1 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,160 Welcome to the extra credits of Project Hail Mary. 2 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,520 I'm Trey. And I'm Kelsey. 3 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,320 I wish I could insert a Ryan Gosling scream right now. 4 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,320 Oh, so we just saw an early screening of this movie a few 5 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,960 days ago in a packed house. The reception so far going into 6 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,760 opening weekend is very, very positive because for whatever 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,120 reason, there are early screenings across the country 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,520 over the past two weeks, not just for critics but for regular 9 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,440 movie goers. There are some calling it an 10 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,480 Interstellar experience, which after seeing the movie I 11 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:51,280 understand why that was the example used. 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,200 I liked this movie, but I think a lot of the reaction I've seen 13 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:02,040 so far in the 4.4 or whatever it is on Letterbox right now is has 14 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,080 to be has to be just content creators like capitalizing on 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,560 this being the biggest movie in theaters over the next few weeks 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,760 because. 100%. This is not interstellar. 17 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:13,120 Yes, it's certainly not interstellar. 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,120 Or any like great sci-fi film? For that, it is a testament to 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,840 Ryan Gosling's charm and acting. That is exactly what it. 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:27,960 Is sure, but it is. It is a ET space friendship 21 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,520 movie. Yes, that's a fact. 22 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:36,840 That is not a drama completely. It is more like a comedic buddy 23 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,560 comedy. Yeah, sort of drama, but not 24 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,240 really. It's. 25 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,440 It's a lot of everything and sort of nothing at the same 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,000 time, but I had a good time watching it. 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,440 Before we get into a synopsis, non spoiler talk and then deeper 28 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,240 into spoiler talk. The Doom 3 trailer came out. 29 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,280 It it did you literally just watched it? 30 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,760 I did. I saw it yesterday. 31 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,480 I just did a TikTok. On I thought you're going to 32 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,440 wait for me. To watch it, I know. 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,600 Well, because of the TikTok thing. 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,120 Now I'm like, I have to jump on things. 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,680 And I watched the Spider Man trailer today. 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,560 Yeah, yeah. I like the Spider Man trailer. 37 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,880 I don't have much to say there outside of it's very exciting to 38 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,920 be going back to the Sam Raimi framework of Spider Man because 39 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:15,000 it looks like Tom Holland is going back to his roots as Peter 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,320 Parker and what the everyday life is for Peter, even if it is 41 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,920 in this like Doctor Strange mutated world where nobody 42 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:24,760 remembers him. Doom part three. 43 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,360 What do you think about the trailer? 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:28,720 Are you excited? I'm excited. 45 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,440 I am too. Yeah, it looks great. 46 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,800 It does look good. I think we have some like false 47 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,320 images that that were shown to us which are exciting. 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,680 Interesting. Well, why don't we just say what 49 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:41,200 it is? I mean. 50 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,200 Oh, I guess, I guess because the trailer is available to the 51 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,880 public. The false image being Zendaya. 52 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:51,200 Yeah, Zendaya and Timmy together, because at the end of 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,120 the trailer it has like Zendaya with a knife, which I'm assuming 54 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,680 she's going to go to kill Timmy, right? 55 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,520 And it just looks so good. We didn't really get at least I 56 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,640 mean I only watched it once and just literally seconds ago, but 57 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:12,480 I didn't really see too much of the the Skarsgard or like the 58 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:13,560 the. Imperium. 59 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,640 No, the I'm forgetting their names now. 60 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:16,920 The Harkonnen. Yeah. 61 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,800 And I guess like Rob Pattinson is going to kind of take the 62 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,040 place of a different space family in this succession space 63 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,360 drama. He looks like a mix of 64 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,600 Christopher Walken meets the guy from The Da Vinci Code. 65 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:34,160 I OK, I was going to say it's giving written by Paul Schrader. 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,280 He it looks like Da Vinci Code guy but also in like first 67 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,240 Reformed. Paul Pett is. 68 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Yeah, I'm so excited for whatever Rob, Pat. 69 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,280 Has going on I want to know they didn't give us Pattinson's voice 70 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,120 and based on his history of voice acting. 71 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,800 I am Gen. Z. 72 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,280 All I can think about. Or like the Miyazaki movie he 73 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,200 did where I think he was the the giant bird or or seagull, 74 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:05,280 whatever, or devil all the time and a lot of other movies. 75 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,480 The King. Yeah, that's the most iconic one 76 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,280 probably. You're right. 77 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,880 This is very exciting. It is very exciting that Timothy 78 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,320 Chalmay fought a very impressive Austin Butler and fader out the 79 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,360 and now looks like he's going to be fighting Pattinson. 80 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,360 Very exciting. Denis, come on the show we have, 81 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,760 we feel like we have a similar interests. 82 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,920 Denis also saw the king. Yeah, it was a big fan. 83 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,600 He saw the mud fight. What I'm interested in is how 84 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,560 Denis is going to finish this exploration of white Messiah 85 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,760 myths and this critique of white savior dumb and ultimately the 86 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,960 subversion. It's like genius trilogy 87 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,000 subversion of luring, you know, Western audiences into what they 88 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,600 think is a hero story only to twist that and be like you've 89 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,320 been watching a villain origin story. 90 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,160 That is very exciting to me. It's so Denevon of coded like 91 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,720 that's like his entire project of studying colonialism and 92 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,120 imperialism in this films. So I'm I'm in I'm in on that. 93 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:05,720 And Timmy as space fascist looked good. 94 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,760 I understand why he shaved his head now, because that was that 95 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,040 was the question for a long time. 96 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,920 Oh, I always thought, well, I had thought it was for Marty 97 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,120 Supreme. Wait, does he have hair? 98 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,680 Marty Supreme. He's got a nice hair. 99 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:18,840 He's got some. Yeah. 100 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,240 I was like, what? What do you mean? 101 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,920 Wait, OK, I guess yeah for Dune then yeah. 102 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,040 Why do I picture him like with? A buzz cut, I'm not sure. 103 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,640 I think a lot of the press, he was having a buzz cut because he 104 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,680 was shooting Dune 3 while doing press for Marty Supreme. 105 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,280 So it's hard to disconnect to me from the the performances. 106 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,720 The last thing I want to bring up is going back to the the 107 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,000 subversive imagery being used. I think Paul was having a vision 108 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,000 of that seems likely Johnny and their child and naming it Leto, 109 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,560 the Oscar Isaac's character, the father figure, because that's 110 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,160 really Paul's main mission is like, I'm trying to avenge my, 111 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,360 you know, the the death of my family symbolically, but also my 112 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,680 father. And he will do it and sacrifice 113 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,080 billions of people to do it. Like that seems like what his 114 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,120 plan is. I haven't read the books. 115 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,480 We haven't read Frank Herbert's novels. 116 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,920 We have no idea how the. I did, but honestly, I don't 117 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,760 know that I'll have. I mean, yeah, so, but I, I don't 118 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,320 know that I'll have, you know, the amount of hours to listen to 119 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,760 it. I probably won't. 120 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,000 We're just really busy. Doesn't seem likely. 121 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,480 And also, I just like being surprised in movies. 122 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,840 Like, I like the shock. But obviously George Lucas 123 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:31,280 already iterated on Paul with Anakin, so I kind of know where 124 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,840 this is going to go, or at least I think I do. 125 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,760 So yeah. But when they talk about the 126 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,400 baby and then they cut to Paul cleaning his, you know, bald ass 127 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,640 head, I was like, OK, I see what's going on here. 128 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:45,600 The transfer transformation to, you know, fascist. 129 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,640 OK, interesting. Do. 130 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,320 You think that he'll have like a yelling at Obi Wan, you know 131 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,960 situation. Would that be Duncan Idaho? 132 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,680 Who would that be? The return of Duncan Idaho, by 133 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,200 the way, Jason Momoa. Surprising. 134 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:01,040 Well, I assumed that was like some sort of some sort of 135 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,000 technology that the Bennett Jesuits have access to of like 136 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,720 recreating A synthetic kind of situation. 137 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,800 The Bennett Jesuits got 5G. By the way, the Bennett deserts 138 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,080 look amazing. Yeah, they do. 139 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,680 I love how spooky they are. And it's tell Her Joy. 140 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,480 It looks like she's actually playing a character in this 141 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,200 movie, which is exciting. Florence Pugh is back. 142 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,200 I think there's some other cast members too. 143 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,320 So Dune Part 3 looks good. Denevonov really hasn't failed 144 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,040 us in terms of making great films. 145 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,080 If not sometimes problematic, that's a whole other 146 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,960 conversation. I don't think this is going to 147 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,560 have the same issues as Doom Part 2 that we criticize it for, 148 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,400 even though we thought it was like maybe the best movie of the 149 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,480 year. And we're huge fans of Doom Part 150 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,080 1. I think that's both of our like 151 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,480 favorite of the two Dune films and you can listen to those 152 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,760 episodes on Patreon. Speaking of Patreon, today is a 153 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,000 Ryan Gosling episode, so we will be putting his best performance 154 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,360 of his career that we recovered on Patreon and the Nice Guys for 155 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,000 free for free members. You have access to that if you 156 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,480 sign up in the description for Patreon as a free member. 157 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,480 A lot of Ryan Gosling screams there. 158 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,120 A lot of the Ryan Gosling screams. 159 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,560 I think we also do a career retrospective and. 160 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,560 I think we do. I don't remember anything that 161 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,640 we said. Canada, yeah, we get into it. 162 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Yeah. I think we rank his movies. 163 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,080 Yeah, Yeah. So it was a huge episode and I 164 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,440 think I genuinely do think that is his best performance. 165 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,280 I think so too. I think that movie captures what 166 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,400 his skills are. And today in Project Hail Mary, 167 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:34,240 we will also talk about how it is wild that the movie is mostly 168 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,679 just with Ryan Gosling. Yeah, it's Ryan Gosling the 169 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,159 movie. It's a testament to how much 170 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:44,360 people want to see him in his comedic element and spend time 171 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,040 with him honestly. On screen. 172 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,560 We rewatched La La Land last night. 173 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,880 Beautiful film. Five stars, no notes. 174 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,640 If you disagree, don't let us know. 175 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,440 I almost cried at every scene. Yeah, it's amazing. 176 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,920 It's it's a a Kelsey Trey like favorite. 177 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,080 It's in our, you know, top 10 for our relationship. 178 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,480 We saw it when we were in college, so it was like very 179 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,600 formative, but we were like, damn, Ryan Gosling's really 180 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,800 fucking good in this movie. And also he looks so different. 181 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,800 Like he looks so different in Project Hail Mary than he did 182 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,640 then. And they look like two different 183 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,440 people. So if it feels like when I watch 184 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,440 Project Tale Mary, it almost looks a bit. 185 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,440 And I will talk about this with the screenplay a little bit 186 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,920 today, unfortunately, which is a harsh dig, but he looks almost 187 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,000 like AI created him in Project Tale Mary. 188 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,880 It's something that we're. Noticing with like actors 189 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,720 getting filler, you know? I think, well, you said during 190 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,440 the movie like he's he's still hot. 191 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,720 Like, didn't you say that I did, or am I imagining that? 192 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,120 Well, no, yeah, 'cause I, I think, I mean, it's not that I 193 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,840 thought he was not hot, but I think around what was the movie 194 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Fun guy, three guy. The fall guy. 195 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,720 The fall guy. Not not a bad film, good 196 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,120 performance. Yeah, fine. 197 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:57,240 Also using his talents but he looked like a just different 198 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,480 there it looks a. Little bit like plastic. 199 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,960 Yeah, and you can and especially like in Ken and it kind of like 200 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,240 worked into the role in that way for him looking kind of, yeah, 201 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,600 plastic or, or whatever work he's had done. 202 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,480 But here. So then I think going into this 203 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:17,080 movie, I just wasn't expecting to maybe have the like Ryan 204 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,160 Gosling effect of like, oh, wow. Like he's charming, he's 205 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,000 beautiful, love him and his personality. 206 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,600 Like certainly he he gets to kind of like do his thing in in 207 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,240 this movie, but I was also like, wow, he's attractive. 208 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,160 He is, which I wasn't expecting. So non spoiler talk for like the 209 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,920 next few minutes, I'm going to do a quick synopsis and then we 210 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,080 can talk about our initial reaction and we get into deeper 211 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,600 spoilers. I don't think this is going to 212 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,720 be a crazy long podcast, but I did have a good time watching 213 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,960 this movie and I do want to talk about why it's also sort of a 214 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,560 train wreck. Yeah, that's fair too. 215 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:55,800 The movie is called Project Hail Mary and it is based off a 2021 216 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,240 novel that I have not read. But people love huge fandom 217 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,400 around this novel, and the synopsis of this movie is 218 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,160 basically that the world is in shock after scientists observe 219 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,280 that the sun is losing its power or whatever. 220 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,040 It's dimming. I think something's eating the 221 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,640 sun. Something is eating the sun. 222 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,600 It's some kind of like Organism or microorganism. 223 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,800 I think they call it like Astro something, astrophage, something 224 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,560 like that. And they are. 225 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:24,120 The government is warning the public, or at least kids in 226 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,520 middle school classrooms are wondering. 227 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,560 And their science teachers are not allowed to tell them an 228 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:32,880 inconvenient truth, that the Earth has 30 years left before 229 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,840 it basically freezes over and the government approaches a 230 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,240 former molecular biologist who is now a middle school science 231 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,240 teacher. Ryland Grace. 232 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:44,680 I think that's his name. Grace. 233 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:44,960 Yeah. They. 234 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,320 Call him Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling. 235 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,480 Oh, wait. Great. 236 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,360 Wait, that's really funny. Is his name really Ryan? 237 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,480 I wonder in the movie. It is, yeah. 238 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,360 It. Is that's funny? 239 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,360 And the government's like, yo, Ryan Gosling, do you want to 240 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,960 study this astrophage phage thing in the hopes that maybe 241 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,360 you can defeat it or we can defeat it. 242 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:12,360 And he goes on an adventure and he happens to spark up a 243 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,240 surprise friendship in the loneliest place in the universe, 244 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,080 the emptiness of space. I can't say much more without 245 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,560 spoilers. So before we get to spoilers, I 246 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:25,200 want to ask you a question. I was wrestling with this after 247 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,000 watching this a few nights ago, and I've been thinking about it 248 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,320 since. Do you think that there is a 249 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,400 great movie inside Project Hail Mary or did we watch the best 250 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,360 version of a bad movie? Thanks to Ryan Gosling, who 251 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,600 saves a horrible film. And I gave this 3 1/2 stars and 252 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,200 a heart. And I meant it on Letterbox, 253 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,320 which we are a little bit harsh on there sometimes. 254 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,920 Maybe that's pretentious, whatever, but I like had a good 255 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,640 time. Yeah, let's put it this way. 256 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,840 I I liked the movie and throughout the whole movie I was 257 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,800 like, why do I like this? Like this isn't a good movie. 258 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,800 Yeah, I thought about that a lot. 259 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,120 I kept turning to you, like, smiling. 260 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,520 Yeah. And I was like, why am I 261 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,280 enjoying myself right now? I'll never watch it again. 262 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:18,240 I don't think it was a, you know, I, I that's a great 263 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,120 question because one, like, I think there may have been a good 264 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,560 movie in here to like play with. Like I can understand why people 265 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:29,560 maybe really like the book, but it took us a long time to get to 266 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:31,400 the part of the movie that I did enjoy. 267 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,520 And regardless, I was like happy to go along in the first part, 268 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,800 even though there are pacing issues just because I like Ryan 269 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,520 Gosling. So I like watching him. 270 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,560 But so in that sense, like maybe it could be like a good solid 3 271 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:48,400 star movie if we just like cut a lot of fat off of it. 272 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,920 But on the other hand, like it really if we replace Ryan 273 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,440 Gosling the movie. Like with Glenn Powell? 274 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,480 Yeah. Then it falls apart. 275 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,280 Then it's a terrible movie because I think just at least 276 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,080 what the the movie is doing isn't really, there's something 277 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:14,000 interesting and possibly like beautiful and optimistic as like 278 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,040 a children's movie. I was going to bring this up 279 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,640 too. I guess there's a Pixar 280 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,840 commentary about friendship in here. 281 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,440 I wouldn't say that it really like it pushes any boundaries to 282 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:29,000 be truly about that that theme. Well, Phil Lord and Christopher 283 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,560 Miller, the directors of this film, have only ever directed 284 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,640 the Lego Movie, which is very popular for, you know, a 285 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,520 probably younger generation, more people of all ages, I don't 286 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,560 know. But also 21 and 22 Jump St. 287 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,840 They wrote the Spider Man films. They cross the spider verse and 288 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,520 Beyond the spider verse, I believe, and I think they're 289 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,680 writing the next one as well. But they're really known for 290 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,040 those movies. I think they're Cloudy with a 291 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,160 Chance of Meatballs. So they've mostly been in 292 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,800 animation and comedies, and that makes sense considering this 293 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,480 movie. I don't remember 22 jump St. 294 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:03,600 jumps. Well, 21 jump. 295 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,160 Street I remember 21 iconic is is. 296 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,000 I think 22 is Julia, Rob Heard. Julia, Rob, OK, that's exactly. 297 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,240 That's the only thing I remember. 298 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,480 Yeah, OK. You should rewatch those since 299 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,800 we're doing Bridesmaids this month on Patreon just for 300 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,800 comedies for like, best studio comedies, 21st Century. 301 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,720 Yeah. I thought this was one of the 302 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,920 most bizarre theatrical experiences that I've had in a 303 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,280 long time because I had a lot of fun, but I would have this is 304 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,720 this never really happens while watching in the theater. 305 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,760 But if something hit me about 45 minutes into the first act where 306 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,800 I was like, when does the movie start? 307 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,560 Where I was like, wow. I would have hated this film 308 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,280 watching it at home because it's so poorly paced. 309 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,720 It is far too long, it is messy and it's editing. 310 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,960 We usually don't make that criticism, but like right away 311 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,440 from the jump of this movie, not because it's jumping in 312 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,600 different times. Not to spoil anything crazy, but 313 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,280 the way it's just cut up together, like it doesn't want 314 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,800 you to know the geography of any room you're in, in space or on 315 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,400 Earth. And it just takes forever just 316 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,560 to get going. And there's enough Ryan Gosling 317 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,000 and his like, secret sauce, charm and charisma and enough 318 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,960 weirdness from who he meets along the way in his his 319 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,720 adventure and fun that I was happy to be there. 320 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,640 But I was just like, like you said, I don't think I'd ever 321 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,960 rewatch this movie, but strangely, I would be there 322 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,960 opening night for a sequel. Isn't that weird? 323 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,040 Yeah, no, I feel the same way. Yeah, so Gosling's a cheat, Cody 324 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,320 is doing the heavy lifting, but there is something, I don't 325 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,160 know, there is something fun here. 326 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,080 Yes, there is something fun. It's been wildly inflated. 327 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,680 It's not an Interstellar. I do think that it has to do 328 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,920 with what we've talked about before in terms like content 329 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,400 creators now merging into the movie critics space and being 330 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,480 like the loudest voices in that space, right? 331 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,040 And also that, you know, when you see a a space movie starring 332 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Ryan Gosling, you're like, oh, I need to go see this space drama. 333 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:10,079 Yes, but it is like the most unserious movie you could 334 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:14,680 imagine if you're going in with those expectations and, and, but 335 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,920 I'm excited to talk about what I liked about it. 336 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,079 Well, before we before we do that last thing, I got to say 337 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,000 you, you almost have to see this movie because of how much of an 338 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,040 achievement it is that it is a it is a science fiction $200 339 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:32,400 million movie starring Ryan Gosling and also Anatomy of 340 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,520 Fall, Sandra Haller, who who I love an anatomy of a Fall, but 341 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,240 is unfortunately miscast in this film. 342 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,720 Yeah, she's one or two good scenes, you know. 343 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,760 Julia, Rob Hertz would be great here. 344 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,920 She would have been great here, but this? 345 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,840 So this is a $200 million science fiction movie that uses 346 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,360 almost every image, sound, relationship, or cinematic 347 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:56,360 experience that you have as an audience member have likely 348 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,920 already seen before. It then recycles those cinematic 349 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,760 experiences and you don't really get anything new out of it. 350 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,160 It there's nothing really novel in it. 351 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,200 And I don't think I've ever said that about a sci-fi movie 352 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:13,440 because science fiction inherently is supposed to like 353 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,960 have ideas. And I don't know if there is an 354 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960 idea in this film. And I found that to be like, 355 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,080 fine, like, movies don't have to have like, provocative themes 356 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,960 all the time. But I was like, it's a science 357 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,120 fiction movie about the world ending, and it's really just 358 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:33,160 about friendship. My favorite thing is that I like 359 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,400 to imagine, you know, Ryan Gosling has now starred in one 360 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,240 of the most like serious bleak sci-fi mainstream sort of 361 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,440 mainstream movies, it being Kay and Denise, Blade Runner. 362 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,600 And it's now also in the one of the most like unserious science 363 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,400 fiction movies that at least is being sold. 364 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,080 Or like, you know, it's weird because like we're in this like 365 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,160 particular moment of like hype that it is something that is it 366 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,280 a sci-fi movie at its core. And you're right, like it. 367 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,280 But that's what I'm saying. Like it does have ideas, I guess 368 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,600 that people might be like, oh, that was refreshing in this end 369 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,680 of the world kind of dystopia backdrop. 370 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,040 But like ultimately it just kind of feels like but like. 371 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,840 Even in Ridley Scott's The Martian, there was still this 372 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,920 commentary about like globalism, like countries coming together 373 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,720 to save the planet, essentially. And even though that's 374 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,040 idealistic and Arrival would be like the opposite of that, which 375 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,320 is sort of about that, but really it kind of gets there 376 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,240 toward the end. There is nothing like that in 377 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,040 this movie. Like there's no relationships 378 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,440 that this character has to anybody. 379 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,760 The the government that's working with him is sort of this 380 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,880 like anonymous, like UN group, but you're not really aware of 381 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,400 what their motivations are like in terms of what happens if it 382 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,080 all does go to shit. So yeah. 383 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,800 And and you said multiple times that the score even felt like 384 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,160 who who's the. It's a great composer too. 385 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,600 What's his name again? Who did the Spider Man films? 386 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,040 Daniel Pemberton, who made one of the coolest scores of the 387 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,640 last, you know, of this decade? And across the Spider verse, he 388 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,720 made a score that was like, basically doing Interstellar 389 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:08,680 cosplay. Yeah. 390 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,960 There was a a lot of like clock, the sounds. 391 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,360 There was one particular moment of the movie where they're 392 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:15,840 trying to like accomplish something. 393 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,840 It was really like relying on an Interstellar adjacent 394 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,240 soundtrack, which I was like, is this why people are saying 395 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,280 Interstellar? And besides some, you know, 396 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,120 string imagery? And then the other thing was 397 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:35,680 like there was a lot of other space movies that felt like they 398 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,320 were mixed into this movie like you're saying, like the the 399 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,400 Heppapod or Heptapod. Yeah, from arrival you already? 400 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,120 Said the noise. Post encounter shout outs, which 401 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,560 was funny, that was funny, but again, it felt like so 402 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,520 postmodern in that way, which is like we're going to reference 403 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,000 all these things, you know, it felt like content. 404 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,480 It felt like science fiction content and I and that is 405 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,160 disappointing. So spoilers ahead. 406 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,600 We're going to deep dive this movie, starting with Act 1. 407 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,760 The movie opens with Ryan Gosling waking up on a 408 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,440 spaceship, right? And he's got no memory. 409 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,720 He's got a massive beard. Everyone's dead. 410 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,120 Everyone's dead. He's getting drunk off somebody 411 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:20,680 else's vodka and he basically is giving like a Chris Hemsworth's 412 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,400 Thor Ragnarok meets you, what you said, his former character 413 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,040 from The Notebook energy hero. It's like a blend of characters 414 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,360 that audiences are familiar with. 415 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,000 But right away, I was confused with tone. 416 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,120 Like I was excited to see Gosling in a science fiction 417 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,640 movie. I was excited to see him in the 418 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,920 space spaceship. He doesn't know what's going on. 419 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,440 So he's lost his memory because of being in this crowd sleep for 420 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,160 so long, I think. But tonally it I was confused. 421 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:48,920 I was so. Confused. 422 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,960 It felt like Mickey 17, but also wanted to be a serious sci-fi 423 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,480 movie. Well, yeah, it was weird because 424 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,120 he was waking up. Everyone's dead. 425 00:21:56,120 --> 00:22:00,640 We see the dead bodies, but immediately, like we have the 426 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,240 Ryan Gosling scream and trying to get away from this like robot 427 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,880 that wakes him up and tells him like everything's going to be OK 428 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,720 and is a friendly version of mother. 429 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,320 Like that's also something that we will talk about. 430 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,080 There's like friendly technology, but and it's like to 431 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,840 shave his his Noah beard from the notebook. 432 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,640 And there's like a funny aspect to seeing. 433 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,160 Yeah, it was very Mickey 17, like Robert Pattinson, you know, 434 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,920 him being dragged by this like sleeping bag kind of thing, 435 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,360 plastic thing that he's in like a little Caterpillar, Ryan 436 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:38,120 Gosling, but it. Is what it was like. 437 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,080 It was. And then, you know, not having 438 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,000 access to his limbs because he's like waking up from this coma 439 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,400 and climbing up the ship that. He does do one of his screams. 440 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,200 He does, yeah. And and he does that a few times 441 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,200 and that that really gets you through the 1st part here. 442 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,640 But ultimately he is like there, there are some funny moments 443 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,040 where he's like talking about a specific piece of technology or, 444 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,680 or I don't even know what it is. And he's like, am I smart? 445 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,800 That works. But ultimately it's just kind of 446 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,800 like Ryan Gosling confused, running around a spaceship for 447 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,120 far too long. And then also it establishes 448 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:17,520 like he had some sort of, you know, relationship to these 449 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,520 people because that's supposed to be what it's driving. 450 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,160 Like, you know, he doesn't know who he is. 451 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,920 He's writing on the whiteboard. Who am I? 452 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,000 Who are these people? Who does he have a relationship 453 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,480 or why does he have a relationship relationship to 454 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,560 these people? We never figured that out. 455 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,800 We actually never see the relationship really that he has 456 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,360 to these people because it's kind of non existent. 457 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:37,760 We find it at the end of the movie because he never expected 458 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,560 to go on this mission. But but throughout that, you're 459 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,760 like, OK, then why do we get this whole send off and him like 460 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,680 looking at their pictures? And it didn't even serve the 461 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,720 purpose of like honoring them as astronauts and their sacrifice. 462 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,280 Because when we actually do meet them, you know, there's this 463 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,360 whole focus on like Ryan Gosling's character being brave 464 00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:59,520 and bravery to like, save the planet. 465 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,880 And it's. Revealed that he wasn't brave 466 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,360 because he never wanted to go. But then also like it, it's kind 467 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:07,960 of with the astronauts who are shot into space. 468 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,520 And he's like, I, you know, I wish I knew you. 469 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,880 You seemed like you had a lot of friends and does this whole 470 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,480 tribute. It's like, why do we spend that 471 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,640 much time there besides just trying to like, invoke this 472 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,600 mysterious thing that's happening? 473 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,440 And we're going to put together Ryan Gosling's life puzzle 474 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,280 throughout this this movie. Yeah. 475 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,520 It just all kind of emotionally fell flat. 476 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,480 Well, do you think I agree? Do you think that this movie is 477 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,760 stuck between trying to be like 'cause I'm genuinely confused. 478 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,200 Listeners can let us know in the comments to like politely. 479 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,600 Is this movie trying to be a parody of other sci-fi films 480 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,160 while also trying to be an original sci-fi movie 'cause it 481 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,880 feels like it's trying to be earnest, but it also feels 482 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,440 insecure when it gets too earnest. 483 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,120 It has to then be silly, if that makes sense. 484 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,760 Like I, I'm still sort of confused because it feels like a 485 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,360 soda, like a soda mix of like every sci-fi piece of cinema 486 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:04,480 that we've ever seen in film, Like I said earlier. 487 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,440 So I don't, I never knew how like I to feel outside of 488 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,840 laughing at Ryan Gosling, kind of like stumbling around, you 489 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,560 know, space And eventually with his, you know, ET friend, which 490 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,520 we can get to a little bit later, who is probably the best 491 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,080 part of the movie, Rocky. Yeah, once we get to Rocky, then 492 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,640 then we're good. Then I'm enjoying myself. 493 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,360 But it took me a while to get there. 494 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,320 Even with the flashbacks. I was like, where are we going? 495 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,880 This is getting a little boring. Do you think that we just have a 496 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,640 cynical relationship to like new grogos when we see them? 497 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,800 Like there was a new trailer for Mandalorian in the Gogu movie 498 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,400 while we were watching, while we were like watching trailers for 499 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,800 this film. And I was like, wow, they really 500 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,440 are selling this movie based on our relationship to this toy. 501 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,600 And like, do you think that that's what people are loving 502 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,320 about Project Hail Mary is that they're just like obsessed with 503 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,760 Rocky? I'm going to get to it later, 504 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,320 but. I don't know. 505 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,920 I mean, I think that I think that it's like a feel good 506 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,760 movie. Yeah. 507 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,640 And I, I think people were probably pleasantly surprised 508 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,160 like we were and aren't really thinking about it that 509 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,760 seriously. It's just like that was a that 510 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,240 you know what? That was a delightful time at 511 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,360 the theater. And I think then they're leaving 512 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:15,720 it. I think we're just a little bit 513 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,000 more harsh on it because I want an awesome like epic science 514 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000 fiction movie with Ryan Gosling, so. 515 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,160 But it's also trying to be. That's what's confusing about 516 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,120 it. It's trying to be like sciency 517 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,120 and saying the world is going to end in that. 518 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,640 Ryan Gosling is learning how to be like sacrificial. 519 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,680 I guess, yeah. But it's just so basic of like, 520 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,240 like I am brave. No, I'm not brave. 521 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,240 Yeah, I'm going against my will to save Earth and. 522 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,840 Then yeah, felt like a chapter BT. 523 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,720 Like I just, yeah, it was so it was just so like kind of paper 524 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,840 thin in terms of the the thematic points. 525 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,200 And again, like Ryan Gosling makes it sing because he is 526 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,320 acting in a room alone for most of this. 527 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,440 And so that just like speaks to again, like how much time or how 528 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,000 much just audiences want to see him again on screen. 529 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,200 But that's a good question. Like, is it being a parody? 530 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,640 I don't really think so. I actually think it's trying to 531 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,520 be earnest and but like. Meryl Streep's voice pops up at 532 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,880 one point in place of Rocky's voice. 533 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,320 I mean, I think there are elements of of playing with the 534 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:26,800 science fiction genre, but I think ultimately it is trying to 535 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,520 like when we go the the biggest, like tell the movies when we go 536 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,960 back to Earth and go back to the flashbacks, those are supposed 537 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,360 to be kind of like the serious, like grounding pieces of the 538 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:40,720 movie and aspects of the dystopian and they just don't 539 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,320 really work that well. You know when Peter Parker asked 540 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,120 Spider man in like Civil War I think is the movie when he's 541 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,320 referencing Empire Strikes Back, it's like if you guys seen that 542 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,480 really old movie Empire Strikes Back or he does it later with 543 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,400 aliens too and one of The Avengers films. 544 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,920 I think End Game or Infinity War. 545 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,400 I think he's end game. But this whole movie reminded me 546 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,720 of like those jokes. Yeah, yeah, if that makes sense. 547 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,760 Like the tone in the comedy reminded me of that postmodern, 548 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,320 self referential kind of existential nightmare where 549 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,000 everything's just IP and nothing original can actually last. 550 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,520 And so studios are like, let's just make something quote UN 551 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,040 quote original but has to be in conversation with everything 552 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,480 that's come before it. And instead of making that sort 553 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,880 of semi serious, they just leaned into the satire. 554 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,160 I don't want to use that word because it's not really satire. 555 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,320 I. Don't think it is. 556 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,840 But poking fun at at itself. That's why I use the words 557 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,520 parody. It almost comes off as camp. 558 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,960 Yeah, there are moments of it for sure. 559 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,120 All right, well, but I. Don't think that's the overall 560 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,800 focus of the movie, but I think that I was thinking that when we 561 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,120 went into it because it was playing with those things so 562 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360 much. Yeah, I guess the closest comp 563 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,800 is probably The Martian, for people really interested in 564 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,760 trying to be like. I feel like I've seen a movie 565 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,560 like this before. Really. 566 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,680 Scotts. The Martian I've seen a lot and 567 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,400 it is similar to this but a much more serious movie. 568 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,800 So we go like how like you said, life puzzle. 569 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,760 The movie is like cut together like a life puzzle because it's 570 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,560 a mystery who Ryland Grace is or is it last name Grace every. 571 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,680 Time you say that I'm just. Going to say Ryan Gosling. 572 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,400 It's throwing me off Grace. Yeah, is what he calls himself. 573 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,160 The Movie. Which I thought that was going 574 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,720 to be his first name. And I was like, oh, that's cool. 575 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,560 Yeah, I'm sure there's a theme there, but we flashed back to 576 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,600 him as a middle school teacher, and I did have a moment when it 577 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,800 where it started off with him in class and I got excited. 578 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,960 And that never happens. I see classrooms and movies and 579 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,080 television. I immediately am skeptical and 580 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,520 suspicious of the writers. Immediately annoyed, Yeah. 581 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,280 And I was like, oh, this is fun. Ryan Gosling is a teacher 582 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,840 because the only other teacher movie he's done, he was like 583 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,800 self medicating throughout. So that was extremely 584 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,120 depressing. And for a second I was like, are 585 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,440 we going to feel seen here? Teacher representation? 586 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,840 And the more we spend time with him, not just as a teacher but 587 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,440 like as a person or a scientist, the more I was like, this is 588 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,320 pretty bad teacher. Representation. 589 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,840 That was a question I had for you. 590 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,600 Like is this good teacher representation? 591 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,200 Because I think, you know, our our listeners have asked us like 592 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,720 before what I think we in at one point in a mailbag somewhere, 593 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,840 somewhere we talked about like teacher representation. 594 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,560 But was, yeah, was Ray. What's his? 595 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Name Ray Fines was Ray Fine's good teacher. 596 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,120 Was Ryan Gosling. I am good teacher. 597 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,760 Representation here. No, I think if there's anything 598 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,480 that the West culturally values about teachers, and there's not 599 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,720 much, and we're both teachers, by the way, for new listeners, 600 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,760 Kelsey at a college meet up high school. 601 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,320 But if there's anything that the West does value about educators 602 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,080 is there is an understanding that they are sacrificial 603 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,400 because quote, UN quote, who else would do the job right? 604 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,120 They don't do it for the pay. Exactly. 605 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,320 Yeah. So basically, instead of 606 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,480 sacrificial, we can use the word, like empathetic or 607 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,240 understanding or wanting to do something for others or being 608 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,280 brave. And this movie, for whatever 609 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,520 reason, flips that where Grace has to learn to be brave because 610 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,800 he's not brave, but yet is a teacher. 611 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,960 Like, he doesn't really want to save humanity because that would 612 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,080 risk his life. But he also has nothing to live 613 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,360 for on Earth because there's no, like, connection to any of his, 614 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,680 like, humanity. Yeah. 615 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,000 Anywhere they establish. He doesn't have a lot of 616 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,320 friends. He doesn't have a he's a family. 617 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Does he have a dog? Point Sondra Holder says. 618 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:29,240 He seems like unequipped to explain the politics of the 619 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,680 science that he's teaching in the classroom when a kid asks 620 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,000 him about it. And he's like, you should ask 621 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,400 your parents. And I was like, you don't seem 622 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,240 to have great relationships with your students. 623 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,360 So I was like, what it like, what are we supposed to learn 624 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,360 from this guy? Why don't we? 625 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,800 Why are we supposed to like him outside of Ryan Gosling's, you 626 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,120 know, charisma and movie star energy, which he does have. 627 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,320 But no, I was like, he's a bad a bad teacher representation. 628 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,040 Yeah. I think at first I was, like 629 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,760 pumped about the reveal that he didn't want to go to space, 630 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040 separating his identity as a teacher. 631 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,200 Because if any other people have had this experience, a lot of 632 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,400 like men tend to ask if you were going to, if you had the 633 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,720 opportunity to go to space. Yeah. 634 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:13,840 Yeah. Like it's. 635 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,880 I don't know why that's a question. 636 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,720 What did you do this with me? Was this interstellar? 637 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,920 This is yeah. I think I talked about this on 638 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,960 Interstellar. Which is also. 639 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,800 Free right now from the members on Patreon. 640 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,760 OK yeah, some other space movie I had talked about this, how 641 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,520 this is a common question that straight men tend to to throw 642 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,680 around at a party. And the answer is normally yes 643 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,160 from them like they're waiting to hear your response, but then 644 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,720 their their response is yes, I go. 645 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,960 And so I think it was, I thought it was like fun that it was kind 646 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,600 of playing with the idea of like, no, I wouldn't go like 647 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,640 because there is a like an interesting self sacrificial 648 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,720 that interestingly, first man with that stars Ryan Gosling, 649 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,240 Damien Chazelle's movie explores that I think is also an 650 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,480 interesting take on that question of like, would you go 651 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,920 to space? And yes, and, and who are you 652 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,160 impacting and what is the, what is the sacrifice for? 653 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,040 Men would rather go to space than go to therapy. 654 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,680 Yes, first man. Thank you, Damien Chazelle. 655 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,280 Yes, thank you, Damien Chazelle. And here he's like, no, I don't 656 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,160 want to go. I don't. 657 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,720 I actually don't. And. 658 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,920 Insert Ryan Gosling squeal as he gets chased down by. 659 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,960 But Rd. agents. So so I thought it was like fun 660 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,080 just in the context of my own little universe of of men would 661 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,960 rather go to space and therapy, kind of like a theme that's 662 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,600 running through these. But in the actual context of the 663 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:43,120 movie of him being a teacher and just deciding like, no, like I 664 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,360 actually don't. I actually don't think I'll make 665 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,160 the sacrifice. Verse Amy Adams as a professor 666 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,200 and researcher and Arrival is risking everything to try to 667 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,480 understand what is going on with this quote UN quote invasion 668 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,400 that's happening on Earth. Well, there's something at the 669 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,080 end of that movie that apparently is like widely 670 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,400 debated between Jeremy Renner and her, kind of like having a 671 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,360 disagreement. That I think would be a very 672 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,480 interesting pod to have some of our friends on who feel very 673 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,600 strongly about that. We'll do a space month on one 674 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,480 day. Those friends are on the 675 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,560 interstellar pod, so go get an appetizer there. 676 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,320 So OK, anyway, but in, in the context of him being a teacher, 677 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,400 yeah, number one, I was like, oh, OK. 678 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,120 Like we're meeting a teacher who we don't often get to see 679 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,679 teachers as like experts. Often times we see like Woody 680 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,840 Harrelson's in 17 again, who are just kind of like in the job 681 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,840 showing like movies, you know, like we get them as like a a 682 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,880 comedic like punching bag often times. 683 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,280 Or they're diluted, just like being like pseudos counsellors 684 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,560 like Paul Rudd and, you know, Wolf Wolf of Wall Street. 685 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,520 Paul Rudd. Perks of Being a Wallflower, 686 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,600 Paul Rudd and Wolf of Wall Street. 687 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,840 It does have the same amount. Of money he has been good in, I 688 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,480 guess, the Kyle Chandler role in the FBI. 689 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,320 You would be great. You would be fun too. 690 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,200 Fun somewhere. Yeah. 691 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,080 But anyway, so I was like. Steve Madden. 692 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,520 He would have been a good Steve Madden, yeah. 693 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,120 Wow, Good call. OK. 694 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,880 But I think that the reason I immediately got excited is 695 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,120 because I was like, oh, teacher as like expert in their field, 696 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,240 You know, like, yes, we learned that he was kind of like 697 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,040 positioned in his field as like a failed academic because he 698 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,080 believed in this theory that other people didn't believe in 699 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,480 and. She was a conspiracy theorist 700 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,720 among among these biologists. But as we get as we get deeper 701 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,120 down the quote UN quote expertise, but regardless, like, 702 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,600 you know, he's like doing math, figuring things out on the 703 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,520 spaceship that we're jumping back to in our real time. 704 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,080 So I was like, oh, OK, this is cool to see. 705 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,040 Like a teacher who is actually, you know, they're showing that 706 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,280 they're smart, right? It's not just like this. 707 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,840 If you can't do you teach? It's like, oh, you're you're 708 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,760 teaching because you feel like the next generation should know 709 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,640 how to do whatever but it. Sort of feels like if you can't 710 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,280 do, you teach because. No, but I think yeah, ultimately 711 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,440 it ended up being we can get off the teacher conversation in a 712 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,120 second, but ultimately it ended up being yeah, like not that. 713 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,120 And, and I think the, the conversation around the like, 714 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,480 what's happening and he's like, I'd rather you just ask your 715 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,800 parents. I was like, oh, cool. 716 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,200 We're going to get some interesting, like thematic 717 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,160 things about like what's going on right now about basically 718 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,360 feeling like fear of losing your job if you say something that is 719 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,920 like you said, like an inconvenient truth or, or just 720 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,360 like anything that is bad actual. 721 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,440 So you have to be like, oh, let your parents tell you. 722 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,920 And so anyway, so I, I thought like we were going into an 723 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,400 interesting direction, but yeah, ultimately I, I just thought he, 724 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,240 it was just like played for for laughs, pathetic, kind of like 725 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,760 Ryan Gosling thing. Whatever. 726 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,080 Last question about it. Yeah, public school or charter 727 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,480 school or private school. I think it was not a public. 728 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,320 School. I agree. 729 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,080 Yeah. And I couldn't tell if it like 730 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:01,480 the kids just kind of like maybe looked like they have an agent 731 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,280 because they're all little actors, they. 732 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,080 All look like yeah, they were child models. 733 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,000 Yeah, like they were all given a skin care routine at the the age 734 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,840 of like 810. I don't know how old they. 735 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,880 Were and they were all far too nice to each other. 736 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,880 I was like getting creeped out by a class being in a classroom 737 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,800 to every day. And I I teach out to school. 738 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,880 It's 7th grade to 12th grade and I teach 8th grade to 12th grade. 739 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,840 And I was like, these kids are pretty young. 740 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,120 I think they're 7th graders in middle. 741 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,560 School, especially the the younger grades that is. 742 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,360 Not yeah, that is not what a classroom sounds like. 743 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,760 So I was like, these kids, probably. 744 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,680 Are they're probably wealthy? Yeah, Well, I was like, it must 745 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,000 be a charter school because of the way the campus looked. 746 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,120 But then they tried to, like, create a diverse classroom and I 747 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,680 was like, but this is not a public school. 748 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,560 So I was like, I don't, I don't know what's going on here. 749 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,160 Yeah. Yeah. 750 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,040 Not sure. Yeah. 751 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,520 But anyway, so he not great teacher representation. 752 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,840 We also learned he doesn't have friends or family like we said 753 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,160 and no clear attachment to his own humanity. 754 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,600 This becomes. Also, where is he living because 755 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,160 he just gets picked up by Sandra Holler, that's true. 756 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,000 And he lives in the school. Yeah. 757 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,800 So this is a huge problem in the first act because it spends so 758 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,240 long. You we spend so long watching 759 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:12,920 him, cutting back and forth between the future space grace 760 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:16,800 and past grace as teacher. And we learn nothing about him. 761 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,480 And then he gets recruited by Sandra Holler, who again, we 762 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,720 said already, but maybe we can explain why Who's slightly 763 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,760 miscast Because she's doing something that feels a little 764 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,120 bit like mysterious, that she's been like secretly stopping 765 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,280 apocalyptic events for like, her whole life. 766 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,120 That's her vibe. And it feels out of the tone of 767 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,840 this movie. She feels like a. 768 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,880 Superhero or something? From a different film and 769 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,200 plugged into this movie they also get like. 770 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,440 Correct me if I'm wrong here. I think they tried to spark a 771 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,560 romantic chemistry between. The two of them, I noticed this 772 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,120 also, which was so strange because it never really, I think 773 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,320 it was supposed to like throw us off because, you know, at the 774 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,480 end she has to like make that, you know, hard decision is what 775 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,840 it's kind of framed as to save Earth. 776 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,840 And ultimately she is kind of unbending, which I said she's 777 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,920 like a superhero. I don't really mean that. 778 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,040 I mean that she like feels like she's in a superhero movie it. 779 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,480 Feels like a Marvel performance. Exactly. 780 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,680 Yeah. And so yes, especially around 781 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,880 the karaoke time, singing What's the hairstyle song? 782 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,360 Sign of the world, sign of the time. 783 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,240 And I was like, oh, when it started and then when she had to 784 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:28,520 sing, I was like, oh, well, I kind of like this. 785 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,360 That was the best scene. That might have been the best 786 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,880 scene of the movie it. Was definitely. 787 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,280 It was definitely strange. Yeah. 788 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,680 I mean, we had like, obviously the Rocky and Ryan Gosling 789 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,760 scenes were great, but you're so aware all the time that this was 790 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,640 like Ryan Gosling acting alone. Yeah, exactly that. 791 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,480 You know, doesn't have the same effect of like Elliot in ET or 792 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:46,960 something. Right. 793 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,680 Well, maybe not the best scene in the most human moment in the 794 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,760 movie. Was soccer polar? 795 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,920 Yes, there was a depth there. Never explained why there was a 796 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,600 depth there. Or I think they're trying to 797 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,800 suggest that his character Grace, like saw something in her 798 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,120 and inspired her to open up to her fellow, I don't know, Co 799 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,240 workers and show her humanity at the end of the world. 800 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,920 I don't understand. So Grace goes on to do science 801 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,760 experiments. He does them with Lionel Boyce, 802 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,520 the actor from The Bear. This is a fun part of the movie, 803 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,520 but still as it it kind of out state it's welcome as like what 804 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,760 are we doing here? A little bit like ATV show. 805 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,120 We're doing some science experiments. 806 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,800 We go to Home Depot. I like the Home Depot. 807 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,720 We bowl with some duct tape. I didn't like that part, but I 808 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:34,560 like the cashing out. Part I like the cashing out. 809 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,960 I liked when they scanned the sunglasses that they were 810 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,760 wearing and then we got some Skittles and Twizzlers in the 811 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,120 mix. Sour Skittles are. 812 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,760 Probably like I've had those in a a minute. 813 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,000 Yeah, yeah. They're like the astrophage. 814 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,200 They're like. Probably they are like the 815 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,840 astrophage, they're killing the sun inside our bodies and then 816 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,560 we get to Act 2, which is basically staying in space 817 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,720 because I think we stopped jumping back and forth really 818 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,680 fast around Act 2 and we stay on the ship. 819 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,880 What do you think about the ship? 820 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,600 There is nothing to like hang onto, you know? 821 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,440 We also I think are probably more picky science fiction 822 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,600 watchers because this is one of our favorite genres. 823 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,200 I love when I have the geography of a ship, even if I don't know 824 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,800 every single piece, you know? Obviously like we think of Alien 825 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,760 with their like mess hall that is centering the the ship in 826 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,480 like the command center. Like, you just felt like even if 827 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,280 you didn't know exactly where you were at all times, there 828 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,560 was, like, a character to it. Yeah. 829 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,480 Like the ship is also kind of a character. 830 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,000 And you feel this in Prometheus, right? 831 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,080 Like, and here it was just kind of like you could have been 832 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,040 anywhere. It didn't feel like there was 833 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,080 any grounding thing of like us being in a certain room. 834 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,520 They had Danny Boyle's Sunshine Room which was pretty cool where 835 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,080 they would like play images in 360 images for Ryan Gosling to 836 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,040 escape to do different parts of Earth. 837 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,800 That really worked for the comedic bits, like when we 838 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,320 continuously keep going back to that. 839 00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,800 Well, watching a movie in there was genius. 840 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,640 Having Rocky one through, he was like yeah so Rocky in a Apollo 841 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,800 were like competitors in the 1st 2 movies, then they became 842 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,800 friends in the third movie. It was really funny. 843 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,120 It's like their story. Yeah, well, Speaking of their 844 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,400 story, so Ryan Gosling on his ship that I agree with you. 845 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,960 We don't understand the physical geography of it's really poorly 846 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,680 shot. Greg Frazier is the DP on this 847 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,480 movie. Who is the DP from The Batman 848 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,440 and the first two Dune films. And I was like, what the fuck? 849 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,800 It really made me think Matt Reeves is great, Denis Valdev is 850 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,960 great because I was like, there are a few moments. 851 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,400 In this film also, I mean like, I don't know. 852 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,800 There's a there's a moment where Ryan Gosling's in space. 853 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,960 There's a he's like in a purple, pink, sort of surreal moment or 854 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,240 like a part of space. He's outside that this. 855 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,680 Planet's atmosphere. This whirly green planet. 856 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,040 Yeah, OK. And that was pretty cool in 857 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,240 terms of visuals, but there was like nothing really memorable 858 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:51,920 about this movie in cinematography. 859 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,400 So when we meet Rocky, we don't meet him initially. 860 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,880 We actually are just flying through space. 861 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,040 It's kind of a Star Trek moment where we see this giant ass 862 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,840 ship. What do you think about that 863 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,160 ship? I thought that ship was cool. 864 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,880 That felt original. Yeah, yeah. 865 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,280 I also thought that at one point, Oh wait, that's something 866 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,480 different with the the predator. I'll, I'll come back to that, 867 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,960 but no OK with rocky ship. I thought it was like really 868 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,040 interesting at when I was watching the movie last night, I 869 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,040 was thinking like that was it reminded me of of other science 870 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,000 fiction imagery, but now I can't think of what it was. 871 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,280 Anyway, it was cool. It was like the the gold, you 872 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,840 know, once you actually get inside it later on, which was 873 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,600 supposed to be the big reveal. It's all string like 874 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,480 Interstellar that Matthew McConaughey goes through to send 875 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,280 messages to Murph. It looks like a bunch of 876 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,720 antennas like connected to one another. 877 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,080 It does look like the Matthew McConaughey thing. 878 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,920 It looks like a bunch of strings inside that you can pull on, but 879 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,040 it also has some sort of like hieroglyphic looking imagery 880 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,920 inside that is pretty I guess. Reminded me of Prometheus or 881 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,040 Alien Covenant which was cool. Are they suggesting that it's an 882 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,880 that it was like an AI ship? Because at one point there was 883 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,760 like a Wally technology thing that slides to another piece of 884 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,880 technology and it looks like they're talking to one another. 885 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,760 I think that was supposed to throw us off because at the 886 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:18,480 beginning way out when the kind of ancient looking contraption. 887 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,120 What shape is that cylinder? Cylinder sort of whatever it 888 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,480 was, it once it was thrown as like this message to Ryan 889 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,840 Gosling ship. And we have that funny kind of 890 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,840 thing, which is this is like the first time I I kind of, I've got 891 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,720 a grasp of the tone that we were in when it bounces off the ship. 892 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:37,320 Yeah. And we think it's going to be 893 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,720 possibly like a bomb, but it's just a message. 894 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:41,640 And then he's like, OK, like, let me go again. 895 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,280 Let me try to get the second message. 896 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,000 That's where I was like, OK, like we're being a little bit 897 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,640 more playful. Or even before that, they play 898 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,600 like tag with their ships. Yeah, right. 899 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,360 Isn't that before? Yes. 900 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:52,600 Yeah. Which was funny. 901 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,360 Yeah. And and so when we have that 902 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,600 moment, what what Trey's talking about is like there are two 903 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,840 yeah, antenna things that look like they are AI but kind of 904 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,440 have a personality. I guess they're like looking, 905 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,040 they're questioning, yeah, the the character or the Ryan 906 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,840 Gosling ship. And so I think that was supposed 907 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,840 to throw us off because I also thought I was like, oh, is this 908 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:21,800 a a ship that is from another, I guess planet that is run by AI 909 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,440 And then he's going to get taken back to this place or we're 910 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,760 going to have like a Jodie Foster at the end of not 911 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,160 science, end of thank you contact situation where he like 912 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,400 goes through this like wormhole. I was thinking about. 913 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,640 Memory thing. And that's how we find out. 914 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,000 Yeah. Yeah. 915 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,440 But anyway, I think it was supposed to, yeah, just like, 916 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,560 throw us off. So that way we didn't realize we 917 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,880 were going to meet a rock tarantula. 918 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,640 OK, that's what's what we want to call Rocky. 919 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,840 That's what I'm calling. Him, he's a rock spider with 920 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,400 sort of like at the inside of an ear for a face because Ryan 921 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,200 Gosling says throughout the movie, I can't see your face. 922 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,200 Where's your face? But yeah, when he when Rocky 923 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,960 tries to talk there, it looks like when he opens his, I don't 924 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,420 know what to call it mouth where the face, I guess, quote, UN 925 00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:09,360 quote should be. There is just like the same 926 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,480 amount. There's like a texture that 927 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,720 looks like at the inside of an ear to me. 928 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,360 I don't know. I guess he does kind of look 929 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,080 like cartilage. Yes, yeah, a walking cartilage 930 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,280 tarantula rock. And somehow they made him 931 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,840 adorable because I do really like Rocky. 932 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,680 Do you think that Rocky saved the movie? 933 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,240 Because this is about halfway through the film where we find 934 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,920 Rocky, which is a long movie. So we're like an hour and 20 935 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,800 minutes into the film before he shows up. 936 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,640 As for me, it it saved the entire movie. 937 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,440 I think so too. I was getting because I like. 938 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,760 Gosling. But it was it was getting 939 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,520 repetitive. Yeah, I was getting bored. 940 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,040 And then once we had the kind of tunnel extend from Rocky ship, I 941 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,160 had a little peak of interest. And then once we met Rocky, I 942 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,080 was like what is about to happen? 943 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,920 Like what what is this? I really didn't expect them to 944 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,360 have this like, you know, friendship throughout the whole 945 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,520 movie. I if you had told me that I 946 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,320 wouldn't have believed it could be pulled off. 947 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,400 So I agree that like we've already talked about how people 948 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,720 want to see Ryan Gosling and that's part of the the reason 949 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:13,320 why the movie is good is his kind of like his charm. 950 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,680 When he first first meets Rocky, he starts like doing the dancing 951 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,560 thing that's fun. And then he's like moving his 952 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,120 hips, you know, that's all fun. But yeah, I think Rocky was like 953 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,360 adorable and I liked it. I think it all kind of worked 954 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,440 even though it shouldn't have of like, you know, the the 955 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,880 recognition of creating a language and like they have like 956 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,280 200 words that they can share going through Meryl Streep's 957 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,520 voice or different voices. Yeah, he's like, she can do 958 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,600 anything. Yeah, that's great. 959 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,080 That got a lot from our theater. But yeah, what do you think it 960 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,240 was about, Rocky? I know exactly what it was about 961 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,880 Rocky the same the same thing that what is it about Project 962 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,280 Hail Mary that seems to resonate well. 963 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,760 It's like a copy and paste of six other molds of previous 964 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,480 content that came before it or like, sorry, like IP that came 965 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,720 before it. So Rocky is a blend of ETA blend 966 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:09,160 of tars from interstellar, a blend of gizmo, a blend of an 967 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:14,360 Ewok, A Grogu, A Babu Frick. There are like an iron giant I 968 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,040 guess. Throw one more in there also. 969 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,280 Very much how much Marcel the shell coated. 970 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,760 Marcel the Shell, Wally I I it is. 971 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,720 A. You know, Marcel, the shell 972 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:23,560 isn't in space. But he counts. 973 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:26,320 But I guess I stick with the sci-fi part, the sci-fi 974 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,400 characters. It felt like the most mix of ET 975 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,840 Tars from Interstellar and then probably like an Ewok to me. 976 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,320 Or maybe Gizmo too. Or Gremlins in general in terms 977 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,240 of the cuteness. But also like the the, I don't 978 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,400 know, the the frantic nature of them because Rocky is kind of 979 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,160 out of pocket. Like when Rocky goes on to Ryan 980 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,520 Gosling ship, it's really funny because he's like, why is it so 981 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,520 messy? Mess, mess, mess. 982 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,240 I like when he repeats things. There's a couple cute things he 983 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,440 does that do feel unique. So I don't want me to be too 984 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,480 mean because I don't want to be like it's just iterating on 985 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,840 everything came before it. There's a thumbs up, thumbs down 986 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,200 bit that works. It works every time even though 987 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,920 it was used like 30. Times. 988 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,600 It should have been the poster. It should have been Ryan 989 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,320 Gossen's thumb up and there was like an alien thumb down that 990 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,680 should have been. Maybe that's the sequel. 991 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,000 It were every time you you looked at me laughing. 992 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,280 You're like this is. Great. 993 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,360 It's great every single time they and they do it like 37 994 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,880 times and I'm like, wow, this is awesome. 995 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,880 And it shifts into, I think you said at the top of buddy comedy, 996 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,440 right? It finally clicked into a buddy 997 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,440 comedy and it becomes a fun movie in the last act because 998 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,120 now it's not about really saving Earth or what we learn. 999 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:35,280 Rocky's planet as well is being attacked by these things, but 1000 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,640 it's going to become about their friendship and learning each 1001 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,320 other's language and working together. 1002 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:42,840 And I understand if somebody's like the theme is working 1003 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,280 together with people that you have historically other than 1004 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,600 call, quote UN quote, aliens. I do not think that that is like 1005 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,960 an actual thoughtful commentary in this movie, but you could 1006 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,160 certainly project out on it. Yeah. 1007 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,080 So it it works, it works. Rocky works. 1008 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,760 Yeah, I like them working together on this task. 1009 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,720 I like that Rocky is also like really smart and it and his 1010 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,640 ship, you know, at the end makes the kind of like Earth 1011 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,200 technology look like child's play kind of, you know. 1012 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,720 Yeah, the whole map design of like sending that in the 1013 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,520 cylinder was pretty cool where that that little metal map 1014 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,440 because rocket can build things really fast. 1015 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,600 There were some like unique design. 1016 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,800 So to give it some credit that that was pretty cool. 1017 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,800 Yeah, but I mean, ultimately I think the all the science 1018 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:35,240 fiction like bullshit that is like being told to us of like 1019 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,880 there's a lot the goo that then the astrophage and like there's 1020 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,760 a certain metal and then. Predator. 1021 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,320 Yeah, the they find a Predator, which I was like, oh, are we 1022 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,720 going to go meet like other aliens on this planet just cause 1023 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,880 like Predator makes me think of like actual alien predator. 1024 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,080 And I had thought because the way that they were talking about 1025 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,400 it and there's so much just kind of like being told to us in 1026 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,400 these like science fiction terms that are made-up. 1027 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:06,240 I was like, oh, are we going to go to someone who is like trying 1028 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,240 their planet is also dying. And so like out of kind of self 1029 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,240 preservation, they're going to, they're creating this line 1030 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:16,720 between the sun and wherever. No, that didn't happen. 1031 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,480 I don't know if it would have been better if it happened 1032 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,920 either. I just like, I think it's just 1033 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,360 like an example of like how everything that was being told 1034 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,280 to us, I was like, I, I need less of, of this like that. 1035 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,240 You can tell me, you know what the goo is doing and that's all 1036 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:32,400 fine. I like that when we learned like 1037 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,080 I have to go back and save Rocky. 1038 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,880 I can only either make it to Earth or go back. 1039 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,320 That's fine to explain to me like why his ship is going to be 1040 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,080 infected by this. Because it's quick. 1041 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,880 Yeah. But everything else, especially 1042 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,280 when we're in the testing stage where we haven't Ryan Gosling 1043 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,920 hasn't gone to space yet or like, I guess, you know, he is, 1044 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,760 is doing all the tests inside that room in a hazmat suit at 1045 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,840 the very beginning with all the government officials who we 1046 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,680 don't really know who they are. And he's kind of like, you know, 1047 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,440 having them. He's like, get excited. 1048 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,680 And they're all like fake, you know, like cheering. 1049 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,280 And those are funny moments. But all of that science shit, 1050 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,480 like is just like, it's just too much. 1051 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,960 It's it overtakes a lot of the fun parts of the movie because 1052 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,600 then I'm like, I don't really care about all that. 1053 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,280 I'm not sure. I kind of think we should just 1054 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,120 get rid of this trope and sci-fi movies at this point because 1055 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,160 they're in The Martian. It happens with Donald Glover's 1056 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,600 character where he's asked to explain how they're going to go 1057 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,200 around a planet or whatever. Do you remember that? 1058 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,560 And he gets excited. He jumps up from his bed. 1059 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,760 His like room's a mess. This is before Donald Glover was 1060 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,320 like really like I am Childish Gambino now, like I'm not going 1061 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,320 to fuck around with like this acting thing where I have to 1062 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,280 play sort of like a a nerd. Like he kind of left that, but 1063 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,600 that's what he was doing around that time. 1064 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,760 And really Scott's film and it's sort of works, but it goes on 1065 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,440 too long in that movie. And it's one of the more 1066 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,920 annoying parts of the film because they're just over 1067 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,240 explaining like Galaxy brain sci-fi logic to you. 1068 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:57,520 And then it happens again in Interstellar, but it's 1069 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,680 Christopher Nolan directing it. So it's a little bit different. 1070 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,400 But when Matthew McConaughey, who is very charismatic in that 1071 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,280 role, when he flips the board over and he does like a game 1072 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,360 plan, like he's doing a football play to Anne Hathaway and other 1073 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,880 guys and explaining, I guess those are fine. 1074 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,040 To me though like that, but those are the worst. 1075 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,000 Parts of those movies while still working, if that makes 1076 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,520 sense. I do think you're right. 1077 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,560 You're on to something here. Just certainly doesn't work in 1078 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,360 Project Hail Mary. sci-fi films. Hail Mary. 1079 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,920 Agreed. I think, yeah, agreed. 1080 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,160 But I think they just get rid of that in general. 1081 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,520 There's also a debrief in Sunshine at the beginning of the 1082 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,240 movie, what's happening, and it goes on too long. 1083 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:33,320 So I think it's just a part of maybe the plot mechanics of 1084 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,840 these movies. You can't get around it, but 1085 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:38,640 maybe it's actually that it's dead, but I don't know. 1086 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,800 So Gosling goes, how do we say this? 1087 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,440 They they take the predator stuff, they bring it back. 1088 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,760 They want to bring it to their planets and to stop this 1089 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,680 bacteria from eating the sun, right. 1090 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,560 They're. Going to save the world. 1091 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,520 Both of them are going to save their worlds, right? 1092 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,920 Gosling realizes that he wants to go back and save Rocky 1093 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,800 because it's more important to save this new friendship that he 1094 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,440 has because he actually has nothing else to live for on 1095 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,400 Earth, and he and it. Was beautiful when Rocky, you 1096 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,880 know, said, I'll give you. It was very nice, my fuel to get 1097 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,960 back. And we had that whole like Ryan 1098 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,240 Gosling crying. And he was like, I thought you 1099 00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,760 said you were like brave. And he was like, that's just 1100 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,080 like something you say, you know, like that all really 1101 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,160 works. So then that made it more 1102 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,320 emotional when he decides to go back to save Rocky. 1103 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,760 Right. I also like how the Grace 1104 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,800 character like plays it where he tries to get all mopey and goes 1105 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,960 into the dark and you just see a silhouette and Rocky's like I 1106 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,200 guess this is where he wants me to say I will give you some of 1107 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:38,200 my whatever I'm giving you. You've been missing out on six 1108 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,360 years with his. His. 1109 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,440 Rock partner Adrian who grace. They've been together for 180 1110 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,320 something years and he's like, not long enough. 1111 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:53,360 I was like, aw, Rocky, they have monogamy on your on your in your 1112 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,720 place. So Gosling sends the parasite 1113 00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:00,200 stuff or whatever, the predator stuff to Earth and beetles 1114 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,520 labeled cartridges. I'm only identifying this 1115 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,280 because there's a lot of needle drops in this movie that made no 1116 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,400 sense to me. And there's a Beatles needle 1117 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,080 drop when he sends them out and he names them like I don't. 1118 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,080 Even remember was it Lucy and this guy with diamonds? 1119 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,120 Like what was. Who who cares, is the point. 1120 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,800 We why would we? We don't know anything about 1121 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,720 this character. And then when it happened, I was 1122 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,040 like, OK, he likes The Beatles. Like, I don't understand. 1123 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,520 Like we know nothing about him. It wasn't like a motif. 1124 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,600 It would be cool. If he like taught because he 1125 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,880 taught Rocky about Rocky Balboa, but it would be cool if he, 1126 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,360 like, taught him about The Beatles. 1127 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,840 Yeah, I guess. I guess maybe. 1128 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,440 That did happen, and it was deleted. 1129 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,840 Yeah. It's already so long. 1130 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,000 And there's, like, a lot of fake endings and in this movie, 1131 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,680 because I think we had a fake ending right before that. 1132 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,720 And then Gosling goes back to save Rocky. 1133 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,560 It's sort of a rug pool. He's alive still. 1134 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,440 That happens twice in the film because Gosling gets hurt and 1135 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,640 Rocky saves him. We think Rocky dies. 1136 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,120 I got emotional. Yeah. 1137 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,360 Yeah, You too. Yeah, I was like, Oh my God, 1138 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,680 he's going to sacrifice. Himself to save Ryan Gosling, 1139 00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,320 right? They both sell it. 1140 00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:02,480 Yeah, and then Ryan Gosling, you know, like the watching him 1141 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,960 sleep thing was cute. The hug thing was cute. 1142 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,360 Of like when do you know it's over? 1143 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,600 The I loved also when Rocky was like question, statement, you 1144 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,400 know, that all worked for me. Yeah, weird movie, weird movie. 1145 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,760 There's other things to say that worked probably, but that's, I 1146 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,000 think that's where we can end it because there's an epilogue 1147 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,280 where. Well, let's talk about the 1148 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,480 epilogue, because that worked for me. 1149 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,160 Yeah, what? What works about it for you? 1150 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,400 Well, he apparently it saved Earth, right? 1151 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,120 He sent back the doles Proto whatever they. 1152 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,720 Were you see an older Sandra Holder? 1153 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,800 Yes. Who is now living on like a 1154 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:38,360 frozen tundra? Yeah. 1155 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,920 And she like kind of smiles and they they start, you know, the 1156 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,680 process of saving Earth. And he is back on Rocky's planet 1157 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:55,640 in this sort of like world that was made for him in a a beach 1158 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,160 and. He's like a celebrity there. 1159 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,080 He's rocks. Yeah. 1160 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,280 And I I didn't realize that he you kind of said said that when 1161 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,360 we open it up, you're like, he's going to be a celebrity there. 1162 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,680 And I was like, is that is that what he's doing? 1163 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,480 Like he woke up on the side of the beach kind of like a Luke 1164 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,600 like coded thing and then is on the beach talking to Rocky and 1165 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,040 Rocky's like, we're ready to, you know, repair your ship to go 1166 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,920 back and and Ryan's like, I don't know if I want to. 1167 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,080 And then he teaches a class. He's like, what's the speed of 1168 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,960 light? And we pan to all these Little 1169 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,560 Rock children going crazy, which did work. 1170 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,760 It was cute but. That was the hardest I laughed 1171 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:32,920 out loud in the theater, I think. 1172 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,240 Yeah. But ultimately, like just said, 1173 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,720 I didn't really, I don't know. I don't really care about the 1174 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,520 movie. After I ended I was like just 1175 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,320 surprised that I had it as good a time as I did. 1176 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,520 Yeah, yeah, I guess we both have just got. 1177 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,320 I think most people I thought got a little bit cynical to the 1178 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,400 like, we created this creature, so you'll buy the plushie 1179 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,400 because it does feel like what it what they're doing, right? 1180 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,840 Anyways, that was the extra credits of Project Hail Mary. 1181 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,600 We haven't actually given extra credits to the film. 1182 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,440 I'm going to give it to Ryan Gosling as a movie star because 1183 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,760 even though more white men in Hollywood don't need to be like, 1184 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,960 you know, admired for continuing to be movie stars, It is pretty 1185 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,600 impressive that he is now at like decade 3 of being 1. 1186 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,480 You could argue, and this isn't even in his like top 15 1187 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,120 performances is seen a movie that has literally like nothing 1188 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,480 to say. You know, it's a sci-fi film 1189 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,760 probably, but a performance that I, I will remember because of 1190 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,960 how much he holds the movie together somehow because he's 1191 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,280 acting to a tennis ball or like a, you know, puppet of. 1192 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,200 Rocky yeah. I mean, I don't want to give it 1193 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,640 to the same thing, but I was the whole time thinking, I can't 1194 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:43,880 believe he's in a room alone right now. 1195 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,400 And I'm just like enjoying watching him. 1196 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,920 I guess the the writing for Rocky is what I'll give extra 1197 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,920 credit to and maybe the design of Rocky, creating him as like a 1198 00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,880 cute character. I think that while we were 1199 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,240 talking about all these, like, different sci-fi characters that 1200 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,320 he is, you know, inspired by to be cute. 1201 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,080 I think that if you liked this movie, I would check out Marcel 1202 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,160 the Shell with shoes on if you have it all. 1203 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,200 Really. Yeah. 1204 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,880 Because it's like a, a more I, I kind of deepened or more 1205 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,040 interesting thing that it's doing Interesting. 1206 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,520 You don't think so? No, I I like that. 1207 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:22,760 It's an interesting recommendation. 1208 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,600 I like the idea of us recommending movies. 1209 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,360 That's like a new thing. End of the movie. 1210 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,200 If you like this, watch this. I recommend Interstellar 1211 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:34,760 tonight. Throw it on. 1212 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,320 In fact, maybe just go see that again. 1213 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,400 There was a really fun moment where it was like, I think it 1214 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,000 was really towards the beginning where Ryan Gosling walks into 1215 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,320 the room where you can send the messages back to Earth. 1216 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,840 And it's like if you want to record this, you know, And he's 1217 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,240 like, no, you know, that was like a direct interstellar, you 1218 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,080 know, thing of the Matthew McConaughey crying sequence. 1219 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,720 That always gets me. Yeah. 1220 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,240 There's. A lot of the close encounters 1221 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,760 that I can't do it, yeah, but that was. 1222 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,640 There was, yeah. The close encounters was funny. 1223 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,200 Was your day coming out? Like two months. 1224 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,240 I was like, oh wow. I was like both thinking this is 1225 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,960 like Elliot has grown up and gone to meet another ET slash 1226 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,200 like the dad from close encounters like actually going 1227 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,520 to space like. I you know what? 1228 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,240 Extra credit to sweaters. Sure. 1229 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,160 Yeah. Good. 1230 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,720 Ryan Gosling sweaters in this movie. 1231 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,640 I don't know where. Teacher salary. 1232 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,400 He's getting those sweaters. But again, could be a a charter 1233 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:27,800 private. School. 1234 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,000 Yeah, I didn't always love the print on the sweaters, but I 1235 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,440 liked the thickness of the sweaters themselves. 1236 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,520 I thought they were weird and it gave him a character. 1237 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,520 That's true. What do you think about the 1238 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,960 glasses thing he was doing? Ryan Gosling was trying his best 1239 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,200 to be like this. Ryland Grace guy does not have 1240 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,720 any characterization. I'm just going to wear my 1241 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,200 glasses like nobody else has ever worn their glasses. 1242 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,600 How did he not? He wore them like this. 1243 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,160 Oh, they're like sideways. Oh, yeah, He put them on his 1244 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:53,840 head. Oh my God. 1245 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,720 Nobody's ever seen anybody do this. 1246 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,320 Nobody can see me. Right now, let me just explain 1247 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,040 because I didn't know what was Trey was talking about, but it's 1248 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,520 one one glass that's. Insane. 1249 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,920 If Stan, what do you call it an ear stem on on his ear and the 1250 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,120 other one is like on his chin. You're right it. 1251 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,240 Was like upper neck. Yeah, Yeah. 1252 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,960 And I was like, is he doing that because he wants us to see his 1253 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,040 face and that's what we've paid to come see? 1254 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,960 Or is he doing that because there's no characterization? 1255 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,960 Or is it both? I I really don't know. 1256 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,360 So there's some choices being made. 1257 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:21,640 Yeah. OK. 1258 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,320 All right. That was the extra credits of 1259 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,960 Project Hail Mary. What other movies are coming out 1260 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,240 next? We haven't seen Hoppers yet, 1261 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,320 which apparently is just the greatest Pixar movie in a long 1262 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,680 time. So we're going to see that soon. 1263 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,200 We're seeing Don't, Don't Wait, No Ready or Not 2. 1264 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:37,920 Here I come. Here I come. 1265 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,840 Which, by the way. Yeah, tell him. 1266 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,160 I when this movie came out, wait was that when the first word or 1267 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,720 not came out? I tweeted if the sequel isn't 1268 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,680 here I come then we riot. OK, I don't know where that 1269 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,360 tweets gone now, but I have been talking to Kelsey about you 1270 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,880 haven't. Stamped on letterboxed. 1271 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,760 That's true. It is on Letterboxed. 1272 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,080 Yeah. And I'm only saying that because 1273 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,640 we love Already or not, we love that first movie. 1274 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,040 We might talk about on Patreon soon, but excited to see the 1275 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,320 second one. The reviews are not good, which 1276 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:07,400 is a bummer. That sucks. 1277 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,640 I wasn't expecting. I'm not going in with high 1278 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:10,560 expectations. Yeah. 1279 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,640 I I'm fine with a an OK horror movie. 1280 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,320 You know, it will suffer. I think I think people probably 1281 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,000 do not talk about and and spoil it for an extra credit for the 1282 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:28,560 first one, the the OC Seth of it all in Adam Brody. 1283 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,400 I think that really helps the first movie a lot because a lot 1284 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,880 of people have a relationship to him and now you to do with The 1285 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,200 OC and now you also understand in La La Land when Emma Stone 1286 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,400 says it's dangerous Minds meets The OC. 1287 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,280 I understand. It now you understand because 1288 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,720 you watched some of. I love the OC. 1289 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,800 I have a lot to say about the random OC guy who's like a 1290 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,800 psychopath who comes up in the pit. 1291 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,720 Lot to say there. I literally said try. 1292 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:57,320 You should make a TikTok about Oliver with Marissa in the hotel 1293 01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,600 room because the whole time we were watching the pit, we were 1294 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,400 like, who is this? Who is this? 1295 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,480 And then I forget which one of us like found it and showed each 1296 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,440 other on the phone. But I was like, you have to make 1297 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:08,600 a tick. Talk about this and you're. 1298 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,400 Killing his wife. That's why they're in there. 1299 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:11,560 That's why they're in the hospital. 1300 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,760 But I was, you're like, no one's going to know. 1301 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,080 No one's going to know. I was like, everyone's going to 1302 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,440 know. People are going to care. 1303 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,600 And anyway, at least it showed up on my algorithm, so. 1304 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:22,440 Are you got just over on Patreon? 1305 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,240 I don't know what we'll come back for on the main feed. 1306 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,480 Maybe an update on the pic because it ends next month I'm 1307 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,800 very excited for. It which I will basically just 1308 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,800 talk, talk about Oliver again there. 1309 01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:35,840 Very excited for that and Lee Cronin's The Mummy, which is a a 1310 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,520 remake because the rights became public. 1311 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,000 I think. I forget how that works because 1312 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,120 there's another Mummy movie coming out with Rachel Vice and 1313 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,200 Brendan Fraser next year apparently, which is very 1314 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,280 exciting for us because we're big Mummy fans. 1315 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,760 So we'll probably be covering that movie next on the May feed. 1316 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,120 Not sure, but stay tuned. Peace out. 1317 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,640 Bye Statement statement.