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Good afternoon. 
It's Wednesday the 24th of 

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September, just after 1:00. 
Welcome to UK column News. 

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I'm your host Mike Robinson, 
joining me live by Livelink. 

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Today we have the UK columns, 
Charles Mallett and journalist 

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and peace campaigner Vanessa 
Bailey. 

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Welcome to the program, both 
Now, later in the program, 

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Vanessa's going to have the 
latest from Lebanon. 

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I'm going to covering the 
recognition of Palestine by the 

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United Kingdom and others. 
And Charles is going to be 

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reporting on connections between
the migrant issue in the UK and 

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digital ID. 
But we're sadly going to have to

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begin with the United Nations 
General Assembly, because 

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yesterday Donald Trump spoke at 
the UNGA. 

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It was mostly pretty obscene, 
actually. 

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He began by blowing his own 
trumpet, if you know what I 

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mean. 
And he was basically telling us 

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all what a wonderful person he 
is. 

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He stopped 7 wars, you know, and
personally he stopped them. 

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He deserves a Nobel Peace Prize,
but that's not why he's doing 

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it. 
He's doing it. 

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He's stopping all the wars to 
save lives, except in Gaza, of 

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course. 
He's heavily, he heavily 

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criticized the United Nations. 
And we can discuss this later, 

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but perhaps with some 
justification. 

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But he didn't mention systematic
breaches of international law by

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the US, the UK, the EU and 
Israel over the years. 

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He was, however, very upset that
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him $500 million to rebuild the 
UN building a number of years 

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ago. 
That was very upsetting to him. 

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He would have provided marble 
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Instead, they spent billions and
only got Toronto. 

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So there you go. 
The speech lasted 57 minutes. 

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It could have been delivered in 
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because he was constantly 
repeating himself and migration 

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in net zero policy was the crux 
of it. 

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Now in in fairness to him, he 
did make a couple of valid 

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points. 
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Charles will be covering in a 
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money as far as I was concerned 
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But there was also this on on 
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EU, which I think is is going to
be an interesting, it's an 

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interesting comment that he 
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Let's have a listen to this. 
This war would never have 

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started if I were president. 
This was a war that should have 

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never happened. 
It shows you what leadership is,

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what bad leadership can do to a 
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Look what happened to the United
States and look where we are 

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right now in just a short period
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The only question now is how 
many more lives will be 

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needlessly lost on both sides. 
China and India are the primary 

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funders of the ongoing war by 
continuing to purchase Russian 

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oil. 
But inexcusably, even NATO 

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countries have not cut off much 
Russian energy and Russian 

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energy products, which, as you 
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weeks ago and I wasn't happy. 
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They're funding the war against 
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Who the hell ever heard of that 
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In the event that Russia is not 
ready to make a deal to end the 

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war, then the United States is 
fully prepared to impose a very 

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strong round of powerful 
tariffs, which would stop the 

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bloodshed, I believe, very 
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But for those tariffs to be 
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of you are gathered here right 
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adopting the exact same 
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I mean, you're much closer to 
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We have an ocean in between. 
You're right there. 

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And Europe has to step it up. 
They can't be doing what they're

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doing. 
They're buying oil and gas from 

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Russia while they're fighting 
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It's embarrassing to them. 
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them when I found out about it, 
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But they have to immediately 
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Russia, otherwise we're all 
wasting a lot of time. 

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So Vanessa, maybe I could get a 
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What? 
What did you what did you think 

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of that particular comment from 
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I can't, I mean, I don't know, 
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I, you were better than me and 
the fact that you sat through 

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the entire speech, but I mean, 
he's, he's just borderline 

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insane. 
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I really, I honestly don't know 
what to say other than life has 

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just become a theatre of the 
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concerned. 
Is that would you, would you 

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agree with that, Charles? 
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Vanessa, and good afternoon all 
to a point. 

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Although what I would say, and 
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him on the back, but it is to 
acknowledge that he is an 

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absolute master at scoring 
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there to be taken. 
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he demonstrates. 
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took his time to do it. 
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congratulating himself for stuff
that he probably hasn't achieved

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and won't achieve, but never let
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story. 
So I I think insofar as he fires

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the popular imagination, this in
in some ways is a masterstroke 

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because he has so many of these 
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be pulled out and shoved around 
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social media and all the rest of
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Yeah, well, absolutely. 
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He was talking about energy and 
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He was and and in a way, this 
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bashing Keir Starmer over the 
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So not the state visit, but when
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he had a very awkward press 
conference with Keir Starmer up 

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in Scotland, in fact, on one of 
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And one of the things that he 
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And again, going back to your 
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disagree with this sort of 
thing, he puts out just enough 

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truth to engage a certain 
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but also to set absolutely an 
equal and opposite force against

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him. 
But we'll just listen to what he

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had to say specifically on the 
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We're getting rid of the falsely
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They're a joke. 
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They're too expensive. 
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fire up the plants that you need
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The wind doesn't blow. 
Those big windmills are so 

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pathetic and so bad, so 
expensive to operate, and they 

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have to be rebuilt all the time 
and they start to rust and rot. 

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Most expensive energy ever 
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And it's actually energy. 
You're supposed to make money 

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with energy, not lose money. 
You lose money. 

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The governments have to 
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You can't put them out without 
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them are built in China. 
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credit. 
They build them, but they very 

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few wind farms. 
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them and they send them all over
the world, but they barely use 

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them? 
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Coal, they use gas, they use 
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like wind. 
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selling the windmills. 
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long way to go, with many 
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destruction because of the green
energy agenda, and I give. 

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So again, what he said can 
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basis in fact. 
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Donald Trump saying it. 
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alarmism lobby is well set 
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other ideological reasons, this 
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play into the renewable scam as 
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So one has to be very careful 
when considering any information

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that's put out by Donald Trump 
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such a divisive figure. 
And with that in mind, we'll 

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just go now to what he said 
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the scientific basis for the 
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net zero in the first place, IE 
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And I hope the Prime Minister is
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him three days in a row, that's 
all he heard. 

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North Sea oil. 
North Sea. 

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Because I want to see them do 
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I want to stop seeing them 
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and English countryside with 
windmills and massive solar 

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panels that go 7 miles by 7 
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But we're not letting this 
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In 1982, the executive director 
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Environmental Program predicted 
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change would cause a global 
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He said that it will be 
irreversible, as any nuclear 

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Holocaust would be. 
This is what they said at the 

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United Nations. 
What happened? 

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Here we are. 
Another UN official stated in 

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1989 that within a decade, 
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off the map by global warming. 
Not happening. 

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You know, it used to be global 
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If you look back years ago in 
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said global cooling will kill 
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We have to do something. 
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will kill the world. 
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cooler. 
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climate change because that way 
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because if it goes higher or 
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happens. 
This climate change, it's the 

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greatest con job ever 
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opinion. 
Climate change, no matter what 

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happens, you're involved in 
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Now whether those are his actual
thoughts or not is beside the 

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point, but they do do exactly 
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which is to polarize and give 
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articulates. 
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helplessness because of this 
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Either because you believe that 
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whatever it's supposed to be 
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complete nonsense and you're 
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go into destroying the landscape
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protecting it. 
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consider an announcement, for 
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just gone out about the water 
consumption and we see, you 

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know, a way to apparently reduce
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possibility that one might take 
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mosquitoes and how colonial 
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2018 to look at their policy on 
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indeed a specific bit about the 
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presents a hazard. 
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bio security, it's very easy to 
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into something that creates much
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And just to draw this out and 
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you that the Planning and 
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going through Parliament at 
contains absolutely no provision

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whatsoever for the harvesting of
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development of housing, either 
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Which means that there will be a
constant push to surrender water

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for AI and data centres, but 
never ever to take control of it

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yourself. 
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much for that. 
Now, Vanessa, Trump obviously 

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was grabbing the headlines 
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wasn't the only thing that was 
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And for the last couple of days,
Gilani, in fact, was making an 

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appearance. 
So what happened there? 

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Yes, well, apparently the first 
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UNGA in New York for almost 6 
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The fact that he's an unelected 
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and Al Qaeda had a bounty of 10 
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according to the establishment 
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responsible for the twin towers.
So quite extraordinary that he's

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seen arriving and receiving red 
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back in Syria, the massacres 
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The following video is of the 
current wildfires that have been

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raging for the last three days 
across Wadi Nasara, which is 

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basically translated as the 
Valley of the Christians, which 

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is an area to the South of Homs.
Beautiful area where historic 

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churches and and cultural 
edifices and and infrastructure 

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are now in danger of being 
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And of course, what we're 
hearing are reports from inside 

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Syria that HDS themselves 
started the fires by dropping 

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the thermal incendiary bombs by 
drones, just as they've done 

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previously in Latakia, according
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coast, of course, majority 
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And here we have some pretty 
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arriving at the UNGA, the bustle
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looking extremely tack fairy 
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And he arrives with full pomp 
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While he enters the UNGA. 
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tasks that Jolani was given once
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the entire Zionist bloc. 
A special event which I haven't 

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had the stomach to watch yet but
I will do was for the Middle 

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East Institute to host Jolani 
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Lister. 
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Charles Lister, a member of the 
Mei who invented the 70,000 

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moderate rebels. 
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picked up at the time by David 
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the terrorist groups in Syria to
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government. 
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very friendly chat with ex CIA 
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hails the former al Qaeda leader
for clear vision in Syria. 

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I'm not quite sure how these 
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when an ongoing massacre of the 
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north to South under Jolani's 
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But let's have a reminder also 
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the downfall of Syria. 
Seymour Hersh Petraeus 

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established a rat line between 
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to the Nusra Front, which of 
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The the group that was founded 
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Asad al Shabani, who's the 
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UNGA and other extremist groups 
seeking to topple the government

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of former Syrian President 
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They mentioned Timber Sycamore, 
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over 1 billion per year to given
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but ended up in the hands of 
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Maison, Petraeus continued to 
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including ISIS, after he was 
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2012 after a sex scandal. 
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introduction to Jolani, which is
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morning, Mike, about the fact 
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Ambassador Robert Ford, who was 
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creation of the death squads, 
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who was kind of squealing in 
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over the last few years, both in
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2025. 
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literally introducing him. 
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rumours are that it was Petraeus
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radicalization and and the 
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he was in prison in Iraq. 
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from Petraeus here. 
Because the fact is that we were

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on different sides when I was 
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You were, of course detained by 
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And here you are now as the 
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I'm not going to show anything 
of what Joelani actually says 

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because it's total MI 6 Tony 
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I mean, he says nothing 
different to the script that 

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he's been given since December 
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But in case people are worried 
here, Petraeus asks Joelani 

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about his own personal mental 
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So this next one is about you 
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How are you holding up under all
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Are you getting time to do some 
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Are you getting enough sleep at 
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I've been there and it is so 
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And you're many fans and I am 
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We do have worries. 
I mean, this is just grotesque. 

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This man has was responsible for
mass beheadings, executions, 

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terrorist attacks in Iraq even 
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And now he's responsible for the
mass ethnic cleansing of 

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minorities in Syria that are not
meant, that are barely mentioned

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in the entire interview. 
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would love people's comments, 
but I just find this absolutely 

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abhorrent that he's being fated 
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allegedly he's in among friends 
and allies. 

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Well, what does that tell you 
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regimes that have supported the 
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destruction of the people of 
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Charles, let's ask for your 
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I think that engagement between 
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one of the most extraordinary 
things that I've seen in recent 

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times, and it should cause 
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be on either side to call into 
question absolutely everything 

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they thought they believed or 
stood for it. 

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It makes a total mockery of 
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supposedly done in his career or
what he should have done it for.

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And exactly the same should be 
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I mean, it dispels any sense of 
doubt that this entire narrative

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and situation is driven by 
forces out of sight that we are.

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Apparently never told about 
Absolutely extraordinary. 

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The only thing I would add on UK
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good interview on the website 
with Michael Yon. 

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Ben Rubin interviewing Michael 
Yon, it's called Who Runs the 

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Jungle and Yon gives a very 
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bumping into Petraeus who he 
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So please go and listen to that 
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Thank you, Charles. 
OK, let's move on. 

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Another reminder that tickets 
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Now Jerem is still in China. 

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So tonight we're rerunning the 
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Andrew Wakefield. 
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tomorrow, well, I'm going to be 
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Very briefly, Just tell us a 
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Well, I think it's just a very 
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Mike, about the way that the 
sectarian divisions are going to

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be weaponized against Western 
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particularly of West Asia or as 
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Yes, thank you for that. 
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So join us for that. 

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I just want to remind everybody 
of the interview that went out 

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yesterday at 1:00 PM with Andrea
Clarich. 

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Croatia on issues as such as 
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IDCDBC, censorship, attitudes to
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recreate tensions which led to 
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yesterday, we've had some really
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Please do join us for that or 
get on the website and watch 

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that. 
And Charles, then the Food and 

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Health Festival. 
Yes, this is being run in 

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Edinburgh by Common Knowledge 
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of September. 
I will be there speaking, Diane 

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will also be there, and it will 
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considering all factors 
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food and health. 
And Charles, just remind us of 

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the 1000 Words podcast just 
before we show the little 

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trailer trailer. 
The yeah, Thousand Word Podcast 

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is something that's coming to UK
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We're absolutely delighted that 
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It involves Jake Fern, the 
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And it just gives a fascinating 
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different interview technique 
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And it's it's a really, really 
interesting way of engaging with

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the with the subject and indeed 
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end. 1000 Words is coming to UK 
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Watch Katie Jo Murphy, Co 
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her portrait whilst deep diving 
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everything. 
First episode airs this weekend 

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on UK column. 
And Charles, correct me if I'm 

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wrong, that's 7:00 PM on Sunday.
Correct. 

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Absolutely it is. 
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Thank you. 
OK, let's come back to the UN 

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General Assembly and well, 
Yvette Cooper, our illustrious 

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new foreign Secretary, was 
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Let's have a listen to what she 
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I stand before you today, 
beneath the emblem of the United

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Nations, to confirm the historic
decision of the British 

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Government to recognise the 
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This step, alongside friends and
partners, reflects a long 

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standing truth that statehood is
the inalienable right of the 

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Palestinian people and the two 
states is the only path to 

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security and lasting peace for 
Israelis and Palestinians alike.

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But recognition must be a spur, 
not a substitute for urgent 

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action, A ceasefire now, the 
release of all hostages, the 

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restoration of aid and a lasting
framework for peace. 

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Recognition is about the future,
but it is rooted in our past. 75

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years ago, Britain was rightly 
proud to recognize the state of 

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Israel, but the promise of 
upholding Palestinian rights has

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gone unfulfilled. 
For decades, my country 

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supported A2 state solution, but
only recognized one state. 

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That changes now as we join more
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recognizing the State of 
Palestine and protecting the 

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pathway to peace. 
Now I'm sure we can talk about 

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this in extra and so on, but for
me that whole thing was complete

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nonsense. 
It changes nothing. 

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The Starmer regime has not made 
any statement or taken any 

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action to actually pressure 
Israel into stopping the 

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genocide. 
They haven't prevented a single 

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bullet from being shipped from 
to Israel from this country. 

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Now also on Monday Keir Starmer 
put out an ex post wishing the 

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Jewish people, the Jewish 
community a happy new year. 

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This was the the tweet that he 
pushed out and well this 

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resulted in over 4000 comments. 
Now let's just have a look at a 

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few of those. 
So to go gaslight someone else. 

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Hypocrite, He was told you don't
get to bless us for the new year

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after embracing the Palestinian 
Authority that pays the salaries

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of Jews murders and then he's 
more and more commentary on 

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this. 
You're quite literally the 

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second coming of Neville 
Chamberlain is in this new year.

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May the Lord strike you and 
you're disgusting, inept and 

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corrupt party and call the 
general strike down you and 

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you're disgusting inept party 
and corrupt party and call any 

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general election. 
Sorry. 

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The the strong language started 
coming out at that point. 

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The insults against the Islamic 
community started coming out the

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from the river to the sea, but 
this time with the Israeli flag 

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really sort of suggesting the 
Greater Israel project and more 

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unpleasantness in the form of 
artwork and so on appearing on 

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here. 
So this was pretty unpleasant. 

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So the question is what did the 
recognition of Palestine achieve

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in the meantime then Armed 
Forces Minister Alastair Cairns 

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has posted an opinion piece in 
the Daily Mail headlined British

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veterans fought to bring peace 
and security to Northern 

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Ireland. 
Now they deserve a fair deal. 

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Now this is about the return of 
the investigations into British 

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military activity, British Army 
activity in Northern Ireland 

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during the so-called Troubles. 
This entire process, of course, 

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this investigation, the 
historical investigation is a 

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travesty because people on the 
Republican side were released 

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from prison under the so-called 
Good Friday Agreement with 

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letters of amnesty from Tony 
Blair. 

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While people serving in the 
British Army were have had to 

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endure decades of inquiry, 
criminal investigation and so 

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on. 
Now he currents attempts to wrap

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this all up in words of 
reassurance for anyone that on 

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the receiving end of it, but the
question then is what has been 

456
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,080
the response to this in the 
comments? 

457
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,240
So this is typical of it. 
The courts wouldn't allow an 

458
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,360
asylum seeker to be deported to 
Kenya, but it's OK for soldiers 

459
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,000
because of course part of this 
is them having to go back to 

460
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,800
Belfast for hearings. 2 tier 
care don't care about our 

461
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,480
heroes. 
He's a terrorist lover and so 

462
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,400
on. 
So more of the same. 

463
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,960
In other words, two tier care 
supporting terrorists and 

464
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,080
etcetera. 
This is all both of these 

465
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,600
situations in my opinion, and 
Vanessa might critique what I'm 

466
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,120
saying here in a second, but 
this, in my opinion, is designed

467
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,920
to stir up these kinds of 
sentiments. 

468
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,320
Everyone is supposed to feel 
outrage at it because Starmer 

469
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,960
knows it. 
Aside from a few memes on X with

470
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,760
unpleasant words on them, none 
of the outrage is going to be 

471
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,840
directed at him personally or 
even at his government when it 

472
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,040
comes to the crunch. 
It's going to be directed at 

473
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,200
people perceived to be on the 
left because the left right 

474
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,040
split is something which is 
absolutely being amplified at 

475
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,280
the moment. 
Or else some people who have 

476
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,760
different coloured skin. 
But if we go back to his ex post

477
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,280
that we saw earlier and look at 
this this comment. 

478
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,280
Sorry. 
So the comments section isn't 

479
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,800
going as you hoped, said Arthur.
Well, in fact, I believe it is 

480
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,120
going exactly as he hoped. 
Because they say. 

481
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,480
I believe that this was a pretty
cynical attempt just to 'cause 

482
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,360
this kind of outrage. 
Now, two weeks ago, around 

483
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,960
1,000,000 people came out on 
Britain's streets, funded and 

484
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,320
promoted by largely the Zionist 
lobby. 

485
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,000
There was a counter 
demonstration, as Ben was 

486
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,080
pointing out, on a previous news
program which also seems to have

487
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,280
had Zionist interest behind it 
to a certain degree. 

488
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,280
It's is it a surprise then that 
the same interests would be 

489
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,200
supporting both sides of an 
engineered argument And, and the

490
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,680
question is, has this ever 
happened before now? 

491
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,480
This is an article on John 
Waters sub Stack headlined how 

492
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,320
British intelligence planned the
Irish troubles of 68 to 98 and 

493
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,520
used Provisional IRA fake 
patriots to achieve the 

494
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,200
ruination of Ireland. 
I think this is important 

495
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,440
because the ruination of England
is exactly where this country is

496
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,240
at at the moment. 
And I would just ask the 

497
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,720
question, what would happen if 
instead of coming out on the 

498
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,640
streets and waving some flags 
that the million people or so 

499
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,280
that were out a couple of weeks 
ago made a commitment instead to

500
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,640
stop paying tax? 
Would the regime take notice 

501
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,520
then? 
Vanessa, this is obviously this 

502
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,360
segment has been a bit of an 
opinion piece, but I'd just be 

503
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,200
interested in your thoughts on 
it. 

504
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Well, I mean, it's kind of 
interesting. 

505
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,360
I mean, Tom Barrack, who will 
get onto Trump's sort of envoy 

506
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,320
to the Middle East, describe the
whole operation of recognizing A

507
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,720
Palestinian state as useless. 
Those were his words and I was 

508
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:41,080
thinking it was to appease the 
anti genocide protesters and and

509
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,680
so on after they've been 
victimizing Palestine action and

510
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,440
and all day pensioners who are 
coming out to to protest in 

511
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,680
support of Palestine action, for
example. 

512
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,760
But now I'm actually wondering 
when you're showing those 

513
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,040
responses to Starmer, if it's 
not also giving oxygen to the 

514
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,680
Zionist victimhood, which is 
also something that they need to

515
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,680
be able to reinforce their 
'cause as they further expand 

516
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,800
their violence and their 
slaughter and their genocide, 

517
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,760
not only of Palestinians, but 
also Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis, 

518
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,360
Yemenis, etcetera. 
So I think there's two roles, as

519
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,960
you've rightly said. 
But I think on a local, national

520
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:27,120
level, yeah, it's all about 
stirring up hatred, sectarian 

521
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,680
hatred again. 
Charles, just before we come on 

522
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,280
to to your main segment here, 
have you got anything to add to 

523
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,480
that? 
Well, I would, I mean, I would 

524
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880
absolutely agree with with what 
Vanessa says. 

525
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,040
I think listening to Yvette 
Cooper, I mean, first of all, 

526
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,680
sounds like she had taken 
elocution lessons before 

527
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,200
delivering that speech and sort 
of searching for gravitas that 

528
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,360
she never quite found. 
But it's it's as though she's 

529
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,680
sort of saying that something 
was so clearly the case that the

530
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,720
unanswered question is, well, So
what? 

531
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,640
Why is it taken until now? 
Why, why now? 

532
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,520
And also like a curve which 
needs flattening, A pathway to 

533
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,600
peace remains incredibly sort of
ill defined that, you know, what

534
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,680
is the end state and indeed what
are the obstacles along the way 

535
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,680
and how much does it cost in 
human life and money to actually

536
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,440
tread that apparent pathway to 
peace? 

537
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,240
So it's just the latest 
confection in a in a sort of 

538
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,320
barrage of nonsense, I'd say. 
Well, we were just talking about

539
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,640
the million people on the 
streets, of course, migration 

540
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,200
being a key driver to encourage 
that activity. 

541
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,760
So what are your thoughts on on 
that issue at the moment? 

542
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,920
Well, I think specifically 
migration is only pushed out as 

543
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,480
a problem in order that a 
solution may be divined. 

544
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,480
And the the latest in the sort 
of summer narrative. 

545
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,280
The latest chapter concerns the 
migrant arrested in Epping and 

546
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,080
he has now just been convicted 
by Chelmsford Magistrates Court 

547
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,400
and this is put up by the BBC 
who say that Epping Hotel asylum

548
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,040
seeker jailed for sex assaults. 
Now the point of the BBC article

549
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,600
really is to continue to fan the
flames of division, helpless and

550
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,159
confusion and particularly they 
they go a bundle on confirming 

551
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,880
the worst fears of people who do
have concerns about this in that

552
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,040
it's the suggestion is that 
people who do come from other 

553
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,360
countries have different 
standards and that that is 

554
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,639
absolutely a well founded 
concern. 

555
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,199
As though because he's 
Ethiopian, he didn't have any 

556
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,000
understanding of how things work
here. 

557
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,440
In actual fact, of course, the 
age of consent in Ethiopia is 18

558
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,000
and he is reported as being a 
Christian. 

559
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,520
So further confusion here about,
you know, is this another sort 

560
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:46,440
of dig at Christianity or a lot 
of language used deliberately to

561
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,480
confuse and conflate As to the 
trial itself. 

562
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,080
And indeed the ruling handed 
down which has come from 

563
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,360
Chelmsford Magistrates Court, 
point to note first of all that 

564
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,680
these offences which are now 
shown on screen, attempted 

565
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,560
sexual assault on a child aged 
14 to incite or cause a child to

566
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,400
engage in sexual activity, 
sexual sexual assault on a 

567
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,720
female twice two different 
people and harassment without 

568
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,440
violence. 
Now they're all what's called 

569
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,520
either way, tribal either way, 
which means they could have gone

570
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:16,040
to Crown Court, but actually 
they were retained by the 

571
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Magistrates Court, which means 
there was a maximum of 12 month 

572
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,040
sentence. 
And a lot of people therefore 

573
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,400
have been provoked into outcry 
saying was not, you know, not 

574
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,520
nearly a strong enough sentence 
should have been much greater 

575
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,640
and all the rest of it. 
Now, I can understand exactly 

576
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,360
why those concerns would be 
there, but of course by limiting

577
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,560
it to the magistrate's court, 
meaning that the sentence was 

578
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,320
only going to be that. 
And what one has to look at 

579
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,760
really are the sentencing 
guidelines from the Sentencing 

580
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,920
Council and they're shown on 
screen now. 

581
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,800
And one has to determine the 
offence category, which of 

582
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,280
course is done by two different 
categories, looking at the harms

583
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,560
and the culpability. 
And it's almost as though this 

584
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,840
story has been cherry picked in 
order specifically to make it 

585
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,080
look like nothing has been done 
because the threshold in every 

586
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,680
single circumstance is not quite
met. 

587
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,440
Essex Police, of course, have 
reported on this as well, and 

588
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,360
they bring out the points that 
there's also a five year sexual 

589
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,640
harm prevention order being set 
against the man Hadosh Kabatou, 

590
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,760
and also that he'd be on the 
sexual offences register for 10 

591
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,160
years Now. 
The the point being missed here,

592
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:29,360
of course, is that because the 
UK, the Border Act 2007 has 

593
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,320
qualifying criteria for 
automatic deportation. 

594
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,040
The the length of the sentence 
and indeed any of the other 

595
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,200
things that Essex Police are 
mentioning are should be 

596
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,880
academic. 
And this is further reinforced 

597
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,880
by the announcement made by the 
government just last month 

598
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,240
concerning what they're calling 
immediate deportation. 

599
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,440
He is now to be regarded as a 
foreign criminal stipulated by 

600
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,800
the Border Act 2007, and indeed 
he has a sentence of at least 12

601
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,040
months. 
However, the Daily Mail 

602
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,120
reporting here, of course, that 
now there might be a 

603
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,000
counterclaim, effectively 
engaging the European Convention

604
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,080
on Human Rights in order that 
this is not going to lead to 

605
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,320
deportation. 
Again, something that seems to 

606
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,280
be deliberately put out in order
to inflamed tensions. 

607
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,840
And as a banner across the top 
of the Daily Mail piece, it's 

608
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,680
shown on screen now it says 
breaking news, foreign criminals

609
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,880
are being given 2000 lbs when 
they leave the United Kingdom. 

610
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,520
So there are just so many 
elements of this particular 

611
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:33,040
story to suggest that the 
problem is in effect 

612
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,680
insurmountable. 
And then we cast our mind back 

613
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,560
to Operation Restoring Justice, 
which was something put on by 

614
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,920
reform a short while ago in 
which they proposed to have a 

615
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,040
plan for mass deportations. 
And part of that was to get out 

616
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,320
of the European Convention on 
Human Rights and indeed to 

617
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,560
repeal the Human Rights Act in 
1988, which in effect would head

618
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,120
off exactly the situation that 
the male is forecasting. 

619
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,680
So they're attempting to look 
strong, attempting to make the 

620
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,040
case for there being a political
solution to this has become a 

621
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,440
key political background. 
But what's not to be forgotten 

622
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,320
is that this always leads to 
exactly the same place. 

623
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,880
And here we have Sarah Pochin, 
the Reform MP, talking about 

624
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,520
where that place is. 
About what Chris Philp is now 

625
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,760
saying the Shadow Home Secretary
on ID cards. 

626
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,000
What do you feel about ID cards,
digital ID cards? 

627
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,080
Is that something that Reform UK
would support? 

628
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Well, look, I personally don't 
have a problem with an ID card. 

629
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,440
You know, I, I don't see what 
the issue is. 

630
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,560
Most of our ID, most of our 
information now is is is on our 

631
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,560
smartphones anyway. 
Can. 

632
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,920
We cross the system though. 
Well, what's more, how, how much

633
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,600
more could we be at risk? 
As I say, all of our information

634
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,520
is out there in a cloud, in the 
ether, whatever you want to call

635
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,640
it. 
So I can't sit here and say that

636
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,360
that is absolutely reform 
policy. 

637
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,680
But what I can say is that of 
course, as a as one of the few 

638
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,480
MPs at a time where Danny 
Krueger has just joined the 

639
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,320
party and said that they're 
preparing for government and 

640
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,320
there isn't of course an 
enormous public swing towards 

641
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,840
reform. 
A political solution looks very 

642
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,400
likely to include a digital ID. 
And of course, I just remind you

643
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,120
finally about Brit Card, which 
is the solution proposed by the 

644
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,880
Labour Together think tank. 
And just to quote from that, 

645
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,280
this is exactly matching the 
problem. 

646
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,800
A million people live in the UK 
without permission to do so, 

647
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,840
undermining the sense of Fair 
play. 

648
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,280
And this is how Brit Card is, 
how mandatory universal national

649
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,320
identity credential can help 
Britain control illegal 

650
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,600
migration and secure its 
borders. 

651
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,880
Because of course we got the 
question of, well, what if 

652
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,320
Kibatu is deported back to 
Ethiopia? 

653
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,200
Well, lo and behold, we don't 
have an agreement with Ethiopia.

654
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,760
So there's another stumbling 
block. 

655
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,720
But of course, if we had a 
digital identity, then we'd know

656
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,720
whether or not he was trying to 
come back or whether he was 

657
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:57,000
still in the system. 
So what's being done about this?

658
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,960
Well, one thing just to point 
out is Big Brother's Big Brother

659
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:02,520
Watches campaign. 
Which they're entitling 

660
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,000
Checkpoint Britain and they've 
just conduct had a survey 

661
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,920
conducted by you Gov which was 
admittedly fairly small, only 

662
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,520
just over 2000 respondents, all 
online, but overwhelmingly 63% 

663
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,520
of people absolutely rejecting 
wholesale the idea of digital 

664
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,360
ID. 
And finally they point you to a 

665
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,240
petition they've started which 
has only attracted 100,000 

666
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,280
signatures so far. 
But there'll be a link in the 

667
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,080
show notes for you to take a 
look at that. 

668
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,800
Charles, thank you very much for
that. 

669
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,040
Vanessa, let's come back to you 
and back to the Middle East. 

670
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,760
Now you're obviously based in 
Lebanon, but what's how is the 

671
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,720
pressure building there? 
Because obviously Lebanon still 

672
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:45,920
has, you know, effectively Syria
to the north and Israel to the 

673
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,280
South. 
Yeah, to the east and the north 

674
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,560
for Syria, of course, and Israel
to the South. 

675
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,480
And Israel in reality has 
increased its number of 

676
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,040
occupation points in southern 
Lebanon to seven rather than 5 

677
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,200
previously. 
And it conducts daily, if not 

678
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,120
sort of morning, afternoon, 
evening attacks, either by drone

679
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,480
or by air strike on areas of 
southern Lebanon, but also the 

680
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,440
eastern and northeastern areas 
of Lebanon perceived by them to 

681
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,600
be Hezbollah strongholds. 
And on Sunday, I wanted to draw 

682
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,800
attention to this attack, which 
was a drone attack on civilians 

683
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,480
in Binchabel in the South. 
These are the children, Hadi and

684
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Celine Shirora, who were killed 
in the attack, including their 

685
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,280
father and their sister. 
And their mother and their other

686
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,680
sister are hospitalized in 
critical condition. 

687
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,120
And a bystander, Mohammad Moore,
was also killed in the strike. 

688
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,360
This is the mother, Armani Bazi,
here with the two children that 

689
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,480
were murdered by Israel on 
Sunday in the attack. 

690
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,280
And this is the mother at the 
funeral of the two children. 

691
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,320
She was brought actually in her 
hospital bed to bid farewell to 

692
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,800
to the children that were 
slaughtered by Israel 

693
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,720
indiscriminately. 
And this is happening on a daily

694
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:11,760
basis. 
But interestingly, there was an 

695
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,240
interview with Thomas Barack, 
who I've said is Trump's 

696
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,400
basically his main man in the 
Middle East trying to push 

697
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,400
through the normalization 
between Syria and Israel and in 

698
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:28,560
Lebanon to dismantle and destroy
the resistance against Israel. 

699
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,240
What was extraordinary for me 
about this interview, and that's

700
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:38,240
why I've included a number of 
clips, is that he was incredibly

701
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,400
frank and honest whether he felt
disarmed by the interviewer, who

702
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:47,160
I think was extremely good. 
But let's just hear what he how 

703
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,120
he first of all describes 
himself. 

704
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,160
And I'm, if you look at 
diplomacy and all of them are 

705
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,200
much better than me because I'm 
not really a diplomat, right? 

706
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,000
I'm like an event driven 
mercenary to get things done for

707
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,080
this president. 
Well, I couldn't really say it 

708
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,520
better myself. 
I mean, he's an economic hitman.

709
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,720
He has links to corruption in 
the first Trump administration, 

710
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,960
links to Epstein and and so on 
and so forth. 

711
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,600
So he's certainly not a 
trustworthy individual, but 

712
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,080
let's hear what he says about 
the end game in the region. 

713
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,640
Trump's end game in the region. 
Through what exactly is the 

714
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,400
Trump Doctrine in the Middle 
East? 

715
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,320
So President Trump brilliantly 
said, look, I'm not going to 

716
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,960
lose any more American lives. 
We've been there. 

717
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,880
I'm not going to take over any 
more countries and try and teach

718
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,240
them the colonial method. 
It never worked. 

719
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,680
So we're worried about 
counterterrorism. 

720
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,040
We'll cooperate with our 
neighbors and that's it. 

721
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,520
And that's basically what he's 
done. 

722
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,880
Israel, a different story. 
Israel is a a valued ally. 

723
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,240
We subsidized them four or $5 
billion a year and has a special

724
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,400
place in America's heart. 
And we're living with the 

725
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,280
confusion of what's happening in
this transition. 

726
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,320
So it's it's complicated. 
So it's a really difficult zip 

727
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,800
code. 
What's the end game? 

728
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,040
I was hoping you weren't going 
to ask that because I don't 

729
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,520
know. 
I don't think anybody knows. 

730
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,080
Of course, that's absolute 
nonsense. 

731
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,440
They know exactly what the end 
game is. 

732
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,600
And actually he goes on to 
describe it. 

733
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,560
But what I find interesting in 
in this particular response from

734
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:38,280
him, he talks about the reason 
why the Zionist bloc policy has 

735
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,440
not been successful to basically
bring our peoples under their 

736
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,920
control. 
So let's have a listen to this 

737
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,360
I. 
Don't think anybody knows. 

738
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,760
At the end game, when we say 
peace, it's an illusion. 

739
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,080
There's never been peace. 
There will probably never be 

740
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,440
peace because everybody's 
fighting for legitimacy. 

741
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,440
So people say, well, they're 
fighting over borders and 

742
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,960
boundaries. 
It's not what they're fighting 

743
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,840
over. 
A border or boundary is the 

744
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,560
currency of a negotiation. 
The end result is somebody wants

745
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,320
dominance, which means somebody 
has to submit in that part of 

746
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,320
the world. 
Submit. 

747
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,640
There's no Arabic word for 
submit. 

748
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:24,320
They can't wrap their head 
around submit, so eventually 

749
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:31,080
prosperity is the only answer. 
So he's very clearly saying 

750
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,400
there that submission is not an 
option from the Arab resistance.

751
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,200
And someone pointed out to me 
that the word Islam means 

752
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,200
submission to, to the word of 
God for Muslims. 

753
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,720
But of course, the Middle East 
is not only made-up of Muslims, 

754
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:51,320
there's Christians, there's, 
there's all manner of minorities

755
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,800
and minority faiths in the 
Middle East and Lebanon, Syria 

756
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,920
and Iraq and so on. 
But what for me is, is this 

757
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:04,760
arrogance that damn it, you 
know, the Arabs won't submit to 

758
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,520
doing what we want. 
But he then brings in the idea 

759
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,160
of prosperity, which is 
effectively, well, if we can't 

760
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,920
get them to submit through what 
we're doing, for example, in 

761
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,400
Palestine, then we'll offer 
them, we'll incentivize them 

762
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,360
with prosperity, which is, of 
course, exactly what they've 

763
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,600
done with the Arab Gulf state. 
So then he goes on to talk about

764
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,640
the role of Hezbollah. 
And again, this is very 

765
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,800
interesting. 
He actually admits that the 

766
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,680
American policy or the Israeli 
policy in Lebanon is effectively

767
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,080
increasing the popularity of 
Hezbollah. 

768
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:43,600
So let's have a look at this. 
So until Hezbollah, which is 

769
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,360
70,000 troops, we don't 
recognize Hezbollah is a foreign

770
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,960
terrorist organization in 
American parlance. 

771
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,640
I get in trouble every time we 
go into this discussion because 

772
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,480
in Lebanon it's not right. 
In Lebanon, it's a political 

773
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,680
party. 
It has 27 parliamentary seats 

774
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,280
out of 166 or so in parliament. 
But Hezbollah is an armed 

775
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,800
militia separate from the 
Lebanese Armed Forces, bigger 

776
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,520
than the Lebanese Armed Forces. 
Lebanese Armed Forces has been a

777
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,000
stable influence. 
And what incentive do they have 

778
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,880
to put their weapons down? 
0 Zero. 

779
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,080
I mean, this is the problem, 
especially when Israel is 

780
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,480
attacking everybody. 
So if Israel, Israel is 

781
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,640
attacking Syria, Israel is 
attacking Lebanon, Israel is 

782
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,920
attacking Tunisia, as as it goes
on, their argument gets better 

783
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,120
and better as we're here to 
protect the Lebanese from 

784
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:42,880
Israel. 
Now, we'll talk more about this 

785
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,280
an extra, but what's very 
interesting there is that he 

786
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,840
appears to admit that Israel did
conduct the attack against the 

787
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,040
Samud flotilla heading to Gaza 
in Tunisia. 

788
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,160
And the last two clips, first of
all, he's talking about the 

789
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,600
Lebanese Armed Forces, which he 
calls LAF, LAF. 

790
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,240
So let's just see what he says 
about them. 

791
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,400
Being mostly Sunnis, there are 
Shias and it's a good 

792
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,320
organization. 
It's it's well meaning, but it's

793
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,720
not well equipped because who 
are they going to fight, right? 

794
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,920
We don't want to arm. 
We're going to arm them so they 

795
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,440
can fight Israel. 
I don't think so. 

796
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,160
So you're arming them so they 
can fight their own people, The 

797
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,480
Hezbollah. 
Hezbollah is our enemy. 

798
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,080
Iran is our enemy. 
We need to cut the heads off of 

799
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,440
those snakes and chop the full 
of funds. 

800
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,560
That's the only way you're going
to stop Hezbollah. 

801
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,520
So this is quite extraordinary. 
He's actually admitting that 

802
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,720
America is keeping the Lebanese 
Armed Forces at a level where 

803
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:45,000
they can't defend the country 
against Israel, but they can be 

804
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,560
used to turn against their own 
people, IE the the resistance. 

805
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,880
And then the final comment that 
he was not the final comment. 

806
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,200
I recommend everybody watches 
the whole interview. 

807
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,320
But this comment he makes about 
if you don't come into line in 

808
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,080
Lebanon, what he will do. 
So let's just play this. 

809
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,000
And I don't mean it's in a 
disrespectful way because all 

810
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,080
they do is talk. 
There's never been one act. 

811
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,840
We've told them, do you want our
help? 

812
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,920
We'll give you our help. 
We gave them a playbook. 

813
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,440
They can't get there. 
They can't execute. 

814
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,720
No, absolutely not. 
So we said fine, we're not going

815
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,200
to execute. 
You know who's going to execute?

816
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,760
Walk across that board. 
Do you see where Jerusalem is? 

817
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,240
Jerusalem is going to take care 
of the Hezbollah for you. 

818
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,560
And that's what's happening 
right now. 

819
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:40,120
Absolutely. 
So that's very clear. 

820
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,680
Lebanon won't come into line 
with the US playbook. 

821
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,440
So now Israel is being triggered
to carry out the USS or 

822
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,400
Washington's dirty work by 
attacking the resistance and the

823
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,360
civilians in the South to bring 
Lebanon in line with the US 

824
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,480
playbook. 
Yes, indeed. 

825
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,000
Thank you, Vanessa. 
We will talk more about this an 

826
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,040
extra now coming back to Europe 
then in a sense, but 

827
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,840
unfortunately beginning with 
another picture of Trump. 

828
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,520
I just want to highlight this 
because the war hysteria 

829
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,880
continues to heat up this week 
LED of course by the mainstream 

830
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,240
media. 
This is Fox News here. 

831
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:17,200
Sorry. 
We'll go back. 

832
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,880
One President Donald Trump, they
say, on Thursday said the US 

833
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,960
could end up in World War Three 
over Russia's war in Ukraine and

834
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,280
conceded that Russian President 
Vladimir Putin has let him down 

835
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,720
over his refusal to end his 
military campaign. 

836
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,200
And this is at the time that 
Trump is doubling down on the 

837
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,960
idea or the narrative that he 
was putting forward with Starmer

838
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,840
at the press release, the press 
conference the other day. 

839
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,120
Fox follows this. 
You got a bit of a preview of it

840
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,920
with an outright lie. 
They said that one day later, 

841
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,720
Russia sent 3 fighter jets over 
Estonia's capital city of 

842
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,000
Tallinn in a direct and clear 
violation of its airspace, 

843
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,000
prompting another NATO member to
spark Article 4 for the second 

844
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,440
time as many weeks. 
So. 

845
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,800
But the point here is the the 
Russian Migs were not sent over 

846
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,960
Talon, and even the map 
published by the Estonian 

847
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,000
Defence Forces show that they 
stayed over the Baltic Sea, not 

848
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,760
coming closer than was at about 
20 miles or so from the coast, 

849
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,960
even if the route was 
questionable. 

850
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,000
I mean, this is still being 
argued over. 

851
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,800
The Associated Press then in 
this article claims that a 

852
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,960
senior Estonian military 
official alleges that the pilots

853
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,320
of the Migs ignore signals from 
Italian F35 pilots who were sent

854
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:41,280
to investigate the presence in 
allegedly in Estonian airspace. 

855
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,640
And in fact, this article makes 
the point that it still needs to

856
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,840
be confirmed if the border 
violation, the alleged border 

857
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,440
violation was deliberate or not.
And the commander of Estonia's 

858
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,840
military intelligence centre is 
reported by AP here as saying 

859
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:04,680
that the Russian jets must have 
known they were in Estonian 

860
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,440
airspace. 
So the Russian pilots didn't 

861
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,920
pose a military threat, this 
article goes on to say. 

862
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,960
But although they said or 
acknowledged that communication 

863
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,760
from the Italian pilots flying 
the F30 fives, the Russians, 

864
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,600
they say, ignored it and didn't 
actually follow the signs, which

865
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,000
is I'm not sure what signs 
they're talking about, which is 

866
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,160
partly why they were in in 
Estonian airspace for so long, 

867
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,280
he said. 
Why they didn't do it, that's a 

868
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:38,120
question for the Russian pilots.
So this this hysteria continues 

869
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,880
to build. 
This of course, began with the 

870
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,720
alleged drone attacks in in 
Poland. 

871
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,840
And with all this hysteria over 
Estonia and Poland, it the 

872
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,240
flight of a Russian IL 20 
intelligent aircraft over the 

873
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:56,240
Baltic Sea yesterday may have 
gone unnoticed by the corporate 

874
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:01,080
media, but not quite because two
Swedish gripping jets and two 

875
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:06,080
German Eurofighter jets were 
sent to go and escort this 

876
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,320
aircraft as well. 
So again, this is an Associated 

877
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,840
Press article that we can see on
screen here. 

878
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,920
And they were just trying to 
hype this situation up once 

879
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,360
again. 
But the rhetoric from, if that's

880
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,000
the media, the rhetoric from 
various MPs and other European 

881
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,120
leaders continues to ramp up as 
well. 

882
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,040
So let's have a look at that. 
Here is the Lithuanian defence 

883
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,080
minister. 
Russia is testing NATO again. 

884
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,840
Dozens of drones in Poland last 
week, drones in Lithuania, 

885
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,240
Latvia, Estonia and now fighter 
jets in Estonian skies. 

886
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,280
These are deliberate 
provocations. 

887
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,240
They're deliberate tests, tests 
of her readiness or resolve and 

888
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:46,480
of the limits of her deterrence.
The latest in an escalating 

889
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,920
pattern of pressure by Russia. 
And she went on safer Estonia 

890
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,680
for Poland, for Lithia and for 
all of NATO's eastern flank. 

891
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,880
This is a direct threat, not 
just the territorial integrity, 

892
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,360
but the citizen safety. 
And of course the idea of 

893
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:03,840
keeping your citizens safe is 
really the, the core sort of 

894
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,440
narrative that we're hearing 
from MPs and other leaders right

895
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,760
across Europe and the UK at the 
moment. 

896
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,000
And she finished by, or she went
on to say here, our biggest risk

897
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,280
currently is miscalculation by 
Russia. 

898
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,720
Does Russia believe that NATO 
will not allow violations of its

899
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,040
territory? 
Does Russia believe that Europe 

900
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,320
is going to strike back together
with the United States? 

901
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,040
That's now the last line of 
defence between if and when a 

902
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,080
war with Russia happens. 
And then we had comments from 

903
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,440
the German. 
For German foreign policy 

904
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,120
adviser Jurgen Hart, only a 
clear message to Russia that any

905
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:44,760
military border violation will 
be sorry, will be met with, will

906
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,360
be met with force. 
These propagations are tested by

907
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,320
Russia. 
Again. 

908
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,160
Ray's ring is basically exactly 
the same words and will only end

909
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,560
if we respond clearly to all 
military border violations. 

910
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,960
The alternative would be for 
Russian war logic to continue to

911
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,320
escalate. 
Now it is airspace violations, 

912
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,600
so it would be the bombing of 
individual targets. 

913
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,040
Then Russian soldiers will come.
It's the the narrative is just 

914
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,800
incredible. 
And then Donald Trump yesterday 

915
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:17,440
was asked whether NATO countries
should shoot down Russian 

916
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,680
aircraft if they violate NATO 
airspace. 

917
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:25,920
And he replied, yes, I do. 
And so just very quickly, 

918
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:32,640
Charles thought. 
Well, in the language of the 

919
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,320
Strategic Defence Review 
published this year, it looks 

920
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,920
like the defence dividend is 
going to pay out because this is

921
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,000
exactly what people have been 
itching for. 

922
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,920
The defence or war industry in 
particular who stand to make 

923
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,000
absolutely billions from this 
and already are because of the 

924
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:54,720
apparent requirement to mobilize
and put 3% of sorry, 5% of GDP 

925
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:57,960
towards spending on war. 
So that, you know, it's looking 

926
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,400
good for the for the reassurance
force who must be beginning to 

927
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,720
think about what they're going 
to pack and all that kind of 

928
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,440
thing. 
So this is exactly where it was 

929
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:07,920
always looking like it was going
to go. 

930
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,080
I think the only difficulty for 
us, perhaps as a sort of 

931
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,040
analysts and commentators, was 
see exactly what steps were 

932
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,760
going to be taken in order that 
delivered the conflict that's 

933
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,680
been so much desired. 
Indeed. 

934
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,920
OK, we will move on then. 
And of course we've got Andrew 

935
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,840
Wakefield speaking at our event 
in a in a few weeks time. 

936
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,280
But what's been going over on in
the United States over the 

937
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,240
question of what causes autism? 
Yes. 

938
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:38,840
Well, I'm not actually intending
to deal very specifically with 

939
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,080
the issue at hand. 
It's rather more the tsunami of 

940
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,120
propaganda which has come out in
the wake of this. 

941
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,520
And, and I'll go on to refer to 
exactly how that pertains to 

942
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,360
Andrew Wakefield and indeed 
another speaker at our at our 

943
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,920
York event. 
But let's just, I'm afraid to 

944
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,920
say it is Donald Trump again. 
But but this is actually going 

945
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,720
to pertain to what's happened in
the United Kingdom. 

946
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:57,120
Let's just listen to what he 
said. 

947
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,080
And there are other parts of the
world where they don't have 

948
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,880
Tylenol, where they don't have 
autism. 

949
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:09,000
That tells you a lot. 
And I want to say it right now. 

950
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,960
And you know, the way I look at 
it, don't take it. 

951
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,600
Don't take it. 
There's there's no downside in 

952
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,520
not taking it. 
So I'd like to ask Bobby to come

953
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,880
up and say a few words. 
I hope I didn't ruin his day. 

954
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,800
But that's the way I feel. 
I've been very strong on the 

955
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,400
subject for a long time. 
You know, life is common sense 

956
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,680
too, and there's a lot of common
sense in this. 

957
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,080
And I wish things like this were
brought up and this group has 

958
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,080
worked so hard on it. 
But I'd like to be a little bit 

959
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,480
more, a little speedier in the 
process of a recommendation 

960
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,560
because there's no harm in going
quicker. 

961
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,520
There's absolutely no harm. 
At worst, there's no harm. 

962
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:47,960
Thank you very much, Bobby, 
please. 

963
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,920
No, of course this has prompted 
a response from every single 

964
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,960
medical organization in the 
world apparently saying that 

965
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:02,840
there is absolutely no evidence 
to support what Trump is saying.

966
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,280
Here we've got the World Health 
Organization issuing a statement

967
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:11,240
on autism relation related 
issues, something that's backed 

968
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,880
up by the Department of Health 
and Social Care saying 

969
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,160
paracetamol and pregnancy what 
you need to know. 

970
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,960
And they say there's no evidence
that taking paracetamol during 

971
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,000
pregnancy causes autism in 
children. 

972
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,480
Now that's either a straight lie
or it's a manipulation regarding

973
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,360
the specifics around the 
conditions that are actually 

974
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:34,040
referred to because the Dean of 
the Faculty of Public Health at 

975
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,760
Harvard, Andrea Baccarelli, has 
cited 46 studies. 

976
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,280
It was it was his paper that has
effectively inflamed this. 

977
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,280
Now of course, one of the 
fundamental things that come out

978
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,480
of this are that at no point has
anybody suggested that taking 

979
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,440
painkillers in the 1st place 
might not necessarily be an 

980
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,520
appropriate thing to do when 
considering the state of the 

981
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,800
human body. 
And that is not medical advice, 

982
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,800
by the way. 
It's just a consideration. 

983
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,280
And the other thing, the 
coincidence, which absolutely 

984
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,640
cannot be ignored considering 
this is relating to pregnancy, 

985
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,320
is the astonishing campaign 
that's just being started with 

986
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,480
autumn vaccination in mind in 
the United Kingdom. 

987
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,960
We'll just have a look at the 
video that they've put out now. 

988
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,800
Good morning. 
If you're pregnant, you can help

989
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,600
protect your baby from RSV, 
whooping cough and flu, which 

990
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,840
can cause serious illness. 
Vaccines give you both the best 

991
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,680
protection against these 
diseases. 

992
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,520
Vaccinated. 
Yeah. 

993
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,480
During pregnancy and in your 
baby's first months of life, 

994
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,800
stay strong, get vaccinated, 
speak to your midwife or GP 

995
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,640
practice. 
Now one of the very interesting 

996
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,520
points to note is that something
that's been particularly 

997
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,840
hammered by the NHS is the idea 
that a pregnant woman getting 

998
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,760
vaccinated means that delivery 
of that vaccination through the 

999
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,560
placenta will benefit the 
newborn baby. 

1000
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,960
And the idea, the campaign sort 
of tagline is, is stay strong, 

1001
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:13,520
get vaccinated. 
Now with that, we've got all 

1002
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,120
sorts of. 
Associated imagery which 

1003
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,120
infantilises the entire 
situation. 

1004
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:23,480
You'll note that the there is no
opportunity missed with regard 

1005
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,800
to wrapping more than one agenda
into this story. 

1006
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,720
Of course every single couple or
parent and child shown is of 

1007
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:36,280
some sort of ethnic minority, 
but then we are given the white 

1008
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,040
mother with child to reinforce 
the point. 

1009
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,720
So there we go, stay strong and 
get vaccinated. 

1010
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,320
The the other thing to point out
is that the the wording used is 

1011
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,040
vaccines help protect what 
matters most. 

1012
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,840
Not forgetting that what matters
most are the profits of the 

1013
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,640
pharmaceutical companies and 
indeed the benefit to the people

1014
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,720
that invest in them. 
That's the key take away from 

1015
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,760
this, hence the propaganda, 
hence the backlash against what 

1016
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,760
Donald Trump was saying in the 
1st place. 

1017
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,400
And yes, I should just finish 
off by saying that please do 

1018
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,360
join us on the live stream for 
our event in New York because 

1019
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,320
not only do we have Andrew 
Wakefield speaking, going over 

1020
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,960
some of the points in his career
which relate to this very topic,

1021
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,160
but also is Evans, who will be 
specialising on medical ethics. 

1022
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,120
And that brings my report on 
propaganda to a close. 

1023
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,520
Yeah, brilliant. 
Thank you. 

1024
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,040
It also brings the news 
programme to a close because we 

1025
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,600
are out of time for now. 
So thank you very much to 

1026
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:33,960
Charles and Vanessa for joining 
me. 

1027
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,840
Thank you all for watching. 
We'll be back in a couple of 

1028
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,320
minutes on the live stream. 
If you're UK column member for 

1029
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,920
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And if you're not a member of 

1030
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,360
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1031
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,720
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programme as well. 

1032
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,320
So we'll see you in a few 
minutes if you're a member. 

1033
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,760
Otherwise don't forget Germ 
tonight at 7, interview tomorrow

1034
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,120
with Vanessa at 1:00 PM and 
we'll be back for another news 

1035
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,920
programme at 1:00 PM on Friday. 
See you then. 

1036
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:04,520
Bye bye.