1 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,400 Hello, welcome to the Extra Credits Plus of Bella. 2 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,520 Bella, today we are talking about Yorgos Lanthimos and Emma 3 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,200 Stone's Poor things. I'm Trey. 4 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,160 And I'm Kelsey. So we are back with Weird Girl 5 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,760 Summer talking about poor things yet again. 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,320 This movie is led by a bold, hilarious Oscar winning Emma 7 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,280 Stone performance. We'll definitely be talking a 8 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,080 lot about her career today, maybe even do a a ranking 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,080 exercise with her career. This movie is directed by the 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,880 wonderfully bizarre and shockingly unpredictable Yorgos 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,360 Lanthimos. Today will be our final episode 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,000 on Patreon for the Stone and Lanthimos discussion that we've 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,200 been having because we just did a favorite last week. 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,640 We have not seen Kinds of Kindness yet, so we will be 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,120 talking about them again probably in the next few months. 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,520 Yeah, hopefully pretty soon. But we are on a Lanthimos and 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,680 Stone kick right now and this is the end of our journey. 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,600 I'm curious if you feel similarly to me, because I am 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,800 really glad we got to revisit these movies. 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,400 They are absurd, dark comedies that I've I've loved revisiting. 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,720 But also, I'm not going to lie, I'm kind of happy we can take a 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,880 break from being in these worlds because they are pretty 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:26,880 upsetting, you know? Yeah. 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,800 Yeah, I think that I probably feel similarly like Poor Things 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,080 is really fun to deep dive today because it's his most I guess, 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:41,360 like optimistic fairy tale like and sentimental story. 27 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,040 And there are definitely critiques that I have about it 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,000 because of that. But it is a kind of like a feel 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,200 good fable almost. And it takes a lot of themes 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,160 that he looks at in his other movies, but it just doesn't have 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,360 that dread inducing, you know, atmosphere created as something 32 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,240 like a dog tooth or killing of a sacred deer. 33 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,040 And we did our ranking on the favorite of our, you know, your 34 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,440 ghost filmography. And those are towards the bottom 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,720 for me because they feel like I'm sitting in that that feeling 36 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,760 for a little too long. And it's not completely clear, 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,120 like what he I mean, it's clear what he's getting at in certain 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,840 aspects, but other things just feel like, you know, I already 39 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,120 got this point. So there's there's repetition. 40 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,560 Yeah. And and I think that's where, 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,960 you know, he sometimes is not my favorite director, even though I 42 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:38,760 really respect how he's able to creatively capture this wild and 43 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,040 and like singular kind of vision that he has. 44 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,960 Right when he's making a comment about like, domesticity and like 45 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,280 the relationships of family and dog tooth. 46 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,840 I think it's interesting. And I like to think about his 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,880 movies, but I don't always love to sit in them. 48 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,560 And then there's something like the lobster that's kind of in 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,520 the middle right of of those and like a poor things and a 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,480 favorite where it has both those elements and it has a really 51 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,040 funny commentary running through it about like monogamy. 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:11,280 But you know, then it has this dystopian story tacked on at the 53 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,800 end that I'm just not as into. And I think like you're far more 54 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,440 into than me. So I, I think, you know, I love 55 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,840 parts of his work. I respect his work, but I also 56 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,880 learn more towards other directors and projects, so I I 57 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,360 am glad to kind of be out of of that world too. 58 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,880 Here's my thing with Lanthimos, and this is not true of every 59 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,440 director, but this is kind of like my logic when it comes to 60 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,480 watching his work. When he is cynical, I find that 61 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,360 there is a lot of realism there. And then when he brings a levity 62 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,480 to it, I'm thinking like, this is a masterpiece. 63 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,840 When it comes to like The Lobster and The Favorite, when 64 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,640 he's optimistic, which is rare, this is a pivot for him in Poor 65 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Things. I think I like being in Poor 66 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,160 Things in this world more than any of his other movies because 67 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,120 it is so elevated in such bizarre, absurd fun. 68 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,800 You know, cotton candy colored ways, pastel filled colored 69 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,240 ways, like costume designs, excellent makeup, hair design, 70 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,280 excellent production design. Wild. 71 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,960 It's such an Immaculate cinematic experience. 72 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,080 But narratively, Poor Things is such a strong pivot for him. 73 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,760 Because when he gives me a little bit of optimism, I feel 74 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,880 the artifice. And then I start thinking, what 75 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,680 are you really doing here? Because this is him trying to be 76 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,240 commercial and it's still successful. 77 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,880 That's not a hit or a critique on him. 78 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,880 It's just an observation. But I agree with you, when I'm 79 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,800 in Killing of a Sacred Deer for too long or I'm in Dog Tooth for 80 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,200 too long, those are very upsetting, disturbing movies. 81 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,280 You know what I mean? I don't totally love that tone. 82 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,880 And it can be repetitive too, because the pace in his movies 83 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,200 has always been a massive issue for him, at least in my opinion. 84 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,760 So yeah, I think Poor Things is the easiest watch. 85 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,720 So I'm interested to deep dive this one today to see how he's 86 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,160 how he's changing as a film maker or to see if this is more 87 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,720 of a one off. And also to see if the way that 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,520 people have been intellectualizing this film for 89 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,400 better and for worse, has helped the movie's legacy or hurt the 90 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,840 movie's legacy. Because the reasons I feel Poor 91 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:11,800 Things is special, I I don't find a lot of people who love 92 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,960 this movie finding similarities in what I think is special about 93 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,240 it or people who hate it. I don't find myself kind of 94 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,120 connecting or crossing over with those groups. 95 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,320 So I'll be interested to pick your brain about what you love 96 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,880 about this movie. Luckily, it still captures all 97 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,960 the things I love about him, which is like, he's so funnily 98 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,640 anachronistic, eccentric, strange, yeah, narratively 99 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,160 surreal. Sometimes he has sharp social 100 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,440 commentaries about what you were saying about monogamy or 101 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,200 domestic lives and constructs. Ultimately, even though I think 102 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,480 the Favorite is probably his most genre accessible movie, I 103 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,080 think that the Poor Things of it all in terms of the narrative 104 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,680 and the femme Frankenstein of it all is conventional and as far 105 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,840 as just audiences being aware of this type of storytelling and 106 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:55,920 this kind of character journey that Bella Baxter goes on. 107 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,120 So these two movies I think are what he's going to be to be 108 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,480 known for essentially at this point in his career. 109 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,520 They're his biggest blow UPS commercially. 110 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,760 I think critically, they're his most successful movies as well. 111 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,160 But I am really excited to talk more in depth about Poor Things 112 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,440 today because I know we already did a 45 minute discussion on it 113 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,680 about a year ago now. But now that we've had some time 114 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,120 away from it, I'm curious if you liked it more or less this time. 115 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,200 Around yeah, I think it's really interesting because it's not a 116 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,640 movie that is completely settled, but there was so much 117 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,080 discourse around it and we got to see like so many interviews 118 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,120 and thoughts because it was such a prominent like force at the 119 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,320 the Oscars, right? Like it was nominated for so 120 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,680 many awards, won so many awards and was getting a lot of 121 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,280 attention. And I definitely don't think 122 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:45,320 it's as like, radical as some people, like, were saying at the 123 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,040 time. And, you know, you, you also 124 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,880 don't know how much of that is just like pushing for the awards 125 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,480 race. But also if we're just, like, 126 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,680 looking at the text, too, of what it seems to put forward, it 127 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,680 doesn't feel as like radical as it thinks it might be. 128 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,160 But at the same time, like it is a film that should be 129 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,440 celebrated, definitely deserves extra credit and that we don't 130 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,520 really have anything like it. Like, Yorgos is a really unique 131 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,840 filmmaker. And so I am glad that Poor 132 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,560 Things was so celebrated. Yeah. 133 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:17,960 Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a really great point. 134 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,160 We really don't have anything that is this overtly like I'm a 135 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,480 metaphor, like this is all allegory. 136 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,320 Here's this like picturesque cotton candied odyssey of a 137 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,320 femme Frankenstein. I think that's a really smart 138 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,200 cinematic adaptation of a very challenging, difficult to kind 139 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,480 of cinematically imagine and visualize Alistair Gray novel. 140 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,840 And that novel is, you know, people who love that book. 141 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,800 I've not read it, but people have said it's excellent, maybe 142 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,280 even better than the the screenplay story of Poor Things, 143 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,920 the movie, which I'll kind of give voice to those, you know, 144 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,720 the fans of the novel later in this episode. 145 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,400 Yeah, I was also looking at that too because I read the about the 146 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,800 end of the novel because I don't have time to read the full novel 147 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,840 and I was interested in the way that the novel actually ended. 148 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,280 And I think I may like to see that more so. 149 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Well, I definitely want to talk to you about that too. 150 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Well, I think one of the reasons he changed it, and I don't want 151 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,920 to step on that yet. So we'll get to that when we hit 152 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,960 the deep dive. That's Patreon exclusive only. 153 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,920 But poor things ultimately, I think I said it a second ago, is 154 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,120 just a very commercial film narratively, right? 155 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,440 It's his least pushy movie to me. 156 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,040 And I I don't think that's a criticism necessarily because 157 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,560 that's just the way the industry works and operates. 158 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,840 We can critique what the story struggles with from the 159 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,600 perspective of looking at it as trying to like speak to everyone 160 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,799 that it knows is going to be in that audience because it 161 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,400 definitely is speaking to a very specific demographic that went 162 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,640 and went to see this movie and made $100 million last year. 163 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,200 So yeah, I'm excited to revisit this. 164 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,440 I'm excited to deep dive it. I think it's really unique to 165 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:52,360 see a mid tier budget film have this big of you know, this big 166 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,400 of an impact on pop culture. Last year, I think everybody 167 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,280 seemed to know about this movie around our age film Twitter 168 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,400 loved it, Letterboxed loved it, the awards loved it. 169 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,720 So it was a really big deal. And I also don't want to reduce 170 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,240 what it is doing in terms of its themes. 171 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,600 Like on our first episode talking about it on that 172 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,160 passages poor things double feature we did, which I thought 173 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,840 was a lot of fun about power dynamics and what not. 174 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,640 We talked about how this movie, it explores, even if lightly, it 175 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,400 does explore exposing sexual repression because of patriarchy 176 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,400 or religion. And the movie highlights 177 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,600 restrictions on women's bodily autonomy. 178 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,000 And there are many thoughts on women's agency and liberation in 179 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,240 the film. And what we talked about on that 180 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,960 episode was that a lot of those ideas were in the text, but they 181 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,240 were in the text through like, dialogue or through like leftist 182 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:44,960 iconography, like images. And so a lot of the ideas that 183 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,960 were said aloud or shown in the movie felt secondary to the 184 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,840 world building and really just this journey of Bella navigating 185 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,880 these expectations of men around her. 186 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Yeah. Which is interesting because a 187 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,520 lot of people took those ideas that were talked about or shown 188 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,120 and we're like, this is what the movie's about. 189 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,800 Right when it didn't, I don't know if the movie fully explored 190 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,480 every idea that it like talked about. 191 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,800 And exactly. Yeah, I, I think the, the 192 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,520 movie's interestingly about the the men that she comes into 193 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,960 contact with. And it is focusing on how 194 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,400 behavior is like created through environment. 195 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,120 It's focused on like socialization, right? 196 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,000 It's focused on constructs and how Bella is constrained like in 197 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,280 all these different scenarios. And it's kind of, you know, like 198 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,400 a a fairy tale where she is like meeting all these different 199 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,160 people or like a video game. Honestly, sometimes it feels 200 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,160 like right where she's learning something new or pushing up 201 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,280 against like a boundary. But I, I, I think that it's 202 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,120 fascinating because the, the story, which I didn't really 203 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,640 hear it, it talked about as much like it was, it is focused on 204 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,400 Bella's point of view, but at the same time, it's mostly 205 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,880 focused on how the men are reacting to her, not conforming 206 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,160 to what they expect. And so I, I definitely want to 207 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,160 talk more about that today. Yeah, I think the discourse 208 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,840 around poor things is there's a wide range of feelings people 209 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,720 had about the movie. I think in 2023, filmgoers seem 210 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,840 to have thought, wow, poor things. 211 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,280 You know, if you if you loved it, this is a feminist, 212 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,920 socialist allegory. And Lanthimos they may have 213 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,760 looked at as this political filmmaker and he provokes 214 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,560 politically, but I think the idea of poor things being 215 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:30,400 feminist or socialist is something that never sat right 216 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,360 with me totally, because I don't know if that's necessarily true. 217 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,400 Not that it doesn't have messages or ideas that are 218 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,680 feminist or, you know, politically to the left, but I 219 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:45,040 do think his movie and him as a film maker and storyteller have 220 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,600 been sort of misidentified as provocative political film 221 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,480 makers. I think he's way more into 222 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,200 socialization, as you just said. I think he's way more into like, 223 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,280 you know, the kind of the facade of modern civilization, how 224 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,000 we're all kind of constrained by our constructs or empowered by 225 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,160 them in certain cases. And so I think Poor Things was 226 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,560 really commercially interesting again, how it kind of used 227 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,520 leftist words and images to satisfy its audience. 228 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,680 Like an audience who has, you know, in this audience has been 229 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:17,320 very vocal about it, like been wanting more politically 230 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,840 provocative movies and not be left to watch mainstream films 231 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,920 that are apolitical or highly like conservative movies. 232 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,880 Like we don't have a lot of counterculture or radical films, 233 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,720 especially in our country like the United States in mainstream 234 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,600 in in cinemas today. And so, you know, to be fair to 235 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,840 poor things, it's just cool to have a movie that's talking 236 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,120 about these ideas allowed. But it is far more about 237 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,160 constructs and agency than anything. 238 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,760 Yeah, about class or. Socialism that's like and. 239 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,800 Even when it's there, it feels uncomfortable a little bit. 240 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,320 Because it doesn't. Because it's not fully exploring 241 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,360 an idea and it's still existing within like the capitalist, you 242 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,640 know, system that is in Bellas world. 243 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,560 Yeah, and. It's not really like pushing up 244 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:57,920 against that especially. We'll talk about the end. 245 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:03,080 But I think that, you know, you made a great observation when we 246 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,080 were, I can't remember if you said this on our previous pod 247 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,320 where we just kind of like gave our non spoiler thoughts, but 248 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,880 that you compare him to more of like a Wes Anderson. 249 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,600 And it's not to diminish his filmmaking, obviously, Yeah. 250 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,280 Less of a Jordan Peele, more of a Wes. 251 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,080 Yeah, like obviously there's still provocation in what Wes 252 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:26,320 Anderson's doing or like what Inyorgos is doing, but it's but 253 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,880 I do think you're right, like in conversations and in pieces a 254 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,360 lot, I do see a kind of framing of him as a, a political film 255 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,920 maker, specifically with poor things. 256 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,280 And I think you're right, he does learn more towards the 257 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,600 West, right? He he feels a little bit more 258 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,880 like hands off. And and that's not a a bad 259 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,640 thing, but it's just like different than how people are 260 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,960 talking about him. Because I think that when you do 261 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,840 go for something like Jordan Peele doesn't Nope. 262 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,480 Then there are different stakes to it. 263 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,080 And so I think some of my criticisms might be in the vein 264 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,600 of of that because it feels like. 265 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:04,240 Totally. I get. 266 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,720 That he's not going all the way with something. 267 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,520 Yeah. It's like, and it's there's a 268 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,480 safety in that that feels like. I feel it the most in poor 269 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:13,200 things. Yes. 270 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,600 And I think it's fascinating that like he was able to kind of 271 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:21,480 monetize in this audiences demand for a movie that just 272 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,360 talked about sex, talked about labor or class, talked about 273 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,360 capitalism versus socialism. And then he was like, how can I 274 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,840 do that? But like not in too much of an 275 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,400 exploitative way, but still get people in the audiences to feel 276 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,480 like they watch something intellectually stimulating and 277 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,160 provocative that can stir questions or conversations, 278 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,440 which I do think he was successful in doing. 279 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,120 I just don't think he hoped people would be, like, using all 280 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,800 that language to then try to discuss the movie's text. 281 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,200 I think he was hoping they would just discuss those ideas, if 282 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,000 that makes sense. Yeah. 283 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,000 Because the movie is really just about again, this, you know, I 284 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,960 guess we haven't said it, but like baby brained woman who goes 285 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,320 through like this very fast evolution through a few months 286 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,840 of growing like 25 years intellectually, emotionally, 287 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,920 psychologically, and then kind of never being conditioned by 288 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,400 the this altered reality patriarchy that we see before us 289 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,600 across all these different places we go to in the film. 290 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,920 And he was hoping, I think that people would just run with that 291 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,040 and being like a successful Ben Frankenstein, if you will, verse 292 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,320 people being like, how well is, you know, how socialist is this 293 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,160 movie, like how feminist is. This like I don't think he wants 294 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,600 that like total read, but at the same time like it there is. 295 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,560 But he's he's. Using that there that are fair 296 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,440 to criticize right, So that'll be. 297 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,640 Interesting to talk. About I'm so excited to also get 298 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,680 into the performances of this movie today. 299 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,240 Like we have seen things that we have never seen from. 300 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,720 I think Emma Stone, obviously there are elements of her 301 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,320 performance we have seen before, but this is like something 302 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,240 totally new. So especially with Ruffalo as 303 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,360 well and a lot of actors that I don't think maybe mainstream 304 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,000 audiences have seen before. But we have known, you know, 305 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,240 have been really doing great performances in low budget 306 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,840 movies and independent movies. Yeah. 307 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,240 And I'm just pumped to talk about like the production 308 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,840 design, the costumes, the the performances and everyone who 309 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,600 really created this world because it is really special. 310 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,040 And Emma Stone, who is who is working in an industry that 311 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,240 obviously still like dominated by men and is predominantly like 312 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,520 has been sexist to women. And so Emma Stone becoming this 313 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,160 major name in this industry, now an executive producer like on 314 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,720 this film has her own production company is funding movies this 315 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,960 year that just came out like Problemista and I saw the TV 316 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,320 glow. So her career is also popping 317 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,800 off at the same time of poor things blowing up in this past 318 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,440 year. So I'm really excited to talk 319 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,000 more about her career. I think we can, we should 320 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,400 probably talk about, you know, her trajectory, her trajectory 321 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,840 as this kind of character actor to now star, to now producer and 322 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,200 head of a production company. Yeah, at the beginning of the 323 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,760 movie. I think when we start today's 324 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,200 episode, I think that be most interesting. 325 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,320 I don't wanna wait till the end because at the end I'd like to 326 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,120 maybe look at her work and talk about our favorite movies of her 327 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,440 career. But we are in the La La land 328 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,400 hive. Yes, we are annoying and we 329 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,560 won't shut up LA. La Land Watch. 330 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,400 What is it? There's always like different 331 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,440 means of like those La La Land. The fans are annoying as shit 332 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,839 and that's us and I don't really care like she's Mia to me like I 333 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,720 and they're sad is Ryan Gosling like that's who they are, and so 334 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,000 I am really excited to talk about her today. 335 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,800 She's one of the most incredibly bold and weird and silly and fun 336 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,040 and just highly entertaining actors that we have. 337 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,760 She's basically a comedy, a comedic actor who's like went 338 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,560 from comedies to now serious dramas to now just pure 339 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,960 absurdism. Like she only on her upcoming 340 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,040 movie, she only has Yorgos and Ari Astor. 341 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,520 That's all that's coming out for her right now in that TV show 342 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:44,960 she's doing. She did. 343 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,920 I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, I haven't. 344 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,200 I watched the first episode and it's not your kind of. 345 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,880 That's Nathan Fielder. It's cringe humor. 346 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,360 Nathan Fielder, Yeah, but not my thing. 347 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,440 But I will watch it. I know I need to. 348 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,520 I just struggle to, I struggle at any kind of like 349 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,280 intentionally cringe humor. The curse, yeah. 350 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,200 The curse yeah, so I will definitely check that out 351 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,560 because it is Emma Stone. All right, so our episode today 352 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,880 is exclusively on Patreon. 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More things with us. 400 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,240 You can stream this on Hulu, so probably Disney Plus in other 401 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,640 countries and maybe in ours as well. 402 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,240 And then you can rent this on VOD if you'd like. 403 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,040 We purchased the Blu-ray, which is expensive because all new 404 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,840 release blue Blu rays are pretty expensive. 405 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,760 But I do recommend it because it is a beautiful case. 406 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,120 Yeah, just the artwork, the art design in the in the the cover 407 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,080 on the on the Blu-ray, but also like the title card of this 408 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,600 movie when it opens and then when it closes, just the 409 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,440 artistic design of this film is beautiful. 410 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,160 Yeah. I love it so much All right, you 411 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:43,440 ready? I. 412 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,240 AM. OK, and play. 413 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:52,440 We'll start the movie. 321 play All Right, So Poor Things is a 414 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,320 2023 film directed by Yorgos Lanthimos and written by Tony 415 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,560 McNamara. Based on the 1992 novel by 416 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,760 Aleister Gray. This stars Emma Stone, Mark 417 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:09,480 Ruffalo as Duncan Whatabun, William Dafoe as God, our Lord 418 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,800 and Savior, Rami Youssef, Christopher Abbott, Gerard 419 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,360 Carmichael, among many other actors who are excellent in this 420 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:18,040 film. This is a multi genre absurdist 421 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,400 allegory with its Victorian steampunk, you know, world. 422 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,720 It's amazing and it won some Oscars. 423 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,200 It was nominated for a lot of them. 424 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,840 I know Emma Stone won famously. Costume won makeup, one 425 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,240 hairstyle and then production design, I believe. 426 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:39,200 Yeah, those are the main ones. As for the novel, So this 427 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,760 McNamara script is loosely adapted from the 92 novel of the 428 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,920 same name. It's thematically similar to 429 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,320 Lanthimosa's past films that try to tackle the absurd kind of 430 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,760 contradictions of constructs with silly and vulgar word play. 431 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,240 And the movie kind of takes this refreshing detour towards 432 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,160 something more imaginative. With it being a movie, obviously 433 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,320 it can do that. So it's a vivid, it's pastel 434 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,040 filled, there's quirky dialogue that's delivered in very odd 435 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,560 ways with wonderful production design. 436 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,280 Now, like most adaptations, lovers of the novel were 437 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,520 understandably pissed off by this movie. 438 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,360 That does happen quite a lot, but especially this film, 439 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:22,280 because this is a movie very much made for politically 440 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,720 curious people and politically curious people who read novels 441 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,960 or or fiction pretty frequently. When movies are adapted from 442 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,600 those novels, they tend to like, want to go see those opening 443 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,800 nights to be like, how smart did you make this? 444 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,040 Because the book is like, very, very smart. 445 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,000 So from what I understand 'cause I have not read the book, the 446 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,440 movie obviously expedites a lot of the novel's ideas and makes 447 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,920 most of the characters but pretty 2 dimensional and lacking 448 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,480 a lot of dynamics that they might may have had in the book. 449 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,000 I want to read the book a lot now because apparently the book 450 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,960 goes way more into like class based hierarchy economically, 451 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,760 emotionally, intellectually and also how people's this society 452 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,680 that Aleister Gray created. In this book, everyone's lives 453 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,760 are built on insecurities, and the book goes to great lengths 454 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,320 to kind of depict the failure of institutions and has a lot of 455 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,840 big ideas about those institutions and the more formal 456 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,960 ones as a reason for why people are so cruel to one another. 457 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,960 And I think a lot of the book readers, from what I gather, 458 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,760 were frustrated with the film because it's so much. 459 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,400 I guess the movie has this ethos of people are just violent and 460 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,120 the world is sort of fucked. And so the best thing we can do 461 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,080 is look at ourselves and see what we can do individually and 462 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,960 looking for our own independence and maybe bring some other kind 463 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,000 of weirdos along with us who are also nice people. 464 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,320 And we can't really try to collectively change society. 465 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,760 So we have to do this kind of like anarchist, libertarian 466 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,760 thing of cratering our own, kind of like commune in the backyard 467 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,760 of God's house. Your own bubble, yeah. 468 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,880 Right, your own bubble sort of. So it seems like a lot of people 469 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,360 are frustrated that Bella wasn't making as many systemic changes 470 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,720 in the movie as she was able to do in the novel, where she was 471 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,800 able to kind of like reform the the brothel or become like a a 472 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,120 doctor, not just a scientist who studies anatomy, but like 473 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,080 somebody who's works in an abortion clinic apparently at 474 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,480 the end of the book. And so some things were pulled 475 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,160 out of the novel and, and, you know, depicted in the movie and 476 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,400 a lot more kind of expedited ways that were a lot less 477 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,120 interesting to the readers. Yeah, and book readers, you can 478 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:29,840 let us know. But it did seem like there were 479 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,600 in the book a lot more attempts from Bella to try to address 480 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,200 systems. And it was less like neatly tied 481 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,800 like a bow as the movie felt at the end. 482 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,600 And it was kind of one of our when we were walking out of of 483 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,920 the screening originally, we were like, huh, That was like so 484 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,600 sentimental from Yorgos, that was. 485 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,080 Without even knowing anything about about the novel, you're 486 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,720 like, huh, that really lacks some nuance or some interesting 487 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,520 things they could have added. But I mean, the novel, I guess 488 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,240 ends with her being this like revolutionary figure where I 489 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,400 think what we picked up on without even knowing the kind of 490 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,640 novel versus movie discourse was like, oh, Bella becomes kind of 491 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,760 self interested at the end and I'm like happy for her. 492 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,160 Like it's not exactly like condescending girl power. 493 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,000 Like, does that make sense? It's not like that necessarily. 494 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320 I don't think it is meaning somebody can think that and let 495 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,200 us know. But she did create this kind of 496 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,160 like utopian bubble, and she's studied, she's studying anatomy 497 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,920 and becoming her own God in the movie, which is funny and 498 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,360 interesting. And I think you could even look 499 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,840 at that as kind of in the land, the most cynical lane, which is 500 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,040 that society ultimately is not going to work. 501 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,400 And So what we need to do is just like hang out with our 502 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,480 closest friends and help as many people as we can and maybe take 503 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,320 the brains of the worst men we know and try to shape those as 504 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,400 best we can, which is turning him into a goat. 505 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,680 And so if that's the take away, I think that's funny. 506 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,240 And I think the movie does capture the nuanced kind of 507 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,680 aspiration and optimism of the Bella character enough. 508 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,000 Like I think she does say pretty explicitly a lot in the movie. 509 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,480 Like I do want to make like systemic change, but that is 510 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,680 something she's saying. Quite the world can be improved. 511 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,160 Yeah, you're going to hear a lot of bad like me trying to do 512 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,080 Bella today. So I. 513 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,240 Apologize. Or, or really Mark Ruffalo, 514 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,960 because I love what Duncan Whataburn's up to. 515 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,200 Or at least his performance is Duncan Whataburn. 516 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,240 Mark Ruffalo's up to yeah. But yeah, like Bella being this 517 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,800 radical world changing person, that does suck that that's kind 518 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,440 of missed from the novel. And I guess the novel takes 519 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,960 place in in Scotland, I believe too, and they took that out of 520 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,200 it. And so that that takes away a 521 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,640 lot of that kind of Scotland socialism that the book was so 522 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,760 fascinated by because of the dynamics there at that time too. 523 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,480 And that time that Alistair Grey was speaking about and how it's 524 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,200 affected the contemporary world today, or at least in 1992 when 525 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,520 he wrote the book. And so your ghost kind of 526 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,640 simplifies a lot of those things by putting her in like, 527 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,240 convenient places. He puts Bella Baxter in a lot of 528 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,480 uncomplicated, sorry, a lot of complicated scenarios, and then 529 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,040 comes out of it in uncomplicated, absurd, bizarre, 530 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,160 funny ways. Yes. 531 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,040 Does that make sense? Yeah, and those were like most 532 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,280 of the criticisms that I was writing down as I was rewatching 533 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,120 the movie. I kind of voiced them on our 534 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,960 first Poor Things episode, but now I have them more like 535 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,040 flushed out with the specific scenes like that. 536 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,360 I was like, I don't know that this completely captured what 537 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,200 you were going for. And it's, it's interesting 538 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,760 because you are able to actually see what he is going for because 539 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,320 of what you're talking about earlier, the simplicity of the 540 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,000 dialogue and how straightforward it is. 541 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,800 But yeah, I, I guess like I, I do love this movie, but at the 542 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,520 end it does feel like, well, if it's already a fable and it's 543 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,680 already, you know, an adaptation of a book and you're already 544 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,280 changing it, why not like go for it? 545 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,200 It feels like we're like going full steam ahead for Bella to 546 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,880 want to try to change things. And so because it's already so 547 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,800 heightened and in this made-up world, it would be interesting 548 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,000 to see her actually like, do something with that instead of 549 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,480 just living in God's house and like, reading. 550 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,720 Yes. No, I mean, I totally agree. 551 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,240 I think that this is more what we're talking about probably and 552 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,120 what book readers are frustrated by, which is just like maybe we 553 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,520 have cynically just accepted, I don't think accepted where we 554 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,560 call movies out on their shit. But like the the problem of 555 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,800 studio filmmaking. As these indie film makers who 556 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,160 want to change genres, make unconventional art, come into 557 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,480 the kind of like commercial aspects of this industry, 558 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,480 realize what they have to sacrifice in order to get the 559 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,240 kind of stories that they think need to be told to the public. 560 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,720 They have to kind of maybe sacrifice some of their politics 561 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,320 or morals or ethics, whatever. And so that's just the reality, 562 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,160 I think a lot for film makers who are trying to expand their 563 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,320 power in this space. Wes Anderson's Great Grand 564 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,240 Budapest Hotel is a movie that I cite a lot as the best example 565 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,320 of that, of a filmmaker who is making satires about suburbia 566 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,920 who then transforms into something else and then almost 567 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,680 depoliticizes a lot of his work. And then he kind of comes back 568 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,080 to that kind of realization, I think, and Asteroid City, which 569 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,760 is why I think that's such a fascinating text. 570 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,360 But yeah, your ghost is poor things. 571 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,880 I think this is as commercials we'll see him in over the next 572 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,640 decade, I think. I bet kinds of kindness is 573 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,680 fucking weird. Well, I mean, I do remember 574 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,720 people saying out of reviews that that was closer to a dog 575 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,440 tooth. And you know, that was also his 576 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,920 project, that it was, I think, written by him, Right? 577 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,760 Yes. Actually. 578 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,600 Yes. So we are seeing him come 579 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,120 through a little bit more. I'm fascinated to watch kinds of 580 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,560 kindness I prefer for like Tony McNamara's humor and dialogue to 581 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,760 Jorgos. Yeah, interesting. 582 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,680 I know he writes it with him, but there's a lot of a lot of 583 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,920 the favorite and poor things that really hits in terms of 584 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,280 making the environment like a character and and also. 585 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,960 Hi, hello there, sorry for interrupting. 586 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,040 Yeah, thank you for listening so far and hopefully you are 587 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,920 enjoying the episode so far. I feel like maybe if you made it 588 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,520 this far. They got it this far, they're. 589 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,000 Having a good time? I mean, let's hope. 590 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,120 But to access our full conversation, you can go to the 591 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,520 description of this episode to join our Patreon community, the 592 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,560 Extra Credits Plus. 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