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The Hello, welcome to the extra 
credits of the drama. 

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I'm Trey and. 
I'm Kelsey. 

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Zendaya, Robert Pattinson Two of
our movie star goats are here in

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a movie together. 
I feel grateful. 

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I love these two and I did go 
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this was going to be Notting 
Hill. 

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Me too, and that is my fault. 
Well, that was the marketing. 

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Also the marketing. 
And instead we get this, we got 

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a like a 24 romantic, dark, 
absurd, psychologically 

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subversive comedy that is very 
chaotic. 

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A movie that I think we both 
agree is very well made, has 2 

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great lead performances, is 
sometimes pretty interesting and

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thoughtful ways, and in messy 
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But we're kind of split on this 
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from the theater last night and 
some conversations we had off 

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Mike. 
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interesting 'cause I was hearing
similar conversations coming out

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of the movie. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I mean, normally like we don't 
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think we usually come out of the
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least like the same side of the 
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That's a good way to put it, 
yeah. 

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And so this is an interesting 
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hate it or anything, but I don't
know that I liked it like I 

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don't. 
It's fine. 

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I thought it was interesting. 
I know what you mean. 

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But I don't. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

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I'll. 
I'll figure out my thoughts 

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today. 
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the performances were amazing. 
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thought of the movie, like 
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just like killed it. 
Great chemistry. 

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performances were just so good. 
They're it was an unexpected 

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movie, right. 
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as you were saying, like we 
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ROM com. 
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Hugh Grant and Julia Roberts 
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And they sort of give us that in
the 1st 20 ish minutes. 

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Yeah. 
And I like that there were kind 

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of four movies in one movie 
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Yes, because I liked all of 
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But I kind of want to see two 
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Me too, I want to see them in in
a Notting Hill. 

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It's so funny. 
We're like, yeah, Materialists, 

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it's OK Challengers, it's great,
This movie pretty good. 

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But also can we just get like 
normal ROM coms that cost like 

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$20 million so that don't need 
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toned? 
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getting like original movies 
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though it has problems, it still
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see like Zendaya and Robert 
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Capital, Batman Capital, 
Twilight Capital, Dune, and I'm 

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going to take that and then make
the drama. 

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So that's pretty cool. 
I was so interested in them both

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like while I was watching it and
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very kind of like first third of
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I was like, oh wow, this is so 
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signed on to this. 
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like their conversations with 
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I think the. 
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then she brought him on and then
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Villeneuve for Dune 3. 
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that's how he met Zendaya. 
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didn't know if it was made-up, 
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post of him saying he had worked
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don't want to know what movies 
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The Lost City of Z and I forget 
the other ones. 

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There's a few. 
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I think that this movie is going
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I think it's going to stir some 
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be like a debated movie about 
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whether it's commentary is 
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going to get to today. 
We'll do a little bit of non 

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spoiler talk at the beginning 
here in spoiler talk for the 

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majority of the episode. 
But I want to compare this movie

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to not only the marketing but 
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two other a 24 movies that came 
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Materialists and Eddington. 
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unsuccessful commentary but 
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hit. 
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the drama like 25 mil and it 
made 100 which is a lot for an 

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A-24 movie. 
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cost about 2530 mil and then 
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but was maybe a far more 
ambitious commentary than 

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Materialist and then stirred 
conversations for like 5 months.

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Yeah. 
So which of those movies do you 

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think the is the drama going to 
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Somewhere in between the drama 
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really interesting movies to 
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think it has a lot of like 
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movies. 
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Materialists was kind of 
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but the whole kind of 
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like people are not 
understanding it as a romantic 

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drama. 
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either way. 
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dramatic. 
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boring and then unfortunately 
because we loved like past lives

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from Celine song. 
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went out to see it because they 
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romantic comedy, whatever. 
It was just a love triangle 

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between Dakota Johnson and Pedro
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So I think that's why it got, 
you know, people are obviously 

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like want more from this genre. 
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Yeah. 
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out in about a month and I saw. 
That the trailer. 

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The trailer. 
At the drama and I was like this

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looks pretty good like I I know 
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It looks cheesy, has all the 
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it looks like a Nancy Meyers 
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Yeah, I thought it looks like 
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But I'm OK to see movies that 

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are streaming films in theaters.
Like, what was the vacation one 

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that came out, the one that you 
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on Amazon Prime? 
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God, it was like the Harry Met 
Sally. 

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Oh, people, we meet on vacation.
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Like I maybe would have seen 
that in theaters. 

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I'll never watch it on 
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Does that make sense? 
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Went to it like 3 times and I 
could never do it. 

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Yeah but I I understand like I 
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comedy. 
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like a lot and it remind, I 
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like the Tuscany of it all is 
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that were made for TV of our 
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Like do you remember a lot of 
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woman, like going to Italy, Like
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So. 
We're just a big city, like made

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in Manhattan, like movies like 
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Yeah, but I, I, I like those 
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Me too. 
That's what I'm saying. 

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It would be kind of nice. 
Do I want to return to 2000s ROM

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coms? 
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can't even get like, like we're 
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We're getting the drama and I do
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make me think like I would have 
just liked I. 

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Also wanted to see Rob, Pat and 
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Yeah, yeah, I just want to see 
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And we could still make it like 
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We could still make it. 
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could still have a couple twists
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quippy. 
But it like to make it 

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interesting, you don't have to 
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this movie. 
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was one of the movies in. 
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remember the last time like 
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I was surprised, like truly 
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Unpredictable. 
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everything kind of in marketing 
because movies are dying, you 

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know, includes the plot or you 
like have such a sense from like

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if it's an Ari Astra movie, 
that's going to take a lot of 

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like wild turns. 
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appreciated just something like 
totally unexpected happening and

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I had, I had no idea. 
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Eddington because Eddington is 
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American culture and how violent
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And then it takes and it kind of
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You're like, how much of this is
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about a sad, fragile Joaquin 
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toward the end where something 
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shit, this movie just got. 
Pedro Pascal was in both of 

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those movies and. 
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drama kind of plays with that 
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interesting way because it's 
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about when it comes to like 
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spectacle and violence, which is
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I've got like taken off into, 

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you know, ROM com that was an. 
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Conversation, but I do think it 
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like Eddington, like it will be 
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the the movie or feel like one 
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And I yeah, we'll talk about it 
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But Eddington feels like a 
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movie to like talk about in. 
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right? 
It was. 

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More of a coherent through line.
Yeah, yeah. 

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Where here I think people will 
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like, I don't think they'll. 
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Like comfortable to talk about 

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this movie, which makes sense, 
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When you heard people coming out
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like Alana Himes character or do
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character? 
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didn't know how to feel, which 
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like, yeah, I did not like that 
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No, I I didn't hear them have 
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really interesting. 
Where it like usually I'll like 

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I usually wait in the hallway 
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before we go home. 
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hear, you know what people are 
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But there were like people who 
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too interesting. 
And then like in in this one 

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group, for example, the woman 
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to feel like I think I liked it.
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More like, is it OK that I like 
this or is it truly like I don't

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know if I did I? 
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I think it was like, I don't 
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Got it. 
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It was a confusing experience. 
Is that at least what I got from

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the tone? 
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there with was like, I did not 
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And then the other guy was like,
I fucking loved that. 

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And I was like, that is so 
interesting. 

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To be a lot of that, I think 

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it's going to be pretty 
polarizing. 

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I mean, I guess those are like, 
I mean, that's basically the the

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spectrum of how you can feel 
about anything. 

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But that really is like, yeah, I
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though particularly how people 
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Like, I don't, I don't know, 
like what my experience it was 

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like watching that movie for. 
Me, it was a really meta 

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experience. 
I'm excited to talk about that 

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and how we had different 
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start talking on the car ride 
home, I was like, we did watch 

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the movie really differently. 
Like I watched the movie The 

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entire film as a romantic 
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thriller. 
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which is interesting. 
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about as a. 
Thriller, but it's not the same.

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That is like a romantic comedy 
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Daniel Day Lewis's character, 
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almost character in that movie, 
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that with her interest in him. 
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basically deciding to poison him
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life. 
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like unconditional love and 
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Phantom Thread is is playing 
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in the storyline, but the kind 
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is that it is actually a 
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Once you like rewatch it and 
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This one is more like this is a 
romantic comedy. 

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There's a thriller heavy like 
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it as a romantic comedy like. 
I never once that's too spoiler 

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I'm not going to say that never 

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haven't seen this movie, we're 
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clear, non spoiler thoughts just
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because I do want this movie to 
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costs because you'll get more 
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But it's not as dark as people 
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they're sometimes thoughtfully 
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other ways, like contrarian ways
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commentary, even though I think 
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apologize, but I promise, like 
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movie, but you won't go. 
That felt like it. 

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It probably won't trigger you 
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There are triggering things, but
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I don't know, people are talking
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the most dramatic movie out 
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the commentary of the movie, 
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do anything. 
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which is about the commentary of
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know, the movie could veer into 
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Does toward the end it? 
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same time like it, it's not it. 
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whole time with that. 
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grappling with in real time and 
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the dilemma in real time as an 
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it's like a total feel bad 
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It's just in the end the the 
wedding is it's. 

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Dramatic. 
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OK, so quick housekeeping. 
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form content, TikTok, YouTube, 
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I've been very, you know, honest
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doing short form stuff. 
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pretentious, like why? 
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superficial to me, but I'm 
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and we are growing at a pretty 
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So you're doing a great job. 
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the the drama last night, then 
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And then over on Patreon, we got
a ton of episodes over there for

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obviously subscribers. 
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Interstellar, The Nice Guys, 
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is on there. 
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Challengers episode for Zendaya 
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Challengers, which I want to 
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that experience was like toward 
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have extra credit to give to 
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this episode, which I'm really 
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And how, you know, speaking to 
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smart ROM coms that are still 
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conventions, Challengers, is 
that like we just rewatched it 

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and we were like, holy shit, 
this is a 5 star sports movie 

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and romantic comedy movie and 
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Thriller clap at the end on our 
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We did, but I remember for the 
first time watching it getting 

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like, my eyes were tearing, but 
with excitement. 

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And when Zendaya is like looking
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I'm like, yeah. 
I think we both also like got 

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super teary eyed. 
That's what I said, yeah. 

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Oh, I thought you meant the 

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first time you watched it. 
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Not the first time, it's. 
Most recent time, yeah. 

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I thought that was interesting. 
We were. 

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More emerged connected. 
To the characters. 

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OK, so non spoiler pitch to go 
see this movie. 

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This is like how we've been 
saying a romantic comedy, 

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psychological thriller, sort of 
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wedding and between Zendaya and 
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And it's built around a very 
simple but very uncomfortable 

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question, which is what would 
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someone and fully commit to 
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and then you find out something 
about their past that just 

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completely rewires how you see 
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said. 
And the movie basically plays 

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from both Zendaya and 
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and shifts between them pretty 
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second, the second-half of the 
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of mostly stays in Pattinson's 
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I think so. 
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stunted time jumping place that 
I don't want to talk too much 

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about to the spoilers. 
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idea that Pattinson's character 
is not really contending with 

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something bad that his partner 
literally did. 

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It's something they almost did, 
something they considered doing.

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movie is constantly playing with
that distinction and what that 

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says about the characters, what 
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the film. 
And our audience last night was 

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a very reactive audience. 
So maybe there's some things we 

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can bring up from different 
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I think it says a lot about 
performance in relationships. 

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It says a lot about judgement in
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So I thought it was a pretty 
fascinating conceit and concept 

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at the center of like a ton of 
well executed ROM com and kind 

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of romantic thriller 
conventions. 

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So my non spoiler spoiler 
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could have just been a really 
effective cliche ROM com like we

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said at the top and it has 
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actually just like a really well
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honestly, which should be a 
blockbuster. 

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I I was really impressed by this
movie and I want people to go 

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see it. 
I didn't. 

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I won't say I loved it. 
I really really liked it though 

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and I respected it. 
I respected some of the swings, 

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even not all of them landed. 
Yeah, I I think people should go

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see it just because of like 
again, Sedan, Robert Pattinson, 

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it's just interesting like that 
they took this project and I do 

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think there is something 
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it. 
So it'll be out at the very 

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least. 
I I guess like talking to people

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after it, like who you go see it
with might be, I don't know, 

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just interesting to see how 
people viewed the movie. 

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Like we viewed it differently 
and we'll talk about today. 

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So yeah. 
But I mean, you, you explained 

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far better why people should go 
see it. 

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Like the tone, the the 
filmmaking. 

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Like it does have a lot of great
like ROM com editing in the 

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beginning. 
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the kind of like point of view, 
then it's something I want to 

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talk about today. 
Like I had a little bit of time 

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to to think about in terms of 
like how the movie was like 

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playing with the audience. 
Yeah, and some good just like 

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crafts people stuff going on 
here, like and also good 

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editing, very good jump cutting 
going on in here for comedic 

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timing, not necessarily horror. 
The film grain looks really 

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strong. 
I love the colours in this 

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movie. 
I don't know if you thought that

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while watching it like sitting 
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City. 
Like I was just like wowed by 

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the just the production design 
and the way the colours looked. 

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The costumes looked really good 
where everyone actually felt 

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like real peoples and Dan 
Pattinson are beautiful people 

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but they looked normal like you 
could actually be friends with 

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them versus. 
Like Dakota Johnson wearing all 

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these like more heightened. 
Materialistic world. 

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Yeah. 
So yeah, I honestly, I just like

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highly recommend it because I 
think it's going to be an 

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interesting movie to talk about 
for the next few months. 

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OK, spoiler, spoiler warning. 
This is going to be a heavy 

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spoiler conversation, so please 
leave if you have not seen the 

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movie. 
Kelsey. 

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Well, I would guess I was going 
to ask did you like the movie? 

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But I guess you already said we 
can just go rag us into more of 

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the plot. 
Yeah, I mean, but I don't, Yeah,

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I don't know, like I think. 
I feel like we should start with

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this conceit. 
Then before we even hit the 

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story, before we go to the meet 
queue, I feel like we should 

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just talk about what's really 
interesting about this movie, 

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which is it's like main conceit 
and what it hinges on. 

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Because otherwise, I think we're
going to be talking around it. 

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Yeah. 
Zendaya's character reveals that

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when she was a teenager, she 
planned a school shooting, and 

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she ultimately did not go 
through with it, but she planned

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it. 
She practiced it and she lived 

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in that mindset of a school 
shooter. 

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And we go through a lot of time 
jumps throughout the movie to 

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show that. 
And what's interestingly, like 

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what's interesting in the 
structure of this movie is that 

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does a smart escalation where we
get to watch these two 

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characters, Zendaya and 
Pattinson, fall in love with 

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each other. 
And then eventually we're in the

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present timeline, their wedding 
week, which is where the 

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majority of the movie. 
Stays. 

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Yeah. 
They're doing the food tasting, 

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yeah. 
Yeah. 

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And they're like, on their, you 
know, I think at one point 

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they're on their way home from 
the insane dance instructor 

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who's, like, an asshole. 
And they think they see their DJ

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doing heroin on the street. 
And that becomes a conversation 

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about whether or not to fire 
her. 

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And that scene then turns into 
this drunken dinner table debate

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with a couple of friends because
they're explaining all this to 

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them about whether, you know, 
everyone has done bad things and

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who should, like, be forgiven 
for doing bad things, depending 

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on what those bad things are. 
And it turns into this like, you

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know, the infamous confessional 
game of, like, hanging out with 

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other couples and getting too 
drunk with them, which is like 

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doing stupid card games like 
1:00 AM. 

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Like, that's basically what this
turns into. 

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And then saying something that 
you sort of regret. 

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And the scene starts off as a 
little bit funny, a little 

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casual, then starts to kind of 
like drag in pace purposely and 

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it starts to become a little 
awkward and it creates 

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attention. 
I know it was intentional. 

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I didn't. 
I still don't love how it was 

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paced, but I know that's a part 
of the the point. 

453
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And the groomsmen I think admits
to using his girlfriend at the 

454
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,560
time well. 
Alana Himes says like, first, 

455
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,360
let's all share what the worst 
thing we've ever done is. 

456
00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:18,440
And it's kind of like using her 
partner as like a way to 

457
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,040
jumpstart that. 
And because she's like tell them

458
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,200
and he doesn't want to tell 
them. 

459
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,640
And so he he's like, no, I'll 
just tell it. 

460
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,200
He uses like his ex-girlfriend 
as a a human shield. 

461
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,920
He says when a dog like a tries 
to attack them. 

462
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,880
I don't know if you can hear my 
cough, sorry. 

463
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,400
And then Ilana Heim like acts 
essentially as a hers is like 

464
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:52,040
equal that she locked a child 
when she was AI guess like a 

465
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:58,320
teenager or a child that she 
locked a child in a abandoned 

466
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,920
trailer closet and then left him
there all night in the. 

467
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,280
Middle of a forest or something?
Yeah. 

468
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,320
Yeah, And that he was like, 
screaming. 

469
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,720
And she got scared and ran away.
And then there's like a search 

470
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,440
party. 
His dad came to ask, you know, 

471
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,600
is he like, have you seen him 
because you were last with him? 

472
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,200
She lies. 
And then the next day, like, 

473
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,400
they find him, but he was there 
all night. 

474
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,280
And so you're like. 
And the day is like, well, if 

475
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,320
they didn't find him, would you 
have, like, told someone? 

476
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:29,760
And she's like, obviously, yeah.
Which in that moment, before we 

477
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,240
have anything else revealed, 
it's supposed to be like, she 

478
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,480
probably wouldn't have told 
anyone because then like if 

479
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,240
something bad had happened, then
she wouldn't like want because 

480
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,840
of her her idea of like running 
away or being fearful, then why 

481
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,960
would she like make the decision
to like tell someone? 

482
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,880
So like, I guess in the moment, 
the audience are like, Oh my 

483
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,960
God, that's like fucked up. 
So and it like purposely wants 

484
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:58,840
you to judge Alana Heim's story.
And then Rob Pattinson says if 

485
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,640
he like cyber bullied someone, 
but he's being so Robert 

486
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,600
Pattinson about it. 
He's like, like, it sounds like 

487
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,760
it's. 
Like, the most we've ever seen 

488
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,760
Pattinson be himself, yeah. 
He's like, I don't know, like 

489
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,640
and they're like, wait, but did 
it actually happen? 

490
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,600
And they're like, well, he moved
and then half with. 

491
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,680
Her, he goes. 
I am Gen. 

492
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,480
ZI. 
Am Gen. 

493
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,360
Z so so there's that the whole 
that whole part where Robert 

494
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:25,240
Pattinson and his is seen as 
like, I guess the least, you 

495
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,680
know, bad at that point 'cause 
he kind of like brushes it off 

496
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,600
and gets to do this kind of like
thing. 

497
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,160
Also that like men kind of get 
to do of like, I guess I won't 

498
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,760
be too specific about it 'cause 
like, I haven't really thought 

499
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,440
about it and like, I don't, I 
don't know, like that kind of 

500
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,840
thing. 
So we just kind of like brush 

501
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,200
past it and his friend is like, 
that doesn't even count 

502
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,680
whatever. 
Although there's a whole movie 

503
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,040
about Robert Pattinson's Worst 
thing and it's called All My 

504
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,160
Friends Hate me and I really 
recommend. 

505
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,120
I was thinking about that movie 
The whole time we were watching 

506
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,800
this movie, which I actually 
think is a better version of the

507
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,200
drama. 
These are all like social 

508
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,840
thrillers, basically. 
But go a similar to this movie 

509
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,840
if you have you know, not like 
heard anything about all my 

510
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,800
friends hate me. 
It's a movie that I was on Hulu,

511
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,640
but go watch it. 
It has Tom Sturtton who has been

512
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,520
like a supporting actor in a lot
of different movies of like Poor

513
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,040
Things and Barbie. 
I think he's like magic Ken, 

514
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,560
right? 
Anyway, but go if you thought 

515
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,720
the drama was even at all 
interesting, just go watch that 

516
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,880
and don't look anything up about
it anyway. 

517
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,800
It's all the. 
European humor, which makes 

518
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,800
sense from this filmmaker. 
But then we get to Zendaya and 

519
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,480
you don't know if like, because 
Robert Pattinson, it was just 

520
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,920
introduced that he was like, not
joking, but like not totally 

521
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,400
reflective about it. 
So it came off as this like sort

522
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,720
of half foot in, half foot out 
thing. 

523
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:59,000
And then when Zendaya says hers,
I think everyone in the theater 

524
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,720
kind of has the moment of like 
everyone at dinner where you're 

525
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,360
like, is this the. 
Air left the room. 

526
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,480
Yeah, including in our audience.
And it's revealed that that's 

527
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,520
because I didn't know going into
the movie. 

528
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,320
It got spoiled for a lot of 
people online. 

529
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,400
And I stayed away from it. 
And I told people in the 

530
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,720
comments, like leading up to it 
from TikTok, I was like, if you 

531
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,160
say something, I will block you.
Yeah. 

532
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,760
Luckily no one said anything, 
which made me have hope in 

533
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,120
humanity. 
But yeah, it's, it's very dark. 

534
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,240
Pattinson's killing in the 
scene. 

535
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,160
Zendaya's doing a lot of good 
reacting, a lot of good reaction

536
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,000
shots. 
And then it's a mix back from 

537
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,720
the other two performers. 
And we can talk about them a 

538
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,880
little bit later. 
But you know, to go off what 

539
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,960
you're saying, like 20 minutes 
or so, you know, into the movie 

540
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,920
after that scene, Zendaya's 
character basically goes through

541
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,400
this like psychologically 
volatile experience of imagining

542
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,960
how Pattinson's character will 
react to her. 

543
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,320
Now that he knows this 
information and Pattinson's 

544
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,720
character, correct me if I'm 
wrong here, he tries to get 

545
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,240
motivations out of her, some 
kind of reasoning for what she 

546
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,040
did. 
And so he. 

547
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,720
Can make sense of it, right? 
Yeah, it's. 

548
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,920
Some kind of moral or empathy 
based justification for why she 

549
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,440
would even consider doing that 
or consider not doing it to the 

550
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,920
point where he starts narrative 
Izing it himself and she's like,

551
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,320
that's not even true. 
And then he has to like tell 

552
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,880
their friends later in the movie
that that is his truth now that 

553
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:17,360
that's how. 
Yeah. 

554
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,280
We get like a flashback from his
point of view at one point, 

555
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,080
yeah. 
And she's sort of not giving him

556
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,840
much because it seems like she 
hasn't been able to or given 

557
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,600
access to totally process this 
very dark time in her life. 

558
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,880
Or at least that's how I took 
it. 

559
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,320
And then the movie shows her 
back story again through like, 

560
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,680
flashbacks that are sometimes 
serious, sometimes absurd. 

561
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,040
The next 30 minutes where 
there's moments of her trying to

562
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,600
record a manifesto, then the 
camera like, cuts out on her or 

563
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,720
the computer needs to update. 
And the film makers are playing 

564
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,200
with the tone in a way that I 
think is actually like, somehow 

565
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,600
successful and not problematic. 
Yeah, it got laughs from our 

566
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,400
theaters because it's not like 
making light of the the subject 

567
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,880
matter or violence of that, but 
it was like making light of like

568
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:10,200
kids who feel lost and what 
culturally they have to turn to.

569
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,440
And and the idea again, like 
that she like didn't have 

570
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,960
resources and we'll we'll talk 
about that as we get into like 

571
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,920
the kind of like judgement 
towards her character. 

572
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,160
But yeah, I think it was like it
didn't hit in a way. 

573
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,480
Like there are other things that
I felt like the movie could have

574
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:34,280
like played into a contrarian 
lane, but that one wasn't 

575
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,880
necessarily one of them. 
Like, I think the the laughs 

576
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,960
were like, it was, it was a 
really interestingly balanced 

577
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,040
tone that I haven't seen before.
Yeah. 

578
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,880
I think what's really 
interesting about this movie, 

579
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,520
and I'd like to talk about the 
conceit with you about the 

580
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,160
school shooting like concept to 
put that into a film like this. 

581
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,040
Because this movie is basically 
about spectacle and being 

582
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,560
critical of it and an American 
culture's obsession with it. 

583
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,040
But it's also a movie being sold
as if there's something super 

584
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,560
dark that happens in the film, 
like in the marketing and in the

585
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,040
movies. 
Just like Maine Conceit, like it

586
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,520
wants audiences to talk about 
something bad that happened in 

587
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,320
the drama I. 
Thought someone was going to die

588
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,080
at the end. 
I was waiting for someone to get

589
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,600
killed and. 
They allude to that. 

590
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:22,000
I mean, there's like a a wedding
shooting dream sequence or 

591
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,640
nightmare sequence. 
And it's, it's just really 

592
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,880
interesting because there's a 
lot of spicy word of mouth or a 

593
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,720
lot of gossip about what the 
drama even is in like the media 

594
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,680
right now in comment sections on
videos about the drama. 

595
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,320
And ironically, the movie is 
sort of criticizing that gossip 

596
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,880
cycle. 
It's criticizing the ways in 

597
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,360
which we profit as a country or 
culture and feed off of other 

598
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,440
people's struggles. 
And we were talking about this 

599
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,800
when we drove home last night. 
Like I asked you like, did you 

600
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,240
think that this dangerously 
leaned into being contrarian 

601
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,640
cinema where it's sort of being 
like, I don't know, criticizing 

602
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,520
cancel culture or something like
that? 

603
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,460
Or sort of like indicting in an 
edge Lord way, like quote UN 

604
00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:09,000
quote thought crime, you know, 
like and what where did you 

605
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,760
ultimately Like now we've had 
20, not even 24 hours, but now 

606
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440
that we've had almost a day away
from the movie, where do you 

607
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,560
ultimately sit with that? 
Like, do you feel like this 

608
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,720
movie was mostly thoughtful and 
how it handled that conceit 

609
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,080
versus the way the Internet is 
sort of treating it in this very

610
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,360
much more like polarized way 
where it was like, either 

611
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,920
extremely problematic to even 
inject that into this commentary

612
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,640
or that, like, that guy said 
that he loved it probably 

613
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,640
because he felt like it was like
observing hypocrisy that made 

614
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,240
him feel seen on screen. 
Yeah. 

615
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,800
That's I think. 
I think I when I walked out of 

616
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,360
it, I was like, this was 
interesting because it's 

617
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,000
introducing this idea of like 
there there's just like this 

618
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,160
conversation one night that 
people were having with their 

619
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:58,520
friends and essentially like 
Alana Himes character actually 

620
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:04,680
like did something that was 
horrible and Zendaya's character

621
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,960
like thought about doing 
something horrible. 

622
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,200
It's not a. 
Importantly, her fiance did 

623
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,600
something horrible that he seems
to only flippantly sort of 

624
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,960
respond to. 
And to own up to, yeah. 

625
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,160
And. 
On the way to work this morning,

626
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,640
I kind of realized like, oh, 
he's like marrying somebody he 

627
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360
victimized in high school and 
she's marrying somebody who is 

628
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,760
like a boy I. 
Didn't even put that together. 

629
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,560
A. 
Bully to her. 

630
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,080
Except they never knew that 
about each other. 

631
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,040
Yeah, because they've been 
performing to one another. 

632
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,560
Yeah, and I think the movie 
wasn't comparing like what Alana

633
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Heim did to the actual like act 
of what Zendaya like could have 

634
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,600
done, Zendaya's character could 
have done. 

635
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,920
Like I don't think it's 
comparing those two things. 

636
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:54,080
I think it's comparing the the 
amount or like the volume of 

637
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,440
outrage towards the idea of like
someone actually doing something

638
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,120
like terrible and people kind of
being like, Oh my God, that's I 

639
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,160
can't believe you did that. 
Like we're going to kind of be 

640
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,480
quiet out of though, because 
like maybe it doesn't like 

641
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,440
represent who you are today or 
something like that. 

642
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,320
But it's still like fucked up. 
And then verse like someone 

643
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,400
saying like I thought about 
doing this and like the the I 

644
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,560
guess like subject that it is, 
people are are, I guess like far

645
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,520
more like immediately stunned, 
don't know how to talk about it.

646
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,760
And so like, I think that was 
that was interesting because a 

647
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,240
lot of Heimlich who just divulge
something, you know, the 

648
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,320
character is supposed to be like
someone who just divulge 

649
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,840
something like terrible that 
they did, but it's so quick to 

650
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,920
like judge someone else. 
The probably the contrarian part

651
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,760
of it that felt like a little 
bit in the zone of like a Ruben 

652
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,520
Uslund. 
Like even though I love force 

653
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,080
majeure, I think triangle of 
sadness veers into Elaine. 

654
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,800
We had a whole conversation 
about it, but I don't enjoy and 

655
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,360
human. 
Beings are just performing their

656
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,160
identities and kind of making 
fun of identity politics in a 

657
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,320
lot of ways. 
Yeah. 

658
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:10,880
So I do think though, that there
was like something there that 

659
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,120
felt like if you applied this 
metaphor, I guess, or if you 

660
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,720
applied that idea of like, well,
because Alana Heim's character 

661
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,960
actually did something and 
someone thought about something 

662
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,440
else. 
Like it's the fact that we can't

663
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,160
handle, quote UN quote, the fact
that someone would think about 

664
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,640
doing something else. 
That was the part of like, OK, 

665
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,800
well, if you apply the metaphor 
of the movie to other things, 

666
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,680
it's not always A1 for one. 
And I think that is what made it

667
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,440
makes it complicated. 
And that's what it made it feel 

668
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:46,080
a little bit like contrarian 
and, and kind of like in the 

669
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,120
lane of what you're talking 
about before of like cancel 

670
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,440
culture has gone too far. 
So I, I think because of like, 

671
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,520
obviously the moment we're into 
when, when I see like a movie 

672
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,440
that sort of like aligns where I
can see people could interpret 

673
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,880
it that way and then run with 
it. 

674
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,719
That's what I get a little bit 
like hesitant, I guess, or 

675
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,719
skeptical of the movie and. 
What's come out about the 

676
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,480
director in the last few weeks, 
which is a little bit more 

677
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,480
complicated because we don't 
have too much information on it,

678
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,239
but like that, maybe if you want
to look into that, please do 

679
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,920
because I think it tells you a 
lot about maybe where he got 

680
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,480
this idea from, right? 
Which was feeling like he was 

681
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,639
being punished for crimes that 
he felt he wasn't committing. 

682
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,080
And so then that's interesting 
because then this movie then 

683
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,440
feels a little bit opportunistic
considering, like, what he knew 

684
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,880
he probably was going to get 
quote, UN quote in trouble for 

685
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,760
as he became more famous. 
Ultimately, I think Zendaya and 

686
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,320
Patterson took it for, like, as 
movie stars. 

687
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,000
They took it for thoughtful 
reasons. 

688
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,800
I think it's like an actual 
commentary they were trying to 

689
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,360
explore about Western culture 
being hypocritical. 

690
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,040
Yeah. 
So I, I think that in one, one 

691
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,960
side of it, it's like, it felt 
like maybe also because of what 

692
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,520
I knew about the director that 
someone can make it and be like,

693
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,680
like people are going to judge 
people for like the darkest 

694
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,120
thoughts that they've had. 
And I was like, that feels like 

695
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,520
a man who doesn't want to get 
cancelled or made this movie. 

696
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,720
But I think in terms of like, I,
when I was thinking about it, I 

697
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,760
was like, why do Robert 
Pattinson and Zendaya take this 

698
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,600
movie? 
And I was like actually thinking

699
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,040
about the reaction to Zendaya 
and how. 

700
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,440
And then I kind of like had some
time to reflect on it too today,

701
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:28,000
where I was like, I, I kind of 
think the movie was interesting 

702
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,560
in that I was in Robert 
Pattinson's shoes throughout it 

703
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,120
and didn't even kind of realize 
if that makes sense. 

704
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,480
Like I, I, I think like we were 
almost like having Robert 

705
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,560
Pattinson's like perspective 
pushed on us. 

706
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,320
And then a lot of himes as like 
a another side of that spectrum.

707
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,800
And I at the end of the movie, I
was like, I don't know how to 

708
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,400
feel because it feels like so 
sad at the end. 

709
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,720
But then today, later, I was 
like, actually I think Zendaya 

710
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,360
was like way too nice to him. 
Oh. 

711
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Yeah, I was like, wait, I think 
she was like way too forgiving. 

712
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,160
She's she's playing a tragic 
character. 

713
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,360
Yeah, of, of him. 
And I was like, and I guess like

714
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,680
I didn't realize that Robert 
Pattinson was like sort of even 

715
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,960
though it's realistic for him to
have this kind of break of like 

716
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,680
they don't even have time to 
talk about it or process it. 

717
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,840
And it, it's just so it is 
realistic in the sense that it's

718
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,400
like Zendaya wouldn't want to 
talk about it all at that 

719
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,920
moment, like right before their 
wedding since they have like 2 

720
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,640
days and they have flower 
appointments, photographer 

721
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,240
appointment. 
And but Robert Pattinson is 

722
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:33,160
like, I kind of like want to 
know for his own self, I guess, 

723
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,680
like, which which does make 
sense, you know what I mean? 

724
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,360
Like it makes sense. 
It feels like a realistic 

725
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,800
dilemma. 
So you understand why he is 

726
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,640
going through all the, like, 
emotions that he is, but he's so

727
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,600
stuck inside himself, like you 
said, trying to find a reason 

728
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,160
and motivation and it like, 
interrogating her where he comes

729
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,200
to the conclusion of like, oh, 
actually maybe she didn't get 

730
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,040
help instead of starting there. 
You know what I mean? 

731
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,520
Like, yeah. 
Or asking questions like, oh, 

732
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,400
your dad was in the military. 
Oh, he kept weapons around the 

733
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,800
house. 
Like, just things like that, 

734
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,000
that he clocked at the wedding. 
Yeah. 

735
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,760
Or just like, you know, instead 
of like asking her for reasons 

736
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,120
and then she has to like slowly 
reveal that she was bullied, 

737
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,960
right? 
Like so there was a lot of like 

738
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,720
really interesting stuff. 
I guess because Alana Imes and 

739
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Robert Pattinson's like 
character. 

740
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,760
I don't remember any of the 
characters names, but their 

741
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,600
perspective is so like pushed on
the audience because that is how

742
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,560
I guess like you know, people 
are react would react to that. 

743
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,400
It it almost like wrong foots 
you to then like once you sit 

744
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,160
with the movie, you're like, 
wait, it's a pretty tragic movie

745
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,840
because the day I was is so like
has been so lonely throughout 

746
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,040
her life and has been seeking 
community and then her character

747
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,800
even in her later life, like 
just once, like Robert Pattinson

748
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,880
don't love her. 
And I was like, that is tragic 

749
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,760
and also like, she probably 
doesn't deserve like what he was

750
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,760
doing so anyway, especially. 
When it's revealed, like her 

751
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,800
deafness is a product of like, 
self harm essentially like 

752
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,600
things like that, like symbolic 
of self harm, like there was 

753
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,240
just a lack of empathy in his 
character. 

754
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:13,000
And I think it was saying, you 
know, they were trying to use 

755
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,320
the fact that he was like this 
museum architect and that he was

756
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,160
like focused on aesthetics. 
And when he saw Zendaya, he 

757
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,040
didn't really care about her 
intellectual or emotional 

758
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,680
intelligence. 
He cared about how she looked 

759
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,400
like somebody he wanted to be 
married to. 

760
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,040
And even when he saw the book 
she was reading, he never really

761
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,840
cared to look into the Goodreads
reviews or whatever. 

762
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,480
He just wanted to know the title
and a quick maybe synopsis. 

763
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,800
And I'm sure that book would 
have told him everything he 

764
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,720
needed to know or questions he 
should have asked. 

765
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,080
And the fact that he never read 
it when he's revealing that to 

766
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,280
his, you know, groomsmen and 
when he's going through his 

767
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,640
speech and he's making his 
groomsmen cry, which is like a 

768
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,560
pretty good speech, but also 
filled with cliches 

769
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,480
intentionally. 
It's just a really good I like 

770
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,960
you said, wrong footing because 
it makes you go, you know, for 

771
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,240
the quote UN quote critical 
thinkers in the audience, like, 

772
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,000
Oh, I don't relate to Alana 
Himes character. 

773
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,120
She's supposed to be a mirror to
the audience to make us see like

774
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,360
how judge mental and 
narcissistic and self interested

775
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,320
we are. 
But really the wrong foot is 

776
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,880
like they want the the film 
makers want you to connect to 

777
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,680
Pattinson's character into like 
see his POV and to understand 

778
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,320
why he's being cautious or to 
understand why he's even 

779
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,240
considering like as his Co 
worker would have done, turn his

780
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,000
partner into the police for 
thinking something once you like

781
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,840
15 years ago. 
So I found that to be like 

782
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,160
really successful. 
And I don't think a lot of even 

783
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,200
some critics who are hating on 
this movie are giving giving 

784
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,840
that commentary like a lot of 
nuance because it's so easy to, 

785
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,960
you know, just cut this movie 
down and say that's an 

786
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,440
intentions are just purely 
opportunistic, even though, 

787
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,560
again, like I already said, I 
think there are opportunistic 

788
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,840
elements to it. 
What really resonated with me is

789
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,360
like how it is flipping the 
mirror on the audience and being

790
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,160
like Western culture is 
hypocritical, but not for like 

791
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,440
shallow reasons. 
It's saying the culture is 

792
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,560
judgmental of violence, but it's
also a culture that conditions 

793
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,840
and victimizes the youth who are
put inside a violent environment

794
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,480
and then and then indicts that 
generation as they grow up and 

795
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,480
they to become violent or 
territorial because they haven't

796
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,280
gotten or received help or 
rehabilitation or. 

797
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:18,800
Have resources. 
And so it felt like a massive 

798
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,240
criticism on basically this 
violent American disease that is

799
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,400
like infected everyone in the 
movie. 

800
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,520
I like how it provokes adults to
start thinking as if like 

801
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,680
anybody could be a quote UN 
quote school shooter. 

802
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,560
And there's a moment where Pat 
since explaining this to the 

803
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,240
other two supporting characters 
and they go around like keeping 

804
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,400
new people in New York City who 
look like they're on the verge 

805
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,760
of crashing out. 
And I thought that was really 

806
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,720
effective because schools are a 
microcosm of America and and we 

807
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,600
are in a school quite often 
throughout the movie and time 

808
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,720
jumps and trying to show that. 
But it was actually more 

809
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,880
effective commentary to then 
twist it on and flipping the 

810
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,040
instincts of the audience to 
realize that actually the person

811
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,560
next to you is like just one bad
day away. 

812
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,360
And I thought that was like, and
it wasn't being judgmental of 

813
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,640
those people. 
It was actually these people 

814
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,480
need help and instead like their
loved ones don't even really 

815
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,120
want to know truly who they are 
because they might turn them in.

816
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,480
And like, that is actually, I 
thought a pretty incisive look 

817
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,840
at American culture at this 
moment. 

818
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,120
It feels it feels like it's 
going to be a period piece one 

819
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,000
day because of how willing 
neighbors are to turn in their 

820
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,280
neighbors and not it's, you 
know, it's not even that. 

821
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,920
It's like the calls coming from 
inside the house, like your 

822
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,600
partner might feel like they are
obligated to turn you in like 

823
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,960
that. 
That is a scary concept, even if

824
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,960
it's coming from a film maker, 
Like how we already said 

825
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,360
opportunistic. 
And maybe he's doing this for 

826
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,080
problematic reasons. 
But Ari Astor produced this. 

827
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,120
You could tell there are other 
lies on this, like screenplay or

828
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,600
story. 
I'm sure Zendaya and Pattinson 

829
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,080
too, Like it is a very well 
realized political commentary. 

830
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,840
So yeah, I cosign like a lot of 
the observations are making 

831
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,160
about it. 
But yeah, I think you're going 

832
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,800
to be really understandably sort
of annoying about this this part

833
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,720
of the movie. 
I either, there's some things I 

834
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,880
get, like I've read some 
arguments that using school 

835
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,560
shootings as part of a 
commentary in this way is just 

836
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,000
like, inherently exploitative. 
And I think that critique is 

837
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,960
fair. 
Yeah, totally. 

838
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,640
I, I think the thing that bummed
me out about the commentary is 

839
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,800
how it approaches women as 
school shooters. 

840
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Yeah. 
We talked about this last night 

841
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,560
a little bit. 
Yeah. 

842
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,160
Yeah, I mean, I think #1 like, 
having, like, young girls, but 

843
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,440
also a young black girl, like, 
be someone who's planning a 

844
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,280
school shooting felt like, and I
was also one of the reasons I 

845
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,280
walked out. 
I was like, I don't know, Like, 

846
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,680
I don't know about this movie 
because it felt like it was 

847
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,840
using like a young black girl to
like, talk about an issue that 

848
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,840
like young white boys. 
Are predominantly experiencing, 

849
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,560
yeah. 
And like, not that it's not 

850
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,080
calling attention to like, maybe
like reasons, I guess, right, 

851
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,600
that things might like happen or
like the lack of resources that 

852
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,920
children have in the violent 
environment that they're in. 

853
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,600
It's like, I think, you know, 
I'll be interested to see how 

854
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,920
people walk away from the movie 
because in the school scenes, 

855
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,480
like the bullying and then the 
the, the scene where you like, 

856
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,840
obviously when she joins the OR 
like she cries and then looking 

857
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,280
at the girl who she's been 
fanning, fantasizing about like 

858
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,160
killing and then she joins the 
like. 

859
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,080
Activist Group Activist. 
Group yeah like it's so obvious 

860
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,120
that her character like wanted 
community and we have this whole

861
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,440
other narrative of like Robert 
Pattinson asking people in his 

862
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,440
life that like. 
Because he's freaking out about 

863
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:45,760
it and he is essentially like 
making Zendaya's character like 

864
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,880
more vulnerable right before 
like their wedding in terms of 

865
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,160
like telling someone for his 
own, I guess like processing 

866
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:57,720
who's like a Co worker, you 
know, and then and then also 

867
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:00,920
like a lot of the like 
psychopath, like being thrown 

868
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,520
around, right. 
So like you and and the movie's 

869
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,160
like playing with you too. 
Where I was there were sometimes

870
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,840
like at the end of the movie, I 
was like, is she going to stab 

871
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,000
him? 
Like is that what the movie is 

872
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,240
leading us towards? 
Because his back was like open 

873
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,080
at the very end when he's like 
dancing with himself. 

874
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,720
So interesting, I saw another 
critic write the same thing and 

875
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,160
I didn't have that experience at
all. 

876
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,640
Interesting. 
So because I, I was like, OK, 

877
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,240
like This is why that it was 
also why I was like, I don't 

878
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:25,360
know, like what's happening 
here? 

879
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,480
Because I thought they were 
showing us like things, things 

880
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:33,600
that were again, like telling us
that Zendaya's character like 

881
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,880
wanted community. 
Like it was kind of like 

882
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:41,960
explaining the, the, the, the 
conceit, I guess of like, it 

883
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,120
wasn't just like supposed to be 
shocking. 

884
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,360
It was like, here's the kind of 
like background or like in the 

885
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,160
flashbacks, but but I think the 
the playing with all the other 

886
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,600
characters being like, well, 
yeah, like the the Co worker 

887
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,800
being like, yeah, I called the 
cops on like my partner if I 

888
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,040
found out at age 40 that at 
like, you know, when they were 

889
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,720
15, they like thought about this
and then. 

890
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:03,360
We meet her partner and we're 
like, I get it. 

891
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,680
Well. 
She's like, isn't that what 

892
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,760
you're supposed to do? 
And she's like. 

893
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,680
Have you met? 
Which, by the way, absolutely 

894
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,640
love her. 
I was in love. 

895
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,880
Holy shit, Yeah, we have some 
things to say about some of the 

896
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,200
supporting crew. 
Some of them not great, some of 

897
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,360
them very good. 
So that person's name is Hayley 

898
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,240
Gates. 
And you, you asked me. 

899
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:24,960
You turned me in the theater. 
Where do we know her from? 

900
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,880
We just watched her two nights 
ago in the rewatch of 

901
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,760
Challengers. 
Because she's the woman that 

902
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,480
Joshua Connor tries to hook up 
with. 

903
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,560
So he's a place to. 
Stay in. 

904
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,400
The hotel. 
Yeah. 

905
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,840
Wow, she's also in other things 
too, but yeah. 

906
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,040
That's so weird. 
I was in love with her. 

907
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,840
She had. 
Great chemistry of Pattinson. 

908
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,280
Yeah, like they had a very funny
chemistry. 

909
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,280
Definitely, Yeah. 
But I it's crazy because, like, 

910
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,400
walking out of the movie, 
although I'm in love with 

911
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,520
Zendaya and in love with Robert 
Pattinson, I was like, Oh my 

912
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,600
God, like I have a crush on her.
She's crazy. 

913
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,760
I get it. 
But I, yeah. 

914
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,160
Anyway, yeah. 
They were so like, funny and 

915
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,480
interesting together and weird. 
Zoe Winters was really good as 

916
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,680
the I. 
Was just going to say too, yeah 

917
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,680
a lot of really fun, like side 
performances. 

918
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,160
Just to wish she was telling 
Pattinson. 

919
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,200
Yeah, smile like you're a human 
being. 

920
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,040
Yeah. 
So just normal, Yeah, the way. 

921
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,600
He kept opening his mouth and 
expanding it as to stretch it. 

922
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,480
Like we've all been there. 
It's like a very funny, like 

923
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,520
you're just like, not in the 
mood and someone's trying to 

924
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:19,960
take a picture of you for 
whatever reason. 

925
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,240
Yeah. 
But regardless, anyway, sorry I 

926
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,360
got off track. 
But what I was saying is that 

927
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,040
like, I think that like using, 
you know, we were talking about 

928
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,480
how like the movie talked about 
like women. 

929
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,480
And in particular, there was one
flashback where Zendaya was 

930
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,280
like, actually like women do 
this too. 

931
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,880
And it was supposed to be US 
understanding that her character

932
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,640
as a child had like, done 
research like on this because 

933
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,280
she had like basically fallen 
into like a terrible like 

934
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:52,080
algorithm and had no one to talk
to and was being like harassed 

935
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,760
and and facing like violence at 
school and like didn't. 

936
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,680
Yeah. 
Anyway, so I think like. 

937
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,240
They try to contextualize it, 
like Pattinson finds a book of 

938
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,040
like the different ways in which
American culture fetishizes guns

939
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,040
with a bunch of like women 
models with guns. 

940
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,840
And I think it was probably a 
more academic text, but I didn't

941
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,720
really get to read any of it. 
He was just going through the 

942
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:12,360
pictures and like seeing Zadaya 
in them, basically. 

943
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,200
So the woman the movie tries to 
be like this is like this kind 

944
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,520
of gun culture or violent 
culture is a inevitably or 

945
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,680
eventually going to infect like 
all people in this country, 

946
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,520
which I but I don't think he 
actually deserves that 

947
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,920
commentary because the racial 
aspects of it weren't examined 

948
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,520
at all. 
Yeah, I don't, I don't think 

949
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,640
either. 
Yeah, aspect of gender or race 

950
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,400
were like thoughtfully, yeah, 
explored here. 

951
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,840
That's I guess like one of the 
big things where I felt like it 

952
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,920
was just like using Zendaya's 
character as a way to talk about

953
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,080
a different issue. 
Right. 

954
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,960
Yeah. 
So do you think that as and then

955
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,760
we can get back into the plot, 
But I just want to note this 

956
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,800
real quick. 
I think, you know, I would 

957
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,360
assume people are probably 
wondering, like, do you think we

958
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,320
also watch this movie a little 
bit differently because we're 

959
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,520
educators and like, we've just 
been in schools for like 10 

960
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,040
years? 
I thought about that last night.

961
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:10,080
Yeah, I mean, I do think that 
the premise of like I, I could 

962
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,640
see the the dinner table and I 
think a lot of other people who 

963
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,960
aren't in education could see 
the dinner table seen as like 

964
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,760
very realistic, like you could 
see Zendaya or like Zendaya's 

965
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,280
character, like dropping that. 
And if people were at that 

966
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,600
dinner table, like immediately 
not knowing how to react or like

967
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:32,440
judging harshly. 
And I, I think like that 

968
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,800
component of it is interesting 
from the a little bit more 

969
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,760
interesting or nuanced from a 
point of view of people who are 

970
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,880
educators because they are 
actually in school. 

971
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,600
So like we have a little bit 
more context for like what the 

972
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,520
flashbacks are because I, I 
think the flashbacks were more 

973
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,440
so like situated within, like 
how people, you know, have 

974
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,560
experienced public schools or 
like the institution of 

975
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,200
education. 
I mean, obviously private 

976
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:05,360
schools too, but like whatever. 
But I think that in terms of 

977
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,280
like the way I was thinking 
about it, it's kind of like a 

978
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,360
complicated thing to unravel. 
But essentially like the shit 

979
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,360
that kids do you in this like 
environment where they kind of 

980
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,680
like are on social media, like a
Robert Pattinson's character of 

981
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,480
like the cyber bullying and and 
shit like that. 

982
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,880
Like, because they're in an 
environment where it's like they

983
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:34,720
are thinking they're like taught
not to be thoughtful about, I 

984
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:37,040
guess, like what they're doing 
to other people because like, 

985
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,000
like they have like Trump as 
their president, you know what I

986
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,080
mean? 
They think things are like funny

987
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,280
exploitation. 
Is content. 

988
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,960
Yeah. 
And so, like, there are, you 

989
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,400
know, things that people like 
that children like, actually do.

990
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,520
Like that's the whole commentary
that a lot of Heim's character 

991
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,480
actually does something. 
And then it's like judging 

992
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,800
Zendaya's character so hard to 
feel like thinking about doing 

993
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,720
something. 
It's not that we shouldn't deal 

994
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,280
with like, you know, a character
thinking something like that. 

995
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,400
That's not what we're saying 
that kids actually do shit. 

996
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,040
That is like far worse than just
thinking about doing something, 

997
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,120
right. 
Like, I genuinely don't think 

998
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,200
that people understand that. 
Like, you know, like kids are 

999
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,520
putting, they're like putting 
like little girls like faces on 

1000
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,240
like porn, right? 
And like there's like, there's a

1001
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:27,280
bunch of like legal shit where 
now like a little girl has to 

1002
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,960
deal with like that being on the
Internet and it's like, that is 

1003
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,480
actually shit that's like 
happening. 

1004
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,280
There's also a lot of like other
like violent things that are 

1005
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,280
happening, but it's crazy like 
isolated. 

1006
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,040
Incidents either those are like,
no, Yeah, school by school cases

1007
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,520
across the country. 
Yeah, I don't think people know,

1008
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,960
like that is what's going on in 
school. 

1009
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,320
So I think that's also some 
place where we came at the movie

1010
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,400
where like it's interesting if 
people are like, this is 

1011
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,000
problematic to like put in here 
like just the subject of of like

1012
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,320
Zendaya's character, like what 
she thought about doing. 

1013
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,120
Yeah, I found. 
That kind of condescending from 

1014
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,480
that take us from some. 
Critics. 

1015
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,080
But I was like, I, I genuinely 
don't think that like people 

1016
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,200
know what is truly going on. 
And so I think a lot of people 

1017
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,320
think like this generation is 
like so much more accepting and 

1018
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:17,400
they they are like after Zendaya
joins like a like anti gun, you 

1019
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,640
know, like activist group within
her school. 

1020
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,720
Like no, like shit's so bad and 
it, and it's the like 

1021
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:26,080
environment like lack of 
resources, like what we're 

1022
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,000
talking about. 
But I think like that that is 

1023
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,920
interesting. 
I wonder like how people will 

1024
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,760
kind of like, yeah, I guess how 
people will talk about it. 

1025
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,720
Yeah, I mean, I'm incredibly 
well said. 

1026
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:41,680
I was going to say like 
basically all of that too. 

1027
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,440
Well, it's weird in particular 
for us because like, I've been 

1028
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,520
for me personally, I've been 
teaching high school since Trump

1029
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,000
got elected. 
And so Trump culture is just way

1030
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:56,760
more kids are more prone to 
being mean in ways that like our

1031
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,760
generation didn't experience in 
the same way. 

1032
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,240
Like there was certainly more 
conventional and traditional 

1033
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:05,120
bullying for like young 
millennials or Zillennials of 

1034
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,000
like people who grew up in high 
school from like 2010 to 2014, 

1035
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,800
whatever. 
But this last 10 years, the the 

1036
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:17,200
meanness of like the cutting 
statements that kids will make 

1037
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,360
to one another online or in 
person is very and then laughing

1038
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,760
about it is like, and you can 
tell something that they're just

1039
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,000
like mirroring what they're 
saying online or mirroring what 

1040
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,200
they're saying in the culture 
and government or in business. 

1041
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,480
And it's deeply disturbing. 
And somehow this movie was aware

1042
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,080
of that. 
I don't know if the film makers 

1043
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,640
were in touch with like what's 
going on because they knew 

1044
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,160
teachers, they had consultants 
on this movie, but there was an 

1045
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,920
awareness that I haven't really 
seen in, I've seen in European 

1046
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,240
films that deal in schools, but 
I don't think I've seen an 

1047
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,280
American. 
Like I know Euphoria sort of 

1048
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,160
covers this, but not really. 
It's kind of different. 

1049
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,640
But like, to me, I would have 
thought only an educator in high

1050
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,000
school classrooms would know how
to totally visualize this, where

1051
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,120
you see that kids are not only 
thinking about hurting 

1052
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,040
themselves, but also thinking 
about hurting other people. 

1053
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,640
And the movie wrestling with the
idea that adults don't want to 

1054
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,640
admit that because then it 
admits something about them and 

1055
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,680
the ways in which they've 
focused on self preservation, 

1056
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,080
the ways in which they focused 
on like a pseudo moral clarity 

1057
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,080
in their lives to justify their 
decisions or the bullying that 

1058
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,000
they've done in their lives when
they were kids. 

1059
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,480
And the idea that this movie is 
playing with this like messy 

1060
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,680
psychological space that kids 
and educators exist and they 

1061
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,600
only know about that Zendaya is 
sort of her character is sort of

1062
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,680
stunted in. 
And that's why the movie plays 

1063
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,040
with this idea of her teenage 
self coming back into the 

1064
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,800
present with Pattinson and 
somebody, like creepy scenes or 

1065
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,120
sequences that I found the be 
the most like one quote horror 

1066
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,960
like where he's like playing 
with his fiance as like a 

1067
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,320
teenage character in the park or
like watching the water go by 

1068
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,440
and you're like, this is very 
strange and bizarre. 

1069
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,680
But I know what they're trying 
to convey here, which is 

1070
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,120
interesting. 
Just like, like the lack of help

1071
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,760
for people who are like stuck in
a very low part of their life. 

1072
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,320
So yeah, I think the movie was 
just like very again, like kind 

1073
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,320
of insightful about a culture 
that is incredibly anxious, 

1074
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,280
violent and ultimately like 
under supported. 

1075
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,160
There's like a couple nods to 
did you get therapy? 

1076
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,520
Like to pass into Zendaya. 
And she like, doesn't want to 

1077
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,880
talk about that in the movie. 
Really wants you to sort of like

1078
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,960
be frustrated with her and be 
leaning on patents inside, which

1079
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,000
I commend it for that because it
would have been a much easier 

1080
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,880
route to be like, she's crazy, 
all caps, like insane and be 

1081
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,080
very problematic and then be 
sort of funny being on patents 

1082
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,640
inside being like, what the 
fuck's going on? 

1083
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,600
Like, what am I supposed to do 
here in a in a lot in a more 

1084
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,440
like less thoughtful. 
I think a group of film makers 

1085
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,360
hands here and that would have 
happened and that we would have 

1086
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,000
a different conversation. 
But yeah, I was impressed about 

1087
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,960
how much it humanized people who
are going through what Zendaya's

1088
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,960
character is going through in 
this movie and also what she 

1089
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,400
went through. 
Yeah, I, I mean, I think that 

1090
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:58,120
it's a weird thing where it's 
like, I, I think that what 

1091
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,040
people might be responding to is
that like the idea of like 

1092
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,400
empathy as like forgiving 
Zendaya's character. 

1093
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,360
Like it doesn't mean that like 
what she wasn't planning was 

1094
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,440
like terrible. 
But it's like not, it's not a 

1095
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,720
nature versus nurture movie. 
But I was thinking about that, 

1096
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:18,560
especially with like Ruby and 
Uslan's movies of like, they 

1097
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,160
kind of do like fall, I guess 
like the triangle of sadness, 

1098
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,320
almost like fell into that. 
I think baby girl, like fell 

1099
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,880
into that. 
You know, I love Lena Rayne's 

1100
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,200
body, bodies, bodies, bodies. 
I just think like European. 

1101
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,800
Cinema came across here to the 
United States for sure. 

1102
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,520
Yeah. 
And I think that so like there 

1103
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:37,400
there is like something 
interesting, though, I think 

1104
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,320
going on with possible reactions
that I could see to this of like

1105
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,400
of being like not, I guess 
zooming out to see like, why is 

1106
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:47,960
the day I went through what she 
did? 

1107
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,040
Even though I think the movie 
does explain it like, but it 

1108
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,200
doesn't just mean that it's 
like, Oh, we're just like not 

1109
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,280
we're just like fully saying 
this is fine just because we're 

1110
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,680
not. 
I guess because you're seeing 

1111
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:05,040
the social factors that like led
to a situation like this isn't 

1112
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,280
the same thing as like just 
brushing it off. 

1113
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:12,240
So like, but I think that that 
conflation, it is probably going

1114
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,600
to happen. 
Yeah, no, that you're right. 

1115
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,560
I think just by the fact that 
the fact that Zendaya's 

1116
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,800
character doesn't give a clear 
single reason as to why she even

1117
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,360
considered being violent or 
committing, like, you know, mass

1118
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,320
violence probably is going to 
irritate a lot of people in the 

1119
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,360
Alana Heim way where she was 
like, well, then you're a 

1120
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,360
psycho. 
Because you can't give me a one 

1121
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,440
specific reason where Patson has
to make up a story about the 

1122
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,240
neighbor that she saw that 
physically, the car crash, all 

1123
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,160
that stuff, and that traumatized
her. 

1124
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,720
And then Alana, Heim's fiance, 
is like, I love. 

1125
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,480
When he's like, well, that's 
like that actually. 

1126
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,520
Yeah, that could be a reason. 
Mamadou Aiki Athi, I apologize 

1127
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,680
for mispronouncing his name, but
he he's pretty good in that 

1128
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,360
role. 
He's a tougher role. 

1129
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:54,760
He. 
Does have a really difficult 

1130
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,760
role and I actually think he 
brings through a lot of like 

1131
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,640
subtle humor that doesn't feel 
like it's like making light of 

1132
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,320
this situation either. 
So I I liked his performance and

1133
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,480
I like him and Robert 
Pattinson's like talking and he 

1134
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,280
feels like, again, the 
characters feel realistic and 

1135
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,280
that he felt like he would 
actually like be there for 

1136
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,640
Robert Pattinson's character as 
a friend. 

1137
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,840
I agree. 
But OK. 

1138
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,120
That aside though, I think I 
actually just had an epiphany 

1139
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,240
about why I didn't totally like 
this movie. 

1140
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,040
I don't know if I can totally 
formulate it. 

1141
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,240
OK, that's fine. 
Let's just be vulnerable for the

1142
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,200
next 5 minutes. 
Let's try. 

1143
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,680
OK, So I think that there's 
something interesting going on, 

1144
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,040
as we've already stated in the 
idea that Alana Heim's character

1145
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,280
essentially is incapable of 
having a conversation about the 

1146
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,800
social factors and like 
institutional like issues that 

1147
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:53,760
could lead to anyone, which 
Zendaya's character represents 

1148
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,200
like, like going through 
something like this and having 

1149
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,120
no resources or like people to 
turn to. 

1150
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,040
And that's like why it's funny 
when Robert Pattinson's like 

1151
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,240
it's like a cultural thing. 
It's like an American cultural 

1152
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,120
thing. 
So like that, that part is 

1153
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,400
interesting, but I think the 
flip side of that and and what 

1154
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,920
we we're also talking about is 
like a flaw of the movie of 

1155
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,320
using like a young black girl in
America to tell a story. 

1156
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,840
Again, that like is a violent 
act. 

1157
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:34,160
That is usually like a a story 
that would be about like a young

1158
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,840
white boy or a white man in 
America. 

1159
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,880
The reason that that is like 
actually a really huge like 

1160
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:46,720
issue in the movie is that the 
there's like a conflation of 

1161
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,120
like both of those things. 
So like that, I guess the idea 

1162
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:56,840
that the movie kind of gets you 
to in terms of, or I guess the 

1163
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:02,880
the kind of conclusion that the 
movie posits is that if we are 

1164
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,720
judging something like 
immediately and can't have a 

1165
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:12,880
conversation, quote UN quote 
about it, then like people are 

1166
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,840
morally quote UN quote outraged.
You know, like there's a lot of 

1167
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,400
conservative language in here. 
That's why I'm quote unquoting, 

1168
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,120
quote unquoting. 
And so I think, but the, the 

1169
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:31,760
issue there is that like the, 
the people who are usually, I, I

1170
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,720
guess, like in these violent 
situations and have privilege 

1171
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,360
with the movie subject. 
Actually, you know the the I 

1172
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,440
guess the the person right, who 
we would be thinking about in 

1173
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,040
this actual subject matter in 
real life outside of the context

1174
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:52,000
of the movie already get so many
passes in life like whether it's

1175
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,440
physical violence or sexual 
violence, like institutions are 

1176
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,680
set up to not convict them or 
to. 

1177
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,160
To had not have the news cycle 
really like like pay attention 

1178
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,880
to that like people can pay 
people out like I think that. 

1179
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,280
It's like conveniently Co opting
A historically marginalized 

1180
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,280
identity to forgive basically 
the dominant identity in 

1181
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,400
society, which would be like the
male dominated white male 

1182
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:19,800
dominated identity. 
Right. 

1183
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:26,880
So then the the idea of like, 
you know, the idea of judging 

1184
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:32,560
too quickly as a concept without
thinking about social factors is

1185
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:38,960
interesting because then it that
that's that's interesting, I 

1186
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,080
guess, because again, it's like 
calling attention to like a 

1187
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,080
broken system. 
But at the same time, because of

1188
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,320
what actually what the subject 
matter is dealing with and who 

1189
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,120
usually that represents it 
falls. 

1190
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:59,840
It's like a very slippery slope 
into like, well, like, you know,

1191
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:06,400
people are quote, UN quote, 
outraged like about some about 

1192
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,480
something. 
And it veers into a place where 

1193
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:14,520
it's like it, it veers into a 
place of like, why are people 

1194
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,960
outraged without having the full
story, you know, and that I 

1195
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,720
don't know. 
So I I think that it veers into 

1196
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,760
like white victimization. 
I totally articulate it, but. 

1197
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,640
No, I think you did. 
I think my counter argument that

1198
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,160
I've been voicing throughout the
episode of why I ultimately 

1199
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,840
don't land on the side of this 
movie is being totally 

1200
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,480
opportunistic or even 
problematic. 

1201
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,800
Even though I I agree with 
everything you just said, is 

1202
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,120
that it goes out of its way to 
try to humanize people who are 

1203
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:49,480
not given that grace in in 
America, especially as children.

1204
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,320
Considering how violent this 
country is and how there's a 

1205
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,840
kind of denial built into 
American culture about how we 

1206
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,400
talk about violence in this 
nation. 

1207
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,160
How we talk about incarceration,
how we talk about a lot lack of 

1208
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,960
mental health access resources 
in that way. 

1209
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,160
And even how it tries to provoke
you to think about like monogamy

1210
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:11,600
and customs about relationships 
or trying to date somebody as 

1211
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,000
like emotionally violent 
performances that we put on for 

1212
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,760
others. 
Now there's something there is 

1213
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,960
something emotionally violent 
about Pattinson and Zendaya's 

1214
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,280
even like meet cute that is kind
of interesting. 

1215
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,760
The movie is doing a lot of 
different things about the 

1216
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,480
concept of how we accept and 
normalize violence and then we 

1217
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,360
judge it. 
I think I would be more in your 

1218
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,000
wavelength about and I think I 
would not like the movie. 

1219
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,600
If she actually did commit some 
kind of violence and then the 

1220
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,560
movie was sort of going out of 
its way to try to understand her

1221
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:48,360
perspective, then I would find 
it deeply like I would. 

1222
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,880
I would be moral, I would 
morally object it and I would 

1223
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,800
reject it as like an artistic 
exercise. 

1224
01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:00,160
But because she is just guilty 
of being victimized and wanting 

1225
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,240
to victimize other people, 
that's just called American 

1226
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,560
public schools in 2026 or 
whatever. 

1227
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,440
Like that's just like a Tuesday,
you know what I mean? 

1228
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,920
Like, come, come visit a local, 
your local school as a 

1229
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,000
substitute. 
And holy shit, you're going to 

1230
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,520
get your shit rocked about the 
ways in which you thought the 

1231
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:15,920
kids were speaking to one 
another. 

1232
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,920
Or like this sort of fantasy 
that even though I Gen. 

1233
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,120
Z is, you know, incredibly 
important generation to me. 

1234
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,360
And I and I love the generation,
what it stands for symbolically 

1235
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,440
growing up in this Trump 
administration is fucked. 

1236
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,080
And like you cannot understand 
it unless you've seen it. 

1237
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,680
And I don't just mean just 
because you have kids, you 

1238
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,240
understand it what you like. 
You don't know even your four 

1239
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,120
point O students from your one 
point O students, you do not 

1240
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,440
know how they are speaking to 
one another in groups or online 

1241
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,080
or in person and what they are 
doing. 

1242
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,360
Totally. 
And there's been TV shows about 

1243
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,480
this recently on Netflix is that
one show that's really popular 

1244
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,160
right now. 
So the conversations are like 

1245
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,240
happening. 
So I guess I would be again, I 

1246
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,320
would be more on what you're 
saying to to say that this movie

1247
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:02,640
is trying to like justify the 
sort of like white fragility and

1248
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,760
white sympathy that like men 
like this filmmaker might be 

1249
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,360
trying to get across by Co 
opting a black woman and putting

1250
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,800
her in the shoes of what would 
predominantly be a white fragile

1251
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,200
man or white fragile boy in a 
school. 

1252
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,960
But because she ultimately did 
not commit the violence, I think

1253
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,080
it's actually more interesting 
about what it's provoking the 

1254
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,440
audience about, about our own 
judgments and how we try to 

1255
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,760
preserve status. 
Yeah, OK. 

1256
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:29,400
Does. 
That make sense I. 

1257
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,240
I think it makes sense. 
I, I do, I do ultimately think 

1258
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,640
like I walked away with it or 
walked away from the movie like 

1259
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,080
immediately being like, oh, 
that's it was interesting again 

1260
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,880
that like no one was asking when
she just said like her most 

1261
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,440
something that was like the most
vulnerable thing, which is like 

1262
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,960
also probably reaching out for 
help. 

1263
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,880
Like even in that moment being 
drunk as an adult, you know, 

1264
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,800
like I, I think that it was 
calling attention to the idea 

1265
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,880
that she felt like she had no 
support. 

1266
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,160
There wasn't support offered to 
her ever. 

1267
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,280
She. 
Only goes on a date with Pass's 

1268
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,880
character because she thinks 
that he can relate to being 

1269
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,200
traumatized. 
Because I think her book is 

1270
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,800
about being damaged. 
Yeah. 

1271
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,440
So I never caught the he never 
fucking read it. 

1272
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,320
The title, yeah, because. 
He was the damager we learned. 

1273
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,520
Yeah. 
So, yeah, I don't know. 

1274
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,640
It's I think it's that's nuanced
in a way that it's not going to 

1275
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,320
get a lot of credit for, even 
though I think what you're 

1276
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,400
saying is right. 
And I think that this movie, I 

1277
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,200
don't I think this director is 
going to get cancelled 

1278
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:31,520
eventually. 
I think he's going to make 

1279
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,560
something that because you're, 
because you're totally, I think 

1280
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:38,360
locating something a little bit 
toxic about this movie that will

1281
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,320
come up in one of his feature 
films, if not one of his 

1282
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:41,800
previous films. 
Because I haven't watched stream

1283
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,640
scenario or the other. 
I'm sick of myself. 

1284
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,320
You know, I probably will 
because I heard the Cage one's 

1285
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,600
really good. 
Last thing I, I guess like is 

1286
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:54,280
that I think the, IT was an 
interesting experience to be put

1287
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,920
in Robert Pattinson's shoes 
throughout the movie where you 

1288
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,160
are essentially like, kind of 
like in the position of like, Oh

1289
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,800
my God, what would I do? 
Because Robert Pattinson's 

1290
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,760
asking everyone, like, what 
would you do if this scenario 

1291
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,120
happened? 
And so like the audience is all 

1292
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,880
thinking, Oh my God, what would 
I do? 

1293
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,080
And you're living through like 
Robert Pattinson's kind of break

1294
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:20,240
about it and it's moving kind of
so fast and you're kind of taken

1295
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,400
by all the different scenes 
because they feel so messy 

1296
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:28,120
essentially that you then at the
very end you're like, Oh my God,

1297
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,600
Like he just put her through so 
much shit when she just like 

1298
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,520
talked to him about something, 
you know what I mean? 

1299
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:40,440
Like so I, I do think that is an
interesting, I guess like point 

1300
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,400
of like filmmaking point of 
view. 

1301
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,080
Yeah. 
And I think it then broadens 

1302
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,280
also who it's targeting in its 
commentary because obviously 

1303
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,960
Pattinson's character is not an 
American, which is interesting. 

1304
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,440
Like, especially with the knife 
scene or just like him being 

1305
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,440
scared of her, like he didn't 
know her. 

1306
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:56,680
Which brings us to the idea of 
this movie. 

1307
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,760
When it comes to the 
relationship commentary, which 

1308
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,880
we've not talked about. 
Maybe we can end the pod here in

1309
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,800
terms of the performances from 
the Leeds, but also the way it 

1310
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,640
handles this relationship. 
Did you think that the romance 

1311
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,480
worked between Pattinson's 
character and Zendaya's 

1312
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,520
character? 
Because I think this movie sort 

1313
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,560
of relies on you needing it to 
work. 

1314
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:16,760
I do. 
I think so. 

1315
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,600
I I literally believed they were
a couple. 

1316
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,960
Same. 
It's like they're very good 

1317
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:23,480
actors. 
And the reason, yeah, and the 

1318
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:29,120
reason it's wild is because we 
are so in tune with them as 

1319
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,520
celebrities like we are. 
We, you know, watch very well. 

1320
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,920
I don't know about we because 
like, you do more like movie 

1321
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,280
prep. 
I watch very few celebrity, 

1322
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,000
like, interviews or whatever. 
Like I always stop for like 

1323
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,600
Zendaya and Robert Pattinson. 
And I've never skipped one of 

1324
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,800
their interviews. 
And so like, I think we are like

1325
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,240
just individually para socially 
like connected to them. 

1326
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,520
So it was like kind of wild that
I was able to suspend disbelief 

1327
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,800
and believe that they were like 
a couple on screen throughout 

1328
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,480
the whole movie. 
Yeah, yeah, they're very, very 

1329
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,760
good right away too, like in the
meet queue, which we really talk

1330
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,080
too much about, but like where 
he sort of tries to creep up on 

1331
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,200
her. 
And I do like how this movie 

1332
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,120
sort of interrogates that. 
A lot of relationships and maybe

1333
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,600
in Western culture in 
particular, like I can't speak 

1334
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,400
like globally at least, are 
built on like false, a false 

1335
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,680
premise or a sort of 
performativity of who you are, 

1336
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:23,439
you know, like, oh, I also like 
this book or my go to someone's 

1337
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,520
Facebook, you know, back when we
were in high school, Like what 

1338
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,720
are their favorite movies? 
I like the notebook. 

1339
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,080
Like shit like that. 
Obviously there's more 

1340
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,399
consequences to doing something 
that manipulative when you have 

1341
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:37,000
like a grown adult mind, which 
is a little bit more funny in an

1342
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,200
absurd way, but also kind of 
scary to see Pattinson do what 

1343
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,240
he is doing. 
And they also clocked that he 

1344
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,680
has a lot of anxiety when that 
meet cute because he's like 

1345
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,880
seeing the ways in which people 
around him are looking at him. 

1346
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,680
But he's sort of just like 
hallucinating about it. 

1347
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,319
If you remember when he tries to
take a picture of the book. 

1348
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:56,080
Oh, yes, yeah. 
Anyways, he's really good as 

1349
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:03,160
this sort of like jittery Hugh 
Grant that is spiraling out into

1350
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:09,439
this more squirmy and awkward, 
chaotic, anxious ridden museum 

1351
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:14,640
guy museum guy. 
And I some, for whatever reason,

1352
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,479
like I do feel like, I don't 
know. 

1353
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,760
Do you think that this movie 
ends in a way where you think 

1354
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,840
that their relationship is going
to work? 

1355
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,760
That's. 
An interesting question because 

1356
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,120
I think. 
It's sort of confronting you 

1357
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,640
about monogamy as like, 
inherently, like, violent. 

1358
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,520
I think it's like confronting 
you. 

1359
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,359
Like, it's not by accident that 
you're seeing the scarred person

1360
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:35,920
in Sunday's character at the end
with her gown. 

1361
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,600
And then you see Pattinson 
covered in blood and his you 

1362
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:44,800
know, that I think on their 
wedding day, basically him 

1363
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,520
getting his ass beat that he 
never, you know, he never got 

1364
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:48,760
jumped for what he did in high 
school. 

1365
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,080
And that was like he got he got 
what he deserved for like cyber 

1366
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,720
bullying somebody. 
And then she basically lost 

1367
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,720
everything that she built 
because she built like a sort of

1368
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,960
like new life for herself on 
lies. 

1369
01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:04,240
And so like now she's kind of 
starting over. 

1370
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:05,400
So I found that kind of 
interesting. 

1371
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,280
That's like a constant motif 
throughout the film that she's 

1372
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,760
playing this game where they're 
like, starting over, where 

1373
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,840
they're meeting each other for 
the first time because of how 

1374
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,480
many, how many lies? 
There's like a foundation of 

1375
01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:15,080
lies that the relationship is 
built on. 

1376
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,040
Yeah, that's interesting. 
So I don't know. 

1377
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,520
I don't know if they end up to. 
I think I think that's why it 

1378
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,560
was a tragedy at the end, 
because I did think they were 

1379
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,240
going to be together because it 
was like her saying I forgive 

1380
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,200
you at the end almost when 
they're like, you know, do you 

1381
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,480
come here often? 
Did he? 

1382
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:34,560
Say it was nice to meet you or 
it was nice meeting you. 

1383
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,880
At the end of the movie. 
I couldn't tell what he said. 

1384
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,240
And that's a big difference, the
big distinction between the two 

1385
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,920
when she when she was there 
playing a game and they were at 

1386
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,720
the the diner I. 
Thought he said it's nice to 

1387
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,880
meet you. 
OK, interesting. 

1388
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,120
I thought he said it was nice to
meet you and I thought that was 

1389
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:50,000
what would. 
Be the difference. 

1390
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:50,680
Oh. 
Goodbye. 

1391
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,760
Oh, I was like they just met 
each other for the first time 

1392
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,680
for real. 
Because like now, they know each

1393
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,560
other, who they are. 
Like. 

1394
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,160
She's he's her bully and she's 
the person he victimized. 

1395
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,360
And it's like it can't tell if 
they're parting ways or they're 

1396
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,880
starting a new. 
Anyways, I just found that 

1397
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,240
fascinating. 
It's a pretty like, you know, 

1398
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,080
we're not like the most, I mean,
we're married, but like, it's 

1399
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,640
not like we think monogamy is 
like this great institution. 

1400
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,760
So like I it's a pretty like 
scathing takedown of 

1401
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,160
relationships, weddings, 
weddings as performance. 

1402
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,520
You're all of your OPS being 
there, but people are supposed 

1403
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,160
to be the people who love you. 
I guess now we can go to the 

1404
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,120
sporting performances just 
really quickly because we didn't

1405
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,200
really talk about her at all. 
Alana Heim, wait, wait. 

1406
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,320
Did you? 
Think they were not going to be 

1407
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,320
together then? 
I thought it was, I thought it 

1408
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,240
was sort of a break up, but it 
could be more of a phantom 

1409
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,000
thread situation, which is why I
thought a phantom thread because

1410
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,000
Woodcock is basically almost 
bully if you will, and vice 

1411
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,600
versa. 
So that's interesting you. 

1412
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,040
Know there just last thing to 
bring up. 

1413
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,240
I think, I think that this movie
is making me think a lot about 

1414
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,760
like a few good men and that you
can't handle the truth scene of 

1415
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,240
like how those are interpreted 
differently and how I think that

1416
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:03,160
there's a little bit of like you
can't handle the truth in this 

1417
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,240
movie. 
That makes it like feel like off

1418
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,040
to me. 
And that that's like what I keep

1419
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,680
trying to locate, although I 
think it is thoughtful in other 

1420
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,280
ways. 
Well, just because I just to 

1421
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,240
note this, Kelsey and I have 
been together since senior year 

1422
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,160
of high school. 
So like, we know a lot about 

1423
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,720
each other's childhoods, but I 
do think this movie is going to 

1424
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,240
start really provoke really 
uncomfortable conversations 

1425
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,880
between couples who met each 
other in their 20s and 30s You. 

1426
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,680
Think when people leave the 
movie, they're going to be like 

1427
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,600
asking the same question. 
No, I'm dead ass. 

1428
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:31,800
Yeah, I think that is going to 
happen. 

1429
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,760
And I'm, I'm curious to see how 
that's if there's going to be 

1430
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,120
any horror stories from this 
movie about like, what is the 

1431
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,200
worst thing that you've ever 
done in your childhood? 

1432
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:44,240
Because like if I did find out 
that like if I'm, if I'm 30 

1433
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,080
getting married to somebody and 
I met them two or three years 

1434
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,320
ago and I found out that they 
spent a year cyberbullying 

1435
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,480
somebody and they like left the 
district, I'd be like, I let me 

1436
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:53,320
just like reflect on this. 
This is pretty heavy. 

1437
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,560
Like that's a not in a judge 
mental way, but like you do 

1438
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,000
reassess who you're with. 
And that's actually not that 

1439
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,280
crazy of a conceit. 
Like I can imagine that 

1440
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,360
happening to people right before
wedding days, especially when 

1441
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,240
you're getting super vulnerable 
and they give all these loved 

1442
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:07,720
ones and everything's kind of 
volatile. 

1443
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:09,560
Anyways, I found that 
interesting. 

1444
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,160
Well, I think also the the 
premise that that you were 

1445
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,240
talking about with monogamy too,
which is interesting. 

1446
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:18,280
Like and we I forget what part 
it was, but we were always, we 

1447
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,760
were like laughing because I was
like saying the reasons I love 

1448
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,600
you or whatever. 
And it all sounded like not, I 

1449
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:31,040
guess what people would count as
like this, like imagined like, 

1450
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,480
Yeah, I. 
Guess yeah. 

1451
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,760
Traditional like marriage of 
what? 

1452
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:41,040
But I think that there is like 
this interesting thing of like 

1453
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:47,040
especially with monogamy being 
so rooted and like these, I 

1454
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,000
guess like practices of like 
gender difference and stuff and 

1455
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:56,360
like man and wife or whatever. 
It also there's a lot of like 

1456
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,800
the premise in the movie that it
that it's like addressing 

1457
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,360
towards, I guess marriage. 
It is like that you don't like 

1458
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,600
know each other and are like, 
there are a lot of different 

1459
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:13,560
things that are constructed like
barriers of like, well, this is 

1460
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,560
what men do and this is what 
women do in a relationship. 

1461
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,680
And like, you can't talk to each
other. 

1462
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,880
Does that make sense? 
Like they're supposed to be 

1463
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,720
secrets or something? 
You know, I mean, like, I think 

1464
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,240
that might be a little different
now. 

1465
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,800
Like that is changing now. 
But I mean, like, certainly, you

1466
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:32,880
know, that that has been a part 
of like heterosexual 

1467
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,040
relationships that like our 
marriage seeking for a long time

1468
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:40,120
of like not fully knowing each 
other, you know, like where, you

1469
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,560
know, people in the past were 
totally fine with like marrying 

1470
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:48,120
someone of a different like 
political affiliation for. 

1471
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,560
Example. 
Yeah, not knowing you, who they 

1472
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,120
voted for, which is interesting.
Yeah, that's a nightmare. 

1473
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,560
There's a movie for you, this 
film maker, quickly on Elanaheim

1474
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:58,760
before we just kind of get to 
the pop. 

1475
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,120
That would be a great thriller. 
Wait, hang on. 

1476
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,280
The drama too? 
Yeah, a woman finds out that her

1477
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:10,800
husband voted for Trump. 
Yeah, yeah, that kind of goes 

1478
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,520
back to and that goes back to I 
guess I never introduced this, 

1479
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,640
but my only I haven't really 
criticized the movie outside of 

1480
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,080
the things that you already 
spoke so like well about. 

1481
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,480
But my only critique of this 
film. 

1482
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:25,480
I guess my biggest criticism is 
whether the conceit fully holds 

1483
01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:27,640
up by the end of the of the 
movie on re watch. 

1484
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,000
Because I think obviously it's 
really insightful on on violence

1485
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,960
in American culture and how 
quickly our country is to indict

1486
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,240
violent actions but not prevent 
violent actions. 

1487
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,360
It's very smart on that point. 
I guess what I was skeptical 

1488
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,640
about when thinking about it on 
maybe re watching it eventually.

1489
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,760
What might not work as well and 
re watch is do we actually judge

1490
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,040
people for their thoughts to the
extent that this movie suggests?

1491
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,160
Or is this movie exaggerating 
that to make a broader point, if

1492
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:55,360
that makes sense. 
I don't know if this is like a 

1493
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,560
nitpick, but like because you 
have to like suspend logic a 

1494
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,200
little bit to believe that 
everyone would react this 

1495
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,120
strongly to Zendaya's character 
reveal, at least in my opinion. 

1496
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,640
Like, I don't know if this is 
like, if this how realistic that

1497
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:10,480
is. 
I know the movie's not 

1498
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:12,000
interested in realism. 
It's more interesting like 

1499
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,120
exposing contradictions in 
culture. 

1500
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:20,760
But anyways, like I don't know 
how much like the concept of 

1501
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,320
like we judge people for their 
thoughts. 

1502
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,240
Like that just feels like an 
interesting contrivance of this 

1503
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,680
movie, like thought of just to 
make its contradictions work. 

1504
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,400
So I guess on rewatch, that 
might be kind of boring to 

1505
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,240
rewatch that part, yeah. 
I don't think I'll. 

1506
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,120
I walked away literally thinking
I don't think I'll ever rewatch 

1507
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:36,000
this. 
Interesting. 

1508
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,720
OK, yeah, quickly on Al Anaheim,
'cause we're fans of liquor's 

1509
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,080
pizza, Paul Thomas Anderson, 
obviously one of her favorite 

1510
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:44,760
directors. 
She's great in that movie. 

1511
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,880
I loved her as Alana and 
Licorice Pizza. 

1512
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:52,240
I thought she had a really great
like kind of gritty, 

1513
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:58,360
interesting, like outspoken 
performance there and she really

1514
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,760
like met the character. 
I and that movie only works if 

1515
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,440
you watch it from her lens. 
Yes, yeah. 

1516
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,080
I don't think she was cast 
correctly here. 

1517
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,880
Miss cast and 1 battle after 
another and this movie 

1518
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,120
certainly, yeah. 
Yeah, she really stuck out. 

1519
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,280
And even though she wasn't in 
one battle after another that 

1520
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,160
much, when I saw her, I was 
like, what is she doing here? 

1521
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:22,720
And then here too, I think the 
the speech that she gave was 

1522
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,480
like extremely cringy. 
And I think it was funny because

1523
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:28,920
it was actually like commenting 
just more broadly on like, even 

1524
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,280
when speeches aren't that 
cringy, there's always like 

1525
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,960
nerves around. 
Like, you know, like I've never 

1526
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,080
been to a wedding where like 
someone has inherently like 

1527
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,760
called someone out and been like
malicious. 

1528
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,720
But at the same time, I've been 
in a lot of weddings where there

1529
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,440
are cringy things that happen 
because it's like public 

1530
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:51,080
speaking or someone says 
something like that. 

1531
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:55,520
It's like, you know, like an, an
insult to the, to the person 

1532
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,040
that they don't mean or 
something right? 

1533
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,520
Like, And so I think it was like
playing with that idea with 

1534
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,200
weddings like you were talking 
about. 

1535
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,080
But that scene just like didn't 
work for me beyond it being a 

1536
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,600
like, feel bad anxiety inducing 
scene. 

1537
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,000
But I just, I just thought her 
performance was like a little 

1538
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:16,320
bit out of place and like, felt 
a little bit exaggerated 

1539
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,440
compared to like Zendaya 
Pattinson. 

1540
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:22,120
And then I'm forgetting the 
actor who plays her husband. 

1541
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,240
But they, I think they all had 
like a little bit more like 

1542
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,280
grounded performances. 
And I know that she was playing 

1543
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:31,160
someone who is like, supposed to
be a little bit like, you know? 

1544
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,240
More vain. 
Yeah, but also like having an 

1545
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,520
exaggerated reaction, but yeah. 
But she felt a little 

1546
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:37,440
cartoonish. 
Yeah. 

1547
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:38,880
Yeah. 
It was a little bit too 

1548
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,080
heightened. 
I agree. 

1549
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,320
I did think she had moments that
were really good, like when she 

1550
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,880
was telling, like, shushing her 
husband, like when they're 

1551
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,440
upstairs in the building before 
Pattinson meets the cousin 

1552
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:48,400
outside. 
Oh, yeah. 

1553
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,600
But she's really good in that 
moment, too. 

1554
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:50,760
He's. 
We probably have not said 

1555
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,600
enough. 
He's very funny in this movie. 

1556
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,960
Yeah. 
Like, extraordinarily funny. 

1557
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,920
Like he's obviously very funny 
in movies like The Lighthouse or

1558
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,560
other films too, but I don't 
know if he's going to get out of

1559
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,400
credit for what he's up to 
comedically in this film. 

1560
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,400
Like there's a lot of physical 
comedy gags that he's doing. 

1561
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,120
But yeah, to your point, I do 
think like she is supposed to be

1562
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,840
an audience stand in, but they 
kind of push that too much with 

1563
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,280
the dial to 11 because then it's
sort of distances you. 

1564
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:19,800
I do like when her husband Mama 
do a thief who's like when she's

1565
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,000
like, I'm going to give the 
fucking speech. 

1566
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,560
She's like fuck, Oh my God. 
Yeah, well, oh, no. 

1567
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,560
I love when he's like, we're at 
a wedding get together, you 

1568
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:32,080
know, like, yeah. 
The DJ thing, I think we already

1569
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,520
kind of talked about that the 
wedding is the final act, the. 

1570
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,440
DJ Also the aux cable like 
during the dad's speech was 

1571
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,360
really like, I think a shocking 
moment in our I. 

1572
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,760
Thought you got shot. 
Yeah, that was the moment it got

1573
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,000
me. 
Yeah, the the DJ conversation 

1574
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,000
was funny at the very beginning 
of him talking about his like 

1575
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,240
tech. 
And yeah, there was also. 

1576
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,960
A few with the podcast set up. 
The, the, like, woman who works 

1577
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,040
with Pattinson. 
That whole conversation was just

1578
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,320
like a really great scene. 
I I think it was probably the 

1579
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,720
best scene in the movie. 
One of them, yeah. 

1580
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,040
You might be right. 
I think they're separate moments

1581
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,320
where I was like, oh, like 
Pattinson's giving a great 

1582
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,760
performance here outside of the 
sceners today is giving a great 

1583
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,960
performance here emotionally, 
like outside of that scene. 

1584
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:18,160
But I think in terms of like 
being locked into a scene that 

1585
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,080
that scene felt like very back 
and forth, you know, and like, 

1586
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:28,040
like ping Pong and her. 
She was just like delivering her

1587
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,920
responses, like, yeah, like, 
isn't that what you do? 

1588
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,680
And and then so it was, you 
know, at the end of the movie 

1589
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,600
when she like tells Blake 
basically who's. 

1590
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,520
Playing Batman in this movie. 
Yeah, he's so he's playing. 

1591
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,000
Ben Affleck's Batman against 
Pattinson's Batman. 

1592
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,360
And then he head butts Robert 
Battinson. 

1593
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,720
Like I thought I was going to 
punch him, but head butting is 

1594
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,200
insane. 
And then she comes over and 

1595
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,160
she's like, Blake. 
Use your words like. 

1596
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,560
They show a lot of Himes 
characters screaming at him, 

1597
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,080
which I thought was interesting.
Oh, screaming at Blake, I think.

1598
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:02,840
Interesting, yeah, but yeah. 22 
Last thing last two things I. 

1599
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,600
Also like the the the small 
detail of like the song That's 

1600
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,640
the day of plays or Robert 
Pattinson is in a bad mood. 

1601
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,800
I like that, too. 
Yeah, there's a lot of quirks in

1602
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:12,200
a relationship. 
I wish I knew the characters a 

1603
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,760
little bit more, but I think 
that's part of the point. 

1604
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:14,840
They don't really know each 
other. 

1605
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,600
I think the wedding was really 
well shot, but lots of lots of 

1606
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,240
tension in the filmmaking, a lot
of judgement exploding at once. 

1607
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,080
Very chaotic, very 
uncomfortable, very up, 

1608
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,200
upsetting and unsettling. 
There's not like a clean 

1609
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,800
catharsis. 
I felt like I needed one again. 

1610
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,560
That's sort of the point. 
The only thing I'll say about 

1611
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:37,720
this movie again as a kind of a 
final critique as we kind of and

1612
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:42,520
the pod and maybe do our final 
thoughts or extra credits is I 

1613
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,680
was really confused about the 
the the pace of this movie 

1614
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,040
because it's about 100 minutes, 
but it felt like it was 2 plus 

1615
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,080
hours. 
And do you think they could just

1616
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,560
cut the flashbacks and give us a
90 minute movie? 

1617
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,240
And we don't need some of the 
comedic beats in those 

1618
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,560
flashbacks, even though they 
work in the context of those 

1619
01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:59,840
flashbacks. 
And they could get rid of the 

1620
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,240
whole conceit of like young 
Zendaya's character in the place

1621
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,360
of older Zendaya's character to 
show that there's sort of like a

1622
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,840
psychological stuntedness. 
I think they could have 

1623
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,920
expressed that through Zendaya's
performance because she's so 

1624
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:14,440
dynamic in this movie. 
And I think you probably could 

1625
01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:16,760
have cut off literally like 10 
minutes of the movie. 

1626
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:18,600
Yeah. 
I mean, I think a lot of it 

1627
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,640
could be cut. 
OK, extra credits. 

1628
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,760
I'm going to give extra credit 
to Zendaya. 

1629
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,120
So we rewatch Challengers right 
before the drama. 

1630
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:30,000
A great idea. 
Lucas sports ROM com had such a 

1631
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,800
fun time, a great time. 
And something I realized while 

1632
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,000
watching that movie is, yes, the
filmmaking, the editing, the use

1633
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,200
of the score, everything is so 
immersive. 

1634
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,800
It's so powerful. 
It's so propulsive, but a lot of

1635
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:46,000
the propulsive cinematic choices
we're running through what 

1636
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,080
Zendaya is up to in that film. 
And I really don't think even 

1637
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,520
though I've like had some, I've 
been a little suspicious of her,

1638
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,760
like some of the dramatic acting
from her, like the Spider Man 

1639
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,640
movies or the Dune films, 
Challengers. 

1640
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,680
And now this movie is like, we 
need to get her and more stuff. 

1641
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,560
And she just said she's going to
take a break after this year. 

1642
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,400
She's going to have an exciting 
year. 

1643
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,880
I mean the Spider Man film, the 
Dune movie, Euphoria Spider Man.

1644
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,400
We don't watch Euphoria got. 
A busy 2026? 

1645
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:13,600
Yeah, we don't, but still a lot 
of attention and credit that we 

1646
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,440
gave Mike Feist and Josh 
O'Connor that I think O'Connor 

1647
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:19,240
really deserves more than Feist.
And Feist is pretty good in it. 

1648
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,800
O'Connor's excellent in it. 
I think she deserved a lot more 

1649
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,200
credit at the time. 
And rewatching and I'm like, 

1650
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,480
holy shit. 
Like she is doing the most and 

1651
01:23:27,480 --> 01:23:29,880
trying to make you believe in 
this love triangle and also 

1652
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,080
unpack what it is 
psychologically and with the 

1653
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:34,480
drama. 
What's really interesting about 

1654
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:37,000
this career move and why I want 
to give her extra credit is that

1655
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,600
she could have easily settled 
into a traditional movie star 

1656
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,720
lane of Julia Roberts and Rachel
McAdams. 

1657
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:48,160
Not to say that their careers 
were easy, but she is so famous 

1658
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,080
that she probably could have 
just done an evolution of 

1659
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,000
McAdams in particular and 
someone who could have just 

1660
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,600
like, entered into like more 
corny or cheesy romantic films 

1661
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,480
with charisma and likeability. 
But instead she's doing things 

1662
01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:02,720
that are like really strange and
like kind of off putting and 

1663
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,160
psychologically complicated and 
pretty dark. 

1664
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,440
And so I just want to give her 
credit because I, I know people 

1665
01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:10,320
don't think about it this way. 
And because I somebody in my 

1666
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,920
comments when I did a video on 
her recently was like, she's not

1667
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,200
like Julia Rachel McAdams, like 
she's never done a ROM com. 

1668
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:16,960
I'm like, have you seen the 
spider man films? 

1669
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,680
Those are romantic comedies. 
Those are John Hughes movies. 

1670
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,880
Like those are not that's basic.
Those are movies are basically 

1671
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,560
breakfast club more than they 
are like Sam Raimi spider man. 

1672
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,600
Does that make sense? 
And so like the superhero genre 

1673
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:32,440
has consumed comedies and 
romance films and action movies,

1674
01:24:32,440 --> 01:24:33,920
like multiple genres. 
So sad. 

1675
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,600
It was deeply depressing. 
So she's already played in that 

1676
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,240
world. 
She's done Euphoria, she's done 

1677
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:39,960
Malcolm and Marie Challengers, 
Dune. 

1678
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:45,360
Now the drama huge 2026. 
And this is this is maybe her 

1679
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,560
best dramatic performance. 
I think so. 

1680
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,560
Even Challengers is her like 
most iconic one, I think, and I 

1681
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,400
think Johnny and Dune, while she
gets probably more to do than 

1682
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,720
the books gave her to do, which 
is nice, and I think she's great

1683
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,640
chemistry with Chalmay. 
That performance is still a 

1684
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,400
little bit too one note for me 
to give her a lot of credit for 

1685
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:06,880
that one. 
But Challengers and this like 

1686
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:12,200
back-to-back pretty awesome. 
I yeah, I agree my extra credit 

1687
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,680
went too. 
I guess it's not fair but 

1688
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,480
Tuesday and Pattinson just 
because I I think you're right 

1689
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:22,400
like at the top of the pod. 
This movie doesn't work if it 

1690
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:29,000
isn't experienced as a romantic 
comedy and like they're making 

1691
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,880
that possible and it it is wild 
again that I like literally 

1692
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,000
suspended disbelief and thought 
of them as a couple. 

1693
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,600
But when they made out in the 
museum, I was like, I kind of 

1694
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,160
see this, like, this is working.
But I saw them like, not as the 

1695
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,200
actors. 
Exactly as, like, awkward New 

1696
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:46,760
Yorkers. 
Yes, yeah, yeah. 

1697
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:51,520
So, well, they weren't. 
The funny thing is, I it was set

1698
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,520
in Boston, I think. 
Oh, why did I think I? 

1699
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,040
Thought it was in New York too. 
It was giving a very like New 

1700
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:02,360
York vibe in terms of but it, it
was a Boston, Yeah, anyway. 

1701
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:06,400
But I I think their performances
carried the movie so. 

1702
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:10,960
OK, that was the extra credits 
of the drama and Zendaya and 

1703
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,480
Pattinson in particular. 
We'll be back soon. 

1704
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,080
Actually, that's not true. 
We'll be back maybe in a few 

1705
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,800
weeks with maybe one of those 
episodes of what we've been 

1706
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,080
watching. 
There's not a lot coming out the

1707
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,680
next few weeks that I think 
needs a deep dive on the main 

1708
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,200
feed. 
But I think we're going to watch

1709
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,400
a lot of, there's a lot of 
streaming movies coming out that

1710
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,480
look like fun survival films. 
On Patreon, we just put all the 

1711
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:35,800
list of movies are coming out 
this month and there's a The 

1712
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,000
Mummy remake. 
There's a horror remake of The 

1713
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,720
Mummy. 
I don't know what happened to 

1714
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,120
the IP there, but it got taken 
by somebody and they're making a

1715
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,200
horror version of it. 
Even though there's a The Mummy 

1716
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,280
four or The Mummy five with 
Brendan Fraser and Rachel Vices 

1717
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,800
coming out next year now. 
Wow, we should definitely have a

1718
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:54,720
conversation about like weirdly 
recycled IP that like just keeps

1719
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,240
trying to happen. 
The Mummy is certainly one of 

1720
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:01,400
those things. 
And the pit ends in two weeks, 

1721
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,080
so we'll probably cover the pit 
on the main feed, I'd imagine. 

1722
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,480
Because on Patreon this month 
we're doing romantic 

1723
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:07,760
blockbusters. 
We're starting with The 

1724
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:08,920
Notebook. 
Very excited. 

1725
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:12,120
We're going to The Mummy and 
then we're going to Speed 

1726
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,160
because Keanu Reeves and Sandra 
Bullock, no one's ever had 

1727
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,280
Potter chemistry. 
No one has ever the studio 

1728
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,560
blockbuster has ever even. 
Yeah, it's amazing. 

1729
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,320
Yeah, that was some. 
That was a good movie and great,

1730
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:25,800
great acting from those or was 
it acting? 

1731
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:30,280
That's our central question 
going into that episode and. 

1732
01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:32,200
We'll talk about Rachel Vice. 
Yeah. 

1733
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:33,360
Oh, hell yeah. 
Yeah. 

1734
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,560
There's a lot of, like, just all
time stars, young Trey and 

1735
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,320
Kelsey, like, crushes in those 
movies. 

1736
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:39,520
So I'm excited to talk about 
them. 

1737
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:40,440
All right. 
Peace. 

1738
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:41,120
Bye.