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Hello, welcome to the extra 
credits of the Oscars. 

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I'm Trey and I'm Kelsey. 
PTA fans are having a few small 

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beers tonight. 
One battle after another. 

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Just won best picture. 
We just left our TV after 

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sitting for almost I think 4 
hours so. 

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Long show. 
It was shorter. 

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Than. 
Than normal yeah. 

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I hope everybody had a beautiful
time watching the Oscars. 

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Or if you couldn't I'm glad you 
listened in on our show to hear 

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a reaction of what happened. 
Takeaways from the night we had 

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steak nachos. 
We'll start there. 

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We did. 
I tried my best to watch the red

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carpet though. 
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experience for me when actors 
are talking about who they're 

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wearing and I feel like I'm 
watching the capital in The 

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Hunger Games. 
Yes, and then we saw Conan 

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return. 
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brutal opening monologue, I'll 
say like maybe most of it wasn't

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his fault, or there's really 
cringy writing throughout the 

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whole, like, broadcast. 
Yeah, more than usual or in a 

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few years. 
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remembered in the early twenty 
20s pandemic era, it was pretty 

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tough riding and this reminded 
me of that were jokes just 

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didn't land. 
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kept trying to reflect on like, 
is it just a political moment of

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our country and the world that 
people just don't feel like 

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laughing at corny jokes right 
now or if the jokes just got 

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worse this year. 
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it throughout. 
I definitely think it was a 

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combination of like the jokes 
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like, I don't know, I, I wonder 
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behind the scenes. 
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are, you know, big stars, like 
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things, it's like you think, oh,
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But really, it's like, I don't 
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a joke that isn't like, isn't 
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and Robert Downey Junior. 
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except for Zendaya. 
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They're innocent on stage of 
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of the most beautiful people 
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Seen in my life, Yeah. 
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Well, that was the kind of 
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Let's start positives. 
OK, Takeaways. 

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Overall, it was a It was a 
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Show, it was actually a great 
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I found myself emotional every 
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reasons. 
I couldn't find like an actual 

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theme to why that was. 
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emotional things happening every
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Yeah. 
And it was the night of the 

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Academy finally recognizing 
probably the most important 

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director of the 21st century, 
which is Paul Thomas Anderson, 

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who has now finally accepted the
financial reigns of what, of 

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what it's like to make a 
mainstream blockbuster of 1 

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battle after another. 
And rather than celebrate him 

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and congratulate him for doing 
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provocative cinema, like, under 
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like, Phantom Thread or movies 
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Before that, for whatever 
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this is the one. 
I love to speech. 

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He was like, you really make 
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This. 
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really happy, as that's probably
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But the strange part of tonight 
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night. 
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as night on paper, and his movie
did win Best Picture and he did 

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win best Director and he did win
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And I think a lot of that is 
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And we can have a deeper 
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have liked to see maybe in a 
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Ryan Coogler basically became 
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tonight, or at least that's what
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saw everybody get up to stand up
every time he was on stage or 

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when I saw him on the Jumbotron 
at the Oscars and everybody was 

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like losing their minds. 
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blend of like, George Lucas, 
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the strangeness, the obscurness.
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accessibility of a Steven 
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storytelling and has been 
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favorite film makers, from a 
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And so he is his own director. 
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you know, just our Steven 
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Steven Spielberg. 
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powerful as Steven Spielberg was
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Schindler's List. 
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And and I think when you like 
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Steven Spielberg and there's 
like that energy of like, oh, 

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like Steven Spielberg in the 
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A similar thing was happening, 
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about. 
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was like this like a giant of 
cinema in the room with so much 

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energy at the kind of like not 
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the the start of recognition of 
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And so like, there's so much 
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but also like Ryan Coogler. 
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nominated. 
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nominated for Best picture, 
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to ever be nominated best 
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But he got to win tonight. 
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screenplay and obviously 
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And he gave a great speech and 
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little bit. 
I'd like to run through like the

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awards, just like 
chronologically of the which 

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ones we want to talk about. 
At least we can skip some we 

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don't. 
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I guess starting with Supporting
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Yeah, I I think that's a good 
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But before we do that, you've 
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Oscars and like just kind of 
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not predictions because we don't
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thing. 
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Now that we're back on TikTok a 
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just be doing like Trey's top 10
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No, but I I really don't want to
do that. 

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But was this like what you were 
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Yeah, I was expecting. 
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Oscars is to perpetuate white 
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And even though Oscars, So what 
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become more inclusive, not just 
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outside of like white status 
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status groups, but they've 
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international groups and have 
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who they're accepting the 
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Best Picture. 
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with wins like Everything 
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I think even maybe before that 
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And so there was a part of me 
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a, there's a, there's something 
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through and surprise us. 
MBJ is getting a lot of movement

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since winning at SAG or the best
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I think that's where he won over
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And I was kind of surprised and 
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Oscar tonight, then maybe we'll 
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Maybe they'll win best ensemble.
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things. 
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winning some things I think 
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When we knew when one battle won
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well, well. 
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Really, best casting, But I 
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like best ensemble. 
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going to turn into. 
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to shot the casting directors, 
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it is so cool to shout out 
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they did and it was really 
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Having some of the supporting 
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praises about these casting 
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being predominantly woman is 
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more powerful field as a lot of 
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erased by the Oscars. 
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to this, I'm like, well, this 
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to whoever, whatever, whatever 
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can afford a big ensemble. 
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said, my prediction going into 
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most Oscar nominated movie of 
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a shit that it wasn't predicted 
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And when I say nobody really 
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like that. 
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that is also working in in 
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Academy who also works in tandem
with studio systems did not 

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really seem to give a shit that 
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critical bodies were predicting 
that one battle was going to win

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best picture by far. 
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TikTok recently about how 
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absurd that is in the history of
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If you look at the movies that 
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all time, which there are three 
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over the last, there's 12 films 
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last century. 
And of those 15 films, nine of 

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those movies were predicted won 
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Nine of them did won best 
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Out of those 15, a a vast 
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picture is the point with that 
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And yet nobody really seems to 
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nominated movie of all time with
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That's two nominations more than
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you know, almost 10 years ago 
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of the 14 nominated movies over 
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And the point I'm trying to make
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thinking, well, if Sinners gets,
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turn into The Color Purple 
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like the 1985 Color Purple, 
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But that's like a mostly all 
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And it was nominated, I think 11
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Sinners won four awards tonight.
I think it was 4, but out of 16 

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nominations, which is kind of 
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And there are other cases of 
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yeah, 14 was the record before. 
Oh, gotcha. 

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Yeah, sorry, I know I'm throwing
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I guess to answer your question,
I predicted the Oscars was going

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to Oscars. 
But I'm also aware that one 

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battle is also very significant 
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It's not like it's not the Green
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It's not like a politically 

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there are problematic things 
about that film that we 

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Yeah, we talked about those like

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at length in our in our episode.
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But ultimately, that's a movie 
that is about, you know, a 

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father daughter story and 
ultimately, though, is about 

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politically like revolutions and
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And it feels revolutionary in a 
moment like this to see like 

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refugee camps or like detention 
centers, like on. 

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Screen. 
For mainstream audiences, that's

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huge. 
And so for a movie like this to 

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win best picture that will come 
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make millions more over the next
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you know, discover this film, 
that's very special. 

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I think 1 Battle is going to 
make a lot of young Jens ears or

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Jung Jin alphas at this point 
become cinephiles because 

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they're going to be like who's 
Paul Thomas Anderson? 

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Yeah, that's really cool. 
Yeah, And I think what I found 

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surprising about tonight is 
somehow I, I found faith in 

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like, the audience again, 
especially in the black 

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community, in the audience who 
were just so ecstatic for Ryan 

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Coogler and just so like, 
deeply, genuinely, authentically

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excited for his opportunity for 
Michael B Jordan's win. 

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And it did inspire me a little 
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actually. 
Maybe it's easy to say the winds

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don't matter, obviously, but 
maybe the winds don't matter 

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here, which is what matters here
is just showcasing the talent of

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some of the people who worked on
Sinners and making sure that 

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everybody hears it like loud and
clear that they respect PTA, but

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they also equally maybe respect 
Ryan Coogler. 

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That was really cool. 

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I did expect Sinners to get 
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expect this many people to rally
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Oscars. 
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before, like, I don't know if 
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last year, they didn't really 
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They kept panning to Timmy. 
They kept painting to Timmy. 

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That's exactly what I was going 
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Dylan of the Oscars. 
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just going to him and his his 
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that tonight. 
They didn't really pan to a lot 

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of actor reaction shots. 
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besides just like kind of the 
the big wide shot of after 

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someone wins their award. 
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monologuing or not. 
Making sense. 

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I was interested to to hear too,
because I know you've been like 

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talking about it and also 
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coincides with like end of year 
conversations and since, you 

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know, we like to cover movies 
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matter. 
It also the Oscars, you know, is

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related to what gets rewarded. 
But we don't traditionally, you 

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know, prop up the Oscars in 
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value or like go hard on 
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you're talking about, of like 
the types of films and actors 

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that the the Academy like tends 
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Yeah, Oscar's still got a lot of
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point with Michael B Jordan 
being now one of six men to 

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everyone best actor, a black men
everyone best actor. 

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And Halle Berry still being the 
only black woman to everyone 

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best actress. 
And Ryan Coogler now being one 

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of two black men to everyone, 
best writer and Autumn drawed 

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Arcopa being the first woman to 
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Also, you know, DPF sinners now 
one of three women to be 

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nominated for best 
cinematographer. 

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The past one, Rachel Morrison, 
who is now director in her own 

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right, was the DP for Ryan 
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Ryan Coogler film. 
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and Sinners, the power of that 
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people are missing. 
It's not just about like black 

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cinema. 
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certainly the Oscars virtue 
signaled hardcore with the 16 

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nominations because it is 
deserving, but they didn't 

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actually reward it, which means 
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aesthetic of winning Oscars but 
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it counted. 
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And I talk again, I've talked a 
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talked a lot about how Sinners 
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their way to cast diversity 
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identities in their cast and 
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cast and crew and how powerful 
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And you really felt that 
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drawled Arkropos, when you felt 
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actually tries to hire good 
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Academy, I thought that was so 
sick. 

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It was really cool. 
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It was just awesome. 
So there were a lot of moments 

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like that that just made me 
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can't happen. 
The the I guess the irony of it 

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is the the majority of special 
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speakers. 
Like even who was it tonight 

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that set free Palestine? 
Was it Javier? 

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Yeah, it was Javier Bardem set 
free Palestine and No to war. 

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Yeah. 
Right or end to war? 

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Yeah. 
And I couldn't tell. 

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I wasn't sure if they were like 
blurring out what he had on his 

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like lapel or if the red itself 
was just like the camera 

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couldn't pick up. 
I couldn't tell either, it 

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looked like it. 
It was blurred or something, 

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yeah. 
Somebody let us know what that 

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said. 
I'm sure it'll pop up on Twitter

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somewhere. 
We're we're doing, by the way, 

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this episode's coming like 
literally 5 minutes after we 

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just watched the Oscars. 
So if anything's happened in the

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news, we don't know about it. 
OK, going to the awards, best 

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supporting actress, we start the
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Award goes to Amy Madigan. 
A lot of energy to start the 

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night. 
It was really fun and honestly 

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this made me emotional. 
Yeah, because Ed Harris, her 

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husband. 
Yeah, I mean, I just got 

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emotional anytime I see like a 
partner, you know, I, I think, I

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mean, this happened throughout 
the night, but getting emotional

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for their spouse. 
Like you just see all the hard 

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work basically that like through
their spouse's eyes that this 

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person has like put into this 
thing and it's a really 

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beautiful moment. 
And he's also just like a 

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beautiful man. 
But she's a. 

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Great actor, love her. 
She was just like I shaved my 

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legs, I'm wearing. 
Pants. 

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It doesn't matter anyway. 
Shout out to Zach Krieger. 

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Shout out Zach. 
Hey, Zach. 

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Yeah, a beautiful moment for him
to. 

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Showing emotion. 
Yeah, it was, it was cool. 

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I mean, Zach's such a nice guy. 
Like it, it was really cool. 

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You could tell how happy he was 
for Amy. 

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And also just, you know, that a 
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Sinners was was nominated, but 
like, horror is not 

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traditionally recognized at the 
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And so that was really cool to 
see Amy get awarded for that and

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like weapons also get it's it's 
kind of shout out or flowers for

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that. 
We didn't talk about Conan's 

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opening. 
While most of Conan's opening 

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didn't work besides the F1 and 
then they're making a sequel. 

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All caps joke. 
I thought that was. 

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Funny. 
That was really funny, Yeah. 

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Not many people laughed. 
It's a tough crowd, but besides 

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all his other jokes not really 
being that good, he there there 

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was a great concept of opening 
the award show, which was him 

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dressed as the Amy Madigan 
character being chased by kids 

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all the way like up into the 
theater. 

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And then Conan came out, which. 
Is a cool that was cool. 

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I was like mid cooking, kept 
turning around to look. 

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I was like, wait, what's going 
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Well, cuz he and then he ran 
through all the movies, which I 

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kept saying like, look, he's in,
you know, whatever movie. 

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Yeah. 
And then we went on to craft 

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awards. 
I, I forget who we said we 

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wanted to have win for best 
supporting actress. 

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Maybe when we misaku? 
Diana Taylor would have given a 

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great speech. 
Yes, Inga for sentimental value.

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I thought she was amazing, like 
I thought she was so good in 

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sentimental value. 
But it is really cool, as you 

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said, I was trying to look up to
see if there are like actors 

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from horror films who have won, 
like best supporting actress, 

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but I couldn't find anything. 
So let us know listeners, if you

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know off the top of your head. 
Then we move on to some craft 

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awards. 
Frankenstein won, I think as 

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many Oscars as sinners tonight. 
Let me double check that. 

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How many Oscars? 
Let's see, we're do some of this

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this researching live on the 
podcast today. 

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That's OK, It's a live reaction.
We're coming on the mics like 

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right after. 
So Frankinstein looks like they 

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won three Oscars. 
Yeah, looks like 3-3 or four. 

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So close to centers, which is 
wild to me. 

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So I love Guillermo del Toro, 
happy for him. 

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I I don't love that movie but it
does look like the costumes look

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really good and the make up and 
hair styling is good so it makes

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sense to me. 
Yeah, if that makes sense. 

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Yes. 
So I do I feel a little 

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conflicted. 
About it. 

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But I also didn't love the 
movie. 

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It was like it was really hard 
to get through. 

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Yeah, I found it to be really 
underwhelming and a lot of it 

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was the Netflix she like 
whatever the kind of Netflix 

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aesthetic, the the streaming 
gloss that sometimes they like 

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put over the movies that feels 
like a like a filter that ruins 

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the film for me. 
And I, and I can't be the only 

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person who feels this way. 
I have seen some people talk 

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about it, but not with 
Frankenstein in particular, but 

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like a lot of the colors and the
production design and the 

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costumes of sinners that I was 
wowed by the Netflix of it all 

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was taking me out of it. 
So I maybe it was a little bit 

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on me for not seeing in a 
theater, but I think it was only

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in theaters for like a week. 
Yeah, and also Ted, what's his 

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last name? 
Yeah, it got a a shout out from 

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Conan. 
He was like, why are all these 

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people here, like enjoying this?
They they should be at home 

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where I can monetize it. 
And he just like was like, 

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whatever, I'm so rich it's 
crazy. 

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Laugh the the wealthy laugh off,
but the. 

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Last time a best supporting 
actress won for a horror film 

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was Ruth Gordon and Rosemary's 
Baby. 

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Whoa, who's excellent in that 
movie is the next door neighbor?

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Yeah. 
Wow. 

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Holy shit, that's been a long 
time. 

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That's like 57. 
Years same. 

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Energy. 
That's insane. 

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Similar energy. 
Kathy Bates won for best 

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actress, not supporting, 
obviously Jodie Foster won for 

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best actress. 
That's Misery and Silence of the

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Lambs. 
And yeah, that's basically it. 

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And then obviously Anthony 
Hopkins. 

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Wow. 
So it hasn't happened many 

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times. 
Sorry, I just wanted to look. 

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That up, Yeah, No, I mean, 
that's really interesting. 

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OK, animated movie. 
I think that was K pop Demon 

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Hunters, right? 
Which I'll say something about 

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later with Golden. 
OK. 

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Yeah, Trey. 
I think that was the first time 

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Trey had really heard Golden. 
No, no, I'm a high school 

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teacher. 
I'm a high school public school 

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teacher. 
I've heard I've. 

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Heard it before. 
K pop a lot. 

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But but this particular. 
Song. 

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This particular song I've heard,
OK, you heard it a lot, 

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especially in the fall. 
Absolutely. 

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For my freshman class, yes I 
have heard the song. 

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And then there was a tie for 
animated short film, right? 

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Or was that a different award? 
There was a tie. 

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There was a tie. 
I forget what exactly it was 

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for, but I'd never seen that 
before. 

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I saw Sean tweeted out that it 
was like the 7th tie of like 

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ever. 
Actually, I don't think it was 

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for animated short film, I think
it was for something else. 

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I think it was really 
documentary. 

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Short or something? 
Yeah, I think that's. 

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What it was we'll probably, 
yeah, we'll probably skip some 

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of those categories or just like
move along so we can, you know, 

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we're doing this like right 
after. 

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So we do need to go to bed. 
Yeah, so we talked about best 

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cast casting director, right, 
how she said that she's been 

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doing this for 30 years of Paul 
Tom Sanderson. 

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She. 
Didn't talk about that. 

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No. 
I thought that was, I really 

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loved the the casting award. 
You talked about how it was like

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great that we had like people 
come out from each one of the 

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films. 
It was the first time it was 

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being awarded. 
So we had like Paul Meskel, yes.

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Paltrow, Nordo. 
Wagner, Mora. 

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Chase Infinity and anyway, like 
just everyone kind of like 

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talking about the casting 
director. 

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That was really cool, but 
honestly the like everyone who 

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could have gone up just felt 
like more of a regular person 

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than other people that we see 
like have a lot of money or like

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trained for like PR kind of 
thing. 

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Agreed. 
So when? 

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And Doctor Morris said 
something, I think in Spanish at

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one point, and it cut to Delray 
Lindo. 

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I didn't catch it. 
Yeah, but Cassandra, And I'm not

452
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,160
sure how to say her last name, 
but she was like, yeah, like 

453
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,400
we've been working together for 
30 years with, you know, PTA and

454
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,000
her. 
And so they grew up together. 

455
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,560
And then she was like, and I 
also just got this Oscar before 

456
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,160
you ever have gotten an Oscar. 
Like she just felt like a a real

457
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,360
person and like they have a real
relationship and a friendship. 

458
00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:15,280
And that was just kind of 
refreshing to see on screen. 

459
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaking of PTA, best adapted 
screenplay goes to Paul Thomas 

460
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,960
Anderson. 
I think this is where he he 

461
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,720
talked about his family, right? 
He talked about writing this 

462
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,880
movie for his kids. 
I forget if this was. 

463
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,960
Because the best directors when 
he talked about his producing 

464
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,400
partner who passed away. 
Right. 

465
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,760
Yeah. 
So this was his first speech, 

466
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,320
yes. 
So he talked about his kids and 

467
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,840
he basically said that, you 
know, the the movie was like 

468
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,640
made for them and he was just so
disappointed in his generation 

469
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,280
and the world that they were 
handing to his children. 

470
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,240
And but the movie essentially 
like gave him hope that their 

471
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,600
generation was going to like 
help change things. 

472
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,240
And while that was like a 
beautiful sentiment, because 

473
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,640
obviously we need like an older 
generation or just people in 

474
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,120
general being like reflective of
the state of the world, there is

475
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,000
still something always that is 
annoying to me. 

476
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,440
I even though I like know what 
he meant, there's always 

477
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,400
something that's annoying to me 
about passing off responsibility

478
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,720
to A next generation. 
Like they're going to do things.

479
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,920
So they figured it out. 
Oh, they're like more accepting 

480
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,120
than previous generations, Like 
the kids are all right. 

481
00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:30,760
Like, I think that kind of idea 
of passing off responsibility, 

482
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,520
even though that's not what he 
was trying to say in that it, it

483
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,920
leans into that and and leans 
into a lot of that rhetoric that

484
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,400
I find to be a little 
frustrating and also what we 

485
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,960
found frustrating about the 
movie too, So politically. 

486
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,160
People can go back and listen to
our episode on that movie, and I

487
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,160
would like to do another episode
on that film one day. 

488
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,040
We talked a little bit about it 
on our second Sinners Deep dive 

489
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:57,360
that we just did on Patreon last
month and how that was the most 

490
00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:00,320
ambitious screenplay of the year
by far and probably the most, 

491
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,920
you know, dense screenplay in 
years from Ryan Cooper. 

492
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,680
And he he won as well tonight 
for his screenplay. 

493
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,320
But how PTAA director we love 
has written several screenplays 

494
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,520
that are, I think, more coherent
in what they're trying to say. 

495
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,360
And I think it's one of the 
reasons people have had so many 

496
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:19,200
issues with how he represented 
black woman in that movie or 

497
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,480
revolutionary figures in that 
movie or the Christmas 

498
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,680
Adventurers Club. 
And whether that satire lean too

499
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,280
much into parroting something 
that is like parroting a country

500
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,600
that's militarized to its core 
where like ethno upset, like 

501
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,000
ethnocentrous people are 
obsessed with taking over the 

502
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,600
nation for themselves. 
And maybe he did some funny SNL 

503
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,760
humor, but it wasn't it's not 
the time to joke about that 

504
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,200
stuff. 
It's more time to get serious 

505
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,160
about that stuff. 
And so it's like an interesting,

506
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,480
he does feel the screenplay 
feels like 5 years, like it was 

507
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,160
made five years earlier or 
something. 

508
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,440
Does that make sense? 
It feels like it was made a 

509
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,440
decade ago or like the beginning
of the first Trump 

510
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,280
administration where you could 
be a little bit more optimistic 

511
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,240
and be like, after Trump left 
office, we go to Biden. 

512
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,040
I can see him writing this 
screenplay and being like, 

513
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,360
weird. 
It's time to pass it off to the 

514
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,080
new generation, the Greta 
Tomburgs of the world, if you 

515
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:09,800
will. 
Like I can. 

516
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,600
I can see how that could happen.
But now it just feels. 

517
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,000
I don't know. 
I don't want to. 

518
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,000
I don't want to do all this 
again. 

519
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:16,800
We already didn't. 
Episode. 

520
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,040
Yeah, yeah, you can go listen to
the episode. 

521
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,400
But I do want to say like for 
anyone who's just finding our 

522
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,920
show, it's not that we think you
can't approach something like 

523
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,560
from a satirical lens and have a
cutting like biting commentary 

524
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,960
of something. 
It was more so that the movie 

525
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,880
was running on the idea of like 
the the revolutionary, like 

526
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:44,760
spirit of like basically Leo as 
the the seventh guy in this this

527
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,200
this revolutionary group. 
And like PTA. 

528
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,640
Yeah, PTA thought it would be a 
funny concept to be like, what 

529
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,560
would it be like to to make a 
movie about this guy, the 

530
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,440
seventh most important guy here 
who kind of just like sits in 

531
00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,120
the back and like does the bomb 
thing and and and then later on 

532
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,960
kind of has a daughter, but is 
watching a battle of Algiers. 

533
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,960
Like, you know, getting high and
kind of living in this mind 

534
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,520
space of being like, oh, yeah, I
feel like I did enough sort of. 

535
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,000
But I'm. 
And I maybe you could feel a 

536
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,480
little guilty, but ultimately 
like this is just the state of 

537
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,720
the world now. 
And so Paul Thomas Anderson was 

538
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,200
exploring this idea of like a 
white guy needing to to kind of 

539
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,600
like come to terms with the the 
fact that he was like feeling 

540
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,200
too comfortable. 
And that he ultimately like, 

541
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,880
when it came time to need to 
know the password, like didn't 

542
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,480
know the password because he was
naive enough to think that like 

543
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,600
this, that everything that was 
happening in the world was not 

544
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,560
going to come for him, you know?
And so like, obviously there is 

545
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,640
like something happening. 
There is there are interesting 

546
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,720
things happening there that we 
discussed on our podcast with 

547
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,680
the Christmas Adventurers Club 
with everything that you said 

548
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,400
about that. 
But ultimately, I think that the

549
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,400
movie, you know, was riding on 
this like father daughter story,

550
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,560
which people were talking like 
far more about and it was less 

551
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,400
successful with the political 
commentary. 

552
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,560
And that's like more So what 
we're talking. 

553
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,440
About well, I actually think he 
won best screenplay because of 

554
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,440
the Benicio Del Toro like side 
plot, the subplot of his 

555
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,640
character with the Underground 
Railroad of like Latino 

556
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,600
immigrants and refugees and 
stateless people who he is 

557
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,520
basically securing in like this 
town on the top of buildings 

558
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,800
were like corner shops. 
And when watching that the first

559
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,840
time in theaters, I've talked a 
lot about this and how emotional

560
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,520
I got when first watching this 
and to see or to learn later, 

561
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,800
after seeing One Day After 
Another that Benicio del Toro 

562
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,200
wrote that into the screenplay. 
It was weird to watch Paul 

563
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,440
Thomas Anderson win a screenplay
for that. 

564
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,560
So I think he won for that. 
I don't think he won for the 

565
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,040
father daughter. 
I don't think he won for the 

566
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,720
Christmas Adventurers Club. 
I think he won because of Nisa 

567
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,160
del Toro's character and what he
represented right now in the 

568
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,280
country. 
And I find it strange that he 

569
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,080
won for this And I love Paul 
Thomas Anderson. 

570
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,080
You cannot fucking come for me 
in the comments, OK? 

571
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,240
You just fucking you've done. 
A lot of Paul Thomas Anderson 

572
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,240
talk if. 
You're going to come for any 

573
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480
podcast, so Paul Thomas Anderson
can't be fucking this one. 

574
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,200
All right. 
But I'm saying all that to say 

575
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,240
it was very strange to listen to
his speeches tonight and not 

576
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,040
hear like Ice brought up. 
You know what I mean? 

577
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,240
Like I, I find it. 
Very it was. 

578
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,280
OK, Yeah. 
It's very I'm not talking about 

579
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,240
anything political. 
It's very telling about the 

580
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,640
movie, about what it it's trying
to talk about, which is 

581
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,040
ultimately being about a white 
man and his strange relationship

582
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,160
to the ways in which he 
fetishizes people of color. 

583
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,080
And I mean that about Lockjaw 
and I mean that about Leo, his 

584
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,040
character and him coming to 
terms with his privilege, even 

585
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,440
if he thinks he used to be a 
radical. 

586
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,600
And that is sort of a self 
absorbed, very white story to 

587
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,200
tell. 
And Benicio can't comes in and 

588
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,880
kind of politically juices it 
up. 

589
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,200
And I think PTA weirdly got 
credit for that. 

590
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,160
And it was weird not to hear him
think Benicio in the I thought 

591
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,040
about all that. 
I was just thinking in his 

592
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:57,400
speeches, like I I was just like
fascinated that he didn't say 

593
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,240
anything besides like thinking 
his family. 

594
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,560
I know that was like supposed to
be something that was, you know,

595
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,400
what the movie was about of like
the next generation, like having

596
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,120
hope for change. 
But yeah, like it, it's I also 

597
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,680
saw like no, like actors, like 
with well, not no actors, but 

598
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,120
not a lot of actors with like 
pins on or like it just felt 

599
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,120
like a lot of more like 
apolitical, not even apolitical,

600
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,440
just like trying to stay away 
from politics and and like just 

601
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,160
thinking loved ones. 
Who gave the speech tonight 

602
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,920
about how when you're complicit 
in the face of fascism, we lose 

603
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:32,560
our countries? 
I think. 

604
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,120
That was like one of the best 
speeches and it was from the 

605
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,480
documentary the. 
Putin documentary. 

606
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,760
Yeah, I think from the film 
makers. 

607
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,040
Yeah, you basically was saying 
like a not word for word, but 

608
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,200
like that we it doesn't just all
happen at once, right? 

609
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760
It like happens in all these 
small moments and like being 

610
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,840
complicit is a part of that. 
And like everyone has a 

611
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,880
responsibility. 
And then there was another. 

612
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,240
It was like there was a movie 
that was about that called The 

613
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,000
Secret Agent, starring Dr. Mora 
and some of the great, one of 

614
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,680
the greatest collection of set 
pieces that I've ever seen from 

615
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,600
that amazing Brazilian film. 
Yeah, it's almost like the 

616
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,560
Brazilian film that came out 
last year was also the best 

617
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,080
movie of the year. 
And I'm still here about that 

618
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,600
very subject. 
Yes, and I, you know, really who

619
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,040
should have won the best casting
door award in my opinion was 

620
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,560
secret agent. 
I agree but just I mean going to

621
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,160
if you haven't had a chance to 
watch Secret agent yet, like all

622
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,200
the different locations. 
First time actors. 

623
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,000
All the different actors like 
who are filling the set making 

624
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,840
it feel so lived in. 
Recreating it like literal time 

625
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,440
period perfectly. 
Yeah, but yeah. 

626
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,520
And there was another speech. 
Brian Coogler. 

627
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,160
Who? 
Well, yeah, but who gave the 

628
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,360
speech about? 
They quoted James Baldwin or 

629
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:42,920
there's. 
A Yeah, Joachim. 

630
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,760
True. 
James Baldwin Oh, yeah, OK. 

631
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,400
And Joachim True was like, let's
make like all adults have a 

632
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,760
responsibility to take care of 
children, like vote accordingly,

633
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,520
but you know, nothing. 
There was nothing that was like 

634
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,240
really like pushing any any 
boundaries. 

635
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,440
It was the guy who made the 
documentary about basically 

636
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,240
what's happened to Russia, which
and, and the relationship to 

637
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,040
Ukraine as well. 
And like that makes sense to me.

638
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,240
But still, it was just strange 
to watch somebody, a white man 

639
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,560
in the Oscars, even if it is PTA
who's made some of the more even

640
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,120
he's not known as a political 
filmmaker. 

641
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,600
I think he is a political 
filmmaker. 

642
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,480
I. 
Think he made there will be 

643
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,120
blood like. 
Well, I think it's fucking 

644
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,280
insane to not call him a 
political. 

645
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,760
Director I also think it's weird
because it's like he, you know, 

646
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,000
doesn't have and again, love 
PTA. 

647
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,120
I'm just a little disappointed 
because he doesn't need, like, 

648
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,480
he doesn't need conservatives to
watch his movies. 

649
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,640
He doesn't need these, like, big
audiences to watch his movies. 

650
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,600
He is like, a giant in the film 
space where people already, 

651
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,040
like, celebrate him so intensely
and so, like, he's kind of, 

652
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,440
like, untouchable in terms of 
what he represents as a 

653
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,320
director. 
So it was just, yeah, I guess it

654
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,600
was just weird to not see him 
say anything. 

655
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,640
Ryan Coogler won best 
screenplay, Best original 

656
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,560
screenplay huge. 
His speech was short but it was 

657
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,400
as per usual, Ryan Coogler like 
extremely thoughtful and warm 

658
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,240
and he packs a punch with few 
words like and he did here where

659
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,560
he thanked his, his crew, his 
wife, his kids and basically 

660
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,760
said sorry to his children for 
missing out on parts of their. 

661
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,640
Yeah, he just said. 
Starts being away all the time, 

662
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,120
Yeah. 
For making these movies and 

663
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,800
something I found powerful about
that. 

664
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,480
I talked about this recently on 
our Sooners episode that I I 

665
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,720
fear we're going to lose Ryan 
Coogler to retirement at a young

666
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,080
age. 
I'm just going to throw that out

667
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,680
there as an idea for people to 
think about because of the 

668
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,480
massive responsibility. 
He takes the shit so seriously 

669
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,760
and I'm so happy that he does 
cause so many film makers or 

670
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,280
artists who become, as you know,
as successful as a Ryan Coogler 

671
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,760
who's legitimately a 
millionaire. 

672
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,840
Now they start talking about how
they start not talking about the

673
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,120
platform they have. 
They start talking about that 

674
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,240
they don't actually have a 
larger responsibility, going 

675
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,800
back to the PTA point, that they
don't need to speak to these 

676
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,880
broader ideas, that they're not 
the politicians, they're not the

677
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,320
policy makers, they're not 
academics. 

678
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,360
And it's interesting. 
Ryan Coogler has just sort of 

679
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,480
like accepted the fact that he 
will take on the responsibility 

680
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,320
of film makers before him who 
couldn't have a platform, the 

681
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Spike Lee's who have been erased
from the Oscars or John 

682
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,960
Singleton's who couldn't make 
it. 

683
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,120
And until they die too young and
like or Gina Prince Pythewood or

684
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,120
like other film makers of color 
who have just not been 

685
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,200
recognized as frequently as a 
Ryan Coogler and he's just 

686
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,400
taking on that mantle. 
But I can see it wearing on him.

687
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,400
And I can see that tonight a 
little bit too. 

688
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,360
But if but I could see him also 
take a deep like a a breath of 

689
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,440
fresh air when seeing somebody 
like MBJ win her best actor. 

690
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,400
Like he felt I could see in his 
I mean, I was maybe was 

691
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,240
projecting. 
There was an accomplishment 

692
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,960
there where he he felt like 
we're getting somewhere, or at 

693
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,720
least that's what I was reading 
onto his face. 

694
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,760
And also for MBJ, who's like a 
great director in his own right,

695
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,680
you know, winning best actor. 
It just felt like the stars 

696
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,480
really aligned tonight for the 
Ryan Coogler career because I 

697
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,240
was worried. 
We just did our Sinners podcast 

698
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,360
and I went through like a whole 
15 minute like monologue about 

699
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,600
how I'm worried that he's going 
to have a young career quote, UN

700
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,560
quote young career like a George
Lucas, which is to say, make, 

701
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:04,160
you know, 7 movies and then 
retire because of maybe going to

702
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,840
producer status or trying to 
basically put other film makers 

703
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,639
on because he's done his best 
because he doesn't want to lose,

704
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,280
you know, half his life doing 
this. 

705
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,080
And he kind of noted that 
tonight in a speech which I 

706
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,719
thought was interesting. 
Yeah. 

707
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,040
And I think, you know, part of 
that is the the idea that of 

708
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,600
what basically Ryan Coogler has 
had to do to like get to this 

709
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,679
place with sinners. 
You know, and I think part of 

710
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,120
part of that also is like what 
you're talking about before 

711
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,280
with, yes, like Ryan Coogler 1, 
Michael B Jordan 1. 

712
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,760
Like, there was this huge, like,
energy around sinners and huge 

713
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,480
energy around Ryan Coogler, who 
you can just tell is like an 

714
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,040
amazing person, you know, like, 
just one of the warmest people. 

715
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,719
It's just like. 
When he picked up autumn Durald 

716
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,080
Arcapas son or child and carried
them down that. 

717
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,600
Was awesome. 
That was so cool. 

718
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,639
Yeah. 
And I feel like, especially 

719
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,719
because I was thinking, like, 
most directors or actors, like, 

720
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,720
wearing suits, like being super 
fancy, that that night wouldn't 

721
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:01,800
have done that because you're 
just in like, a physically 

722
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,360
awkward position to hold, like a
kind of a child who's not, like,

723
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,360
a toddler or something, right? 
Like running from the back up to

724
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,440
the front. 
And I was like, that was so 

725
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,040
cool. 
And just like real, you know, to

726
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,120
to have like to make sure that 
like her kid was included. 

727
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,560
That was like really special. 
But but what I was going to say 

728
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,360
more so was like, you could tell
like the the like immense like 

729
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,880
pride that he felt for Michael B
Jordan winning, like them being 

730
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,960
like collaborators, you know, 
for so long and just being like 

731
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,040
so happy for Michael B Jordan. 
But also I I don't think, you 

732
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,320
know, that means like the 
industry is going to change, 

733
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,280
right? 
And I think Ryan Coogler is 

734
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,680
probably aware of that. 
And I think that the idea of 

735
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,520
feeling like this, not 
exhaustion, but like, yeah, he's

736
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,680
like working so hard up against 
like a white industry to. 

737
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,480
Whole career has been a 
reclamation project. 

738
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,960
Yeah. 
Like, I'm going to use Black 

739
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,000
Panther to reclaim the ways in 
which people talk about the 

740
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,320
black community in poverty or 
African nations that have been 

741
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,000
struggling in in decolonial 
periods. 

742
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,720
And I'm going to like reclaim 
Creed from people who have 

743
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,080
mythologized and fantasized 
about a white working class 

744
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,440
meritocracy Percy Base like 
American Dream hero and Rocky 

745
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,720
Balboa and how they made the 
capitalist of those films while 

746
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,080
being the best friend of Rocky 
and a great performance. 

747
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,520
Apollo Creed, who is the 
antagonist, especially those 

748
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,240
first two films, reclaiming that
name of Creed and reclaiming 

749
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,080
Apollo, reclaiming people of 
color in the boxing sport, which

750
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,520
is predominantly a sport that 
has been popularized by people 

751
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,880
of color in America. 
And then also with Black Panther

752
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,760
2 doing that again and then 
coming back with Sinners. 

753
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,280
And it's it's just been a long 
career. 

754
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,200
I mean, he started off the 
Fruitvale Station, which is like

755
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,760
trying to do basically the 
origins of Black Lives Matter 

756
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,320
with the story of Oscar Grant, 
which is extremely powerful. 

757
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,120
I just watched that movie a few 
times over the past few weeks 

758
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,760
and preparation for all these 
conversations we've been having 

759
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,680
with Sinners and now the Oscars.
And that's probably his best 

760
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,280
movie, dramatically. 
I think so too. 

761
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,400
I mean, that it showcases like, 
what his talents are as a 

762
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,280
director, Like is this is the 
dramatic like, piece of all the 

763
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,960
movies, which is why all the 
movies are so successful in 

764
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,680
terms of like an action, a 
sports movie or whatever. 

765
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,000
Like at the court. 
He's just so good at drama and 

766
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,640
like, character stories that 
when he's like, just doing that 

767
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,400
in Fruitvale, it's so evident. 
Yeah. 

768
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,320
And it's the same thing with 
Sinners, though Sinners is 

769
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,040
basically about reclaiming 
culture. 

770
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,320
A theft of culture, a theft of 
identity, a theft of self. 

771
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,680
And it feels like he's 
reclaiming like individualism in

772
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,400
in the black community from 
capitalist villains in the 

773
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Vampires Assimilator. 
Villains on the red carpet he 

774
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,560
had like those were awesome. 
But also, you know, what's 

775
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,720
interesting, throughout this 
whole race, I really haven't 

776
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,360
heard it talked about that. 
Like, Michael B Jordan is also a

777
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,600
director. 
You know, like, I feel like if 

778
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,840
we. 
Yeah, if we had. 

779
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,720
Like Creed 3 rules. 
Yeah, yeah. 

780
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,720
Like in terms of the way it's 
made, it's really well made. 

781
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:16,920
Yeah, we did a whole deep dive 
on Creed, but then I think Creed

782
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,480
two and three are Creed patron 
episode. 

783
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,200
But But yeah, I I think that 
like that wasn't talked about 

784
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,920
enough too. 
But yeah, OK, so. 

785
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,200
So that was a speech, I think. 
Yeah, we talked about the speech

786
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,680
from Coogler. 
We didn't note that my Rudolph 

787
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,920
was visibly crying, which also 
made us visibly cry looking at 

788
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,760
one another. 
Because we love my Rudolph and 

789
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,560
we're doing Bridesmaids on 
Patreon this month. 

790
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,680
Which we didn't know was the 
15th anniversary. 

791
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,760
I had no idea it was the 
anniversary we're doing for Rose

792
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,120
Byrne and My Rudolph, because we
want to shout out My Rudolph for

793
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,920
never getting credit for some of
P TS humor. 

794
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,120
And so it gave us opportunity. 
But it's funny how much like my 

795
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,480
Rudolph and Rose Byrne and 
Kristen Wiig, among others, were

796
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,680
like back tonight. 
Yeah, it was amazing. 

797
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,160
Should we talk about like some 
of the best people to give out 

798
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,200
awards like the OR should we do 
that after? 

799
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,800
No, yeah, I so it's either the 
fun stuff or the sad stuff 

800
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,080
because we got the tribute, OK, 
or we have the funny bits and 

801
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,040
there were only a few. 
OK, I thought you meant sad 

802
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,320
stuff is like just like bad 
writing, like a Chris Evans. 

803
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,680
No, no, Robert, Johnny. 
I do want to talk about that 

804
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,240
though. 
OK, so I mean, I guess let's 

805
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,400
just talk about the sad 1st and 
then we'll because it's not. 

806
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,280
So I was walking the dog. 
So you got it? 

807
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:26,840
Yes. 
OK. 

808
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,360
Billy Crystal came. 
Out so we were trying to figure 

809
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,680
out like what what's a good time
for for Trey to to walk the dog 

810
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,120
snowing outside. 
He opens the door, snowing like 

811
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,880
he's in. 
His I was like, we'll be quick. 

812
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,880
And then I open the door. 
I'm like. 

813
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,200
Flies so OK, so then I, we I 
thought like maybe I could you 

814
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,200
know, summarize a like 
documentary short or something, 

815
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,880
but something that we haven't 
been able to like watch all 

816
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,520
everything in the category. 
So and then the tribute comes on

817
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,720
Billy Crystal comes out. 
He is walking out to it had to 

818
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,680
be you like a we just did Harry 
met Sally on Patreon, talked a 

819
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,720
lot about Rob Reiner watched re 
watched a lot of his movies like

820
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,800
a few good men. 
And so Billy Crystal obviously 

821
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,920
like being close with Rob Reiner
talks about all of his his films

822
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,720
just had a really emotional like
speech and but also Billy 

823
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,560
Crystal's so funny. 
So it's like a light but warm 

824
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,040
moment going through everything 
you know, and it's just crazy to

825
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,760
see. 
All the films like back-to-back,

826
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,960
Harry Met Sally, Stand By Me, 
Misery, Spinal Tap, like. 

827
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,440
A few good men. 
Princess Bride, like, it's just,

828
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,440
it's wild. 
Yeah. 

829
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,160
And he also like, was able 
because he like played, you 

830
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,320
know, roles in so many of those 
movies, was able to like, kind 

831
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,600
of do like the pecan pie, like 
little jokes throughout. 

832
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,040
It do have his lines in the 
movies. 

833
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:45,800
And then the the screen comes up
and all of the actors that are, 

834
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,440
you know, prominent in like Rob 
Reiner's movies come out like 

835
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,160
Demi Moore, Meg Ryan, a bunch of
people. 

836
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,680
Yeah. 
And that was really beautiful. 

837
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,400
Turn around. 
Like look at the the screen and 

838
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,120
I. 
Very nostalgic moment. 

839
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,680
Yes, so I. 
Videotaped that who weren't, who

840
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,760
weren't alive during. 
Most of the films really 

841
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,160
videotaped it. 
You got the camcorder out. 

842
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,880
Yeah, with my phone it. 
Was very nice. 

843
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,160
And then and then Trey came back
in. 

844
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,120
I came in for the saddest part. 
Yes, which was Rachel McAdams. 

845
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,120
Who we love We just did a month 
on on Patreon. 

846
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,720
We're doing a lot of Patreon 
plugs by accident. 

847
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,520
Right now I know it's. 
It's just coincided. 

848
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,720
Well, obviously they had movies 
come out so like. 

849
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,000
It's a lot of programming on our
end. 

850
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,480
Which should we tell people what
we're doing for Patreon this 

851
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,600
month? 
I said bridesmaids. 

852
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,560
And Rachel McAdams. 
Oh, my God. 

853
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,520
We're doing the notebook. 
We're doing the. 

854
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,400
Holy shit. 
Yeah. 

855
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,600
Wow. 
This is really working out. 

856
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,760
Rachel McAdams is one of our 
favorite actors of all time. 

857
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,800
She is our generations Julia 
Roberts, I guess our 

858
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,800
generation's Julia Roberts and 
Daya we have to talk about with 

859
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,120
the drama. 
And before Zendaya, though, I 

860
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,240
would assume it's Rachel McAdams
in terms of that lineage, if you

861
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,000
will. 
We're just like making this up 

862
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,680
as we go. 
But that sounds about right and.

863
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,240
Julia Roberts, then Rachel 
McAdams, then Zendaya. 

864
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,280
She spoke to the life of 
Catherine O'Hara and then also 

865
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,080
Diane Keaton in particular. 
And when she's talked about 

866
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,360
Diane Keaton in her career and 
her time with her on set and 

867
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,840
that that speech made me 
emotional. 

868
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,200
I mean. 
In the kitchen. 

869
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:20,240
I can't tell ever if, you know, 
actors in these situations, of 

870
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,520
course, they probably feel a 
personal connection to the 

871
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,640
people that they're working 
with. 

872
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,760
And also like, you know, there's
a a huge, like, cultural 

873
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,160
relationship to a lot of the 
actors, right? 

874
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,400
So of course they could actually
be getting emotional, but 

875
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,160
they're also actors. 
So it's like, it's hard for me 

876
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,840
sometimes to be like, how much 
are they giving emotion? 

877
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,720
But it doesn't even matter. 
Like Rachel McAdams just makes 

878
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,000
me cry, you know, she. 
Yeah. 

879
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,120
She has that ability and then 
Robert Redford after that, as 

880
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,520
well as a lot of other like 
Robert Duvall. 

881
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,120
A lot of the actors were 
mentioned that are very notable.

882
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,560
This, the Memoriam, is that what
it's called In Memoriam? 

883
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,680
These don't always work. 
They're pretty inconsistent. 

884
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,560
This was the best one I think 
I've ever seen and I don't know 

885
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,920
why and I think it's. 
Well, they had a person like 

886
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,800
speak to someone. 
Who had a personal relationship 

887
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,040
with someone who had passed? 
That must be what it is. 

888
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,240
And it doesn't feel as 
inauthentic as just putting a 

889
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,360
bunch of faces on the board with
some music for 7 minutes. 

890
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,520
So. 
There's one they had like a live

891
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,920
dance during it that felt extra 
weird. 

892
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,440
Yeah. 
But I I would also say this one 

893
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,360
was like the the best one 
they've done. 

894
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,720
It felt the most personal like 
you said. 

895
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,720
There was a documentary moment 
we already talked about, and 

896
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:34,720
Jimmy Kimmel came out, joked 
about how you know. 

897
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,520
He was like, I think he was 
introducing the documentaries 

898
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,360
and he was saying like, they're,
you know, we should really value

899
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,520
free speech. 
And like there are certain 

900
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,360
countries that don't. 
I won't say which one. 

901
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,680
You know, like. 
The funny stuff, but and then I 

902
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,760
think we already talked about 
the. 

903
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,400
Documentaries. 
Yeah. 

904
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,400
And then we go to score, which 
is Ludwig Gordenson. 

905
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,800
Ludwig Gordenson. 
Yeah, Great speech. 

906
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Very quick, very beautiful. 
Well practiced. 

907
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,960
Yeah, well practiced. 
He was like my dad on the other 

908
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,080
side of the world, like, listen 
to a Blues record and made him 

909
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,440
fall in love with music. 
He put a guitar in my hand at 

910
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,240
the age of seven. 
That led me to the greatest 

911
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:16,040
storyteller of our generation, 
Ryan Coogler. 

912
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,320
I was like, holy shit. 
Like, you just did a great job. 

913
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,760
He really like just boom, boom, 
boom. 

914
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,600
And also it was cool because not
only is like music such a a 

915
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,520
great part of that movie and 
it's a great score, but I think,

916
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,560
you know, there's so much 
thematically with like Sammy, 

917
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,320
like and you know, Miles Katon's
character, like having a guitar 

918
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,840
in his hand and what music 
represents in that movie. 

919
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,480
So it was a really cool when and
then speech. 

920
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,960
Yeah, art as mobility is a big 
theme for Sammy's character and 

921
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,520
sinners. 
And yeah, somehow Goranson 

922
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,680
conveyed that, even though his 
speech was a little jokingly. 

923
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,840
I said this to Kelsey on the 
couch, it was a little similar 

924
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,120
to Jack O'connell's character's 
whole bit where you're just 

925
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,600
like, you're such, so good at 
this. 

926
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,000
Like, I need to be around you to
consume your powers. 

927
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,000
And, like, it was. 
So it's sort of funny hearing 

928
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,960
Goranson kind of say it like he 
was Jack O'connell's character. 

929
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Anyways, sound went to F1. 
OK, that was the sound of our 

930
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,520
room when F-11 editing went to 1
battle after another. 

931
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,480
Sure, it was extremely well 
edited. 

932
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,840
I think the best sequence that 
was edited in that movie was 

933
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,920
probably when Leo was trying to 
escape with the skateboarders 

934
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,560
jumping from rooftop to rooftop 
and he falls and then he gets 

935
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,840
tased. 
I also like when he snipes to 

936
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,080
save chase Infinity like it's a 
sniper has the car and he goes 

937
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,880
to then they go to do the Mad 
Max sequence. 

938
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,480
Like all that's really well 
edited cinematography. 

939
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,640
We already talked about Autumn 
Durald Arcopa it. 

940
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,960
Was cool to see though Demi 
Moore who like we talked about 

941
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,240
last year, it was like wild that
she didn't get the the win for 

942
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:04,040
that. 
Like being in Hollywood for so 

943
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,320
long. 
It was a cool though to see Demi

944
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,760
Moore give her the the award. 
Right. 

945
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,600
We talked about how like, both 
Mikey Madison and Demi Moore 

946
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,520
were deserving of that award. 
But the Oscars traditionally 

947
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,560
reward young woman because it's 
usually like an older, like, 

948
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,360
like male dominated voter bodies
for these award bodies and 

949
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,600
especially the Oscars, and they 
tend to only reward young women 

950
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,520
and only reward older men as to 
like preserve their own status. 

951
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:32,600
People weren't really ready for 
that conversation. 

952
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,480
Last Oscars when we talked about
that, we got a lot of pushback 

953
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,240
on that about people being like,
well, she deserved it. 

954
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,240
Mikey Madison deserved it. 
I'm like, yeah, I also love 

955
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,680
Mikey Madison. 
She does deserve it. 

956
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,680
But Demi Moore has been doing 
this bullshit for 35 years and 

957
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,520
that's exact. 
That's like exactly what's going

958
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,680
to happen to somebody like 
Timmy. 

959
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,200
It will happen to they're going 
to like quote, UN quote, deserve

960
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,240
it when they're 50 so they can 
keep they can stop. 

961
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,080
Went for like a random movie 
where he's inside a bear. 

962
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,440
Yeah, probably. 
Best international feature 

963
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,680
Joachim Trier, which is great 
sentimental value. 

964
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,200
Yeah, loved seeing Sentimental 
Value cast on stage because I 

965
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,560
love Renata. 
I love the guy that she always 

966
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,440
stars with and who also stars 
basically like he was Joachim 

967
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,200
Trier's original Renata Ron's 
Fay, Ron's Fay. 

968
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,160
But then, he has now become the 
love interest of Renata Ron. 

969
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,800
'S Anders Danielson, Lee. 
Yes, love him Anders and yeah, 

970
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,360
so it was cool to to to see like
everyone on stage. 

971
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,120
But I do think like that movie 
or that award should have gone 

972
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,440
to Secret Agent. 
Agreed, I think it should have 

973
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,520
gotten a secret agent as well. 
And there are a lot of great 

974
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,800
international teachers. 
Like it was just an accident. 

975
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,680
There's a lot of good 
international movies this year. 

976
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,600
Any the James Baldwin 
paraphrase. 

977
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,480
Yeah, we already talked about 
it. 

978
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,360
OK, that was pretty cool. 
Best actor MBJ. 

979
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Anything else to say about MB J?
I think it was just like a 

980
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,480
really. 
Strange like race. 

981
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,520
Sorry, what were you going to? 
Say, well, yeah, I think going 

982
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,280
into the movie, I mean into the 
movie, into the, the movie that 

983
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,240
is the Oscars, into the, the 
telecast. 

984
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,920
I, I was like, OK, you know, I 
don't think Timmy's getting it. 

985
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,760
But wait, maybe he could still 
get it because of like this like

986
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,360
long campaign he's doing. 
I I want Michael B Jordan to get

987
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,040
it. 
I think Timmy like could also 

988
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,640
deserve it. 
Wait, is Leo going to get it or 

989
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,760
they're just going to like vote 
for the like for Leo even though

990
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,360
they're already given him one? 
And I'm I was really happy that 

991
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Michael B Jordan got it, But I 
was, I really didn't know 

992
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,200
totally what the Oscars body, 
voting body was going to do 

993
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,960
here. 
Well, this is the rare case in 

994
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,080
which an actor wins for their 
best performance. 

995
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,040
Like I think Michael B Jordan 
won for his best performance and

996
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,840
that felt like satisfying 
because Timmy. 

997
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,040
I think people are lying to 
themselves that Marty Supremes 

998
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,520
is best performance. 
I like that movie, I like the 

999
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,440
performance, but I also saw Dune
2 and I was like holy shit. 

1000
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,680
As Paula trades in Dune Part 2. 
Or if you want to say like you 

1001
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,720
could argue, call me by your 
name or you could argue 

1002
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,280
beautiful boy. 
There's like a lot of we were 

1003
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,200
ranking. 
Of his performances on what 

1004
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,480
episode? 
But I think that I think it's 

1005
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,160
it's up there with his best 
performances. 

1006
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,760
I think it's like second for me.
I think we've disagreed on this 

1007
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,640
in our ranking. 
That's a great performance. 

1008
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,880
I just, I really, I think people
forget the conversations we were

1009
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,280
having when Dune Part 2 came 
out. 

1010
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,840
We were like, this is Empire 
Strikes Back and this is like a 

1011
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,600
subversion of Skywalker or 
Anakin, whatever. 

1012
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,920
And it's a lot of fun. 
I know, I know, I understand. 

1013
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,600
That's the source material. 
And also Dew McGregor came out. 

1014
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,280
Obi Wan came out. 
Looking preserved as the Jedi, 

1015
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,480
he is him. 
Nicole Kidman, have something 

1016
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,040
going on? 
I almost had sex on stage. 

1017
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,880
Yeah, it was honestly, I was 
like, OK, I see this, even 

1018
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,160
though it's a bit. 
He is so her type, like she 

1019
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,600
married Keith Urban and Tom 
Cruise. 

1020
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,600
Like, he is like right up her 
alley there. 

1021
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,720
I hope this happens for them. 
But yeah. 

1022
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:53,080
But back to Michael B Jordan's 
speech. 

1023
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,040
So Michael B Jordan, child star 
The Wire, Friday Night Lights. 

1024
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,280
Vince Landrieu was also in the 
crowd. 

1025
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,560
Wish we got a Landry moment. 
One more DAP up a Friday. 

1026
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,680
Friday night. 
You seen the interview or the 

1027
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,280
conversation they had with actor
on actors Fruitvale station, 

1028
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,960
Creed, Black Panther, sinners. 
Some mess ups in his career but 

1029
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,920
nothing that he did wrong with. 
Just bad movies like Fantastic 

1030
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,480
Four or like action films that 
never really worked or buddy 

1031
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,080
comedies that never worked. 
I guess now I'm just curious, 

1032
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,240
like does he become Tom Cruise 
or Denzel Washington? 

1033
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,720
Like does he become one of the 
last real movie stars that we've

1034
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:35,880
been talking about with Timothy 
Chalamet? 

1035
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:41,320
It's just, it's an interesting 
way to reframe MBJ just because 

1036
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,120
I think a lot of people have 
associated him with being great 

1037
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,720
because of Ryan Coogler. 
But it'll be interesting now to 

1038
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,720
see as he is a successful 
director in his own right with a

1039
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,600
very profitable Creed franchise.
Even though I don't know where 

1040
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,920
it's going to go now with 
Jonathan Majors, but he's going 

1041
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,480
to be directing Thomas Crown 
Fair and starring in it, which 

1042
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,920
is a very fun Pierce Brosnan. 
Which is like a thriller, a spy 

1043
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,280
movie. 
Yeah, and it's, I don't think 

1044
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,920
I've ever seen. 
It's like a sexy spy movie. 

1045
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,720
And you know who the lead is? 
The Co lead is with him Audrey 

1046
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,680
Arona. 
Yeah, that's amazing. 

1047
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:13,960
And that's going to work. 
Yeah. 

1048
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,040
So I'm in. 
And he's going to be starring in

1049
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,200
a Miami Vice remake with Austin 
Butler. 

1050
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,920
OK. 
Don't like the costar there, but

1051
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,160
that's fine. 
I'll get past. 

1052
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,480
It I think that'll work though. 
I think maybe you're right. 

1053
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,320
So I think that yeah, that's 
fine, whatever, OK. 

1054
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,080
But I think. 
I guess what I'm saying is he 

1055
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,040
has to be successful outside of 
just Ryan Coogler. 

1056
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,280
I think for him to reach the 
highs of those movie. 

1057
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,160
Stars. 
I think you're talking about 

1058
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,560
this. 
When we rewatched A Few Good 

1059
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,960
Men, we were like Tom Cruise. 
What he's doing here is kind of 

1060
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,200
like, no one is like touching 
this. 

1061
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,840
Like it's. 
Insane like what he is doing 

1062
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:55,280
with like the the charismatic, 
like he is just living in his 

1063
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,080
own movie kind of thing. 
He's like an Energizer Bunny. 

1064
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,680
Yeah, just like, you know, 
eating the apple in the office, 

1065
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,400
like talking to Demi Moore, even
even when he's like saying 

1066
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,240
things that I'm like, I'm like 
not even paying attention to the

1067
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:09,440
writing. 
I'm just paying attention to 

1068
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,680
like what what he's got going 
on. 

1069
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,400
Jumping out of my screen. 
Exactly. 

1070
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,000
And I think that I think that 
people could argue that, like 

1071
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,120
Timmy does this thing in a 
certain sense because he 

1072
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,240
obviously has this kind of like 
annoying, like manchild ability 

1073
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:29,240
to play a character who has like
insecurities and do this thing 

1074
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:31,440
with like masculinity like he 
does in Marty Supreme. 

1075
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,000
But I think that like what Tom 
Cruise was doing that I think 

1076
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,000
not a lot of people have touched
is actually like what Michael B 

1077
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,000
Jordan is is going to be able to
do in a lot of like action 

1078
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:47,120
movies Because that's like what 
Tom Cruise kind of ends up doing

1079
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,320
or it feels like sometimes he's 
an act in an action movie, in a 

1080
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:57,080
drama in the best way possible. 
And I think that we we might see

1081
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,120
like Michael B Jordan, 
especially in a spy movie. 

1082
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,600
I have no idea what the plot is 
of Thomas Chronifer. 

1083
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,440
Fair. 
I know that's a hugely popular 

1084
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,040
like. 
I'm pretty sure they're robbing 

1085
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,520
a cruise. 
Film But I just or is it a film?

1086
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,600
Was it a oh OK no no I know this
is a film but was it previously 

1087
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,960
like a series or something? 
It was a movie and I think it 

1088
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,680
was based on something else. 
I forget what it was. 

1089
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,800
OK, gotcha. 
But regardless, like I think 

1090
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,960
that I'll be really excited to 
see him like carry a franchise 

1091
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,720
and hopefully get a lot more 
dramatic opportunities and also 

1092
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:32,240
like action movies that he'll be
able to have a dramatic role in 

1093
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:36,440
and like kind of make the movie 
more successful because of that.

1094
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,840
I think going into becoming an 
action star is the wrong turn 

1095
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,000
for him. 
I think he's one of the most 

1096
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,000
emotionally expressive actors we
have. 

1097
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,280
And so to me, he's Jake 
Gyllenhaal. 

1098
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,720
Like that's where Michael B 
Jordan is like that's his 

1099
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:50,000
talent. 
And I think that what I mean by 

1100
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,160
that is he's a very emotionally 
expressive actor. 

1101
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,680
And when he can hit that range 
of emotional expression, he's 

1102
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,560
good. 
When he stays there, he's good. 

1103
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,680
And like heightened emotions to 
11. 

1104
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,000
I actually don't think him as an
action star will ever feel 

1105
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,680
legitimate. 
Sort of like how I watch Jake 

1106
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,720
Gyllenhaal in action movies. 
I'm like, this feels wrong. 

1107
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,080
Like, I'm watching somebody 
who's too good to be in action 

1108
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,160
films, if that makes sense. 
Tom Cruise feels like the and 

1109
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,280
Will Smith probably feel like 
the only actors who've been able

1110
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,400
to do that. 
But even Will, I guess Will is a

1111
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,280
good example. 
When I watch Will Smith in 

1112
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,560
action films, you know, you see 
him in Pursuit of Happiness, and

1113
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,200
then you see him in, you know, 
action movies later on. 

1114
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,120
You're like this. 
It doesn't feel totally right. 

1115
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,320
Yeah, no, I I agree. 
Does that make sense? 

1116
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,600
What I what I mean by action 
films are not like throw away 

1117
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:38,600
action movies like I don't. 
Yeah, like I don't. 

1118
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,080
Mean that a few of those. 
Yeah, I mean more so like I like

1119
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,760
the spy genre like that is a 
sort of like Mission Impossible,

1120
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,360
like espionage adjacent action 
movie. 

1121
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,600
Our new Ethan Hunt. 
Yeah, like that's, that's more 

1122
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,640
So what I was trying to like get
into with the Tom Cruise, you 

1123
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,960
know, comparison. 
But I know I I agree. 

1124
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,480
I don't really want to see, I 
don't really want to see anyone 

1125
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,200
in an action movie because I 
don't watch action movies. 

1126
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,360
So but I but I do think like 
there are. 

1127
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,120
It's funny, I thought you were 
like Michael B Jordan is Jason 

1128
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,520
Statham. 
Absolutely not. 

1129
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,000
No, I but to me, my, I guess I 
should have prefaced my action 

1130
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,960
movies are like the firm, like 
intellectual action movies where

1131
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,200
there feels like there's some 
like action going on because 

1132
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,680
there's like murder, like 
whatever you like. 

1133
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,600
A little corruption. 
I like a little, you like a 

1134
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:26,400
little. 
Espionage. 

1135
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,560
But anyway, so I think like, I 
think he can really like thrive 

1136
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,120
in these environments where he 
can kind of like give like the 

1137
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:39,120
camera a wink, you know, but 
also like be dramatically like 

1138
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,720
grounding the movie. 
Yeah, not many actors can do it.

1139
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,360
Yeah. 
And I will say, like, at one 

1140
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,560
point in Michael B Jordan's 
career, I was like, oh, no, is 

1141
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:46,640
he, like, going to be Ben 
Affleck? 

1142
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,520
Like, I did get worried for a 
second. 

1143
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,760
Or, like, at best, Chris Evans, 
I'm like. 

1144
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,800
And he just wasn't given the 
right roles. 

1145
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,760
And it took Ryan Coogler, who is
one of the greatest storytellers

1146
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,800
we have right now, especially in
his like cohort of Greta Gerwig 

1147
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,720
and Damien Chazelle and Ari 
Astor. 

1148
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:02,880
Like he is up there, if not 
number one. 

1149
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,000
And hopefully MBJ keeps starring
in all those movies. 

1150
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,680
But I do hope he also crafts his
own lane elsewhere. 

1151
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,360
I'd be curious to see where he 
goes next. 

1152
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,480
Best actress? 
Jessie Buckley, Everybody saw 

1153
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,960
this coming. 
Yeah, I was this morning. 

1154
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,280
I was like, who? 
Who's a lock, right? 

1155
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,840
Like Jesse Buckley, I'm sure. 
Woke up this morning. 

1156
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,080
Happy Mother's Day, by the way, 
to the UK listeners. 

1157
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,000
Yeah, it was really cool that 
that just, like, happened. 

1158
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,600
What a coincidence. 
And she gave a great speech 

1159
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,680
about, like, the courageous, 
wild heart of a mother or 

1160
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,000
something. 
I forgot the exact line. 

1161
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,240
It was a beautiful line. 
And yeah, like, I think this was

1162
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,360
a obviously a lock and it was 
cool that she probably woke up, 

1163
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,160
woke up this morning was like, 
I'm going to get an Oscar. 

1164
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,840
That's wild. 
So I think her surprise, not 

1165
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,800
that she can't be surprised. 
She can do whatever she wants. 

1166
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,240
But I was like, girl, you knew 
you were getting this. 

1167
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,400
Let's like, you know, but but 
anyway, it was it was nice. 

1168
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,960
She thinks CLO Zhao and the 
second writer on the movie. 

1169
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,560
Maggie O'farrell. 
Thank you and no Paul shout out 

1170
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,720
this time because she was like, 
I have other people to thank. 

1171
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,400
I've already, you know, already 
given Paul all his flowers, 

1172
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,760
right. 
And yeah, I mean, Hamnet's a a 

1173
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,280
beautiful movie. 
And I'm I'm glad that Jesse, 

1174
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,200
even though they didn't really 
use the in the Oscar clip reel, 

1175
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,200
they didn't use like some of her
strongest. 

1176
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,040
I didn't notice that. 
Maybe because it's 2. 

1177
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:32,560
Yeah. 
Upsetting, maybe. 

1178
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,960
Yeah, I should say Hamnet was my
favorite movie of the year. 

1179
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,720
And I know people think it's 
Oscar bait. 

1180
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,400
I know a lot of people didn't 
connect to it. 

1181
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,560
I had an out of body experience 
watching that movie in the 

1182
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,120
theater and I've not watched it 
since. 

1183
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,720
It's my new Manchester by the 
Sea and I probably won't watch 

1184
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,160
it. 
But Manchester by the Sea wasn't

1185
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,760
your favorite movie of the year.
You know that. 

1186
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,720
Year this was far more hopeful, 
yeah than Manchester was. 

1187
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,240
This was inspirational to me in 
a lot of ways. 

1188
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,200
And I am not sentimental like 
Chloe Zhao is, even though I 

1189
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,960
respect Chloe Zhao and I didn't,
did not fuck with Nomad Land. 

1190
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,280
And I don't know if I even 
messed with like Chloe Zhao as a

1191
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,160
her sensibilities as a film 
maker, but what she got going 

1192
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,440
on, what she had going on in 
Hamnit, I was on the same page. 

1193
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,320
But I think we we were talking 
about how we could like, listen 

1194
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,480
to her speak about her process 
for a long time. 

1195
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,560
Super cool. 
Yeah. 

1196
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,760
That that was really interesting
on the like Hollywood Roundtable

1197
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,280
and James Cameron, you know, 
James Cameron despite him. 

1198
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,600
Being I think I found my 6th 
wife. 

1199
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:31,240
Exactly, despite James Cameron 
being one of those so annoying 

1200
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,200
people and by by the way, James 
Cameron like speaks out for 

1201
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,720
shit. 
So like, let let me just like 

1202
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,840
say I respect that. 
That's true. 

1203
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,680
He did, but he despite him, 
despite him being a man. 

1204
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,960
Or if he's in space right now. 
I want to. 

1205
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,280
Yeah. 
Well, that's what I wanted to 

1206
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,040
say. 
There was this commercial of 

1207
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,000
like, all of these, like, 
athletes and like, I forget what

1208
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,400
it was exactly for because there
was at one point a whole like 

1209
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,880
Zendaya commercial. 
And it was like, Oh my God, 

1210
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:55,840
we're going through our whole 
careers. 

1211
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,320
It's like a documentary about 
her and. 

1212
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,320
There was like. 
Rolex commercial. 

1213
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,080
But anyway, so we have like this
commercial with all of these 

1214
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,880
athletes and doing like their 
thing. 

1215
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,080
And then all of a sudden, all of
a sudden, Jim Cameron in his 

1216
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,840
little spaceship, in his little,
in his little submarine. 

1217
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,920
At the bottom, hanging out with 
Nemo. 

1218
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,400
Coming out like he comes back up
to surface like high 5 someone 

1219
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,480
so good. 
We did a Titanic episode in 

1220
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,320
December, so we've been in Big 
Jim's minds. 

1221
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:28,040
If you're curious, go watch 
hours and hours of James Cameron

1222
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,560
testing all of the real life 
experiments of what would have 

1223
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,440
happened. 
Not of the actual Titanic crash 

1224
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,560
itself or sinking itself, but of
his movies rendering of the 

1225
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,560
Titanic crash to see if it was 
accurate. 

1226
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,480
It's not worth it. 
It's not worth. 

1227
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,000
It can I we're almost done. 
We have Best Picture left and we

1228
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,600
have some few takeaways that we 
have mentioned. 

1229
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,920
And some we have to talk about 
people who like came out to give

1230
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,480
awards. 
Yeah, there's some some 

1231
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,240
takeaways. 
OK, Best supporting actor Kieran

1232
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:58,960
Culkin comes out as all the 
winners do. 

1233
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,280
He's the one last year for Jesse
Eisenberg's film and that was 

1234
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,760
deserving As for as even though 
people think he just played 

1235
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:05,920
himself. 
Well, guess what? 

1236
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,280
So like half your favorite 
actors play themselves and 

1237
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,080
there's a reason why they're 
interesting is themselves 

1238
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,040
because like, that's why they 
become who they are and the 

1239
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,360
Culkin families. 
And that's true. 

1240
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,800
For Roman Roy, Absolutely. 
Did he deserve it? 

1241
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,720
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think even Stalin 

1242
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,360
Skarsgard sort of got nominated 
for sentimental value because of

1243
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:28,160
and, or to be honest. 
But he said on the red carpet 

1244
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,840
before even coming on. 
You know, he was, I thought he 

1245
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,040
was going to be pretty silly. 
I think he just finished filming

1246
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,120
Hunger Games as the new 
gamekeeper. 

1247
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,200
Yeah, gamekeeper. 
Thank. 

1248
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,000
You wait. 
Oh, no, no. 

1249
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,480
Oh, wait. 
Oh, he's Tucci. 

1250
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:39,960
OK, He's not, he's not the 
gamekeeper then. 

1251
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,240
He's like the the host. 
Correct. 

1252
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,840
He's the host of the show. 
I see. 

1253
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,000
Yes, I think. 
And he looked pretty exhausted. 

1254
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,160
I know, he said last year his 
wife just had kids and so I 

1255
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,360
think he looked. 
Like he was on the whole Razor 

1256
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,920
Crest run. 
Yeah, last year when when he was

1257
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,480
just like staying off the cup 
shit. 

1258
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,960
And yeah, he looked a little 
tired. 

1259
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:03,880
He was more and so on the red 
carpet before the interviewer 

1260
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,000
was expecting a little bit of 
crazy energy from him. 

1261
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,960
He's like, no, I'm actually 
really excited to hand out this 

1262
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,160
award to whoever wins best 
supporting Actor because I went 

1263
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,640
up to get it from RDJ last year,
who won it for Oppenheimer the 

1264
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,320
year prior, I think and. 
Who won for Iron Man? 

1265
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,720
And then I'm just kidding. 
Keep going. 

1266
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,640
Iron Man. 
Like like Robert Downey Junior 

1267
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,160
won for Oppenheimer, 
Oppenheimer, but really he won 

1268
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,640
for Iron Man. 
Oh I see, I understand it was a 

1269
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:29,920
career award. 
Yeah. 

1270
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,880
It's getting late. 
And he was like, RDJ handed me 

1271
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,360
the award and he was like, this 
isn't going to be your best 

1272
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:38,880
moment. 
Your best moment's going to be 

1273
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,880
giving this to the next 
deserving actor. 

1274
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:42,880
And it's really that that is 
going to be a special 

1275
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,720
connection. 
So congratulations on that. 

1276
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,360
And Kieran Culkin was like, I 
got emotional hearing him say 

1277
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,040
something nice. 
And I'm paraphrasing a little 

1278
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:53,080
bit, but so he came on stage to 
give the award and it was so 

1279
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,960
funny because he couldn't give 
the award to anybody. 

1280
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,760
So Karen Gold can be a little 
sassy like Sean Penn. 

1281
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,520
Not here. 
Didn't want to come I. 

1282
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,520
Couldn't have this moment. 
I just want to say like when 

1283
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,280
people are like, I don't know, I
don't really see like structural

1284
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,000
racism in the Oscars. 
Go fucking watch Delroy Lindo 

1285
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,280
scenes and Sinners. 
Not the comedic scenes. 

1286
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,680
Those are sometimes funny, 
sometimes not. 

1287
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,320
But I mean the emotional scenes,
like when he's driving with 

1288
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:24,280
Sammy and I think it's Stack in 
the car, Go watch that. 

1289
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,240
Those scenes where he breaks out
into the Blues after something 

1290
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,680
traumatic happens to him, where 
he has like a PTSD moment and 

1291
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,800
he's explaining history of what 
it's been like to live in the 

1292
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,280
South and explain the Jim Crow 
era really to Sammy and what he 

1293
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,000
might have to go through as a 
young black man in America. 

1294
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,880
And go watch that scene and then
go watch Sean Penn get a boner 

1295
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,680
in one battle after that. 
You know what I mean? 

1296
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,640
Like, it's fucking unreal. 
It's unreal that Sean Penn won 

1297
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,440
for this. 
And I think Sean Penn is a fine 

1298
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,720
actor and has a cool career, I 
guess, and a lot of out of 

1299
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,040
offset shit. 
That's insane to me that he saw 

1300
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,560
as a career, but whatever. 
It's wild to me he won for this 

1301
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,960
performance, especially with the
performance symbolizes, 

1302
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,760
especially in comparison to what
Delroy Lindo's character 

1303
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,080
symbolizes. 
Like I just don't understand. 

1304
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,520
So even when MBJ wins and like 
the same people who voted for 

1305
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,640
Sean Penn to win over Delroy 
Lindo voted for MBJ to win, the 

1306
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,680
just the virtue signal, the 
virtue signaling Academy is just

1307
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,000
like head scratching, like 
confusing. 

1308
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,000
Anyway, I just want to get that 
out there. 

1309
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,840
Insane to me because Delroy 
Lindo would have given the best 

1310
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,960
speech of the night like he has 
lived in this industry, has been

1311
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,200
keeping it alive in certain 
spaces for a long, long time and

1312
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,400
as guys do. 
Yeah, and I think we it was 

1313
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,200
interesting because a lot of 
people were like surprised that 

1314
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,800
he was nominated. 
But after we saw Sinners, even 

1315
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,040
though we weren't like, oh, 
Sinners is like my favorite 

1316
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,200
movie of the year, whatever. 
Like we still really think it's 

1317
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,160
a great movie and I'm glad we 
got to read deep dive it on our 

1318
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,720
our Patreon deep dive. 
But like, one thing especially 

1319
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,760
that when we walked out of it, 
we're like great ensemble, but 

1320
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:00,160
like Del Ray Lindo was so good 
in it, not only comedically but 

1321
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:04,680
like emotionally. 
And so, yeah, like I think that 

1322
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,640
the voting, it's interesting to,
you know, when I sometimes I'll 

1323
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,120
listen to people like talk about
the Oscars because I'm, I'm not 

1324
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,080
as like familiar with the 
history of who's awarded. 

1325
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,120
But I will hear people say like,
yeah, like the Oscars tends to 

1326
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,880
like nominate villains, right? 
Or not nominate reward and like 

1327
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,240
give the the award to a lot of 
villains and like supporting 

1328
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:26,960
roles. 
And they often frame it like 

1329
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,600
these are like big roles. 
But I wonder if like you're 

1330
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,000
saying it's this like kind of 
performative of like this is 

1331
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,280
what we stand against. 
But like, yeah, like it's like 

1332
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,400
the just paradoxical in terms of
like the the award itself. 

1333
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,720
And yeah, so anyway, that's an 
interesting point. 

1334
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,080
Best Picture 1 Battle after 
another. 

1335
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,920
Tiana Taylor puts Paul Thomas 
Anderson in a headlock. 

1336
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,400
That was sad shout out her the 
whole night. 

1337
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:52,760
She looked great, by the way. 
She. 

1338
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,360
Did look great. 
She's working out and for anyone

1339
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,800
who is just finding her show or 
like maybe you're just a newer 

1340
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:03,480
listener, go watch 1001. 
We talked to or Trey talked to 

1341
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,200
AB Rockwell, the director of 
that movie 1. 

1342
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,360
Of the best films two years ago.
Yes, Deanna Taylor starred in it

1343
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,680
and you're really able to see it
because she's like in it for so 

1344
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:14,720
long. 
She's not just in this like 

1345
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,840
first part of you know, the the 
movie. 

1346
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:22,360
Like she is such a good actor 
and loved seeing her love, loved

1347
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,960
her energy. 
Her performance is so good and 1

1348
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,880
battle after another that you 
like, she convinces you that her

1349
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,400
character wants to have sex with
Leo's character, which I thought

1350
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,240
it was I could not be convinced 
of. 

1351
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,400
I'm still sort of skeptical of, 
but she's really good in in 

1352
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,520
convincing you of that fun 
exercise. 

1353
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,720
The 1975 nominees that PTA was 
referencing to talk about how 

1354
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,760
the gamification of of art is 
really stupid and how all these 

1355
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,120
movies that have been nominated 
for best picture, like equally 

1356
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,480
important to this craft and also
to culture at large. 

1357
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:57,000
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest,
which one best picture, Barry 

1358
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,600
Lyndon, Dog Day Afternoon, Jaws 
and Nashville. 

1359
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,360
And you could say the movie that
one was the worst of those five.

1360
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:03,680
I think you can make that 
argument. 

1361
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,800
I think my favorite of those 5 
is probably probably dog day 

1362
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,360
afternoon. 
Oh, I thought you were going to 

1363
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:09,240
say Jaws. 
Then Jaws. 

1364
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,080
I was going to say dog day 
afternoon and I thought there 

1365
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,320
was a hot take. 
Yeah, Wow. 

1366
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,960
So you're going to say. 
I thought, I thought you were 

1367
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,760
going to say Jaws and I was 
going to be like, I have a hot 

1368
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,840
take. 
It's dog day. 

1369
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,600
I think it's dog day. 
We're sitting on that people 

1370
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:21,200
though. 
Yeah. 

1371
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,120
So I'm asking. 
I'm going to ask this question I

1372
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,000
want you to think about. 
It I mean, it's not like clearly

1373
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,760
dog day. 
I could see anyone talking about

1374
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:28,920
Jaws. 
And by the way, if you like 

1375
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,800
Jaws, go watch Secret Agent with
a lot of Jaws shout outs in it. 

1376
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,760
So those are the five movies 
that he mentioned. 

1377
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,880
If you had to take 5 movies from
the 10 that were nominated and 

1378
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,480
say 2026, what are the five that
come closest? 

1379
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,280
And I'm going to name them out. 
Movies in 2020. 

1380
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,040
Six OK, the 10 movies that were 
nominated for best picture, what

1381
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:53,000
are the five best ones that are 
going to be as culturally 

1382
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,160
significant? 
I was going to read you the my 5

1383
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,320
at least. 
So sinners, obviously 1 battle 

1384
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:02,800
after another. 
This is where it gets hard. 

1385
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,560
I'm going to say Hamnet. 
I'm going to say the secret 

1386
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,120
agent. 
And then I think the debate is 

1387
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,400
now between Begonia, Marty, 
Supreme and sentimental value. 

1388
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,480
I think it's Begonia. 
Interesting, a lot of people did

1389
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,520
not like Begonia. 
I really. 

1390
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,240
Liked Begonia. 
I also really like Jesse Blemons

1391
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,240
and I also was expecting to. 
I think it also had a lot to do 

1392
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,600
with me going into it being like
I don't know if I want to see 

1393
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,520
another like Emma Stone in a 
Yorgos movie. 

1394
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,920
Just it it felt like I had we 
had just seen so much of of them

1395
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,280
together, even though they have 
great collaborations like love 

1396
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,160
turn poor things and love turn 
the favorite. 

1397
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,360
I just, I don't know, I was I 
had a low expectations going in 

1398
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,920
if not being kind of like. 
Well, to me, I guess my point is

1399
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,200
I'm trying to make is there's 
like 5 or 6, maybe 7 movies here

1400
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,160
like Begonia, Marty Supreme, 
Hamnett, Sinners, Sentimental 

1401
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,200
Value of 1, Battle After Another
and The Secret Agent. 

1402
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,840
That's 7 movies that I have at 4
1/2 stars or five stars that 

1403
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,760
could easily all be like 
classics in the next 2530 years.

1404
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,920
And I just think it's, or I 
guess 50 years if you taken to 

1405
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,360
the fact that he used 1975 as 
the year to talk about that 

1406
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,920
example. 
Yeah, I just thought it was fun 

1407
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,040
to zoom out a little. 
Bit yeah, I think Marty Supreme 

1408
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,240
would probably make it in there.
I I was tempted to put 

1409
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,520
sentimental value, but I, I 
think that I'm like essentially 

1410
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:25,120
thinking about I love, I love 
all of yoking Trier's other 

1411
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,120
movies and sentimental values. 
One of my least favorites of his

1412
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,359
because there were like certain 
things that fell off. 

1413
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:34,439
You know, we talked about how 
Scarsyard like, got too much 

1414
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,040
screen time in the movie, where 
I was like, wanting to go back 

1415
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,160
to the sisters always. 
Might be the best filmmaking of 

1416
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,120
any of his movies. 
That's that is true. 

1417
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,240
But the screenplay, I think it's
up to your subjective taste. 

1418
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,720
And I think, you know, there are
so many people who ask us around

1419
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,960
this time, especially because 
they kind of like want to be in 

1420
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,279
the conversation of like, what 
Oscar movie should I see? 

1421
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,760
And I'm always telling them 
like, go back and watch this 

1422
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,120
movie from this film maker. 
Don't watch this movie. 

1423
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,040
Like I know you want to be in 
the cock but go watch worst 

1424
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,120
person in the world like. 
And then watch sentimental 

1425
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,800
value. 
Yeah, or even like 1 battle 

1426
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,439
after another. 
Like yes, watch 1 battle after 

1427
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,279
another, but go like watch there
will be blood or like phantom 

1428
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:12,080
threat. 
Phantom threat. 

1429
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,439
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Anyway, what were you at? 

1430
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,040
What? 
What? 

1431
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:17,279
What? 
I was trying to. 

1432
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:20,439
I think it's time for bed. 
We did it. 

1433
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:21,840
This is a hard job, What we're 
doing, we. 

1434
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,520
Didn't talk about bridesmaids we
didn't talk about. 

1435
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,399
OK, people, I've. 
Been wanting to talk about this 

1436
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:28,279
whole time. 
The OK, the the weird moments 

1437
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:31,240
that I have here are 
Bridesmaids, Avengers promo, 

1438
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,479
Channing Tatum, Adrian Brody, 
and that's it. 

1439
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,479
I think we already talked about 
Javier Bardem, right? 

1440
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:37,640
With 3 lbs. 
I did OK. 

1441
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,200
Those are the other notes I had.
Yeah. 

1442
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:41,600
And then the music performance, 
which is great for Miles Katen, 

1443
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,479
recreating the whole the whole 
cast or half the cast, 

1444
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,040
recreating that surreal music 
set piece and actually putting 

1445
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:51,200
real life black artists into the
position of the artists that are

1446
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,720
in the past, present and future 
of that scene. 

1447
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,640
That was sick. 
I didn't think they could do it 

1448
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,360
at first when the camera was 
rolling through the crowd and 

1449
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,760
then it and then it was looked 
like it was bumping into people 

1450
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,200
as they were dancing. 
I was like, Oh no, it's not 

1451
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:02,920
going. 
To do this, yeah, yeah. 

1452
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,400
It's not going to work, but it 
really worked. 

1453
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,800
Yeah, OK. 
So anyways. 

1454
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,280
The weird fun moments. 
Yeah, so the Bridesmaids, you 

1455
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,600
know, everyone loves to see the 
Bridesmaids cast. 

1456
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,120
We love Rose Byrne, Melissa 
McCarthy, Kristen Wig, Maya 

1457
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,800
Rudolph and I'm not sure what 
the actors name is who plays 

1458
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,160
Kimmy Schmidt? 
Who plays? 

1459
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,280
I always call. 
Her Aaron from the office. 

1460
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:26,520
But I love her. 
And they had a lot of like, you 

1461
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,880
know, they were like. 
Ellie Kemper. 

1462
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,320
OK. 
Ellie Kemper. 

1463
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,720
They were giving the kind of 
like normal speech to the crowd 

1464
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,920
and then all of a sudden get 
delivered these like notes that 

1465
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,440
are like fake notes from the 
crowd. 

1466
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,480
And it was about like how they 
essentially like their their 

1467
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:43,920
work looked OK, you know. 
Oh, I guess that one was like 

1468
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,760
fake Elle Fanning. 
It's actually from like. 

1469
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:46,640
Stalin's car. 
Stalin. 

1470
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,240
'S car's guard and he he was a 
great sport with it and then 

1471
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,440
they were like, oh, this one's 
from Benicio del Toro like let's

1472
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,160
like get it moving. 
You guys are like taking up too 

1473
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,360
much time and they cut to him 
also a great like, you know, 

1474
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,360
playing along. 
He's like editing fucking Go, 

1475
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:02,760
guys. 
Leos is my favorite though, 

1476
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:03,760
yeah. 
That. 

1477
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,680
Was what Rose Byrne said to Leo.
So I thought you were someone 

1478
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,200
else. 
Yeah, she was like, Leo, I was 

1479
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,080
staring at you all night. 
I thought you were someone else.

1480
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:13,840
Yeah. 
Pulling in a lot of the great 

1481
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,400
Bridesmaids comedy anyway. 
Roseburn, one of the most 

1482
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,400
underrated comedic actors across
genders of all time. 

1483
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,480
Yeah, of all time. 
We just recently rewatched 

1484
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:25,200
Neighbors, yes with Bridesmaids 
and we were like holy shit. 

1485
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,600
Rose Byrne under discussed. 
She's incredible. 

1486
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,240
And if I had legs, I'd kick you.
So it's Conan. 

1487
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,600
But God, that was also a funny 
joke of Conan, one of the one of

1488
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,680
the good jokes. 
Conan was like, it's really hard

1489
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,760
to star with someone who you're 
so, so attracted to who you have

1490
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,880
a question. 
So like, good for you, Rose 

1491
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,240
Byrne, for being able to do 
that. 

1492
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,800
And yeah, anyway, that the I 
thought you were someone else to

1493
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,560
Leo was hilarious. 
But just love seeing them 

1494
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,400
together and can't wait to talk 
about bridesmaids. 

1495
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,960
The other thing that really 
didn't work but is worth talking

1496
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,480
about is this Avengers promo, 
which is like, it's just like 

1497
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,000
over. 
It's over. 

1498
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,000
It's over. 
It's over. 

1499
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,280
It's over. 
It felt sad. 

1500
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,240
Stop. 
Trying to make. 

1501
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,600
That Stop trying to make 
Avengers happen. 

1502
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,920
That's what it feels like. 
Yeah, remember 15 years ago when

1503
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,200
the first Avengers came out? 
I was like. 

1504
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,640
He danced with Peggy. 
I was like Robert Downey Junior.

1505
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:18,320
And it's. 
Over. 

1506
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,320
You guys are so rich. 
Yeah, you are so, so rich. 

1507
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:27,360
This feels like gross. 
Yeah, and it sucks because like 

1508
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,680
both of those actors, I like 
both of those actors, and 

1509
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,920
they're both very funny. 
Chris Evans in an underrated 

1510
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,680
way, but they didn't even get to
be funny. 

1511
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,160
Channing Tatum, though. 
He almost didn't get to be funny

1512
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:44,200
because he had a Will Arnett bit
that was really strange. 

1513
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:45,040
And it wasn't his. 
Fault. 

1514
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,000
Yeah, it wasn't anyone's fault. 
No one laughed at because also 

1515
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:53,200
like, it was just weird to 
basically like, say that Will 

1516
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:54,760
Arnett. 
I don't know Will Arnett. 

1517
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,240
I think it's. 
Like Will Arnett's not good at 

1518
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:57,720
stand up. 
They should make a movie about 

1519
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,800
that. 
But then later on, Channing 

1520
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,840
Tatum came back and, like, 
really delivered what he's good 

1521
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,200
at. 
And Robert Downey Junior was 

1522
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,160
like, I got you, you know, these
Magic Mike shorts. 

1523
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:13,120
And cut to Channing Tatum in the
crowd. 

1524
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,800
I'm going to need those back. 
Though love felt like it was 21 

1525
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:19,320
Jump St. 
Yeah, it felt like we were just 

1526
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:23,080
like, transported back in time. 
That was awesome and it was 

1527
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:23,880
beautiful. 
To see. 

1528
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,240
Channing Tatum do that. 
And then Adrian Brody and Adrian

1529
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,240
Brody and the night. 
You know good. 

1530
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,760
Good for him. 
We we were hard on. 

1531
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,480
Him, we were hard on him. 
It was. 

1532
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,720
It was particularly a little bit
annoying. 

1533
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,840
He threw gum and his girlfriend 
did a lot of mansplaining and 

1534
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,720
told everybody to cut the. 
I mean the music. 

1535
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,120
I'm staying on this stage. 
I'm. 

1536
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,040
Waiting to like want to give 
your speech, but no. 

1537
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:55,800
But anyway, OK, but but then the
gum like I'll just swallow the 

1538
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,160
gum brought a lot of nose. 
Yeah, ha ha. 

1539
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,880
So you have a lot to say. 
You're the best nominee. 

1540
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,760
It was funny. 
It's it's good to he he was a 

1541
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,240
good sport about everything that
had happened. 

1542
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,680
Yeah, it was interesting that 
the the commentary on the the 

1543
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,960
previous Oscars. 
I would say All in all, a lot of

1544
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:23,000
like bomb like just like the the
two like father son duo coming. 

1545
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:23,800
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1546
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:25,600
What? 
What were we thinking? 

1547
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,880
Strange, strange, bad chemistry 
going on across the board. 

1548
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,240
They're just strange, yeah. 
Ultimately, that was the 98th 

1549
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,400
Academy Awards. 
I think those were our reaction 

1550
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,620
thoughts. 
But I think the biggest take 

1551
01:14:37,620 --> 01:14:42,920
away of the night is that PTA 
got what he deserved, which is 

1552
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,960
finally being cemented in like 
Hollywood history through the 

1553
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,560
Academy, if you care about that,
which I know he does, even 

1554
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:50,720
though he's critical of the 
Academy. 

1555
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,080
And then also the biggest take 
away was that Ryan Coogler, who 

1556
01:14:55,080 --> 01:15:00,040
also was deserving of Oscars and
got one which was historic and 

1557
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,400
was deserving. 
He didn't just win the, you 

1558
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,080
know, he didn't get to win the 
Oscars, all the Oscars like PTA 

1559
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,280
did. 
But Ryan Coogler, I think won 

1560
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,320
the culture and like, that was 
pretty significant and I think 

1561
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,400
pretty obvious too. 
I think even to like directors 

1562
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,360
in the room. 
I could see Kojou, like noticing

1563
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,200
what was going on. 
I could see Yokum Trio. 

1564
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,080
I could see PTA. 
And they're like, well, Ryan is 

1565
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,240
like, yeah, he is a he is bigger
than celebrity now. 

1566
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,320
Like this is something else 
going on here, like Phil, like 

1567
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:28,400
Steelberg. 
Yeah. 

1568
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,880
And I loved when he went over 
and like hugged Chloe. 

1569
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,360
I loved her Jesse one like it's 
just cool to see. 

1570
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,600
I think the the take away was 
like the energy in the room was 

1571
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,680
really like directors supporting
each other's art. 

1572
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,840
Yes, and that was really cool. 
Yes, just like a last few 

1573
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,800
takeaways, it was funny to see a
knock at the Netflix ification 

1574
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,800
at like describing the plot over
and over again. 

1575
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,640
Oh, that was so. 
Fun And Sterling K Brown was 

1576
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,240
like, oh, World War 2 like. 
Oh my God, was that? 

1577
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,680
The Hitler one like the like and
then just kept saying like in 

1578
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,480
world. 
The Oscars Where do they win 

1579
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:00,560
Oscars? 
Yeah. 

1580
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:05,280
And yeah, that was really funny.
There was a moment. 

1581
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,640
People don't get that joke. 
Watch The RIP on Netflix. 

1582
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,680
Sure. 
Yeah, just the continuous plot 

1583
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,800
explanation. 
And then there was also a 

1584
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,840
avatar, avatar win from digital 
effects or whatever, visual 

1585
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,160
effects, whatever. 
And I was like, look at these 

1586
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,440
like guys just going up for 
playing on their computers. 

1587
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:25,160
So, so happy for them. 
I also have a. 

1588
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,200
Question about best costume 
Should digital like graphic 

1589
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,480
designers get in digital 
effects? 

1590
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:33,960
Cruise, I don't want to stir a 
controversy here, this isn't a 

1591
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,120
ballet opera situation. 
But like, should they get credit

1592
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:44,000
for creating digital costumes 
the same way that seamstress or 

1593
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,840
or costume designers are? 
Getting or They're so 

1594
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,880
confidently just now costumers. 
I don't even know if seamstress 

1595
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,240
is the right word. 
I'm sorry, but like, basically 

1596
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,640
costume designers, like physical
costume designers are getting. 

1597
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:55,400
No. 
Does that make sense? 

1598
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,200
Yeah, I don't think because I 
think there are real costumes 

1599
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,280
being made, but they. 
Didn't from costume design. 

1600
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,520
But they were nominated. 
I just you made me think about 

1601
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:02,480
Avatar. 
Interesting. 

1602
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,880
Yeah. 
I found that to be strange. 

1603
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:06,960
I don't like going in that 
direction. 

1604
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,920
Strange as a culture, there was 
one other thing that I wanted to

1605
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,800
bring up. 
Oh yeah, there was Speaking of 

1606
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:17,360
of the whole ballet opera thing,
there was a one of the, I think 

1607
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,480
documentary shorts that just 
decided to like cut to Timmy, 

1608
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:21,760
like looked him dead in the 
eyes. 

1609
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:26,120
It was like decided to take that
moment to like really. 

1610
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:26,440
I was. 
I was. 

1611
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,360
What an embarrassing week to be 
online this past week to look at

1612
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,960
people's reaction to to 15 
seconds of Timothy Shallow man. 

1613
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,520
Oscar speech forever. 
Hour and a half interview that 

1614
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,440
he had with Matthew McConaughey 
in this like political CNN town 

1615
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:42,880
hall. 
This is an embarrassing week to 

1616
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,840
like be plugged into Internet 
culture and read people's takes 

1617
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,160
and also to see how many people 
joked about it tonight. 

1618
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,160
And that one person who like 
tried to say ballet and opera 

1619
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,760
during their Oscar speech. 
I was like, why there There are 

1620
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,720
so many things that you could 
bring up that are significant. 

1621
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,840
This is not one of them. 
So anyways, that was the extra 

1622
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,240
credit to the Oscars. 
Those are our reaction thoughts 

1623
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,720
are if we were a little bit all 
over the place, but it is very 

1624
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,840
late. 
And it is way past our bedtime. 

1625
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,800
Yeah, I got to wake up at 5:00 
AM, so peace. 

1626
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:13,040
Bye.