1 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:40,560 None. It's been I, I want to say about 2 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,320 two years. So when you and I last chattered 3 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,400 Robin, I didn't have a child. I now have a child. 4 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,920 Congratulations. That's great news. 5 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,160 He's a beautiful little boy and he's unvaccinated. 6 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,720 Well, I would expect that. And that's, that's in a way, in 7 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,720 a way, the fact that we've gone through all this awakening. 8 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,320 Now, I wouldn't have done it to my children if I knew all this. 9 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,080 But obviously at the time, a lot of us still trusted the 10 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,520 narrative, you know, just to some extent. 11 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,880 But I mean, with that in mind, knowing what you know now, would 12 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:29,200 you go back to 2019? Well, in some funny ways, I 13 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,840 think now maybe more than any other time, I think it's a 14 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:39,760 little bit of a Deja vu because I'm feeling again that we are 15 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,440 living in a situation where some of us have a sense of another 16 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,240 impending restriction which is linked to, you know, the digital 17 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,800 grid. But there's a feeling that a 18 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,600 whole chunk of society, possibly the majority, probably the 19 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,360 majority, instead, it's again just trusting whatever is given 20 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,880 to them. And so I feel in a way, it's a 21 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,240 good time to talk again also because I feel again, we're in 22 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,240 the same shoes and I have got the same thoughts, which is how 23 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,000 do you, how do you talk to these, those people and not let 24 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,960 them see you as some kind of paranoid conspiracy theory? 25 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,320 When you say, you know, be careful when you just do 26 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,240 whatever you're told to do in terms of, you know, your digital 27 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,960 identity in relation to the government. 28 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,640 When they say things like you've got to do this thing online, 29 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:38,440 you've got to do a selfie, you've got to get your biometric 30 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,760 link to your, you know, whatever it is that they want to your 31 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,760 email. And again, it seems a little bit 32 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,240 difficult to just say, well, look, I've got a passport, I've 33 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,440 got a driving licence, I can walk in to an office like an 34 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,560 accountant or whatever, say that's all you should need. 35 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,320 And when they say no, no, no, this has to go through the 36 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,760 digital route. When you say I don't want to do 37 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,720 that, we shouldn't be able to, we shouldn't need to do that. 38 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,960 You looked at as if you're crazy again, because you're the only 39 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,600 person probably that has said, look, I'm not, I think it should 40 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,560 be enough for me to show up with a passport. 41 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,160 So it's similar in, in that respect, which is like what? 42 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,080 So why are you kicking up this big fuss? 43 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:27,720 Why are you and, and again, it's like, how do you say to some 44 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,640 people that in that, you know, potentially we are all in danger 45 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:34,520 if this goes through very quickly because then they can do 46 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,120 2019 in a much more, you know, in a much more ruthless way 47 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,600 where you get cut out of your bank, bank account instantly as 48 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,000 soon as you say, well, actually I've got doubts about the face 49 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,560 mask, you know. Your concern is precisely the 50 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,760 same as my concern. I have noticed what looks like 51 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,120 the opposite of a reawakening. What? 52 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,320 What would that be? Going back into a slumber? 53 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,280 So many. It's weird and I don't 54 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,680 understand how people can just do that. 55 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,720 I mean, have they forgotten what happened in 2020? 56 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,720 It's crazy, yes. I think they know. 57 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,400 I think they have replaced it. They have replaced it in their 58 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,600 minds or they they have the sort of the big pandemic narrative. 59 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,680 It happened. It happens every 100 years. 60 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,200 It was 1918 now it was our turn. It's a history. 61 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,200 There was a Black Death. And and so it just sort of it's 62 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,960 put in a memory hole in a box. And then it's like everything is 63 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,080 back to the same. And then if you say, well, what 64 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,680 about what about 911? What about, you know, it's still 65 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,520 like everything. I think maybe it's like must be 66 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,800 sort of human psychology. You just want to go down your 67 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,760 own path, think that all these things happen to other people. 68 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,440 It's got nothing to do with you. But now we are again, at a time 69 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,440 where it is to do with all of us. 70 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:05,800 And so in, in, in some respects, again, I feel like it's not 71 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,040 really about being afraid of, you know, the, the sort of 72 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,800 Palantir, Peter Thiel, Bill Gates, I mean, those, the very 73 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,640 few, those people are very few. The problem is everyone else who 74 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,960 goes along with whatever, you know, Larry Ellison or Larry 75 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,880 Fink, the problem is everyone who goes along with it. 76 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:29,160 That's our real problem. And that can happen under 77 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,280 governments of any colour or, you know, it's really about the 78 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:36,720 people. So once again, I find that if 79 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:42,400 we're able to break the cultural barriers on this, if we're able 80 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,080 to ask questions, hold on a minute, what happened to the old 81 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,920 sort of identify myself by having like just walking in an 82 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,040 office with a passport and someone say, yes, I can looking 83 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,240 at it, say, yes, it's you. The passport looks authentic and 84 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,840 that's it. What happened to that? 85 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Why do we have to do it in a different way and why are we not 86 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,640 allowed? And how do we get this through? 87 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,520 How do we make it seem that it actually, it's a little bit 88 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,440 crazy that you can't do that anymore. 89 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:14,400 You can't just say it's me, here I am and this is my doc and 90 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,720 that's enough. Why can't you know? 91 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,040 How can we communicate that it's not a normal situation where 92 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,160 some where a government tells you that's not good enough 93 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,400 anymore. It's been good enough since the 94 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,840 invention of documents, and now suddenly it isn't. 95 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,600 And it gets worse when you're on the Internet. 96 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,160 When you go to a website it asks you are you human? 97 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,440 Yeah. Well, that that is actually a 98 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,600 you're actually training AI, did you know that? 99 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Yeah, when you do that. Yeah, yeah. 100 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,080 And you have to, you have to find, you have to find like the 101 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,960 fire hydrant. Yeah, so that's basically 102 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,680 telling AI this is like what, you know, what fibre hydrants or 103 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,560 what motorcycles. So you're training them for 104 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,400 free. So that's just another scam that 105 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,200 are you human? You're basically training them 106 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:10,520 to recognise things, so. I think it was, I think it was 107 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:19,000 Matthias Desmet who back in 2021, he brought out, or 2022 108 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,200 when he brought out his book about totalitarianism. 109 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:26,320 And he, he said that approximately 30% of people at 110 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:32,560 any given stage or time will be awake, so to speak, which is 111 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,200 precisely what you said. You said the majority and, and 112 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,840 basically it will always be around 3 people out of 10 who 113 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,640 will kind of see through all this nonsense. 114 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,680 And I've always wondered why that is. 115 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,200 And I, I know you don't know the answer. 116 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,520 It's more of a rhetorical question, but it is a, it's a 117 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,280 very fascinating psychological observation. 118 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,320 Why is it always the minority? And, and why is it you and why 119 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,160 is it me? How? 120 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,800 How were we able to see it, but so many people who we know 121 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,840 didn't see it and still don't see it? 122 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,240 Well, I think that's that's in a way the ash conformity 123 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,880 experiments where five people are put in a room, they're shown 124 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,160 a set of lines. One is obviously longer than the 125 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,800 others and they say which one line is sort of longer or which 126 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,000 one is shorter. And then you know, you have a 127 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,600 specific answer in your mind and then the three people before you 128 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,240 say a different one and you know, you say something and the 129 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,760 fourth one says they all say the wrong answer at some stage after 130 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,360 I think it's three questions, you just start to go along with 131 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,640 what they say. So I think it's not, I think 132 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,240 it's probably if, if we were to rephrase it, it's if it is 3 out 133 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,800 of 10, I think with this digital idea, it's, it's a slightly 134 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,400 different situation. But I think if it if it was 3 135 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,960 out of 10, it's just that three people actually want to think 136 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,120 through it and seven just want to go along with with not having 137 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,280 any problems on a societal level because they're just sort of, 138 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,000 you know, they're cruising through their their their life 139 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,720 socially and they don't want to rustle anyone's feathers. 140 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,240 So I think it would be it would probably be the only thing you 141 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,480 want to think using their own head. 142 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,840 And the other ones just want to go along. 143 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,680 But I think this is slightly more insidious because if you 144 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:23,680 were to ask anyone, do you like digitally, probably most people 145 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:27,200 say no. But then if you say, would you 146 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:33,640 rather, would you go through the repercussions of not doing it? 147 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,840 If you were, you know, if you were told that you need to do it 148 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,440 to he in the UK is like to be a company director, like, you 149 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,200 know, would you be ready to see what happens, You know, possibly 150 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,520 even getting issues with, with your work or, you know, things 151 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,120 like that. People will say, no, no, I'll do 152 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,040 it because it's no big deal. So it's, it's a sense that 153 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,920 theoretically speaking, everyone is against, but in practise, 154 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,920 everyone thinks it's not a big deal. 155 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:01,480 So they just want to go ahead with it. 156 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,000 I'm just linking, linking the theory and practise here is it's 157 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,720 probably those 3 out of 10 and maybe it's even less who are 158 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,640 linking the 2 who are saying, OK, so on one level, I don't 159 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,920 like it. On another level, I'm doing it 160 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,320 all the time. I'm doing it for every single 161 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,240 purchase for every single government. 162 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,920 And you know, one thing is like, look, I don't care about my 163 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,920 relationship with on an online shopper. 164 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,600 I, you know, I can just, you know, change it tomorrow. 165 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,320 But the other thing is that relationship with the 166 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,280 government, you can't really change it tomorrow. 167 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,840 So once you're in, you're in. But it's not just the 168 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,240 government, Robin, it's also the private sector. 169 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,520 I mean, this is what a public private partnership is. 170 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,040 They they, they work together and that makes it really, really 171 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,920 difficult for us. Yeah, exactly. 172 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,520 That's the other. That's the other approach, which 173 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,720 is more the American approach now with Apple doing the Apple 174 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,120 Digital ID, so you can fly just with your Apple phone throughout 175 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,920 the all the year. So that's it's coming in, it's 176 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,120 get again these kind of slightly different approaches. 177 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:11,120 But in one sense, with the corporate one, again, it sort of 178 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,960 gets people subtly to get in. But maybe I feel like you could, 179 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,360 you could, you could oppose. It's like when it was within 180 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,760 2019, you can decide not to go to that establishment where 181 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,000 they're going to be really, really strict about the 182 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,760 regulations. But I think with the government 183 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,560 it's slightly trickier because you do have to work with them if 184 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:37,880 you are living in any country in some form or the other at some 185 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,160 stage in your life anyway, especially if you're running, 186 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:45,000 running a business. I'm, I'm not willing to leave 187 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:50,480 the whole cultural field to the, you know, the machine. 188 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,680 I'm not willing to do that. And although I'm willing to step 189 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:01,760 away from the club because they're all kind of clubs and 190 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,640 say, look, you know, you don't want to have, I know you don't 191 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,960 want to have anything to do with me because I oppose, you know, 192 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:13,200 lockdowns, oppose vaccines. I oppose the man made climate 193 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,640 catastrophe narrative and those are all big no no's. 194 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,440 So I know you don't want to have anything to do with me, but I 195 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:26,720 still want to to participate in the the cultural field on my own 196 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,560 terms and the terms of people that I I feel are more on the 197 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:34,640 right track. So it is a bit of a of a battle, 198 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,600 but I think it is, you know, that my point is that this is an 199 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,840 important battle because that is potentially the area that swings 200 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,440 things. You know, it's done it before. 201 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,840 Underground culture has done it before. 202 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,280 Initially. It's a few people that at that 203 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,880 time, you know, if at that time they're seen as a as a dangerous 204 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,520 minority and under dangerous underground culture. 205 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,480 And usually it used to be youth. Now it's sort of the the youth 206 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,160 are not necessarily that were represented in, in, in the in 207 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,040 the awakening, but it's done it before. 208 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,480 So the group starts to produce things which are then then then 209 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,880 seem cool because they're against the grain, they're 210 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:18,000 against the sort of the average mediocre production over that 211 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,080 time. And they're quite cool. 212 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,360 And that kind of coolness becomes attractive. 213 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,120 It becomes exciting and, and, and then suddenly the whole 214 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,240 masses want to be that and they start dressing like them, they 215 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,000 start listening. So I don't think this has 216 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,680 happened yet on our side, but I don't think we should 217 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,320 underestimate that that is potentially like one of the 218 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:46,280 strongest areas to to use if we can to our advantage, at least 219 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,880 to claw back some territory. And you know the reason, The 220 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,280 reason is probably quite basic, which is the again, the Ashe 221 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,560 experiments conformity, at least in the UK, everyone in the arts 222 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,880 is glued to like the Guardian. That's the only thing they read. 223 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,680 Everything else is sort of the enemies news, you know, like X. 224 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,000 It's like, you know, X. You don't even talk about X. 225 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,960 It's like just and you know, Telegram, Telegram is some 226 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,680 weirds, you know, Russian paddle doer of conspiracy theorists. 227 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:21,800 And X is like Elon Musk, who's now now the demon because he 228 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,800 helped Trump. So you just go to this guardian 229 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,640 world or Instagram where everything is kind of phased 230 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,560 out. And then you see what's, what do 231 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,760 other people say? And you just go along with it to 232 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,800 the point that actually I went, I was at, I went with, to lunch 233 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,440 with Eric on on Monday, I think last week. 234 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,120 And, and I, I think went into a very nice restaurant. 235 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,160 But you know, he was, I think he, he noticed that when he came 236 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,280 in even before me. And then I noticed, I'm not sure 237 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,840 they were that happy that we were there. 238 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,360 Like they knew who, who he was. Don't know if they knew who I 239 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,280 was, but I got the sense that you kind of have a sense where 240 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,200 the other times people look very excited that, you know, Eric 241 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,200 will walk in. But I almost had a sense and it 242 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,920 was a very cool place young. So I almost got the sense they 243 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,960 meant maybe still on the on the programme, which is that for 244 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:22,640 some reason someone who spoke about his, the deterioration of 245 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,360 his condition, his physical condition after the the 246 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:35,160 AstraZeneca inject vaccine, who talked about it publicly to me 247 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:43,320 on on on paper and on camera is somehow condemned by that kind 248 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,760 of media or that kind of world at that time. 249 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,080 And they hadn't obviously not they have not thought it 250 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,840 through. They just think, OK, you are 251 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,880 associated to, to this and that. And I think there's there's 252 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,720 still a lot of that going on, a lot of like, but hold on a 253 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,480 minute. But have you thought it through? 254 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,800 You're thinking that someone who's talking about their own 255 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:09,440 experience, medical experience is somehow not is somehow a bad 256 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,400 person? It's like because again, the 257 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,440 group think the the group thing is still is still quite strong. 258 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,920 But as you said, I think people don't want to, don't really want 259 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,720 to go there like before. At the time you felt people were 260 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,960 fighting you. They were like, you know, you 261 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,920 said something, they would just jump at you. 262 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,440 At the moment, if we say anything about that, it's just 263 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,440 going to be total silence. They're fine. 264 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,920 Have you noticed what's funny? In 20, 2021-2022, everybody 265 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,360 spoke about getting jabbed and they were very open about being 266 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,320 vaccinated. Now if you ask anything to do 267 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,920 with the COVID jab, it's like it's, it's my right to, to, to 268 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,800 say nothing. Who are you to ask me questions 269 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,000 like that? Yeah. 270 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,200 So, so I had also stopped, but now there's been, you know, the, 271 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,720 the, I think the worth of Claire Craig, I think she's doing a 272 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,359 court case perhaps because of the UK health agency not 273 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,480 releasing the data that that would indicate whether there is 274 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,960 some kind of correlation between the time of injection of the 275 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,119 COVID injections and excess deaths. 276 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,720 They used to publish this data and then suddenly they stopped. 277 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,280 And now this data would be quite important to show whether there 278 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,120 is a correlation, whether after people get injected, there's 279 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,600 more deaths. After people got injected, 280 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,000 actually they said there were more deaths. 281 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:46,120 And so now they have pressed the government for that and they 282 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:48,720 said no, we're not releasing this data because it could upset 283 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,160 people if they were to sort of see some potential link between 284 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,520 the two that, you know, it's like it's against the interest 285 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,440 of the public because the public sort of could destabilise the 286 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,760 public. That's the official answer. 287 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,520 But that's been published on the Daily Telegraph. 288 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:06,840 Now. None of the artists are going to 289 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,040 go and look at that because it's not on The Guardian. 290 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,240 None of the sort of creators would look at that. 291 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,200 But still, I'm sharing it. I'm sharing it again. 292 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,280 And if I'd share something like that a few years ago, I would 293 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,440 get like hounded by all of these comments and all of these 294 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,080 things. And now there's just complete 295 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,160 total silence from the other side. 296 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,000 So, so yeah. So it's either removed for 297 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,920 psychological reasons or again, it's not they sense they're on 298 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,840 on the weak side. So they're just not not going to 299 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:46,400 show up because it's sort of they it what they say could be 300 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,600 interpreted as they become conspiracy theorists. 301 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,480 By the way, I don't know if you've seen it yet, but there's 302 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,280 a good take on this, whether it's, I think it may be 303 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,480 conscious in the film, the latest film by LAN Timos called 304 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,160 Begonia. I don't think it's not sure if 305 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:08,880 it's out yet, but I think it's it's worth a watch because at 306 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,800 the beginning, you see, I didn't know what was going to happen. 307 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,800 I'm not going to say the plot, but the main character, Emma 308 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,200 Stone, she's the head of a kind of big pharma company. 309 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,920 And then you've got two people who are like conspiracy 310 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,320 theorists and they are the exact stereotype of the conspiracy 311 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,760 theorist living in his mum's basement and, you know, kind of 312 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:32,720 what's. It sorry, what's it called 313 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,960 again? Bugonia. 314 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,240 Bugonia, I'm having a quick look. 315 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,760 Carry on. BUGONIA And so you got these 316 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,240 conspiracy theorists and they are the exact sort of kind of 317 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,160 archetype of the, of the sort of dispreditative view of 318 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,480 conspiracy theorists that are not doing anything with, with 319 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,520 their lies. They're totally removed from 320 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,120 rationality, you know, so you stick through all of that. 321 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:02,160 And, and I had asked sort of people who had seen it, like 322 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,520 people who were probably not awake about what they said. 323 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,440 And they said, oh, it's just really mad. 324 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,160 It's really crazy. And then I watched it and, and, 325 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,560 and it's a little bit painful when you see these these 326 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,920 stereotypes, but then there's a twist at the end. 327 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,880 Which I'm not going to say, but the twist at the end in a way 328 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,280 makes you wonder whether that was all intentional to take 329 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,160 people to this place of comfort of their views and then just to 330 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,480 turn it upside down at the very end. 331 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,640 So a normal person will say is just a mad feel, but someone 332 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,240 who's been living through, you know, 2019 to now says, well, 333 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,160 that's a very clever way of planting that message at a 334 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,200 subconscious level in, in the majority of the population, 335 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,080 because this is this is going to be a very, a very popular film. 336 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,520 And that is like, in a way, you want to do it with what people 337 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,280 realising what you're doing. And I think they succeed at 338 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,080 that. Now, I suspect they're very 339 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,440 clever and it's intentional, but sometimes these things even 340 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,120 happen at other levels that people start to show messages 341 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,400 because they're channelling something bigger. 342 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,800 They may not even be aware, but I think they're clever enough to 343 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,160 have had. This is a very, very good 344 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,880 observation that you made because it's exactly the same 345 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,800 observation that I made about an Apple movie. 346 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:24,360 So I have been wondering, Robin, if there are people like us, 347 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,920 quote unquote, in Hollywood who are too afraid to speak out 348 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,960 because of what the way Hollywood is and the only way 349 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,360 they can do it is by, as you say, planting seeds. 350 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,040 And especially if it can challenge, Yeah, this is, I 351 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,240 mean, in a way, this is what, especially in the 70s, which was 352 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,480 a time of similar time to to the high inflation basically, you 353 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,960 know, devaluing of currencies. There was also, you know, 354 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:58,040 friends of mine reminded me in Italy that there was a lockdown. 355 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,520 People don't remember, but there was a national lockdown to save 356 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,720 petrol, to save gas because of the oil gas crisis. 357 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,960 So people were told by the government you shouldn't be 358 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,160 driving. So that so we already had 359 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,000 lockdowns in that in that respect, we again, we forgot. 360 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,440 But you know, you had films like Soylent Green, you had a lot of 361 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,200 sort of sci Fi's which were really kind of scratching the 362 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,880 surface of what was really happening. 363 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,680 And and that was, you know, a lot of them were American, some 364 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,360 of them are sort of Hollywood related. 365 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,800 So there is a history of trying to get this through to the 366 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:37,680 masses in this kind of way. And I think in a way that's 367 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,280 where you succeed. It's the film and music that go 368 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,840 that it's not only watched by that three out of 10, but it 369 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,480 ends up being watched by those 7 out of 10. 370 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,040 And that's where the ideas are formed and and created that can 371 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,560 actually swing this. And I think in a way, when I say 372 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,120 this, I mean, I know you're sort of quite artistically minded as 373 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,880 well. But when I say it to people who 374 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,920 are not, I can get different responses. 375 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,040 One of them may be just sort of total blank. 376 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,600 They don't really see how this has anything to do with 377 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,320 anything. This is just sort of in a way, 378 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,600 kind of decoration. And the real issue instead is 379 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,680 like political. And this has got nothing to do 380 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,400 with anything. And then the other one is 381 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,080 there's a sort of slight tap on the back, like, well done for 382 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,920 doing that, but there's no support or understanding. 383 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:35,640 Now I've been, you know, as I've worked sort of in the arts all 384 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,560 my life, I've seen instead what happens when you do something 385 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:46,280 which reinforces the other view, which at this, you know, at some 386 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,760 stage people called the left. Now we know it's not the left, 387 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,400 but, you know, let's, let's let's say it was the left. 388 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,640 When anyone does anything which is slightly, even slightly 389 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,680 political on that side, you get so much support. 390 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,520 You get people really everyone really supporting you, everyone 391 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,280 helping you out. And whatever you produce is 392 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,480 going to be amplified like a million times because it's got a 393 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,280 slight political edge. But on our side of the fence, 394 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,400 you don't get anything. And I think that's one of the 395 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,000 biggest weakness on our side. I wouldn't call it right or 396 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,160 left. I would call it awake and 397 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,960 asleep. You know, sort of the, the 398 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,720 asleep that thinks, think they are awake because they support 399 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,880 the alleged fate. Left, whatever they do gets held 400 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,720 by all their peers, all the industry, all the the public 401 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,440 figures, all the influences and all that because they feel 402 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,120 they're sharing some kind of political angle. 403 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,840 We share a political angle. You and I do something, a 404 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,760 cartoon, a song, a film or something like that, and you 405 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,760 just get a mild, yeah, well done. 406 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,760 That's it. That's not gonna, that's not 407 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,240 gonna be enough to balance out what they're doing. 408 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,160 That's that's what, that's kind of what my point is. 409 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,080 So if we are not, if it's not making a difference, partially 410 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,480 it's to do because we're not supporting each other. 411 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,840 And all we're supporting is one form of cultural production, 412 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:19,040 which is important, which is the podcast and the podcast of, I 413 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,280 don't know, Candace Owens or Joe Rogan or Taka cats. 414 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,760 But the other side, the non awake are never going to watch 415 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,400 any of that. They're going to see Candace 416 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,520 Simmons, they're going to switch it off. 417 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,760 They're going to see Joe Rogan and they're going to think it's 418 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,880 the devil. They're going to see Taka cats 419 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,480 and they're going to think no way. 420 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,800 So it's not going to cross the boundary. 421 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,320 It's going to do a lot for our side, for people who are 422 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,360 undecided, but it's not going to be so broad. 423 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,960 And, and when we do things that potentially could be broad, we 424 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,680 don't get any support from our, from our own side, which I think 425 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:57,800 is, is a biggest weakness and partially may be related to this 426 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,160 very analytical mind. Because, you know, at some stage 427 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,320 we figured out intuitively that we were being taken for a ride, 428 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:11,440 you know, in 9/11, 2019-2020. But then what, what we what 429 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,720 really confirmed this was the analytical mind that started 430 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,320 looking, OK, what happened in history? 431 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,120 What happened at that building? What happened in we do. 432 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,440 How big are, if viruses? Viruses are, are what is 433 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,920 transmitted? How big are they? 434 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,880 What, how, what's the whole what's gap in a mask? 435 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,920 How is this replica, you know, what are what is the sort of 436 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,360 what is it called the sort of the death rate of flu? 437 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:38,800 What is the death rate of the hold on a minute? 438 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,360 There's not not a huge difference. 439 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,640 What age do people that oh, they die when they're one or two 440 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,200 years higher than the average death death rate in that kind. 441 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,440 So you start to figure out analytically, and the problem is 442 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,520 that that analytical mind, what we've seen is whenever you 443 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,120 present it to someone who isn't emotionally ready, it's just 444 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,960 going to be blank. So we only convinced ourselves 445 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,680 ultimately and the other mind, the other mind can do more. 446 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,360 So, So on one level, what I, what I'm saying to myself is 447 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,080 like, if I don't know if I'm going to have to be living like 448 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,640 this for the rest of my life in this state of constant, you 449 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,560 know, kind of objection to, to increasing tyranny. 450 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,040 Or if at some stage it's going to be so bad I won't be able to 451 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,120 speak. But for as long as I as I can 452 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:29,120 speak, I'd like to do it with a slight, with a slight smile on 453 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:33,000 my face, maybe even if it's dark humour, to enjoy it to some 454 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,560 extent. Because otherwise you're gonna 455 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,920 end up getting diseases. If you're always stressed out, 456 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,400 get disease. And part of the enjoyment is to 457 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,760 make it a little bit creative and not to be that face which 458 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,520 says it's all guys, it's happening. 459 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,560 The moment that I've been talking to you about is 460 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,080 happening now and we have to resist. 461 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,400 In fact, we all know that. But how do you have a good life? 462 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,400 Enjoy your life, but at the same time create as many problems as 463 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,760 you can for the other side with a smile on your face. 464 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,640 That's what that's how I would like to do it. 465 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,120 You've just created my Segway, so you Speaking of creativity 466 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:12,200 and entertainment and with a smile on your face, you sent me 467 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,800 two videos which I'm very happy to play. 468 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,120 I'm pretty certain that they're not going to get flagged for any 469 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,840 copyright issues. Tell me more about the 2 videos. 470 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000 We'll challenge them. We'll challenge them if they do 471 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,200 that because, you know, you know, with the sort of all these 472 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,840 algorithms, you never know what they do. 473 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:35,040 Yeah. So we've got, I started working 474 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:42,800 with Thomas Atlas, who's a singer songwriter who he also 475 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,200 played Sounds Beautiful festival in the UK this summer. 476 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,400 And, and he contacted me, I think he had seen the work I had 477 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,440 done as a lyricist with Eric Clapton. 478 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:59,360 And he's a big Clapton fan. He knows all of his work. 479 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,000 And so he contacted me because he had an idea about doing 480 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,000 something which was to do about people being fooled. 481 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,960 And, and I just sort of started working on it and working on the 482 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,160 lyrics. And, you know, I kind of 483 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,080 listened to the rift to, to a little bit of the tune and, and 484 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,840 we started working something that that could go with it. 485 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,800 And then he would sort of adapt it a little bit for the song. 486 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,720 And then in the end, the song has is out now. 487 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:34,600 It's called Fooling Me. And, and yeah, it's about, I 488 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,200 guess it's a little bit with a smile on the face about this 489 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,360 experience of having all of these things that they keep on 490 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,920 throwing at us. And, and then having a sense 491 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,000 that actually it's like, you know, you got to be joking. 492 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,000 It's like, you see the Olympics, you know, you got to be joking. 493 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,520 You see that what they're saying about climate. 494 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,920 And then they're saying, oh, we're going to sort of spend all 495 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,880 of our budget in making weapons out of like, you know, 496 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,640 explosives and steel, but then you're meant to be driving about 497 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,440 you got to be joking. So all the contradictions and, 498 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:19,680 and, and I'm putting it in a song which can potentially jump 499 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:25,280 a little bit across to the other side because it's done in a good 500 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,320 spirit. It I think it's got a good 501 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,840 energy, good music. And it's not over. 502 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,240 It's not, it's not done in an alarming way. 503 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,240 Like, you know, it can be done in an alarming way with like 504 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,000 sort of death metal kind of really, you know, and I'm not 505 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,160 saying that that's not a good form of music, people who like 506 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,280 it, but it's not it's going to just scare people who are not 507 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,360 not ready. Whereas if you do it with a bit 508 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,320 of a sort of, you know, in this case, there's a bit of a guitar 509 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,840 riff, it's bluesy, it's a little bit sort of fun. 510 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,080 It can be, it can be more fun for other people to sit through 511 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,800 and then to ask the question, well, maybe, maybe we are being 512 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,240 fooled in some ways. Well. 513 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,720 You can chat to me about the second one after this. 514 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,720 Let me see if I can get this to play. 515 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,920 I love that ending, I love that ending. 516 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,640 I love that sort of double time at the end. 517 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,320 So what was your involvement with that song? 518 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,520 Did you write it? With this one, I wrote the 519 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,160 lyrics. Thomas came up with the idea and 520 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,120 Sam the guitarist came up with the riff. 521 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,280 The rest of the band did a good job musically outstanding. 522 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,200 And yeah, I think they had they had the music. 523 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,680 They had the the concept and the music. 524 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,680 And I put the words into fit with that. 525 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:33,360 It's so good, Robin and. Yeah, I think it's good and and. 526 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,000 Where was it formed? Where was it formed? 527 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,920 In a? In a library. 528 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,360 It's filmed in a small record shop. 529 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,920 Well, the size you can see in a record shop in Birmingham, OK. 530 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,520 Sorry in a. Real record shop with vinyl with 531 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,720 vinyl all around. Like, you know, a quite a 532 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,800 historical record shop in in Birmingham. 533 00:36:53,480 --> 00:37:01,360 Now, if if a song of equivalent, I guess creativity, you know, 534 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,880 lyrics quality or something like that had been done, let's say, 535 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:13,560 for the other side, whether if it was maybe making fun of, I 536 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,440 don't know, making fun of conspiracy theorists or I don't 537 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,760 know, whatever the you know, what they really like. 538 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,320 I'm not going to say like anti Trump because that's almost too 539 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,280 obvious. But if it was done something 540 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:30,200 like this would be would really be known by everyone already. 541 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,680 It's doing well. You know, people, people are 542 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,800 watching it from all parts of the world. 543 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,600 We weren't really sure whether it would raise like objections 544 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,560 to it because of the lyrics. But I think because it's not 545 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,120 because it's not aggressive in the way it's done in the in the 546 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,160 lyrics too. It kind of points at things, but 547 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,840 it doesn't sort of start to sort of condemn in such a direct way. 548 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,040 In that way. I think most people who have 549 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,320 seen it who are not political haven't really. 550 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,240 I think only apparently only one person I said, oh, it's a bit 551 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,080 too political for me, but one out of sort of thousands. 552 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,560 I think most people are accepting it and seeing the fun. 553 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,560 And even publications which have music publications that have 554 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,280 covered it have said, you know, it's quite, it's quite witty and 555 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,440 things like that. They haven't said, oh, it's like 556 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,680 a conspiracy theories or something like that. 557 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,640 So I think it's, it's working this, this fine line quite well 558 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,320 of being, being sort of against the system, but not not being 559 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,400 confrontational in such a way that people get alienated. 560 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,160 Or maybe the music is, is, is, is so good that people can't 561 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,600 just react in such a sort of fearful way because they, they 562 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,840 are warmed up by the musical aspect of it. 563 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,720 But, but again, I think something like this, if it was 564 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:59,320 for, for, for the sort of a sleep side, they'd be sort of, 565 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,920 you know, they'd be really help helping it through a lot more 566 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,240 than I think our side would be doing or, or is doing all the. 567 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,360 And I think now it's, it's, I think it's, it's been listened 568 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,920 to a lot of people across the board. 569 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,320 It's not just the three out of 10 who are listening to this. 570 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:25,200 And yeah, so I think I think that it may also be that that we 571 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:32,440 need to get in in a even even more below the radar way, like 572 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,120 even like do a song which is not political at all. 573 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,600 So I'm, I'm now we are thinking with Thomas to do a sort of a 574 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,480 kind of Christmassy song. So to to really get in, get, get 575 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,400 in below the radar, do something which is not political. 576 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,120 So you get these people warm up with you as just an artist and a 577 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,760 lyricist working with the lyricist. 578 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,680 Do that, get them to feel comfortable with that. 579 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,520 And then throw once in a while something. 580 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,240 So not just do not just do the sort of kind of against the 581 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,440 system songs, but do a bit of a mix so that people feel 582 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,280 comfortable. But on occasion you throw some 583 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,480 message there. I think maybe this is what we're 584 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,840 going to try next. Well, I mean, that's also a very 585 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,200 good strategy. A lot of musicians do that. 586 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,320 They will just just have normal, normal stuff. 587 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,880 And then here and there they'll, they'll drop in, you know, a few 588 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,240 seeds that will grow in the mind of the of the listener. 589 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:31,400 And that's also a great strategy too, because not everybody likes 590 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:37,240 in your face. Yeah, I think you're right. 591 00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:41,240 And I think that's probably the next, the next step to start 592 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:44,960 doing things which really people let their guard down because 593 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,000 it's not political at all and get sort of close our way back 594 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,720 to the cultural sphere a little bit more like that. 595 00:40:52,720 --> 00:41:00,200 I think that's that's, that's probably what we're doing next. 596 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,480 I've got another song here from you called Shackles on Me. 597 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:14,280 Yeah, so The Shackles on Me is a song that was composed by Jimmy 598 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,560 Vaughan and that was composed actually quite a while back in 599 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,560 the early 2000s. Because with this thing about 600 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,160 the the ID and the the sort of controlling everyone, obviously 601 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,360 it's been around for a while. And then they come back with 602 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,160 another wave a little bit like with the whole kind of, you 603 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,400 know, like influenza or COVID, you know, it's like every so 604 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,600 many years. What was the other one that they 605 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,120 had tried before with the Tamiflu And that was was it. 606 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,840 I can't remember what it what, what was that? 607 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,480 The sort of the first attempt, another attempt. 608 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,960 But anyways, it's like, it's the same with all of this kind of ID 609 00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:59,920 issues. That was another wave. 610 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,280 And so Jimmy Vonna created this song in the US in a way to 611 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:09,480 resist that and his lyrics. He had national ID and, and I 612 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:17,240 came across this song and I mean, Jimmy is, is, is plays 613 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:21,480 with Eric when Eric plays in the US And I had listened to it and 614 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,800 Eric had made me listen to another version of it. 615 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,640 And I said to Thomas, well, why don't have you considered 616 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,760 covering this song? Now we've got this digital ID. 617 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,840 We'll just change your words to digital ID. 618 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,920 But it's the song is pretty much there. 619 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,560 You can do your own version. And he said, well, that sounds 620 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,200 quite a challenge, which I'd like to take on. 621 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,240 And so I then so well, let's let's just make sure he's happy 622 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:50,680 with Jimmy Vaughn is happy if we change digital ID. 623 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,080 So through Eric, Eric asked Jimmy and Jimmy said, that's 624 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,160 that's why I did that's why I wrote the song exactly for what 625 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,800 you want to use it for. So he was happy for for to take 626 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,960 it on. And so so Thomas using pretty 627 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,960 much Jimmy's song and just this change that I suggested digital 628 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,560 ID recorded his version. So updated it to the situation 629 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,040 now that we're in, we're in now really. 630 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:22,840 And and again, it's partially because I think a lot of people 631 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,960 don't realise that the the potential gravity of the digital 632 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,040 ID situations. This is a way to that. 633 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,520 I tried especially putting this on Instagram to get people to 634 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,320 think oh OK maybe there is an issue. 635 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,320 Sheesh Robin, that is next level professional. 636 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:40,160 His voice, the guitar playing, the tone of that Fender and the 637 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,560 lyrics, it's just so well put together. 638 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:50,400 Yeah, he, he, he said he got that take about 4:00 AM in the 639 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:56,320 morning after having gone to the studio about 4:00 PM and just 640 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,320 setting everything up by himself. 641 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,000 And you know, this is what one, one man and his voice and his 642 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,160 guitar and and a composition can can do. 643 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,520 Yeah, but you can hear, you can hear that level of 644 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,280 professionalism. It's so, so good. 645 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,200 Yeah, he's got a great voice and he he's a great guitar player 646 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,920 and. And I see he's not. 647 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,960 He's not even playing with a plectrum, he's just using his 648 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,560 fingers. Yeah. 649 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:35,200 And in the next, I think in the next one, if it comes together, 650 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,840 he'd be playing all the instruments. 651 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,360 He, he will play all the instruments. 652 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,680 That's how you know you're a musician. 653 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,600 You know the old joke, though, about a drummer You know, you 654 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,360 know, you know the whole thing about drummer is not being 655 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,440 musicians. Go ahead. 656 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,920 I can't remember the joke, but no, but I've, I've, I've ruined 657 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,640 it now because I said that drummers are musicians, but this 658 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,120 is, there's apparently this whole sort of thing within the 659 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,720 music industry that you have the band and then the guy that hangs 660 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:10,040 out with the band is the drummer. 661 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,880 Well, if you, if you, if you take some, you know, like some 662 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:24,160 songs I don't know, like I don't know which ones, but let's say 663 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:30,920 if you take some cream songs with Ginger Baker and or even 664 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:37,360 some songs that I don't know, that's some Derek and the 665 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,200 Dominoes or Eric Clapton Derek Dominoes, period. 666 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:46,080 You isolate the drums and you just listen to the drums. 667 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,520 It's amazing, you know, to, to listen to like a song just from 668 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,280 a good drama, just from the drums. 669 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,760 It's an amazing experience because, because, because we 670 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,280 tune out of it, usually we just, we just keep the keep the beat 671 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,000 with the drama, but we really go melodic. 672 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,520 We listen to the voice, we listen to the melodic guitar, 673 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,760 the bass sort of moves a little bit, but we don't, we just sort 674 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,640 of feel it but don't really focus on it. 675 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:16,520 But when you end up focusing on it, it's incredible. 676 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,480 What? What you know the kind of thing 677 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,840 that that that a drumming energy can do? 678 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,320 John Bonham was one of the greatest drummers. 679 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,600 Yeah. So I think, I think it's, you 680 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,800 know, it's, that's the great thing about a band. 681 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,120 You know when when it all comes together and you know everyone 682 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,240 is, everyone is participating and adding. 683 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,720 Robin something that really upset me during the COVID era 684 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:51,840 was how few musicians actually took a stand. 685 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:59,000 Yeah, I mean the establishment learnt a lot from the war in 686 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,320 Vietnam. They learnt from the war itself 687 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,600 that if you're going to do fight a war, you want people from 688 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,520 another country to to die, not not your own people. 689 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,480 So they've learnt that, you know, drafting people up is is 690 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,680 not, is not popular measure. If you can convince another 691 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,000 nation to fight it for you, that's a much better strategy. 692 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,280 So whenever they think of a war now, they think, OK, who can we 693 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,840 get to fight who and not not sort of send our own own people 694 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,960 because that's unpopular. Not that they don't want to do 695 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,160 that. They'd rather kill them with 696 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,840 with something else. Not, not, not at war. 697 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:43,320 And then they also learnt the potential power of a young, 698 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:50,200 young mind that's musical, musical that can create this 699 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,440 youthful musical spirit with rebellious lyrics to it. 700 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,320 They learnt that that if that happens, it's almost unstoppable 701 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,360 unless you actually kill them. And you know, if we know like 702 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,800 the leaders of all of that, how many of them ended up being 703 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,720 killed in suspicious circumstances or dying in 704 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:14,600 relatively suspicious, suspicious like very rare 705 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:19,920 diseases or like alleged binges. Now we don't know if that the 706 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,520 binge was the reason or not. But anyways, we know how many. 707 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,600 And so I think the establishment learnt that you have to control, 708 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:30,120 you have to control the musical production. 709 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:37,520 And so in some ways you can't allow unvetted young creative 710 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:42,680 people in and you can't let them have a platform that's natural. 711 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:49,880 So the algorithm is deciding now who, who listens to what and if 712 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,200 the, if the band is safe, the algorithm was sort of let's them 713 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,960 being heard. And if the band is not really 714 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,240 known, not potentially say, you know, it has to be vetted that 715 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:01,440 way. So I think the people who we we 716 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,280 heard had been vet, you know, maybe they were rebels 60 years 717 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,560 ago, but this rebellious spirit is a youthful energy. 718 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,240 Ultimately, it's a rebellion against the, the, the older 719 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:17,840 generation and, and the youth has been controlled now through 720 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,320 the, the mobile phone, through the smartphone and the social 721 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,520 media apps that they're using now, whether it's now, whatever 722 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,440 it is now, Snapchat, whatever it is ticked off. 723 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,800 But they're being sort of controlled through that. 724 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:38,960 And so they probably don't, don't have this unfiltered youth 725 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,400 network. What they're seeing has already 726 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,360 been filtered by the algorithm. And you know, the older 727 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,400 generation, they've got too much to lose. 728 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,120 Also, you know, like in general, all all these rock stars, if 729 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,760 they have not been the most monogamous people on the planet. 730 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:02,040 And so they don't want whatever, whatever set up they have now 731 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,000 emotional set up, family set up. They don't want it to be torn 732 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,200 about by whatever revelation would come the day after they 733 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,080 opposed the vaccine. They'll be, oh, hold on a 734 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,280 minute. What's that photo? 735 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,120 What's that? What's that affair there? 736 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,360 What's that? You know, what's is that child, 737 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,280 your child? You know, they, they, they've 738 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,640 got all of these skeletons in their closet from their private 739 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,360 lives that they, they know very well that the moment they 740 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,400 actually said. So it's easier for them to just 741 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,720 go along with it. Whereas someone who's 19/20/21, 742 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,160 they don't, you know, they don't, they haven't gotten 743 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,360 married yet. They don't have this sense that 744 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,400 they, they will upset like children and grandchildren by 745 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,160 knowing what they've done when they were a little bit younger. 746 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,880 So it's much easier in a way to control people who have already 747 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,920 done a lot of bad things than than a youthful energy. 748 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,920 And the youthful energy is being controlled by the algorithm and 749 00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,960 by by whatever they're being shown and by the public 750 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,240 perception. Because in a way, the lead we 751 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:07,120 saw leadership in people who were slightly older. 752 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:11,920 We haven't seen much leadership in that youthful generation. 753 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,440 That was during COVID. I think we're, I'm seeing now a 754 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,120 younger generation, one that actually lived through maybe the 755 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,680 lockdown and at the time went along with it because they were 756 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,760 too young to, to do anything. But now has a sense, hold on a 757 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,160 minute, that was all a load of rubbish. 758 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,200 The world we live in is full of, of a load of rubbish. 759 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,760 And I'm aware of it. And I'm not never going to be 760 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,160 that person that's blinded to think everything is fine, that 761 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,040 we've just got people in authority that are trying their 762 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,200 best. And, you know, so I think 763 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,360 there's a whole chunk of of people who are coming out of the 764 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,640 lockdown who maybe are not saying anything yet, but they're 765 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,560 not going to fall in this kind of stupor and this kind of 766 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,160 sleepiness that we had throughout all the whole Obama 767 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,040 period and beyond where we all where a lot of people thought 768 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,440 everything is fine. We've got great leaders and 769 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,080 everything. And those people just need they, 770 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,000 they just need a little bit of a nudge, that's all. 771 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,920 Yeah, I think those people needed a little bit of a nudge. 772 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,400 They sort of aware things were not that great. 773 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:25,080 They saw also the whole October 7th situation and even if they 774 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:30,160 never said anything, they, they sort of could see that the, the 775 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,400 official version did not correspond to the real events. 776 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,120 The reaction did not did not justify, was not justified by 777 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,560 the alleged course of events. And so they know that all of 778 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,920 that was manufactured as well, but they didn't say anything in 779 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,400 COVID then they're not going to jump into that openly because 780 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,200 they're still trying to create their own. 781 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,880 But they know, they know that that there's been a constant 782 00:55:53,880 --> 00:56:00,160 series of situations that we're being LED through and being at 783 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,920 some stage they'll be able to to join us because we need them. 784 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,360 Time is against us. OK, so for those who want to 785 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:16,160 follow you, how can they? OK, Well, I'm active and mainly, 786 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,840 well, mainly a couple of platforms. 787 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:26,600 One of them is X and my handle is Robin Monotti with two TS and 788 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,520 the other one is Telegram and the the handle of the channel is 789 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:37,840 that Robin MG And then also, I think musical stuff come out on 790 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,320 Instagram and again, handle is Robin Monotti. 791 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,000 That's that's more musical with that occasional peppering of of 792 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,640 other things, because I find that actually the other the 793 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,120 platforms like X are not again, they're not that artist 794 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,520 friendly, like songs don't go that far. 795 00:56:54,520 --> 00:57:00,080 So so in some ways I'm using the enemies platforms, especially 796 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,440 like when it comes to music, But I think we in a way we have to 797 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,720 do that if we want to talk to the other side as well. 798 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:10,040 I know people that will never go and anything but they may still 799 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,560 look at Instagram so. Robert Munnotti, thank you for 800 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,080 joining me in the trenches. Thank. 801 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,120 Thank you for having me on. Good to see you.