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Good afternoon. 
It's Friday the 5th of September

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2025, just after 1:00. 
Welcome to UK called News. 

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I'm your host, Mike Robinson. 
Mike host today is Brian Garish 

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once again this week. 
This is amazing, Brian. 

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It's a delight and a pleasure to
be here, Mike. 

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Joining us via live link is Mark
Anderson from the United States.

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Later in the programme, Mark's 
going to be reporting on the 

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latest from the global 
Parliament of Mayors and I'm 

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going to be taking a look at the
expansion of AI driven 

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surveillance in the UK and 
globally. 

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But we'll begin today with, 
well, Tony Radican, our ex, my 

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ex Chief of the Defence Staff. 
What man? 

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This is correct and I suppose I 
should apologise to the audience

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because it's a bit like putting 
Tony Blair up on the screen. 

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But of course this is the man of
the moment. 

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I just wanted to recap. 
The BBC is now grabbing him 

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because he's out to the job and 
we want to do some analysis on 

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his comments. 
But first of all, this is a 

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Telegraph article, I think this 
is 2021, where it says Tony 

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Radican, the state school 
educated boy. 

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That's an appropriate word from 
Oldham who has quote, changed 

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how the Navy works. 
Now we've already covered this 

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another UK call them news 
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And that is that of course the 
RN suffering absolutely critical

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breakdown shortage of ships and 
the ships that they've got, many

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of them can't go to sea. 
And yet that this man is being 

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praised and feted as as 
effectively, the man who's been 

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running the war in Ukraine 
single handedly in his very 

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clean combat gear. 
So he changed how the Navy works

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by making it not work anymore. 
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Or at least if we say, well, it 
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Navy wasn't working when he was 
in the most powerful position. 

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Did he focus on the Navy and 
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Absolutely not. 
Because he's been parading on 

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the international stage in his 
combat gear, supposedly making 

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out that he knows how to run a 
war on the scale that's going on

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in Ukraine. 
What did he do to get those 

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medals, Brian? 
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he's been in a job where he's 
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people. 
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rumoured that his friendship 
with Boris Johnson helped him 

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actually get into the senior 
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So I'm going to say in the right
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And then you get the medals 
because clearly he's never, he's

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never put his life on the line 
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So he didn't get them from the 
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Possibly. 
Possibly. 

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Let's have a look at this short 
interview with the BBC. 

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And we're going to make quite a 
long comment on it. 

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This war has been a disaster for
Russia. 

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Putin wanted less NATO. 
He's got more NATO. 

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We've grown from 30 nations to 
32 nations. 

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Putin originally thought that he
would subjugate Ukraine in days,

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if not weeks. 
That's clearly not the case. 

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It's it's, it's a facile 
description, but it's a really 

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important one. 
If a snail had left Rostov on 

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Don in Russia on the 24th of 
February 2022, by now it would 

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have crossed all the way through
Ukraine and it will be halfway 

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through Poland. 
That's how difficult Russia is 

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finding it just to get those 
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If Russia carries on at the pace
that it currently is, it will 

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take it 4.4 years to get the 
remaining territory in those 

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four O blasts, and having lost a
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wounded, it will lose a further 
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wounded. 
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About Ukraine's bravery, 
Ukraine's courage, our support 

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to Ukraine to keep them in the 
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I, I find this absolutely 
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Like this. 
This man is pure. 

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Ali's also not giving the public
the truth. 

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Maybe he doesn't know, but 
essentially these little stories

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we've shown previous video clips
of him playing with coloured 

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pencils and maps on the wall. 
Apparently this gets him very 

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excited to do with the trade 
routes around the globe and and 

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now he's talking about snails. 
This man is not in the real 

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world, but so let's just pop a 
little bit of hard comment up on

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the screen because this is where
he started off with in in the 

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interview. 
This war has been a disaster for

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Russia. 
Putin wanted less NATO. 

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He has got more NATO. 
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somewhat different. 
We've got NATO that's a complete

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broken mess at the moment so 
that you can the EU component of

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begging for continued US support
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Because the truth has always 
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there's no effective NATO. 
And this is freely available. 

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This fact is freely available if
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and the the American and the 
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So this is pure propaganda that 
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starting with. 
But let's have a look at in a 

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bit more detail at key points. 
And as I just said, there's 

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there's quite a few of these, 
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through in some detail. 
So at no stage did Russia 

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declare or plan for an invasion,
a full invasion of Ukraine with 

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a view to occupying the whole 
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This is a comment that's been 
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is repeating. 
There is absolutely no substance

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for it. 
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that the size of Ukraine 
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the case. 
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across, Mike, thank you. 
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average size depending what 
source you go to, 603,000 square

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kilometres, and in 2022 Russia 
simply did not have the troops 

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to fully invade Ukraine. 
So it's nonsense to state this 

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and the Russians didn't, sorry. 
In contrast, the Russians did 

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state and actually enact the 
objective of military 

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intervention into Ukraine to 
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counter Ukraine attacks on 
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Donbas and the continued NATO 
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NATO itself. 
And of course, it was Boris 

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Johnson who was one of the key 
figures that disrupted the peace

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discussions in Istanbul in order
to make sure that this war 

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continued. 
So of course, Ranekin doesn't 

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want to tell the public about 
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If we go on, Russia has 
successfully mobilised what was 

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a small defensive Western army, 
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Russia has to deal with its 
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borders. 
That army, 200 two 120,000, now 

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increased to what many believe 
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It's done all this while 
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which is not against the 
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it's a war that's backed fully 
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etcetera. 
This is a tremendous achievement

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in its own right. 
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we've got that Russia has 
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trained and equipped Ukrainian 
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western backed Ukrainian 
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This is all factual information 
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people who do their own 
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find this quite easy, easily. 
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Western press and UK press 
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hidden in plain sight. 
We'll also say that Russia has 

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taken control of 20% of Ukraine.
That equates to about 114,000, 

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well, 114 five, 100,000 square 
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50% of the total land area of 
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Plus they're gaining ground 
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So this is on a vast, vast 
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The West hasn't seen warfare 
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But what we've, what the 
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ground is truly remarkable. 
Now we will go on to say that 

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Russia's continue to outproduce 
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in shells, bombs, missiles and 
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Beg your pardon. 
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including I believe by Radican 
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to run shorter of munitions. 
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basically they were untrue. 
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technology that the Russians are
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battlefield. 
So we've got new missile 

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systems, including hypersonic 
missiles, and the West has no 

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defence against these missiles 
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And of course the failings of 
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US military system to develop 
these systems themselves and the

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countermeasures means that 
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false threats coming out of the 
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with the technology that Russia 
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Now, if we come on a slightly 
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themselves, Russia at the moment
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accurate aviation dropped heavy 
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That's up to 3000 kilogrammes 
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vast numbers. 
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So Ukrainian troops are being 
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or underground command shelters.
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what's being used against them. 
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numbers, the Russians are taking
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So this is the reality, which is
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is trying to tell us. 
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course, Russia has developed 
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not only wide battlefield 
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coordinated strategic attacks 
across Ukraine, both Eastern 

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Ukraine and Western Ukraine. 
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attacks absolutely getting 
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Western provided missile 
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So failure on the ground to 
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to these wild and puerile claims
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And in addition, we can go on, 
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ability to completely 
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warfare in a battlefield which 
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surveillance, not only by long 
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the UK in particular, but also 
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local surveillance by drones on 
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Despite all of this, which makes
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individual soldiers or small 
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And we've got to recognise that 
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of command and control and 
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plus information from drones. 
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heavy weapons support, which 
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artillery, but it also includes 
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missiles. 
This is a new form of warfare 

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that Russia has been dragged 
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clearly demonstrating that they 
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and win not only against Ukraine
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I noticed you've said on there, 
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But we were told by Radigan, by 
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the people around the Joint 
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going to be all about cyber and 
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This is a complete misreading of
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A complete misreading, Mike. 
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that the Russians have many, 
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high, highly trained and 
experienced these are hardened 

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battlefield troops in this type 
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So the idea that the West has 
the ability to step in and fight

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the Russians is actually 
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So where do we go from this? 
Let's move on through, because 

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Russia's ability to win on the 
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completely unaffected by the 
hyped Western Wunder weapons 

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which we had. 
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Challenger and Leopard tanks, 
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vehicles, these very expensive 
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These have been destroyed in 
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Russian attack drones. 
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which we heard week after week 
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We're going to change the whole 
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These barely got into the air 
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The few that did fly and others 
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So huge propaganda from the West
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Said that was going to happen, 
absolutely. 

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I did like, yeah. 
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Russia has demonstrated highly 
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control and the other thing it's
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give troops in platoon 
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the ability to call in fire 
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This again is a unique change on
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giving trust for individual 
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that they are going to use these
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from long range to do the job, 
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Ukrainians have been uneasy at 
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ability of the West to advise on
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ability to absorb battlefield 
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how to play with battlefield 
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The US, still frightened of its 
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and the Radican in the West, 
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Ukrainian casualties. 
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that report, is talking about 
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casualties A2 to three times 
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EU sanctions on Russia as a 
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Those have failed. 
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situation that through this war,
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sanction Russia while we've got 
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saying that essentially just 
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What this man is talking about, 
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We are supporting them to keep 
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to the last Ukrainian. 
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are never going to put 
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was here speaking on the streets
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job he was doing effectively for
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with Vance here, that he's 
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strained relationships with the 
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and the Ministry of Defence. 
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of the of the war in Ukraine at 
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Russia has the upper hand, which
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want the fighting to stop. 
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then on Wednesday our 
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for War, John Healey was in Kiev
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he announced that money raised 
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Sorry, he said raised, I say 
stolen, but that's beside the 

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point. 
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billion worth of weapons and 
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the UK on behalf of Ukraine and 
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His words enabled the delivery 
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rounds of artillery ammunition, 
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missiles, spare parts and new 
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maintain and repair the its 
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form of a loan, of course. 
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Ukraine expect to ever pay that 
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But in other words, based on 
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enabled keeping the body bags 
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He also Co chaired a coalition 
of the willing virtual meeting 

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alongside Starmer and quotes 
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30 countries to cement further 
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multinational force to be 
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of a peace deal. 
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that the UK is reviewing 
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forces and accelerating funding 
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deployment to Ukraine. 
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discussing the composition of a 
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a tactical detail relating how 
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We've got to have gear for that 
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President Macron said we the 
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security guarantees to Ukraine 
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peace is signed. 
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reporters declined to say which 
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contribute to Ukraine's security
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called reassurance force. 
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what the Russian attitude is to 
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BBC stepped in here because they
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was on their website today. 
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at at what Peskov was having to 
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As far as we can understand, 
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security guarantees for Ukraine 
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European regiments in. 
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And thus they're returning back 
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conflict. 
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was the attempt of NATO to 
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endangering our country. 
So we consider it a danger for 

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US presence of international 
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NATO country forces on the soil 
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So in our understanding, it's it
will not it will not help us get

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closer to the solution of 
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And we'll do whatever is 
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preferably would like to to 
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When we don't have these 

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possibilities, we'll continue 
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So that's pretty clear, Brian. 
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comes across as being a very 
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He's coming across very calmly 
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from the BB CS sometimes 
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that there is there is 
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Trump himself saying that in 
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very softly spoken and being 
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But of course, Western press now
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public never gets to see what 
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And I would suggest that if we 
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side, the Russians are talking 
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this country, would quickly be 
moving to the point where let's 

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get the fighting stopped and 
engage the talking. 

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But at the moment, we've just 
got more military hardware being

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piled in to keep this proxy wall
going. 

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Well, we'll come on to that in a
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Let's just listen to one other 
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We see the readiness of the 
Russian Federation for dialogue.

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We see the readiness of of the 
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Federation for any meetings, 
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the highest level. 
But in advance, they should be 

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well prepared. 
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constructive efforts by the 
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in order to assist the process 
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And we see the outrageous 
efforts of European countries to

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provoke continuation of the war.
I I can't disagree with anything

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he said there either. 
Neither. 

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Neither can I buy it because 
we're watching that provocation 

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on a daily basis, not only 
provocation but the weapons to 

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follow it up. 
So it's clear what the the West 

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is doing. 
And no wonder that Trump's got 

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wobbly at the moment, because I 
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that the European Union is not 
his friend. 

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So let's just look at the last 
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This is according to the UK 
government. 4.7 million rounds 

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of small arms ammunition for 
Ukrainian soldiers. 60,000 

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artillery shells, rockets and 
missiles. 2500 drones. 

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More than 200 electronic warfare
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A lot. 
I wonder how long and if this is

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going to last. 100 light 
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What's a light weapon in this 
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Machine gun. 
OK, 30 vehicles, additional 

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counter drone and air defence 
equipment. 

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So that that was what the 
Ministry of Defence was bragging

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that they'd sent in the last 50 
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So that's if it's, if it was 
sent in the last 50 days, it's 

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probably all gone in the last 50
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Yes. 
So anyway that, that was 

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Wednesday and then yesterday, 
following the announcement last 

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week of the deal for Norway to 
buy naval ships from the UK, Try

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not to laugh when I say that 
Secretary of State for War John 

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Healey, again, uh, was in Norway
yesterday to sign, uh, an 

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historic agreement to exchange 
the strategic part, Sorry to 

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enhance the strategic 
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Norway. 
So this, uh, deal actually 

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formalises the deal for the 
ships. 

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This, they claim, strengthens 
NATO in the region and provides 

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more opportunities for joint 
training and personnel exchanges

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between Britain and Norway. 
And he claims that this is going

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to support 4000 jobs and be 
worth £10 billion to the UK. 

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Now he and his Norway Norwegian 
counterpart discussed further 

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joint operations through this 
agreement. 

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So we'll see what comes of that.
At the same time then here is 

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Starmer, because he was visiting
BAE Scotstoun to thank to say 

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thank you to all those who 
helped get the what he describes

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as huge contract pushed through.
So there he was with some 

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frigates. 
Do you think they'll operate in 

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cold waters like the kind of 
cold waters? 

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Well, if it is if the 
propellers, all the screws as 

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the Navy would call them, go 
round, which they often don't in

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the Type 40 fives, but hopefully
they will, they'll be able to 

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propel themselves in cold water 
as well. 

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OK. 
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segment, I just want to 
highlight this Arctic article 

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from The Daily Telegraph 
following the reporting from 

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Wednesday on the situation in 
China and the the commemoration 

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of the end of the the, the 
Japanese defeat at the end of 

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the war and the various showing 
off material that China was 

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doing during that particular 
commemoration. 

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Here's the daily The Daily 
Telegraph editorial team. 

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And I think they probably need 
to be taken away by men in white

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coats because the headline here 
of Britain must stand against XI

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Jinping's disturbing, disturbing
vision of the future. 

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And they say when Mr XI promises
to build a community, community 

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of common security, what he 
means is that no country should 

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have any allies, leaving all but
the strongest at China's mercy. 

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And when he stresses the 
sovereign equality of states, he

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means that no one should 
interfere with the sovereign 

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right of tyrants to murder, 
torture and and oppress their 

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own peoples. 
No one should doubt that the 

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world reordered by Mr XI would 
be a bleak and pitiless place. 

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This kind of rhetoric coming 
from an organisation that over 

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the last few decades has 
supported interventionist 

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conflicts run by Britain and the
United States, which have only 

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brought disaster and misery to 
the countries that that they 

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were imposed upon. 
So the Telegraph then demands 

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action against XI's chilling 
dream. 

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Does our government have a view 
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One hopes that Britain would 
stand with America and the free 

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world in opposing Mr XI's 
disturbing visions. 

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If that's our intention, and one
day a Prime Minister should 

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muster the courage to say so, 
that it would make little sense 

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to allow China to build our 
entire energy system or supply 

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the electric cars that just 
about all of us will drive. 

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Well, that may well be the case 
that that last point. 

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But the, the, we've got to 
always keep in mind that 

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systematically our governments 
in the West have destroyed our 

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productive capability. 
This is why Russia and China are

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so far ahead that productively 
and economically, I think it's a

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shame that Russia and China are 
having to spend money developing

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their own defence firms when 
they could be doing and, and 

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they they are doing in many 
other areas, so many more 

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positive things for humanity. 
You know, on a, on a broad 

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scale, of course, they're 
clearly feeling threatened. 

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And are they are? 
Is anybody expecting them to 

459
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,760
respond any other way? 
Well, clearly the papers have 

460
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,000
stopped thinking and, and papers
that are supposed to be the 

461
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,720
papers for comment, particularly
on matters overseas newspapers 

462
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,960
records, they just simply do not
seem to have the quality of 

463
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,360
journalists to comment on this 
properly. 

464
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,040
If we look at the West, it seems
to me at the moment that it's 

465
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,720
the United States that is the 
country which is telling 

466
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,240
everybody what to do. 
And unless it's done as the 

467
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,560
United States wants, we're all 
going to be sanctioned into line

468
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,760
or bullied into line. 
Mark, yeah. 

469
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,840
Sorry, I was looking at Mark 
coming up so he might like to 

470
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,120
respond. 
Mark, let me welcome you to the 

471
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,240
programme. 
Bring us up to date then, if we 

472
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,840
move to the United States now 
with what Trump has been doing, 

473
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,920
because of course we've been 
hearing quite a bit about the 

474
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,640
potential for deploying military
on the streets. 

475
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,840
Indeed. g'day you guys and UK 
column viewers. 

476
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,440
I've been on a bit of a hiatus. 
It's great to be back. 

477
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,280
And yes, over the years, living 
near the border where I do, 

478
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,600
there have been troop 
deployments here, and there's 

479
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,080
always been this conflict. 
When is it proper to use U.S. 

480
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,800
troops in domestic operations 
and when is it not? 

481
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,240
And I remember talking to a 
Kansas soldier out of Fort 

482
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,240
Riley, and he was elated, in his
view, about 5-6, seven years 

483
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,520
ago. 
It was during Trump's first 

484
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,760
term, to be clear, And he was 
elated that he was actually 

485
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,480
being used to guard the US 
border of all things. 

486
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,920
The troops were being used to 
guard the US itself. 

487
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,400
What a concept, he told me. 
Anyway, on this first slide, 

488
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,480
we're seeing some of the 
controversy. 

489
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,840
Federal ruling could restrict 
Trump on potential San Francisco

490
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,920
troop deployment. 2nd of 
September out of the Axios news.

491
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,720
And this is in the wake of Trump
having deployed National Guard 

492
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,360
in Washington, DC. 
Now in Washington, DC, it's 

493
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,760
unique. 
Trump is the head of the DC 

494
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,480
National Guard, the DC being a 
federal city in that sense. 

495
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,160
So there was that deployment 
there to deal with what Trump is

496
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,920
calling crime amid immigrations 
and Customs Enforcement, ICE, 

497
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,520
immigration arrests toward 
deportation as part of Trump's 

498
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,520
border agenda. 
And then Trump also had troops 

499
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,000
recently in Los Angeles. 
And of course, there's still a 

500
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,320
presence in those cities, as I 
understand it. 

501
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,320
And the main stated goal of 
Trump's deployments, besides 

502
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,880
aiding in the eventual 
deportation process, has been to

503
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,440
guard federal property from what
the administration is calling 

504
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,720
actual and potential rioting as 
people protest the deportations.

505
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,840
And at any rate, we have a 
summary here on that Axios 

506
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,920
article. 
I'll look at that. 

507
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,600
The California Attorney general,
Rob Banta, applauded a federal 

508
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,760
ruling that the Trump 
administration illegally 

509
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,840
deployed the National Guard to 
LA during anti ICE protests 

510
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,920
going back to June. 
So there's been a court ruling. 

511
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,120
What Trump has done in LA is 
being declared illegal. 

512
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,640
Trump is vowing to fight back, 
of course, and appeal the 

513
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,000
decision. 
U.S. 

514
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,280
District Judge Charles Breyer's 
ruling only applies to 

515
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,120
California, however, but it may 
influence how federal troops are

516
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,880
deployed in other places as 
Trump considers doing more of 

517
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,120
this. 
And those other places are 

518
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,040
potentially or actually San 
Francisco, Chicago and 

519
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,480
Baltimore. 
So Trump's going to appeal the 

520
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,360
LA decision. 
What's he going to do about 

521
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,280
deployments in those cities that
are based on the same reasons? 

522
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,520
Here we'll show some headlines 
that have been popping up lately

523
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,720
on this. 
The New York Times. 

524
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,960
San Francisco had avoided 
Trump's ire until now. 

525
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,360
So the Times are saying that 
Trump's deployment to to San 

526
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,640
Francisco, Frisco, they call it 
for short, is fairly imminent. 

527
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,520
And the Chicago Tribune, as 
Trump threatens more Guard 

528
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,240
troops in U.S. cities, including
Chicago and Baltimore, Here's 

529
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,080
what the law allows. 
And that could be quite a long 

530
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,640
thing. 
I studied a little bit of what 

531
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,920
of what the law allows, but what
it boils down to is that right 

532
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,080
after the US so called civil 
war, they passed the Passe 

533
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:06,440
Comitatus Act and that forbade 
the use of federal troops in 

534
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,920
local law enforcement. 
Because when there was the 

535
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,360
reconstruction by the North 
against the South, there were a 

536
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,200
lot of abuses of the people's 
constitutional rights, some very

537
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,000
egregious abuses. 
So the law of the Passe 

538
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,600
Comitatus Act, that's Latin, is 
a logical law, but it's a little

539
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,400
bit fuzzy in legal circles when 
it applies and when it doesn't. 

540
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,800
Many have claimed that it's 
improper to use federal troops 

541
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,560
or or activated federally 
activated National Guard troops.

542
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,800
They've claimed, they claimed 
it's improper to use them to 

543
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,480
guard the border. 
But I would argue and others 

544
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,240
I've talked to have argued that 
guarding the border is a 

545
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,080
national, largely a national 
responsibility and they're 

546
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,080
oriented outward, they're 
guarding the perimeter. 

547
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,720
So that in many people's view 
does not violate the Posse 

548
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,560
Comitatus Act, but the these 
deployments in LA and DC and 

549
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,120
other possible ones, is it? 
If it doesn't violate that act, 

550
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,400
it's pushing right up to the 
line, just very, very close 

551
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,320
because they say they're 
guarding federal property from 

552
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,520
the protesters. 
And that's pretty much 

553
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,040
legitimate. 
But if they start making arrests

554
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,960
for miscellaneous things that 
that would best be done by local

555
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,000
police officers, then then 
you've got some issues that 

556
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,719
would violate that act. 
And so the, the overall 

557
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,440
situation is such where there's,
there's a lot to be seen. 

558
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,280
A lot remains to be seen, but 
that's some of the realities on 

559
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,000
the ground. 
Now under this report today, I'm

560
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,280
doing Trump news on three 
topics. 

561
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,000
It's an approach I'm taking 
because there's so much coming 

562
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,960
out of the Trump White House in 
the press releases that I get, 

563
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,960
which is 4 or 5 or 6 a day and 
all the other things going on. 

564
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,199
There has to be a way to distil 
this stuff down. 

565
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,520
So I've got a couple other quick
topics On this next one. 

566
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,400
We'll look at this headline out 
of Fox. 

567
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:02,120
US Blocks Trump attempt to 
freeze more than 2 billion in 

568
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,280
Harvard funds subhead Trump 
officials judge said are using 

569
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,640
anti semitism as a smokescreen 
to block off a little over 2 

570
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,120
billion actually in federal 
funding to Harvard. 

571
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,360
What's going on there 
essentially is that Harvard 

572
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,120
believes it's hiring and 
admissions policies are being 

573
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,960
infringed upon and that it's 
improper for Trump to use anti 

574
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,200
semitism as an excuse to cut 
these over 2 billion in federal 

575
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,520
funding that funds scientific 
research at Harvard. 

576
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,640
Now, you could almost go for 
that point of view, 100%, except

577
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,760
for the fact that Harvard says 
it's a 100% or pretty much out, 

578
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,120
you know, largely private 
university. 

579
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,200
But but one of the things that 
makes the university private is 

580
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,720
not accepting much, if any 
federal funding. 

581
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:54,600
Like Hillsdale College in South 
Central Michigan takes no 

582
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,480
federal funding whatsoever. 
So they can truly call 

583
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,920
themselves private. 
But Harvard, being the 

584
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,520
wealthiest monetarily, the 
wealthiest College in America, 

585
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,440
wants billions of dollars of 
federal funding every every 

586
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,160
year, but it wants all the 
advantages of being called a 

587
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,440
private university. 
So it wants to have its cake and

588
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,640
eat it too. 
Trump claims that the besides 

589
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,560
anti semitism and protests 
against Israeli policies in 

590
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,560
Palestine, Trump claims that the
university is way too liberal 

591
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,080
and a lot of its governance and 
a lot of its content and things 

592
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,120
like that. 
And so he's using the cutting of

593
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,680
the federal funds as leverage. 
And so that's what's going on 

594
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,760
with that. 
I need not get into a lot of the

595
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,800
details that I included in the 
slides there. 

596
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,160
It's better to explain it. 
And lastly, this headline from 

597
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,640
American Free Press, President 
Trump is pushing for a ban of 

598
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,800
mail in ballots. 
And the interesting thing here 

599
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,440
is that with all the mail in 
ballots from the 2020 election, 

600
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,480
when a contact of mine, Garland 
Favrito did factually prove that

601
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,400
that election had a lot of very 
serious anomalies and evidently 

602
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,880
election theft. 
A lot of the reforms that Trump 

603
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,360
wants to enact do make sense, 
although Trump sometimes 

604
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,320
expresses them in ways that 
don't fully make sense. 

605
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,360
He he needs to be more clear and
principled on these things. 

606
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,720
These are long time problems in 
the US electoral system. 

607
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,880
And here's a vote from Trump, 
from the White House. 

608
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,240
We're going to start with an 
executive order that's being 

609
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,880
written right now by the best 
lawyers in the country to end 

610
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,280
mail in ballots because they're 
corrupt, at least in terms of 

611
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,200
the number of them. 
When they're used in massive 

612
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,240
amounts, they do invite 
corruption. 

613
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,680
And there's one other post from 
Trump's Truth Social. 

614
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,920
He's also saying voter ID must 
be part of every single vote to 

615
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,240
confirm who voters are and that 
they're eligible. 

616
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,920
He's saying no exceptions. 
He's calling for an executive 

617
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,080
order to that end. 
Again, no mail in ballot or no 

618
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,480
mail in ballots. 
And what's interesting, 

619
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,360
gentlemen, and I'll conclude 
with this note, he's also 

620
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,320
calling for a hard look at 
whether we should use those 

621
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,320
electronic voting machines that 
have been that have been rightly

622
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,080
accused of counting the votes in
secret, even though ballots are 

623
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,200
cast in public. 
So Trump is on the right track 

624
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,080
on that last one, but he needs 
to be much more clear and 

625
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,240
resolute on what his goals are 
and what the real problems are 

626
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,640
on the other two items. 
It's it's a little murky and a 

627
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,360
lot remains to be seen, but I'll
be following those in the weeks 

628
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,280
ahead. 
So I'll be back. 

629
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,560
We'll go back to you guys. 
Right. 

630
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,960
Thanks, Mark. 
And we're going to come back 

631
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,880
onto the issue of ICE a little 
bit later and undoubtedly we'll 

632
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,640
have a deeper discussion about 
it in extra. 

633
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,880
But now if you like what the UK 
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639
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640
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,240
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641
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,280
So it's just myself with Jerem 
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642
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,120
And so join us at 7:00 PM for 
that. 

643
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,240
Charles's discussion with Jake 
Fern that went out yesterday at 

644
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:20,000
1:00 PM is up on the website for
anybody that wants to watch On 

645
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Demand. 
So please do have a look at that

646
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,840
if you haven't seen it yet. 
It's a great discussion, Brian. 

647
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,760
I just want to remind people of 
this discussion that I have with

648
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,880
Patrick Kennington about 
Stephanie Hegarty, BBC 

649
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,040
journalist, who did a short 
analysis, a little mini 

650
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,080
documentary into very young 
children being shot by snipers 

651
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,560
in Gaza. 
This is an important discussion 

652
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,280
between the two of us, and I'd 
like to encourage as many people

653
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,440
as possible to watch it. 
OK, another reminder of UK 

654
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,040
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Just about 30 tickets left for 

655
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join us for that. 

656
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Saturday the 18th of October 
2025 in York. 

657
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:07,000
Andrew Wakefield is speaking and
this does also, we remind you, 

658
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,600
give you access to his film 
Protocol 7. 

659
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,840
Tess Lorry will be speaking, Liz
Evans will be speaking and 

660
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,520
hopefully Liz will be back on UK
column news in the imminent 

661
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,640
future. 
Doctor Sir Julian Rose will be 

662
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,720
speaking particularly about the 
health implications of good 

663
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:27,320
food, and Ben Rubin will be 
speaking as well. 

664
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So join us for this if you 
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665
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If you can't join us in person, 
absolutely the live stream is 

666
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there for you if you would like 
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667
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,520
Brilliant. 
I'd just like to give another 

668
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,640
shout out for Public Child 
Protection Wales. 

669
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,520
Kim Isherwood and her team Who 
at the end of this month we'll 

670
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,360
be going to Washington to meet 
with other groups, to Washington

671
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,640
and the states to go to, to meet
up with other groups who are 

672
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,000
going to be challenging the 
World Health Organisation, CSE. 

673
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,840
It's sexual grooming of very 
young children. 

674
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,200
So this battle has now gone from
South Wales, it's gone globally.

675
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,760
This is really fantastic news 
and I'd also like to just give 

676
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,040
the audience a heads up. 
Very shortly I'll have another 

677
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,120
interview out with a mum called 
Christine talking about the 

678
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,560
failings in children's services.
There's a lot more to her story 

679
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,320
than we can cover in this first 
episode, but nevertheless I want

680
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,400
to keep the subject of child 
stealing by the state in front 

681
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,720
of our audience. 
This is a very, very serious 

682
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,920
thing happening in UK. 
Mark, let's come back to you 

683
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,400
then. 
And global Parliament of ours 

684
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,080
has been one of the institutions
that's driving change in both 

685
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,920
the UK and the United States and
most European countries as well.

686
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,800
What's the latest? 
Well, this is interesting. 

687
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,920
Over the summer, of course, 
we've had Bilderberg and I 

688
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,800
reported on the Ditchley 
Foundation, kind of a cousin of 

689
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,080
Trilateral. 
Cousin of Trilateral and 

690
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,120
Bilderberg. 
Excuse me. 

691
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,520
And there's so many machinations
going on. 

692
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,120
Weaponized neuroscience has been
in the news here on UKC 

693
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,000
recently. 
But I got to looking at the 

694
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,960
global cities thing and a quick 
announcement before we get into 

695
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,120
the GPM Global Parliament 
mayors, is that the the Seminole

696
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,120
Annual conference, the Pritzker 
Global Cities Forum in Chicago 

697
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,200
that started in 20/15/2016 and I
was there right when it started,

698
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:33,280
has been apparently ended. 
I think it just didn't go as 

699
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,520
viral as the former head of the 
Chicago Council and global 

700
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,240
affairs that was pushing it evil
Dalder as he as he wanted. 

701
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,160
And that has apparently died. 
When the Chatham House lady 

702
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,680
who's leading the Chicago 
Council came over to replace 

703
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Dalder, as I've reported 
recently, there's no indication 

704
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,520
that she's continuing that. 
So that's a little bit of good 

705
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,480
news, you might say, given what 
we know about global cities now 

706
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,680
on the global Parliament of 
Mayors here, they met earlier in

707
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,800
the summer. 
And I discovered that as I was 

708
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,000
looking at all these other 
groups and trying to kind of 

709
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,840
distil all this and their annual
summit 2025. 

710
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:14,160
Ricardo Rio, the mayor of Braga,
Portugal, was big in the news. 

711
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,040
He's a major player here and we 
got a couple quotes from him. 

712
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,640
There was a recognition by the 
Global Parliament of Mayors 

713
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,080
about this gentleman city. 
The Global Parliament of Mayors 

714
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,960
or GPM, recognises the path that
Braga Portugal has been forging 

715
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,920
via its internationalisation 
strategy. 

716
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,680
Emphasis added 
internationalisation strategy, 

717
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,320
positioning Braga as a open 
collaborative city that and that

718
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,760
means in league with the global 
system that engages with global 

719
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,520
networks of course and promotes 
democracy, big word inclusion, 

720
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,800
bigger word and sustainable 
development. 

721
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,600
Massive concept of course. 
And that that ties to the United

722
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,640
Nations. 
United Nations turned 80 this 

723
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,040
year. 
And then Mayor Ricardo Rio of 

724
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,560
Braga went on to say, and he's a
member of the executive 

725
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,640
committee of the Global 
Parliament of Mayors. 

726
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,320
He went on to say this, these 
developments reflect our 

727
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,120
commitment to position Braga as 
an open and collaborative city, 

728
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,200
emphasis added, One that 
actively engages with global 

729
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,560
networks and actively promotes 
democracy, inclusion, etcetera. 

730
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,360
So this is very clear language 
of what global cities are all 

731
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:34,320
about, that they kind of divorce
themselves to a point from the 

732
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,480
nation state that they 
geographically inhabit and they 

733
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,920
link up with other self declared
global cities and they operate 

734
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,880
on a somewhat different legal 
and governance system. 

735
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,920
So it's almost like a form of 
mutiny, if you will. 

736
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Maybe that's a strong concept, 
maybe a little too strong, but 

737
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,960
they're kind of bowing out of 
their nation state membership 

738
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,320
and adopting another kind of 
membership. 

739
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,240
Localised globalism, also called
localism. 

740
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:02,280
We've mentioned that now this 
also came come out as I was 

741
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,880
perusing this on a looks like an
ex post here. 

742
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,840
Nadia Virgie noted that there's 
a global, a global Parliament of

743
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,480
Mayors related summit going on 
the 27th through the 29th of 

744
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,760
October 2025 in Dubai that 
they're calling Expo City. 

745
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,440
And it, it's being it's, it's 
involving the Asia Pacific 

746
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,280
Cities Summit and Mayor's Forum 
2025, bringing together cities 

747
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,560
from Asia, Africa, the Middle 
East and beyond. 

748
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,600
And we have a little bit more on
this. 

749
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:43,080
We'll move on from there. 
And this is the actual website, 

750
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,000
the Asia Pacific City Summit at 
Mayor's Forum. 

751
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,120
That's the main element at this 
new GPM involved or GPM Tide 

752
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,960
Expo City Dubai event in later 
October. 

753
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,360
So just to get that in, in the 
news here, to get that on the 

754
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,680
record as to that events coming 
up. 

755
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,400
We didn't have a lot of advance 
notice about the summer event by

756
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,840
the global Parliament of Mayors.
So we want to make sure we get 

757
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,640
plenty of advanced news on this 
one. 

758
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,680
So we're all aware, maybe we can
talk about it in York a little 

759
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,440
bit on the side, but here's some
of the other things they're 

760
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,160
talking about with regards to 
that Dubai summit. 

761
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,480
This is just some examples. 
We'll show this and I'll just 

762
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,160
cherry pick it. 
City leadership and economic 

763
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,920
development, city branding and 
identity, city diplomacy, where 

764
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,520
city set themselves up to have 
foreign policy functions and act

765
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,840
like that. 
They can get into foreign policy

766
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,200
diplomacy, which is really 
illegitimate and improper for 

767
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,040
any city to get into, and then 
digital transformation in urban 

768
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,720
futures. 
They're looking at urban 

769
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:50,800
intelligence that no doubt 
involves AI, probably in some 

770
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,640
ill advised ways, new energy, 
mission driven ecosystem. 

771
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,520
Some of this is clear, some of 
it's rather vague, maybe not. 

772
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,600
All of it bad point by point. 
And in this last item, this is 

773
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,320
just a reminder of the Urban 7 
and the Urban 7. 

774
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,880
I do have an article posted on 
UK column about the Urban 7 from

775
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,600
a year or two ago. 
And that is the city equivalent 

776
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,680
roughly of the G7, showing how 
the city, the cities view 

777
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,680
themselves as members of a 
global community, not so much 

778
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,720
members of their nation state. 
And the Urban 7 at a meeting in 

779
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:31,360
Japan in July 2023, was 
consulted in the drafting of the

780
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,400
G7 Sustainable Urban Development
Ministers communique, which lays

781
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,320
out the priorities and 
commitments of the ministers. 

782
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,840
So that definitely shows the 
concrete and tangible 

783
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,040
involvement of these mayors, I 
think in an ill advised and 

784
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,840
illegitimate way to get involved
in these global affairs. 

785
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,520
So that's kind of the landscape 
for now guys and the schedule. 

786
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,760
Thank you, Mark. 
Well sticking with cities in a 

787
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,560
sense and also Mark was talking 
about surveillance and AI there.

788
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,840
Let's let's bring this on 
screen. 

789
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:09,680
So this is from the all source 
intelligence Substack exclusive 

790
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,800
ICE reactivated it's $2 million 
contract with Israeli spy Ware 

791
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,400
firm Paragon following it's 
acquisition by US capital. 

792
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:24,720
So this is the immigration 
agency, the agency that's 

793
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:28,040
deporting people from the United
States at the moment has begun 

794
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:34,160
once again using Paragon. 
So they have, I mean, this has 

795
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,240
been described as the most 
sophisticated hacking tool. 

796
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,560
And this is following the 
Trump's decision to renew the 

797
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,160
contract. 
We'll come on to that in a 

798
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,240
second. 
But this is Paragon. 

799
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,560
They produce a spyware product 
called Graphite, developed by 

800
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:56,000
Paragon Solutions, which was 
established in 2019 by Ahud. 

801
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,760
Well, can you pronounce that 
name? 

802
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,680
Dorsen, a former commander of 
Unit 8200. 

803
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,760
That's of course, Israel's elite
military intelligence unit, 

804
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,320
effectively a military 
equivalent to the NSA or GCHQ. 

805
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,200
And also a Finder is Tomer 
Barack, who's also got 

806
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,800
associations with Israeli 
intelligence circles. 

807
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,960
So graphite is a military grade 
spyware tool capable of what are

808
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,360
described as zero click 
infections, capable of 

809
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,080
exfiltrating data from phones. 
This mainly for mobile phones, 

810
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,960
also microphone and camera 
control and also stealth 

811
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,960
operations on smartphones. 
And this includes iPhones and 

812
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,680
and Android devices. 
And they began selling graphite 

813
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,480
to U.S. law enforcement agencies
in 2021. 

814
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,400
And that I signed the original 
contract with them in late 2024.

815
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,640
At the beginning of this year. 
Then WhatsApp discovered a 

816
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,360
global spyware campaign using 
graphite that targeted 90 

817
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,160
individuals, including 
journalists and activists in 

818
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,440
more than 20 countries. 
And not long after that story 

819
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,080
broke, Citizen Lab confirmed 
that Paragon's graphite was also

820
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,200
used in Italy against 
journalists there, leading to 

821
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,960
the termination of the contract 
in Italy. 

822
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,920
So let's just I put that on 
screen. 

823
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,040
So this is Reuters reporting 
Italy and it's really peregrine 

824
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:22,000
part ways after spyware affair. 
So graphite. 

825
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,240
Graphite's design uses what are 
described as stealth tactics, 

826
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:31,840
loading themselves itself into 
legitimate apps like WhatsApp to

827
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:38,280
evade detection, making forensic
detections highly challenging 

828
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,600
and most almost impossible for 
the average user to discover. 

829
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,080
It's easily installed in target 
phones and on including the 

830
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,560
latest iPhones and that is 
confirmed in security week. 

831
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,400
The headline here saying Paragon
Graphite spyware, spyware linked

832
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,400
to zero click hacks on newest 
iPhones, which should be no 

833
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,240
surprise because as Mint press 
reported in July, with the 

834
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:07,480
dozens of former unit 8200 staff
now employed by Apple and the 

835
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,480
question is to do what are they 
in fact there as legitimate 

836
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:17,920
employees or are they there to 
perhaps you know, manufacture 

837
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,120
into future Apple products 
plenty of attack vectors that 

838
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,120
allow this type of software to 
operate. 

839
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,800
So I think this is this is an 
important issue and something, 

840
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,400
you know, that we've we've been 
talking about unit 8200 for 

841
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,120
quite some time. 
We absolutely need to maintain 

842
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:38,360
focus on that and it's role in 
finding many of the tech 

843
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,920
companies that we rely on day to
day. 

844
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,160
And in the meantime, then, 
social media yesterday was 

845
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:54,720
highlighting the case of Bayern 
Mavalwala, the second, who is a 

846
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,560
former Army Sergeant, U.S. 
Army Sergeant who served 

847
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,120
survived A roadside bomb blast 
on a special operations mission 

848
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,720
in Afghanistan. 
He's also son of a decorated 

849
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,400
U.S. military intelligence 
officer. 

850
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:11,400
He was arrested by the FBI in 
July and charged with conspiracy

851
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,080
to impede or injure officers 
following a scuffle with a, 

852
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,080
well, an ICE officer who was 
completely masked and not really

853
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,400
identifiable as an ICE officer 
at one of the protests Mark was 

854
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,760
talking about a couple of 
minutes ago. 

855
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,520
So he was arrested. 
The protest itself took part. 

856
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,840
It took place about a month 
before the actual arrest took 

857
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,240
place. 
And now this is being described 

858
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:40,160
as many as an escalation of the 
Trump regime's attacks on 1st 

859
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,920
Amendment rights. 
We can talk about that and 

860
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,640
extra. 
And I just want to mention that 

861
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,800
in an effort to sort of deal 
with the massive overreach of 

862
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,520
ICA agents, apparent massive 
overreach at the moment, an 

863
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,720
application for the iPhone has 
been developed called ice Block,

864
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,760
which allows people to log 
sightings of ice activity and 

865
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,960
alert others to that activity. 
Of course, it's not without 

866
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,080
without limitations and flaws, 
but people really should 

867
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,080
probably be asking what has 
happened to the United States 

868
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,080
that this is even a thing Any. 
Thoughts. 

869
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,960
I think it's immensely 
dangerous. 

870
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:19,160
The first level is that we've 
got one country. 

871
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,640
We've got Israel now burying 
itself not in, not only inside 

872
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,640
the government systems of other 
countries, the US and the UK, 

873
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,560
but it's also buried itself 
inside the intelligence and the 

874
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:37,040
security services, so absolutely
unaccountable to nobody. 

875
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,160
And now we're getting to the 
level of St arrests based on 

876
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,760
these sorts of partnerships. 
That's very dangerous, I think. 

877
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,080
Right, well here in the UK, well
here's the Plymouth Herald 

878
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,000
because the surveillance state 
rolls out a pace. 

879
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,640
So the Herald here has published
a report highlighting the use of

880
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,280
AI parts surveillance cameras in
Devon and Cornwall, which 

881
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,440
apparently cost 10,000 drivers 
being very naughty indeed. 

882
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,120
The cameras are supplied by this
organisation Accusensis. 

883
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,040
Now these systems can capture 
images showing the inside of 

884
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,200
your car, including the driver, 
passengers and children. 

885
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,440
And accusensis claims that non 
infringing images. 

886
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,720
So anything that hasn't captured
wrongdoing, we could be rest 

887
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,800
assured that they these are 
deleted immediately. 

888
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,480
And we believe that of course, 
and privacy safeguards like data

889
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,240
encryption and limited access 
are in place is what they claim.

890
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,880
Now, another AI camera system 
gaining traction in the UK is 

891
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,680
from Flock, and now these are 
also being rolled out in the EU 

892
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,320
and in the United States as 
well. 

893
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,360
These are not just, you know, 
roadside cameras aimed at 

894
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,200
searching for drivers using 
mobile phones. 

895
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,920
These are being deployed in 
place of standard CCDTV cameras 

896
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,000
all over the place. 
Now, there's a website that I 

897
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,040
want to draw your attention to 
here called dfloc. 

898
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,480
It's tracking the deployment of 
these cameras worldwide, and 

899
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,880
they provide an interactive map 
so that you can see exactly 

900
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,240
where they are. 
Now there aren't huge numbers in

901
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,080
the UK can be relative to the 
number of CCDV cameras that we 

902
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,960
have in the country as yet. 
But you can see there's broad 

903
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,280
usage right across the country. 
And actually the Midlands is, is

904
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,560
probably the the the biggest 
user of these cameras yet at 

905
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,320
this point. 
So, you know, this is a 

906
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,680
deployment that many people are 
unaware of and so on. 

907
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,840
So, you know, we've got to 
consider this within the context

908
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,760
of the whole AI agenda that the 
UK government is pushing out at 

909
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,560
the moment. 
And in order to encourage and 

910
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,880
exploit this kind of 
surveillance state, the British 

911
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,400
government has published a new 
AI assurance road map, which 

912
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,520
they say will look to add 
billions of pounds to the 

913
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,800
economy and create scores of new
jobs. 

914
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,440
Scores of new jobs. 
So it's really worth the effort 

915
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,760
here. 
But anyway, AI Assurance is all 

916
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,680
about assuring you and me that 
AI is to be trusted and that 

917
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,080
there's nothing at all to worry 
about. 

918
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,360
So the Starmer government is 
pushing millions of pounds of 

919
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,840
taxpayers money into, for 
example, convening AUK 

920
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,360
consortium to work towards a 
future AI assurance profession 

921
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,520
and establishing a new forum 
from multi stakeholder 

922
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:19,960
collaboration. 
These are their words. 

923
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,240
Of course, this is going to be 
driven by the AI Assurance 

924
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,280
Innovation Fund, which is going 
to get an initial bang of 

925
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,000
11,000,000 lbs with lots more 
cash to come in the future. 

926
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:33,560
And they also announced, the 
government also announced the 

927
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,400
£2.7 million boost to develop a 
regulator capability, which as 

928
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,800
we know from, for example, from 
the MHRA means an enabler 

929
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,400
capability. 
So to to to sort of demonstrate 

930
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,600
that this is a unit party issue,
let's hear from a name that we 

931
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,520
possibly have tried to forget, 
and that's Rishi Sunak. 

932
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,680
Everyone's talking about the 
race to build AGI. 

933
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,400
AGI, Artificial general 
intelligence. 

934
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,600
What do you define as AGI and? 
AGI. 

935
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,960
How close are we to AGI? 
That matters, but it's not the 

936
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,680
only. 
Race we should care about. 

937
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,640
The real prize is everyday AI. 
We have given them brains, 

938
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,280
electronic brains, it's true, 
The kind of computer to which 

939
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,120
you can give a problem and then 
leave it to work out the answer 

940
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,360
all by itself. 
The countries that win won't 

941
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,480
just be the ones with the 
smartest AI, they'll be the ones

942
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,520
adopting it fastest. 
Think about the electric Dynamo.

943
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,600
It only transformed industry 
when factories were redesigning 

944
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,520
around it or the Internet it 
only. 

945
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,480
Changed our lives when 
businesses shape their sales and

946
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,720
supply. 
Chains around it. 

947
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,840
AI is no different. 
If it's just locked away in the 

948
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,520
IT department, we'll only see a 
fraction of the benefits. 

949
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,360
We need business leaders and 
world leaders trained to use it.

950
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,920
We need workers given the right 
skills now, not in 10 years. 

951
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,040
And we need public services 
ready to use it. 

952
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,480
And that also means getting the 
regulation right, protecting 

953
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,360
against real risks like bio or 
cyber threats, without burying 

954
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,040
people in rules that make using 
AI impossible. 

955
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,880
I'm working with the Hoover 
Institution at Stanford 

956
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,920
University to map out the 
practical steps. 

957
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,920
That. 
Governments, businesses and 

958
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,160
innovators can take to win the 
race to everyday AI, and to do 

959
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,520
that, I want your input. 
In this early stage, thousands 

960
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,720
have already had their say, but 
if you haven't yet, click the 

961
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,720
link below to complete a short 
survey. 

962
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,920
So he's a Hoover salesman? 
Yes, door to door vacuum 

963
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,840
cleaners. 
Anyway, let me just give you a 

964
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,040
very quick look at this survey 
that you need to click below to 

965
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,360
to to do. 
And as you can see there, you 

966
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,160
know, there's no option in the 
first question to say no way, 

967
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,320
Jose, I'm not having anything to
do with this. 

968
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,320
You get the opportunity to say 
you haven't used AI in the last 

969
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,240
30 days or maybe you're not sure
in the same answer, but you know

970
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,880
it it it is pathetic. 
But the the point here is, you 

971
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,280
know, assuming anybody hasn't 
been physically I'll having to 

972
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,960
watch that Here we have, you 
know, a former Prime Minister 

973
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,000
absolutely shilling for this 
this industry. 

974
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,920
Yeah, just a throw away comment 
from me. 

975
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,360
Of course if you're a car driver
in your car you will have a sun 

976
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,040
visor. 
Use your sun visor. 

977
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,320
It makes a big difference to 
what cameras can and cannot see.

978
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,640
Mark, just to conclude the 
programme, back to you and 

979
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,560
what's been going on in the 
United States with RFK Junior. 

980
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,160
More controversy is the short 
answer, Mike. 

981
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,920
Yesterday the Committee on 
Finance, yesterday morning, 

982
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,280
September 4, held their 
President's 2026 healthcare 

983
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,320
agenda hearing. 
And who, other than RFK, was the

984
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,120
speaker? 
Who else could it be? 

985
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,760
And he was grilled intensely, 
especially by Bernie Sanders, 

986
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,440
who's kind of a grill master. 
You can put him in an apron with

987
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,720
his spatula and he would be the 
definite grill master on the 

988
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,520
Senate side. 
ABC News headline real quick. 

989
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,440
RFK junior testifies before the 
Finance Committee amid CDC 

990
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,200
turmoil and vaccine changes. 
That's where the rub was and is.

991
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,200
And really, we can just get 
right to the videos. 

992
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,960
There's two. 
If you want to show both, that's

993
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,600
fine. 
One now, one extra depending on 

994
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,840
the time. 
But here's Bernie Sanders in the

995
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,920
first video, and we can discuss 
it after that. 

996
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,240
Secretary Kennedy, are President
Trump and the medical community 

997
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,600
right? 
Or do you still believe that the

998
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,640
COVID vaccine was, quote, the 
deadliest vaccine ever made? 

999
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,480
I first of all, I didn't say 
that. 

1000
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,920
Oh, I said that in terms of 
affairs reports a while ago. 

1001
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,200
I said today I think that 
President Trump should get the 

1002
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,600
Nobel Prize. 
So who's right? 

1003
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,680
Is Trump in the medical 
community right Or are you 

1004
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,000
right? 
President Trump did. 

1005
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,760
Did an extraordinary piece of 
leadership? 

1006
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,120
Is he right or wrong? 
Did COVID save millions of 

1007
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,640
lives? 
As I said, he got Americans back

1008
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,440
to work at that time. 
That particular vaccine was 

1009
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,360
perfectly matched the virus that
was circulating then, and I have

1010
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,600
no idea how many lives it saved,
but it saved quite a few. 

1011
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,720
A lot of odd statements there. 
What we can talk about it more 

1012
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,280
an extra, but Kennedy definitely
stammering and and kind of 

1013
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,680
waffling. 
They're not unlike his inaugural

1014
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,560
comments when he was first 
nominated. 

1015
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,400
And then Sanders saying, you 
know, how many did COVID save? 

1016
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,240
Kind of he's kind of 
misspeaking. 

1017
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,080
He meant to say COVID vaccine. 
So you've got one that's for the

1018
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,480
vaccine, which is pretty 
troubling, that being Sanders. 

1019
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,480
And then you've got Kennedy not 
being clear about his stance and

1020
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,760
even trying to say that the 
vaccine initially was a success,

1021
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,760
one that's highly questionable, 
if not outright false. 

1022
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,080
So then we have the other video.
If you'd like to show up, Mike, 

1023
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,560
we can proceed from there. 
Well, well, look, Mark, if you, 

1024
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,280
if you don't mind, let's let's 
push that into extra because I 

1025
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,080
actually want to draw some 
parallels here with with what 

1026
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,840
RFK has just said. 
And maybe something that's going

1027
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,200
on in the, in the United Kingdom
around Jeremy Corbyn. 

1028
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,880
Because it's it's quite 
interesting how when people are 

1029
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,280
pushed into a position that they
where they feel like they need 

1030
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,520
to say something that they don't
really believe, it gets very 

1031
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:24,040
tricky for them very quickly. 
In indeed, yeah, he, he does 

1032
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:28,680
look like he's, he's giving a 
confession or saying something 

1033
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,240
that he doesn't fundamentally 
believe. 

1034
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,560
You can see the conflict in his 
body language. 

1035
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,280
But that's fine, Mike. 
We'll, we'll go with what you 

1036
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,360
said, obviously. 
And so we're good. 

1037
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,120
Thank you, Mark. 
OK. 

1038
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,520
And Brian, just a couple of 
closing comments. 

1039
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,160
And I'd like to say to to the 
audience, wherever you are, 

1040
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,360
you're watching UK column news. 
But if you go to the UK column 

1041
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,320
website, there is a vast, vast 
amount of information on that 

1042
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,400
website. 
Thousands of hours of, of video 

1043
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,880
reports, UK column news, 
hundreds and hundreds of 

1044
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,760
articles, thousands of articles.
If you search on UK column 

1045
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:10,520
website, that is a good place to
start on almost any subject. 

1046
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,680
So if you're looking to research
something, go to the UK column 

1047
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,520
site 1st and have a look to see 
what we have said in the nearly 

1048
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,520
20 years that we've been 
reporting. 

1049
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,840
And finally, I'm going to give 
a, a last plea really to anybody

1050
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,320
out there listening to this 
news. 

1051
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,400
If you can come along to York, 
let's get these last few tickets

1052
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,320
sold, come along to the the 
event in New York. 

1053
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,560
It's going to be a fantastic 
event and it will be wonderful 

1054
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,800
for us to be able to meet you in
person. 

1055
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,480
So there we are. 
Can we get rid of these tickets 

1056
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,520
over the weekend? 
I think we can and it's going to

1057
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,120
be a tremendous event it. 
Absolutely is OK. 

1058
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,400
Thank you, Brian. 
Thank you, Mark and thanks to 

1059
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,120
everybody that's watched. 
If you're UK column members, 

1060
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,480
stick around on the live stream 
and in about four minutes time 

1061
01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:00,000
we'll start extra or so and 
otherwise have a great weekend. 

1062
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,920
We'll see you on Monday. 
Monday comes after the weekend, 

1063
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,440
doesn't it? 
Usually, yes. 

1064
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,040
OK, see you then. 
Bye. 

1065
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:06,320
Bye.