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The Hello welcome to the extra 
credits of the pit season 2 I'm 

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Trey and. 
I'm Kelsey. 

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We've never actually covered the
pit, but it feels like we have 

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in spirit. 
Like I feel like we've always 

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feel like we're always talking 
about the pit, but though we've 

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never talked about it on the 
podcast. 

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Did we not cover it when? 
No, I think the last TV shows 

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we've covered in between our 
beloved Succession and now have 

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have been The Bear and. 
Strangers. 

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Oh, I was thinking of the bear. 
Yeah. 

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OK, Yeah. 
This is a bear adjacent show I 

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would say though the pit is 
better I think. 

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I think so too. 
Yeah, I think. 

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I love the bear. 
Yeah, the pit like captures what

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everyone loved and kind of the 
wonder of the last episode of, I

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think season 1 of the Bear. 
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was, but yeah, I think like that
energy is running through the 

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pit and and, you know, the the 
pit also like has a cheat code 

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of being in a a place that is 
like so high stress and you get 

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to like have seamless character 
development while having 

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something that is like 
consistently like I I guess just

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like intriguing, heartbreaking, 
shocking, hard to watch. 

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Yeah. 
It's comfort TV, but it's also 

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incredibly stressful and 
something that I want to come 

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home to every week, but also 
something that is putting me, 

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like making me sit in discomfort
for an hour. 

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And I experienced that like 
heavy last night in the theater 

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when we should say we saw the 
Season 2 finale early last 

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night. 
We were one of the 10 theaters 

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in the country that was able to 
see it early, which was really 

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exciting. 
I didn't know how that was going

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to be going into it. 
But I will say that I think we 

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should be watching every season 
finale of all of our favorite 

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shows in a theater, and I'd be 
happy to pay for it. 

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We have been talking about this 
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We were like, you know, 
especially covering Succession 

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since it was such a huge show. 
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and it was so cinematic that we 
were like, why is this not in 

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theaters? 
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like the penultimate and and 
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openers, right? 
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see them in in theaters. 
Maybe one day like they'll you 

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know how they rerun anniversary 
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Maybe they'll do that with 
something like succession. 

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I would, I would definitely be 
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interested I guess because we 
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huge following of the pit or 
like, yes, we do. 

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Obviously it's a popular show, 
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everyone's relationship to it as
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people are so like involved 
online. 

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That's a good point though, 
because we do get a lot of 

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numbers from streaming servers 
who are like streaming services 

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who are like, yeah, 10 million 
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Things and you're like, did 10 
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Stranger Things or did the same 
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episode 4 times? 
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night to be in theatre that was 
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I don't think there was an empty
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And then everybody collectively 
laughing, crying, having an 

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incredible time, stuck in a room
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People were vocal like, people 
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Yeah, it was actively watching 
it on the couch. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
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for programmers to bring their 
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So stranger. 
Things in theaters. 

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They did it as well. 
We. 

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Just didn't go. 
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We didn't really miss out there.
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a great show. 
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ultimately pro watching the pit 
in the theater. 

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I guess we had different 
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Like I yes, I liked it, I want 
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unable to watch it in the same 
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Like I think when I watch TVI 
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you and so I I don't know what 
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a person who was a pro promoter 
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studio. 
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Video taping the crowd. 
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don't. 
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Like I don't want your flash on 
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I thought he was looking for 
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using some kind of like device. 
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binoculars. 
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red player in them. 
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phones in this. 
Screening, which is fair. 

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Yeah, We put it in like a bag 
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We've seen early screenings of 
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never seen. 
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Yeah, for critics screenings, 
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you know, it's usually like the 
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for a particular studio who will
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certain screening and they'll 
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but they'll just like watch you,
you know, it's not like in a bag

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or anything. 
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critics screening, like we all 
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How to act? 
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take our phones out. 
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like have pen and paper and and 
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Like, but I think that in a 
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general public audience like 
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A good point, Yeah. 
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OK, so if you're listening to 
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the season 2 finale. 
I apologize if it seems like 

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we're not excited. 
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watching that because we just 
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So we've had a little bit of 
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Season 2 finale. 
What do you think? 

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Immediate reaction. 
Well, I did a lot, Yeah. 

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I thought it was like one of the
most emotionally satisfying 

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episodes of the show. 
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like singing in theaters too, 
right? 

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But like, I, yeah, I think 
coming out of it, I was like, I 

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wasn't able to take it in as 
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the couch. 
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of how it's supposed to be, you 
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the camera before the the like 
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We saw the kind of like HBO 
behind the scenes, which I'm 

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sure is like available on HBO. 
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that they built right to like 
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the the like hospital, like ER. 
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immersed more so than I have 
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And I, but I, I don't know, I 
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Like I was emotional, but like, 
you were definitely crying more 

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than me. 
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emotionally impacted by by the 
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it was. 
That was really good. 

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And they left us in a really 
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feeling resolution for things 
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didn't know if they'd be able to
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And then kind of like, you know,
also wanting more and being 

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curious going into Season 3. 
What about you? 

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Were you surprised? 
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I mean, I was really immersed. 
Things that, like usually make 

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me a little bit sad on the couch
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me cry in the theatre because 
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different. 
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in a theatre is just an 
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being at home, even though we 
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It's just, it's not comparable 
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forget about this when it comes 
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Succession or even The Bear. 
These are very, very cinematic 

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shows. 
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people like them. 
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not just the characters, the 
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and the crew, the cast and crew,
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of these shows. 
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Emmys, the reason why they last 
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want them to continue being made
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And I think sometimes we credit 
television, which is more of a 

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2000s opinion to me, that 
television has a really good 

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plot. 
It has a really good plot 

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mechanics. 
People come back for twists and 

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turns and character arcs over 
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But now I think audiences have 
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good things from, you know, the 
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seat of their home, that I think
their expectation for TV shows 

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is that is that they have to 
feel like movies. 

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Stranger Things has been like 
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long time, too. 
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reminder that T VS gotten so 
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should be watched in theaters, 
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I'm not sure what that says 
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It's probably not good, but it 
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for me to watch this in a 
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And I think I was a little bit 
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I've never watched the Pit with 
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To your point, I was a little 
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people laugh at The Pit. 
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It was like being, I feel like I
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because every time a joke was 
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laughter, there was a laugh 
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that I would just smile at, if 
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I think I only laughed at like 
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pretty seriously, but not in a 
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I like I just feel like this is 
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going through a really hard time
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and that is like AI feel like an
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Obviously not a profession quite
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and an ER, but people probably 
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What we need under resourced, 
yeah. 

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Like under resourced public 
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There's no shortage of things to
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Dealing with emotionally 
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basis, but there's a spectrum of
of trauma, obviously. 

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But like, so maybe that's why I 
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But you know, not to say I don't
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in the pit to me is usually the 
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But I was just hearing a lot of 
laughter and not as much tears, 

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but people were obviously very 
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So I thought it was a great 
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And I think it also just like 
understood what, you know, we 

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love so much about the show, 
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Season 1 was such a focus on 
throwing you into this immersive

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environment. 
It was such a focus on the 

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patients in Season 2, took a 
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of those ideas and stuck more on
the character arcs, more on how 

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they knew audiences were sort of
obsessed and with this like 

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fandom parasocial relationship 
that we have to the characters 

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of the Pit. 
I think for good and bad, which 

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we can get to in terms of 
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But ultimately, I thought this 
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I think it knew what it was 
because the way the season ended

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was kind of like pandering to 
that fandom, like Santos and Mel

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doing karaoke and the credits. 
I love that. 

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That was awesome. 
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telling of where the show is 
going, which it needs that 

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fandom to exist and to continue 
getting funded, which I think is

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really interesting. 
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to 

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like jump into comparing Season 
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We can right now. 
Should we? 

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I think we should. 
I think yeah, we should. 

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And then we can kind of go into 
Season 2 and and last episode. 

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Because we did the crazy thing, 
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while starting season 2 and then
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they came out each week and then
basically planning our schedule 

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around when like season 2 
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Yeah, and I mean, I think the 
trick of the pit too is like, 

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you know, the having a whole 
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though I knew it was coming 
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So anyway, but yeah, I mean, I 
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think that it's like hard to 
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like the, the showrunners were 
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there. 
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1 that you can't really live up 
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So it's not like totally fair to
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They really shot their shot 
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Season 1, yeah, you can't just 
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again, for example, I mean, I 
loved season 1. 

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the the characters, but also 
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each other. 
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and Giovanni new intern like 
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like very it didn't jump too 

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quickly into the the 
characterization. 

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to your point, it felt a little 
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they were reacting to audiences 
relationships, to the characters

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that they had maybe been seeing 
online. 

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The writers are online, yes. 

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The writers are online. 
That's the best way to put it. 

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And so, yeah, I I think there 
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well, that didn't feel like 
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character like might actually 
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because we were like, nothing's 
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not we binge to the first 
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worried there but it picked up 
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I would say it picked up like 
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I'm like, I don't know, I guess 
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episodes of season 2 were like 
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Like I was like, where's this 
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Like I can't actually tell. 
It feels like it's lost. 

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special. 
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perspective on it. 
Like Season 1 was special not 

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only because of what Kelsey said
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pressure and exhaustion and loss
and compromise with different 

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personalities stuck in this, you
know, ER room led by people who 

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It didn't really care about a 
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It cared about its patients. 
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true. 
But the patient centered focus 

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of Season 1 was so interesting. 
I liked how the cases were the 

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emotional core. 
It reminded me the best seasons 

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of House, the TV show that takes
place in a hospital. 

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It remind me the best show, the 
best episodes of Friday Night 

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Lights where it's like a a 
player dilemma focus or you 

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know, Gilmore Girls when I've 
watched that with you, it's. 

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So funny that like you didn't 
say Grey's Anatomy because you 

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haven't seen Grey's Anatomy. 
I haven't. 

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That's like the the I think the 
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people's lives. 
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episodes of that I think is, is 
to your point like focused on 

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the the patients as characters. 
Exactly. 

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by making the patients the 
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And I felt so connected to not 
only the characters that I was 

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being introduced to as sort of a
surrogate for myself. 

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Like watching Whitaker be sort 
of surprised by all these 

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patients or accidentally, you 
know, not misreading or 

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misdiagnosing that man who 
passes in Season 1 and how that 

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affects him and you as an 
audience member because he's 

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sort of a surrogate. 
And that performer, so great 

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with those like innocent puppy 
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has. 
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about doing that, like letting 
us meet people that felt real, 

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learning the stakes in the 
hospital through them. 

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Season 2 ultimately flips that, 
where it's far more about how 

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you said, like the characters 
were. 

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It does feel like the writers 
are entirely online where they 

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want us to be connected to the 
staff as the anchor of the show,

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which I think is like less 
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then it becomes about like 
interpersonal dynamics in a 

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workplace That I thought was 
like a fun subtext of Season 1, 

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or I guess that's not the right 
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Season 1, which is the dynamic 
between the employees, sort of 

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like a workplace dramedy. 
But I came first of all for the 

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tension of what it would be like
to work in a broken healthcare 

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system in America through the 
lens of this Pittsburgh ER and 

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how patients were treated or not
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certain cases. 
And so, yeah, I, I guess I was a

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little disappointed at the 
beginning of Season 2. 

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That was so much about the 
characters. 

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Yeah, I agree. 
And I think like, for example, 

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in season 1, we had like the kid
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but he like took a drug that was
laced. 

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I I think and his like his 
parents were, you know, in. 

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He was like Adderall or 
something. 

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Yeah, his parents were in. 
No, I think it was something 

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else. 
But anyway, but his parents were

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in the episodes for like a 
couple episodes. 

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And then we also got introduced 
to the the woman that he was 

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like studying with in college. 
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came in. 
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tension there. 
And then also there was a lot of

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like learning in terms of the, 
the interns with like Doctor 

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McKay, for example, of the 
there, there was one patient 

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where you're like wondering, is 
there like a trafficking 

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situation going on and, and 
seeing like Mckay's like 

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reaction to that. 
And then also the woman who came

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in with like a burn ray and she 
was unhoused. 

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And then basically like McKay 
teaching Javadi like to 

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basically like see a situation 
out and not just like jump to 

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conclusions. 
Like they were like different 

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things. 
You're right that were centered 

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around patients that felt 
seamless and natural because 

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they were dilemmas presented in 
these like medical cases. 

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Yeah, character development 
through the patients. 

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Exactly. 
Yeah. 

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So it felt less like forced than
like what you're saying in 

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Season 2 of like, what, what is 
this, you know, doctor going to 

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do next? 
It was more in Season 1. 

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It felt like we saw a lot of 
like learning similar to what 

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they were doing with Ogilvy's 
character. 

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I think I'm saying his name 
right in Season 2. 

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And shout out Joy. 
We'll talk about Joy in a 

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second, Lovejoy. 
Joy haters hate to see me coming

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because I am such a fucking. 
I'm sure they exist. 

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I know that there were Joy 
critics when she first was 

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introduced on the scene. 
Her sort of like off putting 

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self interested attitude of like
work is work. 

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As soon as I saw her I was like 
I want to work with that person.

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I think honestly, the way my 
relationship to Joy and who I 

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think Joy is as a character is 
how a lot of people see Santos 

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until Season 2, where it was a 
little bit revealed that Santos 

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has some other things, some 
other demons that are, you know,

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affecting her in a negative way.
But Joy really is like, you 

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know, I'm here to help, I'm here
to do my job. 

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But this is I I have boundaries 
which I appreciate. 

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Yeah, yeah, which is certainly a
thing to do on your first day, 

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but yeah, no. 
OK. 

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So like, yeah, I think that's 
the biggest difference right, 

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between season 1 and 2 and I and
I also think there was like a 

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lot of things in season 1 that 
were, I think they were like 

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characters dealing with their 
own medical things. 

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What it what is the name of the 
Doctor Who Robbie and her were 

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like? 
Oh yeah. 

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Together and Heather Collins. 
Yes, Doctor Collins and I loved 

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her and her like, you know, 
going through figuring out that 

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she's like pregnant to trying to
navigate that in the workplace. 

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And then I think that she has a 
miscarriage. 

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Right, Right. 
So I, but I, I just, yeah. 

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Anyway, I thought season 1 was 
like like almost perfect season.

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Right. 
And I do have criticisms of both

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seasons, to be clear, that we'll
talk about a little bit later. 

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But yeah. 
But so then that's why it's hard

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to compare Season 2, but we can 
talk about Season 2. 

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And then I think we should also,
like you said, like we should 

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talk about who we would like to 
work with in terms of the 

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characters and who our favorite 
characters are 'cause I think 

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those are two different 
conversations. 

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I do have a top ten favorite 
characters for me already made 

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for a TikTok I'm doing later 
this week. 

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So maybe we can end the pod with
those those thoughts. 

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But yeah, I guess season 2 also 
just kind of like there was a 

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lot of obsession over like 
picking sides, like doctors 

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picking what side they're on 
between like all Ashimi and like

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no Wiley's character Robbie. 
Like different characters 

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switching different sides or 
pivoting or obsessing over like 

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dynamics between one another or.
Is that also like yelling in the

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middle of the workplace, which 
is super unrealistic and I 

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wonder if that. 
Is like, is what's happening to 

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the pit or television in like 
shows like the Stranger Things 

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that like dynamic with like what
fans are expecting out of that 

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show? 
Is what's happening is that 

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fandom is influencing TV or is 
TV so plugged in as to continue 

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making television and and profit
needs to be plugged in and 

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manufacture A fandom to exist? 
If that makes sense. 

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So like, is The Pit Season 2 
doing what it's doing and other 

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television shows like it because
they're responding to a 

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parasocial obsession that 
audiences have with television 

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and characters because of the 
way the digital era has ruined 

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our minds when it comes to like 
relationships to reality versus 

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like fiction, which is the 
Internet. 

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So is that like an organic thing
that's emerged out of the 

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digital era or is it TV shows 
manufacturing that fandom, if 

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that makes sense. 
Does that question make sense? 

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Yeah, it makes sense. 
I think I it's like a little bit

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of both, you know? 
Because the fandoms for the pit 

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is fucking insane. 
Like I don't know if people have

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been logged in taking a look at 
what people who are fans of. 

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I mean, we're fans, we're doing 
an episode, but the fandom and 

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like the theorizing of this show
and who's being shipped with who

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and what twist is happening. 
Who's really going to die of 

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suicide if it's not Robbie? 
It's like fucking crazy. 

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Like if you just go on any 
Reddit page for the Pit, I don't

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recommend it, but there's a 
there's a huge cohort of people.

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A lot of the crew in cast and 
crew have been asked questions 

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about this, about how intense 
the fandom is to the Pit. 

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Interesting, I didn't know there
were like so many theories just 

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flying around. 
Yeah, OK. 

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Anyways, I think that's really 
hurt this show and I hope they 

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pivot away from that and kind of
stay offline a little bit. 

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Yeah, OK. 
So I thought it would be 

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interesting to it's hard to talk
about television when they're 

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there this many episodes. 
So I first I was like, let's 

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just go through every episode. 
There's 15 episodes, 15 hours in

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a day. 
That's the whole conceit of the 

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pit is that you're spending 15 
hours with these people or like 

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a double shift. 
But I thought it would be more 

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interesting to go through some 
of the characters. 

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I think that's how we do it. 
I think we go through the 

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character arcs. 
Yeah, it might be a little like 

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tedious to go through, like 
every case essentially. 

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But I thought it would be fun, 
before we even do that, to ask a

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general question about The Pit 
that I've seen discussed online 

451
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:58,080
that I think is actually really 
interesting way to approach a 

452
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,720
good TV show like this that 
doesn't really have a 

453
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,960
protagonist. 
Because I think Robbie is a 

454
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,240
central character, but I 
actually don't know if he is the

455
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,640
if there is a protagonist in The
Pit. 

456
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,080
Is there an antagonist in The 
Pit? 

457
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,040
Is there a villain? 
Is there is there some somebody 

458
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,680
that people like to come back to
the show to watch to see how 

459
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,880
they create tension or suspense 
in this show? 

460
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,640
Because I think it's season 1, 
they try to create a few 

461
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,360
different antagonist like 
figures. 

462
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,920
I think so too. 
The woman who is the admin 

463
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,040
figure of season 1 was often 
getting yelled at a lot and then

464
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,120
used as sort of like a symbolic,
almost like symbolic of an 

465
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:38,040
institution rather than an 
individual who is just like 

466
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,480
probably doing their job the 
best of their ability and was 

467
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,840
really stressed the fuck out. 
Like everybody else who was 

468
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,520
getting blamed for like nurse 
strikes and everything that 

469
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,240
obviously it's not this one 
individual's fault. 

470
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,920
But or like even to a certain 
point, Langdon was sort of 

471
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,160
viewed as a a villain like 
figure to the end of season 1. 

472
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,200
Or he sort of, I know that's 
it's not that binary. 

473
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,360
Like you could just say they're 
flawed figures, but usually TV 

474
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:02,600
shows like this need a quote UN 
quote. 

475
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,080
Well, yeah, You're like, who 
are. 

476
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,520
Yeah. 
Who are like the audience 

477
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,240
members, like rallying around, 
doing like, something that that 

478
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,680
they like, disagree with 
essentially. 

479
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,320
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

480
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,320
I mean, I, I, I agree. 
Like, I don't think it has a 

481
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,560
protagonist, but antagonist is 
interesting. 

482
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,960
Yeah. 
To your point, like, I think, 

483
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,360
you know, we've talked about 
this before about the reason we 

484
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:28,120
also love the pit also like as 
public workers is looking at the

485
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:31,520
like institutional factors, 
right, that are constraining, 

486
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,800
like these workers that are, you
know, they went into it more 

487
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,320
this season, which we'll talk 
about with Orlando's character 

488
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,760
of not being able to like afford
healthcare. 

489
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,320
And then also like the the 
really like tough spot that a 

490
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,520
lot of the healthcare workers 
are put in because they have to 

491
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,040
like adhere to this place that 
they're working in, but they 

492
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,680
still want to help people and 
like legally, like what can they

493
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,160
do? 
So there there's a little bit 

494
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,920
more of that in season 2, but to
your point, like season 1, those

495
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,200
were like some of the criticisms
that that we had. 

496
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,400
Besides, I know I said it's like
basically a perfect, you know, 

497
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,240
season of television. 
I meant more so like 

498
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,160
emotionally, I think in Season 
1, making like the villain 

499
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,600
character where Robbie's like 
yelling at a woman, like who is 

500
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,400
in this admin position, who by 
the way, he like he's a white 

501
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,760
man, she's a black woman. 
Like it just was just a strange 

502
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,680
I think. 
Intentional optics, though. 

503
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,920
I think they're trying to 
express something with Robbie 

504
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,880
that they've doubled down on in 
Season 2. 

505
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,840
Yes, but but in season 1 he was 
like seen as this kind of like 

506
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:39,040
heroic figure of the, you know, 
the pit of the ER and that he 

507
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,960
was like real for calling it the
pit. 

508
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,120
And and she was like, can we not
call it the pit? 

509
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:47,160
Because we, you know, like don't
like the the kind of like, I 

510
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,360
guess things that that that 
calls to calls to mind and like 

511
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,080
whatever. 
And he anyway, so like that 

512
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,520
whole aspect of of for the first
season and kind of making her 

513
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,640
like the villainous character, 
which I mean, like you already 

514
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,520
said it, but like it made it 
more seemingly individualistic 

515
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,080
when the show was trying to have
a institutional perspective. 

516
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,240
And I think it ultimately like 
does get at that. 

517
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,720
But it was just a strange 
rating, I think. 

518
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,680
And like not really helpful for 
what the show is trying to do 

519
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,720
ultimately. 
And then the second thing that 

520
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,000
we continuously talked about, 
like during Season 1 and the 

521
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,560
first time we watched it and the
rewatch, so I felt like the same

522
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,200
about it both ways or both times
I watched, it was Robbie and 

523
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,800
Mckay's conversations about the 
kid who they thought was like 

524
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,240
the shooter. 
Oh yes. 

525
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,920
They totally mishandled that and
yes and so. 

526
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,400
But Robbie was like, he's on 
incel. 

527
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,400
Yeah, if you remember, Yeah, 
he's. 

528
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,000
Just a kid trying to figure it 
out. 

529
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,280
Yeah. 
We all wanted to kill a bunch of

530
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,400
people. 
Just wild. 

531
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,080
So, so in in Season 1, for 
people who didn't rewatch it, 

532
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,160
remember, there was like a kid 
who came in and the mom 

533
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,160
actually, like, came in, made 
herself sick because she was 

534
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,600
worried about her kid because he
wrote a list of girls that he 

535
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,120
wanted to harm at his school. 
Runs away. 

536
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:13,240
He's 18, you know, by the way. 
And Robbie's like, well, you 

537
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,080
know what, Like, maybe he'll 
come back. 

538
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,200
Yeah, I'm worried about him. 
But it was like, focused on him.

539
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,600
And McKay was like, well #1 
like, this is actually like a 

540
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,160
problem that we need to address.
It's not just like, let's wait 

541
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,600
and see, but also she wasn't 
like she wasn't like 

542
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,440
immediately, like let's get the 
the police involved. 

543
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,920
She was, but she was like, yes, 
like we need to like this is 

544
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,400
kind of an urgent thing, right? 
Where he was kind of treating it

545
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,040
more as like, well. 
Like you said, it seems like 

546
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,160
you're profiling him. 
Yeah, it was wild. 

547
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,600
And so I think. 
It's exactly what's happening. 

548
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,120
And then when and then later on,
Robbie at one point in in season

549
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:52,560
1 is like, you know, you're 
right. 

550
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,160
This actually is an urgent issue
and they make her use like the 

551
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,480
the kind of reasoning of like, 
well, when you've been at the 

552
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,600
hands of like domestic violence 
or like violence, like gender 

553
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,680
based violence, basically right 
that then like you would maybe 

554
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,560
like think this is more urgent. 
So they like use that. 

555
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,680
And then he's like, you know 
what, you're right. 

556
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,280
But then at the end of season 1,
they flip it again. 

557
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,200
They have another sort sort of 
like weird, yeah, weird writers 

558
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,760
room thing where you can tell 
there was maybe just like 

559
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,760
different thoughts on this 
because he he says like, you're 

560
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,920
right. 
And then at the the very end, 

561
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,520
he's like, this is your problem.
You created this mess to to 

562
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,440
McKay, like go in and talk to 
this child and you make it 

563
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,280
right. 
And then they kind of make her 

564
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,320
almost like apologize to the 
kid. 

565
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,480
Like, ultimately, yeah, he 
didn't. 

566
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,960
He didn't, you know, commit like
mass violence. 

567
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,680
It also perpetuates this idea 
that woman or falsely accusing 

568
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,120
men of crimes that didn't 
commit, which is just a strange 

569
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,440
thing to perpetuate. 
Yeah, I thought that was. 

570
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,560
Very so politically weird. 
Yeah, this is your 

571
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,480
responsibility now. 
So anyway, so that, that whole, 

572
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,400
I guess like dilemma, it's like 
one of my least favorite parts 

573
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,160
of season 1. 
But yeah, I, I, I think that in 

574
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,640
season 1 there was also Langdon,
which we, which I, I'm glad they

575
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,480
cleared up in season 2 because a
lot of people were like, yeah, 

576
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,440
this huge divide, which I did 
see online between like Santos 

577
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,320
and Langdon and. 
It wasn't just clearing it up. 

578
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,880
They were just like Santos, take
a seat, Langdon, you are back 

579
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,600
and we are redeeming your 
character. 

580
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,680
That's basically what happened 
for all of Season 2. 

581
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,320
Yeah. 
And it was weird because it's 

582
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,520
like, I like that Santos is an 
imperfect character who was 

583
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,240
still like, you know, reporting 
like something that she felt 

584
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,320
like could harm patients but 
ultimately also was kind of an 

585
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,400
asshole, too. 
And Langdon was also an asshole 

586
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,920
like. 
I would like to have a Langdon 

587
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,560
versus Santos conversation later
on. 

588
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,720
OK, yeah but like with Langdon 
in season 2, they were also 

589
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:56,560
addressing the fact that like he
is dealing with his shit and 

590
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320
like Robbie isn't. 
So I like that they finally like

591
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,000
addressed that in the last 
episode of season 2. 

592
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000
That might be one of the best 
moments of the season. 

593
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,920
Yeah, I think so. 
LinkedIn and Robbie's face, like

594
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,480
telling him like it is like 
you're also suffering from 

595
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,320
something that is weighing down 
the staff. 

596
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,880
You've become the machinery that
you're so critical of. 

597
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,120
With that backpack ad, did you 
see the backpack ad? 

598
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,040
No, I did not. 
I did. 

599
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,600
I did clock how clear they tried
to make that. 

600
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,640
He was holding the hat that he 
walked in with and also wearing 

601
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,920
a backpack. 
That he, oh, I didn't see the 

602
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,160
hat, but he had AI forgot. 
I don't know how to pronounce 

603
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,000
the company's name, but it 
starts with AD and it's like a 

604
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,680
very popular backpack because I 
was looking for different 

605
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:39,440
camping and hiking backpacks. 
But that was yeah. 

606
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,440
So season 2 villain, I guess we 
could just say it's the 

607
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,000
machinery it is like I. 
Think it's Robbie though. 

608
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,880
So that's what I was going to 
say. 

609
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,360
Robbie is the tension of Season 
2 and I think it becomes more 

610
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,920
clear that he was also the 
tension of Season 1 after 

611
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,640
watching Season 2, even though I
think this system itself, as you

612
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,480
said with the Orlando Diaz 
character who is the clearest 

613
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,000
example of this. 
This inability to afford care 

614
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,280
while you're still a functioning
person should not lead you to 

615
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,560
your death or potentially even 
like causing harm to yourself as

616
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,560
to get out of medical debts. 
And what that does in terms of 

617
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,720
imposing a responsibility on 
medical, medical or healthcare 

618
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,120
professionals to do something 
that they're probably not even 

619
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,200
trained to do, which is like 
offer financial advice, except, 

620
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,920
you know, when they get their 
obviously their financial 

621
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,320
advisors or, you know, whoever 
lawyers to come talk to 

622
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,080
patients. 
But I think it was this season 

623
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,520
did a really good job for me 
being critical of it when it 

624
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,880
when I said it was about the 
characters. 

625
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,160
It does a really good job of 
being like, we're going to shift

626
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,600
inward this season and make it 
more about the staff and the 

627
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,760
patients in terms of what 
they're experiencing when it 

628
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,600
comes to the exposure to this 
healthcare environment. 

629
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,200
And I think they do a good job 
of, of stamping this thesis, 

630
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,280
even if sometimes a thesis in 
the pit needs to say it out loud

631
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,480
and, and shout it to like the 
camera. 

632
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,360
I think they do a good job of 
being like, the system punishes 

633
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,400
stability and it rewards 
collapse. 

634
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,960
I think that was like really 
effective and to do things like 

635
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,280
even seeing like ICE come in and
turn treatment into like this 

636
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,200
secondary concern where the ICE 
agents care more about this like

637
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,720
state sanctioned violence and 
incarceration or even this cyber

638
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,600
attack that you know, exposes 
the fragility of this 

639
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,280
institution and its 
infrastructure. 

640
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,960
There's so many examples outside
of just the insurance gaps or 

641
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,400
the lack of insurance that is 
forcing these worst outcomes 

642
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,360
that kind of underline this 
show's thesis that the American 

643
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,200
healthcare industry is a fucking
monster and it's killing people,

644
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,600
It's not saving people. 
So they do a really good job of 

645
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,480
basically making the antagonist 
that, which feels, I like that 

646
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,440
it's a little bit more political
and concrete and something like 

647
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,960
the bear, where the bear is like
the antagonist is like the 

648
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,200
inability to grieve and like 
trauma, which is a little bit 

649
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,200
too abstract for me. 
And so the bear sort of loses me

650
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,960
through all the seasons because 
it's so repetitive about those 

651
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,640
ideas where this show, I feel 
like it could literally go on 

652
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,120
for 35 years or like forever 
until the American healthcare 

653
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,400
industry until it's basically 
like free healthcare for all 

654
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,000
like that. 
That's how long this show could 

655
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,560
go on for, which is wild. 
Yeah, And I think, you know, 

656
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,360
while they could focus on it 
like even more with like 

657
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,680
Orlando's character, I think 
that in season 2, like Samira's 

658
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,800
kind of dilemma of trying to 
keep Orlando in the hospital to 

659
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,440
receive care, but also like 
understanding that he can't 

660
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,160
afford it. 
And then again, it's like 

661
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,880
paradox that like when he comes 
back in and essentially is going

662
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,640
to have a long term disability 
and possibly be paralyzed. 

663
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,360
Now Healthcare is becoming more 
affordable like that. 

664
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,480
You know, that whole like just 
tragic situation that they look 

665
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,960
at in in season 2, kind of like 
makes I think probably broader 

666
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,520
audiences think about or like it
just highlights the all the 

667
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,800
other bills that people are 
paying for just like coming in 

668
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,760
for like a burn or anyone who's 
being rushed up to surgery. 

669
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,280
Like what is that bill going to 
look like? 

670
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,080
Like of course, I think they 
could like double down on it 

671
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,480
even more. 
And how we shame people truly in

672
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,120
the United States for like, 
taking help or support the way 

673
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,480
that he was like rejecting the 
GoFundMe from his daughter as to

674
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,719
what that that might suggest. 
Because America is supposed to 

675
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,159
be a country of hard working 
people who who get money and 

676
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:18,840
they buy whatever they can to 
try to live a life in America. 

677
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,360
And that's how our system works 
here. 

678
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,600
It's based on meritocracy and 
how hard you actually put out 

679
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,040
effort into the world when 
reality we see how corrupt it 

680
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,840
is. 
Yeah, I thought that was really 

681
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,199
well done too, in a subtle way. 
Yeah, definitely. 

682
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,520
And I think, you know, we 
always, even since season 1, 

683
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,159
we're like, what is this Bill 
going to be? 

684
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,360
You know, like for people who 
are just being rushed up to 

685
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,679
surgery. 
So yeah, I'm glad that they 

686
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520
addressed that in in Season 2. 
And they do a good job of like 

687
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,760
subtextually, people have so 
much hostility toward the pit, 

688
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,600
like the ER, the hospital in 
general. 

689
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,719
And people are so afraid. 
I, I use this when we go through

690
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,040
like we talk about healthcare as
an industry and some of my 

691
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,840
classes I often talk about like 
how like I prompt my students to

692
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,640
think about, OK, you're an 
adult. 

693
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,080
You get into a car accident. 
The first thing you know, you 

694
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,600
think about is insurance. 
You think about like, what's 

695
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,280
what it's going to cost to fix 
your car. 

696
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,360
Now imagine that was your body. 
It's insane that the first thing

697
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,600
you think about if you break an 
arm is like, what is this going 

698
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,960
to cost me? 
And it's just like an 

699
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,960
interesting way that we have 
normalized the commodification 

700
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,640
of healthcare in America and the
commercialization of it. 

701
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,360
Anyways, the show does a good 
job of like gently kind of 

702
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,360
exploring that without being too
weirdly, without being too 

703
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,000
explicit about it because the 
show is so didactic and it's 

704
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,720
politics. 
It's like screaming it at you 

705
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,080
and polemic about it verse this 
commentary. 

706
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,880
I think it does a very good job 
of people who are like waiting 

707
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,800
in the ER. 
They're so angry, not at these 

708
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,880
doctors or these nurses or these
healthcare professionals, but 

709
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,240
they're angry at this fucking 
machinery that they have to like

710
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,960
sit in this bureaucracy and how 
much it's going to fucking cost 

711
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,800
them and change their life 
possibly. 

712
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,760
And I think at one point during 
this season, because we got so 

713
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,400
many of the, the people who are 
like on the ground, who are like

714
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,720
driving the ambulance and and 
doing like on site care that you

715
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,280
were like, oh, like, I wonder 
what their storyline is, right? 

716
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,800
Or people like flying people in 
through the helicopter. 

717
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,680
And I, and I think like there, 
you know, is so much more to be 

718
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,880
done. 
Like the season will go on. 

719
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,640
The seasons will go on, I'm 
sure, for a long time, Like it's

720
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,600
our new Grey's Anatomy or new 
whatever medical show where they

721
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,760
could do things like, you know, 
when they're coming to a scene, 

722
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,800
someone like denies an 
ambulance, right? 

723
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,880
Like, because of the cost and 
like there are people who you 

724
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,760
know. 
I think they did do that once. 

725
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,160
Oh, did they do that? 
Yeah, I think somebody said we 

726
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,280
did drive him here like 
something like that, one of the 

727
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,600
patients. 
Oh, OK, because they didn't want

728
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,640
to do an. 
Ambulance Well, yeah, I, I guess

729
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,400
like, I was just thinking like, 
especially at like sporting 

730
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,120
events, you know, if you're in 
like, especially with like 

731
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,320
public schools, if you're in an 
area of like a, or you're like 

732
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,200
playing a team who has like 
wealthier like parents or, or 

733
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,360
county, it's like people are 
like, oh, let's get an 

734
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,760
ambulance. 
And there I, I just think there 

735
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,920
could be like tensions between 
people not understanding like 

736
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,720
what an ambulance even costs. 
I would like literally take a 

737
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,040
moneyball season of the pit 
where we were just in the 

738
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,680
accounting office of the 
hospital just to see how because

739
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,360
I imagine that the people are 
stressed the fuck out trying to 

740
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,960
lower the bills of patients. 
Like I genuinely think they're 

741
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,880
probably very good people 
working in those spaces and 

742
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,880
hospitals who are trying their 
best, when in reality who were 

743
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,520
all angry out is the insurance 
companies, not necessarily those

744
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,040
who are working in the hospital,
which is like for profit, but 

745
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,800
also has a lot of government 
subsidies. 

746
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,440
So it is like heavily state 
funded. 

747
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,880
So sometimes I think we can like
this show isn't done a good 

748
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,720
enough job with that yet, which 
is like how patients are really 

749
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:47,520
angry at what insurance has done
to our bills when it comes to 

750
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,120
hospital. 
So I literally think there be a 

751
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,720
moneyball season of the show. 
I don't think they'll do that 

752
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:54,960
because I don't think it would 
be like cinematic, as we've 

753
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,200
talked. 
About Take an episode 2. 

754
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,760
Seasons, yeah, I think they 
could definitely go into that A.

755
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Night Shift season where they do
a spinoff episode. 

756
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,320
The last thing I want to say 
about like kind of the the real 

757
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,440
world quote UN quote like 
aspects of the pet is that I 

758
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,040
appreciate they like, you know, 
kind of address a lot of like 

759
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,800
different issues that like 
intersect with the their 

760
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,600
patients lives like in that that
they're treating like the 

761
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,600
trafficking right, or like they 
they did a case with like a 

762
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:31,080
sexual assault this season. 
But in like season 1, I would 

763
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,960
say like broadly like the mass 
shooting is like something that 

764
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:39,160
they were trying to tackle and 
do that extended with the McKay 

765
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,240
Robbie conversations about the 
the kid right. 

766
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,960
And then the in season 2, like 
it felt like it was, yeah, what 

767
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,320
we've been talking about in 
terms of the exploitative like 

768
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,800
system of like just the 
healthcare system. 

769
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,680
And then also, you know, with 
the the episode with ice, like 

770
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,280
it just felt that one felt weird
and not well done though, 

771
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,040
because Robbie takes a moral 
stance on so many other issues 

772
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,880
in the pit. 
And when that happened, he was 

773
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,360
like, can you just leave? 
So I can like, so we can like 

774
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,880
have this, ER, operating like, 
can it just, it felt like a very

775
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,560
strange kind of like speech for 
him to give like posturing. 

776
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,320
Kind of speech, because he does 
it. 

777
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,000
He does it with the paramedics. 
Is that the right word? 

778
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,800
The people who were driving the 
ambulance. 

779
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,720
Later in the film, the doctors 
are working on the ambulance 

780
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,000
but. 
Oh yeah, that was so like, I 

781
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,080
understand because he was 
talking to two men. 

782
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,920
Is it a pseudo feminist speech 
to them? 

783
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Yeah, he was, you know, bringing
up probably like something that,

784
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,560
you know, well, it is like a 
statistic, right, of like women 

785
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,240
are misdiagnosed because like 
the the equipment isn't being 

786
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,480
placed correctly, like under her
like breast, right. 

787
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,680
But the yelling, that's what I 
was kind of talking about at the

788
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,400
beginning of this. 
There's so much yelling in this 

789
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,040
season that was like. 
Really felt like in that case 

790
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:14,000
felt forced, at least were and 
there was like, I don't know, it

791
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,880
just was like Robbie's character
was like very weirdly used. 

792
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,120
I liked that they made him kind 
of like a little bit like the 

793
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,320
the villain in in this part of 
the the show. 

794
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,880
But yeah, there. 
Yeah, I I just felt like a weird

795
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,840
writing. 
There was other weird writing 

796
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,800
too, like the trying to force in
AI in the workplace commentary 

797
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,000
in. 
The show and about that whole 

798
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,480
stuff. 
For like 3 episodes with Doctor 

799
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,400
Aloshimi and sort of. 
Like let's like change this. 

800
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,520
It's sort of a misdirect because
with that, you know, performer, 

801
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,920
they're trying to present her as
like cold clinical Terminator at

802
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,400
ask at the beginning of the 
show. 

803
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,840
And from day one, I was like, 
hell yeah, I love this actress 

804
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,680
and I love this character and I 
definitely have a work wife 

805
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,840
crush on this person. 
I love her. 

806
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,520
And she is literally like a top 
three favorite character for me 

807
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,520
immediately. 
I didn't even need any time. 

808
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,760
I was in all the all the 
glances. 

809
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,840
By the way, Speaking of, yeah. 
What were they? 

810
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,840
They were doing all these like 
glances. 

811
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,880
That was real, right? 
That was I wasn't making. 

812
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,120
That up Robbie and all Ashimi, 
but between the Abbott Abbott, I

813
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,120
was like, what's his name? 
The military, dude. 

814
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,320
Yeah, Abbott and Samira too. 
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. 

815
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,600
They were trying to do a lot of.
People are people are fucking in

816
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,720
the ER 100% I. 
I think Robbie even has multiple

817
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,000
people he's hooking up with. 
Well, yeah, there's the the 

818
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000
woman who comes. 
Legal. 

819
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,880
Counsel, yeah, like I'm, well, 
I'm not exactly sure what she 

820
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:42,880
does. 
I think she like talks to people

821
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,320
about their insurance options 
essentially. 

822
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,600
But yes, like she is a part of 
like the legal adjacent team. 

823
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,840
I don't know. 
But but yeah, there there were 

824
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,360
some interesting glances. 
A lot of it was funny, though, 

825
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,280
like Abbott clocking that he was
talking to that woman, the legal

826
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,840
counsel lady, and he was just 
like, OK, and he's like shut up 

827
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,400
or whatever, OK. 
Some things that the show does 

828
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,280
well, and then we can get to the
characters or I guess this is 

829
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,320
getting to the characters right 
now. 

830
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,400
I want to talk a little bit 
about the patients this season 

831
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,280
outside of just Orlando, which I
think we explored pretty well. 

832
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,600
But Louis, a character who was 
in Season 1 and in Season 2, 

833
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,720
died about halfway through 
Season 2. 

834
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,440
I think that's where the show 
really started taking off for me

835
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,160
this season, where I was like, 
OK, this is good. 

836
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:30,800
This is emotionally compelling. 
Doctor Robbie revealed when they

837
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,200
were saying goodbye to Louis and
they were doing, I forget what 

838
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,960
you call that, but they were 
just saying goodbye to him with 

839
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,720
all the medical professionals in
the room after he had died. 

840
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,520
He reveals that Louis's wife 
Rhonda, his high school 

841
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,760
sweetheart, and their unborn 
child were killed in a car crash

842
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,600
a month before the baby was due.
And Louis never recovered from 

843
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,200
that loss and essentially drank 
himself to death to drown his 

844
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:59,040
grief almost openly and quote UN
quote happily doing that and 

845
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,000
digging his own grave. 
And Robbie knew this, chose to 

846
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,040
withhold that because of how 
personal that was. 

847
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,760
And I thought that was that 
would really got me. 

848
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,920
That was really impactful, 
mostly because they joke, they 

849
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,440
jokingly called him like a 
frequent flyer and stuff like 

850
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,800
that throughout both seasons as 
sort of a main character from a 

851
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,960
patient side of this. 
And Langdon apologized to him as

852
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:31,000
a part of his his treatment, his
rehab, but also like, seem to 

853
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,960
deeply feel bad and like, wanted
to like, apologize as a human 

854
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,600
being, not just a partisan 
program. 

855
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,600
That was really, you know, 
interesting. 

856
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,640
And like, I, I really love that 
character a lot. 

857
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,200
And I thought that was like an 
interesting way to say goodbye 

858
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,280
to a character to also teach a 
moral lesson to some of the 

859
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,720
younger characters like Olga B 
about judgement. 

860
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,200
I thought that was really well 
done. 

861
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,720
That felt like a Season 1. 
Pay off, I agree. 

862
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,040
And I and I thought about it and
I was like, oh, that's probably 

863
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,840
something they planned on doing 
in Season 1. 

864
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,720
Like whoever the writers were 
who dealt with the patience, the

865
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,320
patient writing in Season 1, I 
felt like they did not. 

866
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,160
They didn't have the pen as much
in Season 2, but that's why I 

867
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,760
loved this part of Season 2 so. 
Yeah, I think it was like 

868
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,680
probably the one of the most 
emotional episodes and of that 

869
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,560
is because we knew the character
from both seasons and then we 

870
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,560
had, you know, Olga V like had 
this kind of he he's had this 

871
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,360
arc throughout the whole season 
1 of kind of being seemingly 

872
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,200
like sheltered, I guess, and 
judging patients. 

873
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:39,000
So yeah, I think it was when 
they viewed his or when they had

874
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,840
his face behind Robbie's while 
he was like telling that to the 

875
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,160
staff. 
Like that was also a really 

876
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,360
like, emotionally impactful. 
Yes, it was really well handled.

877
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,360
Another character, Roxy, who's a
new character this season, who I

878
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,800
think was a good representation 
of why the patient writing was 

879
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,960
just worse this season. 
I was less connected to her. 

880
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,080
She was the woman who I think 
died from cancer. 

881
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,320
Oh, yeah. 
OK, Yeah. 

882
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,600
Yeah, and her family was with 
her. 

883
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,920
Her though, whoever her son was,
was a really good actor, a child

884
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,400
actor. 
He made me feel things that the 

885
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,960
husband certainly did not the 
guy who plays the. 

886
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,400
Husband also because that's 
Oliver. 

887
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,920
That's. 
Taylor Hanley is the actor, 

888
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,320
yeah, plays Oliver on The OC, 
which is a show that I just 

889
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,400
watched this past year. 
Kelsey had already seen it. 

890
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,880
Love the OC, No notes for like 
bad but good television of the 

891
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,280
early 2000s to mid 2000s. 
And as soon as he showed up as 

892
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,000
the woman who's dying's husband,
I was like, he's fucking 

893
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,600
poisoning her. 
Yeah, we're like, what's 

894
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,800
happening? 
Well, the The funny thing is, 

895
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,320
like when we saw him, we had 
just watched the OC, but we both

896
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,880
were like, wait, who is that? 
Like, where do we know his face 

897
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,240
from? 
Because he's like so young on 

898
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,800
the OC And then it just like 
clicked. 

899
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,760
And but even before that, I 
think we were like, oh, what is 

900
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,280
he doing? 
Because we didn't like put it 

901
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,240
together, but we obviously like 
our minds recognized it more 

902
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:04,200
unconsciously first. 
He's got the face of a 

903
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,000
sociopath. 
He's yeah, and even until her 

904
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,160
death, like I, I didn't pick up 
on. 

905
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,760
I still think he did it. 
Yeah, I, I didn't pick up on the

906
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,200
plot that she didn't want to die
in their home because then it 

907
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,480
would like kind of be a space 
where the children remember, 

908
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,040
like here's the room where mom 
died. 

909
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,960
She didn't want to like, you 
know, have any negative emotions

910
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,400
or or whatever, like the the 
kids processing that like 

911
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,880
attached to a room in the home 
or like I didn't understand that

912
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,480
plot because I was so focused on
Oliver. 

913
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,840
Well, I connected them. 
I was like, oh, she doesn't want

914
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,600
to go home because he's doing 
something. 

915
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,480
He's killing her. 
I was like I over read into. 

916
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,040
It I was like he he's presenting
as this like like husband who 

917
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,800
will do anything for her. 
And then when the woman who is 

918
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,360
kind of like they presented as 
her like death doula or like her

919
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,560
person who's like helping her 
die, essentially when when she's

920
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,640
like, I've got it like go. 
That was supposed to be like 

921
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,720
giving him a break because he's 
just like dedicated husband in 

922
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,520
that moment. 
I was like Oliver. 

923
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,240
He like there's he's we're going
to get a reveal right now while 

924
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,880
he's gone. 
I yeah, I just couldn't stop 

925
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,960
thinking about Marissa. 
Bro I fucking hate Oliver. 

926
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,440
So yeah, any OC fans in the 
comments, let us know if you 

927
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,120
also had I guess negative 
assumptions if. 

928
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,280
You're under the age of 27. 
You probably don't know what 

929
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,640
we're talking about. 
That's OK. 

930
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,560
So the point I was trying to 
make there with Roxy is that I 

931
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,040
don't think that was that 
emotional of an arc, but it 

932
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,120
lasted like 4 episodes. 
And I think that's a point to 

933
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,120
Mike or criticism of the season 
that there are other patients we

934
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,080
meet too, that at one point 
there's AI think it's a water 

935
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,120
park, something that happens at 
a water park. 

936
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,640
That slide breaks down. 
Yeah. 

937
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,680
Which is why I'll never go to a 
water park again. 

938
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,960
That's the only reason. 
That's one of the. 

939
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,880
Reasons. 
Yeah, there's several that I 

940
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,640
won't. 
The reason I won't go, but what 

941
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,720
was I saying? 
OK, so there was a there was a 

942
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,640
hospital that had to shut down. 
Yeah, there's many reasons there

943
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,040
was a hospital that had to shut 
down because of the cyber 

944
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,560
attack, right? 
Oh yeah. 

945
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,640
And so they had to send the 
patients or the the injured over

946
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,240
from the water park. 
And one of the dads of a son was

947
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:21,000
like, I lost my son. 
He fell somewhere. 

948
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,680
And like that was like a good 
arc that was like never fully. 

949
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,160
That's so true. 
Developed. 

950
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,000
Yeah, there was a lot of 
examples. 

951
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,360
With that, yeah, there are so 
many characters who we didn't 

952
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,080
get a full arc on the the mom, 
right, and the kid left in the 

953
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,440
car. 
The woman who's deaf, right? 

954
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,120
Yes. 
That wasn't that that developed 

955
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,920
or it took a long time or too 
long. 

956
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,680
It was so frustrating where I 
was like, get a pen and paper. 

957
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,640
Like, I understand the 
commentary here and the ableism 

958
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,240
that exists in our institutions,
but I could not believe the 

959
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:51,840
writing there where I was like, 
it seems like not only did you 

960
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,120
need somebody of the deaf 
community to be involved in 

961
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,840
writing, but it also maybe they 
did, but it seemed like they 

962
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,720
needed somebody just who had 
some kind of sense to be like, 

963
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,000
well, they would just write it 
down on paper if they they truly

964
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,720
couldn't get somebody for 10 
hours. 

965
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:04,600
Yeah. 
Right. 

966
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,600
Well, also the, the, this is a 
good example of like what we're 

967
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,120
talking about of like forcing 
different, like plot lines. 

968
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,240
It, it felt like, yes, the 
doctors are like busy and 

969
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,000
whatever, but like it, it just 
seemed like the characters that 

970
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,520
we know, like someone would step
in and like try to like figure 

971
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,640
this out instead of leaving a 
woman who that we don't have 

972
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,160
like the resources of this, you 
know, like interpreter on the 

973
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,840
screen like that. 
That's not working right. 

974
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,960
Like it just felt like weird 
writing for the the doctors to 

975
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,600
continuous be like, continuously
be like, Oh well, we'll just 

976
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,840
wait until this happens. 
And it didn't make sense for 

977
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,120
them to make Santos unlikeable 
in that way for her to be so 

978
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,480
apathetic or indifferent toward 
that woman. 

979
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,760
Like, I understand we're we're 
going to get to Santos in a 

980
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,200
second. 
But like, yeah, that was off 

981
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,960
putting anyways. 
OK, characters of the show. 

982
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,880
I think we start off with Dana, 
Dana, Dana. 

983
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,800
Dana, I think. 
The center of the show, I'm 

984
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,240
going to let you talk about your
relationship to Dana Baby. 

985
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,920
Jane Doe. 
I like this character, but I 

986
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,120
have more complicated feelings 
toward the performance. 

987
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,160
OK, yeah, so, well, let's just 
put it out there. 

988
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,640
Trey thinks it's a bad 
performance. 

989
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,080
But I think it's OK that it is 
like I, I think everybody is 

990
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,960
dialed to an 8 in the show. 
And Robbie's probably no Wiley 

991
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,200
gets to be like a nine to 12 at 
times, but everybody's basically

992
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,480
at an 8, which I enjoy. 
It makes it a comfort TV show 

993
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,280
feeling, even though there's a 
lot of tense things that are 

994
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,840
high stakes happening and human 
lives are at play. 

995
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,800
The woman playing Dana is is at 
like a 15. 

996
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,920
I think you. 
I think you also think it's like

997
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,400
the accent. 
Right. 

998
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,000
It's a lot of the things. 
Yeah, it's it's a lot. 

999
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,440
And I do think it works because 
the show needs a certain height,

1000
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:54,160
heightenedness or cartoonishness
in order to sort of destake the 

1001
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,800
show. 
But but also she's a part of so 

1002
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,640
many pivotal emotional moments 
in the season where she has to 

1003
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,400
be caring or soft spoken. 
But it always felt a little bit 

1004
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,280
false to me. 
Like when she's dealing with the

1005
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,000
the survivor of sexual assault 
and she's like doing the test 

1006
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,880
kit and she's doing the kind of 
softer voice and tone I like. 

1007
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,840
Never. 
It never just sat right to me 

1008
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,600
because the the character is so.
Elevated, yeah, I mean the 

1009
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,840
accent in the in those times 
too, like you're aware that 

1010
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,120
she's like. 
Putting it on exactly. 

1011
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,560
So it's hard to like disconnect 
from watching like the mechanics

1012
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,280
of the performance. 
But at the same time I've met a 

1013
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,280
lot of teachers like that, so 
maybe I'm just in the minority 

1014
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,160
I'm probably wrong about. 
This, but I I like the 

1015
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,800
overacting. 
I I think especially like the 

1016
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,360
the kind of like. 
I don't know if maybe this is 

1017
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,320
not the same in I'm, I'm sure 
they're like characters like 

1018
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,040
this in a lot of workplaces, but
especially in public works of 

1019
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,800
like a sort of like maternal 
figure, almost like watching out

1020
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,880
for everyone, but still like 
getting a little bit of tough 

1021
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,280
love. 
Like she's running the ship, 

1022
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,320
right. 
And so I, I think the elevated 

1023
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,080
aspect of her performance, while
I do agree with you, it is like 

1024
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,320
elevated, it always works for 
me. 

1025
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,040
And I always think it's like 
kind of like this weird tone 

1026
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,280
that they're not actually going 
for. 

1027
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,720
But it's like funny, not in the 
not in the more serious 

1028
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:19,280
situations. 
No, I know you're talking about,

1029
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,640
but when she's just like running
the room, you know, or, or doing

1030
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,880
the charts and like, Hey, you 
know, like that's for good. 

1031
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:31,080
Thank you yelling at people. 
It just works for me. 

1032
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,440
The show needs it. 
It needs somebody like that. 

1033
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,400
And so I understand why, but I 
do like this character. 

1034
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,760
She is the center of the 
hospital. 

1035
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,280
It's not Robbie, it's Dana. 
And I think she's also, she's 

1036
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,760
the head. 
I forget her exact job. 

1037
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,240
I think she's the head of all 
nurses, but also the cases. 

1038
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,760
Yeah, I forget the exact 
position. 

1039
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,280
She's the attending of the 
nurses though I think. 

1040
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,320
Well, whatever. 
Yeah, you already explained it. 

1041
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,240
She she's the the person like 
running the show. 

1042
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,280
Yes, exactly. 
Yeah, I I like this character 

1043
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,680
and the performance is needed, 
but I always feel like I I feel 

1044
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,560
crazy for never seeing any sort 
of like, not criticism, but just

1045
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,680
like an acceptance that she is 
over playing it. 

1046
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,320
Like where it feels like a 
theatre performance in this TV 

1047
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,800
show that doesn't really have a 
lot of those except for some of 

1048
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,600
the patients were acting out of 
pocket sometimes. 

1049
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,880
But to have Dana like that every
episode is like a lot sometimes 

1050
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,560
anyways. 
I will also say since she's like

1051
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,920
the head of the nurses, I feel 
like we got less of the nurses 

1052
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,400
during like this part of the 
show. 

1053
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,400
Like Jesse was arrested and then
was the plot line, but we didn't

1054
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,360
really get to know Jesse and 
then. 

1055
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,120
Perla and Princess. 
Yeah, like I felt maybe at the 

1056
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,840
beginning of the season we got 
more of like their interactions,

1057
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,880
but it felt like in season 1 
they were just like more so 

1058
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,320
focused on like making a point 
that like the nurses are making 

1059
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,920
like the ER run like they and 
and in season 2 they just had a 

1060
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,760
Whitaker kind of like say it to 
the one of the new interns. 

1061
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,200
Yeah. 
Well, yes, exactly. 

1062
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,120
I don't know if they're 
technical, I don't know if 

1063
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,160
they're interns, but whatever 
you. 

1064
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,760
Know well this show, I think Joy
and Ogilvy famously at this 

1065
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,400
point is expert at tell, don't 
show. 

1066
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,120
It just tells you what it's 
what's on its mind. 

1067
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,400
But with the nurses in 
particular, they did a really 

1068
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,080
good job of show don't tell in 
season 1. 

1069
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,440
But this this season, you're 
right, Whitaker. 

1070
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,200
And there are a few other 
moments of people just being 

1071
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,520
like, nurses are more important 
than like anybody else in the 

1072
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,040
ER, which obviously, like, I 
appreciate it as a commentary. 

1073
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,560
I'm sure if you're a nurse, you 
do too. 

1074
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:27,200
But yeah, I felt like it was 
less, it was less thoughtfully 

1075
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,400
handled this season with actual 
screen time of nurses. 

1076
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,880
Nurse Emma, though, a good 
addition. 

1077
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:34,920
Yeah. 
To the crew. 

1078
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,720
I liked her, loved her and loved
that Dana punched that one guy 

1079
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:42,000
in the face off camera. 
Oh, yeah. 

1080
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,200
It was choking Emma out. 
Yeah, that's awesome for Dana. 

1081
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,840
So shout out. 
OK. 

1082
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:53,800
So let's talk about Robbie Verse
Ashimi and what the writers were

1083
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,760
trying to do with introducing a 
new attending to this season. 

1084
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,120
Like, what do you think the 
point was there outside of just 

1085
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:01,960
the plot? 
Yeah. 

1086
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,480
The tension of like Robbie's 
going on vacation and he needs 

1087
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,120
some sort of like, you know, 
thing to worry about if the ER 

1088
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,720
is going to like run smoothly 
without him. 

1089
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:17,520
I I feel like, you know, she 
kind of was in an equal 

1090
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,560
professional position as him. 
That were it. 

1091
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,120
It didn't feel the same as like 
Abbott calling him on his shit. 

1092
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,880
Like she felt like really 
emotionally intelligent. 

1093
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,720
Not that Abbott, I guess like 
wasn't, but I think she was like

1094
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,640
brought in to to show like the 
cracks of of Robbie. 

1095
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,200
Yeah, but I just think it's 
interesting that from a 

1096
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,680
teacher's perspective, people 
who've worked in like public 

1097
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,480
works, like I think you've been 
around Robbie's and Alfashimi's 

1098
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,160
where? 
And what I mean by that is like 

1099
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,520
Robbie's who have been so 
conditioned by a broken 

1100
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,360
institution that they work on 
improv. 

1101
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,800
They work on like gut instincts 
and the Alshimi's of the world 

1102
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,680
who believe in systems and data 
and who are more like structure 

1103
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,000
driven and focus on focusing on 
like a liability reduction and 

1104
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,600
like not being sued and things 
like that. 

1105
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,760
And I thought that was an 
interesting way to frame this 

1106
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,880
season to show the different 
ways that institutions are 

1107
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,360
changing where like an education
of people don't know. 

1108
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,840
I didn't even. 
Think about it like that. 

1109
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,080
But I think you're right. 
This duality really exists. 

1110
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,960
There are data-driven leadership
positions and teachers, and then

1111
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,960
there are charisma, improv 
leadership and teachers. 

1112
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,120
Kelsey's a good mix of both. 
I think you're like, you're a 

1113
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,880
good example of both. 
I'm unfortunately the latter, 

1114
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,720
which is a closer to a Robbie, 
which is like going off of 

1115
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:40,440
instinct, which is an 
objectively more stressful side 

1116
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,600
to be on than it is to be 
data-driven where you rely on 

1117
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,440
like your own willpower or your 
your stand up comedy version of 

1118
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,680
doctoring or teaching, if that 
makes sense. 

1119
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,080
But it's also more emotionally 
fulfilling because you get to be

1120
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,480
more present and you're not as 
distanced because you're 

1121
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,520
data-driven. 
Anyways, this is a huge debate 

1122
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,960
in education between like 
educators and teachers and admin

1123
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,680
roles of like how to handle 
classroom logistics and also 

1124
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,600
school logistics. 
And so I thought that was 

1125
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,240
interesting. 
They brought that in to a 

1126
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:11,600
hospital in the ER, or at least 
that's how I viewed it. 

1127
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,040
No, I mean that that's 
interesting. 

1128
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,200
I think though, there's like a, 
you know, aspect of both Al 

1129
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,880
Ashimi and Robbie. 
Like you can kind of like almost

1130
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,560
like go back to their beginnings
and and view them as like, oh, 

1131
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,480
they were like passionate about 
medicine, like wanted to go into

1132
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:34,120
it to help people, but now have 
like different approaches to 

1133
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,760
navigating the system, which 
like I think the show is like 

1134
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,560
making it more of a binary to 
make a point about that. 

1135
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,000
Like where you could see Al 
Ashimi like working under like a

1136
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,880
hospital administration of that 
that basically like is grading 

1137
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,360
her on or her career is like 
riding on this idea of like 

1138
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,520
being effective getting a 
certain amount of like charts, 

1139
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,600
like, you know, whatever it is 
that's. 

1140
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,640
A good point, yeah. 
Data-driven stuff, which you can

1141
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,600
like compare to something like 
standardized testing, right? 

1142
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,960
And education where it's like, 
well, like, I know this is 

1143
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:14,960
bullshit, but at the same time, 
like my job is, is dependent on 

1144
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,680
the fact that like the kids need
to pass this test in order to 

1145
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,360
graduate. 
And also like if I have a bunch 

1146
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,280
of kids who fail this test, I 
just ignore it. 

1147
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,240
You know it Then like my job's 
also on the line. 

1148
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,680
And so like, I think there's 
like. 

1149
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,960
And then this curriculum. 
Is bullshit, yeah. 

1150
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,320
And then if you're like doing a 
disservice to the kids by not 

1151
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,640
focusing on it. 
So like there's that whole 

1152
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:40,480
dilemma that I think that she is
kind of like representing like a

1153
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,720
it's like a weird. 
I mean, it's obviously a way 

1154
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,720
more complicated conversation 
because she's like representing 

1155
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,360
this like necessary evil within 
like an institution of like 

1156
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,680
being efficient. 
But you know, obviously like we 

1157
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,000
don't whatever. 
Like, but versus like Robbie 

1158
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,720
Yahoo is I think it's it's also 
like an interesting like gender,

1159
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:06,400
right, like commentary there of 
like Robbie not only being able 

1160
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,320
to be the person who I think was
like more and more annoyingly 

1161
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,280
like unexamined in season 1 of 
like, well, that's all bullshit.

1162
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,000
And like, you know, like you can
just do whatever. 

1163
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:21,960
But he ultimately, like he was 
able to have like a this like 

1164
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,360
charismatic approach to like, 
I'm going to keep my job because

1165
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:31,080
I know I and the only one who 
can like do it, but really like 

1166
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,520
the hospital needs me and stuff 
like and like so very toxic, 

1167
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:36,360
Yeah. 
And I think. 

1168
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,160
That unknowingly, which is the 
worst kind of toxic. 

1169
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,560
Yeah. 
And I think that kind of like 

1170
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,840
uncovered that in season 2 more 
so that he's not just this like 

1171
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,920
charismatic guy who like only 
cares about people and like who 

1172
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,720
care like we have. 
We have to work around the 

1173
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,360
system as an obstacle. 
And that's just like a realistic

1174
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,720
part of the job, which is what 
he kind of like approach things 

1175
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,600
with. 
And that got messy, too, because

1176
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,520
like, then he, you know, was 
like criticizing Dana And when? 

1177
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,720
Instead of being like, well, how
can we like work this out with 

1178
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,920
you protecting it, protecting 
yourself, but also like then 

1179
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,240
him. 
He could have just been like, 

1180
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,360
I'm actually just concerned 
about you because you seem like 

1181
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,680
you're in. 
Oh, after she punches that guy. 

1182
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,040
Well, because she's carrying 
around the shot that like, 

1183
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,160
sedated. 
Him because she got hit in the 

1184
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,720
face in season. 
One right, So but instead of him

1185
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,000
saying like, hey, I think you're
living in fear, like is this 

1186
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,320
something that like you haven't,
you know, understandably like 

1187
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:34,560
dealt with he was like, well 
rules, you're not supposed to do

1188
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,240
this and like legally blah, 
blah, blah like so yeah, like I 

1189
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,800
think that got messy anyway. 
And the way he forgives somebody

1190
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,480
like linged in by letting him 
come back. 

1191
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,600
So yeah, like punishing him. 
They are definitely exploring 

1192
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,520
his selective. 
Morality in the. 

1193
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,680
Show and him as a martyr figure.
I do think it's a little 

1194
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,880
different in in education. 
Although I think you're right to

1195
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,960
point out that it's like an 
interesting conversation about 

1196
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,520
how people like address 
institutions or like think about

1197
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,280
that. 
But I, yeah, it's not a perfect 

1198
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,720
comp, yeah, but I do. 
But I do think that that's. 

1199
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,000
Interesting though, because I 
think in. 

1200
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,280
Education it's a little less 
like because it's curriculum and

1201
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,160
it's like you're looking at like
history and ideas, especially 

1202
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:16,680
like, I mean, we're in the 
humanities. 

1203
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:22,240
Like it's not as like like it's 
OK to be like fuck the data. 

1204
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,320
Do you know what I mean? 
It's OK to be like, here's why 

1205
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,120
standardized testing, like 
shouldn't matter. 

1206
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:33,400
And talk about that verse like 
here it's, I don't know what 

1207
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,400
it's a little, it's just a 
different conversation. 

1208
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:36,760
But I understand what you're 
saying. 

1209
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,680
You don't got to say it's a 
perfect comparison. 

1210
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,080
I'm just noting it. 
As interesting as being teachers

1211
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,800
and watching something like 
this, because there's no show 

1212
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,920
about schools that is this in 
depth or this nuanced. 

1213
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,160
The closest thing we have is 
like Abbott Elementary, but 

1214
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,760
that's a comedy. 
And as much as I love Abbott, 

1215
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,200
it's like, well, that's like The
Office, silly. 

1216
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:52,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1217
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,880
Exactly. 
OK, Robbie, do we still trust 

1218
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,520
Robbie or do we ever trust 
Robbie? 

1219
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:58,960
Never trusted a Robbie. 
Never. 

1220
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,000
I mean I I. 
Liked. 

1221
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,960
Aspect of his aspects of his 
character in season 1 and 

1222
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,840
there's still things that I 
think like, you know, I feel for

1223
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,960
Robbie in season 2. 
He just like continuously, like 

1224
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,920
they were trying to make a point
obviously with like him thinking

1225
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:23,320
about suicide and him possibly 
like lashing out at people, 

1226
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,480
slash trying to make amends. 
Like it was just a messy 

1227
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:33,000
character arc that wasn't really
a good look of like, I'm 

1228
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,840
hurting, so let me lash out on 
other people, especially him 

1229
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:41,080
being like this, like white guy 
who's the boss, you know, like I

1230
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,320
but that was intentional now. 
Yeah, a part of the commentary. 

1231
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,920
Yeah, I feel like it is. 
They're showing they. 

1232
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,480
They want you to be both. 
Sympathetic and critical of the 

1233
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,480
character. 
You're sympathetic to him on 

1234
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,440
this like self destruction 
journey as a product of being 

1235
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,600
stuck in this machinery where 
all he wanted to do was help 

1236
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,920
people and what he lost along 
the way, it was what he explains

1237
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,000
to Samira outside. 
He lost the lake, he lost the 

1238
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,520
kids, he lost the partner. 
He's by himself. 

1239
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:09,000
The only place he can feel sort 
of needed or seen or alive is 

1240
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,120
when he's helping people. 
It's his purpose inside the ER 

1241
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,720
and I feel like a a lot of 
public facing professions feel 

1242
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,600
that tension that are under 
resourced. 

1243
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,520
And I thought that was a really 
well explored this season. 

1244
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,800
I think we're now coming to 
amends with this like idea that,

1245
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,040
oh, Robbie is the which is why I
asked at the beginning of the 

1246
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,000
episode. 
He is the antagonist of the pit.

1247
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,960
Like if you're going to pick 1 
outside of the the more abstract

1248
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,960
system of healthcare. 
And I think he's also realizing 

1249
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,280
that. 
And Langdon has to be the 

1250
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,160
person. 
You know, we haven't really 

1251
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,560
talked about race when it comes 
to the show, but it is very race

1252
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,160
aware. 
Langdon has to be the white guy 

1253
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,640
to tell the the older white guy,
the younger white guy tells the 

1254
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,120
older white guy, hey dude, 
you're the problem. 

1255
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,040
And I felt that was very 
intentional too. 

1256
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,760
For like the. 
Audience to for the audience and

1257
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,080
also I think, you know for the 
audience to get fanatically, but

1258
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,920
also for the show to kind of be 
able to keep it's it's what's a 

1259
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,600
major player and Robbie afloat 
and keep him in the show while 

1260
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:11,280
also being a critical of him by 
having like the younger Robbie 

1261
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,280
criticize him, which is supposed
to be Langdon, even though I 

1262
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,560
think Langdon Santos are more 
similar as characters like 

1263
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,200
Langdon is certainly supposed to
be a quote UN quote to younger 

1264
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,040
Robbie. 
I think, yeah. 

1265
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,640
I mean, like they set it up as 
like he's this mentor figure, 

1266
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,720
like the. 
Reason he is kind of like 

1267
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,960
punishing him is because, like, 
he had these high hopes for him.

1268
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,400
Like, he's almost like a 
paternal figure or something. 

1269
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,400
I mean, that's how, like, the 
show is positioning it, right? 

1270
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,480
You talk about them as brothers,
but it's really dad, son. 

1271
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,760
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, I've. 

1272
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,280
Robbie's character is 
interesting. 

1273
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,360
I appreciate that he's like 
complex but very easy to hate 

1274
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,280
this this season. 
What do you think about Noah 

1275
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,280
Wiley as performer? 
I was just going to say. 

1276
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,480
The pit needs his eyes. 
You. 

1277
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,520
Know he's got very sad eyes. 
Yeah, he's got very sad. 

1278
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,720
Eyes. 
And oh and also I sorry 

1279
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,880
everyone, because I haven't seen
ER for listeners, I guess who 

1280
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:09,400
like had, but I also didn't 
realize how how beautiful he was

1281
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,200
in his youth and he's still 
beautiful now. 

1282
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,080
But we were watching a few good 
men. 

1283
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,200
I was just going to say. 
Tom Cruise hops. 

1284
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,920
In the car, right? 
To go. 

1285
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,640
See Jack Nicholson and you're 
you pause it, you said. 

1286
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,480
Who is that? 
Respectfully, Demi Moore jump 

1287
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:23,960
jumps in the car and Tom Cruise 
gets by. 

1288
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,240
Yeah. 
He jumps in 2nd and you said who

1289
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,600
is that? 
And I said I don't know. 

1290
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:28,520
And you said you're going to be 
so. 

1291
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,640
Upset. 
Yeah, you could not get that 

1292
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,400
possible on the screen. 
You're like, let's just like. 

1293
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,760
Wait till you realize I don't 
know who. 

1294
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,360
He is. 
I'm like, that's Noah Wiley. 

1295
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,840
That's wild. 
When you see it, it's so 

1296
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,880
obvious. 
But but yeah, his sad eyes and I

1297
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,920
think he does a lot for this 
show, like emotionally of him 

1298
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,360
just looking across the room. 
No Wiley very special to my 

1299
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:50,240
childhood. 
He was. 

1300
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,960
An Indiana Jones figure on TNT 
as a librarian. 

1301
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,400
If you've ever heard of the 
librarians. 

1302
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,840
He had some movies there for a 
bit, some TV only movies. 

1303
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,960
He was an ER, but I didn't watch
it. 

1304
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,960
He was in the show called 
Falling Skies, a sci-fi show on 

1305
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,200
TNT. 
He was a TNT darling for a 

1306
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,480
minute there in my childhood 
when I was watching a lot of bad

1307
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,320
TV. 
So I've always had a good 

1308
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,120
relationship to him. 
So the fact that he is like in 

1309
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,880
the pit now is very exciting. 
We even shout out any actor, but

1310
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,480
I want to shout at him first 
because he is. 

1311
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,400
I think he's one of the writers 
of this show now and maybe even 

1312
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,800
one of the show runners. 
And he's been very vocal 

1313
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,480
politically about the needs of 
resources in hospitals, 

1314
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,520
especially for nurses, which I 
really appreciate. 

1315
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,720
So no, Wiley seems cool, but it 
is a really, it's a very complex

1316
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,360
character. 
Speaking of complex characters, 

1317
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,920
Langdon plus Santos. 
Yeah, let's talk about them. 

1318
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,960
Complicated. 
Yeah, well, I think in whose? 

1319
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,720
Side Are you on whose side? 
In. 

1320
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,400
Season 1, it was like a. 
Messy situation where it felt 

1321
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,160
like again, there was like a 
rewrite in the middle because 

1322
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:06,600
like Langdon, while he was like 
being overly harsh to Santos and

1323
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,560
like unaware to have like hit 
the power dynamic of him as like

1324
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,600
a man and her as like a young 
woman coming into this like 

1325
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,080
brand new role there. 
There were aspects of her 

1326
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,160
character, though, that were 
like, let me like, you know, I 

1327
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:24,280
don't know what it, what the 
kind of like term is, but like, 

1328
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,560
you know how everyone kind of 
like describes doctors as like 

1329
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,880
they just want to like cut or 
whatever, you know what I mean? 

1330
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,400
Like they just want to which is 
more associated with like 

1331
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,240
getting money for like a surgery
versus like actually cutting. 

1332
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:41,240
But but she, you know, was 
written as a character who was 

1333
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,560
like, I just want to do whatever
it is when they put the tube 

1334
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,560
down someone's throat, right. 
That's like all she wanted to do

1335
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,360
or like she wanted to like kind 
of like get into the the higher 

1336
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,840
level things and she treated 
patients as practice. 

1337
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,080
Yes. 
As resume building, yeah. 

1338
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:57,960
And so like there was. 
Like a tension. 

1339
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,800
That I thought was. 
Interesting there and and also 

1340
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,680
the tension of her being a 
Filipino queer. 

1341
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,360
Character and being at odds with
this like more Ken looking white

1342
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,800
guy very intentional call him 
like Doctor Ken at 1:00. 

1343
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:13,760
Point right. 
Yeah. 

1344
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,080
So, yeah. 
So I think like there there were

1345
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,520
some interesting things that 
were like going on there. 

1346
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:24,800
But then all of a sudden, like 
when the the kind of reveal 

1347
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:30,120
happened and then Santos like 
told Robbie and Robbie yelled at

1348
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,920
Langdon and was like get out of 
here. 

1349
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:41,040
The the whole like flip of I 
don't know of like making it too

1350
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,760
neat, right? 
Like that's what I think the the

1351
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,760
writing flip felt like, or it 
was like Langdon bad character 

1352
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,880
and kind of like taking away 
some of the nuance. 

1353
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,960
And then they try to like bring 
it back here where they have 

1354
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:59,200
the, the woman who I love, who 
Santos is, who she's having like

1355
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,319
the surgeon, Yeah, a 
relationship with, but it's 

1356
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:08,520
really just like a situation 
ship and the and basically it's 

1357
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,160
kind of like sad when Santos 
finds that out. 

1358
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:14,880
But anyway, when when, when the 
surgeon is like, hey, like we 

1359
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,399
should like remember to be. 
I don't know, like I, I forget 

1360
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,000
what she says to Santos. 
There's protocols of how to act 

1361
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,920
and how to speak in this room, 
but it. 

1362
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,040
Was, I don't know, I just feel 
like the writing has been kind 

1363
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:29,040
of messy with LinkedIn and. 
Santos yeah, I think it starts 

1364
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:33,840
in Season 1 when they decide to.
Make them kind of fight one 

1365
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,080
another emotionally and 
psychologically. 

1366
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:40,160
I found that to be very strange.
I think this season was sort of 

1367
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,920
trying to reckon with how they 
are two sides of the same coin, 

1368
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,439
how they are both. 
Maybe this isn't the better 

1369
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:46,960
word, best word considering 
Langdon. 

1370
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,920
But addicted to the adrenaline 
of the job. 

1371
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:54,040
And they're both using medicine 
as a way to to stay alive, like 

1372
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,120
as a practice. 
And they're both very ambitious,

1373
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,840
but they're also emotionally 
compromised and shaped by their 

1374
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:05,400
environment so easily. 
And so Langdon is sort of is so 

1375
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,120
is so raw in Season 1 and and so
outwardly empathetic. 

1376
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,280
He wants to be seen as good. 
He wants to do good. 

1377
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,840
As a result, he's easier to 
sympathize with because the show

1378
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,520
and frankly, TV in general, know
how to write the archetype of a 

1379
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,280
tortured, sensitive white man. 
And the show is certainly 

1380
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:24,680
playing with that. 
And Patrick Ball, the performer 

1381
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,040
is doing a good job with that. 
But in season 1 didn't totally 

1382
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:29,880
know. 
I think season 1 didn't totally 

1383
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,320
know what to do with him halfway
through. 

1384
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,640
And then I think his writing 
became inconsistent because in 

1385
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:38,200
the addiction arc I felt was 
like planted about halfway 

1386
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,920
through the season. 
I know people have said earlier 

1387
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,600
on music very sweaty, but season
2 is pretty sweaty too. 

1388
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,080
I think that's just the actor in
my opinion. 

1389
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:50,200
But like season 2 kind of course
corrects how volatile they make 

1390
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:55,160
him in season 1, and I think his
redemption then feels a little 

1391
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,560
bit forced in season 2. 
Like too much like Santos is 

1392
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,840
almost has become so apathetic. 
I know she's depressed. 

1393
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,160
I know that there's a lot of 
illusions to self harm and that 

1394
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,560
she'll continue to self harm 
when she steals the the knife or

1395
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,800
the whatever it is. 
And I think him trying to be 

1396
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,120
like, you know, I've. 
Lost a lot. 

1397
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,400
My wife almost. 
Divorced me, I'm sober now. 

1398
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,440
I'm trying my best. 
And she's like, no, you haven't 

1399
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:21,240
suffered enough consequences. 
The moralism is kind of extreme.

1400
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,880
And the fact that Doctor Al 
Ashimi also sort of agrees is 

1401
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,680
kind of extreme, especially 
because the show is reckoning 

1402
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,520
with something that is like true
in like public workers spaces 

1403
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,880
that there are there substance 
abuse because of people being 

1404
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,400
overworked or burnout in these 
positions. 

1405
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:36,800
And so you would think that 
there would be more 

1406
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,200
understanding in those spaces. 
Yeah. 

1407
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,240
It's not like forgiving like 
what happened necessarily, but 

1408
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,400
it's. 
Strange that the characters who 

1409
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,720
like wouldn't have more empathy 
is really what it is, right? 

1410
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,680
And then with Santos, I think 
what's hard for me as a fan of. 

1411
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,560
Both of them because I love 
these characters. 

1412
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,760
With Santos in particular, a lot
of people have been defending 

1413
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,320
this character over the last two
or three years because they have

1414
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,680
said, well, you just don't like 
a complex, you know, queer woman

1415
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:02,880
if you don't like this 
character. 

1416
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,680
And I do think there is a little
bit of like the writers had a 

1417
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,080
little bit of a responsibility 
to kind of fix that in the 

1418
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,360
fandom. 
Then I think they did this 

1419
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,800
season, but a little bit too 
much where they're like, let's 

1420
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,040
not confuse complexity with like
abrasiveness. 

1421
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,880
There is something about Santos 
that is off putting because 

1422
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:22,320
there is something that's like 
her arc is about is learning 

1423
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,680
about how to be a good person. 
And I think that's interesting. 

1424
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,760
And there's they sort of doing 
something similar with Ogilvy, 

1425
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,640
even though I don't think a lot 
of people are comparing those 

1426
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:34,560
two characters because high key 
Santos is sort of an asshole and

1427
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,000
most people would not want to 
work with her yet. 

1428
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,520
And this is a credit to the 
performance. 

1429
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,000
And let me get the actresses 
name here because I just forgot 

1430
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,160
it. 
MIT talking Issa Briones. 

1431
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:45,720
Briones. 
I apologize if I mispronounced 

1432
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,760
her name. 
She's wonderful, but you care 

1433
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,000
about her as much as she's an 
asshole or off putting or 

1434
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,520
distancing. 
There's something about the 

1435
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,880
performance that is like layered
where you really care about her 

1436
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,400
and the show gives you a good 
amount of context subtextually 

1437
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,160
and sometimes sexually about why
she's so hardened. 

1438
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:08,040
Like a likely abuse of or likely
a history of abuse. 

1439
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,240
The way she connects with 
children in particular, 

1440
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,880
especially young girls, or the 
way that she softens around 

1441
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,480
woman who maybe have been 
directly impacted by a man from 

1442
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:19,480
gendered violence. 
The self harm part that I 

1443
01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:21,840
already talked about the the 
queer loneliness with the 

1444
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,400
surgeon. 
There's a lot of sympathetic 

1445
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,960
readings of her character. 
The reason why you see you seem 

1446
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,720
to care about her. 
But the reason why I think this 

1447
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,320
dynamic between her and Langdon 
needs to be resolved very 

1448
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,840
quickly is because I don't think
people are going to be ready, 

1449
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:36,640
prepared for ultimately what 
they're doing with her 

1450
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,920
character, which is they're 
saying she's learning to be a 

1451
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,400
good person, which I do think is
unnecessary. 

1452
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,840
I don't think queer, the queer 
community needs somebody as a 

1453
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,360
representative. 
I mean, I'm not in the queer 

1454
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,920
community, but I feel like it, 
it doesn't make a lot of sense 

1455
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,560
to me to make a character who is
a part of an identity that is 

1456
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,360
usually othered in television or
in this medium, in cinema at 

1457
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:00,520
large, to make that person be 
sort of like have a lot of 

1458
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:04,240
unexamined ego and pain and 
survival. 

1459
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,760
Like I find those to be a lot of
contradicting feelings that 

1460
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,320
don't make somebody complex. 
They make them sort of 

1461
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,280
overwrought and sort of 
confusing. 

1462
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,600
So I hope people get what I'm 
what I'm trying to say. 

1463
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,400
I think like the the flip side 
of of like you know you. 

1464
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,560
Just can't handle this like 
complex character is like, no, 

1465
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:23,960
like she was like like mean to 
Javadi and Javadi, right, is 

1466
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,640
like kind of a privileged 
character. 

1467
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,920
And that her both her parents 
are surgeons working in the 

1468
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,720
hospital, but still is like 
calling her crash and she like 

1469
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:35,200
asked her to stop or, and you 
know, the, the like in this 

1470
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,680
season, like they really make it
clear or whatever that she's 

1471
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,120
like, no, people are just like 
dumb. 

1472
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,320
Like, thank God we can profit 
off of like people being dumb. 

1473
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,760
We'll never be out of like work.
And McKay is like, OK, wow, you 

1474
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,880
know, so but those things are 
like supposed to be like, it's 

1475
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:52,880
not. 
We're not supposed to be like, 

1476
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,760
Oh yeah, like she just sees it 
how it is or whatever. 

1477
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,800
Like those things are, you know,
we often I, I think think about 

1478
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,280
the show in terms of like who 
would we want to work with? 

1479
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:07,120
And those are like, you know, 
just, I guess behaviors of like 

1480
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,360
taking out stress or like 
competition or something like on

1481
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:13,720
other people or, or just like, 
you know, things you wouldn't 

1482
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,440
want to be around. 
So it's not like her being 

1483
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:19,560
complex when she's being like an
asshole, you know what I mean? 

1484
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:24,400
So I, I think people are like, 
weirdly like, yeah, I guess like

1485
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,320
kind of claiming her as a queer 
character instead of being like 

1486
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,280
the writing is actually bad for 
her, for the aspects of her 

1487
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:35,000
character, which is I think more
so the point or maybe which I 

1488
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,400
agree with. 
It's not that they're running. 

1489
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,960
It's not. 
Maybe it's not that it's bad. 

1490
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,960
Or it's just questionable. 
It's questionable because she 

1491
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:43,720
only. 
Seems to care. 

1492
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,760
About the patients that she can 
relate to. 

1493
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,400
And I think that there's a 
little bit of self-interest 

1494
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,080
there that the show is trying to
explore with her character that 

1495
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,600
I don't understand why they need
to do that. 

1496
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,800
Because then it then it tries to
complete this sort of like I was

1497
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,880
saying this abrasiveness or 
apathy with complexity. 

1498
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:02,240
And I guess that goes back to 
your point. 

1499
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,280
Maybe it is just bad writing. 
Like I just don't understand why

1500
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,160
they do that. 
Like there are so many patients 

1501
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,920
that she's dealing with in the 
show that she seems to not give 

1502
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,480
a shit about if it doesn't 
directly have to do it for past 

1503
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,480
the. 
The deaf patient is like the. 

1504
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,480
The biggest? 
Example like why did they? 

1505
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,440
Write. 
Yeah, I don't. 

1506
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,240
I think that there's an 
intention there, I just don't 

1507
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:21,880
know why. 
They're doing that. 

1508
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,680
So I like to see her and Mel 
doing karaoke because that 

1509
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,040
suggests we could be pivoting 
somewhere else or her opening up

1510
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,880
to Whitaker, someone she seems 
to love as a friend, which is 

1511
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,680
nice. 
I, I love the Whitaker. 

1512
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,320
Yeah. 
And Santos like. 

1513
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:41,360
Whole plot line. 
Yes, Mel, the best character. 

1514
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,760
Is Mel the best character? 
One of the best? 

1515
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,400
Yeah. 
I mean, she has like we've been.

1516
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:52,240
Talking about the the kind of 
like it's almost unfair because 

1517
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:57,000
she's the moral, you know, like 
side character of the show where

1518
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,160
like every decision she makes is
like she's thinking about a, you

1519
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,800
know, a patient or about her Co 
workers. 

1520
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:07,360
So it's kind of like a cheat, 
you know, to be like, is she the

1521
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,720
best character just because 
she's not written to be like 

1522
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,200
super complex besides like 
dealing with, you know, 

1523
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:17,680
different emotions of reflecting
on like her sister's life or her

1524
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,560
life outside of work. 
She's the loneliest person at 

1525
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,280
work though. 
I feel like it's a pretty 

1526
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,200
complex. 
Character I, I think maybe 

1527
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,680
because we're thinking about it 
and she's used a lot for levity,

1528
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:31,080
like musically in the show, but 
in terms of her being like 

1529
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,360
incredibly competent, also 
deeply empathetic, but also 

1530
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,760
socially othered by everybody at
work, likely because she's 

1531
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,680
neurodivergent, is like an 
interesting arc in the middle of

1532
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,520
the show that isn't about that 
subject. 

1533
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,920
They're able to squeeze in like,
a theme there. 

1534
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,200
And then her relationship to her
sister is really interesting and

1535
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,600
the parental relationship she 
feels she has over her. 

1536
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,760
And that's complicated because 
of her life together without 

1537
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,680
parents as children before now 
that they're adults. 

1538
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,600
But yeah, I love this character.
I love the performance from 

1539
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,240
Taylor Dearden, I believe her 
last name is, who's the daughter

1540
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,520
of Breaking Bad guy Bryan 
Cranston. 

1541
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:16,440
We have a movie podcast, Bryan 
Cranston and I also love how Mel

1542
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:20,360
is, so she brings a lot of like 
quiet time to the show. 

1543
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:24,160
There's so many moments where 
we're just watching Mel absorb 

1544
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,800
her reality, like her present 
and there's. 

1545
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,240
A moment where Langdon and. 
Mel are sitting outside in this 

1546
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,600
finale where they're just 
watching the fireworks and the 

1547
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,520
camera pauses on their backs. 
And I just love that shit. 

1548
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,600
I I love, I love their 
relationship. 

1549
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,320
First off, when Langdon's taking
care of her sister and he turns 

1550
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,760
off the lights and and he 
remembers all these quirks 

1551
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,080
about, like, Mel in particular. 
That, and he remembers them from

1552
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,920
a year ago. 
He only met her once. 

1553
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:50,080
That's true. 
And it's wild that Mel even told

1554
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,520
her sister all these things 
about Langdon. 

1555
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:53,440
Yeah. 
And I love that one. 

1556
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:55,360
This is really. 
I see why you love him. 

1557
01:18:55,640 --> 01:19:00,080
And that was like, stop. 
Yeah, yes. 

1558
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,120
And. 
Obviously some people are a lot 

1559
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,080
of people are shipping them and 
I'm not going to lie, at first I

1560
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,840
was a little bit, but we need 
more platonic relationships in 

1561
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,840
television movies. 
So I thought this was a very 

1562
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,880
special dynamic, as was Whitaker
and Santos. 

1563
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,960
OK, so there are other 
characters we've not talked a 

1564
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,760
lot about, but we've sort of 
talked a little bit about McKay,

1565
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:26,400
one of my favorite characters 
who is probably low key maybe 

1566
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,320
the second or third best 
character on the show. 

1567
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,600
And she sits somewhere in 
between that kind of like Dana 

1568
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,280
and Robbie spot. 
I feel like actually McKay 

1569
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,640
should be a attending. 
She should be doing Robbie's job

1570
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:39,960
well. 
I mean, I think emotionally. 

1571
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:45,280
Like her emotional intelligence.
Of being able to not I think 

1572
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:49,160
there's very few times where 
she's like, there was one time 

1573
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,480
in season 2 where it felt her 
writing was like kind of too 

1574
01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:57,200
direct in telling. 
I think it was body maybe of 

1575
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,880
like, don't make you know this 
about like you kind of thing. 

1576
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:05,240
Oh, the crime with the woman who
who had cancer, like dying. 

1577
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,000
And then Javadi like cried in 
the room. 

1578
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,440
I thought that was strange too. 
Yeah. 

1579
01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:09,200
And I was like, what? 
Like. 

1580
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,720
But I think overall. 
With her writing. 

1581
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,800
I agree. 
She is able to to be like, 

1582
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,120
here's how we can like work 
around the system or like just, 

1583
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,400
you know, she really cares about
the patients. 

1584
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,720
Like she's like, I want to leave
this pen so someone can like if 

1585
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,560
they change their mind, like 
reach out for help or she's 

1586
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:31,480
like, I don't know, she just 
gets upset like when they are 

1587
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:35,200
unable to, to do that in a way 
that doesn't feel forced. 

1588
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,960
And it's interesting because she
seems to have been like kind of 

1589
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:44,680
like pushed into, which is like 
often, you know, for like 

1590
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,720
comparing this to like public 
education, like the, the 

1591
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,920
educators who are essentially 
like good at doing the emotional

1592
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:58,440
side of things are often then 
like overworked or, or kind of 

1593
01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:01,240
like put into like, well, we'll 
just give them like the most 

1594
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:06,400
difficult classes, right? 
The social emotional teachers 

1595
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:11,240
versus the academic ones, yes. 
And and like so for example. 

1596
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,120
Like in the first season where 
like she's kind of put on like, 

1597
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:19,320
I guess like the the duties of 
like she's alone and then going 

1598
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:23,480
to like case to case to case 
instead of like being on the 

1599
01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:24,680
team. 
Does that make sense? 

1600
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:29,000
So like I anyway, I but I I 
really like love her character. 

1601
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,720
I think she's like one of my 
favorite characters. 

1602
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:33,960
I think she's like one of the 
like most subtly complex 

1603
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,080
characters. 
I just, I'm always shocked by 

1604
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:38,680
this performance in terms of how
it. 

1605
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:43,640
Blends like this blue collar 
sort of relatability, but also 

1606
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,920
maternal feeling where she feels
like kind of like Dana, like the

1607
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,480
mother of the ER, the parent of 
the meet the ER, but also as 

1608
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:52,520
these like sharp clinical 
instincts where she's been 

1609
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,000
working the job long enough that
she sees things that other 

1610
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,280
people identify as small and she
sees sees them quickly as big 

1611
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,160
issues. 
I love that. 

1612
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,600
And she also has like really 
warm bedside manner that she 

1613
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,760
does teach other characters to 
have that I think is really 

1614
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,320
important. 
I'm going back to your social 

1615
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,040
emotional point, other 
characters, Whitaker, we've 

1616
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,480
already talked a little bit 
about him. 

1617
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:16,160
He got more screen time this 
season, was more confident, got 

1618
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,640
new hair right. 
He became more of a short king 

1619
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,000
this season. 
Like there's a little bit more 

1620
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,640
confidence. 
There's a little yeah in his 

1621
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,440
step, yes. 
Maybe it was the hair. 

1622
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,200
Maybe it was the whole farm girl
situation. 

1623
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,960
Whoever he's with right now, 
like the woman who he whose 

1624
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,840
husband died under his care the 
year prior, which is a little 

1625
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,960
complicated. 
Seems like he's got a baby now. 

1626
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,680
Oh yeah. 
He was like hey, yeah, he said 

1627
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,720
hi to the baby at the end. 
Yeah, but but. 

1628
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,280
The way that they were talking 
was like, they're like a little 

1629
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,240
family so that. 
Was cute, but he's also going to

1630
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,840
be watching Robbie's stuff. 
We probably haven't identified 

1631
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,320
enough that Robbie this whole 
season has basically been saying

1632
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,760
he's going to drive off a Cliff.
Yeah, figuratively and 

1633
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,360
literally. 
There's a Thelma Louise 

1634
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,000
reference, The Thelma and Louise
reference. 

1635
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,800
Maybe look over to you. 
And kind of laugh for a second, 

1636
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,160
but it was a dead. 
Silent in theaters. 

1637
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,000
So clearly nobody has seen that 
movie in 30 years. 

1638
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,200
But yeah, I wish Whitaker got a 
little bit more to do 

1639
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,480
emotionally. 
There's a moment where he yells 

1640
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:14,720
at Langdon in the office where 
Langdon makes a joke to him 

1641
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:16,680
about something like a very 
small joke. 

1642
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,680
And Whitaker's like, you know, 
it's not funny to, like, say, 

1643
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:21,240
continue saying these things 
about me. 

1644
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,680
Oh, yeah. 
And then and then Whitaker was 

1645
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,680
or Langdon was like, I'm glad. 
You're sticking up for yourself.

1646
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,080
That's an. 
Important quality to have and I 

1647
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,120
was like, this is the kind of 
horse right writing where I'm 

1648
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,320
like the show is suffering from.
What about Samira? 

1649
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:33,560
We haven't talked really about 
her at all. 

1650
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:34,960
She's not going to be back for 
season 3. 

1651
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,360
This was just announced 
recently. 

1652
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,480
Her character is really 
important in season 2 out of all

1653
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:44,440
the younger characters next to. 
Langdon, I think she probably. 

1654
01:23:44,440 --> 01:23:47,720
Has the most screen time and and
script time, Yeah. 

1655
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,680
And I think like Doctor McKay, 
she's also a really like. 

1656
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,280
Important moral character of the
ER right? 

1657
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:59,720
Like in the the first season, 
right, she is called like slow, 

1658
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,040
like I forgot what Robbie like 
calls her, but essentially 

1659
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:08,040
saying that she is slow in 
turning over like beds or 

1660
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,800
turning over like patients 
because she's like taking too 

1661
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,200
long to get their history and 
talking to them and like 

1662
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:19,600
connecting with them. 
And so she ultimately it is 

1663
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:24,680
someone who kind of like calls 
out not only like systemic, you 

1664
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:29,000
know, institutional, I guess, 
like issues with the healthcare 

1665
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,480
system, but she's also talking 
about like, bias and treatment, 

1666
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:36,120
right? 
Like her a big kind of subplot 

1667
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:41,400
of her character in Season 1 is 
talking about like racism in the

1668
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,560
ER. 
And I think it's season 2. 

1669
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,440
She is more so like focused on 
the Orlando case. 

1670
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,480
And I think, like her emotional 
performance is something that 

1671
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:57,480
like, brings a lot to the to the
show because she's not doing a 

1672
01:24:57,480 --> 01:25:00,960
lot of like, I guess what a lot 
of other characters are doing, 

1673
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:07,520
which is like speechifying her, 
like emotional connection to a 

1674
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:12,360
patient is often like doing a 
lot of that work and then 

1675
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,760
letting the, like, case speak 
for itself. 

1676
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,320
Yeah. 
So I, I'm sad to, like, see her 

1677
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:19,960
go. 
I do think, though, that 

1678
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,360
sometimes, like with her writing
in season 1, like something's 

1679
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:27,520
felt weirdly like it was it was 
like the literal like, line for 

1680
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,120
line readings that are not her 
fault. 

1681
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:36,040
But I think like, we're 
awkwardly phrased in ways that 

1682
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:40,120
like they didn't give Mckay's 
character, for example, but I 

1683
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,720
think that her and McKay serve a
similar purpose. 

1684
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,160
I think McKay gets better 
writing. 

1685
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,840
So this goes to maybe the last 
thing we can talk about on this.

1686
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:54,600
Deep dive and my ultimately my 
main criticism with this show is

1687
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,720
that sometimes the pit feels 
like APSA, feels like a school 

1688
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,800
ad, like one of those, like a 
dare. 

1689
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:01,840
Exactly. 
I was going to say a dare ad 

1690
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,080
like an anti drug or anti 
texting and driving video. 

1691
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:06,800
Yeah. 
And it's weakest writing moments

1692
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,600
for sure. 
Like people? 

1693
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,560
Know these videos, you've seen 
them in school probably or 

1694
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:11,600
we've. 
Seen them in health class or 

1695
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,000
you've seen them in like 
advertisements on YouTube, 

1696
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,840
whatever where a character says 
exactly the point of a scene 

1697
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,440
instead of behaving like a 
person and the messaging can 

1698
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:22,240
feel so heavy-handed. 
And yes, the politics of the 

1699
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:26,080
show are amazing considering 
it's a show about an ER, what 

1700
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,480
they bring into the show is so 
is so kind of provocative and 

1701
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:32,960
borderline transgressive for 
mainstream prestige television. 

1702
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,320
Or at least you. 
I think you could actually say 

1703
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:40,280
it is, but sometimes it just 
feels like there there's a. 

1704
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,080
Character going like. 
Are you going to come out with 

1705
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:44,760
the boys tonight? 
And then they're like, I don't 

1706
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,480
think so. 
I got a test in the morning, 

1707
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:49,240
like are you kidding me? 
Like by 1:00 AM we're going to 

1708
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,520
be home by 1. 
You'll get 7 hours of sleep like

1709
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,360
all right, I'll do it. 
Cuts like jump cuts to the 

1710
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:56,560
person like drooling on their 
test the next morning Like 

1711
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,000
that's kind of the energy of 
some of these scenes. 

1712
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,280
Yeah or or my got a pocket. 
No, no, I think that's true. 

1713
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,280
That's what I'm saying. 
Like I think Samira got like. 

1714
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,240
Writing she's a big part of that
in the first season where 

1715
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:11,760
instead of like with the the 
patient like it was well done 

1716
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,280
when and then the patient like 
comes into the ER and she's 

1717
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,480
like, you know stop like 
basically like violently 

1718
01:27:19,480 --> 01:27:23,440
handling like this person and 
there is like racial profiling 

1719
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:27,280
going on. 
But then like then she like kind

1720
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,840
of spells out multiple times 
like what's happening. 

1721
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,520
And then there's just moments 
where like she's like talking to

1722
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,360
Whitaker, for example, and she's
like, here are the statistics or

1723
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,320
something. 
And it just feels like that's 

1724
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,480
not something that someone would
say. 

1725
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:43,200
Like it's a definitely like 
APSA, yeah. 

1726
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,000
Like writing somebody explaining
what microaggressions is to 

1727
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:47,600
somebody. 
And like I think there are. 

1728
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,320
Other ways to make the same 
exact? 

1729
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,080
Point that would feel more like 
someone was saying that to 

1730
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,360
someone they had a like 
relationship with. 

1731
01:27:56,680 --> 01:28:00,800
And yeah, so I I think that's 
like in a lot of different 

1732
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,400
characters too. 
It's also tough because I 

1733
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:04,440
teaching Gen. 
Z for the past 10 years. 

1734
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:06,680
There are. 
Like that does like the moral 

1735
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:10,560
policing and language policing 
from kid to kid because they're 

1736
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,640
because it's such an awkward 
thing to do. 

1737
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,120
It doesn't feel like a human 
beings talking to another human 

1738
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,280
being. 
So I have seen it a lot in 

1739
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:20,160
person and it does sort of come 
off as whatever they're trying 

1740
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:21,960
to explore with Samira's 
character in the show. 

1741
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,760
So maybe that's intentional, but
not really like it shows up 

1742
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,520
being critical of it. 
So I guess that's kind of the 

1743
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,800
unexamined part of it. 
In fact, the reason she's 

1744
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,160
leaving is because there's like 
family problems that she's 

1745
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:35,320
having and now she wants to work
in like a different profession 

1746
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:40,080
or an adjacent profession, which
another one of the doctors, 

1747
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,520
who's the other doctors? 
Who's the ultrasound like plot? 

1748
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,320
Or whatever where she's like, I 
am not submitting my application

1749
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:52,080
for ultrasound. 
But yeah, I mean, I think like 

1750
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:58,120
ultimately, you know, that we 
like, I think we need messaging 

1751
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:02,920
like that in these like shows 
that are made for broader 

1752
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:04,200
audiences, I guess. 
So, yeah. 

1753
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:05,600
So like that it's ultimately 
fine. 

1754
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,840
It just feels a lot of the. 
Times like yeah, like. 

1755
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,600
Some writing feels a little 
clunky, like it could just be 

1756
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,360
smoother. 
Yeah, Whitaker has those 

1757
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,240
moments, too, sometimes. 
Yeah. 

1758
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,400
So reportedly, Ellis, Doctor 
Ellis who? 

1759
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,320
I'm very excited to. 
See, more of is going to be 

1760
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:23,640
taking a lot of the screen time 
from Samira Season 3 and Doctor 

1761
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:24,720
Ellis has been kind of in and 
out. 

1762
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,240
I think she's a part of the 
night shift in season 1 and 2, 

1763
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,840
which is exciting. 
I think we'll probably get more 

1764
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:31,000
of Abbott. 
Yeah, I like her too. 

1765
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,680
Javadi seems like she's finished
switched. 

1766
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:34,920
Careers. 
Abbott's OK. 

1767
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:36,080
Really. 
Yeah, he really. 

1768
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,120
Got me choked up last. 
Night when he was telling Robbie

1769
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,160
that he's basically killing 
himself at that ER, but he also 

1770
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,040
needs that place. 
So he needs to basically go on a

1771
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,200
sabbatical to find some time and
some peace. 

1772
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:53,040
I, I like his whole like Marine 
routine in the ER Like I've 

1773
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:57,120
worked with teachers like that. 
And it is a very effective 

1774
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:02,040
strategy to get like to try to 
do a job with a lot of people 

1775
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,920
that you're responsible for as 
if you're on a team together, 

1776
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,000
like a sports team or just like 
a military. 

1777
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,720
I also think him and Aloshimi 
relating about what happened to 

1778
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,720
her, and I think Afghanistan was
like pretty powerful too. 

1779
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,680
And her PTSD that she kind of 
suffers throughout the the film 

1780
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,760
when she sees the child and has 
her seizures too, and isn't 

1781
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,440
totally able to locate maybe a 
connection there, which I think 

1782
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:27,600
they're going to explore in 
Season 3. 

1783
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:29,760
When she started crying in her 
car in the finale, that really 

1784
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,440
got me, too. 
Yeah, you said film. 

1785
01:30:31,480 --> 01:30:33,600
And I guess it did feel like a 
movie last year in the. 

1786
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,720
Theater, but no, yeah, I mean, 
I, I just think Abbott's OK in 

1787
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:40,080
terms of like, I like his 
character, but there are certain

1788
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,640
things I I think about like 
maybe I'm just connecting it and

1789
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,160
like projecting like other 
masculinity that feels like this

1790
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:51,920
like military like vibe of like 
I when I step into the room, I 

1791
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,240
command respect kind of like 
thing that I'm just like 

1792
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:58,960
connecting to men who I've met 
with his similar kind of like 

1793
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,960
personality outside of things. 
He wears it better than most of 

1794
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,280
them He does of that mold, I 
would say yeah. 

1795
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:06,920
And so, yeah. 
So he's fine. 

1796
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,400
And I, I like his character. 
Is there anyone else? 

1797
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:11,440
Javadi. 
Javadi. 

1798
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:15,080
Yeah. 
I thought that there are like, 

1799
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,560
parts of each season where I, 
I'm really interested in her 

1800
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:19,760
character. 
And then there's parts where 

1801
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,200
they just, like, totally leave 
her in the dust. 

1802
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,120
I would even say they have no 
idea what to do with this 

1803
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,560
character. 
Yeah, because I like the. 

1804
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,920
Performer, she got to be more of
like, I've seen her on press and

1805
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,880
like red carpets and she's like 
a pretty like bubbly person and 

1806
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,720
they let her do a little bit of 
that this season. 

1807
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:37,400
Season 1, they made her like so 
robotic and sterile and like a 

1808
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,960
kid who's been sheltered, who's 
very privileged, yeah, who's 

1809
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,160
been stuck in a position because
she's like a genius at 20 years 

1810
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,560
old that probably she's too 
young to enter into. 

1811
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,760
It's so traumatizing. 
It's also like hard to. 

1812
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,000
I mean, maybe this is a 
situation in like the. 

1813
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:53,960
Medical field where you have 
like the child geniuses, so like

1814
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,320
people who are like going into a
profession young or something. 

1815
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,480
But ultimately it was like it's 
just like hard to sympathize 

1816
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,840
with her character in terms of 
like the plot line that they 

1817
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,200
give her. 
The the story arc of like mom 

1818
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:08,520
and dad both work here. 
And like, I'm rejecting this or 

1819
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,800
like the idea of like, I wish 
mom would have told me I love 

1820
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:15,840
she loved me more kind of thing.
Like there what there were 

1821
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,520
interesting moments where like 
when the mom came in and was 

1822
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,800
like, why don't you know this in
front of everyone? 

1823
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,960
And Whitaker was like, oh, I got
to like leave or McKay, you 

1824
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,080
know, it was like we're getting 
a call from a patient and like 

1825
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:27,120
got her out of there kind of 
thing. 

1826
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,640
So there were like interesting, 
like family, I guess, like 

1827
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:35,400
moments that emotionally, you 
know, made you like empathize 

1828
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,080
with her character. 
But ultimately, like, it's kind 

1829
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:42,600
of like it was just a 
interesting play plot line that 

1830
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,480
her, yeah, her character just. 
Felt like more. 

1831
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:49,640
Sheltered and her whole kind of 
like a lot of her lines were 

1832
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,440
like, I am like older than I 
seem or like I I deserve to be 

1833
01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:55,240
here and everyone was like we 
weren't saying you weren't the 

1834
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,640
kind of thing. 
So it was like a very strange 

1835
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:02,000
thing. 
Also like, by the way, I don't 

1836
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:07,640
know how this works with like 
the whole like student doctor 

1837
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:12,920
situation, but like there are 
moments in the show where it's 

1838
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,800
like there and someone's like, I
actually don't want someone 

1839
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,280
who's doing this for the first 
time to like cut me open. 

1840
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:22,840
And then the attendees are like,
well, you came to a hospital 

1841
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,400
like where it's a, it's a 
teaching hospital. 

1842
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:27,120
And so like, go ahead, like go 
for it. 

1843
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:28,640
And like, is that public 
knowledge? 

1844
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,920
Because I I. 
You know, until I. 

1845
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:36,360
Really had to get like major 
surgeries. 

1846
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,480
Didn't really, I didn't 
understand the difference 

1847
01:33:39,480 --> 01:33:43,760
between like teaching hospitals 
and I was like, I don't can I 

1848
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,520
ask? 
So like, I I don't actually want

1849
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,480
this. 
The first time someone's doing 

1850
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:49,400
this. 
It's insane. 

1851
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:53,040
Yeah, those those were always 
like so jarring. 

1852
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:57,000
I was like, wait, they can say 
no, Yeah. 

1853
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,560
Or they can't say no. 
Anyway, yeah, so but I. 

1854
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:05,120
Liked I liked at least the like 
I liked your body's the angle on

1855
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,200
her character to like kind of be
someone who is a proponent of 

1856
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,000
like public knowledge through 
her TikTok. 

1857
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,800
But it still wasn't like totally
a little cringe. 

1858
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,040
It's like let's take the one 
Gen. 

1859
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,000
Z slash output kit like. 
A doll and make them a TikTok 

1860
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:18,800
influencer. 
I was like, all right. 

1861
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:26,160
And I think Whitaker convinces 
her to go into psychiatry. 

1862
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:28,320
Unclear. 
Oh, yeah, Right. 

1863
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,400
Yeah. 
So that was sweet, I guess. 

1864
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,040
So she might not be bad. 
The the scene at the end where 

1865
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:38,600
in the last episode where she's 
like to Robbie, like I think I 

1866
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,040
want to go into psychiatry and 
she's like, is do you think I 

1867
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,560
can do it? 
And he's like, I think you do 

1868
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,560
anything you want to like 
anything you put your mind to. 

1869
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:52,920
And she was like, OK, like, I 
don't know, I but you weren't 

1870
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,000
into that. 
No, no, I was saying I liked it.

1871
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:56,840
Emotionally, but I'm just I. 
I was. 

1872
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,040
Laughing at myself because I 
just repeated the scene. 

1873
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:00,720
Yeah. 
And you did the same response 

1874
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,840
the actress did, which was sort 
of confused. 

1875
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,520
Anyway, I thought it was a sweet
moment, OK? 

1876
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,920
Anything else about the show 
that you want to talk about? 

1877
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:14,120
From the season or that finale. 
Sad ending for Al Shimi's 

1878
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:15,800
character. 
Very sad. 

1879
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,680
Very sad, yeah. 
Especially because I was falling

1880
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,080
in love with her every episode. 
Yeah. 

1881
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,120
I was like, Oh no, my. 
Queen, don't cry. 

1882
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,080
Yeah, yeah, I really like her. 
Let me I didn't get to shout 

1883
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,000
some of these actors just very 
quickly as we end today's 

1884
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:30,560
episode. 
We've seen a lot of character 

1885
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,680
names. 
Noah Wiley, Taylor Dearden, 

1886
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:37,120
Catherine, Lanasa, Lanasa. 
I'm going to butcher these 

1887
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:38,960
names, so I apologize. 
Who plays Dana? 

1888
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,040
Issa Browns? 
Who plays Santos? 

1889
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,200
Santos? 
Supriya Ganesh? 

1890
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:50,320
Who plays Samira Mohan? 
Patrick Ball, Langdon Shot Sean.

1891
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,200
OK, I can't read today. 
You know what? 

1892
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:53,000
We're not going to do this. 
Yeah. 

1893
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:54,120
Wait. 
Why are you doing this? 

1894
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,280
I just felt bad we kept saying 
their character names and not. 

1895
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:57,640
Saying they're actors names but 
you. 

1896
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:01,080
Can look them up guys, there's 
can it say Sean, everyone's 

1897
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:06,680
great, I think across the board.
Across the board, like the. 

1898
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,160
Performances that are all. 
So strong, and it's what makes 

1899
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:13,560
some of the writing that isn't 
as successful, like it makes the

1900
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,360
show really strong. 
Yeah. 

1901
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:22,600
OK, my final thoughts are. 
Well, actually, fuck. 

1902
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:23,840
Final thoughts, I want to get 
out of here. 

1903
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,440
Let's just do a quick top ten. 
I want to do with my top 10 

1904
01:36:26,440 --> 01:36:28,600
characters. 
My top ten favorite characters. 

1905
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:32,640
No explanation Mateo though. 
OK, like got cut out of the 

1906
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:33,520
season for? 
What? 

1907
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:34,640
I wonder? 
I don't know. 

1908
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:37,320
Mateo. 
Mateo. 

1909
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:40,640
Night shift. 
I think we should get, you know,

1910
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,760
predictions for Season 3. 
I think we deserve a night 

1911
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,720
shift, six months of the pit, 
and then a day shift six months 

1912
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:49,320
of the pit. 
If the pit was always on TV, 

1913
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:54,200
we'll be all be happier. 
All the time, that is. 

1914
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,360
Interesting. 
I feel like they. 

1915
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,360
Yeah, as this country falls 
apart, we can just slowly all 

1916
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:01,440
join the. 
Pit Fandom. 

1917
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,320
Oh yeah, yeah. 
The predictions? 

1918
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:07,680
Oh, we didn't. 
Even talk about Robbie like 

1919
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,680
holding the. 
Baby the baby does he adopt the 

1920
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,440
baby seems like it I know they 
were trying to say he was giving

1921
01:37:12,440 --> 01:37:15,000
the baby like that he's. 
Giving he's doing self talk 

1922
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,200
through baby right right Mel the
lawsuit. 

1923
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,200
Or poor Mel. 
Or poor Mel. 

1924
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:22,360
I I don't think anything's going
to happen from that. 

1925
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,200
I think it was just. 
A She couldn't take the 

1926
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:25,120
courtroom. 
Yeah. 

1927
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:30,400
Langdon divorce I was. 
That even a plot of this season,

1928
01:37:31,480 --> 01:37:33,640
I think. 
It's a question, OK, He brought 

1929
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:34,920
it up to. 
Santos, which feels. 

1930
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,040
Like something, if it's on top 
of your mind, you'd bring it up,

1931
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,960
I guess. 
So Al Ashimi returning as a 

1932
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:40,720
different kind of. 
Role. 

1933
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,520
Maybe not. 
Intending maybe like a floater 

1934
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:44,680
like Dana, maybe one of her 
roles. 

1935
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:51,200
Samira is not returning. 
Who will Mateo hook up with? 

1936
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:55,200
Javadi or who's the other woman?
McKay. 

1937
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,800
In the first season we were like
there was something. 

1938
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,960
That it was like an unclear 
storyline, right? 

1939
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:06,800
Like they were hanging out, but 
then Mckay's husband was like, 

1940
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:09,520
jealous of Mateo and like, 
talking about him as he was 

1941
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,640
going under her anesthesia and 
all that was really funny with 

1942
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,760
all the, like, everyone around 
him and all the women being 

1943
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,280
like, oh, there's like something
we didn't realize. 

1944
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:22,360
Yeah, it was weird that he was 
cut out because I liked his 

1945
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,240
character so much. 
I guess Whitaker taking over 

1946
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:26,440
Robbie's place. 
Oh, Robbie was helping out one 

1947
01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:28,280
of his. 
Biker guys the whole season, 

1948
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,960
that actor was really good. 
He was, he was a good actor, but

1949
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,320
I was just like, it was a big. 
Subplop. 

1950
01:38:33,480 --> 01:38:36,840
It was too much. 
Like I didn't need it. 

1951
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:38,600
Yeah, yeah, Took. 
Too much time. 

1952
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:40,880
His biker friend fixed his bike 
and he fixed. 

1953
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,160
His soul. 
OK, I'm going to do my top 10 

1954
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:48,120
characters very quickly. 
No explanation #10 Whitaker 

1955
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:56,240
Abbott tie #9 joy #8 samira #7 
Robbie #6 Dana. 

1956
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,000
It's a little high for me, 
actually. 

1957
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,920
Let me think of this. 
I'll leave it whatever. 5 McKay 

1958
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:03,880
Dana over Robbie, what you're 
saying? 

1959
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:05,680
Because she's the, she's really 
the heart. 

1960
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:07,680
Well, I mean, Robbie is pissing 
me off this season. 

1961
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,360
Yeah. 
I mean, it's not, it's not 

1962
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:10,640
performances. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1963
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:15,400
Four Santos 3. 
Langdon I did it. 

1964
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,320
I put Langdon over Santos. 
What do you want from me #2 All 

1965
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:25,280
Ashimi and #1 I thought Joy was 
going to be higher for you. 

1966
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:27,400
Joy's going to be a top five 
character for me by the. 

1967
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:29,000
End of season 3 if they don't 
bring joy. 

1968
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:29,800
Back. 
I riot. 

1969
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:31,320
I love joy. 
I love Joy. 

1970
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:32,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1971
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,720
I'm in some honorable mentions, 
Obviously. 

1972
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,840
Javadi Perla, Princess Ellis, 
Mateo Shen. 

1973
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,880
We've not talked about Shen. 
Nothing bothers that man. 

1974
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,400
Nonchalant king. 
The one coming in with his 

1975
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:46,440
Dunkin' Donuts. 
Yes. 

1976
01:39:46,440 --> 01:39:48,200
Yeah. 
What do you think about that? 

1977
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:50,440
List. 
I think it's interesting. 

1978
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:53,440
I don't even know who your. 
Favorite character is. 

1979
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:56,800
I'm interested to see who. 
It moves on to this list once. 

1980
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,880
We, like, have people from the 
night shift come into our lives.

1981
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,400
Yeah, there's a few new 
characters who are working 

1982
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:04,680
toward the end of the season who
had who I. 

1983
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:05,840
Don't even have their names 
here. 

1984
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:11,480
Yeah, I don't think, Mel. 
Is my favorite. 

1985
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:16,480
Yeah, all Shimi will be. 
My favorite, probably by the 

1986
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:20,320
time we start next season. 
If we had only like I think Al 

1987
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,440
Ashimi is like one of my. 
Favorite characters at the end 

1988
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:24,720
of the season? 
But in the first part of the 

1989
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:27,880
season I was like, what is all 
this AI mess like that's 

1990
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:31,600
happening? 
I To be honest, she's fucking 

1991
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,200
gorgeous. 
And I was like, you could 

1992
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:35,960
generate AI right in front of 
me. 

1993
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:37,400
I'd be. 
Like whatever generate. 

1994
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,840
AII don't give a shit. 
I. 

1995
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,640
Think McKay. 
Is my favorite character. 

1996
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:48,960
I think so. 
OK, that makes sense. 

1997
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:53,640
Yeah, she's she's my 5th, but. 
I could easily see her at #1 And

1998
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,680
do you have a least favorite or 
do you? 

1999
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,000
Have a Samira wasn't on your. 
List. 

2000
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,840
Yeah, she. 
Was she was like #8 I think. 

2001
01:40:59,960 --> 01:41:00,600
Oh, yeah. 
Yeah. 

2002
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:01,200
Sorry. 
Yeah. 

2003
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:02,640
You went fast. 
Yeah. 

2004
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:09,000
Whitaker, Abbott, Joy Mohan. 
Robbie, Dana. 

2005
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:11,120
McKay, Santos. 
Langdon. 

2006
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:16,240
Ahoshimi, Mel. 
I think it's probably. 

2007
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,000
In no particular. 
Order. 

2008
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:29,280
McKay, Dana. 
Mel Santos, Whitaker, Samira 

2009
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:31,280
Joy. 
Wow. 

2010
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,480
No particular order. 
All the characters. 

2011
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:36,400
In no particular order, I'm 
going to give you all the 

2012
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,760
characters of The Pit. 
Were those all women or did you 

2013
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,120
say Langdon? 
No, I didn't think I said a guy.

2014
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:44,000
I don't know. 
Oh, wait, no, I said Whitaker. 

2015
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:47,480
Interesting. 
No, I don't even know what I. 

2016
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:50,080
Know Langdon, but Whitaker, 
well, I. 

2017
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,040
Like Langdon? 
OK, interesting. 

2018
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:57,600
I don't know. 
Who do you most relate to? 

2019
01:41:59,000 --> 01:41:59,840
Probably McKay. 
I was going. 

2020
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:02,120
To say McKay for me as well. 
Yeah, that's interesting. 

2021
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,960
All right, let us know who you 
love from the show. 

2022
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:08,120
Give us your top five in the 
comments if you're listening on 

2023
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,600
Spotify or shoot us an e-mail. 
Don't forget to follow our 

2024
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,960
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description of this episode. 

2025
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:16,360
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2026
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:18,640
get access to 100 bonus episodes
on the Patreon. 

2027
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:22,640
What else do we want to plug? 
What else are we doing this? 

2028
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:28,920
We're doing the notebook and. 
Romantic blockbusters, action 

2029
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,040
blockbusters, sort of. 
Yeah, Patreon, we're doing The 

2030
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,320
notebook. 
Like I just said, that is an 

2031
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,480
action blockbuster. 
The Notebook speed. 

2032
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,640
I can't wait to talk. 
About Sandra Bullock and Keanu 

2033
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,800
Reeves, My 2 loves and we're 
going to rewatch Miss 

2034
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:45,920
Congeniality. 
It's happening. 

2035
01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:49,800
And then which I just recently 
got a shout out on Las 

2036
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:53,400
Culturistas, which I will talk 
about on that episode and The 

2037
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:58,000
Mummy. 
We also just covered for our 

2038
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:03,400
kind of romantic action 
blockbuster on the main feed, 

2039
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:07,240
the drama with Zendaya and Rob 
Pat, you're totally pitching 

2040
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:12,760
this the horribly. 
No, the pitch was we were doing.

2041
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:17,080
Romantic blockbuster month. 
For the drama which is we picked

2042
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:21,240
3 sub genres of romantic movies 
which are like the timeless kind

2043
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:25,680
of like archetypal is the word 
archetypal level outlive us 

2044
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:30,240
archetypical archetypal. 
Tell us in the comments the 

2045
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,800
notebook, which is the kind of. 
Basic conventional romance, but 

2046
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,680
also great, great film, great 
performances. 

2047
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:40,960
And then we have an action movie
and Speed, and then we have an 

2048
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:44,880
adventure movie and The Mummy, 
which are all centered by their 

2049
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:50,240
romances because of the drama. 
Because of the drama, you know 

2050
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:51,000
what? 
I didn't pitch. 

2051
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,480
It well, either I think it's 
then of the of the extra credits

2052
01:43:53,480 --> 01:43:55,520
today. 
We'll be back soon with an 

2053
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,240
episode on Lee Cronin's The 
Mummy, which is really 

2054
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:02,640
pretentious title for a movie. 
Your name is a director and then

2055
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:04,880
the Mummy. 
I literally actually the dead 

2056
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:08,280
ass I think it is. 
Hold on, no way, Lee Cronin's I 

2057
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:09,680
watched the trailer in a theatre
when I went to. 

2058
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:11,160
Steelberg's disclosure. 
Day. 

2059
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:15,800
Lee Cronin's The Mummy or. 
Simply the mummy. 

2060
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:16,880
That's what it says in the 
Wikipedia. 

2061
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:17,440
Page. 
That's wild. 

2062
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:19,360
It is called Lee Cronin's The 
Mummy. 

2063
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:20,760
That is the official title of 
the film. 

2064
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:22,160
That's fast. 
It's on the poster. 

2065
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,560
This is evil dead guy. 
It's so I watched the trailer 

2066
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:27,040
and went. 
That looks like Evil Dead, and I

2067
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:27,960
was kind of excited. 
I'm like. 

2068
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,320
Oh, someone did an Evil Dead 
meets Exorcist meets Conjuring 

2069
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,840
the Mummy. 
I'm this sounds awesome. 

2070
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:33,720
It's going to be a great 3 1/2 
star movie. 

2071
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,480
And then I saw the guy made the 
most recent Evil Dead movie and 

2072
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,080
I was like, that makes a lot of 
sense. 

2073
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:41,200
I didn't see that. 
Yeah, it'll be very similar. 

2074
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:42,560
It's going to be gross. 
Can't wait. 

2075
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:43,000
We're. 
Going to do. 

2076
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,480
We're going to cover that on. 
Friday probably. 

2077
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:46,040
So I'll see you all then. 
Peace. 

2078
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:46,840
Bye.