1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:13,200 Well, hello Clive Edwards, it's it's wonderful to to have you 2 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:18,200 here today on UK column to speak about what you do and your 3 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,000 wonderful website capillary wave. 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,520 And now I know you because you've been involved in, in the 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,400 local area that I'm in and been helping people and councils and 6 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,720 all sorts of things. And I've been over to your land, 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,680 which is amazing what you're doing there. 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,240 You know, you've, you've literally built yourself a, an 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,080 amazing fortress where you, you, you sort of you're, you're 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,840 walking your talk. You're, you're doing your whole, 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,960 you're living your life out of the system, which has got to be 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,920 commended. And I just wanted to ask you, 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,680 you know, you know, you say that your platform came out of your 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,320 sort of legal entanglements, you know, with your local council 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,200 and then a broader study of law and governance. 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,640 And you know, could you briefly sort of tell us about that 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,440 journey and how you got to where you are and, and what was the 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,840 turning point where you realised you were operating in one 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,120 jurisdiction rather than another? 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,880 Yeah. Well, firstly, thank you Sandy, 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,640 lovely to see you and thanks for, you know, thanks for 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,440 inviting me on the UK columns. Great to be here. 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:31,240 So as you say, I I came into stark conflict's a strong word, 24 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,560 but I guess perhaps it was conflict with the States. 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,160 They came and knocked on my door one day. 26 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,840 Head of planning enforcement. I was putting up a fence in on a 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,960 bit of on a field I've got where I stored some building 28 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:45,680 materials. I used to run a construction 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,760 company down in Somerset and then the head of planning, head 30 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,280 of planning enforcement turned up one day with his clipboard 31 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,680 and said, Clive, you've got to stop what you're doing. 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,040 And I've used the analogy before, but I was, my life was 33 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,320 bombing along at 100 mile an hour in the fast lane. 34 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,840 And all of a sudden the council came knocking and pulled the 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,040 handbrake up and I went into a tailspin. 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,640 And so I, I like basically they were, what this meant was it was 37 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:14,320 threatening the very existence of my building company. 38 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,240 And I was probably about 35 at the time. 39 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,760 I was just about to get married. You know, my life was just like 40 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,400 sort of taking off, if you know what I mean. 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,000 And then the council, the council turned up and basically 42 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,400 what they were asking me to do would have, you know, to cease 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,400 the store. And a building materials at my 44 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,120 field would have meant I'd have had to go and hire a yard. 45 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,280 You know, it would have, I think it would have put me out of 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,200 business. This was around 2007, eight when 47 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:39,960 the recession was biting really hard for those in the 48 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,800 construction industry. So it was tough enough as it 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,080 was. Then I had the council, well 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,280 actually had a joint, the joint forces of the local council and 51 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,680 then HMRC came knocking. So that brought me head first 52 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,840 into an indictable offence. Now I don't know if your 53 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,720 audience, no, I didn't know what an indictable offence was at the 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,880 time, but it's, it's with planning enforcement, it's an 55 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,400 unlimited fine and indictable means it's, you could be sent to 56 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,960 prison for it. So and it can end up in Crown 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,240 Court. So it's fairly serious. 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,880 I didn't know at the time how serious it was, but it was a 59 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,200 serious situation. Gosh. 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,480 And so you know, on your website you, you distinguish between 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,680 legal and lawful. How do you define those two 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,400 terms, and what are the practical consequences for an 63 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,600 individual who's unaware of that distinction? 64 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,440 Yeah, well, this is crucial, Sandy. 65 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,240 This finding out this distinction between legal and 66 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,480 lawful was the key to success in me because I, I ultimately I 67 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,160 defeated the, I say, defeated the council went away. 68 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,920 They didn't want to tangle them anymore because in the end I 69 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,520 became, I came to understand the system of law and governance 70 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,720 really well. And and I got it got to a stage 71 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,000 where I was able to pull their rules and show them with their 72 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,400 rules why they should leave me alone. 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,680 And I think that's, that's, that's the point of ultimate 74 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,560 success, when you can show your adversary their own rules as to 75 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,640 why they have to leave you alone, which we'll get on to, 76 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,760 I'm sure in this discussion. That's when, that's when they, 77 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,480 because that doesn't require their belief, their belief in 78 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,519 what I'm telling them I'm able to, I'm able to use their own 79 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:21,000 laws, which they understand to, to point out, you know, the 80 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,440 boundaries of their jurisdiction. 81 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,840 So for me, when the council came knocking, I had to, I mean, I 82 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,480 was in a tailspin. I again, I, I felt someone 83 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,000 dropped me in the middle of the sea and nobody knew if I could 84 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,240 swim. So I, I started just to do a, 85 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,280 you know, treading water a bit, just keep your neck above the 86 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:39,040 water. And I, I started by looking at 87 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,600 the council's enforcement policies because I thought, 88 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,400 well, you know, how on earth can this guy I've never, ever met 89 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,680 before in my life, How can he just turn up and put an end to 90 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,440 my end to my life, as I saw at the time. 91 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,400 So I started, I thought I'd start by looking at their 92 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,720 enforcement policies. And I, I did that and, and that, 93 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,640 that was, you know, that was fairly useful. 94 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:03,440 But the actual bit of gold that I found Sandy, which maybe a lot 95 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,360 of people aren't aware, but every council's got a what's 96 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,000 called a constitution. This is a really, really 97 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,280 important document. And in that constitution, I, so 98 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,000 I started reading that constitution. 99 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,200 And so, so I'll just put that there a minute because you asked 100 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,040 about legal and lawful. So the legal system, let's talk 101 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,080 about, I sent you some, a couple of photographs. 102 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,960 I don't know if you're able to put them on the screen, but. 103 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,720 Oh, right. I don't, oh, I don't know 104 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,400 whether I can do that right now. I did. 105 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,760 I yeah, there was a bit of a confusion this morning about 106 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:39,840 yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't get those two. 107 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:42,800 But I I I know that is it the two banners that you had at the 108 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:44,720 at the talk? I saw you do. 109 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:45,800 That's right. Yeah. 110 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,280 I do a few talks and my talks are available online. 111 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:53,040 And so the, the, the, the United Kingdom now this is something 112 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,200 that actually not enough people understand. the United Kingdom 113 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,600 is what is known at law is a, it's, it's a body politic. 114 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,840 And that's exactly what it sounds like. 115 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,960 It's a political body. It's a political structure. 116 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,120 It doesn't exist in reality. So it's, it's just a what in 117 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,040 terms of law and governance, it's known what's known as 118 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,320 illegal fiction. So, so if you, for instance, if 119 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,840 your audience was to go to Wikipedia and search for United 120 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:27,120 Kingdom, what they what will show, what Wikipedia will offer 121 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,160 them is a picture of a Union Jack and some heraldry. 122 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,040 And it'll you're able to click a button and you'll hear the 123 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,720 national anthem. Now, it's not able to show you 124 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,960 what the United Kingdom is because it's a political 125 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,040 construct. It doesn't exist in reality. 126 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:48,160 And I often say that my talks ioffer free tickets for a all 127 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,280 inclusive family holiday to Yugoslavia. 128 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,040 Just come and collect them and. There's no place exists anymore. 129 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:58,560 Exactly Yugoslavia that that political construct no longer 130 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,040 exists. The landmass exists just like 131 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,640 the landmass of the British Isles is a real and tangible 132 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,880 thing, but the company, the corporate entity that operates 133 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,520 out of it, United Kingdom, is not a tangible real thing. 134 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,960 So that's what a country is. And and so I came to so I 135 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,680 started scratching my head and I started thinking, well, how can 136 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,920 these state actors? Where did they get their 137 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,000 authority from? Like where does the council gain 138 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,080 their authority to turn up in my life and put an end to my life 139 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,920 as I saw it, my means of earning money for my family. 140 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,960 I was just about to get married, as I say, like, how did this 141 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,040 happen? So I started looking at the main 142 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,640 actors and States and saw, you know, what they did in in and 143 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,400 where they gained their authority from. 144 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,000 So that led me to the monarchs coronation that that and they 145 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,800 bring out the Bible, but the Bible is very prevalent in the 146 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,800 monarchs coronation and then I find. 147 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,400 In the oh, in the monarchs coronation, yeah. 148 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:54,560 Absolutely. Yeah. 149 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,640 I'll get on to the two jurisdictions of state in a 150 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,520 minute. We'll break it. 151 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:58,720 I'll break it down throughout that. 152 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,640 Throughout state. Yeah. 153 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,760 So in the monarchs coronation, anyone that's seen it, the the 154 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,960 Bible is very prevalent in that service. 155 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,880 But and then I also find find out that judges every year they 156 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,720 mark the start of the legal year. 157 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,160 There's such a thing as that's called a legal year. 158 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,360 And they marked the start of that legal year. 159 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,600 All the judiciary, all the top people in of, of the judiciary 160 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,560 in the legal system meets at Westminster Abbey and they sing 161 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,920 praise to God and our prayers and, and it's a very big 162 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,440 ceremony. So that's sort of got me 163 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,280 thinking. It's like, well, God's involved 164 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,120 in law and governance somewhere along it's, you know, God's 165 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,760 seriously involved here in law and governance. 166 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,679 And then I find out that in the House of Commons, every every 167 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,480 single day in the House of Commons, they have a prayer 168 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,640 session before, before Parliament opens. 169 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,120 Yes. They're not very godly though, 170 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,840 are they? No. 171 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,160 Well, we'll get into that because the legal system, civil 172 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,200 law, the legal systems run on civil law and civil, civil law 173 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,000 means is secularly organised and the definition of secular means 174 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,280 lacking in ethics and morality and a belief in God. 175 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,360 That is the definition of of secular. 176 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,160 Yeah. And we don't we at the moment 177 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,800 under a secular sort of legal system, don't we? 178 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Absolutely. So it is actually a godless 179 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,360 rather. Yeah, yes. 180 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,640 And, and I'll get on to explain why. 181 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,760 So what the legal system do is mimic the lawful system. 182 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,120 Now this took me about 15 years to find out. 183 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:33,720 So it was a, it was a very long, very long and arduous process. 184 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,760 Or I, I trawl through all their policies, their acts and, and 185 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,320 the Bible. And I had to do so forensically 186 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,040 at times. And so I came to find out that, 187 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,160 well, how the legal system work is they, they copy and mimic the 188 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,480 lawful system. They just, it's just a mirror, 189 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,160 mirror image of it. So on the lawful side, you've 190 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,200 got God our Father who art in heaven. 191 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,040 And, and on the legal side, the, I don't know how many people are 192 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,120 aware, but King Charles has got one of his titles is Father of 193 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,120 the nation. So when I found that, I thought 194 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,160 that's interesting. I wonder who the mother is. 195 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,800 So on the Bible, on the biblical side and the mother is the is 196 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,880 Christchurch. Like we're the living stones of 197 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,640 Christchurch. So we, the followers of Christ 198 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,840 are actually Christchurch. But then, but Christchurch is 199 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,040 known as mother Church. So I thought, well, who's the 200 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,680 mother on the legal side, since they're just copying and 201 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:31,400 mirroring it, mirroring everything. 202 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,840 So on the legal side, they've got the, the Church of England 203 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,840 is known as mother Church. And this is where this is where 204 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,920 it now starts to get really important because we'll bring it 205 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,520 down to councils and things in a, in a moment about my 206 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,560 particular fight. So on the on God's side, on the 207 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:50,800 Bible side, we're what's known as children of God, just in 208 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,880 simple terms. And on the legal side, we're 209 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,360 known, we're what's known as like the King's the father, the 210 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,600 church is the mother and we're infants wards of the state. 211 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,800 So that's what that's what we're we're viewed as and that's 212 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,320 that's what we become when we subject ourselves to to an 213 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,520 earthly king. And is that why certain areas 214 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,160 are called wards do you think? Yes, absolutely. 215 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,120 Exactly. Yeah. 216 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,960 And yes. And it's no, it's no coincidence 217 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,280 that when you're dealing in elections, you elect someone 218 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,800 from a ward of a district. That's right. 219 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,160 And and you became so when we when we get involved in the in 220 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,200 the voting system is when you do you have to get enrolled on the 221 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,480 electoral register. Now that that when you enrol on 222 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,480 the electoral register that then places you as a subject of the 223 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,400 king in just in short terms. So you become and that breaks 224 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,040 the first commandment because in the first commandment it says 225 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,600 thou thou shall have no other gods before me. 226 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,680 And in that commandment is the small G God and the strongest 227 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:03,480 congolonance of that small G God is earthly kings, judges and 228 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,680 rulers. So that was very interesting to 229 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:13,240 me that the voting process makes you, if you like it, it breaks 230 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,280 the first commandment and and God says in the in the Bible 231 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,120 call no man on earth your father, because there is one 232 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,320 Father in in heaven. And of course, so when you enrol 233 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,320 on the electoral register and become a subject of an earthly 234 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,080 king, he then becomes your father. 235 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,800 That's why he gets to make the rules and you become an infinite 236 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,240 of the state. Yeah. 237 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,120 So, so in fact, so this, this when you've got the two, the two 238 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,720 jurisdictions, you've got God's law and you've got this secular 239 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,880 legal system that that has kind of been overlaid on the top of 240 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,080 God's law because God's law was there in the beginning. 241 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,120 Is that what you're saying? And then this was kind of 242 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,480 brought in over the top to kind of trance it. 243 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,000 I wouldn't say it's brought in. I wouldn't say it's brought in 244 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,280 over the top because they put it right there before us. 245 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,720 It's right under our noses, but it is it's in the hierarchy. 246 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,640 It sits below God's law, if you like. 247 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,000 It's gone in the biblical system and the and the because they all 248 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:13,560 go to in their ceremonies and worship God and we and we then 249 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:16,200 subjected ourselves to the king and they worship God. 250 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,520 So, so I'm trying to, I'm paying devil's advocate here. 251 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,600 So you're saying 2 tiered during jurisdiction basically. 252 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,560 And you've got, you've got 2, two different factions, but they 253 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:35,960 kind of merged together for, for the, for, for show, for theatre, 254 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,920 for whatever it is. But underneath it all they are 255 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,560 godless. Is that what you're saying? 256 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:42,720 I'm trying to get my head around this, Yeah. 257 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,600 No. So the hierarchy is, is that the 258 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,320 legal system is a derivative, derivative of the biblical 259 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,680 lawful system because everyone's period of legal, what's legal 260 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:55,400 and what's lawful, but very few actually understand what lawful 261 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,760 actually means. Lawful is a, it means it's 262 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,440 referring to the Bible and that and that doctrine. 263 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,520 So yeah, the legal system is body politics are run on civil 264 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,000 law and civil law is Roman law, which is why the king at his 265 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,080 coronation Dons an imperial crown. 266 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,160 Imperial means Roman, but at his coronation he Dons 2 crimes and 267 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,160 those two crimes of office reflect reflect the two 268 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,640 jurisdictions. So he he puts on the crown of 269 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,680 Saint Edward's crime which is known as the crown of God and 270 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,480 that that reflects the jurisdiction under God. 271 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,080 And that he also in the same coronation, puts on a an 272 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,560 imperial crown, and that is the Roman crown, reflecting his 273 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,800 office of state where he rules over the subjects. 274 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,480 So is it that he's serving 2 masters in that? 275 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:49,160 In that. Respect. 276 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:50,840 Yeah. He has tried to choose 277 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,640 jurisdictions because in Romans 13, one, it says the powers that 278 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,800 be are ordained by God. So if you like God said, God 279 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,720 said for those that turn their back on me, IE break the first 280 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,960 commandment and go and subject themselves to an earthly king, 281 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,440 which we're told not to. For those that do that, you can 282 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,240 go over there and he will govern you. 283 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,560 And that's that's why they're allowed to. 284 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,320 That's why they're allowed to beat you up because you you've 285 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:22,040 broke the first commandment. Now that that the King's two 286 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,560 crimes of office are reflected at judge at judges level as 287 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,520 well. So judges swear, judges swear to 288 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,000 oaths. 1 oath is to the office of the United Kingdom and that 289 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,760 office there and the other oath is now these oaths take diligent 290 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,360 and forensic reading, OK. But the other oath is it is to 291 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,160 do with the jurisdiction under God. 292 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,960 And there's maxims of law that says judge is judged for God. 293 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,080 And there's another one that says it's punishment enough for 294 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,920 a judge to know that he's judged by God. 295 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,240 So. I, no, I I wasn't aware of that 296 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,800 because from what I've looked at, and I don't want to in any 297 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,600 way disagree with you in in this respect, but I was under the 298 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,880 assumption that that council judges rather swear the oath to 299 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,600 the King. Yeah, that's that's right. 300 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,440 They swear one oath to the office of United Kingdom, which 301 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,320 is under the King. So that's correct. 302 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,720 Well, I I thought it was only that I didn't. 303 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,960 I I'm from what I'm aware of, they don't swear to to God. 304 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,480 Yeah, well, one of the one, the other oath is under the 305 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,200 jurisdiction. I'll just say it like that, 306 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,400 under the jurisdiction of God. So because, because the king 307 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,560 destroyed 2, the king destroyed 2 jurisdictions. 308 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:43,160 So judges if, if the if there wasn't 22 jurisdictions, judges 309 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,640 wouldn't need to swear 2 oaths. And, and, and this rolls down at 310 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,600 the police level. That's why a police officer is 311 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,960 also a police constable. So the police constable swears 312 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,320 an oath to protect the people. Now the people are on on God's 313 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,360 side. That's. 314 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,280 Something I do want to get straight because you talk about 315 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,800 people and persons and people are living souls under God's law 316 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,760 and persons illegal fictions under legislative control. 317 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,720 So it sounds a bit straw, manly and freeman on the land, which I 318 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,880 must admit I keep right away from, but. 319 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,280 Yeah, so do I. Yeah, just just on that point, 320 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,560 I've got an article that that explains and denounces the 321 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,920 Freeman on the land position because that's that's that's a 322 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,800 fallacy that's going to go nowhere. 323 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:38,560 But persons are mentioned in the Bible and there's many places it 324 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,000 says if you have respect to persons, you've transgressed the 325 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,040 law and sinned and it says that's it. 326 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,840 James 29, I think it isn't it Job 3221, it says have no 327 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,400 respect of man's person or don't accept man's title or, or my or 328 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,760 my maker will surely take me away. 329 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,480 So persons are mentioned throughout the Bible and in 99% 330 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,560 of the of the cases it's a very bad thing to be so a. 331 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,400 Person. A person? 332 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:04,880 Yes. A. 333 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,040 Person is is really under the jurisdiction of the legislative. 334 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,200 That's right. And that's why, and that's 335 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,000 exactly why it's bad in the eyes of God, because you broke the to 336 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,920 be a person of the state, you would have had to break the 337 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,040 first commandment. Have no other gods before me. 338 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,080 So you'll only become a person when you subject yourself to an 339 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,120 earthly king, which is why going back to the constables of those 340 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:31,720 22 jurisdictions, again, a police officer like the clues 341 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,120 and the title of that, that's for the office of the State of 342 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:38,760 the United Kingdom. And a, a police constable swears 343 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,480 an oath to protect people and property. 344 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,600 So that's on the jurist on God. So it's, it's an oath on this 345 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,320 side because an oath is a, a pledge to a deity. 346 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,960 So it's higher than mankind. So that's the oath side and 347 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,760 under God. OK, I'm, I'm because obviously 348 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,440 our viewers, you know, are, are looking at all this going, Oh my 349 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,480 goodness, this is this is it really scrambles your brain, 350 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:01,880 doesn't it? It does. 351 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,280 So tell me, I mean, there's the, the the reason why I've steered 352 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,160 very clear of ever interviewing anyone from any kind of common 353 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,720 law thing is because everybody argues about their system is 354 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,720 right, you're wrong, every single one of them. 355 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,800 And that it, it really puts you off. 356 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,600 I mean, it puts you off. I agree. 357 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,720 What? What's different? 358 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,200 About your system, tell me what wins. 359 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,720 Have you actually managed to for other people as well? 360 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,480 I'll tell you. Exactly what's different about 361 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,320 what I talk about? Because it's the very fact that 362 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,240 it's not my system. Yeah, it's, it's not. 363 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,320 It's nothing to do with Clive Edwards. 364 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,320 I just have to find that this is the system. 365 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,680 This is a paradigm, is a model. It's a system. 366 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,200 And, and, and what I've what I'm explaining now explain on my 367 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,360 website is the paradigm is the model. 368 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,920 And, and I found out these two jurisdictions go from the king 369 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,200 to judges to the police, right down to local councils. 370 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,480 And we'll get on to that. I'm sure in a bit amended 371 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,240 District Council. I'll show you their evidence to 372 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,680 their constitution. Where where it breaks, it breaks 373 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,840 the, the difference between the people of God and the persons in 374 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,000 the electorate of the state. Believe it or not, it's in your 375 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,520 local council's constitution. Yeah, would that. 376 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,640 Work because mend it doesn't exist anymore. 377 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,960 It says they they've gone unitary and they that's right 378 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,840 there now. Is Somerset Council, I believe, 379 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,160 isn't it? It would be that, yeah. 380 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,360 It's. Somerset now would it be the 381 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,880 same? So we've got. 382 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,000 I've got members at Capillary from all over Britain and so 383 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,520 we've we're building up a a library of council's 384 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,680 constitutions. So there's there's a 385 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,120 constitution. Basingstoke, I did send you 386 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:44,280 through the photograph that for, yes, yeah. 387 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,080 I'm sorry for your audience. Yeah, it's. 388 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,800 It's I've got it on my that we we can put. 389 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,800 Those in the show notes OK. Show notes. 390 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,640 So fantastic, your two banners and everything else in the show 391 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,760 notes. Yeah, yeah. 392 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,600 So if you like. I, I'll read out Basingstoke's, 393 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,120 an excerpt from Basingstoke's council because this is relevant 394 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,800 because I had to when I found this out, it's when Mendip 395 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,160 started to leave me alone on my for the planning issue. 396 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,280 And that's when I went on to build a farm. 397 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,480 And as you said, you visited my farm, Sandy, and seen it with 398 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,960 your own eyes. So, and that was many years ago 399 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,360 that I had this battle with Mendeb. 400 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:22,400 It's it's long, it's long in the dust night. 401 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,600 But so this the two jurisdictions of state from the 402 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,240 king to the judges to police. And now this is at local council 403 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,360 level where it talks about the people of God. 404 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,400 It doesn't say people of God, obviously, it just says people. 405 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,120 And then it talks about the election and council taxpayers. 406 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,680 So in basing, sorry, Gravesend Borough Council's constitution, 407 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,160 it says allow local people to have a real and informed say 408 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,520 about the issues that affect them. 409 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,200 So local people, the councils are accountable to people, but 410 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,560 they're not accountable to the electorate, the subjects of the 411 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,760 king. So at the very next line it says 412 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,120 this explain to electors and council taxpayers the reasons 413 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,240 for particular policies and priorities. 414 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,640 So the council explains the policies to their electorate, 415 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,680 because if you're one of the electorate, you're what's known 416 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,120 as a commoner, and a commoner is a member of the third estate of 417 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:17,960 the realm. They're the commoner is the 418 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,360 lowest position at law you can be, whereas one of the people 419 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,280 was the highest position at law you can be. 420 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,840 So when I started to find this stuff out and started to mention 421 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,440 in this to amend the District Council, they backed off of me 422 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,800 big time. I said I'm one of the people. 423 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,120 What did that look like? The backing off, how did how did 424 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,200 that present well, don't get so. Let's just paint the picture. 425 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,480 I mean, I had to go. I had police turning up here, 426 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,320 enforcement officers. I'm talking this is years of 427 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,840 probably 3-4, five years of, let's call it discussions with 428 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,920 Mendip Council that involved enforcement officers and the 429 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,920 police. Now, I didn't know a lot of this 430 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,720 at the time. They were just treating me as 431 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,800 one of the lecturer, one of their commoners. 432 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,000 And when I started to understand this and find this out, I 433 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,680 started right into the Section 151 officer and they are 434 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,120 responsible to make sure the Council operates doesn't operate 435 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,160 ultravirus, which means beyond the law. 436 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,640 It's the section. 15151 officers job to make sure. 437 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,800 Now it will say in their constitution to operate legally 438 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,680 and lawfully. It says it in their own 439 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,040 constitution. So it evidences these two 440 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,200 jurisdictions that we're talking about today in their own 441 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,240 constitution and it's the Section 1. 442 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,960 Sorry, I, I just because they, they, they operate legally and 443 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,000 lawfully. So you use both sides of of 444 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,680 this, yes, you've got God's law and then you've got the, the 445 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,320 legal system, the. Legal. 446 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,000 System. Yes, that's correct. 447 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,920 They use both. They use both. 448 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,600 It's a melding of the two. No that. 449 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,760 No, it's not a melding. It's they have citizens of the 450 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,640 state to look after and then they also they're accountable to 451 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,960 the people and the God. They're accountable to me, but 452 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,920 they're not accountable to their own citizens because as as a 453 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,880 citizen, you consented to be governed, you pledged that you 454 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,360 make yourself a subject. So it's a matter of choice which 455 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:18,360 you the decide you're going to be governed by. 456 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:21,040 Yeah, yeah, everyone's. Familiar with that phrase freed 457 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:26,160 sorry, consent of the governed and we do we do have a choice so 458 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,400 how do you. How do you get yourself out of 459 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,320 the matrix? Then what do you have to do? 460 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,000 Right, that's a really good question. 461 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,960 So right, the word Atorn, the word Atorn means to turn away 462 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,840 from 1 Lord and go and serve another. 463 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,520 There's only two jurisdiction as mankind on planet earth. 464 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,800 There's only ever two things you can be under. 465 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,440 You can be under man or God. That's it. 466 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,520 So and certain that's the situation at Britain here. 467 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,560 You can be under man in the United Kingdom under that under 468 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,560 the jurisdiction of the, the secular legal system, or he can 469 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,200 be under God on the, on, on the British Isles, which which is 470 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,760 what I did. So the word atone means to turn 471 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,480 away from 1 Lord to go and serve another Lord. 472 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,280 And that's why there's a, a general in, in charge of all the 473 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:17,120 attorneys, the attorney general. So I wrote to the attorney 474 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:21,920 general and explained to him some of this and and then I 475 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,720 rescinded my consent to be, to have that name, that legal name 476 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,400 on the electoral register. So that that's the first thing. 477 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,600 Because if I'd, I had in my mind that the council was very likely 478 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,480 going to take me to court over this planning thing. 479 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,320 Because in the end, I wrote to the local council and told them 480 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,000 that I was going to build a house on this field. 481 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,280 And if they had any objections, let me know. 482 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,440 But they never wrote back to me. And I've gone ahead and built a 483 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,240 farm as you, as you, as you know. 484 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,160 So. And the reason they've left me 485 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,080 alone and not they, they, they, they've refused to take me to 486 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,760 court. I've written in 3 or 4 letters 487 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,360 to them over the years asking them to take me to court. 488 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,200 Now Mendip got a, an expert in planning law from South Wales to 489 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,760 come and prosecute me. And especially for my case. 490 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,120 I know that because I asked him and when he got the job I asked 491 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,600 for a meeting with him, which I did at mended district council's 492 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,040 offices. We had a meeting. 493 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,600 I asked him a few things. I said have I got a right to a 494 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,560 private life? He said yes. 495 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,200 I said can the council force themselves to to be my 496 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,080 authority? He said no, we've got that 497 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,760 choice. A council is just a you didn't 498 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,560 have to. No, that's right. 499 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,760 They can't, for we've got we got freedom of choice. 500 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,000 A council and a local authority are different things. 501 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,680 A council becomes a local authority when you submit 502 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,960 yourself, when you're a subject of the king, you then become one 503 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,040 of their electorate. But I'm one of the people under 504 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,160 God, so they're not my local authority, but they are a 505 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,360 council and they're accountable to me. 506 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,920 Now their own constitution states that. 507 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,560 So it's so they're, they're I asked, I also asked their, this, 508 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,960 their planning expert, if it's illegal not to have planning 509 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,080 permission. And he said, no, it's not. 510 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,160 And I knew it wasn't. I asked him these questions 511 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,840 because I knew the answer. Now we've got a right to a 512 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,560 private life and a private life is on the, it's not under God 513 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,640 because everything, everything under the UK, under the UK 514 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,240 system is in common. That's why we have the House of 515 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,840 Commons. We have people play on the 516 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,840 common land exactly that they play on the Commons. 517 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,200 That's why there's a Commonwealth. 518 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,960 It's owned, it's owned commonly. But I've got they say you've got 519 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,280 a right to a private life. And so I started pointing these 520 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,040 things out. And it was at that point the 521 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,840 their planning expert said to me, Clive, we're not going to 522 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,280 take you to court. What? 523 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:45,760 Because you. You. 524 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,680 Knew you knew where you stood, and they knew where you stood 525 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,440 precisely. Sandy Yeah. 526 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,400 And this is what I'm saying because as you said, you know, 527 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,760 you refer to the common law and the straw man stuff. 528 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,600 That's a lot. That's a lot of nonsense. 529 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,440 And then you, you know, you said what about my system? 530 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,920 And, and that's my point. This isn't my system. 531 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,840 I just pointed out what their rules say because it's the 532 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,200 system. It's their system. 533 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,800 This is the system of law and governance. 534 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,080 Now I find this absolutely fascinating and This is why I, I 535 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,920 kind of wanted you on and I know I've been to your land and you 536 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,960 have literally built it. It's impenetrable. 537 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,080 So what many people can do that if they have, if they, if they 538 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,040 buy a field and they want to, you know, put structures on it 539 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,040 and, and live on the land the way that you do. 540 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,080 Some people haven't got the means to build great big walls 541 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,720 and electric gates and what have you. 542 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,160 So would it work for them? Is that one reason why they're 543 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,800 not? Or is it because you have come 544 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,320 out of the matrix and they know it? 545 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,720 Or is it because you're you're such a fortress? 546 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,080 It's I. Mean I knew. 547 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,600 So just on the fortress part, I knew. 548 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,040 Listen, when I started doing this, I knew I was in, I knew I 549 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,080 was running headlong into a battle with the state. 550 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,440 So like any good general, you have to get your defences in 551 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,280 order first. So I put a boundary wall UPS 552 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,480 because I wanted I, I, I made it difficult them to just walk in. 553 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,960 I needed them to go and get a court warrant more either. 554 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,840 So to get into my place, you either have to be invited in or 555 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,320 you need court paperwork. So I made it hard for the 556 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,640 council to just walk in because they will just walk in. 557 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,560 OK, so that's that's that point. But yeah, the main point is 558 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,480 because because I understood the two jurisdictions of man and 559 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,840 God, legal and lawful, and I and I rescinded my consent to be 560 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,000 governed on the legal side, I took the name off of the 561 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,960 electoral register. So now when I tell them I'm a 562 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,760 people under God, I'm not lying because it's no good claiming to 563 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,480 be a people under God if you're if the legal name, because the 564 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,040 the electoral register is evidence of your consent to be 565 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,600 governed under the legal system. It's written evidence of it. 566 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,400 So to your point, yet any people can do what I've done. 567 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,720 I'm not saying it's easy because like me, most most citizens have 568 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,600 been walking around on the government rung duck farm for 569 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,920 20-30 forty years. So the government think, well, 570 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,320 hang on, you're one of our ducks. 571 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,880 You've been waddling and quacking like one of our ducks. 572 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,720 What are you doing? Telling us you're a swan? 573 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,760 Yeah. And when? 574 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,720 You, when you make these distinctions and when you see 575 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,160 what I do is point out in their own laws, Sandy, I I find this 576 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,800 stuff in their constitution, in the council's constitution. 577 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,880 Yeah, it's. It is there. 578 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,960 Before our nose, but it's taken me 15 years to piece it all 579 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,480 together. Yeah, I mean, you, you've been 580 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,320 writing about how the governments drive their power 581 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,200 through our consent, often without realising it. 582 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,560 So what forms of hidden consent are most people giving and how 583 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,040 do they withdraw or transform from that consent? 584 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,760 Apart from saying I'm not, I'm not going to be on the electoral 585 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,720 register, go to the attorney general and say I'm not going 586 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,320 to, you know, I'm going to turn away from you. 587 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,960 What? What other things can one do to 588 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,880 transform that consent to, to actually really get yourself out 589 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,240 of the system? Yeah. 590 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,320 Yeah. So one. 591 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,000 Of the obviously being on the electoral register is the main, 592 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,120 is the main evidence of your consent to the UK legal system. 593 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,720 Now it's no, it's no coincidence the, the electoral register's 594 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,640 like a bit like the school register that your choosers, you 595 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,960 know, twice a twice a day, morning and afternoon. 596 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,560 Sandy Adams Yes, Miss Well, the electoral register is very 597 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,720 similar. They get you when you called up 598 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,480 for jury service, they get the names of the electoral register. 599 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,040 And this is important, as is war conscription, as is war 600 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,600 conscription. They get those names of the 601 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,680 electoral register and that's very relevant right now, I 602 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,280 think. So on a, on smaller scales, I 603 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,640 said to you that accounts on A and a local authority are 604 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,280 different things at law and they are. 605 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,120 So a council, a council becomes a local authority. 606 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,960 In my instance, had I applied for planning permission, then 607 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,200 that would, I would have effectively been signing up to 608 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,520 the terms and conditions of the Town and Country Planning Act 609 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,000 because the planning permission is basically an agreement. 610 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,760 I give them money, they send the guy out to make sure I'm 611 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,440 building it to the standards of the Town and Country Planning 612 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,720 Act and the terms and conditions of that act and that that's a 613 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,520 contractual relationship. So they can only issue an 614 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,840 enforcement notice under 2 under 2 circumstances. 1 is 615 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,080 contractual. IEI pay them money for an 616 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560 extension or a house and they give me permission and then I 617 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,440 build it and then they send someone out and say yes, you 618 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,200 built it to the agreement. So and if you don't build it to 619 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,800 the agreement, you'll find yourself in court. 620 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,520 The other way they can enforce against their citizens or or 621 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,320 people actually, as if you've caused to harm IEA slurry tank 622 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,680 bursts and there's slurry emptying into a river, killing 623 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,480 all the fish, damaging farmland down the river. 624 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,960 Now that's harm. So they'll come out and jump on 625 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,240 you in a heartbeat. And so they should so. 626 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,120 So enforcement can only be issued under 2 circumstances. 1 627 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,480 is contractual when a council then becomes an authority at 628 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,000 your consent and the other is through harm. 629 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,000 Yeah, I mean. What what I've noticed really 630 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,920 about the way you operate and the way other people operate 631 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,680 within the common law, if you like, arena, is that you work 632 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:35,440 very much as an individual. And, you know, could this be 633 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,040 your, your world, your, your kind of, could it be a fantasy 634 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,760 world that you've built up? How can you prove to me that 635 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,920 this is, this is something that you are living by apart from the 636 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,000 fact that you've you've built all these amazing structures? 637 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,080 Have you, have you had successes outside of your, you know, 638 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,640 helping people, for instance, with council stuff or, or given 639 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,680 your own planning permission? Have you helped anyone else that 640 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,080 Yeah, yeah. So. 641 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,679 When the council came at me all those years ago, I, I, I didn't 642 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,360 know anything. I thought, crikey, I need to get 643 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,880 some court experience. All right. 644 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,080 So I then went on to a planning forum. 645 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,719 I'm, I'm going to get to your point in a minute, but I have to 646 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,239 give you a bit of back story. So then I went on to a planning 647 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,679 forum and started talking about these topics on the planning 648 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:24,760 forum. And I said, you don't need 649 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,159 planning permission. And this planning forum was 650 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:31,880 populated by professionals in the planning field, solicitors 651 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,080 and and planning advisors and farmers and small holders. 652 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,880 So it's a wide select a wide selection of society. 653 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,400 So when I went on there and explained to them, you don't 654 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,400 need planning permission, the whole forum erupted. 655 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,880 And I was able to answer all the questions in a in a common 656 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,480 sensical way. And I soon started attracting 657 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,000 like I would then have farmers come to me saying, Clive, I'm in 658 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,440 court on Wednesday, can you come and help me? 659 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,960 So then I would go and help these farmers and I went all 660 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,080 around Britain doing that. I for, for a few years. 661 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,400 I still do it now occasionally. So, but back then I, because I 662 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,640 knew I needed court experience. So I thought, right, I'll use 663 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,280 the council didn't want to take me to court. 664 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,400 So I thought I'll use other people's cases to gain my court 665 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,000 experience because that was an area I needed to get experience 666 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,520 in. So that's what I did. 667 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,120 I went, went all around Britain, Cumbria, down to Cornwall. 668 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,960 And to your point, whilst I was doing that, a mutual friend 669 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,120 contacted me from the guy who built a castle behind hay bells 670 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,640 down in Red Hill, down in Surrey. 671 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,760 You may remember it was a very, it was the biggest planning case 672 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,880 in the in United Kingdom at the time. 673 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,640 A guy called Mr Fiddler, Mr Robert Fiddler built a castle. 674 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,280 That's right. He built a castle, hid it behind 675 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,960 hay bells and then anyway ended up in the High Court in London. 676 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,880 And so turns out we had a mutual friend who contacted me and Rob 677 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,640 wanted me to keep him out of prison because he had a 678 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,280 committal hearing at the High Court in London. 679 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,360 So Rob contacted me said, can you keep me out of prison? 680 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,400 I said, we'll give it a go. We went to court. 681 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,440 It's it's well documented, the BBC were there. 682 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,040 It was a very, very high profile case. 683 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,240 And at the end friends of mine said to me, how will, how will 684 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,760 we know if you're successful, Clive? 685 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,040 I said if Rob Fiddler walks out with me on the court steps after 686 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,960 after this case then it's a success. 687 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,040 I don't care what the BBC say. And and sure enough, Rob, Rob 688 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,120 was with me on the on the court steps afterwards. 689 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,960 So they didn't send. Him to gaol, but they did pull 690 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120 his castle down, yes. Yeah. 691 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,680 They they made him take his castle down. 692 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, that's that's kind of a win, 693 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,760 but yeah, he's well. He's well. 694 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,320 I. Got called. 695 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,280 I got called in to keep him out of prison because he had a 696 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,960 committal. Oh, well, that's good, yeah. 697 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,120 Reigating bans. Did Reigate and bans did had a 698 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,840 committal hearing so it was tear it up and be sent down. 699 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,280 But we kept them out of the at the jewels of the Yeah, at the 700 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,920 dragon is it? I mean, how, how, what did you 701 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,720 use to to stop him from going into court to prison? 702 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,680 Well, we. Used a couple of tactics, some 703 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,640 of which are things that we've explained here and I explained 704 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,480 on my website. Another, another means was 705 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,840 because we had evidence that Reigate and Bankstead cast 706 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,960 council use blackmail in that case. 707 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:25,280 So I so we opened up a a case for blackmail that morning. 708 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,280 I think it might have been that morning, I can't remember, that 709 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,560 was a long time ago, but we opened up a case for blackmail 710 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,880 against the council, the council solicitor, the council 711 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,120 solicitor. I don't want to get, I don't 712 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,000 want to open up a massive can of worms. 713 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,920 And but the council solicitor blackmailed, there was blackmail 714 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,000 and we had evidence of it. This is not just we, we had 715 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,080 evidence of it. So we opened up a case for 716 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,560 blackmail in the High Court and then we made the judge aware of 717 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,160 that. So a judge bearing in mind, so 718 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,680 this judge in, in Rob's case had Rob and the council in front of 719 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,400 him and we, and that the same sign now that judge has also got 720 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,080 a case in front, not in front of him. 721 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,280 I, I might add a case that had been opened, but we let him know 722 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,400 there's a case for blackmail have been opened against the 723 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,680 council. So the judge in this case has 724 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,240 knowledge of the fact that if he sends Rob down, that could be an 725 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,800 unsafe conviction because there's a case in the High Court 726 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,880 now for blackmail against the very council that are trying to 727 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,000 get Rob sent down, right? Yeah. 728 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,000 So this is, I mean, The thing is that it's all so complicated 729 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,040 because I mean, what would you say to, to a lot of, there's a 730 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,840 lot of people out there who are, are are, you know, looking at 731 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,160 this in, in different ways We've got and they all argue. 732 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,240 What would you say? Why would you say your your 733 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:44,920 system is is is is working and there's possibly isn't? 734 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,480 Or do you not look at anybody else's work? 735 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,840 I don't. Tend to look at anyone else's 736 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,680 work, Sandy. I'm obviously aware of the other 737 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,680 arguments that are right there. So so again, it works because 738 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,760 it's not my system. That's why it works. 739 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,480 It works because it's not Clive Edwards's system. 740 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,200 It works because that's the very foundations, the pillars of what 741 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,600 the United Kingdom is built upon the king himself Don's two 742 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,880 crimes. The Bible states that the powers 743 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,760 that be are ordained of God. So these things are the 744 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,680 fundamental principles that govern the Commonwealth 745 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,280 countries and I would argue the countries of the world, but 746 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,000 certainly the Commonwealth countries. 747 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,360 And and. All of the Acts of Parliament, 748 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,280 all of the Acts of Parliament talk about God and talk of 749 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:39,600 Lord's spiritual Lord's common. Now there there's a the so I'll 750 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,200 also mention another act of Parliament called the Confession 751 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,280 of Faith Ratification Act 1560. Now that act of Parliament 752 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,400 states that the Bible's the infallible truth and the Bible 753 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,440 states not to subject yourself to a king, an earthly king. 754 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,280 So we've clearly got 2 systems evidence just from the fact that 755 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,000 the legal system says God and the Bible are the truth and the 756 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,520 and God and the Bible says don't, don't submit yourself to 757 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,440 that system. So. 758 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,640 It's really down to Do you believe in God or are you 759 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,640 secular? Because there's, that's massive. 760 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,520 That's that's huge, Sandy. Yeah. 761 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,600 Because, listen, I was going to come on today and and the 762 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,200 question I was going to pose to your audience is do you believe 763 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,320 in freedom? What does freedom mean to your 764 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,960 audience? Do they believe they're free? 765 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,960 Now, I would struggle to believe that many of them would put 766 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,440 their hand up and say, yes, I'm free. 767 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,200 Certainly not, not in these times. 768 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,600 We're we're we're under now. I've freed myself from the 769 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,920 state. Now that's a bold statement to 770 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,720 make, but that's true. I mean, what's the definition of 771 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,280 freedom? I don't know what the definition 772 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,760 is, but I'll tell you what it looks like. 773 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,760 I've built a farm without asking the government for permission to 774 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,520 do so. That means I'm completely free 775 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,240 of their jurisdiction. None of their taxes apply to me. 776 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,360 Obviously, we all pay taxes in some way. 777 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,880 When I go and fill the car up at a petrol station, I'm paying 778 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,680 VAT. You can't escape some. 779 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,520 But I don't pay income tax. I don't pay any of these tax 780 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,720 says in the Bible it's unlawful to pay tax. 781 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,280 So I've removed myself from the jurisdiction. 782 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,400 So I would I'm free. This says in the Bible that 783 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,920 Jesus yoke is a light yoke. So you're right to point out the 784 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,360 fact. Yeah, I feel sorry for atheists 785 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,520 because they can never attain freedom and they can't. 786 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,480 It's impossible. They're always be on demand. 787 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,920 This this. This, I mean, this, this kind of 788 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,800 story of the, the duality that we're living in is bringing a 789 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,640 lot of people back to what, what are my core beliefs? 790 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,320 You know, when you've got a corrupt system and you've got, 791 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,680 you know, the, the, the, the world actually descending into 792 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:53,080 chaos, people are beginning to, to question what, you know, who 793 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,280 is in charge, what, what is there a battle going on between, 794 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,000 you know, a fundamental good and evil. 795 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,640 And I, I think a lot of people are seeing that. 796 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,800 So your work often connects the Scripture and the spiritual law 797 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,520 to earthly governance. Do you see natural law as 798 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,440 literally divine, an expression of, of God's order? 799 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,280 If so, how does that challenge the secular legal system? 800 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,640 Then how does so Sandy? I'm I'm just an ordinary guy, 801 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,560 OK? Like I, I say I'm, I'm a 802 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,960 Carpenter by trade and for me like A + B has to equal C or I 803 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,080 often make the joke. Obviously in carpentry terms, if 804 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,120 you're cutting rafters, it's a ^2 + b ^2 = C ^2. 805 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:43,320 But so listen, natural law that's that doesn't mean 806 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,320 anything to me. I can't get what where can I go 807 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,120 and evidence it? I need evidence to free myself 808 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,200 from this day. I need to point at fact. 809 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,280 I need to point at their paperwork and rules that they 810 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,400 accept to be true evidence. I need to show, I need to show 811 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,800 the council evidence. So natural law is means nothing 812 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,440 to me, not to me. So, but I'll tell you there's an 813 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,600 act of Parliament, as I've said, that says the Bible is the 814 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,600 infallible truth. So I went, no, I wouldn't have 815 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,400 gone so far. As I say, I was an atheist. 816 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,520 That would have been a hard line that I wouldn't have crossed. 817 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,800 But like, don't talk to me about the Bible 15 years ago. 818 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,960 I wasn't interested, but but my enemies, the state say that that 819 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,560 book's true. So I thought I'd best go and 820 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:31,000 have a look at it. So when when I talk about God 821 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,760 and God and and God's law and that doctrine of the lawful 822 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,400 doctrine, I talk about what the Bible talks about. 823 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,320 And now, because I can go there, just like you can go to an act 824 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:49,800 of Parliament and quote Section 2 clause, AI can go to Job 3222 825 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,000 and quote that and they understand it. 826 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,640 They've authorised the version of the Bible called the King 827 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,960 James Version 1611. The Crown has said if you want 828 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,920 to talk to us about the Bible you can use that one. 829 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,760 So I did, and when I started quoting that book at that 830 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,760 council, they ran a mile. That's really interesting. 831 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,160 Now which council was that? That was Mendip in those days, 832 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,480 was it? Yeah, it was. 833 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,600 Yeah, yeah. And of course since then I've, I 834 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,480 mean, I've learnt a heck of a lot since my early days of 835 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,200 Mendip. And since then I've, I've, I've 836 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,160 helped people now because listen, if you get these 837 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,640 arguments right, you don't need to go to court. 838 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,040 They won't take me to court. I mean, I've asked them and I 839 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,800 know why they won't take me to court because I'm one of the 840 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,760 people and a judge is judged for God and it's punishment enough 841 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,000 for a judge that he's, he's judged by God. 842 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,560 Why on earth would they want one of gods under in his courtroom 843 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,240 sat under a, a Crest that says God and my right. 844 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,480 All these judges in the crown courts sit under a Crest with a 845 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,400 lion and a Unicorn. It says Duet Montouat is French 846 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,160 and it means God and my right. So gods are not gods in the 847 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,440 courtrooms. Right. 848 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,840 So, so they're using they're they're using this to to really 849 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,960 lure people into their jurisdiction in a way or, or is 850 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,120 it that they, they, I'm, I'm trying to work it out. 851 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:10,840 Really. How? 852 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,640 Yeah, I've noticed that an awful lot of people who are doing this 853 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,520 common law work do end up in courts and they fail because 854 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,000 they're not. I don't know if you. 855 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,480 Yeah, I don't know if you're confused in what I do with 856 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,560 common law because I've written an article called the Common 857 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,760 Common Law Trap for Commoners, where I where I denounce common 858 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,120 law because the clue's in the title, common law is for the 859 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,880 commoners and commoners are subject to the king. 860 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,360 The Bible is what's known as the royal law. 861 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,240 So I follow the royal law where you're not even allowed to tell 862 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:48,160 a lie. And the commoners, the subjects 863 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,880 of King Charles, they're under common law in the Commonwealth. 864 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,440 So it's not common law, it's God's law I follow. 865 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,560 God, yeah, The royal law, that's what I follow. 866 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:00,960 Absolutely. Yeah. 867 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,760 OK. And so I mean, I mean, could, 868 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,360 could argue that you know, is, is your, is it natural law or is 869 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,560 is it natural law or well, you what? 870 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,400 Sandy, what You tell me, what does natural law mean? 871 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,000 You tell me, what does that mean? 872 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,080 Well, it's the law. Law of nature of God's creation 873 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,400 can I what? Section. 874 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,960 What section can I go and quote to keep the council off my back 875 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,640 when they want to bulldoze my farm? 876 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,480 Can I, can you give me a section? 877 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,360 Can you give me a, do you know what I mean? 878 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,440 Do you see my point? That's why I don't. 879 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,920 I don't know what natural law means, but I know what I know 880 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,520 what the Bible is. I know that's God's word. 881 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,720 I know that's his instruction of how mankind should live their 882 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,120 life and how they should be on this earth. 883 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,240 So I go there and quote that because I can. 884 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,120 Natural law to me. I don't know what that means. 885 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,480 OK, and and. Natural law. 886 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,480 If you get 10 people in a room, natural law might mean 10 887 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,240 different things to those 10 different people. 888 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:02,480 But the Bible means the same thing to the the Bible is an 889 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,360 infallible truth. Right. 890 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,240 This is, I mean, I, I find this fascinating because all your 891 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,160 critics come from and that there have been, I mean, you did a, a, 892 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,400 an interview with lovely Rachel the other day. 893 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,560 And I've seen the, the barrage of, you know, from, from people 894 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,440 like, I don't know, people that have said this is, you know, 895 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,320 that, that, you know, you're things like the, the people act 896 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,400 governs the right to vote and all this kind of thing. 897 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,920 So how would you stand up to people that are doing the whole 898 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,200 natural law or common law? Because you've got different 899 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,640 factions, you've got the straw, the freeman on the land. 900 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,280 That's common law, isn't it? And that always fails, I 901 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,080 believe. So I can't. 902 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,360 Speak to what others are doing. I can only speak to what I've 903 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,200 done. So what I've done is built a 904 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,480 farm. I've wrote a letter to the head 905 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,680 of Mendit District Council, told him beforehand that I was going 906 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,920 to do so. They sent the police an 907 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,440 enforcement round for a few years. 908 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,680 We've had a chat. They sent a planning law expert 909 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,960 to have a meeting with me. We had a chat. 910 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,000 They went away and I'm still building my farm. 911 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,000 So these people, these people talking about other thing I 912 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,040 mean, and I can evidence it. My whole website is evidence 913 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,760 based. So I've looked at your. 914 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,600 Website it is, it is amazing. And I think what we've got to 915 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:26,440 really drill it down to is is you that you you're saying you 916 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,200 have a choice. You can either be in that system 917 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,680 or you can be in in this system. And this system you're free. 918 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,520 In this system you're not free. Yeah, yeah. 919 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,720 But one thing. I've never said I've never said 920 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,040 it's. It's easy, no? 921 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,080 I've. Never said it's easy, but it can 922 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,400 be done. Now I would say that because 923 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,200 look, when I brought these discussions to Mendit District 924 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,080 Council, I'm not sure they've ever had any one of the people 925 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,880 come forward before and make the arguments that I've made. 926 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,560 I don't know for sure, but from their reaction, I think they, I 927 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,560 don't think that they've had these discussions before and 928 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,080 this argument put to them, but they did go away. 929 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,680 So yeah, I mean, I would say like the proofs in the pudding, 930 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,360 I would say I had to keep myself out of prison because it was in 931 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,280 AI had 9 enforcement officers, 9 planning enforcement notices 932 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,880 against me and each one's an indictable offence. 933 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,160 So that means each one, if they beat you on one or two, that 934 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,320 means I've still got 6-7 or eight still to go and each one 935 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,240 can send you to prison. So it's a very serious situation 936 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:32,400 that I was in, but I managed to navigate my way through it using 937 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,480 the Bible and using the some of the things that I talk about on 938 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,440 my website. And so, yeah, I, I don't like, I 939 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,840 say, it's not my system. It's the system that King 940 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,000 Charles advocates. And it's a system that the 941 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,640 legislation the UK Acts of Parliament point to and they 942 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,320 defer to. So it's the system that 943 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,600 society's itself is built upon. So what are you saying that? 944 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,080 Sorry, I missed that Prince. Prince Charles? 945 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,160 You advocate his system or you don't? 946 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,240 No, sorry, I said King. Charles advocates that the 947 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:07,080 Bible's the infallible truth. He. 948 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,960 He has a. Wears a crown of office, the 949 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,440 Saint Edward's crown, that's reflects the jurisdiction of 950 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,080 God. And so I I just aligned myself 951 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,640 with the highest position at law that I could be in, that being 952 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,400 one of God's people under the doctrines of the Bible. 953 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,600 So the. Let's just go through at the 954 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,000 coronation, he went, is it St Edmund or Saint Saint Edward's 955 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,720 Crown? It's the Saint Edward. 956 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,280 'S crown, yeah, yeah. What? 957 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,520 What? Why does he don't? 958 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,160 Because he that's the conduit to God. 959 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,280 Is it? It's the. 960 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:40,360 It's called the. Crown. 961 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,440 It's known as the Crown of God. Yeah, right. 962 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,360 So the the other. Crown is the Imperial crown and 963 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,560 Imperial. Imperial means Roman. 964 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,400 Yeah, and. That's the. 965 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,960 That's the crown of state. So is that? 966 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,040 So that your People's Choice, it's your theme of whose God or 967 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,240 the Roman statutory level. Yeah, that's why. 968 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,080 All these main states of office swear oaths. 969 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,080 Oaths are to a deity, to something higher than mankind, 970 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,760 Yeah. So all of these. 971 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,400 Main states of office swear oaths, and the oaths again point 972 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,360 to something higher than mankind, right? 973 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,480 Well, it's. I mean, it, it, it's a, an 974 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,040 absolute, you know, this is, this is really getting to the 975 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,920 nitty gritty of it. Because what I love about you is 976 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,600 that you, you, you actually, you're not listening to, to all 977 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,120 the other noise. You're just doing your thing and 978 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,680 it's working. And yeah, I couldn't listen to. 979 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,480 The other noise, Sandy, because no one else is going to help me 980 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,360 if I go to prison. I could only rely on. 981 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,600 That's what I mean when I say that's why it's so important to 982 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,240 me. Evidence is is key. 983 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,600 If you don't have evidence, you don't have an argument. 984 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,480 So for me, I had to. I was like, I was like 985 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,320 blindfolded in the dark and I was feeling around like, what on 986 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,360 earth is this system of law and governance? 987 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,320 So when I find the hard bit of evidence I had, I hung on to it 988 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,680 and I was able to. What do you make of the, the 989 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,920 whole birth certificate thing? You know, when you're born? 990 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,280 Because that again, is, is, is a bit free man on the land, isn't 991 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,120 it? The the whole, the whole your 992 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,880 birth certificate makes you, you know, a legal fiction sort of 993 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:18,880 thing. Do you believe? 994 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,320 Do you Do you go along with that? 995 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,040 The birth certificate, well, the birth certificate for a start, 996 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,720 is not called a birth certificate. 997 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,200 It's called a certified copy of an entry. 998 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,680 So that's what the document itself says. 999 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,600 And on the bottom of that document it says warning not to 1000 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,400 be used as evidence of identity. That's true it. 1001 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,040 Says that on your birth certificate, doesn't it? 1002 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,560 Yeah, so. So that name on that certificate 1003 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,280 is evidence of a of a what's known as a legal name. 1004 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,600 But that legal name is clearly not your identity. 1005 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,000 It's not your name because it says on the bottom not don't use 1006 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,280 it as your identity. And a name is a, a key 1007 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,600 identifier. So it, it evidences, yeah, a 1008 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,400 legal construct, a legal, it's evidence of a title that allows 1009 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,320 you to do business in the United Kingdom. 1010 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,200 Because we're to be in, like Jesus said, you're to be in the 1011 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,520 world, but not of the world, right. 1012 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,760 So as one of the people we still have to interact with the world, 1013 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,240 with the secular you, you know, you still have, you know, 1014 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,840 there's a bank account. You, you need a, a bank account 1015 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,080 in today's society. So to get a bank account, you'll 1016 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,200 need a birth certificate. And that's all that is. 1017 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:38,640 It's a, it's a tool to enable God's people to use a bank 1018 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,040 account. But the bank account is not my 1019 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,040 bank account. And, and the name on the birth 1020 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,920 certificate is not my, not my name. 1021 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,800 It says so on their own document, so to a degree. 1022 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,000 You have to play that in order to to to actually function. 1023 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,960 You have to use that system a little bit. 1024 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,040 Yeah, to be in the world. But not of it, as Jesus said. 1025 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,640 Yeah. And Mary and Joseph. 1026 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,720 Mary and Joseph took Jesus to be taxed. 1027 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,560 It says in the Bible to be taxed. 1028 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,320 And if you look at the Strong's Concordance of the word taxed, 1029 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,320 it's registered. So even Jesus was registered. 1030 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,760 He was wasn't. He because they went they went 1031 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,680 miles to to do it, didn't they? Yes, so there you go. 1032 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,400 That's Roman. That's. 1033 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,880 Roman law, yeah, that's. Exactly. 1034 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,600 Imperial crane. Roman crane. 1035 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,000 Yeah, the humans were. At it then 2000 years over 2000 1036 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,840 years ago and they haven't stopped. 1037 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:32,200 No, very true. Yeah, yeah. 1038 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:38,240 You know, if, for instance, you you opt out of statutory law, 1039 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,640 you know, could it could it be that if everyone did this, would 1040 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,960 it result in chaos? I mean, you do envision A moral 1041 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,640 and orderly society operating under God's law, because this is 1042 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,320 all very individualistic. So if everyone did this 1043 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,520 individually, would, you know, would it operate under God's law 1044 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,560 without any kind of centralised government? 1045 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,480 How would this work in your, in your imagined wonderful utopia 1046 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,760 of everyone following this? How would it be? 1047 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,240 What would it look like? Yeah. 1048 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,880 It's not my imagined utopia, it's what God commands. 1049 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,040 Sorry, yes. So. 1050 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,120 It's not individualistic because I'm just following Christ and 1051 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,640 the word of God. Yeah. 1052 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,200 So we're. Called to be members of the body 1053 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,760 of Christ, not members of the body of Parliament. 1054 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,520 Yeah. So I'm a. 1055 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,920 Member of the body of Christ. So if you leave the, the world, 1056 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,840 the secular world, which we've already said is immoral, lacks 1057 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,920 ethics and is godless, I'll take the other one, thanks. 1058 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,120 I'll take the godly one with Christ as at the helm rather 1059 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,760 than Keir Starmer. I, I think I know where my where 1060 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,720 my moralities like lay, if you know what I mean. 1061 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,520 So, yeah. And, and it's not follow, the 1062 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,040 only one you've got to follow is Christ. 1063 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,280 So it's not an individualistic thing. 1064 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,080 It's already been done for us just and, and it's called the 1065 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,840 royal law. So you can abide by the common 1066 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,760 law with the commoners where you can lie, cheat, and all of that 1067 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,560 involved in secular life, which is immoral and lacking in 1068 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,480 ethics. Or you can walk back to your 1069 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,040 father under the moral, under the royal law. 1070 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,000 And obviously there you're not allowed to tell lies, cheat or 1071 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,280 steal. And but the yoke is lighter, as 1072 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,720 Jesus said. Yeah. 1073 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,600 Do you know there's so much about this that that absolutely 1074 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:32,040 I understand and I I realise and I mean, do you think it is down 1075 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,240 to. I mean, certainly looking at 1076 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:39,120 some of the critics that that have gone against you this only 1077 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,960 this morning. I just found this whole sort of 1078 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:45,240 thing and I thought is it because I people don't like you 1079 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,920 talking about God and Jesus do they is it is that do you think 1080 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,480 it's it's their innate kind of we're not having this. 1081 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,960 This is yeah, I it. May may be Sandy, that may be 1082 00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,040 something in that. And there's also that tall poppy 1083 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,920 syndrome thing, isn't it? I, I don't know. 1084 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,200 I've only come on the Internet in the last two years because I 1085 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,600 could see where think that things were getting extremely 1086 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,200 serious. Now I consider myself free of 1087 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,840 the state. So I'm sat in my little farm in 1088 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,160 Somerset looking at the news and looking at everything that's 1089 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,920 going on, thinking, well, I've got some of these answers that 1090 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,960 some of these citizens might need to hear. 1091 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,480 So I thought I'll I'll stick my head above the parapet, I'll 1092 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,720 shout. I'll shout as loud as I can for 1093 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,280 as long as I can. And that's why I'm, that's why 1094 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,520 I'm on the Internet now. And I'm quite happy to go back 1095 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,960 to my farm in Somerset and, and, and, but I don't believe I'm 1096 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,320 cool to do that. I believe now is the time. 1097 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,840 I believe now is the time for people to stand up. 1098 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,920 And yeah, it takes a certain character to be able to do that. 1099 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,000 And I'm not really worried about the common. 1100 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,360 I'm not really worried about commentators who have not, have 1101 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,840 got no skin in the game. I risk my freedom. 1102 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,720 And a lot of these common, a lot of these commentators are 1103 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,520 anonymous. Well, I'm not anonymous and I've 1104 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,560 risked everything. Yeah. 1105 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,160 Yeah, No, I, I, I totally get where you're coming from. 1106 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,960 And I respect your, your conviction and, and, and your 1107 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,680 faith and everything. I absolutely 100% respect that. 1108 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,280 And I think it, it's difficult when you've got, you have got a 1109 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,720 lot of people saying a lot of conflicting things. 1110 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,920 And I've seen people, you know, as I said, going in, going into 1111 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,360 their jurisdiction into, into the secular courts and losing. 1112 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,400 And you won't even step into that. 1113 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,840 You you're just kind of saying, right, I'm, I'm doing this. 1114 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,320 I'm doing the other thing. Yeah. 1115 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,600 A lot of strength and courage to do that. 1116 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:36,960 Yeah. Well, I I thought. 1117 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,320 I was going to have to go to court. 1118 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,600 I thought that was part of the process where you may have to go 1119 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,560 before a secular judge that judges for God and you get 1120 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,160 judged in this realm by a, by an earthly judge. 1121 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,040 But as it's turned out, because I mean, I've, I've come to 1122 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:55,120 understand this system extremely well to A to a very good degree, 1123 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,160 where I whereby I like a second evidence everything I talk 1124 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,400 about. So they don't even want me in 1125 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,720 their courts anymore. That's how that's the situation 1126 00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,360 I'm at now. I'm not saying I'm, I don't 1127 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,440 know. I may at some point I may have 1128 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,080 to go to court. I don't know, but it doesn't 1129 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,800 concern me. I'm not worried about it because 1130 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,840 I understand how the how the law works. 1131 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,040 And if one of those judges are sat under an emblem that says 1132 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,320 God am my right. And I know that that judge in 1133 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,240 front of me as there's a, there's a maximum of law that 1134 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,080 says it's punishment enough for a judge to know that he's judged 1135 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,120 by God, then I know his soul's on the line when he's talking to 1136 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,400 one of gods. Is he is he really going to harm 1137 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,000 one of gods? I think it's Matthew 18-6 that 1138 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,600 says, don't you offend one of my little ones or be or be better 1139 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:43,880 for you. If you had a millstone around 1140 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,520 your neck and you're at the bottom of the sea now, a judge, 1141 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,960 a judge understands the system extremely well and he will 1142 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,160 understand that quote very well. So why on earth, if I was a 1143 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,600 judge, I would not want one of the people who understood how 1144 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,320 the system works to this degree in front of me, risking my soul 1145 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,560 for the for the next part of our journey. 1146 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,480 This earthly realm means this is irrelevant. 1147 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,120 It's what we do here that reflects as we go on. 1148 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,640 In my opinion anyway. No, no, no. 1149 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,000 I. I, I kind of get that 1150 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,200 completely. You know, it's, it's, this is a, 1151 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,520 this has been a fantastic conversation. 1152 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,440 I mean, we've what, because we're, we're drawing to an hour 1153 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,200 and we, we can just go over a little bit. 1154 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:31,240 But what if you've got anything now that you want to say to the 1155 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,640 UK column audience here? What would it be your final sort 1156 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,800 of message really that that you'd like to talk about? 1157 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,080 Thank you, Sandy. Yeah, firstly, I'd like to thank 1158 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,720 you for inviting me on and, and pressing and and pressing the 1159 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,560 questions as you have done and as you should do because people 1160 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,400 you, you should never take anyone's word for anything. 1161 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,120 You should go and research it yourself. 1162 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,920 And, and if people want do want to look further. 1163 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,400 I've put a lot of this together in one place at my website, 1164 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,920 which. But So what I would say is what 1165 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,360 I talk about this legal system, the system is not commonly 1166 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,200 understood, Sandy. It's frighteningly it's, it's 1167 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,840 frightens me how how little the citizenry understand about how 1168 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,440 they are governed. And So what I would say is, 1169 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,960 look, we're we're entering into very serious times, digital ID 1170 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,360 when you know full well I've seen your work, I know what you 1171 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,600 talk about, it's serious. We know what the farmers are 1172 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,240 going through. We know what the government are 1173 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,760 trying to do to the farmers and the food supply it we're in 1174 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,400 serious, serious times. That's why I've come out of the 1175 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,600 out of the woodwork and started explaining this stuff. 1176 01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,160 It's not something I'm terribly comfortable with. 1177 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:48,400 I'm quite a private guy. But I feel these times it 1178 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,160 requires people to stand up and and be counted. 1179 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,120 And well, if I if what I talk about, and if my example can 1180 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:59,480 help a few a few citizens become people once more, than that'll 1181 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,400 do me. That's fantastic. 1182 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,960 So where can we find you and how do you know how do obviously 1183 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,800 you've got visit capillarywave.com, isn't it? 1184 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,360 That's right, that's my. Website Sandy I'm on YouTube. 1185 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,680 Clive Edwards walk in the talk. If you search Clive Edwards on 1186 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,680 on YouTube, you'll see a picture similar to this sat in my studio 1187 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,400 which AKA campervan. So yeah, you'll find me on 1188 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,880 YouTube and I'm not too hard to find. 1189 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:26,840 No, I think. That's brilliant. 1190 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,640 And what I love about you, Clive, is that you're actually 1191 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,040 very humble. You, you know, it's, it's all 1192 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,600 about, you know, you you're doing God's work. 1193 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,200 You're not doing, you know, it's not about you. 1194 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,920 It's about something higher. And so, yeah, it's very kind of 1195 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,880 you to say. So, Sandy, Yeah. 1196 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,760 It's not about me. Christ has done all the hard 1197 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,600 work. He's done it. 1198 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,440 He's done the hard work. All you have to do is follow 1199 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:49,680 him. Don't follow me. 1200 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,520 I'm infallible. He wasn't. 1201 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,320 He wasn't. Brilliant. 1202 01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,360 Well, listen, I, I just want to say thank you. 1203 01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,360 I don't know whether there's anything else that, that you 1204 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,560 want to, to throw in. I think you've explained it 1205 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,920 brilliantly, but if there is something, say so now because 1206 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,680 we've still got a couple of minutes if you want to. 1207 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,040 No, I think. I think, I think we've covered 1208 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,320 it pretty well, Sandy. Yeah. 1209 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,160 I mean, I'm always happy to come back to Part 2 another time. 1210 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,480 If your audience so desires I'd be, I'd be more than happy to do 1211 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:18,720 so. Lovely. 1212 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:19,280 Well. Bless you. 1213 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,640 Thanks so much, Clive. It's been absolutely fascinating 1214 01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,040 speaking. I could talk to you for hours, 1215 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:25,480 actually. Well, we can. 1216 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,240 Off off camera if you like and it's. 1217 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,440 Yeah, and I'm still working my way through your website because 1218 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,320 there's a massive amount on that website to go through. 1219 01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,920 And I would advise our viewers to go go to capillarywave.com, 1220 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,400 look at it and make your own minds up. 1221 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,160 And yeah, it certainly resonates with me. 1222 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,160 It may not with sons, we're all different, but yeah. 1223 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,240 Thank you so much. It's been an absolute pleasure. 1224 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,640 Thank you. Sandy, likewise, I've thoroughly 1225 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:54,520 enjoyed it. Thank you.