1 00:00:38,430 --> 00:00:40,710 Full Wiseman, thank you for joining me in the Dringers. 2 00:00:41,230 --> 00:00:43,150 Good to be here, Jen. Feels like a long time coming. 3 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,560 Take me to the background you and of course the creation of 4 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:53,080 Oracle Forms. So prior to 2020, I was working 5 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,200 as a freelance camera operator, videographer, editor, you know, 6 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,080 because I did some work for production companies and in 7 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,560 commercial space events and, you know, just nothing remotely 8 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,480 controversial. That was just how I earned 9 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:06,960 living. And it wasn't super glamorous, 10 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:10,040 but I enjoyed it. You know, I was able to keep the 11 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,520 lights on and do something I enjoyed. 12 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,720 And then I would say I had a network of freelancers that I 13 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,560 would use to crew up events and things. 14 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,880 And a good friend of mine is a guy called Liam Turner. 15 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,240 And when COVID kicked off, I mean, Liam kind of saw it 16 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,040 straight away. I mean, I'm ashamed to admit 17 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,760 like took me a couple of weeks to sort of do some sense making 18 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,200 and think this whatever this is, we're not being told the truth 19 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,920 of it. And the more that you dug, the 20 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,560 more layers you unpeeled. It's like right, this we're 21 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,880 really not getting told the truth. 22 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,480 Something, something quite sinister appears to be 23 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,600 happening. So the first half of 2020, we, 24 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,960 we sort out dissident voices, people that you, you know, were 25 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,760 sort of resonating with us. And I felt like I was getting a 26 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,360 closer version of the truth from. 27 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,640 And also I, I noticed online that there was like a growing 28 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,720 sort of resistance to this nonsense. 29 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,639 It wasn't big, but there were, you know, people that were 30 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,640 taking to the streets and, and breaking lockdowns and 31 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:14,640 challenging the coronavirus act in the UK. 32 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:17,720 And so I sort of had my finger on the pulse of all right, there 33 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,480 are the people that think like this. 34 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,040 And to the point that by around September of 2020, I felt 35 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,520 compelled to go to one of the demonstrations in London. 36 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,400 And, and I've been largely politically apathetic prior to 37 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,840 all of this. You know, I wasn't a political 38 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,880 person, but this felt important and it felt like, right, if 39 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,720 you're not going to pay attention to what's happening 40 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,360 now, then when are you going to pay attention? 41 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,560 So we went to a demonstration and we thought, all right, well 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,480 if we're going to go, then we may as well go and shoot it. 43 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,040 So never been to a protest in my life. 44 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,720 Really naively rocked up with myself, Liam, and another camera 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,360 operator. Like we were filming a 46 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,280 conference like 5 cameras, you know, like, and people were 47 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,560 looking at us like who are you guys? 48 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:03,760 You know, like, who are you working for and filmed that? 49 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,680 And as it happens, just by chance, the the organiser with 50 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,240 that demonstration is an activist in the UK called Fiona 51 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,160 Hein. And she ended up organising a 52 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,360 lot of the big marches that happened in the coming months 53 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,360 and years. But she was going to Berlin in a 54 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,640 couple of weeks from that point to do to record like a press 55 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:23,440 conference with this group called the World Doctors 56 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,640 Alliance, which was, you know, the sort of consortium of 57 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:28,080 doctors and lawyers that had got together to speak out against 58 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,520 all of this stuff. So just by virtue of going to 59 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,040 that one protest, they saw our footage and they were like, OK, 60 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,080 you guys need to come with us and record this press 61 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,880 conference. So we kind of fell in and and 62 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,920 into this large network of COVID dissidents and sort of made 63 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,480 ourselves useful, I guess. And what we were putting out 64 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,760 could have fallen on deaf ears. But as it happens, it seems to 65 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,080 have resonated with a lot of people. 66 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,520 And there was no sort of prior plan to what we were doing. 67 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,880 One thing just truly led to another in quite a serendipitous 68 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,960 way. So that one thing just begat 69 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,040 another, really. And here we are. 70 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,600 And sorry, I had my micro on mute and you have just released 71 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,480 the agenda. Yep. 72 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,440 Yeah. So that was effectively, it 73 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,200 sounds crazy when I say it, but it was effectively the best part 74 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,000 of two years of work. Now that's not constant work. 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,640 Obviously I'm structuring that around actual paid work and, you 76 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,800 know, family time and actually living a life. 77 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,800 So any spare time that I had. So it was myself and Mark 78 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,560 Sharman, the producer of the film, just not television as he 79 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,640 remembers it by any stretch, putting it together and it 80 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,120 started, Mark went to, you know, in the UK. 81 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,360 I'm sure you may have similar where you are, but there are 82 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,240 sort of local meet meet ups quite often with presentations 83 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,120 and just kind of networking events for like minded people in 84 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,600 our space. And Mark saw a presentation by a 85 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,680 lady called Sandy Adams in 2023 that sort of resonated with him. 86 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,880 And I was around that time, I was, I was reading a lot of 87 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:16,040 Patrick Wood's work and Mark and I had done a film in 2022 called 88 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,200 Safe and Effective a Second Opinion, which is the first time 89 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,920 that we'd worked together. And that was kind of marks 90 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,960 influence on our work, like trying to do a current affairs 91 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,440 TV documentary sort of take on the vaccine, so called vaccine 92 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:36,000 harms from the the jabs. And so we I think that it made a 93 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,680 lot of noise. I mean, it got it got near the 94 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,000 million views on YouTube. They got mentioned in Parliament 95 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,640 in the UK and then it got pulled down as soon as it basically got 96 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,080 got that far. But it's still available in like 97 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,800 lots of places if you know where to look, as is a lot of our 98 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,400 work. You know, I, I really need to go 99 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,880 out of my way and back catalogue stuff that we've made over the 100 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,400 years because I don't think it actually exists in one place. 101 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,120 I mean, we've got accounts on Odyssey and Rumble and places, 102 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:08,120 but I think people like yourself that knew, knew about us quite 103 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,800 early on, probably seen a lot of the older stuff, but I, I 104 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,840 definitely need to go and catalogue it, but I digress. 105 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:17,880 So yeah, the agenda just sort of grew from this idea of 106 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,720 essentially turning Sandy's presentation into like the 107 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,440 cinematic equivalent of a PowerPoint presentation to then 108 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,560 just growing in terms of scale and ambition. 109 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,840 And, and a couple of months later, I saw a presentation by 110 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:37,600 Aman Jabi at a similar event where he sort of dialled in 111 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,560 remotely and gave a presentation on, you know, digital prisoner 112 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,280 and on all of his areas of expertise. 113 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,560 And just kind of blew my mind because that was my first 114 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,640 exposure to Ananjabi. And man, there's, there's 115 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,520 something here. I don't know what it looks like. 116 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,400 It's like building a million piece jigsaw without a box, But 117 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,760 there's something some way we must be able to pull together 118 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,320 all of these disparate pieces and and put it in a, you know, 119 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,040 like, so somebody like yourself, you know, you're clearly aware 120 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,120 of a lot of big picture of what's happening it. 121 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,960 There's probably not a lot of new information for you in the 122 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,200 agenda, but the goal was to present it in a way that was 123 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,160 like accessible to people who might not have come across this 124 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,400 information before and in one place. 125 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,320 So there's, you know, there's lots of facets to what's 126 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,000 happening around the world, but people don't necessarily 127 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,920 understand where it, where it leads and where it's sort of 128 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,120 where it's sourced from. And it's, you know, you go high 129 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,360 enough up and it appears to all be coming from same place or 130 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,680 certainly the same ideology. Nick Hudson would, for example, 131 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,400 was just by chance. I mean, I, I wanted to speak to 132 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,480 him. Nick's somebody I know. 133 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,400 He's a regular on your show and he's a good friend. 134 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,480 Of mine. Yeah. 135 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,040 Well, he and I obviously didn't know each other prior to this, 136 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,680 but like we maintained contact throughout. 137 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,760 I I, my first exposure to him was I saw the presentation he 138 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:01,040 did in like March 21, I think. And that again, was like a huge 139 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,680 thing for me. I remember saying to Nick when I 140 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,840 finally met him, like that was the first sort of example of 141 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,200 something where I was like, I could send this to anybody and 142 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,520 you just demolished the narrative in such a measured, 143 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,520 professional way. And I thought it was brilliant. 144 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,840 And I've followed Nick since then. 145 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,240 And, and, you know, we don't speak often, but we maintain 146 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,880 contact. And I consider Nick a friend 147 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,120 and, and he happened to be in the UKI was like, well, we're 148 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,560 working on this film. It's early doors on the UN and 149 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,320 it's quite a broad subject. Would you be interested in? 150 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,480 He's like, yeah, I mean, when we shot something and he was in 151 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,120 London and his interview was, you know, again, just 152 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,919 serendipitously just perfect. I mean, Nick's got a habit of 153 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:44,000 being word perfect. So like his little monologue at 154 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,520 the end of the film, it's like you just nailed it in a couple 155 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,840 of minutes. Like this, all of this nonsense 156 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,520 that's happening, it's driven ultimately by an anti human 157 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,880 mindset. And, you know, people who are so 158 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,720 hubristic that they've come to see themselves as gods 159 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,680 basically. They think they're entitled to 160 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:07,120 tamper with the human genome and upgrade humans into human 2 161 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,160 point O. And they feel like stewards of 162 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,000 the earth and they feel like they're entitled to do so. 163 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,360 And that's really, you know, frighteningly, I think that's 164 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,040 the mindset that seems to be running the world. 165 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,600 I play on the whole war theme with with with my show, you 166 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,720 know, battle of ideas joining me in the trenches. 167 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,160 We're in an information war full. 168 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,880 Do you think we are winning the information war? 169 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,720 It's a good question. Censorship is always, to me, 170 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,760 it's been an indication that the fight's not over, if nothing 171 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,520 else, because if where they'd won, like they wouldn't care. 172 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,560 Like what people were saying, like, yeah, go and scream into 173 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:52,440 the void. We don't care. 174 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,240 Censorship during COVID was massive, which should have told 175 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,040 you that. And it became so obvious, like 176 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,440 you said this thing and now you're kicked off of Facebook. 177 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,560 Like what? Exactly what they didn't want 178 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:10,120 you speaking about. And so I think they lost, in my 179 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,640 opinion, they lost the information war during COVID. 180 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:16,360 However, what's happened since is that the censorship's got way 181 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,560 more sophisticated and I think kind of more insidious. 182 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,360 So, you know, Elon Musk reinstates everybody on Twitter 183 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,960 and it's free speech platform now. 184 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,440 Isn't it wonderful? But what's actually happened is 185 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,040 that shadow banning and things are much more prevalent. 186 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,600 So even though everybody feels like they're there and they can 187 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,200 say what they like, you know, in their own words, you have 188 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,960 freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. 189 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,520 And so your voice can be dialled down algorithmically from a 190 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:50,600 completely centralised position. And I think that's worse because 191 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,360 you aren't even aware that that's happening. 192 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,880 You know, like as I said, during COVID, this invoices got de 193 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,200 platformed. And as soon as that happened, 194 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,160 people that sort of clocked on to what was going on thought, 195 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,680 well, I'm going to find out what he said because you don't want 196 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:06,440 me to hear it. Whereas now I think the the 197 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,600 censorships are a little bit more sophisticated and, and the 198 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,400 free speech Twitter sign up. I mean, I don't know, you'll 199 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,960 sort of take on the whole thing, but not buying it. 200 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,880 But it also had the other consequence that during COVID, a 201 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,760 lot of alt tech popped up in direct response to all the 202 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,640 censorship. So you had all of these 203 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,840 platforms, I guess, you know, Gab or Parlour or things were, 204 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,480 you know, examples that their USP was we're not going to sense 205 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,760 you and they gained a lot of traction. 206 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,200 But as soon as free speech Twitter comes, it's like, well, 207 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,320 Twitter wins by virtue of the network effect because 208 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,200 everybody's on there and your one USP is now not a selling 209 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,920 point. So all that old tech dies and 210 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,520 all that investment into alternatives goes away. 211 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,280 And it also had that consequence too. 212 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:55,440 And not to mention, I think, you know, the dissidents are now 213 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,560 corralled onto a platform that is clearly as ties to 214 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:03,120 intelligence agencies. And it's like I, I, I believe 215 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,280 they're actually stud. They did lose the information 216 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,400 war during COVID, but they're studying how so called 217 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,080 misinformation spreads now and they're trying to come up with 218 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,320 more sophisticated ways to nip it in the bud. 219 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,720 So I think it's ongoing. Are we winning? 220 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,960 I hope so. I hope so. 221 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,760 Another. Big problem is somebody like 222 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:33,640 Trump who is extremely likeable. However, a pipe piper of note. 223 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,960 Yeah, I mean, it's difficult to put your finger on because 224 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,760 sometimes he'll come out and say something that you completely 225 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,960 agree with. It's like, well, I'm glad he 226 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,840 said that. But we have to do with people 227 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,240 like Trump and Elon is actually look at what they're doing, not 228 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,640 versus what they're saying. Because it's very easy to say 229 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,600 something and get people on your side. 230 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,760 But when you look at their actions, I mean, Elon Musk's 231 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,960 investment portfolio is like a mirror image of the World 232 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,040 Economic Forum's agenda. It's like, just because there's 233 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,440 a different salesperson giving it to you, and I'm doing it 234 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,640 under a libertarian front saying, dude, you're invested in 235 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,240 brain chips and electric cars and, and surveillance grids and, 236 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,280 and all this stuff. It's like it's the same thing. 237 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,720 And you seem to be leading us in the same direction. 238 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,480 But you're the the sales pitch has changed, but the direction 239 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,040 of travel seems to be the same. And it's, it would be funny if 240 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,400 it didn't appear to be so effective, you know, And I, I 241 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,920 think Trump seems to be much the same where there's been, there's 242 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,680 go on, no. Sorry, I interrupted, But he can 243 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:41,120 say, well, we're going to bring digital ID in, but we'll do it 244 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,920 via the border. Now we want to stop those 245 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,680 Mexicans and suddenly millions and millions of people will 246 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:47,960 suddenly now buy into the idea of digital ID. 247 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,480 Correct. And yeah, again, it would be 248 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,440 funny if it wasn't didn't appear to be working. 249 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:58,160 I mean, and that's that's a, a methodology that's not exclusive 250 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,280 to the USI mean the UK, we've had a massive illegal 251 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,400 immigration problem that's sort of making headlines now. 252 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,720 You know, Tommy Robinson's been pounding the drum and etcetera. 253 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,440 But it's like this immensely divisive issue, which is a 254 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,640 problem in and of itself, but it's clearly been a crisis 255 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,120 that's been manufactured, it's been allowed to happen from on 256 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,440 high. And this the solution has always 257 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,600 been digital. ID say, well, now we, we need to 258 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,480 impose a digital ID and, and that seems to be happening not 259 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,120 just in America, but around the world. 260 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,760 And you know, people as we stay in the film, you know, this has 261 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,480 to be if if you didn't dig your heels in anywhere else, like you 262 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,880 have to stop before you accept a digital ID. 263 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,880 And I, I know they're going to make it difficult. 264 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,560 I feel like the the vaccine passports during COVID were the 265 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,720 first go around. Well, not the first, but you 266 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,800 know, they were a very obvious attempt to impose some form of 267 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,160 digital biometric system and it didn't, didn't float and people 268 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,560 sported off. But this strategy, I mean, Tony 269 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,160 Blair's emblematic of this ideology where he's for about 20 270 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,360 years, he's been trying to bring some form of this system in. 271 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,960 These people seem to come like how a shark attacks, right? 272 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,800 So a shark will typically come in and and bite something and 273 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,480 then let it sit there and then attack from another angle. 274 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,800 So we're going like regroup and come and attack from another 275 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,000 side. And I feel like that's how these 276 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,280 people operate where every so often, potentially once in a 277 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,560 generation, we have to fight this madness off. 278 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,040 But what happens in the interim is this huge influx of 279 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,960 indoctrination and propaganda that can convinces people that 280 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,040 it's for their own good. And oh, maybe we do need this 281 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,960 idea or, you know, the manufacturing of problems that 282 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,560 think, oh, that's the solution. Isn't that funny? 283 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,960 But we've got to say no to this digital ID nonsense, no matter 284 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,480 who is selling it to you, whether it's Trump or it's Elon. 285 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:03,040 Like it's and under a current administration it it might not 286 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:07,000 be abused, but the potential for social control that it offers in 287 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 the hands of the wrong person is. 288 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,800 It's not worth any of the selling points they're giving 289 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,400 me. Like you have to refuse it in my 290 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,720 opinion. Andrew Treglia and Larkin Rose 291 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,920 did a great film called The Jones Plantation, and that 292 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,080 really is how how the world around us is. 293 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,840 We are living in the Jones Plantation. 294 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,440 People are choosing their own slavery. 295 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,680 Yeah. And I think that's a long, like 296 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,840 generations long process of engineering people's consent. 297 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,360 And the climate narrative that we, you know, focus is a huge 298 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,400 focus of the film is a great example of that, where they've 299 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,520 conditioned you literally by buying the science. 300 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,520 You know, you go back to the Club of Rome and they finance 301 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,560 computer modelling to say that the world was going to end as we 302 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,440 knew it unless we started serious impositions on people's 303 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,240 lifestyles. You need to manage consumption 304 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,359 and to manage population. And they also identified like 305 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,280 disease, for example. And they basically went looking 306 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:15,800 under Rockefeller duress for global problems that would 307 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,079 require institutions like the UN to come in and effectively 308 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:23,880 govern over. So a level of bureaucracy above 309 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,040 the level of nation. That's why they existed. 310 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,600 They were like this think tank to come in and find global 311 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,560 problems to justify their existence. 312 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,200 You know, effectively they were a solution without a problem. 313 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,200 And and climate change was a big one. 314 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,280 And through that for for decades now, you know, it's hard for 315 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,640 young people now who have bought, you know, you accept the 316 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,680 reality that you're bought up in. 317 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,920 And I understand that. And it took me a while when I 318 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,880 started, you know, floating the idea that climate change, a 319 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,440 hoax, like all of it. Yeah, it is. 320 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,920 But you and you can go back in your head like, well, why do I 321 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,880 think it isn't? And it's, you know, it's goes 322 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,880 back to school and teaches and everywhere around you, you know, 323 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,640 all the media that you're presented with goes out of its 324 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,960 way to convince you that we're in a crisis. 325 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,360 And, and, you know, essentially sell you this narrative. 326 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:20,400 But the narrative ultimately is about restricting as a 327 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:27,360 restrictions on on your life. But in this, in this very it, 328 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,840 it's just like Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, which is a 329 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,280 parallel that we draw upon. He said essentially you, you 330 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,800 propagandise people to love their enslavement. 331 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,760 And that's what they've done with the climate narrative. 332 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,760 So the point where, you know, maybe 10 years from now, people 333 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,560 will be happy, You know, they'll gloat about the fact it'll be a 334 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,600 virtue signal that I don't eat meat and I don't drive a car, or 335 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,640 I don't own a car or I don't fly on an aeroplane because it's for 336 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,800 the good of the planet. It's this dangerous sort of 337 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,600 collectivist mindset that they've ingrained in people. 338 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,680 And, you know, a few generations ago, it would have been madness 339 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,560 because people saw through it. But it's very deeply entrenched 340 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,520 now. And we've got to call it what it 341 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,600 is, in my opinion. You mentioned Aldous Huxley and 342 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,880 the agenda opens with a quote from him. 343 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,280 The nightmare of total organisation has emerged and is 344 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,680 now awaiting us just around the next corner. 345 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,480 Yeah. And and for the record, I don't 346 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,920 think Huxley was a prophet either. 347 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,520 I mean, you, I don't know if you've gone down that rabbit 348 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,280 hole, but his brother Julian Huxley was the first director 349 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,880 general of UNESCO at the UN. So like, and he was a very open 350 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,520 eugenicist and he was in these circles of people, you know, 351 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,200 Fabian Society, etcetera, that was bringing the stuff in. 352 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:49,160 So it's like, yeah, Brave New World's a huge sort of red flag 353 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,840 and a, and a, you know, warning manual. 354 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:56,520 But he knew what was coming down the pipeline and, and whether it 355 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,640 was a genuine warning or, or something else, I don't know. 356 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,640 I mean, I prefer the writings of somebody like CS Lewis from that 357 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,320 time who could clearly see the technocratic. 358 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,000 You know, scientism that was coming in like, not science as a 359 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,720 process, but science as an institution and the dangers of 360 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,240 that. But as I say, you know, it's 361 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,880 there's a tendency, I suppose, when you start researching the 362 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,320 stuff to want to show your work and be like, oh, by the way, 363 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,720 Huxley was this and he was that. But you know, we used the quote 364 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,720 because it is, as it happens, perfect example of what's 365 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,120 happening in the world. What is the agenda? 366 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,760 You mean the film or what is the plan? 367 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,120 The plan the. Plan as I see it, crazy as it 368 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:50,760 might sound to somebody who's not come across this information 369 00:20:50,760 --> 00:21:00,960 before, is to enslave humanity, to usher them into city centres 370 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:07,480 where they can be surveilled and sort of cordon off large areas 371 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,280 of the earth. For an entitled few who see 372 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,320 themselves as stewards of the earth and see themselves as 373 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,360 entitled to govern it and best suited, you know, under sort of 374 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:23,000 a Darwinist, Darwinist mindset, they feel like it's survival of 375 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,680 the fittest. We've accrued all of this 376 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,360 wealth, accrued all this power. It's our duty to use it for the 377 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:34,440 good of the world as we see it, and they appear to look at 378 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,440 regular people as useless eaters. 379 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,560 I think they've tolerated humanity up until this point in 380 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,160 time because at any other period in history it would have been 381 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,320 suicide for the few to wage war on the many. 382 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,880 But technology and the digital prison that we seem to have 383 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,920 constructed around ourselves unwittingly is the great 384 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:01,720 equaliser for these people. And it is now possible under a 385 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,000 digital ID and a central bank digital currency system to 386 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,760 socially engineer people and control them on a mass scale in 387 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,480 a way that's never been possible before. 388 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,080 And so I feel like this transnational ruling class has 389 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,160 put itself on display. You know, it certainly did 390 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,040 through COVID. Like, you know, there was 391 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:25,280 clearly a level of coordination above the level of nation that 392 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,000 put itself on display during COVID. 393 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,840 And as it gets closer and closer to its end game, I think it's 394 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,560 going to become clearer. So. 395 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,640 So that's the agenda as I see it is total control and subjugation 396 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,880 of of normal people, but at the hands of some megalomaniacs. 397 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,280 I guess in other words, so it's all good news. 398 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,200 Sounds, sounds very positive, yeah. 399 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,520 Yeah. I mean, I guess another way of, 400 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,840 of putting it is technocracy, central control. 401 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:59,480 I mean, some of the overarching themes of the film are, are 402 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:05,080 exactly that digital IDs, mass surveillance, the the attack on 403 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:09,400 agriculture, which is something that many people just don't seem 404 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,080 to talk about. And and of course the idea of a 405 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:20,880 resource based economy, which was funnily enough spoken about 406 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,680 many years ago. Do you remember a film called 407 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,720 Zeitgeist? Yeah, yeah, it. 408 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,240 Was like this whack job film that came out that nobody took 409 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,640 seriously. Yeah, I, I remember it. 410 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,680 Yeah, it was it like early 2000s. 411 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,720 Yeah, yeah, totally. And I mean, I should have just 412 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,280 said technocracy. If that would have been in a 413 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,720 nutshell, I wouldn't have to ramble on a few. 414 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,480 Minutes. But yeah, essentially, like when 415 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:55,760 you, I mean, like, like John D Rockefeller is this example, 416 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,160 right? And this was a big, like, 417 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,960 revelation for me when we're making the film. 418 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,160 Like if if you were part of the organisation that ushered in the 419 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,880 Federal Reserve and you knew that the Fiat currency system 420 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:12,040 was effectively on borrowed time and you knew it had an expiry 421 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,480 date, right? Like eventually we're going to 422 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,120 hyperinflate ourselves into destruction and something. 423 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:21,440 So we're, we're on the cusp of a major financial boundary event. 424 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,760 Central bankers know that before they bring that system in. 425 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,600 So we're talking like, you know, essentially maybe a century ago, 426 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:34,360 they knew this and that research that was going on at Columbia 427 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:38,760 University in search of a new like a replacement of capitalism 428 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,640 in free enterprise. That was technocracy. 429 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,560 I think that was ultimately the purpose of it. 430 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,600 So find a replacement system to bring in when the Fiat currency 431 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,400 system inevitably collapsed. And the resource side of it, you 432 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,960 know, going back to John D Rockefeller, like he clearly 433 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,160 figured out at some point, right. 434 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,560 If if I own oil, if I own a vital resource, it doesn't 435 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,280 matter if we're the currency system in the world is sticks 436 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,680 and stones, I own the oil, right. 437 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,360 So if the Fiat monetary system collapses, it doesn't matter 438 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:13,360 because they own the resources. And then what we've seen over 439 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:19,160 the last century is this immense land grab and resource grab by a 440 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,280 concentrated group of people. And I feel like that was in 441 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,720 preparation for what's coming. The the resource based economy 442 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,040 idea is is actually a lot bigger than I think we realise. 443 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,120 I mean, the entire UN sustainable development agenda 444 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,920 is based on that. Correct. 445 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,200 Yeah. And the Agenda 21 was a good 446 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,800 example where that was never put to vote to the public. 447 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,240 There was no democratic process. We signed a pledge effectively 448 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,880 or our leaders signed up to it and committed us. 449 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,400 And that's been direction of travel for the UN since its 450 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,960 inception, where bit by bit you erode away at national 451 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,440 sovereignty and inherently acquire more controlling 452 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,800 interests yourself as a supranational organisation. 453 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,000 And if that's the modus operandi of institutions like the UN and 454 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,320 the West, I don't know if you've ever sat down and tried to read 455 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,280 some of these policy frameworks they've put together. 456 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,280 Yes, I have and. It's. 457 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,360 So complicated. But like they're they read the 458 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:26,200 same. Right, like they're so saying 459 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,160 this. Yeah, so and they use catch. 460 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,040 Phrases, by the way, sorry. Yes, and like all of this 461 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,000 Orwellian doublespeak that we talk about in the film as well, 462 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,640 you know, things like diversity and equity and inclusion, which 463 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,320 sounds so wonderful, but they read almost like they're written 464 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,080 by AI. And I know that's not possible 465 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,240 because it wasn't around when some of this stuff starts, you 466 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,480 know, was being churned out. There's a there's a really good 467 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,240 researcher that you might not come across. 468 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,120 It goes by the name of Escape Key and you credit him at the 469 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,600 end of the film. And as far as I'm as far as I'm 470 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,440 aware, he's like one guy and he is going out of his way to 471 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,400 actually engage with and read this stuff and get AI to analyse 472 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,240 it. And, you know, looking at things 473 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,240 like general systems theory by Jay Forrester and the Club of 474 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,400 Rome and, and how this stuff came about and the on a very 475 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,480 deep level, you know, if you're new to this stuff, it's probably 476 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,440 not for you. But if you're really interested 477 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,520 in looking at the nonsense that these people spout and you don't 478 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,760 want to sit down and read a 500 page policy framework escape 479 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,480 keys doing amazing work. And he's what I found is like, 480 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,360 he's so shadow banned. He's you know, he's just 481 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,560 vanishes from Twitter. And I see like the the social 482 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,520 credit system on Twitter in effect with him. 483 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:44,200 If I retweet him like my reach is limited, you know he's. 484 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,560 I'm just sorry I've just opened X now and he's banned. 485 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,680 This account does not exist. That that will show him. 486 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,200 But I think he's on sub stack, he's on Telegram and he seems 487 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,160 like a good guy. And you know, again, not not for 488 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,680 the uninitiated, but if you're interested in looking at this 489 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,960 stuff in great detail, he's a great place to to look at. 490 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,880 And there's lots of people doing good work in this area. 491 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,680 But yeah, I call it like excessive verbiage that these 492 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,120 people use was absolute word salad that makes it almost 493 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,640 impossible to read. And I think that's by design as 494 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,920 well. I think they're writing in code. 495 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,560 There are actual, you know, a lot of the terms don't mean what 496 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,320 they say they mean. And also they just pad it out 497 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,200 with so much excessive verbiage that it's impenetrable to. 498 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,920 Why would an average person sit down and read this nonsense? 499 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,080 Yeah, but they also make it sound good, like they want to 500 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,240 end world hunger. I mean, full. 501 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,120 Do you really want people to starve? 502 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:43,920 What's wrong with you? Well. 503 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,080 I find it curious that during COVID we found the means through 504 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,960 which to vaccinate billions of people. 505 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,600 And, you know, almost overnight we mobilised the logistics to 506 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,600 get that product or those products to billions of people. 507 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,840 But we haven't been able to feed people. 508 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,000 You know, that's just not possible. 509 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,600 The money's not there. But just all showing to the UN 510 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,880 comment earlier, net zero, I mean, carbon net 0 is probably 511 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,840 the foundation of all of these policy frameworks because that 512 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:25,080 allows them to build digital ID on top of as well as CBDC or 513 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,120 some variant of it. Because people in the Trump camp 514 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,760 now going, well, Trump doesn't like CBDC's, there we go, he's 515 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,560 ended it. But they don't realise that 516 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,840 these agendas don't suddenly stop. 517 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,120 It's ridiculous. Someone. 518 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,720 Someone. Said yesterday, sorry someone 519 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,040 said yesterday he's going to end the Fed and, and, and you'll 520 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,280 see, I mean. Well, it's like, you know, when 521 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,720 he got in and he started issuing all of these executive orders 522 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,160 and he was rattling them off and a lot of them sounded really 523 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,720 good. It's like, man, this sounds like 524 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,360 he's, you know, he's well intentioned, he's a little bit 525 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,640 wiser this time around. You know, he's getting pulling 526 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,360 the US out of the Hoo and all that stuff. 527 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,600 But what people don't realise is if he's able to do that in the 528 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,320 first few days of his administration, the next person 529 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,920 that gets in just like Biden did, right, can just put you 530 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,280 straight back in. It's if it's that easy to 531 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,680 withdraw, it's just as easy to go back in. 532 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,680 So the executive orders as I see them, you know, they sound good 533 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,400 and they really make it look like he's doing good stuff. 534 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,640 But there's nothing permanent there and there's nothing to say 535 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,080 that they couldn't be overridden by his successor, whoever that 536 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,160 might be. I mean, I brought attention a 537 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,760 few days ago to a document by the Trilateral Commission. 538 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,240 So if you go on the Trilateral Commission's website, they have 539 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,160 this document called Capitalism in Transition. 540 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,920 And in that they advocate for all the same stuff. 541 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,880 And they identify that they, they claim that we're a shifting 542 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,720 to a fifth stage of capitalism, which is effectively, you know, 543 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,720 Klaus Schwab's stakeholder capitalism nonsense in different 544 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,680 terminology. And they identify three areas 545 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,040 that are primary focus. And the first is the climate 546 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,600 crisis and how we need to be shifting to a net zero world by 547 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:17,680 2050, which which again enables total centralisation, you know, 548 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,240 the electrification of the grid, which is, you know, these 549 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,400 technologies themselves aren't inherently bad. 550 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,120 People think that I'm having a go at solar or wind or whatever. 551 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,920 It's like, no, in principle they're fine and solar panels 552 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,600 can be useful on an individual level, but like as a means of 553 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,400 powering the grid, they're not reliable and they're not stable. 554 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,480 And the idea that you can just bin 85% of the world's energy 555 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,120 from hydrocarbon in 30 years and replace it with that which isn't 556 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,840 stable and it's not, you know, I mean, Spain found out the hard 557 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,880 way recently, right? We were parental blackout and, 558 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,040 and the National Grid in the UK is very open about this, that 559 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:07,520 we're going to have to control demand by the flexibly pricing 560 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,680 the supply of electricity. So we're, they're telling you we 561 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,320 are going to price you out of using electricity, whether you 562 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,520 like it or not through the use of smart metres, which can do 563 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,360 minute by minute pricing. We're going to determine the 564 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,400 price of electricity. And so we could realistically be 565 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,120 in a position in a few decades where people are like setting an 566 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,440 alarm to get up at 3:00 AM to take a shower because that's 567 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,240 when the electricity is cheaper. Like going back to a pre 568 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,640 industrial age way of living. And, and it's a feudalist system 569 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,320 really. And I think that's how they want 570 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,920 it. You know it's a governing class 571 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,240 ruling over the the useless eaters. 572 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,560 Yeah, and it's based on the myth that humans are warming up 573 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,760 Earth. Yes, it's so stupid as as Alex 574 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,080 Newman says. So as as you're not talking here 575 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:05,640 in Cape Town, it is 10°C outside and it is raining. 576 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,320 How's that for global boiling? You could you guys could do with 577 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:15,520 some boiling over there, Yeah. But ultimately. 578 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,520 People buy into this. That's why I said earlier it's 579 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,240 the Jones Plantation. But it's this process of 580 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,280 creating a crisis. And you know, most people are 581 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,760 well intentioned for a start, so they don't they don't 582 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,640 immediately assume bad actors. It's only when you've that 583 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,800 switch flicks in your head and you're like, right, these people 584 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,240 are actually not acting in my interest at all, Then a lot of 585 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,840 things start to become clear. But until you look at the world 586 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,920 through that lens and you assume the best of people, as most 587 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,600 empathetic people do, you'll try to justify things that they're 588 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,680 doing, you'll rationalise it Well, you know they wouldn't lie 589 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,040 to me on such a scale. Unfortunately they would. 590 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,240 And they're really not acting in your interest. 591 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,120 This. Is also a good point because 592 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,720 unfortunately a lot of people on our side have become too 593 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,560 blackballed and, and everything is just nihilistic and, and 594 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,360 chaotic. And what that ultimately does on 595 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,199 a personal level is that it puts you into a into a place of 596 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:20,199 depression and darkness, and that is the ultimate defeat. 597 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,800 Yeah, you can sort of spiral inwards to a point where, and I 598 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,199 get it, like people's trust has been betrayed on such a scale. 599 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,600 It's like, I don't know who to trust. 600 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,000 And so you're sceptical of everybody, you're sceptical of 601 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,000 everything. And then I watched your 602 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,199 conversation with Zubi a few days ago, which I thought was 603 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,199 really refreshing. And I'm conscious now that I'm 604 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,560 like massively negative. And please don't get the 605 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,080 impression that I'm blackpilled at all. 606 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,239 I agreed with a lot of what you guys said, right? 607 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,120 But you know, equally this isn't, I mean, the agenda is a 608 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,120 lot of things and we've had a lot of compliments on it, but 609 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,920 it's not a pleasant watch. It's a bad situation, right? 610 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,560 It's painting a picture of a pretty bad situation. 611 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,200 But the blackpilling doesn't help because whether you're 612 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,560 afraid of the manufactured crises that they're presenting 613 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,440 to you or you're afraid of what's coming down the pipeline, 614 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,920 you're still living your life in fear. 615 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,600 And you're letting this narrative one way or the other 616 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,640 dictate the way you live your life. 617 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,120 So I think like the ultimate point of rebellion is, you know, 618 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,360 be a good father and, you know, spend time in nature and enjoy 619 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,720 yourself and laugh through the nonsense. 620 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,160 And it sounds, you know, like woo woo. 621 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,400 But like, if enough people did that alone, just stop paying 622 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,960 attention to this crap. Stop engaging with mainstream 623 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,120 media and just stop reacting to the news, right? 624 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,520 By all means, watch it, figure out what's going on, but stop 625 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,480 reacting to it. I see that people on our side a 626 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,240 lot where they'll share this headline in outrage. 627 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,560 Can you believe this? Dude, stop giving it your 628 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,080 energy. Stop scrolling. 629 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,640 Yeah, stop reacting to it. It doesn't do you any good. 630 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,760 And yeah, Blackpooling, as I say, I get it. 631 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,880 And we've even had people over the years which when you, if you 632 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640 could see how small an operation we are, right. 633 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,520 But people have been like, you guys have controlled that 634 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,040 position you're doing, you know, me and Mark working out of it. 635 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,200 Getting. Shared office space and stuff. 636 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,760 It's in a way I suppose. For lack of what that that that 637 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,880 controlled opposition, gatekeeping, limited hangout 638 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,040 label. It's become the new sexist, 639 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,560 racist climate change denier. In a way, there's a compliment 640 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,360 in there and but The thing is like the more you try to defend 641 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,440 yourself against it, the more you just feed into it. 642 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,960 So unfortunately, you know, it's unfortunate, but I, I just have 643 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,880 to accept like I understand where people are, right? 644 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,920 Nothing I can say after what's happened in the last five years 645 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,960 can make, can make you trust me. I'm not asking you to. 646 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,440 If you don't want to trust me, don't, you know, go find 647 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,520 somebody else to listen to. I'm only doing what I as I read 648 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,800 it as much as I possibly can. Like I'm not a doctor or 649 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,400 scientist or anything. I'm a camera operator and an 650 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,680 editor prior to this, and I wasn't doing anything remotely 651 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,320 controversial prior to all this nonsense, but I felt compelled 652 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,840 to do something, whatever that looked like. 653 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,640 So that's what I'm doing. And you know, if people don't 654 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,800 like the way I'm doing that, that's, that's fair enough. 655 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,080 But I don't understand the mindset of like trying to cut 656 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,800 down people that are doing stuff proactively, you know? 657 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,560 It's the purity test, you know, if you aren't a mirror image of 658 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,080 that person, then you are a gatekeeper. 659 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,880 Yeah, seems to be that way. And it's very stupid because 660 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,320 because people learn and open their eyes at different paces. 661 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:54,880 Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you want 662 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,840 to talk about this, but I know like you're a big proponent of 663 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,880 the, you know, the no virus thing, right? 664 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,960 I'm very sympathetic to it. Yes, I I won't make the claim, 665 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,680 but I am sympathetic to it. Well, I mean, I very early on 666 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,960 during COVID, a lot of the distant voices I was hearing 667 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,080 were the likes of Andrew Kaufman and Tom Cowan and people like 668 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,600 that. And I made contact with Andy 669 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,000 and, you know, Kevin Corbett is another one in the UK. 670 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,360 And I know I did interviews with those guys and I've got a lot of 671 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,280 respect for them. And, you know, I've not sort of 672 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,560 spoken to them that recently. Kevin would occasionally give me 673 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,960 a smack on the wrist and say, hey, great film, but way to 674 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,000 reinforce the virus narrative. I'm sympathetic to those guys. 675 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,880 And something in me honestly tells me I think they're right. 676 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,600 Like, I think, I think that's how deep the lie goes. 677 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,080 But what I found was like, I mean, I'm in the business of 678 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,120 communication. And as the consequences to what 679 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,240 was happening were getting more severe, like, you know, they 680 00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:01,000 were trying to vaccinate children, for example, I was 681 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,960 banging my head against the wall by leading the argument with 682 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,160 like, well, you know, the virus doesn't exist, right? 683 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,120 Yes, I get that also, and it's it's profound. 684 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,120 Sorry for interrupting you again, but it's profoundly 685 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,440 annoying. You know, I just recently 686 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,480 interviewed Andrew Wakefield, who has done incredible work in, 687 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,040 you know, in vaccines. And he was destroyed by the 688 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,880 Pharmaceutical industry because of a peer reviewed paper that 689 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,920 didn't even make a claim. It just said more research is 690 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,320 needed, right? And then I get comments from 691 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,120 people saying, oh, but you know, he's a shield because he still 692 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,960 believes in contagion. Like, dude, how do we go? 693 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,480 Where do we go from here? I. 694 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,800 Understand people's frustration because it feels like there's 695 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,960 been, I'm not saying that. I'm saying like, from their 696 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,000 observation as I read it, it feels like that view has been 697 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,000 censored. So as I said, Andy Kaufman's 698 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,440 voice was quite loud at the start of COVID. 699 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,400 And I've got a lot of respect for Andy for putting his head 700 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,800 above the parapet. And in my experience, he's a 701 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,560 wonderful person. And you know, he and I have had 702 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,920 good conversations over the years. 703 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,600 But equally, I've come across people that are adamant he's 704 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,760 dead wrong. People like good people, you 705 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,440 know, and, and I'm, I'm, I'm not a scientist. 706 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,360 I'm trying to get to the truth of the matter. 707 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,960 I'm not afraid of that conversation. 708 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,880 But it, it feels like that argument has got a lot quieter 709 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,720 and the same people are banging the drum. 710 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,560 But you know, so I can understand how people feel like 711 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,840 it's being shut out. I think it's more a strategy 712 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,560 thing than like a maligned, you know, as a means of 713 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,600 communication. There are other arguments you 714 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,080 could put forward prior to getting there because, because 715 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:47,200 that's like, I guess it's on the scale of saying like climate 716 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,560 change is a hoax, right? Like it's a lot of people will 717 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,480 be turned off from the agenda by the fact that we that's in the 718 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,560 introduction, right? But that was something that we 719 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,200 had to accept. And I've, I've felt for a little 720 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,320 while like the no virus thing is something I need to do some more 721 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,920 work in. And, you know, I mean, I had a 722 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,360 conversation with Mike Eden recently, who again, you know, 723 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,720 is somebody I met in 2021. And we don't speak often, but I 724 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,320 consider him a friend. And he took issue with certain 725 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,360 things that were in the agenda. But I want to go and speak to 726 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,320 Mike and I want to allow him the platform to say what he says, 727 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,040 but I don't have to agree with everything he says. 728 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,680 I think there's like this, these elements of woke culture and 729 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,320 cancel culture creeping into our side where it's like, if you 730 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,160 don't align exactly. It's ridiculous. 731 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,600 Yeah, it's. Just ridiculous full. 732 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:41,240 So my philosophy, which I don't often mention on on my show is 733 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,880 is based on something that Bruce Lee said. 734 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,400 Take that which is valuable, discard that which is not 735 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:52,720 create, which is uniquely yours. That is how I apply the my 736 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:56,600 outlook on the world. So I will listen to you and 737 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,880 everybody else, and then I'll take the things that I think are 738 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,920 valuable and I'll dismiss the rest. 739 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,240 I don't. I don't need you to be 100% in 740 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:08,080 agreement with me. I, I feel like there, there is a 741 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,040 debate there that either should have happened a long time ago or 742 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,600 I mean, some people say it's, it's not the hill to die on kind 743 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,320 of thing. I, I do think those voices are 744 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,440 important. And now I've got a lot of 745 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,240 respect for Andy Kaufman and Kevin Corbett, etcetera. 746 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,360 I do. And maybe I'll do something down 747 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,600 the line, but, you know, I I have to do it because I feel 748 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,720 compelled to. And I feel like there's 749 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,040 something there. Like I'm not, you know, I'm not 750 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,520 doing this for money. Like I'm, you know, I'm not, I 751 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,760 don't want to play to a captive audience, I guess is what I want 752 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,160 to say. Yeah, I want to do something 753 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,520 because I want to go and do it and I'm genuinely interested in 754 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,440 it. So. 755 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,160 But I'm not, you know, I'm not afraid of that conversation. 756 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,040 Why do you? Think the views expressed in the 757 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,040 agenda would be considered controversial? 758 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,480 To a general audience. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned 759 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,600 earlier you you mentioned the word controversial controversy 760 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,640 and I'm trying to think like why? 761 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,600 You know I. Suppose because it's completely 762 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,920 at odds with the official line or like you know, the government 763 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,000 line around the world on some quite important issues. 764 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,560 And as you say, like net 0 by 2050 is a key. 765 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,200 You know, it's been identified by the Trilateral Commission in 766 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,760 the West as how we get to where we're going. 767 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,440 We need to implement this nonsense. 768 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,360 It's justification. It's a means of engineering 769 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,320 people's consent for a control grid to be built around them, 770 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,280 right under the auspices of this ludicrous notion that humans, by 771 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,040 virtue of existing, are destroying the planet we were 772 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,040 born onto. We have to now interfere. 773 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,160 And it's the same hubristic mindset that leads people like 774 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,840 Bill Gates to think I need to change cows because they're 775 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,360 destroying the planet, right? Their digestive system and by 776 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,960 farting they're killing the planet or humans. 777 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,160 Even though we've existed on this planet for however many 778 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,160 years. We need now need to upgrade 779 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,400 their immune systems with this mRNA nonsense. 780 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,120 Because intelligent design is flawed and we can do it better. 781 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:14,200 Us, us the the technocrats, us the transhumanists, we can do it 782 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,720 better. I think that's such a dangerous 783 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,080 mindset and it's rooted in eugenics. 784 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,280 Ultimately it's rules for you and not for them. 785 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,320 It's A2 tiered society. Like we saw flavours of it 786 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,880 during COVID. That was it kind of rearing its 787 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,520 head. But it's a really dangerous 788 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,960 mindset. So I I only mean controversial 789 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:39,320 in the sense that it's indirect. It's a direct challenge to a lot 790 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,320 of mainstream narratives. But I don't personally think 791 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,440 they're controversial. Everything that we've said is 792 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,720 rooted in primary source literature and spoken by experts 793 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:51,800 in their field. And also what you see. 794 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,520 Right. Yeah, the evidence of your eyes 795 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,720 and ears. Yes. 796 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:58,840 I mean, I mean, when they when they said in 2020 that there was 797 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,040 this deadly pandemic, I saw nothing around me. 798 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,680 I mean, all I saw was billboards. 799 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,880 I mean, it was a massive marketing campaign. 800 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,120 But I mean, I live, I live in Africa, dude. 801 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,840 We have millions of very poor people living in tight compact. 802 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,920 What would you call it? So we called it a Township. 803 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,760 What? What a squatter camp. 804 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,440 All right, there was no mass death anyway. 805 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,800 No ambulances, no mass graves. But dude. 806 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,040 Didn't you see the news? Yes, but the news kept saying 807 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,280 you go to the airport and these announcements are saying as a 808 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,400 deadly virus, you know, please wear your mask, stand 2 metres 809 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,680 away from very healthy people. That was when I started 810 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,240 realising. So I, I admit I kind of bought 811 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:49,720 into the whole thing in 2020, but I, my position was it's mild 812 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,160 and they're overplaying it. It's just a small, it's like a, 813 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,880 like a type of flute. Nothing to worry about the 814 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,840 Diamond Princess, whatever. Northern Italy. 815 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,280 It was just a minor flu. When they announced lockdowns 816 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,280 and everybody sort of doing the same thing using the same 817 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,720 language, Then I suddenly started questioning everything. 818 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,200 Yeah, I think that's how it started for a lot of people. 819 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:15,920 I mean, Liam, as I said, it's basically whatever Oracle 820 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,720 became. Liam and I for first few years 821 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:20,080 just did that between the two of us. 822 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,400 He saw it right from the start. He couldn't really articulate it 823 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,760 to me in quite the right way. And I'm like, what do you mean 824 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,800 it's a lie? Yeah, all of it's a lie. 825 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,360 What do you mean? And I but I was fascinated by 826 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,280 that idea. And you're right, like bit by 827 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,880 bit you start challenging. And for me it was like once you 828 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,840 realise that they're fudging the numbers. 829 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,840 And I'm not saying it'd be ethical, but maybe you could 830 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,040 understand a government lying about death figures or mortality 831 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,400 to cheat it downwards to like ease panic and calm people. 832 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,760 Me. I'm not saying that'd be 833 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,840 ethical, but but when you realise they're cheating them 834 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,480 upwards. OK, so you're trying to frighten 835 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,520 people, you're trying to create chaos and you're trying to build 836 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,640 order out of chaos. Clearly, like this is the this 837 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,640 is the agenda. What's that's that's playing out 838 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,520 before us? And as soon as you as soon as 839 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,320 you spot a hole somewhere, it's like pulling a thread, you know, 840 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,800 just keeps coming and the lies get bigger and bigger. 841 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,200 And the PCR test, man, I mean, not enough people like the loud 842 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,160 COVID dissidents in 2025. There's not enough talk in that 843 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,840 area that the test and the whole idea of the case of COVID case 844 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,120 was nonsense. I saw my first PCR test last 845 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,720 year in 2024. So my wife and I made the 846 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:42,400 decision that we were not going to even legitimise the system. 847 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,000 We weren't going to get a fake vaccine passport, nothing. 848 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,040 We didn't want any type of legitimacy of the system. 849 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:54,080 And a friend of mine flew flew over from from Canada and he 850 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,440 brought me APCR test. He said, I know that you haven't 851 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,160 seen one of these. So yes, yes, one just have a 852 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,400 look at just have a look at just just because I opened this 853 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,040 thing, you know, we were having lunch and I said, oh, it's APC 854 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,080 artist you didn't feel. Compelled to like, wrap it up 855 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,920 your nose. No, but I mean, you're right, 856 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,680 something you said earlier was, was, was I think also very true. 857 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,760 We we mustn't run the risk of just thinking everybody is 858 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,960 stupid. I think that's also an easy trap 859 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,760 to fall into. A lot of people didn't know 860 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,440 better and also don't think critically. 861 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,880 Perhaps like you and I, they, they focus on other things. 862 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:48,520 And I think it was Peter Bragan who said to me, if you look at 863 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,960 an aeroplane and it says got 180 people on board and during COVID 864 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,280 and everybody inside the plane sitting with a mask on, as a 865 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,080 thought experiment, you need to go after each one of those 866 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,400 people and ask them why are you wearing a mask? 867 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,720 And majority of them will have a different response. 868 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,560 And that that that really kind of struck me. 869 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,360 Yeah. And I think as you become aware 870 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:23,920 of the scale of the lies and also the magnitude of the 871 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,960 consequences in the end game people, I see people and I 872 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,320 understand people getting frustrated saying why can't you 873 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,400 see it? Are you stupid? 874 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,160 You know, to people that don't see it at all? 875 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,560 And but you're right, it's it's not about intelligence. 876 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,960 I don't think it's about people an unwillingness. 877 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,440 It's it's weaponized people's good nature, I guess is what I'm 878 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,120 trying to say, where you assume you project your value set onto 879 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,480 people and anybody that's had to run in with like a narcissist 880 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,840 or, you know, maybe even a psychopath in their life, you 881 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,040 know, that they, they're able to operate and navigate through 882 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,840 life undetected because people don't assume bad things of 883 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,200 people. They don't assume that there are 884 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,240 bad actors in the world until you encounter it, right? 885 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,640 It's in the and then you see it. But so I think it's a 886 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,080 psychological barrier a lot of people aren't willing to cross. 887 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,640 And I was speaking to Bob Moran about this a while ago, that 888 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,040 most people would, whether it's a comfort thing, I don't know. 889 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,760 Like it's, it's a very uncomfortable realisation to to 890 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,080 think that all of these institutions would be that 891 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,280 education, government, the media that you've trusted with so much 892 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,280 of your life are, are not telling you the truth and are 893 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,600 not acting in your interest. It's an uncomfortable 894 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,480 realisation, but it's a necessary one because the 895 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,680 alternative is being LED into this digital gulag. 896 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,200 You know that it it's been constructed in the shadows and 897 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,360 this agenda's been allowed to carry on for so long because 898 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,000 they've lied. Not just outright, they've lied 899 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,440 through a mission, they've distorted truths, but ultimately 900 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,200 they've played on people's good nature. 901 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,840 I mean, that was so much of the behavioural psychology through 902 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,200 COVID was you're a good person, aren't you? 903 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,120 Wear a mask then. You're a good person, aren't 904 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:09,960 you? Stay in your home. 905 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,240 You're a good person, aren't you? 906 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,360 Take a vaccine, otherwise you're killing granny. 907 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,760 And most people went along with it because they thought, yeah, 908 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,320 yeah, I am a good person and I care about other people, not 909 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,000 about being stupid, I don't think. 910 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:27,480 But yeah, I, I, I think more people need to even just go on 911 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,240 that thought experiment of what if, you know, which is what we 912 00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:33,920 tried to do with the agenda. Like, what if the whole carbon 913 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,320 narrative was a lie? What would that mean? 914 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,160 What would it mean for you? And just take the thought 915 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,240 experiment. You know, there's a huge 916 00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:44,400 concerted effort by institutions like the BBC etcetera at the 917 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,960 moment to stamp out wrong thing and misinformation because they 918 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,880 realise that people taking that journey thought which you're 919 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,040 perfectly entitled to do, like words can't hurt you. 920 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,520 You know, you're allowed to access to information and to 921 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,960 make up your own mind. And it's the people that are 922 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,720 censoring and trying to stamp out opposing viewpoints and 923 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:08,080 counter narratives that are, you know, the bad actors. 924 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,360 So sorry there's a long winded answer, but. 925 00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:14,680 No, no, no, I mean just on your point of intelligence and 926 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:20,200 stupidity. OK, so Africa apparently has on 927 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,000 average the world's lowest IQ. The majority of South Africa is 928 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,760 black, yet it is the black population of South Africa that 929 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,000 overwhelmingly rejected the vaccine. 930 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,120 Overwhelmingly. I think South Africa is one of 931 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,400 the lowest uptakes in the world, less than 1 1/2 percent or 2%, 932 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,920 right? It has nothing to do with 933 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,800 intelligence. And in fact, if you, if you 934 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,760 think about here, at least in my country, the the people that I 935 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:51,600 saw were the most obedient were the white middle class. 936 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:57,520 Explain that to me. I think part of it is to do with 937 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,240 when the system has served you well. 938 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,000 And particularly if you're an academic and you've risen to 939 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,400 prominence through an, you know, a prominent university or 940 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,920 something, you're far less inclined to speak out against a 941 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,240 system, you know, an academia that has been misled or 942 00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:20,160 researched, that's been LED down the wrong path because it's, 943 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,120 it's a part of your identity. And to admit that you've been 944 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:30,520 fooled or to admit that you've been lied to a lot of people, 945 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,720 that's cognitive dissonance. I don't know what that is. 946 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,320 But you're you end up fighting for the system that served you. 947 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,480 Whereas as you say, you know, a lot of working class people, you 948 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,440 know, invited a plumber around your house during COVID, like, 949 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:44,880 they weren't buying anything, wearing a mask. 950 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,720 They didn't give a shit. They saw right through the whole 951 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:50,400 thing. Whereas it was, yeah, as you 952 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,720 say, the a lot of the white collar people didn't get it. 953 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:59,200 And I think part of that is they can't fathom that this system 954 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,440 that has served them reasonably well, you know, it's screwed 955 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,560 them over in a lot of ways you could point out, but they 956 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,160 couldn't fathom that it's not acting in their interest and 957 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,280 they don't want to move against it. 958 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,760 I think that's the main reason. I'm sure there are others. 959 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:20,280 There's so much to talk about, I really want to recommend my 960 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:26,080 audience to watch The Agenda. It is, it really is high 961 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,720 quality. It is outstanding. 962 00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:31,280 It's probably one of the best sort of counterculture forms I 963 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,280 have seen in the last five years. 964 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,760 I'm say five years because I'm referring to the sort of the 965 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,640 COVID era. It's really, really good Full. 966 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,080 That means a lot coming from you. 967 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,600 What? What does that mean that? 968 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,800 Wasn't That wasn't sarcasm, That was my English accent. 969 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,080 That's a lot. That's that means a lot coming 970 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,320 from you, yeah. I mean that sincerely. 971 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,480 I mean that sincerely, no. But it really is very, very 972 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,000 good. Where, where can, where can I 973 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,800 not me? Where can my audience watch it? 974 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,480 So we've set up a landing page, which is the Agenda film.com, 975 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,840 which at the moment's got a YouTube embed in it. 976 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,120 We're not anticipating it's going to stay on YouTube 977 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:18,040 forever, but it's a good place to send people that aren't 978 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,880 necessarily looking for this information. 979 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,840 It's also on Rumble. There's a direct upload on X. 980 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,520 There's at the same landing page, the Agenda film.com. 981 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,920 You can download a copy of the film, take it offline, do what 982 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,720 you like with it. It's all free. 983 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,280 I don't want your email address. There's no paywall. 984 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,000 Just if you think it's important and it's going to help you 985 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,720 communicate and articulate some of these ideas, then yeah, take 986 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:46,160 it and and run with it. And there's an option to donate 987 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,640 through Buy Me a Coffee on their website if you feel compelled 988 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,880 to. This doesn't come natural to me 989 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,960 or Liam, you know, like we're just introverted camera nerds 990 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,880 for all of this, you know, so the public speaking side of it 991 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,720 isn't something we've gravitated towards. 992 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,240 And we've never like put ourselves at the forefront of 993 00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:04,560 what Oracle is. But a lot of people have said 994 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,360 like you should do it more because, you know, maybe I think 995 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:13,000 people have a more of a rapport with you and you know, perhaps 996 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,280 even just trust you a bit more because then otherwise it's like 997 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,920 who are these guys, these Oracle films? 998 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,600 And that's where these ideas that like with some, I don't 999 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,280 know, nefarious actors or whatever, it's literally 2 Dick 1000 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:29,880 heads from England. You derailed my my atro full 1001 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,720 Wiseman. Thank you for joining me in the 1002 00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:33,800 trenches. Thanks, Jim. 1003 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:34,400 Good to see you mate.