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Hello, welcome to the extra 
credits of 2025. 

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I'm Trey and. 
I'm Kelsey. 

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The Oscars are a week away and 
we usually put our top 10s or 

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20s or 30s of the previous year 
after catching up on movies 

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we've missed. 
But we're doing our end of year 

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episode a little bit different 
for 2025 as we're now three 

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months into 2026. 
Yeah, it always takes us so long

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to do these, but I, I'm going to
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myself off of past episodes. 
I don't think we should put best

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of list out at the end of the 
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because we saw access to 
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Yeah. 
Possible broader audiences don't

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have access to all the 
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just films that are not 
distributing wide. 

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So yeah, I feel justified and 
waiting to or just being able to

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watch most of the movies here 
and and talk. 

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About them, I know for a fact. 
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fact. 
But I assume with some evidence 

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now being in critical circles 
and being a part of different 

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bodies or getting screeners over
the past year or two, that there

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are some movie pundits out there
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end of the year who have not 
seen all of the movies and yet 

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put those movies on the list. 
I I'm almost certain of this. 

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And I assume that's, you know, 
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take considering much of the 
Oscars awards voters have been 

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voting for movies they haven't 
seen here for a century. 

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Yeah. 
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So usually we just collectively 
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And this year, I'm trying to 
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into a game show that I thought 
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We're calling this the Extra 
Credits Cup. 

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Which I feel like we well, we 
can't have a song that's 

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actually popular that's like 
sports adjacent. 

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But like the you know, that 
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AI mean we can license a Jay 
song for just this episode? 

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I think that seems like a lot of
work we had to like search for 

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one next year and if anyone has 
any recommendations for an extra

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cut, it's cup. 
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Any song that's specific? 
Artists out there who want to 

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compose a theme song for the 
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That sounds like, I mean that 
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that what if we are like this is
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like fits and then they spent 
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I feel like if you're an artist,
most of the time you, you know, 

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rejection is just a part of the 
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mean? 
I feel like an extra annoying 

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situation for them. 
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But yeah, I. 
Just know I supported your music

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and Kelsey did not. 
OK, so this is the Extra Credits

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cup. 
This is going to be a bracket 

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driven. 
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don't you explain the cup to 
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Oh, sure. 
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So this is something that Trey 
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Yeah. 
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Yeah, what is your? 
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Of this, we went to happy hour 
to have a little business 

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meeting about it and we 
basically for 30 minutes Trey 

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explained it to me and I was 
like stop, let me explain it 

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back to you to make sure I 
understand. 

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Sounds like a podcast. 
And that was just how that went.

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So my understanding of me 
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going to have brackets like a 
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other bracket you want to to 
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different categories and it is 
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And it's the Olympics time. 
So this is like Olympics time. 

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That's. 
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Yeah, it's a very sport 
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You know, it's in the air. 
I think, though here's here's 

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the gist. 
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we'll go through different 
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was the most ambitious movie 
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What was the most interesting? 
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What are What are? 
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supporting like? 
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Sorry. 
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someone that was like 
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best line or something. 
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goal for this like later on as 
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just like a ranking episode, 
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have categories like best speech
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You know, like we'll get more 
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Just for our first cup, we're 
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best lead, lead role, you know, 
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Across gender. 
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decide, you know, out of the set
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after another to Eddington, 
who's going to move along in the

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bracket and then we'll have like
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ambitious. 
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bracket exercise. 
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best, you know, supporting 
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This is going to be a little bit
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am sort of figuring this out as 
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actually explained it extremely 
well considering we, I haven't 

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really explained all the rules 
to you, but I promise this will 

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make more sense soon. 
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Considering we haven't 
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All the rules. 
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directly. 
Like I haven't gone through 

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everything with you. 
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really well because I've tried 
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the game ever since we talked 
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Because I was like, she doesn't 
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So I'm going to like come up 
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here's how the game works in 
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Each main category has four head
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I chose the nominees, Kelsey 
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check mark for the nominees, 
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basically of those categories, 
as Kelsey said, the winners will

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move forward into the next round
and we will eventually crown one

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category champion. 
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will eventually face off against
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which movie from 2025 deserves 
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win. 
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understand this last mega round.
It's like the winner from all of

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these that is going to go into 
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talk about like what it means to
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award at the end we're. 
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rubric, but it's essentially our
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Well, not I actually think it's 
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think that's what our show, you 
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look at like what maybe is being
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what deserves more more credit 
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thematically, performance wise. 
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it it is. 
I don't think it's like Best 

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Picture, like it's not. 
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objectively. 
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ranking, which we will on our 
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Oscars at some point on the main
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about our favorite movies of the
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ranking, Yeah, 'cause we. 
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year episodes but we just don't 
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that. 
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We'll we'll return next year and
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on to the cup honestly with. 
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The following years. 
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hearing this on the main feed, 
this is likely going to be the 

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first 30 minutes or so, so you 
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what are Train Kelsey's like, 
Best of 2025 lists, or our 

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favorite movies from this past 
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The full version of this episode
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100 other episodes we have on 
there, which you can check out 

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in the description of this 
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If you want to be a free member,
there's a lot of free episodes 

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on there for you. 
OK, so let's go over the 

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categories very quickly and then
we're going to jump into our 

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first round in this Olympics 
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The categories go most 
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swing, the most scope, I think 
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of film makers and what kind of 
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The degree of difficulty of 
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basically trying to do the most 
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most. 
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is kind of direction, 
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design, score, all feeling like 
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each other or conflicting. 
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point for why they're 
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the same direction as a through 
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going on in that film. 
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that's our that's our extra 
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best lead across gender, strong 
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of film, best supporting again 
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performances across all genres 
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about like the supporting cast 
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The ensemble. 
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that bracket because there might
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that kind of like outshines 
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like push it forward. 
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going to be like the top three 
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movie because I feel like it's 
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Ocean's level movies this year. 
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one battle after another, which 
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So they can afford 8 movie stars
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Then we have best screenplay 
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whatever it is, I like it. 
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things I made-up that I thought 
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theme of all of our Extra 
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Most impactful? 
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culturally significant but also 
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what movie lived in our minds 
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Because I'll give a good 
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Sentimental value is a movie 
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watching it I was like holy 
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body emotional experience. 
I really I just love this 

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conversation about generational 
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wisdom. 
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this house and the architecture 
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architecture of the themes in 
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I thought it was beautiful. 
Haven't thought about it since. 

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And that's a good example of 
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that now. 
That's a movie that has not 

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lived with me, and I'm not 
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I'm not saying those things were
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For whatever reason, that movie 
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to this day after seeing it. 
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Hamnet, which is what a lot of 
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I feel the opposite, which is 
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day I've seen it. 
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Yeah, does. 
That make sense? 

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sentimental value, a lot of 
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especially around like Oscar 
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like, what should we watch like 
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party or something. 
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watch sentimental value first. 
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you know, and then go to 
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But but a lot of people want to 
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totally makes sense. 
But yeah, I I'm excited to talk 

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about sentimental value. 
I definitely liked it more than 

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you. 
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which is like the strongest 
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cinematic environment. 
This might also be like a a 

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theater experience situation 
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True. 
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movies, like I'll give an 
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Battle after another. 
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like, I don't want this category
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realized cinematic environment? 
I wanted to be like, what has 

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1 Battle can be divisive and I 
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like, the Phoenician scheme has 
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OK Yeah. 
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Most rewatchable is our last 
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This is the movie, obviously, 
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more times over the next decade.
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Bill Simmons podcast of 
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And I thought this would be a 
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prophetic about. 
About what will we watch 10 more

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I love it. 
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fun, this is not going to be 
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It will not be advancing the 
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be haters. 
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edition. 
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of the year, necessarily the 
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were intended to be 5 star 
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Box office successes. 
That just never worked for us. 

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they were critically adored in 
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interesting, very subjective 1. 
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Yeah, I like it. 
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hearing like all of the 
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So that's great. 
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Why I said what I said on this? 
Journey oh I understand you were

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like saying like OK I. 
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you're like both. 
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but I, I think also for future, 
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cups, people in the comments, 
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I think like we could do mini 
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saying like best speech of a 
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monologue or something like 
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Superlatives. 
From 2020. 5 That's what we 

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should call it. 
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To. 
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Themes. 
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I was trying to think of 
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know, that was resonant with 
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like an Olympic styled 
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this is also Marty Supreme 
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a lot about that movie too. 
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categories coming for next year.
We also have a ton of questions 

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and you surely will get confused
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everything that's been nominated
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We already posted images, little
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Instagram and on Patreon. 
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there or follow us over there to
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so you can keep up while we're 
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about these movies. 
You did a. 

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Great job organizing all those 
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Appreciate it. 
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we're at the 15 minute mark. 
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our first category, most 
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I also have our computer hooked 
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but I'm double mousing right now
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Off double mousing, Yeah, you do
have two, two mice over there.