1 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,840 Hello, welcome to the Extra Credits. 2 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,200 Plus of big things have small beginning. 3 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,960 We're talking about David and Ridley Scott's Prometheus. 4 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,400 I'm Trey and I'm Kelsey. We are back with Alien August. 5 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,840 We covered Romulus a few weeks ago, James Cameron's Aliens last 6 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,320 week, and now the big one, Prometheus. 7 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,920 This is one of our favorite sci-fi epics of all time. 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,320 Ridley Scott is one of our favorite ambitious blockbuster 9 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,960 film makers ever. A guy who is constantly 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,720 searching for ways to find the great impossible crossover of 11 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,280 making an entertaining spectacle while also doing something 12 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,240 transgressive. And I think he accomplishes that 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,120 with Prometheus, a movie that is being reclaimed as a good, if 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,160 not great movie, but a film that I think we both unapologetically 15 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,480 love quite a bit. So I want to put out a 16 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,680 disclaimer at the top of this episode before we get too 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,560 excited or hyperbolic. Sure. 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,800 Or deep into why we think this movie is great because as you 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,680 know long time listeners know we try to be thoughtful and serious 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,760 in our criticism of all movies we cover. 21 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:24,160 Especially on Patreons because these end up becoming like very 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,880 lengthy live commentary, deep dives. 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,240 And in those we try to understand all perspectives of 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,080 movies that we're going through in our collection. 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,880 But with Prometheus, this has always been a pretty semi 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,520 divisive movie. And maybe it has gotten less 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,240 divisive lately because of Romulus killing it at the box 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,040 office. And it's just become easier to 29 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,840 come out of the shadows and say I like Prometheus. 30 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,960 But you know, again, to be clear, I think we both 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,200 unapologetically think this movie is a 5 star sci-fi epic. 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,680 And if we're not counting the 20th century, we're not talking 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,800 about the 2000 ones, We're not talking about the the original 34 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,560 Star Wars trilogy. We're just talking 21st century 35 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,479 space sci-fi epics. I think this goes up there with 36 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:11,840 like Interstellar, the Dunes, you know, Sunshine for the Boyle 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,960 people, or even Star Trek, the original Abrams film, or I guess 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,280 the original of that series. So I think Prometheus some 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,760 people think is a stupid B movie. 40 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,800 We think it's in that upper echelon of so high space 41 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,440 spectacles. Yeah, so if you're a Prometheus 42 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,480 fan, definitely stick around. This has been I think a long 43 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,440 time movie that we have shared love for like since the 44 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,720 beginning of our relationship. Like in friendship too, right? 45 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,280 It came out of the year we met. Yeah, yeah. 46 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,480 And so this is something that we like initially bonded over, and 47 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,440 we're like, we both absolutely love this movie. 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,360 So we'll be speaking to people who have been in the Prometheus 49 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,960 hive for forever, I guess, since it's existed. 50 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,760 But yeah, we don't really balance each other out here. 51 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,160 As a fair warning, we both absolutely love this movie. 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,600 Of course, there are some critiques like like any movie 53 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,360 that I'll touch on, but I think that Prometheus is like actually 54 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:15,880 probably my number one in terms of recent sci-fi movies. 55 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,560 I I mean, it's up there with like Denise, Blade Runner as 56 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,520 well, obviously like in the same universe. 57 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,080 But I just absolutely love Prometheus. 58 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,160 I think it's doing something more interesting than something 59 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,520 like that's beloved, like Interstellar, that's a little 60 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,720 more sentimental. Right. 61 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,040 So like, for example, we both love the parallel of zealotry in 62 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,320 this movie. We love how there's the 63 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,920 corporate tycoon Peter Weyland, and we love how there's the 64 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,280 religious zealot Elizabeth Shaw, who is presented as a 65 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,480 protagonist who ends up being like a flawed figure that really 66 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,320 Scott is critiquing in this film, as well as his writers and 67 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,160 all the other artists in this movie, along with the kind of 68 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,520 wealthy tyrant Peter Weyland. And if people don't like that, 69 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,080 then this movie is not going to work for you. 70 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,880 There's a lot of things in this movie that might not work for 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,440 you too then, like David as this artificial intelligence Android 72 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,480 and him being this representation of immortality 73 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,840 and the closest thing to God that maybe the universe has ever 74 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,600 seen. If none of that works for you, I 75 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,480 don't know if this will be a fun episode, you know, And I don't 76 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,400 want you to get annoyed at us because so many people, you 77 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,880 know, feel strongly about Prometheus one way or another. 78 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,120 And I'd rather me just put this big warning up at the top for 79 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,560 all the harsh critics or haters of Prometheus. 80 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,120 I'm sure we have other movies that we've covered that you love 81 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,160 quite a bit. Now, if you're not a hater going 82 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,240 to what Kelsey was just saying a second ago and you have maybe 83 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,680 more realized criticisms of this movie and you're just a skeptic 84 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,120 of Prometheus has a great film. Maybe you think it looks great 85 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:40,760 and sounds amazing, which it does. 86 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,200 And maybe you think it's sometimes interesting but 87 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,000 ultimately has like a lot of logic or plot holes. 88 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,520 And maybe you think it's even a little bit irritating and how it 89 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,840 tries to uncover what is wonderfully mysterious and 90 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:56,520 ambiguous about the original 1979 Alien with the derelict 91 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,040 ship and the juggernaut. I think that's totally, you 92 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,200 know, reasonable. I think if you don't like how, 93 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,120 you know, irrational some of these characters are, the social 94 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,320 scientists or the scientists are in this film, that's also super 95 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,240 reasonable. I think that we're not going to, 96 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,640 like, go out of our way to try to persuade you. 97 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,800 But I do think you would enjoy listening to this episode to 98 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,840 hear why we still think it's great, you know. 99 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,520 Yeah. With all those things included 100 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,360 in the conversation. Definitely, yeah. 101 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,880 And I think I, I may have talked about this on our Romulus 102 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,480 episode. I can't remember if it was this 103 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:34,040 or Aliens, but I know with the like all the money that Romulus 104 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,440 is making right now, right? Like audiences are coming out 105 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,960 for this movie, which ultimately we are excited about because we 106 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,920 want a third movie in the Prometheus, Alien Covenant, you 107 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,240 know, universe. We want another David movie. 108 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,520 We want to see Michael Fassbender take back this role 109 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,120 and. Bring back the flute. 110 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,080 Let's see it, yeah. But I, but I think like within 111 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,360 that, like there's been a lot of rewatching of the Alien 112 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,600 franchise of Prometheus and Alien Covenant, which is 113 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,800 obviously why we're doing those on the, the Patreon channel. 114 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,960 But I think there's also been a resurgence of Prometheus fans, 115 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,080 which is really cool to see. But there's also something that 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,200 is just a little bit like, I feel a little bit irritated 117 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,720 about it. And it's the first time I've 118 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,320 ever understood like sometimes when people talk about like 119 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,040 sports, for example, and they're like, you know, they're being 120 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,200 dragon fans when we get to like championship seasons or playoff 121 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,360 seasons. And I was like, I always felt 122 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,640 like people were feeling an ownership right over that team 123 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,720 or something like that, which there are like aspects I still 124 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,520 think that are there, but this is the first time I've ever 125 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,000 related to that feeling of like, not that I was there first. 126 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,160 So like or, or I heard that song first or saw this movie first. 127 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,640 So I have like the ownership over loving it, but it's more so 128 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,320 that like I understand this idea of sticking with something 129 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,640 through like the losing seasons of Prometheus, like that's 130 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,040 where. I'm relating. 131 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,080 And I, I think that it's, you know, interesting to see people 132 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,200 like rediscover this movie. And I, I have always thought 133 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,360 like the, the kind of criticisms of people doing like dumb stuff 134 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,320 in this movie really line up with like reality. 135 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,520 You know, we just went through like a pandemic we're talking 136 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,600 about like, so I have always found this movie fascinating, 137 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,040 not to say like I, you know, I was here first. 138 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,560 I recognized it. Nothing like that. 139 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,080 Just it's but I mean. Sort of we. 140 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,920 Were no, but I think it's just fascinating that I feel like a 141 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,360 little bit annoyed because I want I I guess like I, I want 142 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,800 people to also appreciate this movie because I want more movies 143 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,520 to be made like it. And I think that's where my 144 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,760 frustration comes from is like, I don't want to see more movies 145 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,280 like Alien Romulus, even though it was a lot of fun and there 146 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,600 were a lot of great set pieces. I want to see movies that have 147 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,840 more interesting themes like Prometheus and because there 148 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:01,440 wasn't love for it initially, we get kind of recycled be kind of 149 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,360 horror tropes. Like, you know, we get thrills 150 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,280 at the movies that just kind of repeat kind of, you know, 151 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,320 trolley dilemmas. We get like the Marvel IP 152 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,440 universe we're taking. Over theaters, Morally Gray 153 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,040 characters that aren't actually doing anything with 154 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,200 provocations. So I guess that I was, I've 155 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,880 identified I think where my frustration comes from of this 156 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,320 like re loving of Prometheus. Although I ultimately I'm very 157 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,000 happy to see it and I hope more movies get made in a vein of 158 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,600 exploring different things, like religion in a sci-fi movie. 159 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,600 Yeah, I think if you as an audience member are tired of the 160 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,360 IP ification of movies and are tired of living in this 161 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,760 wasteland of copy and paste franchises with boring formulaic 162 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,520 sequels and prequels and now legacy movies. 163 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:50,040 I do think Prometheus is a really great example, almost the 164 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,560 blueprint of how prequels or any kind of, you know, extension of 165 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:58,240 an original story can handle IP and handle franchises. 166 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Like if we're going to live in this existential postmodern 167 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,920 world of all art being in reference or in conversation 168 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,400 with past art, which does seem like what's happening over the 169 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,680 past 10 years at least, then we might as well look at something 170 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:16,520 like Prometheus that takes the original ideas or iconography, 171 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,760 maybe is a better word of the original Alien instead does 172 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,200 something bizarre, strange, and it tries to interpret that 173 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,520 original IP and say, hey, maybe the Xenomorphs are kind of an 174 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,080 accident and are almost incidental to the story and are 175 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,240 almost in a red herring to the through line of this entire 176 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,400 franchise. And even the Engineers to a 177 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,880 certain extent are a red herring too. 178 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,160 And I think what really Scott does, and he brings these 179 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,040 writers, you know, different writers than Dan O'bannon. 180 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,720 And she said, now we have John Speights and Damon Lindelof 181 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,240 writing this movie. He says, well, let's try to make 182 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,440 a science fiction horror creation myth trilogy. 183 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Yeah, which is insane. You know what I mean? 184 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,280 It's an insane premise. I don't know how this movie got 185 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,400 funded. It is a it truly is a miracle. 186 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,080 And going back to what you're saying, this movie made a lot of 187 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,040 money, so people did go and see it. 188 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,240 It's just the reaction to it was so divisive at the time. 189 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,800 And it, I think the sports analogy, the sports fan analogy 190 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,520 is really funny. It's even more serious than 191 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,360 that, I think because it's art where it's like a lot of people 192 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,440 probably don't want to feel vulnerable and say what doesn't 193 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,400 or does really work about a movie intellectually and 194 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,240 emotionally. Which is why a lot of movie 195 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,560 podcasts way away from doing new release deep dives, they'll do 196 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:36,480 like 30 minute non spoiler conversation or they'll do like, 197 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,240 you know, they'll just stick to deep dives of past movies where 198 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,840 there's already a ton of literature on those movies or 199 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,520 essays or even academic. Research. 200 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:44,960 It's a little bit more safe, yeah. 201 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,200 Right, exactly. And I do think it is weird to 202 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,880 watch this kind of new wave of Prometheus and Covenant heads, 203 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,880 though ultimately it's great for us. 204 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,360 It's looking great for us to see an extension to the, you know, a 205 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,640 finale to the David trilogy. It could definitely happen. 206 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,320 All right, so we're about to get into this movie again. 207 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,200 We are going to be talking about Prometheus. 208 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,360 We're going to be talking about Covenant. 209 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,360 So if you've not seen these films, you have to go and watch 210 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,600 them. We will be spoiling both the 211 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,440 movies. In fact, I would say you would 212 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:15,480 probably need to watch the whole Alien franchise to really. 213 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,240 Yeah, stick around for this conversation, unfortunately. 214 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,480 And also I think that we will be talking a lot about Blade Runner 215 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,920 because. That that's true. 216 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,240 Yeah, I, I think the reason we both love Prometheus and if 217 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,560 you're someone who's kind of on the fence with Prometheus, but 218 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,840 ultimately you come to the Alien franchise for a similar reason 219 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,320 that Trey and I do, which is the the kind of like labor and 220 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,080 exploitation themes in the original Alien that we talked a 221 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,400 lot about on our Alien episode. That's on Patreon, right? 222 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,960 Now the gender and sexuality crossovers. 223 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,720 Right. And also the themes that are in 224 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,400 Blade Runner, right? The original and also 2049 that 225 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,920 we talked about on the our Patreon episode as well. 226 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,240 But I I think like if that's what you come to the Alien 227 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,760 franchise for and you're interested to see like how we 228 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,920 also see that applied through Ridley's vision with this 229 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,120 franchise in Prometheus and a little less so in Alien 230 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,400 Covenant. It gets a little bit more 231 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,320 horror, you know, like monster movie and Covenant, but there's 232 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,920 still things there. But particularly, particularly 233 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,120 Prometheus, I would stick around. 234 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,200 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 235 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,760 So if you at the very least are like still not sold on getting a 236 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,400 Prometheus, you know, I'm, I'm listening to this Prometheus 237 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,360 episode, at the very least, go see Romulus because again, we do 238 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,880 want them. Because we want David. 239 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,640 Make a lot of money because we do for us. 240 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,440 I do think it would be so cool if Ridley Scott could have this. 241 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,240 And I'm just a Ridley Scott head, so I'm saying it from his 242 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,120 perspective, not to apply the auteur status thing here, but 243 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,760 have this kind of like informal mythic creative destruction 244 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,760 trilogy where we get Prometheus as this cautionary tale epic. 245 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,040 We get Covenant as the extension of human hubris, giving us more 246 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,360 of like a nihilistic nightmares of of humans as like self 247 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,160 interested and fatalist creatures who create something 248 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,200 like David who becomes this like a mortal genocidal maniac. 249 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,080 Like I'm really excited to see what the hell like these writers 250 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,720 and Scott have in store for a third film. 251 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,400 Yeah. So I am kind of just speaking it 252 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,240 into existence. I think Kelsey is too. 253 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,280 But I think the more people that go to see Romulus, hopefully 254 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,120 that's what happens. You know, it's also Disney. 255 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,680 So they could take the wrong advice from that, which is like 256 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:21,280 let's just do more of the IP slop. 257 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:22,720 I know and. See what people say Worried 258 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,880 about? All right, so today. 259 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,080 But if Ridley isn't like, actually at the, you know, the 260 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,800 driver's seat, I think it would be different. 261 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,560 He's so, you know, like he's, you know, making his last 262 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,840 probably bunch of movies, right? I feel like he's just going to 263 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,560 try to go for it even beyond like what a studio wants, I 264 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:47,840 mean. Turns 87 when Gladiator 2 comes 265 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,800 out a week after Gladiator. 287 years old. 266 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,520 Yeah. So he's already in the middle of 267 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,080 like 4 productions. So I don't, I don't know if he 268 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,880 has it in him anymore, but we'll see. 269 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,480 I mean, Gladiator 2 is going to be so sick. 270 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,000 All right, so today our episode is exclusively on Patreon. 271 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,440 As always, our Patreon episodes are deep dives and they're also 272 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,600 live commentary, so we will be discussing Prometheus while 273 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,520 watching it. 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And for anybody who wants to 291 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,160 listen and watch along Prometheus with us, you can 292 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,640 stream all of the Canon Alien films on Hulu or Disney Plus 293 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,680 right now. I believe if you're overseas, 294 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,320 they are on Disney Plus. We own all of them on Blu-ray or 295 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,640 4K with Prometheus. The 4K edition looks and sounds 296 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,720 amazing. The practical effects in this 297 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,480 movie are actually insane. I. 298 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,320 Cannot wait to talk about that. Yeah, I know. 299 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:27,400 There is also like a massive 4 hour 4/4 plus hour, you know, 300 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,440 documentary of the Making of Prometheus. 301 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:30,640 Yeah. You can watch it on YouTube. 302 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,200 Yeah, you can watch it on YouTube. 303 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,720 There's like 10 hours of bonus footage, I think, on one of the 304 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,240 Prometheus Blu rays that we have. 305 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,120 All right, on play. We'll start our journey of 306 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:47,120 meeting our makers 321 play OK, 2012's Prometheus. 307 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,640 This movie begins with an awesome Chrome blue tint over 308 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,760 20th Century Fox the opening credits we see the iconic Scott 309 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,720 Free productions of one of the great animated logos of any 310 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,240 studio credit one of my favorites. 311 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,720 And then we get the kind of majestic mystery opening of this 312 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,760 movie where we hear this menacing boom of the score 313 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,160 beginning from Harry Gregson Williams and Mark 314 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,640 Streitenfield's main theme for Prometheus, titled Life, Which 315 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,560 There's a lot of music composed for this movie, but I'm pretty 316 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,360 sure life is used like, 10 times. 317 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:20,600 And I love it. Yeah. 318 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,880 It's one of my favorite pieces of music I think I've ever heard 319 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,240 in science fiction. Yeah, I mean, there's something 320 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,240 like beautiful about it and mysterious about it. 321 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,720 Like it. It really does feel as if you're 322 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,280 seeing something for the first time captured in a sound and, 323 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,040 you know, and it's beautiful, like with the orchestra. 324 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,120 But also obviously there's very sinister things going on and 325 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,560 maybe scary things about the unknown going going on. 326 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,120 So it's a great kind of like tonal difference in the score 327 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,600 and then in the kind of horror alien universe that we're in. 328 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,320 Yeah, it almost feels Spielbergian. 329 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,720 John Williams asked. And then Ridley Scott is like, 330 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,440 just kidding. It's all dark. 331 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,400 It's all, it's all fucked up. And yeah, we get a shot of 332 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,760 Earth. And I realized when taking notes 333 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,960 recently that we're getting APOV shot of the derelict ship. 334 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,240 Yeah, like we're coming onto Earth or into Earth, or a planet 335 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:16,880 that seemingly is Earth. Right. 336 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,800 Yeah. I didn't realize that Earth was 337 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,440 even there, that we opened up on that because I had always just 338 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,079 kind of paid attention when we are like you're saying, going 339 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:27,720 through the mist of the clouds and tracking over these 340 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,040 beautiful landscapes of, like, mountains and water running down 341 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,760 them and this waterfall, right. Rushing that is like 342 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,480 overwhelming, you know what I mean? 343 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,960 In terms of like nature, like seeing something that feels like 344 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,520 it could be dangerous, but it's so beautiful and like vast. 345 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,000 Pre human life where everything. Was fine feel like dinosaur like 346 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,760 right time, but I think that, you know, when we were going 347 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,480 over this originally, I didn't realize 1 like you said, we're 348 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,880 in the point of view of the engineer ship, right, which is 349 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,400 kind of like this Oval almond like. 350 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,880 Ship. You said it reminded you of the 351 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,120 arrival ship. Yeah, Heptopods. 352 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,080 Yeah, yeah. And so they obviously have like 353 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,720 different ships for maybe different purposes. 354 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,320 Like the other one that we're going to see later on might be 355 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,120 more of a worship. But yeah. 356 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,720 But I also did not realize that we opened up to Earth because 357 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,080 I'd always been like, is this maybe a different planet? 358 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:23,000 You know, are we going to another planet where they 359 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,240 created other humans? But they tell us like later on. 360 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,680 I think in different ways you can piece together that this is 361 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,040 Earth. And when this guy who is like 362 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,360 this kind of God like figure, we're supposed to understand 363 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:39,280 this engineer, right? With translucent skin, massive 364 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,960 being with like a 12 pack at the top of this waterfall. 365 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,320 You know, we're supposed to realize that the engineers are 366 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,120 like creating humans here, right? 367 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:55,000 That's kind of like the elixir shot that he takes that we'll 368 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,440 talk more about. I have a lot of questions now 369 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,320 taking notes about this and really like trying to consider 370 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,320 the logic of this world what the black goo is because this is 371 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,320 probably a different form than we see in the tomb later on. 372 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,640 So, but but yeah, so like we're opening to to Earth essentially. 373 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,160 Right. Yeah, but it's just important to 374 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,800 note that the first time you watch this movie, or even the 375 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,560 second or third time, it's not like you know that this is 376 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,800 Earth, right? That's still left ambiguous, I 377 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,520 think. 1 Interesting. Planet am I on? 378 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,920 I think it's the first major component of this movie I'd like 379 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,000 to address is that I do think this is a singular science 380 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:33,080 fiction, you know, legacy movie because it's so often criticized 381 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,360 as an alien prequel. That explains the ambiguity and 382 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:40,800 mystery and ethereal vibe of that original jugger not from 383 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,920 LV426 and Alien. And while I'm sympathetic to 384 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,040 that, and we're certainly going to be talking about that today, 385 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,120 Prometheus is not really answering many questions, if any 386 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,920 serious ones at all. And in fact, I think you're left 387 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,040 with a lot more lore questions then you came in. 388 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,200 Definitely, yeah. If that makes sense. 389 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,320 So I think the reaction is a little bit bizarre because even 390 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,000 what you just said about him creating human life or this 391 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,480 engineer creating human life, that's like. 392 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,080 It is clear at one point they do show the DNA samples, right? 393 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,440 And they show how they line up to each other that we that we 394 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,440 come from these beings in this sci-fi world, that it's not 395 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,080 answered in this opening that this engineer on this planet is 396 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,000 Earth. He is. 397 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,360 He's creating human life or evolution as we know it. 398 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:26,960 Yeah, there's a lot of suggestion, of course. 399 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,000 There is the reveal of who is in the the seat from the original 400 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,040 alien. Yeah, yeah. 401 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,360 And that's what people I think are most upset about usually. 402 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,840 But I I do think you're right. Like there are way more 403 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,920 questions that are that come from this movie than answers. 404 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,560 And even with the engineers, like we never, even in Covenant, 405 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,240 truly figure out who they are. Anything. 406 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,840 It's more confusing. Yeah, yeah. 407 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,880 When we get there to government, I'll have a lot of questions for 408 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,600 you. But I do think that there's a 409 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,160 lot of like fascinating things going on with the idea of like 410 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,040 creation being special or like why did why did they create us 411 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,880 all the different crew members motivations for finding this 412 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,200 engineer at at the beginning of the story that we see is really 413 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,480 interesting. Like why? 414 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,440 Why did this ship, you know, come here, watch him do this and 415 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,320 leave? Have they done this on other 416 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,760 planets? Like, yeah. 417 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,160 Yeah, I guess the question I had first watching this was, oh, is 418 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,200 he like a sacrificial person? Is did he break a law? 419 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,760 Like what's going on? Here. 420 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,400 Oh, I thought he was like chosen. 421 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,520 Yeah, well, I think, well, yeah, I mean, that could definitely be 422 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,040 the first interpretation. I think I had that 423 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,840 interpretation after many rewatches because I, it wasn't 424 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,120 super clear to me what he was doing this for. 425 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,760 But obviously, yes, he is a sacrificial figure. 426 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,880 He's taking in this black goo. He starts disintegrating. 427 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,360 What is it disintegrating? Yeah. 428 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,240 Yeah. Disintegrating into bits 429 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,080 basically falls into the waterfall. 430 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,560 And the title card of Prometheus reveals itself as we watch the 431 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,840 Engineer's DNA replicate and supply in the water before we 432 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,920 cut to black. And then we're introduced to 433 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,560 someone banging on the screen. I love that transition so much. 434 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,520 Yeah, I do want to say just before we we get into Shaw and 435 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,520 like starting this whole, you know, movie with Sean Holloway 436 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,640 at the center. I I think that the like 437 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,800 practical pieces of like this world, I guess, and deleted 438 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,800 scenes we'll continue to talk about. 439 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,640 But at the beginning they were going to start with like a group 440 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,200 of engineers giving the engineer engineer here that we see alone, 441 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,760 like the particular drink, right, that he he has. 442 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,520 And I'm glad they didn't do that. 443 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,080 I'm glad they started with this like ambiguity. 444 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,960 And then also I, I think it's interesting because they, I 445 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,760 guess Ridley Scott or someone in this creative process is like, I 446 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,880 want this engineer to look like David the statue. 447 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,320 Yeah, Michelangelo is David. Right. 448 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,800 And then also the Statue of Liberty. 449 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:04,720 Yes, and Elvis Presley. Yes, to represent a a couple 450 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,360 funny things. I think people could read that 451 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:08,960 at first as like some kind of like ethnic superiority thing. 452 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,720 But I think it's a criticism against that. 453 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,360 Yeah, Western superiority, certainly in terms of 454 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:16,560 colonialism and what this movie is saying about these, the space 455 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,160 expedition crew from led by the the corporate tyrant Peter 456 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,720 Weyland, who spent apparently trillions of dollars. 457 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,440 You find God to learn how to become immortal. 458 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,840 And I think because we follow Shaw in the story, I think there 459 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,840 might be some confusion around like whether she's a protagonist 460 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,080 or not. And I think I'm definitely going 461 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,360 to make the case today that both Ridley, like in creating the 462 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:44,520 story, has criticisms of Shaw's character and kind of mission in 463 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,080 this like religious pursuit. And then also though, like, I 464 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,880 think sometimes what I don't hear in the conversation of this 465 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,800 movie, but what I think is interesting is the parallel 466 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,120 between, like you were saying, Shaw and Waylon's motives, 467 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,640 right? And how those kind of uncover 468 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,360 and and look at like contradictions within Western 469 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:05,400 mythology. Yeah. 470 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,480 And ideology, yeah, I think the prologue scene, going into 471 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,240 meeting Shaw, from her eye, she kind of breaks into this cave is 472 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,640 to me what science fiction cinema is all about. 473 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,600 Like, you take our best theories about physics and biology and 474 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,440 mythology and you warp them into something fantastical, hopefully 475 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,080 entertaining, what some people probably refer to as like a dumb 476 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,240 person's smart movie. I guess in this case, I don't 477 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,440 agree with that sentiment, but I understand why, because there 478 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,520 are some pretty big, like, lacing of contemporary or larger 479 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,600 provocations into the story. And then you have a director or 480 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,880 filmmaker and a group of artists who aren't afraid to play with 481 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,880 mythic storytelling and our relationship to it. 482 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,520 And this kind of crossover of how religion and science are 483 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,120 being warped by capitalists and colonialists in this film in the 484 00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:59,800 Periphery. And, you know, at the end with 485 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,520 Peter Weyland, and then more clearly with colonialist in, you 486 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,360 know, Covenant. I think the film of Prometheus 487 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:10,040 does all of that within a few minutes because it's like, OK, 488 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,160 let's play with this idea that the concept of God is flawed, 489 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,200 but it's sort of real too in this universe. 490 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,280 And humans in this universe maybe do have quote, UN quote 491 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,320 creators. But also these creators are not 492 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,880 the gods that you think of, right? 493 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,880 These are not the gods that you have been told they're going to 494 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,000 be like they are actually mortals. 495 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,240 And all that makes them quote UN quote God is that they 496 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,760 engineered a tool, which is this technology. 497 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,800 I guess they engineered it. We can talk about that. 498 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,920 Let's talk about what the black goo. 499 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,400 Is the black goo that acts as a fire right? 500 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,120 You know, to go with the myth of Prometheus, it acts as a as this 501 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,200 kind of element to produce life and what we learned later in the 502 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,440 movie, it's also a chaos element and has this ability to expedite 503 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,800 life and kind of rapidly go through this cycle of entropy 504 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,840 basically. And therefore, like they created 505 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,560 like this primordial creative destruction weapon. 506 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:07,320 And it is the most kind of like higher power aspect of this 507 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,480 movie, if you will. And I think that's fascinating 508 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,960 because really for me, this is like a horror creation epic. 509 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,360 You meet God and God wants to kill you. 510 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,640 And also God isn't God. And then the fear is that you 511 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,280 might have afraid of God and and the engineers angry about this 512 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,720 because when the engineers meet these humans at the end of the 513 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,280 film, he looks to his left and there's this abomination 514 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,160 standing there, Michael Fassbender as David. 515 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,840 And the engineers like, what the fuck is this thing? 516 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,520 This thing's going to live forever. 517 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,920 It's like, what we should not do, what we should not make. 518 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,840 And so, yeah, I think the movie is very smart about that. 519 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,440 What you're talking about, what we were saying at the top, this 520 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,840 parallel of Elizabeth Shaw and Peter Weyland in subverting us 521 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,640 with Elizabeth Shaw as this kind of like bad ass Ripley figure. 522 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,720 When she's got this, she's got a little twinkle in her eye that 523 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,120 it makes her a little bit out there, just like Holloway, you 524 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:54,760 know? And there's something not quite 525 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,840 right with her, you know? Yeah, we'll talk about why I 526 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,320 think their relationship is fascinating and I really 527 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,760 actually believe it in this world, even though they seem to 528 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,040 have different purposes for the same goal. 529 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,520 But I I think you're right in that, you know, the Xenomorph is 530 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,880 like a distraction and the engineer is like a distraction 531 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,040 from what the story's about, which is the people in the 532 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,240 cruise like ideology. Yeah, and, and our hubris 533 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,240 through our ideologies too, and exploitation of people and those 534 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,920 ideologies by very powerful people and what can happen as a 535 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,960 result. OK, so we're in Scotland, 2089. 536 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,680 Our lead archaeologist Elizabeth Shaw. 537 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,520 Noemi repace, or I'm sorry, it's not Noemi repace. 538 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,360 It's Noemi repace, I believe, yes. 539 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,560 I apologize if I said her name incorrectly over the past few 540 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,000 years. I'm sure I've said her name 541 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,120 before on this podcast because I love this movie. 542 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,800 And Charlie Holloway, played by Logan Marshall Green, who I 543 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,800 think is excellent in this film and I will not hear it, that he 544 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,320 is B Tom Hardy. He is his own actor. 545 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,760 I know he looks a little bit like Tom Hardy or a lot of it, 546 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,760 but he's very good in this. So they discover a 35,000 year 547 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,880 old star map in Scotland that matches a lot of other maps, I 548 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,360 guess, that they found from several unconnected ancient 549 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,440 cultures. And they interpret this as an 550 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,080 invitation from humanities, you know, fathers, if you will, the 551 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,600 engineers right Now, as far as narrative conceits go, this is a 552 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,000 major conceit in the film that is very entertaining on one 553 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,280 hand, but also like a plot hole that can piss people off, which 554 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,440 is that, you know, Shaw thinks that these God like figures who 555 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,600 are pointing toward a constellation, this star map, 556 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,200 want humans to come and find them When, you know, I guess 557 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,080 that they've evolved enough to understand what these maps even 558 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,200 mean across these ancient cultures, Which is a really cool 559 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,240 reveal at the end of the film that the stars are not an 560 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,960 invitation. In fact, they are actually a 561 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,040 warning. And that aspect is a little bit 562 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,680 confusing. So I do understand where people 563 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,520 kind of bump on that. Where are we supposed to assume 564 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,240 that these engineers sent delegate figures to Earth to 565 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,400 help ancient civilizations build technology or architecture, and 566 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,240 then these delegate figures drew identical maps, which, like, 567 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,840 it's sci-fi, it's hard sci, Yeah, so it's fine. 568 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,920 But the confusing question is why would these engineer 569 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,440 delegates make these maps? Are we supposed to assume that 570 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,560 they wanted advanced humans to go to the military installation? 571 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,200 Or were these maps for, like, other engineers to know where 572 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,080 they came from? Yeah, that makes sense. 573 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,800 Yeah. Well, I think, you know, we 574 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,200 learned that they go to the planet that this map is for, and 575 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,600 it's not actually the engineer's home planet, right. 576 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,680 And so it does make more sense if it is a warning like you're 577 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,920 saying instead of an invitation, which I've never really kind of 578 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,720 fully developed that thought until I had to. 579 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,200 Hi, hello there, sorry for interrupting. 580 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,280 Yeah, thank you for listening so far and hopefully you are 581 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,120 enjoying the episode so far. I feel like maybe if you made it 582 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,720 this far. They got it this far, you're. 583 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,200 Having a good time? 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