on Carmelo 
Anthony's podcast, which I 

660
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,760
listened to, which was awesome. 
He went on Anthony Edwards show 

661
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,960
a few months ago or a month ago 
on the Carmelo pod. 

662
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,040
It was actually like really 
awesome. 

663
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,080
I recommend listening to that 
because Melo said something 

664
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,960
beautiful to him where Chalamet 
was like downplaying himself to 

665
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,000
Mellow in comparison to athletes
and what athletes meant to him 

666
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,200
growing up. 
And like his heroes were actors,

667
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,120
but they were first and foremost
athletes. 

668
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,720
And so Mellow was like one of 
his favorite players because 

669
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,320
Shalom is a, you know, a famous 
Knick fan. 

670
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,800
And there was like that was also
a big part of the press run with

671
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,960
like Bob Dylan because he was 
like sitting in the crowd with 

672
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,000
Spike Lee and Spike Lee's like 
I'm going to get Timmy my next 

673
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,160
movie. 
That was pretty cool, but 

674
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,520
Chalamet was saying like how he 
struggles with like knowing if 

675
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,560
he's successful in acting 
because with athletes he's a 

676
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,760
little bit jealous of how 
objective your success. 

677
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,720
Is there's like stats? 
Right stats and how he was 

678
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,000
saying that like acting is so 
subjective. 

679
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,400
He's like, some people think I'm
great at acting, some people 

680
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,600
think I'm trash and like, I just
like have good looks or got 

681
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,680
lucky, whatever. 
And he was like, that's the 

682
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,520
problem with art. 
But also it makes it so 

683
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,480
interesting is that it is so 
subjective and mellow, like push

684
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,960
back. 
He like went full into dad mode 

685
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,840
and was like, fuck that. 
The reason why athletes love 

686
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,320
movies and the reason why people
like you and how real you are in

687
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,040
your movies is because a lot of 
athletes get to express 

688
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,840
themselves only through sports 
that are often very competitive 

689
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,360
or violent. 
And like, it's really nice to 

690
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,880
see people like you were super 
successful, make a lot of money.

691
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,200
Are celebrities who are 
expressing themselves in 

692
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,520
vulnerable ways where we can't 
do the same thing and you're 

693
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,040
making money? 
Yeah, like our audience won't 

694
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,200
accept the the same. 
Exactly. 

695
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,800
And so he was like, what you're 
doing is actually pretty deep. 

696
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,320
And it's giving everybody else a
language for how to express 

697
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,120
themselves. 
It's different than just sports.

698
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,680
And I thought it was like, you 
could see Chalmay not know 

699
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,840
totally how to respond to that 
because he didn't want to 

700
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,920
continue downplaying himself, 
but he also appreciated the 

701
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,680
compliment. 
And I was like, damn, that was 

702
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,360
like, really. 
Like that's the kind of shit 

703
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,840
where I'm happy that Chalmay is 
deciding to do a little bit of a

704
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,520
detour in terms of like the 
normal press cycle and not just 

705
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,000
be like, I'm going on hot ones 
and I'm going to eat 10 wings 

706
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,760
and talk about my weird 
childhood and like selling Xbox 

707
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,040
controllers like. 
All these different things Sean 

708
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,400
found out about me on the 
Internet. 

709
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,880
It is pretty cool that he's 
going on the shows and also 

710
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,880
being somebody who is a white 
guy who like like likes rap 

711
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,239
music in that world, likes 
basketball, does a little AAVE 

712
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,400
sometimes where you kind of 
like, Oh no, like what are you 

713
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,400
doing in your Chalamet? 
He's also putting on like black 

714
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,000
content creators, which is 
pretty cool. 

715
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,560
So like that's, that's also part
of it too. 

716
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,960
But like I, I really appreciate 
this press run. 

717
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,400
There's a lot more Marty Sprigg 
stuff we can talk about, but I 

718
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,400
really appreciate this press run
because you can tell these 

719
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,360
detours were like he chose to do
these. 

720
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,520
It wasn't like there's a manager
behind the scenes being like, 

721
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,719
you should go on Carmelo's 
podcast, you know what I mean? 

722
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,000
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, I think it's interesting

723
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,920
because, you know, I, I 
criticize the, the kind of like 

724
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,719
speech of greatness or whatever,
standing as greatness. 

725
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,080
But at the same time, like if 
he's on a podcast with someone 

726
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,120
who is the best in their field, 
you know, he's not like doing 

727
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,560
the same thing. 
He's not being like this cocky 

728
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,960
kind of like personality, like 
maybe he's self deprecating 

729
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,280
because he's aware of that in 
this particular like situation 

730
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,760
in that conversation. 
But at the same time, it's not 

731
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,320
like he is matching the persona 
that he's kind of being playful 

732
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:14,520
with and his in his social media
kind of like press runs for the 

733
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,560
movie. 
So I think like that's 

734
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,440
interesting because I I think 
people are are getting a sense 

735
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,760
that he is getting ahead of 
himself kind of thing. 

736
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,960
But I don't really get that when
it's actually just him talking. 

737
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,920
Yeah, well, it's also 
interesting. 

738
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,400
I haven't listened to all those 
conversations though. 

739
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,680
He talked about how like in the 
arts are not allowed to be cocky

740
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,600
and he brought Kobe is the 
example of like how he struggles

741
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,520
with that because it Kobe was 
like one of his favorite players

742
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,960
growing up and how Kobe treated 
himself on the court as like a 

743
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,120
real leader and like led by his 
actions, right and got to 

744
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,040
practice first left last, you 
know, kind of like just he was 

745
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,720
just so present, ever present, 
even when he made all the money 

746
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,960
in the world and he was like, I 
want to be like that as an 

747
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,520
actor. 
He's like, but the tough thing 

748
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,120
is like you listen to Kobe 
Bryant stories in practice and 

749
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,200
he's kind of an asshole. 
Like you were, he was kind of an

750
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,640
asshole and like asked Jeremy 
Lin if Kobe Bryant was an 

751
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,240
asshole. 
Like that's what Xiaomi was 

752
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,680
saying on Mello's pod. 
He was like, so as an artist, 

753
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,400
the tough thing is like, I don't
really get to be an asshole. 

754
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,720
So I do still have to like act 
humble even when I'm like, I am,

755
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,720
you know, like I'm going to call
myself out or call my own shot 

756
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,000
being like I'm the best or the 
greatest. 

757
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,360
Yeah, I don't know that we need 
that that particular. 

758
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,600
I'm not saying that that sports 
cocky kind of like personality 

759
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,760
is helpful in any field in 
particular. 

760
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,520
I just thought it was 
interesting in terms of 

761
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:34,160
reframing, I don't know, just, I
guess film criticism and the 

762
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,880
Oscars and trying to get away 
from this kind of like what I 

763
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,080
think is like an elitist, like 
very, very white way of 

764
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,120
presenting yourself as if like 
all of your success comes from 

765
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,520
like your tough roots and you're
going to be humble about all of 

766
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,680
your. 
Success worked harder than 

767
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:48,720
everyone else. 
It's deeply. 

768
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,720
White and I and I guess my point
to this like long kind of like 

769
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:54,120
monologue about him going on 
Mellow's pot or like going on 

770
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,480
black creators podcast and stuff
like this too. 

771
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,720
I do think a big part, a 
consequence of what is doing is 

772
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,440
that he might not be rewarded at
the Oscars, ironically because 

773
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,960
of what's happening. 
Like being a fool. 

774
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,880
Sort of like idea from old. 
Or he's not. 

775
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,120
Or he's not playing into 
traditional white expectations 

776
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,600
of how you're supposed to act. 
You're supposed to uphold like 

777
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,280
the the meritocracy. 
Exactly. 

778
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,000
You worked your way to stardom 
and yeah, through your craft. 

779
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,040
And so that's going to be a big 
part of this conversation about 

780
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,200
two months time. 
Yeah. 

781
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,840
Well, OK, unless we have more to
say though about. 

782
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,040
The Blimp. 
Oh, the blimp. 

783
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,720
OK. 
The blimp flying over LA. 

784
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:33,680
Well, then before we do that 
though, I just want to say like 

785
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,640
when we get into Marty Supreme, 
it's actually I have to, I'll 

786
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,280
have to like, I don't think I'll
watch. 

787
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,560
I was going to say I'll have to 
watch the the podcast where he 

788
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:48,280
is going on that are more 
targeted towards like a 

789
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,880
demographic or or like 
population of men who are in 

790
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,240
this like manosphere algorithm, 
because I don't want to like 

791
00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:02,880
obviously we don't like stamp 
any like celebrity fully or just

792
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,480
like. 
No, he, he just said some weird 

793
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,480
shit about like people having 
children recently too. 

794
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,920
Like, it's not like everything. 
Yeah. 

795
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,680
It's not like, yeah, we love 
Timmy. 

796
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:11,480
We like. 
Thank you. 

797
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Yeah, it's more of what he's. 
Like, yeah, yeah. 

798
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,000
But I was going to say I, I I 
should listen to those before I 

799
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,320
make my decision. 
I'm not going to listen to 

800
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,080
those. 
But what I'm saying though, is 

801
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,840
it's interesting when you see 
Marty Supreme, we'll talk about 

802
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,120
like the shift of going to see 
the sports movie and what the 

803
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,520
sports movie has traditionally 
represented. 

804
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,800
And so like I do possibly 
depending on what he said in 

805
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,800
those spaces. 
Like I, I think it's interesting

806
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,960
that he is looking at targeting 
those audiences who could 

807
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,600
actually maybe like see some 
toxic parts of themselves in a 

808
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,440
movie like Marty Supreme. 
That is the facade of a sports 

809
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,440
movie and of a side of like what
the the sports movie or 

810
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,160
deconstructing, I think in a lot
of ways what the sports movie 

811
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:03,160
has represented in our culture. 
So that is interesting, but. 

812
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,680
I mean, he's been doing he did 
it with Dune too, when he's 

813
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,800
acting like quote UN quote A 
badass and really he's being a 

814
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,200
fascist. 
And so like he he's good at like

815
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,680
presenting what like white 
audiences want from him to like 

816
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,920
uphold while also like being 
critical of the portrait that 

817
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,840
he's, you know, exploring of a 
character. 

818
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,920
So he had the SD Kid remix. 
He rapped. 

819
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,200
He did. 
And we've heard Timmy Tim before

820
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,600
we have and their videos online,
you know, like So what did you 

821
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,480
do? 
You have no comment on this. 

822
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,320
I Were you surprised? 
I was. 

823
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,880
He did the funniest thing 
possible. 

824
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,520
He did this. 
This is a chronically online 

825
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,200
thing you have to actually know.
It's definitely true. 

826
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,560
You did the funniest thing 
possible. 

827
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,240
I, I think the whole, you know, 
idea of like all will be 

828
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,000
revealed was a very funny kind 
of foreshadowing. 

829
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,560
And all these press runs, if you
are not on as online as us, 

830
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:57,960
there is a British rapper who 
has an eye, whatever you call 

831
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,320
this area of the eyes, like 
eyebrow to to nose. 

832
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,960
Anyway, they're showing the 
eyes. 

833
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,040
His face is covered. 
He looks like Timothy Shalaman. 

834
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,240
And so everyone's asking like, 
is are you to me? 

835
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,000
Are you this guy? 
I don't. 

836
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,320
Know the he has a hidden 
identity. 

837
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,920
Nobody really knows who he is. 
And so people were like, is this

838
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,440
Timothy Shalaman? 
It's been a joke for like a 

839
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,120
year. 
Yeah. 

840
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,000
So anyway, I think it was really
funny. 

841
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,240
I don't I don't think Timmy's a 
great rapper. 

842
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,320
I don't think that's what he was
like trying to do. 

843
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,920
Yeah, the lyrics were really 
bad. 

844
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,440
The rhythm was pretty good 
considering he's not a rapper. 

845
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,200
Like I was like OK but it. 
Didn't feel like though he was 

846
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,160
making fun of rap music as an 
art either though, like. 

847
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,960
No, I don't think he's he's not 
making. 

848
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,760
It's more of like trying his 
best to get audiences and who he

849
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,520
thinks could benefit the most 
from supporting the arts. 

850
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,320
To me, like the arts is in like 
this medium of the arts. 

851
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,360
So like film and television, 
maybe theatre, right? 

852
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,400
Like he's trying to get people 
in the performing arts 

853
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,160
basically. 
Like that's, I think that's 

854
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,120
Smitty Chalamet's mission. 
He's a fucking theatre kid. 

855
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,160
We all connect over creativity. 
I think that's what he's doing. 

856
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,120
Yeah, I mean that's kind of his 
thing. 

857
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,680
I mean he says Marty Supreme 
like 10 times in his like 2 

858
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,640
verses on that song, right? 
Like so it's or one verse. 

859
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,640
So did he embarrass himself? 
Probably. 

860
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,320
But again, going back to 
Kelsey's point, that's been kind

861
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,480
of the whole the whole thing. 
And then last night he did the 

862
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,520
Vegas bubble, the big orange 
ball in Vegas. 

863
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,680
I was I wasn't really familiar 
with, but it was kind of 

864
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,320
legendary to watch him up there 
with the camera. 

865
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,760
I recommend looking on YouTube 
or looking on Instagram. 

866
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,480
Check his Instagram. 
Well, I think both the the blimp

867
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:39,560
and the massive sphere ping pong
ball, like the extended humor, I

868
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,560
think does it for me. 
Like I like extended humor. 

869
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,360
So the continuous like woo. 
Yes. 

870
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,600
Yeah, I have the cameras panning
away like making something that 

871
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,640
is either like as silly as like 
a blimp, which I think you had 

872
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,080
said the orange blimp, like 
Nickelodeon has a lot of. 

873
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,040
Yeah, there's a lot of 
iconography. 

874
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,720
He's playing with Dragon Ball Z 
Nickelodeon. 

875
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,960
For our generation, but this 
like being on top of this 

876
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,360
massive structure, it's like, 
OK, and he's like, there was a 

877
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,360
news story that came out 
immediately after it this 

878
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,320
morning that was like, he's the 
first person to ever stand on 

879
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,640
top of this. 
Like OK, like, but the panning 

880
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,560
out of something that's supposed
to be. 

881
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,800
And he kind of looks frightened,
yeah. 

882
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,160
Yeah, he does look scared. 
He looks. 

883
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,880
I would also be scared, Yeah, 
but but the continuous like 

884
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,520
cheering. 
Imagine two of these Xiaomi dies

885
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,240
falling off the Marty Supreme. 
Tumble, Yeah. 

886
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,120
Ball. 
OK, he had like a harness on 

887
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,960
that looked like so not cool 
like to. 

888
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,400
He just wants you to know that 
Marty Supreme is coming out 

889
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,200
Christmas Day, just so everybody
knows. 

890
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:52,480
So today we're reviewing Marty 
Supreme, which we can get to 

891
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,800
Now. 
There's some people are saying 

892
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,600
this is Timothy Chalamet's best 
performance yet. 

893
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,560
As for 45 minutes into this 
podcast, I'll probably say that 

894
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,360
I don't know what I'm going to 
call this episode. 

895
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,080
Like the Timothy Chalamet 
marketing campaign plus the 

896
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,800
movie. 
Yeah, this is going to be a 

897
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,720
interesting episode. 
I think we'll debate a little 

898
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,560
bit whether or not this is his 
best performance. 

899
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,400
A lot of our favorite critics 
have said this is easily his 

900
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,560
best performance. 
I would like to push back 

901
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,480
against that a little bit toward
the end. 

902
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,640
I do think it's probably top 
five, but I think we're 

903
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,320
forgetting his last two movies, 
which were Doom Part 2 and A 

904
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,280
Complete Unknown, which he was 
fucking phenomenal in. 

905
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,240
So it's really hard to play Bob 
Dylan. 

906
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,640
Several actors have tried. 
Yeah, the voice. 

907
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,280
Yeah. 
But I think even even if Cate 

908
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,960
Blanchett was great, whatever. 
So I think we'll debate that a 

909
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,160
little bit. 
I think we're going to talk a 

910
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,120
lot about the Safdies and their 
style film making. 

911
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,600
Even though this is one of the 
two Safdies who made this movie.

912
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,920
We just watched The Smashing 
Machine last night. 

913
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,920
Which? 
Is we'll definitely talk about 

914
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,880
that a little bit too it. 
Also happens to be a sports 

915
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,800
film, yes, so we'll definitely 
yeah discuss that. 

916
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,280
We're also unlocking our 
Chalamet catalog on Patreon 

917
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,960
right now for free members. 
Episodes on Call Me by Your 

918
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,480
Name, Little Woman Interstellar,
Dune Part 1, and Dune Part 2 

919
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,000
should all be free right now if 
you sign up as a free member on 

920
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,600
Patreon. 
We have this every. 

921
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,560
We haven't. 
No, he's made. 

922
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,720
Like 25 movies. 
No, we. 

923
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,560
Haven't done well I mean, like 
every major one we haven't done 

924
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,840
Lady Bird or Bones and all Well,
we did Bones and all yeah, we 

925
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,480
talked to the writer yeah, yeah,
but we didn't do that like a. 

926
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,160
There's a few we haven't done, 
right. 

927
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,120
Let me look. 
Hold on. 

928
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,800
We haven't done a beautiful boy 
like you said. 

929
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,040
And don't look up. 
We didn't do Wonka, we didn't do

930
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,240
the King, we didn't do French 
dispatch. 

931
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,440
Don't Look Up and Lady Bird. 
We, no, we did French dispatch, 

932
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,440
did we? 
Yeah, we did a whole like W 

933
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,840
ranking. 
Well, that's different. 

934
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,160
We had conversations on the 
French Dispatch. 

935
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,160
We never, well, I talked a lot 
about French Dispatch on our 

936
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,320
ranking because I have it like 
way higher than you and my Wes 

937
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,160
Anderson movies. 
So maybe that's why I felt. 

938
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,040
Like Astro City should be free 
though on Patreon right now, so 

939
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,200
you'll hear our ranking on 
there. 

940
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,680
So you'll hear us talk a little 
bit about that. 

941
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,920
Anyways, it's Timmy months. 
He's our Christmas boy. 

942
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,520
So all of his movies that we've 
covered, which are like 5 or 6 

943
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,920
films, those are free right now.
For free members on Patreon, 

944
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,160
sign up in the description. 
We don't really, you know, like 

945
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,880
celebrate Christmas, but maybe 
in the way that other people 

946
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:19,240
celebrate Christmas. 
But we are really in a a 

947
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:24,480
Christmas state of mind here, if
you will, because we just got 

948
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,880
back from Costco, Costco, Costco
the day before Christmas Eve. 

949
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:38,080
And so you know, if buying just 
a shit ton of like bread, buying

950
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,320
in bulk. 
Cake. 

951
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,040
Before the holidays, people, 
everyone feels like they're in a

952
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,560
rush. 
An apple pie the size of. 

953
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,480
I don't. 
Know I did get a cheesecake with

954
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,360
a strawberry top. 
Hello and I'm going to be eating

955
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,800
that. 
For weeks, Costco was crazy. 

956
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,240
Yeah, we're not. 
We're not big Christmas people. 

957
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:57,680
We're having family over those. 
So, like, it is, it's a very 

958
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,360
holiday festive time. 
So I hope everybody's having 

959
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,240
enjoying the experience. 
Marty Supreme won battle after 

960
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,240
another back-to-back those 
movies. 

961
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,760
We did if our people also tell 
us in the the comments like what

962
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,360
are you watching with your 
family over like the holiday 

963
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,040
season or like if you celebrate 
Christmas, what are you watching

964
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,560
with your family on Christmas 
Day? 

965
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,480
Like if it's not Christmas 
movies necessarily, I mean, you 

966
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,560
can throw an elf or whatever you
watch home alone. 

967
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,280
But I am curious because we had 
a friend who was like, you know,

968
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,880
we have people usually reach out
to us like I'm with my family or

969
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,360
I have like downtime during 
this, this period of like the 

970
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,920
holidays. 
What should I watch? 

971
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,280
Right? 
We get those texts like all the 

972
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,520
time for recommendations. 
And it's usually like, I'll send

973
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,600
you a letterbox list of like, 
depending on what kind of horror

974
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,200
movies your dad's into or like, 
you know, but specifically we, 

975
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,360
we, I think I've been like 
leaning on and telling people to

976
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,160
watch 1 Battle after another. 
I've been telling people, wake 

977
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,960
up dead, man. 
This is just a very family 

978
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,960
palatable. 
I actually just watch all three.

979
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,240
Yeah. 
Knives Out, Glass Onion. 

980
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:04,440
Wake up dead, man. 
That's fair. 

981
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,520
Yeah. 
Three nights in a row, you're 

982
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,320
done. 
Yeah, but we didn't realize. 

983
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,720
We did tell a friend to, you 
know, check out. 

984
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,880
Oh yeah, tell the story. 
To check out one battle. 

985
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,600
No, yes, thank you. 
And we're like, it's a perfect 

986
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,320
family movie like her. 
Her family will think it's like 

987
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,160
interesting politically, like 
we're good, but we totally 

988
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,720
forgot. 
A strange thing to say, part 

989
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:26,520
family. 
Movie about that film, but it 

990
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,440
was said. 
The first part, I guess with 

991
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,640
like, you know, if you yeah, we 
won't. 

992
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,800
There's no spoilers here, but 
Lockjaw there are some sexual 

993
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,640
scenes in the first part. 
There's like, fetishizing 

994
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,520
scenes. 
Yeah. 

995
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,640
It's a, it's a very, it's PTA 
movie, yeah. 

996
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,960
So we just forgot about that and
we didn't realize it was not 

997
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,680
included that she was watching 
it with her grandfather. 

998
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,560
OK so like I can't be 
responsible if I don't have all 

999
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,040
the information? 
Apparently he was locked in 

1000
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,400
though, so grandfather was hit. 
That was so funny. 

1001
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,040
She was like at one point, but I
was like, I think we can handle 

1002
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,280
it, you know, I think we can, we
can get past this. 

1003
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,560
But after that I was like, just 
get past the scene, you know, 

1004
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,720
and it will be a smooth sailing.
You can hear from that person on

1005
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,040
the Interstellar episode right 
now free on Patreon because they

1006
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,160
were guessing on there with 
James. 

1007
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,400
That's Kira. 
So Marty Supreme ready I am. 

1008
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,760
Spoilers ahead. 
This movie charts the rise and 

1009
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,040
fall of Marty Mauser. 
Speaking of holidays, happy 

1010
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,360
Hanukkah too. 
A Jewish American shoe store 

1011
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:35,240
hustler, Marty Mauser is living 
in post World War 2 Queens who 

1012
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:40,000
discovers fame, sort of or the 
illusion of it through ping pong

1013
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,960
and is less interested to me, I 
think, and what it means to be 

1014
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,000
great than being seen as great. 
By who? 

1015
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,200
A little bit unclear, maybe we 
just by himself and Marty is 

1016
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,160
driven by ego insecurity, 
classic kind of rise and fall 

1017
00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:01,000
masculine despair journey for 
this protagonist and he's very 

1018
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,360
desperate. 
And through the movie it becomes

1019
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,480
increasingly clear that he is 
deranged and delusional. 

1020
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,080
And as the runtime continues it 
gets worse and worse. 

1021
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,680
There are moments of humanity 
for his character, but mostly he

1022
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,800
is just obsessed with being 
successful, whatever that means 

1023
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,720
to him. 
I would say it is a funny, sad 

1024
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:22,720
character study, kind of faking 
it as a sports movie to sell 

1025
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,400
itself, especially in the 
trailers. 

1026
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,320
Really convincingly though. 
Like the sport stuff in here, in

1027
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,280
the cinematography, in the 
staging, in the performances 

1028
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,960
from Chalamet, his physicality 
in this movie, I don't mean that

1029
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,120
by like strength, I mean that by
movement is really impressive, 

1030
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,240
so. 
I totally agree. 

1031
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:46,880
He makes #1 I don't know how 
Josh Safdie made, like, table 

1032
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,080
tennis so exciting in that way. 
It did feel like a sports movie 

1033
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,600
where I was just, like, 
impressed at how locked in I 

1034
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,640
wasn't in the games and how it 
was shot. 

1035
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,200
But physically, yeah, like 
Timmy's doing a great job of 

1036
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,840
like, being an athlete on 
screen. 

1037
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,720
And like he says in a lot of 
interviews, it's him making it 

1038
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,760
look like serious, like he's not
actually this like great table 

1039
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,920
tennis player, but he was like 
practicing. 

1040
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,000
He had table tables like at at 
Dune, you know offset that he 

1041
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,360
practice after. 
He pulled the same thing with 

1042
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,160
the guitar from Bob Dylan. 
He's like, I've been having 

1043
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,080
guitar on set for five or six 
years now. 

1044
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,320
Yeah, yeah. 
I was like, all right. 

1045
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,200
We got it, you prepared for the 
role. 

1046
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,520
Yeah, Timothy Chalamet maybe the
best ping pong player in movie 

1047
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,240
since Tom Hanks and Forrest 
Gump. 

1048
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,840
You know what? 
Yeah. 

1049
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:39,160
Been a long time, but yeah, I I 
would say let's start the 

1050
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,560
conversation. 
I want to talk about tone a lot.

1051
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,960
I want to talk about style of 
filmmaking before we jump into 

1052
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,320
the plot. 
But maybe we'll start the 

1053
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,400
conversation with whether or not
people will be happy with the 

1054
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,040
fact that this is sort of a 
comment on sports films rather 

1055
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,280
than being a sports film itself.
And maybe it's important to 

1056
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,960
start with the fact that, sorry,
this is so such a generational 

1057
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,320
conversation, but like, Zendaya 
and Timothy Chalamet are 

1058
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,200
probably the two biggest 
celebrities around the age of 30

1059
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,440
in the world, if we're not 
counting like upper 30s with 

1060
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,800
like Jay Law and Robert 
Pattinson, who are easily the 

1061
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,560
the two big stars. 
But I would say Zendaya and 

1062
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,280
Chalamet are the the ones, 
right? 

1063
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,280
They're the stars of Dune, but 
they also have like been child 

1064
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,600
stars turned adult stars and now
have like very famous celebrity 

1065
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,280
relationships. 
Zendaya that's true. 

1066
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,200
Engaged to spider man. 
Apparently that's true. 

1067
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,160
Tom Holland. 
And then Xiaomi's got a girl 

1068
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,240
with a billion dollars, as he 
said in his SD kids song, which 

1069
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,320
is actually a hard line to me, 
even though it's very 

1070
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,720
capitalistic. 
OK, so where was I going with 

1071
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,040
that? 
Oh, what do you think it says 

1072
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,200
about both of these two actors 
who star in Dune together as 

1073
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,800
love interest? 
Yeah, who? 

1074
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,480
Both just did sports films. 
You know, Zendaya with 

1075
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Challengers, with the director 
that Timmy knows very well, who 

1076
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,120
put them on next to gritty 
Kerwig, Luca Guadagnino. 

1077
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,000
Didn't they get connected 
because of Timmy? 

1078
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,760
Correct, Luca and Zedea. 
Yes. 

1079
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,000
And now Timmy starring in a 
Safdie movie, who I think he was

1080
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,000
like enamoured by like the 
patents and performance in good 

1081
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,960
time. 
And then obviously Sandler who 

1082
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,040
Chalamet loves and say I love 
Chalamet too. 

1083
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,760
Chalamet from my cut gems. 
What do you think it says about 

1084
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,800
our generation that our two 
sports films of this time of 

1085
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,880
this modern twenty 20s era are 
these like non violent for the 

1086
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,240
most part not. 
What do you want to call? 

1087
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:28,880
Them non contact. 
Non contact. 

1088
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,600
Sports. 
Yeah, with Zendaya, you're 

1089
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,160
right, they both have rackets. 
Yeah. 

1090
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,600
What do you think it is? 
Because I feel like we're past 

1091
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,160
the bravado and deep masculinity
and hyper competitive nature of 

1092
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,960
like the football and basketball
movies of the 2000s and before 

1093
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:46,960
that. 
Does that make sense? 

1094
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:48,840
Totally. 
OK. 

1095
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,480
So yeah, I think that here's the
thing, I think that most 

1096
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,480
audiences will go to see it as a
sports movie on as a Christmas 

1097
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,600
movie. 
And I think that for the most 

1098
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,760
part, to answer the first part 
of your question, they'll be 

1099
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,480
satisfied because it does turn 
into a Catch me if you can 

1100
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,240
movie. 
So there is like a, you know, 

1101
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,800
and that's also, by the way, 
also a Christmas movie. 

1102
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,080
You've done that on Patreon. 
That's true. 

1103
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,640
But something yes, something 
familiar. 

1104
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,280
But you're right, like it's more
of why I think to answer your 

1105
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,160
second question about like why 
sports are more focused on the 

1106
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:30,640
strategy and the business of 
them rather than what we've 

1107
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:36,240
talked about previously of 
upholding this, this kind of 

1108
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:41,480
idea of this heroic masculinity 
that really I, I, I know I've 

1109
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,920
already like said this, but it 
is really channeling the myth of

1110
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,600
meritocracy. 
Like if you work hard, you can 

1111
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,040
get what you quote UN quote, 
deserve or earn, right? 

1112
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,440
It's leaning on that narrative. 
And that's why I think, you 

1113
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,480
know, we've talked about this on
the Creed episode, looking at 

1114
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,360
like the Rocky franchise. 
And then also, I don't know that

1115
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,520
we've done many sports films, 
but I think we talked about on 

1116
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,160
the Challengers episode a little
bit too, that, you know, we grew

1117
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,960
up with sports movies that 
really were in that vein, right?

1118
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:19,440
It was like Rudy Rocky. 
Remember the Titans, which is a 

1119
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,960
great film but like, yes. 
But yeah, but right, so like 

1120
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:27,440
this idea of sports being a a 
unifying right, like non 

1121
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,560
critical look at like racism, 
for example, although remember 

1122
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,360
the Titans for a. 
That's the most. 

1123
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,360
Children's movie yeah, obviously
like maybe is in a different 

1124
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,920
lane than something like Rocky 
that unaware what? 

1125
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,920
Is that movie with Mark Wahlberg
where he's got like that long 

1126
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,160
haircut? 
Yeah, it's like, yeah, OK. 

1127
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,240
Unstoppable, whatever it is. 
We kind of get it right. 

1128
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:49,720
It's like this idea of speaking 
to the audience, it's like the 

1129
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:53,600
kind of like standing character 
for the audience who against all

1130
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,840
odds, like, you know, this white
guy makes the team and everyone 

1131
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,720
cheers him on. 
Cool, OK, great. 

1132
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:05,360
But you know, now I think that's
not really that's not really 

1133
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,400
something that our generation at
least is interested in in sports

1134
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:16,520
movie, especially because we 
understand the capitalism that's

1135
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,720
driving sports, right? 
Like we understand that sports 

1136
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,080
is a business, the commercial. 
We understand like the 

1137
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:24,720
exploitation of like labor. 
We understand like the classed 

1138
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,400
like issues within sports and 
like the unequal payment right 

1139
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,760
or or the idea of like, you 
know, the the only opportunity 

1140
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,440
that people in poverty might 
have to access wealth like this 

1141
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,440
is through sports and like. 
I Tonya was about this. 

1142
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:43,760
I, Tonya Creed three. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1143
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,120
Movies have been like this 
recently. 

1144
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,560
Sports films. 
So I think, you know, to see 

1145
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,600
like we wouldn't want and maybe 
that doesn't apply to like all 

1146
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,080
contact sports like Creed, 
right? 

1147
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,880
Creed 3 did this well. 
So we still do have like contact

1148
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,880
sports, but that that's a little
bit different because it's still

1149
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,600
within the Rocky. 
The lineage, they feel like 

1150
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,560
period pieces because Rocky's 
walking around in the 

1151
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,360
background. 
Yeah. 

1152
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,120
And I guess we, I mean, we 
talked about like iron Claw, but

1153
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,760
it's still like a period piece, 
right? 

1154
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,280
It's still like here is a 
particular like type of 

1155
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,440
masculinity, that masculinity 
that we're looking at. 

1156
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,440
And that was also a little bit 
more aware in terms of 

1157
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:23,280
interrogating like the 
socialization and the how their 

1158
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,440
dad was like had these 
expectations for them to to be 

1159
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,240
as well as like be in the sport.
So, so I think to the long 

1160
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:35,120
answer there is that like our 
generation just isn't interested

1161
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:41,800
in seeing this like fake hollow 
story about rising to greatness 

1162
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,000
and this this it would really 
fall flat to see, I think a 

1163
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,800
story like that of of this idea 
of like quote UN quote earning 

1164
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,720
success. 
Not that people don't work hard 

1165
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:54,440
in sports like that is a 
different conversation. 

1166
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,440
It's just the idea of especially
looking at like the traditional 

1167
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,600
kind of movies like Rudy that 
we've seen, right? 

1168
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,920
We're more interested in movies 
that were like the characters 

1169
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,080
are aware the system's broken 
and they're trying to beat the 

1170
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,040
system. 
Exactly. 

1171
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,440
So the. 
So I think, you know that our 

1172
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,760
generation wants to see sports 
movies more so. 

1173
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,000
And I and I think just like the 
table tennis and tennis itself 

1174
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,880
with Zendaya and Challengers 
fits this kind of like business 

1175
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,320
kind of idea of how the sport is
run and strategizing as an 

1176
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,200
individual. 
Right? 

1177
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,880
Yeah, yeah. 
Like how are you building 

1178
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,240
yourself? 
How are you aware of your public

1179
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,080
perception? 
That whole like strategy aspect 

1180
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,400
is interesting because. 
And This is why we love Color of

1181
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,880
Money, right? 
It's about the hustle. 

1182
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,160
Yeah, it's about the hustle of 
the sport #1 which was I think 

1183
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,880
our our generation like thinks 
is interesting and what sports 

1184
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,440
movies are moving into. 
And second, like I think our 

1185
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,840
generation would watch someone 
like essentially would sooner 

1186
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,320
watch a movie where someone is 
like buying shoes and reselling 

1187
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,000
them online for like a higher 
price right than a traditional 

1188
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,400
sports movie. 
I'll go, yeah, a step further. 

1189
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,680
I think our generation would 
rather watch Moneyball than 

1190
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,560
Rocky, which is weird to be 
like. 

1191
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,240
They would rather see how the 
organization is broken, how 

1192
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,080
somebody's trying to beat been 
trying to find loopholes in the 

1193
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,560
system for good or bad. 
The morals kind of just being up

1194
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,840
to the director, I guess, who's 
making the movie or like Shake 

1195
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,360
Shack from a year ago of like 
just like these hustling. 

1196
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,600
Kids. 
Trying to make, you know, a 

1197
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,600
couple 1000 bucks in the summer 
then they would, yeah, you know,

1198
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,400
a racks to riches story that 
feels false. 

1199
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,000
And I Rocky is that you know, we
we talked, we did a whole Rocky 

1200
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,040
franchise. 
So we talked all about Rocky 

1201
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,640
like and obviously it is aware 
of class but to an extent like 

1202
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,480
those. 
Those movies have others, but we

1203
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,000
like the Rocky films, obviously,
yeah. 

1204
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,760
But yeah, I know I think that's 
so true, right? 

1205
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,960
Like so the the idea of, you 
know, the this being more 

1206
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:54,120
similar Marty Supreme to an 
uncut Gems is and also we talked

1207
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,720
about challengers being more 
similar to the love triangle and

1208
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,280
hustle of color of money, which 
is also a sports film and we 

1209
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,400
love for the same reason. 
And it's not a contact sport 

1210
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,120
because it's focused on that. 
Like I I think that is 

1211
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,280
definitely where sports movies 
are moving, or at least like 

1212
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,480
what our generations audiences 
are interested in. 

1213
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,720
Yeah. 
So, yeah, sorry if that was like

1214
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,800
a long one, an answer from both 
of us about like where sports 

1215
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,520
films are right now, but it is a
little bit confusing. 

1216
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,440
It feels like we're in an era 
changing. 

1217
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,480
Like what kind of like people 
are interested in in the sports 

1218
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:27,760
movie to even answer that 
question. 

1219
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,080
Right. 
I feel like the Creed franchise 

1220
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,840
is the best look at that. 
I think you could do a whole 

1221
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,760
like dissertation on the Creed 
franchise. 

1222
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,720
No Listen to our Patreon. 
Episode, I guess we did. 

1223
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,880
If you're doing like a sports 
psychology PhD, maybe, yeah, go 

1224
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,040
listen to that. 
Well, I guess listen to. 

1225
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,160
That. 
Yeah. 

1226
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,200
Source us. 
Did I tell you somebody DM Ed us

1227
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,960
about that? 
Somebody DM Ed us if we could. 

1228
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,320
Source US How do I cite you? 
Yeah, how do I cite you in my 

1229
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,720
college paper? 
And I was like, I have no idea. 

1230
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,640
I don't know. 
Put that shit in owl bib for 

1231
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:00,760
whatever it is. 
What is it? 

1232
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,800
What do you say? 
What is the source thing we used

1233
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,880
to use in college Purdue? 
OWL, Purdue OWL and Easy Bib. 

1234
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,680
Yeah, shout out which. 
I think you probably. 

1235
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,640
Shout out my people who only 
took academic English in high 

1236
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,080
school never learned how to 
source things. 

1237
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,320
I see you. 
There's only so many times you 

1238
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,960
can fucking read Frankenstein, 
am I right? 

1239
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,880
In terms of like, what? 
What I think people are going to

1240
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,400
be frustrated by with this 
sports film of it all is that I 

1241
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,160
think they're going to go in 
thinking that it's going to be a

1242
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,240
celebration of Marty the movie, 
if that makes sense. 

1243
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,440
It's like the Wolf of Wall 
Street problem, which is like, 

1244
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,840
maybe Wolf of Wall Street wasn't
satirical enough, right? 

1245
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,000
Or critical enough, rather. 
It was certainly satirical 

1246
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,000
enough. 
It wasn't critical. 

1247
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,480
Well, yeah, we talked about this
honor episode where it just 

1248
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,800
indulges in too many things that
are uncritically examined in the

1249
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,400
media. 
It's not just media literacy, 

1250
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,320
it's also an issue with the 
direction, right? 

1251
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,720
Or the kind of like repetition 
and what you were trying to 

1252
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,000
criticize that then seems like 
an A sort of like signing off of

1253
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,960
what you're showing on screen. 
And so that's the but Marty's 

1254
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,440
Supreme to me is is being sold 
as a celebration of Marty 

1255
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,640
Supreme and Chalamet is selling 
the movie as a celebration of 

1256
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,120
the character. 
He's even talking about it on 

1257
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,040
podcast and non a non self aware
way where he's like, it is about

1258
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,040
being in your 20s, being kind of
stupid, but being very 

1259
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,600
ambitious. 
And it's kind of where he's 

1260
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,960
ending it. 
He doesn't really want to give 

1261
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,840
any more like I guess this kind 
of like more self critical 

1262
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,120
portrait that he's really trying
to paint in the film with the 

1263
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,720
performance, which is an 
excellent performance. 

1264
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,800
And so Shall makes playing the 
self absorbed showman in the 

1265
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,160
movie as Marty but also in real 
life. 

1266
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,600
But it is a fake out. 
And So what we're really 

1267
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:32,200
watching is this like, you know,
critical exploration and take 

1268
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:37,520
down of American exceptionalism 
through Marty Supreme and it as 

1269
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,320
a disease of like this idea of 
the American Dream being the 

1270
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,840
best at all costs. 
And the kind of cautionary tale 

1271
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,440
of all that. 
The American Dream cautionary 

1272
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,400
tale, I think is one of our 
favorite shared favorite genres 

1273
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,360
or like kind of like story 
through lines. 

1274
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,640
And I think the DNA of that 
formula is certainly here. 

1275
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,840
I think when we watch this 
movie, we both came out thinking

1276
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,000
about Boogie Nights, We thought 
about Color of money, we thought

1277
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,720
about Wolf of Wall Street, 
Certainly Whiplash. 

1278
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,280
You know that a lot of films, 
you know, Catch Me if you can, 

1279
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,760
like you already mentioned, I 
was like, OK, I could see this 

1280
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,120
Scorsese. 
I see the PTAI, see the Damien 

1281
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,240
Chazelle, see the little bit of 
the Spielberg. 

1282
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,760
Even though I think Catch me if 
you can, I like that movie and 

1283
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,520
that might be Dicaprio's best 
performance. 

1284
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,080
That movie feels like a fairy 
tale in comparison to Marty 

1285
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,680
Supreme in a lot of ways, 
because this movie feels a lot 

1286
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,640
more grimy, greasy, real in a 
sense of like, what are the 

1287
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,600
real? 
What is the reality of this 

1288
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:32,720
person really going to look 
like? 

1289
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,240
Yeah, it feels like in Catch Me 
If You Can, like Leo's this like

1290
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,160
grown up boy, which is like a 
lot of Spielberg movies, though.

1291
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,480
It's like the person's like 
still a child in an adult's 

1292
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,560
body. 
It's so weird. 

1293
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,200
OK, so back to the So the story.
Let's go to the plot. 

1294
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,400
Let's do some plop beats here. 
So we open the movie on Marty 

1295
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:59,400
Mauser, who is kind of wired. 
He's a wiry guy, that Chalmet, 

1296
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,520
very sweaty, hustling, got a 
pretty good haircut, got those 

1297
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,960
like beady eyes. 
Lots of made about the eyes and 

1298
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,640
the contacts, especially because
of Kristen Stewarts incredible 

1299
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,440
interview with New York Times 
where she was just like men are,

1300
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,480
you know, glorified for method 
acting. 

1301
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,920
You can't name one woman method 
actor for a reason. 

1302
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,240
Yeah. 
And all they do is retain self. 

1303
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,280
She gave some banger quotes that
I'm ruining right now. 

1304
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,680
Yeah, but you can go listen to 
that interview and it was really

1305
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,320
funny because that interview 
dropped at the same time 

1306
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,160
Rochelle and they came out in 
his press store being. 

1307
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,240
Like talking about how he got, 
like, special made contact, 

1308
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,440
Yeah. 
To make his eyes smaller, yeah. 

1309
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,360
Had to wear prescription glasses
as a result. 

1310
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,000
So it was it was funny many 
timing. 

1311
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,400
The irony is I think Xiaomi 
would be like Kristen Stewart is

1312
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,120
my goddess, you know, like he's 
like somebody who seems like 

1313
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,080
very much like in line with us 
of like loving case dude. 

1314
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:49,200
Anyways, that aside, in the 
movie, in this performance, he's

1315
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,400
kind of moving like a slender 
man on Red Bull. 

1316
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,760
That's his like energy. 
He's just constantly wired up. 

1317
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,000
But he's also very wiry. 
He's a fast talking like 

1318
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,960
everybody, including customers 
to friends. 

1319
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,520
He's pitching deals. 
He's ducking in and out of like 

1320
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,200
tight spaces. 
He's hanging on by a thin thread

1321
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:08,240
and we basically open with him 
in a shoe store and Odessa Zion,

1322
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,120
I believe it's her last name. 
I apologize if I'm 

1323
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:14,000
mispronouncing that. 
She comes into the movie and 

1324
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,160
she's like, I need to talk to 
you. 

1325
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,600
They get a little immediately. 
They make eye contact. 

1326
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:18,760
You're like, oh, they know each 
other. 

1327
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,320
Right. 
Well, I actually didn't know if 

1328
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,840
it was going to be a meet cute 
situation because we only see 

1329
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,120
Timmy and Gwyneth Paltrow in the
trailer. 

1330
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,200
So I was like, oh, are we going 
to like meet them and then come 

1331
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,840
back to them at the end of the 
movie? 

1332
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,320
Because she says, you know, I 
forgot something like maybe it's

1333
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,840
and then Timmy's like, oh, maybe
it's in the back, like creates a

1334
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,600
situation, right? 
So they can go hook up in the 

1335
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,120
back. 
But I didn't realize they had 

1336
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,240
like totally. 
Like they knew each other as 

1337
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:45,320
characters. 
Right. 

1338
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,520
So he tries to hook up with her,
sneaks her in through the back, 

1339
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,280
is like ducking underneath the 
door from his manager. 

1340
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,360
He calls him in, gives him a 
promotion. 

1341
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,440
I think in that moment or later 
in the film with his own card, 

1342
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,640
Marty clearly doesn't want it, 
says he doesn't want it. 

1343
01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:59,960
He's a professional ping pong 
player. 

1344
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:02,120
That's where his ambitions lie. 
He doesn't want to sell shoes 

1345
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,000
for a living. 
He's kind of a prick about it 

1346
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,080
and he's just obsessed with ping
pong and he's got a competition 

1347
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,200
overseas. 
I think they make it really 

1348
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,400
clear. 
They establish that he needs 

1349
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,080
cash. 
That he got in there, very 

1350
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:13,840
sorry. 
He's like, I need like the 

1351
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,360
money. 
That you promised me. 

1352
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:15,760
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1353
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,760
Well, but you're right, I think 
he doesn't ask for an advance, 

1354
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,920
so maybe not. 
So signing like he doesn't have 

1355
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,840
to do it right. 
And the major tension of the 

1356
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,640
movie is is all established very
quickly, which is that does 

1357
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,320
Marty settle into a career path 
with a beautiful woman, maybe 

1358
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,800
start a family with who will 
learn is his childhood 

1359
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,320
sweetheart? 
Or does he chase delusional 

1360
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,800
greatness in his 20s and he 
chooses delusion and he chooses 

1361
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,280
that kind of like horrible 
journey. 

1362
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,840
That is maybe I don't know, 
maybe he wouldn't call it 

1363
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,200
horrible. 
And that's I think a big part of

1364
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,080
the movie And and whether it's 
characters that self aware and 

1365
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,920
as him and Odessa start hooking 
up and the music is playing the 

1366
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,040
forever young, which is an 
awesome music drop. 

1367
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,200
There's also great score in this
film, very synthy, very safety. 

1368
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,840
The title drop happens, which is
one of the craziest title drops 

1369
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,600
I've ever seen. 
I would say it's next to Uncut 

1370
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,200
Gems in recent memory. 
I guess not by accident, Yeah. 

1371
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,680
What do? 
You think it is about because 

1372
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,200
like Uncut Gems has the colon 
like colonoscopy. 

1373
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,080
So we're inside of like a colon 
and like here, you know, we're 

1374
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,160
following like. 
You start, you start in the 

1375
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,520
universe and then you go inside,
inside the colon. 

1376
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:23,880
That's true, which is pretty 
cool. 

1377
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,840
And it's kind of similar here 
where you feel like you're in a 

1378
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,240
universe or some kind of like, I
don't know. 

1379
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:28,920
Yeah. 
And then? 

1380
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,360
Very colorful. 
Colorful. 

1381
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,080
Gems, yeah. 
Yeah, in the gem. 

1382
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,880
And then the screen explodes 
into this like digital sperm 

1383
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,720
flying through what looks like 
cyberspace or something. 

1384
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,360
And it's like this neon 
insemination sequence definitely

1385
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,920
has to be the first one ever in 
cinema. 

1386
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,240
If Damian can make Babylon 
again, I certain that this would

1387
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,280
be in. 
They're going to. 

1388
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,000
Use this for for sex education 
everywhere like this. 

1389
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:55,760
That's what Marty would have 
wanted. 

1390
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,920
Cinematic version. 
Yeah, I don't know what it's 

1391
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:00,400
what it is. 
What do you think it is that 

1392
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,320
that the Safdies are interested 
in this like Looney Tunes panic?

1393
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:04,640
Yeah, I was. 
Like what? 

1394
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,000
What is up with, like being 
inside? 

1395
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,560
Like the body? 
Yeah, like what? 

1396
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,320
I wonder if I at first I'm. 
Thinking we don't usually see 

1397
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,120
cinematically. 
Yeah, like at 1st and also that 

1398
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,240
are make people kind of like 
uncomfortable to see like 

1399
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:24,880
organs, you know, or whatever. 
I was like, OK, is it just the 

1400
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,160
kind of abject, you know, like 
idea of that we get in horror 

1401
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,160
movies of like getting 
uncomfortable about like seeing 

1402
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,880
bodies? 
Or is it something that is like 

1403
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,160
thematically, you know, coded of
like being inside of these 

1404
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,640
characters? 
I don't know. 

1405
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,640
So I think maybe, yes, maybe it 
does have like something 

1406
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,760
thematic of like I'm going to 
show you something that you 

1407
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,000
might immediately think is 
either like shocking or 

1408
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,200
uncomfortable or something like 
that, right. 

1409
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,920
But that's how we're starting 
right to to kind of go into this

1410
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:06,000
more grimy story or like real, I
guess, you know, in the kind of 

1411
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,280
context tonally of the movie 
story. 

1412
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,600
Yeah. 
I mean, I guess with with Adam 

1413
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,760
Sandlers character, he talks out
his ass the entire movie, so I 

1414
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,800
guess that kind of makes sense. 
And then with Timmy's character 

1415
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,640
he is sort of parasitical to 
everybody around him and that's 

1416
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,200
what the semen look like. 
Yeah, in that sequence. 

1417
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,160
So I guess it makes sense for 
the characters if you read it 

1418
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,000
that way. 
It also just is a provocative 

1419
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,399
way to start a film. 
So like that could, it's just 

1420
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:36,600
feel subversive because it is 
like borderline transgressive. 

1421
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,359
It does feel like, to your 
point, which I never thought 

1422
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:40,640
about the abject, like it feels 
like you're watching a little 

1423
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,279
bit of like a scene from a Saw 
film, but from somebody who's a 

1424
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,120
little bit weirdly more fucked 
up, if that makes sense. 

1425
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,359
Like to even come up with that 
idea. 

1426
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:49,720
I don't know where we're going 
to go next. 

1427
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,279
So the smashing machine didn't 
have anything like that. 

1428
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:53,319
We didn't go through the. 
Bicycle. 

1429
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:54,560
Oh, that's. 
True of the rock. 

1430
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,000
Yeah. 
So I think this is a Josh. 

1431
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,479
This is a Josh specific 
interest. 

1432
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,920
But that does make me excited 
that it's, like, becoming, like 

1433
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,080
a motif of his work. 
Yeah. 

1434
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,920
So Marty ends up not getting the
money, right? 

1435
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,680
He goes to rob one of his 
coworkers. 

1436
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,000
Yes, seeing Xiaomi with a gun 
being like, yeah, I'm going to 

1437
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,520
kill you. 
Yeah, I will shoot you. 

1438
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,319
Yeah, it was. 
It was a funny, like funny 

1439
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:15,640
scene. 
Yeah. 

1440
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,520
For the travel money, he does it
in a very casual way, which I 

1441
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,200
think makes it, you know, really
hilarious. 

1442
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,279
Xiaomi doesn't get to play too 
much into his his comedic 

1443
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,240
powers, but he is a very funny 
actor. 

1444
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,920
You can tell he really did love 
Adam Sandler growing up because 

1445
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,560
he just has like a a timing. 
He got to do a little bit a 

1446
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,680
little bit of that and don't 
look up in terms of comedian. 

1447
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,960
But that was weird. 
He was like playing a full 

1448
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,920
character that was supposed to 
be funny because of the 

1449
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,600
character he was playing, right?
Like that. 

1450
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,680
And he, like, kisses Jennifer 
Lawrence in that movie. 

1451
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:48,760
I think that was a lot. 
Right. 

1452
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,000
Yeah. 
I forgot that happened. 

1453
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,279
I forgot that too much. 
Wow. 

1454
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,840
But here though, he's actually 
able to like do comedic timing 

1455
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,920
versus do you know what I mean? 
They felt like a different sort 

1456
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,120
of like SNL skit where he was 
like transforming into a 

1457
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:05,480
character that. 
Was supposed to be funny, right?

1458
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:08,880
And the Wonka humor was really 
eccentric because he was he was 

1459
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,160
trying to channel. 
The John Depp. 

1460
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:17,760
Plus, yeah, so he gets the money
and he travels somewhere in 

1461
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,880
Europe, some ping pong circuit 
for like the world championship.

1462
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,240
I don't know if it's like a pre 
Olympics thing or a literal 

1463
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,920
Olympics thing, I forget. 
He flies overseas. 

1464
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,360
He expects the Rockstar 
treatment immediately starts 

1465
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:34,120
beefing with the tournament 
organizer judges. 

1466
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,800
He wants to stay at some nice 
Ritz like hotel. 

1467
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,760
If not the Ritz, they say no. 
Somehow he ends up there 

1468
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,440
anyways, which will come back at
the end of the movie. 

1469
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,920
And that leads us to the 
entrance of Gwyneth Paltrow, 

1470
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,240
right in this film. 
Yeah. 

1471
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,840
And Kevin O'Leary, who? 
I think most people were really 

1472
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,280
disappointed to see Kevin 
O'Leary cast in this movie, but 

1473
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,440
considering the character he's 
playing, he's just playing 

1474
01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:59,320
himself, which then makes it 
work. 

1475
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:00,600
I think it does too. 
Yeah. 

1476
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:01,800
Yeah, I I think so too. 
I. 

1477
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,800
Think self aware casting. 
Exactly He. 

1478
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,680
Even if not to him. 
Yeah, even if not to Kevin 

1479
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,000
O'Leary. 
I think in the trailer they, 

1480
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,400
they use a line where he's like,
I'm going to make you a deal, 

1481
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,040
right? 
Like we're going off of the 

1482
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:20,600
Shark Tank here of it all #1 And
then you're right though, like 

1483
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:26,360
he's playing a pretty like 
opportunistic, like capitalist, 

1484
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:31,880
yeah guy who has convinced 
himself that he just like plays 

1485
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:37,400
it straight and he kind of like 
because he's so direct and 

1486
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,240
whatever. 
Like that's how he is like 

1487
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,880
stomping on everyone, right? 
Like, you know what I mean? 

1488
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,560
He's like self mythologizing 
himself. 

1489
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:49,360
But when we see later on work 
with like a very surprising 

1490
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,200
scene with him and Timothy 
Chalamet, which we'll get to, he

1491
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,720
says like, you have no power 
here, right? 

1492
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:59,040
Like so he's also very aware of 
the the like power dynamics. 

1493
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,800
But again, like not a self aware
character where I think it does 

1494
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,480
make the O'Leary casting work. 
He. 

1495
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,280
Strangely, Kevin O'leary's 
character is kind of at the 

1496
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,960
center of the thesis of this 
film for me. 

1497
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,080
So I'm interested to discuss 
that with you because I think as

1498
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,280
blatant and direct as this movie
is about its ideas and being 

1499
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,640
sort of an anti sports movie and
being critical American 

1500
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:23,000
exceptionalism and and 
capitalism in many ways and a 

1501
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,160
critical portrait of Marty 
Mauser turned Marty Supreme. 

1502
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,280
I think there are, there's a 
good ambiguity at the end of 

1503
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,760
this movie about what his 
relationship is to, like, Kevin 

1504
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,880
O'leary's character and what 
will become of the future of 

1505
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,200
Marty Mauser. 
So after he sees Gwyneth 

1506
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,480
Paltrow, he, like, instantly 
falls in love with her as a a 

1507
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:43,720
class symbol, Right. 
Because people at his table who 

1508
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,840
he's trying to convince to 
sponsor him, these businessmen, 

1509
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,800
they like, immediately were 
like, enraptured by her. 

1510
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,280
Yeah, and he's like, oh, this is
what I want. 

1511
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:54,280
Like he takes a double take, but
not necessarily at her at the 

1512
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,120
connection that they have like 
the glare. 

1513
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:58,840
And he's like he's observation 
located that. 

1514
01:12:58,840 --> 01:12:59,840
And he's like I want that. 
I. 

1515
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,720
Don't know what that is. 
He's like I want time to stop 

1516
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,120
for me in the same way it is 
for. 

1517
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,960
Her right now, exactly. 
So then we cut to the famous 

1518
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,880
trailer sequence, which is 
Timothy Chalamet half naked in a

1519
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,960
trench coat in a very Tom Cruise
like way, jumping on top of a 

1520
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,720
bed and maybe more of a Ferris 
Bueller kind of way, kind of 

1521
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,760
shit eating grin that he has 
that Xiaomi is so good at with 

1522
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,560
his unibrow and talking as if 
he's the sexiest man alive. 

1523
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,680
But certainly is like playing 
down his good looks, which is 

1524
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,600
kind of a compliment I would 
make to Xiaomi in this movie. 

1525
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,520
Like good for him for like 
playing so down on how 

1526
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,720
attractive he is as a as a 
person. 

1527
01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:35,880
They really lean into the fact 
that they they really try to get

1528
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,400
rid of his like jaw in this 
movie, like his like his jaws 

1529
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,080
connected to his neck in this 
film, which is Xiaomi is kind of

1530
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,800
known for having one of the 
craziest like jaws in the 

1531
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,480
industry next to Pattinson for 
men at least anyway, So small 

1532
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:51,680
note there, but he's like 
calling Gwyneth Paltrow on the 

1533
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,800
phone. 
What does he tell her to do? 

1534
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,920
Like look in the newspaper. 
Yeah, he's like, look at, yeah, 

1535
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,840
look at page like 12 or 
something, right? 

1536
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:04,400
And she like flips there. 
It's a small picture of him, but

1537
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,880
I think he says. 
He's like the chosen 1. 

1538
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,560
I'm somewhat of a performer 
myself. 

1539
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,960
Or something like. 
That right and and he's doing 

1540
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,800
this kind of like boyish thing 
where he's trying to flirt with 

1541
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,400
her by impressing her and 
saying, you know, watch across 

1542
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,680
the street, I'm going to make an
apple appear in that apartment. 

1543
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,840
And if I do, then you have to 
come see me, right? 

1544
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,320
Like creating an ultimatum where
where there was nothing. 

1545
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,760
Right. 
Well, he sees a window, 

1546
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,400
figuratively and literally. 
And so he's like, I'm going to 

1547
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:33,400
take advantage of this. 
Yeah. 

1548
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,160
I, I think it is interesting 
like I, I think there's a lot of

1549
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:42,880
parallels with Uncut Gems of 
kind of like making this like, 

1550
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:47,840
kind of like doubling up a 
situation, which we'll talk 

1551
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:52,440
about later of like there's a, a
issue that you like created and 

1552
01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:54,480
then you're going to like come 
in to solve it, right? 

1553
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,640
And he's like doing that even 
here with Gwyneth Paltrow. 

1554
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,960
And the reason why I think the 
movie is like interesting is 

1555
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,120
that it is like a looking at 
this kind of like boyish 

1556
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:07,280
masculinity where he even thinks
that he has like a shot with 

1557
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,800
this woman, right. 
Also, though, which we will talk

1558
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:15,640
about insulting to women 
everywhere. 

1559
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:20,160
I think just like but I think 
the movie is aware of it to a 

1560
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,720
certain extent until it's not, 
which I'll talk about. 

1561
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,160
But it is a it is an important 
like thing to I think just like 

1562
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:30,320
tag here or flag this kind of 
like flirtatious thing. 

1563
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,880
It's like is the movie. 
Yes, it is aware that he is so 

1564
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:40,160
like full of himself essentially
and that this is a stand in for 

1565
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,960
like maybe what boys might be 
taught in general. 

1566
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,320
Like a male fantasy. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1567
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:51,920
But then later on it's, it is 
like, how much are we leaning 

1568
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,920
into? 
It has a Wolf of Wall Street. 

1569
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,920
Timothy Chalmette. 
Yeah, there's like a basically a

1570
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,520
porno scene between Timothy 
Chalamet's character and Gwyneth

1571
01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:59,240
Paltrow's. 
Character. 

1572
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,040
Yeah, it feels like a which 
turns to like. 

1573
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,200
An objectifying scene that. 
Exactly A boy's. 

1574
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,600
OK, so yeah, well, I'll just 
talk about it now then the IT 

1575
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:09,680
feels like a boy's fantasy, 
right where that sex scene is. 

1576
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,320
Like it just so insulting to 
women, I think. 

1577
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,160
Like, yeah, so. 
So we can get we can get to a 

1578
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,880
little bit more directly. 
So Paltrow's character 

1579
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,640
eventually comes to see him play
and it's a turning point in the 

1580
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,600
movie because Marty gets to put 
on a show and we get to actually

1581
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,800
see him in action because we 
have yet to see him actually 

1582
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,760
perform ping pong at at a high 
level. 

1583
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:36,760
And he is winning the match so 
easily that he tells his partner

1584
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,960
who he is friends with has 
dinner with later that night. 

1585
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,360
Who used to be a champion? 
Yeah. 

1586
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:41,360
Yes. 
He's like, do you mind if we 

1587
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,000
just like fuck around for this 
last match? 

1588
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,200
And they basically turn it into 
performance art and he's running

1589
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:46,920
around the room and he's hitting
the ball everywhere. 

1590
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,880
He's trying to impress people. 
And her, she is impressed. 

1591
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,680
We're impressed. 
He's an entertainer and so is 

1592
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:57,720
she, as we learned that she's an
actress and that was really 

1593
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,080
cool. 
I loved that sequence. 

1594
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,360
I like seeing Xiaomi run across 
the room hitting a ball, like 

1595
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,280
grunting, like he's Maria 
Sharapova, like Venus Williams, 

1596
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:06,280
like I thought that was pretty 
sick. 

1597
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,400
And then after the match, he 
goes to dinner. 

1598
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:14,360
He's asking the server to comp 
O'leary's bill, the whole table,

1599
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:19,360
the whole table, trying to make 
a big move, and Gwyneth looks 

1600
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,760
visibly stressed when she 
identifies what's happening. 

1601
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,680
She doesn't stop him. 
O'Leary comes over. 

1602
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,600
They have some kind of like, 
transactional conversation about

1603
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,080
like, whether or not O'Leary 
really cares about his ping 

1604
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:32,640
pong. 
Xiaomi's like, you don't 

1605
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,160
understand, this is going to be 
the future. 

1606
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,200
You sell ballpoint pens. 
It's perfect. 

1607
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:37,760
We can make this like a 
marketing thing. 

1608
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,880
Which then felt very meta 
because of the marketing of, 

1609
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,240
like, Marty Supreme in general. 
Yeah. 

1610
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,880
It's just funny to see Marty 
become his own like, marketer 

1611
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,520
the same way Timmy has become. 
Later that night, I think 

1612
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,560
Gwyneth and Chalamet's 
characters have sex. 

1613
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,480
I can't remember if it was 
before this. 

1614
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:54,360
I think it it, you know, it may 
have been after because again, 

1615
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,800
we saw this a really long time 
ago, which but I, I think 

1616
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,400
actually it was after that 
match. 

1617
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,800
They have sex and then he's 
like, I'm going to pay for this 

1618
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,560
bill. 
And that's why she, we see her 

1619
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,080
get stressed. 
But I think that's actually an 

1620
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,200
interesting thing that we see 
her get stressed there because 

1621
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:17,520
like later on, it doesn't really
matter to her that like, people 

1622
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,360
maybe find out like, yes, it 
does matter that the public 

1623
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,640
might find out which we'll we'll
get into that whole park 

1624
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,280
sequence and having to like, buy
off the cops essentially. 

1625
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,080
But it it's not really like that
important to her. 

1626
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,640
And I and I wonder, like, how 
much of the movie at that point 

1627
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,480
is like keeping us in Marty's 
POV of like, him having power 

1628
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,560
over this woman. 
Does that make sense of like 

1629
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,000
having. 
Yeah, so I, I think that's 

1630
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,400
interesting. 
But yeah, I love when when the 

1631
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,280
Kevin O'leary's character comes 
over and is like, who is about 

1632
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,600
to like, try to buy, you know, 
like one of me. 

1633
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:51,680
Right. 
Do you? 

1634
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:52,840
Do you like one of them? 
This. 

1635
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:54,560
I do, yeah. 
She's pretty good. 

1636
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:55,400
You like her too? 
Yeah. 

1637
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:57,200
I was surprised how much screen 
time she actually got. 

1638
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:58,960
I thought I was going to be 
coming in for like one or two 

1639
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,800
scenes, a kind of a cameo, like 
a celebrity kind of thing. 

1640
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,520
Yeah, I will say that I kind of 
expected that too. 

1641
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,400
I will say I was expecting more 
of a Pepper Potts situation and 

1642
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,240
maybe that's just because I have
only seen her Marvel movies, you

1643
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,080
know, but I thought she did like
a a great job. 

1644
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,440
I liked how spicy she was with 
that actor. 

1645
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:20,600
I figured his name, Fred 
Herschlinger or whatever his 

1646
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:21,880
last name is. 
I apologize. 

1647
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,040
But where she's like saying like
he fucking sucks at what he does

1648
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,840
and Sham is like, why don't you 
take the knife and go like this?

1649
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:34,760
It's just awesome. 
So I think basically the next 

1650
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,800
day, Marty goes back and forth 
with the Japanese competitor. 

1651
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,160
Marty loses, kind of thrown off 
by the different paddle, but 

1652
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:45,160
really just like the guys much 
better than him and loses like a

1653
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,280
loser. 
Like he he basically crashes out

1654
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:51,160
and Kevin O'Leary offers him a 
job the next day to play the 

1655
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,800
same guy in this kind of 
exhibition match for money. 

1656
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,920
But you have to lose because 
it's going to be in Japan. 

1657
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,200
And Marty is like, I'm not going
to do it. 

1658
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:00,960
I'd rather I'd rather go become 
like a. 

1659
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,360
An act at 1/2 time show and then
we cut to him being an actor. 

1660
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,920
In the Harlem Globetrotters. 
Yes, travelling the world, I 

1661
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,600
think there's some real NBA 
players and some of these 

1662
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,080
sequences, which is cool. 
He sees the pyramids, cuts off a

1663
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:14,880
piece for his mom. 
Right. 

1664
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,440
That was earlier in the movie, 
but yeah. 

1665
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,480
Is it not when he's travelling 
the world as a globetrotter? 

1666
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,840
Oh, maybe you're right. 
Yeah, I think that's when he's. 

1667
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:23,560
Travelling because he brings it 
back to his mom. 

1668
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,400
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Because he's like, I've been 

1669
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:26,400
working. 
OK, Yeah. 

1670
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,680
He comes back to New York. 
Things fall apart very quickly. 

1671
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,400
Marty gets fake arrested. 
Were really arrested. 

1672
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,240
Can't tell by a the family 
friend who owns the shoe store 

1673
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,280
who's going to give him the job 
as soon as he returns. 

1674
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,360
Which it was a great scene 
because you could tell at the 

1675
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,000
beginning when he starts to get 
arrested, you're like, this 

1676
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,640
doesn't feel like a real arrest.
So like what is happening here? 

1677
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,920
There's like some sort of 
misdirect happening where it 

1678
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,120
makes it like this funny 
sequence where he's like, why? 

1679
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:52,520
Why aren't you like just 
arresting me? 

1680
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,480
And then we have like the family
friend come out. 

1681
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,280
Right. 
It's also revealed in this 

1682
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,800
moment that he owes thousands in
America because he stole 

1683
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,400
thousands of dollars from the 
sky. 

1684
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,160
But he also, it's also revealed 
later that he owes thousands to 

1685
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,000
that Ritz overseas. 
So he's basically like an 

1686
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,000
International Criminal. 
Like a catch me if you can. 

1687
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,000
Right. 
So throughout the film I kept 

1688
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,320
thinking, how's he going to get 
got? 

1689
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:15,440
Like, how's he going to get 
killed? 

1690
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:18,560
How's he going to go to jail? 
We already said spoiler warning 

1691
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:19,640
but neither of those things 
happened. 

1692
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,120
But I kept thinking about Uncut 
Gems and how that movie ends 

1693
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:22,920
and. 
So. 

1694
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,240
So you were waiting. 
I was waiting for him to get 

1695
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:29,280
shot to die and I just was like,
and I was kind of like both 

1696
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:33,040
excited to see Chalamet be put 
in that vulnerable of a position

1697
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,840
to have a Leo DiCaprio departed 
moment of getting killed 

1698
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,640
basically. 
And sorry spoiler I guess 20. 

1699
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,720
Year old. 
That's OK, That is totally. 

1700
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,400
But also I really didn't want to
see it, if that makes sense. 

1701
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,360
But I'm kind of glad they didn't
because I think it hits a nail 

1702
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,720
on the head of like of the theme
at the end of the movie that I'm

1703
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:55,200
excited to get to. 
And so he runs from the cops 

1704
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,760
through the city looking like a 
coked up Ferris Bueller, truly 

1705
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,400
running from building to 
building, eventually crashing 

1706
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,840
into Odessa's character, who's 
also she's very good in this 

1707
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,320
movie. 
She doesn't get too much to do 

1708
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:06,880
and we'll have a lot to say 
about her in a second. 

1709
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,840
She's now pregnant, gives us a 
good timeline because we assume 

1710
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,880
it's his and she tells him it is
his and it's nine months, 

1711
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,200
obviously pregnancy. 
So it's a nine month timeline in

1712
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:17,960
the film, which is, which is 
cool that we have that one. 

1713
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:20,960
And they're at a pet store. 
She works at a pet store. 

1714
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,680
And you said while watching 
Adrian Rocky, you're like Adrian

1715
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:24,800
Rocky. 
And I was like, oh, that's cool 

1716
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,360
for sports films. 
And they have a similar. 

1717
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,720
There's like a quiet angry 
tenderness between them, which I

1718
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,240
enjoy. 
Yeah, between these two. 

1719
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,840
And they have great chemistry, 
like it feel, it feels like they

1720
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,000
have known each other and been 
childhood friends. 

1721
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,320
And they're also like 
romantically involved now. 

1722
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,080
Did you know that Drew Starkey's
girlfriend? 

1723
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:42,720
Apparently. 
Odessa, Azion. 

1724
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,400
You informed me of this and I 
didn't realize, like, I mean, 

1725
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,080
she's gorgeous, but like, I just
didn't realize how hot she was 

1726
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,560
until I watched I Love LA Rachel
sent us new TV show. 

1727
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:53,720
I watched the first episode. 
Is that good? 

1728
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,600
It was like, so I was going in 
with really low expectations. 

1729
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,960
I also don't watch a lot of TV 
so. 

1730
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,480
But I I think yeah, like I 
enjoyed it. 

1731
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:07,760
I also love Rachel Sennett. 
How's Josh in it? 

1732
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,480
Hutcherson, He's. 
Great, I love him. 

1733
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:13,320
He's really good. 
And then Odessa plays this like 

1734
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:18,040
character that Rachel center and
her were growing up. 

1735
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,560
They were best friends growing 
up or in college or something. 

1736
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,640
And now they're like kind of in 
their their their jobs, right, 

1737
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:30,120
like right out of school and 
have this like riff in their 

1738
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,160
relationship because Odessa is 
playing this like movie or 

1739
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:37,920
sorry, not movie pop music star 
and Rachel Senate wants to is 

1740
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,320
going to be her manager. 
So like there's this. 

1741
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:43,600
It's almost like, you know, I 
didn't put this together, but I 

1742
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,640
feel like I've only watched the 
first episode. 

1743
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,360
Like is this an entourage 
situation? 

1744
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,240
Meet Sex and the City. 
Oh, I thought it was like a 

1745
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,560
Larry David thing. 
I think the first episode was 

1746
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,360
not a Larry David. 
No, it was like more a scripted 

1747
01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:00,480
kind of comedic drama. 
I also everyone have not seen 

1748
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:02,960
girls. 
I don't know if it's in the 

1749
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:07,680
similar vein, but anyway, she's 
so hot in that that. 

1750
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,520
That show is it. 
What I was trying to get. 

1751
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,600
To well, she's hot in this movie
too, but she's also playing down

1752
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,720
her her like incredible looks. 
That's interesting. 

1753
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,120
But yes, they have a good they 
have good chemistry. 

1754
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,160
She tells them the baby is his 
and. 

1755
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:25,200
If you didn't listen to queer, 
Drew Starkey and her make total 

1756
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:26,680
sense. 
It makes a lot of sense, yeah. 

1757
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,640
If you don't listen to our 
episode of Queer, then you 

1758
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,040
probably don't get where we 
stand with that. 

1759
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,320
But Drew Starkey? 
Damn. 

1760
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,520
Then the husband shows up, tries
to fight Marty. 

1761
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,400
He's like, what are you, an ape 
trying to fight me? 

1762
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,040
It's a great scene from 
Chalamet. 

1763
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,360
Great. 
Which is funny because it's like

1764
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,040
delivery. 
He is trying to say like in that

1765
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,000
scene, these are like great 
examples of him like playing 

1766
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,440
with masculinity but also 
playing into masculinity because

1767
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,960
he is trying to say like, oh, 
you want to get physical? 

1768
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,760
Like he literally says that. 
And then at the same time 

1769
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,360
though, he knows he'd get his 
ass beat so. 

1770
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,360
Absolutely. 
So he's like, I'd rather you 

1771
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:03,360
call the cops on me. 
Yeah, finally we get to Tyler, 

1772
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:04,880
The Creator, which is really 
exciting. 

1773
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,560
I'm really happy for Tyler, The 
Creator. 

1774
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,040
I was a little bit nervous 
because it's a tough trajectory 

1775
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:15,920
for I would say he's like a pop 
like cultural icon at this 

1776
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:17,160
point. 
So he's not just like a music 

1777
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,560
star or like hip hop *. 
He's like very known. 

1778
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,080
He's transcended that space. 
I was also, yeah, I was 

1779
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,720
wondering if him and Timmy would
have like chemistry. 

1780
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,280
It's really cool to hear Tyler 
talk about Chalmette in this 

1781
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:31,520
press run for Marty Supreme 
because Tyler, The Creator also 

1782
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,480
is like, very much himself in 
interviews. 

1783
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,480
And he's like, yeah, that but 
white, white boy is crazy. 

1784
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:38,240
He's like that in real life. 
Like, I love him. 

1785
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,120
Like, that's like Tyler's energy
about Timmy, which is good to 

1786
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,320
see because I am always curious 
what Chalmette is like in closed

1787
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,360
rooms. 
And Tyler, The Creator would say

1788
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,440
straight up if Chalmette was 
like, I think a piece of. 

1789
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:50,560
Shit or like he just wouldn't 
talk about. 

1790
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,560
It yeah, he wouldn't bring it up
or he wouldn't do an interview. 

1791
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,200
So him and Tyler, they go to AI 
don't know his character's name,

1792
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,440
but they go to a busted up room 
in a hotel. 

1793
01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:03,800
Marty's broke, desperate, 
talking about like money that 

1794
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,200
he, you know, got taken from him
by the shoe store guy. 

1795
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,520
Tyler, the crater is going 
through his like mail and he's 

1796
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,720
like, by the way, you own this 
European hotel, thousands of 

1797
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,120
dollars too. 
While Marty's taking a bath and 

1798
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:18,600
you hear Marty's screaming in 
denial as Tyler walks into the 

1799
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:20,920
bathroom. 
And then mid rant, he falls 

1800
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,280
through the ceiling, which was 
not in the trailer. 

1801
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,080
So that was awesome because a 
lot of like the the quote UN 

1802
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,280
quote action scenes of this 
movie are in the trailer and 

1803
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,680
this one was not. 
It goes full physical comedy 

1804
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,520
from Chalamet as he crashes 
through the ceiling. 

1805
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,000
And but it very like but in. 
It quickly turns. 

1806
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,160
Dark like fashion. 
Yes, very, Yeah, very dark, 

1807
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:43,240
like, you know, the like the dog
screaming a man. 

1808
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:44,720
Spines like crushed by this 
basket. 

1809
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,000
Yeah, man's like arm snapped in 
half. 

1810
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,440
Yeah. 
Dog's still alive, though. 

1811
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:51,560
They got to take it to a vet. 
And the guy, I guess is a 

1812
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:52,960
gangster. 
He's like from Goodfellas. 

1813
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,840
He's from a whole other movie. 
He's got his whole movie going 

1814
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,200
on. 
He's in the mafia or something. 

1815
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:58,840
He's like, yeah, there's cash in
the bag. 

1816
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,120
Like grab that, take the dog to 
the vet and save the dog. 

1817
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:05,280
And then that was basically the 
first act of Marty Supreme. 

1818
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,880
It's a great set up, a great 
kind of beginning of a rise and 

1819
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,640
fall, or what you think is going
to be a rise and fall. 

1820
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,240
The second-half of the movie is 
basically a run of Marty doing 

1821
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:17,240
dumb, selfish shit that he 
thinks is inconsequential. 

1822
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:20,920
That will be very consequential.
Every single thing will come 

1823
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,080
back to haunt him. 
And it's kind of very, it's a 

1824
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:25,680
safty trope. 
At this point of their 

1825
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:26,960
storytelling, this is what they 
do. 

1826
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,000
The chaos always circles back. 
Yes, well, I think, you know, 

1827
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,960
it's really interesting that you
you said the bathtub scene, 

1828
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,120
which was one of the most like, 
you know, I guess surprising 

1829
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:41,440
scenes in terms of the shock and
like gore of an actual like 

1830
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:45,320
immediate consequence. 
Where in the trailer, you know, 

1831
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:46,880
I was just re watching it this 
morning. 

1832
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,920
There are a lot of scenes that 
seem like there's conflict. 

1833
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,440
Like there is the scene that 
we're about to talk about where 

1834
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:57,840
Tyler, The Creator like pushes 
Timmy or Timmy doing the 

1835
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,240
chicken. 
Like at the very end sequence, 

1836
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:06,640
like there's a lot of fake, I 
guess, or like the facade of 

1837
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:11,360
conflict that is created by the 
character here that's in the 

1838
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,880
trailer that makes it look like 
it's full of conflict, which is 

1839
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,040
really interesting. 
And that is certainly like a 

1840
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:19,320
safty troop. 
They feel like the Hold Me Back 

1841
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,920
directors, like where every one 
of their lead characters is, 

1842
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,480
like, doing a hold Me Back thing
or like on the precipice of 

1843
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:27,800
being violent and then violence 
inevitably comes toward them. 

1844
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,080
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I'll put it So we kick off with 

1845
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:34,160
the dog in the second act. 
After crashing through the motel

1846
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,960
bathroom, landing on the random 
gangster guy, they decide to 

1847
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,160
make good take the dog to the 
vet with the money. 

1848
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,920
Naturally, they. 
Detour make good for the money, 

1849
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,360
yeah. 
They detour to a bowling alley 

1850
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:45,840
to hustle. 
Poor White. 

1851
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,080
People, which is the color of 
money sequences of the movie. 

1852
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:50,320
Maybe the best sequence of the 
movie. 

1853
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,000
It's one. 
Arguably it's one of the top 

1854
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,000
three or four I have. 
Another one that I think is 

1855
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,160
better. 
But you're right, it's full of 

1856
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,120
color of money energy. 
If you haven't seen the color of

1857
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,720
money, go watch that 
immediately. 

1858
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,080
Challengers is deeply inspired 
by color of money. 

1859
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,720
This movie is inspired by color 
of money in terms of like love 

1860
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:10,080
triangle slash, like mentor 
mentee, toxic relationship in a 

1861
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,760
sports film. 
It's really like some of the 

1862
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,600
best you've ever seen this 
genre. 

1863
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,760
And it's also Scorsese and 
Thelma Schoonmaker. 

1864
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,080
You know, Schoomaker in 
particular at the top of her 

1865
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,120
power as an editor. 
So Marty's like doing the Tom 

1866
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,840
Cruise kind of again, like 
running like a maniac, shit 

1867
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:29,920
talking, ping ponging ego off of
like Tyler's more eccentric guy 

1868
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:34,040
he's doing in the bowling alley.
And I guess Marty's whole thing 

1869
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:37,680
is that he's basically being 
racist and a loser and the the 

1870
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,400
poor white people who are more 
more likely than not racist are 

1871
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:41,960
now feeling like they have to 
protect. 

1872
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,280
Yeah, well, this is like a. 
Tyler because Marty's such an 

1873
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,840
asshole. 
Or like that's the performances 

1874
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,800
that they're putting on. 
Exactly in this hustle like 

1875
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:53,000
sequence, which I love that it's
a it's a ping pong match in a 

1876
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,160
bowling alley because the 
bowling alley sounds make it 

1877
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,640
feel more like just the. 
The. 

1878
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:03,240
Balls into like the pins makes 
it feel heightened, right? 

1879
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:04,480
Makes it feel. 
Violent too. 

1880
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:07,200
Yeah, it also. 
Like gives the busyness of of 

1881
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:08,920
bowling alleys. 
There's also something about 

1882
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,680
bowling alleys where you feel 
kind of exposed and you're like.

1883
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,080
Weirdly, that was the one place 
my dad told me as a teenager he 

1884
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,920
was like as an adult, never go 
to a bowling alley after 10:00 

1885
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,960
PM. 
Well, they're open to like 2:00 

1886
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,040
PM like or two AM 20 yeah, yeah,
yeah. 

1887
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:27,840
But yeah, like, so I, I think 
that it was just an interesting 

1888
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,800
I space, right? 
That like heightened the 

1889
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,400
hustling sequence in itself, 
which I I really like the 

1890
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,160
setting. 
But yeah, like it at first I was

1891
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,960
like, OK, yes, you're right. 
Timmy is like playing this like 

1892
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,680
part of being racist toward 
Tyler, the Creator's character. 

1893
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:45,520
And then we have all these like 
white guys who are standing up 

1894
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:49,240
for Tyler, The Creator, and 
basically like trying to rally 

1895
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:53,160
around putting in all of their 
money to go against Timmy in 

1896
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:57,840
order to get, you know, Tylers 
character like a ride home. 

1897
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,920
Because the whole like bit was 
that he had lost all his money 

1898
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:05,360
to even just like get home. 
And so like, at first I was 

1899
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:09,080
like, I don't know if this like 
this is realistic. 

1900
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:15,720
But then later on, obviously, 
like when Timmy and Tyler like 

1901
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,920
leave the bowling alley, we do 
see like the the kind of like 

1902
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,680
true colours of the people at 
the bowling alley who are like 

1903
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,360
rallying around Tyler's 
character, who are actually like

1904
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,120
racist. 
And it feels like they won 

1905
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,520
because Tyler and Timmy are like
dancing outside of their car, 

1906
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,640
pushing it to the gas station. 
Of them like they get out of the

1907
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,240
car as it's just like because 
they're pushing it right. 

1908
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:38,520
So it's going super slow and 
they're just like singing to 

1909
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,440
each other with all the money. 
They're so excited. 

1910
01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:41,240
Yeah, it's. 
Great. 

1911
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,640
And then the white guys pull up 
in their jock and it turns into 

1912
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,120
like what you're what you're 
about to witness? 

1913
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,600
So like 2 guys get murdered by 
these dudes. 

1914
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:50,320
Gas station blows up. 
Gas station blows up. 

1915
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,640
Somehow the dog escapes or falls
out. 

1916
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:56,200
One of the small moments of 
empathy we see Timmy's character

1917
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,320
have where he's, like, go back 
for the dog. 

1918
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:00,720
Yeah. 
And like doesn't at the same 

1919
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:06,360
time is not like kind of it's 
not setting into him that he 

1920
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:10,880
ruined Tyler's character's like 
cab, which is the way he makes 

1921
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,280
money for his family. 
Right, because the secret part 

1922
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,960
of that empathy, that is a 
moment of empathy or humanism of

1923
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,720
the character. 
There's a humanity to Marty in 

1924
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,840
that moment. 
It's also wrapped in transaction

1925
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,280
because he like sees the dog as 
a representation of like 

1926
01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:25,280
potential more money he can make
exactly assuming he wants to. 

1927
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,520
Keep the dog, the cash, the. 
Plan already started. 

1928
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,480
I think once he saw the cash in 
the bag he was like, I could 

1929
01:32:29,480 --> 01:32:31,880
keep this dog, try to get more 
money off this guy. 

1930
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,600
Turn this dog into $1,000,000. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1931
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:38,200
And so Tyler, like, explodes on 
Marty. 

1932
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:39,640
He's like, you're fucking my 
life up. 

1933
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,120
I have responsibilities. 
Forget about the fucking dog. 

1934
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,080
After that, Marty crashes at the
ping pong gym because he's 

1935
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:46,920
nowhere to stay. 
Sleeps upstairs. 

1936
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:50,360
By the way love, I wish we got 
more time at this like ping pong

1937
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:51,560
gym I. 
Like how he knows everybody. 

1938
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,080
I like how they all know him. 
Yeah, that that sequence in 

1939
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,320
particular really reminded me of
Color of Money, like in the 

1940
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:58,160
upstairs. 
Boxing movies too. 

1941
01:32:58,160 --> 01:32:59,280
Yeah, school hall. 
Oh, yeah. 

1942
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:00,960
Just there. 
It's always like an upstairs 

1943
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,240
gym. 
That's so true. 

1944
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,600
Yeah. 
But I mean, I, I love like the 

1945
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:08,400
opening of the movie where just 
show me how something works. 

1946
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:13,720
Like show me the in and out 
practical days of like the 

1947
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:17,480
everyone playing all these 
matches in this kind of like 

1948
01:33:17,480 --> 01:33:20,280
warehouse situation at the very 
beginning of like keeping the 

1949
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:24,000
clock and like the keeping score
between this. 

1950
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,320
Like it felt kind of like how I 
see chess in different movies 

1951
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,040
where everyone's like playing 
their own game and there's like 

1952
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:33,120
a clock and stuff. 
But I love the those types of 

1953
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,160
sequences and sports movies. 
Great Chess is another one. 

1954
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,320
Queen's Gambit did a number on 
us during the pandemic. 

1955
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:44,120
Great show. 
Wish it was a movie after that. 

1956
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:45,640
Yeah. 
So he crashes at this gym. 

1957
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,800
Odessa's character is there. 
She has a black eye. 

1958
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:55,720
And it is shocking, right? 
Because you're thinking, well, 

1959
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:56,960
maybe that's not what's 
shocking. 

1960
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,760
What's shocking, I guess, is the
reveal that the black eye is not

1961
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:01,440
real. 
Yeah, I think that's the 

1962
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:04,960
shocking reveal, sort of because
I think I I think I turned to 

1963
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,480
you and been like, pretty sure 
this is fake leaning into what 

1964
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,360
this movie is all about 
hustlers. 

1965
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,720
And like, this is going to be a 
gendered hustle from the POV of 

1966
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,280
this filmmaker, right? 
In which it, you know, obviously

1967
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:18,840
is problematic. 
And we can talk about that. 

1968
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,360
When yeah, when you said that's 
because you leaned in and and 

1969
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,280
said that and I was like, no way
someone would do that in 2025. 

1970
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,320
Like even if it's even if it's 
within the movie. 

1971
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:31,240
So do you want to? 
There's a safty woman problem 

1972
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:35,960
and and all of their films, I 
think the smashing machine plus 

1973
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,080
this being in theaters only a 
month or two apart from one 

1974
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:39,440
another. 
But we can also bring up uncut 

1975
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:42,800
gems in this conversation. 
Odessa's character and Marty 

1976
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:48,160
Supreme is is underwritten. 
She finally gets a moment here 

1977
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,400
where we think we're going to 
learn more about her character. 

1978
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,760
Unfortunately, it's at the hands
of like domestic abuse. 

1979
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,320
But then we realize or it's 
revealed to us about halfway 

1980
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,640
through the film or maybe like 
hour 45 into that. 

1981
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:02,760
That's her hustle, right, Right.
Turns out to be fake, and it's 

1982
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,800
incredibly frustrating because 
basically the one big reveal 

1983
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:10,040
about her character is rooted in
pretending to be. 

1984
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,280
Is yeah rooted in like this like
stereotype of women? 

1985
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:14,880
Lying about gender. 
Use. 

1986
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,720
Yeah, which is insane. 
And like, I think people, you 

1987
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,720
know, might have the take of 
like, oh, you're taking this too

1988
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:23,480
seriously. 
It is a movie about hustling and

1989
01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:25,520
maybe in a gender context, but 
blah, blah, blah. 

1990
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:29,200
OK, doesn't matter. 
It is actually like the most 

1991
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:34,440
insane thing to have character 
who's a woman in a movie in 

1992
01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:38,120
2025, regardless of when it was 
set, have a black eye that she 

1993
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:42,600
painted on herself and play into
the idea of like women as 

1994
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:46,080
manipulate, manipulative or like
lying figures when. 

1995
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,120
Who weaponize their innocence, 
faking victimhood. 

1996
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:53,320
When there are actual like, just
first of all, like not movies 

1997
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:57,400
made about women or like, you 
know, and, and, and also the, 

1998
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,200
the idea of like domestic 
violence not being taken 

1999
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:03,640
seriously or understanding like 
why women might not report like 

2000
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,320
domestic violence and how that 
like comes into or that's like a

2001
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,360
very complicated situation in 
terms of like women having 

2002
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,600
access to their own like 
financial stability, right? 

2003
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:18,680
Like so to have that included in
your movie #1 is like a huge red

2004
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,480
flag is like, who is the person 
making this movie? 

2005
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:26,440
And you can just say like it, 
it's just a movie and it worked 

2006
01:36:26,440 --> 01:36:29,680
within the plot again. 
But I, I think that we're kind 

2007
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:33,120
of past the point as audiences 
in terms of what we're consuming

2008
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:38,040
to not have a critical stance 
towards that and not ask more 

2009
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,880
for like, why do we have movies 
that are made about men, even 

2010
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:45,480
boyish men that were kind of 
like sort of satirizing or like 

2011
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:50,360
making fun of in this vein of 
Marty Supreme, but still have 

2012
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:53,080
something like this show up, 
which is insane to me. 

2013
01:36:53,480 --> 01:36:59,600
And I, and it's obviously like a
possible like safty problem. 

2014
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:03,040
Other other male directors, by 
the way, do have like a woman 

2015
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:04,720
problem that we've talked about 
where? 

2016
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:08,200
Male directors in this genre in 
particular in like the American 

2017
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:10,160
Cautionary Tales where says he's
had this issue in his 

2018
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:11,760
filmography. 
PTA has had this issue in his 

2019
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,160
filmography. 
Chazelle even like that's. 

2020
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,200
What? 
We've talked about this, right, 

2021
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:20,120
But like, if we're just like 
talking about the the Safdie 

2022
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,680
universe right now, it's 
obviously very telling that the 

2023
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:26,640
Emily Blunt character in 
smashing Machine, which is 

2024
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,680
what's the other Safdie 
brothers, Benny. 

2025
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:32,160
Benny Josh and Benny Safdie, 
Yeah. 

2026
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:35,560
And then in Josh's movie here, 
right where we have like the 

2027
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:40,560
Odessa and then the Gwyneth 
Paltrow characters, but 

2028
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,040
specifically in Smashing 
Machine. 

2029
01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:47,600
It's insane. 
It was like. 

2030
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,240
A movie. 
A movie that has its. 

2031
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:51,000
Strength. 
I also don't want to like spoil 

2032
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,320
it. 
I'm not going to spoil it, but 

2033
01:37:53,480 --> 01:37:56,720
number one, it's interesting. 
It's a sports movie too, right? 

2034
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,960
Like Marty Supreme and. 
It's an anti sports movie. 

2035
01:37:59,960 --> 01:38:02,000
Exactly. 
It's looking at like similar 

2036
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:06,720
kind of things where we're 
expecting maybe more or so in 

2037
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:09,800
the smashing machine, expecting 
like certain tropes to show up 

2038
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:13,120
in the sports movie that it 
actually is subversive with. 

2039
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:16,720
And it has an interesting kind 
of like meditation on 

2040
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:20,840
masculinity specifically and how
the public like frames the Rock,

2041
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,360
you know, playing a sort of UFC 
fighter. 

2042
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:26,560
And so that is interesting. 
But the way that Emily Blunt's 

2043
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:30,040
character is framed is wild. 
Everyone. 

2044
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,040
It is a wild. 
It is giving. 

2045
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:35,280
I don't know any women in my 
life truly. 

2046
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,720
It's like I maybe only knew my 
mom and like she didn't she 

2047
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,200
didn't tell me like what was 
going on totally in her life 

2048
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:42,560
because she felt like I couldn't
handle it. 

2049
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,000
You know what I mean? 
Like this is it was like 

2050
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:48,040
shocking, like it it was 
essential. 

2051
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,080
It it feels like well. 
I felt like there was a point 

2052
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,920
being made-up until like an hour
and 15 into the movie, and then 

2053
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,800
there's a turn that happens 
where it takes a side of the two

2054
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,480
characters in the film and it's 
not Emily Blunt's character 

2055
01:38:59,480 --> 01:39:01,560
side. 
You're like, oh fuck. 

2056
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,960
But, and I think I felt this way
too in like we walked out of the

2057
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,600
movie right out of Murray 
Supreme and and we both said 

2058
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,960
like, I really liked it. 
Obviously, Timmy's performance 

2059
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,200
was phenomenal. 
It's the best part of the movie.

2060
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,200
It might be better than the. 
Movie, the performance, I think.

2061
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:17,840
I think that is totally true. 
It might be better. 

2062
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:19,760
Than the tools of cinema being 
used in the film which is the. 

2063
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,160
Movie was exciting and to catch 
me if you can vain. 

2064
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:26,280
It's not the like total genre of
movie that we love, even though 

2065
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:28,960
we love a subversive sports 
film. 

2066
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:31,080
I like its ideas though that 
we're going to get to at the 

2067
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,760
end. 
Yeah, or a subversive, again, 

2068
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:37,160
like meritocracy film. 
So like, it has things that we 

2069
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:42,200
like, but ultimately I think 
that there's a type of humor 

2070
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:48,720
that feels so like boyish that 
is in the same like line of or 

2071
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:53,560
path of manchild comedy that our
generation grew up with in the 

2072
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:57,120
Adam Sandler kind of, you know, 
like movies, Will Ferrell. 

2073
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:59,760
Yeah, exactly. 
So I think that type of humor 

2074
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,720
just like never really like 
clicked with me. 

2075
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,800
Growing up and I think I saw a 
lot of like young boys who were 

2076
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:11,120
in like in in social positions 
of power that they didn't really

2077
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:15,360
like understand, didn't kind of 
like weaponize. 

2078
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:18,280
And I know that sounds weird to 
say because it's just like 

2079
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,040
comedies like step brothers. 
We're also. 

2080
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,320
Educators so. 
We're yeah, like we like this is

2081
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,240
an observation that has been 
happening. 

2082
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:26,760
Yeah. 
The since I was like younger 

2083
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,680
also as a professional, like 
just viewing how like young kids

2084
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,680
operate and and socialize like 
with each other, but like 

2085
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:37,400
weaponizing different things 
that are seen as comedy in terms

2086
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:41,120
of like sexist or racist 
comments and then using them so 

2087
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:43,720
that they can be distanced. 
And it's just a quote UN quote 

2088
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:48,440
joke is something that I think 
like is repurposed in a 

2089
01:40:48,440 --> 01:40:54,600
different way in these movies in
terms of at least smarty supreme

2090
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:59,080
with like the the boyish humor 
that I just don't like click 

2091
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:00,360
with. 
Like I think that I wasn't 

2092
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:03,600
laughing at and I, and I think 
people could argue like, Oh 

2093
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:06,400
well, that humor is supposed to 
like make you feel uncomfortable

2094
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:09,400
and have a a role to play in the
movie. 

2095
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,000
But I do think there is also 
there's something else 

2096
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:15,480
underneath of it of like 
thinking that also, like, 

2097
01:41:15,480 --> 01:41:19,000
Timmy's character is maybe like,
interesting or funny or like 

2098
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,960
some of the jokes that are made 
that they are like a funny. 

2099
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:23,960
Yeah. 
Like, they're, they're like, not

2100
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:25,720
funny. 
But then there's a second layer 

2101
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,360
of it being like, Can you 
believe it? 

2102
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,400
Can you believe they said this? 
Right, Right. 

2103
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:32,280
That kind of idea of like, oh, 
he said, you know, something 

2104
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:35,160
he's not supposed to say. 
That type of humor is not like, 

2105
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,560
I'm not asking for what people 
would think is like sanitized 

2106
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:40,720
films. 
Like I want to see real people 

2107
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,800
on screen and I want to see 
people who are, you know, like 

2108
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:50,480
we we like movies that show that
people like are socialized and 

2109
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:51,960
and do terrible things like 
that. 

2110
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:56,120
You know, but it's in the in the
kind of like, it's really like 

2111
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:59,840
difficult to explain, but in the
like kind of guys are like film 

2112
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:05,040
of like of humor. 
It gets like complicated. 

2113
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:08,000
And I also just don't think it's
like, interesting. 

2114
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:11,520
That's the big point for me. 
I think this is a a big issue I 

2115
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,200
have with critics who love this 
kind of humor or even some 

2116
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,920
things like the the PTA film 
that I think is maybe the best 

2117
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:20,120
movie of the year and one bad 
after another that has some like

2118
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,520
Christmas adventure stuff that I
felt like was like out of town 

2119
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,680
with the rest of the movie. 
Kind of speaks to what you're 

2120
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:27,160
saying. 
A lot of the jokes in Uncut Gems

2121
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:30,400
speaks to what you're saying. 
And also Marty Supreme, my 

2122
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:31,600
thing. 
This is a classic thing. 

2123
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,920
I've said so much on our podcast
that I feel bad repeating it so 

2124
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,640
many times. 
Just because you can identify 

2125
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:39,800
that something is subversive and
transgressive and intentionally 

2126
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,000
so. 
Intention does not equate 

2127
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:44,400
success. 
Like attention does not mean 

2128
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,000
effectiveness. 
Does that make sense? 

2129
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,360
Like, yeah, so I, I feel like 
I've said it so many times or 

2130
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:50,680
something to that effect. 
Just because you can identify 

2131
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,880
and locate, oh, there is an 
intentional second layer here or

2132
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,640
third layer does not make that 
fucking thing interesting. 

2133
01:42:57,320 --> 01:42:58,040
Yeah. 
Do you know what I mean? 

2134
01:42:58,040 --> 01:42:59,200
Like. 
It's you're not able to like 

2135
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:00,800
have a grasp on it. 
Yeah. 

2136
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:02,440
And it doesn't mean that you 
shouldn't like. 

2137
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,600
Maybe like try it in. 
A or or. 

2138
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,520
My point is like, just just 
because it was intentional to 

2139
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,400
not make Kitty Oppenheimer a 
main character in Oppenheimer, 

2140
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:14,640
doesn't make it a good thing. 
Doesn't make it good that you 

2141
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,640
can locate that there was an 
intention from the artist. 

2142
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:18,880
She's actually not a character 
because she wasn't a character 

2143
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,840
in Oppenheimer's life. 
Yeah, it's a part of his 

2144
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,840
character journey that she's 
absent, and so she has to be 

2145
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:27,160
absent from the story we're 
telling and this fiction. 

2146
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:31,440
Yeah, I hate those people. 
I think they're honest. 

2147
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:33,880
I do hate them intellectually, 
like those critics especially 

2148
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:36,120
like they're my least favorite. 
People I I also think that 

2149
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:42,160
there's something to this of 
kind of having a, a public film,

2150
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:45,040
I guess in the film space 
perception of like, isn't this 

2151
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,040
interesting? 
Isn't this a subversive film or 

2152
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:50,720
like doing something different 
and like, yes, tonally, visually

2153
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:56,080
maybe, but in terms of like the 
humor, it feels like really 

2154
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:59,080
dated. 
Not in the same way, right? 

2155
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:00,600
I can't exactly put my finger on
it. 

2156
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,120
I think we. 
Talked about this with Eddington

2157
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,160
go back on this with Eddington 
episode, which people hate that 

2158
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:07,280
episode by the way. 
Like I mean people are very loud

2159
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:09,400
about how much they disagree 
with us about Eddington, even 

2160
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,320
though it's a movie we like and 
our master as a film maker we 

2161
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,040
love. 
There's like a couple scenes in 

2162
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:15,480
there where like you know 
Joaquin Phoenix shouts out like 

2163
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:19,040
a like a slur a dad shouts A 
shouts out a slur to his kid at 

2164
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:21,320
a dinner table and our whole 
crowd is laughing. 

2165
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:24,440
And just because the intention 
is to provoke or be subversive 

2166
01:44:24,440 --> 01:44:27,800
does not mean that that is a 
thing that we should explore 

2167
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:30,280
because it's interesting or and 
so like, it's a you. 

2168
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:32,880
Mean like, well, but unless it's
successful is what you're 

2169
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:36,760
saying, like it's not something 
that you should like, maybe like

2170
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,160
save it for your next movie when
you feel like you figured out 

2171
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:42,200
figured out how to position it 
in a way that makes an 

2172
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:46,560
interesting, not just you're 
you're a mirror to the audience.

2173
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:48,800
And then you don't say anything 
about it interesting in your 

2174
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:50,800
press run. 
And then it's just quite 

2175
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:55,560
literally like seeing shit that 
happens that is outside of the 

2176
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:57,960
screen on screen without 
anything interesting to say. 

2177
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:00,320
But you're acting like you 
didn't have something 

2178
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:01,880
interesting to say by just 
putting it there. 

2179
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:04,280
Yeah, I mean this. 
I think to me, this is always 

2180
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:07,200
this conversation always goes 
back to my mind, to Tropic 

2181
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:09,840
Thunder and like arguing with 
kids at middle school tables. 

2182
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:10,920
I've never seen Tropic Thunder 
I. 

2183
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:13,920
Remember being like cafeteria 
tables like at like 2 days in 

2184
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,400
football practice, like arguing 
with like, or maybe it was like 

2185
01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:19,560
freshman or sophomore or high 
school arguing with kids my age 

2186
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:21,600
about Tropic Thunder being 
problematic. 

2187
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,120
And I was that an annoying kid. 
I was like, now this movie, this

2188
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:26,120
movie is wrong. 
And I was, and I was saying like

2189
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:29,120
it's basically people and I saw 
kids my age do this, especially 

2190
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:32,080
boys all the time. 
I'm not being racist, I'm making

2191
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:34,560
fun of racist people. 
I'm not being sexist. 

2192
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,080
I'm making fun of sexist people.
And I'm like, that's just a 

2193
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,760
disguise for you to be sexist 
and racist. 

2194
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:40,800
And it's very white. 
It's a very white person thing 

2195
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:41,920
to do. 
And if you're in white circles 

2196
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,160
enough, you hear white people do
it, especially in liberal 

2197
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:45,480
circles. 
It's done a lot. 

2198
01:45:45,480 --> 01:45:47,680
A lot of like quoting movies. 
Yeah. 

2199
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:51,600
Anyways, so that's that's I 
think are a bit about the the 

2200
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:55,480
how women are treated in the 
Marty Supreme film, but also and

2201
01:45:55,480 --> 01:45:58,560
the safety project at large. 
And if you do watch smashing 

2202
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:02,600
machine, just like the the scene
where it does turn, I like did 

2203
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:06,280
it to Trey this morning as a 
joke because it's like really 

2204
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:08,320
wild there. 
Yeah. 

2205
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:11,720
Anyway, it paints like kind of 
the Emily Blunt character as a a

2206
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:15,560
manipulative villain, very in a 
very gendered way. 

2207
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:21,520
And here, though, like I would 
say that the boy fantasy of of 

2208
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:25,800
women hustling quote UN quote in
their own way, which is, you 

2209
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:29,800
know, fucked up and just like a 
stupid thing to put in a movie. 

2210
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:33,800
But the the second thing that I 
brought up earlier, the like 

2211
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:37,400
Gwyneth Paltrow kind of like 
fantasy of like the shower sex 

2212
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:41,240
scene, even though it was 
purposely like, you know, not 

2213
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:45,200
very romantic or whatever is 
like an it's just like a 

2214
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:49,320
insulting image. 
Like for a woman of like this 

2215
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:52,960
like age and this like status, 
like, yes, we can make an 

2216
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:56,960
interesting comment on like why 
she's even in this room and how 

2217
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:03,080
like she maybe doesn't feel like
valued whatever, like, but like 

2218
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:06,320
that's not made. 
Do you know what I mean? 

2219
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:08,880
So that's kind of like an 
example of what it was. 

2220
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,440
Played like a sex scene from 
Menorah, basically, yeah. 

2221
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:12,920
By the way, the Safdies would 
love. 

2222
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:15,880
They would love to have made a 
Nora that feels like they're. 

2223
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:16,920
That's so true. 
Yeah. 

2224
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:21,240
It does feel, yeah, Yeah, I 
think Sean Baker and the and the

2225
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:23,920
Safdies are like an interesting 
comparison. 

2226
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:25,720
Yeah, it definitely feels like 
Safdies are doing more. 

2227
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:27,480
So like a Scorsese. 
I'm curious of. 

2228
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:31,400
Grittiness like a casino? 
What? 

2229
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:33,680
I'm curious to know if Sean 
Baker would like the Safdies. 

2230
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:35,160
I don't know if you'd like their
humor. 

2231
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:37,480
He seems. 
To like people on the ground 

2232
01:47:37,480 --> 01:47:40,280
level too much like people who 
have been other than society 

2233
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:43,560
being like the that's a really 
looking on the outside. 

2234
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:45,920
End yeah, when when and I think 
it's actually a really good 

2235
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,600
comparison because when you look
at you know a film like Florida 

2236
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:54,680
project and you know again, like
we we talked about on our 

2237
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:58,480
Florida project Patreon episode 
of like yes, he is a white guy 

2238
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:03,320
like going into communities and 
like making stories like off of 

2239
01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:05,560
their stories. 
But like he makes a point to 

2240
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,920
like live in the communities, 
like essentially kind of do like

2241
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:13,720
mini ethnographies, like 
interviews like and and tries to

2242
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:17,760
use like non trained actors and.
Is like an academic 

2243
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:21,520
documentarian. 
Project is a good example or or 

2244
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:23,720
like starlet is like a good 
example, right of like 

2245
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:28,840
humanizing people that tangerine
yeah and and but like still 

2246
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:33,960
keeping particularly in Florida.
Project A sort of, it's not like

2247
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:38,120
grittiness or whatever, but like
essentially what that people 

2248
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:40,320
would call a grittiness in the 
Safdie films. 

2249
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:43,840
No, 100% yeah, while still 
humanizing people who are 

2250
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:47,600
otherwise like Safdie movies, 
not humanized like Woman in the 

2251
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,080
Periphery often like Shawn Baker
does a good job with that. 

2252
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,040
We did talk about. 
How that complicated in Nora, I 

2253
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:55,840
think Julia Fox is like maybe 
the perfect example to to look 

2254
01:48:55,840 --> 01:49:00,080
at and that like right, like the
how the Julia Fox character was 

2255
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,080
positioned in the in Unka gems 
verse. 

2256
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:08,280
How in Nora, Annie or Annie I 
forgot right is position in in 

2257
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:13,160
Anora? 
Anyways, OK, so Odessa after 

2258
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:16,720
finding out that the domestic 
abuse was quote UN quote faked, 

2259
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:18,800
Marty flips out, tells her to 
leave. 

2260
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:23,080
He I think he also adds that he 
beat up her husband, which we 

2261
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,520
think we skipped over. 
He took a trophy from his 

2262
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:29,080
childhood home, beat up, you 
know, his childhood sweethearts 

2263
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:32,880
husband. 
Like I thought pretty brutally. 

2264
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:34,840
I thought he killed him. 
I was like, oh, this just went 

2265
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:37,200
Goodfellas, you know, we're 
like, you know, Ray Leoto gets 

2266
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:39,360
the gun in his hand and he goes 
across the street. 

2267
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:45,000
One of my favorite scenes and 
Odessa tries to. 

2268
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:49,560
Wait in the car. 
Odessa tries to run her own scam

2269
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,800
right She they do a good phone 
call sequence where she gets to 

2270
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,200
like talk on the phone, but and 
she's like I. 

2271
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,680
Want the money before we get the
dog? 

2272
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:58,240
Right. 
She goes by herself herself. 

2273
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,480
This time, though, she's trying 
to make good, I think, for what 

2274
01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:03,280
happened. 
Marty and the dog ransom plot 

2275
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:05,840
works against her. 
She gets abducted and Marty has 

2276
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,000
to rescue her. 
Pretty wild, a very meet the 

2277
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,800
parent situation trying to get a
new dog. 

2278
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,320
I don't know if you see meet the
parents, but it doesn't. 

2279
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:17,880
Yeah, getting, well, a huge pot 
of meet the parents is Ben 

2280
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:19,520
Stiller. 
This is OK because I think 

2281
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:20,520
everyone has seen this movie 
now. 

2282
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:24,680
Ben Stiller loses Robert De 
Niro's beloved cat. 

2283
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,960
Who's the newest Skylar Gazondo 
and Ariana Grande? 

2284
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,240
Amazing casting for Skylar 
Gazondo. 

2285
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:33,120
It's great for him. 
Yeah, I I can't wait. 

2286
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:38,560
OK, but back to the dog scheme. 
I feel like this is a great 

2287
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:43,400
example of what the the Safti 
brothers did such a great job 

2288
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,760
with, like Inunca Gems for 
example, and even like the 

2289
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:50,840
Smashing Machine has elements of
this but in just a different 

2290
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:52,360
subversive way. 
I would say that. 

2291
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:55,960
And I know obviously like two 
different brothers, right? 

2292
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:58,360
Like two different visions. 
But it's really interesting to 

2293
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:01,760
see that these were the 2 movies
that are made after and they're 

2294
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,800
kind of like sensibilities going
off in two different directions 

2295
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:08,400
where it feels like Marty 
Supreme is very much more so in 

2296
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,040
the Uncut Gems. 
Right. 

2297
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:15,280
Electricity maximalism. 
Yeah, They both have a similar 

2298
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,000
visual palette, similar interest
in Cynthia. 

2299
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,480
Cynthia scores in masculinity 
studies. 

2300
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,720
Yes, that's true. 
But and and also, I guess what I

2301
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:29,440
was a long way of saying 
creating a problem that then 

2302
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:32,760
like you create the solution to 
which was very Uncut Gems, very 

2303
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:37,720
Marty Supreme, very this dog 
situation, not as much in 

2304
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:42,520
smashing machine, but in an 
interesting way. 

2305
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,680
The genre creates the problem 
like there's like something 

2306
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:49,160
interesting happening. 
Yeah, it's it's more a movie 

2307
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:52,000
blaming systems for how they 
reproduce inequalities with 

2308
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,120
individuals. 
Yeah, but rather than blaming 

2309
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:55,640
individuals, which sometimes 
sports films do. 

2310
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:57,320
Sure. 
But at the end is not like 

2311
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:00,520
totally aware of that anyway. 
But we can talk about that on 

2312
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,200
our end of your episode, 
ironically. 

2313
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:06,520
Kind of. 
Shocking moment at the end of 

2314
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:07,600
smashing the. 
Sheep. 

2315
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:09,400
I feel like I might as well 
fucking say it at this point. 

2316
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:12,160
I whatever, we'll just move on. 
We got move on. 

2317
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:17,160
OK. 
So OK, dog situation shoot out. 

2318
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:20,120
So he goes to rescue. 
Thank you. 

2319
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:26,680
He goes to rescue Odessa's 
character and I think he wait, 

2320
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:29,200
does he go to rescue? 
I don't think he finds out quite

2321
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:29,840
yet. 
He goes him. 

2322
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:32,840
And Jessa are like going to find
a dog trying to figure out the 

2323
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,480
situation. 
They find the house, the guy 

2324
01:52:35,480 --> 01:52:37,320
tries to shoot at them, they 
leave. 

2325
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:40,320
Eventually he goes to visit 
Gwyneth Paltrow's character 

2326
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:42,600
again. 
He does now, starring in some 

2327
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:45,760
kind of like Off Broadway vanity
project funded by her husband, 

2328
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:49,360
unbeknownst to her, Her husband 
again being Kevin O'Leary. 

2329
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:53,400
Marty tries to seduce her 
because he's after money. 

2330
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:57,560
He wants her necklace, which is 
why the sex scene happens as a 

2331
01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:59,480
tool. 
But then a woman being used as a

2332
01:52:59,480 --> 01:53:03,280
tool, again, a safety issue or I
guess like the objectification 

2333
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:07,920
of a woman as a tool. 
And he gets the necklace, 

2334
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,720
realizes that it's just a 
theater pop, which is a great. 

2335
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:12,480
Bit. 
When the guy comes in and gets 

2336
01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:21,160
it and he's like. 
And he's crushed from that. 

2337
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:24,760
He goes back to Gwen's Gwyneth's
house to see her for her big 

2338
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:26,600
party. 
Well, he goes, no, he goes to 

2339
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:30,360
see her before she goes on and 
turns the necklace which she 

2340
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:33,320
clocks, which is funny of like, 
you know, you, you probably 

2341
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:35,680
realize this was a prop necklace
and then like brought it back to

2342
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:36,480
me. 
Yeah, she's like, you're not a 

2343
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:39,400
good actor, which is funny. 
And then they go for a walk in 

2344
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:40,600
Central Park. 
They have sex. 

2345
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:43,880
Some cops think he's assaulting 
her, so then they are, which is 

2346
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:47,200
also a strange choice. 
And then they give the necklace 

2347
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,400
to the cops to basically you 
tell them to. 

2348
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:52,320
Go keep them quiet too, because 
otherwise also like people find 

2349
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:53,200
out. 
Be in the news. 

2350
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:57,040
Yeah, whatever. 
And they go back to the house. 

2351
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:00,360
She's reeling from the bad 
reviews, so she can't bring down

2352
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:03,560
another necklace to him. 
And he goes upstairs. 

2353
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:08,240
And this is where we see Kevin 
O'Leary for the first time. 

2354
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:13,160
In a minute, Marty's desperate 
sort of evil Jonah Hill meets 

2355
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:15,480
Leo DiCaprio with a Wall Street 
moment where he's like, I'll 

2356
01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:18,320
come work for you for free, 
Which is one of my favorite 

2357
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:22,440
scenes ever in movies, is when 
Jonah shows Jonah's performance 

2358
01:54:22,440 --> 01:54:27,120
is insane in that movie. 
And this is where, you know, the

2359
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:31,200
mask, the confident mask of 
Marty Supreme drops, right? 

2360
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:35,280
And Marty is like begging Kevin 
to sponsor him one last time or 

2361
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:36,560
whatever his character's name 
is. 

2362
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:39,600
And he says he'll do anything. 
And Kevin O'leary's character's 

2363
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:43,760
like cool let me spank you, 
obviously, which sounds absurd, 

2364
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:48,680
but it is thematically perfect. 
And it was also funny to see 

2365
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:51,000
Timothy Chalamet's little like 
white man ass. 

2366
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:54,880
On the screen was I was like, is
this a, you know, a double like 

2367
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,160
this? 
I thought for sure it was, but 

2368
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:58,040
there was a shot that looked 
like it was impossible. 

2369
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:00,080
I mean, I guess they could have 
composited it in the ass on 

2370
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:01,600
there. 
I think that I think that is 

2371
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:05,240
common in Hollywood, yeah. 
But it wasn't like a it wasn't. 

2372
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:07,680
It just looked like a butt. 
Does that make sense to me? 

2373
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:09,320
It was like, why would you even 
composite 1? 

2374
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:14,320
Anyways, I loved this moment 
thematically because of this 

2375
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:17,320
script to me has been like 
pretty like, OK, there's a lot 

2376
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,040
of like this happens and that 
happens. 

2377
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:21,400
And this is the first time where
I was like, OK, generational 

2378
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:22,840
dominance, we're getting 
somewhere. 

2379
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:26,040
The older generation wanting to 
humiliate the younger one for 

2380
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:27,960
sport. 
What is this younger 1 going to 

2381
01:55:27,960 --> 01:55:29,840
do to the next generation as a 
result? 

2382
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:32,520
And so Kevin isn't just like. 
Funding. 

2383
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:34,240
That's a hazing process. 
Yeah, exactly. 

2384
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:36,520
He's hazing him, he's molding 
him, he's breaking him. 

2385
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:39,400
It's upsetting, but it's also a 
thesis of the movie that we'll 

2386
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:40,720
come back to at the end with the
baby. 

2387
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:44,520
It also really reminded me of 
the Brutalist last year cause 

2388
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:48,120
similar story in terms of like 
Jewish American assimilation, 

2389
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:54,120
the cost of capitalism and the 
way that pretty Corbet's film 

2390
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:57,600
looks at Adrien Brody's 
character and how he's assaulted

2391
01:55:58,120 --> 01:56:02,120
metaphorically and literally by 
the rich, the elites and as he's

2392
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:04,920
the labor. 
That movie mishandles what it 

2393
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:08,160
chooses to do with assault. 
There's this movie actually does

2394
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:10,920
it in a light hearted way that 
is still somatically poignant 

2395
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:14,800
and like interesting and deep. 
And it's still like, on the 

2396
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:18,280
surface maybe doesn't seem super
violent, but it is like violent.

2397
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:20,880
Very violent, yeah. 
Like, yeah, but you know what I 

2398
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,600
mean in the characters, like 
point of view, it's something 

2399
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,760
that they're almost we we kind 
of think about them like writing

2400
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:28,760
off as like, this is just 
something that I had to do to 

2401
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:31,840
like, move ahead. 
But like, is a violent 

2402
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:32,640
experience. 
Yeah. 

2403
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:35,400
Right. 
You might have said it once, but

2404
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:38,120
I think you said that Timothy 
Chalamet is just like hot boy 

2405
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:41,120
Michael Cera. 
Did you say that or did I say? 

2406
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,200
That I don't know. 
I I don't think I've said that. 

2407
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:46,640
One of us sat down and I and I 
think that's right. 

2408
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:49,040
And I realized it when I saw his
scrawny ass in this. 

2409
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:51,280
I just want to note that of 
being like, oh, he really is 

2410
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:52,720
just like hot boy Michael Cera. 
Yeah. 

2411
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:54,200
Because like a super bad came 
out today. 

2412
01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:56,160
He will be like Michael Cera. 
Starve Dune. 

2413
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,000
But Michael, I've said this 
before, but the Michael Cera 

2414
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:03,880
Cera VE just like marketing 
again, I know we've been talking

2415
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:06,880
about like the the marketing of 
Timmy, but like cannot be 

2416
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,280
understated for what Michael 
Cera his moves that he is 

2417
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:10,360
making. 
Love, Sarah. 

2418
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:15,000
Love him. 
So Marty goes to rescue Odessa 

2419
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:17,720
that night. 
There's a lot of fake money, 

2420
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:21,920
gunfire, more dog theft. 
Gets Odessa to the hospital 

2421
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:23,080
'cause she was shot in the 
shoulder. 

2422
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:24,920
It's a good action sequence. 
It is, Yeah. 

2423
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:27,320
In terms of the gun firing, this
is really the main action 

2424
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:30,560
sequence of the movie. 
He leaves her at the hospital. 

2425
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:31,960
She's pregnant in a hospital 
bed. 

2426
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:33,160
But I think they said she's 
going to be fine. 

2427
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:35,080
Or if they do or not, he's going
to leave regardless. 

2428
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:39,080
Yeah, he is like emotionally 
devastated though, So again, 

2429
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:40,760
bringing his humanity back to 
him, which is going to be 

2430
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:42,160
important in about 20 minutes 
from now. 

2431
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:47,800
And he goes on a plane to Japan,
the jet from Kevin O'Leary, and 

2432
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:50,080
he is going to the ping pong 
competition. 

2433
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:53,360
Right, this kind of like the 
exhibition pen? 

2434
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:55,840
Yeah, the. 
The ballpoint pen, Yeah, 

2435
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,720
Marketing campaign, hopefully it
worked, I guess. 

2436
01:57:58,720 --> 01:57:59,800
Actually, hopefully not. 
I don't know. 

2437
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:03,680
And it's a great match. 
It's a It's a great sequence, 

2438
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:06,080
maybe the best sequence of the 
movie. 

2439
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:09,040
Yeah, we have to say before this
too, we find out, right? 

2440
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:12,880
He the whole reason he's going 
is to like enter the world 

2441
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:15,160
championship, right? 
And he just thinks that if he 

2442
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:17,840
makes it over, there will be 
like a spot waiting for him. 

2443
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:21,320
He was the runner up, finds out 
from the same guy that we meet 

2444
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:23,560
earlier who kind of like humbles
him and is like, why do you 

2445
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:25,200
think that you would get to stay
at the Ritz? 

2446
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:29,880
Like, why would we make special 
accommodations for you in terms 

2447
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:33,080
of like everyone else who's 
staying in the hostel with you? 

2448
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:37,280
And here he, you know, Timmy 
talks to the same guy, the same 

2449
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:41,640
guy's like, no, like all of the 
registration and scheduling is 

2450
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:44,560
like totally done for the 
brackets and stuff. 

2451
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:45,880
And he's like, we're not doing 
that. 

2452
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:49,520
So Timmy's going into this match
or into this kind of like fake, 

2453
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:54,560
you know, game with the idea 
that this is his one shot to 

2454
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:56,880
show that he's better than the 
guy who beat him. 

2455
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:00,400
And it's great on multiple 
fronts. 

2456
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:04,680
It's an incredible like metaphor
laced, you know, final showdown 

2457
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:09,840
with Marty and his like all 
brash American ego, cartoonishly

2458
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:12,560
egoistic. 
And then you have the more kind 

2459
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:16,880
of like the quiet, reserved 
Japanese champion who's also 

2460
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:20,120
just kind of a badass himself. 
And for Marty, obviously, ping 

2461
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:22,400
pong has been a hustle up into 
this point in his life. 

2462
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:25,200
It's become a brand for him. 
It's a lifestyle. 

2463
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:26,920
I think Xiaomi really related to
that. 

2464
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:31,080
But for the Japanese player, 
Marty starts to notice, but 

2465
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:33,200
especially the audience in the 
direction of this film, it's 

2466
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:36,120
really smart direction that for 
the Japanese player, this is 

2467
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:38,000
like a Nash. 
He's become a national symbol 

2468
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:42,040
and his performance means 
something to a country and 

2469
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:45,960
dealing with post war traumas in
19501951 whatever this is in the

2470
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:49,840
early 50s as they just lost 
their national identity right? 

2471
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:54,680
And Marty is just there to win 
because of insecurities at this 

2472
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:56,000
point 'cause he's not doing it 
for money. 

2473
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,040
There's not really an economic 
reason, even though you could 

2474
01:59:58,040 --> 02:00:00,600
argue there's like a social 
economic like motivation in his 

2475
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:03,680
childhood whatever, but and 
especially being an immigrant 

2476
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:05,920
and being a Jewish American. 
Yeah, there is an awareness, 

2477
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:11,440
right, of like his mom, like at 
one point the family friend is 

2478
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:13,840
like, you're not going to be 
able to provide for your mother.

2479
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:15,800
And he's like, I'm going to step
up, right. 

2480
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:22,360
So there is obviously like an 
awareness of the why he had feel

2481
02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:26,000
like he needs to like hustle, 
right, and not getting like, you

2482
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:30,080
know, certain opportunities 
having to like either choose 

2483
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:34,080
between like working for 
probably little pay right at a 

2484
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:37,760
shoe store or trying to like 
make it big. 

2485
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:42,080
But ultimately, like the movie 
is well, well, not ultimately 

2486
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:45,800
like I think yes, there is like 
a definitely awareness of the 

2487
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:49,640
movie that is looking at like 
Marty Mauser's story as a Jewish

2488
02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:53,880
immigrant, but like, and the 
limited opportunities that he 

2489
02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:55,920
has at this time in like New 
York. 

2490
02:00:56,240 --> 02:01:00,160
But at the same time, like the 
movie is doing a kind of like 

2491
02:01:00,160 --> 02:01:04,040
double through line or there are
two different paths where then 

2492
02:01:04,360 --> 02:01:08,360
on the other hand, the movie is 
using Marty as like Marty 

2493
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:14,680
Supreme as the idea of this like
American exceptionalism and 

2494
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:20,240
American kind of like idea of of
making it being on a Wheaties 

2495
02:01:20,240 --> 02:01:23,280
box myth of meritocracy, 
American dream. 

2496
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:25,120
So like the movie is doing both 
things. 

2497
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:28,720
But I think in this scene, this 
scene in particular, it's more 

2498
02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:32,560
so on that second path that that
we're talking about, especially 

2499
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:35,280
kind of like in the sports film 
genre. 

2500
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:40,360
Yeah, Marty Mauser trades in 
Mauser for Supreme and then 

2501
02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:43,280
loses not only his identity, but
like a a sense of like a 

2502
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:45,640
basically a sense of self. 
And so like this is a sad, 

2503
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:48,640
tragic loss for him even though 
he is up winning. 

2504
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:51,640
But the irony is that he is 
ultimately still in a privilege 

2505
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:54,040
situation, not just as a white 
man, but as a white American at 

2506
02:01:54,040 --> 02:01:57,600
this stage in American history. 
And so when he goes to defeat 

2507
02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:00,800
this man in Japan, it really 
underlines the post World War or

2508
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,240
two. 
You know, Japanese rebirth meets

2509
02:02:03,240 --> 02:02:06,320
the oncoming storm of American 
globalization and 

2510
02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:09,320
exceptionalism. 
Now in ping pong form, which is 

2511
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:11,000
the satire of it all, because 
it's ping pong. 

2512
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:13,680
And so it's kind of funny to use
ping pong instead of something, 

2513
02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:16,240
you know, different, a different
commodity, right? 

2514
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:20,520
That would underline that more 
effectively or more seriously. 

2515
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:23,400
So O'leary's like done with him 
because Marty wins. 

2516
02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:27,120
It's a great final match. 
And you know, Marty doesn't lose

2517
02:02:27,120 --> 02:02:29,480
like he was supposed to. 
And O'leary's like you're done. 

2518
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:31,800
Yeah. 
He's like, well, that was a 

2519
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:34,600
really good scene because Marty 
was like, I'm going to go out 

2520
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:36,480
there and win. 
And he's like, no, no, you don't

2521
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:38,880
understand. 
Like you're not just, like, done

2522
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:40,440
here. 
Like you don't get paid for this

2523
02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:42,600
gig, but like, you're done 
everywhere. 

2524
02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:44,040
Like I have connections. 
Yeah. 

2525
02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:47,520
Right, so we get the ending. 
He returns to Odessa. 

2526
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:50,120
She's had the baby. 
He sits beside her, basically in

2527
02:02:50,120 --> 02:02:52,000
silence. 
Wait, sorry, back up really 

2528
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:54,000
quick. 
This this scene emotionally I 

2529
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:58,640
think was like the best scene. 
Like best part of the 

2530
02:02:58,640 --> 02:03:01,680
performance for Timmy, like when
he kind of. 

2531
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:03,240
Take us on the military plane 
first. 

2532
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:05,440
Well, no. 
The military planes after this. 

2533
02:03:06,840 --> 02:03:08,680
The military plane. 
Wait, what? 

2534
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,440
I've I've meant the match 
itself, the military planes 

2535
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:12,560
after you. 
Oh, I thought you meant the 

2536
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:14,040
hospital scene was emotional. 
OK, the. 

2537
02:03:14,120 --> 02:03:16,120
Match was emotional, No. 
Oh, I didn't. 

2538
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:19,200
Yeah, I guess the the I thought 
it was a good performance, but I

2539
02:03:19,200 --> 02:03:21,360
didn't get emotional or anything
in the hospital scene. 

2540
02:03:21,400 --> 02:03:22,920
That was my favorite sequence of
the movie. 

2541
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:24,520
OK. 
Then let's go to my favorite 

2542
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:26,560
sequence of the movie before. 
The match we were talking about,

2543
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:28,720
that's. 
Chronological, but but when 

2544
02:03:28,720 --> 02:03:32,760
we're in the match and we have 
Timmy, you know, go through the 

2545
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:37,960
like I'm going to win to prove 
to myself because this won't be 

2546
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:40,320
now posted anywhere. 
I'm not in a competition that I 

2547
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:44,880
can beat this guy and and not 
having again, like the awareness

2548
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,080
of what this like match 
symbolizes. 

2549
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:50,760
But then again, it's like a 
second layer of this being in a 

2550
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:56,600
particular like exhibition 
environment of selling pens. 

2551
02:03:56,600 --> 02:04:00,440
So like there's also that, but 
like in the actual just match 

2552
02:04:00,440 --> 02:04:04,480
itself that you're talking about
like being wanting to. 

2553
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:08,200
It's very clear, right, That 
pens aside, selling pens aside 

2554
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:11,200
and the Kevin O'Leary character 
aside that in this match between

2555
02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:16,000
two like athletes, right, that 
he is kind of like unaware of 

2556
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:21,440
the the kind of politics like 
that are within this match and 

2557
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:24,360
wants to like win it to prove it
to himself. 

2558
02:04:25,120 --> 02:04:29,520
And so that but the whole 
emotional sequence of that and 

2559
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:34,920
and kind of like recognizing and
respecting his opponent and like

2560
02:04:35,240 --> 02:04:40,360
slowly gaining consciousness. 
I just thought was like really 

2561
02:04:40,360 --> 02:04:41,840
well done. 
Like I thought it was shot 

2562
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:45,280
really well. 
The kind of emotion that Timmy 

2563
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:50,160
is is showing in this scene, 
different from other parts of 

2564
02:04:50,160 --> 02:04:52,280
the movie, where he feels just 
so much more distant. 

2565
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:56,880
I I just thought it was like a 
really great sports sequence 

2566
02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:57,880
that. 
I mean like collapses to the. 

2567
02:04:57,880 --> 02:05:02,240
Ground was a sports sequence, 
but also like was anti sports 

2568
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:06,000
sequence like it within that 
moment, he understood in a way, 

2569
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:09,840
right that it like wasn't about 
maybe like being the greatest 

2570
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:13,280
person to ever play ping pong. 
Like he understood like within 

2571
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:17,800
this context what like losing 
like he would have been like 

2572
02:05:18,160 --> 02:05:20,720
like honored, I guess to lose 
because it was a good match kind

2573
02:05:20,720 --> 02:05:23,880
of thing. 
Again, this is not to say like 

2574
02:05:24,040 --> 02:05:26,640
sports conversations are always 
like complicated because they've

2575
02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:32,560
come with a lot of different, I 
guess, like ideologies of of 

2576
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:36,280
like being happy to like do 
labor and like doing it for 

2577
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:38,360
like, you know what I mean? 
Like that's not what I'm saying.

2578
02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:41,800
It's not like he came to to 
realize that like he shouldn't 

2579
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:43,760
actually like work towards 
greatness, whatever. 

2580
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:48,120
It's just like, I think he had a
sort of like wake up in that 

2581
02:05:48,120 --> 02:05:49,640
moment, right? 
It felt like he like. 

2582
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:51,240
I don't think he did. 
No, you don't think. 

2583
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:52,920
So this is what I was going to 
ask you about the end of this 

2584
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:54,000
movie. 
I was going to ask you about the

2585
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:55,560
hospital sequence. 
But it's interesting you started

2586
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:58,400
there in the match, because I 
think the match is like more 

2587
02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:01,200
symbolic of like he made a joke 
about this early. 

2588
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:03,480
I think he made an atomic bomb 
joke earlier in the film. 

2589
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:05,520
He also made a Holocaust joke 
too. 

2590
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:12,360
Like I think it was more so like
he basically just like he thinks

2591
02:06:12,360 --> 02:06:14,640
he just. 
Like he realized he wasn't like.

2592
02:06:14,680 --> 02:06:17,720
God individually, no. 
I think he feels like he won 

2593
02:06:17,720 --> 02:06:20,440
something individually and he 
doesn't care about the cost. 

2594
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:22,480
That's been the theme of his 
character the whole movie. 

2595
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:25,920
In this case, it's the cost of a
national identity like ping pong

2596
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:27,800
means something to him as an 
individual. 

2597
02:06:27,960 --> 02:06:30,640
It's a joke to most Americans in
Japan at this time. 

2598
02:06:30,760 --> 02:06:34,600
This was everything and so like 
like so that he doesn't care 

2599
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:38,680
that what the cost and the loss 
is this like he didn't he didn't

2600
02:06:38,680 --> 02:06:40,800
care about his friends losing. 
He didn't care about Tyler the 

2601
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:43,160
crater losing his car. 
He didn't care about Odessa 

2602
02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:45,480
being like homeless. 
He didn't care about this dog. 

2603
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:47,960
Everything's been transactional 
to him as a way to move up in 

2604
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:49,240
the world. 
And when it comes to like a 

2605
02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:52,520
literal country's culture and 
identity at this stage in their 

2606
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:55,920
history, especially post like a 
nuclear Holocaust. 

2607
02:06:56,200 --> 02:06:59,480
He's like, I'd rather just win 
than you guys have like this, 

2608
02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:02,640
this faux happiness through 
sports for the next few years. 

2609
02:07:02,640 --> 02:07:03,880
You know what I mean? 
To rebuild. 

2610
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:06,080
OK, so. 
So the collapse is supposed to 

2611
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:09,280
be like laughably absurd because
he's so self absorbed. 

2612
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:12,400
Like when he collapses on the 
ground he's like so ecstatic. 

2613
02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:14,600
Interesting. 
OK, so that's how I viewed. 

2614
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:16,560
It no, I think that checks out 
so he. 

2615
02:07:16,600 --> 02:07:19,120
Come he comes home to the, you 
know, the baby boomer generation

2616
02:07:19,120 --> 02:07:20,880
and like, that's that. 
I think that's the major theme 

2617
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:22,080
of the movie. 
Yeah. 

2618
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:25,000
I mean, I don't think to, I 
guess to be more clear, like I 

2619
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:29,320
didn't think he had like a total
awareness of like the match 

2620
02:07:29,320 --> 02:07:33,240
itself or like, yeah. 
But I, I did think that he had 

2621
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:36,640
like a little bit of like 
humbling and maybe isn't totally

2622
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:41,360
the right word, but maybe, yeah 
of him like recognizing that 

2623
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:45,200
he's like playing people who 
also have similar ambitions. 

2624
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:46,720
He did. 
He did seem like he cared about 

2625
02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:48,640
the guy, so I see that he cared 
about like. 

2626
02:07:48,640 --> 02:07:52,880
It felt like a wake up in that 
sense, but but not in a way 

2627
02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:57,120
where it was like a traditional 
sports movie of like coming to 

2628
02:07:57,120 --> 02:08:00,200
this awareness of like unity and
like what I like. 

2629
02:08:00,200 --> 02:08:04,800
Not in a not in a cliche way or 
a way that is like actually like

2630
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:08,440
positively maybe portraying the 
character that they like had 

2631
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:11,240
this realization of that now the
audience is going to have and. 

2632
02:08:11,240 --> 02:08:13,960
Like, to be very clear, you were
saying you saw it as a sign of 

2633
02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:16,920
like the scene as a sign of 
maturity versus immaturity. 

2634
02:08:17,160 --> 02:08:18,560
And I saw it as a scene of 
immaturity. 

2635
02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:20,200
Yeah, that's fascinating. 
So I think that's that's a 

2636
02:08:20,200 --> 02:08:23,800
credit to the movie because we 
never do this on the podcast. 

2637
02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:26,640
We're usually on the same page. 
Let us know in the comments, 

2638
02:08:26,640 --> 02:08:29,160
listeners, how you felt about 
the end of this movie, going to 

2639
02:08:29,160 --> 02:08:31,800
the hospital sequence. 
Real quick, I don't think the 

2640
02:08:31,800 --> 02:08:33,960
maturity was like a lesson like 
this. 

2641
02:08:34,440 --> 02:08:36,720
Like, I don't think the movie 
was like, here's a lesson. 

2642
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:38,120
I know you're not saying it's a 
moral lesson. 

2643
02:08:38,120 --> 02:08:41,720
Yeah, like, I don't think it was
like ultimately like forgiving 

2644
02:08:41,720 --> 02:08:42,920
his character or anything like 
that. 

2645
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:44,640
It might be the first time you 
saw him as self aware. 

2646
02:08:44,640 --> 02:08:48,000
Yes and I've felt the opposite. 
It was like the the most unaware

2647
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:49,400
he's been. 
OK, so then go to the end on. 

2648
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:52,080
This national stage where he 
thinks it's like this private 

2649
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:54,200
moment, but it's on all the TV's
in Japan. 

2650
02:08:54,200 --> 02:08:55,680
I guess that's true. 
Like, does that make sense? 

2651
02:08:55,680 --> 02:08:57,680
Like he's like, I'm just living 
like this doesn't matter to 

2652
02:08:57,680 --> 02:08:59,000
America. 
It only matters to me. 

2653
02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:00,440
Therefore, American 
exceptionalism. 

2654
02:09:00,440 --> 02:09:01,560
Marty Supreme. 
Like it's. 

2655
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:03,000
Yeah. 
So I mean. 

2656
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:04,800
You're probably more right in 
the context of the movie. 

2657
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:06,200
I don't know. 
And like, that's what I'm. 

2658
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:08,240
Saying I could be more. 
Cynical about this? 

2659
02:09:08,240 --> 02:09:10,280
No, no, I think that it's right 
to be cynical about it. 

2660
02:09:10,280 --> 02:09:13,960
I think my probably 
understanding of it and maybe 

2661
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:17,080
connection to watching Timmy in 
the movie rather than Marty 

2662
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:21,160
Supreme too. 
And also coming from a a 

2663
02:09:21,160 --> 02:09:26,040
background of like treating it 
like a sports movie, maybe also 

2664
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:30,160
like kind of plays into my 
understanding of that scene. 

2665
02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:35,800
But I mean, I think like, I like
your take better than mine and 

2666
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:39,520
I, and I do agree that I think 
it like aligns with the movie 

2667
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:43,360
holistically and why I think the
movie's interesting. 

2668
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:47,280
And it is actually like, it's 
weird 'cause like I want to give

2669
02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:49,880
Josh Safdie credit for like I 
think it is a really interesting

2670
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:51,000
movie. 
But at the same time, like 

2671
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:55,480
there's something that feels 
unexamined about it as a satire 

2672
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:57,200
that we've been talking about in
terms like The Wolf of Wall 

2673
02:09:57,200 --> 02:10:00,840
Street and everything. 
So but that feels like 

2674
02:10:00,840 --> 02:10:04,000
forgiving. 
It does feel in a way for giving

2675
02:10:04,160 --> 02:10:08,760
towards Timmy's character, not 
in a way that absolves him, but 

2676
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,560
that does try to humanize them 
at the end. 

2677
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:12,120
So maybe I don't know this 
movie. 

2678
02:10:12,120 --> 02:10:14,120
I'll be interested in what I 
think when I when I watch it 

2679
02:10:14,120 --> 02:10:17,000
again. 
It deserves to be in the 

2680
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:19,400
conversation with, like, Wolf of
Wall Street in terms of like, 

2681
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:23,080
satirizing its protagonists. 
That movie is more maximalist 

2682
02:10:23,080 --> 02:10:27,440
and extremist and is like really
doing its best to show the worst

2683
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:31,840
of behavior in American culture 
to like a really dangerous 

2684
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:33,720
degree. 
This movie doesn't really get 

2685
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:35,560
there. 
It's like more like embarrassing

2686
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:39,400
behavior, if that makes sense. 
Then like this kind of elitist 

2687
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:40,960
behavior. 
I would say it's, I would say 

2688
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:46,040
it's more tonally, visually, 
just like in the movie itself, 

2689
02:10:46,040 --> 02:10:48,320
more aware than Wolf of Wall 
Street was. 

2690
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:51,280
Yeah. 
Or, or I guess maybe we're clear

2691
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:54,200
to the audience, besides the 
problems I already talked about.

2692
02:10:54,200 --> 02:10:56,000
And they're like similar 
problems that I have, obviously,

2693
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:57,720
for this movie and like Wolf of 
Wall Street. 

2694
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:00,680
So yeah, that's its own podcast,
which we already did on Patreon.

2695
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:04,040
So he returns to Odessa's 
character. 

2696
02:11:04,040 --> 02:11:07,560
She's had the baby again. 
He sits by her in silence, 

2697
02:11:07,560 --> 02:11:09,400
eventually says like. 
Excuse me? 

2698
02:11:09,960 --> 02:11:13,720
Wakes her up. 
Damn, he's selfish. 

2699
02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:17,640
It's the character. 
This is I literally like I 

2700
02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:19,480
literally turned to you and 
gasped. 

2701
02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:21,000
I was like, I cannot believe 
this happened. 

2702
02:11:21,240 --> 02:11:23,200
She just gave birth. 
OK. 

2703
02:11:23,480 --> 02:11:28,360
He comes home and wakes her up. 
She's sleeping. 

2704
02:11:29,040 --> 02:11:34,840
It's crazy. 
So basically he goes to see the 

2705
02:11:34,840 --> 02:11:37,560
baby? 
Yeah, he full body sobs. 

2706
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:40,080
Chalamet does. 
It's the most human. 

2707
02:11:40,080 --> 02:11:42,400
We've seen him, Marty, 
throughout the whole film. 

2708
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:44,320
We've really seen him cry, 
right? 

2709
02:11:44,520 --> 02:11:47,040
Chalamet doing his best crying 
at the screen. 

2710
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:48,160
We've seen since Call Me By Your
Name. 

2711
02:11:48,160 --> 02:11:50,480
So it's been almost 10 years, so
it's good for him. 

2712
02:11:51,120 --> 02:11:54,200
He's letting out what is going 
to be ambiguous. 

2713
02:11:54,200 --> 02:11:56,160
I think to a lot of people, it's
going to have different 

2714
02:11:56,440 --> 02:11:58,160
interpretations. 
Is it guilt? 

2715
02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:00,000
Is it fear? 
Is it pride? 

2716
02:12:00,080 --> 02:12:01,880
Is it failure? 
Is it happiness? 

2717
02:12:02,640 --> 02:12:04,680
It's up for interpretation for 
what the performance means to 

2718
02:12:04,680 --> 02:12:06,080
you. 
It's kind of a twisted, 

2719
02:12:06,080 --> 02:12:09,600
multifaceted emotion that he was
conveying where it feels like 

2720
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:11,160
he's conveying 6 emotions at 
once. 

2721
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:14,120
You're also the end of a nine 
month journey with this 

2722
02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:16,040
character, so it's a lot for 
you, the viewer. 

2723
02:12:16,600 --> 02:12:20,960
It's a long movie and it's paced
mostly really well except a few 

2724
02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:22,080
moments. 
I think the Sappies have an 

2725
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:23,600
issue with like meandering a 
little bit. 

2726
02:12:23,720 --> 02:12:27,000
Yeah, there's a a part where you
start feeling the time. 

2727
02:12:27,000 --> 02:12:28,840
And I felt like this is Uncut 
Gems too, Yeah. 

2728
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:32,200
Uncut Gems especially has it has
a moment where Sandler like gets

2729
02:12:32,200 --> 02:12:34,720
home with his family and there's
like chilling for like 20 

2730
02:12:34,720 --> 02:12:36,520
minutes, which is like 
surprising considering the whole

2731
02:12:36,520 --> 02:12:42,160
movie won't stop at all. 
But for me, I was wondering this

2732
02:12:42,160 --> 02:12:44,760
at the end of this film, I was 
like, is he crying looking at 

2733
02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:47,600
this baby because he's changed? 
Or is he crying because he feels

2734
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:50,920
trapped? 
Is he looking this baby like 

2735
02:12:50,920 --> 02:12:52,880
this is the best thing I've ever
made? 

2736
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:55,080
Is this baby my new ping pong 
ball? 

2737
02:12:55,080 --> 02:12:58,400
Going back to like the beginning
of the movie when the sperm, 

2738
02:12:59,240 --> 02:13:02,760
like basically the insemination 
turns into a ping pong ball. 

2739
02:13:02,760 --> 02:13:04,480
And it says Marty Supreme across
the screen. 

2740
02:13:06,240 --> 02:13:09,720
Is this the worst version of 
himself reborn, the best version

2741
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:11,440
of himself reborn through a 
baby? 

2742
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:13,880
Is it a clean slate for him? 
Is this baby going to be his 

2743
02:13:13,880 --> 02:13:16,480
winner that he could not be? 
Like, I'm thinking about all 

2744
02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:18,880
these things while watching this
because I know so many shitty 

2745
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:22,320
men in my life from this country
because I live here, especially 

2746
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:24,960
white men. 
And we don't get an answer 

2747
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:26,400
because the movie ends on his 
face. 

2748
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:30,800
So let me ask you to start and 
then we'll have this like, final

2749
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:31,960
discussion to end today's 
podcast. 

2750
02:13:31,960 --> 02:13:33,560
It's been a great episode. 
Yeah, it's been fun. 

2751
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:36,960
It's been fun. 
Knowing that you had a little 

2752
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:39,240
bit more of an optimistic 
reading of his maturity, at 

2753
02:13:39,240 --> 02:13:42,520
least in that moment, how did 
you read this crying scene? 

2754
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:45,440
Taking the fact that it's also 
Timmy crying at you, the 

2755
02:13:45,480 --> 02:13:47,320
audience. 
So it is kind of a lot you're 

2756
02:13:47,320 --> 02:13:49,160
having like this meta experience
while watching it. 

2757
02:13:49,160 --> 02:13:51,360
What did what did you think was 
going through his mind? 

2758
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:53,040
Well, I didn't think it. 
Was Hardy's character. 

2759
02:13:53,240 --> 02:13:55,800
I didn't think it was like, I'm 
so happy I have this, like, 

2760
02:13:55,800 --> 02:13:57,840
child. 
Yeah. 

2761
02:13:58,360 --> 02:14:02,880
I thought it was more so like, 
we just keep, like, moving, 

2762
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:06,080
right? 
Like, yeah, and there are 

2763
02:14:06,080 --> 02:14:09,200
moments and I think this movie 
is like good to compare to the 

2764
02:14:09,200 --> 02:14:11,720
Uncut Gems. 
There are moments where Adam 

2765
02:14:11,720 --> 02:14:14,880
Sandler is like, I feel so high 
right now, right? 

2766
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:18,840
Like I just won this bet, Like, 
but it's short lived. 

2767
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:20,800
And for me, that's what it felt 
like. 

2768
02:14:20,800 --> 02:14:26,720
It didn't feel like happiness. 
It felt like a a release #1 

2769
02:14:26,720 --> 02:14:27,560
it's. 
Good way to put it. 

2770
02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:31,520
Because we've been just like, 
like the gears have just been 

2771
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:34,040
like consistently going 
throughout the movie. 

2772
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:43,600
But I, I felt like it was a, a 
catch, like not real, like 

2773
02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:47,920
relief for happiness, like not 
totally like a reflection point 

2774
02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:52,880
or anything like that. 
It was kind of like a, a short 

2775
02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:57,360
lived like, oh, this is my baby,
which, you know, before he had 

2776
02:14:57,360 --> 02:15:00,320
said like, that's not my child. 
Which we I think we can 

2777
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:04,240
understand that maybe she wasn't
having sex with her husband, 

2778
02:15:04,280 --> 02:15:05,600
right? 
I think so too. 

2779
02:15:05,640 --> 02:15:08,840
So that's that's how she like 
definitely knows that it's 

2780
02:15:08,840 --> 02:15:11,320
Timmy's. 
But I I think here like that's 

2781
02:15:11,320 --> 02:15:15,480
just what the movie was to me. 
It was like this isn't it's kind

2782
02:15:15,480 --> 02:15:18,640
of shown as or portrayed as what
we would see as like a happy 

2783
02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:23,680
ending or him kind of like quote
UN quote settling down, which is

2784
02:15:23,680 --> 02:15:29,600
weird too, but I don't know, 
like I I also didn't think it 

2785
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:34,360
was him totally be thinking 
like, oh, now I have to enter 

2786
02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:40,880
into like the workforce and work
at the the shoe store and be a 

2787
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:42,560
shoe salesman. 
Like I didn't think it was a 

2788
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:46,440
realization of that either, 
which it very well could have 

2789
02:15:46,440 --> 02:15:49,600
been in like different movies. 
There could have been like a 

2790
02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:51,720
reflection or recognition scene,
which I don't think it was. 

2791
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:53,840
There could have been a 
happiness scene, which I don't 

2792
02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:57,600
think it was. 
I felt like it was this kind of 

2793
02:15:58,840 --> 02:16:03,480
ownership high of like, oh, 
like, I went through this like 

2794
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:08,600
experience that I feel like for 
a short time transformed me. 

2795
02:16:09,200 --> 02:16:11,880
Which by the way, we love that 
he came back on the military 

2796
02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:14,880
plane because they're like 10 
guys in the military rooting for

2797
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:18,040
America with no like concept of 
table tennis. 

2798
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:21,400
But I felt like he. 
Was like, they're Johnny 

2799
02:16:21,400 --> 02:16:23,280
Manziel. 
Yeah, I always, there's a short 

2800
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:27,280
high right of like, I just went 
through this like thing that was

2801
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:32,280
important to me and now I have 
something that I can like pour 

2802
02:16:32,280 --> 02:16:34,680
creativity into. 
I think he's a project. 

2803
02:16:34,959 --> 02:16:37,240
Like that's what it felt more 
like to me. 

2804
02:16:37,400 --> 02:16:42,000
But it felt like again, hollow 
in in the way that it it wasn't 

2805
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:48,120
like his character has like a 
full kind of reflection moment 

2806
02:16:48,520 --> 02:16:51,680
like similar to Uncut Gems. 
Yes, I I agree. 

2807
02:16:51,719 --> 02:16:53,320
I agree. 
I keep thinking about like 

2808
02:16:53,320 --> 02:16:55,280
directorial intent. 
I kept thinking about like the 

2809
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:58,280
artistic direction and being 
like, what was the, this felt 

2810
02:16:58,280 --> 02:17:00,480
like a thesis of the movie, 
looking at his face, crying at 

2811
02:17:00,480 --> 02:17:05,480
the baby. 
And I feel like I'm circling 

2812
02:17:05,480 --> 02:17:07,559
around this point and kind of 
saying it a little bit. 

2813
02:17:07,559 --> 02:17:10,760
But I think the reason why we 
like Marty Mauser but are 

2814
02:17:10,879 --> 02:17:15,080
irritated by Marty Supreme is 
because Marty Mauser is a stand 

2815
02:17:15,080 --> 02:17:18,719
in for like the sympathetic 
silent generation, this 

2816
02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:22,280
marginalized, assimilated 
immigrant generation clawing for

2817
02:17:22,280 --> 02:17:25,200
recognition through any tools 
necessary, which happened to be 

2818
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:28,040
capitalism in America. 
And also performativity, like 

2819
02:17:28,040 --> 02:17:31,040
performance, like Gwyneth 
Paltrow represents this as well.

2820
02:17:31,559 --> 02:17:34,879
And there are moments where we 
saw Marty be a human, like Marty

2821
02:17:34,879 --> 02:17:38,760
Mauser loves his mom, loves his 
childhood sweetheart, his best 

2822
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:43,440
friends, his this dog. 
But then the movie is like 

2823
02:17:43,440 --> 02:17:46,160
reckoning throughout the film of
like America's turning him into 

2824
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:48,040
Marty Supreme. 
He's losing his identity. 

2825
02:17:48,040 --> 02:17:50,879
He's trading it in not really by
choice, but by pressure. 

2826
02:17:51,320 --> 02:17:55,520
And America as an idea creates 
this mythos of Marty Supreme. 

2827
02:17:55,680 --> 02:18:00,320
And the film asks us by starting
the movie out this way when he 

2828
02:18:00,799 --> 02:18:03,520
in Odessa's character have sex 
and then the movie ends with 

2829
02:18:03,520 --> 02:18:06,719
birth in the film is like, OK, 
if Marty Supreme is created by 

2830
02:18:06,719 --> 02:18:09,680
America, what does Marty Supreme
create? 

2831
02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:11,480
And that's where it hit me when 
watching it. 

2832
02:18:11,480 --> 02:18:14,760
I was like, Oh my God, this is 
1950 Queens, NY. 

2833
02:18:14,920 --> 02:18:16,760
He just like made the boomer 
generation. 

2834
02:18:16,760 --> 02:18:19,879
If anything that babies Donald 
Trump like that's not And I hate

2835
02:18:19,879 --> 02:18:24,480
the idea that like every movie 
is about Trump post 2016 in 

2836
02:18:24,480 --> 02:18:26,320
America. 
But, and I'm not saying this 

2837
02:18:26,320 --> 02:18:31,120
movie is, but it feels certainly
like an indictment of a 

2838
02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:34,040
generation that is a product of 
American exploitation of 

2839
02:18:34,040 --> 02:18:36,320
immigrants. 
And like what kind of like white

2840
02:18:36,799 --> 02:18:40,719
anger comes out of that culture 
or that kind of like era in the 

2841
02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:43,959
boomer generation that basically
ruined America and still is 

2842
02:18:43,959 --> 02:18:48,200
running America from the Reagan 
generation on it it. 

2843
02:18:48,200 --> 02:18:49,920
I think the movie is kind of 
reckoning with this idea that 

2844
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:52,799
Marty Supremes, or the Marty 
Supremes of the world, while 

2845
02:18:52,799 --> 02:18:55,240
sympathetic, birth the boomers. 
This. 

2846
02:18:55,240 --> 02:18:58,360
Like, I didn't even put it in a 
a timeline where I would 

2847
02:18:58,360 --> 02:19:01,799
understand that that baby is a 
part of the boomer generation. 

2848
02:19:01,799 --> 02:19:04,559
That's fascinating. 
Well, I think it only hit me 

2849
02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:07,600
because I watched the Greatest 
Generation spank the Silent 

2850
02:19:07,600 --> 02:19:10,799
Generation and they got such a 
bad spanking that they race the 

2851
02:19:10,799 --> 02:19:14,200
Boomer generation. 
And I was like that that works 

2852
02:19:14,200 --> 02:19:17,480
like just the imagery worked. 
It it clicked in my head while 

2853
02:19:17,480 --> 02:19:22,200
watching Xiaomi cry at his child
where I was like, oh, he's like,

2854
02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:24,400
this is like a creation myth 
about the end of America. 

2855
02:19:24,520 --> 02:19:26,280
Like this is like fascinating 
like this. 

2856
02:19:26,320 --> 02:19:31,879
Like this twerp is going to 
birth the nightmare of the 20 

2857
02:19:31,879 --> 02:19:33,440
twenties America which. 
Yeah. 

2858
02:19:33,559 --> 02:19:37,840
Or like the, yeah, the the kind 
of like what we've been talking 

2859
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:41,639
about in terms of this like 
American Dream Hustle, right? 

2860
02:19:41,959 --> 02:19:45,000
Is the, the, it's like, it's 
interesting because I, I like 

2861
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:47,760
that take because as we've been 
talking about, this movie has 

2862
02:19:47,760 --> 02:19:50,920
two different threads, but it 
leans heavy as we go into it 

2863
02:19:50,920 --> 02:19:53,960
more and more on that second 
thread of like this American 

2864
02:19:53,960 --> 02:19:55,960
Dream ideology. 
And it's more so like the 

2865
02:19:55,960 --> 02:19:58,960
ideology, like birthing this 
child, right? 

2866
02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:00,920
Exactly, that's what I'm about 
to bring as a symbol. 

2867
02:20:00,920 --> 02:20:04,400
The movie is successful, I think
at that, Like it's detaching it 

2868
02:20:04,400 --> 02:20:06,960
from just like an individual. 
Right. 

2869
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:09,080
And I think that's what I'm 
saying, like the sympathy that's

2870
02:20:09,080 --> 02:20:11,240
baked in about him being a first
or second generation Jewish 

2871
02:20:11,240 --> 02:20:14,440
American is separate from the 
symbol that he becomes as like 

2872
02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:17,560
the American prototype for the 
worst generation America ever 

2873
02:20:17,560 --> 02:20:21,080
birthed, Which I think makes 
this like sort of like a 

2874
02:20:21,080 --> 02:20:23,600
village, a villain origin story 
at the end. 

2875
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:25,480
Like when I see the baby on 
rewatch, I think I'm going to be

2876
02:20:25,480 --> 02:20:27,280
like, that baby's fucked up. 
Like, I don't know. 

2877
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:29,160
There's going to be like a 
second layer to this where I'm 

2878
02:20:29,160 --> 02:20:32,240
like, this movie is kind of evil
and I love that about it. 

2879
02:20:33,640 --> 02:20:36,640
That reading could be way off. 
I could be reading the match way

2880
02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:37,760
off. 
I could be reading the end of 

2881
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:40,160
this film way off. 
It could be way more like I've 

2882
02:20:40,160 --> 02:20:42,840
never heard the Safdie's talk 
about or sorry, Josh Safdie talk

2883
02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:45,080
about it. 
But I'm really excited to see it

2884
02:20:45,080 --> 02:20:48,400
again because I think there's a 
lot of potential for for writing

2885
02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:50,640
about this film, for discourse 
around this movie. 

2886
02:20:50,840 --> 02:20:53,640
I think, I mean, you can 
definitely tell, at least in 

2887
02:20:53,640 --> 02:20:57,080
these two projects that the 
brothers made, Like it feels 

2888
02:20:57,080 --> 02:21:01,520
like Benny Safdie is a little 
bit more like sentimental in 

2889
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:04,360
terms of his filmmaking, at 
least in this particular story. 

2890
02:21:04,360 --> 02:21:07,480
That's the smashing machine and.
Sorry, I was yeah, in The 

2891
02:21:07,480 --> 02:21:13,800
Smashing Machine where it feels 
like that movie, while 

2892
02:21:14,360 --> 02:21:19,280
commenting on the sports movie, 
still is embracing it in ways 

2893
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:23,760
that are very unexamined and 
feel kind of what we're having 

2894
02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:26,480
the conversation at the 
beginning of the of the Murray 

2895
02:21:26,480 --> 02:21:30,360
Supreme like episode here that 
feel unexamined in a way that 

2896
02:21:30,360 --> 02:21:35,080
feel not only silly but like 
shocking, right. 

2897
02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:39,000
Because you're like it. 
It's just unaware of like class 

2898
02:21:39,000 --> 02:21:46,680
and yeah of like the the people 
in sports like being also like 

2899
02:21:46,680 --> 02:21:50,840
objectified and and commodified.
And so like, that's interesting 

2900
02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:55,400
to see smashing machine to see 
Marty Supreme next to each 

2901
02:21:55,400 --> 02:21:57,360
other. 
So I do, I do think they're you 

2902
02:21:57,360 --> 02:22:02,160
know, Marty Supreme is a way 
better movie than like the 

2903
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:04,840
smashing machine as a sports 
movie as a movie over all. 

2904
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:09,080
I think if you like uncut Gems 
like, you'll definitely like 

2905
02:22:09,080 --> 02:22:12,000
this more and I think it has 
interesting things to say. 

2906
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:15,560
But I don't like. 
Oh no, not the Nunca gem, sorry.

2907
02:22:15,560 --> 02:22:17,200
I like it more than the smashing
machine. 

2908
02:22:17,240 --> 02:22:18,960
Sorry to put the brothers 
against each other because like,

2909
02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:21,400
that's also maybe not fair. 
They're both good film makers. 

2910
02:22:22,440 --> 02:22:24,520
Yeah, I like the. 
I like, even though I don't like

2911
02:22:24,520 --> 02:22:28,240
the smashing machine. 
I like the way it's shot. 

2912
02:22:28,280 --> 02:22:29,880
Yeah, there's some. 
There are part. 

2913
02:22:29,880 --> 02:22:31,680
There are moments. 
There is, yeah. 

2914
02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:34,600
But yeah, anyway, Marty Spring, 
good movie. 

2915
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:38,040
Maybe great movie, I don't know,
I got to see a second time. 

2916
02:22:38,440 --> 02:22:40,120
No, I think it's, I think it's 
pretty great. 

2917
02:22:40,400 --> 02:22:42,600
I think I'm trying to separate 
myself from the reaction to this

2918
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:45,120
movie, which is going to be, I 
love Marty, like the character, 

2919
02:22:45,120 --> 02:22:46,680
like I think there is going to 
be a little bit of that. 

2920
02:22:46,680 --> 02:22:49,720
I mean, we are, we are really, 
really early on this episode. 

2921
02:22:49,800 --> 02:22:54,280
I am really interested, yeah, to
see #1 the like discourse around

2922
02:22:54,280 --> 02:22:56,960
it, to read all the letterbox. 
Reviews. 

2923
02:22:56,960 --> 02:22:58,640
I haven't heard a podcast on it 
either. 

2924
02:22:58,680 --> 02:23:00,360
Yeah, we haven't heard. 
We haven't heard. 

2925
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:03,720
Talk to anyone who's seen it. 
Yeah, listened to the director 

2926
02:23:03,720 --> 02:23:04,720
at all. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2927
02:23:04,720 --> 02:23:07,440
So we usually won't go in this 
blind, but we did into a 

2928
02:23:07,440 --> 02:23:09,360
conversation without. 
Doing a little bit of prep dive,

2929
02:23:09,400 --> 02:23:10,520
yeah. 
Yeah, because this was a big 

2930
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:13,080
deep dive for extra credit. 
I think we should just like 

2931
02:23:13,080 --> 02:23:14,920
collectively agree. 
And there are things I want to 

2932
02:23:14,920 --> 02:23:17,320
acknowledge like Jack Fisk's 
production design is pretty 

2933
02:23:17,320 --> 02:23:18,840
wonderful in here. 
I don't I didn't question the 

2934
02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:20,840
1950s once. 
And like he's one of the most 

2935
02:23:20,840 --> 02:23:22,000
famous production designers 
ever. 

2936
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:24,520
Obviously there will be blood, 
recently, Killers, The Fire 

2937
02:23:24,520 --> 02:23:27,280
Moon. 
It's great and there's some good

2938
02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:28,800
performances. 
Tyler Odessa. 

2939
02:23:29,800 --> 02:23:33,720
But I thought we could just do 
like a Chalamet, revisiting the 

2940
02:23:33,720 --> 02:23:37,680
Chalamet filmography real quick 
and you tell me where this sets.

2941
02:23:37,880 --> 02:23:39,440
OK, yeah. 
Not like a draft. 

2942
02:23:39,440 --> 02:23:41,440
Timmy is. 
The Timmy is the movie. 

2943
02:23:41,440 --> 02:23:46,360
He's the draw. 
So we did a Chalmet ranking on 

2944
02:23:46,360 --> 02:23:47,440
our Call Me by Your Name 
episodes. 

2945
02:23:47,440 --> 02:23:49,880
You can go back and listen to 
that on Patreon if you're a free

2946
02:23:49,880 --> 02:23:51,280
member. 
I'm pretty sure we did. 

2947
02:23:51,320 --> 02:23:52,560
Yeah. 
It was a whole performance 

2948
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:53,760
ranking. 
We did like a top ten. 

2949
02:23:53,760 --> 02:23:57,960
I don't remember. 
So I'm just going to tell you my

2950
02:23:58,320 --> 02:24:00,120
top 12 Chalmet. 
OK. 

2951
02:24:00,280 --> 02:24:01,720
OK. 
And then you tell me where you 

2952
02:24:01,720 --> 02:24:03,320
would move up or down. 
Marty Supreme. 

2953
02:24:03,320 --> 02:24:10,760
OK, OK. 12 French Dispatch, 11 
Lady Bird, 10 The King, 9. 

2954
02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:13,080
Wonka, 8. 
Little Women. 

2955
02:24:13,600 --> 02:24:15,560
And is this his performance? 
OK, yeah, yeah. 

2956
02:24:15,560 --> 02:24:23,520
Seven the first Dune 6 Bones and
all five Marty Supreme 4A 

2957
02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:29,800
complete unknown three Beautiful
Boy 2 Dune Part 2 and #1 Call me

2958
02:24:29,800 --> 02:24:31,280
by your name, but I could swap 
those. 

2959
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:33,360
Wow. 
I probably would swap those like

2960
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:34,040
5 years from now. 
I. 

2961
02:24:34,640 --> 02:24:36,880
Think. 
I think the Paul, I think. 

2962
02:24:36,920 --> 02:24:39,120
Marty Supreme. 
It's hard because Marty Supreme 

2963
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:42,840
also though, like you have to 
take into account that he is 

2964
02:24:42,840 --> 02:24:47,320
starring in this. 
So we get a lot of him and he's 

2965
02:24:47,320 --> 02:24:50,120
doing a louder performance 
obviously than in other movies. 

2966
02:24:50,120 --> 02:24:52,320
And I know what you were saying 
earlier about like, it's really 

2967
02:24:52,320 --> 02:24:57,080
hard to do Dylan and to capture 
like what Dylan was as a like 

2968
02:24:57,640 --> 02:25:00,760
cultural kind of like artifact, 
but also like. 

2969
02:25:00,760 --> 02:25:02,880
Is it a? 
Nick Person Yeah, it's very 

2970
02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:07,720
difficult, but I still like saw 
through that performance a 

2971
02:25:07,720 --> 02:25:09,680
little bit with Timmy. 
And it's also very difficult. 

2972
02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:11,840
We talk a lot about like with 
the whole celebrity of it all. 

2973
02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:14,880
It's very difficult to separate 
celebrity from actor in these. 

2974
02:25:14,880 --> 02:25:16,480
Situations plugged in like we 
are. 

2975
02:25:16,480 --> 02:25:18,080
What do you think about that big
5 though? 

2976
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:19,800
That first five? 
Because that is the big. 5I 

2977
02:25:20,040 --> 02:25:22,360
yeah, yeah, I would. 
I really have to rewatch 

2978
02:25:22,360 --> 02:25:25,720
Beautiful Boy and I know it's a 
depressing movie. 

2979
02:25:25,720 --> 02:25:28,120
It might be his best though. 
I don't remember. 

2980
02:25:28,120 --> 02:25:29,320
I don't remember his 
performance. 

2981
02:25:29,320 --> 02:25:30,880
So I can't. 
I don't know if I can rewatch 

2982
02:25:30,880 --> 02:25:32,840
that movie dude. 
Yeah, so, but call me by your 

2983
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:35,880
name, I think and Dune are yeah,
you're right. 

2984
02:25:35,880 --> 02:25:38,640
Difficult to separate. 
I I I'm fine though, with call 

2985
02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:40,880
me by your name. 
Oh, Dune too. 

2986
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:45,800
I I think, yes, we were. 
We walked to the Dune 2 and we 

2987
02:25:45,800 --> 02:25:47,920
said, oh, Timmy can act. 
Yeah. 

2988
02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:49,880
I mean, we obviously knew It was
like, call me back again. 

2989
02:25:49,880 --> 02:25:52,320
Maybe Christensen as Anakin 
Skywalker, But what if, like the

2990
02:25:52,320 --> 02:25:53,960
power of Leonardo DiCaprio did 
it? 

2991
02:25:54,320 --> 02:25:57,160
Yeah, we're like when he yelled 
and it like, wasn't it like. 

2992
02:25:57,160 --> 02:25:58,280
Cringey. 
Yeah. 

2993
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:00,120
In a different made-up language,
yeah. 

2994
02:26:00,120 --> 02:26:03,880
Yeah, I was like, so OK, so I 
think that Call Me by Your Name 

2995
02:26:03,880 --> 02:26:09,240
because of the lengths that he's
going to emotionally acting is 

2996
02:26:09,560 --> 02:26:13,320
I'm fine with it at #1 do too. 
Again, very, very close. 

2997
02:26:13,320 --> 02:26:17,440
If not #1 like, but yes, like 
that was where we both, you 

2998
02:26:17,440 --> 02:26:19,160
know, had seen him in Bones and 
all, had seen him in Little 

2999
02:26:19,160 --> 02:26:20,840
Women, had seen all these 
movies, whatever. 

3000
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:24,520
But there we were like, oh, he's
carrying a movie and he could do

3001
02:26:24,520 --> 02:26:26,320
it. 
He's about, he's about to like 

3002
02:26:26,320 --> 02:26:30,600
go off beautiful boy. 
Again, I have to revisit. 

3003
02:26:30,600 --> 02:26:32,960
So I'm not going to put it in my
top five. 

3004
02:26:32,960 --> 02:26:34,400
Would you? 
Replace it with a gerwig 

3005
02:26:34,720 --> 02:26:37,080
probably. 
No, I would put Marty Supreme 

3006
02:26:37,080 --> 02:26:40,280
there. 
Oh, at 3 so and again, like it's

3007
02:26:40,280 --> 02:26:41,840
hard because we're seeing him so
much. 

3008
02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:44,560
But I do think Marty's supreme. 
And then I think a complete 

3009
02:26:44,560 --> 02:26:46,480
unknown. 
I think what? 

3010
02:26:46,640 --> 02:26:50,080
Will be your 5 then. 
Oh, is that not fun you? 

3011
02:26:50,080 --> 02:26:51,560
Took a beautiful boy out. 
Oh, I did, didn't I? 

3012
02:26:52,760 --> 02:26:55,440
Bones and always. 
Really interesting performance. 

3013
02:26:55,440 --> 02:26:56,760
He was doing something 
different. 

3014
02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:59,720
You know, he was cast at the 
very beginning of his career in 

3015
02:26:59,720 --> 02:27:03,400
like a Little Women lady bird. 
Obviously those are both like 

3016
02:27:03,400 --> 02:27:05,480
Gerwig projects. 
But then again, and like don't 

3017
02:27:05,480 --> 02:27:10,160
look up in front dispatch in 
this kind of like unserious, 

3018
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:15,560
like fuck boy, kind of, you 
know, specific type of role and 

3019
02:27:15,560 --> 02:27:17,520
bones and all. 
He really breaks out of that 

3020
02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:18,960
dune. 
He's a little bit more quiet. 

3021
02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:21,120
It's difficult. 
I think he does a great job, but

3022
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:24,080
at the same time it's like not 
this performance. 

3023
02:27:24,080 --> 02:27:27,080
He's more anguished. 
Yeah, that, that you can really 

3024
02:27:27,080 --> 02:27:29,480
like, talk about in an 
interesting way, even though I 

3025
02:27:29,480 --> 02:27:31,240
think he does a good job. 
It's really like Rebecca 

3026
02:27:31,240 --> 02:27:34,880
Ferguson Person's movie and 
Oscar Isaac's movie for that 

3027
02:27:34,880 --> 02:27:37,200
one. 
So The King was great. 

3028
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:41,800
I think people should revisit 
The King Love You, Rob, Pat and 

3029
02:27:41,800 --> 02:27:43,160
that. 
Somehow he has a fade in that 

3030
02:27:43,160 --> 02:27:46,000
movie. 
But I think the French dispatch 

3031
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:50,200
definitely goes. 
I think he's great as Laurie, 

3032
02:27:50,200 --> 02:27:54,640
but it's hard for me as a 1994 
Little Women, you know, fan to 

3033
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:56,920
to. 
I think a lot of people would 

3034
02:27:56,920 --> 02:27:58,080
have little woman in the top 
five. 

3035
02:27:58,320 --> 02:28:00,240
Yeah, and I. 
Feel bad not having a girl wig 

3036
02:28:00,240 --> 02:28:01,800
but he's not a big enough 
character. 

3037
02:28:01,840 --> 02:28:03,880
Yeah, the Joe scene is like 
there. 

3038
02:28:04,120 --> 02:28:06,520
The rest of it, though, it's 
hard for me because I think 

3039
02:28:06,760 --> 02:28:09,600
Christian Bale did it so well 
that to see Timmy. 

3040
02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:11,400
And he said that he was like 
Christian Bale's my favorite 

3041
02:28:11,400 --> 02:28:13,480
actor growing up. 
He recently said that he was 

3042
02:28:13,480 --> 02:28:16,080
like Christian Bale's like my 
him and Denzel are my dreams. 

3043
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:19,320
Yeah, I mean a dream for 
everyone. 

3044
02:28:19,320 --> 02:28:21,880
Yeah, truly. 
But yeah, OK, so I guess Bones 

3045
02:28:21,880 --> 02:28:24,640
and all, it would be at my #5 
and Beautiful Boy obviously 

3046
02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:29,520
deserves to be up there, 
probably above like Dune and and

3047
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:32,520
Little Women. 
But again, I have to see it 

3048
02:28:32,520 --> 02:28:34,200
again. 
Let us know your top five 

3049
02:28:34,200 --> 02:28:36,160
Timothy Chalamet performances in
the comments. 

3050
02:28:36,200 --> 02:28:38,440
Maybe Kyle from Lady Bird. 
I'm sure there's some Kyle 

3051
02:28:38,440 --> 02:28:41,480
Truthers out there. 
Yeah, not everything's war, 

3052
02:28:41,480 --> 02:28:46,040
Kyle. 
OK, that was the extra credits 

3053
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:49,640
of Timothy Chalamet and Marty 
Supreme, because I feel like we 

3054
02:28:49,640 --> 02:28:52,800
did a lot of Chalamet. 
Yeah, at the top, which I almost

3055
02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:54,400
apologize for, but I don't 
apologize. 

3056
02:28:54,400 --> 02:28:55,320
I. 
Don't apologize. 

3057
02:28:55,320 --> 02:28:57,640
I'm glad we did this. 
Yeah, it's too bad it wasn't on 

3058
02:28:57,640 --> 02:28:59,400
video because I feel like this 
would have done well for the 

3059
02:28:59,400 --> 02:29:04,880
Chalamet truthers out there. 
We'll be back soon with what do 

3060
02:29:04,880 --> 02:29:07,000
we have going on? 
What do we have going? 

3061
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:12,120
On Patreon we might cover Avatar
as a bit on the main feed. 

3062
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:14,320
What are you? 
Doing on Patreon besides Titanic

3063
02:29:14,320 --> 02:29:16,320
I had. 
A conversation with director and

3064
02:29:16,320 --> 02:29:20,240
writer Adam Bolerich from Eye of
the Duck, a great movie podcast.

3065
02:29:20,240 --> 02:29:22,800
And we talked about his new 
movie, his first feature film, 

3066
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:25,800
which is a great holiday movie, 
kind of an anti holiday movie in

3067
02:29:25,800 --> 02:29:28,640
some ways. 
Drink and Be Merry, which is 

3068
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:30,440
streaming right now. 
And you can rent that anywhere 

3069
02:29:30,760 --> 02:29:32,560
where you rent movies. 
So I recommend that. 

3070
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:34,840
We'll probably put that episode 
on the next week or so. 

3071
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:38,760
But on Patreon, we're covering 
Knives Out, the Ryan Johnson 

3072
02:29:38,760 --> 02:29:40,080
film. 
Oh yeah, people voted on. 

3073
02:29:40,120 --> 02:29:42,400
It people voted on that film 
they almost picked Uncle gems 

3074
02:29:42,400 --> 02:29:45,400
was very close yeah. 
They picked Knives out easier 

3075
02:29:45,400 --> 02:29:47,440
for us because we just did a 
wake up That man conversation. 

3076
02:29:47,440 --> 02:29:49,640
So yeah, Uncle gems would have 
been good too. 

3077
02:29:49,640 --> 02:29:50,800
You just watched it for the 
first time. 

3078
02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:52,800
I did a few nights ago, which I 
guess we should have mentioned 

3079
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:54,720
but like. 
I mean, I talked a lot. 

3080
02:29:54,720 --> 02:29:56,280
About you liked it? 
I liked it, yeah. 

3081
02:29:56,880 --> 02:29:58,880
But we'll do some Knives Out 
conversation there. 

3082
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And then we have Titanic, which 
I've only seen now two or three 

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times. 
Yeah, and I've seen like 3 

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times, maybe 50. 
So that'll be a a Kelsey episode

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basically, and on the main feed,
I think that's about it until we

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get into the new year. 
So we'll be back soon. 

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Peace out y'all, bye.