1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:11,120 5678 Rockstep Hi, my name is Lou and my pronouns are they them? 2 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,920 And my name is Kate, and my pronouns are also they them. 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,120 Just two they them talking about dance. 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,200 Dance and stuff. Amazing. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,760 What are we talking about today, Kate? 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,280 We are talking about some dance adjacent stuff, which is that we 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,000 are boycotting Spotify. Yeah, Spotify is like a really 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,840 big one for a lot of dance teachers specifically. 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:41,040 So many of us use Spotify to play music during our classes, 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,880 so I haven't even looked at a Starbucks cup in two years, 11 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,400 right? Not to pat myself on the back. 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,200 I live in, you know, the Pacific Northwest, where there's plenty 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:57,560 of places to get amazing coffee. But, you know, I enjoy spending 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,160 my dollars along with what I align with. 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,519 And when Spotify started playing ice ads and doing a bunch of 16 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:08,840 other garbage stuff, I was like, Oh no, this one's going to be 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,120 really hard for me. Yeah, yeah, I know. 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,160 I feel like Starbucks is really hard for some. 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,680 That one was so easy for me. But this one is definitely 20 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,200 burning a little, a little more. The Sting is there as a dance 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,640 teacher and as someone who just is like a music head, Like 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,840 Spotify has been so amazing. It's like been magic. 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,880 Like I remember when it first came out and like, we had 24 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,560 Pandora before, but then like Pandora at the time didn't do 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,240 full records. And then you could like have a 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,000 full album of just like just about anybody. 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,080 But there's like this culmination right now of really 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,000 shitty facts about what's going on with Spotify. 29 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:54,760 It's the ice ads. It's the like AI involvement in 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,760 warfare. It's the artist like dollars 31 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,320 that are just like not getting to artists, you know? 32 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,800 That's the thing too about Spotify is that my musician 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,000 friends have been saying boycott it for a really long time. 34 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,199 So long, I feel like such an asshole. 35 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,520 I know this is 1 where I'm just like oh that was that was one 36 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,280 that really got me and I'm having trouble putting it down 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,560 and I really wish I had been able to put this down long ago 38 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,760 and now's the time. Yes, I just want to like do a 39 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,960 quick anecdote and like, yeah, it's it's very quick. 40 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,440 But I just went to see Jens Lachman, this like early 2000s 41 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,800 artist and he's doing this kind of like modified rock opera 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,760 right now. It's really not a rock opera, 43 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,520 but it's paired with a book that someone wrote. 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,440 And so the author comes and like reads in between songs and it's 45 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,240 all about being this person that's a wedding singer. 46 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,200 And it's actually a true story about this early 2000s artist 47 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:57,160 who started doing weddings to support himself because Spotify 48 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,880 came along and and stopped people from buying his records. 49 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,520 Wow. So he literally started, it was 50 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,040 like started as a joke, like yeah, sure, I'll I'll play your 51 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,880 wedding. But in the end it like actually 52 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:13,640 supported him through the last like 15 years and like this tour 53 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:16,200 now. So like, it's still like he's so 54 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,080 famous, but he's not making any money. 55 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,080 Yeah, and. Then so like, imagine the little 56 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,280 people. Yeah, absolutely. 57 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,920 And how much Spotify has disrupted the music industry and 58 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:29,840 straight up just taking money out of musicians pockets. 59 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,080 And as dancers, we always like so important that we honor 60 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,680 musicians. They're the foundation that we 61 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,800 literally dance upon. Yes, exactly. 62 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,160 So it's like, it's definitely late, but it's not too late. 63 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,760 And it's and we're here and it's. 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,880 Yeah. So I feel like the thing with 65 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,800 dance teachers is like, it's so valuable to have it readily, 66 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:58,280 like accessible, but the idea that you go into a space and 67 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,960 it's not like there's no record player, there's no CD player at 68 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,920 studios or like event spaces anymore. 69 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,440 Like we need to find alternatives. 70 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,360 Yeah, it's like it's you go into a dance studio and you connect 71 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,320 your phone and you have a playlist and that's how the 72 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,840 class happens. So it's really important that if 73 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,680 we're going to like, remove the service from our life that we 74 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,240 like, replace it with something that's going to be able to serve 75 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,360 us and let us, you know, share this thing we do with people. 76 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,840 Exactly. So like I definitely don't have 77 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:31,560 all the answers, 'cause I, we, so we just, we cancelled I don't 78 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,440 know what like a week ago. Yeah, we cancelled our personal 79 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,280 subscription 'cause we were doing it as a, we had like a 80 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:40,560 family plan that was for our business. 81 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,240 And you know, both you and I got our Spotify off of that and I 82 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,120 think that it's technically paid through the last the through the 83 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,640 end of the month because my ads have not started to happen. 84 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Oh, they have for me. Oh, have they for you? 85 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,240 My ads are fully on now. Oh, oh, no. 86 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,560 I wonder what's going on with me. 87 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,680 I should make sure I'm not personally paying for it or 88 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,080 something. Yeah. 89 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,160 Go and figure out what those dollars are if they're going to 90 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,080 them. Have you heard it? 91 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,080 I mean, one of the main reasons the boycott's happening is 92 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:10,800 because they've started playing ICE ads. 93 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:17,400 Have you heard any ads for ICE? Yet no, no ice ads but like I 94 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:22,200 used to not pay for Spotify and the intensity and the frequency 95 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,320 and the length of the ads is so much longer than it used to be. 96 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,400 It's like watching a whole like 5 minute commercial that's like 97 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,800 really involved and it pops up on the screen too. 98 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,360 It doesn't. It's not just audio. 99 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,960 Yeah, it's like a video too. It's so wild. 100 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:40,440 Dang, that's so much. Yeah. 101 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,560 And like, have you had that come up during one of your classes? 102 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,200 Yeah, it happened on Monday night and it was actually OK. 103 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,800 This is less weird than than ice, I guess, but still pretty 104 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,920 weird. It was an ad for Gwen Stefani's 105 00:05:54,920 --> 00:06:00,920 Like Christian Prayer app came on. 106 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,720 Quin Stefani has a question. Prayer app? 107 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,880 I didn't even know that. That's a whole nother topic, 108 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,400 look into it OK? Damn. 109 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,880 She's definitely gotten pretty pretty weird, but maybe she 110 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,600 always has been. Pretty weird but like I didn't 111 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,440 realize it got that weird. Check that out. 112 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,840 That's another. We'll talk about that later. 113 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,560 So yeah, like I don't have the answers but right now I'm using 114 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,520 YouTube for the most part. Yeah, yeah, I think YouTube is 115 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,920 going to be where I end up going as well. 116 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,120 Are you paying for YouTube? Yeah, I pay for, I've paid for 117 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,000 YouTube for a long time. Oh, have you OK? 118 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,080 That's what I've been also trying to step away from my 119 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,040 crippling TikTok addiction and I've been watching more longer 120 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,400 form content on YouTube, but the ads are really bad. 121 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,760 So it's, yeah, think that that isn't easy to set up playlists 122 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,080 and stuff like that. Yeah, it's pretty easy to set up 123 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,200 playlists. There's already like a ton of 124 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,600 playlists on there that are really good as well that you can 125 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,680 just find. But yeah, it's pretty easy. 126 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:13,520 I don't actually use it for long like playlists per SE as much as 127 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,120 I do just like sort of cherry picking a song for a class. 128 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,840 Yeah, OK, cool. Yeah. 129 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,960 So there's more to learn there. I've used Spotify a lot more for 130 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,560 playlists, but my sister also really highly recommends Kubos. 131 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,000 She also quit and they pay artists a lot more in terms of 132 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,080 royalties and it is more expensive, but at least they're 133 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,960 equitable and ethical. Have you gone on that one at 134 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,000 all? Have you looked at it? 135 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,000 No, I've just kind of done some research because there's also 136 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,480 title TIDAL, which has been around a little bit longer and 137 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,400 they're similarly known for having pretty good quality of 138 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,960 music, but also good royalties for artists and aren't at least 139 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,520 that we're aware of publicly now. 140 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,880 They're not very politically problematic. 141 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:06,240 Yeah, One that I really want to start using more is Band Camp. 142 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,920 That has always been the one that my artist friends are 143 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,160 always really promoting. And like Band Camp Fridays are 144 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,520 such a great day to be buying music from people. 145 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,080 And that actually lets you like purchase the album from the 146 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,720 artist and then puts it into a digital platform for you. 147 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,360 So that's definitely something that I want to be utilizing 148 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,800 more. But I'm like, I'm going to 149 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,400 Google this right now is like Duke Ellington on Band Camp. 150 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,840 Like that's important to me. That's a good question. 151 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,520 I don't know I I use band camp mostly for like supporting 152 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,000 friends. OK, I just did a quick Google 153 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,159 and there are some There's some Duke Ellington on band camp. 154 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,880 I wonder who you're buying that from? 155 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,560 The label I who? Am I by it? 156 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,320 He's listed as an artist on its Storyville Records. 157 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,440 OK, so let's be going to the label. 158 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,840 Yeah, you're. Still buying it from the people 159 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,520 that have been selling Count Basie for a really long time. 160 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,920 They're just wow. They are just on band camp, so 161 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,200 that's pretty cool. So more than anything, this is 162 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,000 generating some excitement about like learning something new 163 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,480 'cause there's also just straight up going to record 164 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,800 stores too. Yes, absolutely. 165 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,040 I. Don't know if you guys have CD 166 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:23,160 players anymore but that exists as well. 167 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:28,120 Yeah, just go back. Like it's amazing how so much of 168 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,560 this new innovation has actually been like they're making the 169 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:35,720 world so much more convenient and making everything so much 170 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,240 more accessible. And they're also like, they're 171 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,800 these companies that are creating a middle man that just 172 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,560 steals the money from the people that are actually creating 173 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:47,120 things. And going back to like where you 174 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,280 actually buy the physical thing from the actual person kind of 175 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,360 takes that middle man out of it. Yeah. 176 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,000 And even, like the small business of like a local record 177 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,000 store, like they are a middle man in a way, but they're also a 178 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,520 small business that supplies us with, or like back in the day, 179 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,240 it supplied us with music. Yeah. 180 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,120 And it also supplied like a community experience. 181 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,160 Whereas when you listen to music on Spotify, you don't have to 182 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,280 see another person. Yeah. 183 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,200 Yes. So it like really diminishes 184 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,120 human contact by like 4 or five folds. 185 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,080 Yes, that's so true. And one of my best way, favorite 186 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,640 ways to buy CDs is directly from musicians that I like, love to 187 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,040 dance and just being like I need to own their album. 188 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,840 And one of the things is that like I don't have a lot of CD 189 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,520 players around. I used to have my beloved Lubaru 190 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,600 the my Subaru Outback that I recently got rid of, but it had 191 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,080 had ACD player in it. So I just had all of my trad 192 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,120 jazz CS from all my favorite New Orleans musicians And that was 193 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,800 like all that got played in my car because those are the C ZS I 194 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,600 had. And now I don't have a single CD 195 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,560 player in my life and I wish there was. 196 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:04,640 Maybe I'll bring in like some boom box from Goodwill too. 197 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,760 Or. Yeah, like, catch us like 198 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,200 heading to dance class with like a boom box on our shoulder and 199 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,760 my shoulder. If I can hook it up to the PA or 200 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,080 something like that and be like, all right, y'all were listening 201 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,480 to this. It is kind of exciting to 202 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,760 imagine like going back and, and, and changing something. 203 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,320 I mean, I think even 10 years ago, we were so excited about 204 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,840 the technology that was happening, and now it's just 205 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,400 like people want to throw their phones off a Cliff, you know? 206 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,040 Right. Because it's just hasn't been 207 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,360 and it's been extremely convenient, but has it actually 208 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,600 served our humanity? And now we miss that kind of 209 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,040 always seems to happen where we make all this technological 210 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,320 advancement and then we miss the humanity and we try to take a 211 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,400 step back. Right, right. 212 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,120 Well, I, I would be really curious to hear what people 213 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,440 think of different ways to to consume music and buy music that 214 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:06,040 doesn't step on the backs of other people, musicians and, you 215 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,040 know, people that are deeply affected by all this shit going 216 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,000 on in this country. I'm at the hands of ice and so 217 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,160 forth. So I mean, not to be super 218 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,800 holier than thou about it, but it is, it does feel good. 219 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,200 It feels good to make a decision. 220 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,480 It does feel good. It does feel good to and to be 221 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,880 able to join something like this and feel like you're a part of 222 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,840 something that's making a difference instead of just being 223 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:35,600 complicit and like genocide happening with the your dollars 224 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,000 and stuff like you can. Like we don't have a lot of 225 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,920 agency to choose living in America, but we have some agency 226 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,720 to choose. And it's like our responsibility 227 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,640 to use that agency wherever we can. 228 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,640 Yeah, and it's like a whole movement. 229 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,720 And I think a big part of the movement actually started here 230 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:51,680 in Seattle, right, Lou? Oh. 231 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,560 Yeah, there's this article on NPR that's talking about all of 232 00:12:56,560 --> 00:13:00,640 these local musicians that have created a pretty big boycott of 233 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Spotify, and they're working really hard to get their music 234 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,200 removed from the platform, which I, from what I hear, can be 235 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,360 pretty. Hard right? 236 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,440 I've heard that too. Yeah, there's a bunch of local 237 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,280 artists apparently. I haven't looked into it much 238 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,560 but apparently in Basque Spain there's also a whole nother 239 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:23,640 movement happening so hopefully it just continues to grow. 240 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,920 I love that. I love that it's Seattle and 241 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,160 Spain musicians, and I'm sure a bunch of other ones, but those 242 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,400 are the ones that have articles that we found about them, which 243 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,040 is wonderful. Yeah. 244 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,080 OK, so we cancelled Spotify and we'll share the screenshots of 245 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,680 it. We gave them a nice little 246 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:43,080 message when we filled out the little survey. 247 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:48,920 And then when when you're done filling out the survey, it gives 248 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,680 you this really weird playlist that felt like a little passive 249 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:54,480 aggressive. I was little like this seems a 250 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,200 little too tongue in cheek when a lot of people are like 251 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,240 cancelling the service from for some really serious reasons. 252 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,720 Yeah, it like takes the like when you unsubscribe from an 253 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,840 e-mail. It takes the like, we're sorry 254 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,000 to see you go to a whole new level. 255 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,000 Yeah, it made this like goodbye for now playlist where the 256 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,520 photos like a really sad looking pug that is probably AI 257 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:20,760 generated a. 100%. And then it's like one of those 258 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:27,120 things where the begin like each song word like makes a sentence. 259 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,040 It says if you leave us now, you'll take away the biggest 260 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,920 part of us. Where like the first song is if 261 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,440 by Janet Jackson and then on and on to like create that whole 262 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,560 like passive aggressive message. It's. 263 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,160 Very strange. So that was like, all right, 264 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,080 goodbye Spotify. I'm I'm ready to say goodbye to 265 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,600 you after that. That was a perfect little send 266 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:49,760 off Thank you. Exactly. 267 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,160 I know I was like that. Just like seals the deal for me. 268 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,840 I wonder if people saw that and we're like, you know what? 269 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,280 This is too heartbreaking. Never mind. 270 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,480 They love me too much. Like who did this work on? 271 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,280 Yeah, OK. But no judgement. 272 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,960 Like if it worked, if the sad pug worked, there you go. 273 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,240 We're going. To share these photos somehow. 274 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,880 Yeah. And we'll, we'll put it 275 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,400 somewhere for people can, can, can see this. 276 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:19,600 Yes. Yeah, well, Spotify, it's been 277 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,040 real. I mean, obviously we still we 278 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,040 can post our podcast on Spotify. Yeah, we're still full 279 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,640 transparency. Yes, we are still posting 280 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,840 through the Spotify for Creators platform, which is an RSS feed 281 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,760 that pushes us out to a bunch of different platforms. 282 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,520 We don't pay for it, we don't support ads through it. 283 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:48,520 So for now, we are keeping that that service until that is more 284 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,480 specifically boycotted for until we are able to switch to a 285 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,200 platform that is not involved with Spotify. 286 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,200 That is where we are at right now for that. 287 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,360 Yeah, I I see a future where we're not involved with Spotify 288 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:06,400 at all, but for right now we are in a non financial way still 289 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,680 tied up with them. And with all of this, I hope 290 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,000 that if you are listening to this on Spotify, that this is 291 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,720 close to one of the last things you listen to on Spotify and 292 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,360 that you like. I go searching for a new 293 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,320 podcasting app because I also need that. 294 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,040 By the way, I've heard the Pocket Casts is really good. 295 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,320 That's. Pocket casts is good, Pocket 296 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,360 cast is good I think. Like obviously don't go to 297 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,040 Amazon. Right. 298 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,560 That's another one that's not great to you, Boo. 299 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:42,080 I don't know. For me, the jury's out on Apple 300 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,480 Cat. Apple, What is it? 301 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,240 Apple Podcasts. Apple Podcasts, so I don't know, 302 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,880 but Pocket Cast is good and it has all of the same podcast as 303 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:57,960 Spotify or Amazon or whatever. So give them a few bucks yeah. 304 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,600 We hope to see you at our next podcast listening and. 305 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,000 Whatever platform you are on. Right, whatever platform you're 306 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,040 on. But I think a good place to 307 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,280 start is to just stop giving them money, you know? 308 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,000 Yeah, absolutely. That's where we're at. 309 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,359 So, well, should we call it a day I. 310 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,560 Think that we should. I think it's time to bring it 311 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,640 home. Let's bring it on home. 312 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,920 Well, please do leave us a review on whatever podcast 313 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,280 platform you are listening to. That really helps us get the 314 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,880 word out about our podcast. And then you can send all love 315 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,000 letters, suggestions and feedback and go to 316 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,360 dgenderdance@gmail.com. We definitely love to hear from 317 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:38,760 you. Totally, and as usual, thanks 318 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,400 for tuning in. And that's it for us today. 319 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,800 Thank you so much. Goodbye. 320 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:43,600 Bye.