1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,960 Good afternoon. Today is Monday, the 22nd of 2 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,200 September 2025, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News. 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,520 I'm your host, Brian Garish, Delighted to have Ben Rubin with 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,080 me in the studio. And we'll also be joined by 5 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:28,880 Sandy Adams today on Live Link. Now, we've got a pretty heavy 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,960 news because a lot of the information coming into the 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,000 public domain is by its very nature, it's subject heavy. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,360 And we do need to cut to cover that. 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,520 But we will try and lighten the mood as we progress through 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,280 today's news. We're going to start off by 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,120 having a look at really is, oh, what a wonderful war. 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,480 It's very clear that the British government is now very, very 13 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:55,680 excited at the possibility it can help engineer a war between 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,840 NATO and Russia and there's unlimited money for new military 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,880 projects. And don't worry, because the 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:09,240 country is going to be saved by using war as the opportunity to 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,360 improve our business and trading situation. 18 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,520 But on top of that, we've got in the background the risk of 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,960 casualties, of course, from any conflict. 20 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:22,720 But if that isn't enough to deal with the population, the 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,400 Assisted Dying Bill is coming along quite nicely and Sandy's 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,800 going to be having a look at that. 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,560 She'll also be having a look at the Corporate Transparency Act, 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,280 where every detail of you has to be known by the government 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,720 before you're going to be allowed to run a business of any 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,520 sort. And Ben, you've already got the 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,600 lion's share today, which is having a look at the propaganda 28 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,560 and mind control through the government. 29 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,400 Interestingly enough, some of that takes us back to UK column 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,440 printed edition in 2011. And finally, we're going to end 31 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,320 with a little bit of black humour on BBC Shorts. 32 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:04,800 So let's kick off with with Ukraine and the ramping up for 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,520 war. And it's pretty obvious if we go 34 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,600 to Defence HQ, we've got tweet after tweet or X post if you 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,840 prefer. Talking about jobs, 1000 jobs in 36 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,880 helping to ramp up the drone industry. 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,000 We've got building military aircraft for the US Air Force. 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,120 That'll be with Boeing, an American company, but apparently 39 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,280 that's good for the UK. We've got 200 million 40 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,360 transformation fund for the military construction facilities 41 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,480 in Barrow in Finesse. We've got another 1 1/2 billion 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,360 pounds for Palantir Tech. And we are going to be, quote, 43 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,240 accelerating UK defence towards war fighting readiness. 44 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,200 So they're not messing around, Ben. 45 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,080 They're using the terms we're going to war and what better way 46 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,160 to help the process than for people to be spreading this kind 47 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,920 of material. So a little video clip that 48 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:06,480 Philip Ingram, who's very big with the Times posted showing 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,520 flight paths of those nasty Russians because Russia dead 50 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:16,880 sent a few jets down to Kaliningrad and also there were 51 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,040 some overflights. Of course, NATO has never been 52 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,400 guilty of this at all. Well, apart from Reaper drones 53 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,760 entering Russian airspace over the Black Sea during the 54 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,560 conflict that's been ongoing. But little clips like this all 55 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,720 designed to ramp up fear in people and of course move us 56 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,240 even closer towards a proper full blown war with the 57 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,200 Russians. Now on one hand you might be 58 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:51,440 relieved to know that UK sent jets into Poland to fire a 59 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,880 warning shot to Putin to stay out of NATO territory. 60 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,280 So the text was pretty clear. John Healey said that he was 61 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,560 giving a clear signal to Russia that NATO airspace will be 62 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,920 defended. And how many British jets went 63 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,120 into the area? Well, it was the sum of 2. 64 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,240 So with no doubt Ben, the Russians were quaking in their 65 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,320 boots. But if we want to see how the UK 66 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,200 manipulates the agenda with regard to the Russians, no 67 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,000 better place to go than the Times Radio. 68 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,120 So let's have a look at this podcast. 69 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,200 John Killett, your first question comes in and says since 70 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,680 NATO is a defensive organization, why and how does 71 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,000 Putin think it's an offensive organization? 72 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:45,160 That is a very simple question asking a very complex, a very 73 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:50,160 complex question, and it is one that you have to put yourself 74 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,480 into Vladimir Putin's perspective. 75 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,360 Putin wants an enemy. And if we go from, you know, the 76 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,640 end of the Second World War through the Cold War, who was 77 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,080 the Soviet Union's enemy and who does Putin see as the enemy in 78 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,960 the future? Well, the Soviet Union's enemy 79 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,200 was what became NATO, and then Putin has taken that up and 80 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,240 continued saying NATO was an enemy, and there's no point in 81 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,640 trying to persuade your people that your enemy is only there to 82 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,920 defend. If you attack, you want to make 83 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,360 it the big bad wolf. And that's what Putin has been 84 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,640 doing the whole way through. In fact, that's what the Soviet 85 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,680 Union did the whole way through. NATO was the big bad wolf. 86 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,560 And of course, whenever you look at it in the cold light of day, 87 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,720 on paper, NATO has expanded, it's grown, and it's grown E 88 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,520 into a lot of the countries that were former members of the 89 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,240 Warsaw Pact. And Putin has seen that 90 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:52,880 expansionism as something that is designed, in his words, to be 91 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,880 an aggressive look against Russia and therefore suggesting 92 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,280 that it is a threat against Russia. 93 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,640 He doesn't care about the reality of what NATO is or the 94 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,320 NATO's constitution or, or anything else. 95 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,080 And of course, we've had Russians up until just before 96 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,840 their invasion, full scale invasion of Ukraine, Russians 97 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:13,680 were embedded in the NATO headquarters. 98 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,360 They've been working with NATO for many years. 99 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,600 Russians have deployed under the command of NATO LED operations 100 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,920 in the Balkans. And they haven't complained 101 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,920 before. So Putin knows exactly what NATO 102 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,320 is, but NATO's expanded. For those that don't know, NATO 103 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,800 doesn't expand by going out to different countries and saying, 104 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,720 hey, you know, we see that you're butting up against a 105 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,080 potential enemy. Would you like to come and join 106 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,520 us? Here's our help to get you over 107 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,200 the line to come and join. Now NATO sits and waits. 108 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,120 It waits for countries to turn around and say, can we join? 109 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,400 You have to apply to join. And then whenever they apply to 110 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:53,520 join, they have to meet quite a large number of political and 111 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,640 military standards before they are accepted into the the 112 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,880 overall NATO framework. So truly incredible little clip 113 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,040 because in in in attempting to spin the propaganda against 114 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,360 Putin, what he does is actually describes the very mechanism by 115 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:17,520 which NATO has conducted an aggressive movement, E contrary 116 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,320 to all the promises to the Russians. 117 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,920 And it's coming out as this man gives the little clips of how 118 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,920 things go. But of course, his initial 119 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,920 history, he doesn't tell the audience that immediately after 120 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,560 the defeat of Germany, the Russians moved two million men 121 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,680 from Western Europe all the way across Russia in order to fight 122 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,800 the Japanese and kick them out of China. 123 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,520 He doesn't mention that. He doesn't mention Operation 124 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,280 Unthinkable, which is Churchill's plans for the 125 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,040 Western allies to actually attack the Russians in order to 126 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,400 claim more of all of more of European territory. 127 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,600 So he seems pretty weak on that. But nevertheless, he's put up as 128 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,360 Times newspapers an expert. But if we have a look at his, 129 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,120 sorry, let's say we go, if we have a look at his Twitter 130 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:13,280 account X, he's describes himself as an ex military spook 131 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,800 and planner. And then he says specialized, 132 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,760 let's bring that up on screen. Specialized in taking over 133 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,080 countries, tongue in cheek. Then why would you make a 134 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,400 comment like that unless you'd actually been engaged in that 135 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,320 very thing, getting inside countries, breaking down the 136 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,520 bona fide political system in order to insert the EU agenda or 137 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,080 the NATO agenda. This man is effectively boasting 138 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,799 that, boasting that he's been in the game in order to inflamed 139 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,560 the situation in the Eastern Europe while saying well no NATO 140 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:52,080 of course is there to just protect the West as a defensive 141 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,280 organization. Propaganda. 142 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,160 Quite unbelievable. But the other place we need to 143 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,840 go with propaganda is Defence HQ. 144 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:04,080 This is from their Twitter page itself and what we've got is a 145 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,120 commentary supposedly on what's happening in Ukraine itself. 146 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,120 It says here the logistics hub of Krosk remains the focal point 147 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,560 for the Russian offensive operations. 148 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,040 And this is absolutely true. But of course Defence 149 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,520 Intelligence doesn't give the UK Cup public the truth that the 150 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,440 city is operationally encircled and the Russian forces have 151 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,440 already taken key parts of the southern city's defences. 152 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,840 If we go on through, it's talking about major elements of 153 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,280 Russia's naval infantry being transferred from the Kursk 154 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:44,280 region to Perkovsk. But of course it's then saying 155 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,840 to start offensive activity in small groups. 156 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,000 Well, the truth is that the Russian troops have successfully 157 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,840 used small groups of men to break fortified positions and 158 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,680 take territory for months at a time. 159 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,480 And if we deal with the second point that they make is that 160 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:08,880 Russians have also taken the Sebriansk Forest, which is a 161 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,800 massive area, and they've successfully taken that by 162 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,080 massive use of bombs, rockets and artillery, which the 163 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,960 Ukrainians don't have, supported by small groups of men. 164 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:26,040 So it's basically propaganda by a mission from Defence HQ, but 165 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,600 we need to identify it. And if we go on to the last 166 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,920 point here, where it's saying that the Russian forces have 167 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,920 consolidated control over sectors of the areas ordering 168 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,120 Janitra, Petrovsk and the Donetsk Oblast. 169 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,080 However, many of these are still contested in. 170 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,640 In reality, the Russians are continuing to breakthrough 171 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,960 Ukrainian front lines largely across the whole length of the 172 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:58,600 front line, and they are advancing into rare areas, 173 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,360 taking more ground. And This is why NATO is getting 174 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,000 so spooked at the moment, because having denied the 175 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,720 Russians were moving forward, that's exactly what they're 176 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,000 doing. And so if we analyse what 177 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,720 Defence HQ has been doing, this is deliberately misleading 178 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,880 propaganda which is designed to ramp up fear of Russia and to 179 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,480 hide the truth about the war in Ukraine. 180 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,840 Now, instead of going to this despicable UK government 181 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,920 organization for information, there are many extremely good 182 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,600 online analysts of the war. We've supported a whole range of 183 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,280 them over the time that the war has been in place. 184 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,320 And if we have a look at Petrovsk here, which they've 185 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,320 been talking about, the first thing to understand is that the 186 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,960 area itself is encircled by the Russians. 187 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,360 And although they haven't, if you like, joined the full 188 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:02,440 circle, they have fire control over the Western Rd. into this 189 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,680 area. So there's no doubt that 190 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,800 Minograd and Petrovsk are both now in circles. 191 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:17,160 And if we just show the two areas, we've got 2 city, well, 192 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,960 small town, large towns, small city areas together. 193 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,200 And both of these are now held in the Russian encirclement. 194 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:29,480 And you can see by the extensive area in pink around it the size 195 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,200 of the Russian progress. I'm just going to say this has 196 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,120 come from the military summary channel. 197 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,440 So credit for this excellent analysis. 198 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,120 And if we have looked in a bit more detail, we can see the 199 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,280 yellow arrows there, which is showing the likely Ukrainian 200 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,960 escape routes for their forces that are being encircled. 201 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,840 And you can see the formation of the Russian pincer which is 202 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,840 going, which is ultimately going to take the city. 203 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,640 And there's no question that this is going to happen. 204 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,920 If we have a look at Kupiansk, we can see this, a similar 205 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,240 encirclement happening, Russians in this case approaching from 206 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,000 the north, northwest. And the flags with the sorry, 207 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,680 the areas with the Ukrainian flags on showing largely the the 208 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:20,440 strongholds of the Ukrainians which are left in Kupiansk, but 209 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,080 the Russians are steadily encircling these. 210 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,680 And if we translate this into reality, this is a description 211 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,640 here or photos showing high rise buildings in Copiand. 212 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:38,720 And this is really giving you the key visual for how difficult 213 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,480 this terrain is for the Russians to fight because you've got very 214 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,480 flat landscape. And if you have strong multi 215 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,280 Storey buildings, these inevitably form very difficult 216 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,960 strong points. So credit to both sides. 217 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,320 This is brutal urban warfare. But the facts are that the 218 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,440 Russians are steady steadily defeating the Ukrainians in 219 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,400 these areas and these are ultimately strategic defeats. 220 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,760 Now, if we just come back to UK briefly, something which caught 221 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,960 my attention and Charles Malit at the end of last week was this 222 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,200 report talking about the role of women in the UK armed forces. 223 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:25,240 And if we've got somewhere about 11%, maybe more, up to 15% women 224 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,920 in the reserve forces, well, the future is very different because 225 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,480 the intention is that as we ramp up for war with the Russians, 226 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,600 we're going to ramp up to get 30% women in our armed forces. 227 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,520 And that has all sorts of ramifications because if we look 228 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,200 worldwide, women are not being put onto the battlefield to 229 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,240 fight. Although there's much talk about 230 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,440 this, when the chips are down, it's invariably the men that 231 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,160 come forward. We'll talk about this a bit a 232 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,720 bit more in extra time, but let's move on from there. 233 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,560 And welcome to you, Sandy. And if we're going to kill 234 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,360 people on the battlefield in very large numbers, we're also 235 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,480 targeting our elderly via the assisted dying bill. 236 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,440 Indeed. And and not just the elderly. 237 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:21,280 It's yeah, it, it had its, its second reading this week on last 238 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,880 Friday, on the 19th of September in in the Lords. 239 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,560 And they set up a special Select Committee to take detailed 240 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,160 evidence and to scrutinize the bill. 241 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,320 The bill was formerly the terminally ill adults end of 242 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,800 life Bill. And it it cleared its second 243 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,560 reading, so it remains on the statute book track and proceeds 244 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,360 through the Lord's stages. Obviously, due to much 245 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,960 opposition from some peers, rather than moving immediately 246 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,480 to normal committee report stages, the House agreed to 247 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,880 appoint a Select Committee to gather evidence from 248 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,080 professional bodies, coroners, ministers and other bodies 249 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,760 involved. The committee will publish the 250 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,560 evidence it hears, but unusually, it's not being asked 251 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,280 to make amendment recommendations, which makes me 252 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,560 feel that it, you know, they are going to try and push this 253 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,240 through without a doubt. The committee was given a 254 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:19,280 reporting headline deadline, so they've been asked to report 255 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,280 back by the 7th of November, which is quite soon. 256 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,640 Ministers such as the Health and Justice secretaries are expected 257 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,640 to give evidence. So you know, it's, it's going 258 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,960 to, it's, it's pushing its way through. 259 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,080 So if the Lord's bill is amended, it will return to the 260 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,280 House of Commons for consideration of those 261 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,560 amendments. If no blocking amendments pass, 262 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,720 the bill can proceed through both houses towards Royal 263 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,040 Assent. So there we have it now there's, 264 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,200 there's, there was a lot of opposition. 265 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,880 I don't know, you know, many people may have watched the 266 00:16:53,880 --> 00:17:00,520 Hansard on, on all this, but Baroness Finley and Lord Daniel 267 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,560 Moylan had something to say about this. 268 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,079 And we've got some, we've got some footage of both of those 269 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:07,560 now. So if we could roll that 270 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,480 footage. The bill doesn't require any 271 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,599 attempt to relieve pain or suffering, even if they're 272 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:17,040 present. It puts the power in the hands 273 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,240 of the two assessing doctors who may know. 274 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Nothing about the conditions of the person who cannot detect 275 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,359 undue influence or coercion and whose motivation may be opaque. 276 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,640 Prognosis is a guess, and diagnostic errors are common. 277 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,280 They do. These doctors do not need to be 278 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,040 certain. Only on the balance of 279 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,040 probabilities do they need to believe the criteria are met 280 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:44,720 with no oversight of their assessment. 281 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,840 How can a panel approve the death with any certainty when 282 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,720 there is no ability to appeal against a panel approval and no 283 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,520 coroner oversight? How many wrongful deaths a year 284 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,720 is acceptable? No system can be 100% safe 285 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,640 providing massive. Drug overdoses in an unlicensed 286 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,080 way to end life is not a therapeutic act. 287 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,800 It's notable that the words death and dying hardly appear, 288 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,520 that the poison to be used is described as an approved 289 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,440 substance. The still mysterious contraption 290 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,800 by which it is to be administered is called an 291 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,040 approved device and the business itself. 292 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,080 When you get to Clause 25, you'll find it's headed 293 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:39,040 administration of assistance, provision of assistance. 294 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,040 Assistance, in fact, is the term used throughout the whole of the 295 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Bill. Is this something that's going 296 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,880 to become part of our daily language? 297 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,920 Have you considered assistance, Mrs. Smith? 298 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:59,000 My Lords, we know what this is. It is euphemism an an old 299 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:05,080 ancient Greek device for hiding from the gods through the use of 300 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,040 flowery language, something of which you are ashamed. 301 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,240 And that's what the language of this bill is constantly 302 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,680 expressing at every turn. My Lords, I think we are right 303 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,400 to be ashamed of what is in this Bill. 304 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,200 I think he spoke very eloquently. 305 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,280 So yeah, there's definitely, definitely something very shady 306 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,000 about all of this. And obviously Lord Falconer is 307 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,760 the, is the person pushing this alongside Esther Ranson. 308 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:40,360 And he's a major player in pushing this bill through. 309 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,640 Now it's interesting. He's he did have to make an 310 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,920 admission in, in the House of Lords. 311 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,480 And I think we have some footage of that admission about the 312 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,440 funding of, you know, towards the assisted dying bill. 313 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,360 And it there's some shady things going on. 314 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:01,200 So I'll let you make your own minds up. 315 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,480 My Lords, I draw. Attention to my entry in the 316 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,000 Register of Members interest, which refers to the fact that I 317 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,480 have an assistant funded by Bernard Lewis to assist me in 318 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,360 the conduct of this Bill, and Dignity in Dying funded the 319 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,840 printing of literature which I sent to your Lordships in 320 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,680 connection. With the Bill, I apologize for 321 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,200 not mentioning this in my opening speech. 322 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,440 My Lords, this has been a debate. 323 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:31,280 So he admitted that actually the, that some of the literature 324 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:37,240 was funded by Dignity and Dying. And these two, there's 2, two 325 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,480 companies that are intrinsically linked, it's Dignity and Dying. 326 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,440 And the other one is the, I think it's called the 327 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,440 Compassionate dying organization. 328 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:54,440 Now both of these are linked to the Bernard Lewis Trust who were 329 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,280 funding a lot of the assisted by dying bill. 330 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:04,000 So so who owns that trust? It's the the the Lewis family 331 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,560 trust, the Bernard Lewis family trust. 332 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,600 And they're part of the river, the River Island fame. 333 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,120 That's where they made their money. 334 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,680 Like most corporate capitalists, the family has its fingers in 335 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:20,360 multi, multi nefarious pies. The founder, Bernard Lewis, is 336 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:22,120 responsible for the family's fortunes. 337 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,840 The company's house lists him alone as an active director of 338 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,320 no fewer than I think it's 20 corporations. 339 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,120 And another company called Cavendish Square Secretariat 340 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,320 acts as secretary for 52 other companies. 341 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,560 It's owned by the Lewis Trust Group. 342 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,400 The group's portfolio spans various investment companies in 343 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,680 England, property development in Poland and a chain of hotels in 344 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,880 Israel and the US. And if the company it keeps, or 345 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,960 rather the other organization it donates to is anything to go by, 346 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,440 it seems it's, it's very comfortably a missed a missed 347 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,400 amongst neoliberal circles. So let's look at some of these 348 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,520 organisations that receive funding from Bernard Lewis Trust 349 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,320 Dignity in Dying and it's it's got a sister company called 350 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,480 Compassion in Dying. Now Dignity in Dying had an 351 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:23,120 income of 2.6 million in 2023, up from 1.7 million in 2022 / 2 352 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:27,280 million was spent on lobbying, PR, media, research and funding 353 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,720 to push the assisted dying bill. Crucially, the accounts do not 354 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,080 disclose who the high value donors are. 355 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:39,200 Compassion in dying charity, they show a clearer donor 356 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,040 information. In 2023, it owed 139,000 to 357 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,000 Dignity in dying for staffing and overheads, meaning its 358 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,800 donors are indirectly funding lobbying and they are very 359 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:55,560 linked to these two, these two companies now, Oh, oh the, the 360 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,040 trust, the Bernard Lewis Trust donated well over 1.8 million in 361 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,120 documented donations to dignity and dying and compassionate 362 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:07,440 dying are the recipients of the Lewis Trust's money where the 363 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,480 Conservative Party and from Bernard Lewis personally, he 364 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,760 donated, I think it was 46,000 to, to, you know, personally to 365 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,560 the Conservative Party as well as 52,000,000 between 2008 and 366 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,440 2010. And then a network of nefarious 367 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,360 think tank, you know, sort of dark think tanks, the Henry 368 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:38,560 Jackson Society, the Centre for Social Justice Policy Exchange 369 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,280 Demos, as well as Zionist organisations such as the 370 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,440 Community Security Trust, so and the Jewish Leadership Council. 371 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,920 So all of this is, is being funded by many, many 372 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,800 organisations that we have nothing, we we don't, we know 373 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,720 nothing about. They're they're just pushing 374 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,280 money into this. So it's heavily funded by 375 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,120 million billionaire capitalists and opaque trusts, not 376 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,480 grassroots donations. And the same back as also Bank, 377 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,000 pro neoliberal and Zionist organization raising concerns 378 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,440 that the push for assisted dying aligns with ideological and 379 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,920 economic agendas, but that devalue vulnerable lives both 380 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,880 here in the UK and abroad. So let's look at the hypocrisy. 381 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,080 Of the funding, 8.12 million has been spent by lobbyists and 382 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,560 wealthy donors to promote assisted dying over roughly A 383 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,080 decade. Meanwhile, the annual funding 384 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,400 gap for palliative care is is in the hundreds of millions. 385 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,720 The government has reduced its funding of Hospice and 386 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,200 palliative care by 47 million in the last 18 months, with 387 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,360 hospices forced to run cakes, stalls, sales, charity shops and 388 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:51,400 marathons to stay stay afloat. In other words, just a fraction 389 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,520 of the private money poured into lobbying for assisted dying 390 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,160 could have transformed palliative provision for 391 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,240 thousands of dying people, providing pain relief, hospital 392 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,200 beds and support for families. It's clear that wealthy donors 393 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,160 have chosen to bankroll campaigns that make death more 394 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,080 accessible, yet those same resources are not being directed 395 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,160 towards making life until natural death more comfortable. 396 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,240 Society is left in a position where it's easier and cheaper to 397 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,400 promote a lethal injection than to guarantee proper palliative 398 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,600 care, not because of public will, but because lobbying is 399 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,360 better funded than compassion. This is deeply concerning. 400 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:37,640 And I think we have a a video now from I think his name's he's 401 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,920 Doctor Miller and he's he kind of puts it into perspective. 402 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,320 And I think we should listen to this. 403 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,160 It kind of puts it all in one place. 404 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,920 Make your own minds up. Thank you. 405 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,680 That's a minor change compared with the this century's growth 406 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:59,560 in the world population from 6.1 billion to 8.2 billion, a 25% 407 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,720 increase in 25 years. But just think what the 202 five 408 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:12,760 numbers would be if abortion had not been legalized or there had 409 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,120 not been white skilled usage and advocacy of contraception. 410 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,320 And indeed the growth of homosexuality throughout society 411 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,440 has reduced the number of children we would have had at 412 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,160 the churches. Had their way, we would have had 413 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,840 a very much bigger population than we presently have. 414 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,400 Basically, the difficulties we have with climate change. 415 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,560 Well, Sandy, thank you very much for that. 416 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,560 It's it's a very, very serious and as you say, dark agenda. 417 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,320 And it's also deeply disturbing that there's huge amounts of 418 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,920 money coming in in order effectively to lobby and 419 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,720 manipulate the government into going down this path when the 420 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,160 same money spent could have a a very much more human and 421 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,760 compassionate outcome if it was put towards caring for people 422 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,840 who were heading in or heading towards terminal illness. 423 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,000 So lots of questions to be asked. 424 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,080 We we a little bit uncertain about the name of the gentleman 425 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,480 speaking there in the House of Lords. 426 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,520 We'll check that out and we'll make sure we've got that correct 427 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,200 in you in extra today. But a lot to be discussed. 428 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,040 And Ben, this is more manipulation of politics, isn't 429 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,560 it? And you, you've come in on the 430 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,640 topic of mind control, which is is the government's main agenda, 431 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,840 it appears at the moment it. Certainly is, yes. 432 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,440 Well, I think that's what government is, isn't it? 433 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,760 If we just flag this up, government, what does that mean? 434 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,760 Mind control, that's what it's all about. 435 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,280 Before I progress, let me just say that was an amazing report, 436 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,080 Sandy, and that speech at the end there just took my breath 437 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,840 away. I can't believe that we have to 438 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,760 talk about that more in Extra and also particularly the Henry 439 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,880 Jackson Society because I've been looking at them over the 440 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,200 past week or two. So anyway, we'll come back to 441 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,040 it. Mind control, government, what 442 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,800 are they up to, what they're planning next. 443 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,400 There is no better place to go to find that out than Policy 444 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:20,400 Live, which happened 10 days ago, week before last, and it's 445 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,600 powered by Nestor and the Behavioural Insights Team. 446 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,760 Nestor, the UK's social innovation agency who are 447 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,800 manipulating the social fabric and the Behavioural Insights 448 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,880 Team, AKA the Nudge Unit who are manipulating our minds. 449 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,080 Before I get into this, I'm just going to draw your attention to 450 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,240 this organisation as well as a sidebar, but I'm going to come 451 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,600 back to these these lot over the coming weeks. 452 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,000 This is Flint Global which is a strategic consulting business 453 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,440 which advises international businesses and investors on 454 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,800 policy, politics, regulation and competition. 455 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,760 So very expensive polished advice from people with very 456 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,200 privileged positions in the establishment, not least the Co 457 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120 founders. So first of all, this guy says 458 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,800 Sir Simon Fraser, who as well as being a Co founder of Flint, 459 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,720 spent a long time in the in the Foreign Office. 460 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,720 It was the head of the UK Foreign Office and diplomatic 461 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,480 Service. We ran the whole embassy network 462 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,680 for the British government. And he's also now currently the 463 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,400 chair of Chatham House. So he has a dual role here, 464 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,200 making a lot of money with Flint while also enormously 465 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,080 influencing policy at Chatham House. 466 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,440 And then more pertinent to today's presentation, Ed 467 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,640 Richards, who is also a Co founder of Flint whilst being 468 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,160 chair at Nestor and the Behavioural Insights team. 469 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,160 So between these two, that is an extraordinary amount of 470 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,280 influence coalesced into one place, one organization. 471 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,720 You've got the kind of blue blooded establishment of Chatham 472 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,800 House and the neo liberal progressives of the Behavioural 473 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,800 Insights team together in one place. 474 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,040 And as I say, we'll come back to Flint Globe. 475 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,320 I just wanted to register that with you because that'll give 476 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,640 you a little bit more context. What we're going to talk about 477 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,360 is it as it relates to Nestor Live. 478 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,080 Let's hear now from Ed Richards, Chair of Nestor and the 479 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,960 Behavioural Insights Team, talking about the challenges 480 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,360 facing the political classes in the UK in 2025. 481 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,640 Firstly, there is a frustration in the country so that we can't 482 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,640 somehow quite agree how to tackle the important problems of 483 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,200 the age. That is partly a problem of the 484 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,280 polarized politics of the age, but it is certainly a problem 485 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,960 the second. Would be that there seems to me 486 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,240 to be a widespread concern that somehow some challenges are now 487 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,960 almost insoluble, that they're just almost too difficult for us 488 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,720 to solve. The third. 489 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,880 Would be a concern, a worry that somehow government itself can't 490 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,440 effect change in the way that it once could. 491 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,040 It seems to find it harder and harder to address some of the 492 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,440 complex challenges. That we face. 493 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,640 And fourthly, that the state itself, the state writ large, 494 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:17,280 struggles to implement quickly and efficiently policy, even 495 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,720 when policy objectives are in fact agreed and clear. 496 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,280 I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday in France and she 497 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,080 said to me that France is in fact now almost ungovernable, 498 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,520 and it reminded. Me for a moment. 499 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,360 Of the debates in the 70s about the UK being ungovernable, some 500 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,200 of you will remember them. I don't think you could say that 501 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,960 about the UK, not with the government, with such a clear 502 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,040 and strong majority, but there is a. 503 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,040 Concern, I think, about the degree to which government can 504 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,360 govern in a way that meets the challenges of our age. 505 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,560 Government can't govern. Some challenges are insoluble, 506 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,800 we cannot solve them. Government can't affect change. 507 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560 The state can't even implement policy when it's got a clear 508 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,960 mandate to do so. Apparently he thinks that the UK 509 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,840 should be governable because Labour has a mandate, 510 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,280 apparently, even though they got about 20% of the vote or 511 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,000 something like that. And I'm rather jealous of the 512 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,840 French actually, because apparently France is 513 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,800 ungovernable and I think that's probably something that we 514 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,240 should aspire to. I don't know. 515 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,880 I think it's got a lot to be said for it and it shows that 516 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,160 the French spirit is causing problems. 517 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,200 Yeah, we tend to be more dose of. 518 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,440 I think we do, yeah. Problem. 519 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,520 Absolutely. So anyway, they're gonna, 520 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,240 they're gonna try though, right? So they're gonna try and govern 521 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,640 us and we'll have a little look at some of the ways in which 522 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,760 they're going to do that. Up on stage next. 523 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,400 We had this crowd, Heather Stewart on the left there, 524 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,360 economics editor of The Guardian, David Halpin, very 525 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,840 familiar to regular viewers. The UK column, the guy that 526 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,360 started the nudge unit for David Cameron back in 2010, Polly 527 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,720 Curtis from Demos, Interesting to see Demos in Sandy's segment 528 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,840 there. Again, we have to come back to 529 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,160 that in Extra. And then this chap on the right 530 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,480 hand side there, that's Antonio Silva from Nestor, and he's 531 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,320 there to talk about something called social capital. 532 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,680 And essentially see what they're doing here is saying, well, if 533 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,280 the government can't fix things, which is what Ed Richards just 534 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,400 said, then maybe society can fix things. 535 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,360 But we've still got to justify our existence in our fancy 536 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,800 office in central London with our well paid jobs. 537 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,760 So let's run this big survey to go and see if we can understand 538 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,200 the UK society from an anthropological perspective. 539 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,760 And this is all done in the context of essentially cultural 540 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,800 Marxism. So he talks about these three 541 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,920 forms of capital, economic capital, what you have, human 542 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,120 capital, what you know, and social capital, this new thing 543 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,240 you're introducing, which is all about who you know and looking 544 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,280 at social networks and his kick off point now on the left hand 545 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,640 side you can see his desk Capital by Marks, right? 546 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,240 So these are Marxists in London developing government policy, 547 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,200 running. With huge amounts of money. 548 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,920 Huge. Huge, huge, huge. 549 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,440 Amounts of money. I mean, we talked. 550 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,920 I think Nestor's got in the region of half a billion pounds 551 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,719 in its endowment, hugely wealthy, traveling an office 552 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,679 right next to JP Morgan's office on the Embankment in central 553 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,080 London. And this is what they spend 554 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,560 their time doing, right? And what do they run? 555 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:26,480 They run a national study to look at 6 billion friendships in 556 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,400 the UK and look at this social capital. 557 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,520 Reading from the top lines, they looked at social networks of 58% 558 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,719 of the UK population. So it's 20 and a half million 559 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,000 anonymised Facebook users. Well, will they? 560 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,560 Well, I mean, Facebook has been quite public about the fact that 561 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,840 it doesn't know what it does with your data. 562 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,320 They didn't build that platform for privacy and they're 563 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,800 allowing, this is a formal partnership with Facebook, by 564 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,080 the way, I'll come on to that in a minute. 565 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,920 They're allowing this organization access to 20 566 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,200 million user profiles to look at relationships between all these 567 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,000 different people, focusing on what they call economic 568 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,320 connectedness, so looking at high income friends that low 569 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,960 income people have and trying to understand the connection 570 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,880 between different strata and society. 571 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,880 They're also looking at things like social mobility, which 572 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,560 comes from a different data set. And then they ran a survey 573 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,440 looking at well-being, which is about satisfaction, life 574 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,520 satisfaction, how much people trust each other. 575 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,040 That comes from a separate survey. 576 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,920 And actually it's quite entertaining because he was 577 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,560 rather disappointed that actually in the UK, friendships 578 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,840 do bridge economic divides significantly more so than in 579 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,160 other countries, which I don't think is what he was expecting 580 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,160 to find out. There's enormous diversity in 581 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,400 the population. The class divide is actually 582 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,080 much less entrenched than people think. 583 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,800 People from the lower levels of society have lots of friends in 584 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,280 the upper levels of society. We're certainly the higher 585 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,760 earning levels of society, I think we should probably say. 586 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,640 And, and the, the, the entertaining thing for, for me 587 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,640 about this is what you get with these studies is that it's all 588 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,560 done on data and they never actually say we went out and 589 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,760 spoke to some people. It's all just, it's all 590 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,360 spreadsheet based basically. And we didn't find an issue, but 591 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,320 we're still going to make a load of interventions. 592 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,200 So we then end up with, oh, we're going to redraw the school 593 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,240 catchment areas and we've got to create a new community ownership 594 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,720 fund and we've got to get government investment for 595 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,520 socially mixed sports facilities. 596 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,800 Even though there's not really anything particularly wrong in 597 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,440 the country, we've got to intervene in it anyway because 598 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,280 obviously we need to, as I said before, justify our resistance. 599 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,760 And obviously this guy is he's not he's not English. 600 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,400 So his name is Antonio Silva. So I'm guessing he's Spanish or 601 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,360 Portuguese potentially, I'm not sure. 602 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,280 Martin vessel was the guy he worked with. 603 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,120 Sounds like a German name to me. And actually Halpern in the 604 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,880 response to this makes some comment about not liking the way 605 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,680 that Anglo Saxon's positioned park benches and actually 606 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,240 thinking that he would need to intervene to change that, which 607 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,640 is, you know, just kind of astonishing really. 608 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,600 And given the fact that they haven't found an issue with the 609 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:59,160 class divide, I think they kind of got down to business and 610 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,320 really opened up what this was all about when they started to 611 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,040 talk about immigration. Let's have a little listen to 612 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,600 this. There's this also. 613 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:11,440 Part of the recipe for dealing with absorbing quite large scale 614 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,920 immigration in the way that we've had and, you know, forming 615 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,160 more cohesive groups or not dividing or, you know, dealing 616 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,320 with some of the issues that Polly was sort of gesturing up 617 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,160 there that you know is this is this part of the recipe for for, 618 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,880 you know, forming closer connections, whatever your 619 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,600 background, whatever your. It can be. 620 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,320 It has been historically. There's another Commission, 621 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,080 several running at the moment, but one on community cohesion 622 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,720 which is looking at some of those issues more broadly. 623 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:43,840 And it took its first evidence session and obviously it was a 624 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,960 fantastic presentation. Somebody reasonably well known 625 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,120 figure who grew up in the East Standard web, but was 626 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,480 contrasting about how, you know, you look about it, his father's 627 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,560 generation or whatever. If you're in East End. 628 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,160 It was a kind of, it was a melting pot for lots of reasons. 629 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,960 You know, he rather elegantly put it, you know, we all learn a 630 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,480 bit of Yiddish and we smoke a bit of pot and you know, it's 631 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,200 like shit happening. But then in contrast, what also 632 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,040 happened in a lot of those periods, if you go back, you 633 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,840 know, to three generations, you get a lot of areas which are 634 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,640 actually white only in other parts of the country. 635 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,040 And actually, they're the ones that are really most worried 636 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,320 normally about immigration where you don't see those populations. 637 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,280 So it's not just sort of a contact hypothesis writ large. 638 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,240 But it looks a lot like it, right? 639 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,200 Yeah. It's it's not a real world 640 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,560 example, but we're running a big program on deliberative policy 641 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,640 making around immigration at the moment. 642 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,320 And all the evidence shows that if you bring people with very 643 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:49,280 broad opinions together in a safe space and a really powerful 644 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,360 deliberative process, there is a natural moderation that happens 645 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,400 in those processes and people find kind of compromises and 646 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,520 ways through. And the it's what we talk about 647 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,160 kind of like a Mimby majority kind of effect that actually at 648 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,360 the moment our kind of public debate has been so driven by the 649 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,840 extremes when you. Bring people together without 650 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,160 those kind of like extreme drivers in the room. 651 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,440 People find kind of ways through those very kind of seemingly 652 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:24,680 toxic debates. Arrogance is what I pick up, 653 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,360 Ben. Unbelievable arrogance. 654 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:32,400 They are the intellect and those other people are not capable of 655 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,720 making sensible decisions. That have been managed and 656 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:38,720 cajoled and moved around. And it's really the white only 657 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,560 areas that are the problem. But if you get your hands around 658 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,960 them and kind of force them into it, then ultimately then the 659 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,520 whole thing kind of moves along, right? 660 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,680 Really, really. It's not just arrogant, it's 661 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,760 actually destructive, right? And I use this term. 662 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,400 Where has it gone? Oh, hang on a minute, There we 663 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,600 are. This cultural genocide. 664 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,360 It's actually what we're talking about here, right? 665 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,320 It's ethnicide. It refers to the deliberate and 666 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,440 systematic destruction of a group's cultural religion and 667 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,880 identity. That's what they're doing. 668 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:03,560 Right. And it gets delivered in this 669 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,840 kind of glib, air conditioned, well upholstered, metropolitan 670 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,840 elitist fashion. But that's actually what's 671 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,560 happening behind the scenes, right? 672 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,840 What these people are up to. And let's have a quick look at 673 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,480 the civil service. I'm completely blown the clock, 674 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,200 I'm afraid. So I don't know if we're still 675 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,480 if we're still doing the castle prod, I'm probably going to get 676 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,200 it. But it's definitely worth having 677 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,240 a look at really kind of an All Star cast actually for this this 678 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:30,840 session, which ran in the afternoon. 679 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,000 So this is about the civil service of the future. 680 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,560 You have the various perm sex secretaries. 681 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,040 So I just flick on. We can see Ed Richards comes 682 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,920 back. He's hosting the thing on the 683 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,680 left hand side there. We then have Gus O'Donnell, 684 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,840 formerly known as God, who was the Cabinet secretary under 685 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,960 Cameron, I believe it was for many years. 686 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,240 And then Dame Tamara Finkelstein on the end there, who's just 687 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,560 left Defra, where she was permanent permanent secretary. 688 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,360 And then Susan Ackland Hood in the middle, who's the permanent 689 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,920 secretary of the Department for Education. 690 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,680 This is really interesting, actually. 691 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,880 I've got to say, like kind of glimpse into what's going on in 692 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,760 the civil service. Gus O'Donnell was quite 693 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,680 forthright. We're going to run a clip of him 694 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,600 in a moment, but basically he said that we were at a stage 695 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,280 where more, more than ever before, people want the 696 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,360 government to do things but they don't trust the government. 697 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,720 And I actually think that this is an issue. 698 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,880 They they want stuff done, they're looking around and the 699 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,360 government is the thing that's there. 700 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,680 What they don't realise is actually we need to sort of 701 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,480 stuff out for ourselves. Government should have nothing 702 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,480 to do with most of the issues that it's getting involved in. 703 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,560 Ackland Hoods delivered a classic civil service line, 704 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,440 which she said. The civil service is getting 705 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,600 better, but the world is getting worse faster. 706 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,920 It's not our fault. And then Finkelstein, she's 707 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,440 concerned about change, actually, and this idea that 708 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,880 maybe we they might be bringing political appointees in to run 709 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,680 civil service departments like they do in the US. 710 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,880 And she was kind of terrified, actually, that someone like 711 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,200 Farage might come in and start messing around with the top 712 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,080 levels of the civil service. But Gus O'Donnell delivered some 713 00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:07,160 rather brutally honest thoughts about what change actually means 714 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,720 when proposed by politicians. Let's have a listen. 715 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,440 What does structural change mean in the context of that kind of 716 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,800 challenge from the political leadership? 717 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,200 I, I would say I'd start by saying the prime ministers, when 718 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,800 they'd say those sorts of things, have absolutely no idea 719 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,320 the answer to that question. When they talk about rewiring 720 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,800 the state, they, they honestly don't know what they mean. 721 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,120 You know, they, it's OK. So you know, how, how do you 722 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,400 want to do this? You know what, what are you 723 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,880 thinking about? Nothing so you you do need to 724 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,520 realize that as a civil servant that and and this sometimes 725 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,600 people forget it's an incredibly political job, right. 726 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,760 You do have to understand the way in which politicians work 727 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,320 for what matters to them and how to think about, you know, for 728 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,360 example, on delivery, how to get them interested in delivery. 729 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,640 You know, like, it's every Prime Minister I've ever worked with. 730 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,280 He's like, oh, another foreign trip. 731 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,800 Oh, this is good. They treat me really well. 732 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,480 The foreign press asked me proper questions about policy. 733 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,400 That's great. And I've left behind all those 734 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,920 fights about, Oh my God, the internal party fights, you know, 735 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,760 so you can understand why they get really attracted to doing 736 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,400 foreign policy and you have to drag them back to the domestic 737 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:26,520 stuff. I just say I enjoyed that 738 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,800 because he's clearly been out of office for quite some time 739 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,360 because he was very honest about his interactions with prime 740 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,560 ministers. You basically don't know 741 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,640 anything. Sounds about right. 742 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,800 This is true. While that video was playing I 743 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:43,480 was having a look at Auk column printed newspaper from 2011 744 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,360 where we were warning that the Cabinet Office was working with 745 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,240 the French to implement political applied psychology to 746 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,680 change the way people thought and behaved. 747 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,680 And of course Gus O'Donnell was one of the key attendees in that 748 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,840 17th of December meeting. The meeting was actually 749 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,800 December 2010, but UK column reported on it 2011. 750 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,560 Dangerous stuff. Absolutely. 751 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,560 And so many of the same characters have just been there 752 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,720 consistently through the piece. I'll just wrap up very quickly 753 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,160 with what came up at the end of the day, this is very important. 754 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,320 We're hearing a lot of talk over the past few days about digital 755 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,240 ID schemes and the, the kind of the, the blockbuster one that's 756 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,400 always held up is the, the Indian one. 757 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:29,560 And they, they had this guy, Doctor Praman Varma, who 758 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,800 presented, he was the chief architect for the digital ID 759 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,840 scheme in India. It's a huge programme. 760 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,800 They've built the social credit system in their enormous 761 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,320 country, 1.4 billion people, 22 languages, 12 religions and and 762 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,360 they've transformed it through what they call formalisation, 763 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,040 especially bringing people formally into the economy. 764 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,200 They've got a billion people into the economy that weren't 765 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,960 recognised, like they didn't know who these people were at 766 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,320 all. And then having brought in, 767 00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,960 obviously this is presented as a good thing. 768 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:03,400 So they can now participate in the marketplace and be given 769 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,000 lots of money through digital payments and government benefits 770 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,200 and that kind of thing. But ultimately a lot of it is 771 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,760 about what you can see on the right hand side there, taxation. 772 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,560 And now we know you, we can tax you and we can exert influence 773 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,520 and power. Overview. 774 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,440 It's a big part of it. They developed the whole 775 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,080 technical architecture. It's been successful, it's been 776 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,160 implemented. It's public private partnership. 777 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,360 They're rolling out to the entire society essentially. 778 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,680 And this is right at the top of the agenda for UK government. 779 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,840 And they're certain they're looking at India to help them 780 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,840 implement this. So that was an important part of 781 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,280 the day that I thought I'd just end on. 782 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,200 Thank you very much for that Ben, and lots to talk about in 783 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,520 UK Column extra. After today's news, let's just 784 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,680 move on with a big thank you to everybody who's supporting UK 785 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:53,360 Column and taking up a monthly membership or an annual 786 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,000 membership with us or purchasing through the shop or making 787 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,360 donations. If you're not already doing 788 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,520 that, just go to the UK Column website and click here to 789 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,080 support our work. 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Now this is with a gentleman 816 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,880 who's a political commentator in Croatia. 817 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,240 And this is really good because we're getting the the truth of 818 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,480 the matter out from inside the country itself. 819 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,880 I'm delighted to say that we've been engaging with a little bit 820 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,960 of an artistic initiative and let's have a look at this little 821 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,680 clip to understand more. 1000 Words is coming to UK column. 822 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,080 Watch Katie Jo Murphy, Co founder of Hope Sussex, sit for 823 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,520 her portrait whilst deep diving into life, the universe and 824 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,000 everything. First episode airs this weekend 825 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:48,040 on UK Column. Well, there you have it. 826 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,400 That should be extremely interesting and we'll see how 827 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,680 that we'll see how that one pans out. 828 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,720 Now you want a little bit of comment on full fact. 829 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,920 Here, Oh yes, no, this is this is a bit of fun we're going to 830 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,160 have next week. Get it in your Diaries. 5:00 PM 831 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:07,880 till 7 PM 29th of September, Full fact CEO Chris Morris is 832 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,760 doing very bravely, I should say, doing an AMA and ask me 833 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:18,080 anything session on, read it and we're going to go along and ask 834 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,400 him lots of very polite and pointed and intelligent and 835 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,480 probing questions to account for himself. 836 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,760 Good. See you there. 837 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,280 We encourage people to join that. 838 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,520 OK, Sandy, let's bring you back in and tell us a bit about this 839 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,120 Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Act. 840 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,120 Yeah, I mean, I, this was flagged up to me. 841 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,960 I, I didn't know anything about it really, because all this 842 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,680 legislation goes through our, through our parliament and 843 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,560 there's so much of it. How can you keep up? 844 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,400 So, uh, a couple got in touch with me, their, their UK column. 845 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,240 Um, they, they follow UK column and they, they, they've got 2 846 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:59,560 businesses and they received a letter from their, from their, 847 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,920 from, from Companies House. And it's, it's explaining the 848 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,640 Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Act. 849 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,000 And they were quite shocked because the letter from 850 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,240 Companies House said Companies House are imposing a new legal 851 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:19,040 requirement that all directors and PSCS, persons with 852 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,280 significant control verify they aren't their identity. 853 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,720 This is being transitioned in grad in in in sort of a gradual 854 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:31,280 way, starting with directors and companies directors are required 855 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,560 to obtain a unique identifier known as Companies House 856 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,240 personal code. The Companies House personal 857 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:40,360 code code will be used when setting up directors on 858 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,360 companies company in corporations and adding 859 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,440 directors to Companies House. Companies House also needs to 860 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,920 gather the company's House personal code for all existing 861 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,360 directorships, this being done via the company's confirmation 862 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,600 statement. Confirmation statement confirms 863 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,440 in part that the list of directors stored at Companies 864 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,800 House is correct. The company's House personal 865 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,960 code for each director will be submitted with the confirmation 866 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,360 statement and the requirement starts for all confirmation 867 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,880 statements submitted on or after the 18th of November 2025. 868 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,520 So this is really rolling out from November the 18th. 869 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,280 We're willing to write to you as our main contact for the company 870 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,040 so, so that you can provide us with the company's house 871 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,640 personal code for all directors of the company. 872 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,920 Without the personal code, all directors will not be able to 873 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,320 submit any confirmation statement on or after the 18th 874 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,800 of November 2025. Now this, you know, they're 875 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,960 saying that it's all for your benefit to stop fraud and, and, 876 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,360 and, and, and all sorts of corruption, but actually it 877 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,360 feeds right into the whole digital ID that we, we 878 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,080 understand, you know the, the reasons behind that. 879 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,000 And then he got a, a, a reply from his accountant because he 880 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,200 gave it to his accountant. And it says The Economic Crime 881 00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,120 and Corporate Transparency Act became law by passing through 882 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,160 both the UK Parliament and the House of Lords, receiving Royal 883 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,360 Assent from King on 26/20/23. This legislative process 884 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,960 involved the government introducing the Bill, followed 885 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,320 by extensive debate, review and amendments by Parliament for its 886 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,480 final approvement and enactment into law. 887 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,680 More importantly, the position procedurally, as a result of the 888 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,880 provisions of the Act is that over the next two years, any 889 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,240 company that has any director who does not have a personal 890 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,960 Companies House identity code will be automatically closed by 891 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,280 Companies House. Currently, company directors 892 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,160 therefore appear to have four choices. 893 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,560 One, do nothing and let all the companies they are director of 894 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,680 be closed. 2 resign their directorships. 3, close the 895 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,360 companies they they're a director of and trade as 896 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,240 individuals, or 4, get their personal ID code and continue as 897 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:53,280 normal. We will obviously support you as 898 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,240 best we can, whatever you choose to do. 899 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,880 So you know, he's between a rock and a hard place, This bloke, 900 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,440 because he's saying I, I don't, I really don't agree to, to, to 901 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,880 doing this, this ID verification. 902 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,040 He, he's quite rightly knows it's feeding into the whole, you 903 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,760 know, digital ID, but he he's, he wants to carry on running his 904 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,000 company. So it's be interesting to see if 905 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,480 anybody else gets in touch in the same position. 906 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,680 And what we really need is a mass non compliance of all this, 907 00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:26,280 obviously with everything to do with digital ID. 908 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,240 Yeah, correct, Sandy. And yes, it's very, it's onerous 909 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:34,840 the speed that this is coming in and it's going to affect any, 910 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,480 any and everybody in business. So it's time to stand up and 911 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,960 challenge it. Ben, let's bring you back in. 912 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,200 And you've been looking at the creation of rage in society. 913 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,000 Yeah, this is all we look at, isn't it? 914 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:51,640 Yes. Rage bait. 915 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,040 Take a deep breath everyone. We're under attack online. 916 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,560 Tread carefully, Give it 24 hours, 48 hours. 917 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,240 Find out what the full story is before you get too triggered by 918 00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:04,160 things like I did yesterday. There was this video going 919 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,000 around and I should say we're going to run it, but it's been 920 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,920 edited and that's important, which I'll come back to. 921 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,640 But let's have a little look at this video over supposedly a 922 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,920 police visit in the West Midlands sometime in the past 923 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,840 few days. OK, what were you? 924 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,360 What was it? Sorry, I I don't like the 925 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,760 camera. You have a body Cam. 926 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,960 I could exhibit that to you. I just don't like the camera. 927 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,920 Really. OK, well, I'm doing this because 928 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,400 this is my own house and I am telling you why I'm. 929 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,520 So I just need to know why. Why? 930 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,720 Why would she? She's basically viewed a post 931 00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:39,600 which is not a an arrestable offence. 932 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,880 Yeah, OK. Happened in May and you'll be 933 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,200 fine. The only thing is, yeah, we need 934 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,040 to seize the phone at this current moment. 935 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,600 Yeah, the phone needs to get seized from us, otherwise we 936 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,040 will escalate this fibre. So. 937 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,960 But with a voluntary. So have you seized anyone else? 938 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,160 Is she the only child you're picking on? 939 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,400 Have you spoken to anyone else? No, We'll, we'll come to the 940 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,040 station now. Do you mind letting her finish 941 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,360 her sentence before? Yeah, have to get further 942 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,800 escalation, unfortunately. That's fine. 943 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,280 We'll come to the snow show now. The phone isn't seized right now 944 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,040 and we're not able to basically get the phone. 945 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:15,480 We'd have to escalate this further, which means your 946 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,800 daughter will get arrested for what are you in the social media 947 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,200 post? Is that I need to go with that 948 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,040 in order to No, absolutely not. Shall we do to prevent 949 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,480 description of evidence? I'm sorry. 950 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,920 That's fine. I would like you to leave now. 951 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,480 I'd like you to leave. OK. 952 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,640 I have nothing more to say to you. 953 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,760 A social media post. I've got nothing more to say. 954 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,200 I'd like you to leave. You've harassed this child 955 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,720 enough. I'd like you to leave. 956 00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:51,880 That's no worries. How do you feel, Brian? 957 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,720 Well, I can imagine that most the triggering thinking people 958 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:59,360 would would be, would be incensed by that. 959 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,080 And what's actually happening. The look of the two police 960 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,680 women, they're not dressed properly. 961 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,640 They are apparently chasing a child. 962 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,480 They're trying to demand a phone, They're invading 963 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,280 somebody's house. There's a lot. 964 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,680 There's a lot of components. So viewing a social media post 965 00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:17,360 and I particularly like the bit right at the start where she 966 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,800 says I don't like having the camera on me, even though they 967 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,840 both stood there with cameras on right. 968 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,040 So that's that's got that's done the rounds on Twitter. 969 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,240 A lot of people getting very annoyed about that actually. 970 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:30,920 But it's not all is not as it seems because it was heavily 971 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,800 edited. And actually all credit, I must 972 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,120 say, to Alex from Thinking Coalition regular guest on the 973 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,800 UK column, who pointed out that this is all a bit odd. 974 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,240 Really, isn't it kind of odd watching everyone filming at the 975 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:45,000 mouth about this clip, which is the 100% predictable reaction, 976 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,800 that nobody seems to wonder why it's heavily edited, which it 977 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,760 was, and what it's all about, giving that viewing things 978 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,280 online isn't an offence. This seems to be a narrative 979 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,400 play. Free speech has become the 980 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,960 battleground issue. That's what Tommy Robinson's 981 00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:02,000 March was about last week, for example. 982 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,360 And then lo and behold, within an hour or two, apparently it's 983 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,440 so. Predictably the heavily edited 984 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,840 viral clip for two police officers asking for access to a 985 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,480 mobile phone is completely misleading. 986 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,200 W Midlands Police come out and say we've seen reports that 987 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,400 we're investigating a child for viewing a social media post. 988 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,440 This is completely false. We're investigating the creation 989 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,960 of a fake social media account which has been used to send 990 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,640 indecent images and apparently what we were looking at there is 991 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,120 an edit down from 10 minutes. Now I don't think for a second 992 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,280 that all of it was was was was perfect and the tone of the 993 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,920 interaction was not good. But actually, all I'm saying is, 994 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,400 and this is a note to self as much as anyone else is, just 995 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,920 take a deep breath and wait and see how things develop before 996 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,560 getting too wound up, because it's entirely possible that was 997 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,280 put there. I pick nefarious actors, shall 998 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,000 we say, in order to get a reaction. 999 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,120 So yeah. Yeah, we all need to be aware of 1000 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,080 this. Yes, Sandy, let's just bring you 1001 00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,920 back because very quickly you had a little bit of an update on 1002 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:06,560 digitalization in the NHS. Yes, I mean it's, it's just an 1003 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:12,320 update really, because last week I, I, I spoke about how NHS 1004 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,480 improvement NHS digital NHS, what's the other One X They've 1005 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,120 they've all amalgamated to bring in this predictive, 1006 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,400 preventative, personalized and participatory medicine. 1007 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,320 So, you know, at its core, it's all working around genetics and 1008 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,520 disease and reaching into the DNA of every, every person, but 1009 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,720 also gathering the data of your fitness and everything else that 1010 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,120 goes with it. Now what they've, they've done 1011 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,560 recently is they've, they've employed the, the help from 1012 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:48,360 companies like Anima and Anima. It's a digital triage and 1013 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,880 workflow management platform that's been rolled about across 1014 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,880 the GP practices in the UK. And its function is to 1015 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,760 streamline how patient requests are received, prioritised and, 1016 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,320 and managed. So they will be collecting all 1017 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,840 your data for your GP surgery. Now Anima, I own a huge company, 1018 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,600 a huge corporation. It was founded in 2021 by 1019 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:16,400 Shanika Sharma, ex McKinsey and Sean Pang, ex Palantir Engineer. 1020 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,560 So that you know, we know what they're, what they're up to. 1021 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,760 But why I'm coming back to this is that one of our our viewers 1022 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,960 went into her local GP service to register. 1023 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,440 She's going through some health problems and she went to just 1024 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,000 register with her GP as normal and they wouldn't let her. 1025 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,840 They said you have to do it through Anima. 1026 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,520 And she, she said, well, I don't know who anima are. 1027 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,120 And she did a quick search I think and had a look and she 1028 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:48,000 said, no, why would I, Why would I share my personal data with a 1029 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,200 third party? I, I share my, my data with my 1030 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,760 GP And she refused. And it caused a big stir in the, 1031 00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,680 in the, in the, in the surgery. And they, they, they eventually 1032 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,160 they were arguing with her for quite a long time and eventually 1033 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,680 they gave up and they allowed her to. 1034 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,120 To do her own registration through the GP surgery. 1035 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,480 So this is a lesson to all of us to if we don't want to go along 1036 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,560 with all this nonsense, we can refuse. 1037 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,360 Just say no. Sandy Brilliant. 1038 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,280 That's absolutely right. And if more people did that, 1039 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,240 that would be excellent. People can also make a 1040 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,560 difference by supporting people who are doing the right thing. 1041 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,520 And both the lady and the gentleman that spoke out in the 1042 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,720 House of Lords against the Assisted Dying Bill, they need 1043 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,480 your support. They need our support because if 1044 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:45,320 they're heading down the right path, knowing that large numbers 1045 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,080 of people are supporting, what are they doing is going to 1046 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,480 increase their confidence and they're going to do more and 1047 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,280 bring more people on board. So if you're thinking what can I 1048 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,880 do, two options there. One is say no when you get the 1049 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,600 opportunity and the other one is to support people who are doing 1050 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,640 the right thing. Now we did promise with a little 1051 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,640 bit of uplifting black humour we would end on having a little 1052 01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:14,160 look at BBC Shorts. This is just one that caught my 1053 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,960 eye. Let's have a look at the BBC 1054 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,040 giving the public serious information. 1055 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,480 I went to San Francisco, Silicon Valley and I, I shadowed this 1056 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,120 incredible founder and just spent all day sort of walking 1057 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,720 around in his meetings, his hands on. 1058 01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,680 And it was fascinating how quick decisions are made and actioned. 1059 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,160 And you know, what impact that's going to have in tech. 1060 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:38,760 You know, it's, it's quite profound. 1061 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,880 And so it was really interesting. 1062 01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,160 Whitney is a legendary entrepreneur. 1063 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,520 She truly helped completely change the world of dating apps. 1064 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,600 Knowing what you know now about them behind the scenes, do you 1065 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,400 see them as a force for good or the opposite or in in the 1066 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,600 middle? Well, I see them as a my brother 1067 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:59,640 met his wife on a dating app. So so I'll be forever grateful 1068 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,920 for my sister-in-law, Stacy. And also what Winnie did was so 1069 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,800 key because she re engineered these dating apps to put women 1070 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,840 in the driver's seat, you know, empower and protect women. 1071 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,400 So you know that is a definitely a force for good. 1072 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,360 Well, there we are. I don't know what our audience 1073 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,280 thinks of this, but of course this is dross to be pumped into 1074 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,200 the heads of youngsters, young teenagers. 1075 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:27,040 I think it relates to an article which the BBC posted back in 1076 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,480 2023. Whitney Wolf heard how the 1077 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,120 Bumble boss changed the dating scene, and apparently this has 1078 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,720 changed the dating scene to make it much better for women. 1079 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,480 Interestingly enough, if you look at information on the 1080 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,400 dating scene online, particularly in the States, 1081 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,040 women are having more and more more difficulty finding a male 1082 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,280 partner because the men are showing away from the dating 1083 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:55,480 apps and the dating scenes because of the way the women are 1084 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,120 behaving and looking for a male partner. 1085 01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,840 And I think it'll be very interesting to get into what's 1086 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,760 actually happening between men and women in more detail in 1087 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:11,120 forthcoming not only UK column news, but some of our interviews 1088 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,560 because it's a very hot topic. But there we are, a giggly end 1089 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,480 to the news provided by the BBC. Ben, thank you very much for 1090 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,560 joining me. Sandy, huge thank you. 1091 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,240 And thank you for that very concise update on the dangers of 1092 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,560 the assisted dying. Bill. 1093 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,880 Thank you to everybody who's joined us today. 1094 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,880 We must end there. If you're a member of UK column, 1095 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,080 join us for UK column extra shortly. 1096 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:35,560 See you then. Bye bye.