1 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:19,440 Music. Hello, welcome to the extra 2 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,440 credits plus of one of the most theatrical epics in the history 3 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,280 of movie making, Ridley Scott's Gladiator. 4 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,360 I'm Trey and I'm Kelsey. So we're back talking about 5 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,400 Ridley. We are. 6 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,320 This time with Gladiator, a massive Hollywood production, a 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,080 sword and sandals epic that reignites a genre to only make 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,640 worse movies than Gladiator over the next 20 years. 9 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:43,880 I guess we got some television out of. 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,040 It we did, I mean we got things like 300 out of it, which you 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,120 know, whatever. But we did get things I think 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,440 like Game of Thrones, you know, that are not directly, you know, 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,120 inspired by Gladiator. But definitely I think was 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,600 created because of the audience, you know, for stories like 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,680 Gladiator and also giving us more complicated figures like a 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,560 Commodus and getting away from the more simplified characters 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,520 or hero journeys of like Maximus and in that time period. 18 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,720 I think certainly Gladiator, the Lord of the Rings trilogy had 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,480 not only an inspiration aesthetically and stylistically 20 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,600 on Game of Thrones and now House of Dragon, but I think what 21 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,680 you're saying is right on. Like the funding of that 22 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,240 television show for the amount of money they had to invest in 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,080 it for, for HBO was and Warner Brothers was a lot. 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,840 So we're choosing to cover Gladiator right now because 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,000 Denzel Washington and Paul Mescal's Gladiator 2 comes out 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:37,960 in about two months. Yeah. 27 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:41,080 Stoked for that. And we've already, you know, 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,040 spoiled our October slate that those episodes are going to be 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,680 not really related to movies that are coming out right now. 30 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,800 Sort of, but not really. They were just listeners, voted 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,240 for those movies. And that's the ones we're doing, 32 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,760 which is Hereditary, Get Out and Rosemary's Baby. 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,600 Really excited for those. I don't want to spoil November's 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,800 Patreon ideas, but I will say the plan is to make it a Denzel 35 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,120 and Paul Meskel themed November. Yeah, I don't know if we'll do 36 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,160 any Ridley Scott movies in the next six months to a year just 37 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,520 because we've done so many over the past six months to a year, 38 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,280 but we will have a really fun next few months. 39 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,560 All right, so. And we will also be talking 40 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,360 about Ridley Scott's career with our special guests on the main 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,200 feed. Yes, we're going to be dropping 42 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,240 a pretty in depth Ridley Scott career conversation with a 43 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,760 second time guest, one of our favorite guests and I can't wait 44 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,560 to talk to that person. All right, so Gladiator released 45 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:42,000 in May 2000, I almost said 2020, the first best picture Oscar 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,600 winner of the 21st century. Yeah. 47 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,560 A movie that was regarded as an instant classic when it released 48 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,880 and a film that is sort of a historical epic, sort of a 49 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,080 spiritual journey epic. You can see its influences on 50 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,680 modern film today with like, Dune and Doom Part 2, for 51 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,280 example. Like Denia is a huge Ridley 52 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,960 Scott head. But I think we come back to 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,600 Gladiator not for the self seriousness of this movie. 54 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,200 So if you're here for that kind of conversation, you probably 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,320 won't love this deep time. Yeah. 56 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,440 We will not be talking about history in depth and 57 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,280 inaccuracies. We will not be talking about how 58 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,680 we love Maximus. And this is like, I don't know. 59 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,040 Or like, yeah, over praising Maximus and then also being like 60 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,640 here all the a historical bits about about gladiator. 61 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,400 Even as a history teacher, that sounds like my worst nightmare 62 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,720 to do that. I'm excited to talk about this 63 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,480 movie because it is such a hyper dramatic film. 64 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,600 It is like a Shakespearean drama with incredible world building, 65 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,280 great set pieces. And even though we might have 66 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,960 just said that about Maximus, I do really love the foil 67 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,520 character dynamic between Commodus and Maximus. 68 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,920 So that's what I come back to this movie for. 69 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,640 Yeah. And it's, you know, it's a very 70 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,720 simple story. It's kind of like a parable. 71 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,600 And in terms of having these two characters, and especially with 72 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,920 commodities, I think he's a little bit more complex, too. 73 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,880 But he is very like, straightforward in his kind of 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,680 character development and in the writing. 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:14,960 Yeah. There's a protagonist and 76 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,399 antagonist. Clear archetypes, right? 77 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,880 Yeah. But there is also kind of like 78 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,800 a, a knowingness that I, I'm not sure if it was intended, but 79 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,280 there is certainly like a melodramatic kind of playing 80 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:29,920 with the audience almost live theater aspect that you're 81 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,040 talking about. Like if you've ever seen a play 82 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,800 like a Shakespeare play in person, there is like a playing 83 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,880 with the audience of doing this like serious melodramatic speech 84 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,680 at times where you're you're really like almost engaging with 85 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,000 the idea that it's like theatrical and that it happens 86 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,880 in this movie. And I can't tell if there are 87 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,440 some sort of like intentional moments for like, let's just 88 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,920 embrace this really dramatic moment, you know, that would be 89 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:02,480 on a stage. Or if it's just something that, 90 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,560 as you know, we see this as like a time capsule of the 2000s, 91 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:08,120 right? In terms of like, more simple 92 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,480 storytelling that we now find like, sort of campy. 93 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,280 But I'm I still enjoy the movie. Right. 94 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,480 I love what you said though, like embrace and celebrate the 95 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,080 kind of performativity of what's going on in this film. 96 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,560 I I love that relationship to the movie. 97 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,360 Now saying and saying that if I was 30 years old and saw this in 98 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,080 2000, it would probably be Dune for me. 99 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,640 You know what I mean? So like it's a different 100 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,840 experience in a different era, but it is going to I think it 101 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:37,280 has lived on and I think it should live on in those that 102 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:40,360 tier of the great antiquity movies like a Ben Hur or a 103 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,320 Spartacus and Gladiator. It is is a sort of remake of a 104 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,440 1964 film called The Fall of the Roman Empire, which is lesser 105 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,760 seen, but it is a little bit different in terms of where it 106 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,680 takes the narrative. I think we're Gladiator differs 107 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,120 from those movies. And I do think where it differs 108 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,760 from a lot of maybe contemporary movies too, is it doesn't really 109 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,680 care about being historically accurate. 110 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:06,040 And I usually really, you know, and rightfully so, try to be 111 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,920 critical of movies that don't hold themselves to some type of 112 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,280 like, accountability or responsibility when it comes to 113 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:14,520 like, reshaping or remoulding history in movies because of 114 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,040 their role in pop culture. Since this isn't just an 115 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,880 artistic medium, it's also a commercial one. 116 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,480 And that influence it can have on people. 117 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,320 But this is also just Rome, you know what I mean? 118 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,480 And there isn't a lot of, like, contemporary stakes with the way 119 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,560 that Rome is represented here or the way the people are 120 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,920 represented in as far as like the movie just doing this like 121 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,280 Heroes journey with Maximus. Yeah. 122 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,240 If it over glorified Rome and over romanticized it, which it 123 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,680 does lean toward, and in the end, we can talk about maybe 124 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,360 that as a criticism, then it would become something else. 125 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,400 But luckily, Ridley Scott is like, I don't really care about 126 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,000 that. I care about Rome as an idea. 127 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,880 I care about these, you know, historical figures, whether they 128 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,120 were real or not, as ideas, as concepts. 129 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:54,440 Let's interrogate that. Let me bring back all these 130 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,840 ideas from Alien and Blade Runner about navigating our 131 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,800 mortality as humans and what we'll do to, like, immortalize 132 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,400 ourselves and reflecting on fate and legacy. 133 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,200 Those are all ideas in this film. 134 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,520 Is it a thematically ambitious Ridley Scott movie? 135 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,360 No, not at all, no. But it still has some ideas that 136 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,600 I think are pretty interesting. Yeah, I think he, you know, 137 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,960 continuously returns to the idea of like these men in power and 138 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,440 the fragility and also like just. 139 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:29,480 I think he has a an interest in deconstructing these narratives 140 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,960 around like greatness, right? And we talked about that in our 141 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,240 Napoleon podcast a lot. And he's almost doing the same 142 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,760 thing here with Commodus and even with Marcus Aurelius, 143 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,200 right? Like, so I think that's 144 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,160 interesting. But yeah, it is. 145 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,800 It's not like a Blade Runner level text that he is jumping 146 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,920 into or maybe like a covenant. But it is interesting. 147 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,920 Like he does come back to certain themes that he has been 148 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:58,200 interested in his work, like the idea of of in like Kingdom of 149 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,760 Heaven, this idea of like what are people fighting for exactly? 150 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,720 And wealth or the idea of religion that is obviously like 151 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,040 all throughout the Alien films and especially on Covenants, 152 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:15,080 almost like David and Shaw are just like a communist and 153 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,240 Maximus a. Much better version. 154 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,360 Of the. In our opinion, yeah. 155 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,360 I what's funny about Gladiator is I never thought we'd cover 156 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,960 this movie on the Patreon because we're so indifferent to 157 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,760 this genre. And I've always liked Gladiator. 158 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,280 This is the most I've ever liked it. 159 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,000 And rewatching it and prepping for it, I've always been pretty 160 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,799 lukewarm on this type of movie. But I've really gotten more into 161 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,640 it because of how much you recently got into. 162 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,520 It. Because you just saw it for the 163 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,320 first time a few months ago. Yeah. 164 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,640 OK. So I have a, a weird, I guess, 165 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,920 experience like as a millennial with Gladiator. 166 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,240 So I had obviously seen like stills. 167 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,000 Like I've seen pictures of Russell Crowe and his armor in 168 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,440 the Coliseum. Like I knew that Joaquin Phoenix 169 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,320 was in this you've. Probably heard the Are you not 170 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,360 entertained? Yeah, like I've heard the the 171 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,440 famous lines and I've seen clips of it, especially was on TV a 172 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,160 lot, obviously on rerun. So I've seen pieces of the 173 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,800 movie, but I've never really, like, sat down and watched the 174 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,200 full thing start to finish. So we went to see Napoleon last. 175 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,360 Was that last November now? It was, yes. 176 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,200 And we got home maybe at like 910, like pretty late. 177 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,440 And Troy was like, I'm going to bed and I was like, I'm going to 178 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,040 stay up until 3:00 AM and watch. Glad you're. 179 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,800 Like this really Scott guy? He's pretty good. 180 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,080 Let me check out his other epics. 181 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,160 I think I was in. I think I was interested because 182 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,560 so many people hated Napoleon. Good movie. 183 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,840 We thought it was a good movie. Yeah, we we like it. 184 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,160 We obviously understand its flaws, like, but I think it's it 185 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,040 is a fun addition to the Ridley Scott project of, again, like 186 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,800 what what I was talking about before him continuously looking 187 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,480 at figures like Wayland, right, Figures like Napoleon and 188 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,400 figures like Commodus. Like he is interested in these 189 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,640 men who hold so much power and the kind of like the pedestal 190 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,240 that they are put on in history. And it's so it's really 191 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,000 fascinating and how people come to his movies a lot of times 192 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:12,400 thinking like, oh, I'm going to watch historical epic. 193 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:16,360 That's going to be more, you know, like Braveheart or more 194 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:23,640 like, you know, some sort of like energetic positive, like 195 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:26,360 viewing of this historical figure, you know what I'm 196 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,320 saying, or learn something about history. 197 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,440 And that is not what Ridley Scott's trying to do. 198 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,680 Almost like ever, you know, like if you listen to him. 199 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:36,560 And I again, like there are issues sometimes if you're, if 200 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:40,120 you're misrepresenting history in a way that then does like 201 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,960 glorify those figures. But I think that in terms of, 202 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,360 like, historical accuracy, I always kind of give him a pass 203 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,920 because he is very clear about, like, this. 204 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,400 I'm not trying to make you think this guy was great or to like, 205 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,160 you know what I mean? Contribute to the history of 206 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,040 thinking that this this person was like, worthy of all this 207 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,640 power. And think about, like, 208 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,640 especially in this movie, we'll talk about, like, the idea of 209 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,000 how he thinks about, like, colonizing. 210 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,080 Right. And how Marcus Aurelius is like, 211 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,000 what? Yeah. 212 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,120 Yeah. So. 213 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,520 So it's not, again, it's not as like straightforward as maybe 214 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,520 like I don't think Gladiator deserves to be praised, but at 215 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,440 the same time for for its themes. 216 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,160 But at the same time, I think like Ridley Scott's one of the 217 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,920 only people who are doing this at a large scale commercially. 218 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:34,160 So anyway to, to like summarize my viewing of a Gladiator? 219 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,760 I first was like, OK, I saw Napoleon. 220 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,880 I really thought it was funny making fun of Napoleon. 221 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,240 And then people were like, I hated it. 222 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,960 I did not like it. It wasn't a good, essentially 223 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,320 historical epic, which they're going to. 224 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,520 See at the pyramids, that didn't happen. 225 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,320 Yeah, so then I was like, I got to watch Gladiator because I got 226 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,240 to see what comedist is all about. 227 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,880 And also obviously I love Joaquin Phoenix and just wanted 228 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,040 to see him on the screen a little bit more, even after the 229 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,720 the long time in Napoleon. But so. 230 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,720 Yeah, so I I watched Gladiator. I texted you at three you were 231 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,760 sleeping and I was like, that was great. 232 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:08,920 It was a. Surprise to wake up. 233 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,760 Too, Yeah. Because it's I thought it was 234 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,760 not going to be your vibe, but what do you think held you in it 235 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,560 the whole time? Because it is quite a long movie 236 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:18,400 and I think there are some pacing questions I'm going to 237 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,960 have for. You sure you know it? 238 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,920 It the reason that I was like because. 239 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,720 I think there's one. Obvious enjoying my my time with 240 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,560 it, even though I tend to to kind of check out in that slow 241 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:33,480 portion on rewatch of the the middle of the movie, right. 242 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,640 Yeah, yeah. The kind of rise and fall and 243 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,360 then rise again. Yes, Yeah. 244 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,120 And in that middle period of the movie, I was just, like, hanging 245 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,560 out, I think, and enjoying my time in the world. 246 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,680 I, like, appreciated how Ridley Scott kind of, like, created 247 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,760 different sequences. Like, there's one sequence where 248 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,000 Commodus is looking at this Coliseum, and it's kind of like 249 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,000 a miniature. And he puts a little figurine 250 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,760 inside the Coliseum. And then it transitions to like 251 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,920 basically, yeah, this overhead shot almost like the same thing 252 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,560 of this massive Coliseum in real life. 253 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,640 And all the people do look like little figurines that are all 254 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,960 like comedy, as little like play toys essentially as a ruler. 255 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,320 I I really like those kind of things were so fun. 256 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,880 And I enjoyed those pieces of editing and, and just like from 257 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,720 the the filmmaking side. And also I thought a lot of the 258 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,000 older kind of effects were just like fun, you know? 259 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,920 And so I, I think that I was my answer is like, while I don't 260 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,840 enjoy rewatching it all the time during that specific period, the 261 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,400 first time I saw it, even like like just recently, I enjoyed my 262 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,840 time in the world building. Like he does a lot of fun things 263 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,760 that we'll talk about today that are totally inaccurate, but I I 264 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,520 enjoyed. Yeah, I think it's incredibly 265 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,280 immersive and which is what you're getting AT and you know 266 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,840 it has a huge legacy in cinema because of its practical world 267 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,480 building with this early compositing of using early CGI 268 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,800 and digital work on the movie. As for the narrative, I think 269 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,880 the really self serious, you know, and rightfully so. 270 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,520 His family, spoiler alert was killed. 271 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,680 But self serious Maximus character study about honor and 272 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:23,200 redemption is a lot and it isn't that interesting. 273 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,480 And I think Russell Crowe at the center of these set pieces 274 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,560 featuring these like amalgamations of like famous 275 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,200 Roman battles or Colosseum fights are compelling. 276 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,240 But can you know, they're not always like a on rewatch you do 277 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,880 kind of you kind of are getting excited for what that next 278 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,920 exciting scene with like Joaquin Phoenix, Which I guess gets me 279 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,000 to my point, which is as much as this movie is remembered for 280 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,520 Russell Crowe and his, you know, Oscar and then Gladiator for 281 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,200 best picture and the set design in the costumes or Hans Zimmer 282 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,120 with the score to make it even more immersive. 283 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,320 The number one reason I come back to this film is Joaquin 284 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,880 Phoenix even over Ridley Scott. It's what he is up to in this 285 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,760 movie. He is so pouty. 286 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,240 He is so whiny. He's so innocent too. 287 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:15,360 Every time his lips like part to talk, just like in I'm so 288 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:20,320 excited to see like his his just small kind of like paper cut 289 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,080 reactions to everything his dad says and and how he's like 290 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,440 performing with the Senate. He is so good. 291 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,880 Like I you're watching a rewatching Joker, obviously, 292 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,480 because we're going to do that on the Patreon next. 293 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,920 And I was thinking like, is he my favorite actor? 294 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,880 Right, Yeah. I mean, he, he's one of the 295 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,360 best, right? He's one of the best of his 296 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,960 generation. We can certainly have a little 297 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,320 bit of that conversation today. We're going to be doing Joker in 298 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,920 a few days, so we might want to save a deeper Phoenix kind of 299 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,600 conversation for that. But we can look at his his 300 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,600 generation of actors like Leo and Christian Bale and Will 301 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,000 Smith and everyone else. Yeah, I mean that, but that's 302 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,480 ultimately what I come back to this movie for. 303 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,960 I come back to Joaquin and what he does with Commodus and making 304 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,080 this movie hilariously dramatic and also sadly dramatic. 305 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,000 And those conversations with his father. 306 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,760 Richard Harris is so good in this movie. 307 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,760 The ensemble cast is incredible in this film. 308 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,080 We'll get to everybody. But yeah, I mean, it's you know, 309 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,600 it's got it's got issues too, and we'll talk about those. 310 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,720 Like we said, it's got the pacing issues and then with the 311 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,520 a historical stuff, we can talk a little bit about that. 312 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,640 We're not going to like we said at the top, we're not going to 313 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,680 deep dive what's not historically accurate about this 314 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,960 movie. There's tons of like white dudes 315 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,360 on YouTube or Reddit just like pissed at this movie. 316 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,960 And, and my thing is like, if you think like the Roman era of 317 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,840 history is the greatest time to live in human history, like if 318 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,000 you're watching gladiator gladiator and you're like, yes, 319 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,480 Imperial Rome, this is where I want to be. 320 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,240 That's weird, right? That's a, that's a weird take. 321 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,320 And I think we should just say that more honestly, as a 322 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,560 society, we should just be like, that's odd. 323 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,360 That's a very strange thing that you want. 324 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,400 Yeah. And also with the whole, you 325 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,640 know, like trend, I mean, this has not just been in like this 326 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,520 specific like TikTok trend of like, how do you think about the 327 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,160 Roman Empire, right? That was something that was, 328 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,000 yeah. We were like growing up too. 329 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,359 People, like, often talked about, Oh yeah, Rome. 330 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,599 Like, I remember even like in middle school or high school or 331 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,599 something, people would be like, yeah, like the Roman Empire, 332 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,960 like when it was falling, people were getting tattoos. 333 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,839 Like what the. Plumbing there was crazy, like 334 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:28,480 there was plumbing other places before them. 335 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,680 It's like it's fine to also, you know, be interested in history, 336 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,000 but it's just like, don't make it your personality, you know, 337 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,960 to to correct people on Rome specifically. 338 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,200 Don't make your personality as you're talking to a history 339 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,400 teacher. And a social scientist, Yeah. 340 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:42,680 Yeah, I guess. Yeah. 341 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:43,280 For you. Yeah. 342 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,440 Anyways, so, you know, this actually might be a good time to 343 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,640 drop a quote I got from Ridley Scott. 344 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,840 The only quote I wrote down, I wrote he's wild on special 345 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,560 features on all of his Blu rays. And in this one, I only wrote 346 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,240 down one quote. I usually write down many, but 347 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,520 this one did it for me. Ridley Scott in the director's 348 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,160 commentary for Gladiator said, you know, some historians watch 349 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,640 this and said, hey, the Romans didn't do that. 350 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:16,360 And I said they do now. They're one day I'll also will 351 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:22,360 release maybe on Patreon because I I can't make it public, but I 352 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,480 often like while we're watching Ridley Scott movies, I'll like 353 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,040 do his voice to explain something insane that happens. 354 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,600 Yeah, my Scott's really bad. It's bad, but it's so fun 355 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,920 because if you listen to any of his commentaries like he did not 356 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,760 prepare them, he's just going off the cuff and he. 357 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,200 But he's way more thorough than other commentaries. 358 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,240 Oh, yeah. And he's not like it's weird 359 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,120 because obviously like he is pretentious and in a lot of 360 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:54,320 ways, but like he also there's a like non pretentious kind of 361 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,600 like transparency with him where he is willing to explain. 362 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,080 Like This is why I did this. This is why I thought this was 363 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,200 interesting. Does he get a little like red 364 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,560 buttony sometimes? Yeah, for sure. 365 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,600 But it's like, is he, does he have wine on the other side of 366 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,840 the screen? Like what's going on? 367 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,920 Definitely remember in, in Alien Covenant, they were talking 368 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,760 about like the, the whole design team, they were in a room like 369 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,440 working on this for months and months or like 5 people. 370 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,360 And they're like, we know that when Ridley would be coming to 371 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:27,760 see us that day because hour like an hour before a, a bucket 372 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,440 with ice and wine would show up. Like Ridley's coming in today. 373 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:37,040 But yeah, so he he enjoys, you know, his wine and his movies 374 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,680 obviously like he spends all like day on these things. 375 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,320 He gets obsessive and is working on projects constantly. 376 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,240 But anyway, when when he is talking during the gladiator 377 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,360 like sequences, it's very interesting to to hear him like 378 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:57,200 say, for example, when when Maximus is picking up like dirt, 379 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,360 he's like that could be this, you know, like. 380 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:01,800 Could mean that. But also, it could just be dirt. 381 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,240 Could just be. Dirt it looks good and that's 382 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,040 his thing he like and. That's a British accent. 383 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,760 That's our. That's our British. 384 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,360 For our British listeners, that's the best we can do 385 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:10,640 without. We apologize. 386 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,880 Totally. Being hateful, yeah. 387 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,400 Or disrespectful. I mean, not that our listeners 388 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,600 have ever reached out from Britain. 389 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,160 Being like, hey, you guys got to cut it with a British accent. 390 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,040 Every time we do it with Ridley, it's just targeted specifically. 391 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,120 It's just Ridley. I love Did I say that I was sick 392 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:28,000 yet? No. 393 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,520 OK, I'm sick. Just so everyone knows. 394 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,320 Today's episode gets a little bit loony. 395 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,920 Then that's he has a me on Sudafed. 396 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,720 All right, today's episode is exclusively on Patreon. 397 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,320 As always, our Patreon episodes are deep dives, but they're also 398 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,080 live commentaries. So we will be discussing 399 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,360 Gladiator while watching it. If you're on the main feed, 400 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:49,160 you're listening to a sample of this episode. 401 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,680 So if you want the full discussion, then you can go into 402 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,200 this episode show notes where you'll find the Patreon, the X 403 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,560 credits plus where you can subscribe to the living plus for 404 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,160 only $5. 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My signal I'm Lee shell. 414 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:35,800 Strength and on all right gladiator released in May of 415 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,640 2000, so obviously we didn't see this movie in theaters and I 416 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,400 still haven't I I wish theaters would like with gladiator 2 417 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,280 coming out. I wish gladiator the first movie 418 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,520 was like in AMC's right now or Alamos like why is it not there? 419 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,720 You know what I mean? I feel like more a lot of people 420 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,080 would go. Yeah, I mean, they're doing that 421 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,920 for like anniversaries, but it would make sense, especially 422 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,520 with like major franchises, to bring it back before Gladiator 423 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,880 2. We set it with Dune Part 2. 424 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,080 Like we wanted a Dune Part 1 Part 2 back-to-back, right? 425 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,440 Like set that up. Like why is that not a thing? 426 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,240 We'd pay big money for that anyways. 427 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,920 I was going to say that 2000 was the year that I, I actually saw 428 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:17,720 my first movie in theaters. I think it was one of the first 429 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,920 Pokémon theatrical releases. You know, one of the Pokémon, 430 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,080 the 1st movie or Pokémon 2000, whatever one that Ash Ketchum 431 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,040 just gets absolutely bodied in The one where he turns to stone. 432 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,480 Because I have a vivid memory of sitting in my seats, just 433 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,520 crying, sobbing, watching Pikachu, trying to revive this 434 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,480 man by shocking him. Do you remember this I? 435 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,400 Don't know if I remember that really exact one, but I did go 436 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,360 to the the theatrical release of like the little pikas like the 437 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,400 little pika Chi. Oh yes, but I forgot was that? 438 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,680 2000. It was around that time. 439 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,600 Yeah, but what I was going to say, the reason why I'm bringing 440 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,400 this up has nothing to the Gladiator. 441 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,600 Sorry for Gladiator. I just give me a minute. 442 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,760 My first real film that I saw in theaters. 443 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,120 Not that the Pokémon movies weren't real, but let's just say 444 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:10,040 like a traditional feature movie was Harry Potter and the 445 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,760 Sorcerer's Stone, which came out like a few months later, I 446 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,120 think, or Philosopher's Stone for our Brits out there, which 447 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,280 was a life changing experience. Yeah. 448 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,360 I'll save any thoughts about that for future pods. 449 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,680 What was your first movie in theaters? 450 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,400 That's a a beautiful first movie to see in theaters. 451 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,840 I don't know like. Thornberrys or. 452 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,280 Something I don't know, I I definitely like. 453 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,880 Rugrats go to Paris. Did that come out before the 454 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,240 Rugrats go wild? I have a very specific scratch 455 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:42,080 and sniff experience with the Rugrats gone wild or whatever it 456 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,840 is. OK, yeah, I did the same thing. 457 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,640 Where they sold like a scratch and sniff. 458 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,600 Yeah, well, I went to Regal, but and you at certain points in the 459 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,120 movie they would like show something on screen for you to 460 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,640 scratch off so you could smell what was happening on screen. 461 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,320 Theaters were doing big things back then, you know what I mean? 462 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,480 But but yeah, I guess so. It has to be something within 463 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,720 Rugrats universe. Yeah, I mean, luckily we, I 464 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,600 mean, as kids, we hadn't hit the franchise IP ification of kids 465 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,240 movies hitting theaters yet. Like Shrek came out in 2000, you 466 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,120 know, so like we hadn't really seen, you know, the franchises 467 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,400 for kids movies yet. So we still got to see like more 468 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,480 serious movies. Like I remember in 2001, a year 469 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,480 later now I'm tying Gladiator back into this. 470 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,120 My dad took me to Blockbuster and we rented Fellowship of the 471 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:33,080 Ring, which came out in 2001 and then Gladiator and we did a 472 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,320 back-to-back on a Sunday or something, a double feature of 473 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,120 those two epics. And my mind was blown that day 474 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,280 one because Ian Holmes, that's. A lot for one day. 475 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,000 Especially for somebody like it was like a 7 or 8 year old 476 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,760 because Ian Holmes's Bilbo Baggins jump scares you and 477 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,800 Fellowship of the Ring. So when I was growing up, I 478 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,720 thought of that movie as like a horror fantasy. 479 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,880 Yeah, it was terrifying. For me, I also thought of it as 480 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,280 scary when I was growing up. Yeah. 481 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,760 Well, it's an Odyssey level movie and it's like also has 482 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,840 it's like hyperdramatic moments, but it is it's got some the orcs 483 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,920 are kind of scary for kids. But what's funny about those two 484 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,640 movies is that now I don't like hard fantasy and I don't really 485 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,480 like hard history, but both of those movies happen to like be 486 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,520 some of the most important films of the 21st century. 487 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,720 And they left an impact on me because I remember sitting on 488 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,120 the living room floor watching them 6 for six hours straight. 489 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,000 So it's pretty, pretty crazy experience. 490 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,440 But I don't know if our generation has a big 491 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,280 relationship to Gladiator that much. 492 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,880 I mean, I think they have a really. 100 for sure. 493 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,960 Yeah, but I think Gladiator they do. 494 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,840 And like that was on TV, like it's a rewatchable movie for our 495 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,840 generation. So yeah, I don't. 496 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,760 You're right. It's a TNT, it's a dad movie for 497 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,520 sure. Yeah. 498 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,000 So like I, I think our generation kind of watched a lot 499 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,920 of those war historical epic kind of movies like Braveheart, 500 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,080 like The Patriot, those things that were on like TNT and 501 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,800 parents may have said like you should check this out or you 502 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,520 know what I mean, like gladiator type of movies were very 503 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,000 popular. Yeah, I mean, my biggest change 504 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,280 in my life watching Gladiator was when I was a kid. 505 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,440 I thought Joaquin Phoenix was so annoying in this film. 506 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,760 Interesting. And then when I got older, now 507 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,120 I'm like, oh. He's the main event. 508 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,240 Yeah, I'm, I'm not even here for Russell Crowe anymore. 509 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,840 All right, so Gladiator, the opening credits of Gladiator 510 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,560 looks really interesting. It has this like muted sepia 511 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,600 toned color palette that I think is effective in like evoking an 512 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,560 ancient history vibe. The text on the screen are all 513 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,280 kind of rendered in a golden bronze hue. 514 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,720 It's pretty immediately atmospheric and somber, really 515 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,480 aligning with the movie's themes. 516 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,680 The traditional ones about honor and loss and the fear of time 517 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,040 passing or the the more interesting ones about mortality 518 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,760 and trying to immortalize yourselves. 519 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,200 And, you know, common is trying to become his his father. 520 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,960 He wants to become a statue in a basement. 521 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,480 Like he wants to be remembered in that way. 522 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,440 He also wants to be remembered as a great man, quote UN quote. 523 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,600 And then Russell Crowe wants to to live on his farm with his 524 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,920 family. And then we get the opening 525 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,520 crawl. Or before we get the opening 526 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,160 text crawl, we get the Hans Zimmer music. 527 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,560 This is where we hear Lisa Gerard, the woman whose voice is 528 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,640 over the music. I don't want. 529 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,880 I don't know exactly how to explain what she's doing. 530 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,440 Yeah, over the music. But the kind of bellowing that 531 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,440 she's doing, OK. She's the same person who worked 532 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,320 on Dune. Wow, or Dune soundtrack that 533 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,240 makes sense. Makes a lot of sense, yeah. 534 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,720 So that's really cool. The opening text crawl, how do 535 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,640 you want to do this? Because I think our listeners 536 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,240 know we hate. These, yeah, I always, again, 537 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,920 like, I just can't read them. And in this movie in particular, 538 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,440 like, I appreciate that Ridley Scott put less on the screen, 539 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,640 right? It's not a whole paragraph. 540 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,760 But still even then I just have trouble reading it so fast 541 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,080 because of the pressure. We were watching the Directors 542 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,680 Cup Napoleon the other night and it was like in blue and red and 543 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,720 the time reading of it all they're. 544 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,200 Trying to make it like the the French flag, yeah. 545 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,760 And it felt kind of evil. Why am I being time? 546 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,200 It's like standardized testing. Yeah, I I do want to say that in 547 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,480 the special features there was like a whole team around 548 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,960 creating. I think we should just read the 549 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,280 opening credit and it's exactly, but I do want to say that I I 550 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,320 like how they ended up doing it here where it's like, you know, 551 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,280 just text and it seems like there's a kind of a fire and 552 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,360 smoke orange, right? That is kind of ominous, right, 553 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,920 because it feels like something is either like burning down or 554 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,040 you're about to like enter into some sort of, you know, pit of 555 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,200 fire. And so I, I like that kind of 556 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,200 thematically as we go into it, but yeah, it's true. 557 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,360 The religious, yeah, because, because you start out not really 558 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,680 knowing like who you're identifying with in terms of a 559 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,160 character. So I kind of like this more 560 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,440 ominous tone starting out, but there was a whole team behind 561 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,120 the the credits. They were going to do it a 562 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,240 different way where they actually like physically made a 563 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,680 miniature of zooming out over this field that looks like a 564 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,680 battlefield. And then they zoom, they zoom in 565 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,560 and you would see like built into the battlefield that 566 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,480 originally looked like from the bird's eye view, all these like 567 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,280 soldiers standing in formation. You would actually like zoom in 568 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,720 and kind of almost as if you're you're flying across the 569 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,760 landscape like a plane or something. 570 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:22,280 As you get closer, you would see the text that is that we do see 571 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,880 at the beginning, but it is basically like almost like 572 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,760 chiseled looking into a hillside into sand. 573 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,320 And they did that with actual like letter presses. 574 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,280 They like literally built it. That would be even more. 575 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,920 Hi, hello there, sorry for interrupting. 576 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,000 Yeah, thank you for listening so far and hopefully you are 577 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,440 enjoying Yeah, the episode so far. 578 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,480 I feel like maybe if you made it this far. 579 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,040 They got it this far, you're. Having a good time? 580 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,280 I mean, let's hope. But to access our full 581 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,360 conversation, you can go to the description of this episode to 582 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,720 join our Patreon community, the Extra Credits Plus. 583 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,880 Yes, and for only $5 a month you can get access to our full 584 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,320 catalog of Patreon exclusive episodes. 585 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,040 Hope to see you there.