1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:19,200 Music. Hello, welcome to the extra 2 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,760 credits of the Alien Cinematic Universe and Fete Alvarez's 3 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,960 Alien Romulus. I'm Trey. 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,400 And I'm Kelsey. This is the beginning to our 5 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,000 Alien August series. Let's go. 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,840 Yeah, I'm so excited at the time is finally here to talk about 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,680 one of the biggest disappointments of 2024, Alien 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,000 Romulus. We're going to be deep diving 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,280 this movie today, so we'll talk about things that worked for 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,040 Alien Romulus fans. But if you felt a little bit, 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,880 you know, conflicted, maybe had some challenging feelings about 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,360 Romulus, Same. And we're going to get into 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,880 that. But I am just excited to be 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,640 finally talking about the Alien franchise once again because in 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,880 Alien August, we're going to be getting into James Cameron's 16 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,280 Aliens probably next weekend. So very soon on the feed you'll 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,960 be seeing that. And at the end of August, around 18 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,880 my birthday time hitting thirty, yeah, we're going to be talking 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,440 about two of our favorite sci-fi epics of the last decade or so, 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,080 Prometheus and Alien Covenant. I cannot wait. 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,520 I know it's going to be a huge Xenomorph month, but it's also 22 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,760 going to be a huge David month. Yeah, I well, he is arguably one 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,680 of the best characters in the Alien franchise, but for sure 24 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,800 also in sci-fi in general. Like he is one of my favorite 25 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,720 characters in fiction. Yeah, no, it's a good take, 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,640 especially for 21st century sci-fi. 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,760 He has to be up there. It is a crime that Fassbender 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,240 never got the Oscar for what he did. 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,960 And Prometheus or Covenant. Yeah, so good. 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,120 We just talked about Walter too. Walter. 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Walter. So on Patreon right now we are 32 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,080 running a limited, a free membership series where you can 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,600 have access to four deep dives we've covered on there. 34 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,000 So if you go in the description of this episode, you can sign up 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,800 for our Patreon as a free member, no cost at all, and 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,520 you'll have access to four episodes. 37 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,039 And one of those episodes is a really big deal for our Alien 38 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:11,320 August, which is Ridley Scott's Alien. 39 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,040 We did over two hours of a deep dive on that movie. 40 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,600 It's I thought you. Were going to say a really big 41 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,840 deal for me. It is a really big deal for me 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,400 because I don't know if I could like we're going to have to re 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,360 record that episode because I remember recording it in the 44 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,680 moment being like, there's so much stress I have for no reason 45 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,840 outside of this just being my favorite movie and I feel like 46 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,920 I'm messing it up at the top. But it was a good episode. 47 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:33,960 And then we talked about Silence of the Lambs and Ex Machina and 48 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,480 Midsummer and three other deep dives. 49 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,080 So listeners, if you're not a free member on Patreon right 50 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,400 now, you'll have access to like 10 hours of conversation over. 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,080 Those four movies, you can see what we're doing over there. 52 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Yeah, and that's until August 31st or Alien August. 53 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,320 So back to Alien Romulus. This movie is a massive hit. 54 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,960 It's made over $100 million worldwide. 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,080 It is a blockbuster hit. I don't know if anybody saw this 56 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,200 coming because this movie was supposed to be straight to 57 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,120 streaming, straight to Hulu. I'm really glad we got to see 58 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,360 you in theaters. I'm glad it's in theaters wide 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,320 too. That's awesome. 60 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,680 I'm glad it's not some stupid Netflix limited, you know, 61 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,600 release or I'm happy that 20th Century Studios and I guess 62 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,240 Disney now decided to send it to theaters. 63 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,320 But mostly I'm happy because it's doing so well, which means 64 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,160 that we could have a Ridley Scott and to the David trilogy. 65 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,680 Yeah, I mean, that's what I was going to say because both of us 66 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,960 weren't, you know, in love with this movie when we left. 67 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,080 We are big Alien franchise fans and we'll talk about why. 68 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,680 And I also get why people did enjoy it. 69 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,680 But regardless, I think people should go see it in the theaters 70 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,360 one because it has set pieces that are cool to see in the 71 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,960 theaters. But if you are maybe like, you 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,080 know, after you listen to us in our non spoiler section and 73 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,440 you're like, I still don't know if I should go, you know, see 74 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,840 this take my take my night to go watch this still go just to 75 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,680 support seeing David on screen again because. 76 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,480 We're just to support us to be able to go see David. 77 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,160 Like if you don't even care about, for me it's government 78 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,840 and you like this show, like just go pay the 15 bucks to go 79 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,080 see the movie so that we can have it one day. 80 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,440 We appreciate it. So we can see Michael Fassbender 81 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,480 and what if really, Scott? He said he had three more in 82 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,399 him, right? I think he said he originally 83 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:21,800 wanted to make it a 5 movie series after Prometheus, and I 84 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,880 don't think he wanted to call any of them alien. 85 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,840 That's just something he did with Covenant and to put some 86 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,280 more aliens in there. And he kind of expedited the 87 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:31,240 glue, turning the goo turning into xenomorphs and David's 88 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,440 experiments and all those things. 89 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,800 But I don't want to spoil too much for listeners who haven't 90 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,080 checked those films out. They are fantastic and they were 91 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,600 much better than Romulus. But yeah, I think he originally 92 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,840 was like, let's do five. We have it in US, and I'm just 93 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:47,320 happy with the two. But if we can get a third, that 94 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,960 would be sick. Yeah. 95 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,040 So let's back up a little bit. Let's talk about our love and 96 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,280 relationship to the Alien universe outside of some 97 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:57,920 franchises we grew up with and have a lot of childhood 98 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,600 nostalgia for, like Harry Potter, for example, or even 99 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,000 Star Wars to a certain extent. I think the Alien Blade Runner, 100 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,680 I'm going to include Blade Runner and we'll get to why 101 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,240 later. That universe is probably our 102 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,080 favorite serious adult coded franchise. 103 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,480 You know, it's not because there's so many franchises and 104 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,000 this is just maybe the the formula of making franchise 105 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,040 films and now legacy sequels. They are so directed at all 106 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,160 audiences, like all ages. Like Marvel or something. 107 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,480 Right. And I have a love for, you know, 108 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,120 MCU, MCU movies or Star Wars films or Star Trek or whatever. 109 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,440 But there is a level of kind of like it's for everyone there. 110 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,760 There's a universal quality that almost brings down that kind of 111 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,720 like individuality of each new movie a part of a franchise. 112 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,840 An alien is known for hiring a tour film makers, getting new 113 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,560 sets and crews every new movie except for the Ridley Scott 114 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,440 films which we love so much, and really bringing out its own 115 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,120 distinct identity and its own vision of what the original film 116 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,600 is trying to say or even James Camerons movie. 117 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,840 Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting it because you know, 118 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:04,320 when you watch the like Alien, like four of the movies, they 119 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:10,240 all feel wildly different. But yeah, I love the Alien 120 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,600 franchise because it's not just a horror movie, right? 121 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,040 Yeah, where sometimes you have to, like, pull out ideas or 122 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,400 things that are interesting, right? 123 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:22,680 But they might also not be there or intentional. 124 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,680 Yeah. But with Alien, like it's very 125 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,480 intentional of who the villain is. 126 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,160 And that's like the corporation. Right. 127 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,000 Always. Yeah, and also it's a workplace, 128 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,000 like drama, horror. Well, those are the best ones, 129 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,920 yeah. I think when it gets away from 130 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,480 that and is when the series starts lacking and I think 131 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,120 forgetting what the original Alien was so good at and why 132 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,240 people kept coming back to it and still come back to it. 133 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,880 Yeah. Because you're seeing human 134 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,680 conflict, yes, more realistically in that specific 135 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,440 setting where like it is life or death and it's also a work 136 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,200 mission. So it's like personal interest 137 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,720 or the company's interest or collective interest. 138 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,960 Like those are all questions that Alien has versus like a 139 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,640 bunch of teenagers showing up at a haunted house, which is 140 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,880 essentially what Alien Romulus is and possibly a reason that I 141 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,480 was more low on it because of why I have a relationship to the 142 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,080 Alien universe even for the lower ones on my list. 143 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,760 Yeah, so I agreed. I think this franchise has legs 144 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,440 and has lived on as a legendary one because people keep coming 145 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,920 back to this universe for a few timeless aspects. 146 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,440 One being the obvious HR Giger creation of the slasher from 147 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,760 space, which is the Xenomorph and all of its evolutionary 148 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,240 stages, which we'll get to today. 149 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,400 And the kind of the the movie kind of mutation of the 150 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,920 Xenomorph is fascinating as the movies go on. 151 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,800 And then also what you're saying the nightmare funhouse on a 152 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,960 spaceship that ensues in almost every film because of that 153 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,880 creature. And then I think people come 154 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,960 back to these films for those things, right? 155 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,600 But also for the ideas. I think there is a distinct 156 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,640 thematic vision that most of the Alien movies have. 157 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,920 Yeah, that make them this incredible crossover of 158 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,480 entertaining spectacle or claustrophobic spectacle with 159 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,200 like these mean dark conceptual provocations. 160 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,360 Yeah, that you just really can't find in a lot of franchises. 161 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,760 You can find it in a lot of individual sci-fi movies or 162 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,760 horror movies, but not in a lot of movies that really try to 163 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,600 elongate that original story. And for some reason, this one 164 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,440 just. Works. 165 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,280 Sure. Yeah, and a lot of science 166 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:31,000 fiction that is popular in film franchises focuses more on 167 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,440 morality as a focus or like, you know, a heroic figure. 168 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,360 And while we do obviously have Ripley and Dave, no, I'm just 169 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:40,320 kidding. David. 170 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,520 David's a iconic villain of the. Protagonist of Prometheus and 171 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,880 Covenant. But but and I think that, you 172 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,080 know, you don't have like someone who is inherently like 173 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,880 the person who you're supposed to be rooting for and like this 174 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,560 reluctant hero in the same way that feels kind of cheesy that I 175 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:02,160 still love in other franchises. But there is, I think, just what 176 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,760 you're saying, like this cold, right, like atmosphere of being 177 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:11,200 in space, of questioning, like what is what do we attach to the 178 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,560 characteristics of humanity like with replicants and the Blade 179 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:16,760 Runner extension? So yeah. 180 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,280 I mean, it's this interesting exploration of both class and 181 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,320 mortality and like what these wealthy corporations and the 182 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,000 tyrants that rule them are willing to do to people through 183 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,400 exploitation of Labor to acquire more and more power to them, 184 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,640 basically become immortal. That's like the through line of 185 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,520 the franchise. Yeah. 186 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,920 Like you're watching a Xenomorph, you're watching 187 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,800 people fight it, and you're watching an Android in the 188 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,520 periphery somewhere, and then not realizing until the end of 189 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,840 the movie that most of that stuff was a red herring, though 190 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,280 very exciting because the real villain of the story is Mother. 191 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,600 You know, Like it is the ship, it is the corporation, it's 192 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,480 Waylon Utani or whatever the company is and whatever film 193 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,240 we're in. So that's always the most 194 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,480 brilliant part of this franchise when I come back to it. 195 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,200 And it's always the thing that I find most fascinating in terms 196 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,800 of the way that other directors read the original IP of this 197 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,120 franchise. Because Ridley Scott obviously 198 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,200 understands it best conceptually, and that's why he 199 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,480 comes back to it with Prometheus about this kind of like mythic 200 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,120 storytelling. But also using these like this 201 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,520 juxtaposition of this like tyrant colonist with this 202 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,760 religious zealot as the protagonist versus the 203 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,800 antagonist. And not realizing that these two 204 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,480 characters are like two sides of the same coin, sort of. 205 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,240 And trying to reach immortality or have some kind of purpose to 206 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,840 their accidental human lives is just fascinating. 207 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,120 It's a fascinating read on this franchise, which is why we love 208 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,280 Prometheus so much and the extension of that and Covenant. 209 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,480 But then it's so interesting and Romulus and now we can get to 210 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,040 Romulus. I think for non spoilers at at 211 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,920 least for right now that Freddy Alvarez is like, let's just take 212 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,520 all the good stuff from all those alien movies and let's 213 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,440 just put them in one film, but make it feel more like 214 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,240 Cameron's, you know, escapist action movie. 215 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,960 And even take out the trauma theme of that movie or the kind 216 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,600 of post Vietnam theme of that movie. 217 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,920 And let's just kind of get these these young people in a gooney 218 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,120 situation where they're just trying to get something, some 219 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,200 kind of treasure, and they need to escape from their world 220 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,840 because it's falling apart. Yeah, Yeah. 221 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,000 I think also I guess before what we should say we're going to get 222 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,120 into Romulus with non spoilers right now. 223 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,400 But I I think that something with Romulus that I'm definitely 224 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,920 interested to talk about and a reason why it maybe is one of 225 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,680 the least compelling Alien movies that I've seen has to do 226 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:27,680 with why I love the Alien movies and what I come to them for. 227 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,400 And it's not like where I'm trying to be pretentious and 228 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,920 like, you know, oh, like the Alien movies have so many ideas 229 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,280 and they're so important. I'm just like, no, like they're 230 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,360 doing better than most movies, like in in Hollywood, right? 231 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,160 They're also really strange and weird blockbusters, like the 232 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,800 fact that Ridley Scott got $200 million to make Prometheus, 233 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,080 which is essentially a question asking the audience, what if you 234 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,200 met God and God wanted to kill you, and then you also made 235 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,560 something that could kill you. And God, which is David, is so 236 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:57,720 cool. Like, it's so strange and weird 237 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,520 and bizarre. And I don't know if it could 238 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,320 happen today, but maybe, you know, with the success of 239 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,560 Romulus, it can. Yeah. 240 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:08,080 And so I think I come to the the franchise looking for those 241 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,280 original themes that Ridley Scott was interested in, right, 242 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,200 in creating Alien and also that he is very interested in in 243 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,280 Covenant and Prometheus. But part of that also has to do 244 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:23,280 with the kind of villains or the corporations at the the center 245 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:26,640 as like a villainous figure. But it's not where it's kind of, 246 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,760 you know, like a villain that feels like a Marvel villain, 247 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,880 right? Where we see like a a different 248 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,840 person kind of represent similar themes. 249 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,720 Like, you know, you see people like pop up again and again of 250 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,320 Marvel, they feel like similar people or we're just kind of 251 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,680 like killing the same villain kind. 252 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:45,400 Of thing, they're almost like Mac Guffins. 253 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:47,080 They create, they create some kind of like that's the 254 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,800 technical dilemma for our protagonist that's so basic. 255 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,160 And the morals are always very binary, except for the best 256 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,240 villains obviously. Yeah, obviously. 257 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,960 But I think like in, you know, the Alien universe, we have 258 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:04,120 really fascinating iterations of the company. 259 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,920 Like Tyrell is a little bit different than Wallace and is a 260 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,640 little bit different than Wayland. 261 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,720 And like, I think that's so fascinating and fun and love 262 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,080 that a horror movie is actually focused on like labor 263 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,160 exploitation as the true horror, but it's still a monster movie. 264 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,680 And I usually actually don't really love monster movies, but 265 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:27,920 I love Aliens so much. And I so I think like, like I 266 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,800 understand though, why people feel similar to us who come to 267 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,920 the alien movies for those themes. 268 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,560 They're like interested in what does this movie have to say? 269 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:37,760 Right? What is this director kind of 270 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,640 going to do with this, this storyline? 271 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,080 And then, you know, some people genuinely just come to the alien 272 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,480 movies with like, this is a monster movie. 273 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,400 These are fun horror movies like I, you know, people who love 274 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:56,720 aliens dollar sign, but aliens I I get that too. 275 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,480 You know what I mean? If you're like, I just like 276 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,360 these movies for the thrills, then you'll probably like alien 277 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,280 Romulus more. And that's not like a 278 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,360 pejorative, you know, take I'm not judging anyone if you just 279 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,720 enjoy horror movies, but I but the reason I didn't like Romulus 280 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,120 is because it lacked where I have expectations around the 281 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,600 franchise because I think it's what makes it special. 282 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,040 Absolutely. I mean, this was simultaneously 283 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,040 my most anticipated movie experience of the summer. 284 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,880 Like I was so ready to get into Romulus and just watch this 285 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:29,720 movie. Like when you got your 286 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,480 surgeries, I was counting the months. 287 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,240 I was like, because I mean, I'm supporting, I'm getting Kelsey. 288 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,520 I'm hoping Kelsey get through this but I was like doing the 289 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,520 days like can Kelsey get to this theater with. 290 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Can I see Romulus? And it worked out and I was so 291 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,600 excited and I was thinking, wow, this might be the first movie 292 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,360 you see. But we actually saw a few other 293 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,120 movies. We just saw Trap two nights ago, 294 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,360 which was one of the best movies of the summer. 295 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,640 Certainly better. Than Romulus. 296 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:51,360 But. But not. 297 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,400 But I don't want to just say that though, because like there 298 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,680 were elements of Romulus that I enjoyed more obviously as a 299 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,400 major kind of blockbuster that it is. 300 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,440 Yeah. But I mean, Strap was like a 301 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,000 very specific kind of cheesy good. 302 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,200 It knew what it was, though. It had a vision, OK, that's 303 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,200 fine. It knew what it was. 304 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,720 And Romulus feels like we are everything. 305 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,000 And that's what's wrong with franchise filmmaking today. 306 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,600 Like we are doing all of the movies. 307 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,640 Yeah, and we're. About to get into that, but 308 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,280 like, yeah, I was trying to say this is my most anticipated 309 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,640 movie of the summer while also being the movie that I had the 310 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,640 lowest expectations for thematically. 311 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,400 Like I knew what I was getting into because I knew Fede Alvarez 312 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,440 was taking on this film. I know he got the nod of 313 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,080 approval from Ridley Scott, who I think did that for more 314 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,400 financial reasons than anything else, I would assume, which 315 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,000 we'll we'll get to at the end of this episode. 316 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,760 But for people don't who don't know Alvarez David movie to make 317 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,080 his David film. Yeah, I think Alvarez and his 318 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,960 crew have worked on franchise work, right? 319 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,160 They did a sequel to Fincher's adaptation of The Girl with the 320 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,760 Dragon Tattoo. That bombed. 321 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,960 They did the remake of Evil Dead in 2013, which has incredible 322 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,520 set pieces, looks pretty good. Acting is really tough. 323 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:58,960 Character writing is really tough. 324 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,520 I don't think it totally works. And now, you know, he has the 325 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,000 Alien franchise. And I was exciting. 326 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,600 I was excited for his sensibilities, which I guess I 327 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,080 would call punishing. Like he's really good punishing 328 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:17,280 the audience in funny ways. And I think he did bring a 329 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,400 distinct look, I think, to the alien movie, and he brought a 330 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,600 feel to this universe that was his own and his cruise. 331 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,200 But I did feel like he kept going back to this push and pull 332 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,800 between this escapism action of aliens and I'm not reducing 333 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,200 aliens. It has ideas and we'll we'll 334 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,400 talk about that movie next week. But this escapism of aliens, it 335 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,880 is very blockbuster centric and almost campy and how much you 336 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,480 know, you know, these characters are going to die. 337 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,840 There's like a meta irony when you're watching and then the 338 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,800 nihilism of alien three that like everything's cold, 339 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,200 everything's dead. This plan, it's like, you know, 340 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,600 being laid to waste, everyone's being exploited. 341 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,480 And then the self-destructive energy of Alien Covenant is 342 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,200 that's the movie that I thought when Alien Romulus was at its 343 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,920 best, it was getting close to Alien Covenant. 344 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,599 And I think, yeah, people forget because the Alien Covenant, it 345 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,160 was like seven or eight years ago now. 346 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,520 We just watched it a couple nights ago, that when people are 347 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,240 like, we need a brutal alien movie. 348 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,079 It's been so long, someone. Gets their jaw taken. 349 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,880 Out, I mean guys like the spine burster, the chin burster or 350 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,800 mouth burst or whatever. Like it is insane. 351 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,920 There's a few set pieces in that movie that feels like the way 352 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,359 that people are expecting the Fete Alvarez Alien movie. 353 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,600 Like Scott already did that in Covenant. 354 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,760 You know what I mean? That movie's darkest shit 355 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,760 visually, and I think people just maybe forget because they 356 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,000 were so low on the Prometheus vibe of what Alien Covenant was 357 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,080 trying to do. Sure. 358 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,040 Yeah. I think like, before we get into 359 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,640 spoilers, I'll give people a sell of what I did like and then 360 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,480 some things that I didn't for the reason that that you were 361 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:50,760 just talking about. I guess since you were just 362 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:51,760 talking about what you didn't like. 363 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,200 I'll start there. I I think that this movie is 364 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,080 very much a monster movie, a haunted house, kind of like 365 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,160 don't breathe movie, right? That Feta Alvarez is like 366 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,760 bringing to this universe, which I think is interesting. 367 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,640 But again, I just personally don't really care about kids in 368 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,080 space in a a traditional horror movie or like an Evil Dead kind 369 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,520 of set because I don't care if if you don't make me make me 370 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,280 care about the kids or the characters. 371 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,240 It's certainly unique. It feels kind of like you 372 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,480 haven't. Seen 20 somethings in space with 373 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:26,800 xenomorph before. Right. 374 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,360 But it feels like, you know, you could do it in a, a way where 375 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:32,360 there are stakes. And of course, like, you know, 376 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:33,800 people who are listening to this, who have seen it, they're 377 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,200 like, there are stakes, you know, like they need to get off 378 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,000 the planet. OK. 379 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:40,600 But we don't really get to know any of the characters very well. 380 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,360 Or I there was a particular death that happened and I 381 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:46,360 literally thought to myself, I wish I cared. 382 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:51,440 Like I it's not the the reason that a monster movie is 383 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,080 interesting in like Covenant is because I really care about 384 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,200 those characters and even if I don't like them, I think they're 385 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,480 interesting. Like I think especially the 386 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,880 married couple kind of approach, right? 387 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,720 And them having like interest for their partner but also the 388 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,880 mission. It's a great moral conflict. 389 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,720 You have self-interest in your partner, but have this 390 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,400 collective mission as a ship going to colonize. 391 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,720 Right. And who are are we going to have 392 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,760 a like this collective responsibility for the people on 393 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,400 our ship? Are we just going to do this 394 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,280 like for us? And you have this menacing David 395 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,160 presence over the whole movie. Like that movie is a monster 396 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,440 movie to me. It covenant, but it does it 397 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,720 successfully because I care about the characters who are 398 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,040 getting killed by that monster. And unfortunately, besides like 399 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:43,280 maybe one or two characters and maybe just one character, I 400 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,440 don't really care. And I know that the people are 401 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,640 going to be killed because of the kind of more traditional, 402 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:53,080 like teen, right, you know, horror trope of it all. 403 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:53,640 Right. Yeah. 404 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,920 The, the person who's pregnant, the person who's being an 405 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,720 asshole, right, The two people who are in a relationship. 406 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,600 It also broke up for, you know, ambiguous reasons that are still 407 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:03,840 not clear after seeing the movie. 408 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,360 Yeah, I think what some listeners who like Romulus might 409 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:10,520 be thinking, and, and I maybe can speak to those people for a 410 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,200 second, is, well, you're not talking about Romulus, you're 411 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,520 comparing it to a bunch of other Alien movies. 412 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,480 And I would say that's fair normally as a criticism of our 413 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,040 criticism. But if you watch this movie and 414 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,440 you've seen the Alien franchise, then I think you have to walk 415 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,680 away from this at the very least being like, I had a fun time. 416 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,880 It was entertaining and moments. But you have to like locate that 417 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,800 this movie is struggling with an identity. 418 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,960 It's struggling to have a vision because there's not a ton of 419 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,080 originality here outside of a few set pieces that are cool and 420 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,840 we can get to those. But I do think weirdly, even 421 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,000 though this movie did a good job in its budget for only being 422 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,920 like $80 million, and now it's probably going to make, you 423 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,040 know, well over 200 the next few weeks, which is great. 424 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Happy for the franchise, but I really felt it lacked 425 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:56,320 originality. You know, I really felt like it 426 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,440 was pulling a lot from lore of all the other movies and if it 427 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,840 had any ideas, it was playing with ideas that other movies 428 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,120 like it was alluding to past films ideas. 429 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:10,360 Yeah, but in in it was like, there are movies that I don't 430 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:14,360 love in the Alien franchise, but I at least respect the swing, 431 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,880 right? Like there's an ambition to a 432 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,640 lot of. Pictures Alien Three comes to 433 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,200 mind where he's like, you know, we're going to do something 434 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,760 crazy with Rip with Ripley at the end of this. 435 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,760 Movie right, but this movie feels pure fan service like in 436 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,400 the choices that it makes and it it just feels cheap like in that 437 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,920 aspect and then because again like the aspect of not caring 438 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,120 about the characters as much for me and then and then just having 439 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:43,440 set pieces I I really like the set pieces like more than Trey. 440 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,280 I also am in like this place with my surgery of like when I 441 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,160 go to the movies 'cause I can't go to the movies that much or 442 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,880 like I need Trey to drive me places. 443 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,480 I'm like, I'm happy to be here. You know what I mean? 444 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,440 I'm. I'm just happy to see something. 445 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,400 On the screen, I have some snacks, you know, so I'm a 446 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,120 little bit more positive on everything than Dre probably 447 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,440 right now. But I do think that the set 448 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,760 pieces were really interesting and really cool. 449 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,080 Like they were things that will stay in my memory from the Alien 450 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,640 franchise. I just wish that I cared about 451 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,080 the characters going through those set pieces and then I 452 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,960 would be like, whoa, that movie was great. 453 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,760 But I think just relying on the set pieces, which we will talk 454 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,240 about in detail, like there were some really cool ones and cool 455 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:33,600 images to really beef up certain parts of the story or alien 456 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,920 iconography, it just still felt like I couldn't get there 457 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,360 ultimately. Yeah, totally. 458 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:39,440 I get it. All right. 459 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,600 So quick timeline Alien Romulus takes place between Ridley 460 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,120 Scott's Alien and James Camerons Aliens. 461 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,040 I think there's about 20 years separating those two movies in 462 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,880 the Alien timeline. So really, like Romulus takes 463 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,080 place like a decade after Ellen Ripley's event on the Nostromo. 464 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,960 If anybody's interested in the Blade Runner of it all, Ridley 465 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,360 Scott has confirmed multiple times at this point. 466 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,960 And, you know, supplemental features on movies but also in 467 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,320 interviews that Blade Runner is in fact, in the universe of 468 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,800 Alien. And if you really want to, you 469 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,360 know, check for evidence in the films, there is iconography 470 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:17,320 across Blade Runner and the Alien films that proves that 471 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,920 these movies are in the same world or in the same universe, 472 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,320 which is fascinating. So that means that Blade Runner, 473 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,240 the Ridley Scott film, the Dini Villeneuve film, Blader under 474 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,960 2049, obviously Prometheus and Covenant are all prequels to the 475 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,480 original Alien and therefore kind of prequels to Alien 476 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,240 Romulus, right? Or at least like legacy 477 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,720 prequels. Like, they're not narrative 478 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,160 prequels, if you will, but they are within the same universe, 479 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:44,160 which does help build context for what these movies do in the 480 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,400 future. And I think it's helpful to 481 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,520 think about them in that way. Yeah, well, I think, you know, 482 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,120 when you're going into Romulus, you're going with the 483 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:56,000 expectations of what you've seen in those movies and in, you 484 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,240 know, some sense it's obviously obvious, probably daunting to a 485 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,280 a film maker. And so I try not to be too 486 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,880 harsh, but because it did feel like there was like a lack of 487 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,320 the ideas that were in those prequels and it felt more like 488 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,720 the like, well, I guess what is its sequels, you know, of like 489 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,160 Alien then? And also you like are playing 490 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:26,800 with the imagery and details of those prequels, but only as a 491 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,360 fan service way. Again, not Yeah. 492 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,880 Like that felt really sad. I was it. 493 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,240 Was sad. Yeah, I was sad watching this 494 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,800 movie. I guess let's get into spoilers. 495 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,920 A huge spoiler warning for the rest of the podcast. 496 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,320 If you even seen this movie, go support it so we can see David 497 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,080 play the flute again. Once, once again on. 498 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,200 The screen once again. Yeah, this movie, I got 499 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,960 depressed watching it like halfway through. 500 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,440 I know that's dramatic. I know it's hyperbolic. 501 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,000 By by the end of the film, I was like, fuck this movie. 502 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,520 And I say that as a fan, not as like a movie critic or whatever 503 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,680 the hell we do here. I'm not saying it from like my 504 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,680 movie head. I'm saying it from like as a as 505 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,120 a kid who grew up being inspired by movies through films like 506 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,680 Alien and then, you know, in my high school years with 507 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,200 Prometheus, to see this movie do what it does with the imagery of 508 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,320 those two films specifically, you know, with the Xenomorph, 509 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,080 obviously the original one from the Nostromo and then the 510 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,560 Engineer in the black goo. I was like, are you serious? 511 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,400 Yeah, the Prometheus stuff was off putting. 512 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,440 So let's get into it. All right, so this movie opens 513 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,200 up with an Alien Three opener with 20th Century Studios and 514 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,920 maybe listeners. You can check that out on 515 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:40,120 YouTube in between this episode. But it was so cool, so sick. 516 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,400 You didn't do it with me. Well, I didn't really. 517 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,160 I didn't know exactly. I contacted you the whole time. 518 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,240 I didn't know if you're gonna do the whole like 2. 519 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,040 There was only two. Of them, but I love the I love 520 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,240 the glitch, you know I'm I really love anytime a studio 521 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,280 basically takes the theme and turns it into their logo. 522 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,000 It's so dope. So we get a shot of space and 523 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,680 it's silent and I was convinced something was wrong with our 524 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,280 sound in the theater. I was pissed. 525 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,240 I was like, Oh no, this is a big time where this is like opening 526 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,680 night of the Alien film and I haven't seen one of these in 527 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,320 like 7 or eight years. And then we spot in the middle 528 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,000 of space A ship slowly coming into our vision that was like 529 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,120 almost, it was like hiding in the vastness of space and the 530 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,800 stars we were looking at. And immediately I was like, wow, 531 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,760 original imagery, original tone and vibe and the cutting out of 532 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,440 sound and then seeing the camera pan into the ship through the 533 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,720 windows and then seeing the ship turn on and getting all those 534 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,960 like cutaways to different parts of the ship turning on. 535 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,800 We have those yellow, orange hued, you know, the controlled 536 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,360 center, all the buttons are going off. 537 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,120 We see the mother. I think it was just so 538 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,040 satisfying. Like the original Alien has such 539 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,360 incredible sound design of computer noises going off. 540 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,040 And I was like, wow, immediately, Feta Alvarez, this 541 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,040 is your franchise. Like this is your movie. 542 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,680 You understood the assignment. You established a vibe 543 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,640 immediately in an atmosphere. Immediately. 544 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,160 I was so thankful. Everything was tactile, 545 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,000 industrial, real. I was like, here we go. 546 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,840 Claustrophobia, class commentaries. 547 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,200 We're probably going to get right into it. 548 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,760 And I was I was convinced that after we saw this opening, the 549 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,440 first few minutes that we were going to open to Kaylee Spainy 550 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,040 sleeping on the ship because of my mind, I was like, this is 551 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,560 going to be a nightmare fun house from a film maker who 552 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,960 loves Alien, who Ridley Scott is like promoting, you know what I 553 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,000 mean? And instead what we see, and 554 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,880 this is where I I felt like I went from elevating from my seat 555 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,880 to crashing down to the ground. Through the ground. 556 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,840 We see a xenomorph like rock, you know. 557 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,040 Correct me if I'm wrong here. Floating in space. 558 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,680 Freeze dried Xenomorph. Yeah, somehow the ship takes it 559 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,800 in. And much like Emperor Palpatine 560 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,440 in the Rise of the Skywalker movie, where he returns somehow 561 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,280 like the originals, you know, more from the Nostromo has 562 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,440 returned. You know what I mean? 563 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,840 And I literally was like, this is not going to be good. 564 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,000 I can understand some people being like, that's kind of sick. 565 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,080 They're using the same character from the original alien. 566 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,880 For me, I was like, that's the one thing I didn't want you to 567 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,000 do. I didn't want you to touch past 568 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,560 characters. Because everyone's talking about 569 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,320 how like Ash has returned as Rook. 570 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,600 To me, that wasn't even the most like questionable narrative 571 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,480 choice they made. Maybe like CGI and all that 572 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,680 stuff. We can get into that later. 573 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,640 But the question, the most questionable narrative choice of 574 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,440 this movie was to bring back the slasher from the original film 575 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,520 from space, where it made me feel like I was watching Jason 576 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,160 Goes to Space like Jason Voorhees or like Michael Myers 577 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,560 movie, You know what I mean? Does that make sense? 578 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,400 So what was, how was, what were you feeling, 'cause I'm, I'm 579 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,000 talking about this movie at the beginning, like I was going to 580 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,320 love this film that I immediately went to being so 581 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,280 skeptical of it. I was happy to be there. 582 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,480 I no, no, I, I feel like, I think the space sequence is 583 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,960 something that I'm used to seeing in an Alien movie, like 584 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,560 feeling like we are really just establishing that we are in this 585 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,000 different world. And then when we saw the kind of 586 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:07,440 almost like Jurassic Park, right vibe of taking this alien from 587 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,240 space and we see the the kind of mold right of it. 588 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,640 And it feels like these scientists are within the 589 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,880 Jurassic Park world of like, maybe discovering something but 590 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,680 not knowing the power of it. Like I I was just kind of 591 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,000 consuming it like that. I didn't have a problem with 592 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,600 them bringing back the previous Xenomorph, like the one that was 593 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,600 shot from the airlock. I was just like, OK, this is 594 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,280 something that is going to restart the story. 595 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,360 So we're obviously going to get into the Alien very quick that 596 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,480 that was my first take, but we didn't totally, but I didn't 597 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,760 have as much of an issue with it. 598 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,400 I was just like, OK, this is just a part of us getting into 599 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,920 the story quicker. And I still gave it room, OK, to 600 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,480 to make its own story. And when we then cut to like the 601 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:09,040 Disney set of right, this planet where Kaylee Spaney is on, I was 602 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,000 like, like, interesting. It felt so just like a Disney 603 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,080 set, right? It felt like what you see on the 604 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,600 Star Wars TV shows. It felt like how we watched the 605 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,800 trailer for a Marvel movie before this and it felt like, 606 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,320 why does it feel like everything Disney's making in terms of a 607 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,920 superhero or sci-fi feels like made for TV? 608 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,840 Like it just feels like I'm looking at plastic. 609 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,160 I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah. 610 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,360 Because I'm realizing right away we still have like an hour left 611 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,680 at this episode that we are having. 612 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,400 We have completely different vibes right now. 613 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,800 I'm just going to say that like, I'm going to be more extra about 614 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,080 not liking this movie. That's very clear from your 615 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,120 reaction to being like, I was fine with the Xenomorph. 616 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,280 I took that seriously. Like I was going to throw hands 617 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,400 with whoever decided to do that. Yeah. 618 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,840 OK. Before we jump in the Kaylee 619 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,360 Spanny of it all, I think my last point about the whole 620 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,240 Xenomorph thing, maybe what amplified my frustration with it 621 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,880 was that they like took black goo out of it. 622 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,560 OK, and then made the black goo. The ambiguous kind of like this 623 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,600 power of life and death from Prometheus and and Covenant 624 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,640 seems so basic. It's just inside all the 625 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,640 xenomorphs. Or you can recreate it whatever 626 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,240 the hell they did in the lab at the end of the movie. 627 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,360 Yeah, the lab felt cheesy. Like it felt like a Disney movie 628 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,480 or something like when we were growing up, like Disney 629 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,120 original, like movies. I mean, I don't know that harsh, 630 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,600 but like it did feel like here is black goo and here the 631 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,560 experiments we're doing. Like it just felt like to ABC, 632 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,600 you know? So we went home and rewatched 633 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,760 Prometheus after seeing Romulus. And the first thing that I 634 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,960 pointed out when we see the Engineer take the black goo and 635 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,360 basically make life on Earth, I think it's what we're watching 636 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,800 at the beginning of Prometheus. Yeah. 637 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,840 I thought, wow, Like Damon, Damon Lindelof and John Spates, 638 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,800 who would later become the writer of Deneval Nov's Dune, 639 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,200 who wrote the Prometheus screenplay, who wrote it with 640 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,680 apparently Ridley Scott, like, drinking wine and smoking 641 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,720 cigars, yelling things at them. That's what they said to put 642 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,680 things in the script. And I watched Prometheus 643 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,560 thinking, wow, this is how you make a sequel. 644 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,920 Like, people, people hate Ridley Scott, right? 645 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,760 Or you just like them. Fine. 646 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,200 More like a prequel you mean? Yeah, I'm a prequel sequel, a 647 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040 prequel sequel. And one thing I think you have 648 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,320 to give Ridley Scott credit for is that he could have easily 649 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,400 done what we saw in Romulus back in 2012 with Prometheus, right? 650 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,720 But instead he takes old IP and he's like, I'm, I'm going even 651 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,080 bigger, we're going even greater. 652 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,040 We're going crazier. Just ambitious and bold. 653 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,720 I just want to remind people about that because it was so 654 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,200 easy to just bring back Palpatine, the xenomorph, if you 655 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,200 will. You know what I mean? 656 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,760 It's just the most basic thing you can do, isn't it? 657 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,920 It's kind of basic screen writing. 658 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,440 Anyways, we can get to the. Most basic thing that you can do 659 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,520 is just like continuously only use like things that we've seen 660 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,800 before and then make them into new set pieces. 661 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,720 I know there is obviously a different monster at the end, 662 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,960 but it just felt so cheap and like the fourth act, similar to 663 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,240 how I, you know, feel about the emotional connection I have to 664 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,600 the excitement of the fourth act of Aliens. 665 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,920 Like, I actually think Aliens is really fun. 666 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,720 I love seeing like the Nest. I think there's a lot of cool 667 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,560 elements to that. But I lose a lot of steam once 668 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,040 we get back on that ship and she has to like, fight Queen. 669 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,080 Mother. The 4th act. 670 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,800 Yeah. Which Romulus has a fourth act 671 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,640 problem as well. Unless you like the movie, then 672 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,800 it doesn't. OK, so basically we learned that 673 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,720 a Wayland Yutani probe investigated the, I guess, 674 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,920 wreckage of the Nostromo, It collected the Xenomorph, and it 675 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,040 brought it back for testing. We cut to our lead character, 676 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,320 Rain, who's sleeping. That's played by Kaylee Spain. 677 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,960 What did you think about Kaylee Spainey in this film? 678 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680 Because obviously she's had a pretty big year and a half with 679 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,320 Priscilla and then she had Civil War and now she has this movie. 680 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,800 What do you think about this performance? 681 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,160 Yeah, I mean, I, I think that I really liked her and Priscilla, 682 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:04,160 and I liked her OK In Civil War, I think there was a lot of just 683 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,600 conflict for me, like watching the acting and the writing, 684 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,600 because I felt like their lines were strange. 685 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,639 And I even with like Kirsten Dunst or something like I felt 686 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,480 the acting because the lines didn't feel like authentic. 687 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,920 Yeah, I felt a little forced. Yeah, and so that was just like 688 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,679 the nature of that movie. But Kaylee Spaney in this role, 689 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:28,840 while I like when she was cast, I was like cool because I liked 690 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,000 the subtle things that she was able to do in terms of 691 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,360 portraying emotion, but not really having to say much in a 692 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,760 movie. Like Priscilla didn't totally 693 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,600 translate here for me. And that has to do with all the 694 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,719 writing. For all the characters, yeah. 695 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,560 Frankly, for all the characters, David Johnson. 696 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,120 Doing what he can with the Android and a really, you know. 697 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,920 Cool, even though he's the best part of this movie. 698 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,480 Yeah. Yeah, he brings a new element to 699 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,520 androids, which is hard to do because we've seen some of the 700 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,840 best actors play right synthetic figures, and it does a good job. 701 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,560 But there's like a line in particular that Kaylee Spaney 702 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,720 says at the very beginning where I was like, oh, no. 703 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,840 She says something like, so is this wait, is it going to work, 704 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,880 this plan of yours? And it's like looking down. 705 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,280 And I was like, that's just so. Tough. 706 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,120 Is that when she goes to look at the bird in the cage outside on 707 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,360 the on the planet? I forget it's before they leave 708 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,400 the planet. Yeah, I think we're talking 709 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,920 about the same sequence. Yeah, but it was just tough 710 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,680 because I was introduced to this world and it felt so artificial. 711 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,760 And I also felt like all the teens I was meeting felt like 712 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,840 they did not know each other, right? 713 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,200 Like, it was a lot of tough things. 714 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,920 I think it's the writing in the direction because that was true 715 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,800 and Evil Dead. I just rewatched Evil Dead about 716 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,600 a week ago, and all the set pieces in gore was a lot, very 717 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,280 excessive, very hyper violent, which some people love that 718 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,840 stuff. I'm fine with it, I guess. 719 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,880 Don't love it if there's not a really serious idea attached to 720 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,840 it. And I think there was some stuff 721 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,360 about like sobriety and addiction, but the acting in the 722 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,320 character work was really tough. Yeah. 723 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,600 And the writing was really poor. And I think that was felt here 724 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,160 as well with the characters, the lack of development, but even 725 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,080 the dialogue between characters. Yeah. 726 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,520 So yeah, I thought she was fine. I thought she was OK in Civil 727 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,560 War. I think she was a little better 728 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,840 in Civil War, but she got a little bit more to do or to be 729 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,640 like a little bit more emotionally expressive in that 730 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,200 film. She got to just be a more 731 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,240 layered character in this movie. I don't really know anything out 732 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,000 about Rain. I don't think I would have 733 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,560 remembered the name Rain if I didn't prep for this episode. 734 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,960 I Yeah, I didn't know her name when we left it. 735 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,000 Like I didn't know anyone's name when I left the movie. 736 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,040 Yeah, but I mean I. Guess Andy, but just because 737 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,920 like Toy Story, that's what I thought about a lot. 738 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,560 Yeah, and Andy was said so much, but I do think like, you know, 739 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,120 to be fair, I don't remember all the crew members names in every 740 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,360 other Alien movie, but I remember like that guy. 741 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,520 I'm like, you know, like that guy in that scene, you know, you 742 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,560 you remember the even smaller character actors. 743 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,080 And of course that comes with like rewatching and everything 744 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,240 like that. But I think just the the nature 745 00:36:54,240 --> 00:37:00,480 of having kind of like young people play like immature 746 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,880 characters in a sense, especially, you know, with the 747 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,200 like the trope of the asshole, right teen like those felt so 748 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,160 forced and I just I like couldn't, I couldn't connect, 749 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,600 you know what I mean? Me too, at all. 750 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,200 So we're introduced to our lead character, Rain, on a mining 751 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,400 colony, and we learned she is an orphan, I believe, as her 752 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,960 parents died from exposure to some kind of toxin in a mining 753 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200 incident. And the movie makes the 754 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,320 franchise's class commentary on this kind of like, evolution of 755 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,920 indentured servitude more on the surface than I've ever seen 756 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,720 previously. It feels very much on the 757 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:41,080 surface and in your face. It's like people are mean to 758 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,440 lower class workers in this movie, like blue collar workers, 759 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,360 like they are being exploited. I kept feeling at the beginning 760 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,880 of this movie, like, even the woman who works like the HR, you 761 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,240 know, situation, she seemed so almost like, cartoonishly 762 00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:56,360 indifferent. Yeah. 763 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,720 Does that make sense? Yeah. 764 00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:59,720 And it's like there's like, grime everywhere and there's 765 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:01,880 smoke everywhere and everyone's, like, in poverty. 766 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,800 But it all feels like a set. It all feels like artificial. 767 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,040 And I don't. I didn't really believe in the 768 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,600 situation they were coming from that they need to leave it. 769 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,200 Right. I mean, I think that it is 770 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,400 interesting to include, you know, aspects that we've seen of 771 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,520 the alien world of like exploitation and labor, but and 772 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,920 that's it's done like through obviously the person telling her 773 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,520 like actually the the work just changed. 774 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,960 And so like, you can't go to this planet. 775 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:32,840 They're going to obviously like keep keep increasing the number 776 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,880 or hours that need to be worked in order for them to even leave. 777 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,680 And we get the sense very quickly like that everyone is 778 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,080 going to be trapped on this planet working for this company 779 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,440 in debt essentially right to the company for their entire lives. 780 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,280 And so, you know, I think that part is interesting, but when 781 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,400 that's like, really the only class kind of thing that you put 782 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,840 right at the front of your movie. 783 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,600 Yeah. And then you kind of get away 784 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,360 from besides the teens trying to escape, and you understand why 785 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,440 they're trying to escape because it's been done so well in other 786 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,200 Alien movies. It's just kind of unconvincing 787 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,160 and kind of too transparent and feels like a Disney movie then. 788 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,640 Yeah, well, it it. Is well, it is a Disney movie. 789 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,920 Yeah, but if you look at it in a vacuum, even outside the Alien 790 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,440 movies, it was pretty cheesy. The way it was handled like. 791 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,160 It wasn't handled with a lot of like, I don't know, gravitas. 792 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,520 Yeah. Like it didn't feel like it was 793 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,280 actually kind of caring about the people who are exploited as 794 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,640 a theme. It just felt like this is a part 795 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,320 of the plot that we need to show. 796 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,840 So you understand why these teenagers need to get off of 797 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,800 this planet. And I, I mean, I do think that 798 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,640 there were some components of the performances and of the 799 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,920 writing at the very beginning of talking about how, you know, 800 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,520 they don't want to die here like their parents. 801 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,960 Like I was like, OK, you know, I started to get invested in their 802 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,400 their kind of mission there. And then the camera pans to a 803 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,960 bird stuck in a cage and I'm like Oh my God, facepalm. 804 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:03,000 Yeah, it just it. But even like watching the the 805 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,960 miners who were walking across and the kind of. 806 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,840 I guess it felt like a cheesy Blade Runner set. 807 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,880 So let's talk about that. What do you think it is about 808 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,640 the sets that make it look like? That it's the shapes and it's so 809 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,000 it's one the shapes of it. I think that they show too much 810 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,240 of the walls. I think we aren't in a clock so 811 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:26,200 big enough. Yeah, you see almost like all 812 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,360 the angles of it where it's very clear even like when they're 813 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,520 going up to the ship, when they actually dock with the ship 814 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:39,080 that's in their orbit. That also feels like this is a 815 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,080 practical, practical set, not in an interesting way. 816 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,240 Like it feels like straight up like a Lego. 817 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,160 Or something. When they're on Jackson Star of 818 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,600 the Planet. I think I agree with you. 819 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,040 It looks pretty awful when they're on the spaceship or 820 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:57,960 going to space. Looks amazing. 821 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:58,960 Yeah, when they're seeing the ring. 822 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,840 Yeah, when they see the visual effect. 823 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,440 Like lava or orange. Yeah, that's credible stuff the 824 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,760 the ring within the franchise. Iconic imagery, Yeah. 825 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,000 The iceberg's on the ring. Yeah, so cool. 826 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,680 And in the ship, I think everything looks pretty tactile 827 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,840 and good. But I do agree that everything 828 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,480 on the planet, there's something, maybe you're right in 829 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,640 terms of like the medium shots that they're using where you're 830 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,040 getting too much of the world you're in and you can feel the 831 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,560 artifice of it, or at least we did. 832 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,920 And also there's something with the lighting. 833 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,920 It's in Star Wars TV shows, It's in Marvel TV shows. 834 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,800 We just saw the new Captain America trailer, which I'm 835 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,320 excited for because I'm excited that character gets his own 836 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,280 movie and Harrison Ford's in it, which is interesting. 837 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,360 And yeah, that's dope. I'll, I'll be there opening 838 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,760 night for sure. And I haven't seen a Marvel 839 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,240 movie opening night in a long time. 840 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,480 But that movie even kind of felt like ATV film. 841 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,520 Yeah. It felt like the TV series of 842 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,080 Disney. And I'm like, what is going on 843 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,240 with Disney production, Disney Studios to make all these movies 844 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,920 look so like, bad, like it like, I don't know if it's the digital 845 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,360 photography. I don't know if it's the color 846 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,800 palette. I I don't know if it's the 847 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,800 studio lighting and getting away from natural. 848 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,760 Why become a monopoly? You know what I mean? 849 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,160 Yeah. Why do all that work and become 850 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,400 Waylon Utani if you're not going to try to make David? 851 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,800 You know what I mean? Like give us David. 852 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,600 But to your point, I think once we get inside the ship, like 853 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:15,760 once we have a lot of those fun set pieces that looks good, like 854 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,520 elevator stuff, gravity stuff, we'll get into the lab. 855 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,200 Those are cool. There are some really cool 856 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,720 sequences of the face huggers that I liked. 857 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:28,720 So yeah. But yes, we'll we'll talk about 858 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,240 all that. I I think as soon as they leave 859 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:31,640 the planet, I go, this movie looks good. 860 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,520 Yeah, it's just the planet took me out of it. 861 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,320 So we meet Andy, who is they call Andy basically Rain's 862 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,440 Android brother. They have an odd dynamic. 863 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,680 I think some people think it's sweet. 864 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,440 Some people think it's it's a sympathetic relationship and 865 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,360 it's kind of nice. I don't know if this movie 866 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,480 totally knows what to do with the concept of how to treat the 867 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,480 Android as the true xenomorph of the entire Alien franchise, 868 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,840 which is like, you're not supposed to make a sympathetic 869 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,840 figure out of the AI. It's supposed to be the the kind 870 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,560 of the red herring of the xenomorph is that it's just a 871 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,680 creature that is like a parasite, but you're looking at 872 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,080 the Android as actually the corporation personified. 873 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,760 And I'm not sure this movie ever totally gets there. 874 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,640 There's a moment where Andy switches to bad Andy or I'm 875 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,440 like, here we fucking go. This is sick. 876 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,640 And then it goes back to good Andy at the end. 877 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,680 And I don't want to step on that whole conversation right now, 878 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,640 but I just want to note it that this is a character I'm kind of 879 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,880 like back and forth with, but I'm not back and forth with the 880 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:27,920 performance. It's great. 881 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,320 Oh yeah, like David Johnson, we already knew he was great from 882 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,640 watching Industry and one of the great shows. 883 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,840 He really is the reason why I still am like this movie is 884 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,280 something that's worth going to see in theaters because of his 885 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,440 performance. He's an unreadable face. 886 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:51,040 I think using the the term good Andy to bad Andy to good Andy is 887 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,040 basically what the the screenwriters wanted us to get 888 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,840 from that character. And I think that that his like, 889 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,640 arc is really strange if you're looking at it and how you 890 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,960 basically are kind of taught to look at Alien films or what does 891 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,840 the Android represent. And if you're not just taking it 892 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,560 at surface level of, you know, the brother sister relationship, 893 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,760 it's actually a really like cringy storyline for this this 894 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,680 relationship and doesn't actually make much sense within 895 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,760 the Alien universe. And so that was like one of the 896 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,000 most disappointing things when he turns quote, UN quote back to 897 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,120 good Andy, because right then it was like, okay, well, you're 898 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,840 losing. I guess what you kind of wanted 899 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,160 to say right about androids in this universe or. 900 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,120 And I do think the movie, I think the movie was trying, I 901 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,560 mean, it's called Alien Romulus. It's playing with the Alien 902 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,800 Romulus and Remus mythology. The like Roman mythos, like 903 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,920 these other prior films with the Greek mythos that the Prometheus 904 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,960 are playing with or covenant playing with some kind of 905 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,840 religious ideas about the the Ark of the covenant or just 906 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,160 being Noah's ark, you know, the spaceship having all the 907 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,280 colonists on it. Like there is a reason why these 908 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,320 movies are called these, you know, kind of larger than life 909 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,440 titles and playing with mythic storytelling. 910 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,760 And certainly like Fete Alvarez working with Ridley Scott, not 911 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,600 on the screenplay, but just behind the scenes, he had to be 912 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,080 aware of calling this Romulus. And I do think there has to be a 913 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,680 point. I would assume it's which I 914 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,240 don't know if we want to do this right now. 915 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,680 I guess we can wait for Ian Holmes digital digitized Rook 916 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,720 character. But I assume that Alvarez was 917 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,400 like, here's the the bad Android, here's the good 918 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,320 Android. And Romulus has to kill his 919 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,400 brother Remus to take to to liberate himself and and create 920 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,440 an empire, which is Andy in this situation. 921 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,120 He's to kill his brother, which is not bad Andy, but it's 922 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,080 actually Mother. Or a world where androids and 923 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,200 humans can live side by side. Sure, OK. 924 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,720 Like, that's what he's going to do, Sure. 925 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000 That's the goal. And if that is what Fete Alvarez 926 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,560 is going for in this movie? It's weak. 927 00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,960 It's not not just weak. Weird. 928 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:04,280 Also weird just because of the power dynamics with Kaylee 929 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,200 Spanie's character and David Johnson's character. 930 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,240 Like so yeah. So OK, I I thought like with 931 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,360 Remus and Romiel, I didn't totally get the two AI story, 932 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,280 but that does make a lot more sense now of having that that be 933 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:25,640 like this, you know, building on previous lore of androids being 934 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:28,520 the bad right, or being the villain that represent the 935 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,160 company and then having a kind of Android to challenge that. 936 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,720 I guess that makes sense. It's not very interesting if I 937 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,680 mean, you could make it interesting, but how it's kind 938 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,880 of laid out here. It does feel more so in the 939 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,920 superhero universe of using good and evil tropes and not like, 940 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,160 you know, do you know what I mean? 941 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,440 Like having a comment about the. More Star Wars, Binary, Rise of 942 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,600 Skywalker. Good versus evil, for sure. 943 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,120 I think, yeah. I think the goal, though, just 944 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,880 not to not forget, is Andy and Rain basically want to go to 945 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,680 Vaga. Vaga, I think it's what it's 946 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,120 called. I don't know, some planet where 947 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,000 Whalen Utani apparently is prohibited from colonizing. 948 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,120 I think what Ridley Scott and we can talk about this at the end 949 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,120 before we go in terms of ideas for the future of this 950 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,000 franchise. I think what he wants to do is 951 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,640 have David fuck up Andy like that's that's how I'm treating 952 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,760 this movie, which is like this illusion that there can be a 953 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,720 good, you know, Android and David is that would. 954 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,880 Be an interesting Romulus Romulus remix. 955 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,400 Yes, exactly. Like, OK, so I guess to put it 956 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,360 in perspective with Covenant, it also is doing something very 957 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,120 similar where it is a monster movie, but we have Walter and 958 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,760 David going at it and it their conversations are very 959 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:45,240 interesting and Walter's decisions or hesitancy sometimes 960 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,840 is interesting. And you don't get that here as 961 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:56,000 much because you have such a kind of simple relationship 962 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:03,560 between Andy and Rain, right? Verse you feel like Walter is 963 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,200 more, it's more like interesting in the questions, I guess, that 964 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,920 are being asked in the scenes that they share. 965 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,720 Verse like trying to get the alien off the ship for the 966 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,280 company that we've seen before in Aliens. 967 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,120 Right. Yeah, Yeah, I, I think that's 968 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,600 ultimately what he's planning on doing. 969 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,360 He's trying to go back to that. I would assume that's the only 970 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,640 reason I can see why Ridley Scott's name is on this movie. 971 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,040 And we'll, again, we'll get to that at the end. 972 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,640 So Rain's contract is unexpectedly extended for 973 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,200 another, I think half decade or so, and Andy is getting beat up. 974 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,360 It reminded me of monsters when they were in that that space 975 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,200 too. And the kids are beating Andy 976 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,240 up. And I think that starts the 977 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,120 theme of like technophobia, like Android phobia that this movie 978 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:46,720 is trying to. Right. 979 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,880 They're like little kids beating up Andy. 980 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,440 Yeah, 'cause he's an Android, I assume, and then I think they're 981 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,800 supposed to be like a racial subtext. 982 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,000 But I don't even know if this movie deserves that kind of 983 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,440 reading 'cause it doesn't actually develop those ideas 984 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,400 very much. No, outside of like they're 985 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,920 trying to say that Rain is a a slave to the state and they're 986 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,960 also trying to like provoke this Andy conversation with him 987 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,200 having a realization from his brother, who is the Ian home 988 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,200 digital recreation of Rook that, you know, you are also the slave 989 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,760 of rain and they never fully realize that. 990 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,400 And that's not really it's it's not fully realized. 991 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,080 And it's also kind of like, if you go too deep into that 992 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,320 conversation, I think the movie actually becomes weirdly 993 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,520 problematic because of how the film ends. 994 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,080 Well, yeah. Well, I think we should just 995 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,760 talk about that now really quick because basically we have the 996 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,760 relationship between Rain and Andy, where they're brother and 997 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,560 sister. And Andy's whole directive is to 998 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,240 take care of Rain. And so she is we're we're 999 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,640 supposed to kind of be introduced to her as like a kid 1000 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,560 who doesn't really like, doesn't really know how important Andy 1001 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,760 is in her life, if that makes sense, But still, like really 1002 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,840 wants to take care of him. Lost her parents when she was 1003 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,080 really young, yeah. And so, like, that is her only 1004 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,280 family. She also, though, is willing to 1005 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:07,440 we learn D what was it called? Like not continue him, 1006 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,360 decontinue him right. Once. 1007 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,120 OK, yeah, once they get to the planet. 1008 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,480 So basically she she sees him as like an Android and will kill 1009 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,680 him when she gets to this new planet because they don't, I 1010 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,720 guess, have like artificial people on the planet. 1011 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:25,880 So she's obviously upset about it. 1012 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,280 It's supposed to be conflict emotionally for this particular 1013 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,960 character. But even at the very early 1014 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,320 stages, once you learn that he he has a mission to protect her 1015 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,200 and do everything for like that is in her best interest there. 1016 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,120 It's already like, OK, yes, I'm I'm seeing a very clear power 1017 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,920 dynamic within these two characters. 1018 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,160 And then it's interesting. It does become interesting when 1019 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,240 we have a shift of the Andy character getting an update, 1020 00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:59,880 right, with this new chip that they need to like unlock certain 1021 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,960 doors from that Ash character who's named Rook. 1022 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,600 But he gets that that kind of like upgrade, right, to be a 1023 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,760 more sentient like thinking. I mean, it's not for himself 1024 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,280 because he's still like for the company. 1025 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,840 Right, Seemingly more agency, but really just is now acting as 1026 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,280 like this managerial, you know, personification of the company, 1027 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,440 right? Because that's really what Ash 1028 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,200 was in the original Alien. He was the low key manager of 1029 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,880 the ship. He knew all the contract stuff. 1030 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,360 He knew making like calculated risks, but ultimately for the 1031 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,920 interest of the company, like when he talks about, you know, 1032 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,880 or when he shuts that door and Kaylee Spaney's character, Rain, 1033 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,200 I keep forgetting her name is like, you could have killed him. 1034 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,200 And he's like, no, like I actually made a calculated 1035 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,120 decision. Like he probably was going to 1036 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,400 make it, but it was better than the last. 1037 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,720 Like we have that kind of idea of him being more in charge, 1038 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,040 right? Like, and that's confusing too, 1039 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,560 because you're starting, because I don't care so much about these 1040 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,080 other characters. I'm starting to then identify 1041 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:09,840 and root for the Android who is then the company because there 1042 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,960 are also like other arguments thrown out there that are 1043 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,240 supposed to like have us asking questions about the androids 1044 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,520 morality or I keep, you know, whatever. 1045 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,040 I said this on Blade Runner 2 Androids, artificial androids 1046 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,880 people. OK, yeah, I just, we can't get 1047 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,280 that. I think they're synthetic 1048 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,920 androids, but guys. Yeah, come on. 1049 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,960 OK, So but for Andy, right, I'm like, wait, why am I finding 1050 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,000 myself on the side of someone who is representing the company? 1051 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,040 Like I shouldn't be doing that, Not in a way where it's like 1052 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,840 interesting that I'm doing that. It's literally because I don't 1053 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,840 care about these other characters. 1054 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,760 And then also they're talking about how this guy who's a 1055 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,680 really annoying character, not in a way where he's supposed to 1056 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,920 be, even though he is supposed to be, but in a way that like 1057 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,040 surpasses that where he's actually just annoying me that 1058 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:58,040 he's in this movie is bullying Andy with a Taser. 1059 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:03,800 Because I guess like, you know, recently Android killed his 1060 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,280 mother, killed three people in the mine to save 12, right. 1061 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,200 And, you know, I said that makes sense. 1062 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,640 You know, like I, I was like. But that's shitty to put the 1063 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,880 world into the world view of that basic ethical dilemma. 1064 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:15,960 Yeah, like, oh, that makes sense. 1065 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,800 I agree with the AI in this situation. 1066 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,920 Yeah, the The thing is, is that I was like. 1067 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,080 Instead of making it like they had, he had to kill the three 1068 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,040 people because this, you know, some kind of product would be 1069 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,040 affected if he didn't, right? That would be exactly some kind 1070 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,760 of money for the company. Exactly. 1071 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,680 And the movie never like realizes that or has that kind 1072 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,840 of second understanding of why the Android who works for the 1073 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,240 company and has a a mission to save the company and to save 1074 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:46,400 whatever products you know, they are are are getting from right 1075 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,240 from their work. And then it just makes it this 1076 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,840 regular kind of trolley dilemma that we often see in a Marvel 1077 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,320 movie or something where it's like, can we actually trust 1078 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,040 this? And it becomes really 1079 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,080 uninteresting really quickly. And so then I'm in a problem in 1080 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,680 the movie where I'm like, I am now rooting for a character that 1081 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,680 I'm not supposed to be rooting for because all these other 1082 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,160 characters are really annoying me. 1083 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,240 And even Rain, I can't, I can't root for her because she 1084 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:19,480 ultimately, yeah, ultimately she is also wanting Andy to go back 1085 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,160 to essentially serving her needs, right. 1086 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,880 And so I can't root for her to be like, Andy, you've changed. 1087 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,040 Like, yeah. But also now. 1088 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:29,840 So. So that's messy. 1089 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,920 And in general, but what they could have done as kind of that 1090 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:38,560 the third step is made some sort of interesting move within Andy 1091 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,480 again to like to be a a juxtaposition or like a foil to 1092 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,800 Rook in a way that was interesting that then again, 1093 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,560 like does what's interesting about the Alien movies was to 1094 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,520 expose something about the company. 1095 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,360 Instead, what it does is it makes Andy like a heroic 1096 00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:01,640 character because after Kaylee, Spaney's character reign changes 1097 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,920 him back to having a. Submissive relationship. 1098 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,960 Yes, exactly the power dynamic that they have and having like 1099 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:15,440 him have his main mission in life to then serve her needs and 1100 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,560 and that's why. She says together or whatever. 1101 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,480 OK, but yeah, yeah, I'm getting I'm getting there. 1102 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,960 But like because then when he's taking off the OR sorry, when 1103 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,960 he's challenging the ash character Rook and and like 1104 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,160 making what we think is the quote UN quote good choice or 1105 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,560 what the screenplay wants us to think of like Andy turning back 1106 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:38,160 to quote UN quote good and then the rain character rewarding him 1107 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,320 for that. And or what we are supposed to 1108 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,920 think is she had a self realization that, wait, why was 1109 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,240 I just having him only protect me? 1110 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:48,360 We should be protecting our ourselves. 1111 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,840 But instead what she says is I'm giving you a new mission, right? 1112 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,520 It's to protect us, right. I was like, what? 1113 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,880 So so then it's not even like, no, you protect you. 1114 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,520 I protect me. And we have like a relationship 1115 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,280 where we can go to this new planet. 1116 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,200 Yeah, there, there's not that, but. 1117 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,400 Even that would be sort of weird. 1118 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,320 It's just weird that they provoke the audience to even 1119 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,120 reflect on that dynamic because ultimately he's a machine. 1120 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,400 And just like the creator a year ago, I don't understand what's 1121 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,720 happening to movies dealing with AI right now that are trying to 1122 00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:25,480 get audiences to sympathize with AI. 1123 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,800 It's a very odd choice in our era. 1124 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,040 Well, yeah, but it's different. I was like, OK, maybe they are 1125 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,000 doing something with like a racial commentary. 1126 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,120 Yeah. They're trying to conflate AI 1127 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,080 with people being othered historically and I think that's 1128 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,880 a a totally like valid idea in a writers room. 1129 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,960 And then someone should shut that shit down. 1130 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,840 Instead you should just have characters who are literally 1131 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,720 othered in the world of Alien. It's not like gender and race 1132 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:58,120 and like social hierarchies and discrimination and like in this 1133 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,200 kind of marginalization of historical identities and 1134 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,000 oppressed identities and marginalized people don't exist 1135 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,240 in the world of alien, right? That's that's what's weird about 1136 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:08,960 this about this idea that they have to like find a new way to 1137 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:12,120 get something to symbolize being othered. 1138 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,240 You don't need to do that. There's woman that exists. 1139 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:15,640 There's people of colour that exist. 1140 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,840 You have them in the periphery of this movie, in fact, who 1141 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,160 don't even really have characters. 1142 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,600 And you're giving us a lead who is a white lead and in a woman, 1143 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,080 a young woman who who normally wouldn't get these kind of like 1144 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,800 huge movies, which is amazing at Kelly Spain. 1145 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,080 He's getting opportunity. But it's weird that this movie 1146 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,360 is trying to be like we're trying to have a metaphor about 1147 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,440 about this this AI being other because of what he. 1148 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,120 Represents like, I think you could do it like, but if you are 1149 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,760 going to make that choice and actually have the movie be about 1150 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,040 that and instead that it does I think veer towards like a 1151 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:54,240 problematic just like rehashing of stereotypes that we've seen 1152 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,040 in Hollywood films. And then I'm like, OK, well 1153 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,720 then. And were they even aware of it 1154 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,160 at the beginning of this movie? Because that was just, yeah, I 1155 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,320 was like, I I'm out on this movie, especially when we get 1156 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,160 there. But I think, you know, David 1157 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,720 Johnson did such a great job. That was the sad. 1158 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,720 I really, yeah, fantastic job. Yeah. 1159 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:18,440 I really like loved seeing the the company, I guess like 1160 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,640 version of him. I just thought he like crushed 1161 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:26,160 that like way of speaking to them in in a way where it was 1162 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,920 something different than David, And that's why I liked it 1163 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,880 because he was almost doing like a sort of Ash or David right 1164 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:38,120 type of character or Walter. But he did this thing where he, 1165 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,480 like David, was a little bit more menacing. 1166 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,920 You're a little afraid of. Yeah, there was a motivation 1167 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,480 behind every word he was saying. Yeah, it, it felt like he he, he 1168 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,720 learned all this, all these things from movies, too, right? 1169 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,240 To like, have dialogue that's cutting. 1170 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,920 Lawrence of Arabia fan. But I kind of like his letterbox 1171 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:55,720 goes crazy. Yeah. 1172 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,360 I like how Andy, though, was kind of saying like, no, of 1173 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,000 course, like, I'm going to do this. 1174 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,000 But it didn't feel like the extra cut from a David 1175 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,640 character. He was doing something 1176 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,480 interesting in his own unique character. 1177 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,240 But it reminded me of a mix between, like a Bishop from 1178 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,280 Aliens, the Lance Hendrix character who was kind of 1179 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,360 submissive to the crew, and being told what to do. 1180 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,520 And he's not happy about it. He just is doing those things 1181 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,360 with not necessarily a smile on his face, but he's like, OK, I 1182 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,440 will do this. Like I will do what's logical. 1183 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,800 Rational, aware of how the humans are exploiting. 1184 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:28,840 Him. Yes, exactly. 1185 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,040 And it reminded me a little bit too then of Walter in terms of 1186 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,800 Walter wanting to be there to protect Katherine Watterson's 1187 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,640 character, for example, in the film. 1188 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,040 And he has an interesting relationship with her after 1189 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,880 after her husband, thankfully James Franco dies in the 1st 5 1190 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,560 minutes. And then also reminded me of 1191 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,040 another Android who doesn't get a lot of love in Alien 1192 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,560 franchise, but Winona Ryder from Alien Resurrection, who plays a 1193 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,480 similar character too. So yeah, he does a great job 1194 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,360 cosign everything you just said. Welcome to the dark side. 1195 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,440 Let's shit on this movie. Just kidding. 1196 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,960 All right, so. I was ready to talk about the 1197 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,560 set piece. We haven't even got to the ship 1198 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,680 yet. So Rain agrees to join her 1199 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,040 ex-boyfriend Tyler, who's played by Archie Renault. 1200 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,080 And I think it's noted that they broke up, so this is the first 1201 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,600 time they've seen each other in a long time. 1202 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,200 She says, sorry about your dad dying, which was a pretty 1203 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,880 awkward conversation in the kitchen. 1204 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,360 And there there seemed to be like, even when Tyler's killed 1205 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,840 later in the film, a great scene. 1206 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,280 I'm excited to shout that one out. 1207 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,960 Yeah. And you know, the the throat 1208 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,640 punch that happens to his face, I wish we'd have held on that 1209 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,360 image a little bit longer. If you're really going to do a 1210 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,440 rated R, you know, horror film like this. 1211 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,000 But they didn't. But it was still a good scene. 1212 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,320 I didn't feel any kind of like cathartic moment. 1213 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,440 Not cathartic, but like any kind of tragedy from that moment. 1214 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,720 Like rain saw that happen You. Didn't feel like another person 1215 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,400 lost someone else. Yeah, not only did I not feel 1216 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,400 anything, it felt like rain didn't really feel anything. 1217 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,680 That's what I mean though. I'm sorry. 1218 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,320 Yeah, I do think that there was an interesting element that I 1219 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,280 did feel at times of this found family obviously and of the 1220 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,960 characters caring about each other, particularly like the 1221 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,920 women on the ship. OK. 1222 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:08,880 But when we go into the ship with the two guy leads and 1223 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,240 sorry, it's OK if I just skip ahead here like. 1224 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,080 Sure. Yeah, we can. 1225 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,440 I mean they have like AI. Just wanted to note that was 1226 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,160 hard to hear. What? 1227 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:16,760 I think all this part of stuff is boring, Yeah. 1228 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,000 That's why it's important. To note it though, this is the 1229 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,200 setup for the movie. The 1st 25 minutes, we'll do it. 1230 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,400 It's just like we meet the ensemble cast. 1231 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,200 No one's well served in the screenplay. 1232 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,720 We meet them all hanging out in a room. 1233 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,120 Andy's playing video games, which is I think a funny shout 1234 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,240 out to like an alien game, I think from the 80s I believe. 1235 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,840 And then they're all talking to each other and I can't 1236 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,600 understand much of anything in this scene, especially from the 1237 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:40,160 character. The. 1238 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:45,200 Character Bjorn Bjorn the accent from Spike Fern is so strong and 1239 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,240 I couldn't tell if I was just a dumb American who couldn't 1240 01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,200 understand what he was saying. And then I logged online and I 1241 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,920 saw most people because I like googled his name, like Bjorn the 1242 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,400 character and most people seem to not really know what he was. 1243 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,360 Saying well. That's what I was going to add. 1244 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,560 It's I think it's less of the the strong accent as much as it 1245 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,480 was the sound mix wasn't quite right. 1246 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,560 And then there's also other moments in the movie where 1247 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,880 there's just bad ADR or I couldn't understand what Kaylee 1248 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,960 Spanie had just said to another character because she's turned 1249 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,480 around and there's just some technical. 1250 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,960 Choices this plan of yours. Yeah, stuff, stuff like that. 1251 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,720 It's just really tough. But yeah, what did I want to say 1252 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,240 about these characters? None of them are really that 1253 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,040 memorable, but they're all trying to, like, basically 1254 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,200 discuss an Ocean's 11 heist plan, right? 1255 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,040 They want to go up to a ship. I guess this is important. 1256 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,600 Because we're, yeah, they need to go up. 1257 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,560 The premise of why they're even doing this? 1258 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,840 Right so there's a ship that has these cryo, you know what are 1259 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:43,800 the cryo cryo sleep chambers. And the only character I wanted 1260 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,480 to note here and we'll get to the other feature characters or 1261 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:47,600 the other characters in the future. 1262 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,640 But the only supporting character I wanted to know who 1263 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,200 was the most fly on the wall of the crew was a character named 1264 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,720 Navarro, who is the pilot of the ship. 1265 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,600 And I believe this is Bjorn's girlfriend or partner. 1266 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,320 And it's the person who gets hit by the 1st facehugger, right? 1267 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,360 The actress's name is Eileen Wu, I believe. 1268 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,240 And they have that character has the least dialogue in the first 1269 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,600 act of everybody and arguably. The most interesting character. 1270 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,160 No, that's what I was gonna say. I thought she brought a capable 1271 01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,560 of the crew. Yeah, there was, like when she 1272 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,400 was like, sitting on the kind of, like, window sill and 1273 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,440 listening to everybody argue about what they were gonna do 1274 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,120 and how they needed Andy to break into the ship above the 1275 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,240 Wayland Utani ship because he had, like, Mother's control 1276 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,360 system or he spoke Mother's language. 1277 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,120 She seemed like strong, stoic, mysterious and really reminded 1278 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,920 me of of the Ellen Ripley figure in the behind the scenes of the 1279 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,000 original Alien film where you don't know she's the main 1280 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,440 character until halfway in the movie. 1281 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,640 And I was thinking, wow, is this going to be like a Veronica 1282 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,480 Cartwright character who gets killed at the end who you kind 1283 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:50,760 of like and get to know a little bit? 1284 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,240 Or is this going to be the secret surprise of the movie 1285 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:54,880 that Kaylee Spaney is going to get killed? 1286 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,720 And then you meet a character in the behind like, you know, a 1287 01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,480 family in the wall character that is actually the bad ass 1288 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,880 leader of the crew. And that doesn't happen. 1289 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,360 She actually maybe is the most interesting looking actor who's 1290 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,840 giving the most without the least to say who gets killed 1291 01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,960 pretty immediately in the film. Unfortunately, I just wanted to 1292 01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,080 shout that actress out because I think they they did a good job. 1293 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,680 And apparently because I I looked up there some interviews, 1294 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,320 apparently they got hired two days before the movie started 1295 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,680 shooting. I don't know what that's about. 1296 01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,160 Could be a variety of things. They could have casted somebody 1297 01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,040 who dropped out. They could have added another. 1298 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,440 Character I just felt like, OK, so here is maybe my I'm just 1299 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,560 locating what made me not connect to the crew here of 1300 01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,080 these teens who are supposed to be like found family. 1301 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:48,240 There are moments with with Navarro and the other woman. 1302 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,920 I don't know her character's name but he was like pregnant. 1303 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,040 Yeah, so. There, there were moments there, 1304 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,640 Wayne. Who was Kaylee Spainey, Andy 1305 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,240 David Johnson, Tyler Archie Renault, Kay Isabella Merced. 1306 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,400 Who was the scream queen of the movie with her famous image of 1307 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,320 her screaming when Navarro has that chest burser. 1308 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,840 OK. And then Spike Fern is Bjorn and 1309 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,400 obviously Navarro. So I so I felt moments when 1310 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,280 Navarro was in the scene with them and I think that's just 1311 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:19,000 like a testament to Eileen Woo's like performance then, right. 1312 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,960 But I felt like the the thing was is I just didn't believe 1313 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,000 that there was like a grit, a grittiness to the other 1314 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,960 characters. Like I didn't feel like I felt 1315 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,920 like she was actually interesting and maybe had seen 1316 01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,120 some shit. Do you know what I mean? 1317 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,400 Like she just the way that she was even like holding her body 1318 01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,120 was like, I am ready for something to happen. 1319 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,680 And the the kind of more like what we see in tradition, 1320 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,960 additional kind of silly horror movies was the kind of body 1321 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,320 language and how it was shot. When I saw Tyler and Bjorn go 1322 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,120 into the ship, I was like, why are we focusing right now on 1323 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,600 like the most boring characters when we're in that ship where it 1324 01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:07,480 feels like like little like boys going into a haunted house, like 1325 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,680 teenage boys going into a haunted house trying to make a 1326 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,120 messing around. Yeah, it felt like AB horror. 1327 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,360 Yeah. B horror characters. 1328 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,720 And so I don't even know, like, if it's totally the performers, 1329 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:22,680 you know, fault because I was so focused on the literally frames 1330 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,720 that felt like AB horror movie. Yeah. 1331 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,240 And then also the lines that they were getting, their 1332 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,400 exchanges felt so juvenile, not in an interesting way. 1333 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,880 I was like, this is just boring. I would get let's get back on 1334 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,040 the ship with the women who are like talking. 1335 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,840 There's only one character scene between multiple characters that 1336 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,760 I enjoyed, which was when Kay gets killed by the Xenomorph and 1337 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,480 the doors closed and Andy won't open it. 1338 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,960 I believed everything in that scene and that's the only moment 1339 01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,160 in the film where I was into the characters and kind of felt 1340 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,960 something from them. I think what you're saying is 1341 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,760 spot on. I don't want it to get 1342 01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,400 misinterpreted as if we needed an All Star cast, no. 1343 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,560 Because I, I enjoy, I think something is a staple of the 1344 01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,440 Alien franchise is having a cast that we don't totally know. 1345 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:06,880 Have a huge relationship too. Yeah, yeah. 1346 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,880 I think one of the most appealing things about casting 1347 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,520 in the Alien universe is that one, the characters in most of 1348 01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,360 the scripts in the Alien universe, maybe people don't 1349 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,880 know this, are to be gender neutral and normal ish looking 1350 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,160 while being very kind of rough around the edges. 1351 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,080 And so the Alien movies go out of their way to try to very 1352 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,920 specifically cast people who are, you know, post young worker 1353 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,560 aged, right? They are almost early 1354 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,080 middle-aged. They're between that kind of 32 1355 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,520 to 45 years old kind of part of their life and they are just 1356 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,240 tired as fuck and like exploited workers. 1357 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,000 And in the original Alien, we have a mining crew. 1358 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,720 So obviously they're very exhausted and they're battered 1359 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,800 down and so is the military, the marines and Aliens. 1360 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,320 A bug hunt, a bug hunt. And you have the kind of like 1361 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,400 tired group of private idiotic scientist or fundamentalist or 1362 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,960 social scientist. And Prometheus, that's the only 1363 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,720 movie where you could argue those people are kind of hot. 1364 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,160 But even like Charlize Theron and Idris Elba in that movie 1365 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,480 look exhausted. Yeah, you know what I mean? 1366 01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,880 And they look like they've been. Through their face, even though 1367 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,880 they're so hot. Good makeup team and so like, 1368 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,800 you know, I there was just something about the character 1369 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,840 choices here from the from the writing to the makeup to I guess 1370 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,160 the performances. And there's a Polish to the 1371 01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,399 characters and I was like, these characters are working on a 1372 01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:25,000 mining like, you know, thing. That's also what felt kind of 1373 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,640 Disney about it as well. Right. 1374 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,200 And I think and I again, I like the idea of doing a young crew. 1375 01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,120 I like the idea of trying to have this like getaway dream 1376 01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,640 before they become their exploited parents and die. 1377 01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,720 And the bird imagery is too much being stuck in a cage and the 1378 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,319 bird shout out to the original aliens. 1379 01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:44,160 That's little toy on the ship. Didn't love that. 1380 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,160 I didn't need it, but I just felt like there was a lot of 1381 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,720 character work absent. I think we're on the same page 1382 01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,200 here. It's just too bad because 1383 01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:52,920 there's so much. There's so many fun. 1384 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,160 Yeah, you. Wanted to love it? 1385 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,240 Like if you watch Alien Covenant again like those actors are for 1386 01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,120 the most part and. To be fair, they're older, you 1387 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,240 know, so they're older they have time to hone their craft, but 1388 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,960 they are all amazing. You believe even like Danny 1389 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,479 McBride, you know who you're used to seeing in like a more 1390 01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,439 comedic setting. Like really, everyone kills it 1391 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,840 and and. Everyone loses their partner and 1392 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,680 you believe in their emotional loss. 1393 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,319 And I think that's a part of this movie that I didn't really 1394 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,359 yet. I wish I would have understood 1395 01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:23,040 these characters losses more. I also don't love how they're 1396 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,319 all in one room when we meet them. 1397 01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:26,000 Yeah, it would have been cooler to kind of get the crew 1398 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,120 assembled. I love. 1399 01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,200 I love those things like Ocean, maybe like a Han Solo shout out, 1400 01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,920 like, have Navarro in a bar, like smoking a cigarette. 1401 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,319 Give us some kind of, you know, sick. 1402 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:37,880 Image Yeah, they're all childhood friends. 1403 01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,760 Every character has a different atmosphere around them. 1404 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,240 They I mean, I don't want to do character writing for somebody 1405 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,960 who's a millionaire in writing screenplays and making movies, 1406 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,800 but it just seems so basic. I think that was the part of 1407 01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,600 this movie that was annoying. I was like, what is this? 1408 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,760 How is this film missing us caring about the characters? 1409 01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:57,840 Like, I don't know it, it sucks, but at least we got Andy. 1410 01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:58,840 I guess. I don't know. 1411 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,160 All right, so where are we? So we are. 1412 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:07,120 We learned that Tyler and his friends want to bring Rain and 1413 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,240 Andy in on this mission to hack a lost Waylon Utani ship. 1414 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,320 And the ship is right near this ring of the planet. 1415 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,720 Like we were saying earlier, the ring looks sick. 1416 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,760 Shout out the visual effects. We're on this one. 1417 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,600 And they need Andy to help them, who has a company interface that 1418 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,280 will allow him to operate the ship's control system. 1419 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:28,240 And we get some personal moments between Rain and Andy that you 1420 01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,400 might have been talking about earlier where she kind of asks 1421 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,880 him if that's cool. He's like, I guess, I mean, what 1422 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,240 am I supposed to say? No, he can't say no. 1423 01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:36,680 So that's what was funny about these scenes. 1424 01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,480 If you know anything about alien lore or like the the logistics 1425 01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:41,240 of the Android, it's kind of a funny moment. 1426 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,080 But it's just like, I mean, anyways, there, there are just 1427 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,640 so many more, like economical ways to build characters. 1428 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,360 And I just don't think they did a very good job with it. 1429 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:54,280 OK, you know what I am recognizing is that the reason 1430 01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,680 that Andy's character is like not successful and doesn't ever 1431 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,960 really truly realize the power dynamic. 1432 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,320 Besides, obviously there's the, the like dialogue at the end of 1433 01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:10,040 our mission, like keep us safe. It doesn't feel like a 1434 01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,600 collective purpose, right? Because the, the power dynamic's 1435 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,640 still there and it has been there the whole movie that you 1436 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,720 haven't actually addressed like what you're doing with that 1437 01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,960 character. I think of love from Blade 1438 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,280 Runner 2049 like. Another one of the great side 1439 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,240 performances of the 21st century, next to dated. 1440 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,480 And I think like, you know, Jared Leto's Wallace's 1441 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:36,720 relationship with love, it is a very similar relationship that 1442 01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,360 the Kaylee Spainy Rain character has with Andy. 1443 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:47,360 And but the kind of conflict within Andy isn't necessarily 1444 01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:51,040 like realized. And you see it so much in Love 1445 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:56,920 where she is supposed to be for like a character who is 1446 01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,040 literally created within the company's interest. 1447 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:07,000 But you see the exploitation and emotional conflict and basically 1448 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,120 just like, abuse that she is suffering at the hands of 1449 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,680 Wallace. And it's so subtle too, through 1450 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,360 that performance and through different, like, moments of what 1451 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,480 she says to different characters, the tears. 1452 01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,480 Yeah, Yeah. And so like it was so cut again 1453 01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:26,280 like this, trying to do good, bad, good. 1454 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,560 And it was just way too like neat for this type of world. 1455 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:37,400 And so I think like love is a really like great, I guess goal 1456 01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,240 to have if you're going to try to do something like an Andy 1457 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,920 character story. And it just felt way too simple. 1458 01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,800 And because of that, because of the context and world that 1459 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,520 you're doing it within, like then it it just like falls flat 1460 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,200 on to be the nicest. I guess way to put it would be 1461 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,680 that because we have so many characters like love who are who 1462 01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,080 are nuanced. And to put it bluntly, and this 1463 01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,720 is going to sound like, I don't know, maybe it'll sound mean to 1464 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,360 people who love Romulus. And I apologize if you do love 1465 01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:07,600 this movie. I'm not trying to reduce your 1466 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,640 experience to the film. But I do think there's an 1467 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,680 element of let's sanitize the morality of these characters 1468 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,880 because Blade Runner 2049 lost money. 1469 01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:20,680 Prometheus made money barely Covenant, I think lost money. 1470 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,960 So these movies that we keep calling out as like these 1471 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,920 amazing sci-fi spectacles epics, they didn't do what Dune did, 1472 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,080 you know, financially do they live up to the thematic and 1473 01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,200 visual and Sonic scope of Dune? I think so. 1474 01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,720 I think that all those 3 movies are up there with Dune and Dune 1475 01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,240 Part 2. Absolutely in movies before it 1476 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,320 would like Minority Report and AI and the original Star Trek 1477 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,040 from from JJ like I. Mean there are a lot of things 1478 01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,720 that I love about Blade Runner. Like, even more than Dune. 1479 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,400 Absolutely. That's a whole other podcast. 1480 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,600 Yeah. But I guess my point is, is like 1481 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,320 if you're the studio, in this case Disney, who owns 20th 1482 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,440 Century, at this point, you're thinking get away from any of 1483 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:02,800 the kind of the the Gray vibes, you know, the bleak. 1484 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,480 Yeah. Do what sells. 2049 let's let's 1485 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,800 get back to the James Cameron on the board, right Alien? 1486 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,000 Give me a dollar sign and call it a day, you know what I mean? 1487 01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,640 And I do think there's an element of this movie that is 1488 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,040 very dollar sign that is very obvious. 1489 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,680 And I think that even if you have a fun time with it, it's 1490 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,040 hard not to acknowledge. Yeah, they're really feeling 1491 01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:21,600 exploited. Or. 1492 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,720 Condescended to in the audience maybe condescended to is strong, 1493 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:25,920 but they certainly made it boring. 1494 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,720 I think the character work like if yeah, because Alien is a 1495 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,200 concept study movie with a bunch of character work that's really 1496 01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,600 smart and to to reduce it down to like running away from face 1497 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,760 huggers is a fun couple scenes. But is that really what we want 1498 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,800 to do with some of the most strange IP out there right now? 1499 01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,120 I guess so. And also, like in original 1500 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,120 Alien, you know, of course I didn't the first time I saw it, 1501 01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,680 connect to every character. Like, that's not what I'm asking 1502 01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,280 for, but I at least, at the very least, understood what they were 1503 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,640 dying for and why that was something that the movie was 1504 01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:58,480 interested in. Yeah. 1505 01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:03,920 Yeah, OK, so we fly up to the we fly up to this spacecraft, this 1506 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:08,560 Waylon Utani Baron spacecraft, and we see that it's actually a 1507 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,880 research station called Romulus and Remus. 1508 01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,520 And we get a really cool image. This wide shot. 1509 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,120 It was very quick. I don't know if you noticed it, 1510 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,720 but our cruise ship takes off through our planet's atmosphere 1511 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,600 or this star Jackson stars atmosphere, and it looks like an 1512 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:28,040 interstellar esque shot where we see our our ship going from the 1513 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,320 the planet to space. It's really awesome. 1514 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,080 That's cool. And then we get a sequence where 1515 01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:37,280 Tyler, Bjorn and Andy go on to the Romulus research side. 1516 01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:39,960 I think it's the Romulus side. I kept getting confused about 1517 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,320 what side we were on first. Yeah, the airlock. 1518 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:43,720 I couldn't tell. It doesn't totally matter. 1519 01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,120 I don't know if it. Matters I feel like I mean it 1520 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,520 would make sense if they did it like thematically of when we 1521 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,040 meet we have to like re come back and meet Rook. 1522 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,200 I hope Rook is on the Remus side because otherwise it wouldn't 1523 01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:56,440 make any sense. I don't know. 1524 01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,840 Because. We only saw it once, yeah. 1525 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,080 Yeah. So this is where we get into, I 1526 01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,280 think what Fede Alvarez and his team are so great at, which is 1527 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,280 suspense, right? They are very good at suspense 1528 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,840 in tight corridors. A lot of people have called this 1529 01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,000 don't breathe in space. I think Kelsey, you referenced 1530 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,120 that earlier. This is certainly what the part 1531 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,520 of this, you know, the part of this movie feels like that it 1532 01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,400 also feels like for Alien Isolation fans of that video 1533 01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:23,000 game, that is a very great game. It feels inspired by that game. 1534 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,240 Even that crawl space store that you see open as they go into the 1535 01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,840 ship that you that you probably noticed from the original Alien. 1536 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,440 The way the door opened was still tactile like the original 1537 01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:35,800 Alien, but there was something even more eerie about it with 1538 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,120 how the lighting is coming through where you don't want to 1539 01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,200 go in. Because if you've played Alien 1540 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,520 isolation, if you make too much noise and go through one of 1541 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,880 those doors, a xenomorph is tracking you down and and will 1542 01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,880 jump scare you in the game, which is frightening. 1543 01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,040 A lot of people just checked out, but I think it's 1544 01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,400 frightening. So what really sucks to this 1545 01:16:55,400 --> 01:17:02,040 introduction to the Romulus ship and getting to this room of this 1546 01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,080 Control Center with a big hole in the ground and apparently 1547 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,520 there's a xenomorph hanging from the ceiling that we'll get to 1548 01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,560 eventually. And somehow our characters don't 1549 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:14,520 notice these things is that the movie feels very try hard. 1550 01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,960 Like, it looks good, but it's also trying to get you to be 1551 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,760 like, aren't you excited to see these characters you sort of 1552 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,600 don't, like, get killed? Yeah. 1553 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,360 And I'm like, no, like, I didn't. 1554 01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,360 I didn't want to want the characters to get killed. 1555 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:26,880 That's the whole point. Yeah. 1556 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,760 Actually, I'm more most afraid for Andy. 1557 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,240 I hope Andy survives. And that also makes me feel 1558 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:32,920 weird, like what you were getting to earlier. 1559 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,080 He is supposed to be the company in this world. 1560 01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,720 Yeah, the real antagonist of the film. 1561 01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,320 It really feels like somebody who wrote this movie, which is 1562 01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,040 Betty Alvarez and his Co screenwriter, didn't get that 1563 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,320 part from the original Alien. I don't want to reduce their 1564 01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,720 experience because apparently this is like Alien franchise is 1565 01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,680 very important to Fede Alvarez. I don't know how much of that I 1566 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,800 believe because he's done multiple franchises at this 1567 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,800 point. I I just think that it's more so 1568 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,640 like I don't come to the the Alien franchise for the same 1569 01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,440 thing then like. Yeah. 1570 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,000 OK. So let's say it's not media 1571 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,560 literacy and it's more so we just have a stylistic and 1572 01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,920 sensibility difference. Yeah, but I mean, that also 1573 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,560 checks out though. I don't really enjoy like his 1574 01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,600 other films, like Don't Breathe or like Evil Dead. 1575 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,720 And I know there are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1576 01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,200 I, I'm not trying to like totally reduce his work or 1577 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,360 anything like that. I just am saying that it makes 1578 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,160 sense that I'm not into this movie because I don't generally 1579 01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,160 like his other movies. There's something about them 1580 01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:29,120 that feel like the, the pacing, it's like taking too long and I 1581 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,200 don't really care about the characters that much. 1582 01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:33,920 And then there's some sort of element that is supposed to 1583 01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:41,400 gross me out or be kind of so violent that it's supposed to 1584 01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,920 really like shock me. And I feel both bored. 1585 01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,600 But obviously it is very like gory or it is very upsetting, 1586 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,240 especially if you think of like the end of Don't breathe where I 1587 01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,680 am. My body's like upset, right? 1588 01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:58,000 Like I feel really uncomfortable, but not because 1589 01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,560 it's an interesting uncomfortable. 1590 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,600 It feels like it's, it's more like, let me put something so 1591 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,400 grotesque on the screen and it makes me have a really irritated 1592 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,440 experience. That's kind of like how I I feel 1593 01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:11,120 throughout his movies. And I know that there are some 1594 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,120 people who really like enjoy them and that's fine. 1595 01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,800 I just, I personally like have that relationship to the way his 1596 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,080 other movies are shot. It makes sense that in this 1597 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:23,640 movie I also feel that way. I guess I feel irritated by the 1598 01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,840 way the characters are shot the the like pacing that I'm the 1599 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:32,320 time I'm spending with them. Yeah, I mean, it also sort of 1600 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,000 feels like a video game, like all the worst video game aspects 1601 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,160 of a movie. I loved this year. 1602 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,120 Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, I think. 1603 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,040 That's a good example. I think this movie had those 1604 01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,400 things, but Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes takes the IP 1605 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,960 of Caesar and twists it completely and almost like 1606 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:52,160 satirizes the the audience's relationship to Caesar, right? 1607 01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,640 It's kind of like a. Religious figure as a perfect 1608 01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,960 figure that who you rooted for, who maybe kind of led to the 1609 01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,840 death of his own kind. And like was an interesting 1610 01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,920 conversation that the movie was trying to start with the 1611 01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,800 audience who's obsessed with IP. It's less about like holding the 1612 01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,800 audience morally accountable and more so like, why do you need to 1613 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,720 see this character again? It was kind of a funny. 1614 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,360 You know, add on that W ball added to that movie that felt 1615 01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,280 like a video game without it. You know what I mean? 1616 01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:17,280 And that's why Alien Romulus sort of just feels like a video 1617 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:18,800 game. It feels like the Uncharted 1618 01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,680 movie or something. Well, you literally have, you 1619 01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,480 know, a sequence where you were saying they go into that room 1620 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:28,720 and the Bajoran character is like, I'm going to electrocute 1621 01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,160 you. And then we have the moment, the 1622 01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,880 flashback of like learning why he wants to electrocute him and. 1623 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,160 Yeah, We cut to Kaylee Spain. He's like asking questions like 1624 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,200 why is why is his mom died? When did that happen? 1625 01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:40,800 Like. It's horrible. 1626 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,280 How long have you been? Breaking up Broken up with. 1627 01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,800 Us and then and then we get this like this moment where even 1628 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:51,000 though Bajoran is like bullying him and he saves him from 1629 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,680 falling into a hole that he didn't see this massive hole 1630 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,200 yeah right near him like I know it was dark in there but that's. 1631 01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,440 Supposed to be the funhouse stuff where you have to suspend 1632 01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:02,800 disbelief. It's just like I also feel like 1633 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,720 the movie kind of thinks I'm dumb at that point. 1634 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,640 Not a strong way. I'm just like I'm not like I 1635 01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,440 know you. I know, you know, I paid 30 1636 01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:12,600 bucks tonight, but I also came for like something more than 1637 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,360 what I could have gotten in the movie at, you know, at home on 1638 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,440 shutter, you know, streaming. So that sucks. 1639 01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:21,040 There were cool just to say the cool stuff so we don't sound 1640 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:22,000 like we're shitting on the movie. 1641 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,400 We have the zero gravity stuff with the xenomorph acid blood 1642 01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,080 later in the film. Obviously we have the kind of 1643 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:32,600 like auto assist rifle things we have, right, interesting imagery 1644 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,040 of, well, there's the ships crashing into the ships. 1645 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,600 Yeah, there's also a scene that is coming up like right now that 1646 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,640 I would like to shout out for a set piece. 1647 01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:44,440 So it's when we get into the water room, there's like water 1648 01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:46,120 at their feet. Yeah, there's some kind of cryo 1649 01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,120 chamber they need in there that has all of its battery. 1650 01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:51,920 Yeah, so, but they're, they're basically get trapped in this 1651 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:57,200 room then, right. And they need Andy to have the 1652 01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:01,560 the upgraded chip in order to get out of that room, right? 1653 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,320 That's I think the premise and so. 1654 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,120 Rain has to come back on the board and then take a chip out 1655 01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,440 of what we will see is to be Rook. 1656 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,440 Yeah, there's there's something with Andy getting either like 1657 01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:15,920 upgraded or needing to recalibrate in that moment where 1658 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:17,640 his eyes go like totally white, right? 1659 01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,720 And he's like rebuilding. Goes to the ceiling. 1660 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,200 Yeah, so the the human characters are in danger in this 1661 01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,840 kind of water red room. I really liked that set piece. 1662 01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,560 It felt scary. That was a a good example of I 1663 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,760 knew I was on a set, right. But like, I felt the 1664 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,520 interesting, fun horror dynamics of this haunted house. 1665 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:42,640 I also really loved how the like this is a really good example of 1666 01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,640 using a set piece to give me narrative information, like 1667 01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,960 because we didn't know that they were necessarily doing all these 1668 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,360 experiments. We just see. 1669 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,880 The research lab. The Bioengineered. 1670 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,360 Yeah, we just see these face huggers that you don't totally 1671 01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:02,240 know are face huggers yet in this kind of like seal, right? 1672 01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,600 Almost like in an embryo state. So it's kind of confusing. 1673 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:05,360 Exactly. Yeah. 1674 01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,920 So you're not totally sure what what is on the wall and you 1675 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,880 realize really quick, similar to how Prometheus when the humans 1676 01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:16,200 go into that kind of cave tomb, right, and they change the 1677 01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,000 atmosphere and things start leaking. 1678 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,720 And they're like, where are we? There's a tomb. 1679 01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,560 There's murals on the wall. And then it's similar here where 1680 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:27,200 their body temperature is then basically it's not hatching 1681 01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,080 right. But the the face huggers are 1682 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,280 coming out of this mold and it's really fun and they don't 1683 01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,000 totally notice it. I'm like, you are in the same 1684 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,480 room. Like I guess there are other 1685 01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:39,600 things going on, but still. And then they they basically 1686 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:44,200 right are loose in this contained room where you do, you 1687 01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,360 know, they're going to get out of it, but you're like, is 1688 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,360 everyone going to get out of it? You know, like watching them go 1689 01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,200 in the water. Yeah, like that was really cool, 1690 01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:54,640 really suspenseful. I I appreciated that. 1691 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,240 And then especially once they get out of the room. 1692 01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,200 Well, first we have that really bad ass moment of Andy like 1693 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,200 coming back online, grabbing the tail right of the face hugger. 1694 01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:09,160 And then when the the doors are shutting, we have all of their 1695 01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:13,200 kind of crab fingers, the face huggers that are stopping the 1696 01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,560 door. I thought that was a really cool 1697 01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,880 image. Like I just liked seeing them 1698 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,600 all. But then we get kind of like 1699 01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:24,200 farther on in the movie and as we get further along, we see 1700 01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,640 more, more face huggers, just kind of like chilling on the 1701 01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,480 cruise ship. And then once I see so many of 1702 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:37,440 these kind of like crabs, it doesn't feel as scary anymore. 1703 01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:39,880 Like there's a there is a volume, right? 1704 01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,560 That is terrifying. But once they're walking through 1705 01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,760 and they change the body temperature, I'm like, that's a 1706 01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,640 really cool idea. I really think that idea is cool 1707 01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,800 to outsmart, right? Or try to figure out how to 1708 01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,760 survive. But once they're walking 1709 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,520 through, the stakes really go away quickly for me. 1710 01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,640 And I'm like, why are they walking through these space 1711 01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,640 huggers? And why do they kind of just 1712 01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,920 look serious? I was. 1713 01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,800 Going to make this take on James Cameron's Aliens deep dive next 1714 01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,080 weekend. But I really think it starts 1715 01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,480 with Aliens, which is that you you increase the quantity of 1716 01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:16,120 something that is sure thrilling and you lose the quality, right? 1717 01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,280 Yeah, when they're all coming at you in the ceiling. 1718 01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:21,320 He's an epic film maker and has a he's assembled a wonderful 1719 01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,880 crew to work with at that point in his career in Aliens and then 1720 01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,600 even better crew in the future. But and that's why that movie's 1721 01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,560 good. But that movie inspires people 1722 01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,760 for the wrong reasons, like studios and legacy directors and 1723 01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,320 writers who want to make movies a part of other franchises where 1724 01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,360 where they go. Well, let's let's just increase 1725 01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:38,960 the volume, the quantity. Yeah. 1726 01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:40,960 And it'll be just as scary. It'll make money. 1727 01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:44,280 Dollar sign at the end of our title of our movie and we're set 1728 01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,560 right. And then instead what we get is 1729 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,120 a lot less ambiguity about themes and ideas, a lot less 1730 01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:54,360 subtlety and the thrills and entertainment feel like they 1731 01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,680 have a lot less stakes because now these monsters are 1732 01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,280 everywhere and they mean kind of nothing. 1733 01:25:59,480 --> 01:26:00,960 And that was going to be sort of my. 1734 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:04,160 It's cool almost to get to like a nest situation where they're 1735 01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,120 in the corners, but it's different when they're all 1736 01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:10,200 charging at you or there's just like 100 in the room just 1737 01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:11,200 sitting there. Yeah. 1738 01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:13,080 I mean. Then it feels kind of silly 1739 01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:14,160 because you feel. Right. 1740 01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,080 And this is kind of what you're getting to, which is like you're 1741 01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,280 you're talking about how the movie does a really good job in 1742 01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,600 this lab because they're pulling off nostalgia bait, you know, 1743 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,560 with the face huggers and you know what's going on. 1744 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,760 The characters don't, and you know, the audiences in the 1745 01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,560 relationship in a meta way to the writing and not the 1746 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,120 characters. The characters are screwed, you 1747 01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:31,520 know that? Yeah. 1748 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,560 The monster was just released. Right. 1749 01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:35,840 Whereas in the first Alien, you didn't really know what the face 1750 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,920 hugger was going to do. You know, you kind of understand 1751 01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,280 what's going on in this moment. And so they do this nostalgia 1752 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,760 bait, but they make something fresh because of all the kind of 1753 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,720 visual choices, the camera choices, the water, all those 1754 01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,120 things are really smart, really cool additions and good 1755 01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,200 imagination. However, the movie continues to 1756 01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,840 do that throughout the film. It uses like the xenomorphs 1757 01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,400 acid. It knows that the audience knows 1758 01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,240 that the acid is going to breakthrough the ship. 1759 01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,760 And so it's kind of have a having a conversation with the 1760 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,160 audience where like Andy knows that like I'm, I'm giving you a 1761 01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,480 gun just to appear like you're going to be violent. 1762 01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,080 Like it's keeps running into these issues where it wants to 1763 01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,880 know it wants the audience to have a meta relationship with 1764 01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,000 the writing of the movie so they can have this dramatic irony 1765 01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,920 with these characters not knowing what they're going to 1766 01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,680 get into. Or it's using the kind of the 1767 01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,480 symbolism of these of these xenomorphs or the black goo or 1768 01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:27,840 the kind of the literal plot mechanics of the xenomorphs and 1769 01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,680 the black goo as a plot point of its own film. 1770 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,240 Where like when you were watching Kaylee Spainy with an 1771 01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,600 assault rifle to even though she has the auto aim assist, 1772 01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,200 whatever the fuck and the zero gravity. 1773 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,960 That's a six set piece visually and it's cool to look at and 1774 01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:43,880 experience. But if you think about what it 1775 01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,520 means for the Xenomorph, like the acid for blood as a defense 1776 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,440 mechanism is such a cool idea until you see one person blow up 1777 01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:54,520 like 12 slow xenomorphs and there's blood everywhere, and 1778 01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,520 then it means nothing. Yeah, you know what I mean for 1779 01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,400 the rest of the franchise. Well, that's, yeah, I think 1780 01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,040 that's. What the acid blood literally 1781 01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,720 means nothing because now we just saw somebody kill a bunch 1782 01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:04,840 of these slow xenomorphs for whatever reason. 1783 01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,280 They're very slow pre, you know, zero gravity. 1784 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,480 And she just easily gets past all the kind of like acid for 1785 01:28:11,480 --> 01:28:13,640 blood. And the movie thinks it can do 1786 01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:18,520 that because it shows us Spike, you know, Bjorn's character get 1787 01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,120 acid blood drip on his face. So we know that it's painful and 1788 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,240 dangerous. But when you, you know, you do 1789 01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:26,440 that volume, you increase the quantity, I feel like it loses a 1790 01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:29,520 lot of that that imagination and that the audience is kind of 1791 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,160 like sick relationships to, to these kind of very specific 1792 01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,920 logistics of these characters or, or villains that we like. 1793 01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,000 Yeah, well, I think it's it's just decreasing the stakes 1794 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:43,200 because of the situation there, right, like the the face huggers 1795 01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,280 walking through them with the body temperature, even though 1796 01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:49,640 again, it's a interesting like science part of it that I things 1797 01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,360 I like from Prometheus, right, of like, well, what are these 1798 01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,720 creatures and like what what is changing the atmosphere of the 1799 01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:57,440 room? Like those are interesting kind 1800 01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:03,000 of the wonder of the world. But the once you see the, the 1801 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,920 set piece of turning off the gravity and then and then having 1802 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,040 all of the goo, which looks like goo, it doesn't look like acid 1803 01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,880 in the air. That's it is really cool. 1804 01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,560 And I was like this when I was watching. 1805 01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:20,480 I was like, this is a very fun thing to to watch right in the 1806 01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:23,880 Alien universe. It's cool to see people in like 1807 01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:27,520 0 gravity because we haven't really seen that done as much. 1808 01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:33,920 And then and then once we get though to the the sifting 1809 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,840 through the acid goo, it feels like I don't actually think 1810 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,240 she's going to get like burned at all or no one's. 1811 01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:41,600 I think they're going to get through this. 1812 01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,000 And because of that, it just felt like, Oh, well, now yes, it 1813 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,720 looks, it's visually like stunning and very interesting, 1814 01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,480 right? But I think that the stakes are 1815 01:29:51,480 --> 01:29:54,880 taken away and then I know they're going to get through the 1816 01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,400 really cool elevator shop set piece, which I think was like 1817 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:02,320 really fun also. But again, I just felt like I, I 1818 01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,520 think everything is going to be fine with these characters and 1819 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,200 it just made me kind of lose interest. 1820 01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:09,960 Right, Yeah, I mean, it's like I. 1821 01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:11,360 Didn't feel the suspense anymore. 1822 01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:15,120 I just felt like I'm seeing set pieces that people wrote. 1823 01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,200 Like I felt kind of the pen on the paper right here is 1824 01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,520 something that will look very cool, right? 1825 01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:22,640 And it's like, I wish I cared about the characters going 1826 01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,040 through this very cool thing. Right, totally. 1827 01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,680 I get it. And I think it's a Disney 1828 01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,000 problem. It's a way to make money. 1829 01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,200 It's just the easiest way to do it. 1830 01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,280 All right, so then we I think Andy now has access to the 1831 01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,960 station basically right at this point. 1832 01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,560 I think Navarro Navarro gets face hugged again. 1833 01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,720 This is where I'm disappointed, unfortunately. 1834 01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,400 And then I think they rain says freeze it off. 1835 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,360 And I thought that was cool, at least to show that this 1836 01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:50,520 character had some kind of like, higher critical thinking skills, 1837 01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,920 I guess, temperature. In this movie, yeah. 1838 01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:54,880 Which I appreciate it. Again, that's another thing of 1839 01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,400 being in conversation with the lore of these movies, knowing 1840 01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,560 that the audience is aware of aliens reacting to temperature 1841 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,040 or the xenomorph evolutions reacting to temperature. 1842 01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,760 Like if you're hip to the franchise, you know that. 1843 01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:07,400 And so this movie again, playing with that. 1844 01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,560 And so her saying to freeze it was like convenient. 1845 01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,920 But I liked that she was a smart character. 1846 01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,840 I liked it as like a a new weapon, right, because you only 1847 01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,240 you run out of things to do like in the alien universe. 1848 01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,720 But I I liked that that component and I also liked the 1849 01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:27,320 X-ray tool that was introduced. So there was like AI went to. 1850 01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,880 The bathroom for this. Yeah, I know it was, but I think 1851 01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,880 you saw the image I showed you later of like there was an X-ray 1852 01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,800 tool that was introduced looking through someone's arm. 1853 01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:40,840 And then when Navarro gets I guess face hugged and then they 1854 01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:44,040 get it off of her and they think she's fine because they 1855 01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:45,880 obviously don't know what a face hugger does. 1856 01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,160 And she's back on the ship and starts feeling something in her 1857 01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,000 chest. We get that really awesome X-ray 1858 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,560 image of her putting it behind her back and you see the like 1859 01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:59,120 alien like figure in her chest. It's really cool and it's like 1860 01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:00,800 orange. It just looks great. 1861 01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:02,720 I do like the color palette of this movie. 1862 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,520 I think the orange looks good, but but, but again, that's 1863 01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,080 another moment not to keep like going back and forth, but like 1864 01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:13,960 two things. Bjorn, his character way too 1865 01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:17,160 easily back in the lab, smacks around the face huggers. 1866 01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,400 Yeah, there's like four different face huggers that try 1867 01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:20,920 to hit him and he smacks. Him to the side. 1868 01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:22,400 I noted that too. And I was like, where did this 1869 01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:23,400 guy come? Was he in the Marine? 1870 01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:25,800 Super string. Yeah, so I thought I caught 1871 01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:26,840 bullshit on that, even though it was. 1872 01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:30,480 Cool because the face huggers are like the grab completely 1873 01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:34,000 like you can't fight them off. Yeah, unless this bioengineered 1874 01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,600 xenomorphs. Their well, I guess yeah, maybe 1875 01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,440 I guess they might be slow, but I don't know yeah maybe he's. 1876 01:32:38,440 --> 01:32:40,200 Giving too much credit to the screenplay, but again, what 1877 01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,360 you're saying with the what is the tool where you can see 1878 01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:44,880 through the body? Whatever the X-ray tool, her 1879 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,840 friends are stuck in the next room and she's like, look at 1880 01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:48,920 this cool X-ray tool and I'm like, Oh my God. 1881 01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:50,600 Because at least in like aliens would. 1882 01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,240 Oh, like when it's first introduced you mean? 1883 01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,680 Yeah, the foreshadowing like this is going to come back like 1884 01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,400 in James Cameron when Ripley is like, I can operate the 1885 01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,080 machinery and help move things around. 1886 01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:00,440 Yeah. And they kind of make a joke out 1887 01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:02,440 of it and they're like, yeah, I want that in Bay 12O, right? 1888 01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:04,720 And then she comes back. Comes back at the end, like 1889 01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,280 that's good foreshadowing because it had a purpose in that 1890 01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:08,800 comedic scene. And then it comes back in this 1891 01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,840 like tense scene in the the fourth act of that movie. 1892 01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,160 And this point I'm like, I mean, this is dumb horror stuff right 1893 01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:15,720 here. I didn't have a total problem 1894 01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:17,120 with it just because it looked cool. 1895 01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:21,400 OK, I forgave it. So rain reactivates the stations 1896 01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,160 so. Also to be fair like I thought 1897 01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,280 that was dumb in the aliens movie too when she was like what 1898 01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,960 do you want me to pick up? I well, there's a campy element 1899 01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,240 to Aliens that I enjoy coming back to, even though people who 1900 01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:33,720 love that movie treat it very seriously. 1901 01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:35,280 Maybe don't use the word camp. I'm not sure. 1902 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:36,640 I don't really care. I think it's that's how I 1903 01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:41,240 experience it. So Rain reactivates the station 1904 01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:44,720 science officer Android. His name's Rook, I believe, and 1905 01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:49,040 he's played by a separate actor than Ian Home, I think from the 1906 01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,600 waist down. I think from waist up they have 1907 01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,840 a digital crew who basically creates this digitally rendered 1908 01:33:56,120 --> 01:34:00,360 face and torso of Ian Holmes's ash from the original Alien, 1909 01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:04,400 right? As far as it looking like bad 1910 01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:08,960 AI, I think that just is more of a coincidence of bad AI hitting 1911 01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,880 all of our social media feeds as of late. 1912 01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,680 Because as far as I understand, this is something that they 1913 01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,480 pulled from different images of Ash's character in Alien. 1914 01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:21,200 The only thing that they really rendered using AI technology 1915 01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:24,280 from what I understand, but not AI that is generative AI, just 1916 01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:28,440 kind of non generative AI technology is mostly the voice 1917 01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:30,800 created. Yeah, human artists use the 1918 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,720 images and then create it with tools that, you know, AI can be 1919 01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,600 very helpful in, but not generative AI where like this 1920 01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,120 was literally an AI version of Ash, if that makes sense. 1921 01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:40,640 Sorry if I butchered that to the listeners. 1922 01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:46,360 And so this character, you know, much like Walter and Covenant, 1923 01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:53,560 is like the iPhone 15 to Ash's iPhone 14, where like, I, I, I I 1924 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,760 understand Rook to be an evolution of Ash, right? 1925 01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:58,200 That would make sense in the timeline, too. 1926 01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:59,560 Yeah. Because this is a sequel to 1927 01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:00,720 Aliens. But he looks like rubber. 1928 01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,760 Yeah, but he looks bad, right? And so they didn't, didn't do a 1929 01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,400 good job with the, the, the human of it all. 1930 01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:11,440 And Rook is basically, to me, an exposition dump device, right? 1931 01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:14,480 Like he's less of a character and he's more just there to tell 1932 01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:17,480 everybody what's going on. He says that the station's crew 1933 01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:20,080 was killed by the xenomorph. The camera pans up to the 1934 01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:21,920 ceiling. There's a fucking xenomorph 1935 01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,560 hanging from the ceiling. Nobody noticed when they walked 1936 01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:29,240 into the room, which is hilarious and and I guess just 1937 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,560 situational awareness is negative for horror movies or 1938 01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:36,640 for feta Alvarez's films. And then Rook says Navarro is 1939 01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,160 beyond saving because the creature implanted a seed. 1940 01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,920 And we get this pretty awesome chase down where we literally 1941 01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:46,520 see Andy now that he's bad Andy Sprint after Bjorn and trying to 1942 01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,360 help, you know, Bjorn's trying to help his girlfriend Navarro 1943 01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:50,960 escape the ship. And I thought that was 1944 01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,520 terrifying because seeing I don't think we've seen an 1945 01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,920 Android run outside of David and Covenant. 1946 01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:58,840 I think it's the only time we see it happen. 1947 01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,320 So I thought that was successfully intimidating and 1948 01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,800 posing and scary. And I think David Johnsons 1949 01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:08,160 ability to shift between submissive Andy to Waylon Utani 1950 01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,600 Andy again is just so impressive. 1951 01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:13,440 And I think, again, this scene is probably the best example of 1952 01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:16,040 that, where he takes off and he grabs the door and he opens it 1953 01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:19,800 and he has that non expressive face, but you know, he's like up 1954 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:21,640 to no good. Like he could easily kill these 1955 01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,080 characters if he wanted to. So that was pretty cool. 1956 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,000 And that's the part. You're like I, yeah, I don't 1957 01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,440 care if Bjorn dies like. No, I was pro and so that I 1958 01:36:32,440 --> 01:36:34,640 guess that was their intention and their motivation and. 1959 01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,360 I guess I do think though the writers are would be OK with the 1960 01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,400 audience feeling that. It's just like, well, what is 1961 01:36:39,480 --> 01:36:41,400 your meaning behind us feeling that then? 1962 01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:44,080 Right, Yeah. So yeah, I don't know about that 1963 01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:50,920 as as far as far as using Ian Home as Rook, but really Ash, 1964 01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:53,200 because that's really what he's they're doing for the audience 1965 01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:54,840 in Metaway in terms of fan service. 1966 01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:58,720 Did you were you angry? Were you, did you just not care? 1967 01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,520 Were you kind of like unaffected by it? 1968 01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,560 Because the movie felt like fanservice at this point. 1969 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:08,040 Well, so OK, let's back up to when we see the well before the 1970 01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,960 big reveal, like when we see the half body on the floor and you 1971 01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:16,360 know it's like a some sort of David or Ash character, right? 1972 01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,080 You said, David, because that was going to be the question. 1973 01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:19,160 I. Had oh, you thought maybe it 1974 01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:20,960 could be David? No, it didn't look like like a 1975 01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:22,000 Michael Fassbender. No, sorry. 1976 01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,920 The question I was going to ask for you was did they go for 1977 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:26,880 Fassbender first and he said no. No, I think that Fassbender is 1978 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:30,080 reserved for Ridley's club only. Like I don't think that Ridley 1979 01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,600 would let anyone else use David. I agree with you. 1980 01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:35,800 He's like, I want to make my third movie and it's my dying 1981 01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:37,920 wish and I need David to be mine. 1982 01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:43,320 I I do think though, like you know, there are other AIS they 1983 01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,280 could from the universe they could play with. 1984 01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,800 Maybe a Blade Runner would be. That's the. 1985 01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,280 Only. Only thing that would have been 1986 01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:56,120 cool to me, but bringing back any other character who was an 1987 01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,680 artificial person or whatever in this universe just feels again, 1988 01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,840 like cheap fan service unless you actually do something 1989 01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,840 interesting with it. And here, you know, we saw the 1990 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:10,600 body and I thought it would have been cool if we just left it at 1991 01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:14,680 there was a moment where they and they like touch the body and 1992 01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,920 it pops up and it's this. It's a fun, you know, like jump 1993 01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:22,760 scare artificial person, like kind of still alive, right. 1994 01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:24,960 And I said to you, that's Ash. Yeah, you did. 1995 01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,200 And I thought like, maybe people didn't totally clock that. 1996 01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,000 And then if they just left it there. 1997 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:31,880 But you can only really have one artificial. 1998 01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:33,840 It would just turn into like a Collider article. 1999 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,880 Like, yeah, I'd be like, who was that one Android with? 2000 01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,400 Anything you missed? Yeah, but I was like that, 2001 01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:39,960 whoop. It would be, it would be fine. 2002 01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,280 I would be OK with that. But the reason I'm not OK with 2003 01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:46,920 it is because once we get to, you know, meet the character 2004 01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:52,520 Rook, who is Ash, and he just basically tells the people on 2005 01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:55,520 the ship, like, here are all the things about the xenomorph, 2006 01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:57,800 here's everything we've been doing. 2007 01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:03,440 He explains the black goo and we already know not to trust him. 2008 01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:05,960 It's playing with the audience's relationship but obviously again 2009 01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:12,120 to alien and not trusting Ash and so we are we don't think he 2010 01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,600 is genuine and having the black goo leave this planet. 2011 01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:19,880 We know it's for a a bad reason or whatever, like it's the the 2012 01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:24,600 company wanting to get the alien like off the the ship, but it 2013 01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,880 just was so transparent, I guess, right And it felt like 2014 01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,800 when it looked bad, it didn't feel great. 2015 01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:34,840 It felt like, especially since the actor isn't really alive 2016 01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,960 anymore. I was just like, this is tough 2017 01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:41,000 because this character isn't like that fun. 2018 01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:46,360 I so I got excited, I guess when I first met him, but I then the 2019 01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:50,520 longer he stuck around and the longer and I guess the more it 2020 01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:54,560 became clear that him and Andy were supposed to be kind of 2021 01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:58,720 these foil artificial person characters. 2022 01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:03,360 But then it actually had nothing to really say besides this idea 2023 01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:07,520 that Ash is actually an an Android artificial person for 2024 01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:09,560 the company saying like humans you are. 2025 01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:14,240 Like weak in the scheme of like evolution, right. 2026 01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,840 And we're just supposed to think that is evil, even though it's 2027 01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:21,160 like that's true. Like the Xenomorph is like as 2028 01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:25,520 far superior as like a a being that can just survive or 2029 01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,200 whatever. And but that that's what Ash is 2030 01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:30,680 also interested in. But it wasn't also that 2031 01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:34,440 interested in looking at how Ash in the original movie or just 2032 01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:38,600 artificial people like David, who's interesting because he has 2033 01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:44,160 a specific relationship of how he was created and and his kind 2034 01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,760 of disdain for the humans because of their exploitation 2035 01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:48,520 towards him, his relationship with the xenomorphic. 2036 01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,600 That's unexplored. And then so since we have the 2037 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,120 again, this comparison between the Ash character and the Andy 2038 01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:57,920 character, we're supposed to think I already explained that, 2039 01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:00,520 but that that just felt like, OK, well then why? 2040 01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:02,560 Why is he here? Why is it? 2041 01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:06,080 Well, summed up, yeah, those are all of the questions I had. 2042 01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,920 No, those are all the thoughts I had ultimately to add on to what 2043 01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:11,160 you're saying, I just think. Does he look like rubber? 2044 01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:12,240 And why does he look bad? Yeah. 2045 01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,280 I I just thought it was embarrassing more than more than 2046 01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,440 anything. I felt embarrassed as a fan. 2047 01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,400 I was like, oh, I'm am IA loser for liking this franchise. 2048 01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,200 Like I was I was starting to reflect on like, my relationship 2049 01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:26,800 to the movies, Like maybe, maybe Aliens 4 1/2 stars. 2050 01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,960 Just kidding. But I was like this, this is 2051 01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:35,480 such an exploitation of the audience's nostalgia that they 2052 01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:37,760 had to do so much narratively to make up for it. 2053 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,120 And some people have argued that they did and it was cool that he 2054 01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:42,120 was whaling Utanian like bad Android. 2055 01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:44,280 But like you've already said, and we've already explained, 2056 01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:49,960 that moral kind of contrast of good Android versus bad Android 2057 01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,360 literally makes no sense in the greater universe of this 2058 01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:54,600 franchise because there's no such thing as a good Android. 2059 01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,960 So in terms of as a representation of the company, 2060 01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,360 because they're built by the company who is a monopoly, which 2061 01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:05,720 is Disney like Wayland time. So yeah, I just thought, I 2062 01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:08,800 thought it was lazy and boring. Yeah, that whole idea of like 2063 01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:12,560 Disney being like, well, we don't want you to think like us. 2064 01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:15,160 The company is that. No, that's what's that's what I 2065 01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,320 didn't want to say that, but that's what does feel a little 2066 01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:19,120 bit manipulative. The same thing with Feta Alvarez 2067 01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:20,360 wanted to make more of these movies. 2068 01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:22,920 It's kind of like wanting to be on Disney's good side and Disney 2069 01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:26,080 wanting him to do this, which is like, we like this fact that 2070 01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,040 you're going to use fanservice so we can bring back other 2071 01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,960 characters and all we have to do is pay out their families there. 2072 01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:34,320 I don't have. I have no moral qualms or like, 2073 01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:38,480 ethical problems with families accepting money because In 2074 01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:41,640 Home's family apparently said OK to Fede Alvarez and Disney and 2075 01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:43,200 Ridley Scott. They approved it. 2076 01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:44,200 Yeah. Yeah, they approved it. 2077 01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:45,840 At least that's what as far as we know. 2078 01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,360 I'm assuming that means a lot of money for them. 2079 01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:52,520 And that was in 2020. And obviously, you know, Ian 2080 01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,920 Home was in Lord of the Rings, so hopefully he got paid out for 2081 01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:59,200 some of the movies he's done. And as one of the most important 2082 01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,400 hobbits for Lord of the Rings fans, also, one of the scariest 2083 01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,280 scenes ever is Ian Home doing the angry Hobbit thing. 2084 01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:07,800 Frodo, I got to rewatch those movies. 2085 01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:12,280 I love those films. But I have no moral issue with 2086 01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:14,200 that because, yeah, get money, you know? 2087 01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:19,560 But my only thing is the kind of like artistic integrity of 2088 01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:22,840 Disney and 20th century and Fede Alvarez and the crew who chose 2089 01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:25,440 to do this, I think is in jeopardy a little bit. 2090 01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:28,200 Like, I do think it's fine as an audience to be like, we want 2091 01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:30,720 more than this. This is lazy, this is boring, 2092 01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:33,520 and we deserve more. We paid a lot of money to see. 2093 01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:40,120 This it's very different than if we were to see like maybe a tape 2094 01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:41,880 from the past ship. Sure. 2095 01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:46,040 And we saw like a message from Ash or something that was given 2096 01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:48,560 to a new word Android. Yeah. 2097 01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:52,080 That is very different than making someone like a full 2098 01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:56,560 character in the movie. And yeah, Betty Alvarez talked 2099 01:43:56,560 --> 01:44:01,400 about it in an interview where he was like very understanding 2100 01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:03,520 that some people wouldn't agree with this choice. 2101 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,880 And he was like, ultimately I just felt like it was right and 2102 01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:06,960 was. That the big picture. 2103 01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,920 I think so, yeah. And that's fine. 2104 01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:14,040 But he did compare it also, though, to how isn't it the same 2105 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:18,360 thing as someone an actor, like dressing up as a historical 2106 01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:19,080 figure? I think, he said. 2107 01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:21,520 Like someone dressing up as Churchill, that was like, that's 2108 01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,440 just not the same thing. Interesting take. 2109 01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:27,040 I don't think that like, I don't really have any like moral, I 2110 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:32,480 guess, push back on this, except for the fact like, I'm not like, 2111 01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:35,960 Oh my gosh, like terrible people for, you know, for including 2112 01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:37,800 this actor. Yeah, it's more consumer 2113 01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:39,880 pushback and like intellectual and emotional pushback. 2114 01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:42,840 Yeah, it's, it's more of that. But then also like I do think 2115 01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:45,680 there is an interesting conversation as we get more into 2116 01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,800 a world where things are digitally possible to, to make 2117 01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:54,240 something like more realistic is like if you did bring back an 2118 01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:59,560 actor to be in a role and actually was like believable. 2119 01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:03,360 I do think at that point it is taking away, you know, roles 2120 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,320 from actors who actually you could do a fresh story with. 2121 01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,920 And then it's just, again, doing something that's safe to put 2122 01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,600 money in a company's pocket. So I think that's really the 2123 01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:13,760 only part where I'm like, I just don't really love this choice. 2124 01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:15,800 One, because it wasn't interesting, but second because 2125 01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:18,080 I don't really love where that's going from taking away 2126 01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,200 opportunities. And usually if we want a 2127 01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,560 character to come back, they're usually a white guy. 2128 01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:23,600 So like. Sure. 2129 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,160 Yeah. I mean, that's another point to 2130 01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:26,800 it, too. I mean, I was just about to add. 2131 01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:28,880 I mean, I don't know why they couldn't have just done David 2132 01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:30,840 Johnson. You know, David Johnson could 2133 01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:34,120 have played bad Andy and good Andy and that's it. 2134 01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:37,640 Why did you need another? What did he met himself like a 2135 01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:39,320 parent trap? That's kind of what I'm saying. 2136 01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:42,600 Like he could just do the Walter David thing, right? 2137 01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,160 And then the Romulus Remus of it all would actually make a lot 2138 01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:46,720 more sense. Like the two sides of this 2139 01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:49,440 Android having this kind of like existential crisis in as far as 2140 01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:51,520 an Android can have an existential crisis. 2141 01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:53,640 That would have been an interesting thing to explore. 2142 01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,720 That seems way more like Ridley Scott logic. 2143 01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:57,440 In fact, I don't think we would have thought of that if it 2144 01:45:57,440 --> 01:45:59,760 wasn't for Covenant. Yeah, it's literally just David 2145 01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:00,920 and. Walter, I was like, whoa. 2146 01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,760 Big new idea, just same thing that's happened before. 2147 01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:07,560 Yeah, so except they would have let Andy went out and obviously 2148 01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,080 Walter loses. Yeah, but but then the 2149 01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,080 conversations that come into that are more interesting than 2150 01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:14,760 what happened. Anyways, thought it was 2151 01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:19,520 superficial and kind of hollow. So now for anyone and. 2152 01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:22,320 Real, real quick, while we're still on that character, though, 2153 01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:26,680 I I felt most offended, I think when the Prometheus music popped 2154 01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:31,640 up as he's explaining that like sphere or the cylinder thing 2155 01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:36,920 where the black goo comes out of in the tomb in Prometheus and we 2156 01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:41,240 we get the music and see the the experiments of like the rat with 2157 01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:42,200 the black goo. I. 2158 01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:45,480 Did like the music, yeah. Didn't love that the black goo 2159 01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:48,040 made it an appearance. But I just didn't feel it felt 2160 01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:52,040 so again, like fan servicey. And then another kind of moment 2161 01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:55,440 where we see that massive face hugger that looks like a 2162 01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:58,160 underwater creature. Like. 2163 01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,360 Just I was like, why? That isn't scary to me. 2164 01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:03,040 I know, I know it's not technically supposed to be 2165 01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:06,160 because it's in this lab this like they're doing scientific 2166 01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:11,000 experiments on this, but I just didn't feel like it was adding 2167 01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,360 to the lore. It was just kind of like using 2168 01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:17,800 it for the audience to feel something and it didn't like we 2169 01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:19,800 were supposed to know, oh, the black goo that Andy is now 2170 01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:21,640 taking as a mission to get off the ship. 2171 01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,120 He shouldn't be doing that. Like let's pay attention to 2172 01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:26,800 that. But I was just like, man, that 2173 01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:28,800 sucks because I really care about the black goo. 2174 01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,360 I had hauled the. Nostalgia Bate that made me mad 2175 01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,520 or sad. It was the black goo the most 2176 01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:35,960 because the black. Goo so cool and covenant too 2177 01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:37,320 like the. Coolest thing about Prometheus 2178 01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:40,040 and Covenant is it doesn't answer any fucking questions 2179 01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:43,360 about the original Engineer that the crew from Alien on the 2180 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,520 Nostromo find in the original Alien film. 2181 01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:47,800 And then also the coolest questions about Prometheus and 2182 01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:50,320 Covenant is you still after watching those movies and 2183 01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:54,400 writing about them extensively. Like I have like written essays 2184 01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,600 for websites about those two films because I love them so 2185 01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,720 much. I still don't understand the 2186 01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:01,160 logistics of the black goo. So the fact that we have to 2187 01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:04,440 watch a scientist Rook be like, well, all we did was recreate. 2188 01:48:04,440 --> 01:48:06,840 We use the DNA from the xenomorph that's been in space 2189 01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:09,000 for 10 years. And then we use that to then 2190 01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,800 build this pod that looks exactly like the pods from the 2191 01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:14,920 the derelict ships from the engineer ships. 2192 01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:17,480 And then we found this black goo that we then gave to these 2193 01:48:17,480 --> 01:48:20,680 animals that apparently works the exact same as the other 2194 01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:22,080 black goo and from the other ships. 2195 01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:25,000 And it was like the Emperor Palpatine moment all over again 2196 01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,960 where I was like, how, why are you doing this? 2197 01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:30,240 Like it? It honestly hurt my feelings 2198 01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:33,160 where I was like, I've spent so much time, I've invested so much 2199 01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:38,120 time into this franchise being the perfect crossover of dumb 2200 01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:40,840 spectacle with like smart provocations that for them to 2201 01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:45,600 reuse a lot of these things that are so mysterious and put it in 2202 01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,880 your face and be like, this is all that it means and it's kind 2203 01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:49,040 of dumb. And now we're going to make a 2204 01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:54,080 kind of a dumb thriller out of it and have this skinny, tall 2205 01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,520 Slender Man juggernaut at the end of the movie. 2206 01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:57,920 Not there yet. Yeah, Holy. 2207 01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:00,120 Shit, I mean, I checked out when I saw that. 2208 01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:01,520 I mean we. Can get there in a second yeah 2209 01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,240 yeah we'll we'll do that in just one second but I think like you 2210 01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:08,560 know the the black goo being used in like a similar way I 2211 01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:10,880 guess here that Rooks explaining it would be like at the 2212 01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:15,160 beginning of Prometheus when we see the engineer take the the 2213 01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:21,000 like suicide shot and then go into the water and. 2214 01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:24,280 But in 2012. Creates, you know, into new DNA 2215 01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:26,600 that I mean, it was similar imagery used here. 2216 01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,600 It's just like literally explaining it. 2217 01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:32,400 And Alien movies are cool because they don't often do that 2218 01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:36,280 or they'll do it where it's like Ripley is trying to deal with 2219 01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:39,240 all these men in Aliens and she's like, no, you don't 2220 01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:43,360 understand or like or no, like I see through you and I see like 2221 01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:45,680 whatever your intention is with like the, you know what I mean? 2222 01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:47,960 So that that's when it's interesting. 2223 01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,640 If you're like trying to get through to someone while 2224 01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:53,920 explaining the the lore, but it's not very interesting when 2225 01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:59,120 it's like, I'm going to set this up and then now you go and shoot 2226 01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:00,600 the aliens. And go. 2227 01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:03,520 Through their acid blood. Everything is just like hammered 2228 01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:06,240 into the story like. It just doesn't feel very like 2229 01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:07,960 natural. Yeah, listeners probably don't 2230 01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,840 really remember if you're not a super big Prometheus fan. 2231 01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:13,520 Like, I was like, theatre opening night because there were 2232 01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,000 rumors that it was like an Alien film. 2233 01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:17,200 And Alien was my favorite movie growing up, still is. 2234 01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:20,680 And when I walked out of that theatre, when I was reading 2235 01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,480 articles like blogs and I remember talking to my friends 2236 01:50:23,480 --> 01:50:26,520 and my dad saw it at the time too, and everybody around me, 2237 01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:29,400 including online was telling me still not an Alien film. 2238 01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:31,640 Like I don't know if people remember, but in 2012 when 2239 01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,160 Prometheus came out, everybody was like, what the hell was with 2240 01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:35,600 that juggernaut at the beginning of the movie? 2241 01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,920 What did he do? It wasn't until like explained 2242 01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,440 essays or YouTube videos started coming out that people were 2243 01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:43,640 like, maybe it is sort of like a prequel to Aliens. 2244 01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:46,520 And even just because you get the the squid monster at the end 2245 01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,600 of Prometheus and it turns into a Xenomorph like creature, 2246 01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:51,120 right. But that wasn't enough for 2247 01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:55,600 people at the time in 2012 to identify Prometheus as an Alien 2248 01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,440 movie because it was so ambiguous and mysterious and it 2249 01:50:58,440 --> 01:51:00,360 seemed like it didn't really give a shit about the 2250 01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,280 Xenomorphs. They really cared about these 2251 01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:05,880 ideas of these gods in this like fight for power and immortality 2252 01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:08,360 of these two, the characters, the corporate guy, the the 2253 01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:12,760 zealot Elizabeth Shaw. And that was that kind of like 2254 01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:16,120 originality and ambiguity, kind of ambiguous nature of those 2255 01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:17,760 movies is what made them special. 2256 01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,360 And that's what that's why I keep freaking out about Romulus 2257 01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:22,480 is because it's so in your face. Yeah. 2258 01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:24,880 And then reducing all those interesting things to just kind 2259 01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:27,360 of like plot. Yeah, it felt forced and like 2260 01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:30,880 there are of course, you know, elements of the Prometheus and 2261 01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,800 Covenant that are still within like a sci-fi premise. 2262 01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:38,080 Like of course you're like all all of this is like it's not 2263 01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:40,120 that serious. But at the same time there is 2264 01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:45,440 that fun ambiguity and there are there is mystery, you know, and 2265 01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:47,480 that just felt lacking here. And I think exactly what you 2266 01:51:47,480 --> 01:51:50,240 said earlier, like unfortunately, it just felt so 2267 01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:55,000 try hard like it, it was. And I, I was just like, I want 2268 01:51:55,000 --> 01:52:00,160 some sort of like room to, to kind of like question in this 2269 01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:02,800 universe. There's no subtext, everything's 2270 01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:03,440 text. Text. 2271 01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:07,280 So we get a chest burster coming out from Navarro. 2272 01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,240 Did you like that scene I. Thought it was great. 2273 01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:10,800 I thought, I thought that bathroom walking. 2274 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:14,560 Into the oh, right, right. Yeah, I think the effects are 2275 01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:17,200 like I just the the way they made that look was sick. 2276 01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:20,680 Like I I thought that it was the best chest burster we've seen. 2277 01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:25,040 Oh wow, besides Covenant? We just rewatched Covenant 2278 01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:26,280 again. Just sort of feed ourselves 2279 01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:28,520 here. That's a very mean spirited 2280 01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,200 movie when it comes to its set pieces. 2281 01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:33,280 But I mean burster. I mean purely chest burster. 2282 01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:34,760 OK, Yeah. I'm going to give it to the 2283 01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:37,600 original alien still. OK, well, that's that's fine. 2284 01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:39,840 That's a nostalgia pick. Yeah, it is. 2285 01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:45,480 So I think their ship crashes right into the ship's hangar. 2286 01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:47,160 Does that sound right? Sure. 2287 01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:53,000 And I think from there we see that Merced's character, Kay, by 2288 01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:54,800 the way, she did a great scream. I might have already said that, 2289 01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:55,560 but when? She screamed. 2290 01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:57,560 Oh, great horror Scream, Yeah. Really. 2291 01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:00,400 You know, awesome. So she's the sister who's 2292 01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:05,160 pregnant, I believe, with a guy that is unnamed, right? 2293 01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:06,960 Yeah, I think. She just says it's some asshole, 2294 01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:07,480 yeah. Right. 2295 01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,960 So she is knocked unconscious from the impact and the chest 2296 01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:12,920 burster escapes into the ship, right. 2297 01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:14,920 I think there might be some cross cutting here between Ian 2298 01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:17,040 Home and David Johnson having conversations where he's trying 2299 01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:20,120 to like Palpatine, his Anakin, like trying to indoctrinate him 2300 01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:22,240 basically. And then eventually Kay regains 2301 01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:26,200 consciousness, she runs into Jorn, and I think that's how you 2302 01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:27,040 say his name. Bjorn. 2303 01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:27,920 I don't know. I'm sorry. 2304 01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:32,240 Who located the kind of Xenomorph gestating into its 2305 01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:33,200 adult form? Right. 2306 01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:37,120 So what did you think about the imagery of the cocoon and also 2307 01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:40,440 the evolution of the Xenomorph? Because now this movie takes 2308 01:53:40,440 --> 01:53:42,960 that lore somewhere else. Because in past films we've seen 2309 01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:44,440 these Xenomorph evolve differently. 2310 01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:47,680 Yeah, well, I think like the the Xenomorph looked great. 2311 01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:51,000 I and again, I think like everything around the Xenomorphs 2312 01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:55,360 they they kept intact like the scary elements of it. 2313 01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:57,480 I didn't think like I, I think they always looked good. 2314 01:53:57,480 --> 01:54:00,080 The animatronic specifically for the Xenomorph looked really 2315 01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:01,120 good. They did some digital 2316 01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:03,040 compositing over it but I thought it looked great. 2317 01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:07,920 Right, but I think like when we come to the I guess this element 2318 01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:11,520 of the Alien franchise where a lot of things are shaped like 2319 01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:13,800 human anatomy and like Giger, right? 2320 01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:18,120 And and Scott like have been very transparent in this idea of 2321 01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:23,360 like the Alien being like this phallic, right image or like the 2322 01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:27,560 egg, like having anatomy. And here we literally see a 2323 01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:29,600 cocoon that is like a vulva, right? 2324 01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:33,680 And so when we have, you know, previous movies with this 2325 01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:38,200 imagery, Ridley Scott has had an interesting conversation about, 2326 01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:43,560 like, why do we see human anatomy as like, grotesque? 2327 01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:44,040 Right. Right. 2328 01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:48,400 And like kind of kind of including these pieces into a 2329 01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:52,440 horror and having some sort of reflection within like, the the 2330 01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:55,640 gender and power dynamics within the movie itself. 2331 01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:57,360 Yeah. They do it again in Prometheus 2332 01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:59,360 with the C-section scene. Yeah, exactly. 2333 01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:02,720 Making like this kind of birth scene a horror scene. 2334 01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:05,480 Right. And like a lot of times we are, 2335 01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:08,760 I think there, I mean, it definitely varies like film by 2336 01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:11,560 film, but there are a lot of moments where I think Ridley 2337 01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:16,600 Scott is with the xenomorphs being like animals, right, of 2338 01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:21,080 asking like why we have a relationship to right this like 2339 01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:23,200 aspect of something that's natural. 2340 01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:29,520 I think here where we see the cocoon, it just feels like 2341 01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:33,720 because this movie is so surface level and really doesn't feel 2342 01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:38,080 like it has a lot underneath going on thematically, that it 2343 01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:41,920 does feel like when I see this, like, monstrous feminine 2344 01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:45,880 embodiment that's supposed to be grotesque, that's supposed to be 2345 01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:50,320 this like, again, like vulva cocoon. 2346 01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:54,320 Then it just feels like, oh, I'm supposed to be looking at this 2347 01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:57,400 anatomy that I associate with women as something that's 2348 01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:01,480 monstrous. And then it's like, why are you 2349 01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:03,240 doing that? Because there's not really a 2350 01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:06,560 interesting gender. Yeah, like critique here. 2351 01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:09,600 Then it just makes that a scary or gross thing. 2352 01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:13,920 And so when I saw it, I was like, I just like, what are you 2353 01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:15,200 doing here? Right. 2354 01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:21,280 Yeah, I mean, I felt all that, especially because the character 2355 01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,160 so obviously wouldn't move from the drip. 2356 01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:25,920 And so when we kept like the acid drip and so when the camera 2357 01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:28,720 kept going up to the vulva, I was like, oh, they just want 2358 01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:31,280 this for the effect, like for the effect that the audience is 2359 01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:35,600 going to like associate this with, you know, some kind of 2360 01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:38,400 anatomy and then be like, oh, monstrous anatomy like. 2361 01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:41,360 And I think again, this is where I'm not sure if Eddie Alvarez 2362 01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:44,400 really totally in his Co writer. Maybe it was more the Co writer. 2363 01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:48,160 I don't know, grasped the subtext of the Alien films. 2364 01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:50,560 The only thing they seem to really latch onto was the class 2365 01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:53,880 commentary, but even that was like not fully explored. 2366 01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:57,520 Yeah. And so as far as the Alien lore, 2367 01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:00,920 like the kind of the the evolution of the Xenomorph, the 2368 01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:04,960 way that the Xenomorph evolves in Alien Covenant, he's so sick. 2369 01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:07,960 It's literally Pokémon, it's awesome. 2370 01:57:08,280 --> 01:57:11,600 If MU two was in a rated R movie, you know, MU or whatever, 2371 01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:15,480 like when the black goo is is in that kind of like that, it's in 2372 01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:18,640 that vegetation state, Yeah. And there are these little 2373 01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:20,640 spores that are going into people's ears of the. 2374 01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:24,080 Nostril, when it when it kind of turns into this like bug like 2375 01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:26,240 yeah, atmosphere particles, yeah. 2376 01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:28,880 Yeah. And then we see a, We see a back 2377 01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:32,760 burster in the lab. We see a a throat burster, 2378 01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:34,600 right? We see all kinds of things that 2379 01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:37,280 are disgusting. And these little tiny 2380 01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:41,720 xenomorphs, these not not chest bursters anymore, like mini 2381 01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:45,720 alien xenomorphs quickly evolve within like 10 minutes of screen 2382 01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:50,440 time into massive xenomorphs, you know, and I liked that. 2383 01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:53,720 And there was no cocoon it it wasn't that we didn't see one. 2384 01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:57,160 They very obviously like went into tall grass and came out as 2385 01:57:57,160 --> 01:57:59,440 bigger and they were just quickly evolving because that's 2386 01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:01,960 how they were biologically engineered to do is like this 2387 01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:05,880 like ultimate, not necessarily predator, but like parasite or 2388 01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:09,840 like kind of this kind of the dual predator parasite figure 2389 01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:11,600 that they are. And I think that's so much 2390 01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:15,480 scarier than seeing the cocoon. Does that make sense? 2391 01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:18,880 Because my problem with James Cameron Aliens treatment of 2392 01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:21,080 Xenomorphs outside of just putting a bunch of them in one 2393 01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:24,520 movie is he makes them bugs. He makes them like bees. 2394 01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:25,720 The bug. Right. 2395 01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:31,200 And that totally reduces the perfect specimen, that alien. 2396 01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:33,480 Established. With the Xenomorph as somebody 2397 01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:36,880 who's taking down a crew and no one can catch and it's so smart 2398 01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:39,240 and it reduces them to literally bugs. 2399 01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:43,000 And also because you lose the idea or even interesting 2400 01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:47,280 question of like the human self importance, right? 2401 01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:50,600 Like you understand that this is a wider universe universe. 2402 01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:55,280 And like you understand, I guess like the the company's bottom 2403 01:58:55,280 --> 01:59:00,400 line and and I think like that is all kind of interesting, but 2404 01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:05,440 but yeah, I guess it, this takes the aliens like multiple crawly 2405 01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:09,600 creatures and and brings it into this world as a way to escape 2406 01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:12,320 again, this like kind of haunted house feature of the movie. 2407 01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:15,160 And again, I get that it's a monster movie, but we keep 2408 01:59:15,160 --> 01:59:18,280 comparing it to Covenant because I think Covenant is still a very 2409 01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:22,400 much a monster movie, right? Like Mewtwo is making his way 2410 01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:24,280 through the grass. Yeah, grass. 2411 01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:29,040 And that I am so interested in and it's scary like. 2412 01:59:29,480 --> 01:59:34,280 And so I think that that there are definitely ways to do it, 2413 01:59:34,760 --> 01:59:37,800 but especially once we get can we get to like the end scene 2414 01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:39,680 here? Because I think this was 2415 01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:45,040 supposed to be the kind of biggest, darkest, scariest 2416 01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:50,960 vampire moment where we see essentially, Oh my God, the the 2417 01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:52,720 birth scene first, let's start out. 2418 01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:54,880 Yeah. Andy's got a new directive and 2419 01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:58,720 basically he needs to save the black goo, and saving the black 2420 01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:02,200 goo has led to the black goo now infecting Kay who was dying 2421 02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:04,360 because she got stabbed in the back by Xenomorph. 2422 02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,200 Right. Who was pregnant. 2423 02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:11,080 So then now her pregnancy has morphed into a figure where that 2424 02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:13,640 we haven't quite seen in the alien verse. 2425 02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:16,960 Obviously there are What do you want to what do you want? 2426 02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:21,040 To call him Slender Man, Slender Juggernaut, like, I don't know. 2427 02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:25,440 What's He's an engineer vampire hybrid, Yeah. 2428 02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:28,680 And I guess this is trying to tell us that the engineers are 2429 02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:32,880 vampire like like they, they eat, they take people's blood, 2430 02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:34,320 they don't know or take organisms. 2431 02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:37,360 I don't know because it it doesn't have to be the same like 2432 02:00:37,680 --> 02:00:40,800 DNA as the original engineer here either. 2433 02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:41,920 Yeah. It's just annoying because 2434 02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:45,880 importantly, the the Xenomorphs don't eat anything that's a 2435 02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:47,400 whole part of their character in these films. 2436 02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:49,400 So to see this like hybrid eat something I'm. 2437 02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:50,400 Like we don't know what they eat. 2438 02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:53,120 They I guess it's true. I guess they nest these people, 2439 02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:55,320 but they got to eat something. I don't know. 2440 02:00:55,480 --> 02:00:57,200 I've never seen them eat anything in any movie. 2441 02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:59,040 They're supposed to be the perfect special. 2442 02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:02,240 They can live in space, and just like they can create cocoons 2443 02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:04,160 with their acid blood in space apparently. 2444 02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:06,160 Live for years. And not eat anything. 2445 02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:09,280 Hibernate I OK, so but then we have this like birth scene, 2446 02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:13,160 which again, like it just felt like, OK, well, I don't really 2447 02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:17,160 care a lot about the character who was killed because of this 2448 02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:21,200 birth. And very, very importantly, like 2449 02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:24,680 a huge, I think distinction in a scene like this is if you 2450 02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:29,200 compare it to Prometheus birth scene with Naomi Rapace in that 2451 02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:33,120 like medical BAE who she has a she gives herself like AC 2452 02:01:33,120 --> 02:01:35,520 section. And then we compare this birth 2453 02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:38,680 scene. There's so much less focus on 2454 02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:41,720 the woman who's giving birth and the character for me to care 2455 02:01:41,720 --> 02:01:45,040 about what she's going through where I'm it's basically just 2456 02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:47,920 again, kind of what I was talking about with the cocoon, 2457 02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:51,320 you know, scene earlier. We just get the kind of horror 2458 02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:55,760 of her body giving birth. It's boring to me like this. 2459 02:01:55,760 --> 02:02:00,000 I yes, like is it crazy to see this in our in in a world in a 2460 02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:03,080 horror movie? Like is it a terrifying, you 2461 02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:08,680 know, I guess situation sure than alien movie, but it just 2462 02:02:08,680 --> 02:02:13,360 felt like so focused on the horror, like monstrous aspects 2463 02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:17,880 of giving birth almost. And then again, like, obviously 2464 02:02:17,880 --> 02:02:20,640 I'm not saying that. I'm saying that from like a the 2465 02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:22,360 lens, right? Of the writers. 2466 02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:27,400 Yeah, yes, right. Verse like not making it this 2467 02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:31,360 monstrous thing. When Naomi Pace is being shot, 2468 02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:33,480 we see her face, we see what she's going through. 2469 02:02:33,480 --> 02:02:37,440 We see her getting this, like, foreign, you know? 2470 02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:39,800 Body out of her stomach. Exactly. 2471 02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:43,560 The subtext of how only men have created that machine to only 2472 02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:44,280 work for. Men. 2473 02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:45,320 Exactly. Yeah. 2474 02:02:45,320 --> 02:02:47,400 So she has to recalibrate it. Yeah. 2475 02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:51,200 The whole time we are focused on the character, what she's going 2476 02:02:51,200 --> 02:02:55,280 through, why it's horrific for her in this scene, we're just 2477 02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:57,920 focused again on like the lower half of her body for the most 2478 02:02:57,920 --> 02:02:59,360 part. And I don't know the character. 2479 02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:01,280 And so it it that's uninteresting. 2480 02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:03,960 And so when this egg is like hatched, essentially are given 2481 02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:08,120 birth to and we see rain, obviously terrified. 2482 02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:12,080 And it goes to the bottom of this, like, sand pit, which kind 2483 02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:14,360 of reminds me of like, I know what you did last summer with 2484 02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:16,320 the ice pit on the ship for some reason. 2485 02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:18,560 This movie cannot stand up against I know what you did last 2486 02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:21,600 summer and I understand. The comparison but but then and 2487 02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:25,600 we see this kind of like human engineer though type of like 2488 02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:31,600 skin right with this open acid egg and obviously like see. 2489 02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:33,240 The baby engineer. Yeah, the baby. 2490 02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:34,520 Love the baby. Yeah. 2491 02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:36,720 I will say I thought the baby was so funny. 2492 02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:39,320 I was like, oh, OK, I'm in. I don't know if this is 2493 02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:41,200 unintentional comedy, but this is hilarious. 2494 02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:43,120 If it stayed a baby, that would have been amazing. 2495 02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:45,400 A scary baby. That's what I was thinking. 2496 02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:46,600 I was like, oh wait, this movie might. 2497 02:03:46,600 --> 02:03:49,480 No, it's too weird because it doesn't show us a juggernaut. 2498 02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:52,520 It doesn't show us an engineer. It's just like this hyper scary 2499 02:03:52,520 --> 02:03:54,560 baby and then you have to imagine that there's this baby 2500 02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:57,280 floating in space. When I saw the the baby, I kind 2501 02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:59,280 of like laughed. Not in a, not in a way where I 2502 02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:01,720 didn't like it. I was just like this is funny in 2503 02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:03,640 a fun way. It was so dumb, yeah. 2504 02:04:03,640 --> 02:04:08,280 But but I think that, you know, I knew I was a little annoyed 2505 02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:11,160 because I knew the engineer was coming or I knew some sort of 2506 02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:15,600 like hybrid engineer and I was like, it didn't deserve this. 2507 02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:18,520 Like the movie, like I know it needs to have a fourth act as an 2508 02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:21,640 alien film. But I just didn't feel like when 2509 02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:26,400 I saw the engineer kind of like a transformer essentially, like 2510 02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:30,240 breaking its back together, back together and being a vampire, I 2511 02:04:30,520 --> 02:04:33,400 was just kind of like annoyed that an engineer was here 2512 02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:37,400 without any kind of like Betheus undertone hard hitting of like 2513 02:04:37,400 --> 02:04:39,760 what the engineers represent to the humans. 2514 02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:43,520 So it just felt like this vampire monster creature. 2515 02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:47,000 I was like, this is literally just a monster movie. 2516 02:04:47,200 --> 02:04:50,120 And that's fine if you're just going to the movie for like a 2517 02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:52,920 thrill horror, you know, movie of the summer. 2518 02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:55,200 Like, I wonder what people would think if they'd never seen an 2519 02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:56,920 alien movie and just like came to this. 2520 02:04:57,200 --> 02:04:58,240 Maybe you'd enjoy it. Yeah. 2521 02:04:58,240 --> 02:04:59,720 And that's that totally makes sense. 2522 02:04:59,720 --> 02:05:01,360 Like. Actually, that's not true. 2523 02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:03,160 I already said earlier, we put in a vacuum. 2524 02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:05,960 There's just OK, but if you're. Experiencing it as like AB 2525 02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:09,520 horror movie like we enjoy other B horror movies like you didn't 2526 02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:11,840 have the lore experience yeah yeah I'm. 2527 02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:15,040 Trying to though. Yeah, but if you went in it or 2528 02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:18,160 purely that, then sure, like it works in a lot of ways. 2529 02:05:18,360 --> 02:05:22,360 But I was just like, so I I felt kind of like there was an I 2530 02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:25,080 think embarrassing is probably like maybe a mean word, but it's 2531 02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:30,080 what I also probably felt it's like this, like it just didn't 2532 02:05:30,200 --> 02:05:31,960 earn this and like. There was a scene we skipped 2533 02:05:31,960 --> 02:05:34,720 over where David Johnson says get away from her, you bitch to 2534 02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:36,960 it. And half of our crowd cheered 2535 02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:39,880 and I definitely felt embarrassed because I could feel 2536 02:05:39,880 --> 02:05:42,000 the silence from the other half. You know what I mean? 2537 02:05:42,240 --> 02:05:44,240 There was definitely a divide. And those people are listening 2538 02:05:44,240 --> 02:05:47,360 to this podcast right now. And the people who cheer like I 2539 02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:51,000 understand, but like I also, we also cover movies and we're like 2540 02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:54,400 hyper aware of what industry that like the industry, the 2541 02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:57,040 state of the industry is like what studios are doing and 2542 02:05:57,040 --> 02:05:59,800 they're trying to fuck with like fan service so that they all 2543 02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:01,720 never have to create anything original. 2544 02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:04,200 And it's just this like pipeline of making things that had 2545 02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:06,120 already come before and you're playing with. 2546 02:06:06,120 --> 02:06:08,840 Iron Man is now doctored. Yeah, which that's I'm actually 2547 02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:11,040 excited about. That's a whole other 2548 02:06:11,040 --> 02:06:14,080 conversation. Yeah, that's. 2549 02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:16,040 Stay tuned for a Marvel conversation next month. 2550 02:06:17,480 --> 02:06:18,960 Totally agree with everything you're saying. 2551 02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:23,160 I think what this movie misses most, and maybe this can be our 2552 02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:25,040 final thoughts here before we get to our extra credits and 2553 02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,320 maybe some, you know, thoughts about what can come next. 2554 02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:32,080 The famous blockbuster sci-fi horror slasher, the xenomorph 2555 02:06:32,120 --> 02:06:35,200 that this movie so obviously in love with, and I understand why 2556 02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:38,320 is legitimately a terrifying creation, right? 2557 02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:42,320 The Dan O Bannon shoe set screenplay, the HR Giger design, 2558 02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:45,160 the Ridley Scott vision of drinking wine and smoking cigars 2559 02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:47,800 and yelling at people to do what he wanted them to do. 2560 02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:52,400 But important importantly, the Xenomorph is a red herring 2561 02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:54,640 character and then so are the Engineers. 2562 02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:57,040 They mean a lot of things subtextually because there are 2563 02:06:57,040 --> 02:07:00,000 smart artists working on these projects from Alien to 2564 02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:04,240 Prometheus to Covenant. But ultimately, like the 2565 02:07:04,240 --> 02:07:07,840 Xenomorph or the Juggernauts as God figures, these are thematic 2566 02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:10,480 red herrings. And as far as the through line 2567 02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:13,560 of the Alien franchise and how it connects to our contemporary 2568 02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:17,320 world in 79 to now today, is that the humans are the 2569 02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:19,800 villains. That's the whole point of this 2570 02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:22,320 franchise. Like we are the gods we have 2571 02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:25,040 been searching for because we made immortal technology. 2572 02:07:25,080 --> 02:07:27,080 The humans with power are the villains, yeah. 2573 02:07:27,120 --> 02:07:29,520 Yeah, sorry. Yeah, Waylon Utani in this 2574 02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:33,240 situation, or any of the other corporate overlords like Tyrell 2575 02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:37,320 from Blade Runner, Wallace from 2049, Wayland from Prometheus 2576 02:07:37,320 --> 02:07:39,840 and so forth, right? And so this kind of idea that 2577 02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:44,040 the search for immortality from our mythic storytelling in the 2578 02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:46,480 Greek myths and Rome myths that they're trying to play with in 2579 02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:50,120 these movies to today, like this search for living forever, this 2580 02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:53,400 power that we can't have creates this like self-destructive 2581 02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:56,520 competitive cycle for generations and creates 2582 02:07:56,520 --> 02:07:58,520 patriarchy and creates men wanting to control women's 2583 02:07:58,520 --> 02:08:01,280 bodies. And so the androids represent 2584 02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:04,200 this kind of hubris, right? This kind of like immortal 2585 02:08:04,200 --> 02:08:06,680 technical technology that we created and without 2586 02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:09,240 understanding that you're going to make a bad alien film. 2587 02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:12,000 Like if you watch the alien movies and you go the xenomorph 2588 02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:14,040 is the pole reason these movies rock. 2589 02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:19,520 That's not what that's that's what might like be sick as a as 2590 02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:21,640 an entertaining thrill ride, like when you're getting to. 2591 02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:25,960 But conceptually, the reason why these stories feel like we're 2592 02:08:25,960 --> 02:08:29,280 we're watching really smart cinematic stories through these 2593 02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:31,600 two hour blockbusters that feel like popcorn films, but are 2594 02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:37,480 something different is because of like this constant reframing 2595 02:08:37,480 --> 02:08:40,520 of the xenomorph as just a parasite that happened to be 2596 02:08:40,520 --> 02:08:44,040 picked up by the company, right? Like that's the whole point, 2597 02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:46,360 right? Like these colonizers, these 2598 02:08:46,360 --> 02:08:49,640 exploiters have a Class, A working class of people that 2599 02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:53,600 they want to be. They want the Xenomorph to lay 2600 02:08:53,600 --> 02:08:54,920 eggs into. So then they can use their 2601 02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:57,600 bodies and use this as a tool or as a commodity. 2602 02:08:57,800 --> 02:09:00,680 So people missing that through line of Ridley Scott's whole 2603 02:09:00,680 --> 02:09:03,200 career of these three major movies he made with Alien, 2604 02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:05,360 Prometheus and Covenant is so depressing. 2605 02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:09,200 Watching Romulus now, Ridley Scott put his name on this as a 2606 02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:11,160 producer. Yeah, I guess we can talk about 2607 02:09:11,160 --> 02:09:12,920 that now, unless you've any other final thoughts. 2608 02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:15,640 Sure. Yeah, I mean, I also no the I 2609 02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:19,920 already said everything about the why the Andy character is 2610 02:09:20,080 --> 02:09:25,840 like thematically not good. But I think again, just to like 2611 02:09:26,200 --> 02:09:30,720 shout out, I guess we'll do it. We should do extra credits as 2612 02:09:30,720 --> 02:09:32,720 our final thoughts, right? Yeah, I guess we can do really 2613 02:09:32,720 --> 02:09:34,760 Scott conversation after the extra credits. 2614 02:09:35,640 --> 02:09:37,400 OK, let's do it. Extra credits What do? 2615 02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:41,120 You got all right. So my extra credits are the set 2616 02:09:41,120 --> 02:09:44,600 pieces. I think that they were 2617 02:09:44,600 --> 02:09:46,680 interesting and they were well done. 2618 02:09:46,680 --> 02:09:50,840 Like they looked really good. It was just, again, everything 2619 02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:52,640 we've already talked about that kind of took away from the 2620 02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:56,800 stakes of those set pieces from making them be successful in the 2621 02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:59,320 movie overall. Yeah, I mean the there are a 2622 02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:02,800 couple set pieces. We didn't really talk about Andy 2623 02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:05,880 and Kelly Spainy in the elevator shaft before the getaway from. 2624 02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:06,880 Her. Yeah, that was another great 2625 02:10:06,880 --> 02:10:09,080 one. That was a good one, but again, 2626 02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:10,480 like with every set piece, that was fun. 2627 02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:14,120 I did feel like some kind of like thematic, unimaginative, 2628 02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:17,680 afraid to offend vibe where they didn't want to do anything new, 2629 02:10:18,120 --> 02:10:21,320 but it was cool to get the visual style of Fede Alvarez 2630 02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:24,640 injected into the kind of xenomorph Facehacker moments of 2631 02:10:24,640 --> 02:10:28,880 this film for sure. OK, so extra credits for me. 2632 02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:30,320 I'll go David Johnson, obviously. 2633 02:10:30,320 --> 02:10:32,200 I thought you would pick. I was going to pick him, but I 2634 02:10:32,200 --> 02:10:36,320 was like. He was so silly in Rye Lane last 2635 02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:40,480 year, and to do something so different here shows a a range 2636 02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:42,800 that I thought I knew he had an industry. 2637 02:10:43,120 --> 02:10:48,400 But he plays such like a kind of aloof, kind of jerkish character 2638 02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:50,080 in industry. So are all the characters, 2639 02:10:50,080 --> 02:10:53,160 frankly, and kind of just wants to do his own thing. 2640 02:10:53,160 --> 02:10:55,000 Yeah, very succession coded. Great show. 2641 02:10:55,160 --> 02:10:58,480 Can't wait for season three. Haven't started it yet, but him 2642 02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:01,760 going from like reserved to menacing very quickly in this 2643 02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:04,920 movie with his robotic emotions being a bit showy in the 2644 02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:06,600 beginning, like a little too much in the beginning. 2645 02:11:06,680 --> 02:11:09,480 But then when he goes to Andy #2 like I've been saying, I was 2646 02:11:09,480 --> 02:11:11,240 just invested. And that's hard to do because 2647 02:11:11,240 --> 02:11:13,080 you're everybody is a fan in the audience. 2648 02:11:13,080 --> 02:11:15,000 And this movie is made for fans. It's fanservice. 2649 02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:17,360 It's thinking of Michael Fassbender and how he should 2650 02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:20,360 have won an Oscar for what he did as David or Walter, and 2651 02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:23,080 that's a lot to live up to. And I think he makes his own 2652 02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:25,200 thing here with Andy, which. Is Yeah, I think so. 2653 02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:27,680 I was going to say this is my second extra credit, but I just 2654 02:11:27,680 --> 02:11:31,200 assumed that since you really hated this movie, that since 2655 02:11:31,720 --> 02:11:34,560 David Johnson is like one of the only great things about it, that 2656 02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:37,520 you think of his extra credit. And he is very deserving. 2657 02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:40,920 And I think something that speaks to how successful his 2658 02:11:40,920 --> 02:11:44,400 performance is in this movie is like, I want to see him in 2659 02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:46,880 another Alien movie, right? I want to see his character come 2660 02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:48,760 back. And I don't feel that way about 2661 02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:50,080 the other characters in the movie. 2662 02:11:50,120 --> 02:11:52,360 He does well fantasy though. I'd I'd like to see him. 2663 02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:54,320 I mean, they're going to be casting the X-Men movies soon. 2664 02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:56,400 I'd like to see him in something else, like give him a franchise 2665 02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:57,880 or something. Not that we need just need 2666 02:11:57,880 --> 02:12:01,040 franchise spectacles, but he was really able to hold the screen, 2667 02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:03,360 had a lot of charisma for a character that wasn't demanding 2668 02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:06,400 that and from, you know, characters in this movie that 2669 02:12:06,400 --> 02:12:09,240 really lacked that. And I also just want to say the 2670 02:12:09,240 --> 02:12:12,600 Android is the the spiciest, most fun character to play, so 2671 02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:13,800 maybe that's a little bit of it, too. 2672 02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:15,880 Like if Kaylee Spain, he got to play an Android. 2673 02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:17,400 Sure. Would that be kind of sick? 2674 02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:18,600 Yeah. Like you know what? 2675 02:12:18,640 --> 02:12:20,800 I mean, you have more to do, so much to do with that character, 2676 02:12:21,160 --> 02:12:23,400 that's true. In terms of another extra 2677 02:12:23,400 --> 02:12:24,880 credit, just very quickly, the music. 2678 02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:29,320 I liked how the music mixed in different scores or soundtracks 2679 02:12:29,320 --> 02:12:31,600 from other past films. Like we had the Benjamin Walfish 2680 02:12:31,600 --> 02:12:35,000 like him composing original music, but there were also, you 2681 02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:37,680 know, featuring themes from Jerry Goldsmith from the 2682 02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:39,760 original or James Horner from the sequel. 2683 02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:42,400 And then Prometheus. I I mean, the Prometheus score I 2684 02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:44,320 think is one of the more underrated ones from Mark 2685 02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:47,040 Streitenfield. And then I think we also had the 2686 02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:50,720 kind of entry of the God into that Valhalla from that David 2687 02:12:50,720 --> 02:12:54,360 was playing for his father, who he would later be a part in 2688 02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:56,240 killing. And I think there was even some 2689 02:12:56,240 --> 02:12:59,480 covenant beats here too. So I loved the injection of the 2690 02:12:59,480 --> 02:13:03,400 music, that kind of stuff, or the hand of ash instead of like 2691 02:13:03,400 --> 02:13:04,840 showing Ash. That would have just. 2692 02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:07,800 It's been so much cooler. Yeah, in terms of fanservice. 2693 02:13:07,800 --> 02:13:08,520 Yeah. All right. 2694 02:13:08,720 --> 02:13:10,640 Wait. OK, before. 2695 02:13:10,720 --> 02:13:12,480 Well, I guess we can talk about Ridley Scott. 2696 02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:14,400 Yeah, let's do it. And then I have a question for 2697 02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:18,280 you before we we leave. OK, so is Ridley Scott going to 2698 02:13:18,280 --> 02:13:21,600 make his third David movie? Is he promoting this film Alien 2699 02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:23,160 Romulus? Because I don't. 2700 02:13:23,240 --> 02:13:26,720 I've looked specifically he didn't touch the screenplay. 2701 02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:29,720 Apparently he gave notes he came to set sometimes but wasn't 2702 02:13:29,720 --> 02:13:31,360 there all the time. He didn't do the whole later 2703 02:13:31,360 --> 02:13:33,280 under 2049 thing where he was there every day. 2704 02:13:33,640 --> 02:13:36,360 Yeah, castling to need on the vanilla is like, I'm gonna do my 2705 02:13:36,360 --> 02:13:37,920 own shit with Dune. I'm not doing another one of 2706 02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:40,480 these even though I think Villeneuve is aware that he made 2707 02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:42,960 a prequel to Aliens, sort of like he knows he's in that 2708 02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:46,160 universe and maybe people don't recognize that now, but they 2709 02:13:46,160 --> 02:13:50,320 will I think in the future. Is Ridley Scott at 8586 years 2710 02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:53,600 old like he is now getting ready to do prep for Napoleon two, 2711 02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:56,480 which or sorry, not Napoleon 2, Gladiator 2, Napoleon. 2712 02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:58,720 I'll take Napoleon 2, Gladiator 2. 2713 02:13:58,720 --> 02:14:01,920 Assuming Gladiator Two blows up, let's say it makes 600, seven, 2714 02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:04,920 $100 million. He's in the middle of four 2715 02:14:04,920 --> 02:14:07,240 different screenplays right now. Apparently he's making a speed 2716 02:14:07,240 --> 02:14:10,040 coded movie called Bomb, right? He's making a movie about the 2717 02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:12,680 Bee Gees. He's making us a thriller about 2718 02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:15,760 Circus Olay, Sure. And then he's also making a 2719 02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:18,640 financial thriller that's really under wraps with a huge cast. 2720 02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:19,800 That's the rumor that's exciting. 2721 02:14:19,800 --> 02:14:22,160 So he's making four movies. Let's say none of that's true, 2722 02:14:22,360 --> 02:14:23,800 right? Hopefully the Bee Gees one 2723 02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:27,400 really isn't true. And he spends the last years of 2724 02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:32,560 his life, hopefully not knock on wood, making Alien Olympus like 2725 02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:34,960 whatever whatever the third movie is to. 2726 02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:37,680 I said Olympus just because of the the Greek mythology he's 2727 02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:40,360 playing with whatever the third film would be to this David 2728 02:14:40,360 --> 02:14:42,120 trilogy. And if he really wants to 2729 02:14:42,120 --> 02:14:44,640 connect it, he can because they're going to a planet where 2730 02:14:44,640 --> 02:14:47,160 whaling Utani doesn't exist. And David probably knows that. 2731 02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:49,440 And David's going somewhere too, at the end of Covenant with the 2732 02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:51,200 colonizer. Ship Well, he's going to the 2733 02:14:51,200 --> 02:14:54,400 ship that like at the end of Covenant, they do say they're 2734 02:14:54,400 --> 02:14:59,080 still on track for that's no, no, no for the IT starts with an 2735 02:14:59,080 --> 02:15:02,440 O no, but that planet that they're originally going to go 2736 02:15:02,440 --> 02:15:03,760 to. Yoga or whatever. 2737 02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:05,600 No, no. OK, It's Orion. 2738 02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:08,240 Something like that. Maybe Randy will be like, hey, 2739 02:15:08,240 --> 02:15:10,400 Rain, I hear a distress signal. It's at this planet. 2740 02:15:11,200 --> 02:15:12,600 Maybe they could meet up. I don't know. 2741 02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:16,800 So I think that's my my theory is that Ridley Scott put his 2742 02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:18,760 name on this. I don't think he thinks this is 2743 02:15:18,760 --> 02:15:20,360 a good movie. There's no fucking way. 2744 02:15:20,440 --> 02:15:22,560 I don't believe it. The guy who made Covenant, No 2745 02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:24,000 way. He definitely watches and was 2746 02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:26,560 like, that's bee version of whatever I did in Covenant. 2747 02:15:27,160 --> 02:15:28,480 At least be version. Yeah. 2748 02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:31,000 So even though I do like Fede Alvarez in terms of don't 2749 02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:32,640 breathe and original storytelling, I just hope he 2750 02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:34,720 gets out of the franchise. He's stuck in the franchise 2751 02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:36,040 stuff. Get him out of there, please. 2752 02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:39,440 I want him to make original stuff because I do think he has 2753 02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:42,120 some, like, writing skills that he showed already. 2754 02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:45,160 I do think he only attached the name here so he'd get a David 2755 02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:46,480 movie. Is that what you think too? 2756 02:15:46,720 --> 02:15:50,280 Yeah, I mean, this is of course like all speculation, but I just 2757 02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:55,760 can't imagine like being so interested in fighting for like 2758 02:15:55,760 --> 02:16:00,440 his cut of Blade Runner, right, to be more mysterious and to not 2759 02:16:00,440 --> 02:16:03,680 have like a voice over, you know, of like a Harrison Ford 2760 02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:04,760 character. Yeah. 2761 02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:09,960 And and all of his previous work that of course, like everything 2762 02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:11,520 isn't great. But if you look at things that 2763 02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:15,680 he's done, like the last Duel or like obviously hit what he's 2764 02:16:15,680 --> 02:16:18,840 done in the Alien universe, like specifically with Alien Covenant 2765 02:16:18,840 --> 02:16:24,040 Prudent Metheus, you can't like I I just can't imagine he was 2766 02:16:24,040 --> 02:16:27,280 like, let me just put my stamp of approval on this movie. 2767 02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:30,640 Like it does seem like a funding thing. 2768 02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:32,959 I don't know. And that's obviously it could 2769 02:16:33,080 --> 02:16:36,160 totally not be true, But it's just so weird to look at the 2770 02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:38,959 other movies in this space that he's done and then compare it to 2771 02:16:38,959 --> 02:16:40,639 something that does feel so service leveled. 2772 02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:43,040 Well, you can imagine the pitch to Disney. 2773 02:16:43,080 --> 02:16:46,719 I mean, once Disney bought 20th Century in 2019, a couple years 2774 02:16:46,719 --> 02:16:50,360 after Covenant, they apparently killed the idea for the third 2775 02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:52,959 David movie. Because we can imagine what the 2776 02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:56,360 pitch was was like, OK, so Can you imagine Ridley Scott in the 2777 02:16:56,360 --> 02:16:58,680 boardroom? So David, he, he committed 2778 02:16:58,680 --> 02:17:01,760 genocide to the gods, right? And so like now, he's God. 2779 02:17:01,959 --> 02:17:04,520 Now he. And so now he has a whole colony 2780 02:17:04,520 --> 02:17:06,559 and these are all his babies, you know, and then so all the 2781 02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:09,000 xenomorphs he's going to he's going to raise a world full of 2782 02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:11,400 Xenomorphs. And then, you know, like that 2783 02:17:11,400 --> 02:17:13,840 pitch would go over so poorly for Disney. 2784 02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:14,920 They like, wait, he killed they're. 2785 02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:17,959 Obviously going to do something different, like he would do 2786 02:17:17,959 --> 02:17:19,360 something different. It wouldn't just be like a 2787 02:17:19,360 --> 02:17:21,080 Xenomorph petting zoo on a planet. 2788 02:17:21,080 --> 02:17:22,160 OK, be sick. OK. 2789 02:17:22,719 --> 02:17:25,120 All right. Anyway, we are pulling obviously 2790 02:17:25,120 --> 02:17:30,920 for our third David trilogy and maybe we could have Andy since 2791 02:17:30,920 --> 02:17:35,040 there is the the kind of like dialogue, you know, narrative 2792 02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:39,120 component of Andy being one of the original, yeah, like 2793 02:17:39,240 --> 02:17:43,280 artificial people that he could also show up in a prequel 2794 02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:45,000 technically. And also they have a whole, 2795 02:17:45,040 --> 02:17:48,320 there's a whole colony on that ship that I believe, yeah, David 2796 02:17:48,320 --> 02:17:50,440 has. And so there's a huge cast. 2797 02:17:50,440 --> 02:17:53,080 They they can have a huge onshore that's so and do like a 2798 02:17:53,080 --> 02:17:55,280 a plan of the ape situation, right? 2799 02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:57,760 Like where you you have people in cages and they're all getting 2800 02:17:57,959 --> 02:17:59,879 they need to get xenomorphed, you know, and like face hugged, 2801 02:17:59,879 --> 02:18:02,959 like there's a lot of different. Things xenomorphs are, yeah. 2802 02:18:02,959 --> 02:18:04,600 You know what I mean? They could do a bunch of 2803 02:18:04,600 --> 02:18:07,240 different things. OK, I need to eat dinner. 2804 02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:10,320 I have a question for you before we get out of here. 2805 02:18:10,959 --> 02:18:13,440 Yeah, we had to order. It's getting too late to cook. 2806 02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:20,280 OK, if you could choose a director who feels very suited, 2807 02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:23,320 like for the Alien franchise. Alien universe? 2808 02:18:23,959 --> 02:18:24,719 Who? Who's it gonna be? 2809 02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:27,680 The obvious name, which is not my favorite director choice, but 2810 02:18:27,680 --> 02:18:30,959 the obvious name is Christopher Nolan because he is a huge Alien 2811 02:18:30,959 --> 02:18:34,440 fan, a huge Bladerunner fan. I think the rumor was in 2015 2812 02:18:34,440 --> 02:18:37,080 that Ridley Scott personally, like, reached out to Christopher 2813 02:18:37,080 --> 02:18:38,920 Nolan and was like, will you take on the Bladerunner 2814 02:18:38,920 --> 02:18:40,879 franchise? And then he went to Deni Valnav, 2815 02:18:40,879 --> 02:18:43,280 which makes sense since Deni Valnav is kind of a spiritual 2816 02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:45,520 successor. I mean, successor's a tough 2817 02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:47,480 word, but that's how I feel about Christopher Nolan. 2818 02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:49,799 You know, I love Nolan's work and I think he's done a good 2819 02:18:49,799 --> 02:18:53,160 franchise work too. I would rather, you know, have 2820 02:18:53,160 --> 02:18:55,600 like a Dnie Villeneuve on a Blade Runner movie or an Alien 2821 02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:57,400 film. So it's Nolan, I think is the 2822 02:18:57,400 --> 02:19:01,120 obvious answer for most crowds, just knowing that he loves Alien 2823 02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:03,799 and Blade Runner and then Villeneuve obviously, but he 2824 02:19:03,799 --> 02:19:06,360 already did 2049. I think the choice that is 2825 02:19:06,360 --> 02:19:10,520 practical and makes sense but would make me a little bit sad 2826 02:19:10,840 --> 02:19:15,240 considering he does mostly original movies, is Jordan 2827 02:19:15,240 --> 02:19:18,240 Peele. I think Jordan Peele makes a lot 2828 02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:22,360 of sense as one of the very strange film makers that is 2829 02:19:22,400 --> 02:19:25,639 working in scale. Like he's doing $80 million 2830 02:19:25,760 --> 02:19:30,200 movies like Nope, making it a somewhat sizable profit on 2831 02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:32,240 those. Not probably enough to really 2832 02:19:32,480 --> 02:19:36,200 warrant a whole franchise to his name, but he's made two massive 2833 02:19:36,200 --> 02:19:39,760 hits with Get Out and Us obviously making so much money 2834 02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:44,840 and I think he is weird enough and has the sensibilities 2835 02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:48,160 cinematically and stylistically. And I do think from a writing 2836 02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:51,560 perspective, would. Get the like thematic beats. 2837 02:19:51,560 --> 02:19:54,680 And of a Ridley Scott figure. Yeah, or, or of like the Alien 2838 02:19:54,680 --> 02:19:56,680 franchise. Like I'm pretty sure Alien's his 2839 02:19:56,680 --> 02:19:58,080 favorite movie, right? And. 2840 02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:01,880 Favorite movie ever I believe. Yeah, and I like trust that he 2841 02:20:02,320 --> 02:20:06,200 he also like maybe comes to the alien universe the similar how 2842 02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:08,720 we do like he is interested in the themes of alien. 2843 02:20:08,840 --> 02:20:11,400 And you know, Jordan Peele hasn't touched gender, but 2844 02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:13,840 obviously he's he's touched class commentary. 2845 02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:16,160 Obviously he's dealt heavily in racial commentary. 2846 02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:20,560 So like, he has the Shyamalan, Hitchcockian, Carpenter, Romero 2847 02:20:20,680 --> 02:20:24,600 style of filmmaking, but he also has the big ideas, the ambitious 2848 02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:27,280 boldness of someone like Ridley Scott and doesn't really seem to 2849 02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:29,080 give a fuck if nobody gets his movies. 2850 02:20:29,360 --> 02:20:32,320 I do think you need that kind of energy to play in this field in 2851 02:20:32,320 --> 02:20:35,360 a respective way to like someone like Ridley Scott. 2852 02:20:35,640 --> 02:20:37,200 If you take Scott's work seriously. 2853 02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:38,560 Which listeners? If you don't like Prometheus or 2854 02:20:38,560 --> 02:20:40,160 Covenant, we have not even talked to you at all. 2855 02:20:40,160 --> 02:20:43,440 I'm sorry I just don't really have any time for people who 2856 02:20:43,440 --> 02:20:44,480 don't treat those movies seriously. 2857 02:20:45,360 --> 02:20:48,120 But I get not liking them because they do are are off 2858 02:20:48,120 --> 02:20:50,720 putting and and try to deconstruct what was mysterious 2859 02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:52,320 about the original aliens. So I get that part. 2860 02:20:52,760 --> 02:20:55,400 But apparently Jordan Peele is also rumored to be running the 2861 02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:58,840 new X-Men franchise for Marvel. That's a huge rumor. 2862 02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:02,240 I think the apparently the the meeting between Jordan Peele and 2863 02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:04,560 and Marvel went poorly because I assumed that he wanted like 2864 02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:07,600 full. To do something interesting. 2865 02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:10,160 He wanted like the autonomy over that script and I doubt he would 2866 02:21:10,160 --> 02:21:12,400 have gotten it and and what that movie would have looked like, 2867 02:21:12,400 --> 02:21:13,880 but Jordan Peele makes sense now. 2868 02:21:13,880 --> 02:21:16,760 If you want to move to different directors who also I think have 2869 02:21:16,760 --> 02:21:20,720 similar thematic interest, Bong Joon Ho comes to mind as someone 2870 02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:22,560 who's done very well with class commentaries. 2871 02:21:22,680 --> 02:21:25,320 He's done sci-fi before with The Host and other movies as well. 2872 02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:29,000 Koganada, if you want to go more indie, did a great job with 2873 02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:31,280 After Yang, and I think he did a great job with Androids. 2874 02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:33,440 Yeah. It's funny you asked me this 2875 02:21:33,440 --> 02:21:34,840 question because I was already prepared. 2876 02:21:34,840 --> 02:21:36,680 Like I was going to ask you the same question at the end. 2877 02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:39,360 So those film makers came to mind. 2878 02:21:39,800 --> 02:21:42,040 Obviously it would be nice to have a woman filmmaker on on 2879 02:21:42,040 --> 02:21:43,520 this movie too. I listened to the big picture. 2880 02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:45,360 I heard Chris and Sean talk about that as well. 2881 02:21:45,960 --> 02:21:49,360 The name they didn't bring up that came to mind first for me 2882 02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:52,640 was Rose Glass. Wow, that would be huge. 2883 02:21:52,880 --> 02:21:55,280 That's my number one, by the way, over Jordan Peele because I 2884 02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,280 kind of want Jordan Peele to do his own John John Carpenter 2885 02:21:57,280 --> 02:21:59,160 thing where he makes original stories from Jordan Peele. 2886 02:21:59,640 --> 02:22:03,000 Rose Glass with love lies bleeding. 2887 02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:04,720 Recently St. Maude. 2888 02:22:04,840 --> 02:22:07,080 She would do wonders with an Alien movie. 2889 02:22:07,160 --> 02:22:09,920 Yeah, I think especially young. Cronenberg vibes. 2890 02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:13,760 Yeah, there's so much body horror elements to the Alien 2891 02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:19,160 universe that Rose Glass is already doing in her work often. 2892 02:22:19,440 --> 02:22:23,680 And I think especially with Alien being a franchise where 2893 02:22:23,840 --> 02:22:28,080 it's really known for having like a a woman character at the 2894 02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:32,440 lead, but yet like the majority, like the is written by men, you 2895 02:22:32,440 --> 02:22:35,080 know, like and and like directed right? 2896 02:22:35,080 --> 02:22:37,720 The the creative control is in men's hands. 2897 02:22:37,720 --> 02:22:42,080 And so a lot of I think interesting questions get lost 2898 02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:47,720 and Rose Glass would be such a great, great director, I think 2899 02:22:47,720 --> 02:22:51,720 in this world. And I I also am forgetting her 2900 02:22:51,720 --> 02:22:56,320 name, but the director of nanny I think would also be great, 2901 02:22:56,320 --> 02:22:59,120 especially like with the class commentary in nanny. 2902 02:22:59,440 --> 02:23:02,640 And I also think that like so many people really recognized 2903 02:23:02,640 --> 02:23:06,200 that movie with it becoming a good criterion right collection 2904 02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:08,840 movie. But I I just think like the kind 2905 02:23:08,840 --> 02:23:10,120 of. She's a professor, right? 2906 02:23:10,120 --> 02:23:12,440 Nikatu Jusu I believe. I think so, yeah, George. 2907 02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:14,920 Mason, Yeah. And I and I think like that 2908 02:23:16,120 --> 02:23:20,440 those components, right, like are really interesting in the 2909 02:23:20,440 --> 02:23:22,080 alien world and already a part of it. 2910 02:23:22,440 --> 02:23:25,600 So it just doesn't make sense that they haven't hired a woman, 2911 02:23:25,640 --> 02:23:29,400 like if they're going to do a new movie in the franchise. 2912 02:23:29,400 --> 02:23:31,520 I mean, there's a lot of great woman film makers that could do 2913 02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:33,120 horror. I mean, Chloe Okuno, who made 2914 02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:37,400 Watcher, is a great director. You had Helena Rain with bodies, 2915 02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:40,000 bodies, bodies. You had, see. 2916 02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:43,760 That's OK. Bodies, bodies, bodies, right? 2917 02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:47,360 We got like a Helena Rain take on this movie. 2918 02:23:47,360 --> 02:23:49,680 The teens would actually be interesting, right? 2919 02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:51,720 It'd be funny too. Yeah, like I could do. 2920 02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:53,360 It's not. Cast would have been a much more 2921 02:23:53,360 --> 02:23:55,200 cooler. Yeah, my criticism, Rachel said 2922 02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:57,840 it would be in an Aliens movie. It's not my criticism. 2923 02:23:58,040 --> 02:24:02,360 Yeah, that, you know, this was a teen cast like it was just that 2924 02:24:02,360 --> 02:24:04,280 the characters were written uninterestingly and 2925 02:24:04,280 --> 02:24:06,280 unfortunately the performers didn't have a lot to do. 2926 02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:09,280 I do think that now that you said Rose Glass, especially 2927 02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:13,320 thinking of love lies, bleeding, I I think someone like, you 2928 02:24:13,320 --> 02:24:15,920 know, Kristen Stewart obviously fits in a world like this. 2929 02:24:15,920 --> 02:24:17,400 She's already done a movie called. 2930 02:24:17,440 --> 02:24:19,280 Underwater. Exactly, I was thinking of that 2931 02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:20,840 too. Essentially like life, you know? 2932 02:24:20,840 --> 02:24:21,880 Remember the movie? Life. 2933 02:24:21,880 --> 02:24:25,400 She just seems like a natural pick for like a a crew member, 2934 02:24:25,400 --> 02:24:26,760 right? They should just do it, yeah. 2935 02:24:26,920 --> 02:24:30,360 But just like thinking of that movie, I would actually love to 2936 02:24:30,360 --> 02:24:33,640 see in the Ripley role or like a Rain role, you know, in the 2937 02:24:33,640 --> 02:24:36,080 future. Katie O'Brien, I think she would 2938 02:24:36,080 --> 02:24:37,160 crush it. Good call. 2939 02:24:37,320 --> 02:24:38,800 Good call. I wish she had a bigger role in 2940 02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:39,680 Twisters. Yeah. 2941 02:24:39,760 --> 02:24:42,000 That would have been good, yeah. All right, that was the extra 2942 02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:45,480 credits of Alien Romulus. We'll be back next week with 2943 02:24:45,480 --> 02:24:49,840 James Cameron's Aliens, which is, I think, the best Alien 2944 02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:52,440 movie we are most critical of, which we've already kind of 2945 02:24:52,440 --> 02:24:54,640 hinted at today. I think it's my fourth favorite 2946 02:24:54,640 --> 02:24:56,320 Alien film, which I know is a hot take. 2947 02:24:57,320 --> 02:25:01,240 I won't be like ripping it apart like I did this movie, you know? 2948 02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:03,800 It's fun and I recognize it as fun. 2949 02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:06,360 Yep, we'll be back for that bug hunt pretty soon. 2950 02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:09,160 All right, this has been Trey. And this is Kelsey Peace. 2951 02:25:09,480 --> 02:25:09,720 Bye.