1 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,400 Music. Hello and welcome to the extra 2 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,440 credits of Paul Thomas Anderson's One Battle After 3 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,520 Another. I'm Trey. 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,200 And I'm Kelsey. PTA is back, and surprise, 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,880 surprise, he made another great film. 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,200 Yeah. This was our number one most 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,000 anticipated movie of the year. And people are now calling it a 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,720 modern masterpiece, one of the best movies of the 21st century. 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,960 It is getting universal acclaim. Some people think it's going to 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,120 win best picture. And even though I think I need 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,840 to see it a second time before getting to those high marks, I 12 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,320 love PTA and I love this movie. What are your initial thoughts? 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,440 Which is a lot to ask because this is a three hour, like, 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,720 sprawling epic. Yeah. 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,320 No, I mean, I think I'm in the same space as like, I am not 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:04,239 like, whoa, this is the the best movie of the decade, but I do 17 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:08,880 think like it is APTA movie that I got to see in theaters with a 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,200 bunch of other people, which is awesome, just amazing. 19 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,880 Right. Like we, I felt like it was a 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,280 countdown for my week where I was like, OK, four days till 21 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,600 PTA, like 2 days till me too. And so that was, that was just 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,520 fun and it was a, a new world, you know, to, to enter into, 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,400 which is what I think is so refreshing about PTA movies. 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,480 And I, I think a lot of people like, feel that way that we're 25 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,760 entering into a new space with each one of his projects. 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,800 And Leonardo DiCaprio was so fun to see in this movie also, 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,280 right? Like he nailed the tone and 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,560 humor that is really special about the the PTA project and 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,760 kind of like how he explores men, which we'll definitely talk 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,320 about today. Yes, the balance of tragedy and 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,000 comedy, but also just like there's something pathetic about 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,360 a lot of the men that he explores that is really silly 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,640 and strangely endearing. So yeah, let's start with our 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,760 relationship to PTA. So Licorice Pizza was his last 35 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,840 movie that came out from a few years ago now. 36 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,640 It was the movie that inspired us to make this podcast. 37 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,880 Actually. It was our first episode and 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,720 we're currently in APTA re watch, as I assume many 39 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,440 listeners are as well. And we're covering Boogie Nights 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,560 and There Will Be Blood on Patreon right now. 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,160 So that's very exciting. Yes, I'm so excited to do those 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,520 two episodes. Why do you think we both love 43 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,320 his work? Why do you think that this is 44 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,880 one of our shared favorite film makers? 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,880 What is it about his project that is so appealing to both of 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,840 us? Well, I think, you know, we 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,880 talked about this on our Phantom Thread episode a little bit, 48 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,280 which I'm assuming we're giving away for free on Patreon. 49 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:46,160 We are Phantom Thread as well as AV Rockwell's 1001 in a 50 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,720 conversation we have with AV Rockwell in that episode is 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,760 going to be released in the free episodes section for free 52 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,000 members on our Patreon. So you can check the description 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,200 of this episode and you can sign up as a free member and listen 54 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,360 to I think like 12 free episodes on Patreon right now. 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,840 One of them being PT as Phantom Thread which we had a three hour 56 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,560 discussion on and ranked his movies at the end which was a 57 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,240 lot of fun. Which I think has probably 58 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,480 changed for me now, which we'll revisit on like the either 59 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Boogie Nights or or There I. Don't even know what we said so 60 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,200 it probably changed for me as well. 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,800 And that AV Rockwell conversation was really cool. 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,360 We also, strangely enough, talked about Battle of Algiers 63 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,800 on that episode. Right, because that's one of AVS 64 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,120 like favorite movies. Yeah, it's a movie she thought 65 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,160 about while making 1001, and that movie stars Tiana Taylor. 66 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,640 And obviously Tiana Taylor is one of the stars of 1 Battle 67 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:32,160 After Another. So I I figured those would be 68 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,720 two episodes that will be helpful to drop on Patreon. 69 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,960 And we'll talk a little bit more about 1001 when we get to like, 70 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,280 the beginning of the movie and Tiana Taylor's performance, 71 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,040 which was great as well in this movie. 72 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,200 But I think in terms of, like, why, you know, PTA is a shared 73 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,600 favorite of ours. Is that like, like I said 74 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,480 before, right, it does feel like he has different unique 75 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,320 characters, unique tone and vision and world that he's able 76 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,080 to really like, realize in each one of his films. 77 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,560 But also, like, he looks at obsessive people and like, we're 78 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,840 pretty obsessive people. So probably like Fincher, yeah, 79 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,560 very similar. So I I think that might also be 80 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,680 part of it. Like you're just absolutely 81 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,480 sucked into his worlds, right. I I feel like I don't check my 82 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,000 phone much when I'm watching his movies. 83 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,600 There's not a lot of like downtime once you're really in 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,360 it. And his characters also are kind 85 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,160 of like mysteries in themselves, right? 86 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,840 His his movies, especially like the Master, for example, demand 87 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:33,640 a rewatch. And so I think like the balance 88 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,200 between the humor that he creates through also very self 89 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,480 serious people. And you know, Phantom Thread is 90 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:46,640 like my personal favorite from PTA to like Reynolds Woodcock as 91 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,240 like a character also like put in this. 92 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,480 So the humor comes from a grounded place of like the the 93 00:04:52,480 --> 00:05:00,160 kind of ironic like obsession that this person has, but then 94 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,360 like it's kind of turned on the character of how self serious 95 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,320 they are by another character that can either come out in 96 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,560 comedy, like even in there will be blood or tragedy in other 97 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,840 movies. And I think he just like 98 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:16,000 balances those tones so well. So and and you know, when you 99 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,240 think of something like his last movie, Licorice Pizza, that was 100 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,320 more like AI think like a love letter to San Fernando Valley in 101 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,040 terms of like the way that he shot it. 102 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:31,920 He is able to capture a place so well where you feel like you are 103 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,040 in this dreamy, right realization of a world, but also 104 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,720 like grounded and you feel like the pavement, right, that like 105 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,920 Cooper Hoffman is running across when it's like so hot outside. 106 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,680 And it's just PT as fucked up, messy version of a coming of age 107 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,320 movie. And it was like a slice of life 108 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,200 story in which he hadn't been able to make up to that point, 109 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,480 which was interesting to see him in that lane. 110 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,000 And it's fascinating to watch him go from like a fifteen, $20 111 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,840 million budget in that to now this, which is like $150 112 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:01,800 million, which is, you know, far exceeds any scale he's ever been 113 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,920 at. And he successfully showed that 114 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,960 he could play in any genre that he wants to. 115 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:11,720 It makes you, it grounds your level of, I don't know what to 116 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,080 call it, maybe glorifying of the Christopher Nolans and Denive 117 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,960 Elnavs, which I can be guilty of sometimes. 118 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,760 Because you're like, how do they make these $200 million movies 119 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,080 consistently? And they're so epic. 120 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,240 And you watch Paul Tom Sanderson, who is like truly 121 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,320 like this art house filmmaker that has somehow made it into 122 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,520 the mainstream after these ten years, inspired by some of the 123 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,000 great ones who have done that before him, like a Scorsese or 124 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,680 Spike Lee or an Altman or Jonathan Demme and Sidney Lumet 125 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,640 and Pakula. And yet PTA comes back with this 126 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,480 movie and he's like, you know what, fuck it, I'm going to try 127 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,320 to make a movie on that scale to show you that, you know, there 128 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,840 are directors in the art fields like these kind of more 129 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,960 independent scenes that can make movies like this. 130 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,800 It's just that we don't always do that. 131 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,240 And so I think that's pretty cool about this as well for, you 132 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,640 know, to continue his project here with only his 10th movie. 133 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,080 The reason I love PTA, and I think the reason we both do 134 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,520 outside of just the obsessives, is he makes multi toned movies 135 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,160 about really flawed, ambitious people, and he finds those 136 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,160 people to be very cinematic. And so do we. 137 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,840 And yes, they're usually obsessive characters. 138 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,280 Characters who work hard, characters who need control, 139 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,160 characters who can't quite explain why they have the messy 140 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,160 behavior that they have. And because of that, a lot of 141 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,520 them are usually like these lonely, isolated, sometimes 142 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:29,480 pathetic strivers. And his storytelling is novelist 143 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,000 like, you know, it's like at a novelist level, it's so 144 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,720 thematically dense. It's always circling big ideas 145 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,320 about myth, about the cost of family, of making a found 146 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,200 family, the the cost of the American dream or the corrosive 147 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,200 cost of it. And he's also just, you know, 148 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,160 really experimental at playing with your sense of tone as an 149 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,000 audience member. His filmmaking is so 150 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,240 unpredictable and he has a real allergy to complacency where all 151 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,280 of his movies at this point in his career feel like they're a 152 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,680 little off Key in that, you know, includes that Johnny 153 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,640 Greenwood score that he comes back to in a lot of his. 154 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:02,640 Movies. Yeah, He's like purposely 155 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,440 offbeat. Yeah, and the the the score, the 156 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,080 Sonic energy kind of matches the visual energy. 157 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,240 And also the albums that he chooses in his movies, like the 158 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,920 soundtrack is wild. And one battle after another. 159 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,680 I don't think we'll get to all of it today, but there's a good 160 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Jackson 5 music drop in this movie. 161 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,000 That's unreal when you see DiCaprio escaping out of the 162 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,400 hospital. No spoilers yet. 163 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,440 And yeah, his movies just also feel deeply real about the human 164 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,800 experience. Like, because I, I don't how do 165 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,039 I say this without seeing like, super pretentious. 166 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,440 Like, I guess I guess the best word to use. 167 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,360 The thing about PTA is absurd. Some of his movies feel like 168 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,520 warmly absurd. And that's sometimes what it 169 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,640 feels like being a human being in your day-to-day life. 170 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,400 Sometimes your life can feel tragic in one moment, it can 171 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,200 feel darkly hilarious in the next moment, and then feel warm 172 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,440 and emotionally quiet sometimes. And his ability to transition 173 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,160 between emotions through his character journeys is so 174 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,760 seamless. And he makes me leap in those 175 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,440 different registers without really, you know, reflecting on 176 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,560 it. And it feels like it's just a 177 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:04,240 complete package. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, 178 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,040 if we consider something like Punch Drunk Love right, where 179 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,880 this is maybe his most absurd movie, it still feels like the 180 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,600 things that Adam Sandler's character is going through, like 181 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,960 are real. Like buying all this like 182 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:25,320 pudding or like figuring out right the the miles like kind of 183 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,160 mistake in marketing like. When he explains it over dinner 184 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,640 and he's like, there's a barcode on the end of each pudding. 185 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,720 They messed that up. And he's like, he's like almost 186 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,600 doesn't want to tell her, right. He wants to keep the secret. 187 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,360 But I think like, you know, all of the absurd kind of humorous 188 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,240 moments, even within, you know, the the most heightened movie, 189 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,280 which I consider like Punch Drunk Love are still very 190 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,240 grounded in in that they have some sort of like like kernel of 191 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,840 truth in that people feel like they like found something out 192 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,440 right or they're like, right. It's like it's looking at the 193 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,800 absurdity and the tragedy and like the everything in between 194 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,920 of human behavior and, and like these interactions within like 195 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,560 capitalism and and there will be blood or, you know, the the the 196 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,680 ways that like also he he continues to look at like men 197 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:24,360 and this like this project of trying to connect and he and he 198 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,360 really like captures interactions really well. 199 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:27,480 And, and so. Yeah. 200 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,960 I think Phantom Thread, you're right, is is our shared 201 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,040 favorite. I think you said it was your 202 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,040 favorite, but I think it's our you. 203 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,080 Don't think there will be blood as our shared favorite. 204 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,200 No, I'd say Phantom Thread. OK, I mean, maybe we can argue 205 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,840 about that on the There Will Be Blood episode, or we could do it 206 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,120 right here, whatever you're up for. 207 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,440 But I'm ready whenever. I have a competition in me. 208 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,920 I I think I really think that's his most special movie Phantom 209 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,680 thread, because on the surface it's this chamber piece romance 210 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:58,920 about routine and love and genius. 211 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,640 And then you have this large like suggestive subtextual 212 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,800 journey of the study of post war Europe and classism and 213 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,600 anti-Semitism and homophobia in the backdrop that you don't 214 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,440 really need to take in. You know, intellectually you 215 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,480 could just watch that movie as a fucked up dark romance. 216 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,480 You could. But there's so much in that 217 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,080 movie about it being subversively about tortured men 218 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,960 when it's really about these women in the background who make 219 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,360 who make the world work. And it's such an achievement. 220 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,160 And I think it's a it's a Rosetta Stone for the rest of 221 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:34,680 his filmography because it's basically a movie saying that 222 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:38,520 the thesis of his artistic project is that men who are 223 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,640 ruining the world require unconditional love or else like 224 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,880 the. Decent terror or else. 225 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,440 They they demand unconditional love. 226 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,040 Yeah. And there's always a man in one 227 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,600 of his movies that just demands unconditional love. 228 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,720 And I'm not saying that PTA hates men. 229 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,520 I'm not saying that he's like men. 230 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,360 Men are the worst. I don't. 231 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,640 I'm not saying he's not saying that, but I think he's 232 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,040 definitely like, for example, I think Christopher Nolan is one 233 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,440 of the great film makers to be like, here are the highs and 234 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:04,400 lows of men. Yeah. 235 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,360 Bruce Wayne or Batman. You know what I mean? 236 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,520 Oppenheimer, like genocidal mania. 237 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:09,600 Yeah. Like he's like, let me. 238 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Duality of man. The duality of males like. 239 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,240 I mean, take the prestige as a a literal. 240 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,320 Every movie is an example for Christopher Nolan, but he's 241 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,400 like, here are the highs and lows and Paul Thomas Anderson's 242 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:20,560 like, here are the lows and lows. 243 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,800 You know what I mean? Like there's he doesn't really 244 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,440 explore the highs. And I find that to be 245 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,280 fascinating about him. I think it's because he finds 246 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,080 men sort of silly and he respects women at a high level. 247 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,280 So I think that's at the heart of what I love about PTA and his 248 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,440 project. Yeah. 249 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,360 And I think Phantom threat is like a great example and you're 250 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,880 right, like a a kind of really important text to to return to 251 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,160 to see. Like here's what PTA is doing in 252 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,720 all his other movies. I think people would actually 253 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,760 like argue maybe Boogie Nights would be that or there will be 254 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,280 blood or Magnolia or something like that. 255 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,200 But I actually think Phantom Thread is an interesting one to 256 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,600 look at because of the way that he like makes that world so 257 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,920 beautiful. You think of how he opens that 258 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,600 movie with like everyone getting ready and kind of the mundane, 259 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,040 like, you know, elements of someone's life and work and the 260 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,280 ways that he makes that cinematic and also the the ways 261 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,120 that he makes people like he he kind of like captures this 262 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,880 alienation that people are experiencing in beautiful 263 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,720 locations too. Like even when you think of the 264 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,720 master and like walking Phoenix walking on this like gorgeous 265 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,920 boat, right, with the water and the colors are so kind of 266 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,000 calming in that movie. But it's, you know, like Philip 267 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,440 Seymour Hoffman and and Joaquin Phoenix kind of like stick out 268 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,400 like a sore thumb. It feels like their characters 269 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,200 are bright or something in in contrast to the space because of 270 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,160 the the tone that they're able to capture that is like 271 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,360 juxtapose with the setting. And and so like, that is, you 272 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,800 know, it's wild that he's able to capture something like that. 273 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,960 That is, it has so much to do with the the characters, the 274 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,960 visual like cinematic language all being in conversation with 275 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,000 the text and having a lot of the themes be in the background. 276 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:57,800 Yeah. He loves contrasts. 277 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,080 He loves juxtaposing things that really that really feel 278 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,040 beautiful and human to him and then destructive in the same 279 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,920 scene or sequence. Liquorice Pizza has a moment 280 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,720 where, like, the kids are running through, like, all these 281 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,200 cars. Yeah, paused on the highway 282 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,720 because they're out of gas during this oil crisis, and 283 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,760 they're like, living life with the music playing. 284 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,280 Yeah. Meanwhile, all these adults are, 285 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,840 like, falling apart on the highway as no one can move. 286 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,600 And that's a good visual representation of this kind of 287 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,280 like constant contrast that it comes back to about like 288 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,400 American life, which is fascinating. 289 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,880 OK, so 1 battle after another, we're getting into spoilers now. 290 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,680 So if you haven't seen this movie, go see it. 291 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,520 We've only seen it in the big show at the Alamo Draft House, 292 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,520 which was a good experience. But I want to see it in IMAX 293 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,360 because it's playing it. Obviously all the the I wish we 294 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,920 had a 70mm IMAX. We don't have anything like that 295 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,440 here here, but. We talked about the the whole 296 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,920 like IMAX conversation on our last mailbag episode too. 297 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,040 Yeah, I wish we still live near an IMAX. 298 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,920 We didn't realize how good we had it when we were living in 299 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,200 DC. Yeah, I mean, every time I see a 300 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,440 like a letterbox user from LA be like, oh, just saw this on Vista 301 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,160 Vision. I'm like oh so happy for. 302 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,240 You good for you and. We're still privileged of being 303 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:06,640 out here in Denver because we have a lot of access. 304 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,760 I can't imagine being somewhere where you don't have much access 305 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,280 to, like even an IMAX, for example. 306 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,280 Also I should know I am sick today. 307 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,480 Yes, Trey is really soldiering through everyone. 308 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,640 Yeah, it might not sound like it because it's not my voice, but I 309 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,680 just, I've just been like a stomach flu for like the past 310 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,280 three days. Well, I guess, you know, we, we 311 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,400 did talk about also on our mailbag, we got a question about 312 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,920 like, or maybe it just came up the like, people eating in movie 313 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,040 theaters, right? Yeah. 314 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,440 And we were defending the like Alamo experience or just 315 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,840 theaters like that where you can eat food after a long day. 316 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,880 I think I was hardcore defending. 317 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,520 Yeah. I was like, you talk shit about 318 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,680 people who eat at the Alamo Draft House, Fuck you. 319 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,320 Meanwhile, me eating at the Alamo Draft House, coming home 320 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,080 never wanting to eat at the Alamo Draft house ever. 321 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,240 Again, I don't think I'll ever all of her do it again either. 322 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,480 Just from from my experience, I. Blame you. 323 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,560 I blame oncoming monopolies, and I blame the fact that Sony 324 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,040 bought Alamo Drafthouse and that we let that happen as a country. 325 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,880 I blame that because a lot has changed since that purchase 326 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,720 happened after they stopped being independent. 327 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Yeah. Anyways, I still respect 328 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,120 Alamo's. Betray is going through it. 329 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,720 Season pass. But yeah, I just, I don't know 330 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,560 what to say, guys. It's going to be a it's been a 331 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,400 rough few days and I hope it's not a rough podcast. 332 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,000 It's going to be a good episode. Let's do this. 333 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,680 OK, spoilers ahead. To start off, let's try to 334 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,000 define what kind of movie this is. 335 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Even though it's not everyone's most fun exercise, I think it's 336 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,160 a fun exercise, so whatever. Well, yeah, it's so many 337 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,400 different things and people are calling it like PT as action 338 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,800 movie. I don't know if it's necessarily 339 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:38,880 that. So I feel, I feel like it's 340 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,920 worth it. I think it's sort of a Rorschach 341 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,480 test a little bit if you're walking out of this movie being 342 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,080 like, did I watch something Battle of Algiers adjacent or 343 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,000 did I watch something Mad Max adjacent as fascinating or Heat, 344 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,080 right. Like I think it's really 345 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,040 interesting to see how people are take what they're taking 346 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,280 away from this movie, what they felt was emotionally powerful 347 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,360 versus what others thought was emotionally powerful. 348 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,360 It's been really interesting to read in criticism and from just 349 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,800 like regular audiences. So this is a multi toned, multi 350 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:06,880 genre, big budget studio blockbuster. 351 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,240 You said that you don't think this necessarily is an action 352 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,000 movie, but what would you call this? 353 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,640 You said it was like somewhat of like an adventure. 354 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,079 Film, didn't you? I, I immediately thought of like 355 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:20,119 road trip movies, even though that's not necessarily the case. 356 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,800 But I do think that, you know, Leo's character is also like 357 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,320 meeting Benicio del Toro's character and then as like a 358 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,400 guiding figure who who helps him right along the way. 359 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,000 And then he's trying to get to his daughter. 360 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,160 So even though it's not a like Little Miss Sunshine, it's still 361 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:44,040 a movie where he is sort of on this adventure, right, to try to 362 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,560 find his daughter metaphorically, right too. 363 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,520 And how he has to kind of like reflect on his inability to 364 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,360 remember the password and kind of maybe what that means of him 365 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,080 distancing himself from like what he how he's presented at 366 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,960 the the beginning of the movie. And so like, I, I think that to 367 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,720 me it felt more in that vein, not so much an action movie. 368 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:16,040 I think the action was like kind of a subversion in in the movie 369 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,240 almost. That's not the exactly correct 370 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:19,960 word. Maybe I'll get to it as as we 371 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,840 get deeper into this, it was a little. 372 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,480 Bit of a misdirect though, you'd have some like really 373 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,840 politically complicated scenes in the middle of like larger 374 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,280 action set pieces. Yeah, but I wouldn't say that, 375 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,800 you know, it's like a thriller. We have moments of that. 376 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,400 We have like bank heist scenes. We have a lot of really great 377 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,560 car chases. But I don't think it falls on 378 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,840 action or thriller. To me it falls more so on this 379 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:47,000 like emotional through line of Leo having to reflect as a dad 380 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,120 and kind of understand the stakes of of his decisions or 381 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:57,240 like how he is living out his life now in connection to his. 382 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,640 Daughter 100%. I think it it wears many hats, 383 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,920 so I agree with you. I think at times it's like this 384 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,000 adventure, dark comedy, then it turns into a surreal political 385 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,480 espionage, you know, drama. And it feels like it's ripped 386 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:16,880 from the playbook of an Alan Jay Pakula of like, a parallax view 387 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,920 of a Sydney Lumet dogged afternoon. 388 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,600 And it also feels like it's satirizing the hero's journey in 389 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,640 some ways. I saw a lot of illusions to Star 390 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,680 Wars in this film. I mean, you said when, when Sean 391 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,600 Penn walks through the door, when they blow open that door. 392 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:31,920 Dicaprio's house. Yeah. 393 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,440 You're like, they shot it like Vader. 394 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,600 Yeah. And then also the duality of the 395 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,840 father and Obi Wan basically being Leo in this movie. 396 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,400 Like I I thought that was all like effective and like looking 397 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,360 for his Han Solo figure to help, you know, his Luke and Luke 398 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,040 being chase Infinity's character. 399 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,560 I was mapping on a lot of star. Wars Yeah, well, that's also 400 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,080 kind of maps on. I mean, Leo said when he read 401 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,600 the script he thought of Star Wars, right? 402 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,400 And I think that also might have to do with something of being 403 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,280 like almost like an age to Luke, right, But still like starting 404 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,840 where we meet Luke right on Tatooine of like this. 405 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,480 The idea of him being maybe like a little indifferent or feeling 406 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,880 like far away from the fight. Interesting. 407 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,320 Yeah, that isn't, I guess so It's it's it's PTA is the Last 408 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,520 Jedi. This is PTA Star Wars. 409 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,520 But it does feel like it's satirizing Star Wars. 410 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:18,600 It's not. Does that make sense? 411 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,280 It's not totally being like this is my, you know, Paul Thomas 412 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,440 Anderson version of Star Wars and mix of Mad Max. 413 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,680 But though it well, it's sort of it's but it like it's subverting 414 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,240 hero journey ideas because it's giving us Leo DiCaprio as Pat 415 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,160 and later Bob. He changes his name, who is 416 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,920 basically this bumbling non hero who seems to have walked into a 417 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,120 revolutionary force and is more interested in in playing from 418 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:45,680 the outside of a revolution and blowing things up and then 419 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,120 coming in whenever all the job is done and being like, fuck you 420 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:51,760 guys, you fascists while they're down already. 421 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,240 And he didn't really do much of the work. 422 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,200 And you know, there's a lot to say there about the symbolism of 423 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,760 him is like this, this kind of white quote, UN quote, 424 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,520 revolutionary figure. And we'll talk about that. 425 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,760 But his journey in this movie is less about him becoming the hero 426 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,400 and less about saving the world and more about him becoming a 427 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,760 father, somebody who is supportive, somebody is present. 428 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,240 And the real hero of the movie being more of his daughter and 429 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,360 the future generations that she's supposed to represent. 430 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,200 And the people around him who continue to be revolutionaries 431 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,000 even when it becomes too much for their life. 432 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,040 Like Benicio del Toro's character in this movie who who 433 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,680 looks really exhausted, but he's been living the fight and 434 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,480 fighting the fight for the whole time that Bob's been out of it. 435 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,120 Right. Seems that way. 436 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,560 So I think, you know, Bob, basically, I think it's told to 437 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,480 us in a pretty obvious image of Bob watching Battle of Algiers 438 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,760 getting high and then going on the phone in a hilarious 439 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,560 conversation with the codes that used to remember and what time 440 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,960 it was. You'd rather get high and watch 441 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,080 Battle of Algiers than he would get in the middle of actually, 442 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,000 like, fascism and trying to, like, unravel it. 443 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:59,520 Yeah. And I think it's a really well 444 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,400 observed character, but he's kind of at the center of like 445 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,120 these multi genre, multi toned experiments in this film. 446 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,640 Like what what he's going through in this movie also then 447 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,760 changes the genre and tone. And what Leo's doing in this 448 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,360 movie. I think it's actually going to 449 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:12,800 be really underrated. And there's like a great 450 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,560 ensemble here, like I already said, with Benicio Del Toro and 451 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,360 Chase Infinity and Tiana Taylor, Regina Hall, There's a huge 452 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:21,600 cast, Sean Penn as the Darth Vader figure. 453 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,760 But what Leo was able to do to switch between tones with the 454 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,920 movie is so unreal. Yeah. 455 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,040 And I think we really don't give actors enough credit with some 456 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,280 of these PTA movies because you have to imagine how hard it is 457 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,800 to play in a movie that is like multi genre, multi tone like 458 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,200 this, where you're asking actors to be like, this is this is sort 459 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,840 of a tragic moment, but here's why it's also sort of silly and 460 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,040 self important. And so I want you to like walk 461 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,960 that line between being like overly serious, but also nothing 462 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,680 really matters. Like that's a incredibly hard 463 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,920 task. And I think he nails it. 464 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,880 Yeah, I, I definitely think so too. 465 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:59,240 I I think he also has just like, you know, the casting that goes 466 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,320 on like in his movies for like an Adam Sandler to be in a punch 467 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,920 drunk love world and nail that tone is so special. 468 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,440 But like our favorite, you know, PTA movies are Daniel Day Lewis 469 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,200 movies where like he's just an unreal actor who's able to like, 470 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,840 capture the seriousness of the characters. 471 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:24,640 And then the PTA vision is able to like kind of comment on. 472 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,920 And he his acting also brings it to a new level. 473 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,440 And I think Leo is doing like something similar here also that 474 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,360 I think, you know, Philip Seymour Hoffman was able to 475 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:37,680 really like realize in, in his other movies as well. 476 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,200 So yeah, I I do think it's underrated too. 477 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600 Those are the top 2, I'd say. And then probably Joaquin 478 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,840 Phoenix. And then I guess, you know, Leo 479 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,520 is in that pantheon now as well. Yeah, but yeah, this film's 480 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,720 absurd and beautiful and it's, you know, I think you might have 481 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,080 mentioned this, but this also a father daughter movie. 482 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,280 Did you say that It's kind of a little electric father daughter 483 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,720 movie? And it's actually comedy, but it 484 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,800 also is APTA movie. So it's also this larger 485 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,400 portrait of a country built on blood going back to there will 486 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,480 be blood in his through line, other other political through 487 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,280 line of his career. Some people have said that PTA 488 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,560 is not a director, a political film maker. 489 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,400 I think that is like wrong. And I think all of his movies 490 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,680 have been deeply political. And I've always found that to be 491 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,960 a strange note on his films, especially if you, like listen 492 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,760 to any of his interviews over the years or his comments, like 493 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,000 his original commentary on on Boogie Nights, which is like, 494 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,600 there's so many moments of him being like, basically, I want to 495 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,080 be Sidney Lumet, who's like one of the great political film 496 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,320 makers coming out of the 70s. And you can feel that through 497 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,360 all of his movies. I just think that PTA has always 498 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:41,840 struggled when it comes to like taking himself too seriously. 499 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,280 Like, he doesn't ever seem like he wants to lean too deep into 500 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,600 the politics of his films. But yeah, I thought this movie 501 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,880 was, like, pretty extraordinary when it did get political when 502 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,640 it was like, here's a country that's militarized to the core. 503 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,320 Here is a a country that's still poisoned by this colonial logic 504 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,000 of an ethno state with a Christian nationalist running 505 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,840 politics behind the scenes. And like, what? 506 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,800 What are those clothes? What are those sweaters they 507 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,320 have on like like the? Patagonia. 508 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:11,040 Yeah, Patagonia. Like being the local football 509 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,840 star's dad is like, also the Christmas fascist. 510 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,360 Like that's hilarious. Shout out to casting JD Vance's 511 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,400 dad from Friday Night Lights to be one of the Christmas 512 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,840 adventurers because that is just like, yeah, for millennials and 513 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,440 or Zillennials, it's a it's a very important casting moment 514 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,040 there. Yeah, OK, We can get into the 515 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,160 plot. OK, so Pat is drawn into a 516 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,600 revolutionary group known as the French 75 led by Tiana Taylor's 517 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,600 character and Taylor's character and her performance in this 518 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,040 movie as a revolutionary is pretty awesome in the 1st 40 519 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,840 minutes that she's in this film. And I found her to be, AI would 520 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,960 say a pretty distancing character in the way she's 521 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,760 written, but a powerful performance. 522 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,040 And so PTA complicates the character because he gives her a 523 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:04,920 motivation that isn't clear, it's not purely ideological, and 524 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,560 her desire to be a revolutionary isn't totally developed. 525 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,680 So I found her to be kind of fascinating. 526 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,800 I think the first 40 minutes of this movie is the worst part of 527 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,200 the movie, but I still was captivated by it, if that makes 528 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,240 sense. Like I'd see a 2 hour film of 529 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,120 the 1st 40 minutes, but I was sort of surprised, borderline 530 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:27,880 shocked by the treatment of her character because she did it. 531 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,480 It felt like it was leaning into a trope without totally 532 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,440 unpacking that trope. And then by the end of that 40 533 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,960 minutes she's gone from the movie. 534 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,640 Like her desire to be a revolutionary isn't totally 535 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,960 developed to me, but it feels like she turns into this more 536 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,160 like mythic figure for the I guess the remainder of the two 537 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,200 hour runtime. Yeah, I feel like she's the most 538 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,160 flat character to me, which is interesting. 539 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,720 Yeah, I agree that her it, it wasn't really like clear totally 540 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,240 the the kind of like political ethos that the group has. 541 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,800 There are conversations around like, you know, the the campfire 542 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,240 where the guy is like capitalism's like end goal is to 543 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,200 perfect advertising. And so like, you know, and also 544 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,640 we, we can read into, I think the scenes like especially at 545 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,360 the, the very beginning of who they're fighting and then that 546 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,440 being juxtaposed with their Christmas adventurers. 547 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,800 Yeah, we have the detention center, the concentration camp. 548 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,760 We got the blowing up the that Congress person's building who's 549 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,040 trying to vote against women's healthcare. 550 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,000 Yeah, Also, yeah, there's the the phone call of like about 551 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,560 abortion, right? So, yeah, so I mean like that is 552 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,960 there, but it's not and it's not that we need like 1 character to 553 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,680 give this very direct speech. But I, I think the movie could 554 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,080 have benefited from just being a little bit more direct, maybe in 555 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,480 in certain like scenes or like side conversations that we 556 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,200 overhear from the group. Because because ultimately, like 557 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,480 the Tiana Taylor character then becomes like, like I said, kind 558 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,640 of like flat in terms of her being, I guess portrayed as 559 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,160 someone who like wants power ultimately, which is strange 560 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,600 because I don't actually think that's like necessarily what is 561 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,880 happening, but it's portrayed. But I can see how people could 562 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,520 like just. I think that's what he's saying. 563 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,000 I think he's saying that this character isn't how all 564 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,440 revolutionaries are, but he's saying that this specific 565 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,000 revolutionary figure who is at the top of the totem pole of the 566 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,080 French 75 has a desire or motivation to get back their 567 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,760 freedom or autonomy through anti authority instincts. 568 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,320 And with with that means corrupting and, and, and like 569 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,400 diluting like fascism. Then she's going to try to do 570 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,400 that by taking out these like powers. 571 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,480 And I don't think all of this is like a huge critique, by the 572 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,960 way. This is just, I know it's weird 573 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,960 because we just started the plot. 574 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,400 It sounds like we're criticizing the movie, even though we love 575 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,880 the movie quite a bit. But it is like, I think one of 576 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,200 the more, I don't know, one of the more confusing parts of the 577 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,320 film where I think so I I think the fact that her motivations 578 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,760 are somewhat ambiguous do sharpen her like as a complex 579 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,120 character, but that also seems kind of convenient considering 580 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,680 the political stakes of what the movie is like exploring. 581 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,240 And I think the big biggest example of what we're kind of 582 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,080 talking around here is her complicated arc with Lockjaw, 583 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,160 Sean Penn's character, who is basically playing like evil 584 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,280 Popeye, I guess the best way to describe him. 585 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,640 And that man develops a sexual, fetishistic, racialized 586 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,360 obsession with her, and Lockjaw blackmails her into going to a 587 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,280 motel to have sex. But PTA flips the dynamic in 588 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,320 that sex scene where he shoots the scenes with her dominating 589 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,720 him, which is complicated. And I think speaking to how PTA 590 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,400 views this character and what she is a revolutionary for, and 591 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,880 maybe what PTA thinks about revolutionaries at large is 592 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,040 still unclear, but I think he's kind of trying to say that, 593 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,120 well, there, you know what I want to bring up? 594 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,960 I I was thinking about this while watching it last night. 595 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,600 We watched Point Break recently and Heat. 596 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,040 We were watching like the great crime films and Patrick Swayze's 597 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,000 character. OK, Bodie, Yeah. 598 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,720 Bodie in Point Break and then Neil, the De Niro's character 599 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,160 and he, they both are just like anti establishment figures who 600 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,320 want freedom. That's like all they want. 601 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,080 They don't want people imposing rules on them. 602 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,440 And I think for whatever reason, PJ found it necessary to give 603 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,720 that same ethos, if you will, to this Tiana Taylor character. 604 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,400 But then it feels like the movie sort of pivoting from that still 605 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,960 wants to make her like this leftist, radical anarchist 606 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,720 revolutionary figure. And I'm not saying that we 607 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,640 needed more characterization, like she needed to have like a 608 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,920 Malcolm X book, like on her dashboard or something. 609 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,520 Like, I don't know that that feels like lazy writing to me. 610 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,320 But I just feel like I never totally knew her, even if it 611 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,760 feels like to your point that I was with her throughout the 612 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,440 film. Yeah, well, I think, you know, 613 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,240 there's kind of two things going on here. 614 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:10,160 One, maybe she was a sort of flat character in terms of, you 615 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,600 know, maybe seemingly complex under the surface, but we get 616 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,840 such a short like time with her because she is this figure that 617 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,440 is kind of looming over the the last or I guess like 2/3 of the 618 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,640 movie, right, with Leo's character with her daughter, 619 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,400 right? She's she's like a very felt 620 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,400 presence. And so it almost feels like this 621 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,680 first part of the movie. Well, it's not, you know, shot 622 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,320 this way and that's not actually what's happening, but does feel 623 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,720 like a memory of someone, if that makes sense. 624 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,080 But I do think that this is my biggest critique of the movie is 625 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,880 how the politics are like maybe not as explored here in Tiana 626 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,840 Taylor's character. Because I think if you're like 627 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,360 paying attention to the text of her, like calling about 628 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,640 abortion, right? Or like, like you said, like we 629 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,560 open on her looking and like seeing where's the entry point 630 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,560 to enter this detention center there. 631 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,280 So that is like clear. But her conversations in the 632 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:15,240 more like intimate moments with Leo are, I think, like, yes, 633 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,320 complicating a character. But at the same time, like, I, I 634 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,000 don't think that it's like, necessarily helpful. 635 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,400 Not that, you know, any person has to be like a perfect 636 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,720 empathetic, like outwardly character who's also a 637 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,400 revolutionary. But I think it does complicate 638 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,560 like the politics of the movie and allows for people to say 639 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,000 something like what Leonardo DiCaprio said in an interview 640 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,720 just like recently, that he was like, there's extremists on both 641 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,960 sides. And. 642 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,720 Yeah. And so like that, he's. 643 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,800 One of the more politically inconsistent people. 644 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,160 In Hollywood, fascinating person. 645 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,200 Yeah, it was just, it was like an off comment. 646 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,480 It wasn't like he was, you know, deep diving into this, but he 647 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,360 did, you know, say that phrase and so like it. 648 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,640 I I just think like a character that is not nuanced, but just 649 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,240 like it felt like the the writing was like trying to make 650 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,640 her like emotionally complicated first thinking about like what 651 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,240 then her character might represent. 652 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:21,080 If you are making a movie about someone who is trying to like to 653 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,480 change things right, like an uproot right institutions, I 654 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,120 just think then it becomes like you have to you have to think, I 655 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,920 guess about right, like what what her characterization means. 656 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,600 And so that's probably my only critique of the movie because it 657 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,680 opens up, I guess, comments like that. 658 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,880 Yeah, but what's interesting is that is my only real critique as 659 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,400 well. Maybe one other toward the end 660 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,160 of the movie, but I I would never think this movie is like a 661 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,160 both sides film. Oh no, I don't think most people 662 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,400 are either, But I I and I don't mean that like she like, I don't 663 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,800 mean it to say also that people can just leave and be like, oh 664 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,200 wow. Yeah, she was an extremist. 665 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,840 But it was like portrayed as if she didn't have like an 666 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,600 underlying like political goal or, or like ethos, like some 667 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,920 sort of code or like literature. She was like pulling from 668 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,920 essentially right. It was it was more so like she 669 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:21,679 was she was written to be like, I'm a a tough like badass. 670 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,880 When she's having conversations with Leonardo DiCaprio and 671 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,679 Leonardo DiCaprio then as like a response is getting more so at 672 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,080 like her characterization, like her character of like, oh, 673 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,480 you're so tough. Like we have a family now and 674 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,480 you this is just a front. So like that became complicated 675 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,280 because it was like, well, I don't know what this scene 676 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,639 really means because I know it's an emotional scene between two 677 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,400 people who possibly like love each other but can't like 678 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,520 communicate totally. And maybe, you know, have a a 679 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,760 larger goal, right, that they're not connecting on at this stage 680 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,560 in their life. And that's just like a 681 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,760 dramaticized, right, like kind of like example right of, of 682 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,880 like their goals in a, in a interpersonal like conflict 683 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,200 after they have a child. But it undercuts her is like my, 684 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960 I guess my bigger point, right? It undercuts like what she's 685 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,600 doing. Yeah, so I guess I could see why 686 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,880 you could watch this movie because I think of some mishaps 687 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,120 in the writing in this first act of just being like a father 688 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,760 daughter story with a complicated absent mother 689 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,120 figure. Who is it more of a mythic 690 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,440 figure than a real person in the middle of like radicalism? 691 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,000 Like I basically could see somebody walk away from this 692 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,440 movie being like that was a good dad daughter like dark comedy. 693 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,120 And I don't think I don't I think PT would be disappointed 694 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,280 to hear that. I've seen some reviews titled 695 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,600 that like this is a dad daughter masterpiece like, and I think he 696 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,600 would probably appreciate that because it's a lot more than 697 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,480 emotionality is. And I'm sure he relates to that 698 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,360 in his personal life, which we're not going to get into, but 699 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,200 he is like a fun personal life if you ever want to look into 700 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,240 it, because his wife is my Rudolph is amazing. 701 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,560 Yeah. I think where he gets a lot of 702 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,000 his humor from I'd assume. I mean, he was funny before, 703 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,720 like Maya Rudolph too. Absolutely. 704 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,760 But you can certainly tell things like Phantom Thread, 705 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,760 right? Which he talked about that that 706 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,600 was like that came out of an experience that he had of him 707 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,760 being sick. And he was talking about his 708 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,640 wife taking care of him, which I think is essentially right. 709 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,560 Maya Rudolph, like the dynamic between them. 710 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,280 Yeah. Well, there's a lot of really 711 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,560 smart boy humor in the first half of his career to me and the 712 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,000 second-half of career, just like really intellectual humor, I do 713 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,760 think. OK, we're yeah, I I'm, I'm he's 714 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:26,720 also. Maturing the person. 715 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,680 Himself, but I do my rot, so I didn't want to talk about it 716 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,680 because I didn't. Want to be like, we're not too 717 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,720 glued to what's going on in PJ. He's a pretty like mysterious 718 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:36,320 person as well. He keeps pressing it like an 719 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680 arm's length, which I think it's probably healthy, but. 720 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,520 Yeah, I guess anyways, I, I was a little bit worried coming out 721 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,160 of this to being like, you know, I get that. 722 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,400 I was thinking about the America Ferrera speech from Barbie where 723 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,400 they, Greta Gerwig basically writes America Ferrera to like 724 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,520 sing the thesis of the movie to this crowd of people, including 725 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,000 the audience and how, you know, beautiful that performance was 726 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,960 and also how it was written, but how cringe ultimately that 727 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,280 sentiment felt because it felt so forced. 728 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,960 And I can see how a lot of directors would watch that scene 729 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,440 and go, I'm allergic to this to the point to the degree that I 730 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,840 never want to show my cards thematically to this point. 731 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,000 But I weirdly did think I needed not something like that, but 732 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,280 like 25% of that well. That's what I was saying. 733 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,080 Like, I think it could have been done a little bit more in the 734 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,080 background conversations like the campfire, you know, comment 735 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,280 about perfecting advertising. I felt just so brushed to the 736 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,320 side. Yeah, so, so that's I, I don't 737 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,640 think you have to do you know, we we talked about this on 738 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,600 Barbie also where you don't necessarily have to do something 739 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,160 like that. There are other ways to do it. 740 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,880 And so like, I just think while I I'm basically going to say how 741 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,280 much I love the rest of this movie, but this is like the this 742 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,280 opening, I agree with you, is kind of like the the weakest 743 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,560 part. So soon after that kind of 744 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,200 complicated 1st 30 minutes to 40 minutes, Taylor's character 745 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,800 gives birth to a daughter and that's with Pat. 746 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,360 And then she soon tells Pat that she can't be with him and the 747 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,960 baby and her mom at the house. By the way, the mom and Pat have 748 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:10,960 a funny dynamic. I forget. 749 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,920 I forget what she says to Pat. I for she says something like 750 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,000 you. Don't deserve my daughter or 751 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,400 something like that. You know that something to that 752 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,160 effect and she's like, I'm going to go continue this 753 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,320 revolutionary fight. She's. 754 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,320 Basically like, I don't see it, Yeah. 755 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,640 And she also seems to be having like some postpartum new parent 756 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,200 anxieties and she basically doesn't want her becoming a 757 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,480 parent to distract her from revolutionary goals. 758 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,320 And or the suggestion is that the responsibility of being a 759 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,880 parent is maybe even scarier than being a revolutionary. 760 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,800 And like just that kind of like that wrestling of those two 761 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,520 walks of life of really being nervous about the self-interest 762 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,720 that parenthood demands out of a person. 763 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,160 And I mean, we're not parents, but that's just me. 764 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:54,480 You. Know. 765 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,080 Well, we'll talk about it. That's what Leo's character 766 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,000 represents. Yes, and then we see this 767 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,800 massive think robbery sequence, which I just did not go back to 768 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,800 my point about Nolan Villeneuve. Like I'm so sorry, PTA, like I 769 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,920 didn't know you had this in your bag. 770 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,840 Like that's insane. It was so well shot. 771 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,720 We had the French Connection style car chase where we're like 772 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:16,080 on the back of a car with a camera on the sidewalk. 773 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,760 Yeah, I was thinking about watching the like, as we I know, 774 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,080 Yeah, and the the all the car sequences were great, but 775 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,320 especially yeah, I guess we'll we'll stick on this one like the 776 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,920 the getaway cars. Getaway cars were really good. 777 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,080 Yeah, there's the cutting back and forth like that really was 778 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,680 like a a heat action sequence that was really well realized. 779 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:39,200 And I also liked how this was a different bank heist sequence, 780 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,800 even though it was pretty quick when we when we went in, then we 781 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,440 may have seen right before, you know, we we have like we talked 782 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,600 about heat and point break and especially like dog day 783 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,320 afternoon on the dog day podcast. 784 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,960 But we have like a an inspirational like pull from 785 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,600 that of when one of the members of the French 75 goes in right, 786 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:04,000 like takes off her mask and is essentially saying like, I am a 787 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,320 revolutionary, but I'm also like. 788 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,880 A person right in contrast to this like institution which is a 789 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,840 huge part of dog day afternoon where Al Pacino is essentially 790 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,520 right like getting the support from the crowd outside and also 791 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,400 the workers in the bank as to be like right to really like draw 792 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,240 the the contrast of the the bank being insured right and 793 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,680 institutions right not like serving the people right that 794 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,560 that whole. Conversation of economic 795 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,480 violence. Right, Which is like kind of 796 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,520 just really concentrated in this one very short scene. 797 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,200 And I think, you know, PCA, even though we are saying like this 798 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,840 is the not the best part of the movie, right? 799 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,240 He does do like some interesting things here that have like a, a 800 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:53,800 broader, more like interesting comment that do work. 801 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,240 We're like we have Leo's character at the very beginning 802 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,120 of the movie. He's kind of like the what Paul 803 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,840 Thomas Anderson calls is like the the 6th most important 804 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,760 person, like the 6th man of the French 75, right? 805 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,480 That's really funny. He, I guess when he was writing 806 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,760 this, as he continued to write it throughout the like past 20 807 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,600 years, was thinking like it would be really interesting to 808 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,000 follow like the the 6th most important person in this group, 809 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,160 right? Like because everyone ends up 810 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,640 getting killed, all the people who are maybe like more savvy or 811 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,320 politically in tuned with the like mission right of the group. 812 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,520 And then it's like we we just follow him. 813 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,680 Like that was kind of like the premise. 814 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,600 PTA That was interesting. But what I think he does in 815 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,760 terms of like making Leo's role as the explosives guy, I don't 816 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,680 know what to call his specific job title, but right, He's like 817 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,040 this white guy who's in the group and the the fact that he 818 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,560 is like at an arm's length, right? 819 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,720 Like, I guess metaphorically, but also literally, like far 820 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:58,080 away from the action, right is also in a comment, I think on 821 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,120 Leo's role, as you like, brought up as a white guy in this 822 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,800 revolutionary group where then he comes in right at the very 823 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,960 end and he is like celebrating, right? 824 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,320 So I think that's purposeful. And then I also think there's an 825 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,600 interesting scene in here at the bank heist where we have the the 826 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,720 guy who's reaching for his gun, who's a black security guard and 827 00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:24,600 Tiana Taylor kind of having this emotionality in her voice to be 828 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,920 like, stop, like, what are you doing? 829 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,600 Don't do this kind of thing as he reaches for his gun even 830 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,520 after he was shot. And so like that is, even though 831 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,040 a very small moment, something that's interesting in terms of, 832 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,440 you know, something that I, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say is 833 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,680 on like PT as mind in conversation with like Daniel 834 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,680 Day Lewis's. I have a competition in me like 835 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,240 capitalism essentially being a disease and people seeing their 836 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:53,400 identity as like workers, right. I I think like that scene is 837 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,280 fair to say that it's in conversation with that kind of 838 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,400 like overall theme that's running through this first part 839 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,360 of the movie. Yeah. 840 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,760 No, 100% agree. I yeah, there's a lot there 841 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,920 thematically that suggested I just cinematically, I was just 842 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,480 like, kind of taken aback. And I was like, I'm going to 843 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,800 think about this more in the second watch. 844 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:16,240 So that was really well said. Lockjaw arranges for Tiana 845 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:20,840 Taylor's character to be freed sort of right in this program in 846 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,200 return for her betraying her team. 847 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,200 And what they call her is like the rat the rest of the movie 848 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,040 because of this. And she agrees. 849 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,080 She enters into that witness protection program while the 850 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,960 French 75 are massacred in a quick. 851 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,440 Yeah, something that I didn't even like until we're talking 852 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,960 about it now realize was such a chilling moment in the movie 853 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,480 because it goes so quickly. Like, you know, we we see later 854 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,640 on kind of the elevated, still scary, but like kind of absurd 855 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,400 moments of Sean Penn's character, you know, saying 856 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,920 like, give me a reason to go here. 857 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,440 And and kind of like his his character also being sort of 858 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:09,400 like a no country for old men like but absurd right Figure of 859 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,480 like walking through, yeah, walking through the the desert. 860 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:17,920 But I I think like the the kind of sheer force that they are 861 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,520 able to show here from the military just like taking people 862 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,080 out. Yeah, it's. 863 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,160 Frightening. Yeah, it's really scary. 864 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,480 And you know, you, You like, view this as like a heightened 865 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,920 action movie, but I'm sure that Paul Thomas Anderson was 866 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,440 thinking about like real life events of like the FBI and like 867 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,080 the Black Panthers. And you know, there's moments 868 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,880 where they literally like instead of even like arresting 869 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,080 someone just like for Alana Himes character, right? 870 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,680 They just like take her out in the back of that convenience 871 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,960 store. Yeah, Alana Himes shot in the 872 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,600 head and then Wood Harris has smoked out in his home. 873 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,360 I wish Wood Harris got more to do in this movie. 874 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,960 Love him. And PTA kind of punctuates all 875 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,000 of that with the one of the men who gets held up by the cops and 876 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,600 his backs against the wall, what seems to be a parking garage. 877 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,800 And they're like, you know, keep your hands up. 878 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,360 Stop moving. He's not moving, and his hands 879 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,400 are up. And then it sounds like a 880 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,120 gunshot. And the edit cuts to the next 881 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,760 sequence where it slows down and you're like, holy shit, that 882 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,680 happened so fast. Yeah, it was a little jarring to 883 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,440 see Alana Heim. I was just going to ask you. 884 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:21,800 Yeah, I felt the same way. I think I love Alana Heim and I 885 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,440 love Alana Casalana in Licorice Pizza. 886 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,880 I think that role was perfect for her. 887 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,800 I just think here it felt it, it felt out of place and it kind of 888 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,040 took me out of the movie. Like when she delivered the 889 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,240 radio to Leo's character and like told him the channel to 890 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,760 stay on. I I just felt like her presence 891 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,680 was kind of distracting in that moment. 892 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,000 And I hate to say it because I I do love her, but it it just felt 893 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,720 like out of place. 20 years from now, no one will care, and 894 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,560 they'll be like, that's who starred in Licorice Pizza. 895 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,800 But because it is so recent and Licorice Pizza was such a weird 896 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,760 detour for PTA, even though it was like a wonderful one for the 897 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,040 most part, I think it's interesting to to see her on 898 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,480 this when the camera was so focused on her. 899 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,440 When she handed that camera over, it was like the movie knew 900 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,080 that this was Alana Heim in this movie. 901 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:14,960 So yeah, that was kind of a devastating, tragic minute or so 902 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,440 there. And there's also just like a lot 903 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,080 of good music going on in this movie at this point. 904 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,000 We got a lot of great, got a great score going during this 905 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,280 chase sequence from Johnny Greenwood where he's doing this 906 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,160 classic off key orchestral swelling that's just really 907 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,600 unsettling. That speaks to a lot of the 908 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,920 themes and tone of the PTA project. 909 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,760 And he's really good in the master with that score and other 910 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,840 films. And we'll come back to some 911 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,320 needle drops in a bit, but we get to Act 2, which is basically 912 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,840 jumping forward 16 years, right? Because Tiana Taylor escapes to 913 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,040 Mexico, right? Yeah, because she's alive in 914 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,520 Mexico, right by the end of the movie. 915 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,960 Yes, I think so. I was a little bit confused 916 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,600 about that. I actually don't know where she 917 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,400 is. I don't remember. 918 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,640 She was in Mexico. Oh, OK. 919 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,600 Yeah. But I was confused because Sean 920 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,240 Penn's like, I put your mom in the ground to chase Infinity's 921 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:05,760 character. Yeah, but she. 922 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,320 Oh OK. You thought maybe he killed her. 923 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,000 That's what. Well, no, remember. 924 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,960 She. I know, but she she leaves the 925 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,840 note for him, right And he like rips it off the wall in that 926 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,600 like really staged home. I thought it was suggested that 927 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,120 he, in the intervening like 16 years, had gone into Mexico and 928 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,000 killed. Oh oh, no, I don't think so. 929 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,480 OK, interesting. No, no, she wrote her a letter 930 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,480 like in hiding, I think, and and said like when the time is 931 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:39,040 right, maybe we can like meet. But no, I think that he was 932 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,240 just, like saying that to rewrite his own, like past as 933 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,120 he's like, yeah. Like. 934 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,560 Whatever that means. Yeah, like, or to also try to, 935 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,400 like, rationalize what he's doing in this moment, too. 936 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,160 Like you know the moment where him and and Willa like end up 937 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:58,560 together. Right. 938 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,200 I guess. Yeah, he did kind of cause her 939 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,400 to disappear. So I see what you're saying. 940 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,320 OK, That's interesting. Yeah. 941 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,560 So we jump for 16 years. Pat is now Bob. 942 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:13,800 Yeah, and Bob is a paranoid drug addicted wreck kind of hiding 943 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,080 out with his daughter in his Hut at Yoda at this point, his life 944 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:23,600 old stage Obi Wan, if you will. And Willa is now Willa. 945 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,480 She wasn't Willa originally. And DiCaprio again, late stage 946 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,760 career is fascinating, right? He the past few years, let's 947 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,320 just go through this since 2013, The Wolf of Wall Street, Once 948 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,560 Upon a Time in Hollywood, don't look up Killers of the Flower 949 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:44,920 Moon 1 battle after another very volatile, chaotic electric 950 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,440 performances, going from sort of sedated to jumping out of a 951 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,640 window kind of vibe. Again, very Joaquin Phoenix. 952 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,000 I don't know what's up with his generation of actor doing that 953 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,720 because it is very Pacino, you know, going back to your point, 954 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,040 but it's fascinating. I love it for him. 955 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,840 It's very strange. I mean, he he wasn't not doing 956 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,320 that before like the Django Unchained and some other movies. 957 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,920 But I'm sort of surprised this is like what he's leaning into 958 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,760 now. I don't know. 959 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,000 He's he's trying to get away from the modern like Hollywood 960 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,440 heartthrob. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting 961 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,760 to see where he started out. Like in Titanic. 962 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,400 Catch me if you can. Yeah. 963 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,880 Like departed. Yeah, Well, departed, I guess is 964 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,520 like an extension of that. He's still kind of this boyish, 965 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,120 like naive. Getting away, I guess the part 966 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,000 is the beginning of him getting away from expectations, yeah. 967 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,640 That's interesting. But yeah, Leo is so interesting 968 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,880 in that a lot of his performances feel like he can do 969 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,720 that because he's in this like, next tier of fame where he also 970 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:50,320 doesn't have like, a huge press presence or like, people don't 971 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,360 know his personality. And he's really able, which is 972 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,960 like a a kind of a privilege to not be able to sell himself, 973 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,480 right? Because he got famous so young 974 00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,360 and he's like a white guy in Hollywood. 975 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,000 We just see an image of him with like some under 30 year old 976 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,640 woman on a yacht every six months. 977 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,800 Yeah, that's basically. Yeah. 978 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,640 And he gets to like, yeah. And he also gets to 979 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,760 simultaneously like, maintain this, like, environmentalist 980 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,000 sort of thing, while I think being pictured with like, Elon 981 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:14,600 Musk. I don't know. 982 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,480 So Jeff Bezos is what? Yeah, so he's a very interesting 983 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,000 like American figure and product of like Hollywood. 984 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:29,240 So, but I do think that his his roles that he's taking are very 985 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:34,400 interesting and that he, he said like in the interview on the big 986 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,800 pic that he was like looking for people who were funny, but in a 987 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,560 grounded way. But I also think he's like 988 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,560 obviously has opportunities to take the best scripts, right? 989 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,520 Absolutely, yeah. He can be in any movie he wants 990 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,480 to, and he's going to be to Martin Scorsese movie next. 991 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,680 I know. So that's very exciting. 992 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,480 Yeah, he said that he was. Opposite Jennifer Lawrence OH. 993 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:56,600 I didn't know that. Yeah, he said that he was like 994 00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:01,360 re watching Vertigo because that was a inspiration for Marty's 995 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,520 and his next movie. Well, to be on Patreon, yeah. 996 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,200 So in the second act, he's basically playing a mix of Jeff 997 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:13,400 Bridges with his Robe Lebowski style and Jack Nicholson's like 998 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,240 mid to late career volatile absurdity. 999 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,920 Going back to the departed, somebody's just a little bit 1000 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,240 unhinged. Yeah, You know, it's like not 1001 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,920 evil. Obviously we've talked about 1002 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,720 this, you know, at length where like women are don't get roles 1003 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:31,480 after like a certain age, which is like far worse. 1004 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,440 But then there's, you know, there is an interesting, I think 1005 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,000 age where men are like placed in robes. 1006 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,360 Someone like create a chart of that please. 1007 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,440 That's really funny. Yeah, the trajectory. 1008 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:50,920 So the way PTA makes him bumble through being paranoid and like 1009 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,200 threatening Willa's teenage friends is some of the best Leo. 1010 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,920 I think of his career where he's like talking to her friends and 1011 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,840 warning them the whole come after them or whatever if they 1012 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,560 mess her up. Yeah, it's like whatever you do 1013 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,760 to her, I'll do to your whole family. 1014 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,880 Yeah, it's insane, but he's really good in that mold or that 1015 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,200 mode. I I don't think I've ever seen 1016 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,440 Leo in that mode because he doesn't play a father typically. 1017 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,560 Yeah, he's played like Father, you know, figure, but not 1018 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,920 necessarily like I think in conversation with his child, 1019 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,640 like he was a a dad in Inception essentially, right? 1020 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,120 Like he's had children in his movies, but it's not like the 1021 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,000 the the father aspect of that has not been I think at the 1022 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,600 forefront. I don't see Revolutionary Rd. in 1023 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,320 a long time. I think he said that he had 1024 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,840 maybe been a father in that as well, but I forgot. 1025 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,840 I like seeing him in this mode, though, because he's in the car 1026 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,120 with Benicio Del Toro later in the movie. 1027 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,520 He's like, I don't even know how to do her hair and that kind of 1028 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:48,640 shit. Then when he delivered that, I'm 1029 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,440 like, how do you do that? Like he didn't, you know? 1030 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,400 I know he's an actor, but I know this guy doesn't have kids as 1031 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,200 far as we know, right? Like, I know, I know he. 1032 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,640 Just he's good, yeah. And so I thought that was just 1033 00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,920 very impressive because that that felt like there's a lot of 1034 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,320 weight to that in many different ways. 1035 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,280 But yeah, he's ultimately very pathetic, but hilarious and sad. 1036 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,000 And then chase Infinity as Willa, who I'm not too familiar 1037 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,520 with as an actress. She was in the show that I 1038 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,600 really loved when I was watching it during my surgery. 1039 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,640 It got me through Presumed Innocent, the the remake with 1040 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,480 Jake Gyllenhaal. She was the daughter in that but 1041 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,040 and I thought she did a great job, but didn't have like a huge 1042 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,400 role or anything. I think she's great here. 1043 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,120 She actually doesn't have a lot of speaking lines. 1044 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,040 I was going to say, I felt like she was in a silent film. 1045 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,880 Yeah, but I mean, she does a great job. 1046 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,760 Vacuum in the movie where she could just like it was all 1047 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,760 suggestion in the face, a lot of physicality in her performance. 1048 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,360 And I thought her physicality was actually really remarkable. 1049 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,360 And she goes on this, like, journey from being innocent to 1050 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,680 sort of like borderline dangerous where she is going to 1051 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,680 lead a revolution because by the end of the movie, she has like, 1052 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,520 zip ties on driving cars and like, fighting people and 1053 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,240 shooting, shooting one of the Christmas assassins. 1054 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,560 Yeah. Well, yeah, I think that 1055 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,760 actually her performance, yeah, is. 1056 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,440 Yeah, I think when I think her performance is actually really 1057 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,840 underrated too, like we talked about Leo, but especially her 1058 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,120 because you're right. Like we, I, I get the emotions 1059 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,120 that she is experiencing in the bathroom at school when she's in 1060 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,080 shock when Regina Hall shows up and the the kind of like gadget 1061 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,600 that she thinks is like basically fake and her dad's 1062 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,760 kind of like paranoid and out of his mind to give her this metal 1063 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,640 harmonica looking thing like when it actually works, right? 1064 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,600 I feel her her kind of like going through these different 1065 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,120 stages in a very short period of time of like, wait, this. 1066 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:49,480 My dad is actually not like, you know, making this up Slash. 1067 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,840 I guess I have to trust you with my life. 1068 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,480 Scared. I was getting some Spy Kids 1069 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,040 vibes. I know my millennials coming out 1070 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,240 well. That's definitely the gad. 1071 00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,320 I love a gadget. OK, when they introduce this 1072 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,240 gadget as Leo has to go take a new identity and you know the 1073 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,440 the guys like when you put them next to each other, they will 1074 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,320 like play the melody whatever. I was like, yes, I love a 1075 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,640 physical gadget. So when this shows up and we 1076 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,080 have the the melody go off, you know her her face work is doing 1077 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,000 a lot. But then also when she's in the 1078 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,840 car with Regina Hall, she has this kind of scared, still in 1079 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,840 shock, but like sweating right moment where I I just like 1080 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,680 understand, I guess, like what a kid would be experiencing at 1081 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,160 that moment. But she has to do that all 1082 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,680 through her face. And then later on when she's 1083 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,160 with Lockjaw, right, she again is silent, has like some lines 1084 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,760 of anger right towards this like person and also like 1085 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,280 highlighting that he's pathetic, but again, needs to do a lot of 1086 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,320 just like face acting for that. Why is your shirt so tight? 1087 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,200 There's like AGI, Joe or. Something there's a moment where 1088 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,200 Regina Hall comes into the bathroom and the movie kind of 1089 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,080 takes off for me and she's like in the mirror. 1090 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,360 It's like a mirror shot of her talking to Chase Infinity's 1091 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,720 character. And Chase Infinity's face is 1092 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:13,360 doing the whole like, oh, my dad is you know who he said he is 1093 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,520 that you're talking about? That really reminded me of when 1094 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,080 Danny Trejo comes and picks the kids up from Spy Kids. 1095 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,440 He's like, your parents are spies. 1096 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,440 That's what I meant. Oh OK, I thought you meant the 1097 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,720 gadgets. It's been a while since I've 1098 00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,800 seen Spy Kids. But no, it's masterpiece. 1099 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,320 Yeah, that was definitely. A revelation. 1100 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,400 Don't forget to like and subscribe to this podcast. 1101 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,560 You'll listen to no other One Battle after another episodes 1102 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,080 that will reference Spy Kids and Star Wars as much as you've 1103 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,480 heard today. Yeah, this. 1104 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,840 Is Paul Thomas Anderson's Spy Kids and Star Wars. 1105 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,040 Star Wars? It's a re imagination. 1106 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,920 So Lockjaw, as we see in this 16 year jump has risen to power, 1107 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:58,240 now a Colonel, and has kind of expanded those concentration 1108 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,400 camps that he had that were smaller and now are much larger, 1109 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,320 filled with people and children. And he is trying to become a 1110 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,400 member or is being kind of looked at to become recruited, 1111 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,160 recruited to become a member of the Christmas Adventurers Club. 1112 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,120 I'm going to let you, I'm going to let you explore this a little 1113 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,400 bit because everyone in the theater was laughing a lot at 1114 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,960 this, including you and I I understood why. 1115 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,440 I think I understood why it was funny, but it wasn't hitting me 1116 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,120 the same way. I think. 1117 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,360 That I always think it's funny to make fun of fascists, but I 1118 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,200 don't. It wasn't. 1119 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,080 It just wasn't hitting me the same way. 1120 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:38,080 Yeah, OK, well, first, it's really funny, I think 1121 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,320 considering like the the time, right, that PTA decides to write 1122 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,080 this where, you know, their their group is called the 1123 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:50,560 Christmas Adventurer Club. They're kind of like greeting to 1124 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,480 each other is Merry Christmas. And this is kind of all around 1125 00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:00,040 the the time when we have the kind of Starbucks debacle in the 1126 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,960 news of the holiday cups and taking off like Merry Christmas, 1127 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,360 the the war on Merry Christmas versus Happy Holidays. 1128 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,560 Christmas being weaponized as this like rallying cry. 1129 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,280 The whole like Fox News segment of Santa Claus is certainly 1130 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,000 white, right? Like this whole all absurd 1131 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:24,240 debate that is like rooted in this, like white supremacist 1132 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:30,280 nationalist like ethos that then is just like coded right through 1133 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,040 this whole Merry Christmas uproar. 1134 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,320 Yeah, Christmas has dog whistle. Exactly. 1135 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,240 And so like the the coded kind of like Merry Christmas that the 1136 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,400 people like greet each other with is like feels racist, 1137 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,320 right? And I think it's funny because 1138 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,480 like, I think people have experienced that when people do 1139 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,600 say Merry Christmas to each other, there's a particular like 1140 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,960 type of person and way to say Merry Christmas that feels like 1141 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,720 this is a code, right? And then, but also, you know, 1142 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,240 with like the whole Hail Saint Nick, right? 1143 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,840 And like, I was thinking of like Rosemary's Baby, like Hail 1144 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,880 Satan. But we have, we have like, 1145 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,000 there's so many things going on. But like that we have this like 1146 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,280 Hail Saint Nick, right? As again, like a a nod maybe to 1147 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,160 like the the conversation around like Santa Claus, like having to 1148 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,400 be white as this like iconography of like Christian 1149 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:31,520 nationalism in the US. But also like it the the idea 1150 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,040 that it is about like Christmas, like it's rooted in the 1151 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:38,160 Christmas Adventurers Club. Is is also like nodding to the 1152 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:43,000 absurdity, but also like the arbitrary shit that the this 1153 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,120 like white nationalist group is able to use as like a weapon to 1154 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,520 then like keep their power and status. 1155 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,840 So I think like that was like pretty well realized, but just 1156 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,480 funny in terms of like the coded language and seriousness in 1157 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,800 which they were exchanging like the Merry Christmas. 1158 00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:01,960 The second thing though, I. Understood the intellectual 1159 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,320 aspects. Of it, but OK here here's why I 1160 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,080 think maybe you didn't it didn't hit you maybe in the same way as 1161 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,800 that you didn't really grow up like around upper to middle 1162 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,880 class white culture as like as much as I did. 1163 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,400 So I feel like I maybe heard like this Merry Christmas 1164 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,600 exchange. Or like a strong Morse on the 1165 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,960 Christmas. All captions. 1166 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,880 Yeah, like a capital Christmas. So I I think maybe that's like 1167 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,160 what? That's a part of the humor, and 1168 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,520 it's also just the the elevatedness of how this is kind 1169 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,120 of a different movie you're watching all of a sudden when we 1170 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,800 go into the basement of this, like white. 1171 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,120 Suburb. This is one of the best 1172 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,880 sequences in the movie just in in how we're we're introduced to 1173 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,280 this world and kind of like continuously surprised like as 1174 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,520 we go deeper and deeper into the tunnels or I guess like bowels 1175 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,680 of the United States, if you will. 1176 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,720 But right we have an amazing Christmas song needle drop. 1177 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,200 I'm forgetting what it what the song was. 1178 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,640 I think it was like a one of the more religious undertone songs. 1179 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,600 Someone can tell me what song it was in the in the comments if 1180 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,440 you want to if you remember. But right, we have the kind of 1181 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:14,280 like overview of the car pulling into this half circle driveway 1182 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:19,840 into this ultra wealthy, you know, home where like these 1183 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,400 white people are obviously living in this totally like 1184 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,400 secluded right neighborhood. And it reminded me of even 1185 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:32,200 though it's not the same setting of like ultra wealthy, but of 1186 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,680 Spike Lee's black Klansmen. The the like meeting scene where 1187 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,400 the woman like answers the door offers like someone food or like 1188 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,200 in this particular, you know, scene like pancakes and he's 1189 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,000 like ha ha ha, you're a famous pancakes, you know, like. 1190 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,480 It goes full satire. Yes, so so then, but you know, I 1191 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,960 I love as he continuously goes deeper and deeper like into the 1192 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,880 home and then goes to this kind of like football stadium 1193 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,800 underground tunnel situation, which I thought, you know, if 1194 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:07,200 you want to really read into it. But definitely I conjures up an 1195 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,120 image or or kind of like metaphor of like these 1196 01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,880 connective like underground tunnels of like the United 1197 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,840 States in terms of the ideology that's like living in this 1198 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,040 particular tunnel. But anyway, so he goes down. 1199 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,000 I wonder what is in all the rest of the rooms down there but 1200 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,960 they're in this like. There are a lot of rooms. 1201 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,800 Yeah, they're in this, like, room that there is a weirdly 1202 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,440 shaped, like, wide, you know, room that looks like very 1203 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,920 official in terms of like, there's expensive furniture in 1204 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,520 there. Oh, really? 1205 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,720 OK. But there were like, those, what 1206 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,240 are those wooden ducks called? Mallards or something? 1207 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,840 Right. So a lot of this wealthy kind of 1208 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,320 like, imagery. Yeah. 1209 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,560 That's also, like, scary. I felt like it was pulled out of 1210 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,800 a Jordan Peele movie. I was thinking of like, get out 1211 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,560 obviously with the the basement too. 1212 01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,240 But yeah, I, I think this like whole sequence was really 1213 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,680 interesting. We have, like we said, JD 1214 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,520 Vance's dad. Sorry, I don't know the actor's 1215 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,080 name, but shout out when in conversations with like Friday 1216 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:14,520 Night Lights, we also have this like drooling, right old white 1217 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,360 man who is saying all this like racist shit and like telling 1218 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:23,600 this guy in this Patagonia vest like his what, what he wants him 1219 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,040 to do. And it's like this guy is the 1220 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,160 guy who holds all this power and we're going to listen to right? 1221 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,080 Like that's obviously purposeful. 1222 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,440 But then we have like the Patagonia guy who you like, 1223 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,280 don't expect to be. They're the elf. 1224 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,960 Killer the elf assassin. Yeah, they're assassin. 1225 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:47,000 Yeah, like they're gun for hire. And he's the way that he talks 1226 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,160 like he's on a golf course or something like, Oh well, gents, 1227 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,360 you know, like, if if I pick up what you're laying down here, 1228 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,080 like this is concerning. Like. 1229 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,840 And and so, you know, that whole scene, I think was like really 1230 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,920 well done in keeping the absurdity and kind of 1231 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:08,960 highlighting also, again, the like absurdity of this kind of 1232 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,520 like ideology. But then within that you're able 1233 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:16,480 to like make a more, I think serious comment about like 1234 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:21,840 obviously this group that then is a stand in for how this is 1235 01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:27,160 connected to like the the military, right, government and 1236 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:32,040 the like monopoly on violence. And and yeah, so like I thought 1237 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,400 it was all a great, great. And they're sort of frustrated 1238 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,200 with Sean Penn, not only because he had a relationship or had sex 1239 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,560 with someone that was not white, but also because he's not 1240 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,680 breaking the rules in the way that they see fit. 1241 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,360 Like he's going in and like militarizing certain zones that 1242 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,160 they're not like not ready to go into yet. 1243 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,280 That's what it feels like, which is really fascinating just in 1244 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,400 terms of the the political aesthetic of what it looks like 1245 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,680 that Sean Penn is doing with his his rogue military force. 1246 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,000 Do you think that the movie, and I don't mean this in a really 1247 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,760 serious way, so we don't have to have a very hyper serious 1248 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:09,800 conversation about this, but do you think the movie risks making 1249 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:17,520 white nationalists and white supremacy dog whistling so 1250 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,880 cartoonish that leaves these characters feeling sort of 1251 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,040 weightless? I know none of this movie really 1252 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,480 feels too well. I guess that's not true. 1253 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,160 Some of this movie really feels grounded like real world when 1254 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,720 we're seeing like concentration camps filled with refugees and 1255 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,640 like migrants or you're seeing store owners like have people 1256 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,120 hiding upstairs from ICE agents or just like the military coming 1257 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,160 in like taking over the city of Back to Cross. 1258 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,080 That all feels very real. But then PTA sort of does a 1259 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,280 detour when he meets these far right extremists and paints them 1260 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:53,520 as silly losers that are like creepy and are cartoonish 1261 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,840 figures. Some of that is like sort of 1262 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,440 cathartic of seeing that on screen because it is mainstream 1263 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,600 Hollywood and Hollywood sometimes will protect its own 1264 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,320 status and studios won't always green light big budget 1265 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:11,520 blockbusters that are making fun of the far right because 1266 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,360 Republicans buy sneakers too. They buy tickets. 1267 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:20,240 But do you think the movie does risk making the fascist too 1268 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,280 cartoonish to almost lose a little bit of the the weight of 1269 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,840 this film? Because there is a part of the 1270 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,880 Christmas joke that isn't just me, not totally, I guess, 1271 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,720 getting the old caps happy Christmas, Merry Christmas 1272 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,800 thing. But it's also a part of me being 1273 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,520 like, well, this is now getting into such an elevated place, 1274 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,520 especially toward the end of Sean 10 when he's like smoked 1275 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,400 out or gassed out in that room where I'm like, this is getting 1276 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,760 to a Tarantino space or kind of like the edit the end of 1277 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:51,240 Eddington space with Astor that I feel to be sort of a cop out 1278 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,600 politically with other things this movie was trying to be 1279 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,880 realistic about. Does that make sense? 1280 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,240 No, that makes sense. I think like kind of what you're 1281 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,160 getting at is. It's a healthy question I'm 1282 01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,280 asking, or an observation. Yeah, I think what you're 1283 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:07,440 getting at is like maybe two things, which is 1. 1284 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:12,400 Like I think it it was effective in terms of like how PTA you 1285 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,920 normally addresses men with power. 1286 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:20,360 So like, I don't know that he has another mode totally. 1287 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,160 Like if you look at Philip Seymour Hoffman's character of 1288 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,320 him, like, you know, the the famous line, like I'm a doctor, 1289 01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,560 I'm a nuclear physicist, but above all, I'm a man. 1290 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,280 You know, he's self mythologizing, right? 1291 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,840 And then also when we look at like a Daniel Day Lewis, who is 1292 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,360 maybe his most like serious character within this like kind 1293 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,680 of fold, but it's still absurd, right? 1294 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,280 And still has a lot of like absurd dialogue and how 1295 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,160 seriously he takes himself and how he makes himself into a 1296 01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:56,280 mythic figure also. And and same with like Phantom 1297 01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:01,160 Thread or something. But I do think, yeah, but I 1298 01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,240 think you're, you know, you're maybe getting more so out. 1299 01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,200 Like he does have a different mode. 1300 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,560 If we look at something like Boogie Nights, where in the 1301 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:12,080 second-half we really flip to like a serious, yeah, like 1302 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,920 tragic kind of lens that's a little bit more serious and we 1303 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:19,439 see stakes, right? But I, I think, you know, in 1304 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:24,640 this movie, like you are right to the extent that the movie 1305 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,680 kind of wants to have both things, but it's giving people 1306 01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,600 here's here's I guess what I'll say like, yes, the movie is 1307 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,319 doing interesting things within a blockbuster, but it's also 1308 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:38,080 giving people the opportunity like that. 1309 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:42,840 I've heard for for critics and like larger audiences to have an 1310 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,920 out of to say this is just a dad and daughter movie. 1311 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:51,920 And so like when then the humor like or whatever is like behind 1312 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,359 the humor that is like actually politically important to deliver 1313 01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,359 in a movie like this. If you're, you know, playing in 1314 01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:02,520 this territory, If that doesn't hit, then like it maybe should 1315 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,560 have or hopefully it should have like made people uncomfortable 1316 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,000 instead of like making it just humorous, like maybe you were 1317 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,439 missing kind of mistakes. And I and I agree with that, I 1318 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,120 think. It turns into an Austin Powers. 1319 01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:20,359 Yeah, I think ultimately like the IT was successful and 1320 01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:24,080 disarming, right. The the kind of like ideology 1321 01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,319 you're like pointing to the absurdity in it. 1322 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,439 But yeah, the fact that we kind of end up you're right in more 1323 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:35,640 of like a Tarantino hyper elevated space of this like 1324 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,560 secret office. The the stakes aren't like 1325 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,760 totally there by the end. And it does become more of an 1326 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,760 emotional film with like Leonardo Dicaprio's character 1327 01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,080 and Chase Infinity's character. And so like, I think, I think 1328 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,960 you're just maybe recognizing that you like wish maybe the 1329 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,080 stakes were like there throughout. 1330 01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,160 Or yeah, that and I I love all the points you said about Philip 1331 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,280 Seymour Hoffman's character and the master and Daniel Plainview 1332 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,200 too, because that's who I was assuming was behind the door 1333 01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:07,120 that was controlling the Sean Penns and as far as like. 1334 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,160 The you wanted like the mattress man, you wanted the person 1335 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,800 behind the scenes. Yeah, and they gave us the 1336 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,080 person behind the scenes, but usually the movie's tone is 1337 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,720 built behind the person around the scenes, so that makes sense. 1338 01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,680 So the whole movie's tone of APTA Project is usually matching 1339 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,720 the people behind the scenes. And the fact this movie takes 1340 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,560 you into another world and shows you this kind of like absurdity 1341 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:32,080 of those who have power, I think is the is the easiest thing to 1342 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,280 do when writing. OK, yeah, that's fair. 1343 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,360 Yeah, to make like a silly secret society. 1344 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,200 Yeah, You know, and I guess I'm only saying that because I was 1345 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:46,040 so emotionally torn up by the Benini Seo Del Toro's characters 1346 01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,440 arc in this movie and what, you know, he's doing to protect his 1347 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:53,160 community. That when I'm going from that, 1348 01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:57,240 that's like making me cry in the theater to then these guys and 1349 01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,200 and their L Bean fits like talking about different ways to 1350 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,800 to keep America white. Like I just I found that to be 1351 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:09,280 like kind of jarring and it didn't allow me to fully commit, 1352 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,760 I guess, to the comedy of it. So I think that was an aspect to 1353 01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,760 of me not fully connecting. I might be by myself on that, 1354 01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,400 considering the reviews here. I have this at 4 1/2 stars in 1355 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:19,080 letterbox. And that was really the only 1356 01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,720 reason besides the Tiana Taylor stuff that we already discussed. 1357 01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,240 Yeah, just because I'm not sure how I feel about that. 1358 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:25,480 I have to watch it a second time. 1359 01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:29,120 Yeah, I would say, I mean it's hard because I think it's a like 1360 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:36,520 a, it's a five star in like PTA, like in in being successful at 1361 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,320 certain things PTA is really great at. 1362 01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,080 But as a full movie just like in a vacuum for me I think it would 1363 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,160 be like a 4.5 also. And some people listening about 1364 01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:46,760 who fucking cares about stars? And I hear you. 1365 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:51,560 The way the world works today, let's go to Benicio Dotoro and 1366 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:56,760 his character. He's kind of the real adult hero 1367 01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,440 of the movie. He represents the most 1368 01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:03,000 contemporary struggle, the most realistic and realist struggle 1369 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,080 the United States is going through to this day and and for 1370 01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,720 the past few decades especially, which is an an attack on the 1371 01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,520 immigrant population in the United States. 1372 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,160 And I think that is the strongest emotional and 1373 01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:14,520 political through line of the film. 1374 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,720 And it's one of the reasons I think the humor didn't land with 1375 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,320 me with the the white supremacist elevated aspects of 1376 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,800 the movie. And it begins in the very first 1377 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,080 act when Tiana Taylor's character is mapping out the 1378 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,880 detention Centers for the French 75 to target. 1379 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,080 And we see kind of like her going in with her team and and 1380 01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,880 getting the soldiers, you know, in the zip ties on in this 1381 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,120 concentration camp and releasing all the people into this van, 1382 01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,040 getting them to escape. And it's a sequence, you know, 1383 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:48,320 that really hit me hard and and left me with a lot of emotions 1384 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,440 that I didn't get a release from yet until like the middle point 1385 01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:54,960 of the movie because I was taking it a lot. 1386 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,960 Because the fact that as soon as we see the back in cross 1387 01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,800 community attacked in the halfway point of the movie when 1388 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,720 Sean Penn's military goes in there, I'm realizing that I'm 1389 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,240 like in a $150 million blockbuster that is willing to 1390 01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:12,080 stage attacks on these ice like concentration camps, showing 1391 01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,680 migrants, showing asylum seeker, showing people of color as the 1392 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,960 ones most brutalized by American violence. 1393 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,800 And that felt really transgressive for me as somebody 1394 01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,600 watches movies a lot and like has a podcast about it because 1395 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,520 we're talking about so much that we just did in our mailbag. 1396 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,200 What is the responsibility of movies when ultimately they are 1397 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,720 products and as much as we want them to be art, they are 1398 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,360 commercial products to a certain extent. 1399 01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,520 And it's something that we grapple with all the time on the 1400 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:40,440 show and how we give more of a responsibility politically to 1401 01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:42,960 movies that cost more money because that's just the way our 1402 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:48,440 capital estate works. And So what was so strange about 1403 01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:50,960 this experience? Was it none of the none of the 1404 01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:55,320 the movie that is picturing the people being detained or being 1405 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,320 held captured by the American military and government felt 1406 01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,840 opportunistic to me. It all felt like really nuanced 1407 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,200 and thoughtful and rooted in the realities of families are being 1408 01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,080 caged or surveilled or displaced. 1409 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,960 And the image in the middle of the movie with Bisseldo Toro 1410 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,960 where he's got his like home, like carved out in his apartment 1411 01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,560 or whatever it was, where he's got like 6 families staying in 1412 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,080 there and he knows everyone's names and he's like introducing 1413 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,400 everyone to Leo Dicaprio's. He's walking through the room. 1414 01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,840 I thought was just like a really impressive portrait of the 1415 01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,200 backbone work of like actual like revolutionary work and what 1416 01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,120 that looks like on the ground. That was just so that was so 1417 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,520 well thought out for me. And I heard that Benicio Latorre 1418 01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,560 had a part in writing that, which is incredible. 1419 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:43,040 Yeah, apparently he when he showed up, he was like, here are 1420 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,800 all the things like this character should do. 1421 01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,680 And they were, they originally only had like a smaller part for 1422 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,680 him and they like took that and like really fleshed out his 1423 01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,240 character. Yeah, well, I could tell which 1424 01:14:56,240 --> 01:15:00,480 parts were written by PTA. Like obviously Benicio Latoro 1425 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,600 playing a karate instructor. The karate instructor is very 1426 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,600 much PTA coded. Boogie Nights. 1427 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,480 Dirk Diggler. Oh, sure. 1428 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,000 And then the idea of him as a community leader and a 1429 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,080 protector, like, I'm sure that was more Del Toro's, you know, 1430 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,920 input on the script. But I just thought was like, so 1431 01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,080 emotionally powerful, like watching him move refugees 1432 01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,840 through tunnels and raising red flags with coded language. 1433 01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,480 And the woman who was working the local store, who was like, 1434 01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:31,080 housing migrants above her store and then again, letting families 1435 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,520 live in his home. It is like the literal inverse 1436 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,760 of Pat Pat or Bob's characters like half hearted. 1437 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,800 Kind of like bumbling revolutionary gestures where you 1438 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,840 have Del Toro's character actually getting to do the like 1439 01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,240 or willing to do the dangerous like self sacrificial exhausting 1440 01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:54,680 work and you have DiCaprio watching Battle of Algiers 1441 01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,240 getting high at home. I just thought that 1442 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:57,640 juxtaposition was really well done. 1443 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,200 I agree and also as he's going through right, I mean, yes, his 1444 01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,400 daughter is missing. So you like you understand why 1445 01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:05,960 he is so fixated on like charging this phone and there's 1446 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,120 a lot of comedy with him, like trying to find an outlet to 1447 01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,840 charge this like phone that he he doesn't keep charge because 1448 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,440 he never thought he would need. That's kind of like that's but 1449 01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:17,040 that's also like, right, a comment on kind of like his 1450 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,880 privilege and distance, right at this like point in his life or 1451 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:25,120 maybe kind of like always like looming right where he didn't 1452 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,520 think he'd need the phone. And he's also so focused on just 1453 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,880 his life or just his daughter in that moment. 1454 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,160 And so like I think that is like very purposeful there. 1455 01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:40,280 And I just, yeah, I mean, I think when PTA is showing 1456 01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:45,720 families hiding in plain sight or you are seeing how Benicio 1457 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,680 Del Toro's character is like casually weaving political 1458 01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,600 action into his daily life, knowing he probably has a family 1459 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,520 too. Where white people in America 1460 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,120 give themselves such excuses when they have families to like, 1461 01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,920 not be politically active anymore and to, like, justify 1462 01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,920 self-interest. I thought was the most powerful 1463 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,000 theme of the movie because it really spoke to what PTA was 1464 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,960 trying to say to give me a language about what he was 1465 01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,880 saying about white fathers in particular in America. 1466 01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:12,600 I mean, I guess I like, I don't know why, but as soon as we go 1467 01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,360 up upstairs above the store, I guess there's a variety of 1468 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,760 reasons, the imagery that we've seen on our phones to what 1469 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,960 people have seen in real life or what they've been going through. 1470 01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,880 But seeing people like sleeping above the store and hiding out 1471 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,600 just like made me start crying in the middle of the theater. 1472 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,920 And I don't know if everyone had that experience, but I was just 1473 01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,560 like devastated. I think it's just the past few 1474 01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,480 years, probably especially or this past decade in the Trump 1475 01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:37,360 era in America. And also, we moved to Denver, 1476 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,560 Co, like a couple years ago, where I teach, and it's become 1477 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:44,920 one of the relatively few spaces in the country where refugees 1478 01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,560 and asylum seekers can come and get an education. 1479 01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,440 And so maybe seeing that more up close has also affected my 1480 01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:54,200 experience with watching this movie. 1481 01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:57,440 But seeing that kind of grassroots care on screen about 1482 01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:01,560 people helping people really made an impact on me in a strong 1483 01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,200 way. And I don't know if I'm giving 1484 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,760 too much credit to Anderson. That's why I'm speaking a lot 1485 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,600 about Del Toro cuz. Cuz apparently that was his 1486 01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:11,160 addition to the. That was his addition. 1487 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,760 I think the performance is like the best shit I've seen from him 1488 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,200 since probably Sicario. Yeah, I think so too. 1489 01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,360 You know, he was great, Venetian's game. 1490 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,240 He was great Venetian's game. And I think that there was a 1491 01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,840 moment that they put in the trailer but felt very like Wes 1492 01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:31,360 Anderson or just very like absurd when he goes into the the 1493 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,880 stairs right underground and then the the carpet kind of like 1494 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:38,520 are the rug rolls, right? It felt like very like carefully 1495 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,520 put and like loved it. Just a Wes Anderson sequence. 1496 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,240 Yeah, a great kind of clip to put in the trailer. 1497 01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,480 But I wish I didn't see it in the trailer because. 1498 01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:48,720 Hard movie to market. Yeah, the trailer is actually 1499 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:49,840 don't tell you anything about this movie. 1500 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,160 It's fascinating. Definitely. 1501 01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,840 But I mean, I can understand like with given, right, the, the 1502 01:18:54,840 --> 01:19:01,200 stakes of these scenes, how maybe you, you felt like, OK, I, 1503 01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,080 I'm not like asking to see a different movie, but I am maybe 1504 01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,960 like thinking it would be interesting because I think that 1505 01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:13,400 we know PTA does have some sort of language, right, That we've 1506 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,360 seen and like there will be blood, for example, even though, 1507 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:20,200 I mean, he's like kind of using a novel to like draw on, but to 1508 01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,800 give the audience some sort of language of like, it's not just 1509 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,440 that this like Christmas adventure club is like just 1510 01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:29,480 these stupid people. It's like, what are what? 1511 01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:34,080 How is this actually being, like maintained and how is this 1512 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,320 actually, you know what I mean, like kind of giving a language 1513 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,320 to that. It would maybe be helpful, yeah. 1514 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,160 I think the left has learned anything in America over the 1515 01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,720 past 10 years is that you can't just reduce conservatism to 1516 01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:54,440 idiocy or it's deeply naive and we've lost in many ways because 1517 01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:56,800 of that. So yeah, I think that's what I 1518 01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,080 was worried about when I saw that joke. 1519 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,160 I was like, not only is that easy, but it's like one of the 1520 01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:01,960 reasons we are where we are and one of. 1521 01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,840 One of the reasons this movie is exploring what is it is 1522 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,520 exploring. So it felt sort of contradictory 1523 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,000 in that way. Yeah, but I think, you know, we 1524 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,560 talked a little bit about this in the the car. 1525 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,920 So I don't know if you want to hit it here or as we get like 1526 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,920 deeper into the plot. But you had a really interesting 1527 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,440 take on the duality, I guess, if you will, of the Leonardo 1528 01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:23,920 DiCaprio figure and then the Sean Penn figure, especially as 1529 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:28,720 they are kind of both essentially, you know, there's 1530 01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,560 this question around like, who is? 1531 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:31,840 Who's the father? Yeah, the father. 1532 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,840 Yeah. So we basically see Regina Hall 1533 01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,520 take Willa to a church. Yeah. 1534 01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,120 Regina Hall, by the way, we can get to her now. 1535 01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:43,360 It's kind of cross cut throughout the movie, her having 1536 01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,720 a conversation with Willa, and it seems to be the same 1537 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,600 conversation. It's cut a few times where 1538 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,120 there's images of her talking to Willa and telling her about her 1539 01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:51,040 mother. Yeah. 1540 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,320 And then you never really see the full conversation. 1541 01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:57,160 And then as Sean Penn's military hones in on where this church 1542 01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:02,560 is, we see Willa and Regina Hall across one another talking at a 1543 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,840 table in the church. And you realize that's really 1544 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,000 the conversation we've been at that's been cross cut throughout 1545 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,240 the film. And then and then I had the 1546 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,840 realization of oh, Regina Hall's sequences of this movie where 1547 01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:18,040 she's like probably at the church like training with Willa 1548 01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:22,400 had mostly cut down, which is really tragic for me because I 1549 01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,720 was actually deeply excited to see what Regina Hall would be 1550 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,040 like in the PTA world because she's one of the funniest actors 1551 01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,640 of her generation and is also not going to been given the 1552 01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,040 opportunity to play more complex dramatic roles. 1553 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:39,080 We just saw her in the movie Master three years ago, which is 1554 01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:43,520 an impressive indie horror film from first time filmmaker I 1555 01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,560 think Maria Ma Diallo. I believe in that movie there is 1556 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:51,800 a scene of one of the young actresses who Regina Hall is 1557 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,200 playing opposite of who is going through a house party and 1558 01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,320 they're playing Chuck West's Mobamba. 1559 01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:00,520 And Mobamba also plays in this movie, which I just wanted to 1560 01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,480 throw out there as PTA might have saw Master. 1561 01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:04,080 So I recommend people check out Master. 1562 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,240 I think that song though was used to greater effect in in 1563 01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:08,520 Master because. It had like a. 1564 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,160 Like a racial commentary to it, which is fascinating. 1565 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,080 But, well, you were asking me about the fathers, right? 1566 01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:15,720 Yeah. OK. 1567 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:21,480 So essentially Willa learns the truth of her mother's like, kind 1568 01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:25,200 of selling out of her team. And then Lockjaw at the same 1569 01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,520 time is trying to prove that he is her biological father. 1570 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:33,440 He comes to do Adna test. And I think it's a, a duality of 1571 01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:37,200 white fatherhood that PTA is exploring here where Bob 1572 01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:42,160 DiCaprio and Lockjaw Pen are two sides of the same coin, kind of 1573 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,280 white fathers torn between their complicity and also their 1574 01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,080 resistance and kind of bound by their whiteness, no matter of 1575 01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,480 their intentions. And so you have Sean Penn who 1576 01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:55,720 leans into his whiteness, willing to like sell his soul to 1577 01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,440 create this ethno state as the head of the military. 1578 01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:03,160 And then you have Leo DiCaprio, who also feels a lot of guilt 1579 01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,120 for his whiteness and then becomes like the 6th man of a 1580 01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,280 revolutionary group. And then also because of his 1581 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,520 privilege, is able to kind of check out and clock out while 1582 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,120 his comrades are killed basically in action. 1583 01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:20,120 And I thought that was a really brutal but honest political 1584 01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:24,400 metaphor through those two characters about how apathetic 1585 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,080 and delusional they both are. And there are more similarities 1586 01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,080 between those characters. And I think a lot of people are 1587 01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,800 going to walk away with the movie from. 1588 01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,560 I thought it's a good take. So I want to throw that out 1589 01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,640 there to people to to wrestle with and let me know what you 1590 01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,760 think. Just because I kept thinking the 1591 01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,240 whole time, what is up with this biological father thing? 1592 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,000 Like why? Why did he? 1593 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,560 I felt like that Tiana Taylor having sex with Sean Penn was 1594 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,920 really forced into the screenplay and I was trying to 1595 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,000 wonder why would he do that? And he, I think he really. 1596 01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,520 Just yeah. Why would he have like the Leo 1597 01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,280 character in the Sean Penn character in conversation of 1598 01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,040 like this fatherhood theme? Yeah. 1599 01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,520 Like basically he was like, how can I create the conceit that we 1600 01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,080 might not know who will his father is? 1601 01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:03,040 And I and I didn't like how he forced it in, obviously with the 1602 01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,000 Tiana Taylor character and we already talked about that, but I 1603 01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:11,360 did, I did appreciate how he was trying to explore how white men 1604 01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,720 in this country are sort of indifferent no matter what 1605 01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,080 political side they're on because their status will be 1606 01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:19,040 protected. So there is like kind of a built 1607 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,800 in ingrained indifference, even if you have the most leftist 1608 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,200 white man who's a part of a revolutionary group versus the 1609 01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,640 most like militant far right ethnocentrist white man. 1610 01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,080 And that kind of through line of whiteness and in the power that 1611 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:34,800 it has in the United States, I thought was like well observed. 1612 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,960 From PCA, yeah, they're like cashing in on their their 1613 01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:42,080 capital like and whiteness and in different ways of like being 1614 01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,520 either apathetic and rationalizing their distance, 1615 01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,520 right. And kind of like having this 1616 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:51,440 narrative of like now too much is at stake and protecting like 1617 01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:56,840 their own nuclear family verse. The the like Sean Penn 1618 01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,600 character, which is obviously like we already talked about. 1619 01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:04,400 He is kind of like self mythologizing that we've already 1620 01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,080 talked about as a through line of other men. 1621 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:12,720 Maybe in in PT as filmography of being this like in his mind, a a 1622 01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:17,040 war hero or that he has to make certain decisions to keep his 1623 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,200 status. And and obviously he doesn't in 1624 01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,000 like a more I just in a heightened way with both, but 1625 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,040 especially Sean Penn's character and also kind of like 1626 01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:31,040 incorporating things about that character, taking himself so 1627 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,480 seriously and the Christmas adventurer so seriously, Right. 1628 01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:40,880 And like the the tight shirt, like, you know, question like 1629 01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:42,960 how he he carries himself. Yeah. 1630 01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,840 Sean Penn good in this movie. I think so. 1631 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,720 OK, a lot of people are saying great in this movie. 1632 01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,440 Yeah, no, I mean, I think so in the role he's asked to play, 1633 01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:57,680 he's like this really interesting like festering kind 1634 01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:02,920 of wound of of like insecurity where he really does do a good 1635 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,000 job. I think of having this like 1636 01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:11,480 masculine front and but at the same time a really portraying a 1637 01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:17,280 really like weak follower. Yeah, I, I guess this is what 1638 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,000 I'm wrestling with with this whole movie, is there are parts 1639 01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,040 of this movie that I really think are powerful and there are 1640 01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,480 other parts of this movie that feel in a very non PTA sense, 1641 01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:28,000 feel sort of like in a different movie. 1642 01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,520 And I hate saying that as like, he's one of my favorite 1643 01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,280 directors, if not my favorite director. 1644 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,680 And that's not in in PT as skill is being able to feel like 1645 01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,720 you're in four different movies. But he built a world in which 1646 01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:42,880 they can all coexist. Yeah. 1647 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,040 And I think he did that here. So I'm not saying he didn't do 1648 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:48,160 that, but I guess the like heightened this of the Sean Penn 1649 01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:52,000 performance. Does, I don't know, make me 1650 01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,840 wish. I guess I wish we just got more 1651 01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,160 of the movie within the movie, which is the Benicio de Toro, 1652 01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:58,520 which is kind of frustrating to me. 1653 01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,640 Or just more of the Leo DiCaprio and Will maybe the last of that 1654 01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:05,600 first 40 minutes and maybe a lot less of Sean Penn in this film. 1655 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,400 It felt way too Tarantino for me in the middle of the PTA movie. 1656 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:09,440 That. That's fair. 1657 01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:11,200 Yeah. I think it was like interesting 1658 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,640 the characters he decided to focus on that don't normally 1659 01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,480 feel like the the characters that he does because he's more 1660 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:21,680 so like highlighting the humanness and like the tragedy 1661 01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:25,800 underneath, like a Daniel Plainview that are also like 1662 01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,320 Christmas adventures. But he's not doing it the same 1663 01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:29,280 way here, You know what I'm saying? 1664 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:34,720 Like so yeah, I I think that that's an interesting point and 1665 01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,960 I kind of agree because it's weird, you know, we're we're 1666 01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,640 going back and forth here. Ultimately, it's it's a 1667 01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,760 successful, you know, PTA project in the tone he's able to 1668 01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:50,120 capture and having it be this like epic journey, but and an 1669 01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,400 emotional journey too, and trying to have Leo get to his 1670 01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,280 daughter. And then also kind of like 1671 01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:59,640 reflecting on sort of in the ways that you're talking about 1672 01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:06,480 the the father figure that he is and like not being ready or like 1673 01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:11,920 the kind of being able to live in a place where or like a mind 1674 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,200 space where he does feel like he'll never have to know the 1675 01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,840 password, right? Or have the phone charged. 1676 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,920 But but at the same time like it is a movie. 1677 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,160 He talked to him on the phone where he's like, listen man, I'm 1678 01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,160 going to find out. Comrade Josh. 1679 01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,600 Yeah, or something, Josh. Yeah, get a new name. 1680 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,360 I love how he like is basically like, can I talk to your 1681 01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:33,880 manager? And he he says like he's gonna, 1682 01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,520 he says some sort of code, right, That you like pulling. 1683 01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,160 Yeah, that all sequence is really funny. 1684 01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,840 And I, I think I already said Dog Day Afternoon was like an 1685 01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,680 inspiration for Leo. And I'm assuming PTA like told 1686 01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,680 him to watch it as well when I talked about the big sequence. 1687 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,480 But I can't remember if I mentioned that he had said that 1688 01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:56,200 he specifically watched Dog Day Afternoon a lot because he 1689 01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:59,040 wanted to capture what Al Pacino was able to do with the phone 1690 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,800 calls because that movie like runs on phone calls. 1691 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,240 But you can go listen to our Dog Day conversation because that's 1692 01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:05,640 like one of my favorite movies all the time. 1693 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,640 But yeah, like that, that was all funny, but ultimately it is 1694 01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:15,400 playing in a a different world than PTA has maybe before and 1695 01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:19,400 what he is focusing on in in terms of like contemporary 1696 01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:24,320 issues and like so directly. And so while, yes, like, we can 1697 01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:28,400 point to point to examples and say, like, I'm glad that he was 1698 01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:32,480 able to include, you know, this in a blockbuster movie 1699 01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:35,000 essentially, or just like a high, you know, budget movie. 1700 01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,960 But at the same time, like here is maybe where he took the foot 1701 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:43,160 off the gas and it's OK to point those things out too, like in a 1702 01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,840 movie that is looking at the issues that it is. 1703 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,280 Speaking of taking your foot off the gas, one of the coolest 1704 01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,640 sequences of the movie is Willa being chased down by one of the 1705 01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:55,280 Christmas elf assassins. You deemed him an elf? 1706 01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,520 She stops. She goes over the hills like 1707 01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:59,720 we're in a Mad Max movie. The camera's like in the front 1708 01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,520 of the car connection sequence. It's really dope when you get to 1709 01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,080 see an IMAX. I'm sure it was like an out of 1710 01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:06,840 body experience for so many, but it was still cool in our in our 1711 01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:09,080 theater. And when she gets out of the car 1712 01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,280 and runs to the hill and he crashed into it and then she 1713 01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,000 shoots him, I was like, this is awesome. 1714 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,040 Like this is like a No country for old men sequence. 1715 01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:17,760 It feels like something from a Cohen's movie honestly, in terms 1716 01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,160 of like action comedy. Or are there other great 1717 01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:25,280 sequences in movie too? And Benicio pushes I almost said 1718 01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:29,360 Tom Cruise but pushes Leo out of the car and he says No Fear like 1719 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,840 Tom fucking Cruise. Which is obviously fun because 1720 01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:38,320 of the Tom Cruise character in Magnolia, but also that, you 1721 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:41,320 know, there's a moment in this when will at the very end once. 1722 01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:47,320 Yeah, once one of the one of the most interesting characters in 1723 01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:50,520 terms of foresight that PTA like wasn't able to see Internet 1724 01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,520 personalities completely, you know, flourish at that moment. 1725 01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,800 But what ATJ Mackey might be today? 1726 01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,960 What's scarier is that those personalities are relevant 1727 01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:02,880 enough then in 1999 for him to make a main character in his 1728 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,320 movie about that. Yeah, open your books to page 1729 01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:10,000 36. Yeah, do not respect woman. 1730 01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,800 Yeah. We'll definitely talk about 1731 01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:17,120 Magnolia on our Boogie Nights and there will be blood and 1732 01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:18,640 hopefully one day do it on the Patreon. 1733 01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,000 But but what was I going to say? Oh yeah, yeah. 1734 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,840 There was a moment where Willa right at the end is like, say 1735 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,840 the code, like say the the password because like, I don't 1736 01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,560 know who you are at this moment. And for whatever reason, because 1737 01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,080 Tom Cruise's name had been dropped in that moment, I was 1738 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,160 just thinking how funny, like the taking off the Leo mask, 1739 01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,640 It's Tom Cruise. Like, because just because she 1740 01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,040 was like, I need to know your actual identity. 1741 01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,720 Yeah. But yeah, a lot of great scenes, 1742 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:50,040 yeah, when we have Leo, like reluctantly leaping from the car 1743 01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,960 right and not and essentially being like pushed out. 1744 01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,280 PTA hasn't jumped over a lot of shit in this. 1745 01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:59,000 Yeah, and we didn't. Talk about the the kind of like 1746 01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:04,560 protest sequence, right where we have also like the the 1747 01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:09,000 militarized, like police right in this like gear. 1748 01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:14,520 Also have someone it's suggested like planted in the protesters 1749 01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,560 to then like incite violence. That's right. 1750 01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,360 I forgot about that. But we have that back-to-back 1751 01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:24,560 with Benito del Toro, like taking Leo through to get a gun, 1752 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,440 to escape, to charge his phone. But then one of the the best 1753 01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:33,400 sequences we didn't talk about was like Leo being led by these 1754 01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,800 like guys who are skateboarding, right? 1755 01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,680 And you're right, that is like. Like 3540 minutes of the movie 1756 01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,840 when Leo escapes in that dungeon under his house, around dungeon, 1757 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,480 but the hole under his home, the tunnel, yeah, tunnel and gets 1758 01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:45,160 off. He's like running. 1759 01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:46,640 Around in his own home. Yeah, running. 1760 01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,880 Around the soccer field, gets into the community, goes to 1761 01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:50,880 Benicio's. Like her? 1762 01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:52,680 Well, I love. Also that he has a big back rack 1763 01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,560 and a very tiny backpack, meaning that he packed that when 1764 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,440 they moved there when she was very young, but hasn't even like 1765 01:32:58,440 --> 01:33:01,360 touched those backpacks since because that, you know, there's 1766 01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,320 not 2 like adult sized backpacks. 1767 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,080 It's like a tiny backpack that he hasn't even like thought of. 1768 01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,240 It's just been like stowed away. Oh my God. 1769 01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,280 But yeah, it's. Actually a Robin Williams role. 1770 01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,480 It's just a strange role that he's playing in this movie. 1771 01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,640 The just the tenderness. Yeah, it's a hard thing to nail. 1772 01:33:18,440 --> 01:33:19,000 Sorry. Go ahead. 1773 01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:26,880 But when he is jumping over all this shit, I like, OK, we're 1774 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,120 only 30, right? So like we're obviously still 1775 01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:32,720 young, but OK, we're feeling our knees at this point. 1776 01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,800 We talked about IMAX experiences, the the Christopher 1777 01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,680 Nolan Imax's of like the three hour long movie sitting in a 1778 01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,440 seat without a recliner, right? Your, your knees are killing 1779 01:33:42,440 --> 01:33:46,240 you. And to watch Leo just like jump 1780 01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:50,840 at like half the speed that all these like young guys are as 1781 01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:52,560 they're leaping over roofs and ships. 1782 01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:57,320 That was so funny. And and and then ultimately when 1783 01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:00,920 he falls from the. All on his. 1784 01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:04,400 Face he goes to the app through the the trees and just like you 1785 01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,400 really feel like when he hits on the. 1786 01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,880 Ground I feel like is PTA playing in multiple world or 1787 01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,120 multiple movies in the same world that can coexist without 1788 01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:17,280 having to go to like there is an underground golf simulator where 1789 01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,840 like 4 old white fascists are like running the country 1790 01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,840 secretly like I that does that make sense? 1791 01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:24,880 I don't want to harp on it but does that make sense? 1792 01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,080 Like it feels like you can still have Leo falling 40 feet face 1793 01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,960 first on the ground and getting up and being OK relatively 1794 01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,000 without going to that extreme anyways. 1795 01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:38,080 But. We also have them, him in the 1796 01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,120 hospital. I think we may have touched on 1797 01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:42,520 it. But the idea that, like, Benito 1798 01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,840 del Toro has like, friends everywhere, which you whispered 1799 01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,360 over to me, like, Andor, Right. I have friends everywhere. 1800 01:34:48,440 --> 01:34:50,920 Yeah. And the the nurse comes in, is 1801 01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:52,640 like, takes off his cuffs. You're going to go down the 1802 01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:54,440 hallway, go through the fire escape. 1803 01:34:54,440 --> 01:34:58,560 And he's like, so confused now. Do you guys have free Food 1804 01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,600 First? And he's also, I'm like, he must 1805 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,200 have cracked a rib or something, but. 1806 01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,080 Benicio, which is honestly hit me hard as I have a case of 1807 01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,600 Modello downstairs. So Benicio just like handing him 1808 01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:12,920 two Modell's as he walks into gets into the car. 1809 01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:14,880 I was like, that's yeah, that's great. 1810 01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,800 I love how he's like, like how he's like just thanking him like 1811 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:22,960 he's just in such shock because he like is not like thinking 1812 01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:24,240 about the next thing. He's just. 1813 01:35:24,440 --> 01:35:27,400 What was the quote Leo said in this movie where he told his 1814 01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,880 daughter he's like, I've been drinking and driving forever, I. 1815 01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,720 Know I love that sequence at the the beginning when she's like, I 1816 01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,480 don't want to babysit you, you know, and he goes from like 1817 01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:38,040 being really defensive and really annoyed He's like I yeah, 1818 01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,480 that was really funny when he's like, what are you talking 1819 01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:41,800 about? I know how to drink and drive 1820 01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,320 right? But he also then immediately 1821 01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,280 when she I forget exactly what she says, he goes, you know 1822 01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:49,360 what? You're right. 1823 01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:50,680 Like I'm going to shut the fuck up. 1824 01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,200 Like I you're actually right. And like I need to reflect on 1825 01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:57,200 what I'm doing and like, I want you to never like hold anything 1826 01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,160 back for me. Yeah, Yeah, it was a good 1827 01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:01,520 moment. Some other things we forgot 1828 01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,240 about were just the the coded language of this film. 1829 01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,280 I know we talked about the code stuff over the over the phone 1830 01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,360 that, you know, DiCaprio is going through. 1831 01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,840 But there's another guy who hands a guy on the French 75 who 1832 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,800 hands DiCaprio those two devices for one for him and his daughter 1833 01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:17,240 Melody. And he comes back later in the 1834 01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:20,240 movie where he's like sitting at a radio broadcast and they show 1835 01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:23,240 how he just is like has a day job, but he also goes to give 1836 01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,240 people cards, I'm sure to help them. 1837 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,280 He's like helping different people who need help, I guess. 1838 01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:32,000 And he goes home to like do his little podcast, But he was like 1839 01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,920 a political podcast talking about how, you know, we need to 1840 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,960 fight back against the state. And these two boys are hanging 1841 01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:44,040 out on the side as they watch one of the the the indigenous 1842 01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,040 cops. Basically, he like comes, I 1843 01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:47,880 don't know what his role is. I don't know if he's a cop or 1844 01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:51,600 not, but he's basically like AI found it like an assassin. 1845 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,000 Yeah, it's it's suggested that he's like a a hit man that's 1846 01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,320 like hired by the cops. Right. 1847 01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,040 And he's a really cool character, which we really need 1848 01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:04,120 to talk about because he comes in and tries to help Sean Penn 1849 01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:07,160 take Willa. And then when he takes Willa, he 1850 01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:09,440 immediately feels like a type of guilt because she's a kid. 1851 01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,320 But also he sort of has a breaking point when he drops 1852 01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,560 Willa off with these other assassins. 1853 01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:20,600 Yeah, I heard someone say in like a review that the that 1854 01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:25,280 group of assassins were called like 1776 or something. 1855 01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,760 I don't know if that's true. Oh, interesting. 1856 01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:28,480 Oh, I think Sean Penn did say that. 1857 01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:31,040 He said drop him off at 1776. Yeah, yeah. 1858 01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,720 But I, I love that moment again, people helping people about this 1859 01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:38,320 guy being like, fuck this shit. Like, I'm not doing this shit 1860 01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,480 anymore. This is like madding. 1861 01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:44,120 Like, I'm not going to like, sacrifice more people of color 1862 01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:46,680 in this disastrous country. So like, I'm going to actually 1863 01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:50,080 go in there and kill the 1776 guys and then let Willa get out 1864 01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:51,360 of here without even knowing her. 1865 01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,240 I just thought that was really bad ass and just it's it's said 1866 01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:55,920 a lot without saying anything. The dialogue. 1867 01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,680 And that's just like a feat of this movie that I wanted to 1868 01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,080 highlight. It's really impressive. 1869 01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:03,880 But that you were talking about the the boys outside of the. 1870 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:08,800 So those two boys see that that cop come in and like take the 1871 01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:12,440 guy in the broadcast and they take him away and the boys run 1872 01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:15,520 into the house and they send their own coded message out to 1873 01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,640 anybody else listening. And I thought that was really, 1874 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,000 really cool. Again, going back to like how 1875 01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,520 there's like this inherent vice quality to this movie of like 1876 01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,920 where the master of what is what is real, what I'm watching 1877 01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,560 because they don't show anything too surreal again, up until like 1878 01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,040 we have the the Christmas people. 1879 01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,320 But like, yeah, I love that moment. 1880 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:33,720 That was great. Yeah. 1881 01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:36,440 And then I guess while we're naming things that we forgot to 1882 01:38:36,440 --> 01:38:39,200 talk about, there was that really funny scene where Leo 1883 01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:41,960 goes high to the parent teacher conference, right. 1884 01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,320 That was good. And he's like, you got to like 1885 01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:49,280 teach the right history. It's important like. 1886 01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,760 As a as a history teacher, I usually have the opposite 1887 01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:55,000 happen. He's like, hey, make sure you 1888 01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,720 teach the right history because I'm not seeing a lot of the 1889 01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:58,360 right history on these walls. Yeah, yeah. 1890 01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:03,000 I'm like. That exactly, but you know, 1891 01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:08,000 there's also like and of course, like in that sequence, he it's 1892 01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,440 interesting. I don't think people would like 1893 01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:12,880 necessarily pick up on this, but him telling the teacher like, 1894 01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,640 you know, you need to teach this instead of like actually 1895 01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:19,320 understanding the institutional like inter workings and power of 1896 01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:24,960 how curriculum is is decided on. And then teachers are kind of 1897 01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,720 like put in a position of like needing to meet this curriculum 1898 01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:32,040 as we're seeing like all over the US right now of suppressing 1899 01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,200 what can be taught in the classroom anyway. 1900 01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:39,400 But it kind of like does add to his distance of like actually 1901 01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:42,000 understanding like what's going on totally. 1902 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:47,120 But but I I like that scene. It was funny and. 1903 01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,120 I mean, it's also just a showcase for Leo. 1904 01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,680 It just starts crying in the middle in the middle of this 1905 01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:53,360 conference where it turns into like a therapy. 1906 01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,840 Well, I love how like she has a, you know, like an adult to an 1907 01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:57,880 adult. It's like, I can see this is 1908 01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:59,800 like very emotional for you. Are you OK? 1909 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,720 And then also, I guess while we're, you know, talking about 1910 01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,480 the, oh, we didn't talk about the the kind of like car chase 1911 01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:13,040 sequence as much when the elf shoots Sean Penn in the face, 1912 01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,760 that was like, whoa, you know, because I didn't expect him to 1913 01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:17,600 come out of nowhere. That's when we learned he was 1914 01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:19,120 the assassin. Because the Christmas. 1915 01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:22,320 Adventures he was. Just alive, walking around. 1916 01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:26,680 And then also Leo pulls up on that, thinks that his daughter 1917 01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:29,520 is in that car, right, and dead and doesn't realize there's that 1918 01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,040 moment where you're like, Oh my God, when he passes his 1919 01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:33,880 daughter. Yeah, I hate that trope in 1920 01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:35,680 movies. I hate when Breakers just miss 1921 01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:36,800 each. Other I thought it worked. 1922 01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:38,960 It does work, it's just one of my least favorite things. 1923 01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:43,720 Yeah, and then but the the whole like car chase sequences we're 1924 01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,360 really well, it's something that we're done really well. 1925 01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:49,440 It's not something we've seen PTA really do right. 1926 01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:54,000 I know in there was a cut scene from buggy nights that I haven't 1927 01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:57,680 seen, but I guess we'll watch before we do the episode with 1928 01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,440 the a car crash. But I haven't really seen him do 1929 01:41:00,440 --> 01:41:04,320 like a a car crash like this before where you know, chase 1930 01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,040 Infinity like stops the car there's. 1931 01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:09,400 A moment there's a. Huge like Fender Bender right 1932 01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:11,320 where she's like waiting to shoot him. 1933 01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,680 Yeah, there's a moment, licorice pizza, where Alana is with 1934 01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:16,760 Cooper's, like driving the car down. 1935 01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:20,720 Oh yeah, and Bradley Cooper's in the next seat as well as he's 1936 01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:24,200 trying to flirt with Alana. Well, also though like like when 1937 01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:26,440 they're when he's chasing them too, right. 1938 01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:30,560 They're like escaping. Oh yes, yeah, Bradley Cooper is 1939 01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,800 a is an underrated kind of like Philip Seymour Hoffman presents. 1940 01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,840 Actually, yeah, he he's like playing a mattress man level. 1941 01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:40,960 Older line like BDDL kind of actor he can bring he can bring 1942 01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:42,720 the Daniel Plainview to some movies. 1943 01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:46,480 Yeah. And so I yeah, just all the all 1944 01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:49,120 the car crash sequences were were great or like car chase 1945 01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:51,640 sequences. And especially when at the very 1946 01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:57,960 end when we have Chase Infinity and then Elf and then Leo 1947 01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:00,320 behind, you know? I like how he's just become Elf 1948 01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,720 I. Just can't see him any other way 1949 01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:05,440 now. 2 hour pod. And then obviously like the the 1950 01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:08,560 very end, you know, where we have Sean Penn's character kind 1951 01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,200 of like getting this corner office right? 1952 01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:16,920 He is inducted what he so he thinks right into this group. 1953 01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:21,200 And then there there's this just empty fucking office in an empty 1954 01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:24,680 office building. And I think, you know, like more 1955 01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:28,680 and more like since 2020. And we have like work from home, 1956 01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:32,920 right? This kind of like absurdity of 1957 01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:37,400 this image, right, of an American dream of getting this 1958 01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:39,640 corner office. So you can sit your whole 1959 01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:44,320 fucking life from 9:00 to 5:00 in a in a square box. 1960 01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,520 But at least you have a view of the window, you know, like, and 1961 01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,440 at least you have power over people at your at your job. 1962 01:42:50,440 --> 01:42:54,400 Like that absurdity in that moment where he puts his feet up 1963 01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,920 on the desk. I thought was really like, well 1964 01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,440 observed, you know? But then he's just like, killed, 1965 01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:02,560 right? Kind of interesting that this 1966 01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:06,880 movie, The ending of this movie was borderline the same as the 1967 01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:10,320 ending of Eddington. Yeah, yeah, we talked about 1968 01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,360 this, you know, on that episode too. 1969 01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:20,000 But I think it may be like a a generational kind of issue may 1970 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:23,440 be going on here in terms of like Ari Oster and then PTA 1971 01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:28,560 including humor around disability in their movies as 1972 01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:33,760 just like a very strange like I I don't know how else to put it. 1973 01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:38,240 Maybe besides the the idea that like in both movies, at the the 1974 01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:42,880 end of the movie, it's framed as like these people like got what 1975 01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:47,600 they maybe like deserved through then like being disabled. 1976 01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:50,360 Well, yeah, it's not malicious intent targeted at someone with 1977 01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,400 disabilities. It's just going back to your, 1978 01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,160 But you just said it is saying these people got what they. 1979 01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:57,880 Deserved using the idea yeah that like people with 1980 01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:03,800 disabilities are other are seen like as like undesirable or 1981 01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:08,360 different like in society and then like putting that into your 1982 01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:15,120 movie as to like characterize A villainous figure, which I just 1983 01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:18,600 think is like it's not even me being again like some people 1984 01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,800 might hear this and think it's like AI guess snowflake. 1985 01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:23,760 I would say 90. Percent of people will hear this 1986 01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:28,960 and think that, yeah, I, I think that it's such a, a low, like a 1987 01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:32,880 shallow, yeah, like form of humor that isn't, I don't know. 1988 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,760 I just think it's like, gross to hear people laugh at it in the 1989 01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,560 theater. It's for people who think, like, 1990 01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:39,400 early 2000s comedies are five stars. 1991 01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:41,600 Yeah, Yeah. And those people exist and they 1992 01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:43,040 make movies and they're in the audience. 1993 01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:46,520 So like, yeah. And just my my last thing that 1994 01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:50,920 we haven't talked about is I think his name is Tony Goldwyn, 1995 01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:55,240 but he is one of the Christmas adventurers people. 1996 01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:59,720 He is the president in the TV series Scandal, which I watched 1997 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,720 basically all of while I had a concussion once in college. 1998 01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:08,520 And I just want to shout him out and his casting in this because 1999 01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:12,320 I feel like he has such an interesting presence that 2000 01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:18,000 similar to how Martin Scorsese really used the coach Taylor of 2001 01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:22,440 a Kyle Chandler in his, you know, Wolf of Wall Street, which 2002 01:45:22,440 --> 01:45:25,880 is so funny. He was playing opposite Leo that 2003 01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:30,840 this character in this casting was really, really well thought 2004 01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:31,800 out. Can you remind? 2005 01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,120 Me of the guy who plays Jared. I forget his last name in 2006 01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:38,240 succession, but he's good. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause he 2007 01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,120 has this like dog. Sling Neoconservative. 2008 01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,400 Yeah, there's something about like his bone structure, you 2009 01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,240 know that like. But it's also a little sneaky 2010 01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:49,680 'cause he is very hot, so you're kind of like, oh, I can see how 2011 01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:50,920 this could be deceptive. It's scandal. 2012 01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,440 He's pretty hot. I mean, not him and Kerry 2013 01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:57,760 Washington are like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, extra credits to 1 2014 01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:02,240 battle after another. I guess I'll go first 'cause I 2015 01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:03,920 know sometimes you don't prepare these. 2016 01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:07,280 I That wasn't meant as a shot. No, I totally forgot. 2017 01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:11,840 Go ahead. You should make yours a duality 2018 01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,440 of the Father's. I think that's a good. 2019 01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,400 Yeah, I guess Hate. That not everyone would 2020 01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:17,640 immediately pick up. Yeah, I guess I already said the 2021 01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:19,120 duality of the Father, so I'll keep that. 2022 01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:23,360 But I also want to add that I think this movie's incredibly 2023 01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:25,680 important right now. And even though we've had 2024 01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:28,680 criticisms on this podcast, that's no normal for our show. 2025 01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:31,680 We have criticisms and movies that we love or just like or 2026 01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,000 just like whatever across the spectrum. 2027 01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:39,760 But I think this movie is incredibly powerful and 2028 01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,520 important and going to be cathartic for a lot of people 2029 01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:48,920 because of the kind of collected, defeated attitude so 2030 01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:52,160 many of us have toward the country right now and the ways 2031 01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:55,240 that we're all seeing, like fascistic tendencies in our 2032 01:46:55,240 --> 01:47:01,080 government, in our market. And I think the idea that we are 2033 01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:04,600 seeing a movie in the mainstream that cost $150 million, that is 2034 01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:08,320 about the power of community and small acts that hold people 2035 01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:11,240 together in this major blockbuster. 2036 01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:15,640 Where the final line from the father who's indifferent and 2037 01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:20,000 apathetic to his daughter, who's now like this, you know, 2038 01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:23,960 headstrong possible revolutionary figure, where he's 2039 01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:26,680 like, be careful on her way to. Oh yeah, I forgot at the end 2040 01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:29,640 that we forgot to mention that that she's like on now the the 2041 01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:33,440 radio like wavelength and now taking calls right to go like 2042 01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:35,680 out to help. Yeah, and he's like, be careful. 2043 01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:37,920 And she says I won't. Oh, she does. 2044 01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,240 And pick that up. And I was like, oh, that's 2045 01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:43,040 pretty awesome. And I, I think a lot of people 2046 01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:46,560 need that right now in a time of censorship, in particular across 2047 01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,720 the country, I think a lot of people need to hear something 2048 01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:50,080 like that. And even though this is a 2049 01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:51,920 commercial product costs all this money, these are 2050 01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,080 millionaires making these things are millionaires profiting off 2051 01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,600 of them. It is one of the most accessible 2052 01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,640 and universal pieces of art that we have today. 2053 01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:04,200 And I can't think of a better theme or through line then kind 2054 01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:07,040 of collective interest to put in a movie in the United States 2055 01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:09,240 right now. And so in a time where we're 2056 01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:12,480 like lauding Oppenheimer and Barbie as being these great 2057 01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:16,080 political pieces of entertainment, this was a true 2058 01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,480 political piece of entertainment that I think is superior to 2059 01:48:19,480 --> 01:48:21,320 those other two movies. And please don't come for me 2060 01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:22,480 about Oppenheimer in the comments. 2061 01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:26,120 I like, I like Oppenheimer and I like Barbie, but I like this 2062 01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:28,560 movie a bit more. So yeah. 2063 01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:31,280 Yeah, OK. I think that's a a great point. 2064 01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:35,040 Great extra credit, my extra credit, which I did forget about 2065 01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:41,120 and it's only the, you know, the name of our podcast, but is 2066 01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:44,680 Benicio del Toro's character. And I guess by extension, like 2067 01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:48,640 his input in the movie then, because I didn't realize that he 2068 01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:54,880 like had such a say or creative input on his character and 2069 01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:58,000 really like flushing out what what he was doing because PTA 2070 01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:02,120 said that he was really just like a maybe a smaller role. 2071 01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,560 And Benicio came in and was like, here, it's actually like 2072 01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:09,200 what this character is about and how he's kind of like a hero and 2073 01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:10,920 helping his community. Which is arguably the most 2074 01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:13,800 important sequence of the. Movie And I think, you know, we, 2075 01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,600 we have to come back to what we talked about on the Erin 2076 01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:19,480 Brockovich podcast, which we know is also a commercial 2077 01:49:19,480 --> 01:49:24,760 product and like very much in the vein of kind of a contained 2078 01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:29,320 90s exploration, although I may have been made in the 2000s, OK, 2079 01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:33,000 whatever. It feels like the 90s, but OK, 2080 01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,240 still feel like the early 2000s, right. 2081 01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:40,080 But what we talked about in that episode and I think, you know, a 2082 01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:44,280 rally and cry for this podcast is hot people help people, 2083 01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:47,200 right. Like, and so I think, you know, 2084 01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:49,960 we obviously need more of that in movies. 2085 01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:53,520 And I I just think that his you're right to point out that 2086 01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:56,160 his stretch of the movie and his characters actually like the 2087 01:49:56,160 --> 01:50:02,520 most important in kind of giving us also a lens into the the 2088 01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:06,640 distance that Leonardo Dicaprio's character was able to 2089 01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:11,040 have in terms of him having the title of saying like he keeps 2090 01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:14,080 introducing himself as like one of the French 75. 2091 01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,640 But Benicio del Toro's characters like, obviously like 2092 01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:21,720 doing the work, right. And so, yeah, I think that's 2093 01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:25,640 like the best sequence, best character in the movie and 2094 01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:28,600 overall, you know, to to just close out here. 2095 01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:32,920 I I really enjoyed the movie. I think I enjoyed the Christmas 2096 01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:36,560 adventurer like kind of joke a little bit more than you. 2097 01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:40,440 And but I under I totally understand your critique and I 2098 01:50:40,440 --> 01:50:44,120 think listeners will as well. But will they that's. 2099 01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:46,200 The last question I was going to ask you because even though I 2100 01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:49,800 find this movie to be deeply moving and entertaining, are 2101 01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:51,560 people going to be pissed off by this episode? 2102 01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,720 Oh, that we're criticizing APTA movie? 2103 01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:55,960 Yeah, maybe. You know, this is like our 2104 01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:58,560 director and he's made some of our favorite movies. 2105 01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,200 Yeah, to those people who have a criticism, I would just, like, 2106 01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:04,200 invite you instead of leaving some sort of weird review that's 2107 01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:06,080 all about you. Because like, we honestly don't 2108 01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:08,400 like, we care if you want to have a conversation, but we 2109 01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,560 don't care about your critique if you're like being strange and 2110 01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:12,240 like. Conversational criticism being 2111 01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:13,560 about like, why? You are right. 2112 01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:17,560 Then go start your own podcast. You know, Best Best Buy does 2113 01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:21,760 sell mics, Best Buy and you know a bunch of other places sell 2114 01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:24,400 mics, but. We heard of such a bad podcast 2115 01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:26,880 on the crisp pizza that we were like, we should go make our own. 2116 01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,320 And so if you heard such a bad podcast today on one battle 2117 01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:31,160 after another, make sure you leave us five stars, leave a 2118 01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:34,000 review, follow the Patreon free member, never listen to the show 2119 01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:35,320 again, and go make your own show. 2120 01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:37,280 You're welcome. Yeah. 2121 01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:41,760 And I, I guess just like a, a last a few things before we head 2122 01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,800 out. I think I was talking about like 2123 01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:48,720 the Leo and PTA interview, but I didn't, I think I mentioned that 2124 01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,080 it was on the big pick, but I just wanted to like also, so 2125 01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:53,920 people knew where I was like getting some of those quotes or 2126 01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,120 talking about like Leo, you know, making certain like 2127 01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,960 observations. I was, you know, talking about 2128 01:51:59,960 --> 01:52:03,960 it from Sean's conversation with Leo and PTA, which was really 2129 01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:06,280 cool that he was able to talk to them. 2130 01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:11,280 We're actually going to have Sean on the pod later this year 2131 01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,040 at some point when we can figure it out. 2132 01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:16,120 But yeah, so, so excited for that. 2133 01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:18,920 That's also what we have like coming up in the future on, on 2134 01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:22,880 the main feed for new listeners. You know, we do have the Phantom 2135 01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:24,360 Thread episode. If you sign up for free on 2136 01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:26,760 Patreon, you can have access to that. 2137 01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,960 And then of course, check out 1001 if you haven't already. 2138 01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:34,280 Our conversation with our Trace conversation with AB Rockwell, 2139 01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:36,760 because that's a really underrated movie, I think. 2140 01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:39,160 And and Tiana Taylor is like performance and that is so 2141 01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:41,720 amazing. And if you like movies about 2142 01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:44,400 revolutions, and I'm thinking about this because Tiana Taylor 2143 01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:47,240 is like one of the the up and coming even she's already been a 2144 01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:50,640 star before being an actor, but like up and coming like powerful 2145 01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,760 black actresses in Hollywood. If you want to see a movie with 2146 01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,320 powerful black actresses, black actors and made by black film 2147 01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:59,800 makers, that is like this movie in terms of revolutions, watch 2148 01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:02,200 Judas and the Black Messiah, which is one of the great films 2149 01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:04,840 of the twenty 20s. That is about a lot of the ideas 2150 01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,680 in this film. That was a movie I thought a lot 2151 01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:10,160 about while watching this movie because a lot of credit that's 2152 01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:14,440 going to this movie actually was not given to Judas and the Black 2153 01:53:14,440 --> 01:53:15,680 Messiah. Because I think actually during 2154 01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:17,680 pandemic, you know, Judas and the Black Messiah, while it's a 2155 01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,480 different movie and it's not really like, you know, playing 2156 01:53:20,480 --> 01:53:26,040 in a a humorous tone does a lot of the same like issues or 2157 01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:28,280 topics in this movie, but better, right, 'cause it's also 2158 01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:30,680 like a drama and it's able to more seriously tackle it. 2159 01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,280 But yeah. Chaka King hasn't made a movie 2160 01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:35,080 since 2021. Studios, I know. 2161 01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:39,840 What are we doing? OK, we'll be back soon in a few 2162 01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:43,560 weeks and we'll see you probably for Luca Guanino episode. 2163 01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:45,000 Depends on how we feel about that movie. 2164 01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:45,960 I don't know. We'll see. 2165 01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:49,320 But we'll have horror October coming up, lots of stuff coming 2166 01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:51,480 in October, but we will see about that movie, yeah. 2167 01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:54,160 Alright guys, that was the extra credits of 1 battle after 2168 01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:57,560 another peace out. No Fear like Tom Cruise.