Hello, welcome to the extra credits of the Oscars.
I'm Trey and I'm Kelsey. PTA fans are having a few small
beers tonight. One battle after another.
Just won best picture. We just left our TV after
sitting for almost I think 4 hours so.
Long show. It was shorter.
Than. Than normal yeah.
I hope everybody had a beautiful time watching the Oscars.
Or if you couldn't I'm glad you listened in on our show to hear
a reaction of what happened. Takeaways from the night we had
steak nachos. We'll start there.
We did. I tried my best to watch the red
carpet though. It is a cringe inducing
experience for me when actors are talking about who they're
wearing and I feel like I'm watching the capital in The
Hunger Games. Yes, and then we saw Conan
return. We did for a really kind of
brutal opening monologue, I'll say like maybe most of it wasn't
his fault, or there's really cringy writing throughout the
whole, like, broadcast. Yeah, more than usual or in a
few years. I feel like this is actually I
remembered in the early twenty 20s pandemic era, it was pretty
tough riding and this reminded me of that were jokes just
didn't land. And I'm sort of wondering, I
kept trying to reflect on like, is it just a political moment of
our country and the world that people just don't feel like
laughing at corny jokes right now or if the jokes just got
worse this year. But I definitely thought about
it throughout. I definitely think it was a
combination of like the jokes being pretty bad and then also
like, I don't know, I, I wonder what the collaboration is like
behind the scenes. Because when you have people who
are, you know, big stars, like reading these really cringy
things, it's like you think, oh, like tough crowd.
But really, it's like, I don't know, it's tough to to laugh at
a joke that isn't like, isn't funny like the whole Chris Evans
and Robert Downey Junior. All the promo stuff was bad
except for Zendaya. Robert Pattinson.
They're innocent on stage of those, I was like, those are two
of the most beautiful people I've ever.
Seen in my life, Yeah. Yeah.
Well, that was the kind of negative way to start.
Let's start positives. OK, Takeaways.
Overall, it was a It was a great.
Show, it was actually a great show.
I found myself emotional every 30 minutes for a variety of
reasons. I couldn't find like an actual
theme to why that was. There was just a lot of
emotional things happening every 30 minutes or so.
Yeah. And it was the night of the
Academy finally recognizing probably the most important
director of the 21st century, which is Paul Thomas Anderson,
who has now finally accepted the financial reigns of what, of
what it's like to make a mainstream blockbuster of 1
battle after another. And rather than celebrate him
and congratulate him for doing both, like art house,
provocative cinema, like, under like a $20 million budget with
like, Phantom Thread or movies like that.
Before that, for whatever reason, the Academy was like,
this is the one. I love to speech.
He was like, you really make someone work hard for.
This. So I think that made both of us
really happy, as that's probably our shared favorite director.
But the strange part of tonight was that it was Ryan Coogler's
night. Yeah, and even though it was PT
as night on paper, and his movie did win Best Picture and he did
win best Director and he did win Best adapted Screenplay.
And I think a lot of that is deserved, obviously.
And we can have a deeper conversation about what we would
have liked to see maybe in a second.
Ryan Coogler basically became the new Steven Spielberg
tonight, or at least that's what I like recognized, Like when I
saw everybody get up to stand up every time he was on stage or
when I saw him on the Jumbotron at the Oscars and everybody was
like losing their minds. He basically became the strange
blend of like, George Lucas, mainstream populism mixed with
the strangeness, the obscurness. But like, interesting, like
accessibility of a Steven Spielberg.
Yeah. But still has his own unique
storytelling and has been inspired by some of his own
favorite film makers, from a John Singleton to a Spike Lee.
And so he is his own director. By no means am I saying he's,
you know, just our Steven Spielberg and Ryan Coogler
Steven Spielberg. But I mean, like, he feels as
powerful as Steven Spielberg was when he made Jurassic Park and
Schindler's List. Definitely.
And and I think when you like saw the the screen panned to
Steven Spielberg and there's like that energy of like, oh,
like Steven Spielberg in the room.
A similar thing was happening, except what you're talking
about. Like it felt like Ryan Coogler
was like this like a giant of cinema in the room with so much
energy at the kind of like not start of his career, but like
the the start of recognition of his career.
And so like, there's so much energy around the SPTA and, and,
but also like Ryan Coogler. Yeah, and I mean, he has been
nominated. I mean, Black Panther was
nominated for Best picture, obviously the only Marvel film
to ever be nominated best Picture.
But he got to win tonight. He got to win for best
screenplay and obviously deservingly so.
And he gave a great speech and we can talk about that in a
little bit. I'd like to run through like the
awards, just like chronologically of the which
ones we want to talk about. At least we can skip some we
don't. So what?
I guess starting with Supporting Actress with Amy Madigan.
Yeah, I I think that's a good idea.
But before we do that, you've been talking a lot about the
Oscars and like just kind of what people could anticipate and
not predictions because we don't really like, do that kind of
thing. I did consider that though.
Now that we're back on TikTok a month ago, I was like, should I
just be doing like Trey's top 10 for past picture?
No, but I I really don't want to do that.
But was this like what you were expecting?
Yeah, I was expecting. I mean, the history of the
Oscars is to perpetuate white dominance, right?
And even though Oscars, So what happened And the Oscars have
become more inclusive, not just to different racial groups
outside of like white status groups or white white like elite
status groups, but they've become more inclusive, like
international groups and have been more, I think, diverse and
who they're accepting the Academy to vote on movies like
Best Picture. So with wins like Parasite or
with wins like Everything Everywhere All at Once.
I think even maybe before that with Jordan Peele's Get out when
on screenplay, that was huge in 2017.
And so there was a part of me that expected, OK, maybe there's
a, there's a, there's something happening here.
There's a shift. Maybe Sinners is going to come
through and surprise us. MBJ is getting a lot of movement
since winning at SAG or the best actors.
I think that's where he won over Timmy.
And I was kind of surprised and I was like, OK, if he wins an
Oscar tonight, then maybe we'll see Sinners as best picture.
Maybe they'll win best ensemble. And that will tell us a lot of
things. And 1 Battle just started
winning some things I think around best ensembles.
When we knew when one battle won best ensemble, we were like,
well, well. It's.
Really, best casting, But I think it's a essentially, yeah,
like best ensemble. It's like what the award is
going to turn into. And even though it's really cool
to shot the casting directors, and I shouldn't say, even though
it is so cool to shout out casting directors in the way
they did and it was really special the way they did it.
Having some of the supporting actors come out and sing these
praises about these casting directors and casting directors
being predominantly woman is like a really makes it even much
more powerful field as a lot of women in this industry have been
erased by the Oscars. But I did think while listening
to this, I'm like, well, this award is basically going to go
to whoever, whatever, whatever movie is the highest budget that
can afford a big ensemble. But anyways, all that being
said, my prediction going into this was that Sinners is the
most Oscar nominated movie of all time and nobody really gave
a shit that it wasn't predicted to win Best Picture.
And when I say nobody really gave a shit, I shouldn't say it
like that. Most of like the dominant media
that is also working in in tandem with the Oscars in the
Academy who also works in tandem with studio systems did not
really seem to give a shit that like betting odds or that
critical bodies were predicting that one battle was going to win
best picture by far. And I have been talking a lot on
TikTok recently about how fucking strange that is and how
absurd that is in the history of the Oscars.
If you look at the movies that have been the most nominated of
all time, which there are three films that had 14 nominations
over the last, there's 12 films that had 13 nominations in the
last century. And of those 15 films, nine of
those movies were predicted won best picture.
Nine of them did won best picture.
Out of those 15, a a vast majority of them won best
picture is the point with that statistic.
And yet nobody really seems to care that sinners is the most
nominated movie of all time with 16 nominations by far.
That's two nominations more than La, La, La, La, La, La and like,
you know, almost 10 years ago now.
And even though that lost to Moonlight, it was the only loss
of the 14 nominated movies over the past century.
And the point I'm trying to make here is that I did go in tonight
thinking, well, if Sinners gets, you know, screwed, this could
turn into The Color Purple situation where we're looking at
like the 1985 Color Purple, Steven Spielberg's film.
But that's like a mostly all black cast, a diverse crew.
And it was nominated, I think 11 times and didn't win anything.
Sinners won four awards tonight. I think it was 4, but out of 16
nominations, which is kind of unreal, not great.
And there are other cases of this happening. 16, not 14. 16,
yeah, 14 was the record before. Oh, gotcha.
Yeah, sorry, I know I'm throwing a lot of numbers out there, but
I guess to answer your question, I predicted the Oscars was going
to Oscars. But I'm also aware that one
battle is also very significant movie.
It's not like it's not the Green Book, it's not, you know what I
mean? It's not like a politically
there are problematic things about that film that we
discussed. Yeah, we talked about those like
at length in our in our episode. Right.
But ultimately, that's a movie that is about, you know, a
father daughter story and ultimately, though, is about
politically like revolutions and how revolution start.
And it feels revolutionary in a moment like this to see like
refugee camps or like detention centers, like on.
Screen. For mainstream audiences, that's
huge. And so for a movie like this to
win best picture that will come back to theaters and probably
make millions more over the next few weeks, for more people to,
you know, discover this film, that's very special.
I think 1 Battle is going to make a lot of young Jens ears or
Jung Jin alphas at this point become cinephiles because
they're going to be like who's Paul Thomas Anderson?
Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, And I think what I found
surprising about tonight is somehow I, I found faith in
like, the audience again, especially in the black
community, in the audience who were just so ecstatic for Ryan
Coogler and just so like, deeply, genuinely, authentically
excited for his opportunity for Michael B Jordan's win.
And it did inspire me a little bit to be like the wins,
actually. Maybe it's easy to say the winds
don't matter, obviously, but maybe the winds don't matter
here, which is what matters here is just showcasing the talent of
some of the people who worked on Sinners and making sure that
everybody hears it like loud and clear that they respect PTA, but
they also equally maybe respect Ryan Coogler.
So I didn't expect that. That was really cool.
I did expect Sinners to get screwed over, but I didn't
expect this many people to rally around Ryan Coogler at the
Oscars. That felt really special because
before, like, I don't know if you remember about the Oscars
last year, they didn't really know what to hold on to.
They didn't have a lot of star power.
They didn't have a lot of like director power there.
They kept panning to Timmy. They kept painting to Timmy.
That's exactly what I was going to bring up the pop, the Bob
Dylan of the Oscars. And they just kept the camera
just going to him and his his girlfriend.
And I was like, that's strange. They didn't really do a lot of
that tonight. They didn't really pan to a lot
of actor reaction shots. A lot of people in the audience
besides just like kind of the the big wide shot of after
someone wins their award. Yeah, so sorry if I'm like
monologuing or not. Making sense.
I was interested to to hear too, because I know you've been like
talking about it and also because we don't cover the
Oscars. We have previously like we
usually do a reaction episode just because it also like
coincides with like end of year conversations and since, you
know, we like to cover movies and talk about like why they
matter. It also the Oscars, you know, is
related to what gets rewarded. But we don't traditionally, you
know, prop up the Oscars in terms of like what gives a film
value or like go hard on predictions because of what
you're talking about, of like the types of films and actors
that the the Academy like tends to to reward or mostly rewards.
Yeah, Oscar's still got a lot of work to do, I think is a big
point with Michael B Jordan being now one of six men to
everyone best actor, a black men everyone best actor.
And Halle Berry still being the only black woman to everyone
best actress. And Ryan Coogler now being one
of two black men to everyone, best writer and Autumn drawed
Arcopa being the first woman to ever win best cinematographer.
Also, you know, DPF sinners now one of three women to be
nominated for best cinematographer.
The past one, Rachel Morrison, who is now director in her own
right, was the DP for Ryan Coogler, who was nominated for
Ryan Coogler film. So just speaking to Ryan Coogler
and Sinners, the power of that movie that I think a lot of
people are missing. It's not just about like black
cinema. And I do think Hollywood,
certainly the Oscars virtue signaled hardcore with the 16
nominations because it is deserving, but they didn't
actually reward it, which means they just sort of gave it this
aesthetic of winning Oscars but didn't actually reward it when
it counted. And that pisses me off.
And I talk again, I've talked a lot about this, but I've also
talked a lot about how Sinners and Ryan Coogler went out of
their way to cast diversity across nations, across
identities in their cast and crew or higher rather in their
cast and crew and how powerful that is.
And you really felt that tonight, especially with arm
drawled Arkropos, when you felt the power of that and how he
actually tries to hire good people.
Like when she asked all the women to stand up at the
Academy, I thought that was so sick.
It was really cool. Yeah.
It was just awesome. So there were a lot of moments
like that that just made me emotional.
And I was like, there is something special here that
can't happen. The the I guess the irony of it
is the the majority of special moments came from non white
speakers. Like even who was it tonight
that set free Palestine? Was it Javier?
Yeah, it was Javier Bardem set free Palestine and No to war.
Yeah. Right or end to war?
Yeah. And I couldn't tell.
I wasn't sure if they were like blurring out what he had on his
like lapel or if the red itself was just like the camera
couldn't pick up. I couldn't tell either, it
looked like it. It was blurred or something,
yeah. Somebody let us know what that
said. I'm sure it'll pop up on Twitter
somewhere. We're we're doing, by the way,
this episode's coming like literally 5 minutes after we
just watched the Oscars. So if anything's happened in the
news, we don't know about it. OK, going to the awards, best
supporting actress, we start the night with that.
Award goes to Amy Madigan. A lot of energy to start the
night. It was really fun and honestly
this made me emotional. Yeah, because Ed Harris, her
husband. Yeah, I mean, I just got
emotional anytime I see like a partner, you know, I, I think, I
mean, this happened throughout the night, but getting emotional
for their spouse. Like you just see all the hard
work basically that like through their spouse's eyes that this
person has like put into this thing and it's a really
beautiful moment. And he's also just like a
beautiful man. But she's a.
Great actor, love her. She was just like I shaved my
legs, I'm wearing. Pants.
It doesn't matter anyway. Shout out to Zach Krieger.
Shout out Zach. Hey, Zach.
Yeah, a beautiful moment for him to.
Showing emotion. Yeah, it was, it was cool.
I mean, Zach's such a nice guy. Like it, it was really cool.
You could tell how happy he was for Amy.
And also just, you know, that a horror movie like obviously
Sinners was was nominated, but like, horror is not
traditionally recognized at the Oscars.
And so that was really cool to see Amy get awarded for that and
like weapons also get it's it's kind of shout out or flowers for
that. We didn't talk about Conan's
opening. While most of Conan's opening
didn't work besides the F1 and then they're making a sequel.
All caps joke. I thought that was.
Funny. That was really funny, Yeah.
Not many people laughed. It's a tough crowd, but besides
all his other jokes not really being that good, he there there
was a great concept of opening the award show, which was him
dressed as the Amy Madigan character being chased by kids
all the way like up into the theater.
And then Conan came out, which. Is a cool that was cool.
I was like mid cooking, kept turning around to look.
I was like, wait, what's going on?
Well, cuz he and then he ran through all the movies, which I
kept saying like, look, he's in, you know, whatever movie.
Yeah. And then we went on to craft
awards. I, I forget who we said we
wanted to have win for best supporting actress.
Maybe when we misaku? Diana Taylor would have given a
great speech. Yes, Inga for sentimental value.
I thought she was amazing, like I thought she was so good in
sentimental value. But it is really cool, as you
said, I was trying to look up to see if there are like actors
from horror films who have won, like best supporting actress,
but I couldn't find anything. So let us know listeners, if you
know off the top of your head. Then we move on to some craft
awards. Frankenstein won, I think as
many Oscars as sinners tonight. Let me double check that.
How many Oscars? Let's see, we're do some of this
this researching live on the podcast today.
That's OK, It's a live reaction. We're coming on the mics like
right after. So Frankinstein looks like they
won three Oscars. Yeah, looks like 3-3 or four.
So close to centers, which is wild to me.
So I love Guillermo del Toro, happy for him.
I I don't love that movie but it does look like the costumes look
really good and the make up and hair styling is good so it makes
sense to me. Yeah, if that makes sense.
Yes. So I do I feel a little
conflicted. About it.
But I also didn't love the movie.
It was like it was really hard to get through.
Yeah, I found it to be really underwhelming and a lot of it
was the Netflix she like whatever the kind of Netflix
aesthetic, the the streaming gloss that sometimes they like
put over the movies that feels like a like a filter that ruins
the film for me. And I, and I can't be the only
person who feels this way. I have seen some people talk
about it, but not with Frankenstein in particular, but
like a lot of the colors and the production design and the
costumes of sinners that I was wowed by the Netflix of it all
was taking me out of it. So I maybe it was a little bit
on me for not seeing in a theater, but I think it was only
in theaters for like a week. Yeah, and also Ted, what's his
last name? Yeah, it got a a shout out from
Conan. He was like, why are all these
people here, like enjoying this? They they should be at home
where I can monetize it. And he just like was like,
whatever, I'm so rich it's crazy.
Laugh the the wealthy laugh off, but the.
Last time a best supporting actress won for a horror film
was Ruth Gordon and Rosemary's Baby.
Whoa, who's excellent in that movie is the next door neighbor?
Yeah. Wow.
Holy shit, that's been a long time.
That's like 57. Years same.
Energy. That's insane.
Similar energy. Kathy Bates won for best
actress, not supporting, obviously Jodie Foster won for
best actress. That's Misery and Silence of the
Lambs. And yeah, that's basically it.
And then obviously Anthony Hopkins.
Wow. So it hasn't happened many
times. Sorry, I just wanted to look.
That up, Yeah, No, I mean, that's really interesting.
OK, animated movie. I think that was K pop Demon
Hunters, right? Which I'll say something about
later with Golden. OK.
Yeah, Trey. I think that was the first time
Trey had really heard Golden. No, no, I'm a high school
teacher. I'm a high school public school
teacher. I've heard I've.
Heard it before. K pop a lot.
But but this particular. Song.
This particular song I've heard, OK, you heard it a lot,
especially in the fall. Absolutely.
For my freshman class, yes I have heard the song.
And then there was a tie for animated short film, right?
Or was that a different award? There was a tie.
I forget what exactly it was
for, but I'd never seen that before.
I saw Sean tweeted out that it was like the 7th tie of like
ever. Actually, I don't think it was
for animated short film, I think it was for something else.
I think it was really documentary.
Short or something? Yeah, I think that's.
What it was we'll probably, yeah, we'll probably skip some
of those categories or just like move along so we can, you know,
we're doing this like right after.
So we do need to go to bed. Yeah, so we talked about best
cast casting director, right, how she said that she's been
doing this for 30 years of Paul Tom Sanderson.
She. Didn't talk about that.
No. I thought that was, I really
loved the the casting award. You talked about how it was like
great that we had like people come out from each one of the
films. It was the first time it was
being awarded. So we had like Paul Meskel, yes.
Paltrow, Nordo. Wagner, Mora.
Chase Infinity and anyway, like just everyone kind of like
talking about the casting director.
That was really cool, but honestly the like everyone who
could have gone up just felt like more of a regular person
than other people that we see like have a lot of money or like
trained for like PR kind of thing.
Agreed. So when?
And Doctor Morris said something, I think in Spanish at
one point, and it cut to Delray Lindo.
I didn't catch it. Yeah, but Cassandra, And I'm not
sure how to say her last name, but she was like, yeah, like
we've been working together for 30 years with, you know, PTA and
her. And so they grew up together.
And then she was like, and I also just got this Oscar before
you ever have gotten an Oscar. Like she just felt like a a real
person and like they have a real relationship and a friendship.
And that was just kind of refreshing to see on screen.
Speaking of PTA, best adapted screenplay goes to Paul Thomas
Anderson. I think this is where he he
talked about his family, right? He talked about writing this
movie for his kids. I forget if this was.
Because the best directors when he talked about his producing
partner who passed away. Right.
Yeah. So this was his first speech,
yes. So he talked about his kids and
he basically said that, you know, the the movie was like
made for them and he was just so disappointed in his generation
and the world that they were handing to his children.
And but the movie essentially like gave him hope that their
generation was going to like help change things.
And while that was like a beautiful sentiment, because
obviously we need like an older generation or just people in
general being like reflective of the state of the world, there is
still something always that is annoying to me.
I even though I like know what he meant, there's always
something that's annoying to me about passing off responsibility
to A next generation. Like they're going to do things.
So they figured it out. Oh, they're like more accepting
than previous generations, Like the kids are all right.
Like, I think that kind of idea of passing off responsibility,
even though that's not what he was trying to say in that it, it
leans into that and and leans into a lot of that rhetoric that
I find to be a little frustrating and also what we
found frustrating about the movie too, So politically.
People can go back and listen to our episode on that movie, and I
would like to do another episode on that film one day.
We talked a little bit about it on our second Sinners Deep dive
that we just did on Patreon last month and how that was the most
ambitious screenplay of the year by far and probably the most,
you know, dense screenplay in years from Ryan Cooper.
And he he won as well tonight for his screenplay.
But how PTAA director we love has written several screenplays
that are, I think, more coherent in what they're trying to say.
And I think it's one of the reasons people have had so many
issues with how he represented black woman in that movie or
revolutionary figures in that movie or the Christmas
Adventurers Club. And whether that satire lean too
much into parroting something that is like parroting a country
that's militarized to its core where like ethno upset, like
ethnocentrous people are obsessed with taking over the
nation for themselves. And maybe he did some funny SNL
humor, but it wasn't it's not the time to joke about that
stuff. It's more time to get serious
about that stuff. And so it's like an interesting,
he does feel the screenplay feels like 5 years, like it was
made five years earlier or something.
Does that make sense? It feels like it was made a
decade ago or like the beginning of the first Trump
administration where you could be a little bit more optimistic
and be like, after Trump left office, we go to Biden.
I can see him writing this screenplay and being like,
weird. It's time to pass it off to the
new generation, the Greta Tomburgs of the world, if you
will. Like I can.
I can see how that could happen. But now it just feels.
I don't know. I don't want to.
I don't want to do all this again.
We already didn't. Episode.
Yeah, yeah, you can go listen to the episode.
But I do want to say like for anyone who's just finding our
show, it's not that we think you can't approach something like
from a satirical lens and have a cutting like biting commentary
of something. It was more so that the movie
was running on the idea of like the the revolutionary, like
spirit of like basically Leo as the the seventh guy in this this
this revolutionary group. And like PTA.
Yeah, PTA thought it would be a funny concept to be like, what
would it be like to to make a movie about this guy, the
seventh most important guy here who kind of just like sits in
the back and like does the bomb thing and and and then later on
kind of has a daughter, but is watching a battle of Algiers.
Like, you know, getting high and kind of living in this mind
space of being like, oh, yeah, I feel like I did enough sort of.
But I'm. And I maybe you could feel a
little guilty, but ultimately like this is just the state of
the world now. And so Paul Thomas Anderson was
exploring this idea of like a white guy needing to to kind of
like come to terms with the the fact that he was like feeling
too comfortable. And that he ultimately like,
when it came time to need to know the password, like didn't
know the password because he was naive enough to think that like
this, that everything that was happening in the world was not
going to come for him, you know? And so like, obviously there is
like something happening. There is there are interesting
things happening there that we discussed on our podcast with
the Christmas Adventurers Club with everything that you said
about that. But ultimately, I think that the
movie, you know, was riding on this like father daughter story,
which people were talking like far more about and it was less
successful with the political commentary.
And that's like more So what we're talking.
About well, I actually think he won best screenplay because of
the Benicio Del Toro like side plot, the subplot of his
character with the Underground Railroad of like Latino
immigrants and refugees and stateless people who he is
basically securing in like this town on the top of buildings
were like corner shops. And when watching that the first
time in theaters, I've talked a lot about this and how emotional
I got when first watching this and to see or to learn later,
after seeing One Day After Another that Benicio del Toro
wrote that into the screenplay. It was weird to watch Paul
Thomas Anderson win a screenplay for that.
So I think he won for that. I don't think he won for the
father daughter. I don't think he won for the
Christmas Adventurers Club. I think he won because of Nisa
del Toro's character and what he represented right now in the
country. And I find it strange that he
won for this And I love Paul Thomas Anderson.
You cannot fucking come for me in the comments, OK?
You just fucking you've done. A lot of Paul Thomas Anderson
talk if. You're going to come for any
podcast, so Paul Thomas Anderson can't be fucking this one.
All right. But I'm saying all that to say
it was very strange to listen to his speeches tonight and not
hear like Ice brought up. You know what I mean?
Like I, I find it. Very it was.
OK, Yeah. It's very I'm not talking about
anything political. It's very telling about the
movie, about what it it's trying to talk about, which is
ultimately being about a white man and his strange relationship
to the ways in which he fetishizes people of color.
And I mean that about Lockjaw and I mean that about Leo, his
character and him coming to terms with his privilege, even
if he thinks he used to be a radical.
And that is sort of a self absorbed, very white story to
tell. And Benicio can't comes in and
kind of politically juices it up.
And I think PTA weirdly got credit for that.
And it was weird not to hear him think Benicio in the I thought
about all that. I was just thinking in his
speeches, like I I was just like fascinated that he didn't say
anything besides like thinking his family.
I know that was like supposed to be something that was, you know,
what the movie was about of like the next generation, like having
hope for change. But yeah, like it, it's I also
saw like no, like actors, like with well, not no actors, but
not a lot of actors with like pins on or like it just felt
like a lot of more like apolitical, not even apolitical,
just like trying to stay away from politics and and like just
thinking loved ones. Who gave the speech tonight
about how when you're complicit in the face of fascism, we lose
our countries? I think.
That was like one of the best speeches and it was from the
documentary the. Putin documentary.
Yeah, I think from the film makers.
Yeah, you basically was saying like a not word for word, but
like that we it doesn't just all happen at once, right?
It like happens in all these small moments and like being
complicit is a part of that. And like everyone has a
responsibility. And then there was another.
It was like there was a movie that was about that called The
Secret Agent, starring Dr. Mora and some of the great, one of
the greatest collection of set pieces that I've ever seen from
that amazing Brazilian film. Yeah, it's almost like the
Brazilian film that came out last year was also the best
movie of the year. And I'm still here about that
very subject. Yes, and I, you know, really who
should have won the best casting door award in my opinion was
secret agent. I agree but just I mean going to
if you haven't had a chance to watch Secret agent yet, like all
the different locations. First time actors.
All the different actors like who are filling the set making
it feel so lived in. Recreating it like literal time
period perfectly. Yeah, but yeah.
And there was another speech. Brian Coogler.
Who? Well, yeah, but who gave the
speech about? They quoted James Baldwin or
there's. A Yeah, Joachim.
True. James Baldwin Oh, yeah, OK.
And Joachim True was like, let's make like all adults have a
responsibility to take care of children, like vote accordingly,
but you know, nothing. There was nothing that was like
really like pushing any any boundaries.
It was the guy who made the documentary about basically
what's happened to Russia, which and, and the relationship to
Ukraine as well. And like that makes sense to me.
But still, it was just strange to watch somebody, a white man
in the Oscars, even if it is PTA who's made some of the more even
he's not known as a political filmmaker.
I think he is a political filmmaker.
I. Think he made there will be
blood like. Well, I think it's fucking
insane to not call him a political.
Director I also think it's weird because it's like he, you know,
doesn't have and again, love PTA.
I'm just a little disappointed because he doesn't need, like,
he doesn't need conservatives to watch his movies.
He doesn't need these, like, big audiences to watch his movies.
He is like, a giant in the film space where people already,
like, celebrate him so intensely and so, like, he's kind of,
like, untouchable in terms of what he represents as a
director. So it was just, yeah, I guess it
was just weird to not see him say anything.
Ryan Coogler won best screenplay, Best original
screenplay huge. His speech was short but it was
as per usual, Ryan Coogler like extremely thoughtful and warm
and he packs a punch with few words like and he did here where
he thanked his, his crew, his wife, his kids and basically
said sorry to his children for missing out on parts of their.
Yeah, he just said. Starts being away all the time,
Yeah. For making these movies and
something I found powerful about that.
I talked about this recently on our Sooners episode that I I
fear we're going to lose Ryan Coogler to retirement at a young
age. I'm just going to throw that out
there as an idea for people to think about because of the
massive responsibility. He takes the shit so seriously
and I'm so happy that he does cause so many film makers or
artists who become, as you know, as successful as a Ryan Coogler
who's legitimately a millionaire.
Now they start talking about how they start not talking about the
platform they have. They start talking about that
they don't actually have a larger responsibility, going
back to the PTA point, that they don't need to speak to these
broader ideas, that they're not the politicians, they're not the
policy makers, they're not academics.
And it's interesting. Ryan Coogler has just sort of
like accepted the fact that he will take on the responsibility
of film makers before him who couldn't have a platform, the
Spike Lee's who have been erased from the Oscars or John
Singleton's who couldn't make it.
And until they die too young and like or Gina Prince Pythewood or
like other film makers of color who have just not been
recognized as frequently as a Ryan Coogler and he's just
taking on that mantle. But I can see it wearing on him.
And I can see that tonight a little bit too.
But if but I could see him also take a deep like a a breath of
fresh air when seeing somebody like MBJ win her best actor.
Like he felt I could see in his I mean, I was maybe was
projecting. There was an accomplishment
there where he he felt like we're getting somewhere, or at
least that's what I was reading onto his face.
And also for MBJ, who's like a great director in his own right,
you know, winning best actor. It just felt like the stars
really aligned tonight for the Ryan Coogler career because I
was worried. We just did our Sinners podcast
and I went through like a whole 15 minute like monologue about
how I'm worried that he's going to have a young career quote, UN
quote young career like a George Lucas, which is to say, make,
you know, 7 movies and then retire because of maybe going to
producer status or trying to basically put other film makers
on because he's done his best because he doesn't want to lose,
you know, half his life doing this.
And he kind of noted that tonight in a speech which I
thought was interesting. Yeah.
And I think, you know, part of that is the the idea that of
what basically Ryan Coogler has had to do to like get to this
place with sinners. You know, and I think part of
part of that also is like what you're talking about before
with, yes, like Ryan Coogler 1, Michael B Jordan 1.
Like, there was this huge, like, energy around sinners and huge
energy around Ryan Coogler, who you can just tell is like an
amazing person, you know, like, just one of the warmest people.
It's just like. When he picked up autumn Durald
Arcapas son or child and carried them down that.
Was awesome. That was so cool.
Yeah. And I feel like, especially
because I was thinking, like, most directors or actors, like,
wearing suits, like being super fancy, that that night wouldn't
have done that because you're just in like, a physically
awkward position to hold, like a kind of a child who's not, like,
a toddler or something, right? Like running from the back up to
the front. And I was like, that was so
cool. And just like real, you know, to
to have like to make sure that like her kid was included.
That was like really special. But but what I was going to say
more so was like, you could tell like the the like immense like
pride that he felt for Michael B Jordan winning, like them being
like collaborators, you know, for so long and just being like
so happy for Michael B Jordan. But also I I don't think, you
know, that means like the industry is going to change,
right? And I think Ryan Coogler is
probably aware of that. And I think that the idea of
feeling like this, not exhaustion, but like, yeah, he's
like working so hard up against like a white industry to.
Whole career has been a reclamation project.
Yeah. Like, I'm going to use Black
Panther to reclaim the ways in which people talk about the
black community in poverty or African nations that have been
struggling in in decolonial periods.
And I'm going to like reclaim Creed from people who have
mythologized and fantasized about a white working class
meritocracy Percy Base like American Dream hero and Rocky
Balboa and how they made the capitalist of those films while
being the best friend of Rocky and a great performance.
Apollo Creed, who is the antagonist, especially those
first two films, reclaiming that name of Creed and reclaiming
Apollo, reclaiming people of color in the boxing sport, which
is predominantly a sport that has been popularized by people
of color in America. And then also with Black Panther
2 doing that again and then coming back with Sinners.
And it's it's just been a long career.
I mean, he started off the Fruitvale Station, which is like
trying to do basically the origins of Black Lives Matter
with the story of Oscar Grant, which is extremely powerful.
I just watched that movie a few times over the past few weeks
and preparation for all these conversations we've been having
with Sinners and now the Oscars. And that's probably his best
movie, dramatically. I think so too.
I mean, that it showcases like, what his talents are as a
director, Like is this is the dramatic like, piece of all the
movies, which is why all the movies are so successful in
terms of like an action, a sports movie or whatever.
Like at the court. He's just so good at drama and
like, character stories that when he's like, just doing that
in Fruitvale, it's so evident. Yeah.
And it's the same thing with Sinners, though Sinners is
basically about reclaiming culture.
A theft of culture, a theft of identity, a theft of self.
And it feels like he's reclaiming like individualism in
in the black community from capitalist villains in the
Vampires Assimilator. Villains on the red carpet he
had like those were awesome. But also, you know, what's
interesting, throughout this whole race, I really haven't
heard it talked about that. Like, Michael B Jordan is also a
director. You know, like, I feel like if
we. Yeah, if we had.
Like Creed 3 rules. Yeah, yeah.
Like in terms of the way it's made, it's really well made.
Yeah, we did a whole deep dive on Creed, but then I think Creed
two and three are Creed patron episode.
But But yeah, I I think that like that wasn't talked about
enough too. But yeah, OK, so.
So that was a speech, I think. Yeah, we talked about the speech
from Coogler. We didn't note that my Rudolph
was visibly crying, which also made us visibly cry looking at
one another. Because we love my Rudolph and
we're doing Bridesmaids on Patreon this month.
Which we didn't know was the 15th anniversary.
I had no idea it was the anniversary we're doing for Rose
Byrne and My Rudolph, because we want to shout out My Rudolph for
never getting credit for some of P TS humor.
And so it gave us opportunity. But it's funny how much like my
Rudolph and Rose Byrne and Kristen Wiig, among others, were
like back tonight. Yeah, it was amazing.
Should we talk about like some of the best people to give out
awards like the OR should we do that after?
No, yeah, I so it's either the fun stuff or the sad stuff
because we got the tribute, OK, or we have the funny bits and
there were only a few. OK, I thought you meant sad
stuff is like just like bad writing, like a Chris Evans.
No, no, Robert, Johnny. I do want to talk about that
though. OK, so I mean, I guess let's
just talk about the sad 1st and then we'll because it's not.
So I was walking the dog. So you got it?
Yes. OK.
Billy Crystal came. Out so we were trying to figure
out like what what's a good time for for Trey to to walk the dog
snowing outside. He opens the door, snowing like
he's in. His I was like, we'll be quick.
And then I open the door. I'm like.
Flies so OK, so then I, we I thought like maybe I could you
know, summarize a like documentary short or something,
but something that we haven't been able to like watch all
everything in the category. So and then the tribute comes on
Billy Crystal comes out. He is walking out to it had to
be you like a we just did Harry met Sally on Patreon, talked a
lot about Rob Reiner watched re watched a lot of his movies like
a few good men. And so Billy Crystal obviously
like being close with Rob Reiner talks about all of his his films
just had a really emotional like speech and but also Billy
Crystal's so funny. So it's like a light but warm
moment going through everything you know, and it's just crazy to
see. All the films like back-to-back,
Harry Met Sally, Stand By Me, Misery, Spinal Tap, like.
A few good men. Princess Bride, like, it's just,
it's wild. Yeah.
And he also like, was able because he like played, you
know, roles in so many of those movies, was able to like, kind
of do like the pecan pie, like little jokes throughout.
It do have his lines in the movies.
And then the the screen comes up and all of the actors that are,
you know, prominent in like Rob Reiner's movies come out like
Demi Moore, Meg Ryan, a bunch of people.
Yeah. And that was really beautiful.
Turn around. Like look at the the screen and
I. Very nostalgic moment.
Yes, so I. Videotaped that who weren't, who
weren't alive during. Most of the films really
videotaped it. You got the camcorder out.
Yeah, with my phone it. Was very nice.
And then and then Trey came back in.
I came in for the saddest part. Yes, which was Rachel McAdams.
Who we love We just did a month on on Patreon.
We're doing a lot of Patreon plugs by accident.
Right now I know it's. It's just coincided.
Well, obviously they had movies come out so like.
It's a lot of programming on our end.
Which should we tell people what we're doing for Patreon this
month? I said bridesmaids.
And Rachel McAdams. Oh, my God.
We're doing the notebook. We're doing the.
Holy shit. Yeah.
Wow. This is really working out.
Rachel McAdams is one of our favorite actors of all time.
She is our generations Julia Roberts, I guess our
generation's Julia Roberts and Daya we have to talk about with
the drama. And before Zendaya, though, I
would assume it's Rachel McAdams in terms of that lineage, if you
will. We're just like making this up
as we go. But that sounds about right and.
Julia Roberts, then Rachel McAdams, then Zendaya.
She spoke to the life of Catherine O'Hara and then also
Diane Keaton in particular. And when she's talked about
Diane Keaton in her career and her time with her on set and
that that speech made me emotional.
I mean. In the kitchen.
I can't tell ever if, you know, actors in these situations, of
course, they probably feel a personal connection to the
people that they're working with.
And also like, you know, there's a a huge, like, cultural
relationship to a lot of the actors, right?
So of course they could actually be getting emotional, but
they're also actors. So it's like, it's hard for me
sometimes to be like, how much are they giving emotion?
But it doesn't even matter. Like Rachel McAdams just makes
me cry, you know, she. Yeah.
She has that ability and then Robert Redford after that, as
well as a lot of other like Robert Duvall.
A lot of the actors were mentioned that are very notable.
This, the Memoriam, is that what it's called In Memoriam?
These don't always work. They're pretty inconsistent.
This was the best one I think I've ever seen and I don't know
why and I think it's. Well, they had a person like
speak to someone. Who had a personal relationship
with someone who had passed? That must be what it is.
And it doesn't feel as inauthentic as just putting a
bunch of faces on the board with some music for 7 minutes.
So. There's one they had like a live
dance during it that felt extra weird.
Yeah. But I I would also say this one
was like the the best one they've done.
It felt the most personal like you said.
There was a documentary moment we already talked about, and
Jimmy Kimmel came out, joked about how you know.
He was like, I think he was introducing the documentaries
and he was saying like, they're, you know, we should really value
free speech. And like there are certain
countries that don't. I won't say which one.
You know, like. The funny stuff, but and then I
think we already talked about the.
Documentaries. Yeah.
And then we go to score, which is Ludwig Gordenson.
Ludwig Gordenson. Yeah, Great speech.
Very quick, very beautiful. Well practiced.
Yeah, well practiced. He was like my dad on the other
side of the world, like, listen to a Blues record and made him
fall in love with music. He put a guitar in my hand at
the age of seven. That led me to the greatest
storyteller of our generation, Ryan Coogler.
I was like, holy shit. Like, you just did a great job.
He really like just boom, boom, boom.
And also it was cool because not only is like music such a a
great part of that movie and it's a great score, but I think,
you know, there's so much thematically with like Sammy,
like and you know, Miles Katon's character, like having a guitar
in his hand and what music represents in that movie.
So it was a really cool when and then speech.
Yeah, art as mobility is a big theme for Sammy's character and
sinners. And yeah, somehow Goranson
conveyed that, even though his speech was a little jokingly.
I said this to Kelsey on the couch, it was a little similar
to Jack O'connell's character's whole bit where you're just
like, you're such, so good at this.
Like, I need to be around you to consume your powers.
And, like, it was. So it's sort of funny hearing
Goranson kind of say it like he was Jack O'connell's character.
Anyways, sound went to F1. OK, that was the sound of our
room when F-11 editing went to 1 battle after another.
Sure, it was extremely well edited.
I think the best sequence that was edited in that movie was
probably when Leo was trying to escape with the skateboarders
jumping from rooftop to rooftop and he falls and then he gets
tased. I also like when he snipes to
save chase Infinity like it's a sniper has the car and he goes
to then they go to do the Mad Max sequence.
Like all that's really well edited cinematography.
We already talked about Autumn Durald Arcopa it.
Was cool to see though Demi Moore who like we talked about
last year, it was like wild that she didn't get the the win for
that. Like being in Hollywood for so
long. It was a cool though to see Demi
Moore give her the the award. Right.
We talked about how like, both Mikey Madison and Demi Moore
were deserving of that award. But the Oscars traditionally
reward young woman because it's usually like an older, like,
like male dominated voter bodies for these award bodies and
especially the Oscars, and they tend to only reward young women
and only reward older men as to like preserve their own status.
People weren't really ready for that conversation.
Last Oscars when we talked about that, we got a lot of pushback
on that about people being like, well, she deserved it.
Mikey Madison deserved it. I'm like, yeah, I also love
Mikey Madison. She does deserve it.
But Demi Moore has been doing this bullshit for 35 years and
that's exact. That's like exactly what's going
to happen to somebody like Timmy.
It will happen to they're going to like quote, UN quote, deserve
it when they're 50 so they can keep they can stop.
Went for like a random movie where he's inside a bear.
Yeah, probably. Best international feature
Joachim Trier, which is great sentimental value.
Yeah, loved seeing Sentimental Value cast on stage because I
love Renata. I love the guy that she always
stars with and who also stars basically like he was Joachim
Trier's original Renata Ron's Fay, Ron's Fay.
But then, he has now become the love interest of Renata Ron.
'S Anders Danielson, Lee. Yes, love him Anders and yeah,
so it was cool to to to see like everyone on stage.
But I do think like that movie or that award should have gone
to Secret Agent. Agreed, I think it should have
gotten a secret agent as well. And there are a lot of great
international teachers. Like it was just an accident.
There's a lot of good international movies this year.
Any the James Baldwin paraphrase.
Yeah, we already talked about it.
OK, that was pretty cool. Best actor MBJ.
Anything else to say about MB J? I think it was just like a
really. Strange like race.
Sorry, what were you going to? Say, well, yeah, I think going
into the movie, I mean into the movie, into the, the movie that
is the Oscars, into the, the telecast.
I, I was like, OK, you know, I don't think Timmy's getting it.
But wait, maybe he could still get it because of like this like
long campaign he's doing. I I want Michael B Jordan to get
it. I think Timmy like could also
deserve it. Wait, is Leo going to get it or
they're just going to like vote for the like for Leo even though
they're already given him one? And I'm I was really happy that
Michael B Jordan got it, But I was, I really didn't know
totally what the Oscars body, voting body was going to do
here. Well, this is the rare case in
which an actor wins for their best performance.
Like I think Michael B Jordan won for his best performance and
that felt like satisfying because Timmy.
I think people are lying to themselves that Marty Supremes
is best performance. I like that movie, I like the
performance, but I also saw Dune 2 and I was like holy shit.
As Paula trades in Dune Part 2. Or if you want to say like you
could argue, call me by your name or you could argue
beautiful boy. There's like a lot of we were
ranking. Of his performances on what
episode? But I think that I think it's
it's up there with his best performances.
I think it's like second for me. I think we've disagreed on this
in our ranking. That's a great performance.
I just, I really, I think people forget the conversations we were
having when Dune Part 2 came out.
We were like, this is Empire Strikes Back and this is like a
subversion of Skywalker or Anakin, whatever.
And it's a lot of fun. I know, I know, I understand.
That's the source material. And also Dew McGregor came out.
Obi Wan came out. Looking preserved as the Jedi,
he is him. Nicole Kidman, have something
going on? I almost had sex on stage.
Yeah, it was honestly, I was like, OK, I see this, even
though it's a bit. He is so her type, like she
married Keith Urban and Tom Cruise.
Like, he is like right up her alley there.
I hope this happens for them. But yeah.
But back to Michael B Jordan's speech.
So Michael B Jordan, child star The Wire, Friday Night Lights.
Vince Landrieu was also in the crowd.
Wish we got a Landry moment. One more DAP up a Friday.
Friday night. You seen the interview or the
conversation they had with actor on actors Fruitvale station,
Creed, Black Panther, sinners. Some mess ups in his career but
nothing that he did wrong with. Just bad movies like Fantastic
Four or like action films that never really worked or buddy
comedies that never worked. I guess now I'm just curious,
like does he become Tom Cruise or Denzel Washington?
Like does he become one of the last real movie stars that we've
been talking about with Timothy Chalamet?
It's just, it's an interesting way to reframe MBJ just because
I think a lot of people have associated him with being great
because of Ryan Coogler. But it'll be interesting now to
see as he is a successful director in his own right with a
very profitable Creed franchise. Even though I don't know where
it's going to go now with Jonathan Majors, but he's going
to be directing Thomas Crown Fair and starring in it, which
is a very fun Pierce Brosnan. Which is like a thriller, a spy
movie. Yeah, and it's, I don't think
I've ever seen. It's like a sexy spy movie.
And you know who the lead is? The Co lead is with him Audrey
Arona. Yeah, that's amazing.
And that's going to work. Yeah.
So I'm in. And he's going to be starring in
a Miami Vice remake with Austin Butler.
OK. Don't like the costar there, but
that's fine. I'll get past.
It I think that'll work though. I think maybe you're right.
So I think that yeah, that's fine, whatever, OK.
But I think. I guess what I'm saying is he
has to be successful outside of just Ryan Coogler.
I think for him to reach the highs of those movie.
Stars. I think you're talking about
this. When we rewatched A Few Good
Men, we were like Tom Cruise. What he's doing here is kind of
like, no one is like touching this.
Like it's. Insane like what he is doing
with like the the charismatic, like he is just living in his
own movie kind of thing. He's like an Energizer Bunny.
Yeah, just like, you know, eating the apple in the office,
like talking to Demi Moore, even even when he's like saying
things that I'm like, I'm like not even paying attention to the
writing. I'm just paying attention to
like what what he's got going on.
Jumping out of my screen. Exactly.
And I think that I think that people could argue that, like
Timmy does this thing in a certain sense because he
obviously has this kind of like annoying, like manchild ability
to play a character who has like insecurities and do this thing
with like masculinity like he does in Marty Supreme.
But I think that like what Tom Cruise was doing that I think
not a lot of people have touched is actually like what Michael B
Jordan is is going to be able to do in a lot of like action
movies Because that's like what Tom Cruise kind of ends up doing
or it feels like sometimes he's an act in an action movie, in a
drama in the best way possible. And I think that we we might see
like Michael B Jordan, especially in a spy movie.
I have no idea what the plot is of Thomas Chronifer.
Fair. I know that's a hugely popular
like. I'm pretty sure they're robbing
a cruise. Film But I just or is it a film?
Was it a oh OK no no I know this is a film but was it previously
like a series or something? It was a movie and I think it
was based on something else. I forget what it was.
OK, gotcha. But regardless, like I think
that I'll be really excited to see him like carry a franchise
and hopefully get a lot more dramatic opportunities and also
like action movies that he'll be able to have a dramatic role in
and like kind of make the movie more successful because of that.
I think going into becoming an action star is the wrong turn
for him. I think he's one of the most
emotionally expressive actors we have.
And so to me, he's Jake Gyllenhaal.
Like that's where Michael B Jordan is like that's his
talent. And I think that what I mean by
that is he's a very emotionally expressive actor.
And when he can hit that range of emotional expression, he's
good. When he stays there, he's good.
And like heightened emotions to 11.
I actually don't think him as an action star will ever feel
legitimate. Sort of like how I watch Jake
Gyllenhaal in action movies. I'm like, this feels wrong.
Like, I'm watching somebody who's too good to be in action
films, if that makes sense. Tom Cruise feels like the and
Will Smith probably feel like the only actors who've been able
to do that. But even Will, I guess Will is a
good example. When I watch Will Smith in
action films, you know, you see him in Pursuit of Happiness, and
then you see him in, you know, action movies later on.
You're like this. It doesn't feel totally right.
Yeah, no, I I agree. Does that make sense?
What I what I mean by action films are not like throw away
action movies like I don't. Yeah, like I don't.
Mean that a few of those. Yeah, I mean more so like I like
the spy genre like that is a sort of like Mission Impossible,
like espionage adjacent action movie.
Our new Ethan Hunt. Yeah, like that's, that's more
So what I was trying to like get into with the Tom Cruise, you
know, comparison. But I know I I agree.
I don't really want to see, I don't really want to see anyone
in an action movie because I don't watch action movies.
So but I but I do think like there are.
It's funny, I thought you were like Michael B Jordan is Jason
Statham. Absolutely not.
No, I but to me, my, I guess I should have prefaced my action
movies are like the firm, like intellectual action movies where
there feels like there's some like action going on because
there's like murder, like whatever you like.
A little corruption. I like a little, you like a
little. Espionage.
But anyway, so I think like, I think he can really like thrive
in these environments where he can kind of like give like the
camera a wink, you know, but also like be dramatically like
grounding the movie. Yeah, not many actors can do it.
Yeah. And I will say, like, at one
point in Michael B Jordan's career, I was like, oh, no, is
he, like, going to be Ben Affleck?
Like, I did get worried for a second.
Or, like, at best, Chris Evans, I'm like.
And he just wasn't given the right roles.
And it took Ryan Coogler, who is one of the greatest storytellers
we have right now, especially in his like cohort of Greta Gerwig
and Damien Chazelle and Ari Astor.
Like he is up there, if not number one.
And hopefully MBJ keeps starring in all those movies.
But I do hope he also crafts his own lane elsewhere.
I'd be curious to see where he goes next.
Best actress? Jessie Buckley, Everybody saw
this coming. Yeah, I was this morning.
I was like, who? Who's a lock, right?
Like Jesse Buckley, I'm sure. Woke up this morning.
Happy Mother's Day, by the way, to the UK listeners.
Yeah, it was really cool that that just, like, happened.
What a coincidence. And she gave a great speech
about, like, the courageous, wild heart of a mother or
something. I forgot the exact line.
It was a beautiful line. And yeah, like, I think this was
a obviously a lock and it was cool that she probably woke up,
woke up this morning was like, I'm going to get an Oscar.
That's wild. So I think her surprise, not
that she can't be surprised. She can do whatever she wants.
But I was like, girl, you knew you were getting this.
Let's like, you know, but but anyway, it was it was nice.
She thinks CLO Zhao and the second writer on the movie.
Maggie O'farrell. Thank you and no Paul shout out
this time because she was like, I have other people to thank.
I've already, you know, already given Paul all his flowers,
right. And yeah, I mean, Hamnet's a a
beautiful movie. And I'm I'm glad that Jesse,
even though they didn't really use the in the Oscar clip reel,
they didn't use like some of her strongest.
I didn't notice that. Maybe because it's 2.
Yeah. Upsetting, maybe.
Yeah, I should say Hamnet was my favorite movie of the year.
And I know people think it's Oscar bait.
I know a lot of people didn't connect to it.
I had an out of body experience watching that movie in the
theater and I've not watched it since.
It's my new Manchester by the Sea and I probably won't watch
it. But Manchester by the Sea wasn't
your favorite movie of the year. You know that.
Year this was far more hopeful, yeah than Manchester was.
This was inspirational to me in a lot of ways.
And I am not sentimental like Chloe Zhao is, even though I
respect Chloe Zhao and I didn't, did not fuck with Nomad Land.
And I don't know if I even messed with like Chloe Zhao as a
her sensibilities as a film maker, but what she got going
on, what she had going on in Hamnit, I was on the same page.
But I think we we were talking about how we could like, listen
to her speak about her process for a long time.
Super cool. Yeah.
That that was really interesting on the like Hollywood Roundtable
and James Cameron, you know, James Cameron despite him.
Being I think I found my 6th wife.
Exactly, despite James Cameron being one of those so annoying
people and by by the way, James Cameron like speaks out for
shit. So like, let let me just like
say I respect that. That's true.
He did, but he despite him, despite him being a man.
Or if he's in space right now. I want to.
Yeah. Well, that's what I wanted to
say. There was this commercial of
like, all of these, like, athletes and like, I forget what
it was exactly for because there was at one point a whole like
Zendaya commercial. And it was like, Oh my God,
we're going through our whole careers.
It's like a documentary about her and.
There was like. Rolex commercial.
But anyway, so we have like this commercial with all of these
athletes and doing like their thing.
And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, Jim Cameron in his
little spaceship, in his little, in his little submarine.
At the bottom, hanging out with Nemo.
Coming out like he comes back up to surface like high 5 someone
so good. We did a Titanic episode in
December, so we've been in Big Jim's minds.
If you're curious, go watch hours and hours of James Cameron
testing all of the real life experiments of what would have
happened. Not of the actual Titanic crash
itself or sinking itself, but of his movies rendering of the
Titanic crash to see if it was accurate.
It's not worth it. It's not worth.
It can I we're almost done. We have Best Picture left and we
have some few takeaways that we have mentioned.
And some we have to talk about people who like came out to give
awards. Yeah, there's some some
takeaways. OK, Best supporting actor Kieran
Culkin comes out as all the winners do.
He's the one last year for Jesse Eisenberg's film and that was
deserving As for as even though people think he just played
himself. Well, guess what?
So like half your favorite actors play themselves and
there's a reason why they're interesting is themselves
because like, that's why they become who they are and the
Culkin families. And that's true.
For Roman Roy, Absolutely. Did he deserve it?
Yeah. Yeah, I think even Stalin
Skarsgard sort of got nominated for sentimental value because of
and, or to be honest. But he said on the red carpet
before even coming on. You know, he was, I thought he
was going to be pretty silly. I think he just finished filming
Hunger Games as the new gamekeeper.
Yeah, gamekeeper. Thank.
You wait. Oh, no, no.
Oh, wait. Oh, he's Tucci.
OK, He's not, he's not the gamekeeper then.
He's like the the host. Correct.
He's the host of the show. I see.
Yes, I think. And he looked pretty exhausted.
I know, he said last year his wife just had kids and so I
think he looked. Like he was on the whole Razor
Crest run. Yeah, last year when when he was
just like staying off the cup shit.
And yeah, he looked a little tired.
He was more and so on the red carpet before the interviewer
was expecting a little bit of crazy energy from him.
He's like, no, I'm actually really excited to hand out this
award to whoever wins best supporting Actor because I went
up to get it from RDJ last year, who won it for Oppenheimer the
year prior, I think and. Who won for Iron Man?
And then I'm just kidding. Keep going.
Iron Man. Like like Robert Downey Junior
won for Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer, but really he won
for Iron Man. Oh I see, I understand it was a
career award. Yeah.
It's getting late. And he was like, RDJ handed me
the award and he was like, this isn't going to be your best
moment. Your best moment's going to be
giving this to the next deserving actor.
And it's really that that is going to be a special
connection. So congratulations on that.
And Kieran Culkin was like, I got emotional hearing him say
something nice. And I'm paraphrasing a little
bit, but so he came on stage to give the award and it was so
funny because he couldn't give the award to anybody.
So Karen Gold can be a little sassy like Sean Penn.
Not here. Didn't want to come I.
Couldn't have this moment. I just want to say like when
people are like, I don't know, I don't really see like structural
racism in the Oscars. Go fucking watch Delroy Lindo
scenes and Sinners. Not the comedic scenes.
Those are sometimes funny, sometimes not.
But I mean the emotional scenes, like when he's driving with
Sammy and I think it's Stack in the car, Go watch that.
Those scenes where he breaks out into the Blues after something
traumatic happens to him, where he has like a PTSD moment and
he's explaining history of what it's been like to live in the
South and explain the Jim Crow era really to Sammy and what he
might have to go through as a young black man in America.
And go watch that scene and then go watch Sean Penn get a boner
in one battle after that. You know what I mean?
Like, it's fucking unreal. It's unreal that Sean Penn won
for this. And I think Sean Penn is a fine
actor and has a cool career, I guess, and a lot of out of
offset shit. That's insane to me that he saw
as a career, but whatever. It's wild to me he won for this
performance, especially with the performance symbolizes,
especially in comparison to what Delroy Lindo's character
symbolizes. Like I just don't understand.
So even when MBJ wins and like the same people who voted for
Sean Penn to win over Delroy Lindo voted for MBJ to win, the
just the virtue signal, the virtue signaling Academy is just
like head scratching, like confusing.
Anyway, I just want to get that out there.
Insane to me because Delroy Lindo would have given the best
speech of the night like he has lived in this industry, has been
keeping it alive in certain spaces for a long, long time and
as guys do. Yeah, and I think we it was
interesting because a lot of people were like surprised that
he was nominated. But after we saw Sinners, even
though we weren't like, oh, Sinners is like my favorite
movie of the year, whatever. Like we still really think it's
a great movie and I'm glad we got to read deep dive it on our
our Patreon deep dive. But like, one thing especially
that when we walked out of it, we're like great ensemble, but
like Del Ray Lindo was so good in it, not only comedically but
like emotionally. And so, yeah, like I think that
the voting, it's interesting to, you know, when I sometimes I'll
listen to people like talk about the Oscars because I'm, I'm not
as like familiar with the history of who's awarded.
But I will hear people say like, yeah, like the Oscars tends to
like nominate villains, right? Or not nominate reward and like
give the the award to a lot of villains and like supporting
roles. And they often frame it like
these are like big roles. But I wonder if like you're
saying it's this like kind of performative of like this is
what we stand against. But like, yeah, like it's like
the just paradoxical in terms of like the the award itself.
And yeah, so anyway, that's an interesting point.
Best Picture 1 Battle after another.
Tiana Taylor puts Paul Thomas Anderson in a headlock.
That was sad shout out her the whole night.
She looked great, by the way. She.
Did look great. She's working out and for anyone
who is just finding her show or like maybe you're just a newer
listener, go watch 1001. We talked to or Trey talked to
AB Rockwell, the director of that movie 1.
Of the best films two years ago. Yes, Deanna Taylor starred in it
and you're really able to see it because she's like in it for so
long. She's not just in this like
first part of you know, the the movie.
Like she is such a good actor and loved seeing her love, loved
her energy. Her performance is so good and 1
battle after another that you like, she convinces you that her
character wants to have sex with Leo's character, which I thought
it was I could not be convinced of.
I'm still sort of skeptical of, but she's really good in in
convincing you of that fun exercise.
The 1975 nominees that PTA was referencing to talk about how
the gamification of of art is really stupid and how all these
movies that have been nominated for best picture, like equally
important to this craft and also to culture at large.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, which one best picture, Barry
Lyndon, Dog Day Afternoon, Jaws and Nashville.
And you could say the movie that one was the worst of those five.
I think you can make that argument.
I think my favorite of those 5 is probably probably dog day
afternoon. Oh, I thought you were going to
say Jaws. Then Jaws.
I was going to say dog day afternoon and I thought there
was a hot take. Yeah, Wow.
So you're going to say. I thought, I thought you were
going to say Jaws and I was going to be like, I have a hot
take. It's dog day.
I think it's dog day. We're sitting on that people
though. Yeah.
So I'm asking. I'm going to ask this question I
want you to think about. It I mean, it's not like clearly
dog day. I could see anyone talking about
Jaws. And by the way, if you like
Jaws, go watch Secret Agent with a lot of Jaws shout outs in it.
So those are the five movies that he mentioned.
If you had to take 5 movies from the 10 that were nominated and
say 2026, what are the five that come closest?
And I'm going to name them out. Movies in 2020.
Six OK, the 10 movies that were nominated for best picture, what
are the five best ones that are going to be as culturally
significant? I was going to read you the my 5
at least. So sinners, obviously 1 battle
after another. This is where it gets hard.
I'm going to say Hamnet. I'm going to say the secret
agent. And then I think the debate is
now between Begonia, Marty, Supreme and sentimental value.
I think it's Begonia. Interesting, a lot of people did
not like Begonia. I really.
Liked Begonia. I also really like Jesse Blemons
and I also was expecting to. I think it also had a lot to do
with me going into it being like I don't know if I want to see
another like Emma Stone in a Yorgos movie.
Just it it felt like I had we had just seen so much of of them
together, even though they have great collaborations like love
turn poor things and love turn the favorite.
I just, I don't know, I was I had a low expectations going in
if not being kind of like. Well, to me, I guess my point is
I'm trying to make is there's like 5 or 6, maybe 7 movies here
like Begonia, Marty Supreme, Hamnett, Sinners, Sentimental
Value of 1, Battle After Another and The Secret Agent.
That's 7 movies that I have at 4 1/2 stars or five stars that
could easily all be like classics in the next 2530 years.
And I just think it's, or I guess 50 years if you taken to
the fact that he used 1975 as the year to talk about that
example. Yeah, I just thought it was fun
to zoom out a little. Bit yeah, I think Marty Supreme
would probably make it in there. I I was tempted to put
sentimental value, but I, I think that I'm like essentially
thinking about I love, I love all of yoking Trier's other
movies and sentimental values. One of my least favorites of his
because there were like certain things that fell off.
You know, we talked about how Scarsyard like, got too much
screen time in the movie, where I was like, wanting to go back
to the sisters always. Might be the best filmmaking of
any of his movies. That's that is true.
But the screenplay, I think it's up to your subjective taste.
And I think, you know, there are so many people who ask us around
this time, especially because they kind of like want to be in
the conversation of like, what Oscar movie should I see?
And I'm always telling them like, go back and watch this
movie from this film maker. Don't watch this movie.
Like I know you want to be in the cock but go watch worst
person in the world like. And then watch sentimental
value. Yeah, or even like 1 battle
after another. Like yes, watch 1 battle after
another, but go like watch there will be blood or like phantom
threat. Phantom threat.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, what were you at?
What? What?
I was trying to.
I think it's time for bed. We did it.
This is a hard job, What we're doing, we.
Didn't talk about bridesmaids we didn't talk about.
OK, people, I've. Been wanting to talk about this
whole time. The OK, the the weird moments
that I have here are Bridesmaids, Avengers promo,
Channing Tatum, Adrian Brody, and that's it.
I think we already talked about Javier Bardem, right?
With 3 lbs. I did OK.
Those are the other notes I had. Yeah.
And then the music performance, which is great for Miles Katen,
recreating the whole the whole cast or half the cast,
recreating that surreal music set piece and actually putting
real life black artists into the position of the artists that are
in the past, present and future of that scene.
That was sick. I didn't think they could do it
at first when the camera was rolling through the crowd and
then it and then it was looked like it was bumping into people
as they were dancing. I was like, Oh no, it's not
going. To do this, yeah, yeah.
It's not going to work, but it really worked.
Yeah, OK. So anyways.
The weird fun moments. Yeah, so the Bridesmaids, you
know, everyone loves to see the Bridesmaids cast.
We love Rose Byrne, Melissa McCarthy, Kristen Wig, Maya
Rudolph and I'm not sure what the actors name is who plays
Kimmy Schmidt? Who plays?
I always call. Her Aaron from the office.
But I love her. And they had a lot of like, you
know, they were like. Ellie Kemper.
OK. Ellie Kemper.
They were giving the kind of like normal speech to the crowd
and then all of a sudden get delivered these like notes that
are like fake notes from the crowd.
And it was about like how they essentially like their their
work looked OK, you know. Oh, I guess that one was like
fake Elle Fanning. It's actually from like.
Stalin's car. Stalin.
'S car's guard and he he was a great sport with it and then
they were like, oh, this one's from Benicio del Toro like let's
like get it moving. You guys are like taking up too
much time and they cut to him also a great like, you know,
playing along. He's like editing fucking Go,
guys. Leos is my favorite though,
yeah. That.
Was what Rose Byrne said to Leo. So I thought you were someone
else. Yeah, she was like, Leo, I was
staring at you all night. I thought you were someone else.
Yeah. Pulling in a lot of the great
Bridesmaids comedy anyway. Roseburn, one of the most
underrated comedic actors across genders of all time.
Yeah, of all time. We just recently rewatched
Neighbors, yes with Bridesmaids and we were like holy shit.
Rose Byrne under discussed. She's incredible.
And if I had legs, I'd kick you. So it's Conan.
But God, that was also a funny joke of Conan, one of the one of
the good jokes. Conan was like, it's really hard
to star with someone who you're so, so attracted to who you have
a question. So like, good for you, Rose
Byrne, for being able to do that.
And yeah, anyway, that the I thought you were someone else to
Leo was hilarious. But just love seeing them
together and can't wait to talk about bridesmaids.
The other thing that really didn't work but is worth talking
about is this Avengers promo, which is like, it's just like
over. It's over.
It's over.
It felt sad.
Stop. Trying to make.
That Stop trying to make Avengers happen.
That's what it feels like. Yeah, remember 15 years ago when
the first Avengers came out? I was like.
He danced with Peggy. I was like Robert Downey Junior.
And it's. Over.
You guys are so rich. Yeah, you are so, so rich.
This feels like gross. Yeah, and it sucks because like
both of those actors, I like both of those actors, and
they're both very funny. Chris Evans in an underrated
way, but they didn't even get to be funny.
Channing Tatum, though. He almost didn't get to be funny
because he had a Will Arnett bit that was really strange.
And it wasn't his. Fault.
Yeah, it wasn't anyone's fault. No one laughed at because also
like, it was just weird to basically like, say that Will
Arnett. I don't know Will Arnett.
I think it's. Like Will Arnett's not good at
stand up. They should make a movie about
that. But then later on, Channing
Tatum came back and, like, really delivered what he's good
at. And Robert Downey Junior was
like, I got you, you know, these Magic Mike shorts.
And cut to Channing Tatum in the crowd.
I'm going to need those back. Though love felt like it was 21
Jump St. Yeah, it felt like we were just
like, transported back in time. That was awesome and it was
beautiful. To see.
Channing Tatum do that. And then Adrian Brody and Adrian
Brody and the night. You know good.
Good for him. We we were hard on.
Him, we were hard on him. It was.
It was particularly a little bit annoying.
He threw gum and his girlfriend did a lot of mansplaining and
told everybody to cut the. I mean the music.
I'm staying on this stage. I'm.
Waiting to like want to give your speech, but no.
But anyway, OK, but but then the gum like I'll just swallow the
gum brought a lot of nose. Yeah, ha ha.
So you have a lot to say. You're the best nominee.
It was funny. It's it's good to he he was a
good sport about everything that had happened.
Yeah, it was interesting that the the commentary on the the
previous Oscars. I would say All in all, a lot of
like bomb like just like the the two like father son duo coming.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
What? What were we thinking?
Strange, strange, bad chemistry going on across the board.
They're just strange, yeah. Ultimately, that was the 98th
Academy Awards. I think those were our reaction
thoughts. But I think the biggest take
away of the night is that PTA got what he deserved, which is
finally being cemented in like Hollywood history through the
Academy, if you care about that, which I know he does, even
though he's critical of the Academy.
And then also the biggest take away was that Ryan Coogler, who
also was deserving of Oscars and got one which was historic and
was deserving. He didn't just win the, you
know, he didn't get to win the Oscars, all the Oscars like PTA
did. But Ryan Coogler, I think won
the culture and like, that was pretty significant and I think
pretty obvious too. I think even to like directors
in the room. I could see Kojou, like noticing
what was going on. I could see Yokum Trio.
I could see PTA. And they're like, well, Ryan is
like, yeah, he is a he is bigger than celebrity now.
Like this is something else going on here, like Phil, like
Steelberg. Yeah.
And I loved when he went over and like hugged Chloe.
I loved her Jesse one like it's just cool to see.
I think the the take away was like the energy in the room was
really like directors supporting each other's art.
Yes, and that was really cool. Yes, just like a last few
takeaways, it was funny to see a knock at the Netflix ification
at like describing the plot over and over again.
Oh, that was so. Fun And Sterling K Brown was
like, oh, World War 2 like. Oh my God, was that?
The Hitler one like the like and then just kept saying like in
world. The Oscars Where do they win
Oscars? Yeah.
And yeah, that was really funny. There was a moment.
People don't get that joke. Watch The RIP on Netflix.
Sure. Yeah, just the continuous plot
explanation. And then there was also a
avatar, avatar win from digital effects or whatever, visual
effects, whatever. And I was like, look at these
like guys just going up for playing on their computers.
So, so happy for them. I also have a.
Question about best costume Should digital like graphic
designers get in digital effects?
Cruise, I don't want to stir a controversy here, this isn't a
ballet opera situation. But like, should they get credit
for creating digital costumes the same way that seamstress or
or costume designers are? Getting or They're so
confidently just now costumers. I don't even know if seamstress
is the right word. I'm sorry, but like, basically
costume designers, like physical costume designers are getting.
No. Does that make sense?
Yeah, I don't think because I think there are real costumes
being made, but they. Didn't from costume design.
But they were nominated. I just you made me think about
Avatar. Interesting.
Yeah. I found that to be strange.
I don't like going in that direction.
Strange as a culture, there was one other thing that I wanted to
bring up. Oh yeah, there was Speaking of
of the whole ballet opera thing, there was a one of the, I think
documentary shorts that just decided to like cut to Timmy,
like looked him dead in the eyes.
It was like decided to take that moment to like really.
I was. I was.
What an embarrassing week to be online this past week to look at
people's reaction to to 15 seconds of Timothy Shallow man.
Oscar speech forever. Hour and a half interview that
he had with Matthew McConaughey in this like political CNN town
hall. This is an embarrassing week to
like be plugged into Internet culture and read people's takes
and also to see how many people joked about it tonight.
And that one person who like tried to say ballet and opera
during their Oscar speech. I was like, why there There are
so many things that you could bring up that are significant.
This is not one of them. So anyways, that was the extra
credit to the Oscars. Those are our reaction thoughts
are if we were a little bit all over the place, but it is very
late. And it is way past our bedtime.
Yeah, I got to wake up at 5:00 AM, so peace.
Bye.