The Welcome back to the Extra Credits.
It's the end of February and today's episode is going to be a
little bit different. The plan is to talk about 3 new
movie releases and Withering Heights, How to Make a Killing
and Crime 101 while also catching up on everything we've
been watching lately from movies to TV.
I'm Trey. I'm Kelsey.
We are doing a lot on Patreon right now.
We're covering Sinners with our second deep dive on that movie.
We covered it when it first came out, and our listeners over on
Patreon voted for us to cover that film versus all the other
Best Picture nominees, which is cool because Sinners is the most
nominated film of all time, which is insane and awesome.
And we're going to be doing a deep dive on that film tomorrow
morning, probably. And then the other Patreon
episode we're recording this month is going to be our first
annual Extra Credits Cup. What does that consist of?
Still figuring it out it looks. Like it's going to be like that.
What does that mean? I I still don't know.
Sort of a best of episodes, sort of a Olympics style themed March
Madness bracket thing. I don't know.
We'll see. We'll see how it goes.
It's going to be a lot of like US juggling a lot of different
ideas in different movies live on the podcast.
I'm ready for it. Also, quick reminder at the top,
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I've been posting a lot more over there.
Short reviews, movie news reactions, jumping into some
film discourse. I probably shouldn't be just for
the, I guess, the sanity of myself.
Yeah, go follow Trey on TikTok. It's a hard job, everyone, to
put yourself out there on an app.
It's actually not hard at all. It's like, press the big red
button, press it again. But I feel like I would feel
particularly vulnerable being on TikTok talking about something
by myself. So I think you're doing a great
job and you should follow Trey. I like watching your videos.
I yeah, well, I appreciate that. I feel like you have to say
that, but those videos from TikTok are also on Instagram.
So for those of you who don't have TikTok, they're on Insta.
One of our listeners shout out busy recommended that to us and
we were like, that's a great idea.
We will do that. I was like, I don't know if
Instagram can take my long ass 7 minute TikTok video, but it did.
So thank you Insta. So we haven't recorded in a long
time, but it's I think it's been like 3 or 4 weeks, but the
Oscars are right around the corner.
We were going to wait to just do that Oscars kind of prediction
or reaction episode. But as we're getting closer and
closer to the end of February, we thought there's a lot of
interesting movies coming out right now.
Maybe this would be a good time to talk about what we've been
watching lately and also these new releases.
I'm also just getting excited because it's already starting
off with it just a really weird but fun year in movies.
Like, I like going to the theater right now and I don't
remember having that same experience at the beginning of
2025 where I think it took a little bit longer for us to get
better movies. And having 28 years later, Part
2, crime one O 1, the discourse around Wuthering Heights, which
I think is interesting. There's just a lot of people
wanting to go to the movies right now, which I find to be
really fun. Like we went to go see How to
Make a Killing. How to Make a Killing.
Is that what it's called? Yeah, Yeah.
Last night. And it was a packed, sold out
theater on Friday night. I.
Think we're having a good time? Or at least one guy was.
There was one guy behind me who just kept laughing at every
other joke. And I laughed with him.
Not because I thought the jokes were funny.
I thought like 50% of them were funny, but he was really funny.
Yeah. Trey was like, I wish that guy
was in every theater experience. He would just, like, make
everything better. Better yeah, but yeah, I will
say for, you know, the the year starting out, it's like pretty
medium strong, which is positive.
Like that's great. Usually these couple months is
just like not great movies. We're always like, what should
we cover in this weird spell like from end of year to Oscars?
So yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm having a lot of fun too.
And I'm not complaining that like, these are the best movies
I've ever seen. Like we did send help on the
main feed and I was like, yeah, that was just a good time.
Forgot about it. Yeah, that was a really good
time. Which I want to talk about send
help in comparison to how to make a killing today because I
feel like they're similar tiered movies but but yeah, so I I
agree like it's been really fun. But for listeners to another
reason to follow us on TikTok is Trey has been going to see the
movies and he's like getting to them quicker.
So if you want to hear our thoughts, besides obviously like
following us on Letterbox, Trey's telling you his thoughts,
but also. Basically.
Yeah, on TikTok, so you can like get our take our our review like
sooner and then listen to the the main feed later.
On Yeah, for example, some new releases that are coming out or
have come out already around the country.
Nirvana, The Band, The Show, The Movie and Pillion.
I'll be going to see both of those this week and I'll
probably have some videos on that coming out pretty soon.
The new Scream film releases on Thursday this week and we love
the Scream franchise. I'm not really sure if we're
going to cover that one. I think after the Melissa
Barrera firing, we just were like, what the fuck?
And so I don't, I'm not really sure how we're going to handle
that or we'll see where we land on that.
I think it would be fun to do like a Scream ranking video.
So I might do something like that to revisit maybe the Scream
movies just to rank them leading up to this new one.
That would be fun. OK, before we get into this trio
of movies and Wuthering Heights Crime 101, How to make a
Killing, I want to talk about what we've been watching in
February because this is always our most busy month in our
careers. I feel like like our actual jobs
with your PhD and teaching and then me with teaching high
school, but also our most busy month watching all the movies we
missed from 2025 because we're starting to finish off our list
of everything that we missed on our watch list.
So we can have this like full ranking of a top 15, top 25,
whatever movies. So we can prepare for that big
episode on the main feed probably at the beginning of
March. So we've been seeing a lot.
So I thought we'd go through some of these these films we've
been watching starting off. Most recently we watched How to
How to Make a Killing, obviously.
I keep you like I'm like, especially since I just said
send album like sent OK, how to make a killing.
I know it's killing me or I'm like also.
I think it's a bad title. We grew up with how to lose a
guy in 10 days. Like the the how, Yeah.
How to make a killing is a lot to do.
I understand. It's like a play on how to make
a living. Yeah, I get it.
Yeah. But it is a lot for my mind to
for some reason. And also kill.
Yeah, OK, one of them days, the Keke Palmer movie after this
film, which is sort of like an interesting blend of like
illusions to Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing.
And also the Friday films, which I haven't seen that kind of
comedy energy in a long time, and mainstream movies, which is
really cool. Very refreshing.
I think Keke Palmer might be a comedic genius.
She's so good. She's incredible.
She's just so funny. There's so many great one liners
in this film. So if you've not seen this movie
even though it's been out for basically a year now, please
check it out. Train Dreams.
Well, wait, also, Scissor was like, Scissor was great.
I thought. Like their friendship together
was great. Yeah.
And the guy who played her boyfriend was really funny,
especially his introduction. That was great.
I went straight to Train Dreams just because I got excited.
There's always a movie every year that I like being a hater
about that is well liked. You know, for a lot of people in
2025, that was Hamnet. People liked to hate Hamnet.
And to those people, I say fuck you.
Hamnet was my favorite movie. Just kidding, though, about the
FU, but Train Dreams is that movie for me.
I really did not like this film. Yeah, I, I, I think I hated it.
We'll we'll not say too much about this movie because we'll
certainly talk about it on our end of your list because we'll
just come into the conversation. I guess maybe if we do like an
Oscars, you know, episode. But yeah, I mean, I wasn't
really interested in it either. I think when it started out, I
was like, oh, wow, this has a lot of potential.
I was interested in it, but there's like only, you know, so
much I could really like latch onto in the like continuous like
rehashing of what we saw in the very beginning that wasn't
really deepened. And so it I don't know, I
understand, I guess why people felt a connection to it because
it felt like this kind of like hypnotizing experience, but it
just like was not a movie that either of us kind of like latch
onto. It's I when you're saying like
people love to hate Hamnet this year, I feel like it's similar
to how we kind of felt about like the Brutalist last year
where it was like, I understand like the stylistic things that
people are watching onto and it is ambitious in that sense.
The bigness of the score. The scope of the story.
But it felt like, what are we really talking about here?
Like when we get down to what's going on in the movie.
And so yeah, we'll, we'll, I guess we'll talk about it more
in our kind of like we won't discussion.
We won't no so I. Mean we're only going to do our
top what, like 15 or something? Something like that, I haven't
decided yet. Maybe top 20, I don't know.
Maybe, maybe top ten, I don't know.
OK, so it won't make our top, it won't make our top 20?
So even to be fair, I I think this movie is objectively well
crafted with like some really pretty imagery, sometimes even
like really beautiful imagery. And I think there are some solid
performances in it. But I felt like it was just a
hyper polished streaming era. I called it a consignment store
movie on our letterbox review, like basically the TJ Maxx of
movies where I felt like it was so over designed, overly safe.
It was like eat pray love the movie to a certain degree for
me. And I hate when movies pretend
that they're doing something profound in their character
studies to not actually do anything that's confrontational.
And I just felt so non confronted by it or unconfronted
by it. It reminded me a lot of
Nomadland, a close house movie from a few years ago.
And as far as it being like, here's some like anti capitalist
critiques, here's some class commentaries, here's some maybe
like colonial commentaries. And then sort of never really
leaning hard enough into the really confront or provoke the
audience. And I found that to be like
weirdly dulling. Well it's because both of those
movies like sympathize way too heavily with this kind of like
white seemingly caring yet ultimately like apathetic person
who doesn't really like do things about the things they
feel guilty about. Half indictment on its own
character. Yeah, So they they feel like,
OK, like, you know, the kind of end message of this movie is
supposed to feel like this like beautiful connection to
everything. And, you know, it's not it is
interesting in a, in a way that we used to get this kind of
message in like more religious movies.
And this was more so like we return to the earth and are like
all a part of something larger. Yeah.
But yeah, that that kind of thing just I don't think works
for us. We're like, the world is burning
right now. And so it feels like I don't
really care about seeing Joel. But it's contending with that.
I mean, that's a big part of it. The world burning is like a
theme in the film. And like him contending with
his, I guess his, I guess his space in that part of history
and how he, I like how he feels seen in that part of history and
accepting his life as something special nonetheless of his,
like, tragedies, I guess. But I just found it, like, not
very convincing. Yeah.
So I think we, we felt very similar about it.
But I mean, I, there were moments where I was like, oh, I,
I feel very at peace. Like because of the nature, you
know, montages. Yeah, I don't know, There was
like a weird Wes Anderson kind of narration to it throughout
the. Film.
Oh yeah, it did start out very like.
And it was trying to be Terrence Malick, but it couldn't.
Yeah, I don't. Yeah.
I just felt like it was not good.
And I just don't understand. I don't understand what?
What? All the five stars.
I don't understand the Best Picture nomination and yeah, I
don't know. That's my take.
I don't like train dreams. That's I guess that's our hot
take of the year. Yeah, well, I really didn't like
it. You were just like, it's OK.
Well, I was like, it's I got up to like do things around the
house while we were watching it. Like I was still being, I was
still watching it, but I was like, because we had to watch
it. Like it's something that I was
really surprised that so many people were like, this movie is
great because I if I were watching it alone, I probably
would have turned it off. No, I yeah.
Well, which we have done with a lot of movies we started in 2025
that have been pretty disappointing where we're like,
trying to rush through our watch list to get to everything before
it's just too late in the 2026 or too far.
Predator Badlands, did you watch any of this with me or is it
just me? I did not.
I saw like one of the most action or I guess kind of like
where the movies turns not to. I guess I won't spoil anything.
It's a Predator movie, so yeah, there's a lot of action in it.
Oh. OK, so I could have come in on
the one, but it felt like I was coming in at like a huge, like,
character shift like that. Like Elle Fanning figured out
who she was and what she was like, made for.
So like, I only saw that part of it.
Yeah, that was it. How was?
It well, she's got like a twin. It's kind of confusing.
So you might have seen well. She's an Andrew or whatever.
She is a microfast vendor. She's a David, Yeah.
So it's David and Walter meeting each other.
Speaking of movies that I've been a hater on last year, the
year before or the movie I hated the most was Alien Romulus
because I really despise the Disney ification of my beloved
like Alien and Predator IP is like Predators like Alien
adjacent IP and so is Blade Runner.
I just really don't like how they've made the most
existential blockbusters that are deeply anti capitalist in
our deeply philosophical and questioning about what is human
and what is not and now they've just become like cute and silly
adventure movies where every human being is fucking annoying.
It were predator, the predator movies not really any human
beings. But then the AI are like the
sympathetic fun figures and like I just think that's insane to
me. Like I don't understand why AI
is being made to be friendly in movies like.
It's like the wild robot. The Wild Robot, The camp
companion, That horror movie from the last year with Sophie
Thatcher. I mean that one.
Happened the creator little bit more.
John David Washington But yeah, there was like a there was a
critique against misogyny and and the creation of AI, but
ultimately it was like AI forward and I was just like,
very. I don't know.
I just find it really considering the whole franchise
is built on Waylon Yutani, the Disney, Walmart, you know,
franchise or corporation taking over the universe.
Like I I find that to be really alarming that these movies are
just turning into like Waylon Yutani products.
OK, Some other things I watched or we watched together.
Twin lists Twin list was one of the big surprises.
It was I had, I wish we caught it like when it came out so we
could have done an episode on it because I think that's a movie.
We would have been like, let's go on the mikes right now.
Yeah, I think it's one of the funniest movies that came out
this year. I think right there with what's
the film that we just talked about last episode, the comedy
that we watch, the relationship comedy.
Oh, Splitsville. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think those are the two funniest movies I've seen this
year. I was hoping that that movie
Sacramento would be really funny because it stars Kristen Stewart
and Michael Cera. Michael Cera among other really
good actors, but that was not very good.
But yeah, this was great. Dylan O'Brien's wonderful.
I thought it was really cute, really dark, really weird, has
some really hilarious scenes. Interesting, like masculinity
conversation with Dylan. O'Brien's one of his twins in
that film. So yeah, definitely recommend
watching that movie. Some great Sims content for our
generation. Although I don't know is Gen.
Z and Gen. alpha Like are they playing Sims?
They're doing a lot of Roblox, which is like great value.
Sims Roblox is basically like, yeah, I don't know, it's like
generic video games, like where everybody can create their own
video games basically on their own servers.
So if you can't afford to play like a $60.00 video game, you
just make it on Roblox and you play with your friends.
Interesting. But it's an that's like an open
world to like you play with people everywhere.
Yes. OK, so it's like Xbox Live of
our generation, but in terms of the The Sims, the isolation of
playing Sims. I guess it would be Minecraft.
I'm sure now they're probably like is a Sims version where
people like play Sims live but like in a city or something.
I'm pretty sure Sims is still like one of the biggest like PC
games. Anyway, just a great, a great, I
guess, interrogation of the text of Sims in this person's life.
A great incorporation of Sims. There is one scene, and this is
not a spoiler, but maybe just a cell, where Dylan O'Brien like
speaks in The Sims language. And there's just a lot.
There's a lot of great things going on in this movie.
Yeah, it is. It is an interesting movie to
double feature with Train Dreams because they're both about
realizing that you're not the main character and that you
might just be like an MPC. Like you're just like a side
character and you're in reality and like dealing with that in
different ways. Either like having existential
breakdowns and acting like you had somebody close to you die so
you can meet people in therapy verse verse sitting in your
tragedy and wallowing potentially for your entire
existence. So like, yeah, it's an
interesting double feature about a similar idea.
The Lost Bus was a movie I watched.
You did when I was sick and you were.
Out of the house. So interesting when I so I I
left to go, I think to Galatines and I was like, what are you
going to watch? And you're yeah, you're sick.
And you were like, I'm going to throw on this Matthew
McConaughey movie. Well, I never turn on Apple TV
Plus and I was going through the apps and I was like, what am I
missing? Knows that this movie exists.
Yeah, And there was a movie called Eden on Netflix that came
out this year that I hadn't seen.
And I was like, oh, the director's interesting, Ron
Howard, so maybe I'll watch this.
And then I saw The Lost Bus and I was like, I mean, Matthew
McConaughey, America Ferrera I was like, maybe this is like a
speed situation. Keanu.
Sandra Bullock It was not that. In fact, there was a lot of
missing chemistry between these two actors.
Matthew McConaughey is driving a bus for two hours, basically.
And I didn't hate it, which was weird.
It was actually kind of surprising because I think we
just have a lack of good disaster thrillers.
It was sort of our relationship to Greenland when we watched
that from a few years ago where I was like, oh, this is pretty
good because we just don't have this, you know, sub genre of
movies anymore. We.
Don't have any day after tomorrow's.
Right. Which I love.
Yeah. Which I think honestly is a
classic in the disaster genre. But this was like a really bad
screenplay. They try to create some drama
where the sun's like, Dad, I hate you.
And Matthew McConaughey is like, why these this generation?
They just like hate adults for no reason.
And he goes off on his bus for two hours to help people.
And it's really strange because it's about a very like real life
heroic story of somebody who does drive a bus for a living
going to save a bunch of people. But it's so dramatically inert,
like it's feels hollow. Is it partially because you
can't Unsee Matthew McConaughey in this role?
Yeah, you definitely don't believe he would be in this
position. You're like.
Seeing him making a casting decision for himself to play a
savior. Yeah, and it just has like that
Apple TV Plus gloss where every time I go on Apple TV Plus and I
do try to turn on something, I'm like, oh, I realize why they
don't, you know, I know that their whole models, I'm not
going to license any of our properties to anybody else.
They all come to us. But every time I turn on one of
their, you know, projects, I'm like it all looks the same.
It's sort of what's happening to Netflix, like the RIP, which I'm
not going to get into that because I think we already did
that in a recent episode. I think we did, yeah.
You know what I was thinking about just mentioning the day
after tomorrow and then thinking about Apple TV plus the the
project that I did like, Although again, like I had my
surgery, so I was like needed a show.
But I loved presumed innocence. Loved is a strong word.
I loved it for that moment in time.
Is this? A tooth come out soon.
Oh yeah, they're making a second season.
That's so weird. Who knows what they could?
This summer, I think it's Game of Thrones and it's House of
Dragon and Presumed. Innocence.
That's wild but I both of those shows literally got me through
my surgery. I was like, I wonder if I'll
actually like them going back to them without.
And The Great British Bake Off. And well, The Great British Bake
Off I, I literally said to myself because I was going to
watch it to go to bed the other night and I was like, I got to
save it in case I have another spine surgery one day.
That's dark. I'll save these seven other
seasons. I don't think that's actually in
the future for me, but I was like just just in case That was
the only thing that I could like I loved.
I literally, you know, for listeners who are the real ones
out there when you listen to the the episode that I came back
after recovering from my surgery for like 3 months.
Sure, it's the first episode on our feed.
Right Now quite literally cried at the end of every British Bake
Off. I was so, so happy for the
person who won the real season in.
Particular we should have took some notes while watching it.
Oh, there was one season that my parents came and we made them
watch it and my dad was like. He was locked in.
This is gross. Yeah.
That was that was a great season.
There was like an unexpected younger guy who who kind of like
really rose rose through the the ranks of the British bake
offers. OK, so back to anyway, my point
is I was thinking of Jake Gyllenhaal.
I was thinking of presumed innocent.
And I was just thinking about like, why don't people talk
about Jake Gyllenhaal in Okja? It just like that's it.
Oh, his performance. Yeah, that's that's what you're
thinking of. I do like when Jake Gyllenhaal
accepts himself as like a silly man who looks like he should be
like a model and he's just has like this, like crazy absurd
chaos. He's like, really?
Pretty, but he's just like, yeah.
Something off wild yeah. And I find it weird that when he
puts that into like I'm going to do he.
Plays into his like massive eyes.
Yeah, but I just don't like when he does.
Like I'm going to do like right wing American Movies Now.
I think that's why I was thinking about it in terms of
Matthew McConaughey. It was like it came to mind
because because it feels like he started picking roles in that
lane. What do you think about the
Matthew McConaughey, Timothy Shalamet interview?
I really was like, I the only thing I really saw was when
Matthew McConaughey basically like dropped, but I was like,
this is going to become a, a news piece of of Kylie Jenner
taking to me. But she called like his
girlfriend taking to me to an interstellar iMac surprise
screening for his birthday. And to me was like, I can't
believe you just fucking did that because like, do you know
who my girlfriend is? Like which it seems like Matthew
McConaughey is probably not online so.
Yeah, I guess Shalom. In his head, he was like, you
just created so much content for people.
Yeah, it's a cute birthday present though.
It is cute because it is the movie that he talks about the
most of being like fuck this has inspired me to be like kind of
an asshole in the press because I want to be the best.
Because I got cut out of Interstellar except for like 2
scenes. I also did see a clip where he
like, wouldn't let it go that Matthew McConaughey had said
he'd only seen Interstellar once, and I wonder if that came
after dropping the Kylie Jenner thing because he just like,
wouldn't let Matthew McConaughey move on.
McConaughey and Shalomme beefing on CNNN Yeah, ballerina on a de
armas you. Only watch this.
Taking over the John Wick franchise.
Good cool. I thought it was.
Good. Was it set mostly in the that
kind of like place that we see John Wick go back to where he
grew up? They go to it a continental
adjacent location in the city, OK, at the beginning of the
movie, they then they do some like crazy set pieces where it
feels like they're in this like the middle of a snow globe.
There's like a bar that looks like a snow globe and that
they're in for a bit and some cool Ana de Armis like action
performance moments and then they go to another place where
it's snowing a lot. It feels like a James Bond map.
Then she's doing something else and like a layer, like, I don't
know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of strange set pieces.
I don't know if it's really well directed, but a lot of the
action set pieces are really fun.
And Ana de Armas is really convincing as somebody who can
beat the fuck out of like 20 people in A room.
I mean, she was so fun in James Bond.
Like when she showed up I was like, wow, she's so convincing
that she could just like, agreed, kill everyone here.
Yeah. And also, like, she's always
been like a very underrated dramatic actress since Knives
Out. And it's sad that she hasn't
gotten a lot of roles. And I think it's a lot of the
reason mostly being because Hollywood won't cast somebody as
English being their second language.
But in her case, like I think in this franchise, it allows her to
be able to have those dramatic moments, but also do some like
non dialogue stuff, which is just like be Keanu Reeves and
slow beat people up in a very specific way.
Like her way is like more UFC. Keanu Reeves is more like my
knee is falling off my legs. So I guess I'll just like as I'm
falling on the ground, I'll shoot you three times in your
kneecap. But so it's a little bit
different. But yeah, I really recommend
this movie. I think it was under scene
within the. I can't say.
OK, yeah, I won't say. Oh, wow.
OK, well, I'm excited to watch it.
I thought she was great. I always think she's like a a
really great. We talked about this on Knives
app. But she like is the reason I
think that movie was so successful and is it's not
talked about that way, you know, like the ensemble cast is so
good. But yeah, her dramatic acting is
so good. She's a great crier.
Yeah, and even when, you know, she's like in Blade Runner or
something, right? Like, she adds so much to the
movie, even in a role where she's like an AI character where
that, like, doesn't have a character.
So cool. OK, I'm glad it was good.
Underrated, underrated aspect of the beginning of her career
where she's like literally learning English on set as she's
doing Blade Runner 2049 and Knives Out which is just insane
to me. OK, Kyoshi Kurosawa's Cloud.
So this is a director that we talked about last year for
Chime, which is one of the best films of last year, even though
it was only like 50 minutes long, a little longer than
what's supposed to be a short film.
I still haven't seen that, but you and Adam Naman talked about
that when he came on, right? And that was one of his favorite
movies of the year. Too, Last year we tried our best
to, I guess, over intellectualize it and theorize
what it was about or what the ideas were about.
I mean, Kyoshi Kurosawa seems to be like modernity sucks and
that's like kind of a three line of his career from Cure and on.
And Cloud was a lot of fun. Very strange experience.
This will be, I think, on our list, I assume.
So I think we'll talk more about that then.
I agree, I think it will show up on our list, or at least very
least honourable mentions. Relay was a Riz Ahmed Lily James
crime thriller, a very tight like light, dramatic, very
expensive looking streaming adjacent movie where Riz Ahmed
is doing his best Al Pacino and Lily James is like just jumping
out of the screen. Like I love her.
I kind of have a little bit of a cinematic crush on her.
She's a really good actor and has really good taste because I
like a lot of the movies she does.
But every time she is acting the movie, I'm like, I'm having
that. I like having a nostalgic.
I think it's like I think I attach a lot of I project a lot
of Rachel Vice on her. She reminds me of Rachel Vice.
I don't know what exactly that is, but as a kid I had a huge
crush on Rachel, Vice and the and The Mummy, and I'm getting a
lot of that from Lily James. That makes sense.
That's interesting. She's great.
I was thinking, because I didn't totally watch this movie, I was
doing work on the couch next to you while you were watching it,
and I felt like it was a role that, like, Angelina Jolie would
have been casting in the 2000s, right?
That is something like she like she was in a James McAvoy movie.
What was that film Angelina Jolie and James Mack wanted?
Yeah. I was also thinking, like salt,
yes, like movies like that, right?
Is like basically what this movie Tourist was that would,
yeah, that would show up in theaters.
Yeah, wow, good call. I thought it was a pretty
interesting movie. Hated the ending.
Called it at the very beginning. Yeah, how it was going to.
End. And I was like, I don't think
so. Yeah, I was going to be.
So it was like, I'm going to be so disappointed if this is how
it ends because it's such a bad idea and they did it.
But I like the first hour and 15 all right Next, a really
exciting, happy movie. If I had legs, I'd kick you.
Yeah. An extremely upsetting movie.
All time bad hang child performance in this film from an
unseen child as a teacher or like as teachers.
I gotta say like one of the reasons I do this job is because
I like want to invest in the youth as much as possible and
future generations. But this kid performance
definitely made me question my career when I was like, oh fuck,
this is like, yeah, this is like my worst day I've ever had in
teaching. I'm like.
Projecting on the screen, I think, you know, I would say
that it's a movie. We don't have kids.
It's a movie that would make you question parenting 100%.
But it is certainly for people who don't really understand like
what education really entails and what like teachers jobs
consist of in public schools is a really good representation of
what teachers are like feeling like every day.
It's not obviously like taking care of like a soul child or
being a caregiver, which I know is like a separate thing that
the movie is exploring. But I would say like the the off
screen like voice that is looming and it's like consistent
like shit happening. And that's just at work.
Like you also have to like deal with things outside of work,
like you're ceiling caving in. I would say that it was a pretty
good representation of like what teaching can feel like in where
you're really doing like 20 jobs at once.
Yeah, Rose Byrne. Great.
Yeah. Do what I say.
Like, you know, that I enjoyed my experience.
No, you know, we'll talk about this movie.
It'll probably be in the top 20. Well, I.
Don't know if we're going to do a top 20, but it would
definitely be an honorable mention.
So we'll talk a little bit more about it then and like
specifically. Love category this year.
It's exactly how I. Felt when I left I my love, I
was like, I almost like wish I didn't spend my night doing
that. Yeah, we kind of put the movie
off for a while because we were like to downer.
Yeah. Do we want to engage in a feel
bad product? And like it's it does feel like
a wasted night. It is funny though.
It has moments. Like, I don't want to spoil
who's in the film. There's two supporting actors in
it who are playing off of Roseburn who are really funny
with her, even if sad sometimes that's true, so.
There and Roseburn. Is like a comedically really
gifted actress and so she's able to do something dramatically
powerful here that not a lot of people expect from her.
And I think they actually think of her more as a comedy actress
and she's able to do both. This is like a dark, tragic,
tragic comedy in some ways. Yeah.
I mean, I think she's great. Like it's a special performance,
yes. And and that was like.
Me talking about my personal relationship to watching movies,
like I don't love, you know, experiencing like a feel bad
movie all the time, like a dime I love but and like if I had
legs, I kick you, but obviously like a super well made movie.
And also I I think like was doing something similar to dime
my love, which was interesting. But if I had legs, I kick you
worked a little bit more. And I think that also had to do
with Rose Byrne. Yeah, loved J Law, you know, and
die my love. She might have given the best
performance of the. Year J Law wasn't even
nominated. They're also like.
Doing different things. Yeah.
Exploring like parent
parenthood? Sort of.
Yeah. Exploring parts of motherhood.
But I'll also say, just like exploring a loss of agency and
being kind of drowned out by the expectations of motherhood and
like, yeah, expectations. And then like lack of support,
Yeah. And then like the normalizing a
really sad double feature, yes. Yeah, there's a movie called
Bring Her Back, which was the most upsetting movie I saw this
year, was a horror film. I remember after that you.
Finished that, you were like that.
It was a horrible experience in terms of just like the feeling
of the movie. Really well made movie, great
performance. From Sally Hawkins as the lead,
but it's one of the most like feel bad movies of I think I've
ever seen. And I definitely think if I had
legs. I kick you is in competition for
that last one to talk about before we get into our our three
films and maybe some TV. The mastermind.
I also was doing work on the couch.
While you watch this, Yeah, you've been very busy lately.
Josh O'Connor love him. Kelly Reichard, love her.
Kelly Reichardt in particular is just so fucking cool.
I like everything that her movies are interested in.
I just don't always like her stories or the pace and that she
chooses. And I would say that you like
her more. Than me.
I do. I do.
I do enjoy her films, but I think the pace ultimately gets
me. Yeah, but if I have.
To watch a movie that feels like a slow burn and it's only like
100 minute film. I'd like to watch Josh O'Connor
because what he's up to in this film and what he's been up to
with La Camara and a few other Movies Now of just being like a
tragically silly Harrison Ford, I love that for him.
It's so much fun. It a lot of actors of his
generation, one that we're going to talk about today with Glenn
Powell, are trying so hard to be like Brad Pitt, are trying so
hard to be Matt Damon or George Clooney or DiCaprio, right?
Even Chalamet falls in that category.
Josh O'Connor just does not care about those expectations and
shout out him for taking his capital and just doing the most
bizarre shit in his movies. So I definitely recommend people
watch this one. I thought it was a little bit
underwhelming as a character study and a little bit out of my
reach thematically, which is not something I usually say in our
podcast because we like over analyze so many movies and talk
about their themes so often. That's kind of why people listen
I think too. But this is a movie I couldn't
get my hands around thematically, so I'm not really
sure outside of the text because I'm not really sure what the
subtext is about in this film. So I'd have to watch it again.
So I don't think this is going to make our our top 20, but it
looks really good and I like O'Connor and I love Reichardt,
so check it out. TV Quick check in.
Yeah, we've been watching The Pit.
We have been season. Two, I think we're.
Updated like we're. Yeah, we're up to the last
episode up to date. We just finished episode. 7
episode 8 is out next week. We're halfway through the
season. OK, I was going to ask, are
there? I think this is about halfway.
And with season 1 we watched it all at once.
We binge the whole season 1 because we waited till it was
done showing. We then got all the Tiktoks or
whatever the videos and podcasts that were like watch the pit and
we did and it was one of the best TV experiences of our
lives. Love the pit season 1.
I feel like these characters are not just characters they're like
a part of my like post work work family.
They're like my second work family, if that makes sense.
I really care about the characters in the pit.
I love the performances. Mostly all around like 90% of
the performances I really love and I think the drama really
works across season 1 and then season 2 I feel a little bit let
down. I feel lucky that it came so
quickly because it's only like 8 months, you know, that Season 1
just came out, but I feel a little bit let down.
How do you feel? I feel so far fine about.
It like the first it's yes. Like it's definitely not as good
as season 1 and it's hard not to binge the show because I I feel
like the episodes, even though they're an hour long, they're
not really like developing the characters in the same way as
season 1. But also just in general, like
the show, it works its way up to things.
And so that doesn't really work with like watching one a week
for me. I do think though, like in, in
terms of season 2, there they did a couple different things
that I was really surprised to see.
Like maybe we should do an episode on Season 2 after it's
done. I think it'd be fun.
It's over in April. Because maybe we'll have
thoughts. You know when, when it ends.
But right now I feel like they're not going into some of
the things that were interesting about the characters in Season
1. It felt like there was like a
disconnect or like a writer change or something.
Or they just like weren't picking up what we what the
audience has liked about season 1 and then pursuing it into the
season. Instead.
It's like new characters, more emphasis on the actual cases
themselves, but in more of like a medical and like let's look at
the prosthetics like angle and less of and the the politics of
how we. Like input medical cases with
the AI commentary and like, I just find a lot.
Yeah, that's interesting. It just feels.
Like overwrought. With new things and they could
have just continued the old things.
But it's also strange they picked the 4th of July and the
atmosphere feels so thin because yeah, it doesn't feel like 4th
of July we're. Like holiday settling or
anything like that. Maybe we'll get a big.
Firework issue. I feel like it's coming, I mean.
They're trying to do this whole hospital thing where other
hospitals, like, technology was shut down.
I'm sure that's AI related somehow.
And the new doctor's going to get in trouble.
She's never had a court case. She's about to get one.
Probably. Like, I don't know.
I'm sure there's something. Yeah.
Mel. Sorry, Mel.
Mel is my favorite character. And then probably Langdon, which
is a complicated conversation, but yeah, those are probably my
top 2. Is Mel your favorite?
I love Mel. Yeah, I have to think about
who's my favorite. We'll talk about it on the
episode. Avatar we just started watching
avatar last airbender again yeah we're re watching it because
well Avatar the last airbender as people know oppa and momo are
dogs names We love this show it's one of the first things
that united us when we met each other we grew up also when it
was. Airing like I watched the finale
live with my brother like us sitting literally like a foot
away from the TV screen. Same.
Yeah, I think with my. Sister as well.
It might be one of the most important pieces of art for our
generation. Like I think it literally is in
conversation with Harry Potter and Hunger Games as one of the
most influential pieces of art that shaped like young
millennials or Gen. ZS like politics, morals,
storytelling or like idea of good storytelling or long
running storytelling. Cora as well.
Let Decora love that. The reason why we're rewatching
all of this over the next few months is because there's a new
Avatar movie coming out that's supposed to be going to
theaters, but now it looks like it's being pulled going to
Paramount. Animators are pissed.
More pissed for them because hopefully Paramount will put
that back in theaters. I think we'd all go see it.
It would probably be sold out for a few weekends in a row.
Yeah, I feel like it would be an Incredibles 2 moment.
Do they like not know the? The people who would come out
for this, I think it's just a streamer thing of being like.
We'll take our losses, let's force people to watch it at home
so we can tell our shareholders that people are signing up for
Paramount per usual. That's just the streaming model.
It's a horrible economy for movies that we live in, but this
is what it is. But that's been an incredible
rewatch. Every episode is special, and
they're only like 20 minutes long.
So check out Avatar with us over the next few months.
All right, so I wish we could log it on Letterbox.
Like there is ATV letterbox. I tried it out, but I don't like
the platform, I don't like the way it looks on my phone, so I'm
like, just stop doing it. But Letterbox has been saying
for years that they're going to add TVI don't think they should
though. I think they should just keep up
the movie model because I just think it's funny that they're
being elitist about it. They're like, we don't do that
shit. Just cinema here.
Well it would be cool if they added like.
Succession or like yeah it would be cool, but I think it's just
a. Funny way to be like, now we're
bigger than that. But yeah, it would be sick,
obviously, if we can log like Breaking Bad and like, whatever,
Walking Dead. OK, so for the trio of our new
releases, I've seen all three films.
You've only seen two, Yes? So I saw crime one O 1.
You did not. I think that's the best movie of
these three. Interesting.
OK. So we'll talk about that.
Last, so you can sell us all. On it at the.
End I will sell everybody to go see.
Crime One O 1 in theaters immediately.
I think it's even playing an IMAX and I do recommend seeing
it there. Do you want to start with
Wuthering Heights or How to Make a Killing?
Probably Wuthering Heights I feel like.
It's the most relevant Valentine's Day, you know, movie
that everyone's talking about. Yeah.
Before we get into the movie itself, if we're going to start
with Wuthering Heights, we have to address the Emerald Fennell
conversation happening around it for people who are not plugged
in. A lot of discourse has been
focused on whether Emerald Fennell has the juice as a
director now being overly or like I'd say hyper criticized
from Saltburn, but really promising young woman and on to
now Wuthering Heights. But also some more, I think
valid criticism of her and Margot Robbie and just the
studio of financing Wuthering Heights.
And with this adaptation of this Bronte novel of their casting of
Heathcliff as just a this kind of white man and his tragic
story in the novels a lot more complicated and complex in the
way it portrays that character. And I think those are like very
fair conversations to be had about the racial coding of that
character adaptation choices, the way that Hollywood still
whitewashes very complex, diverse stories.
All that is reasonable to critique, you know, powerful
figures or money, including Fenella or Margot Robbie as
producers on the project. But in saying all that,
everything I say does not, you know, forgive any of that.
But what I found really interesting, what I've made some
videos on on Tiktok is how quickly that discussion has
shifted into questioning Emerald Fennell's legacy as this, like,
legitimate filmmaker and more of her as a music video director as
some sort of like indictment of her work in her vision as a
filmmaker or artist. I've seen a lot of critics and
content creators in this space, which is sort of both what we do
here on the podcast. So I'm not really criticizing
those people, but I am saying that I'm observing those people
calling Emerald Fennell a like pseudo intellectual like fake
provocateur. And I have found all of that
discourse very weird because she is 3 films into her career and
it's just an insane amount of I've read 3000 to 5000 word
essays on why she is like a hack for like legitimate outlets.
And like I do not understand how this is just been generally
accepted. Like I do know why it's been
generally accepted looking at the state of our country right
now. But I'm saying that this is
coming from like seemingly like progressive bodies in media.
And I find it to just be very strange.
Not the Emerald Fennell's gender like Shields her from criticism.
I'm not saying anything like that.
But the loaded language that's being used around talking about
her, the double standard that's being that's happening as a
result of like over criticizing her verse other film makers that
her are her peers or film makers that are more legacy auteurs
that do not get the same level of criticism.
I just have found it all to be like really bizarre.
Yeah. And like to your first.
Point, of course, we should be having conversations about like
whitewashing stories and casting in Hollywood.
Like those are all valid criticisms to have towards the
industry in general, but also to have in terms of like production
or towards a particular filmmaker like Emerald Fennell.
Like that is a conversation we should be having.
But to your like other point on Emerald Fennell, this is
something that we talked about when people were responding to
promising young woman and to salt burn.
Like this is not it. It literally is like a recycled
situation happening where it's her movie.
It's so weird to people are making money.
Yeah. And it feels like.
At least from, you know, maybe it's interesting from our point
of view as we're like kind of in this space, not as like formal
critics, but we are keeping up to date with like a lot of the
conversations around movies. And what it feels like to me at
least, is like there are people with like major audiences,
right? Critics and, and people who are
like talking about movies who will like say things about
Emerald Fennell that are very strange because like they, you
know, first of all, they're like very codedly sexist, but also
like, if you're just listening are clearly sexist towards her
movies. And then also, it's strange
because a lot of the the critics that we listen to and like will
have like, takes about directors who are men, like Fincher, for
example, who does like, you know, similar things to Fennell.
I really like your Ghost. Yeah, that's a great one.
And like there's. Such high praise just for
seeing, like, a film maker. Go for it.
Darren Aronofsky. Yeah.
And and and. Like when Emerald Fennell does
it, it's like this is terrible. This is like she's a try hard.
Yeah, she's a pseudo. Intellectual strange thing to.
To see happen, I guess, like it's not that you have to like
all of her movies, but the the fact that it's just like so
blatantly clear when you hear like a bunch of these critics
like talking about directors who are men and respecting a swing,
even if they don't like the movie, but not like having that
same conversation with Fennell. But regardless, it's interesting
because I think what's happening with her movies like that we
noticed in her her other films, is that like that conversations
happening with people who have large audiences.
And then people who are kind of like us, like in a critic
adjacent space. But like, maybe just have like
conversations or like a TikTok platform or like whatever are
then recycling because they're like, oh, this is like what the
headline is. And then it feels like that's
trickling down to also how people are reading the movie and
it feels like a hate cycle or something.
It is, yeah. And it's not that I liked
everything about weather heights.
I think you like the movie a little bit more than me.
I also am like, I don't think it's very good.
I'm a Jacob Allordy hater and like, I can't do anything about
it. But well, this movie certainly
did not help. His case because I think this is
a bad performance and it's not that I mean when I.
See Jacob Allordy giving like a Hollywood Reporter round table
conversation. I'd want to get a beer
performance or I'm seeing him. You know, it really sold me that
like Zendaya and him dated. I think question mark.
I think it's a huge rumor. I don't.
Know if it was I thought they were like.
Photos of them, I don't know. We don't keep up to date.
I think they were just like walking around.
Once, and we're like reading reading a book during the set of
Euphoria. Tell us I actually am
interested. And it was like but I don't.
Know OK regardless. You know, he is a, a beautiful
looking human. He's very tall and he he seems
nice enough, but I, I just don't care.
But I, I just don't think he's a good actor and like when he's on
screen, it just annoys me. It feels like similar to how I
started feeling towards like Chad and Michael Murray when he
was like on the outs. John Michael.
I'm serious. Like.
They both they both came from like.
Basically TV, Yeah. Interesting.
Which there's nothing wrong with that.
But do you find it weird that Jacob Lordy hasn't?
Received any backlash for taking the role that many people think
is supposed to be a non white person?
That is fascinating. Right, because I forgot to bring
that up in my video. Yeah.
Actually, that's so. Interesting because you would
normally see that in other movies, but I think he is almost
like too tall to to have the public, you know?
You're telling me if he was 510? Maybe like this fucking guy.
Guy taking jobs, Bronte. Novel.
Yeah, turn. It on because they're like Jacob
lordy they're. Like Oh my God, like he just put
like, you know, he just put his tongue inside Margot Robbie eye.
You know what I mean? I hated all.
Of that I found it to be really upsetting like obviously they've
chemistry sometimes but I. Was like and I.
Do think Margot Robbie is like a goddess but God damn I almost
found it too much. It was too much.
It was too the. Licking of the tears in
particular. Could that have been improv?
I think maybe, maybe not. There were some good central
moments, but as soon. As they start getting physical I
just felt so boring and repetitious.
If I have to see. Someone's like, like the valleys
in someone's tongue. I'm too close, you know, like at
that point it become, and I know she was kind of like playing
with like abject, you know, she got Saltburn with Barry Kogan.
'S character, yeah, like. I know she's playing with that
like the eggs, like I think we'll get into it in a second,
but but it it was just almost like repulsive.
No, that's the word I thought about too.
When I walked out of theater, I felt was repulsed by that
character. And I think you're supposed to
feel repulsed by his revenge arc.
But also be sympathetic to a considering how much Margot
Robbie's character fetishizes class differences so that there
are interesting things going on. We're going to get into them
into the movie, but the last thing we also talked about this
with Saltburn when it came to Olivia Wilde with Don't Worry
Darling and how people talked about Olivia Wilde or Genie
Prince, by the way, with. The woman king.
People acted like that movie was the fucking 10 Commandments, the
way that they broke down what was wrong historically with that
film. And yeah, so to your point, I
just think the psychoanalysis of Emerald Fennell is the double
standard is like we just do not do that with film makers that
she's peers with of the opposite gender and the delegitimizing
her as an artist. It's just incredibly strange.
It's just, and I'm not saying all of her movies are perfect.
I don't think she's like promising young woman has like
obviously it's ups and downs. Saltburn is, I think, her best
movie and her most interesting film.
And this movie is her her messiest, maybe her most
ambitious in some ways, because it is trying to take this
classic novel and twist it and put the movie in quotes and do
something a little bit different with it, provoke all audiences
and maybe distance everybody a little bit too much.
But I've thought a lot about Christopher Nolan and how he
was, like, a private boarding school kid and, like, his dad
was an ad executive. And nobody talks about, like,
family wealth. And they talk about Christopher
Nolan. Nobody talks about him with
suits on, you know, all the time and being pretentious.
Or they'll make it as a joke of like, yeah.
He's a serious guy and I like it when he's still and he's.
Running around on SNL and like, and nobody talks about how he
cast maybe the whitest white man in Hollywood and Tom Holland as
a Greek hero from the Odyssey. Like no one's like that is
wrong. No one like, does that make
sense? Like, I mean, certainly Tom
Holland does not match the skin tone of the characters in the
Odyssey. I feel like that is I can say
that as a fact. And so I don't know, I feel like
people not keeping the same critical energy of, you know,
movies like that instead being like, no, we're criticizing the
Odyssey or the Gladiator because we're saying that the, you know,
the outfits that inaccurate, historically inaccurate
costumes, you know, those are bad and we should have
historically accurate costumes. And it's like, that's not the
same as telling a director of three movies that she's a hack
or that she's stupid. Like those are that's those are
different criticisms with different energies and stakes.
So anyways, I just found it. I want to talk about that at the
top because of the the different energies in the takedown.
So just it's just again, bizarre.
Yeah. And also I've heard a lot of.
Really strange comments about her villainizing or vilifying
the underclass and it's like, I don't think that's what her,
especially in Saltburn that's actually like not what her.
It's not about Barry Kyogan being a villain.
It's very much a talented Mr. Ripley adjacent movie that's
like interested in a Jude Law character and interested in
wealth in general. And it maybe it's not as direct
about that 'cause it's a little it's having a little bit more
like fun, but it's just weird to see.
Also like not an intentional misreading, but it's like a very
disappointing thing when I'm when her any of her movies come
out for people not to actually like engage with them in a way
that feels like what the movies actually doing.
And it also feels disappointing to to have people feel like
they're talking about her movies and very similar.
I think the, the Don't Worry Darling comp was like probably
the best one. And people felt like, oh, I'm
not even going to touch this. I'm not even like going to go
into a conversation about how like the discourse around this
could be sexist. They're just like, well, you
know what people are saying about it, you know, like that
feels disappointing. I think just especially like
there's a bunch of like critics who are men in the space and
it's like it's just so weird that they can't just like see
that or, or talk about the movie.
It's often the conversation around the movie and the the
director. Yeah, getting into the.
Film itself, I'll stay at the top again.
I think I might already said this, but I don't think this
movie is very good. I think it has its moments and I
did have a fine time in the theater watching it.
I think the second-half is like a big mess.
The first half I think is fine. So that's kind of where I'm at
with it right now. I still think obviously she has
like a really distinct voice that I love seeing on a big
screen, like hyper stylized, sensual, quote UN quote music
video charged sequences that I find to be a compliment.
I'm going to die in this house. And I've been.
Yeah, I have been. Singing that around the house
for the past few weeks that I've seen this movie.
It's very catchy. And Charli XCX has a song or two
in this movie that I thought she was going to like, do the whole
soundtrack. Yeah.
Of the film. I guess she is the soundtrack.
Well, yeah, she did a lot of it. It's.
Just like, interesting, like Cynthy playing things in the I
guess I thought I was going to hear her voice a lot.
More and it was going to have this kind of surreal feeling,
but so should we ever. Someone please.
Tell me, did we ever hear the, like, fall in love again and
again that we got in the trailer that was like such a hit.
I don't know, maybe that moment where he's like in that like.
Where he's like going over the hill and he's got his beard
still a lordy, and there's like that big red background to the
backdrop of the sun going down. Maybe in that moment.
But no, I don't really remember. OK, so to start off the
screenplay, I think the screenplay, I think nobody's, I
don't think anybody in their right mind should be questioning
Emerald Fennell as a director. I think questioning her as a
writer is totally valid. And I think that is where, you
know, going back to your class commentary conversation, I
understand why people get mixed up with her because the whole
her whole through line is sort of being like, here's the ways
in which middle class people fetishize upper class and lower
class people in different ways. And I find that to be a
fascinating idea. I think that is relatable
probably to mainstream audiences who have seen that or have
experienced that themselves. And I think Talented Mr. Ripley
is an interesting kind of like Rosetta Stone for at least like
the Matt Damon version for like American audiences who are like
obsessed with that movie, like as a cult, you know, classic in
some ways. Even if she said that wasn't a
major inspiration for Saltburn. But she does do this thing where
she is indicting rich people and promising young woman in
Saltburn in Wuthering Heights. Like in Wuthering Heights,
Margot Robbie's character is the character being criticized the
most, I think. And Jacob Allordy's character
supposed to be dense distancing because a lot of what his
revenge arc is in this movie is a product of her classism.
And so that's like an interesting, like, I mean,
obviously her father is like the direct kind of like
manifestation of the classism and like patriarchy.
And so you do feel sympathetic toward Margot Robbie's
character. But by the end of the film,
she's become sort of a monster in her own right.
And what she's done to create a monster sort of feels like a
Frankenstein. You know, I know he was the
monster in Frankenstein the creature, which we've only seen
a part of. We haven't finished that movie
yet, but apparently he's pretty good in it.
But yeah, I would say that she sort of does a good job with the
Beer Kiogan character in Saltburn as well, with an
indictment on a wealthy family sneaking in this pretty
distancing, sympathetic middle class guy who has like some
problems into that family. And not realize for audiences
not to realize that it's still a criticism of class inequality
And what that does to people's psychologies, I think is just
maybe speaking to like how she just has her finger on the
pulse. If people are misreading it now,
I think that's OK. She does feel like she's going
to have a career in like 30 years.
Or people rewatch Saltburn and they're like fuck, this is
really good. So I think she's going to be
just fine. I'm not sure this movie is
because it does feel like this movie feels way.
Messier in terms of the commentary in class than the
Saltburn. Yeah, it's harder to discuss.
Because it does feel messier and I think in a lot of ways it's
because it feels like 2 movies. It feels like 2 films in this
story where the first section is this like dreamy gothic
storybook vibe. It's like my girl.
I guess so. I don't think you've seen my
girl. I have seen.
My girl, but I. Can't really piece, I guess,
'cause the kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, OK, I get it
where it's sort of, it's the beginning of a tragic narrative.
You're watching a tragedy and you're getting a lot of romantic
scenery in contrast with what you know to be a tragedy in
this, like, sad story of Heathcliff.
And it is, I think, a solid introduction to a successful
yearning between Katherine and Heathcliff as characters because
the kids are very convincing. Yeah, they I was so.
Surprised by the the acting or the performances of the kids.
Like you can go really wrong with having kids be in the movie
for that long. It was a good actors but whoever
played Margot's younger self was amazing.
She was so good. And.
And then also there was the kid from adolescence who I we
haven't seen that show yet, but I know Owen Cooper.
Yeah. People obviously like think.
He's great. So yeah, I thought they did a
really good job. So in the 1st 30.
Minutes. I was on board, especially
because of that younger cast and they carry a lot of the
emotional connection to the film because when we jump in time,
you're just like kind of mapping a little bit on subconsciously
maybe for some people, but like, consciously for me, those little
kids. On to Margot Robbie and yeah,
the Lordy. So I enjoyed that.
I also like how Margot Robbie was doing like a Cher from
Clueless, Emma Stone from the Favorite.
Yeah. She was doing something that was
not original, but it was familiar in fun ways where she
was pulling from like Anna Taylor Joy from, like Emma.
Like there was multiple subversive period piece
adaptations that she was doing at once that I thought was
actually really good. And that people have not been
giving her credit for her because they don't like the
movie so much or her as a producer with her casting
choices with Fenel. But yeah, so I think she keeps
the movie from feeling too stiff because Jacob Allordy is
incredibly stiff throughout the entire runtime, but especially
in the beginning of the movie. I like his character most when
he has the beard and he's sad. I think he's the most
compelling. Sadly because I only liked him
when he was sad and as soon as he becomes a rich asshole, which
I know is a part of the point, I think of the class critique
here. He's just incredibly distancing.
But Jacob Allordi is good or better at playing an asshole
than he is a sympathetic figure, so I do think, oddly his
performance he's better playing hot.
I was like evil hot though. He's better at that, which is
very euphoria. Coded from.
His performances, yeah, I'm, I mean we also.
Haven't seen Euphoria, but we know, I guess.
Like I've seen enough scenes from him to know yeah, yeah,
like the type of character that he plays.
I I feel like, yeah, when it gets to the second-half of the
movie, though, the they're both the writing for him and the
acting really falls off and you're like, I don't even know
this character, you know, so I can't believe in the conflict.
And then I also don't care about how much they're having sex
then, you know, like. So I do agree, I think the first
half of the movie was like way stronger.
I was emotionally attached to the characters.
I thought it was interesting in terms of the, the way that
Margot Robbie's character, you know, like in, in terms of a
period piece being like, I need to go get married to someone
who's rich, right? And like, I can't marry
Heathcliff. I I, but it just felt like from
that moment on, like when Heathcliff leaves, it just feels
like really, I mean, I love the set and set design and like
meeting her husband and the sister, like we Allison have to
talk. About Alison Oliver's characters
the sister the wealthy sister's excellent and and just like.
So meeting Isabella and Edgar like an all time great scene of
seeing Isabella describe Romeo and Juliet into Edgar in their
garden that feels a little like Alice in Wonderland like a your
go set kind of like vibe. But I love Did you like that
that it was heightened in? That way I thought it was fun
like I didn't. Mind this weird story book.
Like I love the the montage we get of her going through the
home that feels really dreamy and surreal and you know, her
her skin is like her bedroom. It it just all felt really like
trippy from like a cartoon that we watched growing up.
But like you can reach out and touch it.
Like so it I thought it was cool.
I don't know that it thematically worked.
I just really like seeing Margot Robbie, like cheers in a tea
glass, wearing red sunglasses that felt out like, out of that
time. Yeah.
So. Yeah.
So I like that, but I don't know if I liked it, like,
thematically or anything. I think totally it didn't work
for me. I.
Think the first half being like a gothic despair and then the
second-half being like fairy tale satire was just very
strange. But like, I like that on paper,
I can see why that was given $100 million to go and, like,
make a movie for blockbuster. Yeah, film making.
And as far as like, getting butts in seats, I think it's
like a really bold way to to direct this story that has been
adapted, you know, dozens of times.
But when the satire gets bigger and we start seeing exaggerated
images of like, the decadent lifestyle, we're seeing these
big strawberries. We're like, I like the big
strawberry. Yeah, I, I it's an interesting.
Choice, but then when we're cutting to like the dad and
others other home and he's got all the wine bottles and he
dies. It is funny, but it kept taking
me out like even Allison Oliver's comedy kept taking me
out because the first half is so serious to me.
I found the first half very serious Yes, that makes sense.
It was a weird. Switch up.
Yeah, it's a weird shift. And so then.
When it tries to get serious again at the end, I was annoyed
at the movie like when I don't want to get into spoilers
actually, because I think there's there's a big spoiler at
the end of this film that turns into a full on like tragic tale.
I thought visually though that like.
Looked incredible. Looked incredible.
But I just didn't think the movie deserved it.
I was like, I, I was emotional because I wasn't.
I'm just an easy cry, right? But I didn't think the film
deserved that. You know, the the so-called This
is a Romantic tragedy when really I think it was trying to
be a little meta. I think it was trying to comment
on the genre itself. I think it was trying to do a a
satire on its own on period pieces, a satire on like book
talk release. Like I think it was trying to be
a little mean and pushy. And obviously it worked.
That's The funny thing about Emerald Fennell's movies.
It's like even when she's asked about these things, she seems
like she doesn't really care that people to argue about
whether she's a good director. Because I do think there's a
level of her making these movies where she's like, I wouldn't be
allowed to make movies any other way besides people making films
that I know people are going to. That's basically making movies
that are going to piss people off.
And that's why she reminds you probably most of Aronofsky
Adventure as directors who were just like want to keep smashing
the red button in the middle of the room because they know that
there's money to make there and they can maybe say something
interesting while they're doing it anyway.
So we in the second-half of the movie, we get like a Richard
Heathcliff. Don't really love that, but we
do get. That's why we never really like
learn what? Happened right like they yadda
yadda it he's. Like, yeah, I made some money.
I don't really want to discuss it.
And there's some stuff with like Hung Chow's character that I
thought that was like unsuccessful.
Yeah. So what do you think they were
trying to do there? Because it going going back to
the thematically scattered element to this movie, there are
interesting ideas about critiquing wealth, patriarchy,
people fetishizing class or how privileged white women are.
You know, even they are trapped inside certain patriarchal
systems. Were they trying to say that
even those white woman like Margot Robbie's character were
unaware of how a woman of color could be far more trapped in
those systems? Yeah.
It was supposed to be, yeah. For Yeah, I think like
Catherine, the way that she treated Nelly was supposed to be
like an indictment on Kathy. Kathy I.
Hate it the way Jacob already says it, Kathy.
It couldn't take it. But, yeah.
So I think there's supposed to be an indictment on Margot
Robbie's character. But because Margot Robbie's
character was also kind of like, at the center of this.
And like, you're supposed to be like kind of disagreeing with
her and how she was like living her life in this like privileged
way that she saw herself in like a a how I'm going to die in this
house. She like in the the I guess her
status. It's not even that good of a
song. It's just the trailer was such,
it's such good marketing. I just kept hearing it over and
over again while watching it. Anyway, I don't think it.
Was successful in, like, criticizing Margot Robbie's
character? Yeah.
I guess, yeah. Performance wise, I have nothing
else to say. I think ultimately the movie was
not successful, but I didn't have a bad time.
Yeah, I was just bored. That was the saddest part about
the sex scenes too, because I was like, these are two of the
hottest people working. So it is kind of you just did a
bad job if people aren't convinced even by that.
Unless you had a you thought you had a good time with this movie
and it was you liked the thematic elements.
You thought it was the production design was
incredible. You love the cinematography from
Line of Sangren, who is a good cinematographer, though.
I thought the movie was like really poorly lit.
For whatever reason. We don't get into that.
And maybe you liked all the romantic erotic thriller aspects
toward the second-half of the movie.
I will say Jacob Allordy and Allison Oliver's character,
their sexual dynamic in the sexual politics and also the
sort of rug pulling of what's actually going on over there in
terms of like her having more power than what is being led on
in that relationship. Well, it's because he's sort of
being a little tricky. Well, I guess you know I've.
It's really weird to to kind of see like people who have read
the book have a big relationship to the book.
Yeah, because you haven't, right?
I have not. I have not either.
I was supposed to read it in, like a lit class and I didn't.
But I feel like that what people have said is that like, he
actually did abuse that character, like the Heathcliff
character. Oh, in the book.
Yeah. So like.
But the way I read. It in the movie and the way that
I think it was intended in the movie very clearly, which by the
way, would have went really bad if they did.
Cast a person of color being abusive.
I do think the character is supposed to be abusive in the
novel so but in in the movie. Heathcliff was like playing at
the idea of that happening to get Kathy to write him back to
come see him. And so I like I thought that was
like actually a good a little bit of relief in the movie.
That was like feeling a little too serious and like tonally
like in into itself. She brought a lot of levity, too
much with. The the.
Like sex scenes of Jacob and Lordy and Margot Robbie, like,
because once that started getting boring, I was like, oh,
man, this. That's a bummer.
And then but then, yeah, when when they kind of have a
relationship, I just think that Allison Oliver just did such a
good job. Like, bringing the comedy to
that. There's one moment where she was
like, refreshing. He's like, I need you to write
this and she's like, why can't you write it?
Oh, wait, you can't write or whatever.
She was just being a little spicy with him, but we had just
watched her like bark and stuff like that.
So we're like, what is going on here?
So I like that being a little bit of a mystery with Hung
Chow's character and her being sort of tricked.
I just like that she was kind of like a.
Little scary even when we first meet her, she reminded me of who
is. Moaning Myrtle?
Yes, she reminded me of moaning. Myrtle from Harry.
Potter. Apparently Allison Oliver played
somebody in Saltburn I saw on the cast list, but I don't
remember her from Saltburn. There's a sister in that film
that she could have been, but if that was her and she disappeared
into that role because I just could not tell.
Yeah. So I haven't looked at her
career. There was.
Also another actor in this who Ewan Mitchell, and he was the
guy who we really liked in House of Dragon and apparently he was
also in Sulphur and I don't remember him in House of Dragon.
Yeah, yeah. Sulphur.
He's he is. I think he likes Barry Keogan.
I think they have like a relationship at first.
Oh, you're right. Yeah.
And he's pissed because he falls in love with.
Jacob already? Oh, apparently he's also in the.
Task. Oh no, no, that's Allison
Oliver. I'm excited to watch the.
Task Mark Ruffalo. We're gonna get to Mark Griff a
little bit later. Wait.
Allison Oliver was also. In the order with Jude Law.
Do you remember her? Interesting.
Was she the wife? I don't know how to look.
I really like that movie. OK, we're going to the next
film. OK.
So ultimately, I think Emerald Cannell, Saltburn, Promising
Young Woman, good movies, though there's a problematic discourse
around them that I think some of it's valid, some of it's not.
And then Wuthering Heights is kind of like a lot of movies
that came out last year. It feels like Mickey 17.
It feels a little bit like Eddington were like, it was a
very bold, ambitious take that provoked a lot of people, was
very divisive in its reaction. Maybe Eddington's not fair, but
maybe Mickey 17 is the better comp and it just mostly didn't
work. But you can see how it almost
worked. On to our next film.
We just saw this last night, How to Make a Killing.
It just came out. So this is an instant reaction.
We haven't really talked about it at all.
Glenn Powell, Did you want me to give the synopsis or just want
to go into Glenn Powell? No, no, give the synopsis 'cause
you might. Not know about this movie I.
Think it's an 824 film. There hasn't been much marketing
of it, but Glenn Powell stars as a character named Beckett who
is, what do I want to say, like a blue collar outsider who has
been disowned by his ultra wealthy family and he decides to
reclaim his family fortune because he believes it is owed
to him. And maybe it is, and he decides
to reclaim it by doing some bad stuff and trying to eliminate
some things that are in the way of his, you know, inheritance.
The thesis is why make? A living when you can make a
killing. Good.
Well done, well done, He. Still a bad title.
Yeah, it is a bad title. I I think you know, it tells you
what the movie is about very clearly in the marketing.
So if you've seen a trailer like, you know what the movie is
about, but and it's actually not as cool.
As it is in the marketing, I agree.
Is that the? But sorry, no, no.
I was going to say, but. Don't look up anything about
this movie. I would just if you have like a
night to kill, you know, I didn't mean to say the but if
you do, like we got to cut it. I'm not trying to be.
I'm not trying to like do a pun. I literally I meant it actually,
if you just have a movie where you're like, I want to or not,
where you're like, I want to go see a movie.
This is just a fun movie to see after work, right?
And it's like bad ready or not. Yeah, yeah, 'cause I think.
We will last. And we're like, what do you
think? That's a good time.
Yeah, that was yeah. Then we can just leave it at
that. Wasn't too long, wasn't too
short. They're good performances all
around, I will say that. If we didn't have two pop up
performances from actors that I absolutely love, the movie
probably would have felt very flat for me.
But there are two sections of the movie where I there was 1
actor. I clapped alone when he showed
up in the theatre. Did a solo clap to welcome him
into the movie and then let out like a huge just like laugh for
the the other person who entered the movie.
And I think they they are just worth going to see the movie
alone, right? So, and I think we can't spoil
that. In like 5 minutes, maybe we can
just have 30 seconds of spoilers.
Have seen it. Yeah, that's a good idea.
And then people can skip. Around OK, before we get into
that, let's talk about. Let's tell you, though, if we
get into any spoilers. Let's talk about Glenn Powell,
OK? I think this is the most I've
ever liked Glenn Powell. I think yes, you're a long time
listener. You know we are Glenn Powell
dislikers. I don't want to say haters, but
mostly because to quote Mean Girls, stop trying to make Glenn
Powell happen. Hollywood and Kelsey's been on
this train. She has been writing the novel
that the great the next Great American novel, Glenn.
Powell has become symbolic of the.
Hollywood white man that Hollywood is trying to shove in
our faces all the time on on big screens.
What do you think about him in this movie though?
Because this might be his best performance, or at least top two
or three. Sorry for him.
Yeah, I think this is exactly. Where Glenn Powell should be.
This is where I liked him the most.
It didn't feel like he was being pushed in my face as this, like,
hot guy who's charming and I should love, like in a What was
the movie he was in with Sidney Sweeney?
Anyone but you. Yes.
Yeah. Like the ROM coms?
I have my personal Glenn Powell. Top 10 ready when you are do you
Oh my God OK I. Definitely want to hear it
because I forget all the movies that he's in because he's just
like, yeah, he's just put in all these movies where it's like,
isn't he like the hottest guy you've ever seen?
And like, he's also like an every guy.
Like it's like stop. Like just he's #1 like it's so
weird to see him and it's, and it's like this obviously like a
lot of other movies in Hollywood, but it's so weird to
see him like playing a romantic like partner to all these like
really young woman. And it's like obviously seeing
like him play in roles that women are not allowed to have
when they show any signs of aging.
So it just feels like you're watching this like paradoxical,
like Hollywood double standard of aging in front of you.
That's number one. And that Glenn Powell, that's
nothing personal with you know against you if you're listening
And but I will say. We got to get better wigs for my
guy. If he's not going to get the
hair transplant, well, he's probably working.
So he probably. Will get the hair transplant.
It's a little bit of a Chris Evans situation.
He's. Working so much, he needs to
take the. Work right now, yeah, but the
wigs are tough in this. Movie if they were they become a
part of the plot him having wigs I think at one point because his
hair changes up quite a bit and then he's wearing a beanie a lot
and so like I think they're they're really just trying to
disguise the fact that he is like in his mid 30s and he which
is fine yeah and but you have to convincingly believe that he's
the same age as like Margaret quality yes which they actually
they might be Margaret quality is just like gorgeous so I don't
know but we're but I mean the other.
Lead who I really like, Jessica Henwick.
She's really good in this. Yeah, she's great, but she at
least feels considerably younger.
OK, but regardless of of age, I'm just bringing it up because
of the, the, you know, double standard in Hollywood of like
not letting women act past a certain age or being like
leading roles. It it just feels like he isn't
like, I don't know, he he is sort of like the lane of what
Brad Pitt was or George Clooney was or like, yeah, I have a take
on this. Yeah, just a lot.
Of like the the. Movie star, right, The white
movie star that people are trying to, like, reintroduce
with. And this is probably part of my
hate of like, a Jacob Loardy and Austin Butler and a Glenn
Powell. Yeah.
And And so like, that's part of my like, you're like, angry at
the studio systems. Yeah.
But they also give me like the ick.
Because of it too, because it's like part of the characters that
they're cast in have some sort of that that awareness of
casting in it. So anyway, but I think that he
is really like good in this particular lane of a movie.
That was just a fun time. I he was believable enough.
He didn't need to like be super funny because I don't think he's
like that funny. He has moments.
A lot of it plays. On like he.
Is attractive and being like subtle and so isn't that funny
and it's like, no, not real. Like he's not being like Brad
Pitt hot, like chewing nachos while like he does something
wrong and leaves like a cell phone in the room and he tries
to do a little bit of that in the.
Running Man, take it from last year, in his past year.
Oh, I didn't see running Man. Yeah, it's not a very good
movie. But he tries.
By the way, I was talking about oceans.
That one. But anyway, so we talked about
this in the car ride home. That Glenn Powell sort of feels
like the first Chachi PT actor, like the first AI actor and like
respectfully, as much as I can mean respectfully, like he does
feel like an amalgamation of other actors where yes, Brad
Pitt, other male actors like that who have like ABS and a
Crimson chin that could like break a wall.
And they certainly identify that in this movie.
They're like, let's have him stick his chin out even more
like he did so many chin exercises.
His jaw is about to pop out of his body.
But the thing about Glenn Powell is he's like, they keep trying
to be like he's as grounded as Bruce Willis, and it's like he's
not. And they keep trying to be like,
he's as dramatically effortless as an everyman is Matt Damon,
and he's not. And they keep trying to be like,
he's as strong, charisma willed as Matthew McConaughey, and he's
not even close. And so like, it's strange just
to keep getting gas lit for this many.
Years, you know what I mean? It's.
Like we, I don't know who is saying that he is that person.
You know what we do listen to the big picture a lot.
And Amanda, who I love one of my favorite podcasters ever and she
is in love with Glenn Powell. I would say Sean is also.
I guess the big picture in general.
I would, yeah. The the the.
Ringer, you know, is our big Glen Palace.
They've sort of helped make Glen Powell happen.
That is true, but they're the. Reasons.
I say to everyone, stop trying to make Glen Powell happen.
It's also a studio thing, though, obviously, with him
being in all these roles. Like, what was the movie that we
liked with Hitman? Yeah, yeah, Andrew, Arjona and
Hitman. Richard like so good in.
It and yeah but anyway, and he was fine there too I think the
how to make a killing and also the Linklater movie Hitman yeah
are good yeah those might be his two best performances.
I really think that a lot of his love stems from the earlier
Linklater movie, The baseball movie.
And there's just like a, a fandom base around that, that I,
it's an earlier love that I will.
We're going about to get into whenever you want me to throw
the top down earlier. OK, Yeah, go.
For it all right, very quickly, we're not.
Going to talk about each one of these.
I'm just going to say them out loud.
You take it in and whatever you want to discuss, we can discuss
#10 Glen Powell's top 10, Spy Kids 3D number 9.
Stop it. I totally forgot.
Do you want to see? Look, I pulled it up.
Look it, he plays like that little twerp who argues with
Juby. What's his name?
I forgot I forget his name. Judy, I think his name is.
I've seen Spy Kids. I love Spy Kids.
I don't want to rewatch it though because I feel like it
will ruin the experience for me, but Spy Kids 3D number 10. #9
Dark Knight Rises when Bane throws his head into the he's
like robbing the stock market. However you do that, he puts
like Ausb into the stock market and robs it #8 anyone but you.
Which is the Sydney Sweeney. Movie at #7 The.
Running man again, which I just said I saw last year.
Edgar Wright, It didn't totally work.
Michael Cerra is great in it. Number six twisters I forgot.
Didn't like the movie at all. And didn't really love his
character, but he was pretty convincing.
I thought, yeah, him and. Daisy Edgar Jones had like
absolutely no chemistry in that movie.
People love twisters though. I love the original.
I mean, I love the original too. Yeah, but yeah, I thought he did
a fine job of being like I am. Like playing on this idea of
like knowing I'm charming and right the, I don't know, like he
did a. Fine.
Job and accomplishing with the character dumb broke white man.
I'm actually a smart, rich white man.
Yeah, I was playing a cowboy. Yeah.
OK #5 everybody wants some. Which is the baseball movie.
You were. Yeah, I was talking to #4 Top
Gun, Maverick, We forget Tom Cruise.
Tried to make him happen actually might be the reason why
this. Conversation that this Glen
power I think that Tom. Cruise like must have tapped
people on the shoulder to raise him up.
He tried to do it. Miles Teller, too.
Yeah. Tom.
I mean, I don't know. I don't know.
Tom. Yeah.
Tom, we thought. We thought we.
Knew you and we. Yeah, you're weird and
everything, but we thought you'd have better taste.
No, he's. I'm just laughing because, like,
Tom is like, don't even see movies.
What? He's pretty good about going to
shout out people's movies and other actors and do the movies,
but yeah. I thought his casting.
Choices were sort of weird in type of Maverick.
I don't love Miles Teller or I don't really don't love I.
I felt that way too about Miles Teller.
Like obviously love Miles Teller and Whiplash, but the like
fratty vibe that Miles Teller had similar to Glenn Powell,
except Glenn Powell is a little bit like prettier.
Like seems like like he had a better skin care routine.
Like obviously it seems like he, I don't actually know anything
about his background, but he just looks wealthier like and so
like that's why Hollywood has put him into things.
But yeah, him and Miles Teller for similar reasons.
It's like a post wedding crashers.
Generation, which is our generation.
Like basically 31 to 37 year olds who still find the Hangover
parts 2 and 3 funny. #3. Set it up One of the most
underrated romantic comedies of the last decade or two.
Who's in that? Who we?
Like Zoe or Deutsch? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's actually very good. We saw it, but.
We also haven't seen him in a long time.
That's where he actually does try to play.
A normal dude and his hair is like down and he's not totally
jacked, he just fit #2 I have this movie How to Make a Killing
as his second best performance, which I think he's saying a lot
about his career. And then number one, I've
Hitman, which is easily his best performance.
I also find it weird that his last two movies, Hitman and this
film, which I guess aren't his last two because Running Man,
but Hitman and How to Make a Killing are basically a very,
very similar plot or at least character arc.
OK, So what else do we want to say about this movie?
And I and I do think he's funny when it's not.
To knowing, but it's like, let's do yeah, yeah, sorry.
Go ahead. That was it.
OK. Let's do like a quick spoiler.
Warning for like the next 45 seconds to a minute.
So skip if you have not seen this movie for like a minute for
how to make a killing. For how to make a killing.
Margaret Quali is in this movie. Yeah.
I like Margaret Quali. Yeah.
Loved her in the substance a year ago.
She feels either miscast or poorly written.
Her character being poorly written, so weirdly written.
I feel like she's like in a different movie.
Like it just always feels like I know it's sort of a intentional.
It's part of it, yeah. I just don't.
Like the choice I kind of wish. She was ripped out of the film,
and I don't like to conceive that she's the reason that
everything falls apart. Me too.
Yeah. So I think.
It's just a bad writing. Yeah.
And their chemistry's off, like, in terms of what their
relationship is like, Yeah, you should really want them to bang.
Like that should be a big part of their their dynamic, but it
doesn't really come through. Yeah, now for the.
Supporting. Performances.
The MVPS of the movie, Zach Woods and Topher Grace.
Yeah, these are my applause. And welcome welcoming into the
movie. Zach Woods in particular.
I clapped for him, which I normally don't try to make a
scene in the movie or anything like that, but really, really
loved seeing his face. And I didn't, I mean, his
character was like a little weird and didn't really give him
his full range, I will say of comedy, but I just appreciate
seeing him in anything. They're really funny.
Zach Woods in particular, as a sort of like hipster artist.
Was just fantastic and. He's also a great follow on his
nicknames to everybody. Zach Woods is just, yeah,
genuine. Genuinely just really funny.
Topher Grace We just have like a very nostalgic relationship too,
because of that. 70s Show seems like one of the only good people
to emerge out of that show. He's been playing very strange
villains for the last 20 years. He obviously, he was Venom in
Spider Man 3. Then he was the head of the Ku
Klux Klan in Spike Lee's movie Black Klansmen, and he's like
strangely very good in that role.
And he's done all their villain performances too.
And so, like, now he's back as a kind of like villain adjacent
role here where he almost chops off the head of our lead
character Glenn Powell's character with a with a sword.
Yeah. Anyways, he's very funny.
And I, I really loved their parts of the movie.
Me too. I love the kind of righteous.
Gemstones, you know, small bit that we got there with Eric
Corman. So my thing about this film is
it was marketed. As we're going to go through a
family tree and meet a lot of surprise actors they didn't know
were cast in the film. And that was only two people,
really. There was a third guy, but he
was like a, you know, I don't know, his face.
Yeah. I mean, I thought there was
going to be. Like a succession, like going
through the the family tree vibe, like we get like the
politics between the family members.
Like, I mean, I wasn't expecting like so much depth, but I guess
it did feel a little flat, only like going to those two
characters really try to do a Tom Shiv thing at the.
End yes, doesn't really work. Yeah, but I genuinely thought
we're going to be introduced to like 7 be actors that were a ton
of fun and I was really excited for that.
Yeah, sort of like a Kill Bill. Situation like we have different
chapters or a crime one O 1. Situation because if we can get
into crime one O 1 now OK yeah so sell us on it yeah so I'm
going to. Start this a little differently.
Because I think usually we'll do like a little reaction or I
would just do a reaction here. But I'll what I will say is I
actually don't want to say much of anything about this movie.
So my my Cell is that I had such a good time with this, not
because it's a masterpiece by any means or super original,
because it's neither of those things.
It is sort of a like a crime thriller that's going to feel
familiar and super slick and sleek.
And it is 100, a $100 million Chris Hemsworth vehicle.
And it feels like a little bit of a boys movie, but it actually
is more than that, but not much more than that.
But we don't make movies like this anymore.
And people really wanted people to go and watch the RIP on
Netflix a few weeks ago or a month ago.
And I thought that movie was fucking trash.
And I do not think we should be supporting those movies, even
though I like those actors in that film.
And some of them I love, like Steven Young or Tiana Taylor or
about Damon and Ben Affleck. And like there's a whole massive
crew in that film that's really talented.
But I think that that movie was just bad.
This movie is one of the coolest adult crime dramas we've gotten
in years. It comes from the director of
American Animals and if you haven't seen that movie, I do
recommend watching American Animals before going to see
this. That was a ton of fun and really
interesting. Sort of a bummer film, but I
think also weirdly funny because of how absurd it is.
Sort of like The Mastermind. If you've seen the Mastermind
you will like American Animals but crime one O 1.
Don't watch trailer, do not scroll the cast list.
Don't even look it up on letterboxed.
Just go see it on a Friday night.
Get some popcorn, have a beer. 3 1/2 four-star movie experience.
You'll have a good time. I think almost guaranteed based
on some of the comments on TikTok on my video.
Not guaranteed. Well, I wonder also like that's.
A movie that I think general audiences are going to see like
a lot of people like maybe I don't know if actually how to
make a killing would be in the same category, but it feels
like, you know, when you get like a weathering Heights
actually this whole episode, right, of like movies that a lot
of people are going to see. It's not like, you know, the
opening weekend of like Eddington or that's maybe still
even like a little bit more mainstream, but whatever, you
know what I'm talking about, Like movies sometimes that we
tend to cover that people who are keyed into like what's
happening in movies coming out. No weapons is still like.
Big. I guess I don't get to
understand what you're. Saying I'm saying that like I.
Think that when you hit like when you hit the the general
audience of like TikTok audiences who also like watch
the RIP. Oh I see, if that makes sense.
We're like going. To crime thrillers, Like they
might just be out on certain elements of a genre movie.
Does that make sense? No, I get what you mean.
Non theatre goers. That were convinced to go to the
theatre being like oh who like think the RIP is good is what?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, but I'm, I don't know.
I'm excited to see it. I love Heat.
Yeah, it is very all the movies that.
You. Very French Connection, maybe at
that caliber, but a little bit of the town.
Just like influenced, not like oh, I'm thinking it says that
what you just said the same caliber.
It's a very controlled, smooth film making style too.
Some great chase sequences here, like R chase sequences, good
motorcycle chase sequences, great editing in those
sequences. Sometimes like chase sequences
are like really well shot and really well lit to put.
The editing is like super maximalist.
That's fucking annoying. And this was the best chase
sequence I've seen since the Batman and that movie came out
like 4 years ago now. So not L ambu LA.
Ants. Ambu LA ants.
Has other things going for it like the two brothers in that
film who I find find to be very warm and loving toward one
another and then that their music sequence that they have
together there are other things to love about Andy L ants
outside of the drone Michael Bay drones flying around shooting
the ambulance driving out through LA.
There is a lot of other reasons to see this movie that is mostly
in the cast that I cannot mention.
But I think this supporting cast or crime one O 1 is not phoning
it in in $100 million movie where they, you know,
theoretically should be phoning it in and just taking the money.
But there's a really exciting group of cast members here.
There's a villain performance in particular that was really fun.
So I don't want again, I don't want to spoil it, but I'm
excited to see it. I wish I.
Went to see it with you. So that's crime one O 1.
I recommend going to see that again ASAP because I don't know
how long it's going to be in theaters because I think it's
going to lose some money, but it's exciting for mid budget
adult cinema to come back as it's disappearing so quickly.
All right, that was the end of our February lineup of what
we've been watching from movies to television and the three new
movie releases. Again, I think we're going to be
back talking about other movies that are hurting theaters pretty
soon or have already hit theaters like the Nirvana, the
Band the Show movie, and maybe Scream.
We'll see, but we'll likely be back just on Patreon.
As for right now, because we're just doing Sinners Tomorrow Part
2 because obviously we did Sinners episode that was a good
episode from like 8 months ago and we'll be deep diving Sinners
now. We've had some time to sit with
it and as people probably remember from our episode on
Sinners, we were like really impressed by the filmmaking, the
performances, the multi tone, multi genre concoction that Ryan
Coogler cooked up. He's also one of our favorite
directors of his like that age group, that peer group of like
Damien Chazelle, Greta Gerwig, etcetera.
But that was my least favorite movie that he's that he's made
of of that group of genre blockbusters of Black Panther
and Creed and now this movie. And now I'm re watching it and
doing prep for this. I'm like, I think I'm coming
around. I think I'm like, this is better
than Black Panther. And I think it might be in
competition with like Creed, which is pretty crazy because I
love Creed. Yeah, so I love Creed too.
We. Did a whole like Creed.
I think we well, I think we just meant to actually just do Creed
and then we couldn't like help but talk about all of the
creeds. But yeah, no, I mean, I'm
excited to talk about it. I was excited to talk about like
revisiting it. Michael B Jordan Jimmy Fingers
Now that we have a 2 a new relationship to we can't call
him that we cannot call. Jack O'Connell.
Jimmy Fingers. I mean, that's not even really
his name. That's just like, I know Jimmy
and his fingers well. No, no, no.
He's, I think he's. Jimmy Crystal, right?
But he's Jimmy Fingers to me. I know and I can't and I can't
not talk about it on the center's episode as well.
But yeah, no, I'm excited to talk about like Michael B Jordan
and Ryan Coogler, all the good performances.
But I think I still like even in revisiting it have a lot of
similar takes on like the who's the actor?
Marvel Hailee Steinfeld. Yes, Hailee Steinfeld.
I still have like similar takes about her character, some cringy
stuff. But yeah, I mean, like, it's
it's a really fun movie. It is.
It's a good movie. It is.
A flawed film, but like, a culturally significant movie,
but like also one of the most ambitious blockbusters we've
gotten in years. And it's just strange that we
have to be like, but it's flawed.
And here's why. But yeah, we will be talking
about the flaws, obviously, that we think are flaws tomorrow on
that deep dive. So check us out on Patreon.
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