Welcome to the extra credits of Project Hail Mary.
I'm Trey. And I'm Kelsey.
I wish I could insert a Ryan Gosling scream right now.
Oh, so we just saw an early screening of this movie a few
days ago in a packed house. The reception so far going into
opening weekend is very, very positive because for whatever
reason, there are early screenings across the country
over the past two weeks, not just for critics but for regular
movie goers. There are some calling it an
Interstellar experience, which after seeing the movie I
understand why that was the example used.
I liked this movie, but I think a lot of the reaction I've seen
so far in the 4.4 or whatever it is on Letterbox right now is has
to be has to be just content creators like capitalizing on
this being the biggest movie in theaters over the next few weeks
because. 100%. This is not interstellar.
Yes, it's certainly not interstellar.
Or any like great sci-fi film? For that, it is a testament to
Ryan Gosling's charm and acting. That is exactly what it.
Is sure, but it is. It is a ET space friendship
movie. Yes, that's a fact.
That is not a drama completely. It is more like a comedic buddy
comedy. Yeah, sort of drama, but not
really. It's.
It's a lot of everything and sort of nothing at the same
time, but I had a good time watching it.
Before we get into a synopsis, non spoiler talk and then deeper
into spoiler talk. The Doom 3 trailer came out.
It it did you literally just watched it?
I did. I saw it yesterday.
I just did a TikTok. On I thought you're going to
wait for me. To watch it, I know.
Well, because of the TikTok thing.
Now I'm like, I have to jump on things.
And I watched the Spider Man trailer today.
Yeah, yeah. I like the Spider Man trailer.
I don't have much to say there outside of it's very exciting to
be going back to the Sam Raimi framework of Spider Man because
it looks like Tom Holland is going back to his roots as Peter
Parker and what the everyday life is for Peter, even if it is
in this like Doctor Strange mutated world where nobody
remembers him. Doom part three.
What do you think about the trailer?
Are you excited? I'm excited.
I am too. Yeah, it looks great.
It does look good. I think we have some like false
images that that were shown to us which are exciting.
Interesting. Well, why don't we just say what
it is? I mean.
Oh, I guess, I guess because the trailer is available to the
public. The false image being Zendaya.
Yeah, Zendaya and Timmy together, because at the end of
the trailer it has like Zendaya with a knife, which I'm assuming
she's going to go to kill Timmy, right?
And it just looks so good. We didn't really get at least I
mean I only watched it once and just literally seconds ago, but
I didn't really see too much of the the Skarsgard or like the
the. Imperium.
No, the I'm forgetting their names now.
The Harkonnen. Yeah.
And I guess like Rob Pattinson is going to kind of take the
place of a different space family in this succession space
drama. He looks like a mix of
Christopher Walken meets the guy from The Da Vinci Code.
I OK, I was going to say it's giving written by Paul Schrader.
He it looks like Da Vinci Code guy but also in like first
Reformed. Paul Pett is.
Yeah, I'm so excited for whatever Rob, Pat.
Has going on I want to know they didn't give us Pattinson's voice
and based on his history of voice acting.
I am Gen. Z.
All I can think about. Or like the Miyazaki movie he
did where I think he was the the giant bird or or seagull,
whatever, or devil all the time and a lot of other movies.
The King. Yeah, that's the most iconic one
probably. You're right.
This is very exciting. It is very exciting that Timothy
Chalmay fought a very impressive Austin Butler and fader out the
and now looks like he's going to be fighting Pattinson.
Very exciting. Denis, come on the show we have,
we feel like we have a similar interests.
Denis also saw the king. Yeah, it was a big fan.
He saw the mud fight. What I'm interested in is how
Denis is going to finish this exploration of white Messiah
myths and this critique of white savior dumb and ultimately the
subversion. It's like genius trilogy
subversion of luring, you know, Western audiences into what they
think is a hero story only to twist that and be like you've
been watching a villain origin story.
That is very exciting to me. It's so Denevon of coded like
that's like his entire project of studying colonialism and
imperialism in this films. So I'm I'm in I'm in on that.
And Timmy as space fascist looked good.
I understand why he shaved his head now, because that was that
was the question for a long time.
Oh, I always thought, well, I had thought it was for Marty
Supreme. Wait, does he have hair?
Marty Supreme. He's got a nice hair.
He's got some. Yeah.
I was like, what? What do you mean?
Wait, OK, I guess yeah for Dune then yeah.
Why do I picture him like with? A buzz cut, I'm not sure.
I think a lot of the press, he was having a buzz cut because he
was shooting Dune 3 while doing press for Marty Supreme.
So it's hard to disconnect to me from the the performances.
The last thing I want to bring up is going back to the the
subversive imagery being used. I think Paul was having a vision
of that seems likely Johnny and their child and naming it Leto,
the Oscar Isaac's character, the father figure, because that's
really Paul's main mission is like, I'm trying to avenge my,
you know, the the death of my family symbolically, but also my
father. And he will do it and sacrifice
billions of people to do it. Like that seems like what his
plan is. I haven't read the books.
We haven't read Frank Herbert's novels.
We have no idea how the. I did, but honestly, I don't
know that I'll have. I mean, yeah, so, but I, I don't
know that I'll have, you know, the amount of hours to listen to
it. I probably won't.
We're just really busy. Doesn't seem likely.
And also, I just like being surprised in movies.
Like, I like the shock. But obviously George Lucas
already iterated on Paul with Anakin, so I kind of know where
this is going to go, or at least I think I do.
So yeah. But when they talk about the
baby and then they cut to Paul cleaning his, you know, bald ass
head, I was like, OK, I see what's going on here.
The transfer transformation to, you know, fascist.
OK, interesting. Do.
You think that he'll have like a yelling at Obi Wan, you know
situation. Would that be Duncan Idaho?
Who would that be? The return of Duncan Idaho, by
the way, Jason Momoa. Surprising.
Well, I assumed that was like some sort of some sort of
technology that the Bennett Jesuits have access to of like
recreating A synthetic kind of situation.
The Bennett Jesuits got 5G. By the way, the Bennett deserts
look amazing. Yeah, they do.
I love how spooky they are. And it's tell Her Joy.
It looks like she's actually playing a character in this
movie, which is exciting. Florence Pugh is back.
I think there's some other cast members too.
So Dune Part 3 looks good. Denevonov really hasn't failed
us in terms of making great films.
If not sometimes problematic, that's a whole other
conversation. I don't think this is going to
have the same issues as Doom Part 2 that we criticize it for,
even though we thought it was like maybe the best movie of the
year. And we're huge fans of Doom Part
1. I think that's both of our like
favorite of the two Dune films and you can listen to those
episodes on Patreon. Speaking of Patreon, today is a
Ryan Gosling episode, so we will be putting his best performance
of his career that we recovered on Patreon and the Nice Guys for
free for free members. You have access to that if you
sign up in the description for Patreon as a free member.
A lot of Ryan Gosling screams there.
A lot of the Ryan Gosling screams.
I think we also do a career retrospective and.
I think we do. I don't remember anything that
we said. Canada, yeah, we get into it.
Yeah. I think we rank his movies.
Yeah, Yeah. So it was a huge episode and I
think I genuinely do think that is his best performance.
I think so too. I think that movie captures what
his skills are. And today in Project Hail Mary,
we will also talk about how it is wild that the movie is mostly
just with Ryan Gosling. Yeah, it's Ryan Gosling the
movie. It's a testament to how much
people want to see him in his comedic element and spend time
with him honestly. On screen.
We rewatched La La Land last night.
Beautiful film. Five stars, no notes.
If you disagree, don't let us know.
I almost cried at every scene. Yeah, it's amazing.
It's it's a a Kelsey Trey like favorite.
It's in our, you know, top 10 for our relationship.
We saw it when we were in college, so it was like very
formative, but we were like, damn, Ryan Gosling's really
fucking good in this movie. And also he looks so different.
Like he looks so different in Project Hail Mary than he did
then. And they look like two different
people. So if it feels like when I watch
Project Tale Mary, it almost looks a bit.
And I will talk about this with the screenplay a little bit
today, unfortunately, which is a harsh dig, but he looks almost
like AI created him in Project Tale Mary.
It's something that we're. Noticing with like actors
getting filler, you know? I think, well, you said during
the movie like he's he's still hot.
Like, didn't you say that I did, or am I imagining that?
Well, no, yeah, 'cause I, I think, I mean, it's not that I
thought he was not hot, but I think around what was the movie
Fun guy, three guy. The fall guy.
Not not a bad film, good
performance. Yeah, fine.
Also using his talents but he looked like a just different
there it looks a. Little bit like plastic.
Yeah, and you can and especially like in Ken and it kind of like
worked into the role in that way for him looking kind of, yeah,
plastic or, or whatever work he's had done.
But here. So then I think going into this
movie, I just wasn't expecting to maybe have the like Ryan
Gosling effect of like, oh, wow. Like he's charming, he's
beautiful, love him and his personality.
Like certainly he he gets to kind of like do his thing in in
this movie, but I was also like, wow, he's attractive.
He is, which I wasn't expecting. So non spoiler talk for like the
next few minutes, I'm going to do a quick synopsis and then we
can talk about our initial reaction and we get into deeper
spoilers. I don't think this is going to
be a crazy long podcast, but I did have a good time watching
this movie and I do want to talk about why it's also sort of a
train wreck. Yeah, that's fair too.
The movie is called Project Hail Mary and it is based off a 2021
novel that I have not read. But people love huge fandom
around this novel, and the synopsis of this movie is
basically that the world is in shock after scientists observe
that the sun is losing its power or whatever.
It's dimming. I think something's eating the
sun. Something is eating the sun.
It's some kind of like Organism or microorganism.
I think they call it like Astro something, astrophage, something
like that. And they are.
The government is warning the public, or at least kids in
middle school classrooms are wondering.
And their science teachers are not allowed to tell them an
inconvenient truth, that the Earth has 30 years left before
it basically freezes over and the government approaches a
former molecular biologist who is now a middle school science
teacher. Ryland Grace.
I think that's his name. Grace.
Yeah. They.
Call him Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling.
Oh, wait. Great.
Wait, that's really funny. Is his name really Ryan?
I wonder in the movie. It is, yeah.
It. Is that's funny?
And the government's like, yo, Ryan Gosling, do you want to
study this astrophage phage thing in the hopes that maybe
you can defeat it or we can defeat it.
And he goes on an adventure and he happens to spark up a
surprise friendship in the loneliest place in the universe,
the emptiness of space. I can't say much more without
spoilers. So before we get to spoilers, I
want to ask you a question. I was wrestling with this after
watching this a few nights ago, and I've been thinking about it
since. Do you think that there is a
great movie inside Project Hail Mary or did we watch the best
version of a bad movie? Thanks to Ryan Gosling, who
saves a horrible film. And I gave this 3 1/2 stars and
a heart. And I meant it on Letterbox,
which we are a little bit harsh on there sometimes.
Maybe that's pretentious, whatever, but I like had a good
time. Yeah, let's put it this way.
I I liked the movie and throughout the whole movie I was
like, why do I like this? Like this isn't a good movie.
Yeah, I thought about that a lot.
I kept turning to you, like, smiling.
Yeah. And I was like, why am I
enjoying myself right now? I'll never watch it again.
I don't think it was a, you know, I, I that's a great
question because one, like, I think there may have been a good
movie in here to like play with. Like I can understand why people
maybe really like the book, but it took us a long time to get to
the part of the movie that I did enjoy.
And regardless, I was like happy to go along in the first part,
even though there are pacing issues just because I like Ryan
Gosling. So I like watching him.
But so in that sense, like maybe it could be like a good solid 3
star movie if we just like cut a lot of fat off of it.
But on the other hand, like it really if we replace Ryan
Gosling the movie. Like with Glenn Powell?
Yeah. Then it falls apart.
Then it's a terrible movie because I think just at least
what the the movie is doing isn't really, there's something
interesting and possibly like beautiful and optimistic as like
a children's movie. I was going to bring this up
too. I guess there's a Pixar
commentary about friendship in here.
I wouldn't say that it really like it pushes any boundaries to
be truly about that that theme. Well, Phil Lord and Christopher
Miller, the directors of this film, have only ever directed
the Lego Movie, which is very popular for, you know, a
probably younger generation, more people of all ages, I don't
know. But also 21 and 22 Jump St.
They wrote the Spider Man films. They cross the spider verse and
Beyond the spider verse, I believe, and I think they're
writing the next one as well. But they're really known for
those movies. I think they're Cloudy with a
Chance of Meatballs. So they've mostly been in
animation and comedies, and that makes sense considering this
movie. I don't remember 22 jump St.
jumps. Well, 21 jump.
Street I remember 21 iconic is is.
I think 22 is Julia, Rob Heard. Julia, Rob, OK, that's exactly.
That's the only thing I remember.
Yeah, OK. You should rewatch those since
we're doing Bridesmaids this month on Patreon just for
comedies for like, best studio comedies, 21st Century.
Yeah. I thought this was one of the
most bizarre theatrical experiences that I've had in a
long time because I had a lot of fun, but I would have this is
this never really happens while watching in the theater.
But if something hit me about 45 minutes into the first act where
I was like, when does the movie start?
Where I was like, wow. I would have hated this film
watching it at home because it's so poorly paced.
It is far too long, it is messy and it's editing.
We usually don't make that criticism, but like right away
from the jump of this movie, not because it's jumping in
different times. Not to spoil anything crazy, but
the way it's just cut up together, like it doesn't want
you to know the geography of any room you're in, in space or on
Earth. And it just takes forever just
to get going. And there's enough Ryan Gosling
and his like, secret sauce, charm and charisma and enough
weirdness from who he meets along the way in his his
adventure and fun that I was happy to be there.
But I was just like, like you said, I don't think I'd ever
rewatch this movie, but strangely, I would be there
opening night for a sequel. Isn't that weird?
Yeah, no, I feel the same way. Yeah, so Gosling's a cheat, Cody
is doing the heavy lifting, but there is something, I don't
know, there is something fun here.
Yes, there is something fun. It's been wildly inflated.
It's not an Interstellar. I do think that it has to do
with what we've talked about before in terms like content
creators now merging into the movie critics space and being
like the loudest voices in that space, right?
And also that, you know, when you see a a space movie starring
Ryan Gosling, you're like, oh, I need to go see this space drama.
Yes, but it is like the most unserious movie you could
imagine if you're going in with those expectations and, and, but
I'm excited to talk about what I liked about it.
Well, before we before we do that last thing, I got to say
you, you almost have to see this movie because of how much of an
achievement it is that it is a it is a science fiction $200
million movie starring Ryan Gosling and also Anatomy of
Fall, Sandra Haller, who who I love an anatomy of a Fall, but
is unfortunately miscast in this film.
Yeah, she's one or two good scenes, you know.
Julia, Rob Hertz would be great here.
She would have been great here, but this?
So this is a $200 million science fiction movie that uses
almost every image, sound, relationship, or cinematic
experience that you have as an audience member have likely
already seen before. It then recycles those cinematic
experiences and you don't really get anything new out of it.
It there's nothing really novel in it.
And I don't think I've ever said that about a sci-fi movie
because science fiction inherently is supposed to like
have ideas. And I don't know if there is an
idea in this film. And I found that to be like,
fine, like, movies don't have to have like, provocative themes
all the time. But I was like, it's a science
fiction movie about the world ending, and it's really just
about friendship. My favorite thing is that I like
to imagine, you know, Ryan Gosling has now starred in one
of the most like serious bleak sci-fi mainstream sort of
mainstream movies, it being Kay and Denise, Blade Runner.
And it's now also in the one of the most like unserious science
fiction movies that at least is being sold.
Or like, you know, it's weird because like we're in this like
particular moment of like hype that it is something that is it
a sci-fi movie at its core. And you're right, like it.
But that's what I'm saying. Like it does have ideas, I guess
that people might be like, oh, that was refreshing in this end
of the world kind of dystopia backdrop.
But like ultimately it just kind of feels like but like.
Even in Ridley Scott's The Martian, there was still this
commentary about like globalism, like countries coming together
to save the planet, essentially. And even though that's
idealistic and Arrival would be like the opposite of that, which
is sort of about that, but really it kind of gets there
toward the end. There is nothing like that in
this movie. Like there's no relationships
that this character has to anybody.
The the government that's working with him is sort of this
like anonymous, like UN group, but you're not really aware of
what their motivations are like in terms of what happens if it
all does go to shit. So yeah.
And and you said multiple times that the score even felt like
who who's the. It's a great composer too.
What's his name again? Who did the Spider Man films?
Daniel Pemberton, who made one of the coolest scores of the
last, you know, of this decade? And across the Spider verse, he
made a score that was like, basically doing Interstellar
cosplay. Yeah.
There was a a lot of like clock, the sounds.
There was one particular moment of the movie where they're
trying to like accomplish something.
It was really like relying on an Interstellar adjacent
soundtrack, which I was like, is this why people are saying
Interstellar? And besides some, you know,
string imagery? And then the other thing was
like there was a lot of other space movies that felt like they
were mixed into this movie like you're saying, like the the
Heppapod or Heptapod. Yeah, from arrival you already?
Said the noise. Post encounter shout outs, which
was funny, that was funny, but again, it felt like so
postmodern in that way, which is like we're going to reference
all these things, you know, it felt like content.
It felt like science fiction content and I and that is
disappointing. So spoilers ahead.
We're going to deep dive this movie, starting with Act 1.
The movie opens with Ryan Gosling waking up on a
spaceship, right? And he's got no memory.
He's got a massive beard. Everyone's dead.
He's getting drunk off somebody
else's vodka and he basically is giving like a Chris Hemsworth's
Thor Ragnarok meets you, what you said, his former character
from The Notebook energy hero. It's like a blend of characters
that audiences are familiar with.
But right away, I was confused with tone.
Like I was excited to see Gosling in a science fiction
movie. I was excited to see him in the
space spaceship. He doesn't know what's going on.
So he's lost his memory because of being in this crowd sleep for
so long, I think. But tonally it I was confused.
I was so. Confused.
It felt like Mickey 17, but also wanted to be a serious sci-fi
movie. Well, yeah, it was weird because
he was waking up. Everyone's dead.
We see the dead bodies, but immediately, like we have the
Ryan Gosling scream and trying to get away from this like robot
that wakes him up and tells him like everything's going to be OK
and is a friendly version of mother.
Like that's also something that we will talk about.
There's like friendly technology, but and it's like to
shave his his Noah beard from the notebook.
And there's like a funny aspect to seeing.
Yeah, it was very Mickey 17, like Robert Pattinson, you know,
him being dragged by this like sleeping bag kind of thing,
plastic thing that he's in like a little Caterpillar, Ryan
Gosling, but it. Is what it was like.
It was. And then, you know, not having
access to his limbs because he's like waking up from this coma
and climbing up the ship that. He does do one of his screams.
He does, yeah. And and he does that a few times
and that that really gets you through the 1st part here.
But ultimately he is like there, there are some funny moments
where he's like talking about a specific piece of technology or,
or I don't even know what it is. And he's like, am I smart?
That works. But ultimately it's just kind of
like Ryan Gosling confused, running around a spaceship for
far too long. And then also it establishes
like he had some sort of, you know, relationship to these
people because that's supposed to be what it's driving.
Like, you know, he doesn't know who he is.
He's writing on the whiteboard. Who am I?
Who are these people? Who does he have a relationship
or why does he have a relationship relationship to
these people? We never figured that out.
We actually never see the relationship really that he has
to these people because it's kind of non existent.
We find it at the end of the movie because he never expected
to go on this mission. But but throughout that, you're
like, OK, then why do we get this whole send off and him like
looking at their pictures? And it didn't even serve the
purpose of like honoring them as astronauts and their sacrifice.
Because when we actually do meet them, you know, there's this
whole focus on like Ryan Gosling's character being brave
and bravery to like, save the planet.
And it's. Revealed that he wasn't brave
because he never wanted to go. But then also like it, it's kind
of with the astronauts who are shot into space.
And he's like, I, you know, I wish I knew you.
You seemed like you had a lot of friends and does this whole
tribute. It's like, why do we spend that
much time there besides just trying to like, invoke this
mysterious thing that's happening?
And we're going to put together Ryan Gosling's life puzzle
throughout this this movie. Yeah.
It just all kind of emotionally fell flat.
Well, do you think I agree? Do you think that this movie is
stuck between trying to be like 'cause I'm genuinely confused.
Listeners can let us know in the comments to like politely.
Is this movie trying to be a parody of other sci-fi films
while also trying to be an original sci-fi movie 'cause it
feels like it's trying to be earnest, but it also feels
insecure when it gets too earnest.
It has to then be silly, if that makes sense.
Like I, I'm still sort of confused because it feels like a
soda, like a soda mix of like every sci-fi piece of cinema
that we've ever seen in film, Like I said earlier.
So I don't, I never knew how like I to feel outside of
laughing at Ryan Gosling, kind of like stumbling around, you
know, space And eventually with his, you know, ET friend, which
we can get to a little bit later, who is probably the best
part of the movie, Rocky. Yeah, once we get to Rocky, then
then we're good. Then I'm enjoying myself.
But it took me a while to get there.
Even with the flashbacks. I was like, where are we going?
This is getting a little boring. Do you think that we just have a
cynical relationship to like new grogos when we see them?
Like there was a new trailer for Mandalorian in the Gogu movie
while we were watching, while we were like watching trailers for
this film. And I was like, wow, they really
are selling this movie based on our relationship to this toy.
And like, do you think that that's what people are loving
about Project Hail Mary is that they're just like obsessed with
Rocky? I'm going to get to it later,
but. I don't know.
I mean, I think that I think that it's like a feel good
movie. Yeah.
And I, I think people were probably pleasantly surprised
like we were and aren't really thinking about it that
seriously. It's just like that was a that
you know what? That was a delightful time at
the theater. And I think then they're leaving
it. I think we're just a little bit
more harsh on it because I want an awesome like epic science
fiction movie with Ryan Gosling, so.
But it's also trying to be. That's what's confusing about
it. It's trying to be like sciency
and saying the world is going to end in that.
Ryan Gosling is learning how to be like sacrificial.
I guess, yeah. But it's just so basic of like,
like I am brave. No, I'm not brave.
Yeah, I'm going against my will to save Earth and.
Then yeah, felt like a chapter BT.
Like I just, yeah, it was so it was just so like kind of paper
thin in terms of the the thematic points.
And again, like Ryan Gosling makes it sing because he is
acting in a room alone for most of this.
And so that just like speaks to again, like how much time or how
much just audiences want to see him again on screen.
But that's a good question. Like, is it being a parody?
I don't really think so. I actually think it's trying to
be earnest and but like. Meryl Streep's voice pops up at
one point in place of Rocky's voice.
I mean, I think there are elements of of playing with the
science fiction genre, but I think ultimately it is trying to
like when we go the the biggest, like tell the movies when we go
back to Earth and go back to the flashbacks, those are supposed
to be kind of like the serious, like grounding pieces of the
movie and aspects of the dystopian and they just don't
really work that well. You know when Peter Parker asked
Spider man in like Civil War I think is the movie when he's
referencing Empire Strikes Back, it's like if you guys seen that
really old movie Empire Strikes Back or he does it later with
aliens too and one of The Avengers films.
I think End Game or Infinity War.
I think he's end game. But this whole movie reminded me
of like those jokes. Yeah, yeah, if that makes sense.
Like the tone in the comedy reminded me of that postmodern,
self referential kind of existential nightmare where
everything's just IP and nothing original can actually last.
And so studios are like, let's just make something quote UN
quote original but has to be in conversation with everything
that's come before it. And instead of making that sort
of semi serious, they just leaned into the satire.
I don't want to use that word because it's not really satire.
I. Don't think it is.
But poking fun at at itself. That's why I use the words
parody. It almost comes off as camp.
Yeah, there are moments of it for sure.
All right, well, but I. Don't think that's the overall
focus of the movie, but I think that I was thinking that when we
went into it because it was playing with those things so
much. Yeah, I guess the closest comp
is probably The Martian, for people really interested in
trying to be like. I feel like I've seen a movie
like this before. Really.
Scotts. The Martian I've seen a lot and
it is similar to this but a much more serious movie.
So we go like how like you said, life puzzle.
The movie is like cut together like a life puzzle because it's
a mystery who Ryland Grace is or is it last name Grace every.
Time you say that I'm just. Going to say Ryan Gosling.
It's throwing me off Grace. Yeah, is what he calls himself.
The Movie. Which I thought that was going
to be his first name. And I was like, oh, that's cool.
Yeah, I'm sure there's a theme there, but we flashed back to
him as a middle school teacher, and I did have a moment when it
where it started off with him in class and I got excited.
And that never happens. I see classrooms and movies and
television. I immediately am skeptical and
suspicious of the writers. Immediately annoyed, Yeah.
And I was like, oh, this is fun. Ryan Gosling is a teacher
because the only other teacher movie he's done, he was like
self medicating throughout. So that was extremely
depressing. And for a second I was like, are
we going to feel seen here? Teacher representation?
And the more we spend time with him, not just as a teacher but
like as a person or a scientist, the more I was like, this is
pretty bad teacher. Representation.
That was a question I had for you.
Like is this good teacher representation?
Because I think, you know, our our listeners have asked us like
before what I think we in at one point in a mailbag somewhere,
somewhere we talked about like teacher representation.
But was, yeah, was Ray. What's his?
Name Ray Fines was Ray Fine's good teacher.
Was Ryan Gosling. I am good teacher.
Representation here. No, I think if there's anything
that the West culturally values about teachers, and there's not
much, and we're both teachers, by the way, for new listeners,
Kelsey at a college meet up high school.
But if there's anything that the West does value about educators
is there is an understanding that they are sacrificial
because quote, UN quote, who else would do the job right?
They don't do it for the pay. Exactly.
Yeah. So basically, instead of
sacrificial, we can use the word, like empathetic or
understanding or wanting to do something for others or being
brave. And this movie, for whatever
reason, flips that where Grace has to learn to be brave because
he's not brave, but yet is a teacher.
Like, he doesn't really want to save humanity because that would
risk his life. But he also has nothing to live
for on Earth because there's no, like, connection to any of his,
like, humanity. Yeah.
Anywhere they establish. He doesn't have a lot of
friends. He doesn't have a he's a family.
Does he have a dog? Point Sondra Holder says.
He seems like unequipped to explain the politics of the
science that he's teaching in the classroom when a kid asks
him about it. And he's like, you should ask
your parents. And I was like, you don't seem
to have great relationships with your students.
So I was like, what it like, what are we supposed to learn
from this guy? Why don't we?
Why are we supposed to like him outside of Ryan Gosling's, you
know, charisma and movie star energy, which he does have.
But no, I was like, he's a bad a bad teacher representation.
Yeah. I think at first I was, like
pumped about the reveal that he didn't want to go to space,
separating his identity as a teacher.
Because if any other people have had this experience, a lot of
like men tend to ask if you were going to, if you had the
opportunity to go to space. Yeah.
Like it's.
I don't know why that's a question.
What did you do this with me? Was this interstellar?
This is yeah. I think I talked about this on
Interstellar. Which is also.
Free right now from the members on Patreon.
OK yeah, some other space movie I had talked about this, how
this is a common question that straight men tend to to throw
around at a party. And the answer is normally yes
from them like they're waiting to hear your response, but then
their their response is yes, I go.
And so I think it was, I thought it was like fun that it was kind
of playing with the idea of like, no, I wouldn't go like
because there is a like an interesting self sacrificial
that interestingly, first man with that stars Ryan Gosling,
Damien Chazelle's movie explores that I think is also an
interesting take on that question of like, would you go
to space? And yes, and, and who are you
impacting and what is the, what is the sacrifice for?
Men would rather go to space than go to therapy.
Yes, first man. Thank you, Damien Chazelle.
Yes, thank you, Damien Chazelle. And here he's like, no, I don't
want to go. I don't.
I actually don't. And.
Insert Ryan Gosling squeal as he gets chased down by.
But Rd. agents. So so I thought it was like fun
just in the context of my own little universe of of men would
rather go to space and therapy, kind of like a theme that's
running through these. But in the actual context of the
movie of him being a teacher and just deciding like, no, like I
actually don't. I actually don't think I'll make
the sacrifice. Verse Amy Adams as a professor
and researcher and Arrival is risking everything to try to
understand what is going on with this quote UN quote invasion
that's happening on Earth. Well, there's something at the
end of that movie that apparently is like widely
debated between Jeremy Renner and her, kind of like having a
disagreement. That I think would be a very
interesting pod to have some of our friends on who feel very
strongly about that. We'll do a space month on one
day. Those friends are on the
interstellar pod, so go get an appetizer there.
So OK, anyway, but in, in the context of him being a teacher,
yeah, number one, I was like, oh, OK.
Like we're meeting a teacher who we don't often get to see
teachers as like experts. Often times we see like Woody
Harrelson's in 17 again, who are just kind of like in the job
showing like movies, you know, like we get them as like a a
comedic like punching bag often times.
Or they're diluted, just like being like pseudos counsellors
like Paul Rudd and, you know, Wolf Wolf of Wall Street.
Paul Rudd. Perks of Being a Wallflower,
Paul Rudd and Wolf of Wall Street.
It does have the same amount. Of money he has been good in, I
guess, the Kyle Chandler role in the FBI.
You would be great. You would be fun too.
Fun somewhere. Yeah.
But anyway, so I was like. Steve Madden.
He would have been a good Steve Madden, yeah.
Wow, Good call. OK.
But I think that the reason I immediately got excited is
because I was like, oh, teacher as like expert in their field,
You know, like, yes, we learned that he was kind of like
positioned in his field as like a failed academic because he
believed in this theory that other people didn't believe in
and. She was a conspiracy theorist
among among these biologists. But as we get as we get deeper
down the quote UN quote expertise, but regardless, like,
you know, he's like doing math, figuring things out on the
spaceship that we're jumping back to in our real time.
So I was like, oh, OK, this is cool to see.
Like a teacher who is actually, you know, they're showing that
they're smart, right? It's not just like this.
If you can't do you teach? It's like, oh, you're you're
teaching because you feel like the next generation should know
how to do whatever but it. Sort of feels like if you can't
do, you teach because. No, but I think yeah, ultimately
it ended up being we can get off the teacher conversation in a
second, but ultimately it ended up being yeah, like not that.
And, and I think the, the conversation around the like,
what's happening and he's like, I'd rather you just ask your
parents. I was like, oh, cool.
We're going to get some interesting, like thematic
things about like what's going on right now about basically
feeling like fear of losing your job if you say something that is
like you said, like an inconvenient truth or, or just
like anything that is bad actual.
So you have to be like, oh, let your parents tell you.
And so anyway, so I, I thought like we were going into an
interesting direction, but yeah, ultimately I, I just thought he,
it was just like played for for laughs, pathetic, kind of like
Ryan Gosling thing. Whatever.
Last question about it. Yeah, public school or charter
school or private school. I think it was not a public.
School. I agree.
Yeah. And I couldn't tell if it like
the kids just kind of like maybe looked like they have an agent
because they're all little actors, they.
All look like yeah, they were child models.
Yeah, like they were all given a skin care routine at the the age
of like 810. I don't know how old they.
Were and they were all far too nice to each other.
I was like getting creeped out by a class being in a classroom
to every day. And I I teach out to school.
It's 7th grade to 12th grade and I teach 8th grade to 12th grade.
And I was like, these kids are pretty young.
I think they're 7th graders in middle.
School, especially the the younger grades that is.
Not yeah, that is not what a classroom sounds like.
So I was like, these kids, probably.
Are they're probably wealthy? Yeah, Well, I was like, it must
be a charter school because of the way the campus looked.
But then they tried to, like, create a diverse classroom and I
was like, but this is not a public school.
So I was like, I don't, I don't know what's going on here.
Yeah. Yeah.
Not sure. Yeah.
But anyway, so he not great teacher representation.
We also learned he doesn't have friends or family like we said
and no clear attachment to his own humanity.
This becomes. Also, where is he living because
he just gets picked up by Sandra Holler, that's true.
And he lives in the school. Yeah.
So this is a huge problem in the first act because it spends so
long. You we spend so long watching
him, cutting back and forth between the future space grace
and past grace as teacher. And we learn nothing about him.
And then he gets recruited by Sandra Holler, who again, we
said already, but maybe we can explain why Who's slightly
miscast Because she's doing something that feels a little
bit like mysterious, that she's been like secretly stopping
apocalyptic events for like, her whole life.
That's her vibe. And it feels out of the tone of
this movie. She feels like a.
Superhero or something? From a different film and
plugged into this movie they also get like.
Correct me if I'm wrong here. I think they tried to spark a
romantic chemistry between. The two of them, I noticed this
also, which was so strange because it never really, I think
it was supposed to like throw us off because, you know, at the
end she has to like make that, you know, hard decision is what
it's kind of framed as to save Earth.
And ultimately she is kind of unbending, which I said she's
like a superhero. I don't really mean that.
I mean that she like feels like she's in a superhero movie it.
Feels like a Marvel performance. Exactly.
Yeah. And so yes, especially around
the karaoke time, singing What's the hairstyle song?
Sign of the world, sign of the time.
And I was like, oh, when it started and then when she had to
sing, I was like, oh, well, I kind of like this.
That was the best scene. That might have been the best
scene of the movie it. Was definitely.
It was definitely strange. Yeah.
I mean, we had like, obviously the Rocky and Ryan Gosling
scenes were great, but you're so aware all the time that this was
like Ryan Gosling acting alone. Yeah, exactly that.
You know, doesn't have the same effect of like Elliot in ET or
something. Right.
Well, maybe not the best scene in the most human moment in the
movie. Was soccer polar?
Yes, there was a depth there. Never explained why there was a
depth there. Or I think they're trying to
suggest that his character Grace, like saw something in her
and inspired her to open up to her fellow, I don't know, Co
workers and show her humanity at the end of the world.
I don't understand. So Grace goes on to do science
experiments. He does them with Lionel Boyce,
the actor from The Bear. This is a fun part of the movie,
but still as it it kind of out state it's welcome as like what
are we doing here? A little bit like ATV show.
We're doing some science experiments.
We go to Home Depot. I like the Home Depot.
We bowl with some duct tape. I didn't like that part, but I
like the cashing out. Part I like the cashing out.
I liked when they scanned the sunglasses that they were
wearing and then we got some Skittles and Twizzlers in the
mix. Sour Skittles are.
Probably like I've had those in a a minute.
Yeah, yeah. They're like the astrophage.
They're like. Probably they are like the
astrophage, they're killing the sun inside our bodies and then
we get to Act 2, which is basically staying in space
because I think we stopped jumping back and forth really
fast around Act 2 and we stay on the ship.
What do you think about the ship?
There is nothing to like hang onto, you know?
We also I think are probably more picky science fiction
watchers because this is one of our favorite genres.
I love when I have the geography of a ship, even if I don't know
every single piece, you know? Obviously like we think of Alien
with their like mess hall that is centering the the ship in
like the command center. Like, you just felt like even if
you didn't know exactly where you were at all times, there
was, like, a character to it. Yeah.
Like the ship is also kind of a character.
And you feel this in Prometheus, right?
Like, and here it was just kind of like you could have been
anywhere. It didn't feel like there was
any grounding thing of like us being in a certain room.
They had Danny Boyle's Sunshine Room which was pretty cool where
they would like play images in 360 images for Ryan Gosling to
escape to do different parts of Earth.
That really worked for the comedic bits, like when we
continuously keep going back to that.
Well, watching a movie in there was genius.
Having Rocky one through, he was like yeah so Rocky in a Apollo
were like competitors in the 1st 2 movies, then they became
friends in the third movie. It was really funny.
It's like their story. Yeah, well, Speaking of their
story, so Ryan Gosling on his ship that I agree with you.
We don't understand the physical geography of it's really poorly
shot. Greg Frazier is the DP on this
movie. Who is the DP from The Batman
and the first two Dune films. And I was like, what the fuck?
It really made me think Matt Reeves is great, Denis Valdev is
great because I was like, there are a few moments.
In this film also, I mean like, I don't know.
There's a there's a moment where Ryan Gosling's in space.
There's a he's like in a purple, pink, sort of surreal moment or
like a part of space. He's outside that this.
Planet's atmosphere. This whirly green planet.
Yeah, OK. And that was pretty cool in
terms of visuals, but there was like nothing really memorable
about this movie in cinematography.
So when we meet Rocky, we don't meet him initially.
We actually are just flying through space.
It's kind of a Star Trek moment where we see this giant ass
ship. What do you think about that
ship? I thought that ship was cool.
That felt original. Yeah, yeah.
I also thought that at one point, Oh wait, that's something
different with the the predator. I'll, I'll come back to that,
but no OK with rocky ship. I thought it was like really
interesting at when I was watching the movie last night, I
was thinking like that was it reminded me of of other science
fiction imagery, but now I can't think of what it was.
Anyway, it was cool. It was like the the gold, you
know, once you actually get inside it later on, which was
supposed to be the big reveal. It's all string like
Interstellar that Matthew McConaughey goes through to send
messages to Murph. It looks like a bunch of
antennas like connected to one another.
It does look like the Matthew McConaughey thing.
It looks like a bunch of strings inside that you can pull on, but
it also has some sort of like hieroglyphic looking imagery
inside that is pretty I guess. Reminded me of Prometheus or
Alien Covenant which was cool. Are they suggesting that it's an
that it was like an AI ship? Because at one point there was
like a Wally technology thing that slides to another piece of
technology and it looks like they're talking to one another.
I think that was supposed to throw us off because at the
beginning way out when the kind of ancient looking contraption.
What shape is that cylinder? Cylinder sort of whatever it
was, it once it was thrown as like this message to Ryan
Gosling ship. And we have that funny kind of
thing, which is this is like the first time I I kind of, I've got
a grasp of the tone that we were in when it bounces off the ship.
Yeah. And we think it's going to be
possibly like a bomb, but it's just a message.
And then he's like, OK, like, let me go again.
Let me try to get the second message.
That's where I was like, OK, like we're being a little bit
more playful. Or even before that, they play
like tag with their ships. Yeah, right.
Isn't that before? Yes.
Yeah. Which was funny.
Yeah. And and so when we have that
moment, what what Trey's talking about is like there are two
yeah, antenna things that look like they are AI but kind of
have a personality. I guess they're like looking,
they're questioning, yeah, the the character or the Ryan
Gosling ship. And so I think that was supposed
to throw us off because I also thought I was like, oh, is this
a a ship that is from another, I guess planet that is run by AI
And then he's going to get taken back to this place or we're
going to have like a Jodie Foster at the end of not
science, end of thank you contact situation where he like
goes through this like wormhole. I was thinking about.
Memory thing. And that's how we find out.
Yeah. Yeah.
But anyway, I think it was supposed to, yeah, just like,
throw us off. So that way we didn't realize we
were going to meet a rock tarantula.
OK, that's what's what we want to call Rocky.
That's what I'm calling. Him, he's a rock spider with
sort of like at the inside of an ear for a face because Ryan
Gosling says throughout the movie, I can't see your face.
Where's your face? But yeah, when he when Rocky
tries to talk there, it looks like when he opens his, I don't
know what to call it mouth where the face, I guess, quote, UN
quote should be. There is just like the same
amount. There's like a texture that
looks like at the inside of an ear to me.
I don't know. I guess he does kind of look
like cartilage. Yes, yeah, a walking cartilage
tarantula rock. And somehow they made him
adorable because I do really like Rocky.
Do you think that Rocky saved the movie?
Because this is about halfway through the film where we find
Rocky, which is a long movie. So we're like an hour and 20
minutes into the film before he shows up.
As for me, it it saved the entire movie.
I think so too. I was getting because I like.
Gosling. But it was it was getting
repetitive. Yeah, I was getting bored.
And then once we had the kind of tunnel extend from Rocky ship, I
had a little peak of interest. And then once we met Rocky, I
was like what is about to happen?
Like what what is this? I really didn't expect them to
have this like, you know, friendship throughout the whole
movie. I if you had told me that I
wouldn't have believed it could be pulled off.
So I agree that like we've already talked about how people
want to see Ryan Gosling and that's part of the the reason
why the movie is good is his kind of like his charm.
When he first first meets Rocky, he starts like doing the dancing
thing that's fun. And then he's like moving his
hips, you know, that's all fun. But yeah, I think Rocky was like
adorable and I liked it. I think it all kind of worked
even though it shouldn't have of like, you know, the the
recognition of creating a language and like they have like
200 words that they can share going through Meryl Streep's
voice or different voices. Yeah, he's like, she can do
anything. Yeah, that's great.
That got a lot from our theater. But yeah, what do you think it
was about, Rocky? I know exactly what it was about
Rocky the same the same thing that what is it about Project
Hail Mary that seems to resonate well.
It's like a copy and paste of six other molds of previous
content that came before it or like, sorry, like IP that came
before it. So Rocky is a blend of ETA blend
of tars from interstellar, a blend of gizmo, a blend of an
Ewok, A Grogu, A Babu Frick. There are like an iron giant I
guess. Throw one more in there also.
Very much how much Marcel the shell coated.
Marcel the Shell, Wally I I it is.
A. You know, Marcel, the shell
isn't in space. But he counts.
But I guess I stick with the sci-fi part, the sci-fi
characters. It felt like the most mix of ET
Tars from Interstellar and then probably like an Ewok to me.
Or maybe Gizmo too. Or Gremlins in general in terms
of the cuteness. But also like the the, I don't
know, the the frantic nature of them because Rocky is kind of
out of pocket. Like when Rocky goes on to Ryan
Gosling ship, it's really funny because he's like, why is it so
messy? Mess, mess, mess.
I like when he repeats things. There's a couple cute things he
does that do feel unique. So I don't want me to be too
mean because I don't want to be like it's just iterating on
everything came before it. There's a thumbs up, thumbs down
bit that works. It works every time even though
it was used like 30. Times.
It should have been the poster. It should have been Ryan
Gossen's thumb up and there was like an alien thumb down that
should have been. Maybe that's the sequel.
It were every time you you looked at me laughing.
You're like this is. Great.
It's great every single time they and they do it like 37
times and I'm like, wow, this is awesome.
And it shifts into, I think you said at the top of buddy comedy,
right? It finally clicked into a buddy
comedy and it becomes a fun movie in the last act because
now it's not about really saving Earth or what we learn.
Rocky's planet as well is being attacked by these things, but
it's going to become about their friendship and learning each
other's language and working together.
And I understand if somebody's like the theme is working
together with people that you have historically other than
call, quote UN quote, aliens. I do not think that that is like
an actual thoughtful commentary in this movie, but you could
certainly project out on it. Yeah.
So it it works, it works. Rocky works.
Yeah, I like them working together on this task.
I like that Rocky is also like really smart and it and his
ship, you know, at the end makes the kind of like Earth
technology look like child's play kind of, you know.
Yeah, the whole map design of like sending that in the
cylinder was pretty cool where that that little metal map
because rocket can build things really fast.
There were some like unique design.
So to give it some credit that that was pretty cool.
Yeah, but I mean, ultimately I think the all the science
fiction like bullshit that is like being told to us of like
there's a lot the goo that then the astrophage and like there's
a certain metal and then. Predator.
Yeah, the they find a Predator, which I was like, oh, are we
going to go meet like other aliens on this planet just cause
like Predator makes me think of like actual alien predator.
And I had thought because the way that they were talking about
it and there's so much just kind of like being told to us in
these like science fiction terms that are made-up.
I was like, oh, are we going to go to someone who is like trying
their planet is also dying. And so like out of kind of self
preservation, they're going to, they're creating this line
between the sun and wherever. No, that didn't happen.
I don't know if it would have been better if it happened
either. I just like, I think it's just
like an example of like how everything that was being told
to us, I was like, I, I need less of, of this like that.
You can tell me, you know what the goo is doing and that's all
fine. I like that when we learned like
I have to go back and save Rocky.
I can only either make it to Earth or go back.
That's fine to explain to me like why his ship is going to be
infected by this. Because it's quick.
Yeah. But everything else, especially
when we're in the testing stage where we haven't Ryan Gosling
hasn't gone to space yet or like, I guess, you know, he is,
is doing all the tests inside that room in a hazmat suit at
the very beginning with all the government officials who we
don't really know who they are. And he's kind of like, you know,
having them. He's like, get excited.
And they're all like fake, you know, like cheering.
And those are funny moments. But all of that science shit,
like is just like, it's just too much.
It's it overtakes a lot of the fun parts of the movie because
then I'm like, I don't really care about all that.
I'm not sure. I kind of think we should just
get rid of this trope and sci-fi movies at this point because
they're in The Martian. It happens with Donald Glover's
character where he's asked to explain how they're going to go
around a planet or whatever. Do you remember that?
And he gets excited. He jumps up from his bed.
His like room's a mess. This is before Donald Glover was
like really like I am Childish Gambino now, like I'm not going
to fuck around with like this acting thing where I have to
play sort of like a a nerd. Like he kind of left that, but
that's what he was doing around that time.
And really Scott's film and it's sort of works, but it goes on
too long in that movie. And it's one of the more
annoying parts of the film because they're just over
explaining like Galaxy brain sci-fi logic to you.
And then it happens again in Interstellar, but it's
Christopher Nolan directing it. So it's a little bit different.
But when Matthew McConaughey, who is very charismatic in that
role, when he flips the board over and he does like a game
plan, like he's doing a football play to Anne Hathaway and other
guys and explaining, I guess those are fine.
To me though like that, but those are the worst.
Parts of those movies while still working, if that makes
sense. I do think you're right.
You're on to something here. Just certainly doesn't work in
Project Hail Mary. sci-fi films. Hail Mary.
Agreed. I think, yeah, agreed.
But I think they just get rid of that in general.
There's also a debrief in Sunshine at the beginning of the
movie, what's happening, and it goes on too long.
So I think it's just a part of maybe the plot mechanics of
these movies. You can't get around it, but
maybe it's actually that it's dead, but I don't know.
So Gosling goes, how do we say this?
They they take the predator stuff, they bring it back.
They want to bring it to their planets and to stop this
bacteria from eating the sun, right.
They're. Going to save the world.
Both of them are going to save their worlds, right?
Gosling realizes that he wants to go back and save Rocky
because it's more important to save this new friendship that he
has because he actually has nothing else to live for on
Earth, and he and it. Was beautiful when Rocky, you
know, said, I'll give you. It was very nice, my fuel to get
back. And we had that whole like Ryan
Gosling crying. And he was like, I thought you
said you were like brave. And he was like, that's just
like something you say, you know, like that all really
works. So then that made it more
emotional when he decides to go back to save Rocky.
Right. I also like how the Grace
character like plays it where he tries to get all mopey and goes
into the dark and you just see a silhouette and Rocky's like I
guess this is where he wants me to say I will give you some of
my whatever I'm giving you. You've been missing out on six
years with his. His.
Rock partner Adrian who grace. They've been together for 180
something years and he's like, not long enough.
I was like, aw, Rocky, they have monogamy on your on your in your
place. So Gosling sends the parasite
stuff or whatever, the predator stuff to Earth and beetles
labeled cartridges. I'm only identifying this
because there's a lot of needle drops in this movie that made no
sense to me. And there's a Beatles needle
drop when he sends them out and he names them like I don't.
Even remember was it Lucy and this guy with diamonds?
Like what was. Who who cares, is the point.
We why would we? We don't know anything about
this character. And then when it happened, I was
like, OK, he likes The Beatles. Like, I don't understand.
Like we know nothing about him. It wasn't like a motif.
It would be cool. If he like taught because he
taught Rocky about Rocky Balboa, but it would be cool if he,
like, taught him about The Beatles.
Yeah, I guess. I guess maybe.
That did happen, and it was deleted.
Yeah. It's already so long.
And there's, like, a lot of fake endings and in this movie,
because I think we had a fake ending right before that.
And then Gosling goes back to save Rocky.
It's sort of a rug pool. He's alive still.
That happens twice in the film because Gosling gets hurt and
Rocky saves him. We think Rocky dies.
I got emotional. Yeah.
Yeah, You too. Yeah, I was like, Oh my God,
he's going to sacrifice. Himself to save Ryan Gosling,
right? They both sell it.
Yeah, and then Ryan Gosling, you know, like the watching him
sleep thing was cute. The hug thing was cute.
Of like when do you know it's over?
The I loved also when Rocky was like question, statement, you
know, that all worked for me. Yeah, weird movie, weird movie.
There's other things to say that worked probably, but that's, I
think that's where we can end it because there's an epilogue
where. Well, let's talk about the
epilogue, because that worked for me.
Yeah, what? What works about it for you?
Well, he apparently it saved Earth, right?
He sent back the doles Proto whatever they.
Were you see an older Sandra Holder?
Yes. Who is now living on like a
frozen tundra? Yeah.
And she like kind of smiles and they they start, you know, the
process of saving Earth. And he is back on Rocky's planet
in this sort of like world that was made for him in a a beach
and. He's like a celebrity there.
He's rocks. Yeah.
And I I didn't realize that he you kind of said said that when
we open it up, you're like, he's going to be a celebrity there.
And I was like, is that is that what he's doing?
Like he woke up on the side of the beach kind of like a Luke
like coded thing and then is on the beach talking to Rocky and
Rocky's like, we're ready to, you know, repair your ship to go
back and and Ryan's like, I don't know if I want to.
And then he teaches a class. He's like, what's the speed of
light? And we pan to all these Little
Rock children going crazy, which did work.
It was cute but. That was the hardest I laughed
out loud in the theater, I think.
Yeah. But ultimately, like just said,
I didn't really, I don't know. I don't really care about the
movie. After I ended I was like just
surprised that I had it as good a time as I did.
Yeah, yeah, I guess we both have just got.
I think most people I thought got a little bit cynical to the
like, we created this creature, so you'll buy the plushie
because it does feel like what it what they're doing, right?
Anyways, that was the extra credits of Project Hail Mary.
We haven't actually given extra credits to the film.
I'm going to give it to Ryan Gosling as a movie star because
even though more white men in Hollywood don't need to be like,
you know, admired for continuing to be movie stars, It is pretty
impressive that he is now at like decade 3 of being 1.
You could argue, and this isn't even in his like top 15
performances is seen a movie that has literally like nothing
to say. You know, it's a sci-fi film
probably, but a performance that I, I will remember because of
how much he holds the movie together somehow because he's
acting to a tennis ball or like a, you know, puppet of.
Rocky yeah. I mean, I don't want to give it
to the same thing, but I was the whole time thinking, I can't
believe he's in a room alone right now.
And I'm just like enjoying watching him.
I guess the the writing for Rocky is what I'll give extra
credit to and maybe the design of Rocky, creating him as like a
cute character. I think that while we were
talking about all these, like, different sci-fi characters that
he is, you know, inspired by to be cute.
I think that if you liked this movie, I would check out Marcel
the Shell with shoes on if you have it all.
Really. Yeah.
Because it's like a, a more I, I kind of deepened or more
interesting thing that it's doing Interesting.
You don't think so? No, I I like that.
It's an interesting recommendation.
I like the idea of us recommending movies.
That's like a new thing. End of the movie.
If you like this, watch this. I recommend Interstellar
tonight. Throw it on.
In fact, maybe just go see that again.
There was a really fun moment where it was like, I think it
was really towards the beginning where Ryan Gosling walks into
the room where you can send the messages back to Earth.
And it's like if you want to record this, you know, And he's
like, no, you know, that was like a direct interstellar, you
know, thing of the Matthew McConaughey crying sequence.
That always gets me. Yeah.
There's. A lot of the close encounters
that I can't do it, yeah, but that was.
There was, yeah. The close encounters was funny.
Was your day coming out? Like two months.
I was like, oh wow. I was like both thinking this is
like Elliot has grown up and gone to meet another ET slash
like the dad from close encounters like actually going
to space like. I you know what?
Extra credit to sweaters. Sure.
Yeah. Good.
Ryan Gosling sweaters in this movie.
I don't know where. Teacher salary.
He's getting those sweaters. But again, could be a a charter
private. School.
Yeah, I didn't always love the print on the sweaters, but I
liked the thickness of the sweaters themselves.
I thought they were weird and it gave him a character.
That's true. What do you think about the
glasses thing he was doing? Ryan Gosling was trying his best
to be like this. Ryland Grace guy does not have
any characterization. I'm just going to wear my
glasses like nobody else has ever worn their glasses.
How did he not? He wore them like this.
Oh, they're like sideways. Oh, yeah, He put them on his
head. Oh my God.
Nobody's ever seen anybody do this.
Nobody can see me. Right now, let me just explain
because I didn't know what was Trey was talking about, but it's
one one glass that's. Insane.
If Stan, what do you call it an ear stem on on his ear and the
other one is like on his chin. You're right it.
Was like upper neck. Yeah, Yeah.
And I was like, is he doing that because he wants us to see his
face and that's what we've paid to come see?
Or is he doing that because there's no characterization?
Or is it both? I I really don't know.
So there's some choices being made.
Yeah. OK.
All right. That was the extra credits of
Project Hail Mary. What other movies are coming out
next? We haven't seen Hoppers yet,
which apparently is just the greatest Pixar movie in a long
time. So we're going to see that soon.
We're seeing Don't, Don't Wait, No Ready or Not 2.
Here I come. Here I come.
Which, by the way. Yeah, tell him.
I when this movie came out, wait was that when the first word or
not came out? I tweeted if the sequel isn't
here I come then we riot. OK, I don't know where that
tweets gone now, but I have been talking to Kelsey about you
haven't. Stamped on letterboxed.
That's true. It is on Letterboxed.
Yeah. And I'm only saying that because
we love Already or not, we love that first movie.
We might talk about on Patreon soon, but excited to see the
second one. The reviews are not good, which
is a bummer. That sucks.
I wasn't expecting. I'm not going in with high
expectations. Yeah.
I I'm fine with a an OK horror movie.
You know, it will suffer. I think I think people probably
do not talk about and and spoil it for an extra credit for the
first one, the the OC Seth of it all in Adam Brody.
I think that really helps the first movie a lot because a lot
of people have a relationship to him and now you to do with The
OC and now you also understand in La La Land when Emma Stone
says it's dangerous Minds meets The OC.
I understand. It now you understand because
you watched some of. I love the OC.
I have a lot to say about the random OC guy who's like a
psychopath who comes up in the pit.
Lot to say there. I literally said try.
You should make a TikTok about Oliver with Marissa in the hotel
room because the whole time we were watching the pit, we were
like, who is this? Who is this?
And then I forget which one of us like found it and showed each
other on the phone. But I was like, you have to make
a tick. Talk about this and you're.
Killing his wife. That's why they're in there.
That's why they're in the hospital.
But I was, you're like, no one's going to know.
No one's going to know. I was like, everyone's going to
know. People are going to care.
And anyway, at least it showed up on my algorithm, so.
Are you got just over on Patreon?
I don't know what we'll come back for on the main feed.
Maybe an update on the pic because it ends next month I'm
very excited for. It which I will basically just
talk, talk about Oliver again there.
Very excited for that and Lee Cronin's The Mummy, which is a a
remake because the rights became public.
I think. I forget how that works because
there's another Mummy movie coming out with Rachel Vice and
Brendan Fraser next year apparently, which is very
exciting for us because we're big Mummy fans.
So we'll probably be covering that movie next on the May feed.
Not sure, but stay tuned. Peace out.
Bye Statement statement.